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Poland, Volyn Massacre and European Dreams of Ukraine

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The extermination of the Polish population of the “Cres-voskhodnykh”, known as the Volyn Massacre of 1943-1944, is not a passing topic of Polish consciousness. The brutal murder of Bandera almost hundreds of thousands (according to some sources - up to 150 000) Polish women, children and the elderly can not be forgotten. Official Kiev, fearing to scare away the Western Ukrainian electorate, is extremely reluctant to deal with this topic. The Ukrainian authorities can still lay wreaths on the graves of the murdered Poles in the name of a speedy "European integration", but they are not ready to completely abandon the Neanderís motives in their ideology ...


Ukrainian nationalists want to get to Europe at least through Poland, but as soon as Poland remembers the victims of the Volyn massacre, Ukrainian national patriots fall upon it with aggressive attacks.

“Ukrainian question” for Poland is always relevant. On the one hand, Warsaw is interested in Ukraine as a “buffer” separating Poland from Russia. Theoretically, the more Russophobia in Ukraine, the better for Poland. On the other hand, Ukrainian Russophobia is often intertwined with Ukrainian polonophobia in a tight knot, and both phobias form the moral character of Ukrainian nationalism.

During the existence of sovereign Ukraine, initiatives on Polish-Ukrainian reconciliation have been launched more than once: joint conferences were held, assurances of friendship sounded and ... there was a search for a third to which one could turn the blame for the bloody events in Volyn. Looking for a short time: it was decided to announce the culprit of the Soviet special services, which, they say, and inflamed the Polish-Ukrainian contradictions. This version was especially popular in 1990: when the USSR collapsed, they dreamed of a “European future” in Kiev, and Warsaw supported the anti-Soviet and anti-Russian tendencies in Ukraine with all its might.

In the framework of cooperation between the World Union of Soldiers of the Home Army and the Union of Ukrainians in Poland, seminars were held, where the creation by the Soviet secret services in the ranks of the UPA agent network was discussed. A lot was said that allegedly Soviet soldiers under the guise of UPA fighters attacked Polish villages, and the Soviet command formed several mixed Polish-Ukrainian partisan units hostile to the OUN-UPA. They say that these units organized repressions against the Ukrainian population, provoking Polish-Ukrainian bitterness (1).

The historian and specialist in Polish-Ukrainian relations Grzegorz Gritsuk (Wroclaw University) rejects such insinuations, as Grzegorz Motyka, a member of the board of the Polish Institute of People's Memory. Mr. Motyka states that the hypothesis of “Soviet provocation”, actively promoted by some Ukrainian authors, does not have the slightest documentary evidence (2). According to G. Motyki, the massacre of the Poles in Volyn is not a spontaneous demonstration of the Ukrainian nationalists, but a cold-bloodedly planned Bandera action (3).

One of the most famous Polish-Ukrainian historians, Viktor Polishchuk, who devoted his whole life to the study of the nature of Ukrainian nationalism, wrote that after the defeat of the West Ukrainian People’s Republic in the war with Poland, the officers of the Ukrainian Galician Army in the mass emigrated to the West, primarily in Germany, where the "brown" mood at that time covered the general population. The angry and disappointed Galicians experienced the same psychological complexes as the Germans after the Versailles Peace. Their “union of hearts” was predetermined (as was shown by the events of the Great Patriotic War, when Ukrainian nationalists served the Third Reich). Victor Polishchuk characterized calls for Polish-Ukrainian friendship through oblivion of the victims of the Volyn massacre as “Polish-Bandera unity” (4).

There is a rich evidence base testifying to the criminal role of the ideology of Ukrainian nationalism in inciting ethnic hatred not only to the Poles. During the Volyn tragedy, the UPA punishers massacred Jews, Armenians, Czechs, Russians, and their own Ukrainians. “Without overcoming Ukrainian nationalism,” says Victor Polishchuk, “the threat of degeneration will hang over the people of Ukraine.”

Ukrainian independence has always given and will give an ultra-radical Nazi tinge. Isn't it amazing: for 20 and more than the years of the existence of independent Ukraine, not a single Ukrainian president condemned the practice of exalting OUN-UPA veterans ?!

If you try to schematically describe the nature of the Ukrainian state ideology, depicting it as a straight line with two poles on the left (with a minus sign) and on the right (with a plus sign), it will look like this. On the left (the pole with a minus sign) are placed the most radical interpreters of the national Ukrainians with their wild views. Such as Stepan Lenkavsky, the ideologue of the OUN (“Do not be afraid to admit that you are fascists. After all, we are like this!”), With his “Decalogue of the Ukrainian nationalist”, where you can find the following words: “Go unshakably to the most dangerous crime if will require the interests of the cause. You will fight for the strengthening of the power, fame, wealth and expanses of the Ukrainian State, even by enslaving foreigners. ” Such as Dmitry Dontsov, the guru of Ukrainian nationalism ("Be the aggressors and invaders before you can become rulers and owners ... Universal truth does not exist"). Here is the Ukrainian collaboration of the Great Patriotic War (Bandera, Shukhevych, SS division "Galicia").

Closer to the middle are supporters of the national-Ukrainians of a more moderate sense. This is also the terrorist Nikolai Mikhnovsky, who in 1904, blew up a monument to Alexander Pushkin in Kharkov. It is the racist Yuri Lipa with his words: “Physical love for one’s own and physical hatred for someone else in worldview and spirituality is what is characteristic of Ukrainian women, from antiquity and until recently.”

Further, the closer to the pole “plus”, the more nationally Ukrainians become more diplomatically slick, turning into the picture that we see on television - the symbols of Ukrainian statehood, the institution of the presidency, the correct speeches of Ukrainian diplomats and politicians in international forums. However, as an integral phenomenon cannot be divided into components without taking into account the interrelationship of these components, so the official, “diplomatic” Ukrainians cannot be considered in isolation from its ideological basis - the Ukrainian nationalist ideology with its pro-Nazi sympathies.

Adherence to this ideology does not benefit Ukraine, for example, from Belarus. At one time, Poland owned both Western Ukrainian and Western Belarusian lands. In both Ukraine and Belarus, the Polish order was the same, but the results of Polish domination in Ukraine and Belarus are completely different. Belarus did not know such a phenomenon as the OUN-UPA, and even more so the ethnic cleansing of the Polish population, although Belarus is the most “Polish” republic within the USSR and the CIS. By the way, the same argument is given by those Polish historians who resolutely refute the version of the Volyn massacre as a Soviet provocation (if the Soviets wanted to get rid of the Poles and provoked the Polish-Ukrainian confrontation, then why, one wonders, did not provoke the Polish-Belarusian opposition, especially that in Belarus there are hundreds of thousands more Poles than in Ukraine?).

The whole point is that the ideological distance between the “Ukrainian idea” and (neo) Nazi views is extremely small. A strictly “Ukrainian” style of thinking, wherever the bearer of this style lives - in Western Ukraine, in Canada or elsewhere, requires at least a partial justification for collaborationism and the glorification of the OUN-UPA warriors.

The pro-Nazi sympathies of a part of the Ukrainian elite, the glorification of veterans of the Nazi troops (including those of the Volyn Massacre veterans) are for some reason not yet considered an obstacle to European integration. However, for some reason I think that the Polish public has not yet said its last word about this.

1) "Polska-Ukraina: trudne pytania t.5 Materiały V międzynarodowego seminarium history cznego Stosunki polsko-ukraińskie w latach II wojny wiatowej Łuck, 27-29 kwietnia 1999"
2) Grzegorz Motyka o „ludobójczej czystce” na Wołyniu (Myśl Polska, 25.03.2013)
3) Grzegorz Motyka “Od rzezi wołyńskiej do akcji“ Wisła ”. Konflikt polsko-ukraiński 1943 – 1947 »Kraków, 2011.
4) W. Poliszczuk "Kultura" paryska, jako zrodlo zaklamania prawdy history cnro zbrodniach OUN Bandery »
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  1. Russian
    Russian April 5 2013 15: 18
    17
    Russia is always to blame for everything! All of them are striving for the West. They probably forgot how this West gave them to Germany, although the USSR offered help, but England and France all wanted to send Hitler east. Later, France paid for it, sorry to the main initiator, England, Hitler never reached.
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 5 2013 15: 29
      +5
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      Russia is always to blame for everything! All of them are striving for the West. They probably forgot how this West gave them to Germany.

