The year under the sign of Belousov

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The year under the sign of Belousov



The Year of Belousov


For those not versed in the specifics of military development, the appointment of Andrei Removich Belousov to the post of Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation comes as a surprise. He is an absolute technocrat who has dedicated his entire life to the socio-economic development of Russia with a special emphasis on the economic component. To be honest, the term “economist” would be more appropriate for Andrei Belousov, if it existed, since the official’s work was built around the application of economic theories and practices for the benefit of society. It cannot be said that the current minister had nothing in common with the defense department before – in the government, he oversaw the national project “Unmanned aviation system." He is also a fan of Keynesianism, which implies an increase in demand in the country due to military or, to a lesser extent, other government spending. Right now in Russia we are seeing the implementation of this model - the well-being of a considerable part of Russians is growing precisely due to defense spending. Here are payments to contract soldiers and the costs of purchasing military equipment. In fairness, military spending has increased not only in Russia, but also in most countries of the world. According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), last year on the planet weapon and the army spent 2,72 trillion dollars. To put it into perspective, this is 2720 billion dollars. In relative terms, the growth was 9,4 percent. The Swedes claim that Russia spent almost 2024 billion on defense in 150, which is 38 percent more than the previous year. The government spent 7,1 percent of GDP and almost a fifth of all budget expenditures on defense. Let us repeat, this is SIPRI data, but for lack of other data, we will rely on foreign opinions.




It is significant that the enemy's, that is, Ukraine's, spending last year amounted to 43 percent of Russia's, or $64,7 billion. For some, this may be a reason for gloating. Like, why, with such an imbalance, haven't they taken Kyiv yet? You can't compare these parameters head-on. Firstly, the armies are incomparable in size, and the spending on them varies. Secondly, numerous deliveries of equipment and resources to Ukraine that bypass the budget are not taken into account. From abroad, from offices sympathetic to the Banderites, for example. Thirdly, Russia has a lot of military resources that are not directly involved in the SVO, but also require considerable funding. For example, Strategic Missile Forces, all fleets, in addition to the Black Sea, and a host of other defense institutions. Ukraine, on the contrary, has thrown all its resources into resistance, leaving itself no margin of safety. SIPRI calculated that Zelensky spends 34 percent of GDP on military expenditures – the largest expenditure in the world. The Swedes note:

Ukraine currently spends all of its tax revenue on the military. With such limited budget space, it will be difficult for Ukraine to continue increasing military spending.

In this sense, Russia is in a much more privileged position – to achieve parity in relative expenditures with the enemy, the Kremlin can increase funding almost fivefold. From those same 7 percent of GDP to 34. Of course, this will be extremely painful, since our country does not receive financial support from any state in the world. Unlike Ukraine. What is the point of all these calculations? To illustrate the situation in which Belousov's team worked all last year. The Minister of Defense from the economic bloc simply could not ignore Russia's position on this issue.

Minister of Urgent Affairs


On May 14, 2024, a man who was immediately entrusted with a lot became the Minister of Defense in Russia. He had to deal with corruption in the Army, optimize expenses, send modern equipment to the front, and significantly shift the front itself to the West. A year has passed, and we can draw preliminary conclusions. It is worth mentioning right away that events at the fronts very indirectly depend on the change in the leadership of the military department. Because all combat work is managed by the General Staff, and its head, Army General Valery Gerasimov, remained in place, as we know. From this we can conclude that Belousov and his first deputy found a common language in a year of work. Or the work profiles of the two officials have become so demarcated that they rarely intersect in their careers.

We have to judge by indirect signs, but there is every reason to believe that it was Andrei Belousov who managed to set up the financing of the special military operation in such a way that it would have a minimal impact on the state budget. First of all, on the fulfillment of social obligations. It was clearly possible to select internal reserves and save a lot of money. For example, on optimizing expenses for the annual Army forum. I remember that the favorite brainchild of the previous minister was held on a grand scale - both in the difficult year of 2022 and in the relatively stable 2023. Last year, the Army was not closed, but it was significantly reduced. From the same opera is the large-scale work of the special services to identify corruption in the work of the ministry. The stolen property of Ivanov alone is probably enough to form a couple of infantry regiments, if not divisions. Enormous work in Belousov's department is being done to provide logistical support for the expanding Army. The minister's trip last summer to Primorsky Krai, where, to put it mildly, not everything is going smoothly with military construction, was indicative. The same Timur Ivanov supervised this work. The Minister of Defense had a characteristic conversation with one of the contractors:

"You will report to me monthly the number of mechanisms and the number of people. And just try not to deliver on time." In response: "We understand social responsibility." Andrey Belousov: "This will be your criminal liability. Not social."

The discussion was about housing for the 155th Guards Brigade of the Pacific Fleet, which is currently fighting in the North-Eastern Military District. And Belousov has more than enough of such housing throughout the country. Suffice it to say that newly created military units will appear in the Leningrad Military District on the border with Finland. These are not tens, but hundreds of thousands of personnel with families. They need somewhere to live, place equipment, arrange family life, education and leisure. All of this is being handled by the financial block of the Ministry of Defense under Belousov's leadership. The work is in full swing, as indirectly evidenced by the slight hysteria in Scandinavia. If they are worried, it means everything is going according to plan.


It is not easy to talk about the results of Belousov's first year in the military department. Firstly, it is clear that the situation does not allow him to share the intricacies of the work at weekly press briefings. Secondly, Belousov himself is far from a public figure and does not often work with the public. In this respect, he is strikingly different from his predecessor. If we touch directly on military work, then the minister can be credited with the creation of a new branch of the unmanned systems forces. As was said above, Belousov oversaw the corresponding direction in the government and logically transferred this work to the defense department. True, with a great delay - the formation of UAV troops was announced in the middle of last December, and in Ukraine the order to create a similar structure was signed in January 2024. The speed of formation of new Russian units is not yet amazing, but it has been promised that the issues will be closed somewhere in the third quarter of this year. Given the domestic tradition of shifting everything to the right, it is very difficult to believe in this.

Indirect signs of Belousov's influence on personnel work in the General Staff were a more attentive attitude towards commanders who carried out direct combat work from the brigade and below. They are the ones who have the most reliable information about events at the fronts. A number of sources attribute this to the new Minister of Defense.

Despite the considerable volume of very important work, the department under the leadership of Andrei Belousov has only just begun to transform itself to meet the new demands of the times. This process is not yet fast, although the new minister has the power to significantly speed it up. Never before has the Ministry of Defense been so important for Russia, and this places unprecedented responsibility on Andrei Removich.
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  1. + 28
    12 May 2025 04: 42
    One thing is certain: it is absolutely necessary to disperse the Shoygu-shatnik and burn it out with a hot iron. The people who allowed it and bred it must be judged.
    1. + 43
      12 May 2025 05: 38
      I remember the times when here at VO, they sang so many praises of Shoigu, right up to SVO. They didn’t know how to express their servility even more strongly.
      And what happened that the vector of "love" changed for the hurray-quarkles? We must be consistent - otherwise, just like "weather vanes" in the wind. As for the new minister - there was so much loyal obsequiousness here right from the start, as soon as he was approved - even his face was compared to Suvorov's... Only now, the real Suvorov stands and chuckles, on the sidelines...
      1. + 10
        12 May 2025 06: 37
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        I remember the times when here in the Military District, so many praises were sung for Shoigu, right up to the SVO. ...

        Let's try to understand the situation, at least briefly...
        Indeed, the appointment of Shoigu as Minister of Defense was positively received by the majority of those related to the Army and Navy... why??? It's simple - remember who headed the ministry before him and what they did - Serdyukov was right! I think there is no point in listing his "mistakes" as Minister.
        Next, let's recall once again the functions of the Minister of Defense. Many of those present at the forum DO NOT KNOW them AT ALL... confusing them with the functions of the General Staff and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, let me remind you.
        Management of the Armed Forces. Including their transfer to the organization and composition of wartime and the organization of their use.
        Submission of draft laws on defense issues to the President or the Government of the Russian Federation for consideration.
        Submission to the President of the Russian Federation for approval of the concept and plan for the construction and development of the Armed Forces, the plan for the application and the mobilization plan.
        Organization of interaction in the field of defense with federal government bodies, government bodies of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, local government bodies and organizations.
        Submission to the Government of the Russian Federation of proposals on defense expenditures, the procedure for spending funds allocated to the Ministry of Defense, and determining the conditions for the financial and economic activities of Armed Forces organizations.
        Issuing orders, directives, regulations, guidelines, instructions, charters and other regulatory acts, giving instructions, organizing and checking their implementation.
        Management of personnel work in the Armed Forces.
        Resolving issues related to military service by servicemen of the Armed Forces and assigning them military ranks.
        Determination of the procedure for the establishment and use of flags, departmental awards and other military heraldic symbols in the Armed Forces.
        Resolving issues of ensuring the rights of military personnel, civilian personnel of the Armed Forces, citizens discharged from military service, and members of their families, providing them with social guarantees and compensation.
        Organization of control over financial, economic and business activities of the Armed Forces.
        Approval of plans and programs for types of support for the Armed Forces, plans for capital construction in the Armed Forces.
        Adoption of new and modernized models of weapons and military equipment, as well as decommissioning of obsolete models.

        Well, now the question??? How can ordinary military personnel and officers (except for the senior command staff) really check the performance of their duties and evaluate them? If according to the reports everything is fine (re-equipment is underway, equipment is changing, arsenals are being replenished)? And this is repeated not only by the Minister of Defense, but by more "competent" leaders.
        The SVO revealed a lot of SYSTEMIC miscalculations. There is not so much modern equipment, there is a shortage of ammunition, modern methods of warfare are poorly studied, personnel work is not carried out well enough... and so on down the list. When this became clear, claims appeared against the Government in general and the Minister of Defense in particular. Incidentally, this also became clear to the Supreme. Certain organizational conclusions followed, inspections began, criminal cases appeared against the direct deputies of the Minister - accordingly, the attitude towards him also changed.
        In addition to the current situation, problems were also revealed in the General Staff (I won’t describe its functions), and the Supreme Commander also admitted his mistakes.
        Further, regarding Belousov, I didn’t see any particular enthusiasm regarding his appointment, on the other hand, competent people understood one thing - he is, first and foremost, a BUSINESS MANAGER, which is exactly what the Minister of Defense should be.
        Conclusion. Systemic problems can be eliminated only with the help of Systemic changes, that is, changes not only at the level of the MINISTRY OF DEFENSE, but at the level of all ministries, the Prime Minister, the General Staff and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
        It remains to be hoped that all the guilty will receive their due.
        1. + 28
          12 May 2025 07: 20
          Alexey, the kindest! hi
          Shoigu's deputy stole... And he? Didn't know? Didn't he turn a blind eye? Or was he in charge? Questions...
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          2. -3
            12 May 2025 07: 50
            Quote: novel xnumx

            Shoigu's deputy stole... And he? Didn't know? Didn't he turn a blind eye? Or was he in charge? Questions...

            Hello roma soldier
            How can I know this? You and I can only put forward our assumptions... let the investigation sort it out and the courts work.
            And there are really a lot of QUESTIONS about planning and preparing the SVO, and throughout the entire branch... The Supreme, the Prime Minister, the General Staff, the Ministries (including the Ministry of Defense) and the Ministers. I repeat once again, I hope all the guilty will be repaid according to their deeds.
            1. +2
              12 May 2025 07: 50
              I hope all the guilty will be rewarded according to their deeds.

              Amen!
          3. + 15
            12 May 2025 08: 37
            Shoigu's deputies stole... And he? Didn't know?

            Serdyukov, for example, turned out to be a witness to his own crimes and not even an accomplice. wink
          4. +1
            12 May 2025 13: 15
            Not only the Tuvan hunter, but also his best friend VVP turned a blind eye to all this theft!!!!!!! am
          5. +2
            12 May 2025 16: 10
            Quote: novel xnumx
            Alexey, the kindest! hi
            Shoigu's deputy stole... And he? Didn't know? Didn't he turn a blind eye? Or was he in charge? Questions...

            We ask ourselves questions. To which we know the answers. The higher-ups are silent and from time to time they show the people the former Ministry of Defense... They look at the people's reaction... And wait for something. That is the main question. What are they waiting for?
            1. +3
              12 May 2025 16: 19
              Quote: 30 vis
              What are they waiting for?

              "It has become known that Shoigu's contract for military service has been extended
              RIA Novosti: Shoigu's contract for military service extended until 2030"

              https://www.gazeta.ru/social/news/2025/05/12/25761254.shtml
              Quote: 30 vis
              We ask ourselves questions. To which we know the answers.

              sad
              1. -1
                12 May 2025 21: 18
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                "It has become known that Shoigu's contract for military service has been extended

                [Quote] [/ quote] request am
          6. +3
            12 May 2025 17: 14
            He must answer these questions to investigators, at least as a witness.
          7. +2
            12 May 2025 17: 31
            The announcement that Shoigu is undergoing a “routine medical examination” indicates that his political fate has become clearer.

            A medical examination is a mandatory requirement for military personnel before discharge into the reserve (retirement).

            Thus, Shoigu will either quietly hang up his army general's uniform in the closet, start receiving the military pension he is entitled to, and at best retire to the Federation Council. Or he will be brought in to investigate criminal cases of corruption in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense.

            The latter option would be probable, since without the sanction of the Minister of Defense, as evidenced by the investigation, corrupt activity could not be carried out due to the peculiarities of administrative regulations. The movement of funds through the bank accounts of Shoigu, his relatives and close associates is not confirmed by the amounts of legal income. In the event of a public trial, these facts (confirmed by the defendants in the criminal cases) will hardly be hidden.

