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Why do we need to urgently invest in defense ("Les Echos", France)

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Why do we need to urgently invest in defense ("Les Echos", France)

Reducing our defense capabilities in the face of the emergence of new threats is complete nonsense. We should, on the contrary, strive for their development using the significant savings of the French as a financing mechanism.


600 billion euros. It is this amount that Russia intends to spend on rearmament for seven years under the leadership of former KGB lieutenant colonel Vladimir Putin. Nevertheless, the European Union allocates every year only a few tens of millions of euros for a common security policy. He relies on NATO and member states to ensure his defense. However, with the exception of France and Great Britain, not a single large European nation is going to form the means for the needs of its own security and that of its neighbors. As for NATO, Americans increasingly prefer to refrain from participating in operations (as was the case in Libya and Mali), and are also starting to withdraw their bases from Europe (think about stopping the deployment of missile defense) because of financial difficulties and a shift of priorities towards Asia.

Soon, France and the UK will have to fight alone, on behalf of Europe, with present and future threats: cyber-war (it is imperceptible to the eye, but is already in full swing) and Islamic terrorism in our territory and southern Europe. In addition, we should not forget about the situation in the east of our borders, namely the rearmament and increase of the defense budget in Russia and nationalist sentiments in China.

But maybe France will still be able to fill the gap, to make this task a strategic, industrial and financial priority? Last week, the head of state said he would refrain from cuts in the defense budget. Good news. But is this enough, considering that NATO recommends that each of its members allocate at least 2% of GDP for defense? For France, this means a defense budget of at least 41 billion euros, which is 10 billion more than the current figure. So where and how to find the missing 10 billions?

First of all, it is necessary urgently in the name of Europe to withdraw the defense budget from the hard Maastricht criteria. As can be seen from the example of the fight against Islamic terrorism in Mali, France is de facto paying out of its own pocket for the security of its neighbors. In addition, one of the mistakes of the creators of the euro, which is the short-sighted and ill-conceived reduction of the military capabilities of the EU member states, should be quickly corrected.


As for financing, there are three possibilities. Firstly, we can turn to our partners in the eurozone (first of all, those who are least invested in defense, that is, Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium, Scandinavian countries) with a request to contribute to the common interests to which they preferred would close my eyes. Secondly, it would be possible to save money, and not in the state budget, already compressed to the limit, but where overspending is literally striking: this is more than 500 billion euros in social programs, various kinds of abuse (see on the reports of the Court of Accounts), as well as the financing of local authorities (more than 200 billion euros in departments, regions, communes, etc.).

The third option is to consider the defense industry as an investment in security and the future. There is a direct link between the country's defense budget and its capabilities in the field of technological innovation. France, like no other country, is well aware of this: for more than half a century, it has been showing excellent results in the nuclear power industry, aircraft industry and space. The current supremacy of the United States on the Internet is largely due to the fact that the global network was a continuation of the Arpanet project of the US Department of Defense (the same applies to GPS, by the way). Israel is a state accustomed to war with the highest ratio of scientific research to GDP in the world. There is a very strong culture of venture capital and innovation, which is associated with many factors, and in the first place - with significant expenditures on defense needs.

Everyone has long understood that large private organizational investors (banks, insurance companies) in France are no longer able to finance innovation due to the rules of profitability. The savings of the French are very significant (2,6 trillion euros in long-term deposits), so we shouldn’t have time to start issuing high-yield government bonds for 10 billion euros each year that will finance future programs? Nanotechnologies, biotechnologies, information security, civilian drones, renewable energy sources - civilian applications for military developments in the 21st century are more than enough. For payments on bonds in the future, it will be possible to arrange the sale of patents on non-strategic from the military point of view innovations that will be developed in the course of these programs.

The industrial initiative from the European Union, unfortunately, does not have to wait. Therefore, let us launch a French initiative that will bring security, economic growth and jobs to our country and to all of Europe. Unlike Putin’s Russia, we don’t have oil in France, but there are still ideas. 750 000 engineers deserve to work for the future of their country, not in Sacramento or in their outdated positions in the City of London.
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  1. domokl
    domokl April 7 2013 07: 58 New
    23
    Interestingly, after reading this article, the French will be scared? If France did not spend so much money on participating in the affairs of other countries (which they do not ask about it), then there would not be a problem ...
    1. Trofimov174
      Trofimov174 April 7 2013 09: 19 New
      10
      Quote: domokl
      Will the French get scared?

