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Source: Russian bombers imitated striking US missile defense targets

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Source: Russian bombers imitated striking US missile defense targetsRussian strategic bombers imitated striking cruise missiles at a number of US missile defense targets off the coast of Japan, the Washington Free Beacon reported on Friday, citing US military sources.


The incidents were recorded by American intelligence-gathering systems located in the region in February, but even at the Pentagon they became known only now, writes publication author Bill Hertz, known for his ties to the special services and the US Department of Defense.

According to this information, the February Tu-22M 26 bomber imitated the launch of a cruise missile on a destroyer of the US Navy, equipped with the Aegis missile defense system, off the coast of Japan.

Another incident, according to sources, occurred on February 27. Tu-22M has worked striking a cruise missile at a missile defense facility in Japan. The publication reminds that in the north of Japan there is an American X-band missile defense radar.

Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information.

Interfax does not have a comment on these messages from the Russian military department.
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  1. esaul
    esaul April 6 2013 08: 44 New
    36
    What, so directly ours said: “They simulated attacks on American missile defense facilities?”
    Ooh! I HAVE DOUBT however ...! I understand that the attacks of strategists against the pirate aircraft carriers of Somalia were imitated, and the terrorists caught up with the defenselessness with defenselessness. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, Cho embarrassed? If it was officially declared - “Against ABM,” it means they made it clear - “Are you tired of your Aegis! Flicker-flicker here ..."
    1. LeXXSkAt
      April 6 2013 08: 58 New
      11
      I don’t understand the fool only one thing. Well, why imitate? There is no reason, frank provocation, too ... Is it not a duck ento? Although I would like to be really scared ... (sorry fathers for punctuation, I just want to write what I think ...)
      1. Mitek
        Mitek April 6 2013 09: 17 New
        20
        LeXXSkAt as a source of information written Amerov Internet publication. You were right, there was no reason, but there was no blow. There was an ordinary study. I have a counter question, but is there a reason for deploying missile defense and intelligence infrastructure around Russia? In general, there were more likely scouts. Such targets are attacked by a group.
        1. LeXXSkAt
          April 6 2013 09: 26 New
          +2
          Well, as if I were just quoting .... I myself have nothing to do with flyers, so I wanted to find out how realistic ....
          1. vezunchik
            vezunchik April 6 2013 13: 59 New
            +6
            A detachment of Pacific Fleet ships with a large anti-submarine ship / BPC / Admiral Panteleev will perform a number of combat training missions in the Mediterranean as part of the inter-naval group of the Navy. One of the main points of the long-distance trip plan for the BDK detachments “Admiral Nevelsky” and “Peresvet” will be the delivery of goods to Syrian Tartus in the second half of May, ”the source said.

            Since the Pacific Fleet forces did not participate in the January inter-naval exercises of the Navy in the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas, it was decided to postpone their combat interaction with groups of ships of other fleets within the framework of the permanent operational formation in the Mediterranean Sea for the summer period, a source at the General Headquarters explained.

            A detachment of Pacific Fleet ships embarked on a long voyage from Vladivostok on March 19 to carry out combat service tasks in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

            “The reserve of the detachment also included the Oslyabya BDK, whose participation in the ocean voyage was not required,” the source noted. According to him, in addition to the Syrian Tartus, Russian ships will call at the ports of a number of other states in the region, including Vietnam and Iran.

            According to the Office of the Press Service and Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a detachment of Pacific Fleet ships consisting of Admiral Levchenko, BDK Admiral Nevelsky and Peresvet, the Fotiy Krylov ocean rescuer, and the Pechenga sea tanker were heading towards Suez channel, its passage through the channel is scheduled for mid-May.
            1. TekhnarMAF
              TekhnarMAF April 6 2013 15: 22 New
              +4
              Question. Is TOFE BOD Levchenko? In the back rows are being pulled!
            2. alexng
              alexng April 7 2013 00: 53 New
              0
              Probably in this way they deliver something interesting to Syria just in case, if they suddenly decide to arrange or land a NATO force without a flight zone. I do not think that ours is not preparing any surprise for the arrogant Saxons in this country.
        2. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 12: 21 New
          21
          Quote: Mitek
          In general, there were more likely scouts. Such targets are attacked by a group.


          There is a mature idea in your koment, that's just .... the scout never attacks the target, because his task is to carry out additional reconnaissance of the target before hitting the strike group.
          It is embarrassing another that amero-yups freely detect the operating frequencies of airborne PNA and can determine the operating frequencies of the PMG missile station (it is clear that they operate at training frequencies) but still.
          But as for tactical missile launches, it has always been so everywhere and for the “target”, you can take any object, even a marine one, even a land one.
          That's just how "miraculous" this way with the help of PNA it was possible to "isolate" practically no radar object in the form of a radar ... it's just .. fiction wassat



          Well, about the 3 missiles ... only at the SHOW on static, and sometimes in the transportation version (empty) soldier

          1. stranik72
            stranik72 April 6 2013 16: 23 New
            13
            I think that all the frequencies at which our stations work, TU-95, Tu-22, Tu-160, as well as on the MiG-29, SU-27, MiG-31 and even the REB-e air defense and much they know another, all these machines and radiators remained in Ukraine, 31 were in Kazakhstan, etc., and we have full of traitors. Replacing these stations was not as far as I know and is not planned, so in this regard, not everything is gut. .
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 16: 59 New
              10
              Quote: stranik72
              I think that all the frequencies at which our stations work


              This is not entirely true, because the range of tuning of the magnetron frequencies is very large and in .. "everyday" work completely different ranges are used. although after a certain period of time these ranges will be .. "studied".

              And so, in principle .. everything is true +! But the enemy will need a large concentration of electronic warfare and electronic warfare, which also become the object of attack!

              Here, just such a criterion “as-needed outfit of forces and means” just pops up, but with this .. “case” we have after “re-shaping” oh how .. request
            2. ekzorsist
              ekzorsist April 6 2013 18: 31 New
              +3
              That's about the Kazakhs, you are probably very - very right .... these will not be sold for a smell of tobacco ... they also need a tanga nada ...
              1. Petropavlovsk
                Petropavlovsk April 8 2013 17: 53 New
                0
                Quote: ekzorsist
                That's about the Kazakhs, you are probably very - very right .... these will not be sold for a smell of tobacco ... they also need a tanga nada ...

                Not ashamed, huh? Why are you talking about Kazakhs? You yourself are a traitor.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 6 2013 12: 33 New
          +7
          There is a reason. Amers always have a reason for everything. It’s a shame that a Russian plane imitated a blow when it’s necessary to shove some kind of nasty option for cutting the budget ....
          1. VAF
            VAF April 6 2013 12: 43 New
            15
            Quote: Geisenberg
            There is a reason. Amers always have a reason for everything.


            I agree, +! Moreover, with the current reduction in Amer’s military budget .. soon, our flights in a circle will be considered an exercise in delivering missile strikes on everything that they have!

            That's just for fellow the news .. "modestly" keep silent "ours, that in Ryazan .. the" newly-repaired Tu-95MS "flown" on the ground, which flew after CWR only 24 hours.
            Aircraft board number 21 can not be restored ....... i.e. everyone stupidly waited and looked .. as he smokes, and then burns.
            And these were scheduled flights, all the forces on duty at Tov !!!
            And here you are "arguing" about omnipotence, yes we are them, but now them .....!

            Here he is on a test flight back in Taganrog in December 2012 crying



            And according to the FACT-MINUS one of the combat-ready Tu-95MS .... these are ... "pies with kittens"!
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 6 2013 12: 48 New
              +3
              Hello, Sergey. For such a trial must be given.
              1. VAF
                VAF April 6 2013 13: 16 New
                11
                Quote: Wedmak
                Hello, Sergey. For such a trial must be given.


                Hi Denis! Yeah, situyuyevina is not pleasant ... here you remember the answer to that argument .. when everything fellow about the impact of repairs to aircraft factories .....
                And the plane is already years old. belay ....... 1982 release.

                Here is a photo of the fully front cockpit .... or rather, what remains after the fire

                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak April 6 2013 13: 19 New
                  +7
                  Yes, here’s the smoke for you ... How was it taken from the repair then? Thoughts of sabotage creep in.
                  1. VAF
                    VAF April 6 2013 14: 15 New
                    12
                    Quote: Wedmak
                    How was it taken from the repair then?


                    How was it taken? As always ... after all, acceptance is carried out only within the limits of checking the operability and functioning of all systems, but without opening the panels, but in those compartment you will look .. just what? all the blocks are in place. fixed. the connectors are docked, nothing hangs, etc ... that's the whole acceptance, but here's the thing ... inside .... it can only show an “autopsy”.
                    That crap "crap" .. after a period of time.
                    You would know what the technical staff says in Engels, after the "arrival" of swans from Kazan ...... out of 5 words, 7 mats ..... months later .. "restore" after .. "high-quality "repair.
                    Yes, and not only for Swans ... for all equipment so ....... repair .. it is .. repair .. in theory one thing, but in practice .......!
                    Therefore, flights are always planned .. first at the factory, and then upon arrival at the unit .... MANDATORY!
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 26 New
                      +1
                      Sergey, and your personal opinion: where and how to repair aircraft? Briefly at least.
                      1. VAF
                        VAF April 6 2013 16: 06 New
                        +5
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        and your personal opinion: where and how to repair aircraft? Briefly at least.


                        Denis, but we discussed this topic a month ago, when the idea was first voiced to take away the repair functions and give them .. to aircraft builders!
                        Then I was categorically against .. since repairmen and aircraft builders are ... in general, different specifics!
                        The equipment should be repaired at specialized factories that we still have, but the truth is that there are already no staff there ... ala ..... because. after the transition to FSUEs and the liquidation of LISs, practically .... salaries fell and the people ... "ran" to free bread!
                    2. zvereok
                      zvereok April 6 2013 19: 06 New
                      +1
                      This, and the factories do not provide a guarantee? For example, in our factory, the former commander of a unit, he will shove the materials for the supplier to the supplier for the revealed fraud. And what is interesting is changing and money is being returned.
                  2. Simon
                    Simon April 6 2013 17: 27 New
                    0
                    Did you carry out the investigation?
                2. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  Alexey Prikazchikov April 6 2013 14: 25 New
                  +1
                  Here is a photo of the fully front cockpit .... or rather, what remains after the fire

                  You won’t look without tears. And as I understand it, it is not possible to restore it?
                  1. VAF
                    VAF April 6 2013 14: 42 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                    And as I understand it, it is not possible to restore it?