      Oh, pug, it’s strong to know that it barks at an elephant. The yapping of these dwarfs is a catalyst for the greatness of Russia. The more powerful our state is, the more they bark. So that everything is fine, soon it’s not so shut.
  2. biglow
    biglow April 5 2013 15: 19
    +8
    I’m keeping silent for the time being, when they all come back to Natsik and remember the Volyn massacre and still may demand the lost property back. In the Baltic states they arranged restitution and in Western Ukraine this can happen again.
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 5 2013 15: 54
      +9
      Quote: biglow
      they will come back to Natsik and remember the Volyn massacre and

      The Poles never forgot about it. The reciprocal (although how to say, there are still pre-war accounts) massacre by the Home Army was no less tough. Pre-war Galicia as part of Poland in the picture. After the war, only 10 thousand Ukrainians, Rusyns, Lemkos, and Boyks remained in the Nestalinist Zakerzonian part of Galicia. True, not only as a result of the massacre, but also as a result of Operation Vistula.
  3. omsbon
    omsbon April 5 2013 15: 21
    12
    SICK from this "Ukrainian idea", and from the entire Ukrainian elite!
  4. svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 15: 22
    +8
    That's interesting. The Ukrainian leadership magnifies the UPA, which means it takes responsibility for all its actions. The leadership of Poland, knowing this, does Ukraine require an apology, how does it demand them from Russia for Katyn?
    1. krasin
      krasin April 5 2013 16: 58
      0
      the distance between the “Ukrainian idea” and the (neo) Nazi views is extremely small.
      Ukraine with its Natsik hit, with neighbors.! I wonder how this situation will be resolved.? The Poles are not far from Ukraine left in their ambitions.
      They will bite them all their lives, and they will build intrigues. Yanukoich has one way out - laughing outweigh Natsik and he will be weak laughing
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 5 2013 21: 22
        +4
        Quote: krasin
        Yanukoich has one way out - laughing outweigh the Natsik and he will be weak


        The fact that Yanukovych thanks to his talk about rapprochement with Russia became president speaks about the aspirations of the Ukrainian People, all of them are the same politicians. By the year 2000, Brokeback promised every family an apartment
  5. smel
    smel April 5 2013 15: 23
    +6
    History is a very interesting and at the same time slippery science. The same events can be presented and brought under different ideologies in different ways. It is unshakable that the history must be known and not repeated mistakes that have already been made.
    Well, there is only one conclusion. The country needs to get stronger, build muscle (as it was already said in one article today). And do not forget that the power is useful to the clever, and to the foolish - to the detriment. That is, to move science, education, culture, and not just to move the pipe
  6. opkozak
    opkozak April 5 2013 15: 27
    21
    But in fact, you know why such hostility arose. Volynians are 100% Orthodox. The Poles, after Lenin gave Volhynia to Poland as a result of the Soviet-Polish war, began to send "siegemen" (settlers) with priests, who began not only economically, but also religiously to spread rot on the Ukrainian population. In 1943, the Nazis practically lost control of Volhynia and Bolorussia, and many policemen (who actually guarded Ukrainian villages and were 100% Ukrainian) went into the forest. The Poles, having organized the AK and "Khlopski battalions", again began to spread rot on the Ukrainians. And so, then the people simply could not stand it.

    Glory to the Great Stalin for moving the Poles to Poland, and the Ukrainians from Poland to their homeland. Now there are no ethnic misunderstandings!
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 5 2013 17: 25
      -1
      Quote: opkozak
      Glory to the Great Stalin for moving the Poles to Poland, and the Ukrainians from Poland to their homeland.

      Is it Hill or Przemysl - Poland? Oh well. Sumy and Kharkov Galicians - Homeland?
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. April 5 2013 18: 30
      +5
      Quote: opkozak
      resettled the Poles in Poland, and the Ukrainians from Poland

      The farther, the more disgust I feel. Thanks to the near-stupid policy of Bandera and Bandera, the land, preserved for a thousand years by the blood of the ancestors of Chervona of Galician Rus, turned out to be divided between the USSR and Poland. And if Stalin did not touch the Galicians, then the Poles on their part of the Galicians were cut out (by the Army Craiova) or evicted as part of the Vistula operation (ethnically cleansed).

      Well this is how much you need to have a scraped brain in order to call your land Poland and joyfully have fun on this subject, put pluses. Type defenders, type homeland. For the Serpent, they did not even say a word.
  7. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K April 5 2013 15: 30
    18
    Maybe it's time to rename the site? already got it with this Ukraine. Write about wars, history, etc. ABOUT WEAPONS FINALLY! Every day, they vyser about "hostile" Ukraine and how bad they feel without us. I go there every year.
    Stop writing in your ears already!
    There is nothing to comment for a long time, everything is sucked already 100000 times. Pseudo-patriots, are your fingers tired?
    1. svp67
      svp67 April 5 2013 15: 37
      +1
      Quote: Sergey_K
      already got with this Ukraine. Write about wars about history, etc. ABOUT WEAPONS FINALLY!



      No, it’s necessary. You don’t see that some forces are gathering there and oppose this story to us, accusing us of our atrocities ...
      1. alex13-61
        alex13-61 April 5 2013 16: 17
        +1
        There is a radicalization of the Ukrainian population ... and there are less and less "moderates" ... With the further development of events in this direction, it is impossible for Russia to stay away ...
    2. Fastblast
      Fastblast April 5 2013 15: 44
      +8
      +1

      It seems that this kind of topic is created for a specific purpose, for example to incite ...
      1. opkozak
        opkozak April 5 2013 16: 00
        +8
        Do not touch the results of the 2nd World. Not for this, our fathers were dying so that very literate people would share the results of their lives.
        It's like dominoes.
        An example for Russia. The Finns will remember Karelia, the Germans Koenigsberg, I am generally silent about the Chinese.
        Poles, also a stigma in a cannon - after the war Poland all moved 400 km to the west, The truly Polish cities of Breslau (Wroclaw), Holstein (Olsztyn), Kolberg (Kolobrzeg) and many are waiting for their German masters (in Polish these territories are different as newfound lands are not called (zodziskane lands).
        Ukraine - Transcarpathia into three countries (Slovakia, Hungary, Romania). Half of Bukovina and Bessarabia - Romania. Novorosia and Crimea - Russia.
        Belarus - Brest - Ukraine, Belovezhskaya Pushcha - Poland.
        Slovakia is part of Hungary.
        Romania - the whole of Transylvania and Marmaros-Hungary.

        All of these perturbations affect the interests of more than one hundred million people. Better to be silent.
        1. washi
          washi April 5 2013 17: 44
          +6
          Young man, you need to know the story.
          Karelia - Russian territory - donated to the Finns by Alexander 2
          Koenigsberg - Slavic territory - residents took the oath to Catherine 2.
          It was the Moldavian principality. Romania is an artificial entity.
          Belarus - Russian principalities
          Berlin is a Slavic city
          1. opkozak
            opkozak April 5 2013 19: 10
            +1
            Quote: Vasya
            Karelia - Russian territory - donated to the Finns by Alexander 2
            Koenigsberg - Slavic territory - residents took the oath to Catherine 2.
            It was the Moldavian principality. Romania is an artificial entity.
            Belarus - Russian principalities
            Berlin is a Slavic city


            Right. What you say is once again prone to the presence of many forcibly wounded Europe. But, as you know, old wounds can relapse and open up, for example, plebiscites in Scotland and Catalonia, the situation in Belgium, the countries of the former Yugoslavia, the mood in Italy, etc.
            Quote: Polytechnic
            that is, you need to relax and have fun!

            Or strain and organize World War III.
            Do you personally prefer which option?
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 6 2013 00: 40
          -1
          Quote: opkozak
          An example for Russia. Finns will remember Karelia,

          Well, here the controversial issue after the 20 year war, Peter still paid money for this territory, but otherwise, according to the principle, who is stronger than that and slippers. The Americans also say that we have a large territory .............. let them try ...................
      2. Polytechnic
        Polytechnic April 5 2013 16: 45
        +3
        So you need to relax and have fun?
    3. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 6 2013 00: 33
      -1
      Quote: Sergey_K
      Maybe it's time to rename the site? already got it with this Ukraine. Write about wars, history, etc. ABOUT WEAPONS FINALLY! Every day, they vyser about "hostile" Ukraine and how bad they feel without us. I go there every year.
      Stop writing in your ears already!

      that is, you like it better when such articles about Russia are written (Katyn, etc.) and the entire CIS, Europe and the Americans (judging by the flags), sit and bale "bloodthirsty Russia" and really, suck it, every day (just recently our nationalists got And here Obana turns out to have "skeletons in the closet" of the Slavic brothers, not everything is so simple with the Hero of Ukraine Stepan B., it is clear that most likely they avenged the Poles for the lawlessness, but women and children, somehow not like a man. Although such actions may reveal the true essence of the "forest brothers" - it is easier to fight with women (just imagine it was not done in one day, how they went to work).
      So you respected, take a break in anti-Russian articles, and speak out on the topic, arguably, especially judging by the driver you have not yet managed to comment and suck 100000.
    4. georg737577
      georg737577 April 6 2013 01: 28
      +1
      Sergey_K, I give you a fat plus, it's nice to hear a reasonable voice of a normal person who adequately perceives the realities of a person!
  8. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 15: 33
    -2
    On such "yeast" (nat. Idea) ukrov "roof" will never be in order, that's "where the dog rummaged." fool
    1. sichevik
      sichevik April 5 2013 15: 49
      +6
      Not ukrov, dear, but Ukrainians. Be politically correct. I am Ukrainian by nationality. And it’s unpleasant for me to say so much about my nation.
      Sincerely.
      1. Hius-124
        Hius-124 April 5 2013 17: 15
        0
        Yes, yes, first politically correct, then tolerant, then tolerant - we will allow gay parades, all kinds of marriages ..... Well, excuse the lads ..... Although I don't see anything offensive in "ukrah", as well as in "yakh" actually. hi
      2. washi
        washi April 5 2013 17: 47
        +2
        Back in the 19th century there was no such nationality. All artificially created nationalities I do not accept
        1. sichevik
          sichevik April 7 2013 17: 17
          -1
          Before Peter there was no such country as the Russian Empire. And there was Muscovy - the Moscow Kingdom. The word Russia was introduced by Peter. The Ukrainians were before Ivan the Terrible, before Peter, exists now and will exist. Like it or not, this people has the right to exist just like the Russians, Mari, Chuvashs, Udmurts, Mordovians, Vepsians and other peoples inhabiting the Russian Federation.
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 8 2013 11: 51
            0
            Quote: sichevik
            Before Peter there was no such country as the Russian Empire. And there was Muscovy - the Moscow Kingdom. The word Russia was introduced by Peter.