      What are they afraid of? This is the French, warehouses with hundreds of thousands of white flags for surrender will not go anywhere anyway.
      1. redwar6
        redwar6 April 7 2013 15: 57 New
        0
        Indeed, they have been practicing for a long time: D
    2. Russian
      Russian April 7 2013 09: 47 New
      +6
      I’m wondering how they wrote about Germany. It turns out that the Germans are investing in their defense industry, but they don’t want the EU defense! Well done, what can I say, so for myself, they will quietly squeeze everyone under them.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS April 7 2013 21: 17 New
        +2
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        I’m wondering how they wrote about Germany. It turns out that the Germans are investing in their defense industry, but they don’t want the EU defense! Well done, what can I say, so for myself, they will quietly squeeze everyone under them.

        The Germans are perhaps one of the few countries that are pragmatic about their defense policy.
        They don’t take part in adventures like the French in Mali and don’t spray money like the Americans.
        They have a clear defense strategy.
        They clearly remembered the outcome of the Second World War and remember this.
    3. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg April 7 2013 12: 08 New
      +5
      There you see what methods are offered - we will reduce the social rate and require money from partners. Well, there’s something else about bonds that looks even more wretched. Purely my place is the French, well, those that blacks and Arabs will definitely manage and arrange such a pogrom there that Libya will seem like a children's party. It’s their free grub that they want for some defense needs to be reforged. Partners simply silently show the middle finger. Bonds - yeah, schaz will give them banks to release candy wrappers ... there Syria has not yet been plundered, and then release some candy wrappers. So the man is saying everything right, even if he continues to do this.
      1. Alexander-Tomsk
        Alexander-Tomsk April 7 2013 12: 50 New
        +6
        In the same thought. The author obviously did something wrong, considering France and Great Britain (he didn’t understand why they dragged it on) as a shield from the East against barbarians (Poland also strangely thought this role was taken forever). Trim the social. expenses (for a long time in the suburbs of Paris the blacks did not host the show), and to demand the equipment of the defenders of Europe (read the troops of France) money from the countries of Benelux and Germany - it's just five!
        Well, the last question arose for the author, he painted everything so cool, and who will fight then will be a foreign legion consisting of blacks and Slavs, or indigenous messengers with homosexual tendencies. request
        1. kaprall
          kaprall April 7 2013 13: 21 New
          0
          Something you are categorical about France, the legion is not very different from the whole army in preparation, since the whole army is counter-tactical. And the fact that there are minorities, where are they not? In the State Duma, they say, up to a third of deputies vote against when they themselves belong to minorities. Well, oh well, it's about hypocrisy.
          Regarding our army, it should not be discounted that NATO standards are the best today, should be taken into account and used in our army, then our army would be really better, and not in the minds of dreamers of the Arbat Military District
          1. Норд
            Норд April 7 2013 14: 40 New
            0
            Quote: “As can be seen from the fight against Islamic terrorism in Mali, France de facto pays out of pocket for the security of its neighbors.”

            Oh how. And I did not know that France has common borders with Mali ...
            The plucked Gallic rooster remembered imperial ambitions. Really, a new Buonaparty was born. The truth Hollande clearly does not pull Napoleon, rather, a buffoonery jester ...
          2. Норд
            Норд April 7 2013 14: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: “As can be seen from the fight against Islamic terrorism in Mali, France de facto pays out of pocket for the security of its neighbors.”

