"A Demonstration of Global Influence": Western Press Comments on the Parade on Red Square

The Western press is actively commenting on the parade on Red Square, which is dedicated to the 80th anniversary of the USSR's Victory in the Great Patriotic War. In general, they were impressed by this grand spectacle.

Discussing its scale and significance for strengthening Russia’s position in the international arena, journalists from the US and Europe could not refrain from making negative statements about our country.

Thus, the British newspaper The Independent paid special attention to Russian drones- kamikaze "Lancet" and "Geran-2", taking part in a special operation in Ukraine and participating for the first time in the Victory Parade, which the publication calls "grandiose".

Putin demonstrates Drones, used in Ukraine during the Victory Day parade to impress Xi Jinping

- claims the publication.

The article also notes that the Russian leadership took unprecedented security measures due to concerns that the Ukrainian Armed Forces could launch a drone strike on Moscow during the parade.

Russia celebrates Victory Day on a grand scale than in previous years

- is stated in an article published in the Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sanomat.

And according to journalists from The New York Times, the arrival of foreign leaders in Moscow and a large-scale military parade on the day of the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany by the Red Army is a "demonstration of the global influence" of Russia. They also view this event as a harbinger of the imminent victory of the Russian Armed Forces over the Ukrainian army.

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[Serik Bur]

They also view this event as a harbinger of the imminent victory of the Russian Armed Forces over the Ukrainian army.

In fact, it should be considered as a victory over the NATO army, the Ukrainian army is already in the past.

[Neo-9947]

Quote: Serik Bur

as a victory over the NATO army

Victory is still as far away as Comrade Xi's home.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Victory is still as far away as Comrade Xi's home.

May I ask, how far is it to his house? In centimeters and millimeters, please.

[MaxKruh]

Si gets on the plane, 7 o'clock and is home.

[Il'nur]

How did Comrade Xi get home?

I'm not sure that in 10 hours we will win, if only Comrade Xi goes on foot, then perhaps we will win, but even that is unlikely, with the way we are fighting "we haven't started yet"...

[Vasia]

Quote: Ilnur

with the way we fight "we haven't started yet"...

Well, if we consider that a mess worse than World War II may start, then VVP was absolutely right when he said that we haven't started yet, but then the whole country will have to feel how it was in WWII, and not live in peacetime conditions for the overwhelming majority of the population. God grant that it doesn't go beyond the 2th, so that we can also gradually, while maintaining the peacetime regime (except for some border regions), put the squeeze on the Ukrops with all the support of the collective West. And if someone is really pressed by deadlines and doesn't like "the way we fight", then no one is stopping us - the recruitment is open, go ahead, show us how it should be done...

[Good Evil]

Quote: Vasia

Well, if you consider that a mess worse than World War II could start, then VVP was absolutely right when he said, that we haven't started yet, but then the whole country will have to feel how it was in WWII, and not to live in peacetime conditions the overwhelming majority of the population.

So our soldiers are dying in LBS, civilians - in the rear, and we live "in peacetime conditions"? That's why "we haven't started yet"? IMHO, it's high time to start! Otherwise, the Estonians will laugh.

[Vasia]

Quote: Good evil

So our soldiers are dying in the LBS, civilians are dying in the rear, and we are living “in peacetime conditions”?

And what do you disagree with? Do you get food on ration cards or do you work irregular hours? Not to mention other joys of wartime.

So "haven't started yet"? IMHO, it's high time to start! Otherwise, Estonians will laugh.

You are an Estonian, I suppose? At the end of my last comment I already answered you: "if someone is really pressed by deadlines and doesn't like "how we fight", then no one is stopping them - the recruitment is open, go ahead, show them how it should be done..." Otherwise, without people like you, they will figure out how to fight and how quickly.

[Good Evil]

Quote: Vasia

And what do you disagree with? Do you get food on ration cards or do you work irregular hours? Not to mention other joys of wartime.

Don't you think that for such a "peaceful life" the guys on the LBS and civilians in the frontline and more remote zones pay with their lives? When the economy is not mobilized, defense enterprises (for example, "Zvezda") go bankrupt, thieves in high epaulets fearlessly steal from the army what they can. You can't force the owner to take an unprofitable defense order, and for those that they do take them, they charge unthinkable prices... The principle "Everything for the front, everything for victory!" is not applied, "we are not at war"...

Quote: Vasia

You are an Estonian, I suppose? At the end of my last comment I already answered you: "if someone is really pressed by deadlines and doesn't like "how we fight", then no one is stopping them - the recruitment is open, go ahead, show them how it should be done..."

And here you are frankly distorting the facts, changing the subject! The recruitment to the General Staff has not yet been opened, and no one will let me "show how it should be" regarding the recruitment to the LBS. And they won't take me there - born in 1948. So let's do without demagogy!

[Vasia]

Quote: Good evil

So let's not engage in demagogy!

Nothing else is visible from you so far - demagogy and outdated manuals, all you haven't mentioned is grandma's pension. If you are unable to understand how the life of the state differs in peacetime from wartime, then further discussion is pointless.

[bk0010]

Quote: Good evil

So our soldiers are dying in the LBS, civilians are dying in the rear, and we are living “in peacetime conditions”?

What, did they declare war? Self-isolation worked out when, without any grounds (like declaring a quarantine), the fundamental constitutional rights of the people were trampled upon, and so it is now - people are dying, but there is no war.

[Rakitin]

Moreover, in 3 years, the SVO lost many times more than in all the overt and covert wars of the USSR and the Russian Federation from 1945 to 2022. This is on the Russian side. I won't even mention the Kakels - there it is already comparable to the losses of those called up from this territory during WWII.

[Il'nur]

And if someone is really pressed by deadlines and doesn't like "the way we fight", then no one is stopping you - the recruitment is open, go ahead, show us how it should be done...

The deadlines, the deadlines are not pressing, we can fight for another 5 years, until the end of the presidential term, then they will reset it, we can fight for a while longer, telling the people how the economy is growing, how the people's well-being is increasing... And then, we can't fight in white gloves, telling them about the "brotherly" people who are trying to destroy us, they haven't even destroyed the bridges across the Dnieper...
Thanks for the offer, we'll have to go and show it, but I'm afraid they won't take us, age restrictions...

