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Syrian tumor

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Syrian tumorCivil war metastases


The civil war in Syria is far from over, unless, of course, there are any events that radically change the balance of forces and the nature of the fighting. Nevertheless, two years of armed confrontation allow us to sum up some preliminary results.

Of course, it would be incorrect to say that in Syria the Sunni majority is fighting with the Alawite minority. Most of the population generally tries to avoid participation in hostilities. However, it should be noted that it is the Alawites and the Shiites who make up the main base of the Assad regime. At the same time, many Sunnis support the rebels, although among the Arabs and among the Kurds of the Sunni religion there are supporters of Assad.

Loyalist Army

If we talk about the Syrian Arab army, the president, of course, first of all can count on elite formations, in the structure of which the Alawites predominate. (In the structure of “elite” units, the Alawite’s share is significant, but almost never “prevails.” - Ed.) They are equipped with the most modern equipment, well equipped and trained (we are talking about the Republican Guard, 4th tank divisions and regiments of commandos as part of special forces, 14th and 15th divisions). At the initial stage of the conflict, these formations played the role of a “fire brigade”, reinforcing the “territorial” divisions, which made it possible to achieve important successes, for example, significantly limiting the activity of rebels in Homs. However, doubting the loyalty of the capital’s population (the “population of the capital” does not pose a threat to the armed forces at all, the terrorist gangs pose a threat with the corresponding consequences for the capital. - Ed.), The authorities were afraid to use the “Alavite” divisions to defeat their opponents in remote regions . And although last summer the loyalists managed to repel an attack on the suburbs and outskirts of Damascus, the elite units have since practically not left the capital. As a result, government forces were never able to drive the rebels out of Aleppo. Moreover, even in the vicinity of the capital, the Assad regime is ready to devote only moderate forces to combat operations. In this sense, the battle for Deraia (more precisely, for its ruins) is very indicative. During a three-month assault, the loyalist forces could not establish control over this small town on the outskirts of Damascus, in the immediate vicinity of the Mezzeh air base.

So, the elite formations in the Syrian army are few, the rest of the army units and formations, as, indeed, the Alawite militia "Shabiha" ("Shabiha" - mean between the militia and the gang - a word meaning the most different militia self-defense units, which the government allowed to create not only Alawites, but also Christians, Shiites and even Sunnis, and who, as always in civil wars, to some extent “break away” from narrow self-defense tasks. “Shabih” is the subject of folklore widely fanned anti-Assad propaganda for intimidation and misinformation of people in Syria and abroad. - Ed.), can only perform passive tasks, such as the defense of populated areas, where the population loyal to the regime prevails, the protection of military bases, roadblocks, supply columns and strong points near the besieged cities.

Rate on tanks

Of course, the Syrian Arab army has significant reserves of heavy weapons. These are armored vehicles (tanks and infantry fighting vehicles), artillery (towed and self-propelled guns, OTRK, Soviet heavy mortars and large-caliber Iranian NAR) and aviation (helicopters and attack aircraft).

Before the outbreak of the civil war, the Syrians had more tanks and infantry fighting vehicles than many developed countries that significantly reduced the number of heavy weapons in the ranks and in reserve. In terms of the number of armored vehicles, the CAA even surpassed the armies of powerful third-world states, which are guided by the Soviet model of the armed forces.

Another important point: in the Syrian army, the ratio between the tank and motorized rifle battalions was approximately equal, unlike the armies of the western type, in which the motorized rifle battalions are substantially larger than the tank. And this turned out to be in the hands of the Baath regime. After all, even the oldest model T-55 without dynamic protection is much more resistant to firing by the rebels than the BMP-1 / 2. Especially if we are talking about large-caliber machine guns, LSD, MPA and shrapnel of artillery shells and mines. And tanks, equipped with dynamic protection, can withstand a hit from obsolete grenade launchers and recoilless guns of the rebels.

During the conflict, the Syrian army used armored vehicles without direct cover from the infantry. After all, when interacting with soldiers, the speed of armored vehicles drops to several kilometers per hour, which makes it extremely vulnerable to enemy anti-tank weapons. And the Syrians bet on the speed and firepower of compact armored groups can be considered quite logical. (For the same Deraye, the actions of tankers are highly appreciated by our respective professionals. - Ed.)

Much more questions are the practice of the CAA to create temporary roadblocks, which are usually guarded by several tanks. They have been without movement for a long time and turn into "sitting ducks", allowing the rebels to choose a comfortable position for their defeat. And if in the absence of hidden approaches to tanks such tactics can still be justified, then in settlements or surrounded by gardens it should be considered erroneous. (Just such a roadblock with tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, to which we are accustomed to in Russia, in settlements almost none. - Ed.)

During the civil war, the total losses of CAA armored vehicles are quite substantial (based on an analysis of the available photo and video materials, they are estimated at almost 800 units, and tanks and BMPs are roughly in terms of 40%). Availability of repair facilities and the supply of spare parts from Russia and Iran could reduce the severity of the problem. True, the remaining fleet of armored vehicles will allow the loyalists to continue fighting for a long time, especially considering that now we are talking about the retention of key points, and not control over the entire territory of the country.

Aviation Assad

By the beginning of the civil war, the CAA had numerous air forces with an extensive attack and helicopter fleet. The disadvantages of Syrian aviation were: the presence of a large number of obsolete and worn-out aircraft, the lack of high-precision weapons and their carriers, and insufficient crew intake in the pre-war period. Nevertheless, given the weakness of the rebel air defense, aviation had a serious impact on the course of hostilities.

The total number of downed air defense aircraft is small: about 20 units (first of all, Mi-8 helicopters involved in supplying the Syrian garrisons). Several helicopters were captured by rebels as a result of an attack on the Marj as-Sultan airbases near Damascus and Afis (Taftanaz) in the vicinity of Idlib. After a months-long siege of Minah base (Meng), which is located northwest of Aleppo, the Syrian air force most likely also lost a significant part of its fleet. After all, the base was fired from X-NUMX-mm M-130 guns, and helicopters, unlike reactive combat aircraft, which can be protected by reinforced concrete shelters, are forced to be positioned openly and therefore more vulnerable because of the large length of the blades of the main rotors.

The sharp decline in the Mi-8 fleet is now one of the most acute problems for the CAA. And it can be solved only by adjusting the supply of spare parts for faulty machines, and even better, new helicopters from Russia and Iran. The Syrian Air Force also faces personnel problems. After all, if you look at the list of the dead pilots, most of them carried the rank of colonel. This is explained by the insufficient level of training of young pilots who are not able to operate the machine in the same way as senior officers.

Syrian rebels

We now turn to the rebel groups. This is the secular Free Syrian Army (SSA), the core of which consisted of deserters from the ranks of government troops (primarily Sunnis) and the formation of Islamists (including Jabhat al-Nusra - Front Al-Nusra). At the first stage of the civil war, the SSA played a leading role in resisting the regime, however, after it suffered a series of defeats, Islamists began to come to the fore, who are distinguished by their moral stability and high professional level. After all, in their ranks, foreign legionnaires who have gained real combat experience during the rebel war in Iraq and Libya are fighting. The tactics of the armed Syrian opposition largely reproduce the classic guerrilla insurgent tactics: the fighting is gradually spreading to new areas. (The so-called secular SSA is an empty shell filled with jihad warriors recruited around the world. According to Deraye, this is about 65%. As for small sabotage and terrorist groups, the percentage of foreigners is even greater. In this connection, the name Rebels sounds pretty ridiculous. - Ed.)

As in many modern conflicts, in the Syrian civil war, refugee camps in the territory of neighboring countries have become an important source of manpower for the rebels. The presence of such camps makes it possible not only to recruit supporters safely, but also to give them certain military skills. The host states are opposed to the Assad regime, and it is not surprising that information about the training of insurgents in Turkey and Jordan periodically appears, including with the help of foreign instructors. (In many armed conflicts of the 20th – 20th centuries, especially in Africa, refugee camps in the territory of neighboring states became real reserves for the armed opposition, which acquired the necessary knowledge and skills in them).

Course of the fighting

What happened in Syria in the last two years can be compared with the development of a cancerous tumor. At the first stage, the population entered mass protests impressed by the events of the “Arab Spring”: a benign tumor appeared. However, the severe forceful suppression of these actions led to an armed confrontation: a benign tumor degenerated into a malignant one.

Initially, armed clashes occurred rarely and were localized in nature: the disease was in the first stage. At this stage, the number of militants was small, and their level of training and armament was low. Syria’s immune system managed to eliminate a number of hotbeds of resistance, reduce and localize the remaining ones. But where resistance was not suppressed, metastases grew, spreading to nearby settlements, especially in areas difficult for the Syrian army. The rebels began to seize small checkpoints and bases of the Syrian army: the disease passed into the second stage, when cancer cells penetrate into the lymph nodes.

(The level of resistance and the transition to the second stage are directly connected with the ousting of the “Syrian rebels” proper by well-trained foreign professionals. Human and financial resources, the replenishment of which is practically inexhaustible. - Ed.)

In the refugee camps, Syrian fighters replenished their ranks with foreign personnel, organized, armed themselves and began to penetrate into Syria. To prevent this, the Syrian immune system could not. As a result, tumor cells began to spread in the new territories, mainly border, spraying the forces of the Syrian military, police and Alawite militia and forming local metastases. The disease has passed into the third stage. As the immune system was depleted due to combat losses and the wear and tear, metastases began to appear in vital organs that were distant from the original foci of the disease. The beginning of the fourth stage can be considered the summer offensive of militants in Damascus and Aleppo, the two largest cities of Syria. Although the authorities initially suppressed resistance in the capital, the militants managed to gain a foothold in the suburbs, which six months later led to permanent battles on the outskirts of Damascus and their spread to the city limits. In Aleppo, militants took control of about half the city. Emerging metastases began to expand into the surrounding areas (suburbs, satellite towns, surrounding villages), increasing the size of each new tumor focus. A striking example was the rapid seizure until recently of the calm and seemingly pro-Assad al-Raqqi in early March 2013.

NATO factor

If the NATO countries now decide on military intervention, the Assad regime is unlikely to be able to stay in power. Moreover, according to military experts, the alliance may be limited to rocket and air strikes. Indeed, despite the fact that Syria was able to preserve its most modern air defense missile systems (“Buk” and “Armor”) and fighter aircraft, their effectiveness raises great doubts, given the fact that the rebels besieged a number of airbases and blocked communications. In a number of regions in the north and east of the country, and partly in the west, the use of modern mobile air defense systems, not to mention the old stationary, is almost impossible. As for the Ministry of Defense, the MANPADS and the short-range air defense missile systems, the experience of the NATO air campaigns allows us to conclude that alliance aircraft rarely descend into their zone of destruction. As for the Syrian fighter aircraft, it is relatively small in number. In addition, its use is difficult due to the loss of a number of radar stations and the violation of the integrity of the radar field over Syria. It should also be understood that if NATO launches an air war, rebels with a double force will besiege the airbases and destroy the air defense of the government army. Alliance actions can lead to the rapid fall of a number of Syrian garrisons in the north and east of the country, which will be completely cut off from supplies. The balance of power will change dramatically, the Syrian army will practically be deprived of the opportunity to use heavy weapons under the rule of NATO in the air. As a result, demoralized loyalists will be forced to surrender Damascus to the rebels. (There is no doubt about the potential for NATO to crush Syria from the air. However, the initial phase of such an operation is associated with inevitable and noticeable losses. The only country (except m. B. Turkey) ready to bear such losses is the United States. At present, there are reasonable doubts in their desire to take on such operations. - Ed.)
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  1. Onotollah
    Onotollah April 5 2013 08: 07 New
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    We will wait and see how the situation will develop. At the moment, government forces are successfully crushing the creep of extremist counter-revolution.
    I would like the BRICS countries to respond to a request for help from B. Assad.
    1. Mitek
      Mitek April 5 2013 08: 39 New
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      Assad must be helped by all means. Otherwise, a little later, we will all be forced to eat big spoons in our country.
      1. Suhov
        Suhov April 5 2013 09: 51 New
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        Quote: Mitek
        Assad must be helped by all means.