            Oh how. And I did not know that France has common borders with Mali ...
            The plucked Gallic rooster remembered imperial ambitions. Really, a new Buonaparty was born. The truth Hollande clearly does not pull Napoleon, rather, a buffoonery jester ...
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 7 2013 19: 32 New
            +8
            Quote: kaprall
            NATO standards are the best today, it would be worth taking note of and using in our army, then our army would be really better, and not in the minds of dreamers of the Arbat VO


            In practice, when they talk about standardization, it’s primarily not the identity of the weapon that is parsed. OShS of divisions and uniform teaching methods in high school, and first of all, that with the command of the operation by representatives of one power (as a rule, from the leading members of the Alliance, primarily the USA), the subordinate units of the armies of different countries will act in the same way, according to one pattern, blindly carrying out orders and avoiding “creative initiative”.
            Naturally, the US co-production is the best and, accordingly, the so-called NATO standards have no alternative .. Going all the way to NATO standards, whatever advanced they are, means transferring your army to full command of the US command ... if you say bluntly.
            You can switch to NATO calibers, have in your army’s armaments various types of weapons and military equipment, including from the arsenals of the Alliance. You can wear a uniform tailored to the NATO model, but the main thing is different. The armed forces of the country until then remain an instrument of state policy, as long as they are led by the national command using their own command and control system, the core of which in modern conditions is the automated command and control system (ASUV).
            Membership in NATO implies the inclusion of a new member of the Alliance in the bloc’s management system based on its principles (as you know, they don’t go to a foreign monastery with their own charter). For example, former members of the Eastern bloc presented similar requirements for joining NATO.
            The transition to NATO standards in the field of automatic control systems will have to be carried out in a relatively limited time. Under these conditions, the Russian “defense industry” will most likely not cope with the task, and Russia will be forced to purchase Western equipment and attract Western firms to finalize its ACSM. That is, upon transition to NATO standards for the Western economy, “golden rain” will spill Russian military orders, and the domestic “defense industry” will be largely deprived of state defense orders.
            The collapse of the Russian defense industry segment following the transition to a NATO-type ACMS, not only accelerates the process of de-industrialization of the country, excludes the defense industry from the most important “locomotives” of modernization development, but also leads to devastating social consequences due to the collapse of city-forming enterprises.
            And most importantly: the use of the RF Armed Forces within the framework of NATO will necessarily imply external control over nuclear weapons (NW) as the most powerful component of the Russian Armed Forces. And this means that the Russian military will have to reveal, to one degree or another, the principles of using domestic nuclear weapons, including the procedure for its authorization.
            “NATO’s goal should be two strategic objectives: to strengthen security in Europe by drawing Russia closer to the Euro-Atlantic community and integrating Russia into a broad global security system that would indirectly help disperse Russia's residual imperial ambitions.”

            Z. Brzezinski
            This is what NATO standards for Russia are in short, turning into cannon fodder for overseas owners.
            And therefore, Corporal tell tales about NATO standards, the best and unparalleled anywhere in Hydepark, and not to people with a military education and who served in the army for more than one year.
            1. Son
              Son April 7 2013 21: 38 New
              0
              Ascetic, BRAVO ..!
            2. APASUS
              APASUS April 8 2013 19: 30 New
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              Quote: Ascetic
              Naturally, the US co-production is the best and, accordingly, the so-called NATO standards have no alternative .. Going all the way to NATO standards, whatever advanced they are, means transferring your army to full command of the US command ... if you say bluntly.

              You can look at the experience of our former friends !!
              Almost all of them wanted to abandon Soviet weapons, but they were offered to buy new ones and the entire restructuring of the army to NATO standards again fell on their budget.
              They repented and left part of the armament, and many countries greatly reduced their ambitions after the announcement of the price tag.
          4. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow April 7 2013 21: 59 New
            0
            NATO is an invented standard. It doesn’t suit our army and navy, we don’t live in Benelux. There are positive points, but copy? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          5. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg April 8 2013 00: 41 New
            0
            These are the best standards in which homosexuals in the army have authority? Let's really look at things - the army in which there is fighting spirit, and not the one in which the standards are high, will win. But what kind of standards can Sodomites have?
            1. Old skeptic
              Old skeptic April 8 2013 01: 02 New
              0
              It has already been said more than once, not homosexuals, but "combat piderasts"
    4. beech
      beech April 7 2013 22: 39 New
      0
      less need to support scumbags in Libya and Syria !!
  2. mda
    mda April 7 2013 08: 00 New
    +7
    In addition, do not forget about the situation in the east of our borders, namely the rearmament and increase in the defense budget in Russia and the nationalist sentiments in China.

