India and Pakistan: No compromise yet, but no war yet

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India and Pakistan: No compromise yet, but no war yet

It often happens that, against your will, world events force you to return to topics that, as it seemed only recently, have been exhausted. Today is precisely such a case. I am again delving into the relations between two neighbors, two nuclear powers, between India and Pakistan. Earlier, I already expressed my opinion on whether a nuclear conflict will be unleashed or not.

Both countries do not want to fight. Both countries are afraid of the use of nuclear weapons. weapons. But both countries understand that today much depends on circumstances. India understands perfectly well that Pakistan has no chance in an open war. And Pakistan understands this. Hence the only solution that can change the situation. Nuclear weapons!



The only solution that can fundamentally change the situation in the region. A solution that will cost everyone involved dearly. That is why the leaders of both countries are looking for ways out of the situation without "losing face." Diplomats and intelligence officers from both countries are actively working on how to resolve the task at hand. Contacts have been recorded in Washington, Moscow, and Brussels.

But today I will touch on the already widely voiced topic of the shortage of ammunition, particularly artillery, in Pakistan. As it turns out, many simply do not remember when and how these deliveries were made and why, according to experts, Pakistan will not be able to wage even a limited war. Four days of intensive military action is the period that experts cite when assessing Islamabad's reserves.

When Pakistan Squandered Its Ammunition Stockpile


I will reveal another "secret" that has been known to everyone for a long time, but was voiced quite recently by the Indian publication The Indian Express with reference to military experts. And it all began in 2022. Pakistan never advertised its supplies, everything was done secretly.

However, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to be unable to compare arms import revenues. The data is publicly available. So, 2021–22 was $13 million. And here are the data for 2022–23. $415 million! How’s that for an increase in revenue? 3000 percent! And what could Pakistan export and where for that amount?

Again, it is worth looking at the press of the side opposing Islamabad. It is clear that the Pakistani capital denied everything, but... So, The Economic Times. Supplies went to Ukraine through Polish and German ports. In particular, Polish Gdansk received 2023 containers with ammunition in January 159. These are 155-mm shells, mortar mines, etc.

In February, the German Emden became a transit point for Pakistani ammunition. Now these were shells for Grads. According to other sources, more than 10 thousand pieces! I understand that the numbers can be staggering, but the information is confirmed by several sources. Here you have a source of "bad" profit, as well as... a serious weakening of the potential of your own army.

It is clear that the question of Pakistan's defense industry arises. Ammunition was produced there, too. Five factories located in Wakh produced up to 200 shells annually. This is the maximum that can be "squeezed" out of these enterprises. But everything again went to "help Ukraine." There is no such thing as extra money, and here such a "source" opened up. So the production did not increase the reserves in the arsenals in any way.

The conflict is "growing up"


Alas, if we put aside the officialdom, we must state the fact that the confrontation is intensifying every day. Pakistan has already made an official request to convene an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council. On May 4, Pakistan's Permanent Representative to the UN Asim Iftikhar Ahmad announced this.

In general, if you listen to Indian and Pakistani politicians, you get a vicious circle. Everyone is guilty or everyone is innocent. As you wish. I will probably repeat what I have already written, nothing new, it was exactly the same in previous conflicts. The past is telling. One master, the same traditions of diplomacy, the same attitude to war.

India is not sitting idle either. Just now information came in. I will quote the India Today report:

"India urgently strengthens air defense: the army received Russian missiles "Igla-S" worth over ₹250 crore (a unit of aggregation equal to 10 million rupees, 250 crore is about ₽2,5 billion). The missiles have already been sent to the forward units on the border with Pakistan. The contract was concluded under an emergency procedure."

Let's see if India can "calm down" or if war is inevitable. According to the latest information, the US, represented by the Vice President, is talking behind the scenes about giving New Delhi carte blanche to end the confrontation between the two countries once and for all. Everything is clear here, the Americans are in their style. To create tension on the borders of China with someone else's hands.

Ultimately, it seems to me that negotiations are possible soon. The governments of both countries are ready for this. But the population of Kashmir is not yet ready. It will take time to calm the Kashmiri Hindus. Especially since some signs of a religious war have already appeared. Mosques are being demolished in Kashmir…

