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Does Ukraine steal Russian gas?

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Every day, gas wars between Ukraine and Russia are getting hotter and scandalous. Once again, Ukrainian Prime Minister N. Azarov poured oil on the flames, who recently said that gas supplies from Europe, particularly from Hungary, began in the country. The politician also thanked his colleague Viktor Orban for his principled approaches, which allowed him to complete the negotiation process and start importing European fuel into Ukraine. Azarov also noted that according to existing opportunities, about two billion cubic meters of gas will flow into the country annually, and over time, these capacities can be increased to 10 billion cubic meters. In addition, as noted by the prime minister, the parties were also able to agree on the development of other directions of transportation.

Gazprom immediately responded to this message, accusing the Ukrainian authorities of fraud. Thus, according to the statement of the head of the holding Alexander Miller, which he made on the air of the central Russian TV channel, Ukraine purchases blue fuel in Europe under fraudulent schemes, since the same Russian gas that initially goes to European territory and then goes to Europe - and to Ukraine. At the same time, in order to prove the reverse gas supply from Europe, a loop is held at the border. Miller expressed confidence that such schemes are fraudulent, and they must be fought.

It should be noted that, in addition to Hungarian gas, Ukraine intends to purchase another five billion cubic meters of gas in Germany this year, and also to begin purchasing Turkmen fuel (which is about ten billion cubic meters). In addition, negotiations are also currently underway with Slovakia and Romania on the possibilities of supplying blue fuel from the territories of these states to the gas transmission system of Ukraine.

As the Ukrainian side states, the decision to start reverse supplies was made after the transit volumes of Russian natural gas through the Ukrainian gas transportation system decreased, and accordingly, some capacities were released.

At the same time, it can be said that Alexander Miller is right, and no European fuel is supplied to Ukraine, but exclusively Russian. But this does not change absolutely nothing, because the fact of reverse deliveries is confirmed. And, most likely, surplus of Russian gas, which Gazprom transports to Europe, flows into the Ukrainian territory. Due to certain circumstances, Ukraine has agreed with Moscow on gas supplies at an extremely high price, which is much higher than the price at which the same Russian gas flows to Europe. Thus, Russia has independently created certain conditions so that Europeans can sell the surplus of Russian fuel to Ukraine.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian experts are confident that the reverse gas supply from Europe to Ukraine is not at all in conflict with international law. This was stated, in particular, by Vladimir Makukha, Deputy Minister of Energy and Coal Industry of Ukraine. In his opinion, this is an absolutely pure scheme. The politician said that buying products in the store, you do not inform the seller about who you will eat them.

We note, a little earlier, the information provided by the source from the Ministry of Energy appeared that the European gas, which is bought by the Ukrainian side, goes to Ukraine according to the scheme described by Miller. However, according to a source, the Ukrainian government sees nothing illegal in this. This is only a confirmation that the price of Russian gas for Ukraine is really too high, and therefore the same Russian fuel that enters the country through reverse supplies costs about seven percent cheaper.

Due to the fact that the next aggravation of the conflict has not yet been resolved, Kiev decided once again to create problems for Russia in Crimea. It is about preventing the Ukrainian authorities from replenishing the Russian Black Sea fleet new ships. And it seems that at first glance, the initiative didn’t come from the Ukrainians at all, and they didn’t want to touch the Russian sailors at all ... Judge for yourself: at the end of March of this year, the sudden exercises of the Russian Armed Forces on the Black Sea began, which the head of the Russian Federation personally observed from a helicopter . Putin and Minister of War S. Shoigu. At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities were not informed of the start of the exercises. In fact, international law does not provide for this, but ...

In view of the foregoing, after another setback in the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations on the position of the Russian fleet in the Crimea, a meeting of the Maritime Collegium of the Russian Government was held in Novorossiysk. Recall that Russia tried to secure the consent of the Ukrainian partners regarding the introduction of new ships into Sevastopol, and also to obtain guarantees that the new ships could be supplied with everything necessary. In response, the Ukrainian side once again assured Moscow of its friendly feelings and its readiness to constructively resolve any issues and problems ... but it did not move further.

By the way, the issues of customs duties and rearmament were raised sharply in November last year, when Ukrainian customs officers detained approximately 14 thousand tons of diesel fuel in Sevastopol, which was delivered for the needs of the Russian fleet from Novorossiysk. Then there was a demand to pay all import duties and value added tax, which is approximately 1,2 million euros. Of course, for Russians, this amount may not be very big. But here they have already decided to go on the principle, because nothing like this has happened since the days of V. Yushchenko’s presidency. According to Moscow, the similar behavior of the Ukrainian customs officers contradicts the relations of strategic partnership established between the two states. The Ukrainian side, without presenting any legal grounds, requires the payment of taxes, which contradicts not only Ukrainian legislation, but basic fleet agreements, ”said Maria Zakharova, deputy head of the press and information department of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Russia. That is why the Russian side refused to pay these taxes. It was then that ineffective and endless negotiations began regarding customs duties and fuel. Something similar in terms of performance can be observed even now, in negotiations on new Russian ships.

More recently, these negotiations were purely theoretical, because no new ships in Sevastopol were foreseen. The exception was a small anti-sabotage boat and several minesweepers, which were later stationed in Novorossiysk. But last year the replenishment of the Russian fleet became quite real. And in the autumn of 2013, the Admiral Grigorovich patrol vessel of the 11356 project will be tested in Kaliningrad. In addition, the second such ship, the Admiral Essen, as well as the Admiral Kolchak, must be completed soon. As it is known from official sources, all three ships were planned to be sent to the Black Sea. Except in Sevastopol, there are no other places to base them. Of course, in Novorossiysk, a new naval base is being built, but the natural and climatic conditions here are not very suitable for vessels of this class and displacement.

It seems that Moscow itself is well aware that its new ships will not appear in Sevastopol in the near future. And this is due to the protracted negotiations on gas prices. Thus, if Russia does not make concessions in this matter, Ukraine, in retaliation, will not allow Russian ships to Sevastopol, forcing them to spend the winter at sea. And besides, it will continue to buy Russian gas through Europe, until such time as the cost of Russian fuel for it becomes the same as for Europe. And no one is going to stop the process of outflow of gas surplus, because such a scheme is convenient for everyone, except, of course, Gazprom ...

Materials used:
http://www.utro.ru/articles/2013/04/01/1110357.shtml
http://svpressa.ru/politic/article/66238/
http://www.newsru.com/finance/02apr2013/uaotvet.html
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  1. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 5 2013 06: 57 New
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    And if they don’t start it, turn off the gas wassat When will finally stupid people stop linking the economy with politics what fool
    1. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 5 2013 07: 43 New
      21
      The article should be entitled: "Do Ukrainian oligarchs steal gas?" laughing
      1. Nicholas C.
        Nicholas C. April 5 2013 09: 42 New
        +1
        if Russia does not make concessions on this issue, then Ukraine will not let Russian ships go to Sevastopol in retaliation, forcing them to spend the winter at sea

        Earlier in Ukraine in these cases, the crane on the pipe itself was blocked.

        I don’t understand this independent logic and happiness. If they were only like that to us, like, brotherly. And then, after all, and at home, my eyes are just pouring blood, the horns go ahead: We’ll block our parliament, we won’t let us work, burn everything with a blue flame, to revolution.

        And nothing was learned from all previous overlaps and blockings. And, after all, for every tricky nut there is a bolt with a suitable thread.
        1. Irazesh
          Irazesh April 5 2013 11: 20 New
          +1
          This is called - "To spite mom frost my ears!"
          1. Hunghuz
            Hunghuz April 5 2013 16: 39 New
            -3
            hi right now to dead aslu dabavyatsa ishsho and atarmozhennye ears ........ ???
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 5 2013 12: 32 New
          +3
          Quote: Nikolay S.
          Earlier in Ukraine, in these cases, the crane on the pipe itself was shut off. Here I do not understand this independent logic and happiness. If they were only like that to us, like, brotherly. And then, after all, and at home, my eyes are just pouring blood, horns ahead: We’ll block the Radu, we won’t let us work, burn everything with a blue flame, to revolution. And nothing was learned from all the previous overlaps and blockings. And, after all, for every tricky nut there is a bolt with a suitable thread.

          The logic is clear. people in power earn their capital by selling Slavic unity. Just look who is in power, the guys are registered in Israel. what about the fate of the common people? The more he dies or fights, the better they are.

          Unfortunately, the issue escalates and it is time for the leadership of the Russian Federation to set the task of declaring the independence of Crimea and other regions of Ukraine. precedents already exist. It seems to me that the military-political and economic situation will allow solving the Ukrainian issue in the framework of the Eurasian project positively for the Russian Federation.
          1. vitya29111973
            vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 53 New
            -3
            Brother, follow the Russian lands, I don’t know how the Crimea is, but the Kataysians soon will definitely declare the Far East independent !!!
        3. vitya29111973
          vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 50 New
          -1
          Duck commercials sell fraternally and gas to Ukraine at such a price that Germany sells the same Russian gas, which is transported 2000 km further out of great benefit for itself !!! Or, according to the principle, beat your own so that others are afraid !!!
          1. Tartary
            Tartary April 6 2013 05: 46 New
            +3
            Quote: vitya29111973
            Duck commercials sell fraternally and gas to Ukraine at such a price that Germany sells the same Russian gas, which is transported 2000 km further out of great benefit for itself !!! Or, according to the principle, beat your own so that others are afraid !!!

            Already wrote, but for a beginner I repeat:
            a simple arithmetic calculation, you can find out that the Russian family pays for 1000 mb. liquefied gas is almost 3500 US dollars.
            I have friends in Ukraine, so they confirm that gas for the population of Ukraine in price is no different from the cost for the population of Russia ...
            So for whom ..... opera break, brother ???????????? For your dad - the Ukrainian oligarch or for yourself?
            But obviously, not for the Ukrainian people!
      2. TRAFFIC
        TRAFFIC April 5 2013 10: 20 New
        +9
        The article should not use the word steal at all, what kind of nonsense. He fought the farther the worse. negative
        1. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg April 5 2013 11: 19 New
          +2
          ... replace with the phrase - legally selects ...
          1. TRAFFIC
            TRAFFIC April 5 2013 13: 05 New
            0
            And what is illegal?
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg April 5 2013 11: 18 New
        +1
        ... and consist of one line: "and the bear in the woods crap?"
      4. Natalia
        Natalia April 5 2013 12: 17 New
        10
        To blackmail Sevastopol is mean, low and simply not beautiful ....
        This is what I say to Ukrainian oligarchs. Such actions will lead to disaster for the Ukrainian side, I think it’s no secret to anyone that Russia just will not give up Sevastopol, and will not allow determining a malicious policy in relation to it in Sevastopol. More than once or twice Russia tried to oust from Sevastopol (even the Orangemen with the support of Bush) did not work.
        Yes, this city is part of Ukraine, but it is a psychological, subconsciously and genetically Russian city, because it is saturated through the blood of our ancestors (including Ukrainians), we put too many heads in our time to give it to someone so stupid today, and it was Russia in the past that determined its policy ..... there is no doubt about the future situation fundamentally will not change.
        I am sure that if Yanukovych makes some kind of not popular (harmful) decisions regarding Russia regarding Sevastopol, he will certainly catch a tough answer. P.E. Yan-Kovych should delimit gas graters with Russia and Sevastopol - the embodiment and triumph of the Russian Navy. As my dad says: "For Russia, Sevastopol is Holy!"
        I do not want to say that Russia will definitely select Sevastopol, but Russia will not allow it to be pulled out of the modern and future history of Russia just like that, it is simply beyond the power of anyone, nor the Ukrainian oligarchs, much less
        Ian Kovic.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi April 5 2013 13: 39 New
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          Quote: Natalia
          Russia just will not give up Sevastopol, and will not allow determining the malicious policy in relation to it in Sevastopol.

          ooh ...




