Spanish Shame: Blackout as an Indicator of Population’s Preparedness for Crises

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Spanish Shame: Blackout as an Indicator of Population’s Preparedness for Crises


Spanish shame


For about half a dozen years now, a series of crises has kept the population of most countries of the world from relaxing. In 2019, the global epidemic of the COVID-19 coronavirus began, the consequences of which are actually much more serious than many people think, and despite the hype that has died down, it is still far from over.



The loss of interest in COVID-19 largely occurred with the start of the Russian special military operation (SMO) in Ukraine, which continues to this day, and which, given the active intervention of Western countries, could and can always escalate into a global conflict, not to mention the fact that, sensing the approach of the end, The Ukrainian leadership may take extreme measures, for example, sabotaging a nuclear power plant (NPP) in order to then blame Russia for it.

Another event happened unexpectedly - almost all over Spain and partly in Portugal the power went out, and it went out so badly that they couldn't turn it back on for several days. And the main thing is that for a long time no one even understood how it happened - first they blamed hackers, then "abnormal weather conditions", in general - confusion...


And looking at the blackout in Spain as a whole, we can draw several interesting conclusions.

The first is how dependent is a modern state on electricity, less than two days - and it was necessary to introduce a state of emergency, which again brings us back to the question: why, after three years of war in Ukraine, its energy system was not put out of action?

After all, only the lazy have not talked about this, various ways of achieving this goal were considered, we also talked about this back in April 2022 in the material Decomposition of Ukraine as a way to radically reduce the capabilities of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to resist the Russian special operation and in June 2024 in the material When the lights go out: the consequences of the blackout for Ukraine and the Northern Military District.


And the main thing is that there is practically no doubt that this is feasible. But everything is fine with electricity in Ukraine. The question is – why?

The second conclusion is the population’s readiness for this kind of crisis.


As soon as the lights went out, it turned out that Spain was completely unprepared for this. The population has no food, water, or independent lighting sources, they have nothing to cook on, and there is no communication. As a result, huge queues formed in stores, goods were swept off the shelves - the counters were empty, the prices for power banks skyrocketed - in some stores, prices of 12 euros (!) for a power bank were noticed, and it should be borne in mind that they are sold only partially charged, that is, the benefit from them is questionable.


But the power outage lasted less than two days, what would have happened if it had lasted a week or a month? And what if it had lasted longer?

A number of Russian information sources expressed the opinion that Russia is supposedly much better prepared for such troubles, that we survived the 90s.


But is it really?

Let's start with two small examples.

Children of their time


Example 1.
Like most citizens of our country, the author's grandparents lived through World War II and experienced the hardships and privations of wartime. Such experiences form certain patterns of behavior in survivors that stay with them forever.

For example, in our pantry we always had a pot of table salt, a box of laundry soap and a bag of matches – old, Soviet-made ones, with multi-colored heads, in wooden matchboxes. All these were inexpensive basic survival items, available to every Soviet pensioner, which in a crisis situation could really save a life.


Matches are a fire, heating, cooking. Soap is hygiene, during almost all wars and other crises, more people often die from intestinal diseases than from bullets, bombings and hunger. And salt is maintaining the necessary level of electrolytes in the body, and now many do not even know about their existence.

You can be sure that the salt, soap and matches are still in their place, moreover, they have been supplemented with a number of other items that can significantly increase the likelihood of survival in truly crisis situations.

Example 2.
Some time ago, one of the author's friends worked for a fairly large international IT company that came to an untimely end in Russia after the introduction of American sanctions.

Once, in their department, the conversation turned to flashlights – ordinary flashlights that run on batteries or accumulators. So, one of the local characters, one of those who drinks lattes with gluten-free milk in vegan coffee shops, pathetically exclaimed – "...I can't imagine why a flashlight would be needed in our time? Why would one even need one? After all, the iPhone has a flashlight!...".


Once the author happened to see some weirdos who were going to explore the quarries, with a total length of about 40 kilometers, with flashlights in their phones...

In this case, the "flashlight" is something like a litmus test. There is no doubt that the said character has the same opinion about any other objects necessary for survival outside the framework of his basic picture of the world, which is limited to the centers of large cities.

There is also no doubt that in the event of any more or less crisis situation, the said character will find himself without light, water, food, and warm clothes. (Why are they needed if you go from your apartment to an underground garage, then to your car, and then from the underground garage you go up to the office?) and also without shoes suitable for long and comfortable walking and much, much more.

As a result, in the event of any serious crisis, he will not only go to the next world himself, but will also drag his family along with him, to whom he has also instilled the behavior patterns of a “carefree wanderer” who has never had and will never have any serious problems, of course, if you do not include the rise in the cost of a holiday in Goa among them.

Causes and Effects


Of course, the difference in people's behavior, discussed in the two examples above, is mainly due to their life experience. However, man is a learning creature, capable of assimilating the experience of his predecessors?

There has probably not been a single generation in Russia that has not faced some kind of crisis during its lifetime, the most extreme of which was the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent 90s. But it seems that the COVID-19 epidemic and the beginning of the SVO did not make much of an impression on most zoomers, except that after the start of mobilization, some gluten-free specialists rushed to the checkpoints of Verkhniy Lars.

Over the years of relatively peaceful and calm life, many people have developed a persistent message “I should...” This “should” also implies the provision of everything necessary in the event of a crisis, including the start of full-scale military operations using nuclear weapons. weapons - they will take you to a cozy bunker, feed you, give you something to drink, put you to bed...


