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Since the end of the Second World War, the question of the ownership of the southern Kuril Islands has been a major obstacle to the complete settlement of Russian-Japanese relations and the signing of a peace treaty. The position of Tokyo is that a peace treaty will be concluded only if all the contested islands return to Japanese jurisdiction. At the same time, Japan refused to offer Russia to create a joint commission of historians to find a compromise on the issue of the Kuril Islands.


Each prime minister, each party that won the election is set to return the Kuriles. At the same time, there are parties in Japan that claim not only the southern Kurils, but also all the Kuril Islands up to Kamchatka, as well as the southern part of Sakhalin Island. Also in Japan organized a political movement for the return of the "northern territories", leading regular propaganda activities.

At the same time, the Japanese pretend that there is no border with Russia in the Kuriles region. The southern Kuril Islands belonging to Russia are shown on all maps and postcards as the territory of Japan. Japanese mayors and police chiefs are appointed to these islands. Children in Japanese schools are learning the Russian language - in case the islands are returned to Japan. Moreover, they are taught to show "northern territories" and juvenile kindergarten students on the map. Thus, the idea that Japan does not end here is supported.

As a result of such propaganda, the Japanese have no doubt that Russia will give up the Kuril Islands. At the same time, the Japanese are confident that the islands will be returned to them in the near future, avoiding the thought that it could be otherwise. At the same time, they very carefully study any word spoken in Russia, any behavior of the Russian leaders about the Kuriles, and interpret them in the way that Tokyo benefits. However, hoping that eventually the disputed islands - Kunashir, Shikotan, Iturup and Habomai will return to them, the Japanese are not going to invest money there in the future. This is illustrated by the example of the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido, which is significantly lagging behind the south of Japan, and whose development the Japanese government does not wish to finance.

Meanwhile, the Japanese businessmen of the Japanese city of Nemuro understand that if this happens the return of the country of the "northern territories", they will go bankrupt. It was thanks to the Russian tourists that this formerly neglected town flourished. That is why the descendants of the former inhabitants of the Kuriles are not going to return to the Kuriles. Only deep old men intend to return to the islands so that their graves will be along with the graves of their ancestors. And while these people are alive, the authorities are actively using them, for they understand that with time, the reason for “returning refugees to the Kuril Islands” will simply disappear. And this makes Tokyo’s hopes of including islands in its borders unrealizable.

By decision of the Japanese government, starting from 7 February 1982, the country celebrates the "Day of the Northern Territories" annually. It was on this day in 1855 that the Simodas treatise was concluded, the first Russian-Japanese treaty, according to which the islands of southern Kuril Iturup, Kunashir, Shikotan and Habomai retreated to Japan. This day is traditionally held a "nationwide rally for the return of the northern territories", which is attended by prime ministers and government ministers, members of parliament from the ruling and opposition political parties, former residents of the southern part of the Kuril Islands. At the same time, dozens of campaigning busts of ultra-right groups with powerful speakers plying between the parliament and the Russian embassy go to the streets of the Japanese capital, painted with slogans and under militaristic flags. At the maximum allowed loudness, old military marches are spread out of them and, in broken Russian, they demand the return of the northern territories to Japan. However, holding rallies in Japan for the return of the "northern territories" is not the best way to strengthen partnerships and an atmosphere of mutual understanding and trust between the two countries, since the manner in which the "Day of the Northern Territories" is celebrated prevents the resolution of the Kuril problem.

The government of the Russian Federation has repeatedly stated that sovereignty over the southern Kurils is not negotiable, and Russia will strengthen its presence in them, making all the necessary efforts for this. In particular, the Federal Target Program "Social and Economic Development of the Kuril Islands" is being implemented, thanks to which the former Japanese "northern territories" are actively building infrastructure facilities, building a new airport in Kurilsk, almost completing the construction of a wharf in the Whale Bay, asphalt roads between settlements . It is also planned to build aquaculture facilities, kindergartens and hospitals. So the help to the residents of the Kuriles, which Japan had previously provided, is no longer needed. Meanwhile, Japan has not yet responded to the proposal of Russia jointly, with mutual benefit, to master the Kuriles. Moreover, the Japanese government calls on foreign firms to refrain from participating in the development of the Kuril Islands, since this will be the de facto recognition of the authority of the Russian Federation over this territory. At the same time, the construction of a port facility on Iturup Island is being carried out by the South Korean construction company Kumuto. At the same time, Koreans declare that since Iturup has a rich nature that favors the location of sanatoriums and ski resorts here, they are ready to take part in their construction.

There is no doubt that the long-term interests of Russia and Japan would be further facilitated by a further consolidation of constructive interaction on topics uniting Moscow and Tokyo. This, in particular, the deepening of political contacts, including closer cooperation in the international arena, the expansion of cultural and humanitarian exchanges, and the building up of mutually beneficial economic cooperation. Moreover, Tokyo is interested in cooperation with Russia, which can become a reliable energy supplier for Japan. At the same time, active joint work on the dynamic advancement of the whole complex of Russian-Japanese relations can help create a favorable background for dialogue and on complex political issues.

Russia is ready to discuss a peace treaty with Japan, based on the UN Charter. Russia is also willing to look for a mutually acceptable way out of the situation with the disputed Kuril Islands. At the same time, the new leadership of Japan, represented by Shinzo Abe, the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party, which won the election last December, promises to be more accommodating on the Kuril Islands. So, Shinzo Abe expects to solve the territorial problem between Russia and Japan and sign a peace treaty and intends to visit Russia this year.