          Arrival of USS Vella Gulf (CG-72) in Sevastopol

          and...



          USS Ford (FFG 54) arrives in Vladivostok



          USS Stetham and USS Cowpens teams in Vladivostok



          Destroyer Ariake and frigate Oyoda in Vladivostok

          two worlds - two systems?

          or just ... scratch your tongue?
          Yes, stop watching only ORT / RTR / NTV! take a look around what’s around!
          Yes, think a little bit!
          and then they said from above, "Here he is a bastard!" (this applies not only to Ukraine) and everyone hooted and shouted "Save Mother Russia!"
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv April 5 2013 13: 49 New
            +1
            And why on the third photo is the Russian missile cruiser signed FGG54?
            1. smprofi
              smprofi April 5 2013 14: 04 New
              +2
              Quote: mhpv
              And why on the third photo is the Russian missile cruiser signed FGG54?

              and carefully consider something doesn't allow?
              The photo was taken from the board of the USS FFG 54 Ford (see the American uniform?). meets him, the number is not visible, but most likely the Russian missile cruiser of the project 1164 Atlant 011 Varyag. flagship of the Pacific Fleet. on board the latter are Russian sailors in full dress.
              Now everything is clear?
              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 09 New
                0
                They have not written FFG 54 on their backs and the photo signed the arrival of FFG54 no connection. Thank God I don’t know about you, but I saw this 1164 project live when I served in Kamchatka so don’t fool yourself and people
                1. smprofi
                  smprofi April 5 2013 14: 18 New
                  +4
                  Quote: mhpv
                  so don’t fool yourself and people

                  and if so:



                  and in the appendage the original signature to the photo:

                  110702-N-MU720-089 VLADIVOSTOK, Russia (July 2, 2011) Sailors man the rails aboard the guided missile frigate USS Ford (FFG 54) as the ship arrives in Vladivostok, Russia, for a port visit. Ford Sailors will engage with the Russian navy, experience the local culture and conduct community service projects during the visit. (US Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Devon Dow / Released)


                  no, not convincing?
                  tady her ... repeat
                  1. Mhpv
                    Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 24 New
                    0
                    Damn you if you write aboutFFG54 then put the photos and not the backs of American sailors in skullcaps (our sailors have a better shape) and even a photo of the Russian ship on the main plan. It would be better if you just wrote without a photo.
                    1. smprofi
                      smprofi April 5 2013 14: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: mhpv
                      just wrote without a photo

                      no, unconvincing.

                      without a photo, just in my own words, I can say that during the times of the Union, Soviet "traders" and "fishermen" could not go into Vladivostok Bay without permission. not to mention different “friends”, especially if a peace treaty has not been signed with them and there are unresolved territorial claims (this is about Nippon’s, if it’s not clear).
                      1. Mhpv
                        Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 38 New
                        -3
                        It is not convincing, since in the 1991 amerikos arrived in Vladivostok on a friendly visit, and the ship of the Kamchatka division of the Volga MPPV visited San Francisco in honor of the 200 celebration of the Coast Guard.
                        Which is more convincing?
                        And just like that, merchant fishermen and others have nothing to visit in any ports where they are not based
                      2. smprofi
                        smprofi April 5 2013 15: 39 New
                        +1
                        Quote: mhpv
                        Not convincing since in 1991

                        well, well, in the 91st it was precisely the order ...
                      3. Mhpv
                        Mhpv April 5 2013 19: 03 New
                        0
                        That was until August 91.
                2. vitya29111973
                  vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 59 New
                  0
                  found something to complain about wassat
      5. Natalia
        Natalia April 5 2013 13: 55 New
        0
        Quote: smprofi
        Yes, stop watching only ORT / RTR / NTV!

        no mlyn I will watch your 1 + 1 ......
        Quote: smprofi
        and all hooted and shouted "Save Mother Russia!"

        .... Mother Russia, as you deigned, will be fine, why should we shout ..... and Sevastopol will not go anywhere, there hasn’t been such a thing in history yet .... and it’s unlikely to be.
        Well, with regards to Yanovich, it’s also hard to understand sitting on two chairs, which stress is what, no and no, it tears the roof off ..... hence the unpopular decisions.
        1. smprofi
          smprofi April 5 2013 14: 14 New
          0
          Quote: Natalia
          no mlyn I will watch your 1 + 1

          I do not insist. but sometimes you can.
          however, I myself watch ORT / RTR / NTV in order to have an idea of ​​what they feed

          Quote: Natalia
          with regards to Jan Kovic, you can also understand

          about Shepelyavag and there’s nothing to understand

          for some information on the topic of gas read:
          http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/03/10/6985205/
          http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/04/4/6987383/
          http://news.meta.ua/ua/cluster:29700182-Ukraina-prekratila-priobretat-rossiiskii
          -gaz --- Stavitskii /

          although reality lies outside the "informed" journals and analytes
          1. Natalia
            Natalia April 5 2013 14: 24 New
            0
            Quote: smprofi
            for some information on the topic of gas read:
            http://www.pravda.com.ua/rus/news/2013/03/10/6985205/

            I'm sorry, what is your name? Vasja - it’s necessary .... Well, dear Vasya, I inform sources with addresses like com.ua, pravda pravda ua ua, I try to avoid it, because they will write anything ........... that tell someone, then they will make fun of you.
            1. Mhpv
              Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 27 New
              +1
              The hour is also unequal and the plague which thread on these sources to pick up hi
              1. Natalia
                Natalia April 5 2013 14: 35 New
                +2
                Quote: mhpv
                The hour is also unequal and the plague which thread on these sources to pick up

                ))) ......hi
            2. smprofi
              smprofi April 5 2013 14: 36 New
              -1
              Natalia (1), girl, do not be rude.
              ladies it does not suit

              Quote: mhpv
              The hour is not equal

              natural!
              that’s the wise Tsar-Ampirator Vseya Gazprom of the same opinion

              1. Mhpv
                Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 44 New
                -1
                Well, here’s another plague from the Ukrainian TV tower.
                You’re better at advertising on your television there you can laugh at least
                1. smprofi
                  smprofi April 5 2013 15: 13 New
                  -2
                  Quote: mhpv
                  Well, here's another plague

                  the most interesting thing is that DrWeb has now been updated and issued this:

                  1. Natalia
                    Natalia April 5 2013 16: 06 New
                    +1
                    Natalia (1), girl, do not be rude.
                    ladies it does not suit

                    And yet, dear, you left the answer, where am I rude to you? winked
                  2. Mhpv
                    Mhpv April 5 2013 19: 25 New
                    0
                    Was Vasya climbing porn sites again?
                  3. Kasym
                    Kasym April 6 2013 22: 27 New
                    +2
                    Interestingly, y the same doctor WEB got out yesterday. I was there, I was climbing something - I wanted to connect to our website, so my daughter’s copm. completely cut out. Oh, and I heard a lot from my daughter. Now I communicate with the computer of my second daughter. That's it .
                2. savastyanov
                  savastyanov April 5 2013 20: 20 New
                  +1
                  I have the same garbage
                3. wax
                  wax April 6 2013 00: 28 New
                  0
                  Yes, throw this doctor away - Trojans climb through it, like through a holey sieve. And other advertised ones are no better if unlicensed., Even Kaspersky. I settled on two free programs; Avira and SUPERAntiSpyware and not a single computer on my flash drives a single virus was not.
            3. Natalia
              Natalia April 5 2013 14: 47 New
              0
              Quote: smprofi
              girl, do not be rude.
              ladies it does not suit

              I didn’t even intend to, tell me in which place I’ve been rude to you, that from what I wrote is rude.
              Quote: smprofi
              natural!
              that’s the wise Tsar-Ampirator Vseya Gazprom of the same opinion

              One thousand and five hundred years ago this video from YouTube, I watched it 100500 times what you want to surprise me .... and what you wanted to say by that. I don’t remember what year this video is, but today it’s already 2013 year ..... you understand that time does not stand still, and the mustache changes ..... Oh, how.
  2. Cynic
    Cynic April 5 2013 19: 11 New
    +2
    Quote: Natalia
    To blackmail Sevastopol is mean, low and simply not beautiful ....

    Excuse me. Who are you?
    Another _ Ay-ya-yay! tell me.
    Such homeland does not happen! And if by their oversight remained. then immediately auction _ Who will buy more expensive!
    hi
  3. vitya29111973
    vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 56 New
    -2
    And who blackmail, nonsense of the author of the article !!! Who can not let the fleet go, there is at least a drop of Logic !!!
  • Hunghuz
    Hunghuz April 5 2013 16: 37 New
    -1
    hi Ta wi sho? I beg of you? Kama needs him in the caches ......... ???
  • datur
    datur April 6 2013 00: 02 New
    0
    What a big Russia! And everywhere without an army anywhere! wink yes laughing
  • Akim
    Akim April 5 2013 10: 11 New
    +4
    Quote: Ruslan67
    When will finally stupid people stop linking the economy with politics what fool

    Do you think that such a high gas price for Ukraine is not politics?
    1. xan
      xan April 5 2013 14: 14 New
      -2
      Quote: Akim
      Do you think that such a high gas price for Ukraine is not politics?

      when there was a hangover, it was also politics
      and what did Russia get in return?
      Official russophobia
      1. Akim
        Akim April 5 2013 18: 34 New
        0
        Quote: xan

        when there was a hangover, it was also politics
        and what did Russia get in return?
        Official russophobia

        Not a carrot so stick. It turned out even worse.
        1. xan
          xan April 5 2013 22: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Akim
          Not a carrot so stick. It turned out even worse.