A significant portion of the population perceives the end of the world as something like this...

So it is not entirely appropriate to appeal to the 90s of the XNUMXth century: “then” and “now” are completely different generations, with different life experiences.

Yes, the further from the capital, the further from the big cities, the higher the adaptability of the majority of the population to crises, but the same can certainly be said about Spain - no one has shown any tragic consequences using the example of rural areas in Spain - only big cities.

But the problem is that urbanization is increasing more and more, and along with it the population’s ability to survive in the event of a crisis is evaporating.

Most of the population does not have food reserves for more than a week, most have no water reserves at all, there are no autonomous sources of light, unless you include smartphones. There is nothing to say about weapons, and the cities are deliberately "stuffed" with wild migrants, who do not have any of the above, but have the ability to unite into diaspora gangs in order to take what they need from others.

In addition to the lack of desire to take any action to increase the likelihood of their own survival and the survival of their loved ones in the event of a crisis, most citizens lack the relevant skills.

In principle, already in the era of the "late" USSR, lessons on basic military training (BMT) and life safety (LS) were of almost no use. The classes were usually taught by retired military personnel who did not give a damn about the subject being taught, and some were already so old that their actions clearly showed senile dementia.

At the same time, if you look at the materials that were supposed to be studied in the above subjects, they were quite adequate, both from the point of view of life safety and from the point of view of basic military training - providing first aid, actions in conditions of chemical or radiation contamination, preparing shelters (trenches, pillboxes), shooting at different types of targets - but this is not literature, where it is enough to read the subject, but practical skills, which, in order to teach them competently, must be be able to apply in practice.


It was quite a good textbook.

It is also worth mentioning that the living conditions of the majority of citizens from the point of view of survival are constantly changing for the worse - new multi-storey buildings without gasification, with pumps necessary for lifting water to the upper floors, with elevators, will turn into traps in the event of problems with the infrastructure - we previously talked about this in the material Surviving a Nuclear Apocalypse: Low-Rise Development vs. "Human Anthills".

Two articles have been circulating on the Internet for a long time now – one talks about survival during the economic crisis in Argentina, the other about survival during military operations in Sarajevo.

So, the first one is closer in meaning to the survival of the poor in the 90s of the last century in Russia, but the second one is closer to the situation in which our fellow citizens found themselves on the borders of the former Empire, where the levers of regional conflicts flared up, as well as those who were “lucky” enough to end up in the former Soviet republics during the collapse of the USSR - perhaps they could well be included in the school curriculum, although it is unlikely that this would have a significant impact on the younger generation, who grew up in “hothouse” conditions.

Conclusions


The blackout in Spain is just a “litmus test” – a minor example of the problems that will arise in civilized countries in the event of any collapse of infrastructure, in the event of epidemics, wars or other serious incidents.

You shouldn't count on things being much better in Russia either - if they are, it won't be much, especially in the big cities. Appealing to our "militant" past no longer works, the period of survival of the 90s was more than a quarter of a century ago, and new generations grew up in "hothouse" conditions. It will be very difficult to reverse this situation, and in our conditions of show-off and IBD (imitation of vigorous activity) It is hardly possible at all from the officials' side.

Good news are that survival largely depends on each of us - think about yourself and your loved ones in advance, and your chances of survival will increase dramatically, there is nothing complicated about it.
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  1. +3
    5 May 2025 05: 18
    This already happened in Moscow, when the power went out, and not for a couple of days, our power engineers dealt with it much more quickly, transport stopped, people were hitchhiking, the airport stopped, and off we went, and the shelves started to be swept away, it’s unlikely that anything has changed since then...
    1. +2
      5 May 2025 16: 29
      The first is how dependent is a modern state on electricity, less than two days - and it was necessary to introduce a state of emergency, which again brings us back to the question: why, after three years of war in Ukraine, its energy system was not put out of action?

      Apparently, because the goals are different feel
      Well... that is, not to win, but to come to an agreement wassat
      That is, to win, as it were... but a little, so much so that we can come to an agreement later...
      However, these are all assumptions; time and results will reveal the truth...
    2. +1
      5 May 2025 18: 31
      Fire at the Chaginskaya substation, early 2000s
    3. 0
      5 May 2025 21: 22
      Just half a day. It was May 2005, my "last call". The shops were paralyzed, as was transport... But by evening everything was restored.
  2. +9
    5 May 2025 05: 24
    "Another unexpected event occurred - the power went out in almost all of Spain and part of Portugal, and it went out so badly that they couldn't turn it back on for several days."
    The blackout lasted about 18 hours, no need to lie.
    1. +3
      5 May 2025 09: 00
      her2100, you are right. In some places, light appeared after 12 hours.
      But the author correctly mentions the reserves. Without food a person can live even more than two weeks, without water ~ 3 days.
      Of course, ideally you need to have your own well. A mobile power unit. But it can't help for long. I advise you to read the book Malvil by Robert Melve. And even if it's fiction, this has never happened, but it describes what and how you will need to live. First and secondly, this is a supply of food and weapons, and thirdly, discipline among the group of people who managed to survive. Without discipline, without a good leader, anarchy appears, and there (with anarchy) everyone is for himself.
      1. 0
        7 May 2025 08: 36
        We have import substitution, so we throw out imported Melve.
        Better yet, Alexey Doronin’s book “Black Day” is precisely about Russian specifics.
        1. 0
          7 May 2025 09: 12
          I haven't heard of such a book. But thanks, I'll look for it.
        2. 0
          7 May 2025 23: 41
          Cycle "Black Day". Doronin Alexey Alexeevich. not completed as of February 11, 2020
          A post-nuclear novel in twelve volumes, nine of which have been published.