            Shoigu's absence from the celebratory events is a sign that a consensus has been reached in the highest echelons of power regarding his future.
        2. + 21
          12 May 2025 08: 17
          who headed the ministry before him and what did he do? Serdyukov is correct!

          Why didn't they sing Serdyukov's praises at first? Even after his resignation I met people who wrote that this was a cunning plan and a screen behind which we built SUCH an army that would make you go crazy!
          1. +5
            12 May 2025 11: 38
            Quote: Engineer
            This is a cunning plan and a screen behind which we have built SUCH an army that will blow your mind!

            Isn't that right? Isn't that why, after all he'd done, they put the Hero's Star on his jacket?
            1. +4
              12 May 2025 13: 18
              "The Hero Star" is now ONLY awarded to guys who are actually fighting at the front!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
              1. +1
                12 May 2025 16: 43
                It's a common thing - some deserve it, others receive it.
          2. +1
            15 May 2025 14: 32
            Quote: Engineer
            We have built SUCH an army that it will blow your mind!

            Well, they built it. Look, the army has been swinging for three years now. Now towards Kyiv, now back.
        3. + 13
          12 May 2025 10: 17

          Further, regarding Belousov, I didn’t see any particular enthusiasm regarding his appointment, on the other hand, competent people understood one thing - he is, first and foremost, a BUSINESS MANAGER, which is exactly what the Minister of Defense should be.


          Exactly the same as about Serdyukov, they said the same thing, that he is first and foremost a manager.

          Systemic changes, that is, changes not only at the level of the Ministry of Defense, but at the level of all ministries, the Prime Minister, the General Staff and the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.


          This is already an attempt on the “state system”, the entire vertical of power is based on such “managers”, these “managers” are given “fiefdoms/feudal estates”, they in turn will support Putin to the last, because when Putin leaves, another person will come, he will place his people everywhere.
          Well, the Ministry of Defense has always been the richest “feudal domain.” A million people under its control, colossal budgets, including a classified part, billions can be spent on developing new weapons systems, I think there have always been plenty of people willing to control these cash flows, let’s say the unpredictable course of the SVO allowed one clan to displace another clan from these flows.
        4. +6
          12 May 2025 15: 38
          Systemic changes are IMPOSSIBLE. It's all one big System and the people appointed to it have long been part of the system. You simply won't fit in if you think differently and want to change something. Prigozhin wanted to change, the result is clear.
      2. + 15
        12 May 2025 07: 25
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        So many praises were sung for Shoigu

        Quote: Monster_Fat
        Regarding the new minister, there was so much servile obsequiousness here right from the start.

        It's a tradition. The new boss is always good, and the one before him is bad. When they replace Belousov, it will be the same, they will vilify him, and extol the new one...
        1. + 16
          12 May 2025 08: 02
          And so it is in everything. The enemies of the USSR imposed Yeltsin on us in 1991, because for them the communists were bad, then Putin is good for them, because Yeltsin was bad, because "and you remember what happened in the 90s."
          1. +5
            12 May 2025 11: 43
            Now they will remember the 10-20s, and in many ways rightly so. The impoverishment of the population, the destruction of medicine and the beginning of the replacement of Russians by Islamists began in the XNUMXs and is now flourishing. And this is against the backdrop of the war.
          2. +4
            12 May 2025 13: 22
            ...is it not true that Gorbachev and Yeltsin and their teams were bad????
            And VVP is still a fan of the alcoholic Yeltsin, and THIS makes me very wary!!!!!!
          3. -1
            12 May 2025 16: 51
            So the USSR itself actively used this scheme, demonizing the entire history of the Russian Empire before 1917. I remember the Soviet history textbooks very well - before October 17, the country did not live, but vegetated. And the Soviet General Secretaries acted in the same paradigm, except that it was taboo to touch Lenin. And everyone after him was dragged through the mud by his successors - the personality cult of Stalin, the voluntarism of Khrushchev, the stagnation of Brezhnev. It turns out that all the General Secretaries of the CPSU Central Committee after Stalin were enemies of the USSR.
            1. -2
              12 May 2025 17: 01
              Enough already with the lies and cowardly "shifting the blame" from what you, the enemies of the USSR, have done yourselves. Unlike you, the Soviet communists never slandered those from whom they took the country, and did not stick boorish, offensive "nicknames" on them and that country.
              They, unlike you, respected the history of their country and people, and they, unlike you, did not need to lie, slander, or be hypocritical to justify the seizure of their country; they did not need to cowardly shift the responsibility for their seizure of their country onto those from whom they took it.
              1. 0
                16 May 2025 14: 51
                It's funny. You seem to have forgotten.
                1. 0
                  20 May 2025 20: 47
                  They forgot nothing. In the USSR, they studied the history of the Russian Empire, the tsars and their deeds quite normally, quite neutrally. Well, maybe from the point of view of the hegemon at that time - the people, their interests. But in general, there was a scientific approach. Because they respected themselves and the people, they were building a strong state, and therefore, an educated one. Therefore - a scientific approach in everything. The highest standard. Not like now - the more stinking the slop, the better it sells.
      3. +6
        12 May 2025 07: 42
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        So many praises were sung for Shoigu,

        That's right. For peacetime, Shoigu seemed like a suitable Minister of Defense. For the period of the Central Military District and this economic war that the West has unleashed against Russia, the economist Belousov is a better fit for the role of Minister.
        1. +4
          12 May 2025 16: 56
          Shoigu is a talented PR man, and to a greater extent a self-promoter. It is he (we will not go into the question of who put him in this position and who he suited for 12 years, including two war years) who is responsible for turning the army into a parade-biathlon troupe, in fact, into a circus troupe.
      4. + 11
        12 May 2025 09: 06
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        What happened that the vector of "love" changed for the hurray-quackers?

        The master simply ordered...
      5. +2
        12 May 2025 13: 40
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        I remember the times when here at VO, they sang so many praises of Shoigu, right up to SVO. They didn’t know how to express their servility even more strongly.
        And what happened that the vector of "love" changed for the hurray-quarkles? We must be consistent - otherwise, just like "weather vanes" in the wind. As for the new minister - there was so much loyal obsequiousness here right from the start, as soon as he was approved - even his face was compared to Suvorov's... Only now, the real Suvorov stands and chuckles, on the sidelines...

        Suvorov was not a Minister of Defense. He was a Warrior. And his attitude to power is well known.
      6. +4
        12 May 2025 21: 56
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        I remember the times when here in the Military District, so many praises were sung for Shoigu, right up to the SVO.
        Why not sing? 70% of new equipment in the troops. Armata, Kurganets, Koalitsiya, Su-57, Sarmat - here they are, at parades. Yes, my military friends don't have them, but they are near Moscow, not the most dangerous direction, they can wait. The preparation of the troops is visible in the tank biathlon. Still awesome! Until the truthful information comes from the SVO. Not Konashenkov, but "Shoigu, Gerasimov, where are the shells?!!!" Where the soldiers bought their own equipment and first aid kits. Where millions of uniforms disappeared. Where they held parades near Haimars. And so on. That's when the vector of "love" changed.
      7. 0
        12 May 2025 23: 23
        I remember how here on VO they called the DPRK army cardboard and that it was incapable of anything in a confrontation with South Korea. Frankly, the crowd here is not always very smart.
        1. -2
          13 May 2025 16: 47
          Quote: Arzoo
          I remember how here on VO they called the DPRK army cardboard and that it was incapable of anything in a confrontation with South Korea. Frankly, the crowd here is not always very smart.

          Well, our war correspondents wrote that they wanted to attack beautifully, in large numbers. Right under the drones and machine guns... And the fact that they lost 600 people killed also says something.
      8. +1
        20 May 2025 21: 53
        But purely externally it really is similar. True, the look, of course, is not the same
    2. + 30
      12 May 2025 05: 56
      Shoigushnik, Serdyukovshchina... And who, actually, appointed these characters? Who supported their vigorous activity? However, it is a mystery...
      1. + 17
        12 May 2025 06: 06
        There is no mystery. Russian President Putin V.V.
      2. -8
        12 May 2025 07: 05
        Quote: paul3390
        Shoigushnik, Serdyukovshchina... And who, actually, appointed these characters? Who supported their vigorous activity? However, it is a mystery...

        And who appointed Voroshilov as People's Commissar of Defense? According to the results of whose activities, a shortage of 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles was revealed, and the mobilization lists had not been updated since 1927? Who supported his vigorous activity? It's not a mystery at all...
        The only difference is that back then, thank God, they couldn’t steal in such quantities as they do today...
        1. +4
          12 May 2025 07: 22
          There was no need. They stole for consumption, but you can't eat much.
          1. +2
            12 May 2025 07: 39
            Quote: novel xnumx
            There was no need. They stole for consumption, but you can't eat much.

            Let me remind you about comrade Koreiko (a real character taken from feuilletons!!!) - and how many such Koreikos were not caught by the OGPU/NKVD, God knows....
            1. +4
              12 May 2025 07: 41
              I think it's not enough to steal like that - you need talent. And so: an apartment, a summer house, a bicycle... products from the market
              1. +3
                12 May 2025 08: 09
                Quote: novel xnumx
                I think it's not enough to steal like that - you need talent. And so: an apartment, a summer house, a bicycle... products from the market

                lol lol
                "Meeting of the People's Commissariat of Communications and the Prosecutor's Office", 1934 - gives an idea of ​​the scale of the thefts at that time. Read it, it's impressive.....
                "In one Post Office in the Moscow region, they stole a quarter of belay translations only belay 1,4 million(!!!!) belay rubles" - to understand the volume of theft - Stalin's party maximum was 600 rubles, the T-26 tank cost 230.
                And such nonsense in all departments of the People's Commissariat of Communications in 1934...
                I figured - with the money stolen from 3 post offices in ONE (!!!) quarter it would have been possible to buy Mosin rifles for 23 belay divisions belay
                And you - naively - "bicycle" lol lol lol lol

                Hmm, a little later, 1970s
                "Only during the filming of the scene of the execution of the old man Silantiy, 6 were stolen, and in total during the filming of the movie "Eternal Call" about 000 were stolen."
        2. +4
          12 May 2025 11: 45
          Every tsar has his own "Petersburg"...
      3. +2
        12 May 2025 07: 21
        This is how you will agree to something unknown... The Queen is above suspicion!
        1. +7
          12 May 2025 08: 10
          Quote: novel xnumx
          The Queen is above suspicion!

          I'll fix it......... Caesar's wife must be above suspicion
          or, Chancellor A.R.Vorontsov ....... a senator must be like Caesar's wife - free from suspicion.
          or, the Minister of Defense should be like........... (see Vorontsov's words above)
          1. +2
            12 May 2025 08: 48
            Thank you, I'm getting old, I guess hi
      4. 0
        12 May 2025 13: 25
        ...someone quietly whispered into my right, unfortunately deaf ear, that this is the man who appointed the Head Alcoholic of Russia as his successor....
    3. AAK
      + 17
      12 May 2025 06: 59
      And with which of those who "allowed and bred Shoigu-shatnik" do you propose to start, colleague?!
      Well, and a small remark, a year has passed since the appointment of the new minister, but, if my memory serves me right, not a single sentence has been passed in the courts against the participants of the "Shoygushatnik"... or is someone holding up?
      1. +8
        12 May 2025 07: 51
        Quote: AAK
        Well, and a small remark, a year has passed since the appointment of the new minister, but, if my memory serves me right, not a single sentence has been passed in the courts against the participants of the "Shoygushatnik"... or is someone holding up?

        Slander feel , sentences off the top of my head:
        Grocers
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7640655
        Connectors
        https://tass.ru/info/23708341
        Patriot Park
        https://sevastopol.su/news/po-delam-o-khischeniyakh-v-minoborony-nachali-vynosit-pervye-prigovory
        1. +8
          12 May 2025 12: 34
          Quote: your1970
          Grocers
          https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/7640655

          As Kommersant has learned, defendants in a high-profile criminal case involving bribery in the Defense Ministry’s food department, which has been under investigation since 2017, received sentences of seven to ten years in a strict regime prison.
          in the 9th year... And what does Belousov have to do with it?)))
          Quote: your1970
          Connectors
          https://tass.ru/info/23708341

          On July 19, 2018, the Savelovsky Court of Moscow arrested Maxim Kuksin
          It took only 7 years here)))
          Quote: your1970
          Patriot Park
          https://sevastopol.su/news/po-delam-o-khischeniyakh-v-minoborony-nachali-vynosit-pervye-prigovory

          These are small fry in general.
          The question was about the Shaiga deputies who were fired when the reindeer herder was removed. Not ONE.
          But the most important question is why the plywood itself remained untouched?
          The question is rhetorical, if that.
          1. -4
            12 May 2025 15: 10
            Quote: Zoer
            The question was about the Shaiga deputies who were fired when the reindeer herder was removed. Not ONE.

            You may not have noticed time investigation of cases???!!!
            Quote: Zoer
            in the 9th year

            Quote: Zoer
            7 years

            They flew off year ago - and you want that already were there any sentences??!!
            1. +6
              12 May 2025 15: 13
              Quote: your1970
              They flew off a year ago - and you want there to be sentences already??!!