                    The preliminary findings of the Commission of the Moscow Region and the KB .... are not recognized as meaningful, because in fact, you need to put all the completely new "stuffing" (for all systems) and the price .. "climbs out" like a practically new plane (only without engines and screws)!
                    1. Wedmak
                      Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 30 New
                      +5
                      Well, since everything is so bad, maybe ... twist the engines, fix the lining, paint, put the breadboard models and the museum!
                      I wonder if it is possible to arrange excursions from the inside. Every boy dreams of sitting at the helm of such an airplane. Not to cut everything ....
                      1. VAF
                        VAF April 6 2013 16: 09 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        maybe ... twist the engines, fix the lining, paint, put the breadboard models and the museum!


                        So most likely it will be .. they’ll take off everything “alive” (engines, screws, vsu, any piping, tanks, pumps, etc. etc.), but here’s a monument recourse there are already so many everywhere that ... to put ... nowhere!
                        Moreover, in Diaghilevo there are already monuments of the Tu-95s in the museum!
                      2. Wedmak
                        Wedmak April 6 2013 16: 12 New
                        +1
                        In the context of the supply. This is hardly where there is. Moreover, you get two halves.
                      3. VAF
                        VAF April 6 2013 17: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Wedmak
                        In the context of the supply.


                        In the context of all this .. in the sense that in all pulp and paper circuits and PLCs of all kinds of aviation there are full-scale stands of all systems, including engines and everything ... in the context! drinks
                  2. SASCHAmIXEEW
                    SASCHAmIXEEW April 6 2013 16: 44 New
                    +2
                    There is an opinion that aggregates cannot be put on board from emergency vehicles, there is a "memory of the accident" a bad omen !!! If memory serves, in mymoy the ban was even for installation, even the hardware removed from the units, if only it went to the "national economy"!
                  3. VAF
                    VAF April 6 2013 17: 05 New
                    +3
                    Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
                    It is believed that aggregates cannot be put on board from emergency vehicles, there is a "memory of the accident" a bad omen !!


                    There is such a belief ... but no more than ...... they put everything and how. and even more so after the car CWR!

                    Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW
                    If memory serves, in mymoy the ban was even for installation, even the hardware removed from the units, if only it went to the "national economy"!


                    The memory doesn’t change at all, but ... it was before .. when there was no a priori deficiency in spare parts, but now ...... all the input goes ... well, to the "national2 economy and to .." personal "the same needs! +! drinks
              2. zvereok
                zvereok April 6 2013 19: 08 New
                0
                For parts(((...

                Below:
                "
                There is an opinion that aggregates cannot be put on board from emergency vehicles, there is a "memory of the accident" a bad omen !!! If memory serves, in mymoy the ban was even for installation, even the hardware removed from the units, if only it went to the "national economy"!
                "
            2. Simon
              Simon April 6 2013 17: 30 New
              +2
              It’s a pity, we lose good equipment due to lack of care and sloppiness.
              1. zvereok
                zvereok April 6 2013 19: 12 New
                +1
                It's a shame not so much that we lose (although this too), a shame that there is no responsibility.
          2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 18 New
            0
            Probably washed, the search went out, it happens ........
      2. 755962
        755962 April 6 2013 12: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: vaf
        And according to the FACTU-MINUS one of the combat-ready Tu-95MS

        Hello hello .. I AM SHOCKED !!! What the .... I read the news and eyes on the forehead !!
        In Ryazan, the Tu-95 bomber, just repaired for 300 million, was “secretly” burnt


        http://www.newsru.com/russia/06apr2013/tu95.html

        MATYUGOV DOES NOT ENOUGH
        1. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 13: 22 New
          +3
          Quote: 755962
          In Ryazan, the Tu-95 bomber, just repaired for 300 million, was “secretly” burnt


          Hi, Zhenya ..... What can I say ... they wanted to "wipe" as always .. but ...... the hat with "smoke" did not pass .... but the very fact of the work of firemen ..... kills completely!

          Well, he managed to fly in 24 hours, and was commissioned on December 28, 2012!
          1. 755962
            755962 April 6 2013 13: 32 New
            +2
            So now and don’t find the ends! They will find the switchman as always for excuses. Conclusions ... And what conclusions? Eh .... "21"I'm sorry ...
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 14: 21 New
              +3
              Quote: 755962
              So now and do not find the ends!


              They will find .... all the more there is a refusal .. the truth .. they describe in the media .. all through one place .. according to this article, the alternators failed after switching to on-board power and this is already on the executive belay , this process always happens after starting the engines ... and it turns out that they are on 2 APU generators ... "sawed" for preliminary and executive ??? Nonsense.....
              And if there is a failure in the power system by any constant or variable .. then right away ... all systems and inertial and navigation systems “fly” ... so the departure is delayed anyway .. if not .. “urgent” and you can reinstall according to the ZK, but it still needs 15 minutes to stand still, and then the accuracy will be lame then .. what .. for combat work and in the SMU .. better than that .. solid .. "smut"!
          2. NickitaDembelnulsa
            NickitaDembelnulsa April 7 2013 15: 19 New
            0
            Judging by the photo: Damage is not very critical. And we were told that there is no sense in Restoring! who to believe? And most importantly: For repair or For scrap?
            1. NickitaDembelnulsa
              NickitaDembelnulsa April 7 2013 15: 41 New
              0
              Replace the nose can? Well, if this is impossible, you need to build a new one. Despite the complexity and cost.
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 19 New
          +2
          It burned clearly and the news about it is a secret ... No words ..... some gestures ....
      3. Mcsim
        Mcsim April 6 2013 13: 01 New
        0
        Here is more detailed about this: http://news.mail.ru/incident/12633791/?frommail=1
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 6 2013 13: 16 New
          +1
          And the photos are presented from somewhere ....



      4. carver
        carver April 8 2013 11: 18 New
        0
        They reported already, in any case, I saw this info.
    2. mch1950
      mch1950 April 6 2013 15: 37 New
      0
      Whether or not it was, this, in my opinion, is secondary, primary to keep the people on their toes.
  2. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 6 2013 16: 27 New
    +5
    Quote: Mitek
    Is there a reason for deploying missile defense and reconnaissance around Russia?

    I think there is. Bay of Peter the Great - ZRBD of our strategists. So, the active (accelerating) section of the ICBM trajectory with rpkSN are located in close proximity to the positions of the missile defense batteries located on the Japanese islands. During the threatened period, amers will catch up here with EM or CD with Aegis. Therefore, their destruction will become part of the fleet operation to ensure the implementation of the BR by strategists.
  • ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 April 6 2013 15: 13 New
    0
    And what is the incident I do not understand ???
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 31 New
      +4
      What is it !? Burned out! Strategist! There are so few of them left, and here is such a time .. And before PAK YES still saw and saw.
    2. VAF
      VAF April 6 2013 15: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: ramzes1776
      And what is the incident I do not understand ???


      Go up and read three comments above .. I already wrote ..... the preliminary reason is the failure of the generators for a "change", but as a result of that ... there can be many reasons!
      1. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 April 8 2013 10: 30 New
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Another incident, according to sources, occurred on February 27. The Tu-22M has completed a cruise missile strike on a missile defense facility in Japan.

        I'm talking about this so-called "incident."
  • Garrin
    Garrin April 6 2013 18: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: LeXXSkAt
    I don’t understand the fool only one thing. Well, why imitate? There is no reason, frank provocation, too ... Is it not a duck ento? Although I would like to be really scared ... (sorry fathers for punctuation, I just want to write what I think ...)

    Yes, these, any flight for simulating a strike are accepted. They believe that only us can be provoked.
  • vadimus
    vadimus April 6 2013 10: 32 New
    0
    Nekhai are afraid of stsuki! And they know their place!
  • Kolya
    Kolya April 6 2013 10: 50 New
    +8
    The usual practice of fairy tales created is to explain why the Pentagon spends trillions of dollars of American taxpayers. Everyone in the world threatens the West and their democracy.
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution April 6 2013 11: 44 New
    +1
    You just need to say, these exercises are aimed at protecting against the Iranian nuclear threat, for the benefit of the United States and the whole world.)
    1. zanoza
      zanoza April 6 2013 12: 15 New
      0
      "The Russians are coming (flying)!" lol

      This fear in the Americans, apparently, is already at the genetic level fool
  • Genur
    Genur April 6 2013 14: 58 New
    -1
    Bombers checked the automation of laser weapon guidance. Something American intelligence does not finish lol
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 16: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: Genur

      Bombers checked the automatic guidance of laser weapons.

