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Spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un

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Since April 1, when humorous rumors about a North Korean rocket attack on an American military base located in South Korea, and even a nuclear strike, caused by an aircraft of the US Air Force that invaded the airspace of peaceful North Korea, were launched on the Internet exchange of unilateral statements of North Korea, the United States, South Korea, Japan, China and other countries, including Russia. However, Kim Jong-un, the leader of the North Korean labor people, as if he did not hear the voice of the world community.




At about the same time as April Fool's morning rumors of twelve missiles fired at the American military base, the North Korean newspaper Nodon Sinmun announced the world about the new goals of the young leader.

In the case of the start of full-scale hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, wrote a newspaper located in the territory of Japan, the US base will be considered as targets for rocket attacks from the DPRK. The Central Press Body of the Workers' Party of Korea clarified: we are talking about the Misawa Air Force Base in Aomori Prefecture (684 km north of Tokyo), the US Navy Yokosuka Base in Kanagawa Prefecture (65 km south of Tokyo) and US military facilities in the southern Japanese prefecture Okinawa.

The words of the leader were also quoted. According to Kim Jong-un, the DPRK "is not going to use nuclear weapon as a commodity for the purchase of American dollars or a bargaining chip for economic aid. " (Of course, with a bit of irony in brackets, Kim Jong-un will use nuclear weapons for its intended purpose - to destroy the imperialist bases).

In principle, Comrade Kim does exactly what he promised to the masters of the imperialists in March. 30 of the DPRK officially announced that the state of “neither war nor peace” ended on the Korean Peninsula. "Relations with South Korea from that moment entered into a state of war," said the North Korean government in this regard. Kim Jong-un said that the strategic line of the Labor Party of Korea would be to simultaneously carry out both economic reconstruction and the development of military nuclear programs.

Obviously, the Americans and South Koreans reacted particularly keenly to such plans of Kim Jong-un.

USA right there threw F-22 «Raptor» fighters to South Korea. The aircraft redeployed from the American airbase Kadena in Japan to the Osan base in South Korea.

A statement was made by John Kerry - the US Secretary of State, who not so long ago replaced Hillary Clinton, but already fully mastered the basic principles of her rhetoric. At a press conference about North Korea, he told the world community that the United States would do everything necessary to protect itself and its allies - South Korea and Japan - from the nuclear threat from the DPRK. The press conference was held after the meeting of Kerry with South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Bye-See, who arrived in Washington on a special visit.

“We are fully prepared and able to do this, and I think that the DPRK understands this,” - said head of American diplomacy, recalling that the United States recently decided to strengthen its missile defense system. In addition, the Pentagon reported that two destroyers were sent to the shores of the Korean Peninsula, equipped with Aegis anti-aircraft missile systems, not to mention the F-22 fighter jets and that the US-South Korean maneuvers were engaged in strategic bombers B-2 and B-52.

Kerry’s speech was also related to the fact that on April X, NUMX, Pyongyang announced its decision to resume operation of all nuclear facilities in Yongbyon. Mr. Kerry said that Washington considers such actions by North Korea to be provocative.

The secretary of state confirmed that "the United States will not accept the DPRK as a nuclear power" and will seek to abandon its military nuclear program in accordance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council. According to him, both the United States and South Korea are convinced that "the Korean Peninsula should be a nuclear-free zone of the world." “And we agreed that improving relations between the North and the South will ultimately help us achieve this goal,” said Kerry.

The head of the South Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in turn, noted that the United States and the Republic of Korea decided to "further strengthen" the general potential of "deterring nuclear and conventional provocations from North Korea." The Minister noted the progress made in advancing the plan of “active deterrence” prepared by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Korea and allowing the country's armed forces to launch preventive strikes against North Korea while identifying signs of a nuclear missile attack.

The theme was continued by White House spokesman Jay Carney. At a press conference, when the possible resumption of the nuclear reactor at Yongbyon was discussed, he said: “It's no secret that China has a potential impact on North Korea. We have already called for and again urge China to try to influence the DPRK. In addition, we call on Russia. ”

A spokesman for the White House called North Korea’s statement “further evidence” that Pyongyang “is violating its international obligations.” “We, of course, are taking the steps necessary to ... protect the United States,” said D. Carney.

Against the "nuclearization" were China and Japan.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei сказалthat China is in favor of the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. Yoshihide Suga, Chief Secretary of the Cabinet of Ministers of Japan, agreed with him: “This is a provocative step that contradicts the resolutions of the UN Security Council and the agreements reached during the six-party talks. We are deeply concerned about the actions of Pyongyang. ”

Director of Korean Programs at the Institute of Economics, RAS, Professor George Toloraya считаетthat the action on the alleged launch of a nuclear reactor "lies in line with the actions that the DPRK has taken in recent weeks and months, and this is actually a continuation of the PR campaign of Kim Jong-un, which he unleashed to frighten and frighten the West."

The scientist notes that the plan of the DPRK is advertised intentionally: “When Koreans want to do something in secret, then the outside world will know about it when the matter is already finished ...”

According to Lucy Williamson, a BBC correspondent in Seoul, previously used the DPRK to use the nuclear reactor in Yongbyon as a lever for influencing the West.