              As was rightly noted here, General Popov was convicted in less than a year. Without evidence and without a victim. And he spent the entire investigation in a pretrial detention center. And where have these ghouls been sitting for all these 7-8 years? It's a sham, nothing more. They're blowing off steam, saying they're fighting corruption. Aha!
              1. 0
                12 May 2025 15: 24
                Quote: Zoer
                As was rightly noted here, General Popov was convicted in less than a year

                Since I have not read the verdict, I cannot judge this issue.
                I am extremely interested in how the region did not become the injured party - that is, it transferred the metal structures to someone, but at the same time the army did not accept them on the balance sheet - so that Popov would not be guilty of their theft. And if they were accepted on the balance sheet - then the guilty party for ALL in the army, a commander. Whether he trusted the crooks, was in on it or not, took bribes or not - but in fact, theft by SOMEONE should have been his other article. But he was given for theft...
                1. +4
                  12 May 2025 15: 39
                  Quote: your1970
                  If they were accepted onto the balance sheet, then the commander is guilty of EVERYTHING in the army.

                  So why then are THOSE being kept under house arrest for 7-8 years?
                  What about Serdyukov, whose trust was taken advantage of by one woman of low social responsibility? Or is it something else? laughing
                  1. -1
                    12 May 2025 15: 48
                    Quote: Zoer
                    So why then are THOSE being kept under house arrest for 7-8 years?
                    What about Serdyukov, whose trust was taken advantage of by one woman of low social responsibility? Or is it something else?

                    Difference between Commander и the chief - is prescribed in the Charters and regulations. And it differs quite significantly legally.
                    1. +4
                      12 May 2025 16: 06
                      Quote: your1970
                      The difference between a commander and a chief is spelled out in the Charters and regulations. And it differs quite significantly legally.

                      laughing You're really smart at getting around it! But still... The Minister of Defense is not just a boss, if that matters))) But you keep on hanging noodles)))
                      1. 0
                        12 May 2025 16: 29
                        Quote: Zoer
                        The Minister of Defense is not just a boss, just in case)))

                        The People's Commissar of Defense is not just a boss, by the way? Really?!!
                        "Rifles rusted to the point of being unusable for shooting, a shortage of 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles, the lack of verification of the lists of those mobilized from 1927 to 1940, conducting exercises on paper, an unknown belay exact number belay "RKKA" and further, there are many belay sheets of defects belay in the act of acceptance and delivery of the People's Commissariat of Defense dated 07.05.1940/XNUMX/XNUMX....
                        There, replace the old words like rifles and People's Commissariat with new ones - you won't even guess under whom such a mess was created....
                        Stalin personally slit his throat? Impaled him? At least shot him?
                        No, on the day of the People's Commissariat's handover - 07.05 - he became deputy chairman of the Council of People's Commissars of the USSR lol lol
                        "You don't abandon your own"
                      2. +1
                        12 May 2025 16: 46
                        Yes, yes, Voroshilov and his deputies stole everything and took it to Germany.
                        Under Voroshilov, the Red Army was rearmed with modern weapons and equipped with technically new models of tanks and aircraft, as well as artillery guns. As part of the army's modernization, K. E. Voroshilov met with designers, visited factories, appointed special commissions to test the combat qualities of new guns, which included experienced military specialists - N. N. Voronov, V. D. Grendal, M. V. Zakharov, G. K. Savchenko and others, and actively participated in the consideration of the commissions' conclusions. In addition, new ranks and insignia were approved in the Red Army, and new uniforms were introduced.

                        Can plywood boast of this?
                        Well, Voroshilov defeated Finnov in less than 5 months. These guys, God willing, will manage in 5 years, and that's by agreement...
                        Isn't it funny for you to compare? fool
                      3. -1
                        12 May 2025 17: 07
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Isn't it funny for you to compare?

                        If he is so good
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Under Voroshilov, the Red Army was rearmed with modern weapons and

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Voroshilov defeated Finnov in less than 5 months.
                        - then this means that some belay face those who signed the Act of Acceptance and Transfer of the People's Commissariat - scoundrels and villains, who maliciously slandered (“rusty rifles that were impossible to fire, etc.) an excellent military leader.
                        The man under whom the exact number of the Red Army could not be calculated is anyone but a military man.
                      4. +3
                        12 May 2025 17: 09
                        Quote: your1970
                        - then this means that some belay persons who signed the Acceptance and Transfer Act of the People's Commissariat are scoundrels and villains who maliciously slandered ("rusty rifles that were impossible to fire, etc.) an excellent military leader.

                        This means that there are no screw-ups, only for those who do nothing. That's exactly what our state grandfathers are talking about. They are doing great. Everything is fine, beautiful marquise...
                        Just now, a geostrategist stated that our nuclear forces are 100% new! wassat
                        Ага.
                      5. -1
                        12 May 2025 17: 57
                        Quote: Zoer
                        This means that there are no mistakes, only for those who do nothing

                        Hmm, the same can be said about the current ones - if not knowing the exact number of the Red Army is just a "jamb".
                        Well, that's just the commanders' indifference. All levels hiding the true number of units from their superior commanders. They ignored their superiors and fed them nonsense....
                      6. +2
                        13 May 2025 08: 34
                        Quote: your1970
                        Hmm, the same can be said about the current ones - if not knowing the exact number of the Red Army is just a "jamb".

                        Only the result is important.
                        Tech - industrialization of the country. Victory in the Great Patriotic War and the Great Patriotic War, unleashed by Hitler. Bringing the country to the level of a superpower. The population grows, welfare improves.
                        These guys have deindustrialized the country. They themselves brought it to the SVO. There is not even a hint of a convincing victory. The country is at the level of Brazil or Mexico, and only thanks to the Soviet legacy and the country's mineral wealth. The population is impoverished and dying out. I won't even mention the replacements with savages from the Middle East.
                        Here is a comparative picture of the results. negative
                      7. +2
                        13 May 2025 09: 51
                        Quote: your1970
                        Hmm, the same can be said about the current ones - if not knowing the exact number of the Red Army is just a "jamb".

                        And yes, here you have accused Voroshilov of some rusty rifles and the absence of mobilization lists. When in Tuvan self-mobilization it was revealed that there were no entire military units listed on paper. Because of this people were mobilized to bare fields, or to abandoned military towns at best. What are you trying to compare? fool
                      8. -2
                        14 May 2025 05: 58
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And yes, here you accused Voroshilov of some rusty rifles and the absence of mobilization lists.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Because of this, people were mobilized into bare fields, or at best into abandoned military towns.

                        Well, that means you haven't read the Act of Transfer of the People's Commissariat - since you give an example perfect 100% coincidence of situations lol lol
                        And yes
                        Quote: Zoer
                        you are here for Voroshilov

                        let me remind you - all this Voroshilov was charged by slightly different people. If they lied when writing the Act, that's not for me.
                        But looking at the first 2 years of WWII, it is clear that they were 500% true.
                      9. 0
                        14 May 2025 08: 15
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, that is, you haven’t read the Act of Transfer of the People’s Commissariat - since you are giving an example of an ideal 100% coincidence of situations

                        Well then, send me the document and the quote about Voroshilov's entire missing military units.
                      10. -2
                        14 May 2025 12: 05
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Quote: your1970
                        Well, that is, you haven’t read the Act of Transfer of the People’s Commissariat - since you are giving an example of an ideal 100% coincidence of situations

                        Well then, send me the document and the quote about Voroshilov's entire missing military units.

                        If I send you the Act, you will shout that it is fake. Yourselves, yourselves, with your hands...
                        You can't throw it off, it's too big - if you take it with the attached documents. But even without them it's too big

                        Z. S
                        When the army has not approved the staffing of units for several years, the verification of mobilized personnel has not been carried out, and mobilized personnel are called up in a clean lol the field - even without tents - is to comrade Voroshilov...."
                      11. +1
                        14 May 2025 12: 47
                        Quote: your1970
                        If I send you the Act, you will shout that it is fake.

                        Oh my, how beautiful it is! You send a link and a quote. Then I'll check everything.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Ourselves, ourselves, with our hands...

                        No, my friend, the burden of proof is on the asserting party. tongue
                        Quote: your1970
                        When the army had not approved the staffing of units for several years, the verification of mobilized units was not carried out

                        Well, they weren't approved... That doesn't mean they don't exist. Just bureaucratic shortcomings. No actual theft or embezzlement was found on Voroshilov's part. Otherwise, Stalin's good attitude wouldn't have saved him.
                        But the reindeer herder actually had military personnel and uniforms for a million mobilization reserves on paper, but in fact there was nothing available. This is banal theft. And you are trying to compare the 5th point with a finger. negative
                      12. -3
                        14 May 2025 13: 20
                        Quote: Zoer
                        No actual theft or embezzlement was found on Voroshilov's part
                        it only his plus...
                        It would have been better if he had stolen - the defeats and losses of the first 2 years of WWII are his direct sins...

                        Quote: Zoer
                        But the reindeer herder actually had military personnel and uniforms worth a million in mobilization reserves on paper, but in fact there was nothing available.

                        Comrade Voroshilov has a shortage of 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles. They ALSO they went somewhere and that's exactly it NOT banal theft - there was no point in stealing them lol ...

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Well, they haven't been approved... But that doesn't mean they don't exist.
                        Yeah, and in the Act it is written in Russian that there are no states. If you don't understand that
                        Quote: your1970
                        ignorance of the exact number of the Red Army
                        - this is not a joke of the garbage, only for this it was already possible to shoot. At least for not knowing the exact need for weapons, equipment and supplies. And the rear guards knew how to steal even then...
                      13. +1
                        14 May 2025 13: 35
                        Quote: your1970
                        the defeats and losses of the first 2 years of the Great Patriotic War are his direct sins...

                        These are your personal fantasies and nothing more.
                        In fact, thanks to his reforms in the Red Army, Hitler's blitzkrieg failed.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Comrade Voroshilov is short 300 tanks and 520 armored vehicles. They ALSO went somewhere and this is NOT banal theft

                        Quote: your1970
                        this is its only plus...

                        At least you decide for yourself)))
                        The highest elites of the USSR did not steal. And they lived more modestly than the current mayor of Muhoska. This is a fact that is useless to argue with.
                        Quote: your1970
                        This is not a joke of garbage, for this alone it was already possible to shoot. At least for ignorance of the exact need for weapons, equipment and supplies.

                        So the current commander-in-chief and the former minister of defense generally live in the land of pink ponies.
                        Quote: your1970
                        And even then, the rear guards knew how to steal.

                        Well, yes. Boots and buttons, perhaps, and in individual quantities.
                      14. -2
                        14 May 2025 13: 47
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Well, yes. Boots and buttons, perhaps, and in individual quantities.

                        Therefore, during the Great Patriotic War, out of 56 Red Army generals executed, 7 were executed for theft.
                        A rear colonel who distributed 2 echelons of food gifts to the front - "unidentified civilians"
                        Etc.....
                        Quote: Zoer
                        In fact, thanks to him reforms belay In the Red Army, Hitler's blitzkrieg failed.
                        - you didn't read the act... Calling Voroshilov's chaos and anarchy "reforms" - although even the act directly points to the complete chaos in the department, well, that's so-so...

                        Quote: Zoer
                        So the current commander-in-chief and the former minister of defense generally live in the land of pink ponies.

                        Our argument is pointless - our positions on Voroshilov are strictly opposite, mine is supported by the Act, yours by nothing - except that he was not shot.
                        If you want to consider a mechanic superior in military genius to a builder, then go ahead.
                      15. 0
                        14 May 2025 15: 39
                        Quote: your1970
                        Therefore, during the Great Patriotic War, out of 56 Red Army generals executed, 7 were executed for theft.

                        Back then, people were shot for much worse things.
                        Quote: your1970
                        A rear colonel who distributed 2 echelons of food gifts to the front - "unidentified civilians"
                        Etc.....

                        Well, it's about the same as when General Popov stole 170 tons of rolled metal. He stole such a small ship)))
                        Quote: your1970
                        - you didn't read the act... Calling Voroshilov's chaos and anarchy "reforms" - although even the act directly points to the complete chaos in the department, well, that's so-so...

                        I still haven’t seen any links or quotes from the report about the absence of entire military units and a million sets of uniforms from you.
                        But there are other assessments of his activities. And they are positive.
                        Quote: your1970
                        If you want to consider a mechanic superior in military genius to a builder, then go ahead.

                        Well, it's better than a reindeer herder and a thief. Yes
                      16. -2
                        14 May 2025 18: 44
                        Quote: Zoer
                        But there are other assessments of his activities. And they are positive.

                        This means that the persons who signed the Act are scoundrels, envious people, villains and slanderers, since Voroshilov’s assessments are exclusively positive.
                        Or not? They didn't slander, but rather stated the chaos in the army?
                      17. +1
                        15 May 2025 10: 05
                        Quote: your1970
                        This means that the persons who signed the Act are scoundrels, envious people, villains and slanderers, since Voroshilov’s assessments are exclusively positive.
                        Or not?

