Source: Russian bombers imitated striking US missile defense targets

Russian strategic bombers imitated striking cruise missiles at a number of US missile defense targets off the coast of Japan, the Washington Free Beacon reported on Friday, citing US military sources.

The incidents were recorded by American intelligence-gathering systems located in the region in February, but even at the Pentagon they became known only now, writes publication author Bill Hertz, known for his ties to the special services and the US Department of Defense.

According to this information, the February Tu-22M 26 bomber imitated the launch of a cruise missile on a destroyer of the US Navy, equipped with the Aegis missile defense system, off the coast of Japan.

Another incident, according to sources, occurred on February 27. Tu-22M has worked striking a cruise missile at a missile defense facility in Japan. The publication reminds that in the north of Japan there is an American X-band missile defense radar.

Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information.

Interfax does not have a comment on these messages from the Russian military department.

Comments

[esaul]

What, so straightforwardly ours declared - "Simulated strikes on the objects of the American missile defense system?"
Oh! I DON'T, however ...! I understand that strategists' strikes against the pirate aircraft carriers of Somalia were simulated, and the journalists caught up with the defenselessness of the missile defense system. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, CHO to be shy? If it was officially announced - "Against missile defense", it means that they made it clear - "You are tired of your Aegis! Flicker-flicker here ..."

[LeXXSkAt]

I don’t understand the fool only one thing. Well, why imitate? There is no reason, frank provocation, too ... Is it not a duck ento? Although I would like to be really scared ... (sorry fathers for punctuation, I just want to write what I think ...)

[Mitek]

LeXXSkAt as a source of information written Amerov Internet publication. You were right, there was no reason, but there was no blow. There was an ordinary study. I have a counter question, but is there a reason for deploying missile defense and intelligence infrastructure around Russia? In general, there were more likely scouts. Such targets are attacked by a group.

[LeXXSkAt]

Well, as if I were just quoting .... I myself have nothing to do with flyers, so I wanted to find out how realistic ....

[vezunchik]

A detachment of Pacific Fleet ships with a large anti-submarine ship / BPC / Admiral Panteleev will perform a number of combat training missions in the Mediterranean as part of the inter-naval group of the Navy. One of the main points of the long-distance trip plan for the BDK detachments “Admiral Nevelsky” and “Peresvet” will be the delivery of goods to Syrian Tartus in the second half of May, ”the source said.

Since the Pacific Fleet forces did not participate in the January inter-naval exercises of the Navy in the waters of the Black and Mediterranean Seas, it was decided to postpone their combat interaction with groups of ships of other fleets within the framework of the permanent operational formation in the Mediterranean Sea for the summer period, a source at the General Headquarters explained.

A detachment of Pacific Fleet ships embarked on a long voyage from Vladivostok on March 19 to carry out combat service tasks in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

“The reserve of the detachment also included the Oslyabya BDK, whose participation in the ocean voyage was not required,” the source noted. According to him, in addition to the Syrian Tartus, Russian ships will call at the ports of a number of other states in the region, including Vietnam and Iran.

According to the Office of the Press Service and Information of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, a detachment of Pacific Fleet ships consisting of Admiral Levchenko, BDK Admiral Nevelsky and Peresvet, the Fotiy Krylov ocean rescuer, and the Pechenga sea tanker were heading towards Suez channel, its passage through the channel is scheduled for mid-May.

[TekhnarMAF]

Question. Is there a TOFE BOD "Levchenko"? In the back rows are summed up!

[alexng]

Probably in this way they deliver something interesting to Syria just in case, if they suddenly decide to arrange or land a NATO force without a flight zone. I do not think that ours is not preparing any surprise for the arrogant Saxons in this country.

[VAF]

Quote: Mitek

In general, there were more likely scouts. Such targets are attacked by a group.

There is a mature idea in your koment, that's just .... the scout never attacks the target, because his task is to carry out additional reconnaissance of the target before hitting the strike group.
It is embarrassing another that amero-yups freely detect the operating frequencies of airborne PNA and can determine the operating frequencies of the PMG missile station (it is clear that they operate at training frequencies) but still.
Well, as regards tactical missile launches, it has always been so everywhere and for the "target" you can take any object, even sea, even land.
That's just how "miraculously" it was with the help of the PNA it was possible to "isolate" practically no radar object in the form of a radar ... it's just ... fantastic



Well, about the 3 missiles ... only at the SHOW on static, and sometimes in the transportation version (empty)

[stranik72]

I think that all the frequencies at which our stations work, TU-95, Tu-22, Tu-160, as well as on the MiG-29, SU-27, MiG-31 and even the REB-e air defense and much they know another, all these machines and radiators remained in Ukraine, 31 were in Kazakhstan, etc., and we have full of traitors. Replacing these stations was not as far as I know and is not planned, so in this regard, not everything is gut. .

[VAF]

Quote: stranik72

I think that all the frequencies at which our stations work

This is not entirely true, because. the frequency tuning range of the magnetron is very large and in .. "everyday" work, completely different ranges are used. although after a certain period of time these ranges will be "studied".

And so, in principle .. everything is true +! But the enemy will need a large concentration of electronic warfare and electronic warfare, which also become the object of attack!

It is here that such a criterion as a necessary outfit of forces and means "pops up", but with this .. "case" we have after the "reforming" oh how ... tight

[ekzorsist]

That's about the Kazakhs, you are probably very - very right .... these will not be sold for a smell of tobacco ... they also need a tanga nada ...

[Petropavlovsk]

Quote: ekzorsist

That's about the Kazakhs, you are probably very - very right .... these will not be sold for a smell of tobacco ... they also need a tanga nada ...

Not ashamed, huh? Why are you talking about Kazakhs? You yourself are a traitor.

[Geisenberg]

There is a reason. Amers always have a reason for everything. It’s a shame that a Russian plane imitated a blow when it’s necessary to shove some kind of nasty option for cutting the budget ....

[VAF]

Quote: Geisenberg

There is a reason. Amers always have a reason for everything.

I agree, +! Moreover, with the current reduction in Amer’s military budget .. soon, our flights in a circle will be considered an exercise in delivering missile strikes on everything that they have!

That's just for the news .. "modestly" keep silent "ours, that in Ryazan .." burned "on the ground just repaired Tu-95MS, which flew after the CWR only 24 hours.
Aircraft board number 21 can not be restored ....... i.e. everyone stupidly waited and looked .. as he smokes, and then burns.
And these were scheduled flights, all the forces on duty at Tov !!!
And here you are "talking" about omnipotence, yes we are them, but now they are .....!

Here he is on a test flight back in Taganrog in December 2012



And by FACT-MINUS one of the combat-ready Tu-95MS .... these are ... "pies with kittens"!

[Wedmak]

Hello, Sergey. For such a trial must be given.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

Hello, Sergey. For such a trial must be given.

Hi Denis! Yeah, situyuyevina is not pleasant ... here you remember the answer to that argument .. when everything about the impact of repairs to aircraft factories .....
And the plane is already years old. ....... 1982 release.

Here is a photo of the fully front cockpit .... or rather, what remains after the fire

[Wedmak]

Yes, here’s the smoke for you ... How was it taken from the repair then? Thoughts of sabotage creep in.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

How was it taken from the repair then?

How was it received? As always ... after all, acceptance is carried out only within the limits of checking the operability and functioning of all systems, but without opening the panels, and you will look into those compartments .. why? all the blocks are in place. fixed. the connectors are docked, nothing dangles, etc. ... that's all acceptance, but what is .. inside .... it can only show an "opening".
Here and "climbs" all sorts of crap .. after a period of time.
You would know what the technical staff in Engels says, after the "arrival" of the swans from Kazan ...... out of 5 words, 7-mate ..... months later .. "restore" after .. "high quality "repair.
Yes, and not only for Swans ... for all equipment so ....... repair .. it is .. repair .. in theory one thing, but in practice .......!
Therefore, flights are always planned .. first at the factory, and then upon arrival at the unit .... MANDATORY!

[Wedmak]

Sergey, and your personal opinion: where and how to repair aircraft? Briefly at least.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

and your personal opinion: where and how to repair aircraft? Briefly at least.

Denis, but we discussed this topic a month ago, when the idea was first voiced to take away the repair functions and give them .. to aircraft builders!
Then I was categorically against .. since repairmen and aircraft builders are ... in general, different specifics!
The equipment should be repaired at specialized factories, which we still have, but the truth is with personnel there is no longer .. ale ..... because. after the transition to federal state unitary enterprises and the liquidation of foxes practically .... salaries fell and the people ... "ran" on free bread!

[zvereok]

This, and the factories do not provide a guarantee? For example, in our factory, the former commander of a unit, he will shove the materials for the supplier to the supplier for the revealed fraud. And what is interesting is changing and money is being returned.

[Simon]

Did you carry out the investigation?

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Here is a photo of the fully front cockpit .... or rather, what remains after the fire

You won’t look without tears. And as I understand it, it is not possible to restore it?

[VAF]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

And as I understand it, it is not possible to restore it?

