Who and what should a Russian patriot?

Let's really try to figure it out, because indeed many of us have at least rejection, and even hatred of the United States and the West. Where does this come from?

There was a country called the USSR. And she was a superpower. At a time when the whole world was the scene of the confrontation between the two systems, when NATO and the ATS looked at each other through the crosshairs of the sights of the USSR led the socialist bloc and was the most powerful socialist state. All over the world, only the USA could resist the USSR, and if in Europe their opposition came down to the Cold War, then Asia was seething with constant conflicts in which weapon and tactics for deploying troops for future global wars.

But the USSR fell. And along with the collapse of the superpower, the whole of Soviet ideology collapsed. And what came in her place?

First of all, the native intelligentsia raised its ugly stigma. Alas, but still under the USSR (and its roots are completely lost in Tsarist Russia), this specific layer of the population was formed - these are people who:
a) They didn’t like and didn’t know how to work, but they had extraordinary self-conceit, and, as a result, they got an inferiority complex: “If I’m so smart, why not rich?”
b) Compensated for this of his complex as follows: "I was born in the wrong country." But if an intellectual would live under capitalism in the United States or somewhere else, then he would, of course, become at least Abraham Lincoln, yeah :)
c) Accordingly, such a person is in every way "zapad" on everything Western, while Haya is all domestic.

Here, however, you need to hold a "thin red line", separating the lambs from the goats. There are people who are really sure that the social, economic and other principles of the West are truly the best of everything that exists today. And they, these people (let's call them Americanists), call for learning from the West and adopting the best of what the West has.

There is a huge difference between an intellectual and an Americanist. The trend of the Americanist is positive - he seems to be telling us: "Yes, here in this and here in this, the West is ahead of us, so let's do it the same way as they do, so that we have as good as there!" An Americanist first of all strives to make his country BETTER than it is now.

Unlike an Americanist, an intellectual DOES NOT STRESS to make his country better than it is. He does not need better. He needs to justify his own failure, and the more Russia will lag behind the West, the worse the Russian will be, the better the intellectual will be, because he lives according to the principle "joy is not when your cow calved, but when your neighbor died."

It is time.

When the USSR collapsed, and the market came to us, those who could “rise” in this very market formed a new, non-existent capitalist layer. And she, of course, needed some ideology of her own. But what could she be?

Socialist ideas are completely inappropriate. And no other - no, in fact people were thrown into the wild market and survive as you know. Die you today, and I tomorrow. Those who were able to survive and succeed in this competitive struggle, where their own life was often a bet, began to look down upon those who lost or those who had not even entered into such a struggle. In 90, the device of the former USSR turned out to be closest to feudalism — those who had money and power could afford almost everything, and those who did not have it could not oppose anything to them. The regions had their own, specific princes and barons, with their retinues, and it was not worth the ordinary person to get on their roads ... As Lord Acton said, "Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely" Of course, these people looked down upon others - " scoops "that you take from them ...

This two.

And so, surprisingly, the impoverished and incapable intelligentsia and the quite active "elite" had an amazing similarity at one single point - both of them despised the "scoop" and those and others bowed down to the experience of the West, only the intelligentsia for the sake of compensating for their complexes, but the “elite” because it was the market economy that gave them something they could not have gained earlier, in the USSR.

The result is well-known: from the pages of newspapers, from the screens of televisions, a shaft of pseudo-western turbidity fell upon us. The intelligentsia, with the connivance of the “elite” that has power, has completely displaced its complexes on us. We have diligently argued that the Russians are cattle, people of the second grade, that everything made in the USSR is not worth a penny, that our whole история - it's a shame without a single bright light, that we are drunk and ragged through life, that we are just fierce animals, that we have committed a lot of crimes before the civilized world and that we need to repent, repent, crawl on our knees, grovel, pray to the West, listen to the IMF , do as Soros orders, and then we will be happy ...

Interestingly, here the voice of the intelligentsia, the "elite" and the Americanists practically merged into a single whole. Despite the fact that, unlike the intelligentsia, Americanists did not at all call to fall on their knees and break their forehead, attaining their own sins, but, alas, most of them were not free from the contempt for the “scoop”. Therefore, with all the difference in outlook, their voices turned out to be mostly indistinguishable in the choir of the intelligentsia.
And this powerful chorus of voices, demanding admiration for all Westerners, gained the power of official propaganda ...

These are three.

But interestingly, a huge number of those very ordinary "scoops" turned out to be passionate about the ideas of a market economy and a new order. It seemed that we had to be patient, a little more, a little more, and a wise owner would come, and there would be salaries, almost like in the USA, and a cottage and a house in the village and all the children had a car .... Just before they were rebuilt we must tighten our belts a little, and then, of course, everything will be much better than it was!

These are four.

5 years have passed ... 10 years ... 15 .... but that's the point - economic well-being, comparable to the United States as it was not and netuti.

And then these very "scoops" began to raise questions

1) There was a total disappointment in the “invisible hand of the market” as in a management tool. The “effective owners” in the perception of the majority turned out to be somewhere between the Serpent Gorynych and Barmaglot, a fabulous creature that does not exist, but even if it were, it would still be no good to expect anything good from it.

2) No less disappointing caused the decline of Russia's prestige on the world stage compared to the USSR - a simple question - if we do everything better than in the USSR, then why do we listen less to us? If we are on the right path - then why are we becoming weaker, not stronger?

3) And finally - selfish question - why many, working on 10-12, live much worse hours than in the West?

And what answers did people get to these questions?

Because you - cattle. Because you are worthless and will never be fit. Because you did not repent of 100500 for millions of German women who were raped in World War II, did not pay 100500 billions to unfortunate Latvians, etc. etc ... Because the West is a paradise, but for our own, for normal and adequate ones, and you freaks never get into it. Because you are superfluous at this celebration of life ...

Everything is very simple. Our valiant intelligentsia, which gained access to microphones and cameras, diligently introduced a new picture of the world to people, where at one extreme is a prosperous United States, and at the other - drunken and worthless Russia. Our Rush, if you will. And what happens when a certain person is constantly demonstrated to an ordinary person (not a secret, for example, that the life of Americans shown in cinema is approximately four times as high as the average standard of living of an average American family) that this simple person cannot achieve and at the same time speaks taldych " You will never reach it, because you - freak !?

That's right, he will begin to hate this ideal.

And to whom should we say thank you for this ?!

But there are more reasonable people who are accustomed to thinking with their heads and who are not amenable to cheap intellectual screams. What do they think and feel?

First of all, we understand that the value system that our intelligentsia is trying to instill in us DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING WITH THE WESTERN! True, there is a little reservations - from the Western sample of about 80-ies of the last century.

Firstly, that Western civilization will not infringe upon its national self-esteem. Errors? Well, fool with them. Look, fencing in England ... how many people even know about him? The revolution in France led to the dictatorship of Napoleon, who threw Europe with hecatombs of corpses ... What, France repents for the "fierce Buonaparte"? yeah, schazzz ... Napoleon, in fact - a national hero and brand of France ... and that a lot of corpses ... so this time it just was. Heroic.

But what is interesting is that when the West begins to repent of its mistakes, it turns out that ... we don’t need this! Yes, the same United States fully realized the injustice of slavery. Poor blacks African Americans! Now, apparently, America decided to return the paid, giving its white population into slavery to the black brothers. And we ask ourselves the question, do we, the Russians, need such repentance?

Western civilization, surprisingly, is built largely on respect for work. Of course, there is a certain estate everywhere, only it is not customary in the United States to express its contempt, say, to an officer of the US Navy for not earning a million. And who was, until recently, a Russian officer, the last Afghan and Chechnya? And no one - "boot" - a loser and generally a sucker in life - loot can not earn. Even crazy - about some kind of "principles" and "ideals" babbling, bu-ha-ha !!!

Well, our story, of course. When you begin to carefully study where the Russian land came from, then you understand - everything happened with us, and the Poles near Moscow and the Cossacks in Paris. There were ups - there were downs. There were dark pages - and there were undoubted successes. We, damn it, have something to be proud of!
And here a feeling of patriotism finally began to wake up at last. Who - before, who - later.

We have already got rid of 90's illusions and understand that the United States is for us rivals, not friends, and that the maximum that we can (and should) achieve is a peaceful solution to the issues and finding consensus. And that for this you need to become strong again, because, alas, with a kind word and a revolver in modern politics, like in the past, you achieve much more than with a kind word.

We see the practice of double standards, when everything that benefits the golden billion is declared correct and democratic, and everything that is useless or harmful for it (let it be 100500 times fair) is declared unrighteous.

We do not like the categorical way in which the United States crawls into the internal affairs of countries that have not asked for it. We are Russians, we respect the right of the peoples to choose their own ways of life, no matter how different they may seem to us. We regret that we do not have enough strength to effectively prevent such American actions.

And we are told in response:

"If the United States attacked Belarus, then indignation about this would also be understandable - after all, one of the closest nations to us. But Egypt? But Libya? But Syria and Iraq? Is this what side can excite and cause hatred in Russia? "Is your dad something like a Studebaker?"

The clearest, by the way, is an example of double standards. The United States is allowed to bomb Libya, Iraq, extrude Syria. Although ... why? What would the US be worried about because of Libya? What the fuck did the USA forget in Libya? "Daddy is that a Studebaker"?

But for us - the position should be completely different - well, they beat someone there, so what? Do not you beat something, here and sit on the pope exactly ...

What is taught American child? If you see that something is wrong, you see a crime, do not bother yourself, but as soon as an opportunity arises - let the one who can help! Call 911, call the police, do not leave evil unpunished, the law is above all and you need to abide by it!

And what are they calling us to? Do not you ludzuyut - do not tweet.

Oh, these are my double standards ...

But we are Russians. And we will not be good about those who bomb the civilian population of foreign countries "in the name of democracy." Yes, Russian can also say, “My house is on the edge, I don’t know anything,” but at the same time he will KNOW that he is doing wrong.

And yet - we want our country to regain its power and superpower status, but only at the expense of OWN forces. We do not want to select anything. No one.

The feeling of patriotism in the Russian Federation is now slowly recovering. And the first reason is the rejection of the standards imposed on us by our rotten intelligentsia. That's just so historically, that these standards are issued to us for Western ...

Therefore, those who associate our intelligentsia with the West (and this intelligentsia has put a lot of effort into this) hate the West. Well, those who understand that our intelligentsia and the West are two big differences - they hate our intellectuals, liberals (in the bad sense of the word) anti-stalinos (please do not confuse with anti-Stalinists, and these are completely different people) similar figures, diligently grafting the Russian nation their own problems and complexes. And many of them do not even hate them, just treat them as a mixture of moldy worm with a tapeworm ...

We treat the West ... as an opponent who, if something happens, will play with us by no means according to the knightly rules. The attitude towards the USA is nevertheless more negative ... their desire to apply force to the place and out of place, getting into the affairs of other countries, leads to the fact that many of us are slowly beginning to see in the US such a gopnik 90, physically strong and fucked up feelings of impunity. Well, how to deal with such us dashing 90-e taught up to the conditioned reflex ... with the right in the eye and the heel in the scoreboard, so that I learned from my own experience how uncomfortable it is to collect broken teeth with broken fingers :)))

That's all.

Comments

[zevs379]

Excellent +. So it’s necessary -Well, and how the dashing 90s taught us how to deal with such people, right up to the conditioned reflex ... with the right in the eye and the heel on the scoreboard, so that I would learn from my own experience how inconvenient to collect broken teeth with broken fingers :)))

[zart_arn]

Hey Zevs, if you (you do not deserve respectful respect) really support this vile article, then give it to the eye, knock out your teeth and break your fingers to designer Kalashnikov, academician Zhores Alferov and many of our other famous scientists, inventors, and engineers. Come to your school, where you have not had enough minds and cripple all the teachers there, and then come to the clinic and do the same with the doctors. It is a pity that almost all the factories were closed (again, the intellectuals destroyed the ears) to come there - engineers, accountants, economists right in the eye. Who are you after that?
In general, moderators should filter out such illegal material.
CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation Article 13
1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.
4. Public associations are equal before the law.
5. Are forbidden the establishment and activities of public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious discord.

[zart_arn]

If this is your irony, then I apologize. But jokes on such topics are not acceptable.

[Nick]

Quote: zart_arn

Hey Zevs, if you (respectful you don't deserve) really support this nasty little article

Ay-ah-ah ... Wrong.

Quote: zart_arn

knock out your teeth and break your fingers to designer Kalashnikov, academician Zhores Alferov, and many of our other famous scientists, inventors, and engineers.

Are you, all these respected Russian people, scientists, inventors, engineers ranked as Gopnik? The author urged this to be done with the gopniks. I recommend you stop experimenting with psychedelics
.

