Compulsory placement of university graduates – a new challenge of our time

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Compulsory placement of university graduates – a new challenge of our time


As it was before


When considering the problem of chronic shortage of basic budget specialists – doctors and teachers – one cannot ignore the Soviet experience of organizing higher education. If a Soviet citizen was old enough to study at a university at the expense of the budget (there was no other), then a stable and well-paid job awaited him. Teachers, doctors and engineers were rightfully considered the intellectual elite of the civilian sector of the economy. Only scientific and party workers were higher, perhaps. An even more rapid social elevator was provided by military education, but now we are not talking about it.



The average graduate of a higher educational institution could count on several career paths at once. The first was for the best - this was distribution to Moscow, republican, regional and provincial capitals. Next came industrial centers, and one step lower - the most remote regions and rural settlements. True romantics developed Siberia, the Far East and the Far North. For difficult conditions, they also paid decently.

For top-notch professionals and simply workers in short supply, prospects opened up in the socialist camp countries – Poland, the GDR, Hungary, Cuba, and so on. In addition to excellent studies, party reliability was also required – a mandatory requirement for any foreign assignment. At first glance, it seems that not the most successful students were sent to remote regions. For example, holders of honors diplomas would not be sent to Tyumen or Yakutsk. This is not entirely true. If we take medical and pedagogical education as a benchmark, as fundamental for the social well-being of the population, then the corresponding universities appeared in almost every regional center. Sometimes, even more than one.

Over time, a very well-functioning system was created in the Soviet Union, in which all needs for essential specialists were resolved within the region, territory, and republic. And mandatory distribution was not so traumatic - in most cases, no one was sent to work outside the home region. And it was necessary to work off the budget money for studying at a university for at least 3 years. In the overwhelming majority of cases, this smoothly transitioned from the category of temporary events to permanent ones. Young people settled down, acquired their other halves and children. In rural areas, they became a real intelligentsia, gradually raising the general educational level of the territory. Of course, for many this was a forced and not the most desirable decision, but it was okay - they coped. Times were different, so to speak.


It is worth understanding that a graduate of a medical or pedagogical university, for example, of the 1970 model and a modern one, are not equivalent values. This is putting it mildly. In the era of unbridled capitalism, higher education has become a mandatory component of every self-respecting Russian. And of those who do not respect themselves, too. Not one, but two or three "higher education" has come into fashion. Such multidisciplinary specialists can probably be found in the immediate environment of, perhaps, every reader of "Military Review".

In the 90s and 2000s, there was a real devaluation of the higher education diploma. Not only because the general level fell, but also because of the mass character. A certain elitism was preserved by a few higher education institutions in Russia - Moscow State University, Moscow State Technical University, Moscow Engineering Physics Institute, and so on. But here, too, all sorts of non-core economic, legal, sociological and other faculties popped up like mushrooms after the rain. In many of them, students simply sat around in their pants and skirts, going out into the world as complete ignoramuses with five years of their lives lost. And hundreds of thousands, if not millions of budget rubles spent on them.

A modest justification for such an approach to life can be called a comparative increase in the general cultural level of the population - after all, universal higher education (even correspondence) cannot but affect the quality of human capital. However, this thesis also requires separate study.

Will the market decide?


Currently, a school graduate in the rank of an eleventh-grader can choose three paths of higher education for themselves - budget, budget target and paid. There are three more stages of higher education - bachelor's degree, specialist and master's degree, but this does not matter now. Let's focus on the method of payment for education. If education is paid, then everything is clear - the state, and with them we - taxpayers, should not have any claims. But there are questions about budget education.

The first is why can a person who spent several million rubles from the budget, graduating from a university, afford to work as a salesperson or a courier? Or, for example, go to a neighboring or distant foreign country to earn money? Sometimes, even in their specialty. Logic suggests that this approach can be applied to military universities. Why sign a mandatory contract for five years for a young lieutenant if a graduate of the pedagogical faculty does not go to work in a school? A slightly incorrect comparison, but the principle is similar.

The second question concerns budgetary targeted training. Why has the form of training that guarantees subsequent employment become the lot of "C" students and, at best, "B" students? Applicants who get the minimum passing scores sometimes enroll in targeted training. And these are future teachers, doctors and other highly qualified personnel. It turns out to be a kind of reverse selection, when not the best, but the worst possible ones are hired. At the same time, not all "targeted students" work the required 3-5 years, and some do not work at all after university.

It's all about the mass of legal loopholes and workarounds. Up to the point that the costs of targeted training can be reimbursed so as not to work off the required amount, which ultimately turns out to be more profitable than the paid option. It must be admitted that the concept of targeted training in pedagogy and medicine has shown complete inconsistency. Otherwise, there would not be such a wild shortage of personnel in schools and hospitals. At the same time, competition for medical specialties is very high. Of course, there is less competition for pedagogical ones, but there is no shortage here either.

They thought that the labor market would solve everything, but it didn't work out that way. University graduates in free floating first fill places in commercial medical institutions, then in elite budgetary ones, and then... And then that's it - no one is ready to work voluntarily in the N-skaya village of the N-skaya municipality of the N-skaya region. The lack of qualified medical care and school education leads to the gradual degradation of this very N-skaya village. And young people are already refusing to live and work there, with all the ensuing consequences.


Let us ask the question after all the above – how popular are the changes to the Law on Education now, regulating the admission of applicants to budget places in universities and colleges, subject to their signing agreements on further employment by distribution “according to the qualifications received”? That is, we are returning to the Soviet distribution system. The question is very debatable. This will help fill schools, hospitals and other budget institutions. And will inevitably have a positive effect on the quality of services provided. With the exception of schools – the concept of “service”, as we remember, was recently excluded from education.

There will be several consequences. First of all, the number of applicants to state-funded programs will decrease. Whether this is good or bad is also debatable. The country lacks hundreds of thousands of workers and well-paid hands, and university graduates do not want to work in their specialty. A paradox, and nothing more. Maybe the number of applicants should be reduced precisely by mandatory employment after graduation? The most powerful obstacle to such initiatives will be the university lobby. University rectors will stand up against changes in the law, as they did in 2023 and all subsequent ones. The initiative with mandatory work for university graduates is not new and is discussed in Russia with enviable regularity. Perhaps, more often they only dream of abolishing the Unified State Exam. So far, none of the stories have become reality - someone is constantly interfering.

However, there is another way of development of events. It is not worth racking your brains with the distribution of graduates, but simply and sharply raise the salaries of teachers and doctors. Especially in that N-th village and others like it. But this is already a completely different story.
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  1. +4
    7 May 2025 03: 39
    Or, for example, go to a near or far foreign country to earn money?

    This is called the brain drain... I know such students in the 90s who received a free education at the expense of our taxpayers and went to the USA... and there received citizenship of this country... I'm not even talking about Israel.
    A strange situation... a country foreign to us receives ready-made, educated specialists with higher education, without investing a single dollar in them at Russia's expense... this is direct sabotage against our country in the field of education.
    1. +10
      7 May 2025 04: 34
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      A strange situation... a country foreign to us receives ready-made, educated specialists with higher education, without investing a single dollar in them at Russia's expense... this is direct sabotage against our country in the field of education.

      and those who did not leave do not bring the country a single ruble, doing paperwork and other nonsense, since industrial production turned out to be unnecessary, and many people are not needed for oil production, besides, the equipment is imported, specialists will come from the supplier and set everything up. 70% of our population receives higher education, but why? Because without a higher education they will not hire?
      1. +4
        7 May 2025 04: 44
        Every citizen of Russia should have a higher education... the more educated a person is, the better he understands the world around him and the more capable he is of creating and inventing.
        Another question is how he uses his knowledge in practice...this topic requires deep analysis and understanding.
        70% of our population receives higher education, but why? Because without a higher education they won't hire you

        We have millions of migrants with a village education... why should we breed illiteracy among our citizens?
        The imbalances in education in our country are, of course, absurd.
        There is no competent state policy in this matter...everything is put to serve the immediate interests of bankers and businessmen.
        1. +14
          7 May 2025 06: 47
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Every citizen of Russia should have a higher education... the more educated a person is, the better he understands the world around him and the more capable he is of creating and inventing.

          Well, yes, every citizen of the Russian Federation with higher education , sounds nice. Only this, v.o., for some reason does not give results. In the Russian Federation already more than 26 million citizens with higher education, and success in science and technology... I don't even want to talk about it, it immediately becomes depressing. And some even have two completed universities and... There is no need to breed bureaucracy, a diploma of graduation from a university, guarantees a pass to the authorities. Almost everyone wants to be a boss, examples are right before your eyes.
          Quote: Lech from Android.

          We have millions of migrants with a village education.

          It's easy to solve.We need to stop migration completely.. Conduct the program - Back to the villages, home to Central Asia.
          1. +2
            7 May 2025 09: 30
            "Higher education should be available to every citizen of Russia" - we already had a mandatory 8-year school, then mandatory secondary education. And the higher the bar was raised, the worse the education became. It was impossible to fire a poor student, and they were the informal leaders among their peers, with all the consequences. Some of the most common professions are drivers and salespeople. Why do they need higher education? Don't stick your head in the sand, in my youth (the first half of the 70s) almost all the guys went to college to avoid serving in the army. Cancel the deferment for the duration of their studies and look at the result. Although I am personally against conscription of students, the educational process cannot be interrupted. But you can sign a mandatory contract with the Ministry of Defense on further mandatory service after graduation for public sector employees and mandatory distribution to the place of future work. The solution to the education problem is not at the level of an article on the Higher School of Economics and not even a doctoral dissertation. The Nobel Prize is looming here.
            1. -1
              8 May 2025 20: 22
              Don't exaggerate the problem, it's not about launching a spaceship. It's much simpler.
              1. +1
                8 May 2025 21: 07
                It only seems easier. There are many more industrially developed countries theoretically capable of creating spacecraft than countries that actually launch them into space. But this cannot be done due to the lack of a scientific school, which is impossible without good MASS education, specifically mass education, because several dozen or hundreds of talents cannot handle such programs. So there is a direct connection here.
                1. +1
                  8 May 2025 21: 13
                  The Czech Republic has good mass education. However, some Czechs envy Russia's capabilities in military aviation, the nuclear industry and space. It is much easier to organize mass education than to launch ships into space. Unless, of course, you are dealing with gypsies.
                  1. 0
                    8 May 2025 22: 03
                    There is such a concept - the scale factor. It is much easier to organize mass education in a country with a population of 5 people than in a country with a population of a billion people. Similarly, with envy of Russia - this is a senseless feeling, our opportunities are incomparable with theirs. And regarding the conditional "gypsies" I completely agree with you.
                    1. +1
                      8 May 2025 22: 08
                      In a country with a small population, on the contrary, it is more difficult. Small print runs of textbooks, low prevalence of the language, etc.
                      1. -1
                        8 May 2025 22: 13
                        The circulation of textbooks and the prevalence of the language are not an issue against the backdrop of the problem of control over the process.
          2. -3
            7 May 2025 14: 31
            Quote: Unknown
            Conduct the program - Back to the villages, home to Central Asia.

            This will never happen. The Asian bais will not allow it. They probably perform daily namaz in honor of the Great One, who allowed them to dump the most backward part of the population, moreover, openly Wahhabi, which poses a direct threat to their blessed stay in power, but nevertheless safely ensures a stable influx of capital. The Great One desperately needs the loyalty of the appanage kings, otherwise the Turks, Britons, and Americans will gain loyalty, with a subsequent war between Islam and Orthodoxy. However, the Great One has already sentenced all of us who profess Orthodoxy, judging by the actions of officials in Moscow and the regions and deputies of the State Duma. Geostrategy. Apparently, in his understanding, this is the only way to preserve Russia as an object and subject.
          3. 0
            7 May 2025 18: 04
            This is easily solved. We need to stop migration completely. Conduct a program - Back to the villages, home to Central Asia.