    Well, Russia, from this word alone, Europe’s pants are wet, but why have China gotten it here?
    1. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac April 7 2013 08: 21 New
      +5
      China in the East. the rest is not important - a threat from the East.
      1. mda
        mda April 7 2013 12: 45 New
        +2
        Quote: wasjasibirjac
        China in the East

        But a few thousand kilometers from Europe
    2. hrych
      hrych April 7 2013 16: 45 New
      +3
      Well, France in Africa is the main colonialist, and here they appeared with green candy wrappers (except for the Limpopo Valley in the world this paper no longer has popularity), those to whom Lenin opened his eyes a little, got worried.
  3. Deniska999
    Deniska999 April 7 2013 08: 05 New
    +6
    By the way, during the campaign to Libya, the French aircraft carrier participating in it, the French themselves were not able to provide.
  4. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 April 7 2013 08: 06 New
    16
    France, and indeed Europe as a whole, need not to build up defense, the most urgent today is the strengthening of internal security, it is strange that European politicians do not see a threat from within, they made it possible for Islamic fanatics and terrorists to gain a foothold in their countries. Europe will not fall apart from an attack from outside, the belief that the terrorists raised by them who destroyed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, and now destroy Syria, will never come to them. Naive misconception. Over the past 50 years, Europe has been very attractive to Africans, Arabs, and many others. Of course, no one in Europe is waiting for them, if someone is needed there, then only as a servant. Will this situation suit those who dream of gaining access to the benefits of European civilization? it seems to me that no. Riots of emigrants in European countries are already happening, when there will be even more of them (emigrants), a fire will break out, and it is hard to say what Europe will put out.
    1. Nick
      Nick April 7 2013 09: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: vladsolo56
      it is strange that European politicians do not see a threat from within, they made it possible for Islamic fanatics and terrorists to gain a foothold in their countries. Europe will not fall apart from an attack from outside, the belief that the terrorists raised by them who destroyed Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq, and now destroy Syria will never come to them

      Yes, indeed, the myopia of Europe is a permanent thing. France, for example, until the age of 39 was confident in Germany’s inability to seize the country. The Britons also thought that Hitler would go to war in the East and even stimulated him in every possible way. In response, they received the bombing of London from Hitler.
      History does not teach them anything.
      1. Dilshat
        Dilshat April 7 2013 11: 04 New
        +1
        I still think LN Gumilyov was right with the theory of passionarity. Europeans are becoming less and less masters of their own. And from this they become very dangerous (Hitler). But they will leave the world arena for a long time. Like evil spirits in a horror movie gradually and slowly fading away at the hand of the exorcist.
  5. Alan
    Alan April 7 2013 08: 12 New
    12
    They would have to think about internal security rather than Russia; was in Paris 2007, Arabs and blacks on the street no less than "people of European appearance." This is where the main threat is already well off the outskirts.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 7 2013 08: 18 New
      +7
      Quote: Alan
      This is where the main threat is already well off the outskirts.

      Over time, one denomination will supplant another and that’s it. By the way, here it will prove itself in all its glory minus the contract army, when the majority cannot stand up for themselves and fully hope that Bruce will fly by helicopter and save everyone by killing the enemies.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter April 7 2013 09: 02 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        One denomination will supplant another over time.

        Question - where? Is it not for the war?
        We will already have a question - how to get rid of p "houses? It is good that we have no joint borders.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 7 2013 10: 21 New
          +2
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Is it not for the war?

          In order to go east, you need a powerful army, whose soldiers will be ready to die for an idea. There is no such idea in Europe. The only one who has this is the Islamists, but they will deal easier and closer with Europe.
          1. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg April 8 2013 00: 43 New
            0
            The Syrians still have such soldiers. We will have something if someone leads the horn ...
      2. Kolya
        Kolya April 7 2013 09: 29 New
        +1
        Let's think about evolution and defense. Nothing absolutely makes sense in relation to living beings if it does not concern evolution, since life is interrupted without being able to withstand the challenges of the future. Defense is not a human invention - it is part of it. Man inherited the concept of defense through the evolution of species: needles, armor, fangs, claws, etc. as an analogy. Any living creature that is not able to defend itself in 100% will be destroyed. In the wild, creatures have huge costs to defend. Food and defense are the essence of life and its priority. As applied to man: he who does not feed his army does not feed the alien army either, because this is the end of his evolution and his life.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 7 2013 18: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Kohl
          Let's think about evolution and defense