      Where such infa? Explain. Or as usual: "I feel it in my gut ..."
  • Joker
    Joker April 6 2013 16: 45 New
    0
    Maybe they imitated, they don’t talk about everything to us, maybe our tricky plans of the Americans fell into our hands, and we decided to hint at them in this way.
    1. Alex45
      Alex45 April 6 2013 21: 23 New
      +2
      And why panic? Well, it burned down due to problems with the power supply, the main thing is that it is not in the air and the crew was not injured. This is the fact that there are few “strategists” in our country, and while they are not replenished, this is insulting. If you compare with the accidents of military aircraft in recent years, then Tu is better than the others, despite its age. Well, there are emergency situations regardless of quality and the number of checks.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 6 2013 21: 48 New
        +1
        Yes, no one, it seems, is not panicking, everything is simple: strategic aviation is one of the tips of our "magic needle" against the hostile forces of the West. And due to the situation and situation in the Russian Air Force over the past decades, each "board" counts, on the weight of gold of the highest standard. And here, you can even say so under the current conditions, the new "strategist" burned out ....... Thank God on take-off, not in heaven. All the pilots are alive, but the ship is gone. That's all the bitterness of this incident. THIS is my purely (as A. Platonov wrote in his Chevengur) opinion. In short, it’s good if the command takes care of the proper equipment and implementation of the freelance algorithms of the support services, it’s bad that the sun still shines, but we have one “Bear” NO
        Quote: Alex45
        Well, there are emergency situations
        + PE, less of us such PE.
  • Dmitry_24rus
    Dmitry_24rus April 6 2013 21: 35 New
    0
    So what? News of a sucker from a finger. NORMAL WORK (and hopefully constant) is in the army. Keep it up.
  • albert
    albert April 6 2013 08: 47 New
    +2
    Fear has big eyes. Probably just scouts flew. To attack important targets, the Tu-22m are used in a group.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak April 6 2013 08: 48 New
    +3
    Another source: What a pity that I just imitated.
    What a cheap provocation?
  • svp67
    svp67 April 6 2013 08: 49 New
    +2
    Our planes carried out the assigned training tasks, and everything else is "speculation" ... And this "news" is clearly on the same line with the "hype" around the "nuclear missile threat" of the DPRK, and the only goal is to knock out money for the deployment of a new missile defense system .
  • omsbon
    omsbon April 6 2013 08: 50 New
    +1
    If true, then it’s nice, and if not true, then the amers themselves fantasize all sorts of horrors!
  • Gregazov
    Gregazov April 6 2013 08: 55 New
    +9
    This is an ordinary study. Such things - access to the area of ​​the alleged launch of cruise missiles were commonplace in the USSR Air Force. For example, the pilots of Semipalatinsk through the North Pole at least once a month went to the coast of Canada in the proposed launch area. The launch area was in neutral waters. No incident - just academic work. In addition to the regiments of Semipalatinsk in Long-Range Aviation, there were still regiments, so our doves of the world hung over the coast of North America almost every day.
    1. eagle11
      eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 05 New
      0
      For the guys from KSU, this is also almost an everyday job. When there was a NAR, the "giant spear" was generally practiced, and we learned about it after a certain time, which was very scary.
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 25 New
      0
      There are still real comments on the site ....... ++++
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus April 6 2013 08: 57 New
    +4
    All is correct. Not all the time at home "on cats" to train. And our training and potential "partners" warning. And they will deploy the missile defense system without it.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 16: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: lewerlin53rus
      Not all the time at home "on the cats" to train.

      Rekongnostsirovka called. Each crew, according to the memoirs of his father, went to the terra waters of Japan and studied. The sky flew a million to a million, and returned nothing is visible - fog, or a charge - and the tanks are empty ... Yes ...
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta April 6 2013 09: 03 New
    +3
    Well, the crew had a training launch, well, I looked at how the enemy ship looks on the screen of the on-board radar and what? And wow .. what? Nothing, sometimes useful. But the Air Force got a couple more trained crews! By the way, if you let the Tu-22m into the launch distance, no missile defense will not help !!! The end is guaranteed!
    1. LeXXSkAt
      April 6 2013 09: 14 New
      +2
      It’s just not clear what the hell 22 worked ... I’m an earthen slider, but Dad called other machines to work about such objects .... (According to comments like there are flyers .. Dad flew the MIG-25br)
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 6 2013 09: 31 New
        +2
        Strange your dad was telling ... Can they be mixed up? It is on such objects that the 22nd work. Moreover, the group.
        1. LeXXSkAt
          April 6 2013 09: 42 New
          +1
          Well, unfortunately, I was not the best son, and I quarreled with Dad ... that's why I am confusing ... It seemed to me (though this is the speculation of a tankman) that such assaults or bombers like su-34 should go for such work .... I therefore asked sorry specialists if faq (
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak April 6 2013 10: 22 New
            +2
            You, as a tanker, have named your main flying enemies. smile Well, helicopters and ATGMs still, but this is not about them. Distances at sea are large, so attack aircraft (Su-25) and front-line bombers (Su-24/34) are usually not poked into the sea. They work more on the earth. But the Tu-22M / M2 / M3 is already heavy long-range aviation. Multimode, supersonic long-range missile bomber.
            The Americans are still afraid of him.
            1. LeXXSkAt
              April 6 2013 10: 30 New
              +2
              Thank. It became a little clearer .... And then, recently, instead of interpreting, take it and do it (
    2. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2013 10: 09 New
      +2
      I support, it’s a pity that only these are “solitary” “Backfires”, and not as part of a unit, squadron, regiment ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 6 2013 13: 43 New
        +1
        Well, I heard that in the 70s several regiments flew into the Mediterranean Sea, and even Tu-16 NATO radars were jammed. 300 missiles at a time. It’s a pity there are no films about those cases, there’s no documentary chronicles in the public domain. Our Mediterranean squadron the bula is strong and an air component. And the pilot said that he was flying with the realization that if someone was hit, the rest would break through to the target and the task would be completed.
  • Romn
    Romn April 6 2013 09: 05 New
    +5
    The campaign is another mulberry in American newspapers, to once again show how bad this Russia is, and to confirm the decision that it is necessary to deploy missile defense and air defense in the Pacific region!
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 6 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    Hello everyone! "Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information."

    "Interfax" does not have a comment on these reports from the Russian military. "
    that is, maybe it’s just a “duck”, if not a duck, then the Russian side will probably answer that these are just scheduled flights.
    1. LeXXSkAt
      April 6 2013 09: 22 New
      +2
      Damn .... I’m tormented by the question ... If it really was like n ...... you realized that this was not just a planned flight, but an imitation of a launch ....? It’s one thing, they flew nearby (well, even at a distance of launching missiles), and another recorded capture of the target ... If the enemy is aware that he is in sight, then ent is not buzzing ...
    2. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 6 2013 09: 28 New
      +5
      Quote: evgenii67
      Ie maybe just a "duck"

      why immediately "duck", here is the source, the American site reebeacon.com/russian-bomber-roulette/ there are comments by American figures. If you have a Google Chrome browser, it will translate into Russian and read it.

      "Russia continues to conduct an aggressive offensive of training missiles in the Pacific against the United States and NATO Allied Forces," McKerney said.

      "We need to understand that they look at the" reboots "differently than we do," said a retired three-star general who once commanded forces in Alaska. "They look at it as restoring the former positions of the USSR as a superpower while this administration is moving towards unilateral disarmament."

      Eric Edelman, Under Secretary of Defense for Political Affairs at the George W. Bush Administration, said it was difficult to assess why the Russians had simulated the strike.

      Edelman said the practice of runs could be "demonstrations of continued opposition in Russia and fanned their hostility towards the US missile defense deployment around the world."

      and so on.
      1. LeXXSkAt
        April 6 2013 09: 32 New
        +3
        So before hanging up I checked it 5 times ... But as above and wrote where did our "friends" get info for what exactly is an attack, and not just a pass by?
        1. sergey32
          sergey32 April 6 2013 10: 38 New
          +1
          Amers must have included their logic. Why did our kerosene burn so much just for the ride?
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 6 2013 09: 16 New
    -4
    sorry imitated
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 6 2013 15: 30 New
      +8
      Are you all so anxious to become nuclear ashes with the whole world?
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 17: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: Ragnarek

      sorry imitated

      Nikolay! Popular wisdom, collected in proverbs, says: "A thin world is better than a good quarrel." Especially for our people, who laid so many lives in World War II. I am sure that if the amers were using a fascist armored fist, and not the Japanese, they would have a slightly different attitude to the war.
  • spymaster
    spymaster April 6 2013 09: 38 New
    +1
    Uplifting news)
  • Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 6 2013 10: 32 New
    +1
    They imitate, for now, and do it right ... !!! We also need an imitation in Washington, so that we do not consider ourselves invulnerable and untouchable ... It's time to put these insoles in a stall. The more imitations, the more they will respect. !!!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 17: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Gorchakov
      I still need an imitation of Washington, so that they would not consider themselves invulnerable and untouchable ... It's time to put these insolent stallions.

      The Navy does it periodically. By order of the GSH (for multipurpose), our submarines periodically float at the terra waters of amers. They have all the 3 miles. And scare yachts under the striped flag ... there are no PLO ships nearby: boats not 100% are tracked by amers ... So a sobering shower is sometimes the way.
  • awerkiev
    awerkiev April 6 2013 10: 36 New
    0
    type indicated their weaknesses ?!
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      No, indicated potential goals. So that the rolls do not relax.
  • family
    family tree April 6 2013 10: 36 New
    +5
    Eric Edelman, Under Secretary of Defense for Political Affairs at the George W. Bush Administration, said it was difficult to assess why the Russians had simulated the strike.
    That is, the deputy defense minister, is not Copenhagen in matters of defense? Although, not surprisingly, their MO, it’s high time to rename the Ministry of Attack
  • Sader
    Sader April 6 2013 11: 10 New
    -2
    as I understand it was an imitation of approach to the target
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 6 2013 11: 21 New
    -2
    Here amers probably put in their pants from fear! And now they are pretending to be in the know, everything was under control).
  • Doctor Evil
    Doctor Evil April 6 2013 11: 40 New
    +3
    How could a single Tu-22 simulate a missile attack on a destroyer? He lay down on a combat course and turned on the sight? Did “Aegis” record the fact / parameters of the “attack"? Did the pilots contact the destroyer on the international channel and thank them for the joint exercises, is the recording of the negotiations with the ship and ground control attached? If not, then the American Internet newspaper will give a damn.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 11: 44 New
      +5
      Add options: 1) Fantasy of Americans 2) Panic of Americans 3) Give us more money, otherwise bad Russians will soon be able to break up AUG with one plane!
      1. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil April 6 2013 16: 11 New
        +2
        The third option is the most relevant in my opinion. And comrade Kim Jong-un is rattling weapons on the topic like that. Have you already reached an agreement with him at the Pentagon?
      2. lazy
        lazy April 11 2013 19: 45 New
        0
        I vote for version 3 of "give money"
    2. VAF
      VAF April 6 2013 12: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: Dr. Evil
      How could a single Tu-22 simulate a missile attack on a destroyer?


      Elementary! Everything is in order of "combat training"!

      Quote: Dr. Evil
      He lay down on a combat course and turned on the scope?