            Well, when... when Muscovites start working as janitors and at construction sites, then we will stop migrating.
        2. +9
          7 May 2025 07: 56
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Every citizen of Russia should have a higher education...

          Well you got it... fellow
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          The more educated a person is, the better he understands the world around him and the more capable he is of creating and inventing.

          Who would doubt it, only if higher education is really of high quality, then it is unlikely that 90-100% will be able to handle it. At best, a third. And now, observing schoolchildren and students, it is clear that only five percent really study hard, the rest "attend"... So why do we need such a population with 100% sham higher education?

          To Article:
          If the training is paid, then everything is clear here - the state, and with them we, the taxpayers, should not have any claims

          And that's true... So the system decided to squeeze/squeeze out budget education. No one in their right mind would go to the middle of nowhere without infrastructure and at least some kind of normal future for 30 thousand a month, so it's easier to pay for education, and then live and work where you want.
          Why can a person who spent several million rubles from the budget, graduating from a university, afford to work as a salesperson or a courier? Or, for example, go to a neighboring or distant foreign country to earn money?

          What a difficult question... Because a courier earns several times more than a doctor or a teacher. And as long as this continues, nothing good awaits us in the future...
          1. -2
            7 May 2025 11: 59
            It depends on where the courier is, only in rich and large cities
          2. -3
            8 May 2025 20: 58
            "A courier earns several times more than a doctor or a teacher." - a good doctor and a good teacher will always earn more than a courier. I hope I don't need to explain how. It's the same in any specialty. Higher education is only the first step, then you need to independently gain experience, qualifications, and not everyone is capable of this. In addition, you should not confuse two concepts - a university diploma and higher education. The "engineers" also believed in Kashpirovsky.
        3. +3
          7 May 2025 10: 38
          Every citizen of Russia should have higher education.


          Well, if the goal is to completely devalue higher education, then we can also introduce universal compulsory higher education.

          The more educated a person is, the better he understands the world around him and the more capable he is of creating and inventing.


          This is provided that the person himself went to education, understood why it was needed and studied conscientiously, otherwise it would be just a sham, like, for example, the level of English proficiency, both in the USSR and in Russia, how much they teach it, starting from grades 3-5 fifth, and only a few percent of schoolchildren really know it well (at least an honest level B1).
        4. +2
          7 May 2025 14: 26
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Every citizen of Russia should have a higher education...

          Higher education is five to six years of life. And usually at the most productive and fertile age. A person takes and sacrifices a considerable percentage of the best years of his life for higher education. And what does he do there? In 95% of cases, he sits there, they will tell him almost nothing useful for his future work. Universities have no connection with the economy at all, and even Moscow State University does not prepare future research staff for Moscow State University - if a graduate has a red diploma, but did not go to the laboratory, and then came to graduate school, then he is slightly better than a first-year student who entered yesterday, he can do nothing, he knows nothing.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          We have millions of migrants with a village education

          who often earn more than people with higher education who go to work in their specialty
        5. -1
          7 May 2025 17: 53
          Every citizen of Russia should have a higher education...

          This was the goal of Fursenko & Co. People have different abilities, which was realized in the USSR at various levels: auxiliary schools, comprehensive schools, boarding schools with in-depth study of individual subjects, vocational schools, technical schools, universities, postgraduate schools.
          In candidate and doctoral theses, the mandatory points were the relevance and novelty of the proposed solutions, confirmed by practical implementation.
          Like a sickle on Faberge was the statement, "the main mistake of the Soviet school is that it raised a creative person, and the task of the modern school is to raise a qualified consumer" and this testament is successfully fulfilled.
    2. +12
      7 May 2025 04: 44
      direct sabotage to pay 26 thousand to an engineer and to go to America is adequacy and intuition))
      1. -12
        7 May 2025 04: 47
        Quote from Mazunga
        direct sabotage to pay 26 thousand to an engineer and to go to America is adequacy and intuition))

        Yes, yes... my intuition and adequacy are that you will pay taxes and benefits to America there... I read the stories of those who fled to the USA smile...how naive people are to think that it is better there than in Russia.
        1. +10
          7 May 2025 05: 38
          yes, there were only fools there if you believe Zadornov)) by the way, the deceased loved to travel to America, now I understand he made money off fools laughing
        2. man
          +13
          7 May 2025 06: 11
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Quote from Mazunga
          direct sabotage to pay 26 thousand to an engineer and to go to America is adequacy and intuition))

          Yes, yes... my intuition and adequacy are that you will pay taxes and benefits to America there... I read the stories of those who fled to the USA smile...how naive people are to think that it is better there than in Russia.

          Unfortunately, smart Soviet natural scientists (physicists, chemists, etc.) and engineers are incomparably better off. But our humanities people are not needed there...
          1. -6
            7 May 2025 06: 17
            Quote: mann
            Unfortunately, intelligent Soviet natural scientists (physicists, chemists, etc.) and engineers are incomparably better off.

            It's better there for people like Kozyrev... this gentleman-traitor for the information he received while serving as the Russian Foreign Ministry now has a jar of jam from the US intelligence services (a cottage, a place at the university, he gets the salary of a director of a co-founder in the company... the comrade is having a blast)
            As for our engineers and scientists there...there is a lot of competition for jobs there...in addition to ours, there are also Chinese, Indians, Ukrainians and other comrades from other countries.
            There are no rivers of milk or banks of jelly there...you have to fight for your destiny just like in Russia...nobody gets anything for free.
            1. man
              +5
              7 May 2025 06: 57
              It would be better to have people like Kozyrev there...this gentleman-traitor now has a jar of jam from the US intelligence services for the information he received while serving as the Russian Foreign Ministry.
              Under the Yeltsinoids, betrayal was indeed the most profitable occupation, but what did this have to do with scientists and engineers, who were completely unclaimed in their homeland? The liberals simply squeezed them out of the country... am
              As for our engineers and scientists there...there is a lot of competition for jobs there...in addition to ours, there are also Chinese, Indians, Ukrainians and other comrades from other countries.
              I don’t know about modern ones, but in the 90s some Chinese and Indians could compete with by soviet scientists, including those from Ukraine... it's funny to even think about it...
              1. 0
                7 May 2025 08: 48
                Quote: mann
                the Chinese and Indians could compete with Soviet scientists,

                On brains - No, but financial requirements - Easy. If Gorby advertised pizza for only 100 bucks, what can we say about scientists. And the Indians lived under capitalism and knew the value of money...
                1. man
                  +4
                  7 May 2025 09: 10
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote: mann
                  the Chinese and Indians could compete with Soviet scientists,

                  On brains - No, but financial requirements - Easy. If Gorby advertised pizza for only 100 bucks, what can we say about scientists. And the Indians lived under capitalism and knew the value of money...

                  I agree that our people didn't know their worth and were happy with small salaries by American standards. But, we must give the Americans their due: when they were convinced of the high level of our specialists, they began to pay very generously. I know of a case when The Soviet scientist, having left for the States, actually maintained his laboratory in Moscow! Unfortunately, I don't remember his last name or even the institute of the USSR Academy of Sciences he was from. My memory started to fail me with age. sad I only remember that his last name was not Slavic... either Caucasian or Central Asian, but his first name was Russian...
                  1. -2
                    7 May 2025 09: 18
                    Quote: mann
                    I know of a case where a Soviet scientist, having left for the States, actually maintained his laboratory in Moscow!

                    In 1991-92, renting a good apartment in Moscow on Leninsky Prospekt cost 100 bucks a month - a classmate from Bulgaria rented it. In 1995, a new Ford 3 years old cost 12 bucks.
                    So if he gave a thousand bucks a month, it could well be enough.
                    1. man
                      +1
                      7 May 2025 09: 22
                      Quote: your1970
                      Quote: mann
                      I know of a case where a Soviet scientist, having left for the States, actually maintained his laboratory in Moscow!

                      In 1991-92, renting a good apartment in Moscow on Leninsky Prospekt cost 100 bucks a month - a classmate from Bulgaria rented it. In 1995, a new Ford 3 years old cost 12 bucks.
                      So if he gave a thousand bucks a month, it could well be enough.

                      So by the time I found out, he was running his own laboratory. for several years now, and he paid not only salaries, but also paid for everything the laboratory needed for normal operation!
                    2. +1
                      7 May 2025 09: 24
                      In 1995, a brand new 3-year-old Ford cost $12.
                      And now "Largus" is the same...
                      1. -3
                        7 May 2025 09: 27
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        In 1995, a brand new 3-year-old Ford cost $12.
                        And now "Largus" is the same...

                        We never had adequate auto industry. Maybe 5 years after the construction of VAZ....
                        The cost price of a VAZ 2101 was 970 rubles in 1979, and the government sold it for 5.
                        feel
                      2. +3
                        7 May 2025 09: 42
                        Quote: your1970
                        The state sold it for 5.

                        Not 5100?
                        I'm not here to argue, I'm just asking for clarification. feel
                      3. -3
                        7 May 2025 15: 07
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        Quote: your1970
                        The state sold it for 5.

                        Not 5100?
                        I'm not here to argue, I'm just asking for clarification. feel

                        My father's uncle, as a veteran, bought it in 1979, the price was 5. Perhaps it was already some 800 or 21013. I won't argue - I don't remember the exact model.
                  2. 0
                    7 May 2025 14: 16
                    In the late 5s, $XNUMX in external funding was enough for a small laboratory in Moscow. In the XNUMXs, a thousand bucks could probably support an entire floor at the institute...
                    1. man
                      -1
                      7 May 2025 20: 50
                      Quote from alexoff
                      In the late 5s, $XNUMX in external funding was enough for a small laboratory in Moscow. In the XNUMXs, a thousand bucks could probably support an entire floor at the institute...

                      Including imported equipment? I understand your skepticism, but you judge taking into account bourgeois realities, and this was a Soviet person, and a major scientist at that, and they had other priorities...
              2. 0
                7 May 2025 21: 06
                I don't know about modern ones, but the fact that in the 90s some Chinese and Indians could compete with Soviet scientists, including those from Ukraine... it's funny to even think about it...

                Look at the contents of professional journals published by Elsivier, it would be good if there was one article with Soviet authors per thousand. In the eighties, the USSR lagged behind the USA in the field of microelectronics, special alloys, polymers was about 10 years.
                1. man
                  -1
                  8 May 2025 07: 57
                  Quote: Sensor
                  I don't know about modern ones, but the fact that in the 90s some Chinese and Indians could compete with Soviet scientists, including those from Ukraine... it's funny to even think about it...

                  Look at the contents of professional journals published by Elsivier, it would be good if there was one article with Soviet authors per thousand. In the eighties, the USSR lagged behind the USA in the field of microelectronics, special alloys, polymers was about 10 years.

                  I don't know about special alloys and polymers, but I knew that in the 80s the USSR was colossally behind the States in microelectronics, even without your magazine. I was drooling in 80 when I read that a 1 megabit or byte memory chip appeared in the States, I don't remember anymore. This is despite the fact that we were developing 3 kilobits on RU16... sad This is for example.
                  But I want to emphasize, We were lagging behind in terms of the element base, but this lagging behind stimulated the emergence of amazing systems engineers! Can you imagine how we had to spin around?
                  "Necessity for inventions is cunning!" smile
                  Of course, the lag affected the size of our systems and devices... one can only guess what heights ours would have reached when Western chips became available to us... sad
                  1. 0
                    8 May 2025 09: 21
                    Can you imagine how we had to spin around?

