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Scout BMR "Varan"

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I saw on this site http://topwar.ru/3274-bronirovannaya-yekzotika.html interesting cars. I had a very similar work in my work portfolio, if I may, let me present it.


Fighting vehicle intelligence "Varan". Machine fictional. I wanted to imagine a military intelligence vehicle, taking into account today's realities.

So, the car should have a good, modern equipment (optics, weapons system, to adequately accept the battle or "snap" and electronics), reliable protection, mobility, maneuverability and functionality. The machine is available in two versions. The first - with an uninhabited turret, armed with anti-tank systems and large-caliber machine gun. 2-th option: the turret can climb up, giving the opportunity to conduct reconnaissance and shelling, without risking to be in sight and under bullets. In the first embodiment, an advanced propeller of the propeller system is also available in the arsenal. The commander manages a small "helicopter" and conducts reconnaissance of the area, the "helicopter" has optics that makes it possible to conduct monitoring online. The 2 variant can also be used by special forces during counter-terrorist operations, the variable height of the optics and armament gives high possibilities and safety in maneuvers of l / s.

BMR "Varan" 4X4
- crew of 2 pp .: commander shooter and mechanic driver
- the ability to transport a group of three scouts
- armament - large-caliber machine gun and guided missiles, front gun 7,62.
- Multilayer armor with add. screens
- there are emergency doors on the sides.

Thank you for your attention, I will be glad to hear your opinion.








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  1. Tartary
    Tartary April 6 2013 08: 58
    -1
    To begin with, it’s worth knowing whose country the author is a citizen of?
    And then we will begin to discuss, and tomorrow we will see how these modified miracle shoot at us from the side of the adversary ...
    1. Navuxonastupil
      Navuxonastupil April 6 2013 10: 25
      +1
      The author has been actively engaged in modeling for a couple of years, regularly adding to his work the bins of the sites of modelers Diorama and Dis. It is worth noting some progress in the technique of execution - the first published works were absolutely terrible. Recently, he avoided modeling real samples, as he was repeatedly criticized for to put it mildly, free handling of materiel of prototypes ... there are all sorts of hobbies! winked
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom April 6 2013 18: 04
        +2
        The machine seems to be normal, but narrow and high, it will easily turn over. We must do more. And the second: why is it better than the Tiger?
  2. svp67
    svp67 April 6 2013 09: 27
    +1
    So everything seems to be there, one is not clear where and what engine is installed on it?
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled April 6 2013 10: 29
      +1
      Quote: svp67
      where and what engine is installed on it?

      judging by the photos of the model, the engine is on the back left. only there is not enough space for the engine request
  3. marshes
    marshes April 6 2013 09: 28
    +5
    The silhouette is tall and not like that. The telescopic combat module is an interesting thing, somewhere I saw something like that. Croats have something like that, there are ATGMs on the cobra. And because of the shelter you can fire on infantry and armored vehicles.
    Another good solution would be to place a mini radar with optics and other gadgets on the bar smile and place anti-tank missiles in armor, in containers with the possibility of vertical launch. This is so a dream. smile
  4. PAC3
    PAC3 April 6 2013 10: 04
    +1
    For me, the Belarusian "Stalker" will be more interesting.
    1. garik404
      garik404 April 6 2013 21: 00
      +1

      If anyone is interested, look ...
  5. tankuz
    April 6 2013 10: 21
    +4
    Quote: Tartary
    To begin with, it’s worth knowing whose country the author is a citizen of?
    And then we will begin to discuss, and tomorrow we will see how these modified miracle shoot at us from the side of the adversary ...


    The author of this work is a gr of Uzbekistan. And he definitely won’t shoot at you). The engine is located on the rear left side. And which engine, well, these are the details ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2013 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: tankuz
      which engine, well these are the details ...



      This is a very IMPORTANT detail. The presented model has a very narrow body and very high wheel niches; there is no room for a strong engine and transmission in the left part, or you will have to refuse to exit from the rear. So, the hull needs to be made wider and yet, which is very important for the BRM - at a lower level. And still presented for discussion, the project is conceived as floating?
  6. Professor
    Professor April 6 2013 10: 24
    +9
    The idea is interesting. good
    That's what the bourgeoisie thought up










  7. tankuz
    April 6 2013 10: 40
    +3
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: tankuz
    which engine, well these are the details ...



    This is a very IMPORTANT detail. The presented model has a very narrow body and very high wheel niches; there is no room for a strong engine and transmission in the left part, or you will have to refuse to exit from the rear. So, the hull needs to be made wider and yet, which is very important for the BRM - at a lower level. And still presented for discussion, the project is conceived as floating?