The nuclear complex involves two ways to create nuclear weapons: it includes a uranium enrichment facility and a nuclear reactor, the spent fuel of which can be turned into weapons-grade plutonium. A restart of the reactor would open up several possibilities for Kim Jong-un: would provide a nuclear program with the material and would attract serious attention of the world community.

In 2007, the Yongbyon reactor, which served as a source of plutonium for the North Korean military nuclear program, was shut down as part of a deal that provided for disarmament in exchange for humanitarian aid.

Kim Jong-un, I suppose, and now wants food. But only against him are sanctions, included in March over the February nuclear underground test (an explosion of about 7 kilotons).

Interesting here is another thing. For several years, the DPRK has repeatedly offered the White House to surrender the fuel rods in Yongbyon in exchange for compensation. She can be said to have been refused. About this in the journal "Foreign Policy" says a former US State Department employee Joel Whit, who dealt with the problems of nuclear disarmament, and now works as a senior researcher at one of the research centers at Columbia University (New York).

At least eight thousand fuel rods are located in Yongbyon. The plutonium contained in these fuel assemblies is sufficient to manufacture eight nuclear warheads, says Mr. Whit, who visited the complex more than once.

The readiness to exchange fuel rods for economic aid for the first time after Obama came to power, officials of the DPRK MFA reported at a meeting with US non-governmental organization employees in November 2010. Pyongyang "wanted to get more than the rods cost, but that was clearly his initial (negotiation) position," the Whit newspaper quotes "Sight". Then, he points out, the initiative was reiterated by the North Korean side in consultations with US representatives in Berlin in May 2011 of the year and in Pyongyang. “Each time, data on the North Korean proposal was regularly passed to the Obama administration at briefings at the White House, at the US Department of State, the Department of Defense and intelligence agencies,” Mr. Whit said.

The American authorities "paid due attention to the North Korean initiative," which, by the way, was also aware of Seoul. But neither the United States nor the Republic of Kazakhstan "did not take advantage of this favorable opportunity," which would be "the first step towards the final decommissioning of the center" in Yongbyon, says Whit. And by August 2012, he says, the position of the DPRK has changed.

According to the forecasts of Joel Whit and the former director of the nuclear laboratory at Los Alamos, Siegfried Hecker, who also visited Yongbyon, Pyongyang will need at least six months to resume operation of the reactor. So much time may be required for the simultaneous restoration of the cooling system of the reactor, which was liquidated several years ago, and for carrying out the necessary modification of the fuel rods.

As for Russia's reaction to the stormy April movement, the Russian Foreign Ministry believes that the chance to resume negotiations on the North Korean nuclear issue should not be missed. “The main thing now is to prevent a military force scenario on the peninsula”, - сказал Ambassador at large of the Russian Foreign Ministry Grigory Logvinov.

“We believe that there is still a chance to resume the six-party talks. As long as the slightest chance persists, it should be used, ”he said. According to him, the main thing now is to stop any rhetoric that stirs up tension. “It is necessary to keep the situation within the political framework. It is unacceptable to try to solve their narrow military-political tasks using the situation in the region, ”comrade Logvinov noted.

According to him, Moscow is confident that any of the parties will not consciously go to unleash hostilities. “However,” noted Logvinov, “in the present tense atmosphere, there is a great danger of involuntary local collisions that could cause a collapse of the situation. The main thing is that the war of nerves does not escalate into a hot war. ”

In the meantime, Kim Jong-un continued his work on global intimidation - in particular, South Korean intimidation.

Since 3 in April, North Korea has banned entry from South Korea to specialists in the joint Kaeson frontier industrial zone. More than a hundred factories work there, where over fifty thousand North Koreans and several hundred South Korean specialists work. This is the last pass for the passage to the zone every day. Western analysts writethat Kaeshn is one of the main sources of income for the DPRK, and the situation there is a kind of barometer of relations between the two Koreas.

Next, in the morning 4 April, South Korea recorded on the territory of the DPRK, moving to the east coast of the object, which was received by observers of the medium-range ballistic missile "Musudan". As one of the sources of the South Korean news agency Renhap stated, it is not clear whether North Korea is going to launch a rocket, or its actions are a "show of force."

The range of the Musudan missile is probably about three thousand kilometers, which covers the territories of South Korea, Japan, and the American territories on the Pacific island of Guam.

However, this unconfirmed information may be from the same category as the incident that took place on Wednesday night last week. That night, the troops of South Korea in the region bordering the DPRK for a few hours were given in increased combat readiness. The South Korean border guard on duty released a grenade into an “unidentified object”, as if moving in the border zone. The “object”, as it seemed to this warrior, was wandering near the barbed wire fence - the demilitarized zone, which represents fortified mined strip of land 4 km wide and 248 km long. From the north, along the DMZ, according to Seoul, is concentrated up to 70% of the forces and facilities of the Korean Peoples Army. After this "incident" the combat readiness of the troops in the district has been promoted to the level of “Chindoge-1” (this level is introduced when there is a threat of an armed invasion from the territory of the DPRK). Then the military conducted reconnaissance of the territories adjacent to the border post. The alarm was lifted in 09.20. No signs of the threat of invasion of the DPRK were found. The fact that the border guard was punished or, on the contrary, encouraged for vigilance, is not reported.