                        Who the hell knows. Are you familiar with the term "Lysenkoism"? Maybe that was the case, or maybe there really were shortcomings, which is what I'm inclined to believe. But shortcomings and oversights are one thing. But deliberate indifference and total, I repeat - TOTAL theft, is something else entirely.
                      18. -2
                        15 May 2025 12: 33
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And deliberate indifference

                        When the commander of an air regiment comes to the airfield drunk as hell, takes off, starts doing aerobatics so that 3 planes crash (3 cadets + 3 instructors), he crashes himself - and as a result an order is issued prohibiting drunk commanders from flying lol ( even without mentioning cadets, instructors and others) - this is deliberate disregard.
                        When in cropped belay divisions - counted 720 belay AWOL overnight belay (I don't even understand - did at least the guards remain at their posts or did they also leave). I served in a cadre division in Kushka after the withdrawal from Afghanistan - there were 1600 mugs left in the division and it was so few that the majors carried batteries and serviced vehicles, and the division commander Gradov cheerfully reported that 50% of his personnel were on assignment (1 in the ranks - the regiment commander's driver, and 1 at the DUC, like a life-long orderly).
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Maybe that was the case, or maybe there really were shortcomings, which is what I am inclined to believe.
                        I tell you for the 10th time - read the Act with appendices. From top to bottom there is total lies and anarchy - this follows directly from the Act. It is impossible to explain it in any other way, for example, not knowing the exact number of the Red Army.
                        Every day the soldiers are counted by heads, the regiment commander transmits the numbers to the division, which in turn transmits them to the army, the army to the district, the district to Moscow. With an error of 1 day, the People's Commissariat has an exact figure for the previous day - based on it, they count the loot, food, underpants, commanders, cartridges, etc.
                        And here you go - "the number is unknown belay "Where did they put the food and money? Were there not enough of them or were they stolen?
                        And they could easily, for example
                        Quote: your1970
                        A rear colonel who distributed 2 echelons of food gifts to the front - "unidentified civilians"
                        - stole at least 400 tons feel food and tobacco.
                        Read also the materials of the "All-Union Conference of Workers of the People's Commissariat of Communications of the USSR with the Prosecutor's Office of the USSR", 1934. Extremely useful for understanding how they stole back then...


                        Quote: Zoer
                        total, I repeat - TOTAL theft,

                        Total theft is when I drive through a village and there EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE painted in Orange color - because there is a factory nearby that makes paint for KamAZ trucks lol
                        Now the top people steal, 05-1 million people maximum, but in the USSR they stole little by little but the entire population (You are not a guest at work - steal at least a nail).
                        Now they steal money - then they stole everything.
                        Therefore, the words "TOTAL" theft are applicable to the USSR and not applicable now - despite the fact that in monetary terms they are stealing now repeatedly more.
                      19. 0
                        15 May 2025 13: 22
                        Quote: your1970
                        I served in a cadre division in Kushka after the withdrawal from Afghanistan.

                        So this is already the collapse of the USSR. Disorder and vacillation. EVERYWHERE. What an example...
                        Quote: your1970
                        I tell you for the 10th time - read the Act with appendices. From top to bottom there is total lies and anarchy - this follows directly from the Act. It is impossible to explain it in any other way, for example, not knowing the exact number of the Red Army.

                        I'm saying it for the 100th time, it turned out here without any Acts that the military unit doesn't exist, and a million sets of ammunition and uniforms disappeared. The exact numbers are also funny now. Shayga told us that we have 500-700 thousand contract soldiers. And the SVO didn't even scrape together 200 thousand. So, they announced mobilization. And again, without any Acts. It's just that no one checked or counted. And how people are listed as dead staff, and commanders receive their salaries - I also know that. And that's exactly why now there will be a deal, and not a victory. And even a deal - at what price.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Now the top people steal, 05-1 million people maximum, but in the USSR they stole little by little but the entire population (You are not a guest at work - steal at least a nail).

                        Now the top robs a THIRD of the GDP from the country. Another 1/3 is the country's budget. THINK ABOUT these numbers. In the USSR, in the late ages, they stole from work little by little. Feed, paint, etc. But these are just crumbs. And now even among capitalists, workers also steal a little, and no one has gone broke. For some reason, you are still trying to compare the incomparable.
                        Quote: your1970
                        despite the fact that in monetary terms they are stealing many times more now.

                        This is exactly what we need to look at. Because this is the reason for our technological backwardness and weakness.
                      20. -1
                        15 May 2025 22: 55
                        Quote: Zoer
                        So this is already the collapse of the USSR. Disorder and vacillation. EVERYWHERE. What an example...

                        This is an example of what if
                        Quote: Zoer
                        When in the cadre division - they counted 720 AWOLs during the night (I don’t even understand - did the guards at least remain at their posts or did they also leave)
                        - then we had 10 people who went AWOL, it was very noticeable - and there 720 went AWOL - from a division of 1000 and some change. The division went almost completely after the women fool
                        Quote: Zoer
                        I’m saying this for the 100th time, here, without any Acts, it turned out that the military unit does not exist, and a million sets of ammunition and uniforms disappeared.

                        There is at least one document on this matter? A parliamentary inquiry, for example?

                        Quote: Zoer
                        But these are just crumbs
                        - For 30 years metalworkers have been collecting metal from the fields in my area - and it hasn't run out yet. This means that some Azovstal has been working its entire history for the trash, for the throw away. It wasn't stolen, it was just wasted ineptly. They abandoned the Dead Road - along with the locomotives and wagons, they abandoned the Tunnel, they abandoned the River Turn.
                        The same 1/3 of GDP was poured by tankers into ravines at the end of the block, dumped as saltpeter into rivers and ravines, and thrown as metal all over the country.
                      21. 0
                        16 May 2025 08: 49
                        Quote: your1970
                        Is there at least one document on this matter? A parliamentary inquiry, for example?

                        laughing fool
                        Yes, yes. They will test themselves there. Well, kindergarten - pants with suspenders.
                        Well, there is a criminal case against the guarantor in the history of Leningrad. What's the point?
                        Quote: your1970
                        For 30 years metalworkers have been collecting metal from the fields in my area - and it hasn't run out yet. This means that some Azovstal has been working its entire history for the trash, for the throw away.

                        What nonsense? If the recycling mechanism is not set up, it does not mean that the metal was thrown into the trash. You have thrown away the most important stage of the product's life cycle, namely, operation.
                        That's how you turn everything upside down, turn it upside down, and it turns out to be an excellent lie. Professional, right? The best lie is one that contains more than half the truth.
                        Quote: your1970
                        The same 1/3 of GDP was poured by tankers into ravines at the end of the block, dumped as saltpeter into rivers and ravines, and thrown as metal all over the country.

                        laughing Can you imagine what 1/3 of the USSR’s GDP is? fool
                      22. -1
                        16 May 2025 14: 06
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Can you imagine what 1/3 of the USSR’s GDP is?

                        Can you imagine what it's like when 26 organizations in a small regional center dump 2-3-5 tankers into one ravine - so that funds aren't cut? I spent my entire childhood going to that ravine to set off explosions - today's filmmakers would die of envy...
                        There are 2 villages in Ukraine - in the ravines of which 20 and 18 thousand are buried lol tons of saltpeter feel .
                        The people fulfilled the plan "to bring in the fields by November 07" belay If a Grad charge hits there, the Russian Federation will be accused of using tactical nuclear weapons against civilians. The villages will simply be blown away, approximately 12-13 tons in TNT equivalent.
                        In no country in the world have combines been produced with an official grain loss of up to 10 percent belay
                        I counted - only in my district center, based on 2 heads of pigs per yard, thefts were made 16 000 tons of grain. And some kept 10-15 heads....
                        Quote: Zoer
                        If the recycling mechanism is not set up, it does not mean that the metal was thrown into the trash. You have thrown away the most important stage of the product's life cycle, namely, operation.

                        Why isn't it organized? Scrap metal collection was organized, yeah - we need to fulfill the plan, they pulled it out of the backyard of the PMK "Kolkhida" (also by the way, the conversion of metal and labor into feces - just to keep the people of the Caucasus busy lol )stillborn and not having ridden for a single day, they tore her into pieces with a "Chuvash" and took her to "Chermet".
                        And in the fields lies abandoned, lost, shit-stained, falling apart on the go - it has been collected for 30 years, but it does not end belay

                        And this kind of crap was all over the USSR.
                      23. +1
                        16 May 2025 14: 52
                        Quote: your1970
                        Can you imagine what it’s like when 26 organizations in a small regional center dump 2-3-5 fuel trucks into one ravine so that funds aren’t cut?

                        Oh, no, I don't need to distort things. They were literally dumping gas tankers... Truck drivers and soldiers were more involved in this. But the luts were worth pennies back then. It's all bullshit. Now they don't spend as much money on asphalt and "improvement".

                        Quote: your1970
                        I counted - only in my district center, based on 2 heads of pigs per yard, 16 tons of grain were stolen. And some kept 000-10 heads...

                        Again, a couple of zeros were added and subtracted))) For two heads - 16 tons of grain. Is that for 5 years? My grandfather worked on a GAZ-53 at a state farm. He went to buy grain, officially!!! Nobody stole it there with trucks. And those who tried - were put in jail. A neighbor in the garage in the 80s was dragged by a railway rail on the beam of the garage opening. If he hadn't dug it out, he would have been put in jail. So no need for songs.
                        Quote: your1970
                        "Colchis" (also by the way, the translation of metal and labor into feces - just to keep the people of the Caucasus busy lol) stillborn and not driven for a single day

                        Well, here are some admixtures of pure truth! MASTER!!! Yes
                        Quote: your1970
                        And in the fields lies abandoned, lost, shit-stained, falling apart on the go - it has been collected for 30 years, but it does not end

                        In the fields? Abandoned equipment? belay I've never seen anything like this anywhere! In the north and in the taiga, as many as you like. But on collective farms and in the fields... Yeah. Or are you from Chernobyl?
                      24. -1
                        16 May 2025 21: 04
                        Quote: Zoer
                        They were literally draining gas tankers...

                        Just like fuel trucks - they filled up full and immediately dumped it into the ravines - so that funds Fuel and lubricants were completely used up during the quarter. Otherwise, funds will be cut in the next quarter.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Again, a couple of zeros were added and subtracted))) For two heads - 16 tons of grain. Is that for 5 years or something?

                        There are 86 streets in the district center, on average there are 40 to 60 houses on each street (there are also 100 houses). With the exception of the Kurds, Moldovans and Kazakhs - they all kept slingshot, and there is less crushed grain there, everyone else kept pigs. A ton of grain is needed per pig per year.
                        More questions?
                        There was no meat on sale in the 1970s or 1980s, so everyone kept livestock; those who didn’t kept livestock ate “macaroni.”

                        Quote: Zoer
                        My grandfather worked on a GAZ-53 at a state farm. He went there to buy grain, officially!!!
                        - 5 tons per person were issued to their own people in collective/state farms for money, everything else was stolen.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        A neighbor in the garage in the 80s was pulled over a railway rail on the beam of the garage opening.
                        because he could only steal the rails, there were no other legal options. And the grain - "bought from a relative on a collective farm". Do you see the difference?
                        We also had several people jailed for sweeping grain off the asphalt - it had already left the collective farms for the state according to invoices - that is, they stole from the state.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Well, here are some admixtures of pure truth! MASTER!!!

                        fool You deny a fact that is obvious to everyone:
                        "The Soviet truck Kolkhida is unreliable, but still legendary⁠⁠
                        4 years ago
                        72K
                        There is no beast more terrible than the lynx and cars from Kutaisi, professional drivers in the Soviet Union used to say. The Kolkhida cars are the most famous trucks produced by the Kutaisi Automobile Plant, known throughout the USSR for their unreliability.

                        But it all started out great – practically ZILs, and even with an innovative cabover, and a sleeper in Colchis, only for this sleeper the truck was forgiven a lot on long trips! But the Georgians' careless attitude to work turned promising trucks into a complete misunderstanding
                        It would be better if they were concerned about improving the production culture at their plant, but no, drivers still found notes in the cabin like “Tighten the nuts yourself, dear, I never had time!”
                        Classic Kolkhidas were produced until 1989, then their production was discontinued, to the delight of many drivers.
                        Rarely did anyone bother with this, this overhaul of new cars, so the Colchis was given to the worst drivers, alcoholics, truants and other parasites. These comrades finished off the trucks even more, as a result of which the Colchis settled on the bases in the form of real estate and donors of spare parts for the ZIL-130."
                        https://pikabu.ru/story/sovetskiy_gruzovik_kolkhida__nenadyozhnyiy_no_vsyo_zhe_legendarnyiy_8034615
                        Quote: Zoer
                        In the fields? Abandoned equipment?

                        The latest one is a seeder in a forest plantation, half-grown into the ground. Someone was in a hurry and left it there. And as for harrows, plows, cardans, combine everything - it's still lying around in the fields.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Or are you from Chernobyl?
                        - Saratov region, Zavolzhye
                      25. 0
                        19 May 2025 10: 49
                        Quote: your1970
                        Just like fuel trucks - they filled up full and immediately poured it into ravines - so that the fuel and lubricants funds would be completely used up in a quarter. Otherwise, the funds would be cut in the next quarter.

                        Liars! The drivers drained it straight from the tanks. That's why everything was OK according to the papers, and no one drained whole tankers. This is known in any car park. That is, the standards are always slightly higher than the actual consumption. Now in government departments everything is exactly the same.

                        Quote: your1970
                        A ton of grain is needed per pig per year.
                        More questions?

                        Where do 16 tons for two heads come from then? I still don't understand. A ton per year is 3 kg per day. It's nothing at all.
                        Quote: your1970
                        There was no meat on sale in the 1970s or 1980s, so everyone kept livestock; those who didn’t kept livestock ate “macaroni.”

                        No need to whistle again! Even in small towns there were markets, and there was plenty of meat there, even in the late 80s.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - 5 tons per person were issued to their own people in collective/state farms for money, everything else was stolen.

                        No, nothing was stolen there in tons, especially using motor vehicles. People were put in jail for that very quickly.
                        Quote: your1970
                        fool, you deny a fact that is obvious to everyone:

                        fool NOT AT ALL! I wrote - this is the truth! Which makes all your other lies seem plausible.
                        Quote: your1970
                        The latest one is a seeder in a forest plantation, half-grown into the ground. Someone was in a hurry and left it there. And as for harrows, plows, cardans, combine everything - it's still lying around in the fields.

                        Ah, well, these are the results of the collapse of the USSR and the liquidation of collective farms. So, your EBN liberals deserve a thank you. Yes
                      26. -1
                        19 May 2025 11: 27
                        You don't read your opponent at all!!!
                        You come up with your own ideas, you answer for yourself...
                        You didn’t read the act either, but you resisted.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        And from where 16 t + two heads then? I still don't understand.