      In peacetime, the PNA airborne locator operates in a semicircular or sector-wide mode continuously, because self-driving (in fashion-navigation) is carried out, but here's how to determine the work of a rocket locator .. here it is .. a question! wink
      1. eagle11
        eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 09 New
        +1
        Of course, he could not imitate before attacking, it was necessary to know its exact coordinates, but such coordinated actions (reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, flight planning taking into account reconnaissance data) on real VSIG ships are no longer included in the "training" program.
        1. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 15: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: eagle11
          Of course, he could not imitate before attacking, you need to know his exact coordinates,


          If you are for missiles of the X-55 family, then here is not true, because. the coordinates of the target can be entered promptly after detecting the target and its "decryption"!

          Here we are talking about Tu-22M3 and X-22 missiles .. for this you need to know the target search area presumably, and then .. just the same .. quickly and target detection, its classification, determination of coordinates and their entry into the NK- 45 for further target designation of the PMG rocket station.



          Quote: eagle11
          but such coordinated actions (reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, flight planning, taking into account reconnaissance data) on the real ships of the IVIG are no longer included in the “training” program.
          Reply Citiro


          Not true ... everything comes in and everything is being prepared, though not in those .. "volumes", and even then ... more theory than practice .. since ..materials already ... very little crying

          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 38 New
            +1
            What can I say, it means there are, some other Russian Air Force, where the ACIG ships attack, not the ones I serve in :)
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 16: 14 New
              +1
              Quote: eagle11
              it means there are some other air forces of the Russian Federation where the SSIG ships attack, not those in which I serve


              Well, what would I need to talk about this topic .. where do you serve bully
              Although the places ... on the fingers of one hand can be counted where there are .. flying and living Tu-22M3 with .. combat-ready crews! drinks

          2. eagle11
            eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 46 New
            +1
            I remember how long and stubbornly they searched for the AUG, with a heart in the shape of “Kitty Hawk”, found, took a picture, but (information for reflection), a sniper was used to complete the task, he was put on duty, reconnaissance of the Far East and Pacific Fleet, helped as much as possible .. And then find the destroyer in the sea ...
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 16: 18 New
              +3
              Quote: eagle11
              And then find the destroyer in the sea ...


              Not so "long" ..... the 52nd regiment, as part of a pair ... in the Black Sea .. "found !, as you say ... measures .. in 1,5 hours! soldier

              And no problems ... the main thing is to know the area .. it is clear that the Black "puddle" is not the ocean, but ..... wink

          3. eagle11
            eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 56 New
            +1
            I imagine the reaction of the destroyer to carry out an attack in neutral waters, and the Standard missile launcher can be got in the belly, especially using the X-22, it is not always possible to realize the maximum launch range, there are many factors.
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 16: 24 New
              +1
              Quote: eagle11
              I represent the reaction of the destroyer to carry out an attack in neutral waters, and the Standard missile launcher can be obtained in the belly, especially using the X-22


              Well, for this, your Standard should at least .. fly to the missile carrier lol

              After all, it’s “stupid” to carry out launches from a low altitude, when with a large one you can freely (theoretically) start a launch from D 320-340 km!

              Quote: eagle11
              it is not always possible to realize the maximum launch range, there are many factors.


              Here I agree completely, +!

              Quote: eagle11
              especially using the X-22


              And what rockets can you still suggest for the destruction of ships with the Tu-22M3 belay

              1. eagle11
                eagle11 April 7 2013 12: 55 New
                +1
                Yes, about the range of 320-340 km, it is very interesting, but for what purpose? If AUG, then yes, perhaps, but for the destroyer? And at what range will detection occur, and even more so recognition and classification? And something tells me. that you also want to bullet YaBCh. And the range of the latest missiles is impressive. As well as EW tools, which every 10 years, are qualitatively improved. And we have at the level of the late 70s.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 7 2013 13: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: eagle11
                  Yes, about the range of 320-340 km, it is very interesting, but just for what purpose?


                  1. I report: absolutely real D launches for combat (rather than broken-up training) missiles with preliminary alignment of the PMG station with PNA.
                  There are so many “duries” in the PNA reconnaissance regiment that on Scale I, the target with an EPR of 150 square meters is freely “allocated” to the RLC, on navigator D 400 km the navigator finds Ts.105, which is an ordinary set of corner reflectors 1mx1m in the amount of 10 pieces as well as left-right marker and ECP.
                  So at D 360 km it’s already realistic to take any target at least single, at least group.
                  The only drawback is the resolution of the PNA, because if the ships go in tight formation, it will be a single illumination from the target, but ... this is not a parade, but .. a war?
                  2. Well, I wrote about the ranges, but with the classification here, yes .. the problem (if according to the AUG), only by the precisely known coordinate and knowledge of the order of the traveling and deployed orders, well, or they rely on the experience of the navigator, who can classify the target as the main (not confuse with false, this is really a problem) .Well, it’s understandable to a friend or foe .. SRZO has not been canceled yet!
                  3. I never intended to "bullet" with YABCh, tk. there, you don’t need any aiming at all, know the approximate coordinates and without turning on the PNA radiation (stealth mode) according to the PLP mode (floating spot), make target designation according to KU and D and inflate the battery and ..tsep.
                  All this can be done practically on the D 550 km-rocket only with the PSI head.
                  With the "practical" launch of these missiles, with PSI (102 and 108), the target size is a square of 10x10 km, with a side of 2 + 8 km (in range). Getting into this area .. the assessment is excellent, and the (real) power in the CT allows 2 to sink EVERYTHING in a radius of 200km at least!
                  4. I completely agree about the enemy’s electronic warfare and electronic warfare, but I wrote about the case when the flight is performed at altitudes of 8-10 thousand meters, the speed is 900 km / h, the target is single, the military warfare was not detected or didn’t "stupidly" time, "t .k. from the moment of detection to the moment of launch for missiles with SGP 1-1,5 minutes pass!
                  1. eagle11
                    eagle11 April 7 2013 14: 36 New
                    +1
                    Within a radius of 200 km? Today there is no handbook at hand, tomorrow I will ask the “chemical smoke”. His department. The range of the radio horizon, for an altitude of 10 m, is 000 km, how can manipulations be done at D 412 km? But what about the search? How to do it? When the “Kitty Hawk” was searched, so many photos of Japanese and Chinese ships were stolen ...
                    1. VAF
                      VAF April 7 2013 15: 02 New
                      0
                      Quote: eagle11
                      The range of the radio horizon, for an altitude of 10 m, is 000 km, how can manipulations be done at D 412 km?


                      Do not read carefully ... I wrote to you .. in the PLP mode ... here the square root of H in km X is 130 ... (the radio horizon is your excellent term, we have a radar target visibility range) does not play any .. "pianos" .. everyone considers the complex (NK-45 and forms the aiming mode and the control unit according to the coordinates entered into the BCVS)!

                      Finding a single ship at sea knowing its approximate coordinates is not difficult !!!
          4. eagle11
            eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 59 New
            +1
            If you are for missiles of the X-55 family, then here is not true, because. the coordinates of the target can be entered promptly after detecting the target and its "decryption"! In fact, X-55 is not used for moving objects, and the guidance system is imprisoned for other tasks.
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 16: 30 New
              +3
              Quote: eagle11
              Actually, X-55 is not used for moving objects,


              I specifically wrote ..."X-55 family" this time ... all the more so since he answered your comment about .... impossibility, etc., etc., and you .. "roughly" torn out of context .... exposing me fool ... not good negative

              Moreover, X-55 family missiles with Tu-22M (2 and 3) have never been used due to the design features of the airframe, and all the "dreams" have remained on ... paper!

              1. eagle11
                eagle11 April 7 2013 03: 08 New
                +1
                So I misunderstood your koment, I apologize! I agree the 55th was used only with 95MS and 160.
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 6 2013 17: 45 New
          +6
          Quote: eagle11
          Of course, he could not imitate before attacking, you need to know his exact coordinates,

          Worked as it should. Well done! The exact coordinates you need to know up to the limit of data obsolescence. When GOS does not capture the area likely to find the target. (depends on the flight altitude of the KR, time of obsolescence of shooting data, etc.). The radar image (position of the SC) is seen by the navigator-operator on board the missile carrier. Reports to commander: in position volley start or not. The picture can be transmitted from VII (AES, KRLD, other aircraft, NK systems of MrsTS "Success", "Legend", etc.). The data is broadcast in the "head" of the KR. Start. After passing a given distance, the CR opens the GOS, which begins searching for a target. If the goal is a group, turn on the logic of selecting the target. In order not to miss the LC, the head of the CD is multichannel (as a rule, radar + IR + TV). To break through the air defense of the ship of the Kyrgyz Republic maneuvers in height, speed, direction. puts passive and active interference. I had to watch when the burning CD (which was almost shot down!) Continues to fly and hits a target! So with this, we are all right so far, BUT !!! There is no limit to improvement!
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 03: 10 New
            +1
            I am writing this from practice. On Monday I’ll clarify who worked and how, “by interaction”
      2. Doctor Evil
        Doctor Evil April 6 2013 15: 29 New
        +1
        Thank you for the clarification!
  • elmi
    elmi April 6 2013 11: 42 New
    +7
    Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States? Indeed, even on the example of exercises, as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO planes are escorted, although for example we can guard part of the way with our fighters, but the fuel resource will not allow us to accompany our missile carriers for a long time, which means that you will have to fly alone, and this is a tidbit piece for NATO interceptors.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 11: 51 New
      12
      Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States?

      It has a chance to fly, to launch rockets and topple whole to the base.
      Indeed, even on the example of exercises, as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO planes are taken for escort

      Not certainly in that way. NATO escort is only within the range of their fighters. In a combat situation, the strategist will not go there. His ammunition will fly there.
      and this is a tidbit for NATO interceptors.

      These interceptors still need to reach the strategist. The same Tu-95MS can circle in the waiting area, covered by our air defense for hours, until the right moment. And then fly to the launch area, shoot back and knock down before the interceptors appear there.

      In other matters, in the event of a full-scale conflict, a slightly different weapon will fly to the territory of the United States.
      1. elmi
        elmi April 6 2013 12: 22 New
        +5
        Thanks for clarifying hi
      2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 31 New
        -4
        Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...
        1. elmi
          elmi April 6 2013 22: 43 New
          +6
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...