            The concept of Russia appeared along with the baptism of Russia, the Greeks could not write Russia, and therefore in their reports they wrote in the Greek Russia (Russia-Russ can be checked in the Greek dictionary) and this concept applied to the territory that was then called Kievan Rus, Novgorod Rus, etc. that's why I say that Ukrainians are more Russian than many who consider themselves Russian.
            And here is what encyclopedia says.

            Ukrainians (Ukrainian. Ukrainians) - the East Slavic people. They live mainly in Ukraine. Among the Slavic peoples is the third largest after the Russians and Poles.
            Ukrainians are also called citizens of Ukraine, when they do not mean the ethnic context, but the context of citizenship.

            In the medieval documents of Kievan Rus, the ethnonym “Rus” was used as an ethnonym for the Eastern Slavs - ancestors of Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians, which, in turn, according to one of the hypotheses, is of Varangian origin [50]; for a single representative of an ethnos - “Rusyns”. For the first time he is found in the Tale of Bygone Years in the section of contracts between Oleg and the Greeks 911 (mentioned 7 times) and Igor 945 (mentioned 6 times). In the list (copies) of “Words about Igor's Campaign” (published in 1800) there is also a poetic ethnonym “Rusichi”.
            The ethnonym "Rusyns" is found later, in the XIII — XVIII centuries. [51] in Lithuanian and Polish documents naming residents of Old Russian principalities. Also, the ethnonym Rusyns was present in ancient Russian documents. The earliest example of the use of the ethnonym in the plural was noted in 1501 in the charter of the Belz Voivodeship (Volyn) [52]. The frequently encountered name of the inhabitants of Russia, which had signs of an ethnonym, in its medieval sources is “Russian people”, “Russian people”. In the Middle Ages, especially actively in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries, on the territory of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the Zaporizhzhya Army, the ethnonym “Ruski” was applied to the language, religion, and nationality of people living in these territories.
            The most recent use of the ethnonym “Rusyns” in the sources of the Hetmanate is found in 1728 in the drama “Grace of God”, staged in Kiev on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Khmelnytsky region and in honor of Danil the Apostle's assumption of hetman. Back in the 50s of the XIX century, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used here by the Kobzars. The thought written down from the kobzar Andrei Shut from the Chernihiv region says: “Well then, there’s a hetman Khmelnitsky, a Rusyn in us.” Thus, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used in eastern Ukraine among commoners, where book and official innovations were not immediately accepted, much longer than mentioned (1728).
            In relation to the Ukrainians of the western region (Transcarpathia, Bukovina, Galicia), which was part of Austria-Hungary, also the inhabitants of Volyn and Kholmshchiny of the Russian Empire called themselves "Ruska", or "Rusyns". They were also called by the Poles [53], the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used until the middle of the 54th century [XNUMX]. Part of the Ukrainians living in Transcarpathia and in the eastern regions of Slovakia - Lemkovschina, and the Rusyns of Vojvodina and Pannonia, to a lesser extent - in Hungary and Romania, the self-name "Rusyns" is still used today, while part of this ethnic group of people insists on their identity to a nation different from the Ukrainians - Rusyns (Lemki)

            The ethnonym Ukrainian is associated with the name of Ukraine, etymologically meaning (from the old Russian Ukraine) “borderland”, “marginal land”. Until the XNUMXth century, this concept and the “Ukrainians” derivative of it had no ethnic significance in Russia and was applied to the border lands and people who lived on them or who served them
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 8 2013 12: 16
              0
              Quote: alexandr00070
              The Ukrainians were before Ivan the Terrible, before Peter, exists now and will exist.



              Ukrainians did not exist under Peter 1
              In the early period of its functioning (from the middle of the XIV to the middle of the XV century), the business language of the office of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania - the West Russian written language - uses the word "Ukraine" to designate the borderland [60] [61]. The surviving books of the Chancellery of the Grand Dukes of Lithuania call the outskirts of the border with Steppe “Ukrainians”, and the locals - “Ukrainians”, or “Ukrainian people” [62]. At that time, the concept of "Ukraine" could spread to the south of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania as a whole. In a letter from 1500 to the Crimean Khan Mengli-Gereu, the Grand Duke of Lithuania calls Kiev, Volyn and Podolsky lands “our Ukraine” [63], in the privilege of 1539 for the construction of a castle in Kiev Polesie (far from the borders with the Wild Field), he is motivated the use of such castles "in Ukraine" [64].

              During the XVII century, in the writings of a number of South Russian spiritual leaders, such as John Vishensky, Job Boretsky, Zakharia Kopystensky or Innokenty Gisel, the use of the term Little Russia or Little Russia, dating back to the earlier Byzantine tradition to distinguish between Little and Great Russia, became characteristic [67]. In the letters and orders of Peter I of the beginning of the XVIII century, the term "Little Russian people" is used. From the time of Catherine II until the beginning of the 68th century, the concept of Little Russians, Little Russians, or Rusyns was used in relation to Ukrainians in the Russian Empire, and they were considered as one of the Russian nationalities along with Great Russians (Great Russians) and Belarusians [XNUMX]

              Ethnic history
              Ukrainians, along with Russians and Belarusians belong to the Eastern Slavs. Polessye ethnographic groups are also referred to Ukrainians: (Polishchuk) a number of Western Ukrainian ethnographic groups (strikers, Hutsuls, Lemki, Rusyns, and some representatives of the latter group identify themselves as separate from the Ukrainian people).

              The ancestors of Ukrainians are Slavic tribes of the Polyans, Drevlyans, Tivertsy, Northerners, streets, Volhynians (Dulebs) and White Croats, along with other tribes formed - Kievan Rus (IX-XII centuries), and later, after its collapse - the Principality of Galicia-Volyn ( Kingdom of Russia) (XII-XIV centuries), the Pereyaslav Principality, the Principality of Kiev, the Principality of Chernigov. Later, the lands became part of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, then to the Commonwealth, and by the end of the XNUMXth century the lands of present-day Ukraine were divided between the Russian and Austrian empires.

              Genetic structure studies

              A study of NRY polymorphism of Ukrainians revealed 19 haplogroups - C3 (× C3c), E1, E3b1, E3b3, G2, I (× I1a, I1b, I1c), I1a, I1b, I1c, J1, J2 (× J2f), J2f , K2, N2, N3, Q, R1 (× R1a, R1b3), R1a and R1b3,
              Haplogroup R1a dominates in Eastern Europe and is characteristic of Poles (56%), Russians (52%), Germans (30%).
              According to studies, according to the Y-chromosome markers, the investigated Ukrainians, Belarusians, as well as Russians demonstrate the closest similarity, forming a close group; the Poles are in close proximity to this group. In the study of population differences in NRY polymorphism within nine European nations, a common cluster was formed by populations of Poles, Ukrainians, and Russians in central and southern Russia, which indicates their common origin [92].
              According to mitochondrial DNA, Ukrainians are most genetically close to southwestern Russians, Poles, Hungarians, and southeastern Lithuanians, but they are also similar to many others, especially Slavic, Germanic, and Baltic-speaking populations of Europe [91].


              So no matter how you would like to - but you are Russian
          2. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 8 2013 12: 10
            0
            sichevik (4) Yesterday, 17:17 ↑ New
            Before Peter there was no such country as the Russian Empire. And there was Muscovy - the Moscow Kingdom. The word Russia was introduced by Peter.

            The concept of Russia appeared along with the baptism of Russia, the Greeks could not write Russia, and therefore in their reports they wrote in the Greek Russia (Russia-Russ can be checked in the Greek dictionary) and this concept applied to the territory that was then called Kievan Rus, Novgorod Rus, etc. that's why I say that Ukrainians are more Russian than many who consider themselves Russian.
            And here is what encyclopedia says.

            Ukrainians (Ukrainian. Ukrainians) - the East Slavic people. They live mainly in Ukraine. Among the Slavic peoples is the third largest after the Russians and Poles.
            Ukrainians are also called citizens of Ukraine, when they do not mean the ethnic context, but the context of citizenship.

            In the medieval documents of Kievan Rus, the ethnonym “Rus” was used as an ethnonym for the Eastern Slavs - ancestors of Ukrainians, Russians, and Belarusians, which, in turn, according to one of the hypotheses, is of Varangian origin [50]; for a single representative of an ethnos - “Rusyns”. For the first time he is found in the Tale of Bygone Years in the section of contracts between Oleg and the Greeks 911 (mentioned 7 times) and Igor 945 (mentioned 6 times). In the list (copies) of “Words about Igor's Campaign” (published in 1800) there is also a poetic ethnonym “Rusichi”.
            The ethnonym "Rusyns" is found later, in the XIII — XVIII centuries. [51] in Lithuanian and Polish documents naming residents of Old Russian principalities. Also, the ethnonym Rusyns was present in ancient Russian documents. The earliest example of the use of the ethnonym in the plural was noted in 1501 in the charter of the Belz Voivodeship (Volyn) [52]. The frequently encountered name of the inhabitants of Russia, which had signs of an ethnonym, in its medieval sources is “Russian people”, “Russian people”. In the Middle Ages, especially actively in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries, on the territory of the Zaporizhzhya Sich and the Zaporizhzhya Army, the ethnonym “Ruski” was applied to the language, religion, and nationality of people living in these territories.
            The most recent use of the ethnonym “Rusyns” in the sources of the Hetmanate is found in 1728 in the drama “Grace of God”, staged in Kiev on the occasion of the 80th anniversary of the beginning of the Khmelnytsky region and in honor of Danil the Apostle's assumption of hetman. Back in the 50s of the XIX century, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used here by the Kobzars. The thought written down from the kobzar Andrei Shut from the Chernihiv region says: “Well then, there’s a hetman Khmelnitsky, a Rusyn in us.” Thus, the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used in eastern Ukraine among commoners, where book and official innovations were not immediately accepted, much longer than mentioned (1728).
            In relation to the Ukrainians of the western region (Transcarpathia, Bukovina, Galicia), which was part of Austria-Hungary, also the inhabitants of Volyn and Kholmshchiny of the Russian Empire called themselves "Ruska", or "Rusyns". They were also called by the Poles [53], the ethnonym "Rusyns" was used until the middle of the 54th century [XNUMX]. Part of the Ukrainians living in Transcarpathia and in the eastern regions of Slovakia - Lemkovschina, and the Rusyns of Vojvodina and Pannonia, to a lesser extent - in Hungary and Romania, the self-name "Rusyns" is still used today, while part of this ethnic group of people insists on their identity to a nation different from the Ukrainians - Rusyns (Lemki)

            The ethnonym Ukrainian is associated with the name of Ukraine, etymologically meaning (from the old Russian Ukraine) “borderland”, “marginal land”. Until the XNUMXth century, this concept and the “Ukrainians” derivative of it had no ethnic significance in Russia and was applied to the border lands and people who lived on them or who served them
          3. Rink
            Rink April 8 2013 13: 56
            +2
            Quote: sichevik
            Before Peter there was no such country as the Russian Empire. And there was Muscovy - the Moscow Kingdom. The word Russia was introduced by Peter. The Ukrainians were before Ivan the Terrible, before Peter, exists now and will exist. ...