However, the words of the Japanese prime minister, known for his radical views on foreign policy, are likely to remain words. As you know, Shinzo Abe is a supporter of the abolition of the 9-th article of the Japanese constitution, according to which Japan can not have its own army, but can only be "self-defense forces." Claiming that he was able to solve the existing territorial issues, Shinzo Abe hinted that he was ready to speak from a position of strength. Moreover, Japan intends to increase its military budget for the first time in more than 10 years. Thus, aggressive rhetoric once again sounds in Japan.

Recently, former Japanese Prime Minister Esiro Mori, who was delegated by a special envoy in February 2013 to Moscow, put forward his plan for concluding a peace treaty with Russia. According to this plan, Tokyo can make "unprecedented" concessions in relation to Moscow, recognizing Russian jurisdiction over Iturup Island, the most populated of the southern Kuril Islands. At the same time, Japan plans to take the islands of Shikotan, Kunashir and Habomai. Thus, the "concessions" relate to the weaning of the islands belonging to Russia. Meanwhile, according to the Secretary General of the Japanese Cabinet of Ministers Yoshihide Suga, the Japanese government maintains the previous position, which consists in the need to determine the territorial affiliation, of course, in favor of Japan, all the southern Kuril Islands, and conclude a peace treaty with Russia. At the same time, according to him, Japan is ready to show a flexible approach in terms of their actual return. Thus, Suga actually repeated the line of Japan on the Kuril Islands, which had been repeatedly stated before.

However, Russia will not make territorial concessions to Japan. Moscow believes that Russia's sovereignty over the Kuril Islands is absolutely legal and cannot be doubted. And the solution to the problem of a peace treaty, including the issue of border delimitation, should be mutually acceptable, approved by the public and parliaments of both countries and not harm the sovereignty and national interests of Russia.

According to Tokai University professor Yoshihiko Yamada, now is the time to speed up negotiations with Russia. In his view, Japan should leave self-derogatory historical position, prepare materials with new grounds for discussion and begin negotiations on disputed territories that will determine the future of Japanese-Russian relations.
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  1. dmitreach
    dmitreach April 5 2013 15: 23 New
    61
    brevity is politically motivated. (ladies forgive me, for tactlessness)
    1. Russian
      Russian April 5 2013 15: 32 New
      15
      Yes, everything is clear here, Japanese politicians are increasing the electorate with the help of these statements, now it’s fashionable to blame Russia for everything, you look and the good uncle Joe will highlight something. And so, it would be better if they monitored their territories, otherwise the Chinese will soon chop off their islands, while they will get everything for the Kuril Islands!
      1. xmel2003
        xmel2003 April 5 2013 19: 23 New
        +5
        Uncle Joe was called Stalin. Perhaps you had in mind Uncle Sema?)))
        1. Russian
          Russian April 5 2013 19: 31 New
          0
          Uncle Joe called Stalin? The first time I've heard. Let it be Sam, in my opinion both of these names refer to the same country.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 April 5 2013 19: 36 New
            +7
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            Uncle Joe called Stalin? The first time I've heard.

            Yes, yes it is him. According to legend, Churchill so called him.
            1. Russian
              Russian April 5 2013 19: 44 New
              +2
              Thanks for the information, I will know! But somehow the rumor cuts, to call Uncle Joe the man who has done so much for our country! Let the British, if they want, they call it that, but we already, thank you)
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 5 2013 20: 14 New
            +1
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            Uncle Joe called Stalin? The first time I've heard. Let it be Sam, in my opinion both of these names refer to the same country.

            This is Uncle Sam star-striped

            Uncle Sam arose as the personification of the United States during the British-American War of 1812. American folklore claims that the expression “Uncle Sam” was associated with the butcher Samuel Wilson, who supplied provisions to Troy’s New York military base. Wilson labeled meat barrels with the letters US, referring to the United States, and the soldiers jokingly said that the meat came from Uncle Sam.
            On March 13, 1852, the New York newspaper NY Lantern Weekly allegedly published the first image of Uncle Sam. The traditional image was mainly created by the artist Thomas Nast in a series of political cartoons published in the second half of the XNUMXth century.



            It is known that Churchill and Roosevelt called I.V. Stalin's “Uncle Joe” - “Uncle Joe”. He knew about this and was not offended. But in general, Stalin had a bunch of pseudonyms., Like no other politician in world history
          3. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 5 2013 20: 15 New
            +4
            Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
            Uncle Joe called Stalin? The first time I've heard. Let it be Sam, in my opinion both of these names refer to the same country.

            This is Uncle Sam star-striped

            Uncle Sam arose as the personification of the United States during the British-American War of 1812. American folklore claims that the expression “Uncle Sam” was associated with the butcher Samuel Wilson, who supplied provisions to Troy’s New York military base. Wilson labeled meat barrels with the letters US, referring to the United States, and the soldiers jokingly said that the meat came from Uncle Sam.
            On March 13, 1852, the New York newspaper NY Lantern Weekly allegedly published the first image of Uncle Sam. The traditional image was mainly created by the artist Thomas Nast in a series of political cartoons published in the second half of the XNUMXth century.