        To support Syria with air defense means in order to exclude the possibility of a repeat of the Libyan scenario, when a sovereign state could not provide control over its airspace.
        Ground intervention without air support is unlikely, as it will lead to large losses of manpower.
        Partners, should they pay tribute, they value the lives of their soldiers!
        hi
        1. mealnik2005
          mealnik2005 April 5 2013 10: 14 New
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          The soldiers of the "partners" do not fight there. In the fighting, "possibly" involved "advisers" and "instructors."
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 5 2013 12: 02 New
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            Quote: mealnik2005
            The soldiers of the "partners" do not fight there.

            All right!
            There is no ground intervention with partners, because Syria can protect itself from the air.
            In that year, we checked the air defense of Syria for strength - we got it by snot! Wiped off! But they didn’t calm down ...
          2. Geisenberg
            Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 44 New
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            Type zapadlo chtoli? And the killed half of the Turkish special forces? They accidentally covered themselves there?
        2. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 5 2013 12: 05 New
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          The Libyan scenario will not pass by definition. Ours will never again miss the UN resolution on the establishment of an airless corridor over the territories covered by the terrorist war. The reason is simple - NATO is always on the side of the terrorists.
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 5 2013 12: 20 New
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            Quote: Geisenberg
            The Libyan scenario will not pass by definition.

            And Yugoslav? and you need to protect yourself from it ...
            1. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 43 New
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              And how is it, in principle, different from the Libyan? The same member only in the left hand. Obyavili Milosevic was bombed by the enemy, Obyavili Hussein was bombed by the enemy, declared Gaddafi an enemy and bombed again. To continue?
      2. Alexander D.
        Alexander D. April 5 2013 23: 11 New
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        Assad must be helped by all means. Otherwise, a little later, we will all be forced to eat big spoons in our country.

        Well, take a rifle and go ahead for orders ... On this site, many shout that Assad needs to be helped, and then it doesn’t itch ... And who of you, standing up for help to the Syrian government, is ready to pick up an AK and run under the bullets of snipers for the sake of a foreign country. But at the same time, every general who is ready to send a division or even a regiment to another war for his laptops. And you ask the contractors - they want to lose their legs there, where the thread is on a mine, or after a ridiculous wound, then go to the toilet all their lives through the straw.
        Afghanistan taught nothing ???
    2. zvereok
      zvereok April 5 2013 08: 56 New
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      Not too successful, since they have not yet crushed.
      1. Civil
        Civil April 5 2013 09: 04 New
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        A civil war of attrition, if Iran ceases to help Assad, it will not retain its territory, and vice versa, if the aid of the former opposition is cut off, they will quickly degrade ... while the pat
        1. don.kryyuger
          don.kryyuger April 5 2013 09: 18 New
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          And Iran knows he is next.
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 10: 41 New
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            Here is an objective article. But not the pathetically pompous reports of Gromova about poor dictator Assad and an imminent victory .. Only some provisions of the article aroused some questions.

            "During the conflict, the Syrian army used armored vehicles without direct cover from the infantry. After interacting with soldiers, the speed of armored vehicles drops to several kilometers per hour, which makes it extremely vulnerable to enemy anti-tank fire."

            The fact that counteraction to the partisan-rebel movement, which does not have a front line, by tanks together with infantry is not in doubt. But why should this speed of movement fall? This is only if the infantry will walk on foot. There is also a method tested long ago. For each tank, landing, infantry, and forward. During a clash, the infantry dismounts and conducts the battle together with the tanks. And no loss of speed. And the Syrian military, even in the city’s quarters, uses tanks without infantry, which of course leads to large losses of equipment.

            The second one. The author writes

            "The so-called secular SSA is an empty shell filled with jihad warriors recruited around the world."

            And at the same time adds.

            "As in many modern conflicts, in the Syrian civil war, refugee camps in neighboring countries have become an important source of manpower for the rebels. The presence of such camps allows not only to safely recruit supporters, but also give them certain military skills."

            And how is this to be understood? After all, refugees are the Syrians.
            1. Ghenxnumx
              Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 11: 13 New
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              [quote = Beck] Here is an objective article. But not the pathetically pompous reports of Gromova about poor dictator Assad and a speedy victory .. Only some provisions of the article aroused some questions. [/ Quote]
              This you call objectively belay ? [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] The civil war in Syria ... [/ quote]
              A war unleashed by outside and foreign mercenaries, by definition, cannot be civil
              [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Most of the population generally tries to avoid participating in hostilities. However, it should be noted that it is the Alawites and Shiites that make up the main support base of the Asad regime. [/ Quote]
              It has long been proven in practice - an army cannot exist for a long time without the support of the people, and this completely refutes the author of this stuffing on a fan
              [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] So, there are few elite formations in the Syrian army, but the rest of the army units and formations, as well as the Alabite militia “Shabiha” (“shabiha” is a subject of folklore, widely inflated by anti-Assad propaganda for intimidation and misinformation people in Syria and abroad. - Ed.), can only perform passive tasks, such as the defense of settlements in which the population dominated by the regime, the protection of military bases, roadblocks, supply convoys and strongholds near besieged cities. [/ quote]
              Here the author himself refutes the above quote - the people and the army are one
              [quote = Posted by Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Now let's move on to the rebel units. This is the secular Free Syrian Army (SSA), the core of which was deserters from the ranks of government troops (primarily Sunnis) and the formation of Islamists (including "Jabhat al-Nusra" - "Front al-Nusra") [/ quote]
              Of course, this is so secular - to cut off their heads, blow up mosques and people, whose happiness, supposedly the most "free army of scumbags" is fighting for - and where are the rebels? a couple of deserters?
              [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] What happened in Syria in the last two years can be compared with the development of a cancerous tumor. [/ quote]
              No (since the tumor develops from the inside, and this poisoning goes from the outside) this can be compared to the fact that a person in a gas mask (Syria) was closed in a container (forbidden sanctions) and poisoned with gas (replenishment by gunmen and lighting in false media) - the gas mask still holds but without replacing the filter will not last long
              If the NATO countries decide now on military intervention, the Assad regime is unlikely to be able to stay in power. Moreover, according to military experts, the alliance may limit itself to missile and air strikes. Indeed, despite the fact that Syria managed to maintain its most modern air defense systems (Buk and Shell) and fighter aircraft, their effectiveness is highly doubtful, given the fact that the rebels are besieging a number of air bases and blocking communications.
              [/ Quote]
              Well, everything is clear here - the author directly persuades NATO to help the scumbags rather, they can’t cope, and gives various reasons for the inability of the Syrian air defense to repel the attack. And the pope somehow suddenly started talking about peace, another dove, mlyn, peace — in general, he noticed a strange thing, as scumbags began to spread rot and squeezed out from everywhere, so at once all belligerently rushed to reconcile the warring parties.
              What kind of world can we talk between the people of Syria and the invaders, cutting off their heads and blowing up the civilian population ??? am
              1. Beck
                Beck April 5 2013 11: 24 New
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                [quote = Ghen75] Do you call this objectively? [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Civil war in Syria [/ quote]

                You have written a lot. I will answer one thing.

                The counter-terrorist operation is the destruction of bandits in the apartment, in the crypt. A large-scale war throughout the country is a civil war. Just like in Spain in 1936, as in Chechnya, because it is called the first and second Chechen war.

                And if the West supports the opposition, and Assad Russia does not mean that there is no civil war in Syria. And without reasons and the division of society into different camps, civil war does not happen.
                1. Ghenxnumx
                  Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 11: 29 New
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                  Quote: Beck
                  The counter-terrorist operation is the destruction of bandits in the apartment, in the crypt. A large-scale war throughout the country is a civil war. Just like in Spain in 1936, as in Chechnya, because it is called the first and second Chechen war.

                  a large-scale war throughout the country in this case is just domestic, not civil, as the media are trying to imagine civilized countries and you, I hope by your misunderstanding, and not by malicious intent hi
                  1. Beck
                    Beck April 5 2013 12: 00 New
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                    Quote: Ghen75
                    a large-scale war throughout the country in this case is just domestic, not civilian, as the media of civilized countries try to present it, and I hope by your misunderstanding, and not by malicious intent


                    My age is not that, due to a misunderstanding, and not by malicious intent, but objectively and by justice.

                    To seize power by Hafez al-Assad by a military coup is unfair.
                    Transferring inheritance to Bashar’s son is unfair.
                    Not holding free, fair elections is unfair.
                    Demand, in peaceful demonstrations, the holding of elections - it is fair. Within six months.
                    Not to respond to the demands of the people, but to shoot at their own people for six months is unfair.
                    If you get bored of dying for six months for no reason and there is a desire to protect your life from the dictator’s bullets - this is true
                    If there is a desire to throw off hereditary tyranny, which can continue in the grandson of Hafez and the son of Bashar - this is true.
                    If Bashar would go to the polls 2,5 years ago, even with his participation - that would be fair. And there would not be a terrorist seam of Islamic Orthodox in Syria now.

                    Everything else is a civil war app. And everyone is free to express their sympathies. Or to the people, or to the dictator.

                    From your position, you can blame the Vietnamese troops who helped the Cambodian people to overthrow the dictator Pol Pot, who in three years destroyed 1/3 of his own people. And also to justify the fascist Franco seized power in Spain by a military coup.
                    1. sichevik
                      sichevik April 5 2013 15: 32 New
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                      Beck, but what about Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brunei and many other Islamic monarchies, where power is inherited? Where fair and free elections are not held? But there human rights are violated more than anywhere else. And nothing you all look at these outrages calmly and do not call for revolutions in these countries. And do not call for the overthrow of these DICTATURES. Maybe everything is very simple. You all carry out the FAS command, which was given to you from the US State Department. It's just that you are all gosdapovskie dogs, which he sets on objectionable.
                      So it was with Grenada, it was so with Yugoslavia, it was so with Iraq, it was with Afghanistan, it was with Libya, now Syria ...
                      Who is next? Iran? Russia? China?
                      I don’t know how you will succeed with Iran and China. That's just with us such a number will not work. Break your teeth, or rather you beat them.
                      1. Beck
                        Beck April 5 2013 16: 04 New
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                        Quote: sichevik
                        Beck, but what about Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brunei and many other Islamic monarchies, where power is inherited?


                        Monarchy is a legacy of the unenlightened middle ages. And with the development of enlightenment, monarchies give way to democratic devices of the state, such as in Russia, where there is no hereditary power, but there are elections.