          Who is this for your child? and where did you see the nonsense mister know-it-all? And blaming ignorant people in some areas is easier than simple, do you know everything? so let's debate to see how you are adult and all-knowing.
        2. astra
          astra April 6 2013 23: 06 New
          +7
          Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
          Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...

          Clever man comment on what bothers you? you are such an adult that you know everything, while others are children, if something is poorly known. Think with your head before blaming a gaggle fool
    2. VAF
      VAF April 6 2013 12: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: elmi
      In case of war, are our long-range aircraft likely to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to US territory?


      Yes they have, the Tu-160-e and Tu-95MS, only not at the maximum launch range, but at the maximum range ...... but there is still a question at what depth on the enemy’s territory there are strike objects, because. if they are located deep in the territory, the missile carriers will be forced to approach the launch lines at which they can be intercepted by enemy air defense fighters!



      Quote: elmi
      as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO aircraft are taken for escort,


      Only in cases where flights are carried out over neutral waters, but not far from the territorial waters of NATO countries, and so ... the range of air defense fighters is not enough wink
      1. elmi
        elmi April 6 2013 13: 02 New
        +7
        Thank. I read it like that at one time we were developing a strategic bomber with the possibility of going out into deep space, followed by a dive into the atmosphere to strike an enemy and retreat back into space. And it seems to me that Buran was somehow involved in this project, but in regret not brought to the end.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 6 2013 13: 10 New
          +3
          Of course involved .... More precisely, this is the answer to the American shuttle. If the Energy-Buran program had not been curtailed, then who knows what would happen now. At least automatic “planes” for Earth-Orbit transportation. Remember, Buran flew and sat CAM! And militarily ... Then imagination can be played out in earnest.
      2. eagle11
        eagle11 April 6 2013 15: 19 New
        +2
        I did not expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase "in case of war", there are already a lot of options, right up to the destruction of the "long-range" at the airport. But in any case: Interceptors will be based on advanced aerodromes, this is, secondly, the adversary’s aerodrome network is so developed (including in overseas territories) that there simply is no chance to fly beyond the limits of the cover of its fighters and not be attacked. Thirdly, the existing reconnaissance system will unambiguously open the take-off of our aviation and promptly bring fighters to the intercept line. Fourth, all US fighters have a refueling system and the largest fleet of refueling tanks; they can be in the air for up to 8 hours (this is based on an analysis of conflicts).
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 42 New
          +6
          about in any case: Interceptors will be based on advanced airfields

          Where any tactical missile with a cassette warhead will cover them easily and naturally.
          secondly, the adversary’s aerodrome network is so developed (including in the overseas territories) that there is simply no chance to fly beyond the limits of the fighter’s cover and not be attacked

          The network of airfields is developed, here you are right. But what about the chances ... God forbid the radius of the interceptors 1500 km. A strategist can follow such a path that no infection can reach him.
          Thirdly, the existing reconnaissance system will unambiguously open the take-off of our aviation and promptly bring fighters to the intercept line.

          Intelligence satellites will be the primary target. To reach the interception line, you need to know the strategist’s route. Who would give his adversary ... Go find a strategist who flew out at night .. by the morning he already knows where the hell.
          Fourth, all US fighters have a refueling system and the largest fleet of refueling tanks; they can be in the air for up to 8 hours (this is based on an analysis of conflicts).

          Tankers are a very convenient target. And a cool firework turns out. This time. Secondly, something I doubt the physical capabilities of the pilots to sit in a cramped cockpit for 8 hours a day and wait until the strategist comes out on them. In addition, we also have a drying system refueling. So .. this is not an argument.

          And you forgot about the Tu-160. His fighters cannot catch up! And it seems to me that it will be used primarily to suppress these very bases of interceptors, AUGs and other evil spirits.
          1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
            NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 34 New
            -3
            Yes Anderson (Hans Christian) is resting ........
            1. elmi
              elmi April 6 2013 23: 13 New
              +5
              Quote: NOBODY EXCEPT US
              Yes Anderson (Hans Christian) is resting ........

              And you, I see, then doused in pursuit of underwear
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt April 6 2013 18: 57 New
            0
            Quote: Wedmak
            And you forgot about the Tu-160. His fighters cannot catch up!
            I was always sure that the Tu-95 for patrol, and the Tu-160 for a breakthrough to the launch line
          3. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 02: 01 New
            +2
            Name any tactical missile with a warhead cassette that is in service with the RF Armed Forces and has a launch range approximately equal to the radius of the interceptor (no one will land them near the main gun). The strategist will go along the trajectory when he is brought down, and in theory he goes along the route. If you really were doing a "Combat Plan ..." at least at KShU, TU and so on. then much would become clear, for example, that there are not so many routes, and they are limited by a large number of factors, one of them being the very objects of impact.
            WHAT are you planning to shoot down satellites? It’s just interesting, because I’ve been serving in the Air Defense Forces for two decades now, maybe I don’t know something, didn’t teach at the academies, hid it in the troops? The route is calculated, believe me it’s not difficult. Having the strength, intelligence and analytics of the enemy with a high degree of probability (more than 75%)
            About where refueling will be carried out, I hope you do not need to write? Even in Soviet times, no one was going to shoot them down. It was written, "on the analysis of conflicts" at the limit of physical capabilities, but unfortunately the fact is.
            What dryers (interceptors) besides five Su-30s have refueling, but I forgot about our refuellers, they are just huge, they don’t fit in Diagelovo, they are on the streets of Ryazan :) You don’t think correctly, the Tu-160 is used for other tasks.
        2. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 16: 37 New
          +5
          Quote: eagle11
          I did not expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase "in case of war", there are already a lot of options, right up to the destruction of the "long-range" at the airport.


          Any person reasoning to the best of his knowledge and when it goes beyond his competence, then .......

          Now your way ..... "competent"..answer: wink

          1. List me the advanced enemy airfields in the area of ​​the North Pole, where will your interceptors start from to destroy our strategists?
          2. Launch range of the KR X-101, I hope they all the same reach the air force units of 5500 km! Even the entire fleet of tankers, direct them all the same is not enough to try to create some kind of barrage zones at such a distance!
          Well and so on hi
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 03: 48 New
            +1
            How to write, so as not to interest the "competent authorities"? I will manage the conceptual apparatus, without resorting to excerpts from the grooved ones. On the first question, of course, they are not at the pole, but I assure you, on the approaches to Greenland, Alaska and Canada, both fighter jets and AWACS will be on duty, unfortunately we practically do not consider options for destroying our carriers before launching them asp. Type: "What are you doing, a bayonet to the ground right away?" On the second, when they reach the troops, then we'll talk, let's start from the realities.
            On “and so on” at the time when I was a listener, I participated in a military game, which included: representatives of the VVA, VA VKO, Glavkomat, 37 VA, KSpN (and then 16 VA). I learned a lot of interesting things, but most importantly I saw that the “schools” are very different in understanding certain issues. Yes, they are very strong in some, but in others ... I remember how the Commander of the 37th reported the decision, his teachers from the "opera" of the "creators" almost ate. Amazed then, how so? Common truths (for the opener) and not know? The fact is that, of course, we have available literature in the areas and studied the “tactics of aviation units” and “air defense units”, respectively. But, we understand everything based on our fundamental knowledge. Even now, serving together, we divide each other into guys from PuVO and BBC, while the "competent" officers consider each other "fools" to coordinate documents. I repeat, there are very strong points, and personally, I always consult with certain "people" on certain issues. Despite the guidance documents, opinions are very different, but the decision, as you understand, is made by one person (usually noo). I’m very close in education, the air defense tactics and I understand how it is created and what opportunities it has and how the special-purpose missile defense system works, too. But even when reading "RLE", the real picture is not always correctly understood. "Gena, can you do that? It says here!" "Sanya, this is possible, only in case ... In general, it is not possible .." "How so?" “And so, based on experience ...” In general, for a long time to paint, when it is your job, “urapatriotism” passes quickly.
            1. VAF
              VAF April 7 2013 14: 09 New
              0
              Quote: eagle11
              How to write, so as not to interest the "competent authorities"?


              What you wrote, absolutely everything is correct and true, +! This is exactly what happened in practice, and it certainly happens. ..nothing changes.
              Well, the "secrets" of the General guys from the "neighboring entrance 2 are not interested.
              What I wrote above, in principle, is all “theory” or practicing singly and in pairs, in practice, everything is only in theory (package No. 1 or No. 2).
              Once "tried" in realities .. "build" a maneuver in practice with 2 Tu-22M3 detachments under the cover of a su-27PD ..... I will not reckon the result .... but not ice!
              And it is in the afternoon, in PMU. But the “Grebe” in general .. didn’t find anything and the MiG-31s ​​who played for the “enemy” ... they hurt us like ... "smoke"!
        3. elmi
          elmi April 6 2013 16: 39 New
          +5
          Quote: eagle11
          Did not expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase is "in case of war",

          Well, how do you think I should have asked? do you think is better in peacetime?
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 02: 07 New
            0
            Sorry, but it’s just in reality that options are being considered, one of which in “peacetime”
            1. elmi
              elmi April 7 2013 10: 19 New
              +3
              Well, it’s understandable that in peacetime it is considered, but an attack on an enemy’s territory occurs only in wartime and not in peacetime.
              1. eagle11
                eagle11 April 7 2013 11: 19 New
                0
                All options are made in advance, proceeding from them, and tactics and combat training are being built, we must prepare for military operations. Then, conflicts are different, therefore asp, apply different. When the usual, when the apple. And if they say "war", then in terminology, the third world is immediately presented :)
                1. elmi
                  elmi April 7 2013 11: 48 New
                  +4
                  Quote: eagle11
                  And if they say "war", then in terminology, the third world is immediately presented :)

                  Me too )
        4. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa April 6 2013 18: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: eagle11
          there is simply no chance to fly beyond the confinement of their fighters and not be attacked.