[Good Evil]

Quote: Neo-9947

Quote: Serik Bur

as a victory over the NATO army

Victory is still as far away as Comrade Xi's home.

Moreover, on foot in the pose of the famous arthropod.

[AAK]

"...Putin shows off drones used in Ukraine during Victory Day parade to impress Xi Jinping...(c)"...
What "impression"?! The country headed by "Comrade Xi" has been selling ready-made drones and spare parts to the Banderites all these years of the SVO in quantities that are many times greater than similar sales in the Russian Federation, and if we take into account the economic interests that China has tried to implement in this country... and I will simply remain silent about the imminent and final victory over the Banderites - "...the moderators are close... (c)"

[AlexSam]

How many people are fighting NATO. It will be interesting to read their experiences when NATO starts fighting Russia.

[spektr9]

How many people are fighting NATO. It will be interesting to read their experiences when NATO starts fighting Russia.

I'm afraid there won't be time for the Internet there...

[Alexey Lantukh]

should be seen as a victory over the NATO army, the Ukrainian army is already in the past.

Victory or reconciliation, even along the line of combat contact, is in any case a win for Russia. The only question is: how many more victims must be brought to the altar of victory-reconciliation.

[valentine]

This will not be reconciliation under any circumstances. Browse through the chlorine resources, look at the Ermak Ukrops. There is a diagnosis there that cannot be cured even by a hike through the desert. Only by carrying it out feet first.

[Chromis]

I will support you completely and entirely.
As the ancient Egyptians used to say, "a pyramid will fix a hunchback."

[Alexey Lantukh]

We all know how to chat about victory over ... from both sides. But as soon as it's time to go to LBS, 90% of us run into the bushes and look for any excuse to leave. Yes, and tactical nuclear weapons can be used a couple of times against military targets.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alexey Lantukh

Victory or reconciliation, even along the line of military contact, is in any case a win for Russia

Are you serious???

[Alexey Lantukh]

Well, two days ago relatives from Sevastopol came to us in Belgorod via Mariupol. Does this look like a victory, even if it remains in its current form? The only thorn is the Kakhovka hydroelectric power station, since without control over it the North Crimean Canal does not work.

[faridg7]

Reconciliation on the LBS? The operation was launched so that there would be no NATO troops on the territory adjacent to the Russian border. Now, as soon as the cessation of hostilities is declared, NATO troops will be at the Dnieper. Do you call this a gain for Russia?

[Alexey Lantukh]

NATO troops will be at the Dnieper

NATO is unlikely to accept such a dangerous partner as Ukraine regardless of the LBS position. However, this does not exclude cooperation between Ukraine and NATO countries in the military sphere, which is possibly even worse.

[faridg7]

Did I say something about accepting NATO? They are standing at the starting line and waiting for a ceasefire to be declared in order to bring in "peacekeeping troops". In essence, immediately after the ceasefire, there will be occupation.

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

The English love to throw shit at everyone and everything. These are islander complexes. It can't be cured.

[borisvt]

..according to journalists from The New York Times, the arrival of foreign leaders in Moscow and a large-scale military parade on the day of the celebration of the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany by the Red Army is a “demonstration of the global influence” of Russia

Well, they are right about something.

[Cap.nemo58rus]

Why in something? No need to doubt. They still take us into account. Well, at least they look around. I would say more, but I already have 2 warnings. I'm afraid they'll ban me...

[Uncle lee]

Quote from borisvt

The arrival of foreign leaders in Moscow and a large-scale military parade on the day of the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany by the Red Army is a "demonstration of Russia's global influence"

The Parade itself is worthy of respect! But why did they drape the Mausoleum again?

[faiver]

Nobody writes to the colonel...

[balabol]

Maybe it's right. It's too early to greet the parade from the Mausoleum. Such a right must be earned.

[Rakitin]

Without the "stuffing" from the Mausoleum, the current problem with the 404th would most likely not have existed at all...

[Uncle lee]

Quote: balabol

It's too early to greet the parade from the Mausoleum

They were sitting in a "bad" place - our victorious soldiers threw the standards and flags of Nazi Germany there!

[balabol]

Philosophically, the following can be noted. There is an expression "symbols and meanings rule the world." The symbol is the leadership on the Mausoleum meeting the parade. The meaning, the subtext is the people of the empire greeting the leaders, expressing unconditional support. Until there is an empire (true sovereignty is earned only now), the consensus of the majority with the ruling elite has not yet been reached, there is no ideological idea accepted by the active majority. It is not time yet.

[valentine]

rather, it is the worldwide support of our fight against fascism. The peoples see it. It was not by chance that the Arabs said in 2022: "your victory will be our victory, your defeat will be our defeat."

[Dilettante grandfather]

My humble opinion...
We do not strive for world domination. Otherwise, we would have long ago rushed for it and achieved it. But we don't give a damn about it... Sorry, we don't need it. My fault, but there's no other way to put it.
The West is striving. For world domination. Are there opponents? I am ready to engage in polemics. But, in my opinion, we are NOT, and the West is YES... Axiom. Think before you enter into a discussion!
And one more thing. For dessert. We don't need the West that has rotted for a long time. Really, think about it. Baikal, or La Manche? Well, stupidly - on vacation. On holiday. Let everything be good with the Turkish restaurateurs, I have no problems with them! As well as with the Cypriots. Sincere people, huh?..
If we want to relax, we'll go. To Egypt, to Turkey... I'll go to Baikal. Honestly. I've been going there since childhood. How is Türkiye any better?! There aren't even any seals in Turkey!
Some people will probably consider my post as advertising. Wait. I am not advertising anything except my country! For the citizens of my own country!
I simply claim that Baikal is better than the Red Sea. And faggots (a literary word used in books (!) as far back as the 40s and 50s of the 20th century! Remarque, "3 Comrades", 1950s...
No, it needs to be more precise, I'll print it. Publishing house, etc., etc. But I'm lazy.)
Dear editors. Happy holiday, first of all. Long life to you and to the site.
Please bring the rules into line with reality. And one more request. If you noticed all this at all, I ask. I do not demand, I do not complain, I just ask. I do not swear, I do not hit monitors with a hammer... I am joking, of course. But I ask you to revise the site rules. Sometimes it is not a sin to write "faggot", but here it is wrong...