The preliminary conclusions of the commission of the Ministry of Defense and Design Bureau .... recognized as not purposeful, because. in fact, it is necessary to put all completely new "stuffing" (for all systems) and the price .. "climbs out" like a practically new plane (only without engines and propellers)!

[Wedmak]

Well, since everything is so bad, maybe ... twist the engines, fix the lining, paint, put the breadboard models and the museum!
I wonder if it is possible to arrange excursions from the inside. Every boy dreams of sitting at the helm of such an airplane. Not to cut everything ....

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

maybe ... twist the engines, fix the lining, paint, put the breadboard models and the museum!

So most likely it will be .. they shoot everything "alive" (engines, propellers, aircrafts, any piping, tanks, pumps, etc., etc.), but the monument there are already so many everywhere that ... to put ... nowhere!
Moreover, in Diaghilevo there are already monuments of the Tu-95s in the museum!

[Wedmak]

In the context of the supply. This is hardly where there is. Moreover, you get two halves.

[VAF]

Quote: Wedmak

In the context of the supply.

In the context of all this .. in the sense that in all pulp and paper circuits and PLCs of all kinds of aviation there are full-scale stands of all systems, including engines and everything ... in the context!

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

There is an opinion that it is impossible to put units from emergency vehicles on board, there is a "memory of the accident" bad omen !!! If memory serves, according to my moymu there was even a ban on installation, even the fasteners removed from the units, if only went to the "national economy"!

[VAF]

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

There is an opinion that it is impossible to put units from emergency vehicles on board, there is a "memory of an accident" a bad omen !!

There is such a belief ... but no more than ...... they put everything and how. and even more so after the car CWR!

Quote: SASCHAmIXEEW

If memory serves, according to my opinion, there was even a ban on installation, even the fasteners removed from the units, if only they went to the "national economy"!

Memory does not change at all, but ... it was before ... when there was no shortage in spare parts a priori, but now ... all the entrance goes ... well, in the "national economy and in .." personal "the needs are the same! +!

[zvereok]

For parts(((...

Below:
"
There is an opinion that it is impossible to put units from emergency vehicles on board, there is a "memory of the accident" bad omen !!! If memory serves, according to my moymu there was even a ban on installation, even the fasteners removed from the units, if only went to the "national economy"!
"

[Simon]

It’s a pity, we lose good equipment due to lack of care and sloppiness.

[zvereok]

It's a shame not so much that we lose (although this too), a shame that there is no responsibility.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Probably washed, the search went out, it happens ........

[755962]

Quote: vaf

And according to the FACTU-MINUS one of the combat-ready Tu-95MS

Hello hello .. I AM SHOCKED !!! What the .... I read the news and eyes on the forehead !!
In Ryazan "secretly" burned down a Tu-95 bomber, just repaired for 300 million


http://www.newsru.com/russia/06apr2013/tu95.html

MATYUGOV DOES NOT ENOUGH

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

In Ryazan "secretly" burned down a Tu-95 bomber, just repaired for 300 million

Hi, Zhenya ..... What can I say .. as always, we wanted to "wipe", but ...... the hat with "smoke" did not work .... but the very fact of the firemen's work ..... kills completely!

Well, he managed to fly in 24 hours, and was commissioned on December 28, 2012!

[755962]

So now you can't find the ends! They will find a switchman, as always, for an excuse. Conclusions ... And what conclusions? Eh .... "21"sorry crucifix ... c.

[VAF]

Quote: 755962

So now and do not find the ends!

They will find .... all the more there is a refusal .. the truth .. they describe in the media .. all through one place .. according to this article, the alternators failed after switching to on-board power and this is already on the executive , this procedure always happens after starting the engines ... but it turns out that they were on 2 generators of the APU ... "sawed" on the preliminary and executive ??? This makes no sense.....
And if there is a failure in the power system for any constant or variable .. then immediately ... all systems, both inertial and navigation, "fly" ... so the flight is postponed anyway .. if not .. "urgent" and you can to reinstall on the ZK, but you still need to stand still for 15 minutes, and then the accuracy will be so limp .. that .. for combat work and in the SMU .. no need .. solid .. "headache"!

[NickitaDembelnulsa]

Judging by the photo: Damage is not very critical. And we were told that there is no sense in Restoring! who to believe? And most importantly: For repair or For scrap?

[NickitaDembelnulsa]

Replace the nose can? Well, if this is impossible, you need to build a new one. Despite the complexity and cost.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

It burned clearly and the news about it is a secret ... No words ..... some gestures ....

[Mcsim]

Here is more detailed about this: http://news.mail.ru/incident/12633791/?frommail=1

[Wedmak]

And the photos are presented from somewhere ....

[carver]

They reported already, in any case, I saw this info.

[mch1950]

Whether or not it was, this, in my opinion, is secondary, primary to keep the people on their toes.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Mitek

Is there a reason for deploying missile defense and reconnaissance around Russia?

I think there is. Gulf of Peter the Great - ZRBD of our strategists. So the active (acceleration) section of the trajectory of ICBMs with RPKSN are in close proximity to the positions of the missile defense batteries located on the Japanese islands. During the threatened period, the amers will catch up with EM or CD with "Aegis" here. Therefore, their destruction will become part of the fleet's operations to ensure that strategic targets are being carried out.

[ramzes1776]

And what is the incident I do not understand ???

[Wedmak]

What is it !? Burned out! Strategist! There are so few of them left, and here is such a time .. And before PAK YES still saw and saw.

[VAF]

Quote: ramzes1776

And what is the incident I do not understand ???

Go up three comments and read it .. because you already wrote ..... the preliminary reason for the failure of the generators on the "variable", but because of what .. there can be many reasons!

[ramzes1776]

Quote: vaf

Another incident, according to sources, occurred on February 27. The Tu-22M has completed a cruise missile strike on a missile defense facility in Japan.

I'm talking about this so-called "incident".

[Garrin]

Quote: LeXXSkAt

I don’t understand the fool only one thing. Well, why imitate? There is no reason, frank provocation, too ... Is it not a duck ento? Although I would like to be really scared ... (sorry fathers for punctuation, I just want to write what I think ...)

Yes, these, any flight for simulating a strike are accepted. They believe that only us can be provoked.

[vadimus]

Nekhai are afraid of stsuki! And they know their place!

[Kolya]

The usual practice of fairy tales created is to explain why the Pentagon spends trillions of dollars of American taxpayers. Everyone in the world threatens the West and their democracy.

[Phantom Revolution]

You just need to say, these exercises are aimed at protecting against the Iranian nuclear threat, for the benefit of the United States and the whole world.)

[zanoza]

"The Russians are coming (flying)!"

This fear in the Americans, apparently, is already at the genetic level

[Genur]

Bombers checked the automation of laser weapon guidance. Something American intelligence does not finish

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Genur

Bombers checked the automatic guidance of laser weapons.

Where does this infa come from? Explain. Or as usual: "I feel in my gut ..."

[Joker]

Maybe they imitated, they don’t talk about everything to us, maybe our tricky plans of the Americans fell into our hands, and we decided to hint at them in this way.

[Alex45]

Why is there panic? Well, it burned out due to problems with the wiring, the main thing is that it was not in the air and the crew was not injured. Here is the fact that we have few "strategists" and until they are replenished, this is a shame. If we compare it with the accidents of combat aircraft in recent years, then Tu is a winner compared to the rest, despite its age. Well, there are emergency situations regardless of the quality and number of checks.

[Thunderbolt]

Yes, no one seems to panic, everything is simple: strategic aviation is one of the points of our "magic needle" against the hostile forces of the West. And in connection with the situation and the situation in the Russian Air Force in recent decades, each "board" counts, on the weight of gold of the highest standard. And here, one might even say so under the prevailing conditions, the new "strategist" burned out ....... Glory to God on takeoff, and not in heaven. All the pilots are alive, but there is no ship. the bitterness of this incident. THIS is my purely (as A. Platonov wrote in his Chevengur) opinion. In short, it’s good if the command takes care of proper equipment and the implementation of freelance algorithms of support services, it’s bad that the sun is still shining, but we have only one "Bear" NO

Quote: Alex45

Well, there are emergency situations

+ PE, less of us such PE.

[Dmitry_24rus]

So what? News of a sucker from a finger. NORMAL WORK (and hopefully constant) is in the army. Keep it up.

[albert]

Fear has big eyes. Probably just scouts flew. To attack important targets, the Tu-22m are used in a group.

[Wedmak]

Another source: What a pity that I just imitated.
What a cheap provocation?

[svp67]

Our planes performed the assigned training tasks, and everything else was "speculation" ... And this "news" is clearly from the same row with the "hype" around the "nuclear missile threat" of the DPRK, and the goal is one - to knock out money for the deployment of a new missile defense system ...

[omsbon]

If true, then it’s nice, and if not true, then the amers themselves fantasize all sorts of horrors!

[Gregazov]

This is an ordinary study. Such things - access to the area of ​​the alleged launch of cruise missiles were commonplace in the USSR Air Force. For example, the pilots of Semipalatinsk through the North Pole at least once a month went to the coast of Canada in the proposed launch area. The launch area was in neutral waters. No incident - just academic work. In addition to the regiments of Semipalatinsk in Long-Range Aviation, there were still regiments, so our doves of the world hung over the coast of North America almost every day.