            Here is an example of how the propaganda machine works in Ukraine.
            Moreover, in the expressed point of view, the conviction of a nonsense zombie: what they invested is broadcast.
            Where is the logic? Russia "was not", but there was Little Russia. Great Russia, it turns out, emerged later. Ukraine - from the "outskirts", like no one argues. But what was Ukraine on the outskirts of?
            Well, to hell with it, with logic, let's turn to history.
            Haven't you tried to ask yourself when the name "Ukraine" appears for the first time in chronicles, chronicles or on maps? When do such people as "Ukrainians" appear? Whether from anyone, Arabs, Turks, British or Germans - WHEN DOES THE FIRST DOCUMENTAL REFERENCE MEET?
            Absolutely inconsistent with the truth, unsubstantiated "Ukrainians were before Ivan the Terrible" can evoke nothing but sympathy. Yes, the territory of modern Ukraine was not empty, and the Slavs lived here for a long time. Only they did not call themselves Ukrainians, and the country - Ukraine.
            Read something other than Ukrainian history textbooks.
            At least the same annals.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 8 2013 17: 20
              +1
              Quote: Skating rink
              Absolutely inconsistent with the truth, unsubstantiated "Ukrainians were before Ivan the Terrible" can evoke nothing but sympathy. Yes, the territory of modern Ukraine was not empty, and the Slavs lived here for a long time. Only they did not call themselves Ukrainians, and the country - Ukraine.

              So I say Russians lived there, and their neighbors called them (in the sense abroad) "ruzki", "ruska". "Rusyns", and by the way, Russian was always written with one s, but thanks to the Greeks and other reformists of the Russian language and the history of Russia

              For more than 1000 years, the Russian language has been destroyed, starting with Cyril and Methodius; the "alphabet" appeared (the gods were replaced with beeches). Then there was a time when the nobility completely spoke French. In 1805, the Englishwoman M. Wilmot, visiting St. Petersburg and Moscow, left a note:
              “The Russians are transporting you to France, not realizing in the least how much it is humiliating for their country and for themselves; national music, national dances and the national language - all this has fallen, and in use only between serfs. ”
              In the twentieth century, the alphabet was replaced by the alphabet, which was reduced to 33 letters and introduced the "demon." The Russian language became IMPOSSIBLE, the rules of word formation disappeared. But this is not enough for Russophobes, they are going to reduce the alphabet to 31 letters for a long time and clog the Russian language with foreign words.
              The new goal of the Cold War is to translate Russia into an "English-speaking format."

              In the annals - Russian, Russian. Where did the second C come from and why is it needed? IN AND. Dahl argued that writing “Russian” with two “s” was wrong, and he wrote with one (Russian, Russian, Russian land, etc.).

              In ancient times they wrote True Ruska; only Poland called us Russia, Russians, Russians, in Latin spelling, and we adopted it, transferred it to our Cyrillic and write Russian! (V.I. Dahl)

              Latin spelling - if one is C, then it is pronounced as [h], and if two, then [c].


              Russian spelling
              “Explanatory Dictionary of the Living Great Russian Language”, letter C:
              C, es, ce, word; under the title means 200, and with the sign ҂ two hundred thousand. It is doubled very rarely (quarrel, lend), more often incorrectly (Russian, in the invented Russian, Russia in the name of Russia).

              Why double consonants when it is contrary to our language, and with a good pronunciation, can not be heard? [IN AND. Dahl].
      3. morpex
        morpex April 5 2013 21: 08
        +5
        Quote: sichevik
        Not ukrov, dear, but Ukrainians. Be politically correct.

        Vladislav! This is not a matter of political correctness. Here, most likely, everything depends on the upbringing of a person, regardless of his nationality. I do not consider such opponents as well and bypass their comments side by side. Not plus or minus. I’m just trying not to notice. Another thing is surprising. Why is there so much negativity towards Ukraine lately on this site? Not that it’s insulting, but somehow disgusting and disgusting to read most of the comments soaked in the bulk with some pathology of hatred for everything Ukrainian. A man is sitting somewhere near the devil who has never been to Ukraine, not knowing the true state of things and is teaching how to live on. Still and calling all Ukrainians UKRA, Svidomitami, sharers, etc. OTHERWISE ....
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 5 2013 21: 16
          -2
          Quote: morpex
          .I am surprised by another. Why is there so much negativity towards Ukraine recently on this site?

          Most likely, the response to the policy pursued by your leadership.
          1. Felix200970
            Felix200970 April 5 2013 23: 00
            +4
            Quote: Garrin
            Quote: morpex
            .I am surprised by another. Why is there so much negativity towards Ukraine recently on this site?

            Most likely, the response to the policy pursued by your leadership.

            By and large, the policy pursued by the Ukrainian leadership does not affect the life of Russians in any way. It influences the life of Ukrainian citizens more. And most of all in this situation it is annoying that there is no way out of the situation peacefully. There is no political force in Ukraine that could change anything. There is the Party of Regions (Party of Regions) which methodically squeezes the juices out of this country. There is an "opposition" in which there are those who did not have time to join the PR. People believed them in 0 and flew by as usual. The party Freedom and BLOW (that's how it is written - abbreviation) are just inadequate kids. Whatever you do, I don’t want to have the head of state of a nationalist or a professional boxer - it’s just ... (you cannot swear on the site) and complete. There is no one to protect the population of Ukraine. "Army" (I put it in quotation marks because there is nothing left) can not even be called amusing regiments. The last graduates of Soviet military schools will retire in 2004 years. The number of the Ministry of Internal Affairs exceeds the Ministry of Defense by 2! time. The tax administration has such rights that it is better not to do business in Ukraine at all. So the question is asked correctly, but the wrong people are more interested in it.
            Quote: Hyus-124
            Happened, not impressed. (Even under the socialist regime), and I know the "current state of affairs" from the migrant workers from Ukraine, who here "at the edge of the middle of nowhere," wave shovels, and not sit behind the "clave" and teach pedagogy. Tell that to your anti-aircraft gunners.

            And this pearl is finished off. He was not only in space, but how he does it knows best of all fool
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv April 5 2013 23: 10
              +1
              Felix, too, I don’t understand how a person who has learned to beat the bag for more than half his life at best, suddenly becomes like a professional politician and even with ambitions for the presidency. This also concerns our Valuev, it’s good for the president
            2. Garrin
              Garrin April 5 2013 23: 22
              +1
              Quote: Felix200970
              By and large, the policy pursued by the leadership of Ukraine does not affect the life of Russians in any way. It affects the life of Ukrainian citizens more. And most of all in this situation, it is annoying that there is no way out of the situation peacefully. In Ukraine, there is no political force that could change anything.

              Felix, I plus you and agree for the most part. It’s not just that you are indifferent to us, if something bad happens, and we’ll be there to help you, I don’t know, maybe I’m messy writing, it’s just disgusting that the young brains have already been turned upside down. We will never be enemies.
              1. morpex
                morpex April 5 2013 23: 37
                +1
                Quote: Garrin
                We will never be enemies.


                Igor! Balm for the soul! A few words, and so much has been invested in them. Plus you are sick. And in a good mood I'm going to sleep. By the way, this is the best. what I read here today ... drinks
            3. Hius-124
              Hius-124 April 6 2013 01: 49
              -3
              Quote: Felix200970
              And this pearl is finished off.

              So the goal is achieved.
              Quote: Felix200970
              but how is it done

              There is enough information and so on. And you have been everywhere, what are you talking about? If - yes, well, it’s interesting to talk to the "ubiquitous". laughing
            4. Rink
              Rink April 8 2013 15: 05
              0
              Quote: Felix200970
              By and large, the policy pursued by the leadership of Ukraine does not affect the life of Russians in any way. ....

              In addition to the fact that Ukraine plays more on the side of a potential strategic adversary, and in the event of a conflict could become a springboard for him near Russia, Ukraine also took with it a rather sensitive part of the USSR economy. She herself now practically does not use it, moreover, they successfully help us to bury her in order to prevent recovery.
              The reunification of the two Slavic states would improve the economic positions of both states, it would be more beneficial in geopolitical and military-strategic terms. Since it would mean ousting from the region the main destabilizing force of our time - the Anglo-Saxon coalition, "bankrupt with a club."