                        In international jurisprudence, monarchies are subjects of international law. And if the people themselves do not want to change the monarchy, no one will do this for them.

                        And each monarchy has a constitution, according to which the election of the king is not provided at all. Power is inherited. And if in Saudi Araii, Brunei, kings will start shooting at their people in large numbers, as in Syria, which has risen against the monarchy, then I have no doubt that world public opinion will be on the side of the people.

                        Dictatorial regimes are not a subject of international law and they are tolerated insofar as. Because how to risk the lives of their soldiers, if the people themselves did not rise against the dictator, no one will. Hussein, Gaddafi, Assad, having no hereditary prerequisites to be kings and trying to look democratic in the eyes of the world community, seized power, called themselves presidents and adopted a constitution with a provision on elections, hoping to always rig the election results. Like in the USSR.

                        It didn’t work at all as they expected. According to the constitution, there are elections, but the people wanted not real fraud, but real elections. Therefore, constitutionally, in peaceful demonstrations, demanded free elections. Dictators began to shoot, because in a free election their chances would tend to zero.

                        And the monarchies will disappear. The time of the monarchies has passed.
                      2. Ghenxnumx
                        Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 16: 37 New
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                        Quote: Beck
                        It didn’t work at all as they expected. According to the constitution, there are elections, but the people wanted not real fraud, but real elections. Therefore, constitutionally, in peaceful demonstrations, demanded free elections.

                        That's it for you, in USE Texas, Louisiana, as well as a number (16) of other states filed petitions with the desire to leave the most democratic countries of the world because of disagreement with the election results - in a month more than doubled the required number of votes.
                        Do not remind how it all ended in the most democratic country of the world, and lol ?
                      3. Beck
                        Beck April 5 2013 20: 14 New
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                        Quote: Ghen75
                        Do not remind how it all ended in the most democratic country in the world, but


                        So what? Did Washington send troops to these states, open fire from artillery pieces and send planes to bomb? There was none of this. Amers played a new game and have now forgotten. There was nothing legitimate in this online game to bring this issue to the level of state legislatures.

                        It’s the same as playing such a game in Russia, it is not known how the Caucasus will react. But in any case, this game will not have legal constitutional grounds. Because there are certain laws for holding official referenda.
                    2. Setrac
                      Setrac April 5 2013 16: 42 New
                      +2
                      Dear Beck, I’m all sorry for the expression - crap - there is no difference between the monarchy and the dictatorship, and even more so, the dictatorship is more competent than the monarchy, since at least part of the people supports the dictator.
                    3. Beck
                      Beck April 5 2013 20: 18 New
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                      Quote: Setrac
                      Dear Beck, I’m all sorry for the expression - crap - there is no difference between the monarchy and the dictatorship, and even more so, the dictatorship is more competent than the monarchy, since at least part of the people supports the dictator.


                      The monarchy is also supported by part of the people. And the difference between monarchies and dictatorship is big. At least in that, according to the constitution of monarchical states, elections are not provided.

                      And the monarchy of the monarchy is strife. There are absolute monarchies - Saudi Arabia. And there are constitutional monarchies in England, Thailand. Where kings are deprived of real power and perform only representative and ceremonial functions.
                    4. Setrac
                      Setrac April 6 2013 16: 46 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Beck
                      The monarchy is also supported by part of the people.

                      A smaller part, compared with the dictatorship, is much smaller.
                2. Geisenberg
                  Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 49 New
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                  Isn’t this the people who post videos of murders and terrorist attacks on YouTube?
                3. sichevik
                  sichevik April 5 2013 19: 10 New
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                  In any monarchy there is a large part of the population who wants to change the constitutional system. And I am more than sure that in all these countries there will be a mass of people who want to overthrow these monarchies. But a sad fate awaits them all. They just beheaded. And do you think this is normal, democratically?
                  And the fact that Assad is wetting mercenaries, bandits, robbers and rapists you consider a violation of human rights. What can you talk about?
                  Regards Sichevik.
                4. sichevik
                  sichevik April 5 2013 20: 01 New
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                  The Saudi monarchies, the monarchy of Brunei, the monarchy of the UAE are for me not a subject of international law. And I'm not going to endure them. And these dictatorships have no right to exist. They must be destroyed.
            2. chp67
              chp67 April 5 2013 16: 06 New
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              tell Beck, and for those who finance this war (Qatar, Saudi Arabia ...) everything is fair, democratic. Yes or no?
              1. Beck
                Beck April 5 2013 16: 14 New
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                Quote: chp67
                tell Beck, and for those who finance this war (Qatar, Saudi Arabia ...) everything is fair, democratic. Yes or no?


                Monarchy is unfair.
                Kings are unfair.
                And when the nations rise to sweep away these monarchies this will be fair.

                And it will be fair when world opinion supports these peoples.

                Read the rest in my commentary to Sichevik.
              2. Geisenberg
                Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 51 New
                +1
                Your kamenty are almost all the same. You read one you know that in others ...
              3. Beck
                Beck April 5 2013 20: 20 New
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                Quote: Geisenberg
                Your kamenty are almost all the same. You read one you know that in others


                Then do not read or ask questions. And everything will be cheeky cheeky.
            3. chp67
              chp67 April 5 2013 19: 36 New
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              But how do you like the beginning of the 20th century in RUSSIA. if Lenin did everything right. why did the West have such a reaction
        2. Suhov
          Suhov April 5 2013 16: 31 New
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          Quote: Beck
          To demand, in peaceful demonstrations, the holding of elections is justified. Within six months.


          In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation there is such an article - "Incitement" Unfortunately, in life this vile act is practically unpunishable!
          hi
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 21: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Sukhov
            In the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation there is such an article - "Incitement" Unfortunately, in life this vile act is practically unpunishable!


            There is an article in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation - Exceeding of personal powers. This is so that people are not shot.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 48 New
          +1
          School age just implies malicious intent and subjectivity ...
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 21: 47 New
            -2
            Quote: Geisenberg
            School age just implies malicious intent and subjectivity


            If this is for me. And that this is such an excuse everywhere, just that - Yes, he is young.
            They see only an avatar and all the same - young. I retired this year.

            Dee, what's the difference a young opponent or not. Arguments must be answered.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal April 5 2013 22: 40 New
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            I retired this year
            yo-ho! Already 63? belay I take my words about your youth in the above posts back, but at the same time I will explain: to remain a young soul does not mean to remain naive as a teenager! You messed up something here. Remaining a young soul means - despite age, to remain inquisitive, to continue to be able to enjoy life and just good things in life. BUT NEVER REMAIN ON YOUNGLY NAIVE! At 63 years old, it would be time to already be wise enough to understand that justice is actually an abstract concept, the blue dream of mankind and a young man at the same time, and in nature, expediency and efficiency reign in real life - analogues of an “energetically more favorable position” in an inanimate nature. Atai, will they have a pa?
      2. aksakal
        aksakal April 5 2013 18: 45 New
        +3
        Quote: Beck
        My age is not that, due to a misunderstanding, and not by malicious intent, but objectively and by justice.
        - It is clear that YOU are still not the same age, so wait until the mother’s milk on your lips dries, then you can understand why. And that is not a fact! laughing
        Quote: Beck
        To seize power by Hafez al-Assad by a military coup is unfair.
        Transferring inheritance to Bashar’s son is unfair.
        Not holding free, fair elections is unfair
        - delirium of a romantically minded very young puppy, I apologize, correct, a person who still believes in universal justice and wants to turn the world around with their, unfortunately, not by their own, but by the skillful liberal propagandists put into his head IDEALS laughing laughing Young man, I will tell you a great secret - justice does not exist! And in countries like Syria and in countries where elections are held, people come to power with the RESOURCES REQUIRED for this. MATERIAL RESOURCES. Either a protege of a person with the necessary resources comes to power, which does not change the essence. The only difference is that Assad Sr. converted material resources into military force and took power with the help of force, while in democratic countries these material resources are first converted into election technologies, into the election campaign, and they take power through elections. Know how much the campaign costs? Voice numbers? Common brow is available? laughing
        So what's the difference in essence, how is power taken if it was taken with the same tool?
        And since there is no justice, one thing remains. It is a pain and worry for the interests of their country and the country - the closest ally of their country. And whether these countries are good or bad is the tenth, if not the thirtieth. The main thing is that this is YOUR country!
        You still have to learn, then come and fast on equal terms with big uncles. Go study! Have you seen the belt for a long time? laughing laughing
        1. Beck
          Beck April 5 2013 22: 07 New
          -2
          Quote: aksakal
          It is not fair to seize power by Hafez Assad in a military coup. It is not fair to transfer power to the son of Bashar. Not to hold free, fair elections is not fair - the nonsense of a romantic-minded very young puppy, I apologize, correct, a person who still believes in universal justice and dreams turn the world around


          There is an old saying. You won’t get all the vodka, you won’t have any women. But this must be sought.

          Better to believe in Good than in Evil. Better to believe in justice than to mock it. And rightly so, even in the historical aspect, that the EurAsEC is being built. And the interests of EurAsEC are not the interests of individuals.

          Lenin had a phrase. "There are foreigners who consider themselves more Russian than the Russians themselves." Something like this. You, because of the pluses, in front of the painters, have already torn your whole throat in lust for marshal's epaulettes. Like a jackal Tabaki in front of Sherkhan. This tells you a young man who retired this year, having reached retirement age.
        2. aksakal
          aksakal April 5 2013 22: 58 New
          +3
          Quote: Beck
          There is an old saying. You won’t get all the vodka, you won’t have any women. But this must be sought.
          - Is it, figuratively, no justice, but should we strive for it? Absolutely agree! BUT! Not betraying the interests of their homeland even in thoughts! In this case, you at least morally approve of the aggression against Syria on the basis only of the fact that Assad, the youngest, was handed over to the younger father. I suppose that tomorrow you will approve a similar aggression against Kazakhstan on the grounds that Nazarbayev has been sitting for twenty-five years and has been extending his presidency through referenda. But referenda are so unfair, aren't they? And the guys who came from where from with grenade launchers will "restore justice in Kazakhstan" - this is by your logic. CATEGORALLY AGAINST THIRD FOR JUSTICE DAMAGE TO THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COUNTRY! I advise you to think about it!

          Quote: Beck
          And rightly so, even in the historical aspect, that the EurAsEC is being built. And the interests of EurAsEC are not the interests of individuals.
          - you, sorry, cereal in your head. You commend the Americans for the "restoration" of justice in the land of Syria and call the "restoration" of the Eurasian Union "just". Meanwhile, the Eurasian Union is a terrible dream of the Americans. Somehow decide on your attitude towards the Americans.