            It is known that Churchill and Roosevelt called I.V. Stalin's “Uncle Joe” - “Uncle Joe”. He knew about this and was not offended. But in general, Stalin had a bunch of pseudonyms., Like no other politician in world history
            1. mamba
              mamba April 5 2013 23: 47 New
              0
              Ascetic.
              Something you have with the format of the text is clumsy: the right side is not visible. Probably type in advance in a text file, and then copy to comment?
          4. starshina78
            starshina78 April 5 2013 20: 38 New
            10
            Stalin Joe called Churchill in private conversations. In the case of recognition of sovereignty over this group of islands, Japan gains open access to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, in accordance with an international agreement establishing the territorial, fishing and international borders of the territories of states, which means that all ships and ships can enter the Sea of ​​Okhotsk using permission that will give these ships are Japan .And American warships too. Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is our inland sea. Like this .
            1. mamba
              mamba April 5 2013 23: 52 New
              -1
              Quote: starshina78
              Now the Sea of ​​Okhotsk is our inland sea.

              This is not true. Here's what the wiki writes about this:
              The Sea of ​​Okhotsk, although it is surrounded on almost all sides by the territory of the Russian Federation, is not its inland sea; its waters are composed of inland sea waters, the territorial sea and the exclusive economic zone. In the central part of the sea there is a stretch in the meridional direction, traditionally referred to as Peanut Hole in English literature, which is not part of the exclusive economic zone of Russia and is legally an open sea; in particular, any country in the world has the right here to fish and carry out other activities permitted by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. Since this region is an important element for the reproduction of the population of some species of commercial fish, some governments explicitly prohibit their vessels from fishing in this section of the sea.
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 5 2013 22: 12 New
          +2
          Uncle Joe was called Stalin.


          And here another Enkle Joe came to my mind.
          Here for comparison -


          Stalin


          Кстати, ратные люди, бывшие и те, которые в строю. Кто сможет так отдать честь, как этот "заслуженный кловун америки"

          Bush
    2. Sokol57
      Sokol57 April 5 2013 15: 34 New
      10
      There is no better comment for this article!
      Short and clear and there is nothing to rant here.
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 16: 54 New
        +9
        With the fact that the Yap atrocities in Primorye at the beginning of the last century, they generally only about. It was necessary to leave Takara. am
        1. does it
          does it April 5 2013 22: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Ghen75
          With the fact that the Yap atrocities in Primorye at the beginning of the last century, they generally only about. Takara should have been left

          for this they were called macaques ......
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 5 2013 15: 36 New
      +6
      Quote: dmitreach
      brevity is politically motivated.

      Good dem.
      Life affirming.
      Цитата:"пограничное размежевание должно быть одобрено общественностью".
      The public opinion on the demotivator.
    4. beech
      beech April 5 2013 22: 10 New
      0
      I don’t understand what the problem is telling them firmly that no smokers shine for you. Mr. Japanese, you leaked the war, so it was time to say goodbye forever to your northern territories, but it’s painful to get insolent there, you still have mb island wring out?
      1. Akhtuba73
        Akhtuba73 April 5 2013 22: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: beech
        what's the problem tell them firmly

        Duc, because they spoke cross-eyed, do not understand, they taldychut. They said again, and they nodded in Bosko and again for the old ... just like my cat, he explained to him for half a day that the neighbor had broken the can opener on March 8, there was nothing to eat except for the dry-eater, no, the infection was yelling ... or rather he was yelling .. He walked him down the stairs. So the Pendal Japs need to be careful.
        1. mamba
          mamba April 6 2013 00: 08 New
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          Quote: Akhtuba73
          Duc, because they spoke cross-eyed, do not understand, they taldychut. They said again, and they nodded Bosko and again for the old ...

          They believe that water sharpens a stone. Moreover, both the USSR and the Russian Federation from time to time surrendered parts of their territory. So why not persistent Yapes do their job? And the thing is that they do not take into account the movements of the Russian soul. wink
          For the sake of friendship, we will give the last shirt away, not like the islands. And Yapis are proud to the ugliness, they don’t want to be friends with us. request
          When we were weak, we almost gave them these islands. And they could give not only these. Yap only needed to pay whoever needed and more. For example, the one who stopped the Chechen war. But here, too, the yapes laughed: either pride failed, or greed. laughing
          And now their boring trend, and even with transparent hints of the possibility of a forceful resolution of the problem, does not cause our leadership any other feelings than irritation. angry Therefore, we drove and forgot! laughing
          1. Akhtuba73
            Akhtuba73 April 7 2013 23: 18 New
            0
            Good evening, Sergey!
            For all these ingenious gestures, time has passed. And it was short-lived (trouble of the 90s). Now is it really not clear that the position of the Russian Federation is firmer than then? Cho head dull pound on a stone? Only here we need to stuff the corns on the fingers with the clave once again ... Thanks for the illustrated comment hi
    5. taxis
      taxis April 6 2013 01: 18 New
      -6
      True Kuril Islands, is it Russia? and you ask the locals ... and they are there ?! why ask ... because they are not there ... and why do we need the Kuril Islands, to confirm sovereignty ... well, yes, pieces of land far from the capital, is Russia ...? if only the missiles did not fly, and survive the rest ...
    6. Civil
      Civil April 6 2013 01: 36 New
      +2
      I do not know any territorial problems with Japan
      1. Cynic
        Cynic April 6 2013 18: 02 New
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        Quote: Civil
        I do not know any territorial problems with Japan