Quote: zart_arn

CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation Article 13
1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.

Then why are you so boiling? Again, a consequence of altered consciousness?

[zart_arn]

In contrast to the minus, I don’t always answer and don’t answer for my words.

1. Regarding correctness, I apologized in the following comment.
2. I do not classify the intelligentsia I respect in any way, and I can’t rank them among the gopniks.
3. About psychedelics, again incorrectly on your part.
4. Ideological diversity does not exclude the prohibition of inciting social discord, which is what is done in the first part of the article.

And you plus and respect for the fact that the "pluses" and "minuses" set reasonably expressing your opinion.

[Nick]

Quote: zart_arn

And you plus and respect for the fact that the "pluses" and "minuses" set reasonably expressing your opinion.

1. Thank you for your kind words, but nevertheless neither the author nor the commentator Zeus had in mind the beating of scientists, engineers, teachers. Read carefully.
2. I apologize for the psychedelics, but you know how it goes around and responds. I could not resist ...
3. The only drawback of the article is that the author did not take into account one thing - the term "intelligentsia" is interpreted in Russia too broadly. In my opinion, the author does not mean social status by the definition of "intelligentsia"; rather, he puts a moral, ideological and worldview context into this concept. Therefore, there is no question of inciting social hatred in the article, IMHO

[zart_arn]

But this article offended and offended me. At the expense of Zeus, he may have gone too far, but you know, I categorically do not accept brutal violence, therefore I also could not restrain myself, although later in the next comment I apologized. And on the author’s account, there is a different opinion, the author consciously accuses the intelligentsia of all mortal sins, hates the intelligentsia (apparently I could not or did not want to go to college, although I know many real intellectuals from the work environment), I know such, for the majority the motive is banal envy. For example, Michael III.

[vvvrus39]

The intellectual, with a capital letter, is not the one who graduated from the university. And the author really somehow did not very successfully call the described types by intellectuals. But honestly, I can’t even figure out how to call them ...

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: vvvrus39

the author really somehow did not very successfully call the described types by intellectuals

There is an intelligentsia with a capital letter. Teachers, doctors, scientists, writers, artists. And there are intelligent individuals, as the Personality of themselves is little representing. And it is they who build the great intellectuals from themselves and try to teach life to the whole country.

[Patton5]

Can you give me a definition of the word intellectual, in a society that is not divisible by the class principle ??? P about my understanding, the word came up with a privileged class for itself in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, which had all the benefits of that society literally from birth. Not to work, but to write poems, philosophize behind the party in preference, revel and hangover to suddenly understand what a great homespun truth is! Parasites are later, and then the intelligentsia.

[Sailor Palych]

Agree with you.

[Sailor Palych]

On the yards of these corrupt rats for decoration and food for gulls.

[zart_arn]

"Not to work, but to write rhymes, philosophize at the party in preference, to have fun and from a hangover suddenly understand what the great homespun truth is!" - this is not an intelligentsia - it is bohemia, it was counted among the "creative intelligentsia" by the ANTIligents (by Nick).

[Ghenxnumx]

Quote: Patton5

P about my understanding, the word came up with a privileged class for itself in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, which had all the benefits of that society literally from birth. Not to work, but to write poems, philosophize behind the party in preference, revel and hangover to suddenly understand what a great homespun truth is! Parasites are later, and then the intelligentsia.

I agree with your definition - succinctly and accurately enough . But I bet with Patton5.

Quote: Patton5

There is an intelligentsia with a capital letter. Teachers, doctors, scientists, writers, artists.

SW Patton5, this category is capitalized intellectuals, but not Intellectuals.

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Patton5

Can you give me a definition of the word intellectual, in a society that is not divisible by the class principle ??

In the book “The Problem of Authorship and Theory of Styles”, V. V. Vinogradov notes that the word intelligentsia is one of the words used in the language of Masonic literature in the second half of the XNUMXth century;

“... the word“ intelligentsia ”is often found in the handwritten heritage of the Freemason Schwartz. It denotes here the highest state of man as an intelligent being, free from any gross, corporeal matter, immortal and imperceptibly able to influence and act on all things. Later this word in a general meaning - rationality, higher consciousness' - was used by A. Galich in his idealistic philosophical concept. The word “intelligentsia” in this sense was used by V. F. Odoevsky.
- (Vinogradov. The problem of authorship, p. 299).

The Russian intelligentsia, understood as the totality of persons opposed to power of intellectual work, turned out to be a rather isolated social group in pre-revolutionary Russia. Not only the official authorities looked at the intellectuals with suspicion, but also the “common people," who did not distinguish intellectuals from "gentlemen." The contrast between the claim to messianism and isolation from the people led to the cultivation of constant repentance and self-flagellation among Russian intellectuals.
The derogatory statement of V. I. Lenin about the intelligentsia helping the bourgeoisie is known:

The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, lackeys of capital, who imagine themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, this is not the brain, but shit. To “intellectual forces” who want to carry science to the people (rather than serve capital), we pay a salary that is above average. It is a fact. We protect them. It is a fact. Tens of thousands of officers with us serve the Red Army and win despite hundreds of traitors. It is a fact.
V. I. Lenin (From a letter to Gorky September 15, 1919) [3]
Lenin's words were practically repeated by director S. Govorukhin, calling liberal writers and the intelligentsia "not the brain of the nation, but the shit of the nation."

[alexandr00070]

Quote: lewerlin53rus

There is an intelligentsia with a capital letter. Teachers, doctors, scientists, writers, artists. And there are intelligent individuals, as the Personality of themselves is little representing. And it is they who build the great intellectuals from themselves and try to teach life to the whole country.

and call themselves modestly GOD

[mnn_13]

the domestic intelligentsia raised its ugly stigma

The intelligentsia is doctors, teachers, engineers, journalists, university professors ... How can one speak of these people in this way? Or is there a specific layer of pro-Western intellectuals in mind?

[aleksandroff]

the author generally called them rotten intellectuals. why are you ruffled. and what to call those who came out of the intelligentsia. and now he is yelling against Russia. and I believe that many of the teachers, doctors, and others are far from intellectuals. article plus. and plus to those who understood her, but did not consider themselves offended. otherwise the university will finish and they think intellectuals - damn it!

[carver]

Oh offended. But I haven’t, although I entered and graduated from a university and work in an engineering specialty. And as you know, I learned to separate the grain from the chaff and in many respects agrees with the author of the article. And whom he called the intelligentsia, I also understand, but what did the intelligentsia itself eat at the time? And do not pretend that you did not understand who the intelligentsia meant by the author, obviously not engineers, doctors and teachers with the military. The fact that the intellectual has become a household word is abusive just those lousy bitches must be presented about. Some, in principle, even privately repented - Wasserman.

[Uhalus]

Why is the term "intellectual" bad? And the term "intelligentsia" is rather vague, the definitions are very different. I am inclined to the ideas of A. Bushkov, expressed in his article "Demons in a telescopic sight", he even inserted it into one of his books (it seems, "Russia, which was not - 2. Russian Atlantis," but I'm not sure).

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Uhalus

Why is the term "intellectual" bad? And the term "intelligentsia" is rather vague, the definitions are very different

In the Russian pre-revolutionary culture, in the interpretation of the concept of “intelligentsia,” the criterion for engaging in mental labor has faded into the background. The main signs of the Russian intellectual began to appear features of social messianism: concern about the fate of their country (civil liability); the desire for social criticism, to fight against what impedes national development (the role of the bearer of public conscience); the ability to morally empathize with “humiliated and offended” (a sense of moral involvement). Thanks to a group of Russian philosophers of the Silver Age, authors of the acclaimed collection Milestones. A collection of articles on the Russian intelligentsia ”(1909), the intelligentsia began to be determined primarily through the opposition of official state power. Moreover, the concepts of "educated class" and "intelligentsia" were partially divorced - not every educated person could be attributed to the intelligentsia, but only one who criticized the "backward" government. The critical attitude towards the tsarist government predetermined the sympathies of the Russian intelligentsia for liberal and socialist ideas.

The Russian intelligentsia, understood as the totality of persons opposed to power of intellectual work, turned out to be a rather isolated social group in pre-revolutionary Russia. Not only the official authorities looked at the intellectuals with suspicion, but also the “common people," who did not distinguish intellectuals from "gentlemen." The contrast between the claim to messianism and isolation from the people led to the cultivation of constant repentance and self-flagellation among Russian intellectuals.

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Nick

- the term "intelligentsia" is interpreted too broadly in Russia.

".. The Russian intellectual is a poorly educated person who does not sympathize with his people ..." "The Gospel of the Executioner" by the Weiner brothers.

You can recall a brief description of the intelligentsia from I.V. Stalin

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: Nick

- the term "intelligentsia" is interpreted too broadly in Russia.

".. The Russian intellectual is a poorly educated person who does not sympathize with his people ..." "The Gospel of the Executioner" by the Weiner brothers.

You can recall a brief description of the intelligentsia from I.V. Stalin

[stroporez]

I probably have a twist in my brain. But, for me, the "Russian intelligentsia" are those who congratulated the Japanese emperor on the Tsushima victory. This Caula was, and will remain so. In short ---- demons

[Mikhail3]

No, the author is not about gopniks and the sweetest zart_arn got absolutely right excited. He is scared, and every day is worse. So he is trying to hide behind Kalashnikov. Hide among doctors and educators ... But the intellectual is, first of all, the one who does not know how, and even, unexpectedly, does not know anything! He can only deftly retaliate with his tongue. The anger and meanness of the loser (Vasilisa! I want to possess you !!) in it harmoniously combines with complete armlessness and headlessness. And then suddenly they began to pay (and pay cool!) Simply for an evil language. Pour mud at home, it’s not difficult for you, you already hate them all - masters, doctors, teachers ... everyone who, unlike you, KNOWS and IS ABLE.
And our intellectuals turned around. Loosened up. Gone, bastards ... Everything was so chocolate - the meaner you lie, the more blessings will be poured on you. And suddenly ... Poor guys are probably writing at night. Because soon - to the answer. Oh, let's ask ...

[zart_arn]

I have repeatedly said about my skills in my comments that I have nothing to be ashamed of, and what can you do except excretions of such verbal diarrhea, excuse my harshness, but what it is, that is.

[aksakal]

Quote: zart_arn

I have repeatedly said about my skills in my comments that I have nothing to be ashamed of, and what can you do except excretions of such verbal diarrhea, excuse my harshness, but what it is, that is.

- sit quietly and do not blather, maybe pass by And then we’ll hear

Quote: zart_arn

with the right in the eye and the heel in the scoreboard, so that from my own experience I learned how inconvenient to collect broken teeth with broken fingers :)))

... Those whom you have listed, famous scientists, etc., have nothing to do with the "intelligentsia" about which the SABJ is concerned. We are talking about that stratum of the population about which Berdyaev wrote. Have you, "intellectual", even heard this surname? I don’t even demand to get acquainted with his works, just - at least you heard that he was like that?
There is still such a publicist of the times of revolution of 17 years - Gershenzon. Have you been banned from google? Here, type and read, then you will understand what kind of intelligentsia in the subject matter.
And yet - yes, I am a "scoop". So what? I am also proud of it. If only because I am like a "scoop", at least I read the works of both Berdyaev and Gershenzon, and you, as not a scoop, but a kind of advanced westerner, have no idea about these people. Who else is more advanced among us is a question, but the fact that I, as a scoop, is quite capable

Quote: zart_arn

with the right in the eye and the heel in the scoreboard, so that from my own experience I learned how inconvenient to collect broken teeth with broken fingers :)))

and most importantly, I like to do this with intellectuals - this is no longer a question. And Poseum sit quietly and do not blather - maybe we will pass by when the time comes

[zart_arn]

"An intellectual is a representative of a profession associated with mental work (engineer, doctor, scientist, artist, writer), and a person with mental decency." academician D.S. Likhachev
What do you answer, you certainly do not belong to this category. Ham, he is also a ham in Africa. Ham is generally out of category - lumpen.

[Nick]

Quote: Mikhail3

And our intellectuals turned around. Loosened up. Gone, bastards ... Everything was so chocolate - the meaner you lie, the more blessings will pour on you

Then these are not intellectuals, then these are ANTI-alligents ...

[zart_arn]

Bravo, really anti-alligents, i.e. not intellectuals at all. Lenin wrote about such people in the quotation mentioned here, well, about the brain and beyond.

[domokl]

We got it already by searching for the guilty ... In the 1981 year, we were sitting at a table in my father’s apartment ... The men either fought in the Fatherland or the boys saw the Germans in real life ... The conversation was not about the USSR, but simply that I'm a soldier ... Well, of course, you are not the heroes ... Then there was Afghanistan ...
The beginning of the 2000's, the situation is about the same .. Only now I am in the role of those peasants, and instead of me my son ... Exactly the same thing happens .... But he worthily maimed in the Caucasus ... Without 200's ...
The Russian people (even if he positions himself as a Tatar, Udmiurt or Chukchi there) never looked for the guilty .. The Russian people simply lived .. and survived ...
Moscow and St. Petersburg troubles for us are just a circus, which someone is looking at, but the majority do not notice ...