[IVZ]

Beautifully presented, with soul and to the point. And Remarque, especially "3 Comrades", "Triumphal Arch", "Black Obelisk" - Literature, Works, but few of the modern youth, well, up to 45 somewhere, master these Things at least up to 1/3 of the content, well, almost like your humble servant "War and Peace" in school, in his time. And this, as it seems to me, is not good for us.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Remarque, Tolstoy and other writers tried to write books that would dissuade people from war. And Arc de Triomphe, and War and Peace are actually anti-war books. You can list them for a long time, endlessly. And Tanks are Driving in a Diamond Formation, and The Cranes Are Flying, and even The Three Musketeers. Even them, yes! What was it, in Dumas? I don’t remember. The only episode, the siege of La Rochelle. Isn’t it scary if you read it? Bravo, musketeers, huh? We had a bite to eat and headed back. The trick is that they didn’t really shoot at the bastion occupied by the musketeers. Just in passing...
I'll say this about Remarque. I read Three Comrades in my distant childhood. Maybe adolescence, I don't know. When I was 10-12. I read Arc de Triomphe much later. As well as All Quiet on the Western Front. Well, let's say that in our time we loved to read... Now we prefer to look at screens. Idiocy is spreading across the planet. The West rules, in the sense that it has given people the opportunity to switch off their brains, with the help of smartphones, clips. The shorter - the easier, simpler, yeah?..
For us, and for everyone who thinks even a little bit, it's death. It's not bad, it's deadly. Without any allowances or discounts. As soon as people stop reading, they'll become a herd. Which can easily be led anywhere with the help of clips on the Internet...

[Good Evil]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

I read Three Comrades in my distant childhood. Maybe adolescence, I don't know. Around 10-12 years old. I read Arc de Triomphe much later. As well as All Quiet on the Western Front.

IMHO, it was worth starting with "All Quiet on the Western Front." A truly anti-war novel!

[Plate]

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

We don't need the West, which has long since rotted away.

Needed, needed.

Quote: Grandfather is an amateur

Really, think about it. Baikal or La Manche?

Windows or independent (yeah, yes, of course, very independent, but let's pretend so) Linus? Intel with AMD or Elbrus with Baikal? Another Baikal... Not the one you wrote about.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Needed, needed.

Please provide more details.

[Plate]

We don't have our own developed operating system or our own computing technology. And we need them.

[Dilettante grandfather]

We don't have our own developed operating system or our own computing technology. And we need them.

You'll excuse me, of course, but I asked for details. We don't even have an underground tank... Put your statements on the shelves, and then we'll talk.

[Plate]

Is there a Russian equivalent in performance and cost to my home i5-10400?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Excuse me, I'm not used to answering questions after questions. If you don't want to answer mine, just say so right away.

[Plate]

What do you mean by "details"? Do you need to tell about processors, video cards, memory chips? I didn't understand what you want, and decided to detail the question as much as I can, as I see it. Name a specific model.

[Dutchman Michel]

It was necessary to march the defeated NATO equipment across Red Square and dump it near the enemy embassies

[valentine]

It will be too much for the Euro-freaks. They are not worth such attention with their shitty technology.

[Dilettante grandfather]

With all due respect, NATO equipment should simply be scrapped. And until the SVO is over, all these Abrams and Leopards should simply be kept locked up. In a zoo.

[Plate]

Quote: Dutchman Michel

drop it at enemy embassies

So you are proposing to block Moscow streets with some kind of junk?

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: Plate

So you are proposing to block Moscow streets with some kind of junk?

Not streets at all. But entrances to embassies

[Cap.nemo58rus]

Our parade is good. There are many questions, of course. Well, so be it. But I didn't understand the ribbon of the Uzbek president. At the meeting. Everyone was in orange and black, and he was in the colors of his flag. This is a fluke. What is he doing here?

[Practitioner23354df]

Quote: Cap.Nemo58rus

What is he doing here?

The Uzbek people are integrating into Russia.

[Cap.nemo58rus]

I was born in Uzbekistan. Uzbeks are kind people, but only in their homeland. Here we have something different. Kambag'al odamlar. Latin, however. Where have they gone?

[valentine]

The Sraziaty continue to bend their fingers. They do not understand what awaits them with their multi-chair history.

[Dilettante grandfather]

Everyone is orange and black, but he is in the colors of his flag. This is a fly-by-night. What is he doing here?

He's not the only one. But. He was invited, he came. What's wrong?! What the hell kind of a deal is this if the president of a sovereign state didn't bend... No, I wrote it wrong. Didn't do something according to the protocol of another state?
What's strange about that?!
He didn't come to us in a sweaty green T-shirt, did he?!

[Cap.nemo58rus]

Didn't what? Bend over? I beg you....An independent state. Don't make me laugh.

[Cap.nemo58rus]

Sovereign A-a-a I'm laughing out loud Let it exist as a sovereign state for at least a couple of weeks.

[Cap.nemo58rus]

But comrade Xi was wearing a St. George ribbon. And not in a sweaty T-shirt. But he is definitely not an order for the head of Uzbekistan. This one will show everyone himself. Self-esteem through the roof...

[sagitovich]

Think as you like!
The whole world has been given a message, We are ready for battle!
Until our victory!

[Engineer]

Well yes, a good parade... finally saw the Laotian army that so much has been written about in recent years)

[Glenn]

We are not dismantling anything! This is our great holiday. In Stalingrad, there are just crowds of people. At the parade, on the embankment. Buses with tourists. Everyone is smiling, you can see that they are inspired. Very small children in uniform, in caps, with flags. I won't even mention Mamayev Kurgan. Well, the unity is awesome, it brings tears to my eyes, how wonderful. And they went far and for a long time. We did it and we will do it again.