        Uh-huh.
        They have territorial problems with us, and in the light of the latest reports of leaks at Fukushima, baaaa-alshie problems have already begun with their territory!
  2. fduch
    fduch April 5 2013 15: 24 New
    +9
    Children learn Russian - it’s good, soon there will be a Japanese region in Russia laughing
    1. ziqzaq
      ziqzaq April 5 2013 16: 15 New
      +9
      Quote: fduch

      Children learn Russian - it’s good, soon there will be a Japanese region in Russia

      Japan has been a closed country for a very long time and as a result is very backward ...
      Russian settlements were on Iturup Island back when the Yapis did not know that Hokkaido Island exist .....
      Here is an ancient compass of the Japanese:
      На борту любой лодки всегда имелись японские желтые кошки(без хвоста), а в команде была должность "самый счастливый моряк". Ходили япы только в прямой видимости берега, но иногда опускался туман и соответственно вставал вопрос: "А куда собственно держать курс?". В таких случаях после определенного ритуала выбрасывали желтую кошку за борт и "самый счастливый моряк" вытягивал из кубышки символ обозначающий нужный курс судна(наверное относительно ветра или волны?). Туда и шли....
      Straight sportloto Japanese .....
      1. Alexei
        Alexei April 5 2013 17: 25 New
        +6
        Quote: ziqzaq
        "самый счастливый моряк" вытягивал из кубышки символ обозначающий нужный курс судна

        А если нужный курс оказывался ненужным то "самый счастливый моряк" преврвщался в самого несчастного моряка. laughing
        1. ziqzaq
          ziqzaq April 5 2013 17: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Alexej
          turned into the most miserable sailor

          He asked a noble man to kill himself, and it was an honor: to die by the war ........
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger April 5 2013 22: 25 New
          0
          А если нужный курс оказывался ненужным то "самый счастливый моряк" превращался . . .


          С произнесением заклинания - "моряк превращается, . . . моряк превращается, превращается моряк. . . в самого элегантного баклана" и . . . взмахнув крылами, отправлялся на берег по воздуху.
          Видимо за другим "жёлтым компасом" . . ., более точным. bully
  3. evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 5 2013 15: 26 New
    +9
    And to hell with these emo samurai, not the island!
    1. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 April 5 2013 18: 35 New
      +1
      "в пользу Японии, всех южных Курильских островов, и заключить мирный договор с Россией."

      What's this? Wanted to annex? Probably with the full and hot support of the local population (as once the Sudetenland)? Do you want a bald man all over your turnip? It is time for the samurai to recall Port Arthur and the heroic disgrace called the Kwantung Army angry.
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 15: 26 New
    +6
    The article, so-so, is a simple listing of old, long-known facts.
  5. WIN969
    WIN969 April 5 2013 15: 28 New
    +7
    As long as we have all kinds of NPOs in Russia, there is no guarantee that the islands will remain with us, because this is necessary primarily not for Japan, but for the Yankees who continue their dirty work on the collapse of Russia. The whole Russian people, and not just the government, need to drive these organizations, because it is in our interests to preserve the integrity of our HOMELAND!
  6. omsbon
    omsbon April 5 2013 15: 29 New
    15
    I consider it necessary to celebrate widely "День победы над Японией", to cover in mass media and launch missiles (holiday) from our islands.
    1. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr April 5 2013 16: 51 New
      +3
      Yeltsin did not want to celebrate Victory Day over Japan so as not to offend his friend from Japan. And the GDP, as a consistent successor and inspirer of the EBN ideas, somehow put things in a mess. The family will not approve ...
  7. honest jew
    honest jew April 5 2013 15: 35 New
    25
    And whether to suck Japanese samurai Russian candy !!!!
    1. mamba
      mamba April 6 2013 00: 16 New
      +1
      Those. Japan reserves the right to acquire new territories as military trophies, but does not want to recognize such a right for the Russian Federation?
  8. sichevik
    sichevik April 5 2013 15: 41 New
    10
    Do they need anything else? Well, maybe to the Kuril Islands they also give the floor of Siberia with the Urals in addition. And at the same time, the Germans are the Kaliningrad region, and the Poles Smolensk, and the Finns Petrozavodsk with Karelia, amers Chukotka with Yakutia, the Swedes Kemsk parish, and the Turks Azov fortress?
    These descendants of the samurai (and my son for some reason calls them dolphin-eaters) would not have gone anywhere far away. Well, at least to Japanese ...
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 April 5 2013 16: 08 New
      11
      Много споров и сотрясение воздуха. Японцы где ваши самураи-в прошлом! у японцев только 'эмо-томагочи. Не подписан мирный договор, а с амерами подписан!? Так может бахнем по Токио
      Quote: sichevik
      and the Poles Smolenskaya

      the Poles are tortured to take it, I’m telling you like a Smolyan drinks
      1. DAEDALUS
        DAEDALUS April 5 2013 19: 09 New
        +4
        Although I am half Smolensk, I am very glad to meet a fellow countryman! drinks
        the Poles are tortured to take it, I’m telling you like a Smolyan drinks