                        Russian wrote in his language:
                        Quote: your1970
                        I thought - only on my own district center based 2 pigs per yard was being stolen 16 tons(!!!!!!) grain. And some kept 10-15 heads...



                        Quote: Zoer
                        No need to whistle again! Even in small towns there were markets, and there was plenty of meat there, even in the late 80s.
                        at a price of 5-7-10 rubles per kg. How much meat can you afford now at 1000 rubles per kg??!!!
                        That's why the meat processing plant stolen The people grabbed the fresh meat with joy and were deeply grateful.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Ah, well, these are the results of the collapse of the USSR and the liquidation of collective farms.

                        No. The results of the collapse of collective farms - they were cut back in the early 2000s. When the iron mass was cut up and taken away.
                        And scattered across the fields is 1950-1990.
                        For example, a seeder from 1961, the equipment on collective farms did not last more than 10 years. And it grew into the ground up to its ears - it was clearly standing for 50 years.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        No, nothing was stolen there in tons, especially using motor vehicles. People were put in jail for that very quickly.

                        Father-in-law sold a grain bin for 10 rubles and a liter lol lol - and he was honest and hard-working, so he took first place in the district for threshing for more than 1 years. The others stole more....

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Liars! The drivers drained it straight from the tanks. That's why the office had everything OK on paper, and no one drained whole tankers.
                        So you admit that gasoline/diesel fuel was dumped on the ground in large volumes?
                        Otherwise I would have thought that for 10 years I went to a parallel reality to throw a torch into a ravine...
                        Well, at least something, otherwise you get the feeling that you lived in the USSR, where only pink ponies lived.
                      27. 0
                        19 May 2025 13: 23
                        Quote: your1970
                        You didn’t read the act either, but you resisted.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Where did 16 tons for two heads come from then? I still don't understand.

                        In Russian he wrote:
                        Quote: your1970
                        I counted - only in my district center, based on 2 heads of pigs per yard, 16 tons (!!!!!!) of grain were stolen. And some kept 000-10 heads...

                        Entertaining math! I.e. your pigs each gobbled up 8 gulps. Well, so what, it's free! laughing
                        And you have such miracles in everything.
                        Quote: your1970
                        at a price of 5-7-10 rubles per kg. How much meat can you afford now at 1000 rubles per kg??!!!

                        Aaa, so it was!))) Are you like in that joke - crocodiles? Yeah, they fly, just very low!)))
                        Quote: your1970
                        So you admit that gasoline/diesel fuel was dumped on the ground in large volumes?

                        They leaked, I didn't deny it. And I wrote who did it and how. About the fuel tankers - you made it up. And the military leaked the most in the air units. Now they may not leak, but they sell it off.
                        I lived in a normal USSR. Where houses, schools, kindergartens and hospitals were built for people. Now I live in a country where religious houses are built for slackers in cassocks. And only a very small layer of the oligarchy profits from housing, while housing is not available to the majority of the population. As well as normal medicine and good education. This is the kind of modern country of pink ponies we have. negative
                      28. -2
                        19 May 2025 14: 31
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Entertaining math! I.e. your pigs each gobbled up 8 gulps. Well, so what, it's free!
                        And you have such miracles in everything.

                        And once again you have demonstrated INABILITY read opponent:
                        I highlighted in BOLD and put exclamation marks (!!!):
                        -16 (sixteen thousand!!!) tons..

                        Quote: Zoer
                        At the same time, housing is not affordable for the majority of the population.
                        but at the same time, half of the population is moaning about a large mortgage.
                        If it is not available to me, for example - I am not approved for a mortgage on a three-room apartment in Saratov because of a small salary - then it is not available. And if houses before SVO were sold out apartment by apartment on a mortgage in 3 months - then this means that a fairly decent part of the population has enough money for a mortgage and they are approved for it.

                        Quote: Zoer
                        Schools, kindergartens and hospitals were built for people.
                        And who are they building it for now? For the oligarchs? Well, they don't get treatment in the district clinics...


                        Quote: Zoer
                        good education

                        - a good education was apparently in the USSR - where people with higher education charged water and treated hemorrhoids by applying them to the TV....
                        And these are those born in 1950-1960 - the very dawn of education in the USSR.
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Now I live in a country where religious houses are built for idlers in cassocks.

                        In the USSR, they also built cult houses for similar slackers - district committees, city committees, regional committees... they turned out to be incapable of even protecting their own power - not to mention the people...

                        Quote: Zoer
                        This is our modern country of pink ponies.

                        You live in some sad backwater, very reminiscent of an old sofa in a landfill - I live in ORDINARY Russia.
                        And there is no fundamental difference for ordinary citizens - whether they put it in their pocket or threw it on the Dead Road - citizens would not have seen these funds then or now...
                      29. +1
                        19 May 2025 14: 56
                        Quote: your1970
                        And once again you have demonstrated your INABILITY to read your opponent:
                        I highlighted in BOLD and put exclamation marks (!!!):
                        -16 (sixteen thousand!!!) tons.

                        Oh, that's the whole district center! It's even funnier!!! And how did you count? According to the logic of the hare from the joke with the wolf and the matches? laughing
                        Quote: your1970
                        but at the same time, half of the population is moaning about a large mortgage.

                        Everything is correct! One half is completely inaccessible, the other half moans so much that they have no time for children at all.
                        Quote: your1970
                        - a good education was apparently in the USSR - where people with higher education charged water and treated hemorrhoids by applying them to the TV....
                        And these are those born in 1950-1960 - the very dawn of education in the USSR.

                        This is the effect of the collapse of freedom of speech and streams of shit. People of the 50s and 60s were sure that they wouldn't tell nonsense on TV. Read about Kuryokhin's experiment "Lenin's mushroom".
                        Quote: your1970
                        In the USSR, they also built cult houses for similar slackers - district committees, city committees, regional committees... they turned out to be incapable of even protecting their own power - not to mention the people...

                        That's how they destroyed the USSR, because they were not slackers, but traitors.
                        Quote: your1970
                        You live in some sad ass, very reminiscent of an old sofa in a landfill - I live in

                        Well, this is the kind of Russia the guarantor has built. Now he's running around, negotiating. Again...
                        Quote: your1970
                        And there is no fundamental difference for ordinary citizens - whether they put it in their pocket or threw it on the Dead Road - citizens would not have seen these funds then or now...

                        There is a huge fundamental difference. Is capital in the amount of 1/3 of the country's GDP taken abroad, or is this capital invested in science, education, industry and technology of this country. These are the two fundamental differences between the USSR and the Russian Federation.
                      30. -2
                        19 May 2025 15: 02
                        Quote: Zoer
                        Oh, that's the whole district center! It's even funnier!!! And how did you count? According to the logic of the hare from the joke with the wolf and the matches?

                        And on the 10th try at last got it.
                        Now apparently another 10 attempts are needed to make the technique for counting the livestock population clear??
                        And for you to finally read the Act of Acceptance of the People's Commissariat - another two hundred?
                        Dismiss ...
      2. +5
        12 May 2025 09: 11
        How come it wasn't passed? The investigation sorted out Popov's case very quickly and our most honest court in the world quickly made a decision. laughing
        1. +2
          12 May 2025 13: 31
          ...and the issue with Prigozhin was resolved very quickly!
          Since then, a lot has become clear to me!!! am
      3. -2
        12 May 2025 13: 29
        ....the Tuvan hunter's best friend is clearly slowing down, because it is against him that they will blab a lot during the court proceedings. And he does not want to lose him at all... wink
    4. +6
      12 May 2025 12: 25
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      The people who allowed it to happen and bred it must be judged.

      What kind of dog is this?! I won't allow you to sing such songs about the Tsar! You've let yourself go here without me!
    5. +6
      12 May 2025 15: 26
      And Shoigu appointed himself? And who moved Shoigu? And who sat with Shoigu at the exercises? At the parades? And? Didn't see? Didn't know? Didn't care? Naive. Everything comes from one person, only the heralds stubbornly blame the ministers who did not put themselves in this position.
    6. 0
      13 May 2025 08: 48
      It's only been a year since Shoigu was removed. So what? Where are the new arrests? There aren't any. There simply aren't any.
      Rearranging the beds again. However...
      1. 0
        13 May 2025 09: 22
        And Shoigu and Gerasimov were supposed to be the first to sit down.
    7. +1
      16 May 2025 11: 03
      And the combat reindeer herder himself is "not guilty of anything". How much money has been poured into "biathlons" and "aviadarts". And the recruitment of glamorous girls to flight schools? How much have they "fought"? But it is purely by chance that each "pilot" has a daddy in high epaulets. "The main temple of the Ministry of Defense" is an absolutely "necessary thing". At the same time, DOSAAF has long since turned into a fiction.
  2. +6
    12 May 2025 04: 46
    Russian troops have slowly but surely moved forward. This is the most important thing. Now, if the politicians don't "zaminski", then we will achieve the goals of the SVO.
    1. + 29
      12 May 2025 06: 51
      And hasn't the question ever occurred to you - how many lives is this "little by little" worth?
      1. -10
        12 May 2025 07: 04
        And hasn't the question ever occurred to you - how many lives is this "little by little" worth?

        Why are you asking me this question? I am not the Supreme Commander, nor the Ministry of Defense, nor the Chief of the General Staff.
        Or is it just "for conversation"? Or throwing a known substance at the fan?
        Not worth it!
        1. +5
          12 May 2025 12: 39
          Quote: Amateur
          Why are you asking me this question?

          Because that's what you're proposing. Or throwing a known substance at the fan? (c)
          Quote: Amateur
          Not worth it!
          I agree!
          Quote: Amateur
          I am not the Supreme Commander, not the Ministry of Defense, not the Chief of General Staff.

          But the Supreme Commander and the Chief of the General Staff understand that the cap does not fit Senka. And this "little by little" may ultimately cost not only the lives of soldiers and officers (which they frankly do not care about), but also their "hard-earned wealth", and maybe even their status and power.
          1. +1
            12 May 2025 12: 42
            Because you are the one suggesting it.

            Actually, I didn't suggest anything. NOTHING! I stated a fact. And I don't understand the inadequate reaction to my comment at all.
            1. +1
              12 May 2025 13: 48
              Quote: Amateur
              And I don’t understand at all the inadequate reaction to my comment.

              Why is it inadequate? It's a completely fair question. At this rate of progress, with the 1:1, or even 2:1, exchange in our favor, achieving all the initial goals, namely the overthrow of the Zelensky government and replacing it with a pro-Russian one, will take another 10 years, that's millions of losses only on our side, and only military. It's absolutely obvious that in this format and with such quality, continuing the SVO is fraught with serious consequences, if not fatal for us. I won't even mention 404, because I don't give a damn about it.
              1. -5
                12 May 2025 13: 51
                At this rate of progress,

                Did you like the fast pace of advancement under Shoigu better, when Kherson and the region or Kursk region were surrendered in a week? Now, albeit slowly, they are moving forward.
                1. +3
                  12 May 2025 14: 08
                  Quote: Amateur
                  Did you like the fast pace of advancement under Shoigu better, when Kherson and the region or Kursk region were surrendered in a week? Now, albeit slowly, they are moving forward.

                  No. I don’t understand at all how this plywood guy managed to stay in his chair until 2024, and why he’s not in a pretrial detention center yet.
                  And I also don't understand why the Kursk breakthrough of the Ukrainian Armed Forces happened already under Belousov, and the occupation lasted almost a year. I don't understand why we don't see similar operations carried out by the Russian Armed Forces?
                  Now it's a war of attrition. Who will run out of steam faster, us or the West. That's all.
              2. -2
                13 May 2025 09: 13
                But we don't have that many military. We only have villagers.
      2. +1
        12 May 2025 13: 32
        All the dead guys are on the conscience of the Tuvan hunter and his best friend!!!
  3. + 31
    12 May 2025 05: 02
    Apparently this is a humorous article from the morning? "The work of the official was built around the application of economic theories and practices." The work around these "economic theories and practices" is built by our officials, starting with "comrade" Pavlov, moving on to Gaidar-Chubais and a large number of "talented economists and financiers", then the "best minister of economy" Kudrin and his students Siluanov and Nabiullina. And Andrei Removich from the same "glorious clip". The theory of "Keynesianism", you understand, "the well-being of a considerable part of Russians is growing precisely due to defense spending"! And the author thought about how these same contract soldiers who "receive payments" are now having it in the trenches? And how much do volunteers send in total? From cars, communications equipment, gasoline generators, networks, drones, etc.? It's the fourth year, and volunteers are collecting and repairing cars of Soviet times. Ivanovna's stolen property is enough to form a couple of regiments. Yes, right now a scandal is flaring up about where the 400 billion rubles confiscated from corrupt officials went (KM.RU website). And finally, a "masterpiece": "events at the front very indirectly depend on the change of leadership of the military department." Understandable! Stalin simply did not know this when he removed Timoshenko, and after the defeat of our troops near Kharkov in the summer of 1942, he did not trust him with any more major operations. "All combat work is managed by the General Staff" headed by Gerasimov, who remained in place. How they "worked" has long been clear and understandable. And there were already those who wanted to "free" them from this work (Prigozhin and Utkin, it's a pity it didn't work out).
    1. + 21
      12 May 2025 05: 45
      yes, it turned out awkward with the confiscated money laughing I've heard about this before, in short, a guy found a treasure and someone broke it, had to hand it over to the state, and then they came, described it, put it in storage, and then during transportation they rushed back and forth, but the treasure was gone))) they lost it during transportation, no one even sat down, these guys are top notch
      1. +6
        12 May 2025 10: 07
        I found this cart by the way, I wasn't too lazy, 260 gold coins turned into a wrench)))
        https://www.tvc.ru/news/145760 это однозначно алхимия и чудеса
        1. -3
          12 May 2025 10: 56
          Quote from Mazunga
          I found this cart by the way, I wasn't too lazy, 260 gold coins turned into a wrench)))

          I was not lazy, I found the decision of the Leninsky Court of the Kursk Region on this case 2-4077/18-2019 46RS0030-01-2019-004905-55, m-3378/2019 (you can search by the last name Snegirev in civil first instance). Judging by the progress of the case, it was appealed in the regional and 1 cassation courts in 2020. The decision remained in force, the case did not go to the Supreme Court of the Russian Federation. The writ of execution was issued.
          I think that the money - 2,1 million - was paid.