          They wrote too sophisticatedly, this is not evolution, this is degradation hi
  6. bask
    bask April 7 2013 08: 13 New
    +9
    Quote: mda-a
    Idno on the example of the fight against Islamic terrorism in Mali, France de facto pays for its own karma

    France since the presidency of Sarkozy has been firmly laid under the United States and NATO. Its role in NATO is to control, black Africa, but there it is confronted with the interests of China. That's all geopolitics.
    And the army of France, armed and equipped, is at the highest world level. And all this costs big, very big funds.
    The French have no printing press with $$$$.
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone April 7 2013 08: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: bask
      The French have no printing press with $$$$

      But they have a printing machine €€€€.
      In my opinion, an article that, in the opinion of the author of France, it is necessary to invest in defense in order to enrich the high-tech sector of industry and science.
      In principle, they have all the components for this.
  7. svp67
    svp67 April 7 2013 08: 29 New
    +6
    “For what they fought, NATO and ran into it” ... One thing is bad, the “wind” sown by them has already turned into a “storm” and it will hook everyone. So, Russia now needs to strengthen and beat the enemy in every possible way, and he is already known in foreign territories ...
    1. Nordwest
      Nordwest April 7 2013 17: 13 New
      0
      From the lips of the patriot of the motherland, it sounds differently: So, Russia now needs to strengthen in every possible way economically, improve the education and well-being of the people, and also pay great attention to the country's defense capabilities. You and your comment are more like an aggressor or dream of working according to the NATO method.
  8. omsbon
    omsbon April 7 2013 08: 56 New
    +5
    The main and very real threat to France is already in place, it (the threat) sets fire to their cars and receives a cash allowance.
  9. pinecone
    pinecone April 7 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: mda-a
    and why are China confused here?

    China was "confused" because on April 2, two frigates and an auxiliary vessel of the Chinese Navy entered the port of Algeria on a friendly visit, which will last until tomorrow, after which they will leave for Morocco.
  10. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 7 2013 09: 09 New
    +4
    As can be seen in the fight against Islamic terrorism in Mali, France de facto pays out of pocket for the security of its neighbors.

    Where is France and where is Mali? Very close neighborhood.
    Excessive spending is literally striking: we are talking about more than 500 billion euros in social programs

    Well, well ... cut back on blacks and other Wahhabis ... they'll put you right there with cancer.
  11. Tatarus
    Tatarus April 7 2013 09: 10 New
    +4
    Let the women of Paris cry.
    Let pissing hot London and Berlin.
    But I see no other way.
    In Europe there will be a Russian Lord. (Do not yell !!! This is For rhyme. The Lord will be from the Euro-Asian Union)
    Tatarus
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 7 2013 10: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Tatarus
      But I see no other way.
      In Europe there will be a Russian Lord. (Do not yell !!! This is For rhyme

      Islam in Europe will be lord! This is for rhyme and more reliable hi
      1. Nordwest
        Nordwest April 7 2013 17: 21 New
        -1
        There were times when Islam threatened Europe more, but it still lives and is not bad.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 7 2013 18: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Nordwest
          but she still lives and not badly.

          Different things live and exist, and especially when a person exists without faith in tomorrow!
          1. Nordwest
            Nordwest April 7 2013 22: 07 New
            0
            Therefore, I noted that he lives and also makes plans for the future. Agree that this is in your interests.
  12. treskoed
    treskoed April 7 2013 09: 11 New
    +2
    There is a knockout of funds in the military budget of France. Heroic victory in Mali - and there will be a result!
  13. logik
    logik April 7 2013 09: 29 New
    +3
    Quote: Tatarus
    In Europe there will be Russian