[eagle11]

For guys from KSU, this is also almost everyday work. When there was SAC, they generally practiced the "giant spear" and we learned about it after a certain time, which was very frightening.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

There are still real comments on the site ....... ++++

[lewerlin53rus]

Everything is correct. It's not all the time to train at home "on cats". And our training and potential "partners" are warned. And they will deploy the missile defense system without it.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

It's not all the time to train at home "on cats".

Rekongnostsirovka called. Each crew, according to the memoirs of his father, went to the terra waters of Japan and studied. The sky flew a million to a million, and returned nothing is visible - fog, or a charge - and the tanks are empty ... Yes ...

[djon3volta]

Well, the crew had a training launch, well, I looked at how the enemy ship looks on the screen of the on-board radar and what? And wow .. what? Nothing, sometimes useful. But the Air Force got a couple more trained crews! By the way, if you let the Tu-22m into the launch distance, no missile defense will not help !!! The end is guaranteed!

[LeXXSkAt]

It’s just not clear what the hell 22 worked ... I’m an earthen slider, but Dad called other machines to work about such objects .... (According to comments like there are flyers .. Dad flew the MIG-25br)

[Wedmak]

Strange your dad was telling ... Can they be mixed up? It is on such objects that the 22nd work. Moreover, the group.

[LeXXSkAt]

Well, unfortunately, I was not the best son, and I quarreled with Dad ... that's why I am confusing ... It seemed to me (though this is the speculation of a tankman) that such assaults or bombers like su-34 should go for such work .... I therefore asked sorry specialists if faq (

[Wedmak]

You, as a tanker, have named your main flying enemies. Well, helicopters and ATGMs still, but this is not about them. Distances at sea are large, so attack aircraft (Su-25) and front-line bombers (Su-24/34) are usually not poked into the sea. They work more on the earth. But the Tu-22M / M2 / M3 is already heavy long-range aviation. Multimode, supersonic long-range missile bomber.
The Americans are still afraid of him.

[LeXXSkAt]

Thank. It became a little clearer .... And then, recently, instead of interpreting, take it and do it (

[svp67]

I support, it's a pity that only these are "single" "Backfires", and not as part of a flight, squadron, regiment ...

[Thunderbolt]

Well, I heard that in the 70s, several regiments flew to the Mediterranean Sea, and even Tu-16 NATO radars were jammed. 300 missiles at a time. It's a pity there are no "films" about those cases, documentary chronicles in the public domain. Our Mediterranean squadron The bullet is strong with an air component, and the pilot said that he flew with the knowledge that if someone was shot down, the rest would break through to the target and the task would be completed.

[Romn]

The campaign is another mulberry in American newspapers, to once again show how bad this Russia is, and to confirm the decision that it is necessary to deploy missile defense and air defense in the Pacific region!

[evgenii67]

Hello everyone! "Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information."

Interfax has no commentary on these reports from the Russian military department. " that is, perhaps just a "duck", if not a duck, then for sure the Russian side will answer that these are just scheduled flights.

[LeXXSkAt]

Damn .... I’m tormented by the question ... If it really was like n ...... you realized that this was not just a planned flight, but an imitation of a launch ....? It’s one thing, they flew nearby (well, even at a distance of launching missiles), and another recorded capture of the target ... If the enemy is aware that he is in sight, then ent is not buzzing ...

[djon3volta]

Quote: evgenii67

that is, perhaps just a "duck"

why immediately "duck", here is the source, the American site reebeacon.com/russian-bomber-roulette/ there and the comments of American politicians. If you have a google chrome browser, it will translate into Russian and read it.

"Russia continues to launch an aggressive training missile offensive in the Pacific against the US and NATO forces," McInerney said.

“We have to understand that they view the reset differently than we do,” said a retired three-star general who once commanded forces in Alaska. "They see it as restoring the USSR's former position as a superpower while this administration is moving towards unilateral disarmament."

Eric Edelman, Under Secretary of Defense for Political Affairs at the George W. Bush Administration, said it was difficult to assess why the Russians had simulated the strike.

Edelman said the routes' practice could be "demonstrating continued opposition in Russia and fanning their hostility towards US missile defense deployments around the world."

and so on.

[LeXXSkAt]

Duc before hanging up 5 times rechecked ... But as above and wrote where did our "friends" infa for the fact that it was an attack, and not just a passage?

[sergey32]

Amers must have included their logic. Why did our kerosene burn so much just for the ride?

[Ragnarek]

sorry imitated

[patsantre]

Are you all so anxious to become nuclear ashes with the whole world?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Ragnarek

sorry imitated

Nikolay! Popular wisdom, collected in proverbs, says: "A thin world is better than a good quarrel." Especially for our people, who sacrificed so many lives in the Great Patriotic War. I am sure that if the amers rolled out a fascist armored fist on a blumeng, and not the Japanese, they would have a slightly different attitude to the war.

[spy master]

Uplifting news)

[Gorchakov]

They imitate, for now, and do it right ... !!! We also need an imitation in Washington, so that we do not consider ourselves invulnerable and untouchable ... It's time to put these insoles in a stall. The more imitations, the more they will respect. !!!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Gorchakov

I still need an imitation of Washington, so that they would not consider themselves invulnerable and untouchable ... It's time to put these insolent stallions.

The Navy does it periodically. By order of the GSH (for multipurpose), our submarines periodically float at the terra waters of amers. They have all the 3 miles. And scare yachts under the striped flag ... there are no PLO ships nearby: boats not 100% are tracked by amers ... So a sobering shower is sometimes the way.

[awerkiev]

type indicated their weaknesses ?!

[Wedmak]

No, indicated potential goals. So that the rolls do not relax.

[family tree]

Eric Edelman, Under Secretary of Defense for Political Affairs at the George W. Bush Administration, said it was difficult to assess why the Russians had simulated the strike.

That is, the deputy defense minister, is not Copenhagen in matters of defense? Although, not surprisingly, their MO, it’s high time to rename the Ministry of Attack

[sader]

as I understand it was an imitation of approach to the target

[Ruslan_F38]

Here amers probably put in their pants from fear! And now they are pretending to be in the know, everything was under control).

[Doctor Evil]

How could a single Tu-22 simulate a missile attack on a destroyer? He lay down on a combat course and turned on the sight? Did the "Aegis" record the fact / parameters of the "attack"? The pilots contacted the destroyer on the international channel and thanked for the joint exercises, a record of the negotiations with the ship and the ground command post is attached? If not, then the American Internet newspaper is lingering.

[Wedmak]

Add options: 1) Fantasy of Americans 2) Panic of Americans 3) Give us more money, otherwise bad Russians will soon be able to break up AUG with one plane!

[Doctor Evil]

The third option is the most relevant in my opinion. And comrade Kim Jong-un is rattling weapons on the topic like that. Have you already reached an agreement with him at the Pentagon?

[lazy]

I vote for version number 3 "give me money"

[VAF]

Quote: Doctor Evil

How could a single Tu-22 simulate a missile attack on a destroyer?

Elementary! Everything is in order of "combat training"!

Quote: Doctor Evil

He lay down on a combat course and turned on the scope?

In peacetime, the PNA airborne locator operates in a semicircular or sector-wide mode continuously, because self-driving (in fashion-navigation) is carried out, but here's how to determine the work of a rocket locator .. here it is .. a question!

[eagle11]

Of course, he could not imitate, before attacking, you need to know his exact coordinates, but such coordinated actions (reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, planning a departure taking into account reconnaissance data) on real ISIS ships are no longer included in the "training" program.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

Of course, he could not imitate before attacking, you need to know his exact coordinates,

If you are for the X-55 missiles, then this is not true, because. target coordinates can be entered promptly after target detection and its "decryption"!

Here we are talking about Tu-22M3 and X-22 missiles .. for this you need to know the target search area presumably, and then .. just the same .. quickly and target detection, its classification, determination of coordinates and their entry into the NK- 45 for further target designation of the PMG rocket station.

Quote: eagle11

but such coordinated actions (reconnaissance, additional reconnaissance, planning a departure taking into account intelligence data) on real ISIS ships are no longer included in the "training" program.
Reply Citiro

Not true ... everything is included and everyone is preparing, though not in those .. "volumes", and even then ... more theory than practice ... since ... the hardware is already ... very few

[eagle11]

What can I say, it means there are, some other Russian Air Force, where the ACIG ships attack, not the ones I serve in :)

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

it means there are some other air forces of the Russian Federation where the SSIG ships attack, not those in which I serve

Well, what would I need to talk about this topic .. where do you serve
Although the places ... on the fingers of one hand can be counted, where there are ... flying and "live" Tu-22M3 with ... operational crews!

[eagle11]

I remember how long and stubbornly they searched for AUG, with a heart in the shape of a "Kitty Hawk", found it, took a picture, but (information for reflection) a brigade was used to complete the task, he was put on duty, intelligence of the Far Eastern Military District and Pacific Fleet, they helped as they could .. And then find a destroyer in the sea ...

