Chinese Mausers

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Chinese Mausers
A replica of the Mauser K96 pistol used during the Autumn Uprising of August 1, 1927. Chinese People's Liberation Army Museum, Beijing



"Every communist must learn the truth that the rifle gives birth to power. Our principle is that the party commands the rifle; it is absolutely unacceptable for the rifle to command the party."
Quote from the 1966 collection "Quotes from Chairman Mao Zedong"

stories about weapons. In his statement about the rifle that gives birth to power, Chairman Mao did not specify its brand, since the Chinese People's Army produced a great many rifles of various systems. However, he would not have sinned much against the truth if he had said that this rifle was the German Mauser, since China was one of the main buyers of this German rifle. And it also bought from Germany not only rifles, but also pistols of the same company, and in huge quantities. It is estimated that out of the total number of Mauser K96s produced, almost a third were sold to China! So those who believe that the Mauser pistol of this popular model was not in service anywhere are wrong. It was in service in China. First of all, these pistols entered service with the National Revolutionary Army (NRA) of China, created in 1925 during the civil wars in China with the participation of Soviet military advisers. Chiang Kai-shek became the commander-in-chief of the NRA. The People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) also originated from the NRA, appearing on August 1, 1927, when a split occurred in the ranks of the NRA, and part of its troops supported the Communist Party of China. Now the Mausers found themselves on opposite sides of the barricades, but were used extremely intensively in both armies. Moreover, the fact is known of the purchase by the Soviet government of 30 thousand Mausers "Bolo" for the needs of the NKVD. But ... such a significant number of pistols could have been used to arm all the Chekists, which, however, was not observed at all. But the Mauser "Bolo" is exhibited in the Museum of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, located in Beijing. How did it get there if it was not supplied to China? That is, it is quite possible that at least some of these Mausers were sent to the Chinese comrades as military aid. Moreover, everyone knew about the love of the Chinese for Mausers.




During the Battle of Longgang, the Red Army captured a Mauser pistol and pocket watch from Zhang Huizang, commander of the 18th Division of the Kuomintang National Army. Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution

And it's not enough that the Chinese imported Mausers. No, they set up their own production and in the 20-30s of the last century, K96s were produced in huge batches. It is clear that every nation and every weapon has always had and will have its own charisma. The Mauser had it, too, and, apparently, the Chinese charisma in this case coincided with the German one. It is not for nothing, as already noted, that a third of all Mausers produced by Germany (and Spain) went to China!

By the way, having established the production of this pistol in their country, the Chinese tried to copy its appearance very accurately, although the internal content was quite poor. Well, it all started with the fact that in 1922, the Hanyan Arsenal was the first to start producing copies of the Mauser K96, which were distinguished by their high quality. Copies of pre-war models were produced here, as well as that very Mauser "bolo", with a barrel length of 99 mm. So that very "bolo" from the museum may well be a "domestic" model, made from any pistol of this type, both Soviet and directly delivered from Germany.


Chinese Mauser "Bolo" M1922. Notable for its post-Versailles redesigned Luger barrel. Typical features include a small ring hammer, standard rear sight marked 50-1000m, shallow milled panels in the frame, later firing pin catch, second pattern safety, long extractor and "Waffenfabrik Mauser" markings. Typical rusty blued finish on frame and barrel, extractor, rear sight and trigger. Internals and hammer are case hardened. Walnut grips with 31 grooves. Royal Armouries, Leeds

Having “gotten the hang of it”, the Arsenal in Hanyang began to produce copies of the “Schnellfeuer” in 1933 – a Mauser with the ability to fire in automatic mode. Moreover, the number of Mausers produced by this enterprise is impressive – it is estimated at 250 units.