          The fact that the cops initially did everything in the wrong place and they lay around for 6 years in the police department before the State Security Service allowed the thief to escape responsibility.
        2. +2
          12 May 2025 15: 32
          What surprised me in this story even more than the loss of the coins was the amount of money that our valiant state valued the treasure of 260 coins, something around 4,2 million rubles, and this with the price of one coin being at least 37 thousand rubles. And what surprised me even more was that the person who found them and handed them over was forced to seek payment of his legal reward in court.
          1. +2
            12 May 2025 15: 53
            yes, this citizen is a rare loser))) why did I remember that the deal was 7 years ago, but after reading it I am still surprised)) with such citizens, even a dunce is not a dunce and a pension from 70 is as easy as pie)))
      2. +6
        12 May 2025 12: 26
        This was during the investigation of the case of the "famous anti-corruption fighter" Colonel Zakharchenko, where the money "disappeared" along the way. But they found a way out quickly - they said that they simply counted a certain amount twice. No one really believed it, but there is an excuse.
    2. -12
      12 May 2025 05: 59
      Quote: fiberboard
      And there were already those who wanted to “free” them from this work (Prigozhin and Utkin, it’s a pity it didn’t work out).

      Billionaire - liberator? Interesting.....
      1. + 13
        12 May 2025 06: 11
        Well, as it turns out, Prigozhin was right, whether you like it or not.
        Another question is how it was done.
        1. -3
          12 May 2025 07: 35
          Quote: T.A.V.
          Well, as it turns out, Prigozhin was right, whether you like it or not.
          Another question is how it was done.

          Under the article on theft belay in the army belay praise the billionaire - who made money, among other things, from supplies belay to Army belay food belay - this is at least original.
        2. -2
          12 May 2025 11: 39
          T. A. V. No one is belittling the merits of Prigozhin and Utkin in the actions of the Wagner Group in Africa, Syria and in the Ukrainian PLA, however, Prigozhin was part of that corruption mechanism. It wasn't for his pretty eyes that tenders were given to him, but as soon as they moved away from the 11th yard contract, it all started and they started doing this, when the enemy offensive in Zaporozhye was in full swing, when it was necessary to restrain and fortify Artemovsk, excuse me...
          1. 0
            12 May 2025 14: 53
            Quote: Andrey VOV
            and then it all started and they started doing this, when the enemy offensive in Zaporozhye was in full swing, when it was necessary to hold and strengthen Artemovsk

            Remember when VVP appointed United Russia member Khinshtein as acting governor of Kursk region... There was neither Utkin nor Prigozhin there... Here is what Alexander Yevseevich himself writes:
            The level of corruption in the Kursk region has reached the highest official level, said the acting governor of the region, Alexander Khinshtein...
            ...He added that a list of more than 70 employees of government bodies and subordinate institutions who had previously been subject to criminal liability or were released from it on non-rehabilitating grounds had been prepared.

            So which party is it - the party of crooks and thieves?
            1. 0
              12 May 2025 15: 01
              And what does the party have to do with it? They stole, they steal and they will steal without any attention to whether he is a party member or not. A thief does not have a party affiliation. A thief is a thief even in Africa.
              1. 0
                12 May 2025 15: 08
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                What does the party have to do with it?

                Otherwise you don't know which party is in power now...
                1. +1
                  12 May 2025 15: 26
                  Honestly, I don't care, their name doesn't change their essence, whether they are communists, LDPR, or United Russia. It's just that these ones have more opportunities now, others will come, they will have more. Whether they are party members or not, if they steal, they are birds of a feather, again, it is people who steal, not parties.
        3. 0
          12 May 2025 13: 35
          Maybe he was "removed" because he knew too much about the Tuvan hunter and his best friend???????????
      2. + 10
        12 May 2025 08: 28
        Quote: your1970
        Billionaire - liberator? Interesting...

        This is a "strong, compelling" argument...
        stop Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg - Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation (March 16, 2020), net worth $5...
        Not a protector or a liberator at all...
        1. +4
          12 May 2025 10: 19
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: your1970
          Billionaire - liberator? Interesting...

          This is a "strong, compelling" argument...
          stop Arkady Romanovich Rotenberg - Hero of Labor of the Russian Federation (March 16, 2020), net worth $5...
          Not a protector or a liberator at all...

          One oligarch and the other - for those who don't understand - honest, conscientious, fair billionaires do not exist in nature.
          Being honest, conscientious and fair You can make a lot of friends and a lot of enemies, but you can't make any money at all.
          If you don't get it, believe in justice, be a statesman, and so on.
          In Ukraine, suckers believed that Zelensky - like in the movie "Servant of the People" - is honest, decent, for the people and will stop the war.
          But that's Ukraine - there are naive losers, here everything is different - "for justice"lol lol lol

          Quote: yuriy55
          Arkady Romanovych Rotenberg
          that is, if he personally was at the front and walked in attacks and scolded GS - would everything be fine? Do I understand you correctly?
          1. +1
            12 May 2025 10: 34
            Quote: your1970
            One oligarch, the other... For those who don't understand: honest, conscientious, fair billionaires do not exist in nature.

            And not every billionaire will gather an army and decide to personally take part in the implementation of the SVO. The majority warm their asses in London...
            As for Arkady Rotenberg,
          2. +2
            12 May 2025 10: 37
            Quote: your1970
            that is, if he personally was at the front and went on attacks and scolded the General Staff, everything would have been fine?

            It even became normal for him to acknowledge the palace in Gelendzhik as his property...
            I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Time is the best prosecutor.
            1. +3
              12 May 2025 11: 08
              Quote: yuriy55
              Quote: your1970
              that is, if he personally was at the front and went on attacks and scolded the General Staff, everything would have been fine?

              It even became normal for him to acknowledge the palace in Gelendzhik as his property...
              I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Time is the best prosecutor.

              I'm afraid you'll be shocked - over time... And not from Rotenberg - everything is clear there - a billionaire...
              For some reason The army never fenced itself off from its neighbors with mines anywhere else. And WITHOUT orders from above...
        2. +1
          12 May 2025 13: 37
          laughing Rotenberg is a "hero of labor"... he stole very "heroically!!!"
      3. -1
        12 May 2025 09: 13
        Oh, again and again that rare time when I agree with you. Yes
      4. +3
        12 May 2025 11: 51
        Quote: your1970
        Billionaire - liberator? Interesting.....

        Why not? Or is a slave-liberator historically and politically correct? After all, a slave wages a liberation struggle with the sole purpose of taking a place under the sun and becoming a slave owner. An axiom for all times, especially in today's Russia for Russian business.
      5. +2
        12 May 2025 12: 32
        Interesting, interesting. Apparently, there were "people" with whom it was necessary to share and give away part of their assets. Don't you remember what "zeal" General Yevkurov developed before the "march of justice"? They especially didn't hide that they demanded assets in Syria and Africa. But now Syria is covered with a copper basin.
    3. + 11
      12 May 2025 06: 45
      Quote: fiberboard
      Understandable! Stalin simply did not know this when he removed Timoshenko, and after the defeat of our troops near Kharkov in the summer of 1942, he did not trust him with any more major operations."

      I would like to add that Timoshenko was not even fifty at the time (born in 1895) Gerasimov will turn 70 in September... Even Stalin was not even seventy the year the war ended (born in 1878). What has our leadership and guidance turned into? Into a "Over 70" club?
      And don't insist here that life is just beginning at 70... In our country, not everyone manages to survive 70 years, and at 70 years old, some people have a heart attack, stroke, dementia and Parkinson's appear...
      Quote: fiberboard
      And there were already those who wanted to “free” them from this work (Prigozhin and Utkin, it’s a pity it didn’t work out).

      These were the people who showed by example how one can fight...
      1. + 14
        12 May 2025 06: 55
        Quote: yuriy55
        These were the people who showed by example how one can fight...

        Not only these. Popov was also dealt with, even more simply, without dropping planes. As they say, if the person is good, an article will be found.
      2. +4
        12 May 2025 09: 14
        And these people still laughed at the Soviet gerantocracy, yeah.
        1. 0
          12 May 2025 13: 42
          ...and nowadays many leaders rejuvenate themselves with the help of Botox.... Madames Matvienko and Tereshkova and...look for yourself who at 70 has virtually no wrinkles...
          But Botox doesn't work on the mind...
          1. +6
            12 May 2025 17: 08
            Quote: Lisa Kerner-Tymoshenko
            But Botox doesn't work on the mind...

            It works, indeed. It smooths out the wrinkles, if there were any. It really doesn't work on those who didn't have any.lol
    4. +4
      12 May 2025 07: 21
      Quote: fiberboard
      . Yes, yes, right now a scandal is flaring up about where the 400 billion rubles confiscated from corrupt officials went (KM.RU website).

      The scandal is with people who don't know that if a mansion is confiscated, it will stand until it is bought. There are few people who want to buy multi-million dollar mansions.
      I personally knew of mansions of the 2003 gang in the Moscow region that had not been sold by 1994 - they stood abandoned, no one needed them due to the high cost of assessment. As soon as the gas/electricity/water was turned off in them - you have to pay for them, but there is no money - they begin to deteriorate rapidly. 2-3 winters without heating - mold, fallen wallpaper, warped doors and other delights
      The Moscow region fought with Moscow over who would take over their balance sheet and tried in every way to get rid of this burden.
      There are such mansions around any city with a population of over a million - ownerless property with a mountain of problems
      The same situation with yachts.
      It's easier with cars due to their lower cost.
      1. +6
        12 May 2025 07: 29
        Quote: your1970
        2-3 winters without heating - mold, fallen wallpaper, warped doors and other delights

        There, even one year is enough to turn a house into a hovel, even if it’s the size of a castle.
      2. +4
        12 May 2025 12: 34
        And what is the "situation" with the palace in Gelendzhik?
        1. +1
          12 May 2025 13: 44
          The one about which Navalny made a "documentary" with the help of the Germans??? wink laughing laughing
          1. 0
            12 May 2025 15: 43
            Yep, that's the one. All that's left is to remember where and how this "director" ended his life's journey on our sinful earth.
        2. -2
          12 May 2025 15: 29
          Quote: fiberboard
          And what is the "situation" with the palace in Gelendzhik?

          And there everything is much more fun...
          Listen to Makarevich's song "Putin is going to Kholuevo" - and you will understand whose he is exactly NOT is - because it was not built in 15 belay years....
    5. 2al
      +6
      12 May 2025 09: 13
      The work around these "economic theories and practices" is built by our bureaucrats, starting with "comrade" Pavlov, moving on to Gaidar-Chubais and a large number of "talented economists-financiers", then the "best minister of economics" Kudrin and his students Siluanov and Nabiullina. And Andrei Removich from this same "glorious group".