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

And then find the destroyer in the sea ...

Not so "long ago" ..... the 52nd regiment, as part of a pair ... in the Black Sea .. "found !, as you say..amers .. in 1,5 hours!

And no problem ... the main thing is to know the area ... it is clear that the Black "puddle" is not an ocean, but .....

[eagle11]

I can imagine the reaction of a destroyer to an attack in neutral waters, so the "Standard" missile defense system can be got in the belly, especially using the X-22, it is not always possible to realize the maximum launch range, there are many factors.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

I can imagine the reaction of the destroyer to the execution of an attack in neutral waters, and the SAM "Standard" can be got in the belly, especially using the X-22

Well, for this, your Standard should at least .. fly to the missile carrier

After all, it is "stupid" to carry out launches from a low altitude, when from a high altitude, you can freely (theoretically) rc launch from D 320-340 km!

Quote: eagle11

it is not always possible to realize the maximum launch range, there are many factors.

Here I agree completely, +!

Quote: eagle11

especially using the X-22

And what rockets can you still suggest for the destruction of ships with the Tu-22M3

[eagle11]

Yes, about the range of 320-340 km, it is very interesting, but for what purpose? If AUG, then yes, perhaps, but for the destroyer? And at what range will detection occur, and even more so recognition and classification? And something tells me. that you also want to bullet YaBCh. And the range of the latest missiles is impressive. As well as EW tools, which every 10 years, are qualitatively improved. And we have at the level of the late 70s.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

Yes, about the range of 320-340 km, it is very interesting, but just for what purpose?

1. I report: absolutely real D launches for combat (rather than broken-up training) missiles with preliminary alignment of the PMG station with PNA.
There is so much "foolishness" in the PNA PRD that on Scale I, in the review mode, a radar target with an EPR of 150 sq. Meters is freely "allocated", at D 400 km the navigator freely finds ts.105, which is an ordinary set of corner reflectors 1mx1m in the amount of 10 as well as left-right marker and ECP.
So at D 360 km it’s already realistic to take any target at least single, at least group.
The only drawback is the resolution of the PNA, because if the ships go in tight formation, it will be a single illumination from the target, but ... this is not a parade, but .. a war?
2. Well, I wrote about the ranges, but with the classification here, yes .. the problem (if according to the AUG), only by the precisely known coordinate and knowledge of the order of the traveling and deployed orders, well, or they rely on the experience of the navigator, who can classify the target as the main (not confuse with false, this is really a problem) .Well, it’s understandable to a friend or foe .. SRZO has not been canceled yet!
3. I was never going to "shoot" with YABCH, tk. there is no need for any aiming at all, so to know the approximate coordinates and, without switching on the radiation of the PNA (stealth mode) in the PLP (floating spot) mode, make target designation by KU and D and pressurize the battery and .. the release.
All this can be done practically on the D 550 km-rocket only with the PSI head.
With the "practical" launch of these missiles, with PSI (102 and 108), the target size is a square of 10x10 km, with a lateral side of 2 + 8 km (in range). Getting into this area .. the estimate is excellent, and the power (real) in CT allows 2 to drown EVERYTHING within a radius of 200 km at least!
4. I completely agree about the enemy's electronic warfare and electronic warfare equipment, but I described the case when the flight is performed at altitudes of 8-10 thousand meters, the speed is 900 km / h, the target is single, the electronic warfare is not identified or "stupidly" did not have time k. from the moment of detection to the moment of launch for missiles from the PMG takes 1-1,5 minutes!

[eagle11]

Within a radius of 200 km? Today there is no reference book at hand, tomorrow I will ask the "chemical smoke". His chair. The radio horizon range, for an altitude of 10 m, is 000 km, how can manipulations be done at D 412 km? What about search? How to do it? When the Kitty Hawk was searched for, so many pictures of Japanese and Chinese ships were hidden ...

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

The range of the radio horizon, for an altitude of 10 m, is 000 km, how can manipulations be done at D 412 km?

Do not read carefully ... I wrote to you ... in PLP mode ... here the square root of H in km X by 130 ... (radio horizon is your air defense term, we have a radar target visibility range) does not play any .. "pianos" .. everything is considered by the complex (NK-45 and by the coordinates entered in the BCVS forms the aiming mode and the control center)!

Finding a single ship at sea knowing its approximate coordinates is not difficult !!!

[eagle11]

If you are for the X-55 family missiles, then this is not true either, because. target coordinates can be entered promptly after target detection and its "decryption"! In general, the X-55 is not used for moving objects, and the guidance system is sharpened for other tasks.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

Actually, X-55 is not used for moving objects,

I specifically wrote ..."X-55 family" this time ... especially since he answered your comment about .... the impossibility, etc., and you .. "rudely" ripped out of context .... putting me ... not good

Moreover, missiles of the Kh-55 family with Tu-22M (2 and 3) were never used due to the design features of the airframe, and all the "dreams" remained on ... paper!

[eagle11]

So I misunderstood your koment, I apologize! I agree the 55th was used only with 95MS and 160.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: eagle11

Of course, he could not imitate before attacking, you need to know his exact coordinates,

Worked as it should. Well done! The exact coordinates you need to know up to the limit of data obsolescence. When GOS does not capture the area likely to find the target. (depends on the flight altitude of the KR, time of obsolescence of shooting data, etc.). The radar image (position of the SC) is seen by the navigator-operator on board the missile carrier. Reports to commander: in position volley start or not. The picture can be broadcast from VII (AES, KRLD, another aircraft, NK systems of the MRCTs "Success", "Legend", etc.). The data is transmitted to the "head" of the CD. Start. After passing the specified distance, the CD opens the GOS, which begins the search for the target. If the goal is a group goal, the logic of choosing the main goal is turned on. In order not to miss the LC, the head of the CD is multichannel (usually radar + IR + TV). To break through the air defense of the ship, the KR maneuvers in height, speed, direction. puts passive and active interference. I have seen a burning CD (which was almost shot down!) Continues to fly and hits the target! So with this we are still all right, BUT !!! there is no limit to improvement!

[eagle11]

I am writing this from practice. On Monday I will clarify who and how they worked, "on interaction"

[Doctor Evil]

Thank you for the clarification!

[elmi]

Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States? Indeed, even on the example of exercises, as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO planes are escorted, although for example we can guard part of the way with our fighters, but the fuel resource will not allow us to accompany our missile carriers for a long time, which means that you will have to fly alone, and this is a tidbit piece for NATO interceptors.

[Wedmak]

Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States?

It has a chance to fly, to launch rockets and topple whole to the base.

Indeed, even on the example of exercises, as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO planes are taken for escort

Not certainly in that way. NATO escort is only within the range of their fighters. In a combat situation, the strategist will not go there. His ammunition will fly there.

and this is a tidbit for NATO interceptors.

These interceptors still need to reach the strategist. The same Tu-95MS can circle in the waiting area, covered by our air defense for hours, until the right moment. And then fly to the launch area, shoot back and knock down before the interceptors appear there.

In other matters, in the event of a full-scale conflict, a slightly different weapon will fly to the territory of the United States.

[elmi]

Thanks for clarifying

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...

[elmi]

Quote: NOBODY BUT US

Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...

Who is this for your child? and where did you see the nonsense mister know-it-all? And blaming ignorant people in some areas is easier than simple, do you know everything? so let's debate to see how you are adult and all-knowing.

[astra]

Quote: NOBODY BUT US

Bullshit !!!!! I would not let the CHILDREN site here on the site of the site’s leaders ...

Clever man comment on what bothers you? you are such an adult that you know everything, while others are children, if something is poorly known. Think with your head before blaming a gaggle

[VAF]

Quote: elmi

In case of war, are our long-range aircraft likely to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to US territory?

Yes they have, the Tu-160-e and Tu-95MS, only not at the maximum launch range, but at the maximum range ...... but there is still a question at what depth on the enemy’s territory there are strike objects, because. if they are located deep in the territory, the missile carriers will be forced to approach the launch lines at which they can be intercepted by enemy air defense fighters!

Quote: elmi

as soon as we leave the borders of our airspace, NATO aircraft are taken for escort,

Only in cases where flights are carried out over neutral waters, but not far from the territorial waters of NATO countries, and so ... the range of air defense fighters is not enough

[elmi]

Thank. I read it like that at one time we were developing a strategic bomber with the possibility of going out into deep space, followed by a dive into the atmosphere to strike an enemy and retreat back into space. And it seems to me that Buran was somehow involved in this project, but in regret not brought to the end.

[Wedmak]

Of course involved .... More precisely, this is the answer to the American shuttle. If the Energia-Buran program had not been curtailed, then who knows what would have happened now. At least automatic "aircraft" for Earth-Orbit transportation. Let's remember, Buran flew and sat down ITSELF! And in a military sense ... At this point, fantasy can play out in earnest.