Chinese copy of the Mauser M712 (C96) submachine gun. Frame and barrel are approximately standard size, with a detachable 10-round magazine. Small hammer without outer ring, wedge-shaped selector switch marked "N" and "R" for "Normalfeuer" and "Reihenfeuer" (automatic fire), stepped barrel profile, shallow milled panels in the frame, rear sight with 50-1000 (meter) graduations, later firing pin lock, "universal" type safety, later short extractor. An attempt to achieve an overall rusty-blue color was unsuccessful, although in appearance this pistol looks rather darker. Wooden grip panels with 12 grooves. Lanyard ring. The logo on the Chinese model looks quite funny: "WAUSER". Barrel length: 188 mm. Overall length: 300 mm. Weight: 1,29 kg. Caliber: 7,63 mm. Chinese People's Liberation Army Museum, Beijing


Mauser K96 Model 712 Schnellfeuer. Chinese copy - circa 1938. Hanyang Arsenal. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


"Local mark" on a Mauser K96 "Model 712 Schnellfeuer" pistol. Chinese copy - circa 1938. Hanyang Arsenal. Royal Arsenal, Leeds


Mauser K96 Model 712 Schnellfeuer. Left side view. Chinese production. Royal Armouries, Leeds


The same pistol. Right view. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

The second manufacturer of Mausers for the Kuomintang army was the Taku Naval Arsenal, which began their production in 1925 and produced 1928 pistols by 1000, quite close to the original. But... why try when you can do without trying?! And in 1928, the Taku Arsenal organized the production of pistols of a simplified design, and it continued until 1933. It should be noted that this arsenal produced not only pistols, but also carbines based on them. And in total, the Taku Arsenal produced 3500 "Mauser types of weapons".


Naval Arsenal Taku Carbine. Royal Arsenal, Leeds

Shanxi Arsenal became the third Chinese manufacturer of Mausers, which it launched in 1928, and for the .45 ACP cartridge. Again, we note that the choice of such ammunition for the Mauser was not accidental. The fact is that in 1922, the Chinese purchased Thompson submachine guns in the United States, model 1921, precisely for the .45 ACP cartridge. And they thought about standardizing this ammunition and making it the main one for the Chinese army, so that they could receive such cartridges from the United States in unlimited quantities.


Another M712. Chinese People's Liberation Army Museum, Beijing

This pistol was designated "Type 17", but the name "Shanxi-45, or "dragon in a box", became more popular. Externally, it differs from the original by a protruding magazine, which was due to the larger diameter of the cartridge, and it was loaded not with one, but with two clips of 5 cartridges in turn. In total, about 8500 pistols of this modification were produced.


Mauser Astra M 902 with automatic magazine counter! Royal Armouries, Leeds

It is interesting that already at the end of the 45th century another Chinese company – Norinco – began to produce counterfeit Shanxi-1929s with the Shanxi Arsenal stamps, and even indicating the year of production as XNUMX. But this was already a weapon for collectors.

There is a legend about why the Mauser became so popular in China. According to it, the Mauser owes it to the English policeman Richard Moore, who was attacked by seven robbers in 1929... But the policeman had a Mauser with him and, having fired 27 bullets, killed five of the attackers and arrested two, getting away with a light wound to the shoulder. Undoubtedly, such an episode took place. But Mausers gained popularity in China long before 1929...


P.S. Although the Fedorov assault rifle is not related to this topic, it is also in the Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution. So how did it get there?
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  1. +3
    3 May 2025 04: 59
    The Chinese Xerox machine was still in operation at a time when the word "Xerox" did not even exist. lol
    1. -1
      3 May 2025 10: 28
      Quote: Nagan
      The Chinese Xerox machine was still in operation at a time when the word "Xerox" did not even exist. lol

      The Nagants of the Russian army were produced at state factories of the Russian Empire, and Maxims, normal practice
      1. +8
        3 May 2025 11: 57
        Nagants and Maxims were produced under license in the Russian Empire!
        1. 0
          3 May 2025 13: 10
          Quote: John22
          Nagants and Maxims were produced under license in the Russian Empire!