One thing is clear in the Korean question: there is a war of nerves. Against the background of the spring aggravation of Kim Jong-un and at the same time against the background of the economic crisis in the United States, when the budget is sequestered for 85 billions of dollars (and this is only the beginning), the humanitarian assistance of the DPRK, while simultaneously authorizing Iran, would look strange. As a result, nerves, like constricted strings on a guitar, burst one after another. The slightest misstep or military mistake is enough for a war to break out between the two Koreas, and there and not far from nuclear explosions, already ground-based. By the way, Kim Jong-un said that he wouldn’t hit first, but the South Koreans, supported by the United States, rested on a preventive strike - a favorite strategic device of the Pentagon.

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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 April 5 2013 07: 00 New
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    An article in any +++. I will try again: THE SILENT IN ANGER IS SCARY, screaming in anger - SMESHON.
    One day, a certain Chang Mann Yong went fishing. Returning from the prey, he asked his wife to fry the fish he caught.
    “We have no oil,” says the spouse.
    “Then we must put it out,” says the fisherman.
    “But we don’t have a pot,” the wife complains.
    “So we grill the fish?” - asks Chang Mann Yong.
    “If we had firewood ...,” the spouse tells him.
    The angry fisherman has no choice but to return to the river and release his prey. A happy fish sticks its head out of the water and shouts out: “Long live Kim Jong Un !!!”. hi
    1. esaul
      esaul April 5 2013 07: 48 New
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      Spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un

      This always happens with paranoid off-season ...
      1. Civil
        Civil April 5 2013 09: 32 New
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        China will close her granddaughter’s mouth without a problem ..
      2. Klim
        Klim April 5 2013 22: 32 New
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        Read the latest sentence in the article, you are our literate!
    2. opkozak
      opkozak April 5 2013 10: 20 New
      +5


      Check out the latest propaganda from uriminzokkiri.
      Alexandrov's choir nervously smokes at the window.
      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 5 2013 18: 30 New
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        The ground forces at least have chances to win, albeit temporary. And the sailors are definitely suicide bombers.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 5 2013 11: 20 New
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      Quote: fenix57
      An article in any +++. I will try again: THE SILENT IN ANGER IS SCARY, screaming in anger - SMESHON.


      I agree.
      One thing is clear in the Korean question: there is a war of nerves. Against the backdrop of the spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un and at the same time against the backdrop of the economic crisis in the United States, when the budget was sequestered for $ 85 billion (and this is only the beginning), humanitarian aid to the DPRK while sanctioning Iran would look somehow strange. As a result, nerves, like tightened strings on a guitar, burst one after another.


      Meanwhile, the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) is sending military equipment to the territories bordering North Korea. According to The Washington Times, the pulling of Chinese troops to the DPRK borders began in mid-March and continues to this day. Tanks were brought into Daqing (Heilongjiang Province) and the border city of Shenyang (Liaoning Province). According to one of the soldiers involved in the deployment of the army, the 190th motorized infantry brigade, which is based in Benxi (Liaoning), was also moved closer to border with North Korea. A large number of fighters appeared in the sky over the border cities of Fucheng (Hebei Province), Zhangyu and Changchun (Liaoning)
      link

      And this happens with the Chinese comrades, something like this "without noise and dust", nerves, threats and dancing around the fire with a beat in a tambourine. Why so calm?
      1. zvereok
        zvereok April 5 2013 18: 33 New
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        They want to surprise everyone - to make an unexpected throw to the north with the Koreans.
        1. Danafxnumx
          Danafxnumx April 5 2013 22: 43 New
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          or a shot at the Koreans ...
          if they continue to destabilize ...
    4. datur
      datur April 6 2013 00: 07 New
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      The angry fisherman has no choice but to return to the river and release his prey. A happy fish sticks its head out of the water and shouts out: “Long live Kim Jong Un !!!”. hi
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 6 2013 00: 18 New
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        what a subtle "English" humor) is perhaps the standard.
  2. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 April 5 2013 07: 00 New
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    A spring exacerbation of some may lead to constipation and diarrhea in others. The question of who will be stronger immunity to idiocy recourse laughing
    1. esaul
      esaul April 5 2013 07: 51 New
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      Quote: Ruslan67
      The question is who will be stronger than immunity to idiocy