                    At that time, I was busy and reading magazines, ordering copies of articles on the MBA.
                    stimulated the emergence of amazing systems engineers

                    To confirm this, it is necessary to compare the efficiency of the created systems, and their parameters and operating principles were secret.
                    1. man
                      -1
                      8 May 2025 09: 42
                      At that time, I was busy and reading magazines, ordering copies of articles on the MBA.
                      Personally, I didn't need any articles, when I finished my system for my dissertation, the boss suddenly asked me to add additional functions to it. I walked around the lab for a week and told everyone how "stupid" the boss was (!) and that no one needed it, etc. laughing Then, I went to Lenin Library, ordered a bunch of literature, leafed through it, found nothing useful for myself, just "water", and realized that I wouldn't be able to get by for free. smile and got to work. I went to the acoustics guys, asked a couple of questions, sat down in the kitchen at night with a couple of packs of cigarettes and a can of instant coffee and drew a diagram in a couple of hours! I didn't even smoke half a pack laughing
                      My character is so... strange. request smile
                      1. +2
                        8 May 2025 10: 05
                        and in a couple of hours I drew a diagram!

                        Actually, it is customary to brag after the system has been adopted in hardware, but oh well.
                      2. man
                        -1
                        8 May 2025 10: 25
                        Quote: Sensor
                        and in a couple of hours I drew a diagram!

                        Actually, it is customary to brag after the system has been adopted in hardware, but oh well.

                        Well, that's the point, the circuit turned out to be working, I adjusted it after installation. laughing
                    2. man
                      -1
                      8 May 2025 10: 21
                      [quote]stimulated the emergence of amazing systems engineers[/quote]
                      To confirm this, it is necessary to compare the efficiency of the created systems, and their parameters and operating principles were secret.[/quote]
                      When I talked about amazing systems engineers, I didn't mean myself at all.
                      At one time, a guy from some huge "box" contacted me, after the "general declassification" I realized that it was named after Khrunichev, where he was then the head of a sector. I won't tell you how he even found out about my existence, it's a long story. Now that was a REAL GENIUS!!!
                      My boss was a mechanic and didn't know much about systems engineering.
                      That's why I consider this guy to be my mentor.
                      I still regret that I refused to go to work for him, saying that I had to finish my dissertation first... Eh...
                      Here comes an idea, you start telling him and you can see in his eyes that he understands you!!! I couldn't do that, I didn't have enough talent, I had to sit through the night or even more with the diagram, then ask questions when there were any...
                      In general, I was slow-witted compared to him... it was even offensive request smile What a joy it was to work with such a person!!! Communicating with him, I grew as a specialist by leaps and bounds!
                      But I would never have reached his level... or rather, maybe I would have reached it, but by that time he would have already gone far ahead!!!
                      Of course, Mishka was much more experienced, after all, he was 10 years older, I was 23, he was 33, but a GENIUS is a GENIUS! I was definitely not a genius request
            2. +1
              7 May 2025 11: 16
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              There is a lot of competition for jobs there... in addition to ours, there are also Chinese, Indians, Ukrainians and other comrades from other countries.
              There are no rivers of milk and jelly banks there...you have to fight for your destiny just like in Russia

              The competition there is big, much higher than here, and the demands are much higher, and you have to literally gnaw out a place in the sun with your knowledge, skills, and powerful work capacity. Not everyone can withstand this, not everyone can cope. But few have returned, maybe also because the most ambitious people with a strong character leave, it helps them overcome all the difficulties in a new place.
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Nobody gets anything for free.

              It's the same everywhere. Young specialists are leaving us for the capital. The work is the same, the salary is three times higher. So who will be left on the periphery in ten years? The old people will retire, and the promising youth will disperse to the capitals/abroad...
              1. -1
                7 May 2025 12: 02
                there will be no one left on the outskirts, the cities are empty and pensioners are living out their days
                1. +2
                  7 May 2025 12: 12
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  there will be no one left on the periphery

                  The problem is that 95% of the country's territory is the periphery...
                  1. -1
                    7 May 2025 12: 21
                    only large cities remain and where there is high-paying work, the rest of the cities are half empty and this is the center
          2. +7
            7 May 2025 07: 16
            Quote: mann
            But our humanities people didn't give a damn there...
            They haven't given up here either... wink
            1. man
              +5
              7 May 2025 07: 22
              Quote: Luminman
              Quote: mann
              But our humanities people didn't give a damn there...
              They haven't given up here either... wink

              Oh, come on, judging by the rewards, especially the propaganda ones, this is the current "scientific elite"! request sad
            2. +3
              7 May 2025 07: 37
              You won’t believe it, but teachers and doctors are humanities specialists.
              1. +6
                7 May 2025 07: 43
                Where do doctors fit in as humanists? Only psychoanalysts.
                1. +4
                  7 May 2025 07: 54
                  So, in your opinion, a doctor is a techie?
                  1. +4
                    7 May 2025 08: 08
                    In your opinion, all of humanity is divided into "physicists" and "lyricists"?
                    Medicine is a natural discipline.
                    1. +5
                      7 May 2025 08: 15
                      Well, the world is becoming more complicated. A therapist is definitely a humanities person. But research is conducted by techies.
                      However, I'm talking about something else, who are those humanities people who are of no use here.
                      1. +2
                        7 May 2025 08: 23
                        However, I'm talking about something else, who are those humanities people who are of no use here.
                        I agree with that.
                  2. 0
                    7 May 2025 09: 31
                    Yes!!! At least because a good doctor should know chemistry, and not only within the framework of the school program. The approach of a doctor and a repairman (and there a higher education is still desirable) is basically the same.
              2. man
                0
                7 May 2025 08: 43
                Quote: Gardamir
                You won’t believe it, but teachers and doctors are humanities specialists.

                For teachers, this is determined by the subject they teach.
              3. +3
                7 May 2025 11: 04
                Quote: Gardamir
                You won't believe it, but teachers and doctors are humanities people.
                I'm talking about those muddy lawyers and economists who are being slapped together by some cloudy universities...
                1. +1
                  7 May 2025 19: 39
                  Quote: Luminman
                  I'm talking about those shady lawyers and economists that some shady universities produce...

                  We have been graduating more engineers than lawyers and economists for a long time now.
                  According to data provided by the ISSEK, admission to engineering and technical programs has exceeded 31% of the total intake since 2018, and in absolute terms, it has grown by almost 50 thousand people during this time.
                  https://skillbox.ru/media/education/vsye-bolshe-abiturientov-idut-uchitsya-na-inzhenerov-no-vypusk-poka-snizhaetsya/
                  and 90% of the lawyers who graduate go into government service... or into court with the prosecutor's office and legal departments - should we put the techies in jail?
                  Quote: Luminman
                  shady lawyers and economists who are churned out by some shady universities...

                  These are mainly those who receive a second education for career advancement.
                  it was different in the 90s, but now for the last 15 years the majority of graduates are engineers... where is the mega-increase? or is there simply nowhere for them to work?
        3. 0
          7 May 2025 06: 55
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          Quote from Mazunga
          direct sabotage to pay 26 thousand to an engineer and to go to America is adequacy and intuition))

          Yes, yes... my intuition and adequacy are that you will pay taxes and benefits to America there... I read the stories of those who fled to the USA smile...how naive people are to think that it is better there than in Russia.

          That's why the children and grandchildren of the General Secretaries and the Politburo rushed to live in the USA....
          All these people are naive...
          1. +3
            7 May 2025 07: 42
            Everything is relative. The government will change and the children and grandchildren of the presidents will go to the USA...
            1. -3
              7 May 2025 08: 45
              Quote: Gardamir
              Everything is relative. The government will change and the children and grandchildren of the presidents will go to the USA...

              The current ones will definitely go - and it is quite clear why and with what money.
              But what money the children of the Politburo members lived on there is a real intrigue, after all they were unmercenary lol in the Politburo
              1. 0
                7 May 2025 09: 18
                the scheme is simple for the content of the CPA they leafed through other leftist parties and with the bosses the agreement was 50/50 I was in Angola watching the gifts to Mabunu wink and there were tears and Belarus tractors) well, maybe the numbers and others, but the road is rolled out, so this is a poor country, by the way, when schools and theaters in Central Asia are built for free using the Russian budget, do you think that everything goes to schools))?
                1. -4
                  7 May 2025 09: 19
                  Quote from Mazunga
                  Central Asia

                  I have lived my whole life practically on the border with Kazakhstan - I know everything perfectly well. Whether in the USSR or now...
                  1. +1
                    7 May 2025 09: 21
                    I got my first tech in Tashkent back in the USSR on the Sary-Kul railway))
            2. +2
              7 May 2025 16: 25
              Quote: Gardamir
              Everything is relative. The government will change and the children and grandchildren of the presidents will go to the USA...

              That's right. Stalin's daughter, for example.. Svetlana Aliluyeva. Was a US citizen...
        4. +3
          7 May 2025 10: 29
          How naive people are to think that it is better there than in Russia.


          On average, of course, it’s better, that’s why there’s a flow of migration there to the West; the average engineer, scientist, programmer, athlete can afford more there.
      2. +2
        7 May 2025 08: 45
        Quote from Mazunga
        direct sabotage pay 26 thousand to the engineer

        This is not a problem for those who run the plant, but for those who run the industry as a whole. You can't earn much with backward technologies, and you can't increase labor productivity. If we are in 43rd place in terms of R&D spending, then what kind of high salaries can we talk about?
        1. +3
          7 May 2025 10: 30
          Well, however, the same Rogozin, as the head of Roscosmos, received much more than the head of NASA, and this is true in all areas, for some reason the management does not share your opinion about backward technologies and small salaries.
    3. +5
      7 May 2025 10: 27
      A strange situation... a country foreign to us receives ready-made, educated specialists with higher education, without investing a single dollar in them at Russia's expense... this is direct sabotage against our country in the field of education.


      In a number of European countries (and maybe even in most) higher education is free, even for foreign students. In the same Czech Republic, up until 22, more than 5000 students from Russia studied and no one is talking about any kind of sabotage. We need to create conditions in the country so that specialists do not want to leave, but on the contrary, come to us.
      1. 0
        7 May 2025 19: 43
        Quote: Oldrover
        In a number of European countries (and maybe even in most) higher education is free, even for foreign students; in the Czech Republic, for example, more than 22 students from Russia studied until 5000

        Well, it's free, only for those who study well. + free accommodation and + a scholarship for excellent students...
      2. 0
        11 May 2025 11: 11
        Why is it free? Higher education in the US and Europe is available to only a few because of its unimaginable cost. It is not cheap here, it is several times higher than ours.
        1. 0
          11 May 2025 12: 49
          Higher education in the US and Europe is available to only a few due to its unimaginable cost


          I don’t know about the US, but in Europe in many countries it’s free, I repeat, even for foreigners, and it’s accessible to a wide segment of the population.
          1. 0
            Yesterday, 21: 20
            Quote: Oldrover
            even for foreigners

            This is an exchange program. HSE is not free for mass consumption anywhere.
            1. 0
              Yesterday, 22: 30
              You should study the material before writing, for example, in the Czech Republic higher education is free for everyone including foreigners, this is enshrined in law, in Austria it is free for all EU citizens, as well as in Iceland, Germany (and in Germany even for foreigners it is free in most universities), etc.
    4. +2
      8 May 2025 02: 51
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      .a country foreign to us receives ready-made, educated specialists with higher education, without investing a single dollar in them at Russia's expense

      What prevents Russia from getting graduates from the Sorbonne, Caltech, Cambridge or Oxford? Did the Russian tsars lure Germans from Europe to the Academy of Sciences, who outnumbered native Russians in Russian science in the 18th century? Probably, a Russian engineer simply needs to be paid a little more than an Uzbek courier.
    5. 0
      11 May 2025 07: 04
      This concerned only a few and probably only technical specialists. In the US, no one gives a damn about our diplomas, especially medical diplomas.
  2. +12
    7 May 2025 03: 50
    After the nautical school, there was distribution to specialized offices and no one showed up, but worked in their specialty....
    P.S. Happy Radio Day to all my fellow communications workers!
    1. man
      +6
      7 May 2025 06: 18
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      After the nautical school, there was distribution to specialized offices and no one showed up, but worked in their specialty....
      P.S. Happy Radio Day to all my fellow communications workers!