              I agree with the rest. I put a plus.
          2. SerAll
            SerAll April 6 2013 01: 07
            +1
            And not only "yours" ... our leadership is all "Ukrainians" ... so they cannot agree .... Here sichevik (4) RU "I myself am Ukrainian by nationality." and a hundred poods in the government works or for the state. service .... !!! Everyone is so smart ... if anyone is interested in examples ... No offense .... it all depends on the person, I was born in the USSR and nationality has nothing to do with it!
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 10
              0
              Quote: SerAll
              Here sichevik (4) RU "I myself am Ukrainian by nationality." and a hundred poods in the government works or for the state. service .... !!!

              he lives in Russia, judging by the flag.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 5 2013 21: 26
          +6
          Quote: morpex
          Why so much negativity towards Ukraine recently on this site


          So they pump it up, Millerovtsy are furious with fat, and Ukraine is to blame
        3. Hius-124
          Hius-124 April 5 2013 21: 54
          -4
          [quote = morpexA person sitting somewhere near the devil on pies, never been to Ukraine, not knowing the true state of things, and teaches how he gave
          Happened, not impressed. (Even under the socialist regime), and I know the "current state of affairs" from the migrant workers from Ukraine, who here "at the edge of the middle of nowhere," wave shovels, and not sit behind the "clave" and teach pedagogy. Tell that to your anti-aircraft gunners.
        4. Hius-124
          Hius-124 April 5 2013 22: 18
          -2
          [quote = morpex] A man is sitting somewhere in the middle of nowhere, never been to Ukraine, not knowing the true state of things
          Been (Kirovsk, Lugansk region, Gulyaypole, Zaporozhye), not impressed. And I know about the current state of affairs from a guest worker from Ukraine, who wave their shovels here, and not sit at the "clauses" and are engaged in pedagogy. About Krasnoyarsk (guests' opinion) they say - "here you can be passing through and stay alive" (at the devil's nicknames). hi
        5. Hius-124
          Hius-124 April 5 2013 22: 29
          0
          One lady from the Ukrainian establishment said the "golden thing": "The national animal of Ukraine is not a pig, but a TOAD!", My personal experience of communication (not even talking about interstate communication) testifies to the same. Tell your anti-aircraft gunners about good manners.
          1. morpex
            morpex April 5 2013 23: 09
            +2
            Quote: Hyus-124
            Had not impressed. (Even with social),

            Well, this is a matter of taste ..
            Quote: Hyus-124
            and I know the "current state of affairs" from guest workers from Ukraine,

            Well, the stump is clear! What else can a person tell about the Motherland, who has left for earnings and, moreover, being on your bird’s rights ..
            Quote: Hyus-124
            who are here "by the devil on the kulichki", waving their shovels, and not behind the "clave" sit and teach pedagogy

            Believe me! I’m a man of physical labor and waving more than any guest worker (Definition of a hard worker! What is the Nazis-OST. You should make patches for every hard worker working for the good of your homeland.) Only in contrast to them, I wave here. It would be difficult. ...
            Quote: Hyus-124
            And tell your anti-aircraft gunners upbringing.

            Surnames. Where are they from. Photos or videos on which they shoot down planes I personally found nothing except empty and unfounded statements anywhere ......
            Quote: Hyus-124
            The national animal of Ukraine is not a pig, but a TOAD! ", My personal experience of communication (not even talking about interstate) testifies to the same

            Your personal communication experience? Well, everyone chooses for himself ..... laughing
            1. Hius-124
              Hius-124 April 5 2013 23: 53
              -1
              Quote: morpex
              Believe me! I’m a man of physical labor and waving more than any guest worker (Definition of a hard worker! What is the Nazis-OST. You should make patches for every hard worker working for the good of your homeland.) Only in contrast to them, I wave here. It would be difficult. ...

              Happy for you. And as for the patches - so there is no Gestapo (NGD station Krasnoyarsk), no one made them specifically complain about Ukraine, they talk so "for zhist", they will make good money here and leave. hi
              Quote: morpex
              Surnames. Where are they from. Photos or videos on which they shoot down planes I personally found nothing except empty and unfounded statements anywhere ......

              I don’t work in the FSB, just on that plane (from Israel to Moscow) my friend flew. You upload a photo from the wake, do you want to see the widow with your son?
              Quote: morpex
              Your personal communication experience? Well, so everyone chooses for himself ...

              I didn’t choose, I chose the military commissar. request
        6. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 27
          -2
          Quote: morpex
          There is a man sitting somewhere near the devil who has never been to Ukraine, not knowing the true state of things and is teaching how to live on. Still and calling all Ukrainians UKRA, SIDWIDOMITS, SHAROVARCHIK, etc. OTHERWISE ....

          Hello dear MORPEKH, attention to the question (I could not resist looking at Wasserman) now you now at least a little felt like a Russian who is trying to convince brothers in Europe and the CIS who, "knowingly" with foam at the mouth, are discussing what kind of Putin we have, what Stalin we have what kind of nationalists we have, what kind of FAITH suits us best, what kind of wrong history and historians we have (they call us stupid and our leadership is stupid and Russian drunkards and weaklings and Caucasians drive us away, etc.)

          The question is not opposed
          1. morpex
            morpex April 6 2013 21: 20
            0
            Quote: alexandr00070
            You now at least felt a little Russian to

            You see Aleksandr. I, how to put it more precisely, do not feel like a Russian or a Ukrainian .. I’m most likely by nationality - "Soviet man", or as it is fashionable to say - "scoop", with all the consequences .. Well, that's what I made me that Great Country. I will not develop this topic, I hope you will understand.
            Quote: alexandr00070
            knowledge of the matter "with foam at the mouth discussing what kind of Putin we have, what kind of Stalin we have

            To tell you the truth, I don’t have a lot of love for them. But I respect Stalin as a person. At that stage of history such as he was visible and needed. So far, I have a more critical attitude to Putin. Against the backdrop of obvious achievements, he has a lot of things that I can’t understand yet. So far, Stalin is worthless from him, to tell the truth. But we will see.
            Quote: alexandr00070
            what are our nationalists

            You and we need healthy nationalism ...

            Quote: alexandr00070
            which faith is more suitable for us

            Orthodoxy. I think so.
            Quote: alexandr00070
            what is our wrong story and historians

            And this aunt was raped everywhere. In any state. It is very difficult to determine the truth from a lie.
            Quote: alexandr00070
            and neo-nationalists name-calling and our leadership is stupid and Russian drunkards and wimps and Caucasians are chasing us, etc.)

            Inadequate and you have enough.
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 7 2013 02: 35
              +1
              Quote: morpex
              Hello dear MORPEKH, attention to the question (I could not resist looking at Wasserman) now you now at least a little felt like a Russian who is trying to convince brothers in Europe and the CIS who, "knowingly" with foam at the mouth, are discussing what kind of Putin we have, what Stalin we have what kind of nationalists we have, what kind of FAITH suits us best, what kind of wrong history and historians we have (they call us stupid and our leadership is stupid and Russian drunkards and weaklings and Caucasians drive us away, etc.)

              The question is not opposed

              How did you "Soviet man" get away from the question, crumble my phrase into convenient pieces (from which it completely lost its meaning) and answered as if in general and about nothing, like a Jewish lawyer, it's not for nothing that you have Wasserman in the photo
      4. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 08
        -2
        Quote: sichevik
        Not ukrov, dear, but Ukrainians. Be politically correct. I am Ukrainian by nationality. And it’s unpleasant for me to say so much about my nation.

        There was no ukrov, Ukraine (forgive me generously, Ukrainians) the territory was called not so long ago, Little Russia, Kievan Rus - tell me how the country came from such beautiful names to such (forgive me generously Ukrainians) the name, which designated the region Poland, Russia?

        Quote: sichevik
        I am Ukrainian by nationality. And it’s unpleasant for me when they say that about my nation.


        And about nationality, dear sichevik, you are living on the territory of Russia by nationality (according to new laws) - a Russian, speaking about the country, Ukraine, (forgive me generously, Ukrainians) what do you think if the capital was transferred from Moscow to St. Petersburg did the Russians become If Russia was less Russian and when the capital of the ancient state was transferred from Kiev to Vladimir, did Moscow become Russian residents of Kievan Rus (after all, there were no ancient ukrov, almost all of the inhabitants of Russia were Russian) less Russian left to live in the territory of Little Russia. So respected by blood and genes, you are no less Russian than I am, and a Ukrainian is like we are now a Russian, belonging to the territory and no nationalism
      5. Rink
        Rink April 8 2013 13: 31
        0
        Quote: sichevik
        Not ukrov, dear, but Ukrainians.

        Ukry and Ukrainians are slightly different things. If a normal person, a patriot of Ukraine but not a Nazi, not a chauvinist, not "Svidomo", is a Ukrainian. Otherwise, the term "Ukrainian", invented by them, is well suited for designation.
        If you are not a Nazi, then "Ukrainian" does not apply to you.

        Be politically correct.

        Better to be "polite", "have mutual respect."
        "Political correctness", due to which, for example, the artificial term "African American" was introduced is a stupid invention. The term, if you think about it, is no less racist. Moreover, he is trying to "whitewash" only American blacks. African blacks, or Cuban, say, as they were blacks, they remained so. For some reason, political correctness is sleeping here? And why should a Negro be ashamed of the fact that his mother gave birth to a Negro? In Africa there is a whole country of Niger, and Nigerian blacks do not complex at all because they are blacks ...
        Political correctness, by the way, does not imply respect. Blacks can be called African-Americans, and racist prejudices still persist. Because no matter how you call a Negro, but the skin will remain the same color, and the attitude of others - the same.