      good Greetings, Ruslan hi Well said, colleague! good But, I’m afraid that the states with the South Caucasus deliberately aggravate this situation, using the pretext for more militarization of the region.
  3. smart ass
    smart ass April 5 2013 07: 04 New
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    Comrade YONA showed little toys as a child ... In most of his toys were cast-iron and nailed to the floor ...And it was necessary only in childhood to give him a pistol .... the child would have played enough and calmed down.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 09: 18 New
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      so give the pistol to Putin)) or Obama. let’s play now, but don’t spend energy on defense. Or do you refuse from the principle that anyone pursue an independent policy if it is fundamentally different from the US policy?
      no one even noticed what exactly the south is talking about a preemptive strike, and the north says that it will not attack first) or do you liberals who will attack, if only to north Korea to defame?)
      1. smart ass
        smart ass April 5 2013 11: 28 New
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        I don’t care much about Americans ... to South Korea and Japan combined)) I’m sorry that their government is terrorizing their own people .... They have nothing to eat thanks to everyone there ... and you can only envy your paranoia ... masters everywhere to look for a trace of the WEST and HAMSTERS!
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 11: 43 New
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          thanks for the answer.
          I’m glad that you are so partial. And just for my personal development, there is a personal request, please name the country, which, in isolation, does everything for the good of the people who do not give a damn about defense? I ask to broaden my horizons.
          By the way, is it possible to terrorize alien people for their own good?
          1. Delta
            Delta April 5 2013 12: 23 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            please name the country, which, in isolation, does everything for the good of the people do not give a damn about defense

            But is it necessary to live like that? it is possible for the people and for defense and without isolation. Here are such examples - a dime a dozen
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 39 New
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              it is possible)) here I completely agree with you! without irony. The only question remained is who and why drove Korea into isolation.
              1. Delta
                Delta April 5 2013 12: 54 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                there was only a question - who and why drove Korea into isolation.

                the answer is simple, like a carrot - KIMy drove. We had it too. The top needs to live in oil. So they live. Like the rest, start. For this, we need an iron curtain, isolation, so that people do not know how it is there. It is no coincidence that THEIR TV shows how in the States a person lives on a handful of rice)))))
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 02 New
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                  but what is it? how simple it is)) but I think who holds back Korean weapons around the world and does not allow Korea to trade) it turns out that the Koreans themselves)) well done, well, they deceived everyone) and most importantly somehow managed to create an opinion on the participation of NATO forces in the interception of goods))
                  1. Delta
                    Delta April 5 2013 13: 08 New
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                    What do you think? can you just blackmail the whole world and get caviar for bread for this? well, I do not. At one time, Japan ran into this. Received in full. Well, I knowingly cited your question as an example of countries that do not live in isolation and at the same time do not forget about defense and their own people. It doesn’t work that way with Un - let him study
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 29 New
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                      are you confusing anything? Once again, I repeat, "blackmail" (if you understand this) happened because of economic isolation)) and not vice versa) i.e. The difficult situation in Korea and its "blackmail" are only a consequence. The reason was isolation (I would even say the blockade)
                      1. Delta
                        Delta April 5 2013 13: 34 New
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                        and isolation from what began? so ... from nefig did appear?)))
                      2. vitya29111973
                        vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 31 New
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                        and where did the isolation come from ?????????????? th ... but you carry !!! After launching a nuclear reactor in the DPRK and announcing to the whole world about its nuclear program !!! Everyone has already forgotten about the Kingdom of Senes, but here's the trouble !!!! half of the population went hungry and the other has nothing to feed - and they resorted to blackmail !!!
                      3. fartfraer
                        fartfraer April 6 2013 00: 44 New
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                        in Japan, the mass of reactors, even did not hear that this became the reason for the isolation of Japan
                      4. sergius60
                        sergius60 April 6 2013 06: 51 New
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                        By your logic and the Soviet Union under Stalin was supposed to give EVERYONE wishing licenses for infrastructure and raw materials, and not to restore the collapsed Empire. Then all the neighbors will be pleased. First, pleasantness for the Poles - “from mozh to mozh”, then to the Franks - to Okrain. Naglam is Azeri oil. Amer, Yapam, too, amenities. The main thing is that there is no war! Or would everyone refuse? And here such a misfortune, leaders with specks on the head are not found in Korea !!!
                  2. Batman
                    Batman April 5 2013 13: 37 New
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                    can you just blackmail the whole world and get caviar for bread for this?

                    the question is what came first, sanctions or threats? Which country will like that it is forbidden to arm itself ?, and with prohibitions to kill all sprouts of the economy, i.e. drive the country into poverty, collapse ...
                    1. Delta
                      Delta April 5 2013 13: 46 New
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                      Quote: Batman
                      the question is what came first, sanctions or threats? Which country would like to be banned from arming?

                      so what came first? and then - you cannot be stronger than someone - give in, maneuver. You can or do not want - get an adequate response to your show-offs. It is not for nothing that I cited Japan as an example with its exorbitant ambitions
                    2. dmitreach
                      dmitreach April 5 2013 14: 52 New
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                      Someone (fartfraer, but I didn’t point a finger) agrees to the universal: we are responsible for those we tamed ... request
                      Initially, everything related to the current situation of the DPRK is the outcome of our Great Patriotic War and comprehensive 2WW. Until 1948, Korea was the territory of Japan ... And before that, as Latvians ... there was essentially no state. Just do not need to climb into Wicca and dig to the late Paleolithic.
                      I already looked there.
                      Well, there were some kind of feudal principalities "Asian" and the dynasty .... as everyone knows ... take it!
                      So is it worth asking from modern Russia for the politics of the Kim dynasty? But a half-century history testifies that the state is sick (politely and politically correct).
                    3. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 31 New
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                      I ask you to note that I do not urge them to answer and provide them with armed assistance) and do not blame the Russian Federation for the policy of Koreans) I just admire their perseverance, which was once peculiar to the Slavs. Now looking at your comments I understand that now such heroism for the sake of the country is not the norm, but an “idiotic act.” You don’t have principles and ideas for which you are ready to make sacrifices, you’re just consumers of “iPhones and hamburgers”.
                      I am sincerely sorry that there are such people among the members of the forum, and let me be ridiculous, but I won’t sell my views for “devouring and wearing a Yudashkin uniform, she’s all so beautiful ...” dumb, I’d have rhinestones fastened. (Sorry for the lyrical digression)
                    4. dmitreach
                      dmitreach April 6 2013 00: 08 New
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                      I understand that today such heroism for the sake of the country is not the norm, but an "idiotic act." You do not have the principles and ideas for which you are ready to make sacrifices, you are just consumers of iPhones and hamburgers.