          Nine volumes...
          Lev Nikolaevich is jealous...
          1. 0
            8 May 2025 11: 04
            It's worth reading. The first books.
      2. 0
        7 May 2025 15: 23
        Malville is great. But it's rural, sparsely populated and has large reserves of its own.
        Regarding the Marauder cities, Berkem al Atom is much more suitable.
  3. +5
    5 May 2025 05: 37
    Blackout as an indicator of population readiness for crises
    Well, it would be more appropriate to consider the issue of the state's readiness for such crises. And then they quietly released Chubys abroad - the former head of RAO UES of Russia, who knows very well about the most painful points of our energy system. That network, the person - the bearer of state secrets of the highest level. And nothing - on the contrary, the very top deigned to be mockingly surprised. Well, and the fact that soon all sorts of crap began to happen with the energy sector in the country (the most famous case is this very, God forgive me, blackout in Primorye) - well, that, of course, is a coincidence. And how many of these Chubais have left the country, capable of arranging for the people (not the state! the state, judging by the ease with which it releases such figures, does not give a damn about this) albeit local, but crises?
    Therefore, the question is extremely interesting: is the government going to do anything at all to prevent such crises?
  4. +6
    5 May 2025 05: 38
    Now the dependence on electricity is very high. This includes the supply of water and heat. The transfer of control to digital is also subject to many dangers. There is no desire to switch to an analog system. And digital can become prey for a competent hacker. Here one thing leads to another. An avalanche.
    1. +1
      5 May 2025 21: 59
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      Nowadays the dependence on electricity is very high.

      the simplest. ATMs are not working. There is money, but it is on cards. There is no electricity, which means there is no money. Cash is needed. Needed immediately! Matches and soap are all clear, but that is later, in a week.
      1. -1
        7 May 2025 15: 25
        Money should be kept in banks.
        Rubles in three-liter bottles. Currency in liter bottles.
        And be sure to screw the lids tightly so they don't get moldy.
  5. +6
    5 May 2025 06: 42
    The problem is that storing matches, candles, soap, cereals, etc. is a completely natural phenomenon for our generation and the generation of our grandmothers. But today's youth has somehow already gotten out of the habit of the fact that there may not be something in the stores. wink
    1. +6
      5 May 2025 07: 08
      Ha, shops. Now living in a house with a shop, they order courier delivery from the same shop, and some even refuse home refrigerators in favor of daily delivery.
      1. +3
        5 May 2025 10: 41
        Quote: JcVai
        Home refrigerators are being abandoned in favor of daily delivery.
        One builder told me that he knows of several apartments in the city (Sochi) where the kitchens have been eliminated as unnecessary (converted into living rooms)
        1. 0
          7 May 2025 15: 27
          Not only in Sochi. Many places. Coffee machine plus a small microwave for breakfast. And that's it.
      2. 0
        5 May 2025 12: 05
        delivery is expensive, not everyone can afford it
        1. -1
          5 May 2025 17: 42
          How is this possible? Our welfare has improved 8 times.
        2. 0
          6 May 2025 17: 52
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          delivery is expensive, not everyone can afford it

          Excuse me, but where are you, approximately? In a city, a village? hi
          1. 0
            7 May 2025 07: 35
            city ​​of Sochi, goods in delivery are more expensive than in the supermarket and about the scooter in general, food is very expensive
            1. 0
              7 May 2025 10: 48
              hi unexpectedly. In St. Petersburg, free delivery in different online grocery stores starts from different fixed amounts. Mostly from 2000-3500 rubles. But there are, for example, where it starts from 600 rubles. So there everything is 1,5 times more expensive. True, these are all these rules, if within the ring road. Beyond it--- everything is paid and more expensive
              1. +1
                7 May 2025 11: 26
                well and we have more expensive, only there are no fixed amounts, only free delivery if for example from 2000, so why unexpectedly? everything is expensive that's why they don't use it, well sometimes like pizza or sushi order once a month
                1. 0
                  7 May 2025 13: 43
                  What else is unexpected for me --- Samokat is considered inexpensive. That's it. Our Samokat is cheaper than yours? recourse And it’s expensive, for example, in VkusVil: request Well, it's expensive in farms. I see.
                  1. +1
                    7 May 2025 13: 49
                    even in 5 or Magnit online it is more expensive because delivery is included or discounts
                    1. 0
                      7 May 2025 14: 09
                      I'm trying to understand how prices are in big cities and in the outskirts. But you have ---- a resort. In general, if you go online, it's cheaper than going in person. But --- somewhere there are discounts for pensioners in person. But not on everything. I'm far from retirement. And there are good stores in the region. Good products. Mom was very surprised when she found a store in the region that delivers to our city without any problems at normal prices. But there are also wholesale stores where delivery starts from 15000₽ or some other rules.
                      1. +1
                        7 May 2025 15: 13
                        I'll use Pyaterochka as an example, they have free delivery from 1500, and everything would be fine, only the prices for the same product differ, somewhere around 30% more online than going in person, so they come up with discounts of 10-15%, as a result it's expensive and the quality is the same, here I chose the same potatoes myself and here they gave me what
                      2. 0
                        7 May 2025 16: 00
                        Quote: Nastia Makarova
                        ..... I chose the same potatoes myself and then what they gave me