          Quote: Beck
          he had already torn his whole throat in lust for marshal's epaulettes.
          I don’t need it laughing I will not have them laughing With my number of pluses, I would have been a marshal for a long time, but I am a subject of a foreign state, this is the ceiling. So calm down, I solely respect my opinion and always justify it. Maybe it’s not always possible to convincingly substantiate, but I always try.
          Quote: Beck
          "There are foreigners who consider themselves more Russian than the Russians themselves"
          - you sometimes read my posts on topics about Baikonur or about other events in Kazakhstan, you will be very surprised. Not going to prove anything else. having eyes yes see
    3. Khamsin
      Khamsin April 5 2013 19: 29 New
      +2
      NATO invaded Iraq to build democracy. Well, where is justice ??? Or is it true that now children do not go to school, there is no honey. service ??? Maybe God bequeathed to NATO to plant democracy and fire and sword ??? Why does the US and NATO go there to establish democracy where there is oil ??? Africa is full of non-democratic countries !!!
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 47 New
    +2
    Counter-terrorism war is when terrorists are destroyed. And civil is when the country diverges in corners and the wall converges to the wall to death, without support from Landanabad and other pro-nasty sharaga.
  • The
    The cat April 5 2013 11: 16 New
    -7
    Quote: Beck
    The second one. The author writes

    "The so-called secular SSA is an empty shell filled with jihad warriors recruited around the world."

    And at the same time adds.

    "As in many modern conflicts, in the Syrian civil war, refugee camps in neighboring countries have become an important source of manpower for the rebels. The presence of such camps allows not only to safely recruit supporters, but also give them certain military skills."

    And how is this to be understood? After all, refugees are the Syrians.

    This is a remark by the editor. He marked the whole article with his comments. He is afraid that our fragile brain will not accept information tearing the pattern.
  • Ghenxnumx
    Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 11: 30 New
    0
    [quote = Beck] Here is an objective article. But not the pathetically pompous reports of Gromova about poor dictator Assad and a speedy victory .. Only some provisions of the article aroused some questions. [/ Quote]
    What do you call objectively belay? [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] The civil war in Syria ... [/ quote]
    A war unleashed by outside and foreign mercenaries, by definition, cannot be civil
    [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Most of the population generally tries to avoid participating in hostilities. However, it should be noted that it is the Alawites and Shiites that make up the main support base of the Asad regime. [/ Quote]
    It has long been proven in practice - an army cannot exist for a long time without the support of the people, and this completely refutes the author of this stuffing on a fan
    [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] So, there are few elite formations in the Syrian army, but the rest of the army units and formations, as well as the Alabite militia “Shabiha” (“shabiha” is a subject of folklore, widely inflated by anti-Assad propaganda for intimidation and misinformation people in Syria and abroad. - Ed.), can only perform passive tasks, such as the defense of settlements in which the population dominated by the regime, the protection of military bases, roadblocks, supply convoys and strongholds near besieged cities. [/ quote]
    Here the author himself refutes the above quote - the people and the army are one
    [quote = Posted by Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Now let's move on to the rebel units. This is the secular Free Syrian Army (SSA), the core of which was deserters from the ranks of government troops (primarily Sunnis) and the formation of Islamists (including "Jabhat al-Nusra" - "Front al-Nusra") [/ quote]
    Of course, this is so secular - to cut off their heads, blow up mosques and people, whose happiness, supposedly the most "free army of scumbags" is fighting for - and where are the rebels? a couple of deserters?
    [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] What happened in Syria in the last two years can be compared with the development of a cancerous tumor. [/ quote]
    No (since the tumor develops from the inside, and this poisoning goes from the outside) this can be compared to the fact that a person in a gas mask (Syria) was closed in a container (forbidden sanctions) and poisoned with gas (replenishment by gunmen and lighting in false media) - the gas mask still holds but without replacing the filter will not last long
    If the NATO countries decide now on military intervention, the Assad regime is unlikely to be able to stay in power. Moreover, according to military experts, the alliance may limit itself to missile and air strikes. Indeed, despite the fact that Syria managed to maintain its most modern air defense systems (Buk and Shell) and fighter aircraft, their effectiveness is highly doubtful, given the fact that the rebels are besieging a number of air bases and blocking communications.
    [/ Quote]
    Well, everything is clear here - the author directly persuades NATO to help the scumbags rather, they can’t cope, and gives various reasons for the inability of the Syrian air defense to repel the attack. And the pope somehow suddenly started talking about peace, another dove, mlyn, peace — in general, he noticed a strange thing, as scumbags began to spread rot and squeezed out from everywhere, so at once all belligerently rushed to reconcile the warring parties.
    What kind of world can we talk between the people of Syria and the invaders, cutting off their heads and blowing up the civilian population ??? am
  • aksakal
    aksakal April 5 2013 11: 44 New
    10
    Quote: Beck
    Here is an objective article. But not the pathetically pompous reports of Gromova about poor dictator Assad and an imminent victory .. Only some provisions of the article aroused some questions.
    - Dictator Assad, only from your point of view, Beck. Do not make such assessments to leaders of other states until you know for sure that your (unfortunately, my) President is better than Assad in terms of a democratic regime. I’m not sure that my President is better than Assad in this regard, and my President is the best, therefore, Assad is a leader who can lead his country and has the right to it, but only the people of Syria should decide this. Here I do not see that the people are given any choice - this is simply an invasion of foreign mercenaries financed by foreign (unfortunately, rich) countries. So refrain from sticking labels. You yourself ask about it - like, I come here to talk, argue. So communicate and argue, argue reasonably. And labeling labels without sufficient arguments does not lead to a constructive dispute, but causes only a desire to stick a response label on you. I am writing this topic for the third time. Assad is not a dictator until proven otherwise. The principle of the presumption of innocence. Prove should be on the thousands of repressions and genocide that took place before the start of the Arab Spring. DO NOT PROVE for the lack of corpus delicti. And the numbers of those killed after the outbreak of hostilities are not repressions, but a reflection of a foreign invasion. Stop talk about this.
    Quote: Beck
    And how is this to be understood? After all, refugees are the Syrians.
    - did not try to include the head? You, saving your family, left the war zone, settled in a refugee camp. Do you seriously think that the Turkish authorities taking part in this invasion will simply feed and live a refugee, a young man or a middle-aged man? Do you see pressure levers? and a family cannot starve ... Do you even have your own family and your children to appreciate how effective this lever is? I have the impression that you don’t have a family, that you are, in fact, some kind of romantically inclined young man with liberal-powdered brains, excuse me. Probably, you think that out of philanthropic motives, Turks with liberoid countries feed these refugees for beautiful eyes. laughing laughing I hope you understand the answer. I hope that your head is turned on.
    1. Beck
      Beck April 5 2013 12: 17 New
      -6
      Quote: aksakal
      Do not make such assessments to leaders of other states until you know for sure that your (unfortunately, my) President is better than Assad in terms of a democratic regime.


      Do not forbid to tell people what they think. Every politician is evaluated and should be evaluated by any person, because his actions take place against a public background, and not in bed.

      What in Kazakhstan, what in Russia are authoritarian systems of government. But neither in Russia now, nor in Kazakhstan do leaders shoot at their people for 2,5 years.

      If you volunteered to oppose, then oppose within the limits of correctness. What kind of expression "turn on your head." In the same way, I can tell you - Take your head first.

      And you can hope, no one can forbid this. Like in a song - Hope and wait.
      1. aksakal
        aksakal April 5 2013 17: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Beck
        Do not forbid to tell people what they think. Every politician is evaluated and should be evaluated by any person, because his actions take place against a public background, and not in bed.
        - what does the bed have to do with it? what are you talking about? About what hurts? I specifically ask you - if you please, prove that Assad is a dictator, and not just an authoritarian ruler! The same dictator as Pinochet, Somosa, Duvalier, Batista, Pol Pot and other brothers who killed their people for no reason, simply for ideological reasons or to maintain power at a time when there was essentially no danger to the authorities - that is . due to paranoid considerations. and yours
        Quote: Beck
        Every politician is evaluated and should be evaluated by any person
        - this is permissible on the basis of provable conclusions. So prove it.

        Quote: Beck
        What in Kazakhstan, what in Russia are authoritarian systems of government
        - again, if you please prove. I do not demand in Kazakhstan, as I can agree that Kazakhstan is an authoritarian power, but if you please in Russia! With 14 million votes during the last election (a purely democratic procedure!) In Russia, the country's president was tampered with - so much is needed to prove that Putin is illegitimate. Please!

        Quote: Beck
        If you volunteered to oppose, then oppose within the limits of correctness.

        - First, I ask you to prove that you speak reasonably, and not just grind your tongue, in the sense, just stick labels. I’m not going to play with gluers correctly, you already tried it on your own skin when you complained that you come here to talk and you are being treated here. They abuse empty-handed ones, if you please, since they pasted labels, prove that the labels you pasted correspond to the fact! And before that, there can be no question of correctness! am
        1. Beck
          Beck April 5 2013 20: 39 New
          -1
          Quote: aksakal
          what does the bed have to do with it? what are you talking about?


          So you still do not catch the point. And the fact that the politician is a public figure and is subject to discussion. Non-negotiable his personal life. For example, how he sleeps in bed with his wife. Hafez al-Assad seized power in the 1970s coup. In 1982, tanks rolled 40 thousand inhabitants of Homs. He handed over the power to his son. The son rigged the election results. For 99%, no fair elections can happen.

          Anyone from the level of their knowledge, horizons can give their own assessment of the policy. For one, this politician without a king in his head, for another smart, for the third no one.

          Read the comments of some Russians about Putin and ask them.

          I complained to the admins twice that the marshals going to the page did not discuss the topic posted in the headline, but they chased the teas and asked each other who had some good sleep, taking up 2/3 pages. Now this is not. Show to whom I pasted labels.

          Do not want correctness and do not. Then do not read my comments, do not oppose, do not ask questions, add to the black list. It will also be easier for you without a burden. Now my head will hurt that you will not discuss with me .. This was not enough for me. Here in the corner, on the icon, is God, but on the contrary a threshold. Go in peace.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 April 5 2013 20: 50 New
            +4
            Quote: Beck
            So you still do not catch the point. And the fact that the politician is a public figure and is subject to discussion. Non-negotiable his personal life. For example, how he sleeps in bed with his wife. Hafez al-Assad seized power in the 1970s coup. In 1982, tanks rolled 40 thousand inhabitants of Homs. He handed over the power to his son. The son rigged the election results. For 99%, no fair elections can happen.

            And what's the difference in what way power is seized? With the help of tanks or with brainwashing (in the case of crap). And who asked ordinary serialists what suits them best? And doesn't it seem strange to you that in countries like Egypt, Tunisia , Libya, Syria .... etc., how did everyone at once get an insight about democracy (literally on the same day), but doesn’t it come to the countries of satellite mattresses (although there is a monarchy there)?
            1. aksakal
              aksakal April 5 2013 21: 18 New
              +4
              Quote: Allex28
              what's the difference in what way power is seized? With the help of tanks or with brainwashing (in the case of shit democracy). And who asked ordinary serials what suits them best? And doesn't it seem strange to you that in countries like Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Syria

              Quote: Beck
              I complained to admins twice that Marshal
              - a young man, you, as a young man, practically a corporal, can certainly complain about marshals - democracy is a resource on this site. You did not answer my questions. Allex28 already asked you some of the questions. Answer.