[valentine]

Someone came up with a good idea with kids in military uniform. Kindergarten on the march.))

[Glenn]

Let's demonstrate*I made a mistake there

[hump]

Of course, drones, except for some simple lancets.

[Alexandra]

Can you name a simple analogue of the Orlan-30, a 30-kilogram UAV with a 6000 m practical flight flow, 10-18 hour flight duration and a GOES with a laser rangefinder-target designator for target illumination in the interests of fire strikes with guided and corrected artillery shells "Krasnopol", "Santimetr", "Kitolov", mortar mines "Smelchak", "Gran" and UAB with laser guidance?

[AMG]

I would like to know your opinion about the absence of "Armata" and "Koalitsiya" at the parade. Is this a cessation of work on these topics or...?

[Alexandra]

In my humble opinion, the "Armata" needs to be redesigned, taking into account the experience of the SVO. As for the "Coalition". Most likely, the experienced SPGs are used in the SVO zone and sending them to the rear to participate in a parade would take valuable long-range combat units away from real combat work for a long time.

P.S. Air defense systems were also very poorly represented at the parade. Probably for the same reason that the Koalitsiya self-propelled guns were absent from the parade. But there were a lot of tanks. Without mass anti-drone APS on armored vehicles, today's war is "not a tank war".

[AMG]

I will continue asking questions, if you do not mind. Why is the finalization of the "Koalitsiya" taking so long? Is the shot difficult? In what direction should the "Armata" be redesigned? Keep the base, leave the unmanned turret? How to combine protection from ATGM and UAVs? What is your attitude to American projects?

[Alexandra]

Quote from AMG

Why is it taking so long to fine-tune the "Coalition"? Is it difficult to fire?

There is a new shot with modular propellant charges. I think the problem is not in the fine-tuning, but in the fact that during a war, maximum mass production is required. Mastering the mass production of a new SPG and the range of ammunition for it will reduce the overall current output of SPGs and 152 mm artillery ammunition.

In what direction should the "Armata" be redesigned? Keep the base, leave the unmanned turret?

Most likely a complete redesign. During the SVO it was hard not to notice the high irrecoverable losses of tanks to mines. I believe that the "Armata" has the same anti-mine resistance as the T-64/72/90 family (where the space behind the armor is separated from the high-explosive effect of an anti-tank mine explosion, or even a "mine barrier" by only 20 mm armor plate of the lower part of the side and bottom of the hull), then a little better. I don't think that add-on armor plates, etc. can radically improve anything here. This means that a new armor hull is needed, much more resistant to mine and landmine explosions.

The SVO showed that the loss of mobility leads to the loss of the tank. It is difficult for me to say what can be done here regarding the propulsion system, but the redundancy of engines in the MTO suggests itself. For example, the Strv 60 tank with a twin-engine diesel-gas turbine power plant has been known since the 103s. What is better, a complex, still not mastered in mass production X-shaped 1550-kilogram diesel 12N360, the development history of which began in the 1970s, or a mass V-shaped 1020-kilogram tank diesel V-92S2F + compact gas turbine engine with a capacity of (100-220 hp) ... From the point of view of the survivability of the propulsion system, especially if such survivability is ensured by effective design measures, a combined propulsion system including both a diesel engine and a compact gas turbine engine is better.

The Armata clearly does not provide anti-fragmentation protection for the turret equipment from heavy 152-155 mm HE shell fragments, therefore the unmanned turret needs to be redesigned.

How to combine protection against ATGM and UAVs?

The combat use of the Merkava Mk.4M tank with the Trophy APS in Gaza demonstrated that the APS must provide protection against drones, including those attacking from above. The Israeli Defense Ministry stated that they are working on the problem:

"The Trophy and Iron Fist systems are subject to an upgrade program that will give them the ability to detect, identify, and destroy small FPV drones."

It is clear that in Trophy with a rotating reloadable launcher of defensive ammunition and in Iron Fist with a lifting and rotating launcher the task of actually destroying the drone will be solved somewhat differently.

In my opinion, we should move to at least two-line APS that fully utilize the energy potential of the radars already used in the APS - first, the threat is fired upon by a machine gun, and when the threat breaks through directly to the armored vehicle, the threat is attacked by the APS counter-munition. And it is clear that the lifting and rotating launchers for counter-munitions that provide protection against relatively low-speed but numerous threats should be reloadable, with capacious counter-munition magazines.

What do you think about American projects?

I don't think they'll have next-generation AFVs ready for serial production anytime soon. Things haven't been done that way in the US for a long time. Not a single fundamentally new American model of a "first-line" combat armored vehicle has made it into large-scale production over the past 35 years. The M10 Booker, which was cancelled on May 2, 2025 after delivering about 80 tanks under the LRIP contract, can't be considered one. The relatively large Stryker family of AFVs can't be called fundamentally new. It stems from the LAV III, which in turn was developed on the basis of the LAV II from the 80s.

[AMG]

Thank you for your broad and convincing answer1

[AMG]

Your comments on missile and aviation topics are pleasantly surprising. The volumes are enough for 5-6 publications, in my opinion. Why don't you write, an immodest question? I have a question about tanks. "103" is certainly an interesting design from an engineering point of view, but it turned out to be unclaimed and did not find a continuation. Although, in my opinion, I found two elements to imitate - self-entrenching equipment and a ribbed upper frontal plate. The first is used in the Soviet armored vehicles, and the second specifically in the BMP-1,2, 103. Two engines in the "XNUMX" are good, although a bit complicated, but still does not save in case of loss of a track. Then what is anti-mine protection in the broad sense? Only a trawl can save a track, but it is not installed on all vehicles. In this regard, my friend remembered the two-link scheme. After all, the complex protection of a tank has a weight limit and in the future it can be transformed into a small maneuverable, at most a robotic vehicle, for infantry fire support. I would like to know your opinion. With respect.