      My military specialty was a radio communications platoon commander. Although I didn't serve after the institute training camp, thank you anyway! smile
      Congratulations to all true communications specialists! drinks
    2. +7
      7 May 2025 06: 58
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      After the nautical school, there was distribution to specialized offices and no one showed up, but worked in their specialty....
      P.S. Happy Radio Day to all my fellow communications workers!

      What should happen if they used to pay well, but now they want people to work for food.
      1. +8
        7 May 2025 07: 29
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        and now they want people to work for food.

        And they are "sincerely" surprised why they don't want to... "They've become spoiled."
        1. -4
          7 May 2025 15: 14
          Quote: Doccor18
          Quote from ARIONkrsk
          and now they want people to work for food.

          And they are "sincerely" surprised why they don't want to... "They've become spoiled."

          Transport security of Russian Railways.
          4000 shift, 4 hours on, XNUMX on, guarding an empty station - working with passengers XNUMX hours a day. The rest of the time the building is tightly closed.
          2 vacancies....
          1. +1
            7 May 2025 15: 52
            Quote: your1970
            4000 shift, three days on and three days off,

            28-32 thousand per month, and "don't deny yourself anything"...
            1. 0
              7 May 2025 19: 31
              Quote: Doccor18
              Quote: your1970
              4000 shift, three days on and three days off,

              28-32 thousand per month, and ""Don't deny yourself anything"...

              Won ...
              I am a "damn bureaucrat!!" (c), a civil servant with the maximum bonus for length of service, rank and difficulty I receive 37 000 clean per month and I can "deny myself nothing"...
              For 37 citizens I face they say - that "You are a saint, a bastard, a snake!!!!"
              Has it been a long time since someone told you that to your face??!!!
              And quite often for me. Citizens come wound up - we start to sort it out, it turns out dad, according to the passport Serik Bisembaevich was registered in the collective farm as Sergei Borisovich and the certificate for the land share was issued to him like that belay
              Dad died in 1998, mom died in 2010 without inheriting. And now their child has decided to inherit.
              Naturally, the notary sent him - the certificate is for one person, the property is for another.
              It comes to us and the bagpipes begin" You are obliged belay make corrections! "
              Explaining that the Land Committees were liquidated 20 years ago is pointless. It writes complaints to all abbreviations including the AP. Everyone takes turns raping me, everyone tells it that the only way to confirm kinship is through the courts.
              And this is NOT an isolated case.
              After the Federal Tax Service was cut (there are 5 departments left in the region), people come to us, but why do I receive taxes???
              We start to figure it out - they sold the property, but did not reach the Registration Chamber (state duty must be paid). And they are absolutely sure that they have no property.
              And now my colleague was laid off as part of the 10% cuts in the Presidential budget: that is, I will have to listen to the swearing for myself and "that guy"...
              Has it been a while since someone filmed you on a phone?
              It's too late to change professions - 55 year olds with sore legs are of no use to anyone

              Z. S
              In your opinion, this is comparable to security. EMPTY station?!!!
              1. +1
                8 May 2025 10: 04
                A very frank comment.
                Quote: your1970
                Do you think this is comparable to guarding an EMPTY train station?!!!

                Yes, we have a lot of things that are incomparable now. But the salaries of most people have long since become divorced from the harsh reality. I can't imagine how you can live on 37 thousand now, for one person and that's barely enough, saving on everything, and if you have a family, children...
                Quote: your1970
                "You're a saint, you're a bastard, you're a piece of shit!!!!"
                Has it been a long time since someone told you that to your face??!!!

                They probably say worse things behind your back laughing winked Now we all know how to treat correctly, some even start teaching, and even try to examine...
                Quote: your1970
                Has it been a while since someone filmed you on a phone?

                So this is our population's favorite activity. Who and how they don't film...
            2. -2
              7 May 2025 19: 45
              Quote: Doccor18
              28-32 thousand per month, and "don't deny yourself anything"...

              such a schedule is 7-8 working days a month... for such a number of days - a normal salary... especially for a retired security guard...
              1. +1
                8 May 2025 09: 48
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                especially for the fact that he is a retired watchman..

                It might be normal for a pensioner, but somehow I doubt that they recruit 60-65 year olds for transport security. But for a middle-aged man with a family, it's mere pennies.
                1. -1
                  8 May 2025 10: 25
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  But for a middle-aged man with a family, this is mere pennies.

                  Well, that's the kind of man he is.. It's clear that 50-60 salaries aren't lying around, in our region at least.. But 35-40 isn't that hard to find.. That is, you can find 40 for a full month.. Even in a taxi in a rented car it's 45-50.. But there you have to work an order of magnitude harder than sitting - kicking around 7 days a month and 32.. That's why in this particular scenario - his laziness is the reason... Although it's possible that he makes something, earns money somehow.. It's not laziness, but calculation.. I have a friend who works like that and also grows flowers at the same time
          2. 0
            11 May 2025 07: 05
            I would be shot on the spot for this train schedule.
      2. +8
        7 May 2025 07: 33
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        What should happen if they used to pay normally?

        Let me disagree with you!
        If a Soviet citizen was old enough to study at a university at public expense (there was no other option), then he was in for stable and well-paid work. Teachers, doctors and engineers were rightfully considered the intellectual elite of the civilian sector of the economy.
        Having read such nonsense, I stopped reading further. An engineer, doctor or teacher after university received much less than the average plumber. And if somewhere in the outskirts, in the backwoods - then even pennies. And you won't leave - distribution!
        1. 0
          11 May 2025 07: 06
          Well, not less than a plumber, of course, but less than a skilled worker. But you only had to work for 3 years.
    3. +1
      7 May 2025 12: 08
      Happy Holidays to everyone involved!
  3. WIS
    +1
    7 May 2025 04: 06
    First, why can a person who spent several million rubles from the budget, upon graduating from a university, afford to work as a salesperson or courier?

    To promise is not to marry.
    The restrictions in the contract are what they are guided by.
    It must be admitted that the concept of targeted training in pedagogy and medicine has shown complete inconsistency. Otherwise, there would not be such a wild shortage of personnel in schools and hospitals.

    If one channel of a river has weakened, this is not evidence that the river has dried up when another channel has widened.
    And in principle, this is not correct: comparing tree crowns without looking at their roots.
  4. WIS
    +3
    7 May 2025 04: 18
    Teachers, doctors and engineers were rightfully considered intellectual elite civil sector of the economy.

    "Dearie", today one hypostasis is at the head of everything - Business with a "presidential parting word".
    Throw this combination out of your head, and out of the article before the discussion... request
  5. +7
    7 May 2025 04: 38
    There is a shortage of teachers, but there is no end to the tutors! There are not enough doctors in free medicine, but in paid medicine there is something for every taste! Bad free medicine greatly contributes to the flow of clients to paid medicine
    1. +6
      7 May 2025 07: 44
      You won't believe it, but there is no difference, bad free ones go to bad paid ones.
      1. -1
        7 May 2025 09: 27
        Quote: Gardamir
        You won't believe it, but there is no difference, bad free ones go to bad paid ones.

        And this is undoubtedly the case, but the chances are still not 50/50.
      2. man
        0
        7 May 2025 09: 52
        Quote: Gardamir
        You won't believe it, but there is no difference, bad free ones go to bad paid ones.

        After Covid, paid ones have gone crazy, forcing you to pay for a bunch of unnecessary crap, and there is no result. If possible, the best option is to support free ones.
        1. +3
          7 May 2025 12: 26
          Quote: mann
          If possible, the best option is to support free ones.

          As if they were from different planets. Before lunch in the free one, after lunch in the paid one. And so are two thirds of the doctors.
          1. man
            -1
            7 May 2025 12: 28
            Quote: FIR FIR
            Quote: mann
            If possible, the best option is to support free ones.

            As if they were from different planets. Before lunch in the free one, after lunch in the paid one. And so are two thirds of the doctors.

            So I was lucky to stumble upon one of the remaining third. smile
            1. 0
              7 May 2025 12: 31
              It looks like it.
              Quote: mann
              they make you pay for a bunch of unnecessary crap, but there is no result
              Salary depends on revenue.
              1. man
                0
                7 May 2025 12: 34
                Quote: FIR FIR
                It looks like it.
                Quote: mann
                they make you pay for a bunch of unnecessary crap, but there is no result
                Salary depends on revenue.

                It's not just about the salary, the owners are forcing it. They had downtime during Covid, but they didn't reduce rent or other expenses...
                1. 0
                  7 May 2025 12: 39
                  Quote: mann
                  the owners force

                  Not without it.
      3. -1
        7 May 2025 14: 08
        And I didn't say that the paid ones are good. But in the free ones you can stand in line for 2-3 months to remove a kidney stone, and they will cure you there, and in a paid one you will be cured in about the same way next week. And there may be the same doctor there, he just works two days in a free hospital, and three days in a paid one
      4. 0
        11 May 2025 07: 08
        I disagree. A private clinic won't hire you even as a nurse without practice and experience.
        1. 0
          11 May 2025 09: 15
          I have experience working badly. Then I work in a paid job as well.
  6. +14
    7 May 2025 04: 48
    Here we are all somehow being tossed about, now in one direction, now in another. We do something that seems "good", and then we significantly influence something else and doubly so, it turns out that the problems are not being solved endlessly, but rather that they are being increased. I don't even know how to raise the level of higher education in the current reality, the programs are outdated, now the institutes do not train specialists, they earn money, and this is a problem with the system, we earn money everywhere now, with the exception of some professions that are unlucky... I also see little feasibility in raising the prestige of professions in the current system of management and the values ​​of the state and society. We seem to be constantly talking about this, but things are still the same. Well, they will make mandatory distribution, and 70% will run away in 3 years and forget these industries as a bad dream. To begin with, these professions should at least be made workable, well, let's take the same teachers (you can also take doctors, and engineers, or any public sector employee), the unfortunate teachers are not protected by law at all, you can come up and just slap a teacher and nothing will happen to anyone, and if a teacher just tries to put a student in his place, there will be a scandal throughout the country. Teachers do not teach children now, they are busy with a huge layer of useless work, all sorts of papers, reports, methodological work, filling out journals, checking notebooks, as a result you get a full-fledged work shift, where you only have to crawl home, go to bed, and in the morning everything starts again. And all this for a ridiculous 30 thousand rubles, and not 71 as they said on the news recently, an entry-level specialist even less than 30. What kind of distribution are we talking about, you have entire professions, industries, ready to even go to the streets to earn money, as couriers, taxi drivers, cut eyelashes, so what? They pay more, there are fewer reports, a flexible schedule, and the management is driving us crazy. They created such a system, and now we complain, while no one wants to change the system itself, and there is an eternal look back at the experience of the USSR, which simply physically cannot work in our "real, fair" capitalism...
    1. +10
      7 May 2025 06: 39
      I don’t even know how to raise the level of higher education in the current reality.
      Since the 90s and today, many things in Russia are difficult to explain by anything other than an external ban on Russia's development. This is evident in education, the independent Central Bank, sanctions, and many other things. The creative impulse of the USSR (already in 1919 - literacy, industrialization, the best Soviet education system) was extinguished. The traders overcame the creators. Education will rise when it is in demand.
      The departure of the "brains", artists, athletes, ... should be correctly understood as theft. This is the theft of culture - the highest achievements of the people. And many of us admire - ah, they show our heights. No, these are thieves, culture-fags. Admiration for thieves is our pot-headedness, the same as in Ukraine "this is Europe".
      1. +8
        7 May 2025 06: 57
        It's just that we used to be able to attract other people's brains. Since the times of Ivan III. And Europe, oddly enough, has not become impoverished. The regime of a besieged fortress is a road to nowhere. The exchange of ideas, achievements, people is normal. Just don't tell me that there is nothing to take from there except moral decay. Everyone finds what they are looking for. And we have plenty of nastiness too.
      2. man
        +5
        7 May 2025 07: 48
        Education will rise when it is in demand.
        The trouble is that when good education is in demand, there will be no good teachers left... sad
      3. +2
        7 May 2025 10: 46
        The departure of the "brains", artists, athletes... should be correctly understood as theft.