                        We have been buying from online stores for 5-6 years now. Basically, there are no complaints about the quality. But sometimes something was wrong. We either called them on the phone or sent them a photo by email. They immediately returned the money. At the same time, my sister herself wants to touch and look at everything and constantly complains that she will either bring some kind of rot or will not notice something else wrong. At the same time, she says that she does not save money. request Unclear
                      3. 0
                        7 May 2025 16: 03
                        in which online stores? it is cheaper to go to the store here
                      4. 0
                        7 May 2025 16: 05
                        Mostly in Perekrestok. And the rest ---- they are only ours, for St. Petersburg or the region. Sometimes, though rarely, in Vkusvil
    2. +12
      5 May 2025 08: 38
      But that's what we, old men, are for. Personally, I have a small stove with all the attributes, a 2 kW generator, a solar station, dry rations and a whole cupboard of all sorts of small things from dry rations and a kerosene lamp with a primus stove to several flints and a box of tablets for disinfecting water... I get scared myself, looking in there. Are you saying paranoia? Maybe so - but I have 100 km to NATO and looking at the unfolding events I feel somehow uneasy... Well, I'll go to the front, by the way - also with everything, but what about the grandchildren and my wife? So for three years now I've been spending a significant part of my income on all sorts of things like that. Because you're right - there's no hope for the young, the survival potential is close to zero.
      1. +4
        5 May 2025 08: 49
        Quote: paul3390
        Say paranoia?
        Normal phenomenon. I have the same thing, except for solar panels and a potbelly stove. wink
        1. +5
          5 May 2025 08: 53
          drinks
          But it's a shame - it can be sad without a stove... And it doesn't cost much, you just need pipes with all the bends and a mushroom. And a roll of fireproof fabric. I even bought a carbon monoxide detector for it... Just in case. And about five different power banks...
          1. +6
            5 May 2025 11: 11
            Quote: paul3390
            It can be sad without a stove...
            This is if you live in a private house. I live in a panel house on the fifth floor and I cannot afford such luxury as a potbelly stove. But once in winter I sat without water, heating and electricity for 3 weeks (Sochi) and since then I have been trying to make the apartment at least a little autonomous. As for water and heating - this will not work, but as for electricity, there are options: on the south side of the apartment outside the window there is a 410-watt solar panel, a 3 kW inverter, a battery (lithium iron phosphate) for 100 A / h. When the power is turned off (lately this rarely happens), the machine (ATS) switches all electrical equipment of the apartment to the inverter with the battery (+ power supply from the solar battery). If I am sitting in front of the TV or computer, the transition to autonomous power supply may not even notice.
            Well, and just in case, there is a primus stove in the apartment.
            1. 0
              5 May 2025 11: 34
              Maybe a kerosene stove, not a primus stove?) Where can I find a primus stove now?
              1. +2
                5 May 2025 11: 38
                Quote: Sergej1972
                Maybe a kerosene stove, not a primus stove?) Where can I find a primus stove now?
                Here's a
                Petrol stove "Shmel"

                Now, it’s probably more profitable to buy something tourist-oriented, gas-powered.
                1. 0
                  5 May 2025 11: 40
                  It seems to me that kerosene stove is a more suitable thing. The main thing is that there is kerosene.
                  1. +2
                    5 May 2025 11: 45
                    Quote: Sergej1972
                    The main thing is to have kerosene.
                    And I remember the times when a car, like a fuel tanker, only with kerosene, drove around our village (Dagomys). They sold kerosene like kvass, on tap. There was a decent line of people with canisters.
                    1. +1
                      6 May 2025 17: 56
                      Quote: Bad_gr
                      Quote: Sergej1972
                      The main thing is to have kerosene.
                      And I remember the times when a car, like a fuel tanker, only with kerosene, drove around our village (Dagomys). They sold kerosene like kvass, on tap. There was a decent line of people with canisters.
                      Something similar came to mind from my distant childhood. recourse In the Far East. But there they also brought water to houses in such tanks. It was
                  2. 0
                    7 May 2025 15: 33
                    The best fuel is diesel fuel. It will disappear last. That's why you need a device that works on diesel fuel.
                2. +2
                  5 May 2025 18: 04
                  Quote: Bad_gr
                  Now, it’s probably more profitable to buy something tourist-oriented, gas-powered.

                  You guessed wrong. This fierce hardcore on its gasoline will work at any negative temperature, but you will heat up the gas cylinder for a long time, probably by friction. And most likely without success.
                  The simplest comparison: have you ever used a gas lighter and a petrol Zippo in the cold?
            2. 0
              7 May 2025 15: 31
              In your neighboring Abkhazia, about 20 years ago I saw stove pipes sticking out of the windows of 16-story buildings. And not from 1 or 2, but from half the windows. So the 5th floor is nothing.
      2. +1
        5 May 2025 22: 11
        Quote: paul3390
        Say paranoia? Maybe so - but I have 100 km to NATO and looking at the unfolding events I feel somehow uneasy...