[Alexandra]

Quote from AMG

Your comments on the rocket and aviation theme are pleasantly surprising. The volumes are enough for 5-6 publications, in my opinion. Why don't you write, an immodest question?

The comment is spontaneous, according to my mood. The article requires thoughtfulness, i.e. time. That's probably why I don't write.

I have a question about tanks. "103" is certainly an interesting design from an engineering point of view, but it turned out to be unclaimed and did not find a continuation. Although, in my opinion, I found two elements to imitate - equipment for self-entrenching and a ribbed upper frontal plate.

Yes, a very exotic example of a BBT. No one else in the series implemented or accepted the gun aiming by turning and tilting the entire hull into service. Only later the Germans played around with the experimental VT1 with two guns.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/VT1_(Leopard_3)

And even then, the only horizontal guidance was by turning the hull. So the Strv 103 is a military-technological dead end. But an interesting one. And as you correctly noted, individual technical borrowings from this design took place later. And I think that not everything was taken. For example, the idea of ​​a two-engine combined diesel-gas turbine plant, in my opinion, can be taken. In a rethought form, of course.

In this regard, my friend remembered the two-link scheme. After all, the tank's comprehensive protection has a weight limit and in the future it can be transformed into a small maneuverable, maximum robotic vehicle, infantry fire support. I would like to know your opinion. With respect.

The idea of ​​a two-link tank, as we know, is constantly being brought up, but there are still no serial two-link tanks in service.

In my opinion, it is possible to do it easier than to make a two-link tank. Armored vehicles should be equipped with standard automatic coupling devices, with the help of which, without leaving the armor, you can take a damaged sample of similar combat weight on a rigid coupling and tow it. Moreover, the automatic coupling device in the bow and stern should be universal, with the ability to rotate and tilt one "link" relative to the other (as is implemented on two-link tracked APCs and all-terrain vehicles) so that you can take on a rigid coupling both bow to stern and stern to stern. In some cases, for example, in urban combat, immediately use equipment on an automatic coupling. For example, a heavy infantry fighting vehicle or APC on an automatic coupling with a tank, stern to stern - a kind of push-pull capable of quickly changing the direction of its movement to the opposite, etc.

A light roller anti-mine trawl, frankly speaking, suggests itself as a standard device. The previously absent self-entrenching equipment has become such.

Regarding the robotization of armored vehicles. In my opinion, it is worth starting with light wheeled armored reconnaissance vehicles on three- or four-axle chassis that are resistant to AT mine blasts. Leading outposts and reconnaissance patrols, reconnaissance in force... and even such vehicles today do not have much practical sense without anti-drone APS.

We need anti-drone APS: "Like air, like bread..." And there is no news about testing even one such APS. I hope this is only because a sudden massive combat use of armored vehicles equipped with such APS is planned, and not because nothing has really been done in this area so far.

[AMG]

Against the background of all sorts of discussions, suddenly memories of the idea of ​​creating a teletank arose. It turns out that this fantastic topic, for those times, was studied from 1929 to 1939 on several models. But even more surprising was the video of the successful test of the T-72B teletank under the R&D "Kaliningrad" from 22.01.2013. And completely by chance this morning a message about the approbation (as in the text) at the Ministry of Defense test site of the hardware and software complex "Prometheus" on the BMP-3. It turns out that the topic still excites the minds of designers. In your opinion, will this come to a concrete implementation?

[Alexandra]

If the issue of modification of serial armored vehicles has been "stirring people's minds" for almost a hundred years, but remote control equipment has not been installed on serial armored vehicles anywhere in the world, then there is something clearly wrong with the issue. What do you think?

Robotic combat and reconnaissance armored vehicles with one or another ratio of autonomy and remote control certainly have their own niche, but in my humble opinion this niche will be successfully occupied NOT by mass conversion of serial manned armored vehicles into robotic armored combat vehicles used to solve those previous tasks for which they were previously created.

Which, however, did not and does not prevent design bureaus from “mastering budgets” by converting serial tanks/infantry fighting vehicles into remote-controlled ones.

[AMG]

The topic of two-link vehicles is certainly complex, despite the fact that they are produced in small series (our DT-10, DT-30, DT-3PB and Swedish). I did not have time to figure out whether there is a power transmission to the rear link. Really, with the help of cardan shafts? And regarding the teletank, I would like the idea to finally reach practical application. After all, they say that the R&D "Kaliningrad" gave a positive result. And this is in the recent past. Of course, it is not reasonable to interfere with serial production now, but a pilot batch (10-20 vehicles) can be made for testing in action. Take the T-55 hulls, make a light turret with its gun, a simple automatic loader for 20 shots. Order parts for the actuators from the allies (maybe they will like the idea, because they like to do alterations). Assemble everything at the repair plant, test it on the battlefield and upon completion make a final decision. Another amateurish question: if it is possible to create an APS with at least 75-80% efficiency, then why would a tank need "thick" armor? After all, nowadays tank almost never fights with tank, everyone has abandoned anti-tank guns, and the "Rapira" will soon be out of stock. And finally, another immodest question: how old are YOU? I am 75. With respect.

[Alexandra]

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The topic of two-link machines is certainly complicated, despite the fact that they are produced in small series (our DT-10, DT-30, DT-3PB and Swedish). I did not have time to figure out whether there is a power transmission to the rear link. Could it really be with the help of cardan shafts?

Yes. Cardan shafts.

Take the T-55 hulls, make a light turret with its gun, a simple 20-shot automatic loader. Order actuator parts from the allies (maybe they'll like the idea, too, because they like to do modifications). Assemble everything at a repair plant, test it on the battlefield, and make a final decision upon completion.

I don't understand why they need to invent an AZ for the T-55 if everything has been done for the T-72B a long time ago? In my opinion, this will not give any new qualities to old tanks, and in my humble opinion, all tanks equipped with telecontrol equipment will be quickly lost during attempts at combat use during military trials during the SVO. Or maybe they will burn several FPV drone control vehicles. They were created in the Kaliningrad R&D on the basis of army trucks with a KUNG. No one bothered with microminiaturization of control stations, so that not a KUNG with equipment, but a couple of protected laptops and a portable radio link, albeit with repeaters. Like those that are widely used to receive video from the Mavic nano-UAV and control these UAVs.