        Not terms need to be changed, but relationships.
        Political correctness is a surrogate that does not solve the problem itself, and it seems to me that I need to take this American invention out of use.
  9. sichevik
    sichevik April 5 2013 15: 46
    +8
    Ukrainians have an eternal hostility to the Poles. You can even say not hatred, but hatred. All the same, most of Ukraine was under the yoke of the Commonwealth. And the Poles were not atrocious there. It seems to me that from here legs grow.
    1. revnagan
      revnagan April 5 2013 17: 01
      +5
      Quote: sichevik
      Ukrainians have an eternal hostility to the Poles. You can even say not hatred, but hatred.

      Well, it seems to me that this feeling is mutual. And it was not we who started this enmity. The Polish "puff" is to blame. And the disdainful attitude towards the Ukrainian "schismatics".
      PS Dear moderators, please recourse give me back my Ukrainian flag ...
      1. washi
        washi April 5 2013 17: 54
        -1
        Outskirts cannot be a country. It belongs to one of the countries on the outskirts of which this territory is. You have chosen your country.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 36
          +1
          Quote: Vasya
          Outskirts cannot be a country. It belongs to one of the countries on the outskirts of which this territory is. You have chosen your country.

          Vasya no matter what the point is, but minus the truth
    2. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 21: 31
      +2
      Quote: sichevik
      Ukrainians have an eternal hostility to the Poles. You can even say not hatred, but hatred. All the same, most of Ukraine was under the yoke of the Commonwealth. And the Poles were not atrocious there. It seems to me that from here legs grow.

      With all due respect to you, you cannot justify the crimes of the Banderaites, and you are looking for these justifications. "An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth." These are the norms of medieval morality, and when in the 20th century civilians are massacred, it is ORDINARY FASCISM.
      1. sichevik
        sichevik April 6 2013 11: 11
        -1
        Unfortunately, you misunderstood me. Is there in my post justifying words addressed to Bandera?
        I never justified them and always treated these scum with hatred.
    3. morpex
      morpex April 5 2013 23: 25
      +2
      Quote: sichevik
      Ukrainians have an eternal hostility to the Poles

      Definitely! I will add - mutual hostility! There was no longer an enemy of Ukraine throughout its history than Poland! Well, except that the Turks and Tatars ....

      And by the way, only the OUN units participated in the massacre, that is, Bandera. The UPA is not involved here. Who knows even a little bit the history of Ukraine, he will understand what I mean. The OUN and the UPA are completely different formations. Although those that those are scum.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 5 2013 23: 40
        +2
        Quote: morpex
        And by the way, only the OUN units participated in the massacre, that is, Bandera. The UPA is not involved here. Who knows even a little bit the history of Ukraine, he will understand what I mean. The OUN and the UPA are completely different formations. Although those that those are scum.

        Marine, you're right. Scary for today's young.
  10. knn54
    knn54 April 5 2013 15: 56
    13
    As a result of the Riga world, Jozef Pilsudski Poland received TWO of Ukraine - Ukraine,
    “European-oriented” and Uniate (Galicia), and Ukraine “Russian” and Orthodox (Volhynia).
    Polish authorities begin to correct this situation. They began to plant a Uniate church in Volyn and started a Polish colonization on its territory — the population density in Volyn at that time was 48 people per 1 square kilometer, while the average in Poland reached 83 people per square kilometer - the sea of ​​land disappears!
    But the "Warsaw dreamers", however, were mistaken. After the defeat of Poland in 1939, the three hundred thousandth Polish minority in Volyn was completely and completely in the grip of Bandera!
    By the way, the PEACEFUL POLISH POPULATION HAD A CHANCE TO SAVE THEIR LIFE - at first the OUN and UPA decided to force the Poles to voluntarily leave for ethnic Polish territories. The OUN magazine “Before the World” wrote in July 1943 ... “Let Poland build their native lands in Poland, since they can only accelerate their shameful death.” But the leadership of the Craiova’s Army ordered its supervised residents not to follow the Ukrainian threats in any way - otherwise, the loss of Volyn by Poland would be inevitable. Representatives of Bandera in Polish settlements put forward an ultimatum to the Poles: leave the village for 48 hours. Craiova’s army issued a counter-order: not to leave the territory.
    PS Our researcher I. Ilyushin correctly said about the roots of this tragedy:
    “The bloody confrontation was the result, on the one hand, of Polish chauvinism, and on the other, of Ukrainian nationalism, which devalued human life, justifying it with patriotic slogans. AND THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION NONE OF THE PARTIES. "
  11. tarks
    tarks April 5 2013 16: 05
    0
    The article itself, as it were, is not in the profile, but it can be attributed to the field of strategy.
    It is especially striking that the Poles, generally speaking themselves, put a lot of effort into the birth and formation of the "Ukrainian nation."
    And now they continue to move in the same direction in Belarus:
    http://www.warandpeace.ru/ru/commentaries/view/78744/
  12. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K April 5 2013 16: 10
    11
    Quote: Fastblast
    +1

    It seems that this kind of topic is created for a specific purpose, for example to incite ...

    This is called Opinion Formation. If Ukraine joins the CU, they will sculpt articles about what fellows in Ukraine are, brothers, their mother, storks make nests and everything is okay.
    A striking example is Belarus. Relations worsen - everything, Belarusians live at our expense, resell petroleum products and generally there is no such people and country. As soon as Russia gets what it wants, everything is openwork.
    And this is normal, for the bourgeoisie it is generally put on stream. But on this site, everyone considers themselves to be the highest race, immaculate lambs, and their words the truth from God. SO MEET! THINK BEFORE WRITING! And as you think, it turns out that there’s nothing to write about. Because there is not enough information to reflect on something.
    I wrote without thinking. What I'm sorry about ...
  13. amp
    amp April 5 2013 16: 12
    0
    Ukraine and Poland are incapable even of a short-term tactical alliance. No matter how disgusting the Galicians are, the Poles are even more disgusting. If, for example, imagine the Polish - Galician army that attacked Russia, then they will cling to each other's throats before they reach the front line.
    1. washi
      washi April 5 2013 18: 12
      +1
      For money? Psheks sponsor. And the Ukrainians will strangle themselves for the loot.
      When a holol was born, a Jew choked
  14. Mefodiy
    Mefodiy April 5 2013 16: 14
    +3
    In some areas of the ZU, military operations between the UPA and the Craiova Army took place until 1947.
    There should not be an excuse for crimes, on which side they would not have been committed. And we must also remember that any action gives rise to opposition.
    1. washi
      washi April 5 2013 18: 14
      +2
      Is it okay to kill children and women?
  15. harrymur
    harrymur April 5 2013 16: 20
    0
    here ische pull pull lousy
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 5 2013 16: 49
      +4
      He’s nobody in Ukraine and there’s no way to call him. He actually went on the air only because someone paid the deal. I haven’t seen a single program with his participation in the main role.
      1. krasin
        krasin April 5 2013 17: 35
        0
        Pearl gives out with such conviction, faith to his colleagues in Latvia.
        Bad thing with education in Ukraine, the history was rewritten in the bud.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas April 6 2013 00: 02
          +1
          Quote: krasin
          Pearl gives out with such conviction, faith to his colleagues in Latvia.
          Bad thing with education in Ukraine, the history was rewritten in the bud.

          This Taaish was invited by the Kremlin to lecture at Seliger. Hmm, that was the case.
    2. Drejk
      Drejk April 5 2013 19: 01
      +2
      Hello everyone. I look at it all and think how easy it is to judge what I myself did not participate in! Sitting in the studio is easy to reason with, and your eyes run from bullshit. If your grandfather got up from the grave, I think he would have strangled you bitch with his own hands. If it were not for Russia, you trash or the Poles or Turks would have cut out in due time and there is nothing to say now that the Russians are to blame for everything.
  16. ABV
    ABV April 5 2013 17: 14
    +2
    Poles are fools - they are like small children ..... their hatred of us is ridiculous!
    They have, sorry, Europeans with the Anglo-Saxons against us and all Slavs. Poles are traitors. Traitors to all Slavic peoples and their own. They were fed in the Middle Ages and used against the war with us, and they live in dreams and believe that they are part of European culture, an outpost of the fight against Russia. Stupid. Use and throw as .... well, it’s clear what. Europe will not marry Poland, will not marry ...
    1. radar75
      radar75 April 5 2013 18: 52
      -4
      Poles against the Slavs? According to the latest research of RUSSIAN scientists, the Slavs are Poles and Belarusians, and the Russians are Ugro-Finns, the Ukrainians are Sarmatians.
      Do you already somehow decide which of hu?
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 5 2013 21: 27
        +2
        Quote: radar75
        According to the latest research of RUSSIAN scientists, the Slavs are Poles and Belarusians,


        Is the surname of a Russian scientist possible?
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv April 5 2013 21: 45
          0
          Vabivak do not pay attention to radar 75, it always behaves like in a joke:
          Little Vovochka, who will you be for the New Year?
          r ........ nom!
          Little Johnny, stand in the corner.
          I’ll vanish all the same!
          1. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 52
            +1
            Quote: mhpv
            Vabivak do not pay attention to radar 75, it always behaves like in a joke:
            Little Vovochka, who will you be for the New Year?


            or like this
      2. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 47
        0
        Quote: radar75
        Do you already somehow decide which of hu?

        yes it is clear who is HU
        Recent joint research by Russian, British and Estonian geneticists put a big and fat cross on the common Russophobic myth, which has been rooted in the minds of people for decades - they say, "scratch the Russian and you will definitely find a Tatar." The results of a large-scale experiment published in The American Journal of Human Genetics absolutely clearly say - "despite the widespread opinion about the strong Tatar and Mongol impurities in the blood of Russians, inherited from their ancestors back during the Tatar-Mongol invasion, the haplogroup of Turkic peoples and others "Asian ethnic groups almost left no trace on the population of the modern northwestern, central and southern regions."