[Patton5]

The Russian people (even if he positions himself as a Tatar, Udmiurt or Chukchi there) never looked for the guilty .. The Russian people simply lived .. and survived ...
Moscow and St. Petersburg troubles for us are just a circus, which someone is looking at, but the majority do not notice ...

And it is precisely such people who have power and dream, so to speak, working ants, who do not care about what happens up there, who can endure for years, who have been accustomed to the idea that nothing depends on them ..... but once comes the end is patience, and the Russian man is no longer looking for the guilty, everyone who gets in the way goes under the knife

[alexandr00070]

Quote: Mikhail3

But the intellectual is, first of all, the one who does not know how, and even, unexpectedly, does not know anything! He can only deftly retaliate with his tongue. The anger and meanness of the loser (Vasilisa! I want to possess you !!) in it harmoniously combines with complete armlessness and headlessness.

An interesting fact related to the topic is that people often confuse intellectuals and intellectuals without making clear distinctions between them. For the people, everything is simple: it is not engaged in physical labor - it means an intellectual. The word "intellectual" is often not even called an intellectual in the literal sense of the word, but "the proletariat of mental labor." Meanwhile, the difference is very important. If an intellectual is one who appreciates and develops his intellect, considering it the defining parameter of a rational being, then the overwhelming majority of intellectuals are pathetic and naive idealists, rushing about in a world that they invented for themselves, and whose existence is not conceivable outside this world. They persistently promote this world to others, often displaying remarkable demagogic talent. An unconscious idyll reigns in their heads, and already pretty bored and not causing any holy awe, abracadabra, consisting of ideas and principles such as “all people are equal”, “all are equal before the law”, “man is the highest value of the state”, “for our and your freedom ”- and so on, in the same style. It is characteristic that these slogans as such are not fundamentally interested in intellectuals, and the intellectual in a certain situation is ready to easily give them up and exchange them with others that are equally loud and meaningless. Comparing the intellectual moaning with that menu of nonsense that those in power offer daily to taste to the unconscious masses, one can easily notice that intellectuals simply strengthen them and still redirect them to the heads of the same masses.

Thus, the intelligentsia represents exactly the same unconscious mass that, left unattended, produces disruption and which Professor Preobrazhensky so deservedly did not like, but with some glimpses of intelligence, which, however, are aimed at supporting not intellectual ideas. The creativity of such representatives of the human race is also extremely small, and is more often expressed in decadent art forms, verses "about love" and other infantilism. An excellent portrait of an intellectual is described in the image of Vasisual Lokhankin by Ilf and Petrov. Please note that intellectuals are much more likely to relate to humanitarian areas than to natural sciences, since portraying pseudo-intellectual activity in the first case is much simpler. Of course, Vasisualiy was only posing as an intellectual, but, nevertheless, if an unintelligent intellectual can be rude, but at the same time be an excellent specialist, etc. (“Korneev is rude”), then a non-intellectual intellectual is simply a miserable parody of a person (they once wrote to me that an intellectual does not have to be an intellectual, which is typical). At the same time, the features of an intellectual can interfere with an intellectual quite significantly: continuing examples from literature, let us recall Professor Preobrazhensky, who is both an intellectual and an intellectual. If it were not for the assistance of his younger colleague, not so intelligent, then the story with Sharikov could have ended in a completely different way.

[zart_arn]

The original poster, which the author used without even making a link.

[vjhbc]

not a good person - radish (probably an intellectual with glasses and pace)

Quote: zart_arn

Hey Zevs, if you (you do not deserve respectful respect) really support this vile article, then give it to the eye, knock out your teeth and break your fingers to designer Kalashnikov, academician Zhores Alferov and many of our other famous scientists, inventors, and engineers. Come to your school, where you have not had enough minds and cripple all the teachers there, and then come to the clinic and do the same with the doctors. It is a pity that almost all the factories were closed (again, the intellectuals destroyed the ears) to come there - engineers, accountants, economists right in the eye. Who are you after that?
In general, moderators should filter out such illegal material.
CONSTITUTION of the Russian Federation Article 13
1. The Russian Federation recognizes ideological diversity.
2. No ideology can be established as a state or mandatory.
3. The Russian Federation recognizes political diversity, multi-party system.
4. Public associations are equal before the law.
5. Are forbidden the establishment and activities of public associations whose goals or actions are aimed at forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional system and violating the integrity of the Russian Federation, undermining the security of the state, creating armed groups, inciting social, racial, national and religious discord.

[arkady149]

Zart Arn, I remember he was a galactic prince who fell out of his time ... Judging by YOUR comment, the nickname was chosen without reason, Your Highness.

[zart_arn]

Well, nicknames aren’t like that here
Yes, you are right Zart Arn is the hero of the book by E. Hamilton "Star Kings". He did not drop out of his time, but traveled in time. Zart Arn - the image of a researcher, scientist, engineer (intellectual, your mother ) I respect this category of people.

[arkady149]

Yes, you do not get so excited, because in fact the vast majority of site visitors are very cultured and technically educated people. People are angry that any humanitarian-pseudo-educated punks consider themselves an intellectual elite capable of seeing "hidden mechanisms of processes in the minds of the masses"

[zart_arn]

Then I don’t understand such people at all, if a cultured educated person blasphemes his own social layer (read yourself) - by golly, non-commissioned widows, your mother! If this is a game for getting pseudo-stars for pseudo-pohons, then there’s nothing to talk about. Honestly, the article offended me. Laid anonymously from a dubious source. I believe that such outpourings do not have a place on this site at all.

[lewerlin53rus]

And who do you think, Shorr Cann?

[zart_arn]

Shorr Kahn is "Hitler" lumpen.

[lewerlin53rus]

Quote: zart_arn

Schorr Kahn is "Hitler", a lumpen.

No, not like that. The second part of Shorr Cann is almost good on the side of good powers

[morpex]

Dear Pavel, I’m not plus or minus you. I perfectly understand what you wanted to say. You just had to put the emphasis correctly. There is an intelligentsia which is aimed at creation, solar, we can say so, but there is a rotten intelligentsia, all of whose activities are aimed at destruction. The author of the article has precisely this in mind. This rot always fights against the society in which it lives. The author of the article correctly gave her an assessment - the inferiority complex. I would add here a complex of power. So you called two respected people. Alferov and Kalashnikov. I do not want to offend anyone, but! Kalashnikov is a pronounced solar intellectual (maybe because he is Russian? He comes from peasants?) Alferov is rotten in my opinion, otherwise how can he explain his protest against teaching in schools, the basics of Orthodox culture? (maybe because a Jew? And Jews are the first opponents of Orthodoxy).
The rotten intelligentsia first fought against the Soviet regime, now against the one that exists without adopting the post-Soviet political regime - Adel Naydenovich, Alexander Tarasov, or even again subjected to repression for their opposition activities - Sergey Grigoryants, Vladimir Osipov, Andrey Derevyankin.
They suffer another complex. Self-destruction complex.

[zart_arn]

This category of people is also called revolutionaries. Destructive elements of society. Their energy is directed towards destruction and only destruction. When their activities fell into the stream, they were heroized, deified. When not - mercilessly spread rot. The pre-war repressions were originally organized to eliminate such a social category, not without reason that almost all the old Bolsheviks were destroyed. Vadim Kozhinov has a good book on this topic - "The Truth of Stalinist Repressions". I highly recommend everyone to read it. The presentation of the idea has no political engagement, it is based on real facts and documents.

[Patton5]

Urgent examples of bright intelligentsia in the studio !!!!

[morpex]

Quote: Patton5

Urgent examples of bright intelligentsia in the studio !!!!

Well, if we conditionally divide the intelligentsia into several layers, it will turn out that the so-called "higher intelligentsia - people of creative professions - science, culture. In the bulk, it is here that the majority of the" rotten intelligentsia prevails. the stratum of which the country gives everything. Creates conditions, benefits, etc. But, as it were, everything is not enough. This is all because of their complexes. This is what comes out of them most of all negative. Here we also add the sons and daughters of the mighty of this world, money bags, in short "majors". Also, after all, "the color of the nation."
The second layer is doctors, teachers, engineers, journalists, designers, technologists, agronomists, military and other specialists. Many representatives work in social sectors (health care, education), slightly less (up to 40%) in industry, and the rest in agriculture or trade. There are much more bright people here. Because most of them come from the common people and have achieved a position in society only thanks to themselves. They work precisely for creation.
Well, about the "light" and "dark" try to calculate them yourself. For this purpose you are given brains and you will recognize them by their deeds.

[zart_arn]

"The second layer is doctors, teachers, engineers, journalists, designers, technologists, agronomists, military and other specialists."
You have absolutely correctly noticed that the category of military officers belongs to the intelligentsia.
Here, according to the old soviet conviction, some military officers do not belong to the intelligentsia. I have a different opinion and know a lot of intelligence officers who honestly serve. Of course, there is a category from the joke "slightly shaved, drunk to the blue", but this characteristic can be attributed to doctors, engineers, lawyers, etc.

[Patton5]

I would like not a percent but a surname, these heroes of brainwork, and do not count it as arrogance, be so kind as to give a clear definition of the word intellectual! I just can’t understand how the argument is about if everyone puts their own meaning into this word!

[morpex]

Quote: Patton5

kindly give a clear definition of the word intelligent!

well, it was done before me. I quote from the dictionary: "Intelligence
INTELLIGENCE (from Latin. Knowing, understanding, reasonable) - an alloy of mental and ethical advantages of a person. Expresses a high level of mental development and moral culture of the individual. Intelligence is manifested in the breadth and depth of human erudition, the wealth of his knowledge and inner world. I. Bestuzhev-Lada believes that intelligence includes a complex set of moral qualities and properties, where education is only one of the elements and therefore the worker, seller, and ordinary collective farmer can be intelligent, if he is decent and honest, kind and benevolent to others, if he is smart and well-read and constantly seeks to replenish knowledge. An intelligent person has a keen sense of social justice, he follows the dictates of conscience, is considerate, tolerant of dissent, is oriented towards universal values, is characterized by internationalism. Intelligence - a condition for the development of personality and society
Well, if you want more and Vika read ...

[alexandr00070]

Quote: morpex

I. Bestuzhev-Lada believes that intelligence includes a complex set of moral qualities and properties, where education is only one of the elements and therefore the worker, seller, and ordinary collective farmer can be intelligent, if he is decent and honest, kind and benevolent to others, if he is smart and well-read and constantly seeks to replenish knowledge. An intelligent person has a keen sense of social justice, he follows the dictates of conscience, is considerate, tolerant of dissent, is oriented towards universal values, is characterized by internationalism. Intelligence - a condition for the development of personality and society
Well, if you want more and Vika read ...

Wiki says

The Russian intelligentsia was a transplant: Western intellectuals transplanted onto Russian barracks. The specifics of the Russian intelligentsia gave rise to the specifics of Russian state power. In backward Russia, power was not divided and amorphous; it did not require intellectual specialists, but universalists: under Peter, people like Tatishchev or Nartov, under the Bolsheviks, such commissars who were easily transferred from the Cheka to the NKPS, and in the intervals, between Nikolaev and Alexander the generals who were appointed to command finance, and no one was surprised. The mirror of such Russian power was the Russian opposition of all trades, the role of which the intelligentsia had to take on. “The story of one prosperous village” by B. Vakhtin begins approximately like this (I quote from memory): “When Empress Elizaveta Petrovna abolished the death penalty in Russia and thereby laid the foundation for the Russian intelligentsia ...” That is, when the opposition to the government ceased to be physically destroyed and became worse whether it’s good to accumulate and look for a pool in a society more convenient for such a cluster. That pool turned out to be that enlightened and semi-enlightened layer of society, from which the intelligentsia later formed as a specifically Russian phenomenon. It might not have become so specific if Russian social reclamation had a reliable drainage system that protected the basin from overflow, and its surroundings from a revolutionary flood. But neither Elizabeth Petrovna nor her successors took care of this for various reasons ...

And Lenin, like the author of the article, says

The derogatory statement of V. I. Lenin about the intelligentsia helping the bourgeoisie is known:

The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, lackeys of capital, who imagine themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, this is not the brain, but shit. To “intellectual forces” who want to carry science to the people (rather than serve capital), we pay a salary that is above average. It is a fact. We protect them. It is a fact. Tens of thousands of officers with us serve the Red Army and win despite hundreds of traitors. It is a fact.
V. I. Lenin (From a letter to Gorky September 15, 1919) [3]

[Kolya]

Intelligentsia are people who bring benefit of their country with intellectual labor, and not those who learned to write without mistakes and even received a university diploma. The second (pseudo-intelligentsia) should not be confused with the first (genuine). This is a really big problem in the post-Soviet space - there is a class of educated people who believe that they are already entitled to because they are educated. These people are the "fuel" of the "swamp".