Another amateurish question: if it is possible to create an APS with at least 75-80% efficiency, then why would a tank need "thick" armor? After all, nowadays tank almost never fights with tank, everyone has abandoned anti-tank guns, and the "Rapira" will soon be out of stock.

Now a tank does NOT fight with a tank. They will install anti-drone APS, it will be able to fight again. Although it is unlikely to be on the fields of the SVO. The only question is to what extent robots, wheeled and other "robot dogs" will replace live infantry on the battlefield by the time the tank again wins with the tank.

At the same time, in modern MBTs, real protection against medium-caliber shells and heavy ATGMs is within the safe maneuvering angles of +25 degrees, -25 degrees. In the best case, +30 degrees, -30 degrees - just to calm the crew.

Even an illiterate Arab grenade launcher who performs five prayers a day knows that you need to hit the side and the stern.

On the other hand, the American light tank M10 Booker (well, how light, 38-41 tons depending on the additional armor kit), which was cancelled this month, did not have an APS. The newest American tank does not have an APS.

Its unsuccessful competitor, the M8 from BAE Systems, also did not have an APS during the competition. I mean, the Israeli Iron Fist APS was on the M8 in the last decade. At the AUSA Global 2019 exhibition, the M8 tank was demonstrated with the Iron Fist APS.
But for some reason the US Army has recently found no need for a KAZ on a light tank (however, literally a few months after Low Rate Initial Production, the M10 light tank itself also found no need). There is no point in looking for normal logic in all this. There is none. There is a logic of conflicts of interest of those who decided to "earn" on state finances that were allocated for "the process itself".

Of course, installing a KAZ on light/medium armored vehicles can increase the survivability of these armored vehicles even higher than the survivability of MBTs not equipped with a KAZ.

However, the armor of light armored vehicles is unlikely to be able to protect these vehicles from being hit by fragments of a 120-140 mm APFSDS round from an intercepted and partially destroyed APS.

It cannot be said that APS will "cancel" anti-projectile "passive" armor. On the contrary, there is hope that APS will eventually allow the design and production of heavy tanks with side anti-projectile (from 105-140 mm kinetic projectiles) protection, which modern MBTs do not have.

And finally, one more immodest question: how old are YOU? I am 75. With respect.

54. With respect.

[AMG]

I have the opportunity to continue my fantasies about a teletank. T-55, because there are many hulls. The autoloader on the T-72 is quite complex, a simple, cheap one is needed, like on the AMX-13. The control equipment can probably be lightened, if up to 500 kg, then place it on a buggy, if up to 50 kg, then two packs for carrying. On top is a regular "barbecue". The tactics of use are to approach a forest plantation or the outskirts of a populated area and fire at the enemy with direct fire. In case of loss, I think it will be cheaper than losing a T-72 or T-80. After all, now we see how tanks turned into barns fire smoothbore guns from closed positions at a range of less than 10 km. Do you need a gas turbine engine and an automatic loader for this? And does a modern fire control system help fire from closed positions? It is clear that now we need quantity and the conveyor will not be rebuilt, but the outlines of a robot war in various directions are already appearing. If they were doing this in 2013, then why not conduct real-life testing now? And now another question, if you don't mind. Many in the comments advocate destroying the bridges across the Dnieper. I think that this is quite a difficult task. In your opinion, what means can be used to do this and what force would be needed?

[Alexandra]

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I have the opportunity to continue my fantasies about the teletank. T-55, because there are many hulls.

There may be several thousand hulls, but there are far fewer that are suitable for turning into a living tank at an acceptable cost.

The 103rd BTRZ near Chita is currently fulfilling a contract for the major repair and modernization of 800 T-62 tanks. Over the course of three years, the plant will restore and modernize eight hundred T-62s.

This is the approximate volume of restoration and modernization of the T-55 at an average armored repair plant, ~800 tanks in 3 years.

The AZ on the T-72 is quite complicated; a simple, cheap one like the one on the AMX-13 is needed.

The AMX-13 had an oscillating turret. Such a turret, and also with an autoloader (which still needs to be developed), will most likely cost more than a major overhaul and modernization of the entire T-55.

In my opinion, this is several years of work... in order to have several hundred T-2030 teletanks in the 55s?

In case of loss, I think it will be cheaper than losing a T-72 or T-80.

The T-72 and T-80 are being modernized and sent to the front now, but a new turret for the T-55 with an automatic loader is not even in the design stage yet.

After all, now we see how tanks have been turned into sheds.

Those tanks that have been converted into sheds and have roller anti-mine trawls, they participate in assault operations. Those with more modest canopies and without trawls, they are used as mobile guns, yes.

In case of loss, I think it will be cheaper than losing a T-72 or T-80.

The cheapest option would be to install anti-drone KAZ on tanks. Starting with the new T-90M and going down.

Does a modern fire control system help shoot from closed positions?

The BMP-3 and BMD-4M FCS are quite suitable for this, as are the ballistics of the 2A70 gun. With tank guns, everything is much worse. And tank FCSs have this option to some extent, and tank guns have a large dispersion in range when firing from the ZOP. Although, perhaps, when firing at a target "a trench in a forest belt" this is not so significant. Trees provide a significant vertical component, shells explode in their crowns. The V-429E fuse is sensitive enough that when set to fragmentation action, it will work even when colliding with dense foliage (the fuse is prohibited to be set to fragmentation action during rain or hail).

Many in the comments advocate for the destruction of the bridges across the Dnieper. I think that this is quite a difficult task. In your opinion, what means can be used to do this and what forces can be deployed?