          But honestly and without snot
    2. wax
      wax April 6 2013 00: 41 New
      +1
      When oil prices creep down, Ukraine will still remember this contract. Just then Tymoshenko missed, because expected decline in oil prices. Ours then turned out to be more informed and prepared. Now others will miss. Energy trade cannot be based on momentary gains or losses. But, in fact, if Ukraine had not stolen gas for Europe then, such a contract would not have existed. And what did Yushchenko do at that time? Framed Tymoshenko? in general, all the troubles and achievements of the independent Ukraine of its own production, and there is nothing to blame for the mirror, if the mug is crooked (the proverb is not an insult, but a hint for good fellows).
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz April 5 2013 10: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Ruslan67
    When will finally stupid people stop linking the economy with politics

    Let me manage the money of any country and I do not care what politicians will be in power. Something like this. Rothschild.
    So no one is linking the economy and politics - because it is one and the same.
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg April 5 2013 11: 17 New
    -2
    Everything goes to that. Reached this country will come to sin.
  • vladeinord
    vladeinord April 5 2013 07: 10 New
    +1
    Are we, in fraternal Ukraine, selling gas more expensive than Europe? When will they stop biting at the top?
    1. Kolya
      Kolya April 5 2013 07: 43 New
      +4
      Expensive gas is an economic sanction on the puppet gangster Kiev government rallied with the oligarchs, which survives on a barrage of anti-Russian propaganda.
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 5 2013 10: 37 New
        +6
        Quote: Kohl
        Expensive gas is an economic sanction on the puppet gangster Kiev government rallied with the oligarchs, which survives on a barrage of anti-Russian propaganda.

        Voice of the First Channel! laughing But there is no propaganda, there is the ultimate truth. How convenient! When people don’t think. Any meanness can be wrapped in nobility, explain to them who the enemy is and they will sacredly believe.
        1. xan
          xan April 5 2013 14: 20 New
          -4
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Any meanness can be wrapped in nobility

          Listen eccentric, who are you teaching nobility?
          Not so long ago for a friendly Ukraine was
          In response from a noble Ukraine, Russia received official Russophobia
          What did you want from Russia after that to chew on the snot further?
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz April 5 2013 19: 59 New
            0
            Quote: xan
            Listen eccentric, who are you teaching nobility?

            You don’t need it. Exist like that.
            1. xan
              xan April 5 2013 21: 44 New
              0
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              Quote: xan
              Listen eccentric, who are you teaching nobility?

              You don’t need it. Exist like that.

              Usually normal people don’t spend time on meaningless posts, it’s a pity
              you apparently do not belong to them, Ukrainian intellectual
  • krasin
    krasin April 5 2013 07: 18 New
    -4
    Experts suggest that there will be no Ukraine in 8 years, they are destroying themselves. So sit comfortably and just watch. Silently!
    1. Kolya
      Kolya April 5 2013 07: 32 New
      +3
      This is precisely what the West wants us to destroy in parts! As you say for 8 years, Ukraine, and then ... Russia ??
    2. Akim
      Akim April 5 2013 07: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: krasin
      Experts suggest that Ukraine will not be in 8 years


      In the 94th, the same "experts" broadcast about the imminent collapse of Ukraine and the Soviet Union of Soviet Socialist Republics also gave at least 10 years, and, unfortunately, he died in a year. Do not trust these balabol. They get the money for that.
      1. Beck
        Beck April 5 2013 09: 54 New
        13
        And what is the noise?

        One neighbor in the country sold the second 50 sheets of slate. The second used 40, and sold ten sheets to the third neighbor. And why would the first neighbor be indignant, would sell the second 40 sheets, then the second would not sell anything to the third. Transaction law.

        Gazprom in the policy of sales itself gave a slip on what claims may now be. Germany pays for Russian gas in full. And Germany does not supply Ukraine with gas, taking it from its consumers. Germany sells surplus gas to Ukraine. The law of economics.
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz April 5 2013 10: 40 New
          +5
          Quote: Beck
          Germany pays for Russian gas in full. And Germany does not supply Ukraine with gas, taking it from its consumers. Germany sells surplus gas to Ukraine.

          And Germany will not succeed in running into so much as in fraternal Ukraine. (Now they will begin to write their grievances about - fraternal!) laughing
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic April 5 2013 12: 00 New
          +6
          Quote: Beck
          One neighbor in the country sold the second 50 sheets of slate. The second used 40, and sold ten sheets to the third neighbor. And why would the first neighbor be indignant, would sell the second 40 sheets, then the second would not sell anything to the third. The law of the transaction.


          About the sale of surplus .. happens like this.



          The same thing happens with gas reversal from sucking to a neighbor. Nobody steals anything .. business .. nothing personal laughing
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 12: 24 New
            +6
            Quote: Ascetic
            About the sale of surplus .. happens like this.


            I didn’t even talk about theft. Since I do not know they steal or do not steal. The article was written about reverse gas supplies. I wrote about this. And not that someone made a hole in the pipe and sucks the gas.
        3. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 5 2013 12: 42 New
          0
          Quote: Beck
          And why the noise? One neighbor in the country sold the second 50 sheets of slate. The second used 40, and sold ten sheets to the third neighbor. And why would the first neighbor be indignant, would sell the second 40 sheets, then the second would not sell anything to the third. The law of the transaction. Gazprom in the sales policy itself gave a slip on what claims may now be. Germany pays for Russian gas in full. And Germany does not supply Ukraine with gas, taking it from its consumers. Germany sells surplus gas to Ukraine. The law of economics.

          In fact, the situation for the Russian Federation is complicated and there are many legal corners. In principle, it is possible to prove the illegality of such actions, but judging by the contracts, gas is sold “to the border”. This is sad, but indeed sad for Ukraine.
          Everything will be decided in May, if Kiev does not initiate an agreement with the EU, then they will beat him. In this case, the Russian Federation has a XNUMX% chance of suing Kiev whatever it wants. After all, the “take or pay” formula has not been canceled. and it doesn’t matter how much gas Ukraine withdraws on the side, the volumes are approved and signed at the very top. if they are not legitimate. as the Ukrainian government claims. The power itself is not legitimate either, for the succession of power is one of the key conditions of statehood. In any case, Ukraine rushes to the abyss and there are fewer and fewer maneuver fields. The only question is that in the end it will join the Russian Federation. Either old brothers, or cheap white labor.
          Only the population of Ukraine is in the red.
      2. nnz226
        nnz226 April 5 2013 10: 54 New
        0
        Dear, would you like to read a story (even an independent textbook for the 6 class), the USSR ceased to be in the 1991 year, and in 1994 no one predicted its “life” for 10 years .... And it’s independent, trying to sit on 2 chairs, the EU and the CU will soon cease to be interesting, and then, after conferring, these 2 structures will divide the territory of idiots in the style of the partition of Poland in the 18 century. And Urya-patriots of Bandera sense-zapadentsy will be under the "yoke" of Poland, Germany, etc. then let them say “Glory to Ukraine!”, and I’ll see how fast they’re going to get the coal to chop into the Silesian mines ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 April 5 2013 08: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: krasin
      Experts suggest that there will be no Ukraine in 8 years, they are destroying themselves. So sit comfortably and just watch. Silently!



      You cannot even come up with a more stupid proposal, get a "such" problem at your side. Our country needs to do everything possible so that this scenario does not come true or that it goes, in a way that is advantageous to us ...
      1. krasin
        krasin April 5 2013 09: 21 New
        +3
        What can we help them ??? Give money and gas for free ?? If they climb into the loop. Are all the actions of Russia aimed at rapprochement, or am I wrong?
        1. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz April 5 2013 10: 46 New
          +3
          Quote: krasin
          Are all Russia's actions aimed at rapprochement, or am I wrong?

          But what about. Only sometimes does it resemble rapprochement in melee. laughing
          In fact, I would really like for smaller authors on similar websites to write similar authors as they tried. These figures are definitely trying to separate. For such, it’s definitely a joy if Ukraine and Russia are biting.
          1. Skavron
            Skavron April 5 2013 13: 09 New
            +1
            and who was this one?
            probably an unknown copywriter from the freelance site ...
      2. Vital 33
        Vital 33 April 5 2013 09: 27 New
        +9
        Almost every day, from year to year, in various sources they write that "tomorrow" Ukraine "kirdyk" ... not tired? Ukraine lives like that, and not as bad as they say ... not Europe, but not Zimbabwe ...
        1. Irazesh
          Irazesh April 5 2013 11: 34 New
          +3
          There will be no quick kirdyk in Ukraine. Slow fading is possible. Actually, there is now an analogue of seven-bankers in Russia. They will pull the juices to the last. And then - even a flood.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ April 5 2013 13: 07 New
            -5
            Quote: Irazesh
            There will be no quick kirdyk in Ukraine. Slow fading is possible. Actually, there is now an analogue of seven-bankers in Russia. They will pull the juices to the last. And then - even a flood.

            Why not? The court will decide to pay compensation for gas shortages, the IMF will not give money. Demand for metallurgical products will fall, creditors will demand their money back. Cold winter will come, but there is no heat in the house. there is no currency in the country and goods on the shelves. All this is already on the horizon, just as long as politicians bargain cookies from two nannies. but everything will change by June.
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 5 2013 13: 03 New
          -1
          Quote: Vital 33
          Almost every day, from year to year, in various sources they write that "tomorrow" Ukraine "kirdyk" ... not tired? Ukraine lives like that, and not as bad as they say ... not Europe, but not Zimbabwe ...

          They write because it is. What is a state? In the classical form, it is still a population. But in Ukraine it is dying out. Over the past 12 years, it has decreased by almost 10 percent. And this is with the growth of middle age, the population is already over 40 years old. This dynamic, even the trend, best describes the future. if today Ukraine is already sitting on IMF loans. then tomorrow there will be no one to work. Soviet heritage prosrali, all metalallom already sold. What are you counting on? EURO 2012 And what did it bring besides scandals? Ukraine has become a mecca for tourists?
          And what will happen when Sochi is completed? The main flow of tourists comes from Russia, perhaps it will run out. What is the strategic movement of Ukraine? What will she do in 20 years, in 50? What is being prepared for non-population? What schools to send their children to? Is he studying physics or painting?
          It is a pity for the population and it is a pity not for the troubles that await him, but a pity for the lack of intelligence.
          1. vitya29111973
            vitya29111973 April 6 2013 01: 13 New
            0
            We do not have China nearby, and there are less Chinese more than Russians. But the amount of drawing does not fall !!!!
      3. nnz226
        nnz226 April 5 2013 10: 57 New
        -3
        Hook Crimea, the eastern regions and the Black Sea - and u! The rest is not required !!! Even Kiev - “Mother (of his) Russian cities” can be ignored, nehai will be something independent, and clowns will be happy to run through the streets in order to hold a plenary meeting somewhere ...
      4. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ April 5 2013 12: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: svp67
        You cannot even come up with a more stupid proposal, get a "such" problem at your side. Our country needs to do everything possible so that this scenario does not come true or that it goes, in a way that is advantageous to us ...

        The question is very controversial. The fact is that Ukraine and its elite exist not at the expense of the economy of their country, but at the expense of the sale of such a resource as the “division of the Russian world”. And she didn’t even live very badly. And only when Russia stopped emotionally, fraternally bargaining with Ukraine, only then did progress really begin. If you pull Ukraine to yourself by hook or by crook, then the value of the product "division of the Russian world" increases incredibly. Therefore, Ukrainians are pulling for their loyalty from two sides. However, as soon as one side reduces its participation, the product becomes cheaper and Europe no longer needs it. Europe needs only one thing so that Ukraine is not part of the Russian Federation, since they are afraid of such a civilization to death. However, the destroyed and dying Ukraine is an ideal solution for them, the main thing is that it does not weaken so much that the Russian Federation takes it “from the start”.