      It should be noted that the appearance of Andrei Removich in the government is associated with the "Concept of long-term socio-economic development (KDR-2020) and the draft law "On trade". The concept is based on the modernization of primarily socio-economic mechanisms in the Russian Federation and provides indicators for the transition from the oil and gas needle. By the way, he was "From June 17, 2015 to September 29, 2017, he was also the Chairman of the Board of Directors of PJSC NK Rosneft"" it was just at this time that "ate sausages" for 5 years of work as a librarian in a colony (he was released on parole after serving half of his term) and for a 130 million fine, the Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation Ulyukaev, who is just an obvious product of Gaidar-Chubais-Kudrin.
      1. +2
        12 May 2025 15: 37
        So, how did we successfully "switch from the oil and gas needle"? And where, if I may ask, did we go?
        1. 2al
          +2
          12 May 2025 15: 49
          The sanctions have knocked us off this needle quite a bit, but even before the sanctions, oil and gas revenues were declining, although of course, sharp fluctuations in oil prices greatly affect the depth of the needle. For example, with a barrel costing $56, they are less than 25% (Total federal budget revenues in 2025 will amount to 38,5 trillion rubles, of which non-oil and gas revenues are expected to be at the level of 30,19 trillion rubles - 829 billion rubles more than the figure set out in the budget law). Usually, the surplus from oil and gas did not go into the Russian economy, but was "sterilized" into currency and "stored" abroad.
          1. +1
            12 May 2025 16: 01
            Well, yes, it was sterilized into currency and stored abroad. Only it wasn't just stored, it was returned to us in the form of Western loans to our companies. It's called Kudrinsky's economy, Glazyev has been harping on about it for a long time. Agriculture could have become the second needle, but it didn't. Everything is like in the Ministry of Defense, they appointed Patrushev, a graduate of the FSB Academy, as Minister of Agriculture (I wonder if he can tell rye from barley?). Well, now he's been transferred to "another area of ​​work", and the post of Minister of Agriculture has been taken by the same "specialist". I'm generally a supporter of having specialized specialists as ministers: a general (combined arms soldier, artilleryman, tanker) for the Minister of Defense, an agronomist, zootechnician, veterinarian, mechanic, agricultural economist for the Minister of Agriculture. A doctor for the Minister of Health, and a teacher for the Minister of Education.
    6. +9
      12 May 2025 10: 22
      Where did the 400 billion rubles confiscated from corrupt officials go?
      And where are they? Did they go to buy golden urinals for oligarchs? You could buy new equipment for the SVO for that kind of money.
      1. +2
        12 May 2025 15: 39
        Well, they are going to search! It just seems to me that all this "hassle" in searching is in vain.
  4. + 26
    12 May 2025 05: 17
    Our officials are usually written about as if they were dead, that is, either well or not at all. And I don't mean Belousov specifically, I still can't say anything about him personally, and I'm far from the work of the Ministry of Defense, and I can't shout: Shoigu, where are the bullets?! On the one hand, a year is a fairly short period of time to get into the complex structure of the Ministry of Defense, and on the other hand, the theses about how the welfare of the population is increasing thanks to the war and defense spending are not entirely clear. Forgive me, but I didn't really feel it anywhere, I felt the rise in prices, I felt the rise in interest rates on loans, but I somehow didn't feel the welfare. Well, about the supervision of unmanned systems in the government, where were these systems during the supervision?
    1. + 24
      12 May 2025 05: 31
      This is apparently about the owners of military and near military corporations whose well-being is growing thanks to the war. Residents of the Belgorod and Kursk regions should probably be very happy about this.
      "the work of the official was built around the application of economic theories and practices for the benefit of society", can anyone name at least some movements for the benefit of society?
    2. + 30
      12 May 2025 07: 25
      I felt the rise in interest rates on loans, but I didn't feel any prosperity
      Who has a leg? It's the leg of the one who needs a leg))
      Our officials are usually written about as if they were dead, that is, either well or not at all
      And everyone diligently forgets the continuation of the proverb (De mortuis aut bene, aut nihil nisi verum - "Of the dead, either speak well, or nothing but the truth"), because that would already be extremism))
      The child of a Russian official asks mom:
      - Mom, what is patriotism?
      - Son, this is when people work every day so that we can have villas abroad, expensive yachts, take worthy places on the Forbes list, and so on.
      “But mom, aren't people angry about this?”
      - Of course they are angry, this is called extremism!
  5. +6
    12 May 2025 05: 41
    cool guy, you've got everything set up as it should be, you should also transplant all that thieving swamp to him(
  6. 0
    12 May 2025 05: 58
    Somehow they didn't pay attention to the fact that he graduated not from a simple school, but from a math school. And that's a completely different level of official.
    1. + 12
      12 May 2025 07: 54
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Somehow they didn't pay attention to the fact that he graduated not from a simple school, but from a math school. And that's a completely different level of official.

      and VVP is a lawyer, so maybe to hell with all these mathematicians? laughing
      1. +2
        12 May 2025 13: 48
        VVP is a lawyer...a diligent student of a certain ardent anti-communist A. Sobchak!!!!
    2. + 10
      12 May 2025 08: 34
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      Somehow they didn't pay attention to the fact that he graduated not from a simple school, but from a math school. And that's a completely different level of official.

      That's true... And I didn't rewrite the dissertation...
      We also noticed how quickly the passions surrounding the former MO deputies died down...
      * * *
      There is only one thing I cannot understand: why did the criminal case against Ivan Ivanovich Popov, the former army commander, pass by this, at first glance (decent) man...
      1. 0
        12 May 2025 08: 48
        Quote: yuriy55
        at first glance (a decent) person,

        Decent people do not exist, not at all.
        What kind of decency of a person, I emphasize - any person, can we talk about if he is conceived in lawlessness, born in sins.
        And, for this reason, sinful ailments of the soul and body are characteristic of our fallen being.
  7. BAI
    +3
    12 May 2025 06: 10
    Yes, Belousov has to clean up what has been building up for decades
  8. + 15
    12 May 2025 06: 11
    Doctor of economic sciences, did not serve in the army. Another effective manager and even a fan of Keynesianism... Just the thing for a military commander!
    1. +3
      12 May 2025 12: 56
      Don't make me laugh. Only straight-A students graduated from military schools... From my memory: two C students (barely finished school) - from my class (32 people. One - got married right away, 2 - military school, 3 - went to the army - didn't get into anywhere, and the rest graduated from universities and those who returned after military service). The result - C students - with a normal pension at 45 years old. The rest... Some (over 70) are still working. That is - the criterion of the greatest abilities is military education? Well, don't make me laugh.
  9. + 22
    12 May 2025 06: 39
    The well-being of a considerable part of Russians is growing due to defense spending
    This is absolutely beyond cynicism.
  10. -14
    12 May 2025 06: 59
    I read the comments, I wonder if at least half of the commentators served in the army? Or led something or someone? A year is too little to draw absolute conclusions.
    1. + 12
      12 May 2025 07: 18
      I read your comment, I wonder, if a military man is going to command economists, is it necessary to graduate from an economics institute to understand how stupid this is?

      Regarding "a year is an insignificant amount of time" - you are probably a minister by position?
      Then explain why Mishustin reports every year? How should he do it?
      1. -4
        12 May 2025 08: 09
        Read to the end, I wrote that a year is not enough for global conclusions, especially when you inherit the KSK from Shoigu.
    2. + 12
      12 May 2025 07: 59
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      I read the comments, I wonder if at least half of the commentators served in the army? Or led something or someone? A year is too little to draw absolute conclusions.

      when I was a lieutenant, the demand was low for the first six months, when I was appointed to the captain's rank - a month maximum of "relaxation", and even that was conditional... I can imagine the situation, the regiment commander - about whom everyone was like - "oh well, so what if the regiment is screwing up before the New Year, he was only appointed in the summer, he hasn't settled in yet" laughing
      1. -12
        12 May 2025 08: 11
        The issue is not about concessions and there is no need to compare the scale of the regiment and the Ministry of Defense as a whole with such problems that were inherited from the former minister, something has been done, something is being done, and more still needs to be done.
        1. +5
          12 May 2025 08: 46
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          and there is no need to compare the scale of the regiment and the Ministry of Defense

          Indeed... Two or three dozen regimental apparatus deputies and heads of services against two and a half thousand employees...
          Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree increasing the maximum number of personnel in the central office of the Ministry of Defense by 2460 people.

          By the way, the regiment has up to 2 personnel.

          * * *
          But actually:
          “It’s difficult with three, but when you learn to organize three, the number no longer matters”...
          1. +5
            12 May 2025 10: 21
            Quote: yuriy55
            Indeed... Two or three dozen regimental apparatus deputies and heads of services against two and a half thousand employees...

            stop Sorry, gentlemen! I'll make a correction:
            Two or three dozen regimental personnel against 13 people.
            Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree increasing the maximum number of staff in the central office of the Ministry of Defense (for 2 460 people) up to 13 thousand 200 people. The corresponding document was published on the portal of legal acts.

            Thus, a whole division of employees works in the Ministry of Defense apparatus...
            hi
    3. +9
      12 May 2025 10: 07
      A year is too little time to draw absolute conclusions.


      A year is just an incredibly long time, you need to ask and look at the results every month, well, at least every quarter, to see the dynamics, especially during the SVO. In a year, Belousov, Shoigu, or Serdyukov will make you beautiful reports, spread the results as needed, and if anything, they will find reasons to explain absolutely everything.
  11. + 16
    12 May 2025 07: 53
    Until the Ministry of Defense is headed by a person who both understands the essence of its activities and is not connected by nepotism through study at academies and previous service with the currently living top generals, there will be no fundamental positive shifts in the development of the Armed Forces.
    Belousov, as it seems from his biography and from the results of his first year of leadership, was appointed to solve a purely private task - taking control of economic flows within the Ministry of Defense. And he will, presumably, cope with this task successfully. But, I emphasize - not establishing order and increasing efficiency as a priority task, but taking control, which can only indirectly lead to establishing order and increasing efficiency. And it may not.
    But this is such a small part of the problems that have matured in the department that even if they are successfully resolved, no positive changes in the construction and development of the Armed Forces can be expected.
    Belousov did not bring with him any team to the main leadership positions of the department, which means that he apparently does not have his own vision or his own program for the development of the Armed Forces.
    All those who brought the Armed Forces to the state of 2022, who planned and implemented the operations of the initial period of the Central Military District, the majority of those who are responsible for equipping the troops with new types of weapons and their timely supply during military operations remained in their places.
    So what miracles can we expect from a new leader who has left all the main “smiths of success” of his predecessor in their places?
    1. +2
      12 May 2025 08: 51
      Quote: Bogalex
      All those who brought the Armed Forces to the state of 2022 remained in their places

      There should be practically no personnel left in the RF Armed Forces who took the Oath in the USSR.
      And more questions to those who and how became unit commanders and what combat experience these commanders have... Although, I can say that the "blatnye" and "spineless" do not stay in combat units:
      "Here they are, sitting at headquarters..."
    2. +8
      12 May 2025 10: 00
      You think politically hi One might even think that you are critical of the appointment of all sorts of security guards to the positions of governors and commanders-in-chief of the troops.
  12. Ray
    + 22
    12 May 2025 07: 57
    The minister has been replaced. Too late, but better late, as they say...
    There's just one thing I don't understand. Stalin appointed the third (if you count from the start of the war) Chief of the General Staff by the 12th month of the war. The third in a year! In May 3, he replaced Shaposhnikov (under whom, by the way, ours stopped the Germans near Moscow at the end of 3), and Marshal Vasilevsky, who was only 42 years old on the day of his appointment, reached Berlin three years later.
    Is Gerasimov, who is almost 70 years old, as effective as Vasilevsky? That he has been the head of the General Staff for more than 3 years of the war?
    And secondly, why didn't the new minister sort out the case of General Popov? Or do we have so many such young and professional generals?
    1. +4
      12 May 2025 10: 45
      Quote from Ray
      So, is Gerasimov, who is already almost 70 years old, as effective as Vasilevsky?

      good Exactly!!!
      Quote from Ray
      And secondly, why didn’t the new minister deal with General Popov’s case?

      good Right!!!
      Quote from Ray
      Or do we have so many such young and professional generals?

      We have very few professionals in our top management. Especially those who feel offended for the country...
    2. +3
      12 May 2025 13: 58
      Yes, VVP is NOT Stalin. SVO is NOT war....
      Oh my... who's there in the General Staff... And what kind of First Person of the State would he be who wouldn't finally say that this is a WAR of the USA and GayRopa against RUSSIA!!!
      I will say again, I will shout, how Russia lacks a leader of the level of Joseph Vissarionovich STALIN!!!!
  13. -5
    12 May 2025 08: 31
    The problem is in the clans of thieving army generals. The mess we are talking about began specifically - in the late 90s. Then there was simply a logical development of the system that began in the early 90s - "steal whatever you can get". It got to the point that in the 90s, generals were engaged in selling military personnel for the construction of private cottages and to commercial firms. The military personnel did not see weapons. Then Serdyukov came. Before Serdyukov, where did the money go? It went to maintaining feeding troughs. The format of an "air force base" with an official regiment, in reality 2-4 barely flying machines due to cannibalization of idle aircraft, of which at best one was relatively combat-ready, and even that was not a fact. But together with auxiliary services and security, this took the funding of a division. The bases opened under Serdyukov were normally staffed and combat-ready. Under the previous ministers, there was no money for new equipment, or for wages, or even for energy, which is why military facilities were disconnected from electricity and heating. Makarov's brigades were planned as a permanent combat readiness unit, staffed by contract soldiers with a staffing level of 90% - always well-coordinated units, ready for battle in full force. The training of the future reserve of conscripts was to be carried out in training units and centers. But due to opposition from the army and financiers, the brigades were filled with conscripts and some units were cadreed. And what we got were old-style incomplete divisions with all their problems. Under Shoigu, the system simply developed to its apogee. Everyone who received tasty posts decided that the system was forever. That is, steal until the system is changed. And Shoigu did not destroy this whole topic. He is not the cause, but only the effect (without denying his direct guilt in some of the problems that have arisen). And don't blame Shoigu for all the problems of the current army. These problems have been accumulating for decades, Serdyukov and Shoigu tried to put together something resembling a normal structure out of all this crap.
    1. +6
      12 May 2025 08: 57
      Quote: Aristarkh Verkhozin
      Serdyukov and Shoigu tried to put together something resembling a normal structure out of all this crap.

      We saw the results of these "attempts" and "efforts" during the mobilization in 2022...
    2. +3
      12 May 2025 14: 03
      Serdyukov and Shoigu tried to put together something resembling a normal structure out of all this crap....and Timur and his thieves too????
      Are you out of your mind writing this???
      But the question is really this: during all these long years as president, was VVP blind or again simply “naive” about the army and about Washington’s intentions to harm Russia???
  14. +4
    12 May 2025 08: 58
    Oh, it's not a good sign, praises to Belousov... It's a sign that no matter what Minister of Defense they sing praises to at VO, they'll definitely shoot him. True, they haven't sung back to Shoigu yet, about how much he's done for the country's defense. It was the same with Serdyukov, they first poured water on him, then they started to launder him.
    1. +6
      12 May 2025 10: 50
      Quote: parusnik
      It was the same with Serdyukov: first they poured water on him, then they started washing him off.