Overall, I repeat, I do not see a military development of events. No one wants a big war. And minor conflicts between border guards are common there and do not impress either side. There is no compromise yet. But it will be found.
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  1. 0
    10 May 2025 05: 00
    Both sides supply shells to the Khinzis. In particular, 125-mm HE FS TK tank high-explosive fragmentation shells (Pakistan) are purchased by the Eurochpoks for the Ukrainian Armed Forces. These shells, produced in Pakistan at the Pakistan Ordnance Factories enterprise, have already been repeatedly spotted in the ammunition of Khinzi tanks. The conveyor belt of various ammunition supplies from Pakistan to Ukraine has been ongoing since the summer of 2022.
    So let's wish them success.
    1. +4
      10 May 2025 05: 07
      Photo of the 125 mm Indian SHELL 125 MM HE 1A high-explosive fragmentation projectile produced by the Indian state defense company Munitions India Limited in service with the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The Ukrainian Armed Forces also use 155 mm M1A4 ERFB-BT and M107 HE projectiles produced in India.
  2. +2
    10 May 2025 05: 15
    And he destroys my defenses -
    Old Indian - at the moment,
    It vaguely reminds me
    Indo-Pakistan incident.

    In that very conflict that Vladimir Semenovich mentioned, the losses were:
    Pakistan - 7982 killed, about 75 thousand prisoners of war, as well as 18 thousand members of paramilitary formations, according to another version 90 thousand.
    246 tanks, 94 aircraft, 4 ships, 16 boats destroyed and 10 captured, 2 submarines
    16 merchant ships were destroyed and 7 were damaged.
    India - 1047 killed, 89 missing, 3042 wounded in the eastern theater and 1426 killed, 3611 wounded and 2149 missing in the western theater, or, according to another version, 3402 in both theaters, 9851 wounded.
    73 tanks, 45 or 71 aircraft, 1 ship.
    During the SVO, the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the entire bloc of “sympathizers” that joined them would amount to a military conflict in comparison with the conflict between India and Pakistan.
    I can only assume that any third party involvement in the conflict will be a catalyst in a chain of events...
    And if we leave the problem solving to the participants themselves, it will gradually die out.
    * * *
    Even the UN could not stop this "eternal" conflict... As long as it does not affect third countries, we should simply keep what is happening under control - probably the pressure on the population of these countries has exceeded acceptable standards.
    It may be a bit cynical, but it is true and to the point.
    hi
    1. 0
      10 May 2025 07: 32
      Quote: yuriy55
      And if you leave the problem solving to the participants themselves, it will gradually die out.
      Usually all fights start with the words: "Who are you?" And now between India and Pakistan the showdown is going on exactly like this, with the clarification of the relationship, "Who are you?" And if it is not stopped in time, then........
      1. +2
        10 May 2025 08: 38
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        And if you don't stop in time, then...

        Kyiv's partners will be left without supplies of shells from India and Pakistan.
      2. 0
        10 May 2025 18: 33
        So what? Let them fight as much as they want, another market will appear for weapons, including ours, and at the same time it will divert the resources of Western countries from Ukraine - so let them fight.
        1. 0
          11 May 2025 12: 09
          Let's digress from the topic of "we ourselves need it more" and ask the question - which side of the conflict should sell these weapons to, who do we support?
          We are in favor of a multipolar world, after all - that means for both sides at once?
  3. -1
    10 May 2025 05: 25
    It has already started.
    There is no other choice left but to start a full-scale war. (…) We have no other options but this. We must pay them back in the same coin
    Khawaja AsifMinister of Defense of Pakistan

    https://lenta.ru/news/2025/05/10/net-inogo-vybora-pakistan-nachala-krupnomasshtabnuyu-voennuyu-operatsiyu-protiv-indii/
  4. -1
    10 May 2025 07: 05
    Important lessons from India:

    Diplomatic mistakes India:

    a) At the diplomatic level On the other hand, the Indian leadership has never provided any hard evidence against the attackers from Pahalgam (Kashmir).

    b) China has already offered their support to Pakistan. The US and Russia have taken a neutral position and isolated themselves from taking sides.

    c) Indian media was broadcasting cheap and low-quality propaganda and undigested lies to satisfy their magistracies in New Delhi.

    d) The Indian Version The Kashmir attack was hard to digest. The Indian leadership showed abnormal haste in pointing the finger at Pakistan. The international community was suspicious of the false flag operation inside India.

    d) In 2025, the Indian leadership deliberately destroyed its relations with neighboring countries such as Sri Lanka, Nepal, Bangladesh, Maldives, Myanmar, Bhutan, Afghanistan, etc. This proves that the leadership in India was controlled by some external forces.

    India's Tactical, Strategic and Operational Mistakes:

    a) Indian leadership underestimated the weapons, ammunition and weapons produced in China.

    b) The Indian leadership underestimated the capabilities of the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

    c) The Indian leadership has shown blind faith in weapons, ammunition and weapons purchased from European countries. But weapons Products manufactured in the US, Russia and China are highly reliable.