        Let's be honest, let's imagine that in the USSR there was always free travel abroad, like we have now, then we would have exactly the same problem of brain drain, athletes, artists, etc.
        1. 0
          7 May 2025 14: 28
          It is as impossible to imagine as to imagine the "always free exit" of a liver cell from one organism to another organism. The most valuable essence of the Soviet period in our entire 1000-year history is that it was the closest to the natural organic state of the population. "Free exit" is one of the clear signs of the unhealthiness of the population, which is what we have, and what we have is depopulation. Compare honestly the strength of the USSR and the strength of the Russian Federation. Remembering that the USSR itself created its strength, and the Russian Federation is completely based on that, not yet completely squandered, strength of the USSR.
          1. 0
            7 May 2025 15: 19
            Quote: Alexander Ra
            “Free exit” is one of the clear signs of an unhealthy population, which is what we have, and what we have is depopulation.

            So, is fencing yourself off the path to recovery? belay Technologically advanced countries of the world are surprised.
            In the USSR, when they gradually gave foreign technical literature to read, people were very surprised. Then, however, they got into trouble "for groveling before the West"...
            1. -2
              7 May 2025 15: 50
              There is no contradiction. Everything healthy has protection, membranes. Does anyone, for example, refuse skin covering-fencing from the environment? Sufficient protection is also necessary for a people-population. This protection does not prevent the assimilation of what is necessary from the outside. It is important to track the relationship between the processes of assimilation (development, nutrition) and dissimilation (decay).
              1. 0
                7 May 2025 19: 49
                Quote: Alexander Ra
                There is no contradiction. Everything healthy has protection, membranes. Does anyone, for example, refuse skin covering-fencing from the environment? Sufficient protection is also necessary for a people-population. This protection does not prevent the assimilation of what is necessary from the outside. It is important to track the relationship between the processes of assimilation (development, nutrition) and dissimilation (decay).

                The DPRK in comparison with South Korea - they won't agree... and don't talk about mega achievements - without the help of China, the younger brother, they wouldn't even be 10%...
          2. +2
            7 May 2025 17: 23
            Compare honestly the strength of the USSR and the strength of the Russian Federation.


            The point is that the USSR did not have a problem with brain drain, or it was not significant at all due to closed borders.

            “Free exit” is one of the clear signs of an unhealthy population, which is what we have, and what we have is depopulation.


            Well, you're just like Orwell: "freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength."
        2. +1
          7 May 2025 16: 49
          laughing Unfortunately, we had a border not to contain external pressure but to stop internal pressure
        3. -1
          11 May 2025 07: 11
          I don't give a damn about athletes. The most useless category, producing and creating nothing.
      4. 0
        11 May 2025 07: 10
        And can you tell me how these, as you put it, traders interfere with creation? And how will the economy function without trade?
    2. +5
      7 May 2025 06: 42
      Quote from turembo
      Teachers don't teach children now, they are busy with a huge layer of useless work, all sorts of papers, reports, methodological work, filling out journals, checking notebooks,

      Absolutely right. They thought that introducing computers would help, but no. The reporting has not decreased. As for prestige and quality. Increase the salaries of teachers and doctors to a decent level. Provide housing first of all, for three years. You work, you stay, you get this apartment for permanent use. So that they don’t have to think about where to earn extra money. And also, oblige all deputies to be treated in the hospital (clinic) in the district from which they were elected. And immediately there will be equipment and medicines, which are so lacking.
      1. +3
        7 May 2025 07: 33
        The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

        Quote: Egoza
        They thought that introducing computers would help, but no. The reporting has not decreased.

        It's time to introduce the position of teacher assistant for reporting laughing

        A simple question: why do people need knowledge?

        If Russia is a gas station, then the Unified State Exam will suffice.
        If industrialization 2.0, then the approach to education is different.
        Education is given to the people as needed to solve problems determined by the authorities.

        It's interesting that everyone talks about capitalism, healthy competition, but why are there so many universities, why are there paid places? Can that same competition arise with such an approach? No. So we get a bunch of certified mediocrities...
      2. +1
        7 May 2025 09: 42
        Quote: Egoza
        Increase the salaries of teachers and doctors to a decent level. Provide housing first

        This is not science fiction for today, because peripheral capitalism does not need millions of teachers and doctors here, it does not need science and art, it does not need development. It is much easier to manage illiterate cattle, and to service the "pipe" you do not need many highly qualified personnel, and they do not need many doctors, in extreme cases, you can fly to Israel for treatment...
        1. 0
          11 May 2025 11: 48
          Quote: Doccor18
          It is much easier to manage illiterate cattle, and to service the "pipeline" you don't need a lot of highly qualified personnel, and they don't need many doctors, in extreme cases you can fly to Israel for treatment...

          This is not the point at all. Capitalism is competition and the pursuit of profit, which means saving on everything possible, primarily on wages and social services. Hence all these optimizations of education, health care, science and other infrastructure.
      3. 0
        7 May 2025 10: 04
        None of this works.
        Quote: Egoza
        Provide housing first of all, for three years. Worked, stay, get this apartment for permanent use.

        They receive it and still abandon it and leave (and they do the right thing). It's just that the approach to the problem is fundamentally wrong.
        We don't need the extremely harmful "Young Specialist" program in the district center. Instead, we should have created "Old Specialist" laughing.
        I am absolutely serious. And there are several reasons for this.
      4. -3
        7 May 2025 12: 12
        Here doctors and teachers are given apartments, but only after you have worked there for 10 years
        1. 0
          7 May 2025 12: 41
          Quote: Nastia Makarova
          They give you apartments but only after you work for 10 years

          Where to live for 10 years? In a rented place? Great! There's probably no end to those who want to wassat
          1. -3
            7 May 2025 13: 15
            No, they give out service housing, after 10 years it's yours
            1. +1
              7 May 2025 13: 17
              so this is a standard program for a zemstvo doctor or teacher.
              In 10 years - a house, in 5 years - a car. But I haven't seen a queue of people wanting one.
              1. -3
                7 May 2025 13: 19
                this is not a village in one of the most expensive cities for housing)))) and the program was previously only on paper, but now it has started working
                1. +2
                  7 May 2025 13: 22
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  the program was previously only on paper, but now it's working

                  We've had it for about 10 years now, if not more. But in my opinion, it's a complete failure.
                  Quote: Nastia Makarova
                  in one of the most expensive cities for housing

                  That's why it's called "zemsky", because it's only held in rural areas and district-level cities. I've never heard of it being held in big cities.
                  1. -3
                    7 May 2025 13: 28
                    we have it in our third capital))))
                    1. 0
                      7 May 2025 17: 02
                      we have it in our third capital))))

                      Where is it? hi
                      1. 0
                        8 May 2025 13: 13
                        City of Sochi
                      2. -1
                        8 May 2025 13: 15
                        City of Sochi

                        I see. Thanks for the clarification. hi
                        Nastya, are there not enough teachers in Sochi? Or are there too many?
                      3. -1
                        8 May 2025 13: 16
                        There aren't enough, and doctors too, I think, like everywhere else
                  2. -1
                    7 May 2025 13: 29
                    Teachers are also paid rent compensation in the amount of 20 thousand every month
      5. -2
        7 May 2025 15: 23
        Quote: Egoza
        Provide housing first of all, for three years. Worked, stay, get this apartment for permanent use

        The people (doctors) live for some time and then leave.
        Because in the region, in a paid one, a more or less good doctor earns 150 a month...
        Considering that recently you could buy a luxurious two-room apartment for 3 million, a mortgage with such a salary is paid off very quickly
    3. man
      +4
      7 May 2025 07: 38
      “Wherever you throw it, there’s a wedge everywhere” am
    4. +1
      7 May 2025 09: 53
      Quote from turembo
      Unlucky teachers are not protected by law at all, you can just go up to a teacher and slap him in the face and nothing will happen to anyone, but if a teacher just tries to put a student in his place, there will be a scandal throughout the country.

      Replace the word teacher with the word doctor and nothing will change, except that the scandal will not be for the whole country, but for the region (territory). Apparently it is impossible to create a working system, where one side was given all the rights, and the other was left with only the responsibilitiesAnd even under the threat of CRIMINAL liability.
      1. 0
        7 May 2025 12: 45
        Quote: Adrey
        create a working system

        Quote: Adrey
        where one side was given all the rights, and the other was left with only responsibilities. And even under the threat of CRIMINAL liability.

        That's why they created it, so that as a result, neither one nor the other would remain anywhere except in the capitals.
  7. +10
    7 May 2025 05: 10
    I'm afraid that locally, such a distribution will be taken as a supply of slaves for food. Although today's youth "know their rights", and often this is not bad.
    1. +1
      7 May 2025 07: 06
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      I'm afraid that locally, such a distribution will be taken as a supply of slaves for food. Although today's youth "know their rights", and often this is not bad.

      When I went to Belarus, I often argued with locals about the mandatory distribution of students after graduating from universities in Belarus.
      I tell them happily, "Work, salary, experience, knowledge!!! How great!!" and they tell me sadly, "The salary is small - no bonuses, pay for rent - it's not state-owned everywhere, if the boss is a scoundrel (swearing) - put up with him for five years, it's impossible to say a word against him - he'll find something to find fault with and fire you!!" and a ton of other nuances. The people there were categorically against the distribution.