          without a license for the Chinese is normal practice)
  2. -5
    3 May 2025 05: 22
    StG-44。
    1. -7
      3 May 2025 06: 16
      Quote: JiaranDiana
      StG-44。

      或許。但事實是。 20 世紀 20 6.5 7.62 毫米口徑的步槍。更好的是舊款 1930mm。它們一直被存放在倉庫中,直到 1940-XNUMX的的突擊部隊。所以你們博物館的展覽確實有著令人驚嘆的歷史!
      1. +1
        4 May 2025 02: 48
        Yes
        Comment text is too short
  3. +2
    3 May 2025 08: 02
    Nowadays the word "Chinese" means either counterfeit or extremely low quality goods.
    1. 0
      3 May 2025 08: 35
      What does the word "Spanish" mean today?
      1. +5
        3 May 2025 08: 41
        Resort.
        Comment text is too short
      2. -2
        4 May 2025 20: 37
        What does the word "Spanish" mean today?

        shame
        1. +1
          4 May 2025 21: 05
          Shame about the Spanish pistols that the French bought during WWI and the Germans bought during WWII?
    2. -2
      3 May 2025 09: 31
      I have Xiaomi 15 - the only small advanced flagship with call recording without warning out of the box on the market. drinks
      1. 0
        4 May 2025 19: 25
        Realme does the same thing
        1. 0
          4 May 2025 20: 05
          This is a huge shovel, not a smartphone, you need a wheeled cart (sled in winter) to carry it. And beat the drum - because recording is not implemented everywhere, as luck would have it. Xiaomi 15 with .ru firmware from Kazakhstan is the top, definitely. One silicon battery is worth something.
    3. -5
      3 May 2025 10: 41
      It doesn't matter, both Russians and Ukrainians should hold their noses for using fake Chinese drones. wink
      1. -3
        3 May 2025 15: 34
        Or maybe you should clamp something else and smash your nose into your forehead?
    4. +15
      3 May 2025 12: 28
      An outdated idea.
      The Chinese have caught up with the South Koreans in terms of quality and are approaching the Japanese.
      It's time to get used to it: China will be the world's number one economic power since 2025.
      For better or worse, the first change of leadership in a hundred years has occurred.
      1. -8
        3 May 2025 12: 45
        Don't be fooled. They haven't come close to anyone. And they will never be number 1 in the world.
        1. -9
          3 May 2025 14: 34
          This is why Eastern European allies are leaving the Soviet Union one by one. If the Russians have always been like this, I'm afraid your enemies will like it. laughing
        2. -2
          3 May 2025 14: 37
          Keep up the good work my friend for the sake of Russia. good
          1. +1
            3 May 2025 16: 27
            What do you have against Russia?
          2. -2
            3 May 2025 23: 52
            老人总是既脾气不好,又不太聪明。别放在心上。中国大不总是这样,将来也不会总是这样。
        3. -5
          3 May 2025 14: 43
          Americans will often be afraid that their competitors will overtake them, and you will just drink vodka and say: "and they will never be number one in the world."
          1. -2
            3 May 2025 23: 59
            There is such a thing, thank you for your concern.
          2. -3
            4 May 2025 00: 03
            Btw, short and clear. No comments.
        4. -1
          3 May 2025 14: 44
          And then the Soviet Union just collapsed.
          1. -1
            3 May 2025 15: 35
            Crawl back to where you came from, editors, who are you letting in here? Notorious Russophobes
            1. +3
              3 May 2025 17: 31
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              Crawl back to where you came from, editors, who are you letting in here? Notorious Russophobes

              And what's wrong with that, Andrey? Aren't you interested in what they think of us in the big world, where there is multipolarity - this is a fact. We will have to prove with all our behavior, both economics and politics, that Russophobia as a phenomenon is outdated. And if we don't prove it... it will be worse for us!
              1. 0
                3 May 2025 18: 08
                There is a war going on and all sorts of scum will be here. speak? It's clear what and how to do, and these curs are for hats. It's a pity there's no barrel... I would have knocked them down
                1. +2
                  3 May 2025 18: 09
                  Quote: Andrey VOV
                  There's a war going on and all sorts of bastards are going to talk here? What and how to do is clear, and these curs are for hats. It's a pity there's no gun... I would have knocked them down