      They weren't trying to wash Serdyukov clean, but they were afraid that Serdyukov's dirt would get on them...
      1. +1
        12 May 2025 10: 52
        About something else, about the authors, at first here on VO they praised them, then they scolded them, then they condemned them, and then they whitewashed how much Serdyukov had done.
        1. +1
          12 May 2025 10: 59
          Quote: parusnik
          About something else, about the authors,

          Of course, this is different...
          With authors it’s easier: here’s Serdyukov, the sweat of his deeds, here’s the benefit from them...
          Was he put in this position so that rich whores could command the officers?
          No way...Neither he nor Shoigu grasped the main essence of the change in combined arms combat tactics - the use of UAVs.
          1. 0
            12 May 2025 11: 02
            My comments are about something completely different, as you subtly noted, it’s different, yes, for me it’s different. laughing I believe in omens. smile hi
          2. +3
            12 May 2025 15: 29
            ..Neither he nor Shoigu grasped the main essence of the change in combined arms combat tactics - the use of UAVs.

            Again 25. Of course they didn't catch it, they couldn't.
            This is not their job, this is not their qualification, they did not graduate from the academies.
            The General Staff should be responsible for developing combined arms combat tactics from start to finish.
            For this purpose, he has been given a staff of analysts and a bunch of institutes, and in the end, the GRU has this, if they themselves do not guess, they should look at the enemy.
            And based on this understanding, the General Staff should go to the Ministry of Defense and say this and that and that.
            This is how it should be and usually was; deviations from this in the USSR led to considerable troubles.
            1. 0
              12 May 2025 16: 24
              Quote: bk316
              This is not their job, this is not their qualification, they did not graduate from the academies.

              Naturally. Only one bred women in the Ministry of Defense administration, reduced schools, castrated units (OL Leningrad Military District in particular), closed enterprises and liquidated free lands; the second devoted his free time to building a church, hunting, biathlons, ceremonial outings...
              But did they know that the General Staff was supposed to report to them about changes in tactics and the emergence of new types of weapons, in order to take countermeasures?
              Did they know anything about the divisional and brigade organization of troops or were they concerned about copying Western models and increasing the number of generals and managers?
              1. +3
                12 May 2025 17: 14
                But did they know that the General Staff was supposed to report to them about changes in tactics and the emergence of new types of weapons, in order to take countermeasures?

                Well, if you and I knew, then they knew too.
                And what?
                Did they know anything about the divisional and brigade organization of troops or were they concerned about copying Western models and increasing the number of generals and managers?

                And again the same thing. Are you kidding or are you weak-minded?
                THIS IS THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY OF THE G.S.

                If you really don't get it, let me explain.
                In peacetime, the Ministry of Defense is a kind of gasket between the military in the form of the General Staff and the Military-Industrial Complex, controlling, organizing, but also a salesman.
                And in wartime... Yes, that's right, in wartime the Ministry of Defense is abolished and replaced by HEADQUARTERS + Defense Committee.

                And so, to be completely clear, the Minister of Defense DOES NOT APPOINT the Chief of the General Staff, the President appoints him
                1. -1
                  12 May 2025 18: 34
                  Quote: bk316
                  And again the same thing. Are you kidding or are you weak-minded?
                  THIS IS THE SAME RESPONSIBILITY OF THE G.S.

                  If you are so smart, maybe you could tell us who exactly signs (approves) the staffing structure in the troops?
                  Now about the weakness of the mind:

                  At first he was the People's Commissar of Defense, then he was named the Minister of Defense. I hope I don't need to explain to you what the People's Commissar, the Minister of Defense of the USSR and then the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation were in charge of?
                  And so:

                  So figure out where and who is responsible for what and try to find out who should have what knowledge.
                  1. +2
                    13 May 2025 14: 57
                    So figure out where and who is responsible for what and try to find out who should have what knowledge.

                    I figured it out a long time ago, here you go, read it.
                    https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_149773/c62e7aec07be6ac087cdf16104ab56239dbdb00a/

                    Please note point 8.c)
                    forecasting the development of means of armed struggle, assessment of the nature of modern and forecasting of possible military conflicts, types and forms of military actions, methods of their conduct...

                    This is the answer to the question of who should have done this.

                    Neither he nor Shoigu grasped the main essence of the change in combined arms combat tactics - the use of UAVs.


                    Also pay attention to point 9.B.
                    preparation of proposals for draft strategic planning documents in the Russian Federation on issues related to tasks, structure, composition, the number and deployment of the Armed Forces, as well as other issues related to the organization of defense;

                    It's about
                    Did they know anything about the divisional and brigade organization of troops or were they concerned about copying Western models and increasing the number of generals and managers?


                    Now read who should be able to do what.
                    https://www.consultant.ru/document/cons_doc_LAW_134537/2ff7a8c72de3994f30496a0ccbb1ddafdaddf518/
                    As for the Minister of Defense himself, he is not a military man and is not obliged to be a military man in either the Russian Federation or the USSR. And he does not have a military education.

                    I am now telling you things that are OBVIOUS TO ALL INTERESTED PEOPLE. This is about the Russian Federation. I can tell the same about the USSR. But it is better to google it yourself.

                    Regarding the subordination of the Chief of the General Staff to the Minister of Defense, this subordination is nonsense because the Minister of Defense can neither appoint nor dismiss the Chief of the General Staff. In reality, this means that the General Staff is subordinate to the President.
  15. +9
    12 May 2025 08: 59
    The positive thing is that we are gradually accustoming the army and society to the fact that the political figure of a civilian minister of defense is normal, and the place of military professionals is, first of all, in the General Staff and military academies.
    1. +2
      12 May 2025 10: 55
      Quote: severok1979
      The positive thing is that we are gradually accustoming the army and society to the fact that the political figure of a civilian minister of defense is normal.

      Let the Ministry of Defense be a civilian. Only in the army affairs of military professionals the dirty hands of civilian nouveau riche should not be visible and the army should not adhere to the plans of people with big wallets - they shed blood on the battlefield, and not cognac in glasses on the table...
  16. + 13
    12 May 2025 09: 04
    How is it that wherever you look, there is always an "absolute technocrat who has dedicated his entire life to the socio-economic development of Russia with a special emphasis on the economic component," but there is no socio-economic development? Or rather, it is there, but in the opposite direction. What has changed in the Ministry of Defense since his arrival? The journal of journals was abolished, or maybe Puzik sat down? Caponiers were built at airfields? A branch of the armed forces was created for drones? No?
  17. -1
    12 May 2025 09: 07
    It is not easy to talk about the results of Belousov’s first year in the military department.
    Of course it's not easy, because they are really not noticeable, except for his catchphrase. It feels like there are simply no results.
  18. 2al
    + 10
    12 May 2025 10: 02
    Why is the article not concerned with the obvious conflict of interests in the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff regarding the unmanned systems troops? For example, the General Staff was extremely lazy in its implementation and in some places simply openly sabotaged (it simply created a brutal bureaucracy on this topic) of UAV implementation in the troops.
    For example, the General Staff Directorate (chief Shamarin) openly disrupted work on the implementation of communication repeaters on UAVs and tethered balloons in the company-battalion (battery)-brigade (division) link in favor of mythical, simply epic in terms of deployment time and extremely expensive "unified" megasystems. Now such a system has been created and implemented in some units by volunteers. The famous "Murz" has become in fact an analogue of an entire General Staff Directorate for BARS and volunteer units, and the "50" and "100" created by its efforts are installed instead of standard systems on all models of armored vehicles and motor vehicles in the SVO. It is noteworthy that Belousov, by the nature of his scientific work, is a specialist in automated systems.
  19. +4
    12 May 2025 10: 31
    Ha.
    It reminds me a bit of the joke "write letters"
    There was Serdyukov - they praised Serdyukov.
    Shoigu was there - everyone was choking with delight over Shoigu
    Belousov became - ah, what delight and expectations....

    I remember something similar happened with Prigozhin, Mr. Armageddon, Gerasimov, Stremousov, etc.
    At least Gerasimov remained in his place, although without the praise in the media...
  20. +3
    12 May 2025 11: 27
    No no.
    It is better to be a sighted doomsayer than a blind patriot.
  21. +3
    12 May 2025 11: 54
    After reading the title, the thought arose that the author of this could only be E. Fedorov. And I guessed right, without even reading the article.
  22. +1
    12 May 2025 13: 32
    People change, but the system remains the same. The system is set up in such a way that Belousov's role in it is to clean up the garbage, after the previous boss.
  23. 0
    12 May 2025 14: 54
    Indirect signs of Belousov's influence on personnel work in the General Staff were a more attentive attitude towards commanders...
    Personnel decides everything. A phrase from The Eternal Call.
    And it's not even that the current situation in Russia requires people like Belousov. At the head of any department and ministry there should be strong-willed and competent people, professionals in their field and concerned about Russia. This is the key to the success of our state.
    If the legislative and judicial systems were headed by such "alloy" leaders, it would be a simply titanic step to end corruption in Russia. IMHO
  24. +4
    12 May 2025 15: 55
    A. R. Belousov, the Russian Defense Minister, received personal grants from the United States Agency for International Development. Those receiving such grants in the 2020s are recognized as foreign agents and do not have the right to hold positions in public authorities.
  25. -2
    12 May 2025 16: 39
    Russian people love to rebel! They kneel in front of a manor house and stand there, the scoundrels! And they know they are rebelling, and they stand there anyway!
    M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin.
  26. -1
    12 May 2025 17: 31
    Quote from: FoBoss_VM
    disperse the shoygushatnik and burn it out with a hot iron

    Latest news:
    Sergei Shoigu's military service contract extended until 2030

    He doesn't abandon his own.
  27. 0
    12 May 2025 19: 19
    Maybe boldly. But Shoigu reminds me of Menshikov under Peter I. A thief and a bribe-taker - but terribly loyal to his own people. Surely tested many times and therefore simply irreplaceable.
    1. 0
      12 May 2025 20: 12
      As Peter himself said after Lefort's death: I have only one hand left - a thieving one, but a faithful one.
  28. +2
    12 May 2025 20: 10
    Maybe the "jacket" as Minister of Defense isn't so bad after all.
    War is too serious a thing to be entrusted to the military...
  29. 0
    12 May 2025 21: 01
    Long life and strength!!! Let him continue in the same spirit
  30. +1
    13 May 2025 23: 47
    Very interesting.
    Right now in Russia we are seeing the implementation of this model – the well-being of a considerable portion of Russians is growing precisely due to defense spending.
    Well, for example, I haven't noticed any increase in income for any of my relatives, friends, or acquaintances. Only an increase in problems.
    Prosperity is not growing, not growing at all.
    But all expenses are growing, and they are growing noticeably, very noticeably, they are just skyrocketing.
  31. 0
    14 May 2025 00: 02
    Eh, what about Belousov??
    Our ministers run ministries for which they do not have the relevant education!!!

    Anton Andreevich Alikhanov - Minister of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation
    Graduated from the All-Russian State Tax Academy of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, specializing in Finance and Credit and Jurisprudence.
    How can he be the Minister of Industry and Trade if he is not an industrialist or a trader at all???

    Andrey Removich Belousov - Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation
    In 1981 he graduated with honors from the Economics Department of the Lomonosov Moscow State University.
    He's just not a military man.

    Mikhail Vladimirovich Degtyarev - Minister of Sports of the Russian Federation
    In 1998, he graduated with honors from the Samara International Aerospace Lyceum. Then he entered the Samara State Aerospace University named after Academician S.P. Korolev, after graduation he was awarded the qualification of "engineer" in the specialty "Aircraft engines and power plants". In 2005, he graduated from the Faculty of Economics and Management at the same university, specializing in "Management".
    He's not an athlete at all!!!

    Alexander Alexandrovich Kozlov - Minister of Natural Resources and Environment of the Russian Federation
    In 2003, he graduated from the Moscow Academy of Entrepreneurship under the Government of the City of Moscow, specializing in Jurisprudence. He was awarded the qualification of Lawyer.
    He's just a lawyer!!!! He doesn't understand natural resource issues!!!

    Sergey Sergeevich Kravtsov - Minister of Education of the Russian Federation
    In 1996 he graduated from the Moscow State Open Pedagogical University, specializing in “teacher of mathematics and computer science”.
    Oh!!! Really!! The minister has a specialized education!!!!
    But!!!
    1994–1996 – mathematics teacher at school No. 176 in Moscow.
    Only two years of work in my specialty, and then just a civil servant!!!!


    And then I stopped watching
    Our heads of executive ministries do not have a specialized education!! And they do not have specialized experience!!!! They are all lawyers and economists!!!

    So what do you want?? For everything to be great for us?? Yes, an Indian hut right in your face!!!!
    There will be no order as long as we have such leaders.
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    21 May 2025 05: 59
    It is not clear from the article what he has improved in a year. Lots of letters, but where are the specifics? I can only add that they seem to have started building hangars for airplanes
  33. 0
    1 August 2025 15: 53
    The Minister of Defense - well, of course... But here are the questions... And the Chief of the General Staff was absolutely not aware of the communication problems? It turns out that he was totally lied to, and he had no mechanism to verify the veracity of the reports?
    That's just one problem.
    The Chief of the General Staff has many mistakes.
  34. 0
    26 August 2025 11: 47
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    Quote: novel xnumx
    Alexey, the kindest! hi
    Shoigu's deputy stole... And he? Didn't know? Didn't he turn a blind eye? Or was he in charge? Questions...

    We ask ourselves questions. To which we know the answers. The higher-ups are silent and from time to time they show the people the former Ministry of Defense... They look at the people's reaction... And wait for something. That is the main question. What are they waiting for?

    It is known - what. When questions will be asked when necessary. And not behind the scenes. Questions should be asked before and during elections. And if the top brass is sure that everything is OK, and the only difference is how many APPROVALS there will be - 80% or 90%, then they don't give a damn about your questions. And the most curious will also be given the ending "On discrediting..."