[Onotollah]

Quote: zart_arn

illegal material.

If the word "intellectual" is replaced by the word "liberal" in the author's ardent article, then everything will fall into place.
Further I propose to use the word "intellectual" in a canonical, original, non-abusive concept according to dictionaries.
Assign a meaning to the word "liberal" according to the above article.
The author should supplement the article with examples of those and other concepts, and cite qualifying features of both archetypes.

[zart_arn]

I agree, but what is said is said. The word is not a sparrow and for words you need to answer, and not justify (and not justify). “I meant that, but said it - childish babble. The author said exactly what he wanted to say. The author is a provocateur and I feel sorry for those who succumbed to the provocation.

[Ustas]

Quote: zart_arn

if you (respectful you do not deserve) really support this vile article

But really nasty little article. And why did you get so many minuses? Yes, simply because there is a lot of verbiage addressed to the intelligentsia. Here they are enemies, intellectuals, but not all, Americanists are good intellectuals, the rest are bad.

There are people who are really sure that the social, economic and other principles of the West are really the best of all that exists today. And they, these people (let's call them Americanists), urge to study with the West and take into service the best of what the West has.

And the essence of the article is precisely this. This is propaganda of the West. And many who set you minuses, Pavel, bought this propaganda.
And what is the best adopted by these so-called. "Americanists" in the West? The world economy in the form of a pyramid, empty debt obligations, derevatives, less valuable securities, empty money, where their value is not backed by anything?
By and large, to me our current government, headed by a lousy lawyer and a completely mediocre economist, is the personification of these "Americanists". During the year of the existence of this government, the country is rolling (economically) down. According to the government, inflation has increased, the gross domestic product has decreased and the only way out of this (see, it's a lifesaver) is only further privatization (and in fact theft) of the remaining state property.
To be honest, I have no doubt that the government is simply sabotaging the country's economic development.

[zart_arn]

I didn’t think about the pros and cons, I just expressed what I thought it necessary to say. The number of "cons" was not surprising. I was pleasantly surprised by the number of pluses, I just wanted those who put pluses to also speak out and not be afraid, and let the stars get minus, it's not a pity.

[Gimaev Bulat]

Come on, just you won’t impose an ideology on us. According to your laws, we can do it, the world is changing, time is flowing, personally I will keep up with my country, and you can stand by if you want

[NKVD]

Intelligence is not the brain of the nation, but shit (Lenin). I am not an intellectual, I have a profession (A.P. Chekhov).

[zart_arn]

No need to distort Ilyich - that’s where the quote comes from:
It is wrong to confuse the "intellectual forces" of the people with the "forces" of the bourgeois intellectuals. I will take Korolenko as a model: I recently read his, written in August 1917, brochure "War, Fatherland and Humanity". Korolenko is, after all, the best of the "near-Kadets", almost a Menshevik. And what a vile, vile, vile defense of the imperialist war, covered with corny phrases! A pitiful philistine, captivated by bourgeois prejudices! For such gentlemen, 10 killed in the imperialist war is a cause worthy of support (with deeds, with sugary phrases "against" the war), and the death of hundreds of thousands in a just civil war against landowners and capitalists causes ah, ooh, sighs, hysteria. The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle to overthrow the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, lackeys of capital, who imagine themselves to be the brain of the nation. It's not really a brain, but shit. "

(V.I. Lenin, From a letter to A.M. Gorky from September 15 of 1919 of the year, Complete Works, fifth edition of the Political Literature Publishing House, 1978, vol. 51, p. 48-49)

In this letter, Lenin exposed those who justify the world war as lackeys of capital (from the text).
Agree intelligent and ittelligent in this context - two big differences.

[Andrey57]

Well, yes - well, yes, only this same Ulyanov made a lot of efforts for that. so that in Russia there would be many times more of these dead people, he would ruin the country a step away from the victory over the Germans and presented it to them on a silver platter.

[zart_arn]

Perhaps so, but this is a topic for another big discussion.

[yak69]

Quote: Andrey57

only this same Ulyanov made a lot of efforts for that. so that in Russia there would be many times more of these dead people, he would ruin the country a step away from the victory over the Germans and presented it to them on a silver platter.

Well, here you are enough old man!
In vain are you so at Ulyanov. That is, in short. Because, reasonably telling you that you are mistaken, it will take a lot of space and time. This is a very difficult moment in the history of our country, and it’s not good for a serious person to chop off his shoulder like this.
The only thing I can (now) say: You are wrong, dear!

[stalkerwalker]

Quote: yak69

The only thing I can (now) say: You are wrong, dear!

I do not agree ....
Of course, the theme of Ulyanov-Lenin is VERY BIG, and most likely will be raised on this site soon.
I’ll ask about one thing - the translation of the IMPERIALIST war into the CIVIL WAR, what justification can the INTELLIGENT leader have for such a slogan?

[Patton5]

And here is Lenin? Learn history urgently!

[Corsair5912]

Andrey57

You definitely have shit instead of brains.
Lenin led Russia out of the World War, saved millions of Russian soldiers, and did not allow the restoration of capitalism and the occupation of Russia by the invaders.
If Kolchaks, Denikins, Wrangels, Reds had won, they would have destroyed half of the Russian population.

[zart_arn]

Yes, and the quote "I am not an intellectual, I have a profession" is the words of Gumilyov and not Chekhov.

[11Goor11]

zart_arn
if you (you don’t deserve respectful) really support this nasty little article, then give it to the eye, knock out your teeth and break your fingers to designer Kalashnikov,

Actually, the author of the article did not mean the scientific intelligentsia, but the really disgusting people who have recently arrogated this name to themselves.
You constantly hear their speeches in the media, the author described the nature of these speeches in detail. Those people whom you have listed (Kalashnikov, Zhores Alferov and many other heroes of social labor) would never have thought of throwing mud at their homeland as the self-proclaimed "intellectuals" mentioned in the article do. But nevertheless, these people in all seriousness consider themselves intelligentsia only on the grounds that they do not accept, hate, treat with disgust for "this country."
How should we treat them with understanding, respect and love?
With understanding - yes, the fact that their sincere hatred of our beloved Motherland is paid for by our enemies.
So them better to leave "this country" and choke on your dirty tongue.
I hope the explanation is quite intelligible?

[AK-47]

Quote: zart_arn

... the words of Gumilyov and not Chekhov.

So you are one of them, intellectuals, you know !!

Until the intellectuals become boors, the people will not respect them. (Ivan the Terrible)

[zart_arn]

You know, I’m not ashamed of them, since I have been honestly working in production all my life. Remember, a young man is an intellectual; it is not so much a profession, an education, but a state of mind.
A quote
"Until the intellectuals become boors, the people will not respect them. (Ivan the Terrible)"
Generally from the category of miserable stupidity. Nobody respects boors, for these are lumpen, no matter who they are.

[AK-47]

Quote: zart_arn

You know, I’m not ashamed of them at all ... In general, from the category of miserable stupidity.

Happy for you!
Judging by the seriousness of the comment, you did not pay attention to the humorous expressions of emoticons.
And also the fact that under Ivan the Terrible there was no intelligentsia.

Remember, young man ...

There is overkill.

But relatively state of mind, here you are wrong.
Intelligence is, first and foremost, upbringing, instilling a love of beauty, transmitted from generation to generation from the cradle, education is secondary. However, there are exceptions.

[zart_arn]

How commentary is humorous can be judged by other comments. Every joke has a fraction of a joke. To joke on the verge of rudeness and the rule of law is a thankless task. And the intelligentsia in the sense of that part of society in its influence on it was present, I believe, always (not in the sense of Lenin's definition).

If you are offended by the definition of "young man", then I apologize.

That's right, I talked about this above. I know a lot of workers, whom, with good reason, can be called intellectuals. You can argue about education too. I know many anti-alligents (like the Nick metaphor) who have a good upbringing and excellent manners, but are not intellectuals.

[Ruslan67]

Yes guys! you wrote here a lot to put it mildly But the intellectual about whom the author wrote is Vassisuali Lokhankin in its pure form and its place in the backyard to remove manure for stew It does not deserve more all

[Corsair5912]

At the time of Ivan the Terrible, there were no intellectuals.

[Yoshkin Kot]

no, I didn’t understand, but how does the modern Westerner-Americanist differ from the Westerner-socialist-Marxist? although, regarding the rotten intelligentsia I agree

[fenix57]

+++++, and for the last paragraph, more +++.
“You illuminated your mind with enlightenment,
You saw the truth clean face
And dearly loved the nations,
And he hated his wisdom.
You rubbed your hands from our failures
With a sly laugh, he listened to the news,
When the shelves fled
And the banner of our honor perished. ”
A.S. Pushkin

[Dim Dim]

The author needs to clarify who he calls the intelligentsia "Intellectuals in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
The intelligentsia - (from the Latin intelligens - understanding - thinking, reasonable), a social stratum of people professionally engaged in mental, mainly complex, creative work, the development and dissemination of culture. "And that rabble that in a drunken stupor of 1991 climbed the barricades and threw bottles with a Molotov cocktail in the armored personnel carriers, in which, perhaps, their own sons were sitting, they are painfully different from the thinking and reasonable. And the modern elite also does not belong to the intelligentsia, if only because of elementary education and the ability to independently (not for money) And those designers, technologists, scientists, on whom the huge country was supported, are the real intelligentsia, those accusations which the author puts forward cannot be attributed to them.

[lechatormosis]

Ulyanov-Lenin very vividly described the intelligentsia of RUSSIA - bast ... about the nation

[Dim Dim]

Ancient Egypt may still recall, or there was no intelligentsia. Or is it better for hegemons to live in the Stone Age and run with a non-intelligent club. And if you do not respect Lenin, then there is nothing to refer to him.

[lechatormosis]

THE INTELLIGENCE OF MYSELF PUTS HIMSELF into an outcast position and LENIN has nothing to do with it.
As for EGYPT, hehe pharaohs didn’t bother themselves with a showdown with the opposition, they simply chopped the mental organ hehe heh without any respect.

[Mikhail3]

Ahhh ... that's it! And I think that ... Indeed, in ancient Egypt, it seems, really did not have this trash. True, there were skilled engineers who built magnificent canals. There were excellent doctors who performed abdominal surgery, craniotomy, and even treated teeth. There were truly great builders, there were poets who left wonderful verses and there were writers who did not hesitate to write whole novels.
But how can an intellectual know all this? Nicherta, he is a pathetic scholar, does not know, only barks viciously ...

[Armata]

Quote: lehatormoz

Ulyanov-Lenin very vividly described the intelligentsia of RUSSIA - bast ... about the nation

My neighbor works as a loader in an alcohol warehouse. Every day in firewood and at the same time he really does not disdain the plan. Well, he calls me an uninhabited intellectual, because I don’t give him money and sometimes buzz in the porch if after an hour of the night he starts to stagger and ask for money. Duck, think about who is better, such proletarians or intellectuals with a candidate degree.

[lechatormosis]

your neighbor is not a proletarian but an ordinary drunk, and such a crap does not apply to the topic
drunks are even among the presidents OUR EBN a typical example

[Armata]

Quote: lehatormoz

your neighbor is not a proletarian but an ordinary drunk, and such a crap does not apply to the topic
drunks are even among the presidents OUR EBN a typical example

Well, let him be a drunk, but that does not change the fact that I consider myself to be a scientific intelligentsia. that let us also destroy us all. What is it like in 17, to the bottom and then?

[lechatormosis]

I can’t agree with you, no one says that the intelligentsia must be destroyed.
After all, understand that there is a difference in how the proletarian lives and how the intellectual their interests and goals absolutely do not coincide and INTELLIGENCE TAKES THE BOLD TO SPEAK on behalf of the whole people - this is dishonest.

[family tree]

"I am not an intellectual, I have a profession" Gumilyov
ps I looked further, but they already got ahead of me.

[Patton5]

Intellectuals are doctors, engineers, artists, etc. who, in arrogant vanity, having forgotten about the profession, oahyut the current government and its policies and okay, but they can’t offer anything else in exchange, and the more embarrassing is the intelligentsia that flourished in the USSR (after all, this the country gave them their education, employed, gave apartments .......)

[Armata]

Quote: Patton5

Intellectuals are doctors, engineers, artists, etc. who, in arrogant vanity, having forgotten about the profession, oahyut the current government and its policies and okay, but they can’t offer anything else in exchange, and the more embarrassing is the intelligentsia that flourished in the USSR (after all, this the country gave them their education, employed, gave apartments .......)