                  There is nothing easier than to kill. But to kill does not mean to win. (Confucius)
                  1. -1
                    3 May 2025 20: 32
                    Nonsense. If you kill an enemy, he won't be able to harm you anymore. That means you won )))
                    1. +2
                      3 May 2025 20: 38
                      Quote: Doc1272
                      So he won

                      The enemy will have children, relatives, friends... They may want revenge. The name of the murdered may even become a symbol. Bandera has long been dead, but his work lives on and his name is used. So a murdered enemy is not always a victory.
                      1. -1
                        3 May 2025 23: 34
                        Nonsense. These are just new enemies that need to be killed. And the symbols remain just symbols.
                      2. +2
                        4 May 2025 07: 28
                        Quote: Doc1272
                        And the symbols remain just symbols.

                        You say this out of ignorance or stubbornness. And symbols rule the world. Why else would the swastika be banned from being depicted here, right? Stalin died too - but write here that he... and you will see how many minuses you will get. The same with other symbolic people. Killing such people is more expensive. A dead person is valued even more than one who died in his own bed.
                      3. +2
                        4 May 2025 19: 39
                        Something has been forgotten. After all, the full saying sounds like "the world is ruled by symbols and meanings." It is often attributed to various thinkers and philosophers, but there is no exact author who would formulate it in this form. Nevertheless, similar ideas can be found in the works of many philosophers, sociologists and cultural scientists.
                        Friedrich Nietzsche - his works deal with the significance of symbols and the interpretation of meanings in culture and society.
                        Claude Levi-Strauss was an anthropologist who studied how symbols and sign systems shape human perception and social structures.
                        Michel Foucault - his works on power and knowledge also highlight how symbols and meanings influence social relations and power structures.
                        In general, this expression reflects the ideas that meanings expressed in symbols play a key role in shaping human experience and society. And they fight meanings, starting with their expression in the form of symbols.
                      4. +1
                        4 May 2025 19: 41
                        The concept meanings rule society implies that the meanings and interpretations that people attach to various phenomena, concepts and symbols have a significant impact on social structures, behavior and interactions in society. Here are some aspects that can be highlighted:
                        Meanings associated with certain events, ideas, or symbols can shape public opinion and influence how people perceive reality. For example, media can create certain meanings about events that influence public perception.
                        The meanings that society attaches to traditions, rituals, and cultural practices shape social norms and values. These, in turn, influence people's behavior and interactions with each other.
                        Meanings play an important role in the formation of group identity. People unite around common meanings and symbols, which contributes to the creation of communities and social groups.
                        In a political context, meanings can be used to manipulate public opinion and consolidate power. Political leaders and parties create and disseminate certain meanings to mobilize support or justify actions.
                        In business, the meanings associated with brands and products can influence consumer behavior. People make purchasing decisions based on the meanings they attach to certain products.
                        That is, not only material factors, but also the interpretations and meanings that people create and share play a key role in the organization and functioning of society.
                  2. +1
                    3 May 2025 20: 32
                    Just don't quote me. You weren't in the war, you wouldn't understand.
                    1. +2
                      3 May 2025 20: 41
                      Quote: Andrey VOV
                      Just don't quote me. You weren't in the war, you wouldn't understand.

                      But I know how to manage people and I know that insulting someone who does not share your views will not achieve anything. Thinking like that is a sad self-deception. We have already "sagged" on this more than once, and have not drawn any conclusions.
              2. 0
                3 May 2025 20: 31
                I don't see a reasoned opinion. I only see stupid insults.
                1. 0
                  4 May 2025 02: 25
                  Stupid insult. It's so cute. In my country, many people blindly support Russia. And are proud of the glorious history of the Soviet Union. I would be happier if hatred for China grew. It will free my compatriots from illusions.
                  1. +2
                    4 May 2025 07: 32
                    Quote: JiaranDiana
                    I would be happier if hatred towards China grew.