[eagle11]

I did not expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase "in case of war", there are already a lot of options, up to the destruction of the "long-range" at the airfield. But in any case: the Interceptors will be based on forward airfields, this is because, secondly, the enemy's airfield network is so developed (including in overseas territories) that there is simply no chance to fly out of the hiding place of their fighters and not be attacked. Thirdly, the existing reconnaissance system will unambiguously reveal the takeoff of our aviation and promptly bring the fighters to the line of interception. Fourth, all US fighters have a refueling system and the largest fleet of tankers, they can stay in the air for up to 8 hours (this is according to the analysis of conflicts).

[Wedmak]

about in any case: Interceptors will be based on advanced airfields

Where any tactical missile with a cassette warhead will cover them easily and naturally.

secondly, the adversary’s aerodrome network is so developed (including in the overseas territories) that there is simply no chance to fly beyond the limits of the fighter’s cover and not be attacked

The network of airfields is developed, here you are right. But what about the chances ... God forbid the radius of the interceptors 1500 km. A strategist can follow such a path that no infection can reach him.

Thirdly, the existing reconnaissance system will unambiguously open the take-off of our aviation and promptly bring fighters to the intercept line.

Intelligence satellites will be the primary target. To reach the interception line, you need to know the strategist’s route. Who would give his adversary ... Go find a strategist who flew out at night .. by the morning he already knows where the hell.

Fourth, all US fighters have a refueling system and the largest fleet of refueling tanks; they can be in the air for up to 8 hours (this is based on an analysis of conflicts).

Tankers are a very convenient target. And a cool firework turns out. This time. Secondly, something I doubt the physical capabilities of the pilots to sit in a cramped cockpit for 8 hours a day and wait until the strategist comes out on them. In addition, we also have a drying system refueling. So .. this is not an argument.

And you forgot about the Tu-160. His fighters cannot catch up! And it seems to me that it will be used primarily to suppress these very bases of interceptors, AUGs and other evil spirits.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Yes Anderson (Hans Christian) is resting ........

[elmi]

Quote: NOBODY BUT US

Yes Anderson (Hans Christian) is resting ........

And you, I see, then doused in pursuit of underwear

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Wedmak

And you forgot about the Tu-160. His fighters cannot catch up!

I was always sure that the Tu-95 for patrol, and the Tu-160 for a breakthrough to the launch line

[eagle11]

Name any tactical missile with a cluster warhead, which is in service with the RF Armed Forces and has a launch range that approximately corresponds to the range of the interceptor (no one will land them near the main group). The strategist will follow the trajectory when he is shot down, and so, in theory, he follows the route. If you, in reality, did the "Plan of Combat ..." at least for the KSHU, TU and so on. then a lot would become clear, for example, that there are not so many routes, and they are limited by a large number of factors, one of which is the very objects of impact.
WHAT are you planning to shoot down satellites? It’s just interesting, because I’ve been serving in the Air Defense Forces for two decades now, maybe I don’t know something, didn’t teach at the academies, hid it in the troops? The route is calculated, believe me it’s not difficult. Having the strength, intelligence and analytics of the enemy with a high degree of probability (more than 75%)
About where the refueling will be carried out, I hope you do not need to write? Even in Soviet times, no one was going to shoot them down. It was written "on the analysis of conflicts" at the limit of physical capabilities, but unfortunately the fact takes place.
What dryers (interceptors) besides five Su-30s have refueling, but I forgot about our refuellers, they are just huge, they don’t fit in Diagelovo, they are on the streets of Ryazan :) You don’t think correctly, the Tu-160 is used for other tasks.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

I did not expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase "in case of war", there are already a lot of options, up to the destruction of the "long-range" at the airfield.

Any person reasoning to the best of his knowledge and when it goes beyond his competence, then .......

Now your way ..... "competent"..answer:

1. List me the advanced enemy airfields in the area of ​​the North Pole, where will your interceptors start from to destroy our strategists?
2. Launch range of the KR X-101, I hope they all the same reach the air force units of 5500 km! Even the entire fleet of tankers, direct them all the same is not enough to try to create some kind of barrage zones at such a distance!
Well and so on

[eagle11]

How to write, so as not to interest the "competent authorities"? I will manage with the conceptual apparatus, without resorting to excerpts from the stamped ones. On the first question, of course, they are not at the Pole, but I assure you, on the approaches to Greenland, Alaska and Canada, fighters and AWACS will be on duty, unfortunately, we practically do not consider options for destroying our carriers before launching ASP. Like: "Why are you so, just a bayonet in the ground?" On the second, when they reach the troops, then we'll talk, let's proceed from the realities.
On "well and so on" at one time when I was a listener, I participated in a military game, which was attended by: representatives of the Air Force, the Air Defense Forces, the Main Command, 37 VA, KSpN (and 16 VA, which was then part of it). I learned a lot of interesting things, but most importantly I saw that the "schools" are very different in their understanding of certain issues. Yes, they are very strong in some, but in others ... I remember how the Commander of the 37th reported the decision, his teachers from the "opera" almost ate the "creators". I was amazed then, how could it be? Common truths (for a fluffier) ​​and not know? The fact is that, of course, we have available literature, in directions, and studied the "tactics of aviation formations" and "air defense formations", respectively. But, we understand everything based on our fundamental knowledge. Even now, serving together, we divide each other into guys from "Puvo" and "BBC", on the coordination of documents, "competent" officers, consider each other "fools". Again, there are very strong sides, and personally, I always consult certain "people" on certain issues. Despite the guiding documents, opinions are very different, but the decision, as you know, is made by one person (usually noo). I am very close in education, air defense tactics and I understand how it is created and what capabilities it has and how the "adversary's" SVKN work, too, I know. But even reading "rle", you don't always understand the real picture correctly. "Gena, you can do that? It's written here!" "Sanya, this is possible only if ... In general, it is not possible .." "How so?" "And so, based on experience ..." In general, it takes a long time to paint, when this is your job, "urapatriotism" passes quickly.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

How to write, so as not to interest the "competent authorities"?

What you wrote, absolutely everything is correct and true, +! This is exactly what happened in practice, and it certainly happens. ..nothing changes.
Well, the "secrets" of Polishenel are no longer of interest to the guys from the next door.
What I described above, in principle, is all "theory" or practicing in practice singly and in pairs, in practice everything is only in theory (package number 1 or number 2).
Once "tried" in reality .. "build" a maneuver in practice with 2 Tu-22M3 detachments under the cover of Su-27PD ..... I will not describe the result .... but no ice!
And this is during the day, at PMU. And the "Toadstool" in general .. did not find anything and the MiG-31, which played for the "enemy" .. knocked us down like .. "chickens"!

[elmi]

Quote: eagle11

Didn't expect such an incompetent answer, the key phrase "in case of war"

Well, how do you think I should have asked? do you think is better in peacetime?

[eagle11]

Sorry, but just in reality, options for use are being considered, one of which is in "peacetime"

[elmi]

Well, it’s understandable that in peacetime it is considered, but an attack on an enemy’s territory occurs only in wartime and not in peacetime.

[eagle11]

All options are made in advance, based on them, and tactics are built, combat training, you need to prepare for hostilities. Then, conflicts are different, therefore, asp, they are used differently. When usual, when yabch. And if they say "war", then according to the terminology, the third world immediately seems to me :)

[elmi]

Quote: eagle11

And if they say "war", then according to the terminology, the third world immediately seems to me :)

Me too )

[Boa kaa]

Quote: eagle11

there is simply no chance to fly beyond the confinement of their fighters and not be attacked.

No need to get excited and to be categorical in judgments, because our knowledge is limited. For example:
- YES routes run through the North Pole (not every bird NATOVSKAYA reaches the middle ... SLO);
- YES will act within the OPERATION (la-la-la) of the offensive forces, when the main mass of the airfields of the adversary will be suppressed;
- YES will hide behind a powerful interference component, aiming interference, in the range of operation of the interceptors firing radar, and so on ...
And one more thing: the launch line is not the maximum, but the so-called. "provided" range, which in calculations is taken as 0,75 of D max.
Strategists are not toys, and they will be used on JUDGMENT DAY, so there is no talk of peace. Our leadership did not oversleep, dispersed or lifted into the air - there will be something to answer. No - eternal memory to heroes! so "learn materiel!"

[eagle11]

Strategists can perform not only strategic tasks. I remember, I remember, about our obstacles and the capabilities of the enemy, believe me, the alignment is not in our favor.

[eagle11]

and so ... the range of air defense fighters is not enough
I remember how one "fine day" I came to take over duty in the famous Leningrad association. I look all sleepy in good shape. I ask: "What happened?" In response, a colleague pokes the "bastion" into RM "Do you see the" four "over Tallinn? It has been hanging for 6 hours, walking near the AWACS zone, before that there was one more link, but it went to low heights. Later, of course (when the summit NATO ended in Tallinn) a report came that the guys from Leukenhirt 48 AK were on duty there, they came to the F-15S and were on duty, measure the distance from Leukenhirt to Tallinn, and all questions will disappear.

[Wedmak]

Not the fact that they flew from that air base. Maybe they flew to the nearest airfield near Tallinn and were already patrolling from there.

[eagle11]

Do you badly think about the guys from the "office" flew from there. Therefore, we did not even have time to strengthen the air defense DS on time.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

a report came that the guys from Lakenhirt 48 AK were on duty there, came to the F-15C and were on duty, measure the distance from Lakenhirt to Tallinn, and all questions will disappear.