      In Soviet times, things weren't so pretty either - you couldn't just fire someone, it was the boss's fault - "Re-educate them!!!" (C)
      For example, we had two teachers who worked like that - one drank on the sly during breaks, the other had connections in trade and she just had to sit out the time for her diploma.
  8. +5
    7 May 2025 05: 10
    Well, it's not as bad as the author writes. The government and the president are constantly solving this problem. We also have a huge layer of "specialists" from Central Asian universities, who have flooded Russia today. They probably work in all the clinics and hospitals in Moscow and St. Petersburg (well, except for the Kremlin one, for some reason they are not accepted there). And there are already a lot of them in schools. Why go far: here is the head teacher at the school where two "Caucasians" beat up a guy - Oganesyan. They write that the rules at the school are mountainous. In general, in this matter, the president and the government follow the spirit of "multinational friendship of peoples, tolerance and spiritual bonds."
    1. man
      +2
      7 May 2025 09: 59
      Here is the head teacher at the school where two "Caucasians" beat up a guy - Oganesyan. They write that the school has mountain rules.
      Since when does the head teacher set the rules at school??? And what about the principal?
      1. -1
        7 May 2025 13: 42
        The director was responsible for the financial side; he was not interested in what was going on between the students.
        1. man
          0
          7 May 2025 20: 25
          Quote: fiberboard
          Their director was responsible for the financial side,he was not interested in what was going on between the students.

          In my school, 60 years ago, this was unthinkable! Of course, there were fights between students, but after classes. They went far away from the school, because they were afraid of the principal like fire. He was very strict and did not shy away from the most "anti-pedagogical" methods of education smile And the parents, oddly enough, were happy, they understood that there was no other way with our punks smile
          1. -1
            8 May 2025 04: 28
            It was the same in my school, but my stepdaughter and daughter were already fighting with their classmates because of bullying. And when they started beating those who bullied them, they wrote statements about them.
            1. man
              0
              8 May 2025 09: 19
              Quote: fiberboard
              It was the same in my school, but my stepdaughter and daughter were already fighting with their classmates because of bullying. And when they started beating those who bullied them, they wrote statements about them.

              My eldest daughter had serious problems at school in the first (!) grades in the early 90s. I was considered a child prodigy in my time, and she was significantly ahead of even me. Her mother, my ex, was offered to send her straight to the 4th (!!!) grade after an interview, but she, the fool, refused... So my daughter went to the 1st grade, knowing the multiplication table, etc. And there 2 + 2 = 4. Well, she started laughing, like, what are you teaching me... It is clear that the children did not like it... well, they started beating her, and girls (!) ... She complained to me... but if you were an adult in the early 90s, then you remember that there was a real famine, people took on any job to feed their children... and I was only concerned about this... and what was I supposed to do, sort things out with first-graders???!!! Her mother went to both the teachers and the principal... in short, the beatings stopped, but her daughter became an outcast...
              Then my older friend got me a job with the "new Russians" and we transferred her to a fee-paying school... there were other problems, she turned out to be very pretty, like her mother, and the increased attention from boys smile when I, furious, called my class teacher, she explained to me and I, remembering my childhood, calmed down smile
              So I know about bullying firsthand...
              Why are yours being poisoned?
              1. 0
                8 May 2025 10: 14
                The eldest stepdaughter was bullied because she didn't want to keep her former "friends" company for fun with boys. You know, it happens when girls mature early physiologically, but have no brains, and start visiting and "communicating" with older boys. But physiological maturation doesn't happen at the same time for everyone. Some need "boys", while others don't. So it starts: you're already an adult, like us, but you don't go out with us. And off it went. It ended in a fight in which my stepdaughter (who hadn't matured physiologically) badly broke the nose of one former "friend" and broke a chair on the back of another. My ex-wife, a spiteful, scandalous and quarrelsome woman, started a couple of scandals at school, beat up the mother of one of these "girls" (who bullied her stepdaughter) and cursed the father of another in a store.
                My daughter was doing fine until a new classmate transferred to school. My daughter is calm and kind, and was immediately singled out for bullying and self-affirmation of this girl. At the first stage, she managed to persuade several classmates to bully her. A dirty fight occurred, in which my daughter beat up this classmate, breaking her ear very badly. (I often taught my daughter boxing techniques). Then I went to the school principal myself, since I was very "afraid" of my ex-wife's visit to him. I knew the principal well (at one time he taught his subject in our class), and the teachers too. All this happened among people who knew each other well. Then this girl (the new girl) had problems with other classmates (she allowed herself a lot of unnecessary things on social networks). Her grandfather really threatened me (her parents died and she moved in with her grandparents and so began to study with my daughter), but I promised him myself. My reputation in the village is not very good, so they did not mess with me (and my brother). Now, after all these years, this can of course be remembered with humor, but then it was no laughing matter. It's good that half the police were friends and acquaintances, as were teachers.
                1. man
                  +1
                  8 May 2025 11: 06
                  The matter ended in a fight in which my stepdaughter (not yet physiologically mature) badly broke the nose of one former “friend” and broke a chair on the back of another.
                  My daughter was doing fine until a new classmate transferred to the school. My daughter is calm and kind, but she was immediately singled out for this girl's bullying and self-affirmation.
                  A nasty fight ensued in which my daughter beat up this classmate, breaking her ear very badly. (I often taught my daughter boxing techniques).

                  Well, these are some "poisoned" people!!! laughing laughing laughing
                  You raised some bandits and still complain about bullying???!!! angry laughing laughing laughing
                  My ex-wife, a spiteful, scandalous and quarrelsome woman, created a couple of scandals at school, beat up the mother of one of these "girls" (who were bullying her stepdaughter) and cursed at the father of another in a store.
                  Your whole family is a gangster!!! laughing laughing laughing
                  I haven’t neigh for a long time laughing hi
                  1. -1
                    8 May 2025 15: 17
                    No, both girls were adequate, non-confrontational, and never started things. People bully people like that. Of course, they have changed now, the older one has become more like her mother, and my daughter is more like my mother in character. Unfortunately, this is not very beneficial.
                    But if we take that particular case, in a Moscow school, then there is a completely different situation. There, two ninth-graders of "Caucasian nationality" beat an eighth-grader unconscious and injured. That is, being physically stronger, they beat up a weaker one together. This is not bullying, but a difference in mentality and culture. Those who served in the SA remember and know this very well. It is precisely representatives of this "culture" who have poured into Russia from the Caucasus Mountains and Central Asia today. They are trying to assert themselves not through study, sports, some knowledge and skills, but through strength, impudence, cruelty. Look how many videos of this visiting "youth" are circulating on the Internet. This includes Novgorod, Pskov, St. Petersburg, Moscow, the Urals, Samara (where they even cursed the governor). The meme has already become: "Uncle Tural will decide". And if we don’t resolve the issue with them and with those who brought them here, they will resolve the issue with us, the Russians.
  9. 0
    7 May 2025 05: 19
    Quote: fiberboard
    what's the big deal: here's the head teacher at the school where two "Caucasians" beat up a guy - Oganesyan. They write that the school has a mountainous culture.

    A month ago there was an incident... a schoolboy from the same school hit a teacher on the head with a hammer... he didn't like that she gave him bad marks... request.
    What's bad... he didn't receive any punishment, but the teacher got a concussion.
    We don't have enough teachers for such inadequate migrant children.
    1. +4
      7 May 2025 06: 51
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We don't have enough teachers for such inadequate migrant children.

      Even without taking this outrageous case into account, we cannot allow teachers who do not speak Russian well to teach our children. The English teacher is Armenian (I have nothing against the nationality itself), but she barely speaks Russian, but she teaches English. But sometimes you need to switch to Russian to answer children's questions, to explain something... a paradox? No, it's the truth of life
      1. +6
        7 May 2025 07: 19
        Quote: Egoza
        English teacher - Armenian
        I've heard English with a Nizhny Novgorod accent, but I've never heard it with Armenian... wink
        1. +5
          7 May 2025 07: 31
          I heard English with a Nizhny Novgorod accent,
          Let me clarify: French. This is Griboyedov.
          Hello, Nikolay!
          1. +3
            7 May 2025 10: 57
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            Let me clarify: French. This is Griboyedov
            Griboyedov with his French is a classic! I heard about English somewhere, but I don't remember where. Greetings...
        2. man
          +4
          7 May 2025 08: 12
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: Egoza
          English teacher - Armenian
          I've heard English with a Nizhny Novgorod accent, but I've never heard it with Armenian... wink

          Don't interfere! We just finally understood who our main enemy is, who is the cause of all our troubles, it's the Armenians!!! And here you are distracting us with your jokes! laughing
        3. +2
          7 May 2025 08: 32
          It's not a fact that she teaches English, it's quite possible that she teaches Armenian, and no one has noticed yet
      2. +2
        7 May 2025 10: 06
        the best ezyg learned spanish and portuguese tolerably and the whole world is chatting with you)) although for us uzbek will also broaden horizons I think quite soon when the generation of also russians grows up
  10. +2
    7 May 2025 05: 22
    Compulsory placement of university graduates – a new challenge of our time
    For those who entered on a budget, this is, in fact, a completely adequate solution. But adequacy is not our method, as the last decades have shown.
    1. -1
      7 May 2025 10: 00
      Quote: DVostok-2
      For those who entered on a budget, this is, in fact, a completely adequate solution.

      Yes, these are, for the most part, the best students. And they will go to distant lands to work for pennies? It is unlikely. Apparently, now it will be easier to save up one and a half million for education and after graduation to live and work peacefully where you want.
  11. +1
    7 May 2025 05: 40
    The average college graduate could expect several career paths at once
    I would also add here after graduating from the university a job in your home country, at home. And it doesn't matter where it is.
  12. +9
    7 May 2025 06: 03
    Why does the current government need so many qualified specialists? Maybe it's worth answering this question and the root of the problem will become clear. The more truly educated, the more thinkers, because without the ability to think there is no full-fledged education. But why do we need them, we need a qualified consumer. Otherwise they will start asking more questions, this is "rocking the bonds and destroying the boats".
    1. man
      +3
      7 May 2025 08: 27
      Quote: Alex 1970
      Why does the current government need so many qualified specialists? Maybe it's worth answering this question and the root of the problem will become clear. The more truly educated, the more thinkers, because without the ability to think there is no full-fledged education. But why do we need them, we need a qualified consumer. Otherwise they will start asking more questions, this is "rocking the bonds and destroying the boats".

      So, a couple of years ago, Gref tragically asked at the St. Petersburg economic forum: “What will happen to the country if there are many smart people in it?”
  13. +7
    7 May 2025 06: 20
    And there are simply no decent words about the quality of today's higher, not to mention professional education. Maybe somewhere there are graduates who have knowledge and are able to apply it in practice, I have not met such lately. It comes to anecdotal cases, from which it is scary for the safety of production. And these are not isolated cases. After the construction of the facility, commissioning takes place, at the construction stage there are enough "jambs", both from our own and from the "irreplaceable". And commissioning workers have become "dear mother", some do not even know the name of the equipment that they need to "revive"! Previously, such people were not allowed anywhere near, and here people cannot even determine the direction of the product flow on the diagram! Just turn off the lights.
    1. +5
      7 May 2025 06: 44
      Well, I don't know how it was before, but yes - yesterday's students still need to be trained in production for another month to six months. It seems like Oleg Komolov said on this topic that universities don't care about quality, but if they don't reach the quantity, they can cut funding.)
      Some don't even know what the equipment they need to "revive" is called!

      And this is not the fault of education IMHO. Of course, I have not been in commerce for long, but I have already come across the principle "the main thing is to snatch the order, and how we will fulfill it - we will think about it later")
    2. -2
      7 May 2025 07: 11
      Quote: Alex 1970
      And there are simply no decent words about the quality of today's higher, not to mention professional education. Maybe somewhere there are graduates who have knowledge and are able to apply it in practice, I have not met such lately. It comes to anecdotal cases, from which it is scary for the safety of production. And these are not isolated cases. After the construction of the facility, commissioning takes place, at the construction stage there are enough "jambs", both from our own and from the "irreplaceable". And commissioning workers have become "dear mother", some do not even know the name of the equipment that they need to "revive"! Previously, such people were not allowed anywhere near, and here people cannot even determine the direction of the product flow on the diagram! Just turn off the lights.