                      Really stupid or like to be like that? Tell me directly, be affectionate, do not be shy? Down syndrome is a disease, not a curse, there is nothing shameful, but I sympathize. And then suddenly I’m talking with a mentally retarded and not in the know. I ask sincerely.

                      Again. Be patient. For the special contingent, so to speak. Not wanting to offend. Wumnik fartfraer, I say. Note without a mat.
                      Is YOU Aum Shinrikyo ideal? There, too, they died In the name of Ideals.
                      Like the Nazis who believed Hitler. Hitler Yugen also fought for their homeland, for Hitler. The Crusades, too, of Voimia Faith were accomplished.
                      Chichen, and they believed in something when they fought with the Russians. In Syria, against Assad, the same of beliefs are fighting. On both sides of the conflict. Not always for money, some sincerely fight.

                      So for Eunas for FEUDAL, who received the inheritance of power, for there is continuity and struggle of clans, since the Middle Ages. (learn history) Personally, I would not fight. Not mine. Homeland is not only people, forests, fields and mountains, but also political structure which can give; as with Gorby; be comprador, as in EBN; renounce subjects as under Emperor Nicholas; to destroy the people, as under Hirohito (when faithful soldiers, not having suffered shame, performed Sepuka in thousands); immerse the whole world in war, as with Hitler and Mussolini; rob the whole world, as the United State of Omerigi does, with M. Britain; or get sick with the mind and catch phobias, as in Poles with Latvians. Which of them is YOU sympathetic? What is the political model? I don’t have one. Kim Jong-un put in a row with them. For he is a kosher pide the feudal lord that already where to put samples And all this mess, connected with his youthful ambitions, as well as to paint and assert himself among the generals. Otherwise, his own wolves will devour him. He knows this and shit with bricks. And substitutes his people. He is not Hugo Chavez, not Condondate Che. He is the face, ruining his people.
                      ShitThey laid on their people. S.R.A.L.I.

                      And these deceived sectarians, who are simply sorry if they are overthrown by Una (maybe their own) will receive not a frail, cognitive dissonas and other mental disorders, if they see the world around them, without censoring the faithful preachers. They will have an epidemic of suicides, mental disorders and this will stretch out for a whole generation. Maybe a few. For this has already happened in history. (For example, with Japan, after World War II)

                      So do not live in invented illusions and separate flies from cutlets. Patriotism from sectarianism.
                      By the way, in the dialogue thread there are a lot of people who disagree with your ENTIRE, pink-eyed idealism, for the same reason as I do. Why's that? Are there really so many patriots on a patriotic site? Or people, unlike you, understand the essence of things.
                      Popularly explained? ask do not be shy.
                      By the way, I did not understand: what does Russian patriotism in Russia have to do with it. We do not have Eun in power. The GDP affairs are different, with possible shortcomings.
                    5. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 6 2013 00: 34 New
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                      even early you fell into rudeness) well, it’s excusable to you. to see the memories of chewing gum made you remember about children's insults? calm down, everything is in the past! now you are in charge (well, at least in tyrnet)
                      Now that you’ve calmed down (I hope this has already happened), I’ll explain to you once again - if the northerners decided to fight for their feudal lord, then this is their personal matter, provided that they do not start a war. When the Russian Federation fought against the separatists (you know what the word means " separatism "? this is being held at school in social studies), then it was our own business, we did not attack Ukraine in passing (for example), and therefore we were not aggressors.
                      there are always those who disagree, well, yes it’s not terrible, everyone has the right to their own opinion. But unlike you, I don’t try to make everyone think like me, I don’t impose my values, I just expressed my opinion and asked questions. As long as there is only one of your comments was the answer, the rest is more like hysterics unusual for men, well, yes, I’m ready to tolerate, if only you were calm and, maybe, you’ve finally not just put up
                      I was "inadequate", but also read and (most importantly) THINKED over what I say.
                      and by the way, I don’t need to poke a personal request, we don’t know, and your tantrums are not an excuse. And you can use a variety of “popularly explained” in the circle of your possible friends, I ask this bylachka (in your performance it looks like this) not to apply otherwise, our further dialogue will not take place.
                    6. dmitreach
                      dmitreach April 6 2013 00: 56 New
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                      I apologize. fell through.
                      Our initial argument is not that the United States of Omerigi has a patent on the truth of judgments. Do not drive the topic.
                      I remind you.