A life example, but ... not on the topic ... from Chkalovsk, the "remains" of the 678th Red Banner are raised on the Su-27PD and SM and that's all ... Avax and the F-15 will end

And for your information, our fighters went far beyond the Baltic, and when they were based in Poland, then in general .... the foggy Albion was all ... under control!

And on the topic ... I’ll repeat again .. take D start AKP and everything will fall into place!

[eagle11]

"Off-topic?" the whole story just in time for how far the duty zone can be.
About the remains ... Here I don’t understand at all, do you have any idea about the combat readiness and the organization of duty?
I will answer with facts. That "unfortunate day" was on duty, my "native" 159th Guards Fighter Novorossiysk Red Banner Order of Suvorov Aviation Regiment. More precisely, the "duty unit" was on duty, so it was called in the old fashioned way, tk. in fact, one crew was on duty in Goth. No. 3 and one in "reinforcement". Naturally, they began to strengthen the DS, and 177 iap and zrdn zrp were transferred to duty. But it took some time ... And you will raise ... And if they will "raise"? Those. set the task, to attack? The showdown was serious.
By the way, 159 giap, got into Besovets, just from Klyuchevo ... And my father served in his time in 16 giads, Pyutnits. So, "trohe" I know GSVG (ZGV) and SGV. And I went to school, in Uzin :)

[eagle11]

But, grandmother and grandfather lived on the outskirts of Vasilkov, which predetermined the "childhood dream", "strategists" and "refuellers" did not rave about. Su-25, MiG-23, 29 were not impressed in Pyutnitsa, but the Su-27 in Besovets, yes.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

Then I don’t understand at all, do you have any idea about the combat readiness and the organization of duty?

Well, how can I tell you .. I seem to have resigned from the post of deputy commander of the regiment, so .. a little "familiar" with the BG and the organization of shifts in the DZ

I don't know about you .... in 159 .... maybe based in Poland .. "relaxed", although he was personally acquainted with Mikhailov and he did not allow such as you write ...
In the DZ, LINK has always interceded .... a couple is always in readiness number 3 and a couple of "duty" forces, and strengthening .. is the allocation of another link or a whole squadron. When transferring to increased degrees of BG!

And in what "miraculous" way is your regiment from the territory of Poland from Kyuchevo .. "went" right up to Estonia ????? Or then already Besovtsa? So the same ... two bast shoes on the map!

I told you that the Baltic was a zone of responsibility of 689 Guards Iap from Chkalovsk (now only the squadron remained there)!

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And in what "miraculous" way did you from Besovtsa and Lodeynoye Pole, at a distance of more than 1000 km to the target, tried .... somewhere .. something .. to organize and .. "intercept" ????

[VAF]

Quote: vaf

The Baltic was a zone of responsibility of 689 Guards Iap from Chkalovsk (now only the squadron remained there)!

[eagle11]

Since you were, as I believe, a "pure" deputy, you know that the composition of the DS is determined by the commander, not as a regiment commander. And they are on duty even now, with exactly that composition, one crew ... And they go to the borders of Estonia, from Besovets, or not from Chkalovsk, they are guarding their "garden" and they are under the fleet, they simply interacted with them. Yes, almost 700 km, drove to the "ribbon" when ready (for the control of PN Island). What to do with "what are rich." There was 180 giap, but they finished in 2002, and they had a bg, they were on duty in g # 4, so to speak, just about now ... We were not taught to defend our homeland with such "fleets". Mikhailov left a long time ago, although it was he who led the regiment to Karelia. All my time serving in the West, Makarevich commanded the regiment.

[VAF]

Quote: eagle11

as I believe a "pure" deputy, then you know that the composition of the DS is determined by the commander,

You are mistaken ... The commander determines the REQUIRED ORDER OF DC in his area of ​​responsibility, but the interception of the necessary force and equipment is determined by the Combat Charter, and this is what the regiment commander is guided by when setting the task for the database!

Quote: eagle11

And they are on duty even now, with that very crew, one crew ..

well .. I don't know .... maybe .. "the pilots are over"? although materiel from 3 regiments should be enough.
Technically, photos are not attached ... otherwise it would clearly demonstrate what the duty link on the Su-27, Mig-31 and Mig-29 is.

Quote: eagle11

from Chkalovsk, those "guard their own garden" and they are under the fleet

Yes, they are practically naval, but the zone of their responsibility lies just along the entire border of the territorial waters of the Baltic states up to the Northern neighbors!
And Avax and GSTI, as you write, just hung in that area.

Well, not 700 km, but 800, and then from Lodeynoye Pole, but from you, from Besovets .. more than 1000 km, and = probably in the zone .. Do you need to "stand"?

Well, I quit in 1999, so we still had normal DS and full DZ and regular databases with practical sorties to intercept, and to check the air defense system!

[eagle11]

What you are writing, unfortunately, was long ago, now in the order of the Commander of the Air Force and Air Defense Command, it is specifically indicated how much and what is in what readiness, at which airfield and from which part, and in the appendix there are suspension options. All the orders below, just pull out their own, well, and deepen it a little. From the bottom, only suggestions are given based on the level of training and basic technique. The photo can be viewed in Google Earth, the same demon, DZ on s-v to the right of the runway. A couple of times they were on duty in Siversky, a full-fledged link, for the summit and the 300th anniversary, they even organized a watch in the air (from Lodeyka). I don’t understand, where is 800 km? I wrote, from Bes to the Island, 700 km. I hope you don’t think that HFA will be in "neutral"? And how do you imagine the "sailors" on duty in the Baltic at such a distance? We have a "cord model", we sit on a "radar needle". And who will manage the crews there? Yes, and "neutral" in the Gulf of Finland in one place reaches up to 4 km ("sailors" when they flew bypassing, then the Finns, then the Estonians "visit"). Before you quit your job, we’ve already finished Mon and the Orlr on Gogland. And as for the range in general, you probably remember how Valera Troyanov from Lodeyka made a "courtesy call" So he flew from Lodeyka, (walked in a mixed group) reached almost to Bornholm, turned around, stitched through Kaliningrad, and for another 50 minutes rushed around Lithuania and with the remainder of 150 kg, came out of the "drying", of course the suspension was "2 + 2". But still. Even when they drove from the DZ to Latvia when ready (with "4 + 6"), they still had to turn circles along the route up to "1500kg".

[Garrin]

VAF ,
Thanks for the wonderful photos and comments. I enjoyed.

[Odysseus]

Quote: elmi

Explain to me the amateur, in case of war, do our long-range aviation have a chance to fly to the maximum distance for launching missiles to the United States?

If the Americans strike first, then our YES (in its current state) will be destroyed at the bases.
If we are the first to strike (that is, we will have time for preparation), then there are chances.
But, in general, YES is best used against Europe, China and Japan.
In the United States, the Strategic Missile Forces and SLBMs operate primarily.

[VAF]

Quote: Odyssey

If the Americans strike first, then our YES (in its current state) will be destroyed at the bases.

Odyssey. Greetings! Well let's hope so. what have not yet ... forgotten with this re-formation ... what is the threatened period and dispersal? (I consciously lower the exit from under the blow)!

[Odysseus]

Quote: vaf

Odyssey. Greetings! Well let's hope so. what have not yet ... forgotten with this re-formation ... what is the threatened period and dispersal? (I consciously lower the exit from under the blow)!

Welcome back
Well, if reconnaissance on time reveals preparations for an attack, and the political leadership is not afraid to give a command, it may be possible to disperse.
But, sorry, to be honest, I do not believe in the possibility of our YES to survive in the first blow.
Who will disperse? Do we have many suitable aircraft ready to take off on alarm?
And where ? Hop airfields are not covered by air defense.
And then you still have to hang up the X-55 with YBCh.

[VAF]

Quote: Odyssey

But, sorry, to be honest, I do not believe in the possibility of our YES to survive in the first blow.

Incidentally, I do not believe the same thing even now, because at this stage of dispersal airfields .. generally a minimum-minimurum, and if we take into account only the runway and the RSO, and about the provision and especially the armament ... we won’t better

Quote: Odyssey

And then you still have to hang up the X-55 with YBCh.

This is only when the BG is brought to an increased degree, and when the real exit from under the blow .. no suspensions, oi OSB, NIYASP .. with what you have with that and fly, even at the "operational" refueling.

Almost like on the duty link ... the team and ... came running. jump into the cup and launch.
True, the flight time from the territory of Germany to us was about 25-40 minutes, so when such a team arrived at Chechery time (i.e. we are all at home), it was at least surprising, because. gathering in ZVS in 45 minutes after a signal!

[eagle11]

In general, we now set the task in 50 minutes, with a signal ... Not surprisingly.

[eagle11]

Yes, it is the availability of time, the most important thing in the "conclusions from the assessment ..."

[Averias]

Something I did not understand. Ours first built the missile defense mock-ups fully sized, placed them near the borders of Japan, and then sank? And the West was invited in the form of spectators. So what. Some kind of nonsense.