        You are doing everything right. I remember the events of 2014. Sevastopol. February. Ukrainian banks left, having stolen all the money of Crimeans and Sevastopol residents. People have little cash on hand. Ukrainian bank ATMs do not work. There is a mess with electricity and gas. That is, then there is no. It is cold and dark in the houses. The pricing in the stores is unclear. I am standing in line at the grocery store. A line. People are unsmiling, tense... An old lady in front is buying three kilos of salted lard and ten kilos of flour, three liters of vegetable oil (you can make smokehouses). She turns around and says. "Strategic reserve." The people smile. They nod approvingly. That's it... The same experience. Cheap, nutritious, can be stretched out for some time.
      3. 0
        7 May 2025 17: 12
        Quote: paul3390
        But that's what we, old people, are for. Personally, I have a potbelly stove with all the attributes, a 2 kW generator, a solar station, dry rations and a whole cupboard of all sorts of small stuff from dry rations and a kerosene lamp with a primus stove to several fire starters and a box of tablets for disinfecting water... I get scared myself when I look in there. Are you saying it's paranoia?

        I'll say this - not the worst thing to do in retirement, preparing for the "end of the world", especially when there's nothing else to do - you can't just drink all day long... it's bad that pensioners have been brought to this, with their propaganda "enemies are everywhere"... my mother also prepares for some kind of "end of the world" every year - almost every time for a different one, the last couple of years for a war with NATO... With respect hi
  6. +1
    5 May 2025 06: 53
    Under capitalism there is no "I am owed". Energy companies are incurring losses, they will restore everything quickly and everything will be fine. Yes
    The same with matches, salt, etc. fellow
    1. +6
      5 May 2025 07: 11
      Quite controversial. At least for energy companies.
      Do you know many cases with competing energy companies, where if one does not fix the problem within a week, the clients go to the other? At least the emerging cases, when monopolies start to move only after kicks from state control and punishment services, are very indicative.
      1. +2
        5 May 2025 08: 51
        . Quite controversial. At least for energy companies.
        Do you know many cases with competing energy companies, where if one does not fix the problem within a week, the clients go to the other? At least the emerging cases, when monopolies start to move only after kicks from state control and punishment services, are very indicative.

        The meter is not running - there is no money. laughing
        1. +1
          6 May 2025 16: 13
          The meter is not running - there is no money.

          it's not obvious at all: Chubysh has already been mentioned here - it was he who divided the existing order in energy supply, for example, one structure collects money, another - not connected with it - is responsible for "transporting" energy to the consumer, a third - generates energy... and those who receive money are "in chocolate", and the rest - whoever...
          so your statement was true during the USSR...
          1. 0
            6 May 2025 17: 57
            it's not obvious at all: Chubysh has already been mentioned here - it was he who divided the existing order in energy supply, for example, one structure collects money, another - not connected with it - is responsible for "transporting" energy to the consumer, a third - generates energy... and those who receive money are "in chocolate", and the rest - whoever...
            so your statement was true during the USSR...

            There is no such thing. In terms of money, they are all tied to your receipt.

            Mitrofanov told about what it was like under the USSR in his article.
            It was then that his ancestors were taught to stock up on matches, soap and salt.laughing
      2. -1
        5 May 2025 16: 37
        Quote: JcVai
        Quite controversial. At least for energy companies.
        Do you know many cases with competing energy companies, where if one does not fix the problem within a week, the clients go to the other? At least the emerging cases, when monopolies start to move only after kicks from state control and punishment services, are very indicative.

        Your opponent is from Germany - so what he writes is true. For Germany....
      3. 0
        6 May 2025 17: 50
        Quite controversial. At least for energy companies.
        Do you know many cases with competing energy companies, where if one does not fix the problem within a week, the clients go to the other? At least the emerging cases, when monopolies start to move only after kicks from state control and punishment services, are very indicative.

        You are the head of the city energy company. Private. The area is cut off. The meters are down. They have been standing for a month. How much will the consumers pay you? That's right, 0. laughing
        It is in the interests of companies to restore power supply as quickly as possible; they live on electricity.

        Socialism is another matter. During the war, energy will be transferred to factories, and you need to have time to buy a kerosene stove. wink
        1. +1
          7 May 2025 11: 38
          "Not everything is so simple."
          Under capitalism (which we have now), if meters are installed in a small town (not a metropolis), I (as a conditional head of energy supplies), in fact, don't care if my management doesn't live there. But if it's in a large city or, even worse, a factory, then yes, we will promptly fix it even with temporary losses for urgent purchases of the missing items. And let the residents of small towns wait until the replacement components, made at a minimum cost, are manufactured, delivered and installed. Or kick the authorities so that they put pressure on the power engineers.
          But under socialism, even if there are 3 houses in a village, they immediately run in, because people are a priority over profit.
          As for the war on one's own territory - here both capitalism and socialism will act similarly, because militocracy - the military rules until the end.
    2. 0
      6 May 2025 17: 59
      Quote: Arzt
      Under capitalism there is no "I am owed". Energy companies are incurring losses, they will restore everything quickly and everything will be fine. Yes
      The same with matches, salt, etc. fellow

      Will they restore it quickly? Yes! And for this speed it will be 5 times more expensive
  7. +1
    5 May 2025 07: 18
    In addition to a flashlight, it would be good to have a kerosene lamp at home. I recently saw lighting kerosene on sale. The industry has started producing it again. You can fill a lamp with it. And before that, there was aviation kerosene in bottles in the store. It smokes and is not suitable for a lamp or for a kerosene stove, on which you can cook food.
    Those who live in tall buildings are in trouble. According to standards, gas is only supplied to floors 9-10. Higher buildings already have electric stoves. In apartments, you need to have a small gas cylinder with a stove or a kerosene stove. And in such cases, it is better to go straight to the dacha or to the village (if you have one). It is easier to survive a blackout there.
    1. +2
      5 May 2025 08: 45
      As for the dacha or the village - it's a moot point. What do you think - what will the millions of urgently needed migrant workers do immediately in the case of the Great Atatouille? That's it. And hardly anyone will defend gardening and villages... There will be no time for that.
      1. -3
        5 May 2025 16: 49
        Quote: paul3390
        What will millions of migrant workers immediately do in the event of the Great Atatouille? That's it.