                      FC Skiff RU Yesterday, 07:20
                      - 3 +
                      Let the northerners eat!


                      And skzan this is Scythian, almost sure in connection with, wrong, wrong, flawed, ugly, suicidal, etc., the position of the DPRK - bargain humanitarian the food. Their efforts would be in a different direction. With such "zeal" it was possible to establish cooperation with China and with Russia and with South Korea. Finns with advice traded despite the war in the past. We have been building the Court for more than half a century and ATTENTION, We are proud of pragmatic relations. Only the lazy did not cite them as an example of spratland.
                      That's just the policy of Kimov, even China is annoying, like SCykooshvillo - NECESSARY, on the eve of 888. For there were just a few who didn’t fail everyone under the article. Therefore, the DPRK has the same problems with "allied China." Painful ally.
                    7. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 6 2013 01: 08 New
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                      it happens.
                      I have almost 4 in the morning, sleep is hunting) I have to stop talking. Good night
                    8. dmitreach
                      dmitreach April 6 2013 01: 15 New
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                      see you soon hi
            2. vitya29111973
              vitya29111973 April 6 2013 00: 35 New
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              why do you live in Russia, since you admire the DPRK. There, quickly forget what the Internet is !!!
            3. sergius60
              sergius60 April 6 2013 07: 08 New
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              You're right, man !!! With such outlooks on life, WARRIORS are obtained. And your critics are soldiers. Why negativity on the "soldier"? The word came from the Italian "soldo" - their denyuzhka. That is, a mercenary serving for money. In appearance, they seem to look the same, they run around briskly with all the polygons. And when the moment comes of MAJOR CHOICE ... Between life and death ...
              The happiness of Russia was that there were always enough WARRIORS. I pray that there are now. By the way, I already know one thing. You blabbed yourself. soldier drinks
            4. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 6 2013 15: 37 New
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              sergius60, sorry, I didn’t understand who the answer was.
              But I will answer, otherwise I’m afraid to be misunderstood.
              In case of trouble, I’ll go to fight for my own friends, consciously. Although I am a statesman by conviction, but closer to me is "military democracy" / "police", in the initial sense - an armed militia, with the "Vchevoy Bell". (if idealized)
              There are examples in Russia - Minin and Pozharsky or partisans and militias in the Second World War.
  • core
    core April 5 2013 18: 02 New
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    and you’re probably in the UK every day, and you see how people have been “starving”, for about 20 years now and they’ll not die like hunger, they launch all the rockets. reactors are building. if there is no McDonald’s in the country, this does not mean that there is hunger. in our Russian understanding, there is nothing to eat in the UK, not bread or potatoes, a Korean who also arrived in Russia will say that there’s netuti food (his food. which he used to eat)
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 25 New
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      Yes, it’s useless to explain something) they are glad that they have everything in spite of the distribution of the territories of the Russian Federation to other countries and the economic crisis in Ukraine) they don’t even imagine what it is like to live in a state that does not “lie” under anyone and leads an independent policy ) such will argue that the Koreans are to blame for the blockade, and Stalin, not looking for the root cause, sees only the consequence in the Leningrad blockade)
  • sashka
    sashka April 5 2013 07: 19 New
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    And I like him .. I put it on everyone and does what I need. And he does not listen to "friends" and "partners" Unlike the "slave on the galleys" and the "guarantor" in combination.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 09: 22 New
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      Sasha, I agree with you completely. And even on this site his independence provokes some kind of inadequate reaction) apparently people have already lost the habit of thinking independently, they all live in jokes and slogans.
      1. Delta
        Delta April 5 2013 11: 54 New
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        Quote: fartfraer
        Yes, they live by slogans.

        that’s where the slogans are enough, it’s in the North. We went through it. And everyone gradually came to the conclusion that you won’t be alive with slogans
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 08 New
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          I agree with you, we lived by the slogans) now many live on the thirst for profit and for the sake of devouring. what do you live for? more precisely for what? and what are you willing to sacrifice for your purpose?
          1. Delta
            Delta April 5 2013 12: 26 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            and what do you live with? more precisely for what? and what are you willing to sacrifice for your purpose?

            what purpose? in the 91st my state was taken from me, and for the sake of the state my Timoshenka I am not ready to sacrifice anything. And I live for the sake of my family. But living only with an idea ... you know, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR. Idea, patriotism and faith are good. But this is enough in the West as well, and living with it is an order of magnitude better than in the USSR and even more so than in the DPRK, because in the same Germany (let's not talk about the USA), MAN is put at the forefront. And so they always have. And we have "women still give birth" (c) Apraksin
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 47 New
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              I'm sorry, maybe I’ll say a little sharply that Western values ​​showed themselves during the war between France and Hitler Germany. The French took care of themselves so much that they surrendered the country in two weeks. With regards to human values, if you look, you will find a lot of information about problems of Germans in Germany with the same "valuable people" "Turks. tolerance turned out to be a terrible poison, but because of the value of a person, treatment of tolerant countries is not carried out, and therefore outbreaks of nationalism will be permanent. The same thing in the Russian Federation.
              about the cause of the collapse of the USSR does not agree.
              “women give birth” is somewhat true, but nevertheless the same union was more human than Western countries or modern post-Soviet states.
              1. Delta
                Delta April 5 2013 12: 49 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                "women give birth" is somewhat true, but nevertheless the same union was more human