[Wedmak]

Ours first built the missile defense mock-ups fully sized, placed them near the borders of Japan, and then sank?

Judging by the message, the role of missile defense mockups was performed by real missile defense objects.

[AleksUkr]

And who else to train? On their already trained with the help of the great strategist Taburetkin. LET'S REMEMBER OF OURS. BE AWAKEN!

Even during the war, the Americans repeatedly extended the "hand" of friendship to our pilots, shot down several of our aircraft. But ours did not remain in debt. The score was in our favor. But friendship was especially manifested during the war in the DPRK.
One example:
Hero of the Soviet Union, ace pilot, Air Force Colonel Evgeny Georgievich Pepelyaev is our outstanding compatriot with an amazing fate. Despite the fact that his name is inscribed in the Guinness World Records on the number of enemy jet aircraft shot down, he, unfortunately, is little known in our country. Evgeny Pepelyaev - The Great Soldier of the Great State!
He was born on March 18, 1918 in Bodaibo, Irkutsk Region. Learned to fly in the Odessa flying club. In 1936 he was drafted into the army. He served in the 300th Fighter Aviation Regiment in the Far East. He flew on the I-16. In the fall of 1943, he completed 12 sorties on the Yak-7 on the Belorussian Front. Thrice participated in air battles. Returning to the 300th IAP, in August 1945 he fought on the Yak-9T with the Japanese. Fulfilled 30 sorties. Member of the Korean War. In 1956 he graduated from the General Staff Academy and was appointed commander of the 133rd IAD. He retired in 1973 with the rank of colonel. The hero of the USSR.
"I shot down 23 US Air Force planes!"
- After two months of fighting, we fought group battles mainly with the Sabers. Usually, from 12 to 35 fighters participated in such a battle on each side. The Americans really wanted to restore their air supremacy, but they reacted painfully to their losses and often pulled out of the battle. My flight book contains 108 sorties and 39 air battles. I shot down 23 planes in total. Among them are two F-94 Starfires, one F-80 Shooting Star, one F-84 Thunderjet, and the rest F-86 Saber. All of these aircraft from the US Air Force.

[Boa kaa]

Alexander Borisovich! Thank you, strong example! for youth forum! And then you look at the box and all the heroes are striped, and our kind is second-rate!
I would only like to add: IN Kozhedub opened the score for the downed amers. He personally told about this in the Aviation Museum in Monino to us, young officers of the fleet. And he said that it was necessary to add 62 more stars to 2 stars for the "black, curly-haired pilots" who flew the Mustangs shot down over Berlin. Our famous ace did not speak about other victories. BUT! rummaged in the internet and stumbled upon http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1084484400, where they "open" my eyes: not 2, but 5 amers, Ivan Nikitich filled up! I think every victory is a feat! But in 1986, in a private setting for "favorite sailors", he talked a lot and interestingly, but he never remembered about the 3 flying fortresses. But this is never forgotten! If you know something on this issue, do not count it for work: throw it on my box. With respect. I.

[amp]

Why imitate? Embed on these missile defense systems, let’s see what the money of American taxpayers went for.

[Wedmak]

Why again put the world on the brink of nuclear war?
Even if they do not use nuclear weapons, the USA can respond with conventional weapons, there are enough hot goals there. Yes, and we are not yet ready for a protracted war. So, we stretch our numb muscles, build new ones, simultaneously shaking the nerves of the herald of democracy.

[Ar4ii]

And there by chance there was no Tu-95MS that burned down like a boot on February 26 at the Diaghilevo airport (Combat training and retraining center for long-range aviation flight personnel, Ryazan)?

[VAF]

Quote: Ar4ii

like a boot it burned down on February 26 at the Diaghilevo airport

So it burned down ....... the whole front cabin .... up to 33 frames!

Here is a photo .. all that remains of the front cabin ....

[honest jew]

came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Honest Jew

come to Berlin ... come to New York

WE DO NOT GO ON RADIOACTIVE WOMB!

[Wedmak]

Good trolling, bravo!

[Ascetic]

20 hours in the air - strategic bombers from Engels airbase near Saratov spent April 05 large-scale strategic containment exercises. Heavy missile carriers in full combat equipment no landings flying along the entire northern border of our territorial waters
"Russian Bears" cut twilight with screws to be in the morning over Kamchatka. Large-scale exercises of long-range aviation - along nuclear deterrence routes. And the flagship - Tu-160, which is called the "white swan." For grace and maneuverability.
Guard Major Tveritin sets a personal record. It takes in the sky 47 tons of fuel. AND hits a conditional target at the Kura training ground. Now another “asterisk” will appear on the fuselage. A check from a cruise missile will become a talisman.

“Launching a rocket is the main dream of a combat pilot, we all strive for this,”

- says the commander of the strategic missile carrier Tu-160 Igor Tveritin.
What Russian "White Swan" - then NATO "Black Jack". The exercises of long-range aviation are closely watched by neighbors. As soon as the missile carrier, which has already headed for the North Atlantic, is in neutral waters, the Norwegian F-16s are landing on their tail. But this does not bother Russian pilots.

“The relations are friendly, waved, everyone understands - the pilots. They do their work, we do our own, "

- says the commander of the strategic missile carrier Tu-95MS Vyacheslav Kosulin.
behind the armored partition of 12 cruise missiles. With a maximum take-off mass of 275 tons, the Swan still flies twice as fast as sound, and at an altitude of 16 kilometers - this is the stratosphere. The machine, which began to be developed back in the fifties, and in the nineties were able to save from literally sawing in Ukraine, and Today, according to its characteristics, the standard.

“Further there will be an even deeper modernization. It will fly for 30 and 40 years, we have not yet chosen all the combat potential, "

- says the commander of long-range aviation of the Russian Air Force Anatoly Zhikharev.
Ten years ago, the flight of officers did not exceed ten hours a year. Today the opposite is true.

“All pilots are constantly in the sky, all are trained, no one has any breaks in flight training,”

- says the commander of the Engels guards red banner air base Vladimir Popov.

From the assignment they are met personally by the commander. According to tradition, a roast pig is on a tray. But before - debriefing.
link
Is it not about these exercises and the training launch of the CD that our "partners" are squealing about?

[Wedmak]

According to tradition, a roast pig is on a tray.

Damn sorry for the piglets !!! With such a raid, it is necessary to keep a pig farm at each aerodrome of long-range truck and base of submariners.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Wedmak

Damn sorry for the piglets !!! With such a raid, it is necessary to keep a pork farm at each long-range airfield and submariners base.

Piglet probably only after a combat training launch. We usually smeared our thumb with soot and on the identity card on the page where the permit stamp was stamped. I have two of them, I even had to lose my identity when replacing it and before the demobilization to keep it as a memory .. It is more expensive than any medals and diplomas ..

[VAF]

Quote: Ascetic

Piglet probably only after a combat training launch

Hello Stanislav! Not just a combat training, but a practical missile launch.

And then ... this tradition was introduced only by strategists on the Tu-160s ..... in distant aviation there was no .... and a check in your pocket immediately after the suspension, and to the navigator .. stubs.
If I put all prints after launches in the ULO, then .. pages would not be enough

[Ascetic]

Quote: vaf

If I put all prints after launches in the ULO, then .. pages would not be enough

Hello, Sergey! We do not have practical launches, only combat training. You can serve all your life and never once not only not participate but also not see in reality. We even have a great deal of participation in combat training with standard weapons. (This is a usual routine for testers). I was just lucky, at first I strengthened the brotherly division instead of vacation, the second time I shot my own ...

Yes, I even dug up such sad news.
Strategic bomber Tu-95MS burned down at the airfield. According to "Kommersant" with reference to the commission of the Ministry of Defense, after a severe fire on board the plane can no longer be restored.
The incident itself took place on February 26 at the Dyagilevo airfield in Ryazan. Then the military department confined itself to a brief message that "during the planned flights at the taxiing stage, smoke occurred in the technical compartment on the Tu-95MS aircraft." The press service of the Ministry of Defense added that the smoke was quickly eliminated, and the crew was not injured.

In fact, as the newspaper writes, everything was much more serious. The Tu-95 crew was preparing for take-off when the self-shutdown of the turbogenerator unit unexpectedly occurred. The crew commander reported this to the command post of the airfield and requested permission not to take off. Permission was given, and the aircraft began to taxi from the runway. The fire, meanwhile, spread, and the pilots had to de-energize the car and leave it.
When the fire brigades of the airfield arrived at the plane, it was already engulfed in flames. They managed to quickly put out the fire, but the bomber managed to get severe damage: the jobs of the navigator, radio operator and flight engineer with all their equipment were destroyed. After the incident, a commission was established to investigate it, which found out that the cause of the fire was a malfunction of the equipment.
This seemed strange to experts, since the Tu-95 had just undergone a major overhaul at the manufacturing plant in Taganrog. The amount of the contract for the repair of two such aircraft amounted to 631,48 million rubles. Those. About 315 million rubles were paid for the repair of one bomber. Currently, the remaining electrical equipment of the aircraft is planned to be sent for examination, in addition, all aircraft of this type will be checked.
link

Is it really true? They lost the plane .. and there are so few damn them ..