        That is all politics.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 5 2013 07: 27 New
    +1
    Nothing to worry about - the amount of gas from Hungary is measured by molecules. To meet the needs of Ukraine in gas and a billion Hungary is not enough. It’s easier and cheaper to grow peas and then process the whole population into fuel. But seriously: what is not forbidden is allowed. Please clarify, according to the agreement, SO is possible or not. If you can, fire your lawyers, Gazprom. I wrote something about this in today's article, "PR, incompetence and the" Hack "law."
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 5 2013 08: 18 New
      +2
      Hungary, of course, has no gas fields and volumes for export. The Hungarians only provided their pipe to the German comrades who receive gas from Gazprom. And most likely, Russian gas for the Hungarians remains in Ukraine, and the Germans compensate the Hungarians with deliveries on other routes. Well, the article also states that the price is 7% lower, in real life even lower (percentage higher), because it does not take into account the 100 dollar discount for extending the lease of Sevastopol.
    2. xan
      xan April 5 2013 14: 38 New
      -2
      Quote: FC Skiff
      If you can, fire your lawyers, Gazprom.


      Yes, everything is fine with lawyers, in the legal field for losses from such fraud Gazprom should be compensated by fines from Ukraine for gas shortages.
      Now there are no legal claims against Hungary and Germany.
      But Gazprom will definitely draw conclusions for the future.
      They always draw conclusions
  • Kolya
    Kolya April 5 2013 07: 30 New
    +7
    Ukraine does not steal, Ukrainian oligarchs steal, just like the Russian oligarchs steal, because they are the oligarchs because they steal!
    1. smprofi
      smprofi April 5 2013 11: 53 New
      0
      Quote: Kohl
      Ukrainian oligarchs are stealing, just like Russian oligarchs are stealing

      and yes!
  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 April 5 2013 07: 35 New
    +1
    What kind of top managers are these in Russia? Only personal bonuses and millions of payments have learned to count, but the company can’t predict the activity, obviously there isn’t enough thunder. Redneck!
  • Denis
    Denis April 5 2013 07: 36 New
    +3
    There are so many people, so many opinions. I will cite a parable in the spirit of oriental narrators, or rather a joke:
    My grandfather told me about the top of Ukrainian cunning.
    His neighbor had a “Zaporozhets” without an engine, a tank and other things, just a body, wheels, a steering wheel and a seat ...
    Every autumn he hammered it full of eggplants, pushed it onto the highway like broke and voted ...
    In general, his kind people in tow who dragged as much as they could ...
    So he got to Moscow and shoved vegetables there and back the same way ...
    And you say they’re tying gas, they’ve completely become impudent ...
    1. smprofi
      smprofi April 5 2013 12: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Denis
      all my life have been like that

      oh these fairy tales, oh these fairy tales ... ©

      about gas sputter.
      in order to reason it is necessary to know at least something, except what the magazines and analysts tell.
      I will tell my story.
      with a hunchback they were sent to study business abroad. Among them, in particular, was Rem Vyakhirev and one of his sidekicks (I don’t remember the name now, and it doesn’t matter). after the division of the Union, Vyakhirev decided on Gazprom. sidekick remained in Ukraine. Vyakhirev called him, but "they feed us well here, too," and also got attached to the "theme of gas." but the “second person” (why shine?), and the first gas in Ukraine was Igor Bakay, who was also quite close to Kuchma, almost like his own son.
      and then a simple scheme was “invented”: gas is supplied to Ukraine, Vyakhirev’s sidekick finds him “use” in Europe at a bargain price, if only quickly and for real money. Ukraine as a state in transit from the transaction, in a share: Vyakhirev (in person personally), Kuchma, sidekick and Bakai. maybe someone else, but these are the main ones. in real life, gas was sprayed by "successful businessmen" from Ukraine, well, Gazprom also hung on it the same debts on the supplied gas.
      the fact of debts very well periodically rose ORT / RTR, when necessary.
      then came Putin, the future inventor of hydrocarbon weapons. and decided to take control of Gazprom. why not? such a tidbit. and during the transfer of cases for agreement / approval to Kiev was sent to the arrow Vyakhirev.
      and quite by accident I saw a direct report on the arrival of Vyakhirev and how he was met. naturally, ORT / RTR did not show a small press conference on the meeting. and the moment was interesting: Vyakhirev and Chernomyrdin (at that time the Russian ambassador to Ukraine) were standing and around there were a bunch of magazines with microphones and, basically, with one question: "Did Ukraine gas gas? Should Ukraine pay for gas?". and Chernomyrdin had mercy on one young lady (either too stubborn or liked him):
      “Why are you asking me?” Here Vyakhirev, he leads Gazprom, and ask him.
      young lady begins to scramble Vyakhireva. he got used to it, blushed, was silent for a while, then issued:
      - No, Ukraine should not for gas.
      1. smprofi
        smprofi April 5 2013 12: 51 New
        +9
        ORT / RTR, of course, did not show this. but for more than 3 months after this, the fired gas was silent like a fish on ice.
        then Ryaby came to power. and there wouldn’t be anything, but, as the Criminal Code qualifies, he “offended” Putin, the Tsar-Ampirator of All Gazprom, with the action. after that came the "economically sound gas price for Ukraine." and Tsar-Ampirator Vseya Gazprom began broadcasting with a zombie man that "we will stop dating and feeding Ukraine."
        flag in hand, drum on the neck.
        Yes, after Ryaby came, I don’t know about the fate of the sidekick Vyakhirev, but Bakai rushed to Russia. somewhere in a dusty position it’s arranged, however, not as chocolate as in Ukraine. but sometimes he tells magazines about the difficulties of the gas business in Ukraine.

        but in this whole business I am more interested not so much in the fuss of "successful businessmen" and "servants of the people" as in the position of ordinary citizens:
        But how do you, ordinary Russians, care about the price of gas and how much does anyone buy it for?
        the Tsar-Ampirator Vseya Gazprom broke the "reasonable" price, more than two times higher than it was.
        have you ordinary Russians begun to live better? - no
        increased pensions? - no
        increased salary budget employees? - no
        just don’t need to tell me about Gazprom’s “state affiliation” and other crap. besides the fact that I have a lot of relatives all over Russia in various forums, I received a bunch of confirmations that at the expense of Ukrainians, in particular, ordinary Russians did not get anything.

        Well, why do you, ordinary Russians, have to tear yourself and defend the revenues of the same Gazprom?
        meaning?
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 5 2013 13: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: smprofi
          Well, why do you, ordinary Russians, have to tear yourself and defend the revenues of the same Gazprom?

          They’ll tell you about love for the homeland)))))))))
          I have said and say for a long time that the guidelines have already been set for the praise and greatness of the new Tsar, the collector of Russian lands.
          Social psychology is a great science, and this site only confirms this.
        2. xan
          xan April 5 2013 14: 46 New
          -1
          Quote: smprofi
          Well, why do you, ordinary Russians, have to tear yourself and defend the revenues of the same Gazprom?
          meaning?


          Oh, another one included Ukrainian intelligence and Ukrainian cunning
          you better breed rabbits, they are stupid
          1. smprofi
            smprofi April 5 2013 15: 14 New
            0
            Quote: xan
            you better breed rabbits

            true!
            Krolegs are not only valuable fur ...
  • Eugene
    Eugene April 5 2013 07: 44 New
    0
    But this is a failure to fulfill agreements. Someone will have to pay for a shortage of haz.
  • mark1
    mark1 April 5 2013 07: 50 New
    +3
    In gas supply contracts, in general, there should be a fad about the ban on re-export, so to speak, of a product for domestic consumption. So Miller is not in vain cheating.
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 5 2013 07: 53 New
    0
    Well, it’s really strange here, it seems like Ukraine has the right to buy the same gas from the Hungarians, I personally do not see any fraud.
    you just need to either revise the volumes of supplies to the EU (so that there is no surplus left) or raise prices to Ukrainian, then reselling will not be profitable. Or exchange say Crimea and Sevastopol, for free gas for several years. (and that Greece, for example, sells its islands to pay off its debts), or just wait for Ukraine to fall apart and these territories themselves will leave (but then you have to deal with the Turks)
    1. Captain Vrungel
      Captain Vrungel April 5 2013 08: 21 New
      +3
      Power is clinging to one another, not the people. Who is in power? Oligarchs, magnates. Whose interests do they protect? States? The people? No. Their. Who are the people for them? The cheap labor of “biomass”, but also of the “kazly” (as the godfather on the golden toilet stated) are preventing them from living. So that flies separately, cutlets separately. A thief at a thief steals stolen from you.
      Imagine, If tycoons got rid of greed (uncontrolled process of enrichment), Half of greed, half became more honest, half stolen, half paid taxes. Half real wages. That is how rich we and our state have become. While the state is not us, but they. They have a profitable part, an expense for us.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus April 5 2013 08: 08 New
    +2
    Ukraine sets a condition? Do not give gas do not let the ships? Block it altogether. Will they take in Europe? To rewrite the supply agreement, which indicates the transfer and resale of the supplied gas is prohibited. AND EVERYTHING.

    Quote: krasin
    Experts suggest that there will be no Ukraine in 8 years, they are destroying themselves. So sit comfortably and just watch. Silently!


    And 8 years will not have to wait.
    1. Aeneas
      Aeneas April 5 2013 08: 29 New
      +5
      we don’t know the texts of Gazprom’s agreement with the Europeans, and even with Ukraine it’s a trade secret. But it is known that the Nord Stream was financed by the Germans, and private investors and shareholders will not throw money away, so the pipe in the North Stream must be filled. And then the Germans, receiving Russian gas, can do various tricks, formally stating that the gas is not Russian, but of a different origin (Norwegian, Qatari, Algerian, etc.). However, Russia did the same when it received free Turkmen gas (prohibiting it from pumping to other Turkmen customers) and resold it to Europe as Gazprom gas. True, the Turkmens have already built a pipe to China (more precisely, the Chinese built and financed) ... In general, IMHO, it’s enough for Gazprom to fool, and sell gas to Ukraine at prices both for Europeans and not for "brotherly" ones. For this whole performance is fraught with the loss of the Ukrainian market for Gazprom, the Russian sanctions against Ukraine of a political and economic nature, the retaliatory demarches of Kiev ... All this is in the hands of the Americans and Europeans, however.
      1. mark1
        mark1 April 5 2013 08: 42 New
        +2
        It’s a little expensive to drive gas from Germany to Ukraine, so the Nord Stream has nothing to do with it, most likely the pipe is stupidly looped at the border and there is not even transportation costs in the price of re-export gas, which is fraud and is easy to prove.
        1. Aeneas
          Aeneas April 5 2013 08: 53 New
          +1
          well, the Poles are driving the Norwegian. German concerns can flexibly use different routes and storage. While the space is common and the pipe is common. The owners of the pipe have no right to prevent the passage of gas in accordance with Euro legislation ... Although it is certainly more efficient to receive Russian gas from Hungary or Poland. And gas goes there, because the meters are on the western border of Ukraine. But who then is the doctor that the price at the Ukraine-Europe border is much cheaper than at the Russia-Ukraine border?
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 April 5 2013 08: 09 New
    +2
    Gas is not fat, do not hide. We must somehow find a common language.
  • mark1
    mark1 April 5 2013 08: 10 New
    +4
    Initially, it was planned to place new submarine frigates and a brigade in the Novorossiysk naval base for this purpose in its reconstruction and a pile of dough. Yes, not the Sevastopol Bay, but it is guaranteed that there is no one to wait for any tricks.
    1. avt
      avt April 5 2013 09: 28 New
      +3
      Quote: mark1
      Initially, it was planned to place new submarine frigates and a brigade in the Novorossiysk naval base for this purpose in its reconstruction and a pile of dough. Yes, not the Sevastopol Bay, but it is guaranteed that there is no one to wait for any tricks.