        I agree, we won’t be so easy! soldier
        1. sichevik
          sichevik April 5 2013 19: 55 New
          +2
          Guys!!! Yes, even Smolensk, even Kaluga, even Vladivostok. Our land, watered with the blood of our grandfathers, will not be given to anyone. We will tear everyone .. And we will tear everyone, Let them not doubt.
  9. Ostanin
    Ostanin April 5 2013 15: 43 New
    +5
    "Песня та же, поёт она же" (с). О каком выводе ядерного оружия из состояния готовности может идти речь, если наши соседи что Япония, что Китаю мечтают о возврате "своих" северных территорий. Чуть дать слабину и полезут со всех щелей как тараканы. Не мытьем, так катаньем - упрямые какие они всё же. насмешило, что не исключают возможность силового решения вопроса - наверное своих анимэ насмотрелись про супер героев.
  10. predator.3
    predator.3 April 5 2013 15: 47 New
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    ... cast-iron version ...!
  11. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov April 5 2013 15: 48 New
    +6
    You should not even discuss this problem .... What is ours is ours ... !!! And negotiations with someone else on this topic should be considered treason to the Motherland .....
  12. shurup
    shurup April 5 2013 16: 07 New
    +4
    In place of Japanese politicians, they should be kept quiet in a rag. Russia has more trump cards in this dispute, which the boa constrictor can apply at any time.
    A complete reorientation of export-import from Japan to China will finally put Japan's economy, if not in oak, then in a long box.
    Позиция России по вопросу спорных островов Сенкаку может не ограничиться нейтралитетом, а руководствоваться "Российскими национальными интересами".
    All of the above will not work until corruption and simple criminality rule the ball, and not only in this region.
  13. awerkiev
    awerkiev April 5 2013 16: 11 New
    +3
    Dreams Dreams, where are you going ?! No need for the Japanese to live in the past ... Everything, they don’t have these islands and let them forget about them!
  14. kush62
    kush62 April 5 2013 16: 11 New
    +2
    Yes, let them blather. The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
  15. krasin
    krasin April 5 2013 16: 23 New
    +3
    All + for patriotism, for the love of the motherland!
  16. slavik_gross
    slavik_gross April 5 2013 16: 25 New
    0
    Do not span the Russian land to foreigners ...
  17. bddrus
    bddrus April 5 2013 16: 27 New
    0
    how would they respond at the official level so as to dispel their hopes? how much can you get? this water wears away a stone, but then it can fly into the forehead
    1. eretik
      eretik April 5 2013 16: 51 New
      13
      It is necessary to build a monument in Kunashir towards Yapi

      The answer is at the official level.
      1. predator.3
        predator.3 April 5 2013 19: 45 New
        +5
        sorry for the picture!
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 April 5 2013 19: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: predator.3
          sorry for the picture!

          Everything is fine, that's it they will smoke. laughing
    2. AleksUkr
      AleksUkr April 5 2013 16: 58 New
      0
      Given the toothlessness of our Foreign Ministry, the benevolent attitude of our political leadership - Gorbachev, Shevarnadze, Putin, Medvedev, again Putin - towards our probable opponents and the desire to appease them - the future of our territories may not be so rosy ... There are always those who want to get a piece of Russia .
  18. Humpty
    Humpty April 5 2013 16: 34 New
    +4
    The Kuril ambitions of the Japanese do not deserve attention at all. You never know what they want. Their war criminals were hidden from trial, with rare exceptions. They apologize to no one for their meanness. There is nothing to talk about with them at all.
  19. optimist
    optimist April 5 2013 16: 34 New
    0
    He served there in the South Kuril border detachment in 87-89th. The mess began with a hunchback: the Japanese schooners x .. fell on us, thanks to him. Now everything will depend on the position of Russia: if it is very hardy, ours can hand over the Kuril Islands to Yapam. Look, in the mid-90s EBN wanted to do this, but the people got scared ...
    1. MVS
      MVS April 5 2013 17: 50 New
      0
      Quote: optimist
      Look, in the mid-90s EBN wanted to do this, but the people got scared ...

      А есть еще и другая версия - японцы захотели еще больше, а пока ЕБН "думал", его из Кремля поперли. Что из этого правда - остается только догадываться.
  20. urich
    urich April 5 2013 16: 40 New
    +3
    photo is cool! Give the development of tourism in the Kuril Islands!
    I looked at the temperature map on Iturup
    The average daily temperature according to NASA [9]
    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
    −2,0 ° C −3,7 ° C −2,3 ° C 1,4 ° C 4,2 ° C 7,7 ° C 11,2 13,6 12,8 10,0 5,2 0,5
    beauty
  21. Odysseus
    Odysseus April 5 2013 16: 45 New
    +2
    All that is written in the comments, of course, is correct. But these are all words. And things are needed. But this is worse.
    Now both the Pacific Fleet and the aviation group in the Far East are in very poor condition.
    Sharp gain is needed.
  22. Konstantm
    Konstantm April 5 2013 16: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: honest Jew
    And whether to suck Japanese samurai Russian candy !!!!

    In extreme cases, a dead Japanese monkey.
  23. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 5 2013 16: 46 New
    +2
    Yes, how much is possible with these islands! It is said that we will not give back that they will not calm down then?
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 5 2013 17: 52 New
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek

      Yes, how much is possible with these islands! It is said that we will not give back that they will not calm down then?

      They will not calm down until they get rid of the American occupation, although the fact of the American occupation of Japan is a positive factor for Russia. American anti-submarine ships need to go to the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, which is also called the Nuclear Bastion of Russia, this makes sense to fuss with the islands.
    2. MVS
      MVS April 5 2013 17: 53 New
      +1
      Quote: Ragnarek
      Yes, how much is possible with these islands! It is said that we will not give back that they will not calm down then?