[VAF]

Quote: Ascetic

Is it really true? They lost the plane .. and there are so few damn them ..

Stanislav, there everything was painted above about this, everything I think ..... in fact, an ordinary short-circuit led to such a fire ?????
Some kind of nonsense, especially since they themselves taxied and extinguished it already in the parking lot, i.e. roughly speaking .. all .. have seen how the plane burns ...

Now there is such a level of READINESS of flight support facilities

[medwed1976]

Quote: Honest Jew

came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!

Quote: zanoza

"The Russians are coming (flying)!"

[medwed1976]

Quote: Honest Jew

came to Berlin ... let's get to New York !!

[honest jew]

Glory to the Russian falcons!

[nikolas 83]

Is it interesting to plan in the foreseeable future the release of a new bomber-rocket carrier? After all, that 160 and that 95 have long been released and do not make new ones.

[Wedmak]

Yes. The development of a promising long-range aviation complex (PAK DA) has begun. Even the scheme has already been chosen - a flying wing. Although it may, as usual .. with modifications.

[Atrix]

Another fright of the Pentagon of citizens and Congress to pump new money.

[Thunderbolt]

I think this American "hot" news for internal use, and of the entire "pro-enlightened world" has leaked into our open spaces ... And if deeper (provided that the training capture of the radar, indeed, took place), then I think that recently there have been certain actions and declarations on the issue of missile defense. Arrivals and statements of American state officials, the "rejection" of missile defense in Poland ( ), proposals and "initiatives" to reduce the nuclear arsenals of the two main world "counterparts." I think that an unambiguous and unshakable answer was given at the Foreign Ministry level, and for weighty persuasion, BACKFIRE carried out this training attack. And this is a military-political response Russia to deploy a missile defense system. --------------------------- PS In order for a rocket to hit a ground object from several hundred kilometers, it must either know its exact coordinates and move in them , constantly refining its position in space by the satellite, or someone must constantly highlight this target, and the rocket will move according to the reflected signal.
There is also a third, a correlation system, when a detailed route map and an image of the target that needs to be hit is loaded into the rocket's memory, and the rocket in flight takes pictures of the terrain it is flying over, and constantly checks the data with the route map. map, but I can’t tell you ...... or is it the 26th information battalion "tried hard" ??? ..... LIE --- WON'T TAKE ...!)

[Thunderbolt]

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[Alikovo]

Pentagon officials have so far refused to confirm or deny this information. Americans are probably shocked by this.

[redwar6]

If this is true, then I oh lol, the Americans are cool, their about super!

[ochakow703]

Learn, study and study! Were they aiming from the neutral? So why the hell squeal ?! One bad thing, we never knew how to benefit from information like Americans do.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

If the 22nd really did something (which is unlikely), then their yeast in their knees and noise on the Web is something already !!!

[rodevaan]

We get to New York ... if they climb ...
And so we are peaceful people ... if you do not touch us ...

[stranik72]

Gentlemen, on the topic of repair of TU-95, all repair plants are at the mercy of the well-known defense service, through the structure of aircraft repair, so according to the philosophy of business, the quality of repair cannot be high. The contract for repair of the Air Force is concluded on conditions for the plant that are extremely unprofitable, the structure of the factory’s pricing structure gives his price for repairs imposed on him by 60 percent lower (state contract), his mother go and survive as you want, hence the low salaries of hard workers, the inability to purchase first-class equipment and the quality of the repair, who and how to repair, the money comes from the Air Force (MO) by the end of the year, in order to fulfill the contract, the plant takes a loan, and this is interest and they must be paid, so that repair of the TU-1 costs the factory at best, without losses, but really with losses and spin as you can, so that's all being repaired by the Air Force in modern factories is of poor quality. Well, and so whoever understands the topic now IAS in the Air Force command the rear, and his flight safety problem does not flare up, but the money is yes. Deputy armament for the military and the formation of a rear axle. The situation will not be better. Lucky peasants on earth.

[VAF]

Quote: stranik72

Well, and so whoever understands the topic now IAS in the Air Force command the rear, and his flight safety problem does not flare up, but the money is yes. Deputy armament for the military and the formation of a rear axle. The situation will not be better. Lucky peasants on earth.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++!

[rodevaan]

We get to New York ... if they climb ....
And so we are peaceful people ... if you don’t touch us ...

[AleksUkr]

Moscow, March 28 - AIF-Moscow. US Air Force B-2 bombers arriving in South Korea successfully completed training in "striking" training munitions against conventional targets, RIA Novosti reported.

Earlier, the DPRK authorities announced an increase in the combat readiness of the armed forces in view of the possible need for striking at American military bases. Involvement by the US Armed Forces command of B-2 aircraft, according to Western analysts, could further aggravate the situation on the Korean Peninsula.

According to representatives of the Strategic Command of the US Armed Forces, two B-2 Spirit aircraft capable of carrying nuclear weapons took off during a planned combat training flight from the Whitman Air Base (Missouri), covering a distance of about 13 thousand miles, and successfully hit conditional targets at one of the landfills in South Korea. Stealth stealth aircraft took off as part of the Foal Eagle military exercises conducted by the US and South Korean forces from March 1 to April 30.

CAN IT NOT WE?

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Yes, they respect the DPRK, as many as two sent .....

[de klermon]

Why should the Americans comment? If they spotted the Tu-22, conditionally destroyed, they would surely have boasted ... And so ... Confirm that their missile defense facility can be conditionally destroyed? But who will give them money for this missile defense if their 30-year-old bomber effortlessly, within the framework of ordinary combat training, albeit conditionally, but destroy ...

[savastyanov]

our pilots are well done !!

[APASUS]

The adversaries froze .............. !!!

[Hius-124]

A trifle, but nice!

[Ascetic]

royal fleet

[Marconi41]

!!! When potential partners meet, emitting always occurs. Some emit an attack, others intercept. During the Soviet era, there were quite frequent cases of similar actions between ours and American submarines. They ran for hours after each other "attacked" "dodged" and then changed places.

[deman73]

The good news is, I think, if the amers just now said that an attack was simulated by them, then they overslept

[roki]

Training is necessary.

[dld35057]

sorry that is not the topic. I dumped from Windows to Linux so let’s help to fill up the super giant quietly and not noticeably. just get down from Windows. we will help bend the super spy on our resource.

[as3wresdf]

The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation on this site twitlink.ws/baza and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even mine nudity photo (though I do not know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know

[Citizen]

definitely good news

[WOTP]

The combat mission of Long-Range Aviation is clearly defined and based on the delivery of a nuclear nuclear strike on targets in the territory of a likely enemy, or on aircraft carrier multipurpose groups and ships with missile defense elements. The combat training is based on combat training to carry out a combat mission. In this case, the American media were not mistaken ... Frequent flights to neutral waters are necessary.

[WOTP]

I explain to amateurs, there are 4 degrees of combat readiness, at the extreme, when the launch of ballistic missiles by the enemy has not yet been made, other types of aviation in the engine start mode-Long-range Aviation takes off.

[eagle11]

Strange, in fact, we were always a little jealous of the long-range pilots, the flight crew went to sleep after the "war".

[WOTP]

Quote: eagle11

Strange, in fact, we were always a little jealous of the long-range pilots, the flight crew went to sleep after the "war".

Long-rangers are ready for 9 hours, after which they go to sleep.. In real wars, long-rangers arrive at the airfield at increased speed, in case of military danger they taxi to the executive one, when you are still approaching the airfield from a barracks position, and when full - the wheels are in the air. .

[eagle11]

I dare to disappoint you, I can answer for myself, we have a different specificity “pivio”, therefore, with increased strength of ds, in case of danger, the squadron takes over, and with full, depending on the task, but usually “in war”, the reflection of the 1st MRAU itself - not on the ground and the task of accompanying long-range soldiers has not been canceled.

[WOTP]

Quote: eagle11

Strange, in fact, we were always a little jealous of the long-range pilots, the flight crew went to sleep after the "war".

If the long-rangers were on alert for “military danger,” then no one would have taken off...

[WOTP]

Quote: eagle11

I dare to disappoint you, I can answer for myself, we have a different specificity “pivio”, therefore, with increased strength of ds, in case of danger, the squadron takes over, and with full, depending on the task, but usually “in war”, the reflection of the 1st MRAU itself - not on the ground and the task of accompanying long-range soldiers has not been canceled.

Readiness for long-distance pilots is 9 hours, instead of the previous 6.. In case of increased readiness, they arrive slowly, set tasks, occupy a workplace on the plane, in case of danger, the first crew taxis to the executive one, when full - the wheels are in the air... As for clearing the airspace and patrol escort, then I, as the head of the VOTP (now retired), directly calculated and distributed the patrol escort of us SU-27 and the clearing lines of the MIG-31.

[eagle11]

this is of course good when there are 27 and 31, and if it’s still above the water, then it’s a song. But 31 and 29 over land, you don’t know what to do. In the air defense formation, they are also engaged in these calculations (their own forces and our military base).