      ,, Sagittarius bypassed me .... " laughing good That's right, in fact the normal base of the fleet is Novorossiysk. Alas, Sevastopol is more of a political base. request To find the main forces of the fleet - a place with a sufficiently large number of risks. Well, about the gas, laughing so here everything is stable at the shelter, which is a sign of mastery. laughingThat's why they are ukry.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 08: 37 New
    +5
    Does Ukraine steal Russian gas?



    This title does not match the text of the article. More appropriate "In what ways Ukraine is trying to bring down gas prices"
  • zvereok
    zvereok April 5 2013 08: 42 New
    +2
    I’m not sure of all 100%, it was said in a way that in the agreements with the Europeans there was a clause on the ban on gas re-export. Secondly, bending down, first with the nationalization of the pipeline in the Baltic states, then with penalties for gas shortages and discounts on the price. Be prepared, Mr. Miller, that no one in Europe will comply with the Filkin letter you name the contract. In other words, Russia has an economic sense long before the 2008 of the year, and since the 2008 of the year, they arranged a gangbang in general, and people with disabilities and footless ones, such as the Baltic states, Psheks, etc. Unfortunately it's true. Glory to effective managers! We don’t give up! Friends all the rest of the law!
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 April 5 2013 09: 57 New
      +1
      If there was a clause in the agreement with the Europeans on the prohibition of gas re-export, then Miller would then directly accuse Germany and Hungary of violating the agreement !!! And so .... reasoning about "fraudulent schemes" is an attempt to maintain a good face in a bad game.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 5 2013 14: 26 New
        0
        May be so.
  • Tatarus
    Tatarus April 5 2013 08: 46 New
    0
    Russia after the collapse of the USSR fell ill with El Cynicism. Remember what happened. And Russia predicted the collapse, section. And the people, too, could not do anything with EBN. In general, it seems that all the former republics, to one extent or another, fell ill with El Cynism then. It’s just that in Ukraine the disease dragged on, and not only in it. We, of course, do not have all the GUD either. But certainly recovering. Why am I doing this? Moreover, my negative comments are not directed against the people of Ukraine. Only against the rulers who deliberately destroy the state of Ukraine.
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 5 2013 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Tatarus
      But certainly recovering. Why am I doing this? Moreover, my negative comments are not directed against the people of Ukraine. Only against the rulers who deliberately destroy the state of Ukraine.

      Do not believe the media. Come see. Not everything is so bad. As different bowals say. laughing There are enough difficulties, as elsewhere. But there are gaps.
      1. xan
        xan April 5 2013 15: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        But there are gaps.

        in this place I would like more details
  • KoRSaR1
    KoRSaR1 April 5 2013 09: 15 New
    0
    It is unclear why there was so much to write on the topic, it was easier to write "Does Ukraine steal Russian gas?" "Yes" laughing ))
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS April 5 2013 09: 37 New
      0
      The obviousness of the answer to this question lies on the surface. Tyryli, tyryat and will tyry while gas is supplied through a pipe through their territory. The attempt to enter a “good” life on the back of a “neighbor” is in line with the policies of the Ukrainian leadership in the last twenty years. Moreover, it resembles a game in the days of the gate. And in ours. But one has only to tell them that they are not quite right, as the howls about the "imperialist" plans of Russia and the bow towards the West immediately begin.
  • wlad59
    wlad59 April 5 2013 09: 25 New
    +3
    "... At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities were not informed of the start of the exercises. Actually, the international legislation does not provide for this, but ..." is a delusional statement, first of all, it stipulates international law, and secondly, the Ukrainian authorities were Notify you a week before the start of the exercises!
    1. TRAFFIC
      TRAFFIC April 5 2013 10: 27 New
      0
      Quietly, this is a secret, according to legend, because these were sudden teachings. laughing
    2. MAG
      MAG April 5 2013 10: 29 New
      0
      "... At the same time, the Ukrainian authorities were not informed of the start of the exercises. Actually, the international legislation does not provide for this, but ..." is a delusional statement, first of all, it stipulates international law, and secondly, the Ukrainian authorities were Notify you a week before the start of the exercises! And we were told on all TVs that the teachings were sudden, that only a large PU knew about them, but it turns out that everyone except our military knew laughing
      1. wlad59
        wlad59 April 5 2013 10: 33 New
        +3
        I didn’t understand ... that Putin had to have each lieutenant personally call back on the phone in a week ??? “The Ukrainian government was informed about the exercises in a week” - and your military MUST NOT know about the start of the exercises!
        1. MAG
          MAG April 5 2013 11: 06 New
          +2
          this is in the context of the fact that the teachings are extraordinary and if the brothers knew then the west knew and not as we are shown that we ourselves with a mustache and do not warn anyone
          1. wlad59
            wlad59 April 5 2013 11: 25 New
            +1
            "... if the brothers knew then the West knew ..." - these are your conclusions (not confirmed by anything), but how your TV presents this news to you is not a problem of Ukrainian-Russian relations.
            1. MAG
              MAG April 5 2013 12: 23 New
              0
              So you think that Ukraine is so special that you were warned and the west is not? But how do you teach these teachings YOUR TV? enlighten will be something to compare!
              1. wlad59
                wlad59 April 5 2013 15: 10 New
                +2
                I enlighten: The exercises were conducted by the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, which is deployed including in the Crimea (ter. Ukraine) therefore, according to Int. agreements, the leadership of Ukraine was warned in advance - so they say and so, we are not going to attack anyone, it's just a drill. (so that warriors do not seem to be honey). And since the exercises were carried out in ter. the waters of Russia and Ukraine - what does the West have to do with it ??? PS When the exercises began, the journalists immediately pounced on the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine (what the garbage, why they did not warn us), what deputy. Minister replied that there was an official notice from Russia.
  • Makarov
    Makarov April 5 2013 10: 09 New
    +1
    I do not see any fraud scheme. Roughly speaking, I buy goods not directly from the manufacturer’s factory, but through an intermediary. only on such a scale is there such an absurdity that the wholesale from the manufacturer is sold more expensive than retail from the supplier ... actually for those contracts Julia (unprintable words) and sits in a jail so that she (unprintable words) would be fed well there .....
  • Romn
    Romn April 5 2013 10: 21 New
    +1
    Well, I honestly don’t understand why all this mess is needed, Russia and Ukraine are perfect not the countries that need to be at war and that I can do this, it won’t work out well. We need to stop already, stop and understand, we must act together and for the good of each other ...
  • Alyoha
    Alyoha April 5 2013 10: 24 New
    0
    Selling Ukraine not for $ 450 but for $ 1000. If they had gas and we didn’t have it, they would either "freeze" us at all or sell them for $ 1000-2000. Of course, they are the same people with us, only with their move and a sense of their imaginary superiority, but after they helped Georgia in preparation for 8.08 and Chicha, I don’t understand why Ukraine is allowed to climb into the humpback of Russia ?!
    1. Corneli
      Corneli April 5 2013 14: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Alyoha
      Selling Ukraine not for $ 450 but for $ 1000. If they had gas and we didn’t have it, they would either "freeze" us at all or sell them for $ 1000-2000. Of course, they are the same people with us, only with their move and a sense of their imaginary superiority, but after they helped Georgia in preparation for 8.08 and Chicha, I don’t understand why Ukraine is allowed to climb into the humpback of Russia ?!

      Nastoka enchanting nonsense that even put a plus! lol
    2. Corneli
      Corneli April 5 2013 18: 52 New
      +1
      By the way, purely for such tough "Ukrainophiles", Dear, you forgot to develop an idea ... If Ukraine had a large army and Russia had a small, Ukraine POLYUBE would attack Russia long ago and brazenly grab all natural resources ... If Ukraine had used nuclear weapons - Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities would have been radioactive funnels ... because Ukrainians HATE Russia !!!! am
      1. Beck
        Beck April 6 2013 09: 18 New
        -1
        Quote: Corneli
        By the way, it’s pure for such tough “Ukrainophiles” that you, Dear, forgot to develop an idea ... If Ukraine had a large army and Russia had a small, Ukraine POLYUBE would attack Russia long ago and brazenly grab all natural resources... If Ukraine had used nuclear weapons - Moscow, St. Petersburg and other cities would have been radioactive funnels ... after all, Ukrainians HATE Russia!!!


        That's what you write your exuberant fantasies, passing it off as truth. What do you think in Ukraine, all as inadequate as you. Not knowing the recent history, not even interested in it, you give out such pearls. Well, right, the language is that which is bold, because the head is empty.

        Ukraine has been independent since 1991. And until 1994, she owned an impressive arsenal of nuclear weapons.

        Until 1992, Ukraine had tactical nuclear weapons - nuclear artillery ammunition for 152 mm and 203 mm guns, 152 mm howitzers and 240 mm mortars. Operational tactical nuclear weapons - Aviation nuclear bombs for front-line aviation aircraft, Skud, Elbrus, Luna-M, Tochka-U missiles, and Kh-15, Kh-22, and Kh-55 cruise missiles. In total, operational and tactical warheads were about 2,5 thousand.

        Until 1994, Ukraine had strategic nuclear weapons - the former 19 and 46 missile divisions with 176 ICBMs in silo launchers, strategic missiles of the UR-100N type.

        In 1994, Ukraine joined the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and all missiles and ammunition were exported to Russia. And there was no bad mind in Ukraine to launch these missiles at Moscow and St. Petersburg.

        Corneli, read it? And now if you can redden, if you can’t, use your language elsewhere.
  • shurup
    shurup April 5 2013 10: 25 New
    +3
    Ukraine does not steal cheese, but carefully bites it from either the eastern or the western mousetrap. But the end is creeping up unnoticed - one of them will work.
    Does Ukraine still comfort itself with the illusions that one can remain independent with such neighbors?
    And Russia should think about creating a floating Kronstadt for the Black Sea Fleet. With nuclear power plants, docks, an airfield and a parade ground for the holidays. It should take into account the experience of Japanese comrades and Noah's best practices.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 10: 33 New
      +3
      Quote: shurup
      And Russia should think about creating a floating Kronstadt for the Black Sea Fleet. With nuclear power plants, docks, an airfield and a parade ground for the holidays. It should take into account the experience of Japanese comrades and Noah's best practices.