    The EU-made weapons showed mediocre results Ukraine. Includes AMX-10C, radio-controlled vehicles (France), Leopard MBT tanks – 1A5 and 2A6 (Germany), CV90 IFV (Sweden), etc.

    d) The Indian Air Force (IAF) has demonstrated its limitations through sub-optimal performance.

    d) The Indian leadership underestimated the capabilities of the Chinese PLA Air Force. It is their,

    (01) Ballistic capabilities
    (02) Avionics Capabilities
    (03) Radar capabilities
    (04) Software capabilities
    (05) Capabilities of fighters and pilots
    (06) Cyber ​​and Network Capabilities
    (07) AI Capabilities
    (08) Electronic warfare capabilities, etc.


    Conclusion
    The range, flexibility and lethality of the J10C (also JF17, J13, J15, J16, J35 fighter etc., powered by the PL-15E BVRM engine, is extremely high.

    How? (a) Using the latest updated version of Avionics software (b) Using GaN AESA based Radars (c) Modern algorithms, data links and satellite communications etc.

    The engagement envelope of a J10C equipped with PL-15E becomes very high when it is combined with the data link for communication with the AWACS system.
    1. +4
      10 May 2025 08: 42
      That feeling when a comment contains more information and analysis than an article. +
      1. +3
        10 May 2025 11: 02
        Comment - "ripped off" from somewhere, very clumsy translation)))
        1. man
          +1
          10 May 2025 18: 03
          Quote: TermNachTER
          Comment - "ripped off" from somewhere, very clumsy translation)))

          Maybe a foreigner wrote it?
          1. +2
            10 May 2025 18: 12
            It was definitely written by a foreigner, but I seriously doubt that he understood what he was writing about.
            They now have experts like dogs that have not been cut. Plus Google translator. However, the problem is in what was originally written.
    2. 0
      10 May 2025 08: 47
      Quote: sodium20
      The Indian media was broadcasting cheap and low-quality propaganda and undigested lies to satisfy their magistracies in New Delhi.

      Yours mine understand. It is obvious that you are writing through an automatic translator. The Indians should put pressure on their journalists. Their work yesterday resembled the best examples of UNIAN. Simply insane lies.
  5. -2
    10 May 2025 07: 45
    Pakistan is not our friend at all, neither is China, they have many sins. If we don't support India now, consider it lost.
    1. +3
      10 May 2025 11: 03
      And India didn't make efforts to lose it? The Indians themselves were acting up without a reason to blame Russia for something now.
      1. +2
        10 May 2025 11: 07
        P.S. The Indians have always, even in the USSR, taken an ambivalent position - they were "friends" with everyone. However, now the bias towards the West has become obvious, although it is not clear why the Indians think that only they are smart, and the rest "went out for a walk"?)))
      2. 0
        10 May 2025 14: 36
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The Indians themselves did weird things without a button accordion,

        Quote: TermNachTER
        Indians have always, even during the Soviet era, taken an ambivalent position

        These are the ones with the red skins? belay wink
        1. +1
          10 May 2025 16: 22
          Indians are Indians even in Africa)))
          1. 0
            10 May 2025 16: 29
            Quote: TermNachTER
            Indians are Indians even in Africa)))

            wink
    2. SAG
      0
      11 May 2025 14: 54
      Quote: igorra
      Pakistan is not our friend at all, neither is China, they have many sins. If we don't support India now, consider it lost.

      Let's support India, consider losing China, then either our Motherland or the whole planet! Because of such experts, who don't even understand what they are writing about, just to squeeze in their comment!
    3. 0
      11 May 2025 15: 03
      Quote: igorra
      If we don't support India now, we'll consider it lost.

      And did India support us? The question is rather rhetorical.
  6. 0
    10 May 2025 12: 45
    The region is not actually controlled by either India or Pakistan, and therefore is teeming with various kinds of paramilitary groups, and any periodic squabbles between them automatically draw India, Pakistan, and interested states into the conflict – China, Britain, the United States, etc.
  7. 0
    12 May 2025 10: 30
    Well, turkeys are some warriors:
    "The battle that decided the fate of India between Clive and Siraj ud-Daulah took place near the village of Plassey (Palashi) in West Bengal on June 23, 1757... The Indian army consisted of 35 infantry and 15 cavalry. The British army was also quite numerous, by colonial standards of the era. Clive had about three thousand people at his disposal. Among them were a thousand British soldiers and about two thousand well-established sepoys (mercenaries recruited from privileged Indian castes). Ud-Daulah also had an advantage over the British in artillery: 50 field guns against 8. Despite the overwhelming superiority of the Indian side, the battle ended in the complete defeat of the Bengal nabob.
    If I'm not mistaken, this is Zaikonnikov, "History of the West. Colonial Era".