        In this long-standing debate, one can safely put an end to and consider further discussions on this subject simply inappropriate.

        No influence on the so-called Russian genes "Mongol-Tatar yoke" - did not. The Russians did not have any admixture of “Horde blood”.

        Moreover, geneticists, summing up their research, declare that the genotypes of Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are almost completely identical, proving that we were and remain one people: “... the genetic variations of the Y chromosome of the inhabitants of the central and southern regions of Ancient Russia turned out to be almost identical to those of the "Slavic brothers" - Ukrainians and Belarusians. "

        One of the project managers, the Russian geneticist Oleg Balanovsky, admitted in an interview that the Russians are practically a monolithic people from a genetic point of view, destroying another myth: "everyone is mixed up, there are no more Russians." Just exactly the opposite: Russians were and there are Russians. One people, one nation, monolithic nationality - with a distinct special genotype.

        Further, examining the materials of the remains from the oldest burials, scientists found that "Slavic tribes had mastered these lands (Central and Southern Russia) long before the mass migration of the main part of the ancient Russians to them in the XNUMXth – XNUMXth centuries." That is, the lands of Central and Southern Russia were settled by Russians (Rusichs) already, at least in the first centuries of our era (according to PX). Even earlier.

        This makes it possible to debunk yet another Russophobic myth - that Moscow and its surrounding regions were supposedly inhabited from time immemorial by Finno-Ugric tribes and the Russians there are “newcomers”. As genetics proved, the ancestors of the Russian people are not aliens, but completely autochthonous inhabitants of Central Russia, where the Rus have lived since time immemorial. “Despite the fact that these lands were inhabited even before the last glaciation of our planet about 20 thousand years ago, there is no evidence directly indicating the presence of any“ original ”nationalities living in this territory,” the report says. That is, there is no evidence that any other tribes lived on our lands before us, which we supposedly ousted or assimilated.

        by the way, what is called a trident (and many call it so) on the coat of arms of Ukraine, in fact, a diving falcon, the family falcon of Rurik
  17. Good man
    Good man April 5 2013 17: 23
    -5
    The second article of the day once again clearly lobbies Russians to hate Ukraine and Ukrainians.
    The whole point is that the ideological distance between the "Ukrainian idea" and (neo) Nazi views is extremely small.

    The author forgot to add that only the occupation of the Russian Federation in Ukraine can save the universe from the evil of the Ukrainian idea !!! and there is still not enough poster "Dad kill the Ukrainian!" laughing
    It can be seen a matter of war since there are so many of them a day ...

    P.S. And about Poland and the USSR, everything is simple - well, the countries that have occupied your homeland do not like.
    1. amp
      amp April 5 2013 17: 34
      0
      You read that pr Russia svidomye media write.
      Well, they’re zombizing like that!
      1. Algor73
        Algor73 April 5 2013 18: 38
        +1
        I don’t know what the media write there that you read or listen to, but the rating of the Ukrainian people’s confidence in the Russian is much higher than that of the Russian in Ukrainian. And why? The same media ...
        1. Luna
          Luna April 5 2013 19: 32
          +1
          Commonplace manipulation - we are with them wholeheartedly, and they clamp the fraternal price of gas. There are still such polls where Ukrainians love Russians, and Russians Ukrainians do not really.

          Trust less ratings and polls, which are usually conducted by order of certain individuals with a certain worldview. Both Ukrainian Razumkov and Russian Levada are no exception.
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 55
          0
          Quote: Algor73
          I don’t know what the media write there that you read or listen to, but the rating of the Ukrainian people’s confidence in the Russian is much higher than that of the Russian in Ukrainian. And why? The same media ...

          LIVADA CENTER, Gleb Pavlovsky - they provide the media with social surveys, that is, the Jews are again to blame
    2. washi
      washi April 5 2013 18: 24
      -7
      Russia is not necessary, even it is necessary to resist unification with Little Russia. We have enough of our own problems. And there: Russians, Tatars, Poles, Orthodox, Uniates, Muslims, Catholics, citizens of Russia and Geyropa,
      They will never decide for themselves.
      The referendum and the collapse of the territory, according to the population.
  18. The cat
    The cat April 5 2013 17: 48
    +8
    The author of the article is a liar and provocateur
    Such as Stepan Lenkavsky, the ideologist of the OUN ("Do not be afraid to declare yourself fascists. After all, we are!"), With his "Decalogue of the Ukrainian nationalist", where you can find the words: "You will go unshakably for the most dangerous crime, if this require the interests of the case. You will fight for strengthening the strength, glory, wealth and open spaces of the Ukrainian State, even by enslaving foreigners. ”
    We read "Decalogue ..."
    7. Without hesitation you will do the most dangerous actif good deeds require it. (original- Do not overlook Viconati naynebezpechnіshogo rank, as a whole vimagatima do good.)
    8. By hatred and reckless struggle you will receive the enemies of Your Nation. (original- Hatred and reckless struggle to accept the horrors of your country.)
    Catch the difference?
    And in general, it's time to open the heading "Not a day without a shit about Ukraine!"
    1. Felix200970
      Felix200970 April 5 2013 23: 11
      +3
      Quote: Elgato
      And in general, it's time to open the heading "Not a day without a shit about Ukraine!"

      The offer is good. Put it on the main page to look in order: Home, News, Armament, Arsenal, Military Archive, Technologies, Srach about Ukraine. And in the last section include all the articles where at least somehow mentioned about Ukraine laughing
  19. Good man
    Good man April 5 2013 17: 48
    +3
    Quote: amp
    You read that pr Russia svidomye media write.
    Well, they’re zombizing like that!

    We are discussing a specific article, post a Ukrainian will comment on it.
    And there are no such media at the national level. Moreover, it is unlikely that you read the Ukrainian press ...
    1. amp
      amp April 5 2013 18: 05
      0
      Come on, go to the most popular news resource in Ukraine, the correspondent is not in the Russia section, and just read the headlines!
      1. Good man
        Good man April 5 2013 18: 11
        0
        Quote: amp
        Come on, go to the most popular news resource in Ukraine, the correspondent is not in the Russia section, and just read the headlines!

        Examples of Russophobia correspondent in articles in the studio please.
      2. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 5 2013 18: 51
        +3
        And who said that this is the most popular news resource? How many subscribers are there? And they also read it in the villages? Nooo. In the villages they watch TV. And on the main TV channels I even heard little criticism of Russia. I have the opportunity to watch the same channels Rossii.Tam Ukraine poured mud an order of magnitude more.
  20. Fastblast
    Fastblast April 5 2013 18: 32
    +2
    You know, in fact, all these conflicts are sad.
    Of course, you need to know the story. But all these grievances only hinder development, in all directions.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Fastblast
      You know, in fact, all these conflicts are sad.

      Our feuds begin and end on this forum. But the trouble is that in your country fascism is being promoted and children are brought up by Russophobes.
      1. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 5 2013 23: 41
        0
        Fascism is being promoted here? Is it possible in more detail?
        My daughter goes to the 7th grade. Teaches 3 languages. Ukrainian, Russian, English.
        Where is Russophobia here? I don’t understand why there was an opinion that if you don’t like Russians, then Russophobia. And if you just respect? Do not love, but respect, this is not enough?
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 5 2013 23: 54
          0
          Quote: Conepatus
          Fascism is being promoted here? Is it possible in more detail?

          Can. You have the heroes of Bandera and Shukhevych.

          Quote: Conepatus
          My daughter goes to the 7th grade. Teaches 3 languages. Ukrainian, Russian, English.


          Very good, just rejoice. Just why Russian was expelled from the state?

          Quote: Conepatus
          Where is Russophobia here? I don’t understand why there was an opinion that if you don’t like Russians, then Russophobia.


          Well, they themselves answered.
          1. Conepatus
            Conepatus April 6 2013 00: 45
            0
            Bandera and Shukhevych national heroes? Since when?
            The Russian language was not excluded from the state language, because it never was. Although the Party of Regions, led by everyone here abused by Yanyk, adopted a law last year. Under this law, Russian received the status of a regional language. ORT did not cover it, did not? Ukrainians several million live in Russia, for the same Khanty-Mansiysk district, they jokingly say "X about xl o-Mansiysk" in Russia does the Ukrainian language have any status?
            Please explain why we should LOVE the Russians? Why RESPECT little?
            1. Garrin
              Garrin April 6 2013 00: 57
              +1
              Quote: Conepatus
              Bandera and Shukhevych national heroes? Since when?


              Since Maidan.
              Quote: Conepatus
              They didn’t exclude the Russian language from the state language, because it had never been to them. Although the Party of Regions, headed by Yanyk, who was abused there, passed the law last year. Under this law, the Russian language received regional status. ORT did not cover this, did not

              And Eastern, Russian-speaking Ukraine, did you, so, walking, have been removed from the lists?
              Quote: Conepatus
              Russian Ukrainian language has at least some sort of status?


              Migrant workers. But you yourself sought.
              Quote: Conepatus
              Please explain why we should LOVE the Russians? Why RESPECT little?


              It's not a question of love and respect. There is a question of HATE. And it is not only necessary that you have already got used to it "ON HER KNIVES".
              1. Conepatus
                Conepatus April 6 2013 01: 10
                -2
                What is left of that Maidan? Only video chronicle.
                It was in Eastern Ukraine with the introduction of the law on the regional language, that it became possible to use Russian as an official language.
                Don’t pretend that you didn’t understand. I didn’t mean state workers. I talked about Russians, Ukrainian nationality.
                I don’t understand about knives at all. If a small part of Ukrainians living in the western regions hates Russians, it doesn’t say anything. I think no less Chechens who hate Russians. And what? Most Ukrainians treat Russians normally. Why make hysteria out of nowhere ?
            2. Luna
              Luna April 6 2013 02: 01
              -1
              Bandera and Shukhevych national heroes? Since when?