        It's just intriguing - and than?
        All the electrics will become a gift to no one, cars will be abandoned without gasoline, food supplies - and in large cities the population does not have them in principle.
        Money? PAPER, in the case of the Great Atatouille.
        What else can you rob in the city?
        Oh, I forgot - some part of the local population will start doing the same thing that you assume migrants will do - competition....
        And oh - residual radiation in cities after the Big Statue.......

        So it's like US they didn’t have to go to Tajikistan as migrant workers - the US definitely won’t hit them with nuclear weapons.
        1. +1
          5 May 2025 17: 40
          In large cities, the population doesn't have them in principle

          Actually, the conversation wasn't about the city...
          1. 0
            5 May 2025 21: 25
            Quote: paul3390
            In large cities, the population doesn't have them in principle

            Actually, the conversation wasn't about the city...

            And in the villages there is no police or army, there are no migrant workers in Moscow volumes either, so it will be fun for the citizens who come individually.
        2. 0
          5 May 2025 18: 13
          Quote: your1970
          What else can you rob in the city?

          In the case of the large Atatouille, first and foremost, gun shops.
          Quote: your1970
          the car will be abandoned without gas,

          Vehicles (mobility) with a fuel reserve are second in need.
          1. 0
            5 May 2025 21: 29
            Quote: Adrey
            In the case of the large Atatouille, first and foremost, gun shops.
            -the number of trunks there is very limited

            Quote: Adrey
            Vehicles (mobility) with a fuel reserve are second in need.
            - there are no large fuel reserves in the cities

            read less Berkem lol
            1. 0
              6 May 2025 07: 04
              Quote: your1970
              -the number of trunks there is very limited

              You don't need a lot, the main thing is to have enough ammunition.
              Quote: your1970
              - there are no large fuel reserves in the cities

              You can always find half a ton or a ton at the nearest gas station.
              read less Berkem

              I have not read this request
              1. +4
                6 May 2025 07: 32
                Quote: Adrey
                You don't need a lot, the main thing is to have enough ammunition.

                Since you are not the only one, there will certainly not be enough ammo in the ormags lol The sellers and owners will steal them themselves, without waiting for you.
                Quote: Adrey
                You can always find half a ton or a ton at the nearest gas station.

                Do you have a half-ton container and a vehicle to take it away right now? And in an hour there will be nothing there - small supplies + a crowd of people running up.
                Quote: Adrey
                I have not read this belay belay belay (????)

                HmSic transit gloria mundi...
                And once upon a time Berkem Al Atom was famous among fans of Post-Apocalypse....
                I looked at the release date of "Marauder". - 20 years have passed. belay . It's brutal, almost a third of my life...
                1. 0
                  7 May 2025 00: 19
                  Quote: your1970
                  The sellers and owners will steal them themselves, without waiting for you.

                  So you have to keep up request wassat
                  Quote: your1970
                  Do you have a half-ton container with you and a vehicle to take it away right now?

                  A plastic cube is not a problem, a trailer is the same. I have one.
                  Quote: your1970
                  And once upon a time Berkem Al Atom was famous among fans of Post-Apocalypse....
                  I looked at the release date of "Marauder". - 20 years have passed. Horrible, almost a third of my life...

                  request Somehow it passed me by. I guess I'll fill in the gap in my spare time. hi
                  1. +1
                    7 May 2025 05: 54
                    Quote: Adrey
                    So you have to keep up

                    In 5 places simultaneously- home for a trailer, to the grocery store, to the gas station, to the grocery store, to the pharmacy?
                    Oh well.....
                    Quote: Adrey
                    A plastic cube is not a problem, a trailer is the same. I have one.

                    Transporting gasoline in plastic is fraught with static. Gasoline tankers are grounded for a reason. And plastic will give static - even when you scoop up gasoline with a bucket (there is no light or gas station!!!).
                    1. 0
                      7 May 2025 10: 20
                      Quote: your1970
                      To 5 places at once - home for a trailer, to the grocery store, to the gas station, to the grocery store, to the pharmacy?

                      And who will have it easy then? laughing
                      Okay. Let's finish. The topic of survival in the post-apocalypse is vast. Thanks for the conversation hi
      2. 0
        5 May 2025 17: 22
        Quote: paul3390
        .....- what will millions of urgently needed migrant workers do immediately in the event of the Great Atatouille? .....