In the functional (initial) sense, the word was used in Latin, indicating a wide range of mental activity. No need to vulgarize people who are smarter than the proletariat. And do not wishful thinking. You can repeat 17 and then after 100 years again yell that the bastards destroyed the color of the nation.

[Reindeer herder]

I have three higher educations, well it turned out like this. But I do not consider myself an intellectual. In addition, you turn everything upside down. Your apkash, an ordinary lumpen, of which there are many both among the proletariat and among "... with a candidate's degree." I've known a drunk and a homeless person, a professor of chemistry, a doctor of sciences. Was this what the author of the article was talking about?

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Reindeer Herder

I now knew a drunk and a BOM, a professor of chemistry, a doctor of sciences.

It will be much easier to get down than to rise, and if your person has turned into a homeless person and a drunk, then by definition he cannot be a doctor of science or anyone else because, a scientist is engaged in solving scientific problems .....
We love to hang labels, and the tree is recognized by its fruits .......

[Nick]

Quote: Mechanic

Duck, think about who is better, such proletarians or intellectuals with a candidate degree.

Duck in the article is not about them ...

[vladsolo56]

Is he talking about his parents like that? his father and his mother were just intelligentsia in its purest form. Probably the word intelligentsia in its expression referred only to that part of it that considered itself superior to ordinary people both in status and in mental abilities. The intelligentsia is also not homogeneous, and at least silly to pile everything together. So the article is explicit agitation. Any educated and educated person has the right to be called an intellectual. so let's go to hell Close schools, universities, bury all cultural values, return to the Stone Age. So, in the understanding of the author, a very bright future can be built.

[alex13-61]

I, too, despite the positive direction of the article ... I simply did not evaluate it ... neither a plus ... nor a minus. Namely, because of the assessment of the intelligentsia ... People who affectionately admire the "West", adore it, to the real the intelligentsia have nothing to do, because they are not capable of a sound assessment of the reasons for "Western well-being" ...

[Patton5]

Give me a definition of what the intelligentsia means in a society that is not divided into classes!

[zennon]

There is the concept of intellectual and intellectual. The difference between them is obvious: intellectual the creator (designer, technologist, scientist), and the intellectual is critical, he does not create anything. To clearly see the intellectual, read the letter of the 42's.

[Rebus]

Quote: zennon

, and the intellectual is critical, he does not create anything. To clearly see the intellectual, read the letter of the 42's.

The Strugatsky brothers, in the novel "Burdened by Evil or Forty Years Later.", Gave an exhaustive definition of the intelligentsia - "Disabled creative labor, there is a desire to create, but there is no skill" ...

[Garrin]

Quote: Rebus

The Strugatsky brothers, in the novel "Burdened by Evil or Forty Years Later.", Gave an exhaustive definition of the intelligentsia - "Disabled creative labor, there is a desire to create, but there is no skill" ...

That's just interesting. What category did they belong to?

[itkul]

Quote: zennon

There is the concept of intellectual and intellectual. The difference between them is obvious:

Personally, I like the explanation of the difference between them, Pelevin.
quote

Speaking about the fault of the intelligentsia in front of the people, he constantly used two terms that seemed to me synonyms - “intellectual” and “intellectual”. I could not stand it and asked:
- And how is an intellectual different from an intellectual? “The difference is very significant,” he answered. - I undertake to explain only allegorically. See what that means?
I nodded.
- When you were very young, in this city lived a hundred thousand people who received a salary for kissing the back of a disgusting red dragon. Which you probably don’t remember already ...
I shook my head. Once in my youth I really saw a red dragon, but I already forgot how it looked - I remembered only my own fear. Pavel Ivanovich hardly meant this case.
- It is clear that these one hundred thousand hated the dragon and dreamed that they were ruled by a green toad that fought with the dragon. In general, they agreed with the toad, poisoned the dragon with lipstick obtained from the CIA and began to live in a new way.
- And what does the intel ...
“Wait,” he raised his hand. - At first they thought that with the toad they would do exactly the same thing, only they would receive ten times more money. But it turned out that instead of a hundred thousand kissers, now three professionals are needed, who, working eight hours a day, will make the toad a continuous deep blowjob. And who exactly out of a hundred thousand will pass into these three will be revealed on the basis of an open competition, where it will be necessary to show not only high professional qualities, but also the ability to smile optimistically with the edges of the mouth during work ...
- Frankly, I already lost the thread.
- And here is the thread. Those one hundred thousand were called intelligentsia. And these three are called intellectuals.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: DimDim

The author needs to clarify who he calls the intelligentsia

Yeah, just in the USSR an operation was carried out by the US special services to develop the technology of "color" revolutions, and that stratum of Soviet society which we call "intelligentsia" has a very conditional relation to the latter ...
After the USSR, the technology of "color" revolutions was arranged in a great variety ...
Well, the conclusion is the most banal: Empires are born and die in the minds and hearts, and the government and society should make every effort so that the ideas around which the empire was created were the main goal of educating young people .......
And all the problems of modern Russia are connected with the fact that the CPSU (and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation) compromised itself by the very fact of the collapse of the country and the betrayal of its people, and the liberals nothing but theft and the sick idea of ​​"bred a sucker" can do nothing and do not want to offer anything.
"Ideas only gain power when they take over the masses"

[avt]

Quote: DimDim

The author needs to clarify who he calls the intelligentsia "Intellectuals in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
The intelligentsia - (from lat. Intelligens - understanding - thinking, rational), the social layer of people professionally engaged in mental, mainly complex, creative work, development and dissemination of culture

Probably an intellectual compiled a dictionary. I’ve always been considered and called intellectuals by the meagerness of the above listed people

[AK-47]

Quote: avt

Probably an intellectual compiled a dictionary.

The intelligentsia is an abusive word. (Vladimir Mayakovsky)

In a peasant country, a man must rule. The intellectual will turn west. (Mikhail Zoshchenko)

A semi-intelligent is when mom is a collective farmer and dad is in Israel.

The difference between the intellectual and the masses is as a toilet.

Probably.

[Nick]

Quote: DimDim

The author needs to clarify who he calls the intelligentsia "Intellectuals in the Encyclopedic Dictionary:
The intelligentsia - (from the Latin intelligens - understanding - thinking, reasonable), a social stratum of people professionally engaged in mental, mainly complex, creative work, the development and dissemination of culture. "

Yes, the author mixed up the terms a little. Those whom he bewitched in the article are not the intelligentsia. I would call them lumpen-intelligentsia or intellectuloids - they cannot physically work, but intellectually, that is, with their heads, they cannot. hence they have a viper, they say, "the state is flawed", not wanting to admit that they themselves are flawed. What is called - "From a sore head to a healthy one ..."

[wasjasibirjac]

Dostoevsky remember? this is when he, when asked by a journalist whether he is an intellectual, answered: "God forbid, I have a profession."

[Mikhail3]

Unfortunately, this definition has nothing to do with reality. Looks formulated ... intellectual. Doctors, engineers, scientists, technicians, writers and poets have their names. These proud names are doctors, engineers ...
An intellectual is not a profession or skill, but their absence. A person does not have the ability, knowledge of skills ... and he, by the way, graduated from the institute! For troikas, of course, with patronage ... he can't work now ?! So he calls himself an intellectual. After all, he is not a doctor, not a scientist, not an engineer ... He often calls himself a writer. Or an artist there. Look, a certain Shishkin lives in Switzerland, it turns out! Or we have all sorts of Helmans fatten, smear shit on the wall and then sell "art". Throw them, together with their filthy chase ...

[AleksUkr]

INTELLIGENTSIA.
Great thinkers and writers noted in her one remarkable feature, hereditary and acquired, - her servility to the authorities

The Russian intelligentsia, unfortunately, could not win the worldview war, and in some ways it itself became a destroyer of Russian identity, often unbridled and blindly praising the Western way of life. She forgot that Russia is a special civilization on earth, and it must be treated not only with pride and great respect, but also with great frugality. Feature and originality have always annoyed the enemies of Russia, who sought to destroy it, to remake it in its own image and likeness. It did not work out in open clashes - they went to deception, to the decomposition of civilization from the inside.
And here it is appropriate to recall some moments from history, from how our enemies planned to destroy the USSR during the years of the Cold War. First, wreak havoc, discreetly replace our values ​​and make us believe in falsity, then - achieve a final, irreversible fading of the self-awareness of the Russian people. Etch their social essence from literature and art, wean artists to capture the processes that occur in the midst of folk life. To force literature, theaters, and cinema to depict and glorify the most base human feelings: licentiousness, violence, sadism, betrayal, immorality. Honesty and decency discarded as unnecessary. Preach rudeness and arrogance, lies and deceit, spread drunkenness and drug addiction, animal fear of each other, nationalism, hatred between nations, and especially in relation to the Russian people. This was said and written in the late forties, early fifties.

Now, unfortunately, I have to admit that much of what was planned turned out to be a fait accompli.
The Soviet Union could not be destroyed by war, direct armed aggression. Destroyed from the inside. There were people, their own “fifth column” of internal destroyers. Who are they? There is no doubt, these are those who then became frequent in the American, German, English missions in Moscow, the so-called democratic elite. They are now in power or in power itself.

But what about the Russian intelligentsia? She is different.
On one side on the front line, but, unfortunately, so far in the minority, were the true patriots of the Fatherland - Nikolai Gubenko, Valentin Rasputin, Valery Ganichev, Eduard Volodin, Vasily Belov, Tatyana Doronina, Vasily Lanovoi, Mikhail Nozhkin and others, around which our united national spiritual resistance, which did not allow to completely trample the originality of Russia into the mud.
On the other side there gathered a raging beau monde from those who succumbed to the temptation of an easy life, to the ornate speeches of young reformers, vain chimes and supposedly overlooking from party deceit, great-age shifters and opportunists from members of the Politburo, Obkomov and Tsekov secretaries, as well as chief editors and writers, previously admirers Soviet power, and now its abusive. Beaumond, who was flashed to showcase Western society, but was not shown the dirty quarters of the homeless and the poor. And all this huge creative crowd suddenly decided for itself that, let it just ruin the Union, everything will be in the window, and not in the outskirts of society. And she decided to storm, overthrowing and destroying seventy-year foundations, beating her past, mocking her parents, the older generation.
Here they are - thousands of noisy rallies in Moscow, pickets and processions, here they are - gatherings and congresses, fraternities and kisses with nationalists from the Baltic states, Ukraine and the Caucasus. Here are the presidential elections of the main child molester of Russia - the completely drunken Yeltsin, here is the unprecedented treasury of the country and the sale of the country, the moral corruption of power and the corruption of society.



But the feast, the democratic coven ended, and many departed from the dope of speeches and promises, woke up and froze in a daze.

[arkady149]

Quote: AleksUkr

young reformers

I would not call this Caudle of crooks "windbag", these gesheftmakers have not weakly pumped up their accounts, forcing many of us to work 10-12 hours 6 days a week, forgetting social rights and dignity.

[120352]

Somehow you have a vaguely expressed thought. Who do you call the codena of crooks and thieves? Personally, I have never stolen, I even crossed the street only at the permission of the traffic light, and always rejected all kinds of attempts to give gifts to my students. I know that most of my colleagues did the same. I worked exclusively for a salary, whatever it may be, and now I still get a pension. Huge 12 sp.

[120352]

But what did these great thinkers and writers not say that they themselves are intelligentsia, by definition?

[chehywed]

Quote: lehatormoz

Ulyanov-Lenin very vividly described the intelligentsia of RUSSIA - bast ... about the nation

Despite the fact that Ulyanov-Lenin himself was one of the intellectuals.

[Nick]

Quote: chehywed

Despite the fact that Ulyanov-Lenin himself was one of the intellectuals.

From the nobles ...

[chehywed]

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov was born in Simbirsk, in the family of public school inspector Ilya Nikolayevich Ulyanov (1831 — 1886), who had a personal (non-hereditary) nobility. The family of the future prominent revolutionary of the twentieth century was heterogeneous in origin, but for the most part consisted of raznochintsy (intelligentsia). In the Lenin family, representatives of several nationalities are distinguished - Russians, Kalmyks, Chuvashs, Jews, Germans and Swedes.

Nick , this is an excerpt from the biography of V.I. Lenin on the site istorya.ru

[120352]

Everyone knows his biography and origin. Who does not know - read on the Internet. The reason for his aggression is that he did not become either a nobleman or an intellectual. All of envy. And this is a sign of pride, grave sin.

[Dim Dim]

Please give me a reference where he says so. Until now, it was known that he considered it a layer between manual workers and entrepreneurs.