    therefore, they are afraid that they know all their affairs end with the arrival of the Russians, although against the will of the Russians themselves. This fear is already in the genes, and not in the thoughts - history has brought them up.
    1. Nordwest
      Nordwest April 7 2013 22: 40 New
      0
      Anger from one to another comes from fear and envy. You will not find anywhere so many vicious comments as on Russian pages. Given this pattern, a different picture emerges.
  14. fenix57
    fenix57 April 7 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    One more "fighters" with terrorism. The familiar "song", as if in a pattern. The mess is utterly unremarkable, but they’re going where. Although not themselves, the "teacher and inspirer" advised ...
  15. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 7 2013 09: 33 New
    +2
    It seems to me that it's too late for the Franks to come to their senses. In 40 years, the French will become an ethnic minority. Even closing borders will not help. Arabs are already full on the outskirts of Paris and breed like rabbits.
    1. kaprall
      kaprall April 7 2013 13: 26 New
      0
      Because these immigrants use the social system of France to the fullest, they live on benefits, someone moonlight, and someone crime. And there is no way out of this situation, since socialism in France after IIWW
  16. logik
    logik April 7 2013 09: 37 New
    +3
    Quote: Speckled32
    Arabs are already full on the outskirts of Paris and breed like rabbits

    Yes, it doesn’t matter to the puppeteers, the same Arabs will be sent for diamonds and oil, and then they will call them unclean and arrange another witch hunt
  17. logik
    logik April 7 2013 09: 45 New
    +4
    Just a thought.
    why don't they like Russians?
    As is customary for them - a neighbor attacked - he gathered an army, won, took a quitrent - everyone is happy.
    A neighbor attacked us, fought off, and then he came and admonished to remember
  18. dimon-media
    dimon-media April 7 2013 09: 58 New
    +3
    Yes, Lord, why are they going to fight with us all the time ?! While they are poking around in our direction, like a bear is arming himself, their fucking crisis is absorbing them more and more. Yes, in the entire history of mankind, Russia has never shown aggression and did not go on the Crusades. Not unleashed any of the world wars. Already "sick" from these Russophobes. Yes, if Joseph Vissarionovich had a desire, then all of Eurasia, Asia, Europe and Africa would have spoken Russian long ago in the late 40s. Why on earth do we need you, Holodtrans ??? What to take from you, euronachi are you kind of? In fact, I just want to give them a father-in-law “bream”, so that they shut up and do not poke in our direction. Well, they asked for it, they asked for it to God. If 1000 people repeat every day that the cow can fly, it really will fly. How much can one talk about the same thing ?! Your puppeteer is sitting overseas, so sit under his strict guidance.
  19. const72
    const72 April 7 2013 10: 00 New
    +2
    And why do they need bonds, it is necessary to step aside from the example of Cyprus 10-20 percent of these 2,6 trillion and all business
    1. dimon-media
      dimon-media April 7 2013 10: 04 New
      +2
      It can be so, but it can be like this: - following the example of the dawn of forced collectivization and dispossession in the USSR. Everything personal in the common fund.
      1. kaprall
        kaprall April 7 2013 13: 28 New
        0
        It is easier to thieves and thieves to Siberia to exile all families, parents, children and relatives. Convert the Arctic Circle. And then, after 30 years, everything will leave China.
        1. Alexander-Tomsk
          Alexander-Tomsk April 7 2013 16: 43 New
          +1
          We have enough of our own here! They stole and go to Europe to live wink (as a joke)
  20. Alikovo
    Alikovo April 7 2013 10: 11 New
    +1
    military plants can be transferred to the production of civilian products: the tank factory will produce agricultural
    machinery
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 7 2013 12: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: Alikovo
      tank factory will produce s \ x
      machinery

      We have already gone through this. The conversion is called. Pots instead of airplanes. As a result, the collapse of industry, the stagnation of science and, as a result, the collapse of the country
  21. fenix57
    fenix57 April 7 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    Quote: logik
    A neighbor attacked us, fought off, and then he came and admonished to remember

    And that would not come more foe, otherwise there will be nothing to remember ....
  22. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 7 2013 10: 46 New
    +1
    Quote: logik
    Just a thought.
    why don't they like Russians?
    As is customary for them - a neighbor attacked - he gathered an army, won, took a quitrent - everyone is happy.
    A neighbor attacked us, fought off, and then he came and admonished to remember


    And the main thing is that I didn’t take the quitrent.))) It’s their whole brain that is tearing.
  23. logik
    logik April 7 2013 10: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Zomanus
    It’s all their brain tears.