      Somewhere I already heard it ...
      Ah, I remembered - "Now forget what you were taught in your institutes and listen here... (C) the quiet 1970s....
      And this was said in all seriousness, not as a joke.
  14. +2
    7 May 2025 06: 38
    A convenient verbal excuse for the problem: "The market" will solve it.
    While he is "deciding", half of the trained specialists are leaving for the literal market to trade, irrevocably!
  15. +4
    7 May 2025 07: 00
    It must be admitted that the concept of targeted training in pedagogy and medicine has shown complete inconsistency. Otherwise, there would not be such a wild shortage of personnel in schools and hospitals.

    It's not about the concept, it's about salaries and the overall organization of the process.
    For example, teachers spend about 50% of their time on reports. It would seem that reporting should be reduced to one document, and the remaining time used for its intended purpose. Or extracurricular work is sometimes completely distant from the direct responsibilities of the teacher. A separate topic is salaries. This is not a salary (considering how many nerve cells a teacher spends daily) - these are tears.
    1. +1
      7 May 2025 07: 06
      how many nerve cells does a teacher spend daily
      By the way, the teaching experience was also raised to 25 years.
    2. +1
      7 May 2025 07: 24
      Quote: Maluck
      It would seem that reporting should be reduced to one document, and the remaining time should be used for its intended purpose.

      We had a joke like this: "The teaching tribe teaches in their free time from social work."
  16. +4
    7 May 2025 07: 33
    There is such a film, a Soviet one, "Honeymoon", 1956. Lyudmila (L. Kasatkina), wants to stay in Leningrad after graduating from a medical school, marries Leningrader Alexey, a bridge engineer. And if Alexey has tender feelings for Lyudmila, then on her part this marriage is purely for convenience. However, Alexey is sent to build in Siberia, and Lyuda, as a wife, is forced to go with her husband. And there is another number, the Satire Theater of A.I. Raikin, 60s, in which female university students are ridiculed, who did not go to work in the provinces as assigned, but went to work as waitresses, salespeople, but stayed in Moscow. And then everything was not so simple.
    1. +7
      7 May 2025 08: 15
      Alex,
      good morning!
      I agree: not everything was so clear-cut, especially since human nature, as we know, is like a fish looking for where it’s deeper,
      and a person, where is it better?
      laughing
      However, we (our ancestors) would not have mastered such gigantic spaces if it were not for
      "we were looking for a better place."

      And today's conversation is about "mandatory distribution", a conversation for the benefit of the poor, as they say.
      This is a typical example of feudal reaction, conservatives, in the period of capitalism.

      Let's attach them to factories and schools!
      Ours will continue to study in Cambridge, and we will attach "these" ones.

      In the current conditions, whether it's a courier, a teacher or a doctor...and even in government bodies, the management has one attitude: expendable.
      I'm talking about the general trend, not about rare individual cases: but this is not the case with us.
      There are no working conditions, a sweatshop system, a conveyor belt - as it should be under capitalism: 15 minutes to see a patient.
      People understand this clearly, that’s the first thing.
      Secondly, the overwhelming majority of medical students study at their own expense - why would they suddenly be assigned?
      This is only in this area.
      I won't even mention engineers - there's simply no one to teach them, unless the Chinese are invited, just like in vocational schools, etc.
      SYSTEM however.
      1. +2
        7 May 2025 08: 21
        And today's conversation is about "mandatory distribution", a conversation in favor of the poor, as they say.

        Absolutely right, in favor of the poor. About teachers, now more churches are being built than schools. This is to the question that most medical students study at their own expense. Greetings, Eduard! hi
        1. +7
          7 May 2025 08: 30
          Even in Moscow schools, humanities can be taught by physical education teachers (!!!!, and even more so in the periphery. There are no physicists at all! What industry and engineers in universities?
          For years - someone has been stomping around telling something instead of physics.

          Although the problem is explained very simply: there is no money for this in the country! Not at all.
          It's fashionable to take a calculator and recalculate, based on the calculation, there are 25 students in a class, how many teachers are needed and multiply by a "decent" salary. That's all. I don't take other factors into account.
          Only by this parameter can you close...
          Because, what's there about GDP at parity are they telling us? What prestigious place is that?
          The share of the Russian Federation in GDP is 1,7% in the global division of labor, in 1990 the RSFSR was about 10-12%, and in the USSR it was 18-20%.
          1. +3
            7 May 2025 08: 36
            For years - someone has been stomping around telling something instead of physics.

            I taught at a college, one of the subjects I taught was Formal Logic, there was a second teacher, our classes didn't overlap, students from his group ran to my lectures, complained, he was telling us some kind of nonsense. And the tickets for the subject were general. He wasn't even allowed to take the exam, or rather he himself didn't want to. I'm not bragging, but in fact, whoever happened to be there.
            1. +1
              7 May 2025 09: 44
              "I taught at a college, one of the courses I taught was Formal Logic"
              The caterpillar eats cabbage. I eat cabbage. Therefore, I am a caterpillar. laughing
    2. +2
      7 May 2025 08: 22
      Evgeny Dubrovin "Mushrooms on the Asphalt". They don't want to grow on manured black soil, they grow on asphalt... About how university graduates didn't want to go on assignment...
      1. +4
        7 May 2025 08: 30
        If you remember the film "My Dear Man" from 1956. The beginning of the film, the end of the 30s is shown, a talented student of the Medical University is assigned to the village, and a C student, using the name of his heroic father, in a good sense, stays in Moscow, takes an administrative position and the bastard grows up, intrigues. "Member" of the party. If you forgot, watch it again.
    3. +5
      7 May 2025 10: 14
      Quote: parusnik
      And then everything was not so simple.

      Not at all simple. But at that time, at least some prospects were visible even in the hinterland - something was being built, improved, developed. (Take at least the example of our very remote Amur settlement, where over the last twenty years of Soviet power, several industrial enterprises appeared, quite modern ones: a community center, a service center, a kindergarten, a school, an airport. It became possible to get to the regional center in two hours by air). And now the hinterland is quietly and surely dying. And if earlier we meant villages/settlements, now these are district towns, and in some places even remote regional ones "suddenly" turned into "the hinterland"...
      1. +1
        12 May 2025 22: 45
        Absolutely right! That's exactly how it was!
  17. +4
    7 May 2025 07: 45
    The country lacks hundreds of thousands of workers and well-paid hands, and university graduates do not want to work in their specialty. A paradox, and nothing more.

    but simply and sharply raise the salaries of teachers and doctors.

    The paradox is these two sentences in one article))
  18. +8
    7 May 2025 07: 50
    Hmm, first they destroyed all Soviet social and economic structures, brought Russia into a state of stable and rapid extinction, turned doctors and especially teachers into beggars, and then they wonder why there is a “catastrophic shortage” of them, let’s introduce serfdom for these beggars... It’s a clever idea, whatever you say.
    And then the distribution system in the USSR was based on the presence nationwide property and the system of general employment, based on this and only within this framework it was reasonable and effective (although it had its problems), what will the attempt to return such a system now be based on? On the desire to have poor serfs in serfdom?
    But these are rhetorical questions - in reality, there is a completely different "trend" now - the reduction of education in general, for the overwhelming majority of the rapidly dying population, it will be replaced by receiving electronic digital lessons online, real education with normal teachers will be the prerogative of a narrow layer of the "elite". The rest, after the electronic 9th grade - go away to serve the economy of the pipe and die on contract in native wars.
    1. +4
      7 May 2025 10: 15
      Quote: Belisarius
      turned doctors and especially teachers into beggars

      And absolutely powerless...
      Quote: Belisarius
      and then they wonder why there is a "catastrophic shortage" of them, but let's introduce serfdom for these beggars...

      And this is simply just the next step...
  19. 0
    7 May 2025 08: 01
    Quote: Doccor18
    And now, observing schoolchildren and students, it is clear that only about five percent actually study diligently, the rest “attend”

    It's a question of incentive... a person goes for a career, not for knowledge.
    It is clear that the relationships between people in our society are at an archaic cave level...money, power, a good night's sleep, a tasty meal, fun fun...there is no time at all to gain knowledge...it is not interesting to live any other way. request
    And for the development and survival of human civilization, taking into account the resources of our planet Earth, knowledge is urgently needed to explore near and far space... but now we live one day at a time... and we don’t look into the distant future.
    1. +5
      7 May 2025 10: 41
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      A person goes for a career, not for knowledge.

      Why do you need knowledge and a career if a young vascular surgeon, after nine years of training, does not see any point in working in his specialty, because now he, a manager in a dental clinic, is paid twice as much, and there is no responsibility..?
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      our planet Earth urgently needs knowledge for the exploration of near and distant space...and

      Just yesterday, a friend's child (a 9th grade student) asked me: "What is the UN?" At first I thought he was joking, but he was serious... belay
      And you are talking about deep space... On Earth there are unsolved problems for two hundred years...
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      during the day...we don't even look into the distant future.

      I start thinking about the near future, it becomes so scary, terrifying. How will our grandchildren and great-grandchildren live here? What will remain in twenty or thirty years...
  20. +11
    7 May 2025 08: 10
    The article gets a solid C.
    The author does not understand the processes taking place in Russia, and therefore makes incorrect conclusions.
    The average college graduate could expect to pursue several career paths.

    We are talking about the distribution of a young specialist after graduating from a university.
    Dear author, the USSR had socialism (whether good or bad is not the point), so socialism is a planned economy with five-year plans. Therefore, in a planned economy, the state "knows" where (meaning the place), how many and what kind of specialists it will need, both in five years and in ten at existing and under construction enterprises, hospitals, schools, etc.
    In Russia there is capitalism and "the state doesn't owe you anything". Therefore, the modern Russian state doesn't even have a clue how many and what kind of specialists it needs, not to mention in a year, it doesn't even know what kind of specialists it will need tomorrow.
    In Russia there is no strategic planning for the next 10-30 years, there is no planning even for the current year. The guarantor does not govern the country, he simply reacts to the surrounding processes.
    Plus to all this, laws in the Duma are “written” by athletes, artists, astronauts, thieves, basically anyone, but not specialists who understand anything about this.
    Therefore, the distribution upon graduation from the university is another puff of smoke in the face of our guarantor’s wishes.
    1. +4
      7 May 2025 08: 16
      The author does not understand the processes taking place in Russia

      Or maybe the article is just a copyist. You noticed that the author is a jack of all trades. The topics of his articles are varied.
      1. +4
        7 May 2025 08: 48
        Or maybe the article is just copy-pasted?
        I don’t know about this one, but in principle I once noticed this sin in the author.
        Hello, Alexey!
        1. +3
          7 May 2025 08: 58
          Anton, I am simply tormented by vague doubts. Look, Biryukov is a "specialist" in revolutionary conservatism and the national question, the Group of Comrades on Oil, Gas, the banking sector of Mamchits and someone else, and Podymov, who is affiliated with them, he sometimes joins Chichkin, sometimes he writes something himself, he is especially successful about the alleys of Moscow, the rest is so-so. Staver, the main propagandist, Skomorokhov, the main expert on aviation and the navy, etc. Fedorov, all of the above taken together. That is why "... doubts gnaw, I am not happy about these doubts" (c). Good morning, Anton. hi
          1. +4
            7 May 2025 09: 02
            Now do you understand my fascination with the theme of the Middle Ages? wink
          2. +1
            7 May 2025 09: 47
            And who is Mr. Shpakovsky then? laughing Yes
            1. +2
              7 May 2025 10: 13
              And who is Mr. Shpakovsky then?