      They will calm down only when the Russian Federation gives them a pair of tactical nuclear missiles. With delivery on their own.
  24. wax
    wax April 5 2013 17: 24 New
    +1
    Khrushchev created the problem by agreeing to discuss. Barin after the laborer.
  25. pechv
    pechv April 5 2013 17: 54 New
    +1
    It's time to move on to more figurative explanations. What dead donkey ears are over?
  26. wulf66
    wulf66 April 5 2013 17: 56 New
    +2
    Any attempt to agree, the Japs perceive, clearly, as a weakness. It’s not worthwhile to negotiate with them, just said and silently do our part. And it’s worth fumbling them with economic sanctions, to conduct a drill together with the Chinese Navy somewhere nearby, much less the Japs and the People's Republic of China are also yapping because of some (sorry I do not remember the name) islands.
    1. MVS
      MVS April 5 2013 17: 58 New
      0
      Quote: wulf66
      all the more so, Japs and yapping in China are also yapping because of some (sorry I don’t remember the name) islands.

      Senkaku (Diaoyu)
  27. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 5 2013 18: 04 New
    +1
    Why do we need a peace treaty with an occupied country?
    Let the occupation troops first introduce, then we will talk.
    And until that moment - a moratorium on any negotiations! Excluding trade deals.
  28. Clueless
    Clueless April 5 2013 18: 12 New
    -1
    I always like the statements of Japan from the side of the force ... we somehow do not have the 40th year, a couple of tactical nuclear weapons and they will live in the Stone Age, it costs them to think about the power
  29. Prinse
    Prinse April 5 2013 18: 17 New
    +1
    Yes, they are jokers after all. They will agree, and even more so in that tone, they will lose the rest yes The weight category is not the one to put forward our requirements to us
  30. old rocket man
    old rocket man April 5 2013 18: 22 New
    +5
    To prohibit the Japanese from fishing in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk and in the economic zone along the shores of the Kuril Ridge and Kamchatka, poachers or drown, or confiscate the ships explaining the absence of a peace treaty and the fear for the safety of our citizens laughing от "нападения" японских рыбаков
    More rigidity in a relationship will only benefit these relationships.
    1. Raphael_83
      Raphael_83 April 5 2013 18: 42 New
      +1
      And all those arriving / arriving / entering into territorial waters should be slowed down / locked up in quarantine, surrounded by egoza (and preferably under current) in order to assess the degree of radio hazard for the Russian ecology and civilian population.
  31. andrei332809
    andrei332809 April 5 2013 18: 37 New
    +1
    "ну грешно смеяться над убогими."
    из к/ф "формула любви"
  32. Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 5 2013 18: 45 New
    0
    Let at least a million years not sign a peace treaty
  33. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 5 2013 19: 05 New
    0
    It’s time for us to start making territorial claims. Start from Alaska, and then we'll see. Japan will shut up immediately if Russia says about its lands, in particular, Hokaido.
  34. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 5 2013 19: 08 New
    +2
    To reduce ambitions, it is necessary to restore order in the exercise of Russia's sovereign rights in the exclusive economic zone in the Far East.
    Including, and with the Russian associations of seafood producers, to whom yen, yuan, won and dolars are more expensive than patriotism.
  35. Genady1976
    Genady1976 April 5 2013 19: 42 New
    0
    To each Japs by air liver
  36. Conepatus
    Conepatus April 5 2013 20: 01 New
    +1
    I can be mistaken, but Japan should have a huge sum of money for Russia. The story begins in World War I. Russia bought weapons from America through Japan. When the revolution took place in Japan, Japan just received a huge amount of money for the purchase of this weapon, but according to the ancient samurai tradition, this money was simply kept at home. And now, they have the audacity to demand the islands too.
    And forum users say that the most greedy and cunning are Ukrainians. Where do we get to the Japs. smile
    1. mamba
      mamba April 6 2013 00: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: Conepatus
      Russia, through Japan, bought weapons from America. When the revolution took place in Japan, Japan just received a huge amount of money for the purchase of this very weapon, but according to the ancient samurai tradition, this money simply remained at home.

      You can remind them of Kolchak's gold, demand compensation for the genocide that they committed during the Civil War.
  37. Karabin
    Karabin April 5 2013 20: 24 New
    0
    Moscow believes that Russia's sovereignty over the Kuril Islands is absolutely legitimate and not in doubt.

    Then why?

    Russia is also showing its readiness to seek a mutually acceptable way out of the situation with the disputed Kuril Islands.

    ... Russia's proposals to create a joint commission of historians to find a compromise on the problem of the Kuril Islands.

    This ambiguity gives the Yapis hope. And if we recall the territorial concessions of Norway to the current leadership, the Japanese have chances.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 5 2013 20: 39 New
      0
      Under Yeltsin, like China, they also lost something
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 6 2013 07: 38 New
      +1
      ... Russia's proposals to create a joint commission of historians to find a compromise on the problem of the Kuril Islands.


      А вот тут возникает "наш ответ чемберлену". Конкретно, есть возможность выкатить иппонам такую нехилую предъяву, что они будут разгребать лет 50, не меньше. Объясню.
      Territorial disagreements are resolved by (including) studying the history of the settlement of peoples of any land. But on the northern islands from ancient times the AINS people live, who do not consider themselves Japanese.
      Once the Ainu also lived on the territory of Russia in the lower reaches of the Amur, in Kamchatka, Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands. At present, the Ainu remained only in Japan. There are about 30000 of them: about 25000 live in Hokkaido, the rest - in other parts of Japan, mainly in Tokyo.