        Yes, Pavel. We have plenty of them in our region. Both in gardens and in human anthills.
      3. P
        +1
        5 May 2025 23: 47
        two men with guns on the access road in ambush can immediately cause irreparable damage to the gang. But you need to live in a garden community with one or two entrances, organize duty and remove enemy agents
    2. +7
      5 May 2025 09: 16
      And it is better in such cases to go straight to the dacha or to the village (if you have one). It is easier to survive a blackout there.
      And immediately two questions arise.
      1. How do you know that the blackout is not for a couple of hours, but for two (for example) days?
      2. Have you ever tried to drive around a city in conditions even remotely close to what happened in Spain? Leaving the city can be a very big problem.
      1. 0
        6 May 2025 18: 18
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        ......2. Have you ever tried to drive around the city in conditions even minimally similar to what happened in Spain? Leaving the city can be a very big problem.
        Have a nice day, Anton. hi The connection and everything else will fail accordingly. I remember, there was a blackout in 2008 or 2009. But not everywhere. It was bad in the center, in Kupchino too. But in our area they somehow quickly turned it on
    3. 0
      5 May 2025 11: 36
      In the village, relatives had both kerosene stoves and kerosene gas stoves. Kerosene gas stoves are many times more productive, although they also take up more space.
    4. 0
      5 May 2025 16: 38
      Quote: Eugen 62
      According to standards, gas is supplied only up to the 9th-10th floors.

      Gas has been excluded for at least 15 years for new buildings of ANY number of storeys
    5. 0
      5 May 2025 21: 28
      God forbid this cylinder explodes in the apartment during a fire!! belay
  8. +3
    5 May 2025 07: 38
    That is, "the drowning man's salvation is the drowning man's own doing"? It is clear that something needs to be in reserve, but you can't stock up for more than a week. And it is impossible to survive for a long time in the city in case of infrastructure collapse. This is not a village, where even now the majority of the population is self-sufficient. It is for such cases that the Ministry of Emergency Situations was created, which the author for some reason kept silent about.
    1. +1
      5 May 2025 11: 38
      My village relatives have no self-sufficiency. The absence of electricity for several days would have catastrophic consequences for them.
      1. +1
        5 May 2025 12: 38
        Mine (cousins) only survive on subsistence farming now, yes, there is electricity and running water, but there is also a well and a Chinese 10 kW diesel generator, since before their electricity was often cut off. What they grow and sell, that's what they live on. State farm back in the late 90s ⚰️.
        1. 0
          5 May 2025 14: 08
          Well, I guess they live in the middle of nowhere?
          1. +1
            5 May 2025 14: 09
            Chita region, village Unda
            1. 0
              5 May 2025 14: 24
              Well, mine are in Central Russia, at the junction of the Non-Black Earth Region and the Black Earth Region, in the Oryol region, some 50-70, some 100-120 km from the regional center.
    2. P
      0
      5 May 2025 23: 49
      It is easy to stock up on cereals. Anyone can fill a bathtub with water right away. Filters and gas are available to absolutely everyone. All this is cheap, but requires some organization.
  9. +3
    5 May 2025 07: 50
    The Spanish shame is the weekly rise in food prices, potatoes at 100 rubles a kg, imported, our own are gone. During the Second World War, the Allies did not bomb those enterprises on German territory in which the capital of the USA and Great Britain was invested.
    1. Fat
      +1
      5 May 2025 08: 53
      Shakhnazarov called it much more succinctly - surrealism... And what? It really is similar. "Madonna of Port Lligat" and "Premonition of Civil War"... And the crooked "Flowering Time".
    2. +4
      5 May 2025 21: 31
      I looked at the neighboring 5-ka out of curiosity - the potatoes are Egyptian. The radishes and carrots are Israeli, the lettuce and cabbage are Iranian. The guarantor was talking about food security, and the fields of the former local state farm are overgrown with wormwood. The cabbage is Iranian, *Roskomnadzor*!
  10. +1
    5 May 2025 10: 14
    In November-December 1996 I was on a business trip to Shymkent (Kazakhstan). A large city with a population of about 600 thousand. So there was no electricity in the residential areas at all during these two months! Heating, telephone communication, TV were also absent. Surprisingly, none of the locals, and I too, did not panic. Everything was endured simply stoically. Soviet preparation for overcoming any difficulties - worked! Probably now such fortitude is no longer possible - we have changed.
    1. +1
      5 May 2025 11: 02
      In the winter of 1995-1996 it was all over Kazakhstan, I lived in Karaganda at that time. The voltage in the network was about 180 V due to overload, I measured it myself, everything was heated by heaters, food was often cooked on fires in the yards. It was even on TV, trees were cut down in the parks. The refrigerator did not start, but the TV worked, two years before that I bought Akai, made a tile with a nichrome spiral from bricks and a heater from it. When the water supply froze, we went to my parents' private house on the outskirts of the city, there we lived almost the entire winter. As they say, there is experience of a mini post-apocalypse.
    2. P
      0
      5 May 2025 23: 50
      sufficient amounts of cash on hand. This will not happen now
  11. +1
    5 May 2025 10: 18
    If you analyze everything that can happen, natural disasters, wars, etc., what is needed from reserves and for how long. What is the period of autonomous survival? This is at least from a month to two. During this time, the state usually copes with the problems that have arisen. This includes providing food and nutrition, including field kitchens and canteens.
    Water supply for at least three days 40-50 liters of water in a flask or canisters. Gas camping stove with 5-10 gas cylinders. Canned food, cereals, pasta, vegetable oil, flour, cookies, biscuits, sugar, salt that do not require a refrigerator with a consumption rate of one to two months. Flashlight with a hand dynamo. If there is a simple potbelly stove with pipes in the window, this will be very good, especially if there are children. Products can be consumed according to their expiration date, then buy fresh ones so that the supply does not decrease.
    All this is from world experience, of course it is difficult to stock up for a year because it is hard to believe that, for example, the blockade of Leningrad or the capture of the Kursk region by Bandera supporters will be repeated. soldier
  12. +4
    5 May 2025 12: 17
    Dear forum members. The power grids in our country are completely worn out. And the loads have increased since they were put into operation. Yazhematsi don't care if the accident can't be fixed in 5 minutes. That the teams are working, people are called in their free time to eliminate the problem. And the calls from consumers are annoying - my fish are dying in the aquarium, what are you doing, when will the electricity be back on, etc. The icing on the cake - "I will complain." Such calls will not do anything faster. But adequate people, if they saw, for example, a flash on a power line somewhere - they report it and they do the right thing. The faster the location of the damage is determined, the faster it will be localized and the power supply restored according to the backup scheme.
  13. +5
    5 May 2025 12: 33
    Everything written by the author is well known and banal. But the unification of migrants into groups, gangs and other organized formations is a real threat. And it is relatively new and every day this threat becomes stronger in the event of the above events.
  14. BAI
    +3
    5 May 2025 14: 35
    Well, now from May 1 to May 5 in some areas of the Moscow and Vladimir regions, and maybe others, there was no electricity - snow and fallen trees tore down the wires. In the Sergiev Posad region, a family of 3 people (60, 63 and 92 years old) died. They tried to light a fireplace to warm up, and got carbon monoxide poisoning, because they had already forgotten how to use it.
    Are we ready for the shutdown?
    In Spain it's bigger. And no one died.
  15. 0
    5 May 2025 14: 47
    as Drobyshevsky says: nothing personal, simple evolution. whoever could, survived, the dead weight was eliminated... So in the 90s, those who were used to honestly pulling the strap "for the idea" were eliminated. now "managers, lawyers, accountants" of whom there were countless numbers are starting to be eliminated. How to survive, at least once, everyone thought about, but this skill needs to be developed and kept in "good shape" and in the "urban rhythm" for this you need to perform a bunch of targeted actions, which most are simply too lazy. Elementary, the choice is to walk a couple of stops or go by transport? Answer yourself the question... Here are all the thoughts about survival.
  16. 0
    5 May 2025 16: 09
    which brings us back to the question: why, after three years of war in Ukraine, has its energy system not been disabled?