              Guess laughing
            2. +3
              7 May 2025 11: 56
              Our spiritual bonds and all the rest Yes
    2. +3
      7 May 2025 08: 21
      It is unlikely that athletes and artists will be allowed to compose anything. They will voice what is dictated to them from above.
      Distribution after graduation is another form of serfdom. In the best case, you will work for three years for food.
    3. +4
      7 May 2025 08: 47
      He doesn't have any desire.
  21. +7
    7 May 2025 08: 46
    There is no need to rack your brains over the distribution of graduates, but simply and sharply raise the salaries of teachers and doctors

    What are you talking about? The Criminal Code is closing our district police department because you have to pay 120 thousand rubles a month to rent the building. And the policemen's salaries are peanuts.
    1. -1
      7 May 2025 09: 19
      Quote: Million
      What are you talking about? The Criminal Code is closing our district police department because you have to pay 120 thousand rubles a month to rent the building. And the policemen's salaries are peanuts.

      Are machine guns already being distributed at the district level for self-defense? Or do you have to buy them yourself? wink
      It is clear about the USSR and the distribution. My brother, for example, was distributed to the North to earn some extra money. After 91, a ratio of budget and fee-paying places was introduced by law in universities. The number of fee-paying places depended on the number of budget places. Now there are even commercial universities. With exorbitant tuition fees.
      I am for distribution. At least temporarily, at least by young specialists, but it is possible to stop the collapse of education and medicine.
      1. +4
        7 May 2025 12: 52
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Even with young specialists, it is possible to stop the collapse of education and medicine.

        No, it won't be possible to pause it. The flywheel has been started.
        In tsarist Russia there was 1 doctor per 6-6,5 thousand people, and we return to this.
        1. 0
          7 May 2025 14: 08
          Quote: FIR FIR
          No, it won't be possible to pause it. The flywheel has been started.

          Hope dies last. wink
          We will learn Tajik. Or Uzbek, to go to the doctor. wink
          1. +1
            7 May 2025 16: 59
            Uzbek is better, more people will understand it))
            1. 0
              7 May 2025 18: 57
              Quote from Mazunga
              Uzbek is better, more people will understand it))

              There is an idea, or rather plagiarism. Once my mother had to work in a tobacco factory, "privatized" by an American company. They paid extra to her salary for knowing or studying English. You can go down this path, paying extra for studying Uzbek. You can simply change the school curriculum by introducing mandatory study of the languages ​​of former oppressed peoples instead of the languages ​​of the colonizers. "Brothers" in arms, in the CSTO will approve. wink
          2. +2
            12 May 2025 22: 34
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            We will learn Tajik. Or Uzbek, to go to the doctor.

            This won't help you. Such a non-Russian doctor literally killed my father. He simply ignored his stroke in the hospital and left him overnight without help. He received a verbal reprimand from his superiors after my letter to Putin's hotline. That's all. Our officials are treated by their own doctors. Not a single one will go to a migrant doctor. They did this for us, the cattle. So be careful when you go to doctors. Young doctors are also a risk. Nowadays, education is at the bottom everywhere.
            1. +1
              12 May 2025 22: 45
              Quote: oz_777
              It won't help you. Such a non-Russian doctor literally killed my father.

              I'm so sorry.
              I know the situation in medicine firsthand.
              My proposal is just an ironic reduction of the problem to the point of absurdity.
              1. +2
                12 May 2025 22: 48
                Yes, I understand that. It's just that too many of us don't even suspect the danger that our medicine currently poses, and we need to talk about it. We didn't know either. It always seems like it won't affect you. I'm completely serious when I urge you to be very careful with today's doctors. Check and double-check who's treating you and with what. And even then, you can't always play it safe.
      2. 0
        8 May 2025 17: 08
        It is unclear why it is impossible to combine distribution with a competition for workers on the part of employers.
        To do this, it is enough to close not all applications for young specialists, but only 70% of them - let employers look for the rest on the free labor market among established specialists. Accordingly, this will support competition in the offer of salaries and conditions from the employer, and the university will provide legal support during the first years of the work period of its graduates and ensure the protection of their interests. The university itself is assessed, when allocating funding, by the percentage of graduates remaining after working and will be interested in good conditions for them - so that there are no "escapes" and those working outside their specialty.
        If desired, this system can be made to work well in capitalism and without any lordship, tyranny and serfdom.
  22. +8
    7 May 2025 09: 14
    First, why can a person who spent several million rubles from the budget, upon graduating from a university, afford to work as a salesperson or courier?

    Have you tried paying?
    1. +6
      7 May 2025 09: 25
      What are you saying, this is not our method, to pay. There is no money, ... but you hold on...
    2. -9
      7 May 2025 12: 16
      pay more? he doesn't earn more than 26 thousand
      1. +1
        7 May 2025 12: 58
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        he

        Who is he?
        1. -8
          7 May 2025 13: 14
          worker at the factory...........
          1. +1
            7 May 2025 13: 15
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            worker at the factory

            Factory workers are now getting paid significantly more. Certainly more than teachers.
            1. -4
              7 May 2025 13: 16
              Well, if you compare it with teachers, then yes.
      2. +2
        7 May 2025 13: 40
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        worker at the factory

        And who was talking about workers?
  23. +3
    7 May 2025 09: 31
    I wonder if Mr. Shpakovsky has already written about his suffering in a village street outhouse after graduating from the institute? I haven't read many comments yet. laughing Yes
    "The country lacks hundreds of thousands of workers and well-paid hands"
    That there is a shortage is true, and regarding "well paid" Author you are wrong, to put it mildly and very mildly at that. Most employers are private capitalists, and they have everything according to the classics - more for themselves, less for the worker, and if possible, almost nothing.
  24. +3
    7 May 2025 10: 12
    What's surprising? In Russia there is a cult of money and the principle "go into business".
  25. +2
    7 May 2025 10: 17
    You don't need a distribution. You need a salary. Pay a paramedic at a FAP 80 in cash and the line there will be a kilometer long.
    1. +2
      7 May 2025 13: 00
      Quote: Arzt
      Pay the paramedic at the FAP 80 in cash

      Even highly specialized professionals with higher education don't have that much.
    2. +1
      7 May 2025 13: 01
      Quote: Arzt
      No distribution needed. Salary needed.

      All for it!
  26. +3
    7 May 2025 10: 25
    Excuse me, but no one will raise the salary of a doctor in Uryupinsk to the level of Moscow. How is the rest of the population of Uryupinsk worse then? In the USSR there was a single tariff scale for all professions, now Moscow, St. Petersburg and other large cities have their own pricing.
    I remember in the late 80s my sister was assigned to Vverkh Neyvinsk. Half a year later my father went to rescue her from slavery....
    1. 0
      8 May 2025 21: 05
      By the way, they pay well there, by provincial standards. Besides, the town is closed and there are no "irreplaceable specialists" from Central Asia.
  27. +3
    7 May 2025 10: 36
    You have not been active as a commentator for a long time (write comments). Voting is prohibited.
  28. +7
    7 May 2025 11: 28
    A stable and well-paid job awaited him.

    Nonsense. Often an engineer, especially a beginner, received much less than his subordinate - a skilled worker. I know many cases when people with higher education worked in blue-collar jobs because of a significantly higher salary.
    1. +1
      7 May 2025 13: 03
      Quote from solar
      Quite often, an engineer, especially a beginner, received much less than his subordinate, a skilled worker.

      A skilled worker could earn 2-4 times more.
      1. +1
        7 May 2025 13: 05
        Yes, I know of such cases, and not isolated ones.
  29. 0
    7 May 2025 11: 49
    There are three more levels of higher education: bachelor's degree, specialist degree and master's degree.

    Maybe something has changed over the years, but there were two forms of higher education: bachelor's degree and specialist degree.
    The Bologna system had two levels: bachelor's and master's degrees...
    but the Soviet system of higher education implied that after completing a specialist degree, those recommended by the graduation committee had the right to enter graduate school and then doctoral studies...
  30. +4
    7 May 2025 16: 49
    Our idiots have one answer to everything: let's bring in millions more Tajiks, dress them in lab coats, say he's a doctor, and off we go.
  31. +1
    7 May 2025 19: 47
    Such multidisciplinary specialists can probably be found in the immediate circle of, perhaps, every reader of “Military Review”.

    There is not a single one like that in my immediate circle. Several degrees do not mean great intelligence. Rather, the opposite, the person has wasted several years of his life. My circle goes the other way - after the higher education they go to graduate school. An academic degree is better than another higher education diploma.
  32. NSV
    -1
    7 May 2025 20: 06
    Isn't it the government's job to interest graduates?!? To organize a worthy application of graduates' knowledge, even in the conditional Darkness - a cockroach?!
  33. 0
    7 May 2025 20: 57
    Knowledge is light, scientists are darkness. But there is no use in their intelligence ;)
    1. -5
      8 May 2025 06: 38
      Quote: fsvlad
      Knowledge is light, scientists are darkness. But there is no use in their intelligence ;)

      Everything is correct. Savages should not benefit from scientists. Their benefit is from "authorities".
  34. +1
    7 May 2025 21: 44
    No, in the N- village there are clans. They will sit in positions and will never give anyone except their relatives the opportunity to earn money, including because they have already become accustomed to feeling like lords and have established horizontal connections with the same. Not a foot back in the N- village. I remember this nightmare with a shudder. Twenty years of life.. I go there on vacation.. it's brutal, everything is the same. This cannot be changed.
  35. 0
    7 May 2025 22: 17
    It is necessary to reduce all kinds of regional education departments and ministries of education to a chief-driver-cleaner, then they will stop or physically will not be able to gush with “reforms” and “reporting”.
    And to protect teachers by law, like employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and emergency doctors too, if he attacks, he will go not under the usual article, but to strict punishment.
    Well, while governors talk about the level of teachers' salaries in the region, and you-know-who nods their heads in agreement and is proud of themselves, nothing will be achieved.
    Well, except for the paradoxical things: more and more young people don’t understand clocks with hands, it’s difficult for them.
    1. -1
      8 May 2025 18: 48
      We also need to increase spending on education.
      The budget share has decreased by half since the Soviet era. What can we expect from this?
  36. -3
    9 May 2025 18: 55
    Hateful work under duress always
    was a trademark of the communist
    saffka :-(((
    And turn to the shameful experience of the dead
    saffka is possible only when firmly
    decided to finish the history of Russia precisely,
    the way the now dead Soviet finished it :-(((
  37. 0
    11 May 2025 14: 54
    People studying on a budget must work for several years as assigned. Spending budget money, taking it away from the rest of the country's citizens so that someone could live a student life for the sake of pleasure - this is more than stupidity. This is squandering state funds.
  38. +1
    12 May 2025 22: 21
    In the Soviet Union, when university graduates were assigned to remote areas, they were given apartments in brand new modern houses. Especially young families, especially in Siberia. Mine immediately received a four-room apartment with an improved layout. They received good jobs. And since a lot of housing was being built, a lot of people came, kindergartens and schools, clubs and cinemas were built, production - everything grew by leaps and bounds. And at the same time, they tried to make everything the most modern. Our Soviet kindergarten had a swimming pool. In the workers' settlement there was a children's cafe, a music school, free children's clubs, a skating rink with lighting and music at the school. All this was done by the state, in the current time, none of this would be close. That is why people willingly went to such a remote place, because there were prospects, growth, development ... Now it all sounds like a fairy tale. And where should they go now? To a hopeless hole, without housing and a salary?