    You are right, I just don’t understand engines. The body will have to expand and reduce the silhouette. Yes, you need to teach him to swim too.
  8. tankuz
    April 6 2013 10: 54
    +1
    Quote: Navuxonastupil
    The author has been actively engaged in modeling for a couple of years, regularly adding to his work the bins of the sites of modelers Diorama and Dis. It is worth noting some progress in the technique of execution - the first published works were absolutely terrible. Recently, he avoided modeling real samples, as he was repeatedly criticized for to put it mildly, free handling of materiel of prototypes ... there are all sorts of hobbies! winked

    ))) Apparently you well remember the first works) Thank you. The first works, yes, to put it mildly, not ice) but don’t be so critical, not really terrible) But I was estranged from modeling real prototypes not from what they criticized, it just attracted me to fantasy). After all, the latest models of real prototypes are not really terrible). Well, that's another topic. I came here to find out opinions about the concept, I was pleased that such a concept already exists, after I finished this work I looked in a simple space for the same concept and found a similar idea here, it was interesting to know the opinions of the local pros). Thanks for the feedback.
    1. carbofo
      carbofo April 7 2013 22: 01
      0
      Ideas regarding the deployment of reconnaissance assets, in principle, are already embodied in real technology abroad.
      As a model, normal as a prototype is not good.
      Judging by the size of the doors, for example, I would say that the shovel is fixed at least two meters high :) and how to climb?
  9. svp67
    svp67 April 6 2013 10: 55
    +3
    Quote: tankuz
    Yes, you need to teach him to swim too.




    Well, if you think about it so seriously, then as a suggestion, do not consider it insolence:
    1. On your car it would be interesting to apply an "electric transmission" by installing an electric motor on each wheel.
    2 Make the car six-wheeled
    3. Be sure to move the front wheel axle forward, this will protect the driver and commander in case of undermining by mines.
    4. Remove such a machine gun course setting, better think over the installation on the sides of the upper frontal part, and its configuration will obviously change for you "weapon modules", but so that they do not protrude beyond the dimensions and do not reduce visibility.
  10. tankuz
    April 6 2013 11: 03
    +4
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: tankuz
    Yes, you need to teach him to swim too.




    Well, if you think about it so seriously, then as a suggestion, do not consider it insolence:
    1. On your car it would be interesting to apply an "electric transmission" by installing an electric motor on each wheel.
    2 Make the car six-wheeled
    3. Be sure to move the front wheel axle forward, this will protect the driver and commander in case of undermining by mines.
    4. Remove such a machine gun course setting, better think over the installation on the sides of the upper frontal part, and its configuration will obviously change for you "weapon modules", but so that they do not protrude beyond the dimensions and do not reduce visibility.

    Thank you for your help, I will definitely consider your recommendations. Suggestions are very helpful. Tnx.)

    Will this car go?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2013 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: tankuz
      Will this car go?



      No, the body is solid, as I understand the door is one - behind, and even narrow, and the open installation of the machine gun is already "yesterday"
  11. mark1
    mark1 April 6 2013 11: 04
    +2
    If you bring the proportions "in order" - you get a variant of the BRDM-2, a wonderful car that has the right to further development.
  12. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 April 6 2013 11: 14
    0
    I think that with insignificant lateral slopes "Varan" will fall to one side.
  13. tankuz
    April 6 2013 11: 56
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: tankuz
    Will this car go?



    No, the body is solid, as I understand the door is one - behind, and even narrow, and the open installation of the machine gun is already "yesterday"



    What do you mean "solid body?" Remote controlled machine gun. The landing door at the back but also has hatches.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2013 13: 13
      +1
      Quote: tankuz
      What do you mean "solid body?" Remote controlled machine gun. The landing door at the back but also has hatches.



      It is not enough, it is not always possible to land through the upper hatches, and the rear door is very narrow, it would not hurt for the commander and driver of the sidewalls. And what is such a protective shield for remote installation?
    2. bazilio
      bazilio April 6 2013 15: 09
      +1
      Quote: tankuz
      Remote controlled machine gun.

      And why on a remotely controlled machine gun armored shields?
  14. tankuz
    April 6 2013 11: 58
    +2
    the nose can be changed if damaged.
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 6 2013 13: 14
      0
      And again, the driver’s seat is exactly above the front axle ... not suitable
  15. sergey261180
    sergey261180 April 6 2013 12: 24
    +1
    The reserve is too high. To raise or lower it, you need a lifting mechanism.
    Course machine gun to no one. The shelling sector is small.
    The shape of the side doors is too complicated, you can make more rectangular ones.
    The back is broken. Better to make a straight line. The door will be simpler and more airtight.
    The biaxial scheme is vulnerable to mines. There will also be a lot of pressure on the ground.
    Tire inflation I do not see.
    The engine (boxer) can be placed under the floor, make a double bottom. The center of gravity will decrease, additional protection against min.
    And so it’s not bad.
  16. tankuz
    April 6 2013 13: 18
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: tankuz
    What do you mean "solid body?" Remote controlled machine gun. The landing door at the back but also has hatches.