Now there are UMPKs for aerial bombs up to and including FAB-3000. The accuracy of satellite navigation alone for hitting a bridge support with an FAB with an UMPK is not enough, but for the same Geranium-2, there are homing heads with an optical-electronic guidance system. If such optical-electronic guidance systems are combined with FABs with UMPKs, then strikes by single Su-34s with FAB-1500s and FAB-3000s with UMPKs operating at extremely low altitudes will knock the spans of these bridges off their supports in just a few days. At the same time, combat losses of Su-34s over enemy territory are possible. If the FAB-1500s and FAB-3000s with UMPKs are equipped with a TRDD-50 with a fuel reserve for a couple of hundred kilometers of flight, then even low-altitude breakthroughs of the Su-34s behind the front line will not be necessary.

Another way is to equip existing cruise missiles, from the Kh-65 to the Kh-101, with a seeker with an optical-electronic guidance system. Then the bridge trusses will be knocked off their supports by Long-Range Aviation in several group sorties. Even with a much higher missile consumption. After all, a ~400 kg CRBD warhead is much weaker than a FAB-1500, let alone a FAB-3000. Several direct hits from a CRBD with penetrating warheads will be needed to destroy some supports.

[AMG]

Let me continue. If in order, then why 800 T-60s? Probably half have been made in the past period, but they are not visible at the front. Are they piling up if it comes to entering the operational space? Penetration into the topic of unmanned combat vehicles has produced a number of models: in addition to the T-72 Kaliningrad, these are the Vikhr, Marker, Udar and serially produced Urans. And even the Americans made their mark by showing their development Ripsaw M5. This is evident so that everyone can see what they can do. Otherwise, they are probably true to their aerospace strategy. Closing the topic of the unmanned T-55, I will repeat the main factors - the presence of a certain number of reliable chassis, albeit outdated, an accurate gun, and the design of a simple turret with a simple drum or conveyor AZ could be done with the help of CAD by Bauman graduate students. And in regard to bridges, if serious modernization of the means is necessary to destroy the bridge supports, they can try to destroy the roadbed adjacent to the bridge and periodically interfere with its restoration. Another question. How do you assess the SVP-24 "Gefest" complex used in the recent past?

[AMG]

Typo, T-62, not T-60.

[Alexandra]

Here's a tank driver's answer to how they fight on the T-62M:

https://vkvideo.ru/video-212354794_456241654?t=8s&ref_domain=yastatic.net

In terms of vulnerability in the conditions of widespread use of FPV drones, the modernized T-62M as nomadic firing points are practically not inferior to the modernized T-72. Unitary shots with a metal casing have a lower fire hazard if the tank's armor is penetrated by a cumulative charge.

How do you evaluate the SVP-24 "Gefest" complex, which was used in the recent past?

For "counter-insurgency" type combat operations, when the enemy has the best mass air defense system - MANPADS, "Gefest" is an excellent solution.

However, even irregular formations in the "3rd world" countries have begun to acquire SAMs that are higher altitude than MANPADS, including "garage"-produced SAMs. For example, a SAM with a launch from a ground-based launcher on a car chassis of the R-27T/R-27ET air-to-air missiles. So, under certain conditions, the "Gefest" may lose its relevance even against an irregular enemy.

On the other hand, the Jews, in a very short period of time, using various methods, including the widest use of "sabotage"-type means, with the mass use in the first hours of military operations of previously delivered and deployed "fifth column" remotely controlled via Starlink kamikaze attack multicopters and remotely controlled MANPADS, so beat up Iran's missile air defense that today it seems to have almost ceased to exist and today many targets in Iran can be bombed at will from heights inaccessible to MANPADS missiles.

Technological progress in military affairs does not stop, and has even accelerated recently due to the "drone revolution" (medium, light UAVs, and especially mini- and micro-drones) that began in the last decade.

It is worth falling behind in the development of technical means of struggle for a while, not paying attention to something, and you are unexpectedly and painfully hit by these very new means of struggle.

[AMG]

Thanks for the reply. So does that mean unmanned ground vehicles have a bright future?

[Alexandra]

Of course. In combat robots with AI.

[AMG]

But they probably won't make it to this war. And the tanker speaks competently and convincingly. Most likely, he would have said the same about the modernized T-55, because it has a longer firing range. Even the "poor" Israelis made their own heavy armored personnel carrier "Arzarit", and the Omsk BTR-T didn't work in its time. But now it would be useful, because even the ATS-59 was exposed, it's a shame. And why is it so bad even with civil aviation? The design school is lost, there is not enough production capacity, have they forgotten how to make engines or something else? Your opinion.

[Alexandra]

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Even the "poor" Israelis made their own heavy armored personnel carrier "Arzarit", and the Omsk BTR-T did not work in its time. But now it would be useful, because even the ATS-59 was exposed, it's a shame.

"We have the means. (He taps his forehead.) We lack the brains." (C)

The attached illustration shows how the BMPT was seen by a competent author (S. A. Gusev, "Combat vehicle for tank support," Bulletin of armored vehicles, No. 7, 1991) in 1991, and what was eventually accepted into service is known.

Why is it that even civil aviation is so bad? The design school has been lost, there is a lack of production capacity, have we forgotten how to make engines, or something else?

A little bit of everything. Especially if the money allocated for development "sticks" to the hands of high-ranking administrative officials.

This thing was called "managerial revolution" in the West and its consequences in the same West are visible, for example, in the failures of Boeing's civil projects, the same Boeing 737 MAX. And the "revolution" had a full impact on the same "unfinished" F-35 from Lockheed Martin.

In our country, the "revolution of managers", when the development strategy is determined NOT by verified customer requirements and talented designers, but by administrators who manage "financial flows" for their own benefit, was further aggravated by the post-Soviet collapse of the 90s.

[AMG]

And then the question is, where will such a system lead and who will answer for the consequences? Of course, a naive question, but still?

[Alexandra]

http://ukros.ru/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Брошюра-Сплетенный-мир.pdf

"Humanity is faced with a development crisis that has three independent components: a crisis of industrial society (phase crisis), a crisis of scientific thinking (epistemic
crisis), crisis of the format of existence of reason (sociosystemic crisis).
This publication is a summary of a report devoted to aspects of this triune crisis and possible ways to overcome it. These ways do not boil down to a more or less soft rejection of the achievements of civilization, a sharp reduction in the population, a fall in the standard of living. Other solutions are possible and necessary."