                I know the reasons for the collapse of my state. BUT!!! For all this, for some reason, it’s not the decaying States that fell apart, but the USSR. So, something was wrong in that state, then it turned out to be not viable, could not protect itself
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 06 New
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                  I agree, I’ll even clarify a little, that means the citizens of this state thoughtlessly sold out for one hundred varieties of sausages and affordable jeans, that means the ideological training in the army was at zero and the army violated the oath, so there were people in power with no ideas.
                  and all this does not explain why you wish North Korea the same fate
                  1. Delta
                    Delta April 5 2013 13: 11 New
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                    Quote: fartfraer
                    I agree, I’ll even clarify a little, that means the citizens of this state thoughtlessly sold out for one hundred varieties of sausages and affordable jeans, that means the ideological training in the army was at zero and the army violated the oath, so there were people in power with no ideas.
                    and all this does not explain why you wish North Korea the same fate

                    I spoke yesterday about fanaticism and ideas that you cannot live on. In the end, a person wants to eat and dress. And that is his nature. And this does not mean that for this he must sell himself. The fact that Gorbachev and Yeltsin and Kravchuk sold themselves, and at the same time millions of their subjects, is not an indicator that this can only be in the civilized world
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 36 New
                      +1
                      by the way, about a non-viable union, it’s generally funny) if the union was aggressive and lived robbing other countries (as the states do) it would exist now) so we see that the desire to impose our will by force is viability? nuclear war) unless of course Putin has eggs (figuratively), because the amers have no brains and they will put pressure on all fronts.
                      1. kaprall
                        kaprall April 5 2013 20: 26 New
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                        Incidentally, the Amer selected and take away, first of all, brains, and not rabble.
                  2. kaprall
                    kaprall April 5 2013 20: 24 New
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                    I don’t think anyone has sold for sausage, as you say. The idea of ​​a strong country is measured not only by the ability to wear jeans, but by fair governance, if the country is in the hands of a tyrant, this will lead to the anarchy that we acquired in the 90s, by the way, not far gone.
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 20: 39 New
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                      Corporal, and I agree with you in most of your statements, only the tyrant should be changed by ourselves, and not wait for the "kind" someone to start a war with your country.
                2. kaprall
                  kaprall April 5 2013 20: 19 New
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                  So it is, the states are rotting and decaying, and we have already had 25 years of devastation. By the way, if hostilities begin, it will be possible to verify the perfection or not of our weapons.
                  1. sergius60
                    sergius60 April 6 2013 07: 50 New
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                    In the 41st, unfortunately a lot did not believe the Soviet party propaganda. Millions of prisoners are talking about something ... 1224 T-34 + 636 KV = 1860 versus 3360 really didn’t "wunderwaffles", it didn’t help. But when they saw the “fascists” in action ... Although half of the park in the war was T-60, and they put up a “menagerie” - they reached Berlin. Warriors will decide everything, warriors again. Zatsa at least plant in a galactic cruiser, and a weak sphincter will disable all electronics. lol
              2. kaprall
                kaprall April 5 2013 20: 17 New
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                What are you talking about, the values ​​or lives of millions? If you don’t put your neighbor penniless, do not think that he will respect you.
      2. sashka
        sashka April 5 2013 23: 48 New
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        Quote: fartfraer
        even on this site its independence causes some kind of inadequate reaction

        This is not a reaction, THIS Errektion .. The great Pu "said." He "Pu did" He "promised" to do .. To the impossibility to do it yourself .. And "this" boy puts the whole "civilized" world into cancer and does not survive .. That's with whom to take an example .. You need to push and not "agree" .. They will not appreciate and do not understand ..
    2. imperiolist
      imperiolist April 5 2013 11: 43 New
      +1
      once leaning on the greatest country in the world, the USSR, the DPRK is now forced to sail in splendid isolation. There is no one else to guide and teach them. Our Russia, alas, does not have the influence that the Soviets had and I can’t see him.
  • FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 5 2013 07: 20 New
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    Let the northerners eat! I, too, if the hungry always psyche, and how to eat, then I can speculate about world peace.
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 07: 42 New
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      To eat? In this country-sect by the roundness of the muzzle, it is guaranteed to determine the status of the Customer. Someone I have never seen the chubby privates of the DPRK, and yet they do not threaten the Corrupt West ....
      Let your Apple sell at auction ... you can feed the country a month ...
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 09: 20 New
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        so you look at the pictures, but you’ve never seen it)) on this site laid out a lot and no one saw something of a thin soldier.
        By the way, you have the same advice - sell an apartment and transfer money to the central bank, raise the economy of your native state
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 5 2013 11: 31 New
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          1. Read carefully.
          2. We are not hysterical.
          3. Think with your head.
          pictures here http://topwar.ru/5592-armiya-v-severnoy-korei.html
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 11: 35 New
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            damn, I have army photos not digital)) I would have thrown 50 kg of live weight of contract soldiers and I can tell you how 5 people spent a day on one can of stew and instead of water they ate snow. let's compare the supply of parts? Do you have data on North Koreans? It would be interesting to read and compare with your experience in the Russian army
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 5 2013 11: 53 New
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              90s and dogs eaten by conscripts - a reason for pride ??? However.... belay and now imagine that this is the case with us since the 50s .... and earlier, then DPRK will turn out.