[chehywed]

Please give me a reference where he says so

If you ask me, then not at the address, as I quoted lechatormosis , and if to lechatormosis , then his comment is much higher, and exactly between your two.

[120352]

He has not many works. Only 50. Read and find out.

[Chukcha]

The intelligentsia in the USSR was different. The author is clearly one-sided about the situation. Speaking of the intelligentsia, he means the very comprador elite, brought up not at all in an intelligent environment, but in a gadyushnik called "persons close to the authorities", which simply surrendered to the USSR (Russia) in pursuit of property.

[zavesa01]

And the second "also smart" just stood on the sidelines and watched.

[120352]

Those aside, the intelligentsia was not. Pretended to be her prestige.

[AleksUkr]

Continued:
And where is the great country, and where is the Russian intelligentsia itself? In the backyards, in the garbage pit, and as a beggar woman stands with outstretched hand for a piece of bread. Scientists, technicians, hundreds of thousands left the country or went to a flea market, became trading carriers, doctors freeze up in hospitals, teachers block routes to give them even the humiliating wages that the Yeltsin’s and then Putin’s regimes scoffed at for their support in the election. And now they started complaining - they say, again they deceived, they didn’t want that.
The Russian intelligentsia, in their historical unconsciousness, having identified the flaws of the past, could not or did not want to defend the just and rational, human basis of socialism, which lifted up from the knees, uprooted from poverty and ignorance the huge strata of the people who are now being pushed into the pit, calling him cattle . But the intelligentsia itself is slowly sliding into the same pit. She forgot that the war of the present with the past always causes the loss of the future.
The fate of our country in the XNUMXth century turned out to be complicated, and assessments of events cannot be simple, but they must be objective.
Unfortunately, in reflecting domestic history, the intelligentsia - from the filing of foreign puppeteers and their minions - has slipped into foreign cliches, their worldview, their view of our past. And these cliches are vulgar, distorted, they numb and humiliate us Russians. Having started a dispute with the past, domestic falsifiers provoked a powerful campaign to discredit Russia and beyond.
Our intellectual, so condemning the Red Terror, does not want to know at all that there was white terror before, as well as the mass hunger of people from the lack of bread, which the opponents of the new system intentionally destroyed or hid.
Many pay tribute to the great reformer of Russia Peter I, although he also paved the way to Europe with corpses, having built Petersburg on human bones. They admire him, who have gathered a huge empire, and immediately applaud the inept ruler Yeltsin, who squandered drunk and derailed the great Petrine creation, the heritage of the entire Russian people. They put monuments to him. And there is no greater blasphemy as to call the state library of the country by his name. In the name of a man of ignorance, licentious, intellectually wretched and unenlightened.
And again the Russian intelligentsia is silent, hiding with a small tremor from fear.
The writer V. Astafyev has already agreed to the point that he declared the Great Patriotic War of 1941-1945 with fascist Germany a criminal war for us.
A conscientious and even a little knowledgeable intellectual would not repeat the blatant nonsense thrown to us by foreign provocateurs about the destruction of 100 million human lives in the Soviet period.
And again we see the strings of “popular” and “honored” laureates and applicants praising and flatteringly looking at the destroyers of the Fatherland - Gorbachev and Yeltsin, and then with the same servility who blindly glorified Putin’s populist-hypocritical rule and received government awards in response.
IN THAT WE HAVE REACHED TO BE GUILT FIRST ....

FULL ARTICLE TEXT SEE:
Victor Ilyukhin.
http://www.viktor-iluhin.ru/node/248.

[Old warrant officer]

Some of our classics, unfortunately I can't remember who exactly, was very offended when he was ranked among the intelligentsia. This is precisely the stratum, and not the basis of cultural and social life. Regarding the fact that this stratum is engaged in complex intellectual creative work, the dissemination and development of culture, tell me offhand which of the current intellectuals moved our culture and where? Among the people, the word "intellectual" was considered, and even now it is considered offensive, almost abusive. Why? Yes, because the opinion about the intelligentsia as about idlers has taken root (not all of them, of course, but the bulk does not produce anything material, but only teaches others how to live). An intellectual is not interested in working; this process, one might say, is antagonistic to the very status of an intellectual. Lenin's derogatory statement about the intelligentsia helping the bourgeoisie is known:
“The intellectual forces of the workers and peasants are growing and gaining strength in the struggle for the overthrow of the bourgeoisie and its accomplices, intellectuals, lackeys of capital, imagining themselves to be the brains of the nation. In fact, this is not the brain, but shit. To “intellectual forces” who want to carry science to the people (rather than serve capital), we pay a salary that is above average. It is a fact. We protect them. It is a fact. Tens of thousands of officers with us serve the Red Army and win despite hundreds of traitors. It is a fact.
V. I. Lenin (From a letter to Gorky September 15, 1919) "

[avt]

Quote: Old Warrant Officer

Some of our classics, unfortunately I can’t remember exactly who, was very offended when he was ranked among the intelligentsia.

Gumilyov, while saying "... please, I have a profession ..." A true intellectual. He also said about the intelligentsia that they did not know anything, they did not know how and hate the opinions of others.

[120352]

He was cunning. Still, a nobleman, the son of Anna Akhmatova (an intellectual to the core) and Nikolai Stepanych Gumilyov, also an intellectual, shot by the Bolsheviks, because he did not get on the "philosophical steamer" and was a nobleman and an intellectual.

[120352]

An ensign, albeit scary, to read other people's letters, albeit published, is indecent for an intelligent person.

[erased]

Intelligentsia - this word has become a household word and mostly negative. Although this is not so. Just crooks and renegades hid behind this word.
With regard to the confrontation between the West and Russia-it is necessary to interpret first of all the authorities. If she wants to understand it. And the people understood everything for a long time. Just has no way to do anything.

[zavesa01]

When did our "intelligentsia" offer something good? Where the wind blows there she looks. Or shouts "you all are g .. but !! Only we know how best." And there is no need to attribute designers, engineers, i.e. techies to this lousy cross.

[AleksUkr]

Interview with Gumilyov:
interviewer: Lev Nikolaevich, are you an intellectual?
L. N. Gumilyov: God save me! The present intelligentsia is such a spiritual sect. What is characteristic: they don’t know anything, they don’t know anything, but they judge everything and completely disagree with dissent.

The Russian intelligentsia is the worst enemy of the Russian people. ”
I. L. Solonevich:

•••
“I don’t believe in our intelligentsia, hypocritical, false, hysterical, ill-bred, lying, I don’t even believe when she suffers and complains, because her oppressors come out of her bowels”
A. P. Chekhov

[urganov]

Do not use quotation marks if you want to use a word other than a quotation (when using quotations, you must indicate the author of the quotation, or the source). And it is not necessary to attribute to the "lousy hybrid", in your expression, precisely the intelligentsia in the correct sense of the word. And then it seems that you have already carried out a substitution of concepts in your head, which is what the authors of such articles are trying to achieve.

[Corsair5912]

The article is correct.
When I hear from the screen or on the radio, like some kind of scam for any negative, brazenly declares - this is possible only with us - I want to give her a snout so that all her teeth fall out through the ass.
Someone regularly publishes books by the traitor Rezun and other stateless people and villains in huge print runs.
The lie of the goat-bearded chushkar solzhenitser is prescribed to be studied at school. What for?
Do Vova and Dima not know that this is a lie? Why lie to the children that Stalin was a villain and shot 100 dohlon people, and Beria raped everything that moves and was a cannibal.

[Raven1972]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m14BCgiigR0
A wonderful video about the true essence of sLgunitsin

[Raven1972]

Now, finally inserted
One would like to say with a phrase from the famous film - What a vile mug ...

[screw cutter]

I don’t consider myself a scoop, but I don’t accept SolGunitsin, there can be no decent person who hates his homeland, and at the first opportunity to fade under the wing of the enemy.

[HAIFISCH]

somewhere in the 7th minute the enumeration begins as Solzhenitsyn describes the camera, while it says book 1, chapter 5, so for the sake of interest I ran through chapter 5 and I didn’t find anything there. Book publishing house Soviet writer 1990

[Raven1972]

Not everything is in the video, you can read in more detail in the book from the series "The People Against" "Solzhenitsyn - the genius of the first spitting" The author, unfortunately, I do not remember now (((There are also memories of his first wife - N. Reshetovskaya, and their correspondence .. ...

[ausguck]

Excellent article!

[old rocket man]

The author is a plus, for common sense and observation.
Only one "but", for some reason we use the terms of the class theory of the last century and argue about their content, forgetting that they are not applicable to modernity, the intelligentsia, in the sense in which it existed in the late 19th-mid-20th centuries, now it is simply not exists, there are quite large social groups of the population, approximately equal in terms of education, but with a different attitude to their place in the economic pyramid, I think that "intellectual", at this stage, is more a medical concept than a social

[Mikhail3]

You are not quite right. Many concepts have gone, many have changed, but the Russian intellectual ... I do not consider them Russian, the intellectual, like a thief, has no nationality. So, as they were traitors, they remained. And then they betrayed Russia just as joyfully and selflessly.
The reason for their very existence, the reason for the blessed preservation in this filthy form is the total denseness of the rulers. Top leaders in our bitter state, as a rule, do not screw almost anything! And listening to the smooth, mesmerizing by the abundance of terms periods, without hesitation set forth by the next scum, they, our bosses, are afraid of only one to death. Reveal your stupid ignorance to the world! But the intellectuals understand this fear, so understandable to them because of their own ignorance, which, unlike our bosses' condo, cleverly learned to hide garbage words behind the mountains, they feel unmistakably.
And here lies the fundamental difference between this muck from scientists, engineers and writers. What is the scientist’s reaction to ignorance? He seeks to destroy him, being a natural enemy of ignorance and putting the whole world as his ally. Naive burdock! His attempts are doomed, you cannot break through our high leader with some kind of enlightenment. If he could - he would have learned something a long time ago. But he would never become the head of such a level - the other bosses would gobble up. So the attempts to EXPLAIN cause the bosses to fear and fierce anger. They tolerate scientists, engineers, and creators in general, since it is impossible without them. But they fiercely hate and use any pretext for annihilation, it only seems to them that it is already possible to do without this hated clever man.
The intellectual is not like that! Oh, how he understands the boss! And, having previously frightened with the "mind", Intel gently offers the boss ... help in hiding the mental deficiency. Buy a "painting". Allocate money to "study history". Give money for "art" ... give, give, give! Why huddle, the money is not an official but Russia, you can safely drain it into the trash. And in return you will be known as an expert, Intel will be taken care of. By the way, what if we announce you, our boss, dear, a professor ?! Who, then, will guess that you are a thief, a stupid bumpkin and a bandit ?! Have you read here recently? So, as long as the system of selection of the top leadership in Russia carefully brings such our beloved bosses to the top echelons, the intelligentsia will always be at the bottom.
Call yourself smart people by profession. Do not get dirty ...

[WWW.budanov]

May God grant you, continue to write such articles! Thanks. Such conversations, and even on the CENTRAL channels (instead of Posner's "intellectuals"). Cut out some quotes for my "boys".
(old teacher)

[Committee]

In the story, 4 key personalities (you can check) are:
1. Macedonian A.
2. Jesus of Nazareth
3. Muhammad (prophet)
4. Ulyanov (Lenin).

You can “love / dislike”, “respect / disrespect”, but only these 4 personalities are considered “KEY” in the history of mankind.

[fzr1000]

You have forgotten at least one Siddhartha Gautama or Buddha Sakyamuni.

[Corsair5912]

Right.
There is an ancient theory that once in about 600-700 years the Earth crosses a stream of cosmic energy, as a result, a great Prophet is born on Earth, raising humanity to the next level of development. We know:
1. Buddha Prince Gautama - 6th or 7th century BC, whose philosophical teaching is professed by 1.3 billion people
2. Jesus of Nazareth - 1st century AD whose religious teaching is professed by 1.5 billion people
3. Muhamed 7th century A.D. religious teaching accepted by 1.5 billion people
Alexander the Great is already an event of a different plan, this is a rapprochement between East and West, which influenced history.
Lenin undoubtedly had a tremendous influence on the development of mankind, creating the first state in the world where there was no class division, common people were in power, and not "noble" estates and not rich people.

[screw cutter]

I apologize, but I don’t agree at the expense of Lenin. Rather, Stalin.

[Corsair5912]

It is not true, Stalin was not a theorist and founder, he was a great hard worker and a smart honest man.
Stalin creatively carried out the program for the transformation of Russia drawn up by Lenin, but unfortunately was not a theorist and was not able to modernize Lenin's ideas for a changing country.

[Grey74]

This is not about the intelligentsia, but about the drones which do not care what society parasitize! Do not confuse good teachers and doctors, scientists and engineers with the authors of such articles!

[Mr. Truth]

Patriot owes no one except his country. A liberal scum must be crushed.