[AMG]

Thanks for the source, the only familiar surname is Pereslegin S.B. Somehow I feel worried about future generations.

[AMG]

If you considered my last question provocative, I apologize.

[AMG]

Greetings! Your knowledge continues to amaze, in particular the "helicopter" machine gun, Jane 9394. Help me understand how the Tor and S-300 missiles are inclined towards the target after launch. Why do the Americans prefer an inclined launch on land and a vertical one at sea? At first glance, vertical is preferable from a ship. For some reason, the Soviet fleet stubbornly clung to inclined.

[Vlad Gor]

It is too early to discuss the "Victory Parade - 80" as a political action. What was discussed with China behind closed doors? Openly showing handshakes to the DPRK generals, what does this mean? We must wait for the answer from the parade participants.

[Spark-tia]

Somehow, the DPRK leaders and military are not noticeable at the parade. They will march, or so it seemed.
Maybe I didn't see everything..... They showed a group, a delegation from the DPRK. KIM JONG-UN was not visible on the podium.

[Vasya_2]

TG writes that a monument (although it is a bust) to Stalin was unveiled in Melitopol.

...and when will the mausoleum be in Moscow?

[Aleksandr58]

Be afraid, bastards! But the heirs are still shameful - another year the Mausoleum is shamefully covered with plywood. The leaders feel that they do not reach the level of the victors of the Great Patriotic War. But we will win nonetheless! And grandfather Lenin is honored and studied throughout the world, unlike us.

[log]

The Supreme One disgraces and humiliates the Victors by still draping Lenin's mausoleum and covering it with plywood shields. What is he afraid of? The ideology of communism? You can't get rid of it, and with the names of Lenin and Stalin, men stood up and went to their deaths. Shame on you, Vladimir Vladimirovich!

[log]

I propose to raze the mausoleum to the ground, so as not to disgrace ourselves with covering it with plywood every year on Victory Day. And the oligarchs will be calmer.

[igorra]

I see our guarantor, he is ashamed of his own country's history, draping the mausoleum. No one forces him to enter the mausoleum, but you stand up and greet the parade. This is the real elite of the country. The spectator, damn it.

[Muzzle]

Nazi Germany capitulated with the destruction of 8 people, with a population of 400, so it is not difficult to calculate that Ukraine will capitulate with a population of 000 with the loss of 69 people, unless of course there is an agreement. Of course, this is approximately, based only on the experience of the Great Patriotic War.
And also, it always upsets me when they say we can repeat it, because this, considering the losses in the Great Patriotic War, means that back then in the USSR, with a population of 196, we lost 716 citizens. Yes, we won, but this victory came with huge losses. So what can we repeat?? We lost too much in that war and the biggest mistake was that we closed ourselves off from the rest of the world in our country. We built the Berlin Wall, tightened the ideology of the party, instead of developing socialism and spreading it to the entire Western world. Instead, the top brass began to create party communism. Which is only suitable in wartime, that is, the top brass of the country remained the same after the war and the main means became the build-up of military force. They artificially removed competition in technology and ideology, closed themselves off from the world within themselves, like spiders in a jar. Thank you com. party, which got so carried away by the party struggle that in the end it destroyed itself. Let's not forget that the most common toast after the war was after the toast to victory!!! A toast to "So that there will be no war!!!" That is, our leaders made themselves inferior. That is why they looked up to the West and so strove for it, not realizing that without changing the attitude towards their citizens within the country, the party would simply fall apart. The first sign thundered with the uprisings in 000 in Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, the GDR, then 26 was repeated, then in Poland. The top did not want to change, they wanted it as it was, so they got it, and Afghanistan also finished them off with China. Because China began to change in a smart way, and we, in one fell swoop, and this, with the defeat in Afghanistan and stagnation in the country, social reform finished off the USSR.
Well, the most important thing in this situation now is that we can conclude that with a population of 35 it is impossible to change the government in the country, with the introduction of a 000 contingent, if the government has the support of the population. Now we have returned 000% of Ukraine in 250 years, then it turns out that all of Ukraine will be behind us, in 000 years??? There are only two solutions here. It is either good to destroy the enemy, or good to seize territory.

[Zoer]

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Nazi Germany capitulated with the destruction of 8 people, with a population of 400, so it is not difficult to calculate that Ukraine will capitulate with a population of 000 with the loss of 69 people, unless of course there is an agreement. Of course, this is approximately, based only on the experience of the Great Patriotic War.

The logic of the hare, from a joke. "Wolf, do you have any matches? No? Then you're gay!"
Germany lost not because it lost more than 10% of its population, but because it was unable to defeat the Red Army, and therefore lost, having the war already on its territory and having lost so much of its population.

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USSR, with a population of 196, we lost 716 citizens. Yes, we won, but this victory came at enormous cost.

I'm so fed up with the number manipulators. Is it you who are so softly propagandizing that the USSR threw corpses of Germans at them?
Let's start with the fact that the military losses of the USSR and Germany on the Eastern Front are approximately equal; only the genocide of our prisoners can give the Germans the advantage.
Let's continue with the fact that the BD on the territory of the USSR lasted more than three years, on the territory of Germany - less than a year. Moreover, the Germans were engaged in genocide of the civilian population of the USSR, ours in Germany - NO! And only for this reason the USSR lost so much population.
Comparing it with the current situation in Ukraine is fundamentally wrong. And you are a provocateur and a Western propagandist.

[Idle_piston]

[Quote"Demonstration of global influence": ] [/ Quote]
Demonstration of global influence is, first of all, economic power, when they are afraid to introduce increased customs tariffs against your country, and also the presence of eleven strike aircraft carrier groups is also a "demonstration of global influence."

[Goroches]

So be happy for your masters and their carrier groups.

[Idle_piston]

How does your master make you happy? With just statements?

[sidorov]

It looked like a show of Uncle Xi's influence. The Emperor visited the province.
It was to him that everyone aspired and the enemies feared his wrath...

[Zoer]

Once again, the mausoleum was cowardly boarded up with plywood.