              Quote: Beck
              Show to whom I pasted labels.
              - you pasted the labels:
              1. Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, calling him a dictator and thereby placing him on a par with
              Quote: aksakal
              Pinochet, Somos, Duvalier, Batista, Pol Pot and other brethren who killed their people for no reason, simply for ideological reasons or to maintain power at a time when there was essentially no danger to the authorities - i.e. due to paranoid considerations.
              . It is clear to the child that Bashar al-Assad did not do this to his people as I did. Once glued, prove that Assad is a dictator.
              2. Labeled the authoritarian country of Russia - I am silent for Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan really refers to authoritarian countries with the so-called mode of "soft authoritarianism", to hell with it, but you obviously stuck a label to Russia. Meanwhile, the presence of human rights, their observance, the signing of the Helsinki Convention, relatively clean elective technologies in Russia allows Russia to be classified as a democratic country. Therefore, you have stuck a label on Russia. Once glued - prove that Russia is an authoritarian country.
              I’m already asking for the fourth post about this, you wriggle like that. Ask you in Kazakh?
            2. Setrac
              Setrac April 6 2013 16: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              They stuck the label of the authoritarian country of Russia - I am silent for Kazakhstan, Kazakhstan really belongs to authoritarian countries with the so-called soft authoritarianism, to hell with it

              Not “the hell with him,” but “happiness to us,” the dictator at least bears some responsibility, one can ask him, a democratically elected president bears no responsibility, and is not responsible for anything. Democracy - the lack of responsibility of the leadership.
            3. Beck
              Beck April 6 2013 17: 44 New
              -1
              Quote: Setrac
              the dictator at least bears some responsibility, you can ask him, a democratically elected president bears no responsibility, and is not responsible for anything. Democracy - the lack of responsibility of the leadership.



              Dear answer please. What kind of socio-political formation do you currently live in in Russia? With the primitive communal, with the slave, feudal, with the imperial, with the dictatorship of the proletariat or any other dictatorship? Of course not, because these formations have remained in history.

              Now you live in a formation of public-private economy based on a liberal-democratic basis.

              Liberal - because you are free, have freedom of movement, you can openly express your thoughts and speak a word.
              Democratic - because you cannot personally deprive someone of freedom, as someone of you, only by the verdict of the court. You have the right to choose everything. You have the right to be elected and to be elected. You cannot be persecuted because of your skin color, because of your attitude, because of your preferences of this or that philosophy.

              If you take all this together, then Russia is a modern country with one or another level of liberal democracy, but democracy.

              Or do you live in a principality, under a monarchy, under the dictatorship of a bloody dictator?
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 5 2013 12: 07 New
    +6
    The article’s author without hesitation pours water on the mill to the terrorists. What is objective? Syrians for the second information are people born in the territory of Syria, not mercenaries waging a terrorist war against legitimate authorities.
    1. elmi
      elmi April 5 2013 12: 49 New
      +8
      Quote: Geisenberg
      The article’s author without hesitation pours water on the mill to the terrorists.

      It seems that we are gradually being prepared for the loss of Syria and the senselessness of B. Assad’s resistance. Every day we noticed articles about Syria, I understand that it was painful, it turns out that many here understand the need for assistance from Syria, but no real steps in help from our government are visible. On the contrary, we give in to the West and Israel, which insisted on banning the supply of already signed contracts for the supply of military aircraft to Syria. When will our government have the courage to make decisions without looking back to the West
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 5 2013 17: 54 New
        0
        I think that it was just a convenient platform. Immediately materials of different political colors are posted. Democracy in action - all voices are heard, except those who are yelling obscenities :) ... It is unlikely that anything will radically change in Syria in the near future. It will begin to change when the militants begin to end.
      2. Khamsin
        Khamsin April 5 2013 19: 36 New
        0
        Our government lacks the courage and determination! All decisions are made with an eye to the west !!!
  • kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson April 5 2013 12: 55 New
    0
    Quote: Onotolle
    BRICS countries responded

    I would like help to be voluminous, both in military-technical and in personnel plans. No need to wait for the BRICS decision, this is not a military bloc. But the CSTO troops must be sent now. By forces of 2-3 divisions, borders can be blocked from 2 directions, and this can be done quickly and without losses (with air cover).
    1. elmi
      elmi April 5 2013 13: 11 New
      +6
      Good idea, but what do you think the sending of the CSTO forces could provoke NATO in response?
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz April 5 2013 15: 34 New
    0
    I would like to believe that they are crushing successfully ... Something has lately been smelling bad on the Internet - either the assault on Damascus, the planned elimination of Assad, the increased deliveries of conventional and more powerful weapons (such as Grad), I’m not talking about manpower - this Muslim fanatics have enough good - that’s why their brains were rinsed and high! And on the part of Russia, sheer passivity and loss of interest were distracted by something or so much that Cyprus was not in Syria ... Everything is strange.
  • Bashkaus
    Bashkaus April 5 2013 17: 37 New
    +1
    yes have already responded, look what is happening in North Korea. It is only at first glance that it seems that Eun is inadequate, but in fact, it impedes the great forces of the United States by its threats, which does not allow us to go on to an accurate solution to the Syrian issue. But the Amer is still kerdyk, Alaska to us, Texas to the Chinese, South Korea Eunu.
  • SlavaS
    SlavaS April 5 2013 08: 09 New
    +2
    any events that radically change the balance of power and the nature of hostilities.
    In rebel sponsors, lightning strikes for example.
  • Vanek
    Vanek April 5 2013 08: 13 New
    0
    I'm sorry, but is this a joke such or that:

    Indeed, even the oldest model T-55 without dynamic protection is much more resistant to firing by rebels than the BMP-1/2. Especially when it comes to heavy machine guns, ZPU, MZA and fragments of artillery shells and mines.

    Compare tank and infantry fighting vehicles.
  • Reasonable, 2,3
    Reasonable, 2,3 April 5 2013 08: 22 New
    +1
    As everything is "bad", the article is a fat minus.
    1. Dangerous
      Dangerous April 5 2013 08: 53 New
      0
      This is an objective look, although nobody forbids you to wear pink glasses
      1. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 5 2013 11: 07 New
        0
        [quote = Dangerous] This is an objective look, although no one forbids you to wear pink glasses [/ quote]
        This you call objectively belay ? [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] The civil war in Syria ... [/ quote]
        A war unleashed by outside and foreign mercenaries, by definition, cannot be civil
        [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Most of the population generally tries to avoid participating in hostilities. However, it should be noted that it is the Alawites and Shiites that make up the main support base of the Asad regime. [/ Quote]
        It has long been proven in practice - an army cannot exist for a long time without the support of the people, and this completely refutes the author of this stuffing on a fan
        [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] So, there are few elite formations in the Syrian army, but the rest of the army units and formations, as well as the Alabite militia “Shabiha” (“shabiha” is a subject of folklore, widely inflated by anti-Assad propaganda for intimidation and misinformation people in Syria and abroad. - Ed.), can only perform passive tasks, such as the defense of settlements in which the population dominated by the regime, the protection of military bases, roadblocks, supply convoys and strongholds near besieged cities. [/ quote]
        Here the author himself refutes the above quote - the people and the army are one
        [quote = Posted by Vyacheslav Tseluyko] Now let's move on to the rebel units. This is the secular Free Syrian Army (SSA), the core of which was deserters from the ranks of government troops (primarily Sunnis) and the formation of Islamists (including "Jabhat al-Nusra" - "Front al-Nusra") [/ quote]
        Of course, this is so secular - to cut off their heads, blow up mosques and people, whose happiness, supposedly the most "free army of scumbags" is fighting for - and where are the rebels? a couple of deserters?
        [quote = Author Vyacheslav Tseluyko] What happened in Syria in the last two years can be compared with the development of a cancerous tumor. [/ quote]
        No (since the tumor develops from the inside, and this poisoning goes from the outside) this can be compared to the fact that a person in a gas mask (Syria) was closed in a container (forbidden sanctions) and poisoned with gas (replenishment by gunmen and lighting in false media) - the gas mask still holds but without replacing the filter will not last long
        If the NATO countries decide now on military intervention, the Assad regime is unlikely to be able to stay in power. Moreover, according to military experts, the alliance may limit itself to missile and air strikes. Indeed, despite the fact that Syria managed to maintain its most modern air defense systems (Buk and Shell) and fighter aircraft, their effectiveness is highly doubtful, given the fact that the rebels are besieging a number of air bases and blocking communications.
        [/ Quote]
        Well, everything is clear here - the author directly persuades NATO to help the scumbags rather, they can’t cope, and gives various reasons for the inability of the Syrian air defense to repel the attack. And the pope somehow suddenly started talking about peace, another dove, mlyn, peace — in general, he noticed a strange thing, as scumbags began to spread rot and squeezed out from everywhere, so at once all belligerently rushed to reconcile the warring parties.
        What kind of world can we talk between the people of Syria and the invaders, cutting off their heads and blowing up the civilian population ??? am
    2. tarks
      tarks April 5 2013 08: 55 New
      +2
      Assad really has little chance. Its resources are limited. The resources of his opponents are not.
  • horoh
    horoh April 5 2013 08: 30 New
    +4
    BRICS countries urgently need help moving !!!! It is necessary to crush the Lochobbit scum there, until they poked at us.
    1. tarks
      tarks April 5 2013 08: 56 New
      +1
      They have long been here. In Russia, Kazakhstan ... Everywhere.
      1. 120352
        120352 April 5 2013 11: 40 New
        +1
        Yes, they are everywhere. And the migration policy of the officials who betrayed us provides them with the daily arrival of new militants in Russia. Migrants from Muslim "republics" are future militants. Their registration and registration for military Wahhabi registration is carried out in Apraksin yard.
        Our army is bloodless Serdyukov (serious people don’t believe in Vasilyeva’s “deeds”, she’s the “zits chairman” Pound (read the Golden Calf), the police are made up of traitors, including Muslims - the same militants. It will be much more difficult to survive, and even more so, to win than in the Great Patriotic War, since the state today is not on the side of the people.
      2. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin April 5 2013 14: 41 New
        0
        Quote: tarks
        They have long been here. In Russia, Kazakhstan ... Everywhere.

        Maybe you didn’t notice, but they are slowly packing them according to the shkonks, though they will extradite them later request
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 5 2013 12: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: horoh
      BRICS countries urgently need help moving !!!! It is necessary to crush the Lochobbit scum there, until they poked at us.

      BRICS ??? You didn’t confuse anything, what the hell are the problems of Syria interesting for India and Brazil ?? China can only help in the Security Council. Because the oil of the Persian countries that are against Syria play a weighty role in China’s energy. Besides Russia and Iran , nobody needs it. Everyone else will win.
  • tarks
    tarks April 5 2013 08: 39 New
    +6
    And the USSR, I remember, the people sent to Spain. And it contributed. The cause of strengthening the defense of the Union in the first place. You won’t get combat experience on simulators and in the dash.
    Syria is now a testing ground for new technologies for warfare. And most importantly - cheap and no one is to blame! This, they say, they are all themselves.
    1. zvereok
      zvereok April 5 2013 08: 58 New
      +4
      I agree, if someone volunteered, to do their best to help him, to pay his family money and insurance in case God forbid what.
      1. tarks
        tarks April 5 2013 10: 23 New
        0
        wink Of course, exclusively volunteers! And support is exclusively private! As "armed oppositionists" are doing (and for a long time) now
        1. maksuta
          maksuta April 5 2013 14: 44 New
          0
          and who are these "private traders"? who prevents to go, Syria, now? yes, and who will go there? units.
    2. 120352
      120352 April 5 2013 11: 32 New
      +1
      Unfortunately, with Spain it turned out ugly. The USSR helped her for the Gold Reserve transferred to him. As soon as it was over, help dried up. Spain lost, and we got 22.06.41. - the fruit of the shortsightedness of the leadership of that time.
      Who does not believe, read the documents.
      Today, everything is more complicated. The impending, or rather, the ongoing war, is not only of an economic-ideological, but also of a civilizational nature (Semuel Huntington. Clash of Civilizations). Everything will be much fiercer and bloodier. Syria today for Russia - Spain for the USSR! The enemy must be stopped at distant approaches.
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER April 5 2013 12: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: 120352
        Unfortunately, with Spain it turned out ugly. The USSR helped her for the Gold Reserve transferred to him. As soon as it was over, help dried up. Spain lost, and we got 22.06.41. - the fruit of the shortsightedness of the leadership of that time.