    Right That was the thought.
    Bear wink will win anyway. But now, "bastard" why not according to their rules.
  24. Xroft
    Xroft April 7 2013 10: 58 New
    +1
    If the Islamist problem eats up Europe from the inside, then we are corruption. You say that Europe is not far-sighted and does not see threats from the inside, but what about us? Okay, at least attempts began with the Moscow Region, but again Serdyukov was free too ....
  25. the polar
    the polar April 7 2013 11: 06 New
    +2
    Yes, they fuck and nah all this "defense and weapons." The French moneylenders drooled over two trillion philistine savings - to print “high-yield bonds” on them, reinsure them with derivatives, more than once, inflate the “bubble” to one hundred trillion, break a bank and leave a philistine franc with a naked w ... about it between the lines and written.
  26. the polar
    the polar April 7 2013 11: 07 New
    0
    Yes, they fuck and nah all this "defense and weapons." The French moneylenders drooled over two trillion philistine savings - to print “high-yield bonds” on them, reinsure them with derivatives, more than once, inflate the “bubble” to one hundred trillion, break a bank and leave a philistine franc with a naked w ... about it between the lines and written.
  27. Smirnov Vadim
    Smirnov Vadim April 7 2013 11: 31 New
    0
    Comment check
  28. TSOOBER
    TSOOBER April 7 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    Affected Putin's oil and 750 French engineers :-) But Russia is not building nuclear power plants? Aircraft and spaceships do not? Glonass doesn't work? Yes, and there are no engineers chtoli? for some reason I do not like the French! I wonder why?
    1. krokodil25
      krokodil25 April 7 2013 13: 07 New
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      Quote: TSOOBER
      Affected Putin's oil and 750 French engineers :-) But Russia is not building nuclear power plants? Aircraft and spaceships do not? Glonass doesn't work? Yes, and there are no engineers chtoli? for some reason I do not like the French! I wonder why?


      Inside me, it’s directly infuriated where they have come up with orbital stations in aviation, except for a bespont mirage, nothing but the smallest competition is the nuclear power plant with their German nemesis, they’ve really gotten dirty, but there’s nothing to be done. Legatushniki we are going to you !!!
      1. Kavtorang
        Kavtorang April 7 2013 14: 03 New
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        Have you been taught that underestimating the enemy is the first sure step to defeat?
        Well, let's take it in order, without banging our heads into geopolitics: they themselves wrote about nuclear power plants. Space - about "Galileo" you find or a link to give ?, orbital stations - the current is called not the Russian, but the ISS, there are French blocks and modules there. "Bespontovy" "Mirage" (he has modifications - mother, dear) is in service with the Air Force, for example, about 20 countries and has a very rich combat biography, starting from the very first three, including a lot of air battles with the MiGs.
        Personally, the Navy’s theme is close to me: “Mistral” is a completely respected vessel, if used at that time and in that place (and if something, then the French already have three of them in the Navy BS: “Mistral,” “Tonner,” “Dixmund”) . Govind Corvettes, Forbin destroyers, Barracuda submarines. DKA on the skegs. AVMA "Charles De Gaulle" - albeit shitty, but by the fact that the atomic one of our "Kuznetsov" is blocked, and even the experience of designing, building and operating a nuclear carrier. Yes, and decked "Rafal-M" brought, damned paddling pools, to mind. SLCM "Scalp-Naval". I can continue
        1. krokodil25
          krokodil25 April 7 2013 14: 51 New
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          Quote: Kavtorang
          Space - about "Galileo" you will find or a link to give ?, orbital stations - the current is called not the Russian, but the ISS, there are French blocks and modules


          You are aware with whose help this "Galileo" is launched into space. And I don’t need to talk about the ISS, I know perfectly well that this is an international station, but there is one thing but what would their modules and units be worth without our missiles, so you don’t need to tell me about space what France means there, speak mirages in 20 countries only from them it’s not hot it’s not cold at least 50

          Quote: Kavtorang
          Charles De Gaulle "- albeit shitty, but by the fact that the atomic