                    I think that over time the level of pragmatism will grow both for you and for us, and all these “I love you-I don’t love you” will remain for dates in a dark park.
                  2. 0
                    7 May 2025 10: 15
                    You won't get it)) Russians in their majority are not aggressive people. And the overwhelming majority of people in Russia do not have any hatred towards China and its inhabitants. Trust Russophobic propaganda less. If you don't touch Russia, then it won't touch anyone.
                2. 0
                  4 May 2025 02: 29
                  For example, when the Russian-Ukrainian war broke out, it was stupid to buy up the online stores opened by the Russian embassy and buy up all the pickles and candies!
              3. +1
                4 May 2025 00: 01
                Let's force the Chinese to buy our cheaper and higher quality drones, and we won't have to hold our noses!!! wink
                1. 0
                  4 May 2025 02: 35
                  It's not easy to beat DJI, but who knows what will happen next
                  1. +1
                    4 May 2025 07: 29
                    Quote: JiaranDiana
                    But who knows what will happen next?

                    Sit still and the corpse of your enemy will float before you on the river. (Confucius)
              4. -2
                10 May 2025 20: 03
                Quote: kalibr
                Quote: Andrey VOV
                Crawl back to where you came from, editors, who are you letting in here? Notorious Russophobes

                And what's wrong with that, Andrey? Aren't you interested in what they think of us in the big world, where there is multipolarity - this is a fact. We will have to prove with all our behavior, both economics and politics, that Russophobia as a phenomenon is outdated. And if we don't prove it... it will be worse for us!

                The topic of the Shanghai-style grip of this pepelats is not disclosed. Although the photos are better than the video by Popenker! There is no pepelats from the Mauser of the Second Indochina period for the Chinese special forces...
    5. +1
      3 May 2025 16: 35
      It is truly a pity that you were so unlucky with your choice of purchases. The production deployed in the territory of special production zones in China actually forms and determines the level of global mass production.
      There is an interesting process of authorization of products in production. The brand cannot control the quantity of goods produced on the flow. For control, it issues the manufacturer a strictly accountable number of certificates (unique pieces of paper with numbers for the release of the batch). When the manufacturer releases the goods under the received certificates, the line does not stop, but continues to process the remaining raw materials (there is always a reserve). Licensed goods go to European stores, and without "papers" on the left into the counterfeit network. This is not a fake, not a copy, but a completely cool product. Only it has its own buyers and sellers.
      1. +1
        4 May 2025 05: 25
        This has led to a very unusual phenomenon. Pirated and original products are produced on a conveyor belt. And pirated products are more durable than original ones, because the original products are planned to be written off.
    6. -2
      3 May 2025 20: 29
      That was the case in the 80s-90s-00s. Now, counterfeits "from the basement" have certainly not gone away, but factory production in China is no worse than European and American goods. And often even better...
      1. +3
        3 May 2025 20: 31
        It depends on what production we are talking about.
        The electronics are more or less normal.
        And the auto parts are complete crap.
        1. 0
          3 May 2025 20: 33
          I also talked about "basement" production )))
          1. +1
            3 May 2025 20: 33
            This is exactly what is supplied to Russia.
            1. 0
              3 May 2025 20: 35
              Probably him too. But in the last 3 years I have only once come across low-quality Chinese products. And even then it was my own fault. I wanted to save money. I got it really cheap, and really cheap is the first sign))))
              1. +5
                3 May 2025 20: 40
                It is worth reading the forums of motorists. About the quality of Chinese cars and counterfeit low-quality spare parts that flooded Russia.
                Try to find, for example, a hub bearing. This is a difficult task, and it is not a fact that you will buy a good one at a high price.
                1. -3
                  10 May 2025 20: 19
                  Actually, this is not a stone thrown at the Chinese manufacturers.
                  Quote: Million
                  It is worth reading the forums of motorists. About the quality of Chinese cars and counterfeit low-quality spare parts that flooded Russia.
                  Try to find, for example, a hub bearing. This is a difficult task, and it is not a fact that you will buy a good one at a high price.