        Those. German attack on us, is it our fault? If you read the documents, then you realized that war was inevitable and Stalin tried to delay it as much as possible, because then the rearmament of the USSR army was carried out, according to the plan it was supposed to end in the 42nd year, there wasn’t enough time, so big losses at the beginning of the war .. And the help of Spain allowed to delay the war, and now the help of Syria will help delay the war, until the rearmament is completed The army of the Russian Federation, if only there was enough time ..
    3. HAIFISCH
      HAIFISCH April 5 2013 11: 45 New
      0
      by analogy, Vietnam is immediately remembered in time
    4. DEfindER
      DEfindER April 5 2013 12: 23 New
      +2
      Quote: tarks
      And the USSR, I remember, the people sent to Spain. And it contributed. Union Defense Enhancement

      The current situation is one in one repeats the pre-war time before the Second World War, the same crisis, the same civil wars, only then we really helped the Spaniards, but now we are slowing down ..
      By the way, Assad recently said very well when addressing Russia:
      You must not defend Assad, this is not your president, you must not defend Syria, this is not your country, but you must somehow protect your interests in this country!
      1. Beck
        Beck April 5 2013 13: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: DEfindER
        You must not defend Assad, this is not your president, you must not defend Syria, this is not your country, but you must somehow protect your interests in this country!


        Here are your INTERESTS. Russia's interests in the Middle East.

        Since the days of the USSR, Russia has had a great influence in the Middle East region. The Kremlin, however, did not appreciate the current trends towards the abolition of authoritarian regimes by enlightenment, clinging to the dictators of Hussein, Gaddafi, and the ayatollah of Iran, and going against the opinion of the world community, gave up their positions step by step. Now the influence of Russia in Libya, Iraq, Egypt is approaching zero, not to mention Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait.

        Now clinging to Assad, the Kremlin will lose its influence and its INTERESTS in the last country in the region. Because the dictatorial regime of Syria is likely to fall. What? Is it really important for the Kremlin to have the “friendly”, personal qualities of dictators as opposed to the peoples of these countries and as a counterweight to their own lost interests in this region.

        The baggage of INTERESTS that was accumulated by the USSR in 50 years, the Kremlin lost in 10 years. And not because of force majeure, but because of the trivial support of dictators. Apart from the lack of political perspicacity, I see no other reason. Now it will be necessary to restore everything and whether 50 years is enough for this, UNKNOWN.
        1. DEfindER
          DEfindER April 5 2013 16: 22 New
          +2
          Quote: Beck
          Now clinging to Assad, the Kremlin will lose its influence and its INTERESTS in the last country in the region.

          The Kremlin does not cling to Assad, but to the Syrian people, with whom they will have to deal with in the future, and if we betray him, we can forget about good relations .. We support not only Assad, but also the opposition of Syria that wants to come to power peacefully, and let the people decide who to rule, but they are fighting against the army there who knows, and the Syrians weren’t there either ..
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 20: 52 New
            -2
            Quote: DEfindER
            We support not only Assad, but also the opposition of Syria that wants to come to power by peaceful means, and let the people decide who to rule, but who is fighting against the army, who knows, and the Syrians weren’t there either.


            So this opposition has been demanding for six months, in peaceful demonstrations, to hold elections, this is the peaceful path. Six months required. What did Assad answer? He shot demonstrations these six months. People were tired of dying from bullets and they took up arms, it was then orthodoxes who joined them. If, then, 2,5 years ago, Assad would have gone to the polls, then his participation as a candidate was not disputed by anyone, but now there wouldn’t have been the Syrian terrorist orthodoxy that is now in Syria.
        2. Mironk
          Mironk April 5 2013 18: 17 New
          -6
          Quote: Beck
          Now clinging to Assad, the Kremlin will lose its influence and its INTERESTS in the last country in the region. Because the dictatorial regime of Syria is likely to fall.

          Beck, welcome you!
          I don’t know what kind of information the Russians receive from the Russian media, they tell us that the Assad regime controls the center of Damascus, most of Syria is in the hands of the rebels. The situation is such that the power in the country will inevitably pass to other forces.
          And what about Russia in the Alavite dictatorial dynasty, which never had especially friendly feelings for Russians? Dad Hafez always kept a fig in his pocket, and was on his mind - both when he tried to drag the USSR into a conflict in the BV, and when he mercilessly cracked down on the Syrian Communist Party, and after 82, when he considered that Soviet weapons could not ensure his troops victory over Israel, quietly sought rapprochement with the West. Well, little son Bashar is his follower, he has no strength and cunning only.
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 21: 03 New
            -1
            Quote: MironK
            Beck, welcome you!


            Hello to you too!

            I don’t know what information some Russians absorb, but most of the media are controlled by the authorities.

            Of course, it’s not very truthful to talk about Assad’s speedy victory if fights go on in the suburbs of Damascus. It is only Gromova who writes peppy reports.

            And the situation in Syria is certainly deplorable. If the elections, as required by the people, were held 2,5 years ago, then the moderate, healthy forces of the Syrian public would undoubtedly have come to power. Now, with the flood of the country by the Orthodox, after the fall of Assad, the very destructive forces of Orthodox Islam can come to power. And it will be bad.
      2. tarks
        tarks April 5 2013 14: 38 New
        0
        There is still a problem in the format of Russia's participation.
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger April 5 2013 08: 44 New
    14
    Comrades, I liked the article by Prokhanov.
    For those who have not read -

    Have you heard the liberal pacifists, these preachers of Bolotnaya Square, the courteous showmen, the professors of hedonism and consumption? “Why,” they say, “spend money on defense, arming Russia? Cultivate the defense consciousness among the Russian people? Does anyone threaten Russia? Does it have enemies? And all this hysteria with the revival of the defense industry, with the modernization of the defense factories there is paranoia of statesmen, militaristic burning of patriots. " So say the pacifists - the enemy’s agents, the "fifth column" operating in the rear of the state.

    I would take a pacifist with me to the Syrian front. I shoved infantry into the airborne squad. He would drive this car through the smoky ruins of a suburb of Damascus, through the squabble of bullets striking armor. Let the grenade launcher blow in the neighborhood. Let the pacifist see the inscriptions of the militants on the walls of the ruins: "First, Syria, then Russia."

    Let him see the corpses of Jordanians, Libyans, Iraqis who came to fight under Damascus. Their faces, burnt to the bones, with the remains of smoldering rubber tires: the militants, retreating, burn the bodies of the dead so that they are not recognized by Syrian intelligence.
    Thirty thousand riflemen who came to Syria from all over the Islamic world, trained and armed, with the ideology of the Islamic world revolution, ready to die for an idea, appeared in the vicinity of Damascus, from here, from the battlefield, to fly directly to paradise. This is an invasion army, possessing fiery power, persistent and mobile, like a giant ball lightning flying around the world, ready to incinerate cities and countries, controlled from Western intellectual and military centers. If this army conquers Syria, then its cumulative blow will pierce Central Asia. Before such a blow, the sluggish regimes of Tashkent and Astana, Bishkek and Dushanbe will be powerless. This ball of fire will sooner or later rush to the North Caucasus. It will direct its sizzling power to Tatarstan and Bashkiria.
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger April 5 2013 08: 45 New
    14
    Continued -

    I would like to see pacifists if they fall into the hands of frenzied and fearless warriors for whom liberal values ​​are good only when these values ​​have their eyes poked out, their tongues released, their guts released, and blue-green flies clinging to the corpse of an unlucky pacifist.
    The response of the Russian state to this real pitch-fire threat is to force the reconstruction of the military-industrial complex, manufacture new types of modern weapons, equip an army capable of winning in a new, unparalleled war. Creation of the ideology of the Russian state, excluding vile pacifism, the inclusion in this ideology of all the constants of the traditional imperial state, taking control of the homeless territories of Central Asia. At the same time, "defense consciousness" will remain part of the philosophy of the Russian state, the philosophy of the Russian Victory.
    I visited Novosibirsk, where a branch of the Izborsk Club was opened - this factory, which creates models of the new Russian ideology. I visited a unique defense enterprise - an artificial fiber plant, where powerful weapons are being built away from the city: Smerch rockets for multiple launch rocket launchers. Ammunition for Hurricanes. Missiles for airplanes, helicopters. The latest tactical systems that can turn into a cluster of tanks of plasma, turning into hot ashes thousands of clusters of enemy infantry, pushing through the Russian border.

    This factory, stuffed with explosives, is surrounded by gigantic earthen ramparts, like ancient fortresses, to protect against a possible explosion in which neighboring cities and villages cannot resist.

    Explosives of unprecedented power are being created in the workshops of the plant; heavy eight-meter shells, like tree trunks, go off the assembly line. These shells contain a myriad of discoveries, inventions, and all modern technologies. At the factory, I was satisfied with looking at Russian weapons that could protect my homeland. I admired the Russian people that they saved the precious plant from the pogroms of the nineties, from Gaidar pacifism, when the liberal authorities maliciously cut off the defense complex enterprise from financing. And at these enterprises, like giant whales washed ashore, great ideas perished, great scientists and engineers gasped. And Russia for 20 years stopped in its development, was deprived of the Soviet technosphere to the sounds of shallow rock bands, to the annoying squealing of television empty flowers.
    Thank God, today the influence of these businessmen has waned. Russia has new planes and submarines. Serdyukov’s tumor was excised from the army. Russia has regained consciousness from the lethargic sleep of the nineties, being reborn in its formidable and beautiful majesty. Ahead we have a lot of pain and misfortune, a lot of smart and merciless enemies.
    I stand in the assembly shop of the Siberian giant plant, touching the cold body of the shell. I stroke the fuel block, put my palm on the pointed head of guidance. I see secret drums, secret quiet music. I distinguish between the words: "For our Motherland - fire! Fire!"

    / A.A. Prokhanov /

    I don’t want to make conclusions. I think on this forum and so everyone understands everything.
    1. evgenm55
      evgenm55 April 5 2013 10: 43 New
      +3
      The article is excellent, beautiful, patriotic, intelligible. The words of a person who loves the Motherland. But is it still not so good - how many thieves and enemies are sitting at the top? How many artificially created barriers and brakes, sawn and rolled back funds planned for defense?
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 6 2013 17: 14 New
        0
        Quote: evgenm55
        The article is excellent, beautiful, patriotic, intelligible. The words of a person who loves the Motherland. But is it still not so good - how many thieves and enemies are sitting at the top? How many artificially created barriers and brakes, sawn and rolled back funds planned for defense?