          No need to get excited and to be categorical in judgments, because our knowledge is limited. For example:
          - YES routes run through the North Pole (not every bird NATOVSKAYA reaches the middle ... SLO);
          - YES will act within the OPERATION (la-la-la) of the offensive forces, when the main mass of the airfields of the adversary will be suppressed;
          - YES will hide behind a powerful interference component, aiming interference, in the range of operation of the interceptors firing radar, and so on ...
          And yet: the start line is not the maximum, but the so-called. "secured" range, which in calculations is taken as 0,75 from D max.
          Strategists are not toys, and they will be used on the DAYS OF THE DAY, therefore there is no talk about the world. Our leadership did not oversleep, dispersed or lifted into the air - it will be something to answer. No - the eternal memory of the heroes! so "learn materiel!"
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 03: 52 New
            +1
            Strategists can perform not only strategic tasks. I remember, I remember, about our obstacles and the capabilities of the enemy, believe me, the alignment is not in our favor.
      3. eagle11
        eagle11 April 6 2013 16: 10 New
        0
        and so ... the range of air defense fighters is not enough
        I remember how, one fine day, I came to intervene on duty in the illustrious Leningrad association. I look all sleepy in the "tone". I ask: "What happened?" In response, a colleague pokes at the “bastion” in Moldova “Do you see the Quartet” above Tallinn? It’s been hanging for 6 hours, it’s been walking nearby in the AWACS zone, before that there was one more link, but it was lost to low altitudes ... Later, of course (when the summit NATO in Tallinn is over) there was a report that the guys from Lakenhirt 48 AK were on duty there, came to the F-15C and were on duty, measure the distance from Lakenhirt to Tallinn, and all questions will disappear.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 6 2013 16: 20 New
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          Not the fact that they flew from that air base. Maybe they flew to the nearest airfield near Tallinn and were already patrolling from there.
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 02: 11 New
            +1
            Bad you think you about the guys from the “office” flew from there. Therefore, we did not even have time to strengthen air defense systems in time.
        2. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 17: 15 New
          0
          Quote: eagle11
          a report came that the guys from Lakenhirt 48 AK were on duty there, came to the F-15C and were on duty, measure the distance from Lakenhirt to Tallinn, and all questions will disappear.


          A life example, but .. not on the topic ..... the "remnants" of the 678th red banner on the Su-27PD and SM rise from Chkalovsk and that’s all ..... Avax and F-15’s will end wink

          And for your information, our fighters went far beyond the Baltic, and when they were based in Poland, then in general .... the foggy Albion was all ... under control! wink

          And on the topic ... I’ll repeat again .. take D start AKP and everything will fall into place!
          1. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 04: 06 New
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            "Off-topic?" the whole story is just about how far the duty zone can be removed.
            About the remains ... Here I don’t understand at all, do you have any idea about the combat readiness and the organization of duty?
            I will answer the facts. That "ill-fated day" was on duty, my "native" 159th guards fighter Novorossiysk Red Banner Order of Suvorov Aviation Regiment. More precisely, the "duty link" was on duty as it was called in the old fashioned way, because in fact, one crew was on duty in goth. No. 3 and one in the “reinforcement”. Naturally, they began to strengthen the DS, and on duty they began to transfer both 177 IAP, and zrdn zrp. That's just the time it took ... And you raise ... And if they "raise"? Those. set the task, namely to attack? The showdown was serious.
            By the way, 159 giap came to Besovets, just from Klyuchevoe ... And my father served at the time in 16 hyades, Pyutnits. So, the troche I know GSVG (ZGV) and SGV. And I went to school, in Uzin :)
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 April 7 2013 04: 39 New
              +1
              But grandmother and grandfather lived on the outskirts of Vasilkov, which predetermined the "childhood dream", "strategists" and "tankers" did not rave. The Su-25, MiG-23, 29 in Pyatnitsa were not impressed, but the Su-27, in Besovets, yes.
            2. VAF
              VAF April 7 2013 14: 55 New
              +1
              Quote: eagle11
              Then I don’t understand at all, do you have any idea about the combat readiness and the organization of duty?


              Well, how can I tell you ... it seems to have been dismissed from the post of deputy regiment commander, so .. a little bit "familiar" with the BG and the organization of duty in the DZ soldier

              I don’t know how you are .... in the 159th .... it may be based in Poland .. "relaxed", although he was personally acquainted with Mikhailov and he didn’t allow him like you write ..
              A link is always in DZ .... a couple is always ready No. 3 and a couple of “on-duty” forces, and reinforcement .. this is the allocation of another link or an entire squadron. When transferred to increased degrees of BG!

              And how much is this “miraculous” way your regiment from the territory of Poland with Kuchevo .. "went" right up to Estnonia ????? Or then Besovtsa? So same ... two bast shoes on the map!

              I told you that the Baltic was a zone of responsibility of 689 Guards Iap from Chkalovsk (now only the squadron remained there)!

              [media=http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8370/8407611655_d7559557e0_o.jpg]

              And how is this "miraculous" way you from Besovets and Lodeynoye Pole at a distance of more than 1000 km to the target ... were trying to ... somewhere .. organize and .. "intercept" ????
              1. VAF
                VAF April 7 2013 15: 23 New
                0
                Quote: vaf
                The Baltic was a zone of responsibility of 689 Guards Iap from Chkalovsk (now only the squadron remained there)!
              2. eagle11
                eagle11 April 7 2013 16: 41 New
                +1
                Since you were, as I suppose, a "pure" deputy, you know that the composition of the DS is determined by the commander, nor as the regiment commander. And they are on duty even now, with that very composition, one crew ... And they go to the borders of Estonia, from Besovets, or from Chkalovsk, they guard their "garden" and they simply interacted with them under the fleet. Yes, almost 700 km, they drove to the "ribbon" on readiness (for the management of Mon Island). What to do “what’s richer.” There were 180 giap, but they finished in 2002, and they had a gg, they were on duty at number 4, so to speak, about now just ... They didn’t teach us how to protect our homeland with such “fleets”. Mikhailov left a long time ago, although it was he who led the regiment to Karelia. All my time in the West, the regiment Makarevich commanded.
                1. VAF
                  VAF April 7 2013 17: 39 New
                  0
                  Quote: eagle11
                  as I believe a "pure" deputy, you know that the composition of the DS is determined by the commander,


                  You are mistaken ... The commander determines the REQUIRED ORDER OF DC in his area of ​​responsibility, but the interception of the necessary force and equipment is determined by the Combat Charter, and this is what the regiment commander is guided by when setting the task for the database!

                  Quote: eagle11
                  And they are on duty even now, with that very crew, one crew ..


                  Well .. I don’t know .... maybe .. "the pilots are over"? although materiel from 3 regiments should be enough.
                  Technically, photos are not attached ... otherwise it would clearly demonstrate what the duty link on the Su-27, Mig-31 and Mig-29 is.

                  Quote: eagle11
                  from Chkalovsk, they guard their "garden" and they are under the fleet


                  Yes, they are practically naval, but the zone of their responsibility lies just along the entire border of the territorial waters of the Baltic states up to the Northern neighbors!
                  And Avax and GSTI, as you write, just hung in that area.

                  Well, not 700 km, but 800 and then from Lodeynoye Pole, but from you, from Besovets .. more than 1000 km, and = probably in the zone .. do you need to "stand"?

                  Well, I quit in 1999, so we still had normal DS and full DZ and regular databases with practical sorties to intercept, and to check the air defense system!
                  1. eagle11
                    eagle11 April 8 2013 15: 27 New
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                    What you write, unfortunately, was long ago, now in the order of the Commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Command, it is specifically indicated how much and what is in what readiness, at which airfield and from which part, and in the annex suspension options. All the orders below, just pull out their own, well, and a little deepen. From the bottom, only offers are issued based on the level of training and technical equipment. Photos can be viewed on Google Earth, the same demon, DZ on s-to the right of the runway. A couple of times they were on duty at Siversky, a full-fledged link, to the summit and the 300th anniversary, even they were on duty in the air (from Lodeika). I don’t understand something, where is 800 km? I wrote, from Bes to the Island, 700 km. I hope you don’t think that the HFA will be in the "neutral"? And how do you imagine the duty of the “sailors” in the Baltic at such a distance? We have a "cord model", we are sitting on a "radar needle". And who will manage the crews there? And the "neutral" in the Gulf of Finland in one place reaches 4 km (the "sailors" when flying bypassed, then the Finns, then the Estonians will make a "visit"). When you have not quit, we have already finished Mon and Eagle on Gogland. And as for the range in general, you probably remember how Valera Troyanov from Lodeika paid a “courtesy visit” So he flew from Lodeika, (walked in a mixed group), reached almost to Bornholm, turned around, asked Kaliningradskaya through, and ran for another 50 minutes Lithuania and the balance of 150 kg, came out of the "drying", of course the suspension was "2 + 2". But still. Even when they drove from Latvia to readiness to Latvia (at "4 + 6"), they still had to turn circles on the route up to "1500kg".
      4. Garrin
        Garrin April 6 2013 18: 33 New
        +3
        VAF ,
        Thanks for the wonderful photos and comments. I enjoyed. good
    3. Odysseus
      Odysseus April 6 2013 14: 24 New
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      Quote: elmi
      Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States?

      If the Americans strike first, then our YES (in its current state) will be destroyed at the bases.
      If we are the first to strike (that is, we will have time for preparation), then there are chances.
      But, in general, YES is best used against Europe, China and Japan.
      In the United States, the Strategic Missile Forces and SLBMs operate primarily.
      1. VAF
        VAF April 6 2013 16: 40 New
        +2
        Quote: Odyssey
        If the Americans strike first, then our YES (in its current state) will be destroyed at the bases.


        Odyssey. Greetings! Well let's hope so. what have not yet ... forgotten with this re-formation ... what is the threatened period and dispersal? (I consciously lower the exit from under the blow)!

        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus April 6 2013 17: 21 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Odyssey. Greetings! Well let's hope so. what have not yet ... forgotten with this re-formation ... what is the threatened period and dispersal? (I consciously lower the exit from under the blow)!

          Welcome back drinks
          Well, if reconnaissance on time reveals preparations for an attack, and the political leadership is not afraid to give a command, it may be possible to disperse.
          But, sorry, to be honest, I do not believe in the possibility of our YES to survive in the first blow.
          Who will disperse? Do we have many suitable aircraft ready to take off on alarm?
          And where ? Hop airfields are not covered by air defense.
          And then you still have to hang up the X-55 with YBCh.
          1. VAF
            VAF April 6 2013 18: 20 New
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            But, sorry, to be honest, I do not believe in the possibility of our YES to survive in the first blow.