              Oh, well, there is casuistry in the style of an independent Ukraine. Heroes were awarded to them by the President of Ukraine Yushchenko at that time, and, for some reason, was canceled by the Donetsk Administrative Court.
              President Yanukovych chose to sit out in the bushes.

              Under this law, the Russian language received the status of a regional one. ORT didn’t cover it, did it?

              Illuminated, just what are you enjoying? What were you allowed to speak Russian in certain places? Are you already on a reservation? And what did this regional status give you? Have Russian schools appeared? D / gardens? Tax does not require reporting on mov?
              Questions ... Questions ...

              There are several million Ukrainians living in Russia, in the same Khanty-Mansiysk district, they jokingly say "X o xl o-Mansiysk" in Russia does the Ukrainian language have any status?

              In Russia, less than 1% of the population speaks Ukrainian, while in Ukraine, about 50% speak Russian. Do you think these numbers and problems are comparable?
              In Moscow, Luzhkov tried to create a Ukrainian school, they tried to get kids to go there, and they couldn’t get the right amount to fill at least one class. ”
              http://glavred.info/archive/2012/12/26/174223-7.html
  21. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 5 2013 18: 56
    +1
    Poland always spoils, as its owners tell her, so she does. Six, in a word. It's genius to blame the whole USSR! And if Ukraine went in the footsteps of the Third Reich - a flag in her hands, for how we will end it all. Nationalism is not good, especially in a country that is part of one large and ancient people - Russian. This is a disease, but in Ukraine it is no longer curable. But Poland craps, craps, and then wonders, why did the President die near Smolensk? Given everything that they did in Smolensk, and in Belarus, and in Ukraine. No Poland - no problem.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 5 2013 19: 28
      0
      No Poland, no problem?
      Are you sure that this Ukraine has followed in the footsteps of the Third Reich?
      1. Goldkonstantin
        Goldkonstantin April 5 2013 19: 36
        -2
        Sure, judging by some personalities. Tyagnibok, for example.
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus April 5 2013 19: 38
          +3
          Zhirinovsky for example.
  22. svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 19: 21
    0
    Quote: GoldKonstantin
    No Poland - no problem.



    Alas, the story says the opposite
    1. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 5 2013 19: 30
      0
      Quote: svp67
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      No Poland - no problem.



      Alas, the story says the opposite

      Yes, no, history just says that when there is no Poland, then in Europe it is more or less calm.
      1. Felix200970
        Felix200970 April 5 2013 23: 14
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        Yes, no, history just says that when there is no Poland, then in Europe it is more or less calm.

        For that, hemorrhoids are going on among those to whom they got hi
      2. svp67
        svp67 April 6 2013 06: 02
        0
        Quote: Allex28
        Yes, no, history just says that when there is no Poland, then in Europe it is more or less calm.



        Well, unless of course there are constant armed "squabbles" in the Kingdom of Poland, in your opinion it is more or less ... Well then YES, but I think so, NO.
  23. VadimSt
    VadimSt April 5 2013 19: 28
    +1
    That’s the field of activity for adequate media and historians - more often to remind the Poles about fascism and their accomplices, about who brought them liberation and at what cost. And then, we are trying to reward English sailors, but we forget about the participants in the Ludova Army and the armies of the Polish Army created in Russia.
    I’m used to washing my brains only, but weakly ourselves?
  24. Sergey_K
    Sergey_K April 5 2013 19: 45
    +4
    Quote: Elgato

    And in general, it's time to open the heading "Not a day without a shit about Ukraine!"

    I support. A separate subsection "Ukrorach", invite the appropriate comrades from Ukraine, replace the pros and cons for poop and dung)) Success is guaranteed, the site owner will earn even more!
  25. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 5 2013 20: 31
    +5
    Before judging a nation, study it. Come visit, kindly requested. You can speak any language from west to east of Ukraine, no one will say a bad word to you. Our people are simple and normal. What about politicians? Well, politicians have elections, then fray, then fart, then some kind of crap, that we have you.
  26. Mhpv
    Mhpv April 5 2013 21: 23
    +3
    Quote: Conepatus
    Zhirinovsky for example.

    In Zhirinovsky you are accustomed to seeing only negative things and you don’t notice that he is smarter than many not only our politicians but also your president. He knows the story perfectly, operates with figures, facts and evidence.
    without hints and papers, and Yanukovych even before your correspondents could not get out about his son’s business.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus April 5 2013 22: 47
      -1
      Not so long ago, Boris was with you. He spoke no better than our Yanyk, and the business of his "family" was no less. So what?
  27. Yashka Gorobets
    Yashka Gorobets April 5 2013 21: 37
    -1
    Yuri Lipa with his words: “Physical love for one’s self and physical hatred of someone else’s in the worldview and spirituality is what is characteristic of Ukrainians, from antiquity to the last time” (c).
    So it is with hatred that it turns out to be on the sidelines.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 5 2013 21: 52
      +1
      Why insult women. For a long time they have been standing on the sidelines not by compulsion, but by calling and no matter what nationality she is, or do you want to say that Ukrainians also stand on the bypass Kazan?
    2. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 21: 54
      0
      Quote: Yashka Gorobets
      Yuri Lipa with his words: “Physical love for one’s self and physical hatred of someone else’s in the worldview and spirituality is what is characteristic of Ukrainians, from antiquity to the last time” (c).

      How's that? Class! good
      It turns out x-oh-lu-shki is to blame. Laughed laughing
      + for uplifting.
  28. PAC3
    PAC3 April 5 2013 22: 09
    +2
    Immeasurably amuse Russians who are trying to us, Ukrainians, to teach who the Poles are)))
    Guys, we have scores with the Poles since the days of Sagaidachny and Khmelnitsky. So - do not teach us how to live)
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 22: 13
      +1
      Quote: PAC3
      . So - do not teach us how to live)

      "Better help financially" (c) laughing
    2. Aleks28
      Aleks28 April 5 2013 22: 19
      +1
      Quote: PAC3
      Guys, we have had scores with the Poles since the days of Sagaidachny and Khmelnitsky.

      It is seen! wink
      1. opkozak
        opkozak April 5 2013 23: 52
        +4
        Help Pan and Pan. Real master and real lady.
        Kissing a pen is an old-fashioned custom left in Poland and Ukraine. In Russia, unfortunately, he was beaten out after 1917, as was the custom on Sunday to go to church.
        Absolutely nothing, except how about respect for the lady, does not speak.

        By the way, if in the USA you kiss the hand of a stranger, especially a young woman, this can be perceived as sexual harassment. A kiss in the hand of an older woman will say that you are 100% European, and have a mixed interest in the capital of this lady.
      2. Conepatus
        Conepatus April 6 2013 00: 58
        -1
        Polish Jew, sniffing a hand from a Ukrainian Jewess. So what?
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 April 6 2013 01: 11
          0
          Quote: Conepatus
          Polish Jew, sniffing a hand from a Ukrainian Jewess. So what?

          It smells of gas
  29. PAC3
    PAC3 April 5 2013 22: 17
    0
    Quote: Garrin
    [
    "Better help financially" (c) laughing


    yeah) the highest gas price in Europe.
    God forbid from such fraternal help)))))
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 22: 51
      +1
      Quote: PAC3
      yeah) the highest gas price in Europe.
      God forbid from such fraternal help)))))

      Yes, no problem, if only you would face at least once, and not turn your ass. In general, guys, we even near Moscow are not gasified, not to mention the outback. Why are you sobbing?
  30. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 23: 37
    -1
    [quote = morpex]
    Believe me! I’m a man of physical labor and waving more than any guest worker (Definition of a hard worker! What is the Nazis-OST. You should make patches for every hard worker working for the good of your homeland.) Only in contrast to them, I wave here. It would be difficult. ...
    I'm glad for you, but at the expense of the stripes - the point is, it's not the Gestapo (NGD st. Krasnoyarsk) to find fault with Ukraine, no one forced them, the conversation is "for zhist", they will make good money here and leave.
    Surnames. Where are they from. Photos or videos on which they shoot themselves I don’t work in the FSB, it’s just that airplane (from Israel to Moscow) my friend flew.
  31. alexandr00070
    alexandr00070 April 6 2013 02: 08
    +2
    it all looks something like this
    1. Sergey_K
      Sergey_K April 6 2013 02: 32
      +2
      Absolutely right.
  32. Tartary
    Tartary April 6 2013 05: 23
    0
    Quote: opkozak
    An example for Russia. The Finns will remember Karelia, the Germans Koenigsberg, I am generally silent about the Chinese.

    And the Chinese are here at what matters?
    Not only did we liberate them from the Yaps in 1945, but before that, 99,9% of the time of the neighborhood was friends ... And before that, we had a common border along the Stanovoi Range - this is where the Great Chzhurzhensky-Slavic lies, today like a wall of China ...

    Comrade X, at this moment, will be unhappy with the incitement of quarrels between the neighboring brothers ...
    The whole world knows that Russian and Chinese are brothers forever!
    In addition, a bear and a tiger usually do not compete, especially when some of the tigers are our neighbors, and the Ussuri ones are so simple ours (!)
  33. aspirin02
    aspirin02 April 6 2013 14: 22
    0
    That's what, but I'm from Kiev to relatives in Voronezh! =)