      In Japan, work has been done that allows us to hope that genetics are able to solve the question of who are the ancestors of the Japanese. Along with the Japanese living in the central islands of Honshu, Shikoku and Kyushu, anthropologists distinguish two more modern ethnic groups: Ainu from Hokkaido in the north and Ryukyu people living mainly on the southernmost island of 0kinawa.

      А вот и Айну на фотографии от 1904 года. Если бы мне кто-либо показал это фото и сказал, что это "коренные японцы", я бы рассмеялся, ведь на фото какие-то тобольские старообрядцы в татарских халатах:

      Ainu


      The position of the Ainu language in the genealogical classification of languages ​​is still not established. In this regard, the situation in linguistics is similar to the situation in anthropology. The Ainu language is radically different from Japanese, Nivkh, Itelmen, Chinese, as well as other languages ​​of the Far East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Ocean. At present, the Ainu have completely switched to Japanese, and Ainu can almost be considered dead. The Ainu language is considered isolated, although attempts have been made to bring it closer to many families of Eurasia. The letter uses either katakana or the Latin alphabet.
      Europeans, faced with the Ainu in the XVII century, were struck by their appearance. Unlike the usual kind of people of the Mongoloid race with yellow skin, a Mongolian fold of the eyelid, sparse facial hair, Ainu had unusually thick hair covering their heads, wore huge beards and mustaches (holding special sticks while eating), their facial features were similar to European.
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger April 6 2013 07: 51 New
        +1
        Вот исходя из этого, неплохо бы, конечно "по указке сверху" развернуть в СМИ такую муть по поводу поднятия "духа независимости" айнов на примере республик бывшего РСФСР в 90-х годах прошлого века, что у руководства япов останется только вопрос о сохранении существующей целостности Японии как единого государства, и надолго пропадёт желание "претендовать" на "новые" территории.
        А уж как СМИ умеют "доказывать", мы знаем.

        In fact, you can find a lot of information about Ainu, but I’ll send those interested here here -
        http://roouh.livejournal.com/26305.html
        1. Nayhas
          Nayhas April 7 2013 07: 35 New
          0
          Ерунда всё это. Начинать нужно с того, что СССР не является преемником Российской империи, соответственно все международные договоры заключенные до образования СССР не имеют никакой юридической силы. Поэтому всё должно отталкиваться от "Пекинского договора от 1925г." по которому определены границы государств. После окончания войны страны должны были определиться с границами и подписать мирный договор, как это было с Германией, но если по Южному Сахалину у японцев вопросов не возникло, то по Курильским островам возникли противоречия. Думаю в 1945г. этот вопрос можно было бы легко решить, но создаётся впечатление, что его умышленно затянули оставив страны фактически в состоянии перемирия, которое легко можно было бы нарушить не вызывая в мировом обществе никаких протестов...
  38. stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker April 5 2013 20: 43 New
    +8
    If you put aside emotions, then:
    1. The boundaries established in 1945 at the Potsdam Conference are IMPOSSIBLE. And revise not subject to.!
    2. Пора перенимать опыт джапов и поляков - у последних уже несколько лет работает телеканал "История", где упор делается на "славные времена" польской истории времён Ю.Пилсудского. Но главная тема - начало 80-х прошлого века - вот где "куётся" анти-российская тема подрастающего поколения. И так день за днём, день за днём...
    Канал "Звезда" имеет патриотическую направленность.
    А надо "катать" ежедневно документалку и серьёзные исследования о Катыни, о судьбе пленных красноармейцев в "крэсах всходних", о реальной ситуации в Прибалтике в 1939-1940 годах....
    Есть благодатные темы, которые следует не"держать на полках", а вести beautiful and honest propaganda.
    hi
  39. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 20: 57 New
    0
    Надо " потерять " на островах несколько контейнеров с "Клаб", ну и "Мистрали " скоро будут. yes
  40. sokoloff4791
    sokoloff4791 April 5 2013 21: 42 New
    0
    cool))))))))))))) wink
  41. suharev-52
    suharev-52 April 5 2013 21: 46 New
    0
    Смотрю вот я и удивляюсь. Как только за окном начинает подтаивать и с крыши начнётся капель, так почему то всплывает "проблема" северных территорий. Это что - весеннее обострение у форумчан и японцев? Данный вопрос давно закрыт. С уважением.
    1. mamba
      mamba April 6 2013 00: 33 New
      0
      Quote: suharev-52
      Как только за окном начинает подтаивать и с крыши начнётся капель, так почему то всплывает "проблема" северных территорий. Это что - весеннее обострение у форумчан и японцев?

      Melt water, it is also living water, greatly increases the tone of the body. And therefore, in spring, birds fly north to melt water, and the Japanese look after them together and mumble, more and more, about the northern territories. laughing
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger April 6 2013 08: 01 New
      +1
      Is this a spring aggravation among forum users and Japanese?