[Humpty]

About the west. I do not turn the second cheek. I hate countries or people doing me in spite and to the detriment.

[shurup]

Patriots, do not have all sorts of byvat! Some believe that they themselves must do something, the second, that everyone should give them something, and the third, just like that, by stupidity. And every vegetable should be used for a better taste. One in the executioners, s, the second to raise funds, s, and the third to bungle, s.

[Egoza]

Article +. The only thing that advised the author is to distinguish the intelligentsia from the pseudo-intelligentsia.
The man graduated from the institute, entered graduate school, suffered there and "gave birth" to a dissertation, which will be politely patted, printed a certain number of copies and ... put on the shelf. because nobody needs his ideas and in practice gives 0,0. Here is a pseudo-intellectual for you - he looks down on others, because "he is a candidate," and therefore has the right to teach others, but at the same time, deep down, he understands that his dissertation is far from a "masterpiece" and resentment arises - " how was he so smart not appreciated "And who is to blame? And where will it be appreciated? So there is dissatisfaction with the system, the people and the search for salvation in the west. Such a person imagines himself to be an intellectual, but he is not, because he is not a creator!
A real intellectual is often dissatisfied with himself, he is always looking for new knowledge, improves what he does, sets incredible, fantastic goals for himself and achieves them, because what he does is needed by everyone! And the teacher, who sits and looks for new material, prepares some kind of visualization until two o'clock in the morning, and can teach a lesson in spite of all the "methods and rules" dictated by pseudo-intellectuals who made their way to warm places in all sorts of ronos, municipalities, ministries, he is not afraid to go to precor, because he knows - "this is how children will remember correctly and for the rest of their lives" He creates! He is happy! And now he is an intellectual, although he does not have a title. And such examples of intellectuals can be found in abundance! Believe me, they just have no time to waste their life and work on all sorts of stupid meetings. You just need to not confuse them with ersatz.

[Byordovvv1]

The author is clearly still too early to discuss publicly topics about the domestic elite and intelligentsia, not understanding the very meanings of these words. While he needs to learn how to throw candy wrappers from under the sweets on the street into the bins, and not onto the asphalt ...

[George]

Hello everyone .
Honestly I didn’t understand who and what I owe

[shurup]

If you do not understand, then I owe everything to the ruble. Do not want to give, it means not a patriot, but a rotten intellectual, greedy and therefore poor.
Such a formulation of the question is more understandable for the broad masses of working people.

[Vovka levka]

Quote "First of all, the domestic intelligentsia raised their ugly stigma."
The trouble is that the intelligentsia is almost, just gone, in the true sense of the word. Do not mix x .. with your finger.
Honestly, I don't understand what kind of fashion it is to rush to extremes. That full "", then all in chocolate. And life is multifaceted and different, like a rainbow in the sky. And in the rainbow, the extreme colors of the spectrum are white and black. And between them, what a variety.

[Captain45]

Quote: Vovka Levka

And in the rainbow, the extreme colors of the spectrum are white and black. And between them, what a variety.

I put it to you, dear, minus because in a rainbow, the extreme colors of the spectrum are infrared and ultraviolet, and white is a complete collection of rainbow colors and therefore cannot be the extreme in the spectrum. Take a transparent glass prism and pass a white beam through it into the dark room on the wall. The whole spectrum or rainbow will be reflected I am not an intellectual or an optical physicist, I just remember the description of this experience from the school physics course taught in the Soviet school. I am afraid to make a mistake, but it seems that this experience was delivered by Isaac Newton.

[Vovka levka]

This is a metaphor.
There is no white in the rainbow, just as there is no black. White light decomposes, a dispersion of light occurs.

[Xroft]

When will we only see patriotic elites in our country? Those who will want to create in their own country, rather than rub bulls and knock over a hill. Because creating is always better than robbing, our country deserves better and we can do it. People are ready to believe in the idea of ​​restoring the status and strength of the country, but when there are such persons capable of leading not in words, but in real life?

[VadimSt]

From the point of view of the aspirations of a patriot of his homeland, the article is a plus. Here is just one thing, the article practically combines the concepts, between the intelligentsia - who consider themselves carriers of advanced ideas and morality, to which we, for the most part, refer to the "fifth column" and intellectuals - people of intellectual labor, which is not the same thing! As I understand it, this is exactly what some forum participants wanted to draw attention to, but apparently it is difficult to be heard when everyone shouts - YES, and only a few - IT IS NECESSARY TO UNDERSTAND.

By the way, Lenin was just talking about intellectuals (intellectuals), and not about the intellectual forces of society - but these are doctors, teachers, engineers, representatives of the art world, etc.

[suharev-52]

I perceive the article ambiguously. There is no clear definition of who the author means by intelligence. Too much is now hidden behind this fuzzy concept. Sincerely.

[riding]

A person gets a higher education somehow, gets some analysis skills and begins to think by chance that now he has begun to understand everything, that nothing can be trusted, everything needs to be blamed, because the insulted do not understand anything. So we got a new intellectual.

[AK-47]

The intelligentsia is the scum of society. (Adolf Gitler)

The crematorium is a bright future for intellectuals. (Adolf Gitler)

The so-called "intelligentsia", as you know, always looks down on every newcomer who did not have the luck to go through educational institutions of all appropriate degrees and "pump up" with all the appropriate "knowledge" there. After all, usually we don’t, they ask what this person is suitable for, what he knows how to do, and they ask what educational institutions he graduated from. (Adolf Gitler)

The intelligentsia is not the brain of the nation, but shit. (Vladimir Lenin)

The ugly stigma is the domestic intelligentsia. (Author of the article)

In unity is power!

[lars]

Isn't all the intelligentsia cool under one comb ?! And school teachers in the outback for beggarly salaries honestly doing their duty, and scientists that many, many others work on the same enthusiasm ... ???

[matross]

An intellectual, in the context of the article under discussion, and a person engaged in mental work - the concepts are purely different

[Rebus]

Quote: lars

Isn't all the intelligentsia cool under one comb ?! And school teachers in the outback for beggarly salaries honestly doing their duty, and scientists that many, many others work on the same enthusiasm ... ???

Not in the article about a completely different "intelligentsia" we are talking, not about really people capable of creating, educated and intelligent people, but about the so-called "creative class" with their purchased diplomas and exorbitant ambitions. Ilf and Petrov, in The Golden Calf, described one such "intellectual":

Vasisuali himself never served anywhere. The service would prevent him from thinking about the significance of the Russian intelligentsia, to which social stratum he included himself. Thus, the lengthy thoughts of Lokhankin boiled down to a pleasant and close topic: “Vasisualiy Lokhankin and its significance”, “Lokhankin and the tragedy of Russian Liberalism”, “Lokhankin and his role in the Russian revolution”. It was easy and calm to think about all this, walking around the room in felt boots bought for Barbarian money, and glancing at your favorite cupboard, where the roots of the Brockhaus encyclopedic dictionary flickered with church gold. Vasisuali stood for a long time in front of the closet, shifting his gaze from spine to spine. According to the ranking there were marvelous examples of bookbinding art: the Big Medical Encyclopedia, “Animal Life”, the pound volume “Man and Woman”, as well as “Earth and People” by Elise Reclus.
“Next to this treasury of thought,” Vasisuali thought slowly, “you become cleaner, somehow grow spiritually.”
Having come to such a conclusion, he sighed joyfully, pulled out the Motherland from under the cabinet in 1899 in a sea-blue cover with foam and spray, examined pictures of the Boer War, an announcement by an unknown lady, entitled: “That's how I increased my six-inch bust, ”and other interesting things.

And the Strugatsky brothers even wrote a recipe for how to deal with them in the novel "Weighed down by evil or Forty years later."

Vanya Drozdov refers to our "bad guys" extremely simply. For him, they are divided into two types. The first is lumpen, vagabond, stinking parasites, chlamydomonas, weedy flora, useless. The second - philosophers unwashed, homegrown, fornicators, barreled diogens, clumsy armless, brainless and talentless. One type of the other is worth it, and it would be nice to prod the first out of sight somewhere in the swamps (even if they feed medical leeches there, or something), and to give the second shovels to dig a navigable canal from our Tashlitsa to the Aral Sea.

[lars]

Sorry guys! I re-read the article and did not see a differentiated approach. Yes, we can assume that the author shares, but ...

[Captain45]

As Pushkin said, it seems, - "Die, Denis, you can't write better! +++

[Ascetic]

Twenty-one people sat in the dock. Including they were: the former chairman of the board of the OGPU, Henry Yagoda and his secretary Pavel Bulanov; right-wing leaders Nikolai Bukharin and Alexei Rykov; Trotskyist leaders and at the same time German agents Nikolai Krestinsky and Arkady Rozengolts; Trotsky-Japanese agent Christian Rakovsky; two other Trotskyist leaders and German agents — Mikhail Chernov and Grigory Grinko; Polish agent Vasily Sharangovich; eleven other conspirators are members of the right-wing Trotskyist bloc, wreckers, terrorists and foreign agents.
The process of the right-Trotskyist bloc for the first time revealed and exposed to the whole world the methods of the "fifth column" of the "axis" countries. The entire technique of covert war methods - propaganda, terror, treason in leading institutions, the machinations of Quislings, the tactics of a secret army striking from within - in a word, the whole essence of the strategy of the "fifth column" of the Axis powers, with the hands of which the Nazis were already conducting subversive work in Spain , Austria, Czechoslovakia, Norway, Belgium, France and other European countries and America, has been completely exposed.
- Bukharins and Rykovs, Yagody and Bulanovs, Krestinsky and Rozengoltsy ... - said the Soviet prosecutor Vyshinsky in his speech on March 11, - this is the same "fifth column" ...
Ambassador Davis, who attended the trial, called it a "horrific" judicial, psychological and political drama. On March 8, he wrote to his daughter: "The trial exposed all the basic vices and weaknesses of human nature - selfish aspirations in their worst form. The contours of a conspiracy that almost led to the overthrow of the government are looming."
Some of the accused, trying to escape retribution, tried to evade full responsibility for their crimes, to blame others, to portray themselves as honest but misled politicians. Others, without apparent fear for their fate, and not counting, it seemed, on the mitigation of the death sentence, cited terrible details of their "political" murders, as well as espionage and sabotage activities carried out by them under the leadership of German and Japanese military intelligence.
The verdict was announced on March 13, 1938. All the defendants were found guilty. Three of them - Pletnev, Bessonov and Rakovsky - the court sentenced to imprisonment. The rest were sentenced to death.

In the summer of 1941, when the Nazis attacked the Soviet Union, Joseph E. Davis, a former US ambassador to the USSR, wrote:

“There was no so-called 'internal aggression' in Russia, acting in concert with the German high command. In 1939 Hitler's campaign against Prague was accompanied by active military support from Henlein's organizations. The same can be said about the Nazi invasion of Norway. But in Russia there were no Sudeten Henleins, Slovak yews, Belgian degrels or Norwegian Quislings ...

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[Ascetic]

But in the 80s and 90s, we had enough of them to lose the war to Hitler's followers and Zionist fascists from across the ocean. They have not gone anywhere. now they are free people. that is, free from moral obligations from the country and people. What can be said in this case, the connection of generations and ideas is no more. Moreover, the number of descendants of the repressed by distance from Moscow, the closer - the more of them. And in Moscow itself - the closer to the Kremlin - the more there are. Here is a paradox that you need to know and see, and not argue about the contribution of movers and scientists to the current state of the country.

Quote: suharev-52

There is no clear definition of who the author means by intelligence. Too much is now hidden behind this fuzzy concept. Sincerely.

It is not necessary to generalize the entire intelligentsia, as well as to divide according to national, religious, and other external signs.

inner essence

, most of our people of intellectual and creative labor are people of a patriotic orientation, simply from cosmopolitan renegades more noise(Media and pop culture) and they are concentrated compactly around the Kremlin, they are better off financially secure for parasites on the people's body and are protected by the power of the West and are fed by its money ..

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[Alekseir162]

The author of the article is definitely a plus, but I would like, as they say, to dot the i's.
The word intelligentsia (Latin intelligentia, intellegentia - understanding, cognitive power, from intelligens, intellegens - intelligent, understanding, knowing, thinking) is a social group of people professionally engaged in mental - mainly complex and creative - work. Everything seems to be clear here, but the fact of the matter is that a large number of people engaged in mental work in our country rather falls under the category of "education". According to the modern explanatory dictionary of modern Russian language Efremova "education" is:
1.
Representatives of the modern Russian intelligentsia, flaunting their education, which boils down to obtaining a university diploma or academic degree in the absence of deep knowledge and wide erudition.
2.
It is used as a negative assessment of a significant part of the modern Russian intelligentsia and the new education system.
It was these "educated people" who hatched from the once laid eggs by the intelligentsia of the late XNUMXth and early XNUMXth centuries. True, these eggs from long lying have deteriorated considerably since the time of their laying. Now we have to deal with these bastards.