          The fact of the matter is that the atomic only plus of this trough, the economy of the geyrops is bent by them no longer before the aircraft carriers will soon be scrapped, but what is rafal-m translated into Russian it turns out to be uniformly compare it even with an instant-29k and then speak to mind brought.
          1. Kavtorang
            Kavtorang April 7 2013 15: 04 New
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            Have you tried to drink Valerian? Sometimes helps wink
            For the Mirages - let the pilots express their opinion - I’m a sailor, what data are available - they brought them.
            But for the Mig-29K - you think it is correct to compare the declared characteristics and what is already flying and the combat run-in has passed - I do not agree with you. Combat use and flying at a record in range and the wonders of maneuvering are not the same thing.
            About combat clashes and aerial battles Mig vs. Mirage - literature (including translated) is enough.
            Forgive me, but the main problem of this site is cheers-patriotism. So it was - before the Russo-Japanese War of 1904-05.
            1. krokodil25
              krokodil25 April 7 2013 15: 52 New
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              Quote: Kavtorang
              About combat clashes and aerial battles Mig vs. Mirage


              That you all got attached to us, except for the twigs, there are dry fighters, neither mirages nor rafals standing next to the 27th, not to mention the 30th and 35th, and well, for them it’s an impossible dream.


              Quote: Kavtorang
              Forgive me, but the main problem of this site is cheers-patriotism.


              The main thing is not cheers liberalism am
              1. the polar
                the polar April 7 2013 18: 34 New
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                krokodil25

                That you all got attached to us, except for the twigs, there are dry fighters, neither mirages nor rafals standing next to the 27th, not to mention the 30th and 35th, and well, for them it’s an impossible dream.

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                The Kavtorang is right, only in real battles can you find out whose technique is superior. Everything else is a philistine chatter
  29. TSOOBER
    TSOOBER April 7 2013 12: 32 New
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    Affected Putin's oil and 750 French engineers :-) But Russia is not building nuclear power plants? Aircraft and spaceships do not? Glonass doesn't work? Yes, and there are no engineers chtoli? for some reason I do not like the French! I wonder why?
  30. Kavtorang
    Kavtorang April 7 2013 14: 20 New
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    Quote: TSOOBER
    for some reason I do not like the French! I wonder why?

    Why? wink
    1. TSOOBER
      TSOOBER April 7 2013 19: 01 New
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      French "scary that death" wassat the French, I have a normal orientation repeat And why should I love them? request
  31. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 7 2013 16: 01 New
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    Underestimating the enemy almost always leads to defeat. The article itself is not so bad. The author stands for his defense industry, and this is not bad. We would have more of such authors. Sincerely.
  32. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 April 7 2013 16: 50 New
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    Well, the French and NATO, of course, everything is sad for you, there’s only one way out - either a bullet in the forehead or surrender. Well, you can still be part of the Russian Federation.
  33. shurup
    shurup April 7 2013 16: 55 New
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    France has a cheaper way, namely to bring the number of colonels to the level of Russia and choose presidents only from their ranks. Obersts are accustomed to bending the colonels into different poses and counting on their sympathy in the absence of Russians nearby recklessly.
    And Russian colonels love cognac made from grapes grown by free French in free France. Just do not confuse freedom with collaborationism.
  34. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 7 2013 23: 46 New
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    We recommend the French to read the following work and think:
    “The new novel by the famous writer E. Chudinova, written in the dystopian genre, this time tells about our possible future. One morning the EU declares Islam the state religion. Notre Dame turns into a cathedral mosque, as it once happened with St. Sophia in Constantinople: Terrorism and resistance, the ghetto and the catacomb of the Catholic Church are narrated by a novel that could become a formidable prophecy, like the famous Oh, This Brave New World by Huxley, or Orwell’s 1984.
    "Old" Europeans are exiled to the ghetto, their daughters are taken away through harems and brothels. The Catholic Church goes into the catacombs, as in the time of the persecution of the first Christians. Only a handful of underground members are still fighting. To submit or fight, even without hope of victory, is a choice facing all those who still remember their glorious ancestors. Behind the adventures of the heroes of the book lies a difficult choice, which we must realize. "
    And then we'll talk about the role of Russia in the life of Europe.