      From what side it is, what kind of "floating Kronstadts" to create, if Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors. This is tantamount to the betrayal of all our ancestors who died there. They tried to block the entrance to the Mirage Bay, after 08.08.08/XNUMX/XNUMX, how did it end? So continue to do so.
      1. Akim
        Akim April 5 2013 10: 51 New
        +2
        Quote: Garrin
        if Sevastopol CITY OF RUSSIAN Sailors.

        No one disputes this, but PORT ARTHUR is also a city of RUSSIAN GLORY, but no one Lishun requires from the Chinese.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin April 5 2013 10: 58 New
          -1
          You are trying to compare not compared.
          1. Setrac
            Setrac April 5 2013 12: 46 New
            -2
            The time will come back, too, Dalny, not all at once.
          2. Akim
            Akim April 5 2013 14: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Garrin
            You are trying to compare not compared.

            How is this different?
            1. xan
              xan April 5 2013 15: 15 New
              -1
              Quote: Akim
              How is this different?

              And it’s different in that it is for us Russians to decide what is more important for us
              1. Akim
                Akim April 5 2013 15: 37 New
                +1
                You just send or fax? And who said that you are more Russian than those who live in Ukraine? Until the year 91, there was a single country and a single history. So that Sevastopol can be considered Russian. But now, as if it were unpleasant for you, it is on the territory of Ukraine and this is not being discussed. And leave childish nationalism for rhetoric in front of the mirror and do not stir up the water. There will be no good from this.
                1. xan
                  xan April 5 2013 21: 53 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  So that Sevastopol can be considered Russian. But now, as if it were unpleasant for you, it is on the territory of Ukraine and this is not being discussed.

                  Who is not being discussed?
                  You are Ukrainians invaders there, this is not your land. Reduce your Ukrainian national ambition, it has nothing with reality, but it has much in common with the disease of the same name. Open your eyes and see how in the modern world they are remaking borders of problem countries
            2. Garrin
              Garrin April 5 2013 18: 13 New
              0
              Quote: Akim
              How is this different?

              First, Port Arthur was leased by Russia from China for 25 years, and the Crimea was conquered by the Russian Empire.
              Secondly, Port Arthur was surrendered after a heroic defense to the Japanese, and then came under the jurisdiction of Japan, as a result of Russia's loss of the Russo-Japanese War.
              And how can this be compared?
              So, Sevastopol and Crimea, as they were Russian, they remained so. We have not lost anything to you, and justice will prevail.
              Yes, and you can put your cons, you yourself know where.
              1. Akim
                Akim April 5 2013 18: 48 New
                -3
                Quote: Garrin
                Quote: Akim
                How is this different?

                Yes, and you can put your cons, you yourself know where.

                To begin with, I’m not negative - I’m not interested. Apparently did not like the words to someone else.
                Based on this logic, Ukraine should have fought with Russia over the Crimea. Are you out of your mind? Ukraine may not be a rival to Russia militarily, but the second Chechnya could be Crimea - a powder keg. There just throw a match of war Tatars will immediately emerge. And there is Turkey. And in Ukraine, Russia would definitely lose support, even in the southeast.
                1. Garrin
                  Garrin April 5 2013 19: 12 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Akim
                  Based on this logic, Ukraine should have fought with Russia over the Crimea.

                  Based on my logic, Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors. This is where I started. But there is no need to fight there, history will put everything in its place.
                  1. Akim
                    Akim April 5 2013 19: 23 New
                    0
                    Quote: Garrin

                    Based on my logic, Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors. This is where I started. But there is no need to fight there, history will put everything in its place.

                    I repeat;
                    Quote: Akim

                    No one disputes this.

                    Maybe history will put everything in its place. only she is an ungrateful whore (HISTORY). How it will be so. But there is nothing constantly to "hawks" to grind teeth and to repeat that Ukraine will die. I doubt it.
                    1. Garrin
                      Garrin April 5 2013 20: 18 New
                      -1
                      Quote: Akim
                      How it will be so. But there is nothing constantly to "hawks" to grind teeth and to repeat that Ukraine will die. I doubt it.

                      If you mean me, then I never said such a thing, especially in such expressions. And when you consider that my roots are from Donbass, and my relatives are there, I will never say that. But you yourself have long to decide who you are and against whom. Personally, it’s unpleasant for me that those whom I consider to be brothers hang out like a flower in an ice hole and wait, whom it is more profitable to betray.
                      1. Garrin
                        Garrin April 5 2013 20: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Garrin

                        If you mean me

                        Another "-".
                        Classic as he said?
                        "Praise and slander
                        Received indifferently.
                        And do not dispute the fool. "
                        I believe that our dialogue is over, I do not want to dispute.
                2. xan
                  xan April 5 2013 22: 00 New
                  0
                  Quote: Akim
                  And in Ukraine, Russia would definitely lose support, even in the southeast.

                  Normal Russians in Ukraine understand what's what, and will be with Russia in any case. Why do we need those whose support can be lost?
                  1. Akim
                    Akim April 5 2013 22: 29 New
                    +1
                    I am not a Ukrainian, but a citizen of Ukraine. . But this is my homeland. As for modern Russia, it has done nothing good to me. Why should I love her?
                    1. xan
                      xan April 8 2013 21: 06 New
                      -2
                      Quote: Akim
                      As for modern Russia, it has done nothing good to me. Why should I love her?

                      You write in every post that you do not belong to the Russian world. You first need to get nishtyak, and then you think.
                      For your independence, you can’t worry now
                      A free Ukraine needs you. Russia needs others.
      2. Alyoha
        Alyoha April 5 2013 22: 17 New
        0
        I don’t understand why Ukraine has Crimea ?! All the time on the “tails” and here also the Crimea for free.
      3. shurup
        shurup April 6 2013 11: 25 New
        +1
        I do not like the announced plans to create a reserve base in Novorossiysk.
        And I did not forget how the Germans mined the harbor of Sevastopol and what was happening in the waters of the Baltic during the same period. You can ask the descendants of the dead.
        "Kronstadt" anchored near Sochi would not hurt.
        1. Akim
          Akim April 6 2013 11: 47 New
          -1
          Quote: shurup
          .
          And I did not forget how the Germans mined the harbor of Sevastopol and what was happening in the waters of the Baltic during the same period. .

          Eternal memory to those who defended our Motherland. But are you really at least 70 years old that you remember those events?
  • abc_alex
    abc_alex April 5 2013 11: 01 New
    +5
    Once again, they are trying to convince the Russians that when someone spits on the contracts signed with them, this is a blessing. It's funny ...
  • gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz April 5 2013 11: 04 New
    +4
    Another pearl. To such people, the concept of CONSCIENCE is not known. So he is looking for what reason to play off Russians and Ukrainians. But he won’t find it. Valerochka, stop writing, do not disgrace Mom. crying
  • Opera
    Opera April 5 2013 11: 49 New
    +5
    And what is the argument ?! What international legal norms ?! What kind of questions - why connect economics and politics ?! But how can one not connect them if one follows from the other and vice versa! Such realities, what can you do! Russia is a fraternal country for Ukraine and therefore MUST cheap gas to Ukraine !!! They constantly talk about it. I agree completely! I just have a question, but is Ukraine a fraternal country in Russia? Ukraine of Russia, what should it? Ukraine begins to intensively "make friends" with Russia exclusively during all kinds of election campaigns! Then, from propaganda posters of various parties, Ukrainians are told about one story, some victories, roots, language ... But here the Russian language spoken by half of Ukraine did not become the second state language, Sevastopol was rented for a lot of money, in the west they tear down the veterans of St. George the ribbons prevented the Russian consul from laying flowers on May 9, and in general, the Ukrainian authorities declared their final move west towards European integration ... Continue? I think it's better to watch and listen to various Ukrainian media, then it will become clear without question where Ukraine is moving and who is stopping it from doing this! But the one who fraternally SHOULD be in the opinion of the Ukrainian power-holders prevents it, but why it is a sin to conceal not such a small part of the people - Russia of course! Here it is necessary to pay tribute to the Freedom party, these if they hate it at least openly, do not fidget half-heartedly on two chairs.
    Not a fair gas deal ?! Well maybe. So negotiate! Russia is fraternal gas and what else do you want there ... And you are Russia ...
    And then if such legalists answer, and Crimea in general and Sevastopol in particular for which Russia now pays, what shame is transferred to Ukraine legally?
    Yes, long ago there would have been gas at a normal price and there would have been a lot of things if there had been Ukraine in the end. Well, probably all of these disputes, which already cause nausea, would at least stop.
    1. Irazesh
      Irazesh April 5 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      Already wrote about Ukr. I own higher.
      "They will pull the juices to the last. And then - at least a flood."
    2. xan
      xan April 5 2013 15: 19 New
      -1
      operas, where did you disappear before?
      Gaspads from Ukraine cannot understand why brothers have expensive gas for them
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop April 5 2013 22: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Oper
      a lot of things would have happened or hadn’t happened if Ukraine had finally decided.

      Cartoon in the subject:
      1. Makarov
        Makarov April 6 2013 12: 32 New
        0
        class)))))
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 5 2013 12: 37 New
    +4
    Another provocative article by which they began to flood the site and precisely in the relations between Russia and Ukraine. The author writes based on the media, which, as everyone knows, writes what is needed and rarely the truth. He did not sign agreements in Gazprom, rent Sevastopol and, moreover, does not sit in the control center The GTS is therefore to drive what kind of gas and how it moves is tantamount to telling fairy tales. It’s just interesting for him to read how we are fighting with our foreheads trying to stab each other more painfully. Indeed, the media and politicians say not what they think, much less
    1. gladiatorakz
      gladiatorakz April 5 2013 20: 18 New
      -1
      Quote: mhpv
      Another provocative article by which they began to flood the site and precisely in the relations between Russia and Ukraine. The author writes based on the media, which, as everyone knows, writes what is needed and rarely the truth. He did not sign agreements in Gazprom, rent Sevastopol and, moreover, does not sit in the control center The GTS is therefore to drive what kind of gas and how it moves is tantamount to telling fairy tales. It’s just interesting for him to read how we are fighting with our foreheads trying to stab each other more painfully. Indeed, the media and politicians say not what they think, much less

      Krasava !!! 10000%.
  • Irazesh
    Irazesh April 5 2013 12: 43 New
    -2
    There have been no fraternal sentiments in Ukraine for a long time. In Russia, yes so far. In Ukraine, no. Even in the eastern regions.
    1. Skavron
      Skavron April 5 2013 14: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Irazesh
      There have been no fraternal sentiments in Ukraine for a long time. In Russia, yes so far. In Ukraine, no. Even in the eastern regions.