                  1. ALL British fishing brands + Maver, are made in China. Drenan doesn't even have Made in GB! Well, if you want Aiko or Zemex from South Korea, you'll have to pay half! Shimano (both bikes and fishing have long been from China).
                  2. 90% of mobile IT is China. If you don't like "Quantum" and Co., will you throw away your laptop? Because HP, Dell, Fujitsu, Toshiba themselves only make stickers and design.
                  3. What kind of auto parts do Europeans and Americans make in China? The same KTM, Honda, Yamaha?
                  4. I bought SKF for my Honda, it fell apart after 3 months. The Chinese one worked for several years until I sold it. You can forget about all those boxes with and without grasshoppers and learn how to mark bearings by vibration classes.
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    7. +2
      3 May 2025 22: 49
      Quote: Million
      Nowadays the word "Chinese" means either counterfeit or extremely low quality goods.

      In secret - in 2000-2010 (that I know for sure!!) high-quality Chinese goods were transiting through the Russian Federation to Europe. Only they cost 10-12 times more than what was going to us. For example, women's boots came to us for 7-8-12 euros per pair, and boots went to the EU for 170-200-220 euros per pair.

      Our business bought the cheapest, naturally the quality was below the minimum limit
    8. +4
      3 May 2025 22: 51
      Quote: Million
      Nowadays the word "Chinese" means either counterfeit or extremely low quality goods.

      I have not seen in my practice failed Chinese programmable controllers, but I have seen a broken Siemens. In my understanding, Chinese is a product of good quality, only 4 times cheaper than European analogues.
    9. +3
      4 May 2025 09: 16
      It's just that they don't bring the best goods to us....
    10. 0
      12 May 2025 23: 26
      Nowadays the word "Chinese" means either counterfeit or extremely low quality goods.

      Over the last twenty-five years, just as the Chinese have greatly improved the quality of their goods, our people have also begun to buy not the cheapest of what is offered on the market, so it is easy to find quite decent goods.
  4. +7
    3 May 2025 10: 28
    Was the K-96 only in service in China? belay And Spain was smoking on the sidelines? And what about the Astra pistols (K-96 clones) in service with Spanish structures?
    By the way, the popularity of Mausers in China can be illustrated by the fact that even in the second half of the 20th century, the Chinese created Type 96 (with a bayonet!) and Type 75 pistols based on the K-80.
    1. +3
      3 May 2025 11: 05
      What about the Astra pistols (K-96 clones) in service with Spanish structures?
      They were not adopted by the Spanish army.
      In general, with K-96 and soldiers from different countries, it’s like in that joke about the girl: everyone tries, praises, but no one will marry her.
      1. +3
        3 May 2025 16: 58
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        They were not adopted by the Spanish army.

        And did I mention the army? No. I used the word "structures"! During the Spanish Civil War, the Civil Guard (Spanish Gendarmerie) was armed with "Astra-900/902" pistols. Also, "Astra" pistols of the 900th series were supplied to the Wehrmacht (Germany)!
        1. +2
          3 May 2025 17: 06

          And did I talk about the army? No, I used the word "structures"!