        Do you specify this about Syria or about Russia? And then your general phrases somehow carry little semantic load.
    2. Mironk
      Mironk April 5 2013 17: 48 New
      -6
      Quote: Rustiger
      Comrades, I liked the article by Prokhanov.

      Who would doubt it! Prokhanov is an old senile, and you, dear, are his change ...
      1. antidote
        antidote April 5 2013 20: 15 New
        +1
        I like these Messrs. From Israel. Absolutely blinded by what the older brother from America will say, they think so. Having overthrown the legitimate government of Syria, this pack will definitely climb to its neighbors. I would feel very uncomfortable if, while sitting in N. Novgorod, I would know about a real war with terrorists somewhere nearby, kilomeres for 200, somewhere in Vladimir. State Israel is probably a little Hamas and others, they need something more serious. They rub their hands and wait for them to wait for armed uncontrolled gangs of mercenaries to climb from the North.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 5 2013 20: 48 New
          +3
          Quote: antidot
          I like these Messrs. From Israel. Absolutely blinded by what the older brother from America will say, they think so.


          Luke 6 38: "..because with what measure you measure, it will be measured to you as well."
          Snobbery and self-confidence did not save even the Great Rome .. Everything is ahead of the Israel project ..
        2. Mironk
          Mironk April 5 2013 22: 30 New
          -2
          Quote: antidot
          so that from the North armed uncontrolled gangs of mercenaries climbed onto them

          Yes, how much to explain to you, gentlemen, they’re good that they don’t come to us for one reason - they’re afraid, because they have raked many times, and they know that they will be raked in full the next time, but here we don’t have Budenovsk - we should negotiate with them no one will. We have such a short phrase expressing the essence of inter-confessional relations in the BV - it sounds like this: "Good Arab - dead Arab!" That's about ...
        3. Artyom
          Artyom April 6 2013 01: 41 New
          0
          I think they won’t help, all this pack is fed from the hands of the United States, when the Moor does his job, Amer will simply cut off the flow of funds, and Arabs will not scratch their ass for anyway. Unfortunately, this mess costs the Amer almost nothing, print to yourself green candy wrappers with portraits of presidents, and give them to the marginalized, which is easier.
  • Dangerous
    Dangerous April 5 2013 08: 52 New
    0
    I’m all thinking, what are they eating there in Damascus and Aleppo, and in other cities too? Everything is destroyed, no agricultural ... Where do they get food?
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta April 5 2013 10: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Dangerous
      Where do they get food?

      Yes, they run around the houses where people live and take away, there is nowhere else to take during the battle. They will not blow up field kitchens there)))
      in the movie, it is also unclear what the movie hero eats if he is not shown how he has breakfast, lunch and dinner.
  • Romn
    Romn April 5 2013 08: 52 New
    +2
    We urgently need to start helping Syria, why Western countries can openly declare that they will supply weapons to the rebels in spite of any laws, and we could condemn this statement. Why not send them planes, missiles, tanks, and indeed all weapons. Why not also start to act openly and show the joint efforts and military operations of our Alliances (for example, such as the SCO and BRIC)
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN April 5 2013 18: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Romn
      We urgently need to start helping Syria, why Western countries can openly declare that they will supply weapons to the rebels in spite of any laws, and we could condemn this statement. Why not send them planes, missiles, tanks, and indeed all weapons. Why not also start to act openly and show the joint efforts and military operations of our Alliances (for example, such as the SCO and BRIC)

      If ours is not trumpeting like a pin * wasp at every step about its immense help to the terrorists, then this does not mean that Russia is not helping Syria. I believe that they themselves, for two years without our help, would not hold out against the hordes of these coves, in which hundreds of millions of dollars are being poured. Surely our specialists are working there, judging by the noticeably improved counter-sniper war among the Syrians, and the regular calls of our ships to Tartus, they probably do not carry seeds there. I think the question is about the number of deliveries, probably they could be increased, but we probably will not know how much and specifically we are helping Syria. For example, what we helped, and for a long and very significant time, the Northern Alliance became aware of the fight with the Taliban only after the amers came to Afghanistan, is not customary for us to go in front of all the peacock.
  • tarks
    tarks April 5 2013 09: 02 New
    +3
    World war is already in full swing. Mental-terrorist-partisan-international-intervention.
  • Atlon
    Atlon April 5 2013 09: 05 New
    0
    America is giving in ... It is letting in ... The staggering of the colossus is already noticeable to the naked eye. The West broke in the "victory" over the USSR. The third time today, in the third article I am writing about this. It seems that stagnation of the West is entering a phase of avalanche-like process ...
    1. 120352
      120352 April 5 2013 11: 25 New
      +1
      It would be good for them to organize Zug-Zwang, a situation in the system in which any of its actions leads to a deterioration of the state. And so, while America, its population does not even notice what is happening beyond its borders. They live and enjoy their lives, spitting on the rest of the world. Moreover, I am almost sure that in America there are many people who are convinced that nothing exists in this world except America. A week from there. I didn’t make out any "swaying of the ear."
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 5 2013 12: 59 New
        +1
        It has already been organized, only from the side of another system - an attempt to intensify in Syria is countered by tension in Korea.
  • Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 5 2013 09: 19 New
    +1
    Che for the term such "loyalists"? Someone outplayed in the count of duti or what?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 5 2013 09: 44 New
      +1
      Loyal (supporting) the current government. The term is from the history of the Middle Ages.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt April 5 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        Yes, but when did we Russians use this term?
        He may be from the Middle Ages, but for the first time I heard him in the game call of duty modern warfare (I confess, I played before enlightenment wink ).
        As if an article was brought from behind a hillock yes
        1. andrejwz
          andrejwz April 5 2013 11: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Grishka100watt
          but for the first time I heard him in the game call of duty modern warfare

          Sad ...
          1. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt April 5 2013 12: 01 New
            0
            Sadly knowledgeable person the word problem with two m write)
            Yes, I have not met this word anywhere, I read relatively much.
  • Chavy
    Chavy April 5 2013 09: 34 New
    +4
    It is wrong to call the war in Syria civil, and terrorists as rebels. It is too liberal and somehow western. The struggle of countries with alien hands in a foreign territory is called Proxy war

    This is not the first time I've come across articles where they incorrectly interpret the type of this war intentionally or accidentally, but on such a resource as this make such mistakes stop
  • smart ass
    smart ass April 5 2013 09: 50 New
    -3
    I think that RUSSIA should advocate the abolition of embargo on the supply of weapons to Syria, as NATO itself wants. Before this, of course, it is necessary: ​​to agree with Assad what and how much he needs, give unlimited credit, collect all the equipment and weapons in Novorossiysk, fit all the transports and the air defense base there ... And as soon as the decision is made ... load the whole fleet and send it to Syria !!! Send more heavy weapons, helicopters .... It is advisable in advance to begin training for future crews
    1. 120352
      120352 April 5 2013 11: 19 New
      +2
      Sorry, but on the Black Sea, thank God, we have not a flotilla, but a fleet!
  • pechv
    pechv April 5 2013 10: 24 New
    +2
    The words "Assad is doomed", "His enemies have inexhaustible resources" sound strange. Resources are always exhausted. And Qatar, in this sense, seems to be running out of steam. It can be seen even with the naked eye from scattered publications that he is already groaning under the weight of the problems associated with financing and arming this rabble called rebels.

    Already, the "rebels" realized that it was dangerous in Syria, and could cripple. And where it is better to rob and kill - where there is a weak regime and practically no army. The direction of movement of this frantic pack cannot be accurately predicted. Maybe towards Iran, Russia, or maybe south of Syria? Then we'll hear about the wonders of Qatari democracy.
    1. 120352
      120352 April 5 2013 11: 18 New
      +1
      Qatar must be helped to become a Karachik, and then lie down and speak out against Saudi Arabia on the side of Syria.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta April 5 2013 10: 25 New
    0
    interesting, really .. no?
    Saudi Arabia has supplied heavy weapons to Syria

    Syrian rebels fighting for control of the second largest city in Syria, Aleppo, received the first units of heavy weapons - 220-mm multiple-launch rocket systems (RZSO) 9K57 “Hurricane” Soviet-made. Deliveries are made through a Saudi secret service led by Prince Bandar bin Sultan, according to intelligence sources from DEBKAfile. Missile systems were secretly purchased by Saudi agents in the Balkans - in Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo - for large sums of cash. One Soviet 9K57 “Hurricane” is capable of firing a volley of sixteen 220-mm missiles at a distance of up to 40 kilometers.
    Source: http://dplike.ru/saudovskaya-araviya-postavila-tyazheloe-vooruzhenie-v-siriyu.ht
    ml Business portal © Dplike.ru
    1. 120352
      120352 April 5 2013 11: 17 New
      0
      This is very sad! It would be urgent to find out with whose hands these deliveries aimed at the destruction of Russia are carried out and to destroy the internal enemy, no matter how many and no matter what posts he possesses!
      1. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 5 2013 13: 06 New
        +1
        From Moldova through Ukraine, for example.
        http://warfiles.ru/show-28052-ukraina-kupila-v-moldavii-sistemy-220-mm-rszo-urag
        an.html