      As a matter of fact, everyone treats Russians well or, in extreme cases, is indifferent. But the negative appears when the Russians begin to recall that part of Ukraine is “their property” and it is time to return this property.
      And of course there is a small flock of banderlogs ... these yes, but very few of them ... very much.
      1. Garrin
        Garrin April 5 2013 22: 44 New
        +1
        Quote: Skavron
        good or in extreme cases it doesn't matter.

        This is your trouble. The brain is already washed with orange. How old are you, young man? Despite all our disagreements, I was always sick and a fan of Ukraine, and I did a lot for it. But it offends me that you are trying to get out of the way with all your hatchets. Turn on the brain. We are not enemies to you, but brothers, and together we are destined to get out of that shit where we were put. .And if you don’t agree, then 3,14 blow out to the Geyrosoyuz.
        1. Skavron
          Skavron April 8 2013 22: 44 New
          0
          Reread my comment carefully and do not throw tantrums.
          I am old enough and managed to live with the union.
          My brain is difficult to rinse with something, unlike yours, otherwise you would not have written such emotional comments.
    2. Irazesh
      Irazesh April 5 2013 14: 50 New
      0
      Well, this is where I spoke about the negative. Indeed, they are neutral. That's just the brothers do not care about each other.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron April 5 2013 15: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Irazesh
        are neutral.

        Quote: Skavron
        as a last resort

        That's clearer?
  • Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 5 2013 12: 51 New
    -1
    "no comment"
  • Opera
    Opera April 5 2013 13: 10 New
    -1
    Like it or not, but politicians are chosen by the people. You can certainly talk about various kinds of fraud, etc., but any election to one degree or another is also an indicator of the mood of the people at the moment. Ukraine is currently split in two.
    You, Irazesh, are apparently not very familiar with the realities if you write about the absence of fraternal sentiments in Ukraine. In particular, the population of the east and south, and many more where it’s set up not only fraternally, but generally does not separate itself from the Russian people. Unfortunately, this allows some forces (achieving completely different goals) to speculate on the Russian topic by receiving political dividends.
    As for the gas issue, there is not much time left, since the problem with such a development of events will disappear by itself. North and South flows, the possibility of expanding the Belarusian component of the gas transportation system, which will not require large expenses since it belongs to Gazprom ... There is practically no time for further bargaining, and for making final decisions in which direction Ukraine will have to decide.
    1. Irazesh
      Irazesh April 5 2013 13: 18 New
      +1
      Hm. Sumy. Okay, northeast. I am well acquainted with the realities. About Crimea and Odessa, yes, I forgot. I'm talking about those who are close.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 5 2013 13: 17 New
    0
    Quote: Irazesh
    There have been no fraternal sentiments in Ukraine for a long time. In Russia, yes so far. In Ukraine, no. Even in the eastern regions.

    Because in eastern Ukraine many large enterprises went bankrupt and destroyed, people lost their jobs and not everyone can trade or do business, but Russia is to blame for the gas, it’s expensive. People understand that a lot depends on gas and they believe that Russia is evil.
    1. Irazesh
      Irazesh April 5 2013 13: 32 New
      +3
      Well, for example, in Sumy there were a pumping, machine-building, chemical plant, and an electric plant. microscopes, the largest in the union refinery, shoe factory, etc., etc. And Russia destroyed all this, yeah.
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 5 2013 13: 41 New
        +2
        well something like that smile In secret, the Hydromashservice company was a shareholder of the Sumy Pumping Plant and he regularly shipped pumps to Russia now probably Yanuko-Vich or his son owns tongue
        1. Irazesh
          Irazesh April 5 2013 13: 52 New
          0
          I don’t know about Profesor, but the Russian companies bought the pumping and machine building to them Frunze in the mid 2000s, that's why they are still alive
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv April 5 2013 14: 00 New
            0
            I’m telling you a shareholder of JSC Hydromashservice, the largest manufacturer and supplier of pumping equipment in Russia and abroad. I know these pumps very well and worked.
      2. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 5 2013 13: 43 New
        0
        Russia also helped to destroy the mines ?!
        1. Irazesh
          Irazesh April 5 2013 13: 54 New
          0
          There was sarcasm in my phrase, if that.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 5 2013 13: 19 New
    +2
    Gazprom defeated with its "schemes." "National treasure" in the service of the oligarchs. If Ukraine is cheaper to buy gas in Europe, then Gazprom supplies it there too cheaply, this is at a time when not all regions of Russia have gas. Regarding Sevastopol - again - what kind of agreements are there and on what conditions did they conclude? Ukraine then tried to squeeze the lighthouses, now it doesn’t let the ships go. In the contract, such moments were not discussed? Fuck then such a contract. In Kiev, they still can’t play enough of independence, but it can come sideways — Russia will leave Sevastopol — others will come, only Ukraine is unlikely to be an equal partner for them. And Sevastopol is a city of Russian sailors and in time Russia will return it, only that during this time Ukraine will have to take a sip ...
  • Opera
    Opera April 5 2013 13: 45 New
    +1
    "Buying" gas in Europe "reverse supply" are all the same political games! And also liquefied gas, shale ... You can play these games, but for the time being!
    MCHPV, and the enterprises in eastern Ukraine that Russia destroyed, went bankrupt? And sanatoriums in the Crimea, too, Russia closed up?
    And also in Simferopol I broke all the bulbs on the pillars, in the evening you turn into a lane you can break your legs or turn your neck! And in the park where the river flows, Russia took off half of the fences and handed over the metal.
    So here it is, what a Russia! Evil in general!
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 5 2013 13: 56 New
      +1
      Well, you didn’t notice sarcasm, tell me every year I go to Lysychansk and see how the city is degrading every year. Just yesterday, in comments to Petr_Sevra, I posted links to videos of the destroyed Donsoda, stopped by two glass factories. I don’t even know what in Lysychansk, besides shops and gandelykov, a wave works like a sea
  • Irazesh
    Irazesh April 5 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    And shale gas like you have to produce there?
  • Corneli
    Corneli April 5 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    The title of the article and what is written in it somehow do not combine with one another. According to the article itself (as well as some forum users), there are a couple of comments / questions:
    1. Why does Ukraine “steal” gas if Germany and Hungary resell gas to it? wassat Where is the article about Germany - "Germany is stealing gas!"
    2. Why Germany, which resells Russian gas to Ukraine, is good and makes concessions to it, they lower prices (according to European court decisions), and finally they don’t say bad words, but for gas bought from Germany, they’re ready to tear out a throat of “fraternal” Ukraine ?
    3. Why finally Ukraine profitable!!! to buy Russian gas in Germany and Hungary? We have a "brotherly" and super-profitable price, and if you believe some members of the forum, our price is lower than in Russia wassat And finally we are parasites, they still feed us, sing and give gas to the ball. and we, byaki even show off, do not understand our happiness ......
    In short, I look, some people are uniquely brainwashed ... such fantasies began to be written !!!! I probably would not have been able to come up with this)))
    1. xan
      xan April 5 2013 15: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Corneli
      Why finally Ukraine is more profitable !!! to buy Russian gas in Germany and Hungary?

      Calm down and relax. If profitable - buy. Miller blurted out something - you are shaking the whole country. Do not pay attention, he has such a job.
      Now the ball is on the side of Gazprom
      I will tell the brakes when to be afraid. Not time yet
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz April 6 2013 19: 26 New
        0
        Quote: xan
        I will tell the brakes when to be afraid.

        You don’t drag your circle of communication to the site. And it’s hard with you. laughing
  • gych
    gych April 5 2013 14: 59 New
    +2
    Gazprom is to blame! Inappropriately from the Ukrainians suckers do!
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 April 5 2013 15: 39 New
    +3
    yes, we steal, we’ll borscht soup, we’ll bite with bacon and go steal gas soldier
    1. Mefodiy
      Mefodiy April 5 2013 18: 02 New
      0
      Quote: Sashko07
      yes, we steal, we’ll borscht soup, we’ll bite with bacon and go steal gas soldier

      You are less tilki, I will at once become beat the trumpet ..... fellow
  • OLDTODD
    OLDTODD April 5 2013 15: 44 New
    0
    I read all the above opinions! Brothers clowning full !!! There is a proverb: "She does not want, but I do not need ....". In Ukraine, the state as such, in principle, does not exist, this republic consists of two parts that were pulled "by the ears" (or even for that) after the Second World War. I think that she does not have a holistic future.
    And gas is like that, Gazprom is "fooling around", and the country's leadership is pushing for water as market relations. We would part humanly, if we cannot humanly together. And then only the forelocks roar, but "pipiskami" measured !!!
    That's just the Crimea is a pity, and even Odessa. Have you been to Privoz? Oh, what color is there ..... and the park named after Shevchenko in the summer, with a summer cinema, I was watching the films “up to 16” as a kid over the fence. Here I still remember dumplings and always with cherries !!!!! hi
    1. Corneli
      Corneli April 5 2013 18: 35 New
      -2
      The question is backfill: do you have countries such as Belarus and Kazakhstan? Citizens Russians are not shy, we write)))
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 5 2013 15: 46 New
    +3
    Now guess with three attempts - what a nationality!
  • Forest
    Forest April 5 2013 15: 50 New
    +4
    I hate the Mueller. I have relatives in Ukraine (my maternal grandfather’s brother), my colleagues from Ukraine work with me, and here the Mueller and his gang are plotting all sorts of machinations for the Slav brothers.
  • Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 5 2013 19: 57 New
    0
    One more pipe needs to be built - for those who steal, a flexible hose and fitting - to be inserted in one place and the valve to full so that there is no "shortage". laughing
  • sanyabasik
    sanyabasik April 5 2013 20: 40 New
    0
    I didn’t read or evaluate the article

    What do you think, steals?
  • Gecko
    Gecko April 5 2013 20: 40 New
    +4
    Yes, no one argues, it is necessary to sell Ukraine at prices like everyone else in Europe, no more no less. But $ 50 is already certain they will never be, sorry, you yourself are to blame. But even at a price like that of the whole of Europe, the vast majority of your plants are no longer competitive.
    They flourished at a time when the fuel for them was greatly underestimated, namely $ 50 from 1991 to 2006, and this was even $ 8 cheaper than the population of Russia paid for gas in that period. Here are some of your favorites, but you were still not happy. In general, say thank you to your president, Yushchenko, for the “rotten bazaar” and its followers for current prices. Not Our President Putin V.V. to blame for this, and your ingratitude. And you still forgot to say thanks for the huge subsidies from Russia to YOUR independence.
    Now you are offered gas for $ 160, for such a price you have to pay something. Everything in the world costs money, no, well, that's nice, it's your choice.
  • Egoza
    Egoza April 5 2013 20: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: Akim
    Do you think that such a high gas price for Ukraine is not politics?