          If so, then I have no objections. drinks
          In my untrained eye, during any civil war, everyone shot "on time". Look at the Americans, they even went into attacks with "dark-skinned women"!
      2. +2
        3 May 2025 18: 45
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        In general, with K-96 and soldiers from different countries, it’s like in that joke about the girl: everyone tries, praises, but no one will marry her.
        And they are right to do so. Adopting it for its cool look and size (which is what made the Mauser popular) is a bad idea. Imagine someone adopting the Desert Eagle now. Just one huge grip without a magazine or mechanisms is worth something.
        1. +2
          3 May 2025 18: 54
          Imagine if someone adopted the Desert Eagle now. Just the huge grip without any magazine or mechanisms is worth something.
          What did Boris the Blade say about size? wink
          But to be honest, even the 45 caliber was too "heavy" for me. I shot it more than a year ago from an Italian replica of the "Colt XNUMX".
  5. +1
    4 May 2025 00: 41
    It is famous for its barrel, which was redesigned after the Treaty of Versailles and taken from a Luger pistol.

    I wonder how you can use a Luger barrel when in Mauser it is milled entirely with the frame. The barrel is simply shortened according to the restrictions
  6. 0
    4 May 2025 03: 04
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, hello!
    Please tell me, what is this "Museum of the Chinese People's Liberation Army in Beijing"? Maybe it is the "Military Museum of the Chinese Revolution"?
    1. +1
      4 May 2025 03: 16
      “中国人民革命军事博物馆”“Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution”,One of the most famous museums in China
      1. +1
        4 May 2025 03: 27
        Quote: JiaranDiana
        “中国人民革命军事博物馆”“Military Museum of the Chinese People's Revolution”,One of the most famous museums in China

        That's what I'm talking about. There were several reviews of this wonderful museum on VO.
        https://topwar.ru/166609-aviacionnaja-jekspozicija-voennogo-muzeja-kitajskoj-revoljucii-v-pekine.html

        https://topwar.ru/166773-ballisticheskie-krylatye-i-zenitnye-rakety-v-jekspozicii-voennogo-muzeja-kitajskoj-revoljucii-v-pekine.html

        https://topwar.ru/167123-kollekcija-kitajskoj-bronetehniki-v-voennom-muzee-kitajskoj-revoljucii.html

        https://topwar.ru/166924-trofejnaja-japonskaja-amerikanskaja-i-sovetskaja-bronetankovaja-tehnika-v-jekspozicii-voennogo-muzeja-kitajskoj-revoljucii.html

        https://topwar.ru/167369-zenitnaja-artillerija-v-jekspozicii-voennogo-muzeja-kitajskoj-revoljucii.html

        https://topwar.ru/167510-kitajskie-protivotankovye-orudija-voevavshie-v-kitajsko-japonskoj-i-korejskoj-vojne-v-jekspozicii-voennogo-muzeja-kitajskoj-revoljucii.html
    2. 0
      4 May 2025 03: 20
      PLA only have a “PLA Navy's museum”,maybe is a mistake request
  7. +1
    4 May 2025 16: 24
    [quote]Mauser K96 Model 712 Schnellfeuer. Left side view. Made in China. Royal Armouries, Leeds[/quote]

    Judging by the stamp on the magazine receiver ("made in Germany"), this is a Mauser-made Schnellfire, produced under contract for China.

    [quote]The same pistol. View from the right. Royal Armouries, Leeds[quote]
    With all due respect to the author, this is still an Astra 902.
    1. 0
      4 May 2025 21: 01
      Quote: Gunfighter95
      With all due respect to the author, this is still an Astra 902.

      I can't say anything - I copied the text from the museum's page. From the caption under the photo. You can check... Go to their website.
      1. +1
        5 May 2025 17: 35
        I can't say anything - I copied the text from the museum's page. From the caption under the photo. You can check... Go to their website.