        And the calculations from the Russian Federation or other CIS countries - the development of such a complex - are years, and exercises with Hurricanes were carried out only in the Russian Federation.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 5 2013 17: 01 New
          0
          U-bye-bye, what are we terrible, the first MLRS battery, and ammunition also supplies Saudi Arabia? Without highly professional intelligence and the constant supply of ammunition, they will win a lot?
  • elenagromova
    elenagromova April 5 2013 11: 09 New
    +9
    What a rhetoric: "regime", "rebels" ... The author should at least show a little what these "rebels" are doing. And his position is clear from the very first words.
    And in Syria, not a civil war - but counter-terrorism operations.
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 5 2013 11: 09 New
    +6
    May the Lord God help the fraternal Syrian people, led by Bashar al-Assad, in the fight against visible and invisible enemies. We will see. It’s not yet evening, comrades, Zionist Islamists. Thank God!
  • 120352
    120352 April 5 2013 11: 10 New
    +8
    An article with a clear miasma of hostility. The bandits are called rebels, the aggression of international Wahhabism - the civil war, the Wahhabis themselves - the secular Syrian army. Lying on a lie! The author is either a Wahhabi himself or Bashar al-Assad, a doctor, an intelligent, open person, in relation to whose state activity the word "regime" is simply not applicable, he personally annoyed him with something. Well, for example, he told the truth.
    And most importantly, the author does not see, or pretends, that he does not see the reasons for this tragedy and its consequences. There are several reasons. Replace Assad’s secular power with the power of Islamic fundamentalists in order to 1) destroy Russia's influence in this region 2) create another outpost to move towards Russia, 3) free up oil-saturated territories for American owners. It was the craving of the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and other leaders of banking Jewry in America (and there are no other banks in America besides Jewish) to enrichment that at least twice became the cause of world wars.
    The position of Russia in this supposedly civil war, but the war for world domination, is the most unenviable. The Syrians, although they do not really consider themselves Arabs (there is plenty of literature on this subject), but because the Alawites Jesus Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary are the most revered saints, that is nonsense for the Arab-Muslim world, they are still “local” and they it won’t get like us.
    With us, the war is already underway. While in the preparatory phase, in the form of delivery of tens of thousands of militants - Islamists from Asia and the Caucasus. In St. Petersburg they go through “registration” or “registration” as in the “military registration and enlistment office” in Apraksin yard and a number of simpler places. In other cities of Russia, similar "accounting points" operate. On the day of "X" they will take up arms and destroy the civilian population, deprived of the state and government the right to self-defense. They themselves report this in the inscriptions on the walls of Syrian cities: "First Syria - then Russia" or "Death of Russia" and the like. You read these inscriptions, they were made in Russian by the hands of "our Caucasian brothers." With the military, at least at first, they will not enter into conflict. Our war machine is slow. While it will unfold, everything will end. The police are not taken into account, in view of its treacherous position in relation to the population, in addition, Muslims are being recruited there at an accelerated pace.
    What to do? Confront the enemy at distant approaches. To decapitate Saudi Arabia, Qatar, to destroy the "clergy" who are calling to kill the infidels, i.e. us, to rape non-Muslim women, as is happening today in Syria. But the main thing is to remove from Russia potentially dangerous migrant workers and Russian citizens of Muslim origin who have unfriendly shown themselves in relation to the indigenous population (remember Kondopoga, Sagra, etc.). To identify the figures who organized the mass delivery of a potential adversary to our territory and publicly, so that others were not in the habit, execute them.
    Send inter-squads composed of specialists, snipers to Syria and provide military operations with weapons and equipment, no matter how all sorts of Turkey, Arabia, Qatar and the United States squealed. If necessary, shut off the latter. (Fleet to the shores, airplanes in the air, to intern the citizens of these states located on the territory of Russia).
    Fatherland is in danger!
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 11: 31 New
    0
    In principle, everything is true, except for the name - it is more likely GANGRENA, and not a tumor! And the methods of "treatment" should be appropriate. yes
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 11: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: Hyus-124
    In principle, everything is true, except for the name - it is more likely GANGRENA, and not a tumor! And the methods of "treatment" should be appropriate



    I do not agree. With gangrene, parts of the body are cut off, and the tumor can still be treated, the main thing is that it does not become "inoperable" ... So, what to treat, treat and treat again, by all available means. Syria must remain an integral state ...
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 5 2013 12: 08 New
    0
    Avtyr is a provocateur, an article ... respectively.
  • escobar
    escobar April 5 2013 12: 35 New
    +1
    If the BRICS really harnessed, then these ugly donkeys would crumble long ago.
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 13: 14 New
    0
    Aw, moderators, what’s in the comment “UNACCEPTABLE”? Better check the correct box.
  • DimychAs
    DimychAs April 5 2013 13: 23 New
    +1
    Article gag.
  • zambo
    zambo April 5 2013 13: 42 New
    +4
    Syrian army continues to clear the country of terrorists
    апрель 04, 2013

    Damascus
    In the province of Damascus, in the center of the Jobar district near the police station, military personnel clashed with terrorists, eliminating and injuring several militants. Among the murdered bandits - Muhammad Al-Lahham, Ramadan Khalauah.

    In the Al-Ab plantation area, soldiers killed members of one of the terrorist groups that belonged to the so-called Islamic Regiment. Among the liquidated terrorists, Abderrahman Al-Hadra was identified.

    In the village of Dzhisrin, one of the army units pursued a group of militants, eliminating or injuring all its members. A car with a load of weapons and ammunition was crushed.

    In the Al-Reyhan plantation area, military personnel clashed with a terrorist group, resulting in the elimination of dozens of criminals.

    In the village of Al-Uteiba, an army unit continued counter-terrorism operations and took control of the school complex.

    In the cities of Zabadani, Al-Nebeck and Daraya, army units continue to harass terrorist groups. The responsible source told the correspondent of the SANA agency that in the city of Zabadani, soldiers during the persecution of the group destroyed several of its members, including Walid Khitto and Osama Hanifa.

    In the city of Daraya, the military killed several terrorists, in particular, a certain Samer named Abu Ahmad.

    In special operations in the village of Ad-Diyabiya, army units destroyed a large number of terrorists from the Jebhat Al-Nusra, including foreign mercenaries. Mahi al-Din Al-Bushi, foreign mercenary Samir Ad-Jmayili, identified.

    In the villages of Al-Husseiniya and Al-Bahdaliya during special operations, soldiers killed and wounded many terrorists from Jebhat Al-Nusra. Among the liquidated ones are Musaab Al-Muhammad, Muhammad Ad-Dagmush, Muhammad Houndi. In al-Bahdaliya, the terrorist shelter was destroyed, along with weapons and ammunition, as well as a car with a heavy machine gun.

    In the village of Khujeira, the military defeated the terrorist shelter and destroyed many of the militants who were there. Identified by Kazem Jbawi.

    aleppo
    In the city of Aleppo on Bayadin Square, army units during the special operation defeated 3 cars with terrorists. One of the cars was equipped with a heavy machine gun. Destroyed many militants.

    Near the highway leading to the city of Al-Bab, servicemen attacked a cluster of terrorists. Destroyed 23 mm anti-aircraft gun, a car with a load of weapons and ammunition, as well as several militants.

    Idleb
    In Idleb province, in the city of Jisr Ash-Shugur, army units attacked clusters of terrorists, destroying and injuring many militants. Their equipment and weapons were defeated.

    In the cities and towns of Al-Bara, Maaret Misrin, Murin, Hzanu, Binnish, Maarrat An-Numan, Serakib, Macbarat Lurin, Majdaliya, Dahrat Ad-Didania, Ar-Rami, Okhs, Tel-Selmu and Umm-Drain army units attacked clusters of terrorists, smashing their bases. Many militants destroyed, including foreign mercenaries.

    An army source told the correspondent of the SANA agency that the servicemen prevented an attempt by terrorists to infiltrate Abu Ad-Duhur airport. Many of the militants are destroyed or injured. Their technique is defeated.

    Homs
    In the city of Homs in the district of Bab Hood and in the province of Homs in the Al-Khulya district in the villages of Kisin and Taldu, army units attacked the militants' shelters. A large number of terrorists have been eliminated.

    In the city of Tadmore, army units fought back against terrorists attacking checkpoints. As a result, many militants were destroyed and wounded. 4 cars were defeated along with terrorists.
  • igorgar
    igorgar April 5 2013 14: 07 New
    +3
    Syria will be squeezed-this is my subjective opinion. Alas and ah ... It was not without reason that it was all planned to be thrown. But in any case, Bashar al-Assad, the army and the Syrians bow, real men.
    1. garik404
      garik404 April 5 2013 14: 57 New
      +1
      plus information appeared, Hamas went to the side of the Syrian scumbags

      I hope the next nonsense of American cattle.
      http://lenta.ru/news/2013/04/05/hamas/
      1. garik404
        garik404 April 5 2013 15: 00 New
        0
        I hope the next nonsense of American cattle.
        http://lenta.ru/news/2013/04/05/hamas/
  • airatt
    airatt April 5 2013 15: 46 New
    0
    you need to act in such a war as the Shamans acted! block the village where the concentration of militants for civilians give a few hours to get out and hail and artillery just raze them to the ground! and many mercenaries will flee from Syria because they want to live and they need to be crushed by artillery and large-scale offensive towards Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon to force the militants to the border!
  • igor67
    igor67 April 5 2013 15: 49 New
    -2
    Hamas tunnels will be used to storm Damascus
    05.04 13: 03 MIGnews.com

    Hamas militants, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, train Syrian rebels, The Times of London reports.

    The newspaper writes: "" Al-Qassam brigades train entire rebel units in the immediate vicinity of Damascus. A Western diplomat reports: They are real experts. They are really good. "

    Among other things, Hamas “specialists” pass on their skills in building tunnels to the Syrian brothers. It is assumed that the tactics of creating tunnels will be used in the assault on Damascus.

    It is also reported that Hamas militants are taking part in active hostilities in the area of ​​Palestinian refugee camps in Damascus and Aleppo.

    In June, on the outskirts of Damascus, one of the Hamas military commanders, Kamal Hussein Ranaj, was killed. Hamas said Ranaju was liquidated by Israeli agents.
  • VadimSt
    VadimSt April 5 2013 16: 16 New
    +2
    - And why is there so much bile - the Assad regime, the support base of the Assad regime, loyalists.
    Here you and the rebels, and the Syrian fighters, and the secular free Syrian army.
    It looks like the article and the position of the author, was formed by the copyright method.
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi April 5 2013 17: 16 New
    -4
    05.04 13: 03 MIGnews.com
    Hamas militants, the Izz al-Din al-Qassam Brigades, train Syrian rebels, The Times of London reports.
    The newspaper writes: "" Al-Qassam brigades train entire rebel units in the immediate vicinity of Damascus. A Western diplomat reports: They are real experts. They are really good. "
    Among other things, Hamas “specialists” pass on their skills in building tunnels to the Syrian brothers. It is assumed that the tactics of creating tunnels will be used in the assault on Damascus. It is also reported that Hamas militants are taking part in active hostilities in the area of ​​Palestinian refugee camps in Damascus and Aleppo.
    In June, on the outskirts of Damascus, one of the Hamas military commanders, Kamal Hussein Ranaj, was killed. Hamas said Ranaju was liquidated by Israeli agents.
    What is curious is that Hamas kept its headquarters in Damascus for 20 years, trained its militants there and located warehouses. Moreover, all this should have been directed against Israel, and there it was how it turned out.
  • Stavros-dok
    Stavros-dok April 5 2013 18: 28 New
    0
    Congratulations to the Syrian Air Force, which destroyed a quarter of the Turkish special forces
    Confirmation has arrived. As a result of an accurate strike by the Syrian Air Force, 24 elite Turkish special forces from the Special Forces in Special Forces detachment of the General Staff of Turkey were destroyed.

    Turkish interventionists were listed as instructors in Syria. In total, the officer elite detachment of the General Staff of Turkey totaled 100 specially selected officers.

    A combined detachment of Turkish national intelligence and international Islamic terrorists from Turkish territory attacked Al Rai, blocking the police department of this town.
    In addition to the unprecedented insolence of the raid of Turkish military and international terrorists into Syria, new facts have been revealed on Qatar's organization of the terrorist war against Syria.

    Peace be upon you, greyhounds of the Ottomans. Our sincere condolences to Erdogan and our sincere congratulations to the army and air force of the Syrian Arab Republic, and Russian intelligence too.

    Maxpark.com
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 18: 37 New
    +1
    Much more questions are raised by the practice of CAA on the creation of temporary checkpoints, which are usually guarded by several tanks. They remain motionless for a long time and turn into “sitting ducks,” allowing the rebels to choose a convenient position for their defeat. And if in the absence of hidden approaches to tanks such a tactic can still be justified, then in settlements or surrounded by gardens it should be recognized as erroneous


    judging by this video this is really so
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  • Stavros-dok
    Stavros-dok April 5 2013 18: 55 New
    0
    This video is clearly staged. A motionless tank that does not show signs of life with a comfortably lowered gun. A peculiar gangster report for spent money.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 6 2013 17: 26 New
      +1
      In full growth in open areas, sheer cinema, not documentary.