    And all claims to beloved Julia!
    xxxxx
    Azerbaijan is ready to resume oil supplies to Ukraine.
    Touching upon the supply of Azerbaijani gas to Ukraine, Aliyev said that today Azerbaijan is considering Kiev’s proposals for swap supplies. Stavitsky made a proposal on swap deliveries through Russia during a meeting with Aliyev.
    http://polemika.com.ua/news-114582.html#title
    xxxxx
    Infa also flashed that they were going to arrange checks of products coming from the Russian Federation to Ukraine.
    xxxxx
    All the "top" pursue their goals, and do not think about the country and people at all.
  • crambol
    crambol April 5 2013 21: 49 New
    +1
    Quote: OLDTODD
    Ukraine has no state as such, in principle, this republic consists of two parts, which were pulled "by the ears" (or even for that) after the Second World War. I think that she does not have a holistic future.


    Absolutely right! And all because Ukrainians never had their own statehood, one “walk-field”!
  • Alexander D.
    Alexander D. April 5 2013 21: 57 New
    -2
    This I understand - the attitude of Russians towards the fraternal people. After the articles of such bribe-tellers, one gets the impression that if not for the damned Ukraine with its population, then in Russia the standard of living would be higher than in Germany and the UK.
    Keep it up, SLAVE!
    1. Garrin
      Garrin April 5 2013 22: 08 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander D.
      Keep it up, SLAVE!

      So you keep it up. Sala Heroam! Heroam sala!
    2. Denis
      Denis April 5 2013 23: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander D.
      that if not for the damned Ukraine with its population, then in Russia the standard of living would be higher than in Germany and the UK
      Who is it who expressed such a sick imagination?
      If in the dispute about gas, then it’s like after a fire to search for someone who logged a magazine from a mailbox. About Crimea and part of the Black Sea Fleet, first with foam at the mouth, and then the requested ... losses are noticeable, but not global, so that the country impoverished
      So do not la-la!
      But the nonsense of the collapse of the USSR, that $ 1 would cost 10 coupons from the prezik I heard how he swore and swore. And that’s almost
      standard of living in Germany and the UK.

      Was it worth it for at least an hour?
      1. Beck
        Beck April 6 2013 10: 34 New
        +1
        And what about the Crimea to remember.

        He was, in history, Scythian, then along Greek coastal cities, then as part of Byzantium, then in the Golden Horde, then the Crimean Khanate and the Ottoman Empire, then in the Russian Empire, then in the USSR.

        February 19, 1954 the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR publishes an official document - Decree "On the transfer of the Crimean region from the RSFSR to the Ukrainian SSR." All. Passed so passed. This is like a document by which Koenigsberg was transferred by Germany to the USSR, and now Russia owns it.

        Actually, I admit the return of Crimea to Russia, but after Russia transfers the Kaliningrad region, that is, Konigsberg, Germany.

        Already I hear the screams of Urashniki But if you set it to zero, then set it to zero. And to reset one and not to reset the other, everything will freeze.
        1. Gecko
          Gecko April 6 2013 11: 24 New
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          Kaliningrad is generally a reparation, like the Kuril Islands.

          A big agreement was signed with the condition that Ukraine will have an out-of-bloc status and will not pursue an aggressive policy towards Russia.
          We already had every right to break the “Big Agreement” already after the supply of military equipment by Ukraine to our enemy of Georgia at that time, not to mention Ukraine’s attempt to break into NATO. Everything is spelled out in the Big Agreement, where the territorial integrity of Ukraine is fixed. I’m generally surprised by Ukraine’s attempts not to comply with the agreements signed by Ukraine itself, both under the Big Agreement and on gas supplies.
          What is written with a pen cannot be cut down with an ax.
          1. Beck
            Beck April 6 2013 13: 28 New
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            Quote: gecko
            Kaliningrad is generally a reparation, like the Kuril Islands.


            In fact, the concept of territory reparation is not included. Reparations are paid in money, material assets, equipment of factories, products of these factories, etc.

            For territorial concessions, other agreements are signed, and there is no difference between the agreements on the transfer of Keningsberg and Crimea. In the international legal field they are equal.

            Russia can break the Big Treaty and does not grieve over the territorial integrity of Ukraine from any other reasons. But Russia cannot unilaterally break the decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Council. Just like Germany, in the unilateral order, cannot but recognize the agreement on the alienation of Prussia in favor of Poland and the USSR.

            If Ukraine supplied weapons, then until 08.08. And if after that it has no legal consequences.
            What is Georgia’s adversary for Russia? Under international law, you are not warring parties. Neither Russia nor Georgia declared war on each other. So that you are not at war with each other. And this clause does not fall under the Big Treaty.
            1. Gecko
              Gecko April 6 2013 14: 39 New
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              By the decision of the Potsdam Conference, the northern part of the German province of East Prussia, together with its capital Königsberg, was temporarily transferred to the USSR. Later, when signing the border treaties, the Kaliningrad region was fully recognized as the possession of the Soviet Union.

              In fact, the murder of Russian peacekeepers, we could easily declare war on Georgia, why this was not done, this is a different story.
  • Mhpv
    Mhpv April 5 2013 22: 36 New
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    Quote: mhpv
    Was Vasya climbing porn sites again?

    Was Vasya the minus signs over?
    When there are no arguments, are there minuses? Only here I am not for the pros and cons tongue
  • PAC3
    PAC3 April 5 2013 23: 05 New
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    Quote: Alexander D.
    After the articles of such bribe-tellers, one gets the impression that if not for the damned Ukraine with its population, then in Russia the standard of living would be higher than in Germany and the UK.
    Keep it up, SLAVE!

    That is normal, then the Russians are to blame for everything “Georgians-thieves-in-law”, then “parasites - byalorus”, then “traitors - shit”. The first channel - steers)))))
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 5 2013 23: 53 New
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      Well Belarusians only you called parasites. A calm, hardworking and welcoming nation, although probably those that are closer to Poland muddied the country. The first CHANNEL - steers - you mean 1 + 1, our First one does not even remember about you not rating programs about Ukraine, it makes no sense to stir you up
  • Sashko07
    Sashko07 April 5 2013 23: 38 New
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    Quote: PAC3
    The first CHANNEL - steers)))))

    The first channel they always steered in this regard, how much dirt no channel probably poured towards Ukraine. Recall the 92nd year, when Russia, in the guise of the collapse of the Union, wanted to take Crimea, the first channel there arranged such propaganda, how much the address was told in us.

    True, the National Guard of Ukraine was then introduced into Crimea, they drove around Sevastopol in a convoy, after which civilians approached the guard officers and asked them not to kill the children, how much the propaganda of the Russian channels washed their brains, what everyone thought if the National Guard came Russian will be cut.

    And now the understanding of the Russians about Ukraine has not gone far from this, we either want to use gas ... or we want the whole country to go to America, to the west to beat up bad Russians. By God, it seems like people are not stupid, but you look at the comments of people from Russia and you think they drank their brains altogether or they really don’t see the country that fed them for the whole century.
    1. Denis
      Denis April 5 2013 23: 56 New
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      Quote: Sashko07
      so they don’t see the country that fed them all the century
      Even if so, which is very controversial, then for the continued independence and territorial integrity is quite normal
      Or will you save that yourself, all yourself?
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv April 6 2013 00: 15 New
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        Denis is another born in an independent
        I already wrote about the first one, about the national guard and the attempts to capture Crimea, the nonsense of a young Natsik, but what about you drank yourself: look at the beginning of the morning not men go with beer, but women and gandeliki from Rogani stand even in half-empty villages. And why did you feed Russia if for example in the Donbass potatoes like peas are growing
        1. Denis
          Denis April 6 2013 01: 06 New
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          Quote: mhpv
          And why did you feed Russia if for example in the Donbass potatoes like peas are growing
          And what does Donbas have to do with, about coal it’s clear, but what does the potato have to do with it?
          If you think that there is nothing besides potatoes, then you were in vain skipping economic geography. Although the subject is not happy, but for general development it’s necessary
          And to understand better, if you refuse to write in Russian, use the Google translator
          The local flavor is far and not clear to everyone
          the gandaliks from Rogan stand
          ??
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv April 6 2013 08: 29 New
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            Denis does not know how you do, but I studied well and you will learn how to look for logic. The potato is not necessary here, it just indicates that the land in Eastern Ukraine is far from agricultural, if you did not study geography well then visit this region.
            And you need to use Google, since I answered for Ukrainians
            1. Denis
              Denis April 6 2013 13: 26 New
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              Quote: mhpv
              Denis is another born in an independent

              you need to use Google, since I answered for Ukrainians

              And me too? I agree only on the same terms as Depardieu
              However, あ な た 愚 か な ナ シ ョ ナ リ ス ト or 売 春 婦 の 息 子, well, this is for the Japanese
    2. wax
      wax April 6 2013 01: 19 New
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      Ukraine denounced (together with Russia and Belarus) the 1922 union treaty. So look at whether Crimea was part of Ukraine in 1922. As for the intra-union decisions on changing borders, they are precisely intra-union and in no way can be automatically transferred to the borders of independent states after the denunciation of a treaty of agreement. The only legal basis for leaving Crimea as part of Ukraine is the so-called big treaty between Russia and Ukraine, ratified by the Supreme Council of the RSFSR (plus you can take into account the results of the Crimean referendum that Ukraine does not comply with). So, this agreement can be denounced, just as the 1922 agreement was denounced.
      [quote] God's Grace
      Мы
      CATHERINE II
      The Empress and the Self-Protector All-Russian,
      and other, and other, and other.

      In the past Ottoman war with Porta, when the forces and victories of our weapons gave us every right to leave our Crimea in favor of our former, We, with this and other extensive conquests, sacrificed then the renewal of good agreement and friendship with the Ottoman Porta, transforming the peoples to that end Tatars to the region are free and independent, in order to permanently remove cases and methods of strife and coldness, which often occurred between Russia and Porta in the former Tatars.

      However, we did not reach, within that part of the Empire, our silence and security, which should have been the fruits of this decree. The Tatars, bowing to other people's suggestions, immediately began to act contrary to their own good, granted from us.
      [quote] ... as well as believing that by means of permanently alienating the unpleasant reasons that outrage the eternal peace between the Empires of the All-Russian and Ottoman prisoners, whom we sincerely wish to forever reduce, we decided to take our Crimean peninsula in support and satisfaction of our losses , Taman Island and the entire Kuban side. [/ quote]
  • PAC3
    PAC3 April 6 2013 00: 03 New
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    Quote: mhpv
    Well, Belarusians you called freeloaders only


    BHYYY ..
    http://www.avanturist.org/forum/topic/969
    eat do not slap)))))))))))))))))))))))
  • PAC3
    PAC3 April 6 2013 00: 09 New
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    Quote: Sashko07

    True, the National Guard of Ukraine was then introduced into Crimea, they drove around Sevastopol in a convoy, after which civilians approached the guard officers and asked them not to kill the children, how much the propaganda of the Russian channels washed their brains, what everyone thought if the National Guard came Russian will be cut.

    .

    20th Regiment of NSU - 1994.
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv April 6 2013 00: 26 New
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      You throw some crazy links so eat from org sites. yourself and that to me your 20 regiment of Nigugu when the army goes against its people is not the army Che-your nigug of the Crimean Tatars did not pacify