[Grey68]

Well written article, 80 percent coincides with my personal opinion. And at the expense of the intelligentsia, it is so different. A doctor selling babies is hardly worthy of respect, no matter how much merit he has.

[Grey68]

Well written article, 80 percent coincides with my personal opinion. And at the expense of the intelligentsia, it is so different. A doctor selling babies is hardly worthy of respect, no matter how much merit he has.

[yashka12007]

In the comments a little higher, a definition is clearly given. Doctors, teachers, scientists are INTELLECTUALS, and intellectuals are those who are of no use as a goat of milk, they live by the principle of drinking ... don’t turn over bags.

[lars]

In the comments - yes, but not in the article ...

[Vahidov Fanis]

Very good article!

[waisson]

An article in favor of the current topical situation in the country

[Black]

Quote: Grey68

And at the expense of the intelligentsia, it is so different.

The article is false and designed for pseudo-patriotic frenzy.
There is only one intelligentsia — these are people who use their own minds and talents to make a nation better and cleaner, these are external (internal — ourselves) guardians of the language, traditions, morality, mentality, and intellectual of the people.
All others (traders, molesters, ...) no matter what profession they hid under, cannot be called intellectuals.
p.s. Here they often remembered the famous expression of Lenin about the intelligentsia. So he is not an intellectual to refer to him. Korolenko is an intellectual. Gumilev is an intellectual.

[Was mammoth]

Life made me - and went to study, at the age of 50 I received a diploma (Krasny, I passed everything honestly and earned points with my work). Under the article I am a "scoop". And after 50, did you become an intellectual? The main mistake of many is that the higher is already an intellectual. I considered myself an intellectual when I worked as a worker, and now I consider myself to be an intellectual. Although there are enough street scars on me. I banged often. An intellectual is a state of mind and an inner upbringing. Egoza However, in contrast to her, the article put a minus.

[Fox]

AAAA! The author got into my brain and wrote down EVERYTHING that I think and say ... but put it together and well described, of course the article was added and shared. To the author "respect and respect" !!!

[tihi. 2012]

Well, about the rotten intelligentsia, the classic said: "but they eat Russian bacon." Normal intellectuals are always patriots of their homeland. And swamp rot to the nail is unambiguous, as Zhirinovsky says.

[bubla5]

Yes, and there was a nation in this country that you don’t feed bread, but you never get up at the machine, some artists, bankers, though they didn’t favor them in the army, so they made up and make up the backbone of the so-called NGOs and muddied the water

[Opera]

It seems to me that the word intelligentsia in the context of this article rumors cuts. It was Trotsky who invited Jewish young men in leather jackets with Mausers to deal with the Russian intelligentsia ...
Maybe it would be more appropriate to replace the intellectual with a liberal? A liberal to replace ...

The word liberalism in our negative sense is incomprehensible to Western people. For them, liberal is an absolutely normal word - a person striving for freedom. I explained the meaning of our use of words and asked: "What is the English word for a person who, under the guise of freedom, directs everything around to destruction?" They understood what I mean and said anarchist!
Archimandrite Tikhon

Well, let's be intelligent people and call a spade a spade!

[Rustiger]

Wrote a HUGE, simply HUGE ARTICLE. Proposed to many sites, incl. "IN". It didn't work. I try to "shove through" an article of the most patriotic and "colorful" writer (in my opinion) A.A. Prokhanov, with the article "for arming Russia and Syria" - hung on for ONE DAY, HAS CLASSED ALMOST 1000 !!! VOTES POINTS - REDACTED!
With a note - "this is not a comment, but a plagiarism !!!!!!!!!. With the author's signature!?!?!?
About how it is customary in the Chinese culture to eat kittens and kittens, but HUMAN embryos, I think I’ll get inban FOREVER. Not surprisingly, this contradicts the ideas of tolerance with a "great" nation.
Therefore, I will "say goodbye" to those with whom I have become friends !!!
I will go through the "process of reincarnation" on the site for the third time, and I will continue to communicate through the boxes. ... ...
Good health to all! Old friends - see you !!!!!!

[Rustiger]

Quote: Rustiger

Wrote a HUGE, simply HUGE ARTICLE. Proposed to many sites, incl. "IN". It didn't work. I am trying to "shove through" an article by the most patriotic and "colorful" writer (in my opinion) A.A. Prokhanov, with the article "for arming Russia and Syria" - hung on for ONE DAY, HAS CLASSED ALMOST 1000 !!! VOTES POINTS - REDACTED!
With a note - "this is not a comment, but a plagiarism !!!!!!!!!. With the author's signature!?!?!?

Sender: Vadim Smirnov
Received Date: April 6, 2013 10:21

No need to insert other people's articles in the comments! Express your opinion!

Well, thank you, namesake! Not expected!
I realized that among the "Vadims" there are no Jews, but the Kitais?
This is me about referring to this -
Features of Chinese cuisine

"... First of all, we will have immigrants from China. And this is great luck.
It’s necessary to prepare the population for a tolerant attitude towards emigrants,
tell more about the culture and life of the Chinese ... "
Zhanna Zayonchkovskaya / a Jew who "plans" to destroy the Orthodoxy she hates /
Head of the Institute Migration Laboratory
Economic Forecasting RAS

What will be discussed in this article is true, as though some readers would not refuse to believe it. And those who wish it can verify all the facts stated.

When the economic growth of communist China has been showing record results for many years in a row, some of our politicians are tempted to urge us to follow the "Chinese path of development." So let's talk about the Chinese. The Chinese are a people with whom we quickly establish close relations, both through trade and through immigration (illegal, overwhelming majority), and who are so successfully mastering our Siberia and the Far East, that experts predict a complete "Sinization" of these territories in 50-100 years and their natural accession to China. And properly-conditioned by official propaganda, lemmings (the layman) will even tell you that there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. The Chinese, after all, are just like us, except that they speak a different language, a little darker, and they have slanting eyes. With their presence in Russia they will enrich our culture and economy.

But, in fact, they are not quite like us. They have different customs, originating from a different view of the world, a different attitude to life, and this different attitude has been formed over thousands of generations living in conditions that were different from those in which our ancestors lived. For example, the Chinese eat babies and see nothing wrong with that. And what they do with cats and dogs is much worse than just eating them. But more about that below, and now back to the babies. For the modern nuclear superpower, the Chinese have very strange notions of health. These concepts have almost erased a number of species of wild animals from the face of the earth due to the insatiable demand of the Chinese for their organs, who believe that the crushed rhino horn enhances the sexual feeling, and the tiger's genitals increase potency. The rhino horn is so popular among them that it put the rhino on the brink of extinction. The same kind of demand exists for penis of tigers and various parts of bears, which also put the tigers of the Far East on the brink of extinction.

[Rustiger]

Human babies are harder to get for food, and I believe that there are laws in China regarding killing babies for this purpose. But there seems to be no law against eating aborted human fetuses and miscarriages. A number of abortion hospitals sell aborted uterine fetuses for food. Small uterine fruits are boiled for soup. Late uterine fruits are eaten like fried milk pigs. It is clear that the Chinese government would have shown some awkwardness if Russian journalists wrote about these kinds of things, or made a film about what the Chinese are doing with cats and dogs. But it is in vain worried: Russian journalists understand that it is impossible to publish such information in any way; this would negatively affect public enthusiasm for a closer rapprochement with the Chinese.

Despite the efforts of both parties to prevent these specific Chinese customs from becoming known in Russia, information is available for the persistent seeker. Our article shows photos taken in a restaurant in China; these photographs depict a Chinese eating a distinctly visible late human uterine fetus. For me, these photos are shocking and disgusting, and I think that they will also be shocking and disgusting for the average Russian lemmings. Of course, they will not be shocking to the Chinese. Eating uterine fruits for them is no more strange than, say, for a Frenchman eating snails in garlic sauce.

The significance of this Chinese custom is uterine - even if only wealthy Chinese can afford it so far - is much more than a simple distinction between us and the Chinese in terms of culinary tendencies or in the concept of what is healthy. A society that does not see anything special about eating babies, a race that considers this habit acceptable, is profoundly different from us. These differences lie much deeper than the tongue, skin color, or facial features.

I do not hate the Chinese because they belong to the yellow race. I do not hate them for being different from us. I don’t even hate them because they don’t see anything special about eating aborted children. This is their business. I do not care what they do with cats and dogs, and if it were in my power, I would depopulate China to put an end to this. But I don’t care if they want to eat Chinese uterine fruits - as long as they do it in China, and not here in Russia. But they will do it here if we allow the criminal frenzy of creeping Chinese immigration, judo-democracy and multiculturalism to continue. If there is a demand, then the Jewish-Chechen organized crime will organize the supply. 4,5 million abortions are performed in Russia annually (in 2000). When, on the one hand, millions of Russian babies are cut out in the womb every year, and on the other hand, there are millions of Chinese "gourmets" who want to consume them, the human market the germs are there. And this will be done not only by the Chinese. Think about how much the traditions and moral principles of Russians have changed under the influence of foreigners.

http://www.kongord.ru/Index/Screst/sk121-15.htm

http://www.dst.kg/2007/10/27/kitajjcy-edjat-detejj-ochen-opasno-dlja.html

[lubin]

In this letter, Lenin exposed those who justify the world war as lackeys of capital (from the text).
Agree intelligent and ittelligent in this context - two big differences. [/ Quote]
Decent answer

[Captain45]

After reading the article and the comments to it, I want to ask the following question - is N.S. Mikhalkov an intellectual, and G.K. Kasparov an intellectual? If yes, then the locksmith Uncle Vasya with secondary education who does not pour dirt on his country, does not shouts "screwed-upsepolymers", but modestly, honestly does his job every day and if he drinks his 300 grams on Friday, then this does not make him any worse than Mikhalkov. The article was about a Russian patriot and about patriotism, and if an intellectual and patriot in this case are not synonyms, then the intelligentsia itself is to blame, because for her the words "patriot", "patriotism" have become some kind of bogey. At these words, she begins to come out poisonous saliva and find fault with everything that is possible. So I think not it is worth the intelligentsia to take offense at such an attitude towards it. It's their own fault. Where was the intelligentsia when from the 90s all this dirt poured from the screens and pages of the press to Russia, where they were wise, sophisticated intellectuals and intellectuals when all the dirt and vulgarity crawled in the cinema, whether teraturu.Skulili "there is nothing to eat, how did the sponsors give denyuzhku, who will bite the hand giving, sold for bucks. So now let them sit and not whine that they are not considered people. For what they fought, they ran into it.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

So I did not understand whom the author calls intellectuals? For example, take me, parents of the proletariat, I studied at the school then the factory then SA then the institute, worked as a designer, master as the head of the site now I work as a freemason, I read a lot of historical material, Karamzin, Solovyov and further on the list, so I have a question as ? And if I'm an intellectual, then the article is not true, I am not that .....

[Grey68]

Quote: Chen

There is only one intelligentsia — these are people who use their own minds and talents to make a nation better and cleaner, these are external (internal — ourselves) guardians of the language, traditions, morality, mentality, and intellectual of the people.

In a word, the salt of the earth, etc. - and the rest who?

[Black]

The salt of the earth is our ancestors (internal guardians), for me it is my grandfathers and great-grandfathers, this is my land where I spent my childhood, these are the people who surrounded me, this is the Church of the Nativity of Christ in the village in which I was baptized, my grandfather, great-grandfather, great-great-great ... grandfather.

The intelligentsia (external keepers) is the "touchstone" that "rules" thoughts.
V.M. Shukshin, V.S. Vysotsky, J.I. Alfero, P.L. Kapitsa, L.D. Landau .... do we not sometimes want, at least mentally, to ask them - what would they say, what and how would they do?

[anarch]

It's high time to divide the people into "intellectuals" and "working bone".
"I am one thing, and they are down there, mice, sorry, rats are something else."
An almost verbatim quote from "Chasing Two Hares".
The most interesting thing is that the first and second characters feel equally comfortable in the position "above".
And both in this position are equally unpleasant.
And most of all the author of the article is unpleasant.
About myself.
Father is a metalworking engineer. Mom is an agronomist. Sam is an architect.
One grandfather - the groom, the second - the veterinarian in the Cossack regiment (represessed).
Among great-grandfathers and great-grandfathers there were agronomists, peasants, officers, trainers, civil servants, bridge builders, even professional singers.
With the same disrespect I treat both those who spit on the intelligentsia, and those who shy away from the people from which they came.
It's high time to divide the people into "intellectuals" and "working bone".
It's about time.
There is one conclusion.
The author is a provocateur.

[zart_arn]

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