        How can one not recall Kozma Prutkov: "...don't believe your eyes..."
        By the way, I also saw a lot of gems on the signs on the stands at the St. Petersburg Central Military Museum...
        Yes, you can compare it yourself with the photo below, where the Astra 902 has a holster-butt attached.
        Also a view from the left

        Mauser Astra M 902 with automatic magazine counter! Royal Armouries, Leeds


        It's true that this part of the signature simply puzzled me:
        "...with an automatic cartridge counter in the magazine..."
        I even looked at my 902 from all sides, but still couldn’t find this device...
        Probably, Google Translate translated something incorrectly...
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          5 May 2025 17: 44
          Sorry, I didn't have time to edit my typo:
          Same view to the right
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            6 May 2025 09: 52
            Quote: Gunfighter95
            Sorry, I didn't have time to edit my typo:
            Same view to the right

            What is this part? There are numbers from 0 to 20 and a lever. When shooting, the lever moves from 0 to 20. You can feel and see how many rounds are left. Or is it something else? But then what?
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              9 May 2025 21: 55
              What is this part? There are numbers from 0 to 20 and a lever. When shooting, the lever moves from 0 to 20. You can feel and see how many rounds are left. Or is it something else? But then what?


              Fire type translator.
              1 - single
              20 - automatic, that is, you can fire all 20 rounds from the magazine in one burst, if you want, of course.
              When you move the lever with your finger, it is fixed in two extreme positions.

              To be honest, I don’t know of any weapon model that has a mechanical cartridge counter in the magazine.

              Cutoff of 2-3 rounds, yes. But counting the number of rounds? - I don't remember that.
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                10 May 2025 06: 42
                Quote: Gunfighter95
                What is this part? There are numbers from 0 to 20 and a lever. When shooting, the lever moves from 0 to 20. You can feel and see how many rounds are left. Or is it something else? But then what?


                Fire type translator.
                1 - single
                20 - automatic, that is, you can fire all 20 rounds from the magazine in one burst, if you want, of course.
                When you move the lever with your finger, it is fixed in two extreme positions.

                To be honest, I don’t know of any weapon model that has a mechanical cartridge counter in the magazine.

                Cutoff of 2-3 rounds, yes. But counting the number of rounds? - I don't remember that.

                Thanks for the explanation. But usually it was always (and on other Mausers too!) on the left and three-position! This is the first time I've seen a right-handed translator. I puzzled over why it was like that for a long time. I saw numbers from 1 to 20. I thought that the vector lever moves as the rounds are fired, indicating the number remaining. Agree - it would be reasonable to have something like that on a 20-round weapon.
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                  11 May 2025 17: 54
                  But usually always (and on other Mausers too!) it was on the left and three-position! This is the first time I've encountered a right-handed translator.


                  It was always installed on Mausers and their clones two-position fire type translator.
                  Either Nickla or Westinger.
                  Two positions - either single or automatic fire.
                  The fuse is a separate part.

                  On the automatic Astras of the 900th series there was also a two-position selector (single - automatic fire), but its lever came out on the right side.
  8. +1
    4 May 2025 21: 38
    As Vladimir Vladimirovich wrote: "...Quiet down, speakers - it's your turn, comrade Mauser!"
    We'll drive the nag-history to death...
    And rushed!
    History has long since ceased to be a nag, and Moloch has reaped a greater harvest in the 20th century than in all previous history...
    And now the Chinese make the most drones.
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      7 May 2025 19: 58
      Why didn't the Chinese copy the German Parabellum, because it's definitely no worse than the Mauser?
      1. +1
        7 May 2025 20: 37
        These were already different weapons eras and technological levels. In the 30s, China was already immersed in war. And during war, they rarely remake anything, they produce what is in series.
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    11 May 2025 14: 11
    Quote: Million
    Listen, your head is so messed up!
    At least learn to express your thoughts clearly.

    If you thought that I take offense at such inveterate spam raters!? I don't know how to cure human stupidity and I don't transplant brains.
    As a result of the squabble we have a bow to the Supreme Xi, because cotton is gunpowder. Because spare parts for drones are the PRC.
    All the clothes and accessories, ammunition - screw it, threads for them - are from China. We open websites for selling fabrics (I'll tell you right away that our fabrics are there) fleece - made in China, blended fabric Scirpion B2 - made in Bangladesh, air mash - made in India and China. EVERYTHING else is just your worthless chatter.