      This is the beginning of the allocation of quotas for fishing and seafood in that region. What is valuable, and most importantly, a RENEWABLE resource.
      Иппонам не особенно и нужны несколько "камней" в океане. Гипотетически, в мечтах, при получении этих островов вместе с ними отходят и огромные морские площади с дальнейшими перспективами их освоения.
  42. Kair501
    Kair501 April 5 2013 21: 56 New
    +2
    I’ve written more than once on this site and no one will give the Kuril Islands so many programs and projects are being implemented there and the military is being reequipped and generally raise the living standards of the house roads airports ports factories fish farms, it’s a pity you can’t write everything I think about they’ll banned it))) but the Japs won’t get the horseradish and wash themselves (I’ve been living there from Iturup Island all my life now, I’ve been studying there) while the Russian Federation has nuclear weapons, the Japanese have nothing to scamper about, they are afraid of it like fire
  43. does it
    does it April 5 2013 22: 36 New
    0
    people should be settled in the Kuril Islands, and the Russian-speaking the more the better. Then the desire to demand from Russia a Russian Kuril disappears
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 5 2013 23: 57 New
      -1
      And you will offer Ukrainians. A good house with a plot for a garden and a garden. Salary in the 30000 rub. Month. smile
      1. Corsair
        Corsair April 6 2013 05: 09 New
        0
        Quote: Conepatus

        And you will offer Ukrainians. A good house with a plot for a garden and a garden. Salary in the 30000 rub. Month.
        Do you want to depopulate Ukraine, adversary ?! laughing
    2. Genady1976
      Genady1976 April 6 2013 01: 45 New
      0
      And you yourself live there, And if not, then good luck.
      And then mutter what needs to be populated.
    3. stalkerwalker
      stalkerwalker April 6 2013 15: 08 New
      +4
      Quote: kvirit
      people need to be settled in the Kuril Islands


      В начале 90-х, когда один "козёл" с приставкой "yes" захотел поцеловать анус у япАнцев, несколько тысяч лиц "кавказской национальности" по-быстрому оформили прописку на "спорных" территориях...
      laughing
  44. sprut
    sprut April 5 2013 22: 51 New
    +2
    Why does Russia not lay claim to northern Hokkaido? Few people know this, but we appeared there faster than the Japanese. And since the Japanese have their own logic, then we will have our own.
  45. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: sprut
    Why does Russia not lay claim to northern Hokkaido? Few people know this, but we appeared there faster than the Japanese. And since the Japanese have their own logic, then we will have our own.

    The proposal deserves the most careful consideration at the highest level! laughing
  46. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 23: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: sprut
    Why does Russia not lay claim to northern Hokkaido? Few people know this, but we appeared there faster than the Japanese. And since the Japanese have their own logic, then we will have our own.

    The proposal deserves the most careful consideration at the highest level! laughing
  47. Khamsin
    Khamsin April 5 2013 23: 42 New
    0
    Let the Japanese go .... bamboo spud)
  48. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 6 2013 04: 43 New
    0
    In Russia, very many do not understand what the Kuril Islands are for us. Yes, if today we donate these islands to Yap, tomorrow the United States will set up its military base there and even they will not be asked much. This means that we urgently need to find funds for the construction of defensive lines on the coast of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk. So it’s cheaper now to transport supplies to these islands by air and ships.
  49. Tartary
    Tartary April 6 2013 04: 58 New
    +2
    Since the end of World War II, the issue of ownership of the southern Kuril Islands has been the main obstacle to the full settlement of Russian-Japanese relations and the signing of a peace treaty. Tokyo's position is
    The problem of the Kuril Islands did not arise immediately after the end of the Second World War.
    Once, and there was no reason even then for the Japanese to raise something there into the problem.
    Как всегда американские "друзья" создали нынешнюю ситуацию...
    Синдзо Абэ является сторонником упразднения 9-й статьи японской конституции, согласно которой у Японии не может быть собственной армии, а могут быть лишь "силы самообороны". Утверждая, что ему по силам решить существующие территориальные вопросы, Синдзо Абэ намекнул, что готов говорить с позиции силы. Тем более что Япония намерена впервые более чем за 10 лет увеличить свой военный бюджет. Таким образом, в Японии в очередной раз звучит агрессивная риторика.
    Japanese aggression on the Kuril Islands is very possible ...
    So it would be, if there had not been an earthquake (?) And Fukushima ...
    Then the yapes had already reached shelling at the rate of our approaching transport personnel, and a fleet of small amphibious assault forces were ready at their shores.
    So obviously, as Americans, we cannot destroy Japanese cities, but obviously technically we can repeat the tsunami ...
    Вернуться на острова намерены разве что глубокие старики, чтобы их могилы были вместе с могилами предков. И пока живы эти люди, власти активно используют их, ибо понимают, что с течением времени повод "вернуть беженцев на Курилы" просто исчезнет. И это делает надежды Токио на включение островов в свои границы несбыточными.
    Hopes have long been unrealizable, because there can be no graves of Japanese ancestors on the islands, except for victims on both sides in the battles for the islands in 1945, and missing hunters from Hokkaido ... There are more bones of Ainu and their ancestors who were Europeans on the Kuril Islands and Hokkaido, which the Japanese destroyed by genocide ...
    So horseradish with butter to Japan’s mother next door - let them answer us for the Ainu brothers, then for Aurora, then for civilian victims, in August 45th, let the king-eyed gold be returned - to complete the picture of the debt, let it begin -so repent for the deeds of their ancestors, and only then you can talk about joint activities under the supervision of the Russian Armed Forces ...
    And so .......................... went to the stump, cunning!
  50. Corsair
    Corsair April 6 2013 05: 06 New
    0
    Quote: dmitreach
    brevity is politically motivated. (ladies forgive me, for tactlessness)
    Brevity is the soul of wit ... wink I agree with the author of the comment on all 100!