            Incidentally, I do not believe the same thing even now, because at this stage of dispersal airfields .. generally a minimum-minimurum, and if we take into account only the runway and the RSO, and about the provision and especially the armament ... we won’t better crying

            Quote: Odyssey
            And then you still have to hang up the X-55 with YBCh.


            It’s only when bringing BG to higher degrees, and when it really comes out of the attack .. no suspensions, oh, OSB, NIIASP ... with which there is something to fly with, even at the “operational” gas station.

            Almost like on the duty link ... the team and ... came running. jump into the cup and launch.
            True, the flight time from the territory of Germany to us was about 25-40 minutes, so when such a team arrived at Chechery time (i.e. we are all at home), it was at least surprising, because. gathering in ZVS in 45 minutes after a signal! lol
            1. eagle11
              eagle11 April 7 2013 04: 11 New
              +1
              In general, we now set the task in 50 minutes, with a signal ... Not surprisingly.
          2. eagle11
            eagle11 April 7 2013 04: 08 New
            +1
            Yes, it is the availability of time, the most important thing in the "conclusions of the assessment ..."
  • Averias
    Averias April 6 2013 11: 53 New
    +1
    Something I did not understand. Ours first built the missile defense mock-ups fully sized, placed them near the borders of Japan, and then sank? And the West was invited in the form of spectators. So what. Some kind of nonsense.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 11: 59 New
      +1
      Ours first built the missile defense mock-ups fully sized, placed them near the borders of Japan, and then sank?

      Judging by the message, the role of missile defense mockups was performed by real missile defense objects. wink
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 6 2013 12: 07 New
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    And who else to train? On their already trained with the help of the great strategist Taburetkin. LET'S REMEMBER OF OURS. BE AWAKEN!

    Even during the war, the Americans repeatedly extended the "hand" of friendship to our pilots, shot down several of our aircraft. But ours did not remain in debt. The bill was in our favor. But especially friendship was manifested during the war in the DPRK.
    One example:
    Hero of the Soviet Union, ace pilot, Air Force Colonel Evgeny Georgievich Pepelyaev is our outstanding compatriot with an amazing fate. Despite the fact that his name is inscribed in the Guinness World Records on the number of enemy jet aircraft shot down, he, unfortunately, is little known in our country. Evgeny Pepelyaev - The Great Soldier of the Great State!
    He was born on March 18, 1918 in Bodaibo, Irkutsk Region. Learned to fly in the Odessa flying club. In 1936 he was drafted into the army. He served in the 300th Fighter Aviation Regiment in the Far East. He flew on the I-16. In the fall of 1943, he completed 12 sorties on the Yak-7 on the Belorussian Front. Thrice participated in air battles. Returning to the 300th IAP, in August 1945 he fought on the Yak-9T with the Japanese. Fulfilled 30 sorties. Member of the Korean War. In 1956 he graduated from the General Staff Academy and was appointed commander of the 133rd IAD. He retired in 1973 with the rank of colonel. The hero of the USSR.
    "I shot down 23 US Air Force planes!"
    - After two months of fighting, we fought group fights mainly with Sabers. Usually, from 12 to 35 fighters participated in such a battle on each side. The Americans really wanted to regain their dominance in the air, but they painfully reacted to their losses and often left the battlefield. My flight book contains 108 sorties and 39 air battles. In total, I shot down 23 aircraft. Among them are two F-94 Starfire, one F-80 Shooting Star, one F-84 Thunderjet, and the rest F-86 Saber. All of these are US Air Force planes.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 18: 41 New
      +3
      Alexander Borisovich! Thank you, strong example! for youth forum! And then you look at the box and all the heroes are striped, and our kind is second-rate!
      I would just like to add: the first account of the shot down amers was opened by I.N. Kozhedub. He personally told about this in the aviation museum in Monino to us, young officers of the fleet. And he talked about the need for 62 stars to draw more 2 for the black, curly-headed pilots who had been shot down over Berlin, who were flying in the Mustangs. Our illustrious ace did not speak about other victories. BUT! I rummaged through the internet and stumbled onto http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1084484400, where my eyes are “opened”: not 2, but 5 amer has been inundated with Ivan Nikitich! I think every victory is a feat! But in 1986, in a private setting for "beloved sailors," he told a lot and interestingly, but he never remembered 3 flying fortresses. But this is never forgotten! If you know something about this issue, do not take it for work: drop it on my box. With respect. I.
  • amp
    amp April 6 2013 12: 11 New
    -2
    Why imitate? Embed on these missile defense systems, let’s see what the money of American taxpayers went for. laughing
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 12: 17 New
      +3
      Why again put the world on the brink of nuclear war?
      Even if they do not use nuclear weapons, the USA can respond with conventional weapons, there are enough hot goals there. Yes, and we are not yet ready for a protracted war. So, we stretch our numb muscles, build new ones, simultaneously shaking the nerves of the herald of democracy.
  • Ar4ii
    Ar4ii April 6 2013 12: 35 New
    0
    And there by chance there was no Tu-95MS that burned down like a boot on February 26 at the Diaghilevo airport (Combat training and retraining center for long-range aviation flight personnel, Ryazan)?
    1. VAF
      VAF April 6 2013 13: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Ar4ii
      like a boot it burned down on February 26 at the Diaghilevo airport


      So it burned down ....... the whole front cabin .... up to 33 frames!

      Here is a photo .. all that remains of the front cabin ....
  • honest jew
    honest jew April 6 2013 12: 47 New
    +7
    came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa April 6 2013 15: 47 New
      +6
      Quote: honest Jew

      come to Berlin ... come to New York

      WE DO NOT GO ON RADIOACTIVE WOMB!
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 50 New
        +2
        Good trolling, bravo!
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic April 6 2013 13: 04 New
    +6
    20 hours in the air - strategic bombers from Engels airbase near Saratov spent April 05 large-scale strategic containment exercises. Heavy missile carriers in full combat equipment no landings flying along the entire northern border of our territorial waters
    "Russian Bears" cut twilight with screws to be in the morning over Kamchatka. Large-scale exercises of long-range aviation - along nuclear deterrence routes. And the flagship - Tu-160, which is called the "white swan." For grace and maneuverability.
    Guard Major Tveritin sets a personal record. It takes in the sky 47 tons of fuel. AND hits a conditional target at the Kura training ground. Now another “asterisk” will appear on the fuselage. A check from a cruise missile will become a talisman.
    “Launching a rocket is the main dream of a combat pilot, we all strive for this,”
    - says the commander of the strategic missile carrier Tu-160 Igor Tveritin.
    What Russian "White Swan" - then NATO "Black Jack". The exercises of long-range aviation are closely watched by neighbors. As soon as the missile carrier, which has already headed for the North Atlantic, is in neutral waters, the Norwegian F-16s are landing on their tail. But this does not bother Russian pilots.
    “The relations are friendly, waved, everyone understands - the pilots. They do their work, we do our own, "
    - says the commander of the strategic missile carrier Tu-95MS Vyacheslav Kosulin.
    behind the armored partition of 12 cruise missiles. With a maximum take-off mass of 275 tons, the Swan still flies twice as fast as sound, and at an altitude of 16 kilometers - this is the stratosphere. The machine, which began to be developed back in the fifties, and in the nineties were able to save from literally sawing in Ukraine, and Today, according to its characteristics, the standard.
    “Further there will be an even deeper modernization. It will fly for 30 and 40 years, we have not yet chosen all the combat potential, "
    - says the commander of long-range aviation of the Russian Air Force Anatoly Zhikharev.
    Ten years ago, the flight of officers did not exceed ten hours a year. Today the opposite is true.
    “All pilots are constantly in the sky, all are trained, no one has any breaks in flight training,”
    - says the commander of the Engels guards red banner air base Vladimir Popov.

    From the assignment they are met personally by the commander. According to tradition, a roast pig is on a tray. But before - debriefing.
    link
    Is it not about these exercises and the training launch of the Kyrgyz Republic that our "partners" are so screaming?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 13: 12 New
      +1
      According to tradition, a roast pig is on a tray.

      Damn sorry for the piglets !!! smile With such a raid, it is necessary to keep a pig farm at each aerodrome of long-range truck and base of submariners.
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 6 2013 14: 03 New
        +6
        Quote: Wedmak
        Damn sorry for the piglets !!! With such a raid, it is necessary to keep a pork farm at each long-range airfield and submariners base.


        Piglet probably only after a combat training launch. We usually smeared our thumb with soot and on the identity card on the page where the permit stamp was stamped. I have two of them, I even had to lose my identity when replacing it and before the demobilization to keep it as a memory .. It is more expensive than any medals and diplomas ..

        1. VAF
          VAF April 6 2013 14: 27 New
          +5
          Quote: Ascetic
          Piglet probably only after a combat training launch


          Hello Stanislav! Not just a combat training, but a practical missile launch.

          And then ... this tradition was introduced only by strategists on the Tu-160s ..... in distant aviation there was no .... and a check in your pocket immediately after the suspension, and to the navigator .. stubs.
          If I put all prints after launches in the ULO, then .. pages would not be enough drinks
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 6 2013 14: 58 New
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            If I put all prints after launches in the ULO, then .. pages would not be enough


            Hello, Sergey! We do not have practical launches, only combat training. You can serve all your life and never once not only not participate but also not see in reality. We even have a great deal of participation in combat training with standard weapons. (This is a usual routine for testers). I was just lucky, at first I strengthened the brotherly division instead of vacation, the second time I shot my own ...

            Yes, I even dug up such sad news.
            The Tu-95MS strategic bomber burned out at the airport. According to Kommersant, with reference to the commission of the Ministry of Defense, after a strong fire on board the aircraft can no longer be restored.
            The incident itself took place on February 26 at the Diaghilevo airport in Ryazan. Then, the military department limited themselves to a brief report that “during the scheduled flights at the taxiing stage in the technical compartment on the Tu-95MS aircraft smoke occurred”. The press service of the Ministry of Defense added that the smoke was quickly eliminated, and the crew was not injured.