    There is no order. request
    1. 0
      5 May 2025 21: 49
      Quote: Hitriy Zhuk
      which brings us back to the question: why, after three years of war in Ukraine, has its energy system not been disabled?

      There is no order. request

      7 May 2024, 18: 28
      "Europe lacks the transformers it needs to modernize its electric power industry. Modernization is needed to increase renewable energy capacity, but it cannot be done without transformers. The problem is that all the "reserves" of transformers have gone to Ukraine: Brussels has sent more to Kyiv since 2022 2700 transformers."
  17. 0
    5 May 2025 17: 38
    According to my observations since the 90s, only a third of men have managed to achieve one of their life goals - "to build their own house" (many do not even realize what it is, since they are used to buying ready-made ones). Autonomous energy is not within everyone's power, and its maintenance requires extraordinary training (lawyers and economists cannot cope).
    1. 0
      6 May 2025 11: 19
      Quote: LuzinI
      Autonomous energy

      What kind of nonsense is this?
      If it’s a generator, it’s not very autonomous; a fuel truck has to come to you.
      If the panels are solar, then they are for Africa and other Thailands, in our latitudes they are ineffective.

      Even just your own home (or even a summer house) is a pit for dumping energy, time, and money, not to mention complex systems like energy generation in it.
  18. +1
    5 May 2025 17: 56
    Matches are a fire, heating, cooking

    I have had a mistrust of matches for some time now. In my opinion, it is much more reliable to have a flint or piezo lighter.
  19. 0
    5 May 2025 18: 08
    Every year we have either a flood, or a blackout, or freezing rain. I remember once in winter we sat for two weeks without heating, any water or communication. But of course this is not the case everywhere. We need to conduct training more often)
  20. +1
    5 May 2025 20: 39
    And how does green energy taste?
  21. +1
    5 May 2025 20: 41
    We are no better off in this regard. According to media reports:


    Due to heavy snowfall on May 1, thousands of residents of the Moscow region were left without electricity
    "Dmitrovsky district, Iksha settlement, SNT Dzerzhinets. It's been five days without electricity and water. Nobody is doing anything, they want money for restoration work.
  22. P
    0
    5 May 2025 23: 55
    portable solar batteries will provide a minimum charge for communication and powering pocket devices. Electronic books on electronic ink will provide safe leisure, huge libraries in one _!extremely!_ autonomous device
  23. 0
    7 May 2025 11: 36
    From our history, this is the siege of Leningrad, about which much is still classified secret, much is taboo. In general, the topic touched upon in the article is well covered by the book "Wooden Bread" by Pavel Kucher.
  24. -1
    8 May 2025 12: 13
    Quote: Bad_gr
    Quote: Sergej1972
    Maybe a kerosene stove, not a primus stove?) Where can I find a primus stove now?
    Here's a
    Petrol stove "Shmel"

    Now, it’s probably more profitable to buy something tourist-oriented, gas-powered.

    Be careful with advice! It may be more profitable. Maybe the quality has improved since the USSR (and it comes from there), but back then it was a very dangerous thing that was categorically not recommended for use in a tent (but we used it).
    When the device overheated, the release of gasoline vapors through the safety valve near the burner led to the MOST unfortunate consequences.
  25. 0
    10 May 2025 00: 49
    But everything is fine with electricity in Ukraine. The question is – why?
    Flaw