    It is not enough, it is not always possible to land through the upper hatches, and the rear door is very narrow, it would not hurt for the commander and driver of the sidewalls. And what is such a protective shield for remote installation?


    I agree with your comments. It’s all for me. Thank.
    1. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 6 2013 15: 36
      0
      Try to take a model of real objects - the engine, transmission, axles, weapons, etc. and draw a large-scale model based on them. Compare it, for example, with an armored personnel carrier or tank. Evaluate how a person will be placed, for example, with a height of 190 cm ... the placement of units inside the body, etc.

      The picture is good, interesting.
  17. bazilio
    bazilio April 6 2013 16: 54
    +2
    Solutions with a telescopic turret look interesting, but first of all you need to decide on the tasks and conditions of use of such a machine.
    Probably for intelligence, first of all, low visibility is needed. Low visibility is at least a small size and silhouette. Protection is necessarily bulletproof, it would be desirable to keep a 14.5mm KPVT hit. Protection against small-caliber automatic guns of 20-30 mm is desirable but depends on the application scenario. Currently, armed conflicts are local in nature, where, on the one hand, military formations (with various military equipment) are acting and on the other partisan formations (with a limited nomenclature of arsenal). An example is Afghanistan. The presence of 20-30 mm automatic guns in partisans is unlikely to be serious art. systems and tanks too. But be sure to deal with RPGs, recoilless and various mines. Therefore, the reconnaissance machine must have protection against RPGs and mines. In the case of land mines, the higher the clearance, the better. Another factor is the landscape of the theater.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev April 7 2013 09: 51
      0
      I put a plus for my enthusiasm, but I can not help but pay attention to some contradictions.
      How, for example, to combine
      Quote: bazilio
      Low visibility is at least a small size and silhouette.
      and the postulate -
      Quote: bazilio
      In the case of mines, the higher the clearance, the better.

      It is strange to hear that bulletproof armor, even if it "holds" a caliber of 14,5 (which is very, very good and requires significant weight, unless, of course, it is assumed that KPVT bullets, there are no other 14,5 bullets, will not be exhausted) ) also provided protection against RPGs lol At least with different grilles (dynamic protection is not put on bulletproof armor)
      No opinions are heard how the virtual armored car will overcome trenches. A device like a BRDM cannot be seen on it, there are only 2 axes.
      In general, such discussions will arouse interest, without which it is impossible to create anything real.
      1. bazilio
        bazilio April 8 2013 09: 37
        0
        I am sorry, wrote in haste. I also wanted to point out a number of such contradictions and bring to the fact that the appearance of a particular vehicle will be determined by combat missions and the conditions of a theater of operations.
        The same thing about protection, and therefore weight and dimensions. It all comes down to a balance between security, mobility and size
  18. bddrus
    bddrus April 6 2013 17: 49
    +2
    well done. I don’t understand the intricacies (and even the fatnesses), but when a person has a hobby for the soul - it's great.
  19. Cpa
    Cpa April 6 2013 18: 58
    0
    Mast telescope, good idea, good for KShM, R / relays and medium-sized radio stations. Quickly deploying and collapsing is important. Yes, and reconnaissance is very necessary for direct communication with headquarters, aviation and artillery.
  20. _KM_
    _KM_ April 7 2013 14: 06
    0
    But why on this mast a machine gun?
  21. cobalt
    cobalt April 7 2013 19: 34
    0
    An important point, the intelligence machine is simply obliged to swim, how is it with it?
  22. cobalt
    cobalt April 7 2013 19: 35
    0
    The important point is, the intelligence machine should float, how is it with it?
  23. Nova
    Nova April 7 2013 21: 07
    +1
    I am puzzled by the tall body. And the models themselves delight in detail.
  24. gallville
    gallville April 7 2013 23: 46
    +1
    According to the proposed samples, the cons:
    1. Narrow doors on the back and on the sides.
    2. Apparently doesn’t know how to swim, I don’t see the shield of the reflector (and this is additional reservation on land).
    3. The frontal machine gun (the one in the frontal armor) is, as it were, not very effective better than it
    in the turret as on MTLB.
    From the pros.
    1. Explicitly expressed mine reservation.
    2. Adequately selected weapons modestly, but with taste.
    3. The detail is amazing.
  25. sven27
    sven27 April 9 2013 14: 08
    +1
    I admire the author’s imagination and its embodiment in the model.