            In fact, as the newspaper writes, everything was much more serious. The Tu-95 crew was preparing for take-off when the self-shutdown of the turbogenerator unit unexpectedly occurred. The crew commander reported this to the command post of the airfield and requested permission not to take off. Permission was given, and the aircraft began to taxi from the runway. The fire, meanwhile, spread, and the pilots had to de-energize the car and leave it.
            When the fire brigades of the airfield arrived at the plane, it was already engulfed in flames. They managed to quickly put out the fire, but the bomber managed to get severe damage: the jobs of the navigator, radio operator and flight engineer with all their equipment were destroyed. After the incident, a commission was established to investigate it, which found out that the cause of the fire was a malfunction of the equipment.
            This seemed strange to experts, since the Tu-95 had just undergone a major overhaul at the manufacturing plant in Taganrog. The amount of the contract for the repair of two such aircraft amounted to 631,48 million rubles. Those. About 315 million rubles were paid for the repair of one bomber. Currently, the remaining electrical equipment of the aircraft is planned to be sent for examination, in addition, all aircraft of this type will be checked.
            link

            Is it really true? They lost the plane .. and there are so few damn them ..
            1. VAF
              VAF April 6 2013 15: 21 New
              +7
              Quote: Ascetic
              Is it really true? They lost the plane .. and there are so few damn them ..


              Stanislav, there everything was painted above about this, everything I think ..... in fact, an ordinary short-circuit led to such a fire ?????
              Some kind of nonsense, especially since they themselves taxied and extinguished it already in the parking lot, i.e. roughly speaking .. all .. have seen how the plane burns ... belay

              Now there is such a level of READINESS of flight support facilities crying
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 April 6 2013 13: 26 New
    0
    Quote: honest Jew
    came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!

    Quote: zanoza
    "The Russians are coming (flying)!"
  • medwed1976
    medwed1976 April 6 2013 13: 31 New
    +1
    Quote: honest Jew
    came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!
  • honest jew
    honest jew April 6 2013 14: 17 New
    0
    Glory to the Russian falcons!
  • nikolas 83
    nikolas 83 April 6 2013 14: 51 New
    0
    Is it interesting to plan in the foreseeable future the release of a new bomber-rocket carrier? After all, that 160 and that 95 have long been released and do not make new ones. sad
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 6 2013 15: 46 New
      0
      Yes. The development of a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA) has begun. Even the scheme has already been chosen - a flying wing. Although it may, as usual .. with modifications. wink
  • Atrix
    Atrix April 6 2013 14: 59 New
    +1
    Another fright of the Pentagon of citizens and Congress to pump new money.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt April 6 2013 20: 30 New
      0
      I think this American "hot" news "for internal use, and of the whole" enlightened world ", has leaked to our open spaces ..... But if it’s deeper (provided that the training capture of the radar really took place), then I think that recently certain actions and declarations have taken place on the issue of missile defense. Arrivals and statements by US government officials, "abandonment" of missile defense in Poland ( bully ), proposals and "initiatives" to reduce the nuclear arsenals of the two main world counterparts. I think that at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs an unambiguous and unshakable answer was given, and for weighty credibility, this training attack was carried out in the person of BACKFIRE. And this is already a military-political response Russia to deploy a missile defense system. --------------------------- PS so that a rocket could get into a ground object from several hundred kilometers, it must either know its exact coordinates and move in them , constantly clarifying their position in space by satellite, or someone should constantly highlight this target, and the rocket will move along the reflected signal.
      There is a third, correlation system, when a detailed route map and an image of the target to be hit are loaded into the rocket’s memory, and the rocket in flight takes off the terrain over which it flies and constantly checks the data with the marching map. (MTS doesn’t work well, there’s map, but I can’t pass it ...... or is the 26th information battalion "out of reach" ??? ..... LIE --- DO NOT TAKE IT ...!)
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt April 6 2013 21: 24 New
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  • Alikovo
    Alikovo April 6 2013 15: 05 New
    -1
    Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information. Americans are probably shocked by this.
  • redwar6
    redwar6 April 6 2013 15: 39 New
    0
    If this is true, then I oh lol, the Americans are cool, their about super!
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 April 6 2013 16: 15 New
    0
    Learn, study and study! Were they aiming from the neutral? So why the hell squeal ?! One bad thing, we never knew how to benefit from information like Americans do.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW April 6 2013 17: 53 New
      0
      If the 22nd really did something (which is unlikely), then their yeast in their knees and noise on the Web is something already !!!
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan April 6 2013 16: 47 New
    0
    We get to New York ... if they climb ...
    And so we are peaceful people ... if you do not touch us ...
  • stranik72
    stranik72 April 6 2013 16: 49 New
    +4
    Gentlemen, on the topic of repair of TU-95, all repair plants are at the mercy of the well-known defense service, through the structure of aircraft repair, so according to the philosophy of business, the quality of repair cannot be high. The contract for repair of the Air Force is concluded on conditions for the plant that are extremely unprofitable, the structure of the factory’s pricing structure gives his price for repairs imposed on him by 60 percent lower (state contract), his mother go and survive as you want, hence the low salaries of hard workers, the inability to purchase first-class equipment and the quality of the repair, who and how to repair, the money comes from the Air Force (MO) by the end of the year, in order to fulfill the contract, the plant takes a loan, and this is interest and they must be paid, so that repair of the TU-1 costs the factory at best, without losses, but really with losses and spin as you can, so that's all being repaired by the Air Force in modern factories is of poor quality. Well, and so whoever understands the topic now IAS in the Air Force command the rear, and his flight safety problem does not flare up, but the money is yes. Deputy armament for the military and the formation of a rear axle. The situation will not be better. Lucky peasants on earth.
    1. VAF
      VAF April 6 2013 17: 17 New
      0
      Quote: stranik72
      Well, and so whoever understands the topic now IAS in the Air Force command the rear, and his flight safety problem does not flare up, but the money is yes. Deputy armament for the military and the formation of a rear axle. The situation will not be better. Lucky peasants on earth.


      +++++++++++++++++++++++++! drinks
  • rodevaan
    rodevaan April 6 2013 16: 52 New
    -1
    We get to New York ... if they climb ....
    And so we are peaceful people ... if you don’t touch us ...
  • AleksUkr
    AleksUkr April 6 2013 17: 15 New
    0
    Moscow, March 28 - AIF-Moscow. US Air Force B-2 bombers arriving in South Korea successfully completed training in "striking" training munitions against conventional targets, RIA Novosti reported.

    Earlier, the DPRK authorities announced an increase in the combat readiness of the armed forces in view of the possible need for striking at American military bases. Involvement by the US Armed Forces command of B-2 aircraft, according to Western analysts, could further aggravate the situation on the Korean Peninsula.

    According to representatives of the Strategic Command of the US Armed Forces, two B-2 Spirit aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapons took off during a planned combat training flight from the Whitman Air Base (Missouri), covering a distance of about 13 thousand miles, and successfully hit conditional targets at one of the landfills in South Korea. Stealth stealth aircraft took off as part of the Foal Eagle military exercises conducted by the US and South Korean forces from March 1 to April 30.

    CAN IT NOT WE?
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US April 6 2013 17: 43 New
      0
      Yes, they respect the DPRK, as many as two sent .....
  • de klermon
    de klermon April 6 2013 17: 44 New
    0
    Why should the Americans comment? If they spotted the Tu-22, conditionally destroyed, they would surely have boasted ... And so ... Confirm that their missile defense facility can be conditionally destroyed? But who will give them money for this missile defense if their 30-year-old bomber effortlessly, within the framework of ordinary combat training, albeit conditionally, but destroy ...
  • savastyanov
    savastyanov April 6 2013 19: 28 New
    0
    our pilots are well done !!
  • APASUS
    APASUS April 6 2013 20: 37 New
    0
    The adversaries froze .............. !!!
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 6 2013 21: 22 New
    +1
    A trifle, but nice! good
  • Ascetic
    Ascetic April 7 2013 02: 10 New
    +1
    royal fleet
  • Marconi41
    Marconi41 April 7 2013 02: 46 New
    0
    !!! With "encounters" of probable partners, emitation always occurs. Some emit an attack, others intercept. In the days of the USSR, there were quite frequent cases of similar actions between our and American submarines. They ran for hours after each other, “attacked,” “dodged,” and then changed places.
  • deman73
    deman73 April 7 2013 08: 03 New
    0
    The good news is, I think, if the amers just now said that an attack was simulated by them, then they overslept
  • rokki
    rokki April 7 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    Training is necessary.
  • dld35057
    dld35057 April 7 2013 23: 08 New
    -2
    sorry that is not the topic. I dumped from Windows to Linux so let’s help to fill up the super giant quietly and not noticeably. just get down from Windows. we will help bend the super spy on our resource.
  • as3wresdf
    as3wresdf April 8 2013 09: 59 New
    0
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation on this site twitlink.ws/baza and most importantly did something like searching for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phone numbers, place of work, and what’s worst is even mine exposure of photos (I don’t know where from ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as “hide data”, of course I took advantage of it and I advise everyone not to hesitate,
  • Citizen
    Citizen April 9 2013 12: 32 New
    0
    definitely good news
  • WOTP
    WOTP April 9 2013 19: 41 New
    +1
    The combat mission of Long-Range Aviation is clearly defined and based on the delivery of a nuclear nuclear strike on targets in the territory of a likely enemy, or on aircraft carrier multipurpose groups and ships with missile defense elements. The combat training is based on combat training to carry out a combat mission. In this case, the American media were not mistaken ... Frequent flights to neutral waters are necessary.
  • WOTP
    WOTP April 9 2013 20: 26 New
    +1
    I explain to amateurs, there are 4 degrees of combat readiness, at the extreme, when the launch of ballistic missiles by the enemy has not yet been made, other types of aviation in the engine start mode-Long-range Aviation takes off.
    1. eagle11
      eagle11 April 10 2013 15: 12 New
      0
      Strange, in fact, we were always a little jealous of the dalniks, according to the "war" the flight crew went to sleep.