              Kalash - he is in Korea - Kalash ... measure the waist "in Kalash". This misfortune is not due to the fact that North Koreans are frail by nature, but from the fact that they need to be fed for eleven generations, in a row.
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-07/1310488419_29.jpeg
              1. dmitreach
                dmitreach April 5 2013 12: 02 New
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                compare with the pigs and his Apple. (visible to the right)
                1. dmitreach
                  dmitreach April 5 2013 12: 06 New
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                  get .... Eric Cartman Narrow-eyed. (Well, we keep in mind the fact that his elder, sibling exchanged the status of "The Great Helmsman and Leader of the All Coisey" for .... fast food in Disneyland. This is not casual ...)
                2. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 13 New
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                  compare the cost of Medvedev's camera with the salary of a doctor? compare the content of the Queen of England with the income of an English sailor? compare the income of Yanukovych or Nazarbayev with the income of turners in their states?
                  name at least one country where the ruler lives worse or at the level of hard workers? at least one!
                  1. Delta
                    Delta April 5 2013 12: 32 New
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                    Quote: fartfraer
                    name at least one country where the ruler lives worse or at the level of hard workers? at least one!

                    I will call. In Germany, half of the ministers ride the metro or ride bicycles. And in Hungary, the President’s house is no match for our palaces
                    1. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 49 New
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                      yes ... the question is not understood)) over and over it floats on a wooden boat)) than not an example. and Putin went on a viburnum. but you condemn the Minister of Germany in no hurry) why? while you modestly ignore the essence of the issue, and she’s not about who drives what, but in the standard of living
                      1. Delta
                        Delta April 5 2013 12: 57 New
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                        Quote: fartfraer
                        and she’s not about who drives what, but in the standard of living

                        so I'm just about the standard of living. At the same time, the standard of living in Germany, Sweden, and Finland is so high that it would be possible for ministers to afford something, but no - they live more modestly than the same Un or Yanukovych and Tymoshenko. But what is Tymoshenko, our "opposition" Vlasenko (Tymoshenko’s defender) lives so that the Arab sheikhs will envy.
                  2. dmitreach
                    dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 09 New
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                    What for obsolete demagogic cliches? I would like to quote from "3000 miles to Graceland":
                    - eat up!
                    “You are not my father.”
                    - Have you heard about the starving children of Africa?
                    - do you want to send them my chips?

                    Update your dusty examples and do not go into demagoguery.

                    I put it on a DAM camera, because if you want to buy a LEICA S, it is possible in Russia. And in Korea? How to make money on the not adequately expensive Apple Mac Pro (used one) And in Korea?
                    Have you seen in the 80s how your classmates from prosperous families beg for chewing gum from a foreigner in the transition to Manezh? I, the student was ashamed. Im cool. The USSR was exchanged for clothes and chewing gum, not because there was absolutely nothing to eat (as in Korea, although it was like that), but because they got a lot of false ideals about "ships plowing the Bolshoi Theater", like a dumb cattle, while the Members (CPSU) lived on a grand scale. literally, like feudal lords at the expense of slaves. But you don’t know, probably from a young age.
                    To die for ideals is not a tricky thing, especially when the brain is formatted by the leaders of the sect. In them, in the DPRK, not the Great Patriotic War and Leningrad Blockade, but snickering feudal lords and anorexia of the poor population - slaves. These are completely different phenomena. Or is Aum Shinrikyo ideal for you? There, too, they died In the name! ...
                    1. Delta
                      Delta April 5 2013 13: 13 New
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                      Quote: dmitreach
                      Have you seen in the 80s how your classmates from prosperous families beg for chewing gum from a foreigner in the transition to Manezh? I, the student was ashamed.

                      yeah ... it was: ((
                    2. fartfraer
                      fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 49 New
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                      here it is) I turned out to be a mason at the time (a year and a half ago) and not getting a w-two months, and then another year suing her, I could easily afford a camera for 100 tyrov)) a distant teacher, but what there a teacher, any janitor is able to afford this) and no one is cashing in on us, which is a discovery for me)
                      do you write that before you were ashamed of begging for cheap chewing gum? (by the way in the USSR were chewing gum), so what has changed now? were you given the opportunity to have your own slave workers and you began to support the consumer society? Well, support me, I don’t against) you can directly not respect me and say that my judgments are stupid)) it doesn’t matter. The only important thing is that you yourself betrayed that proud and embarrassed to ask and became like these asking children.
                      by the way about iPhones, etc. — you’re frankly proud, “I’ve used it so much.” I disappoint you — I only need a phone to make a call, so I haven’t changed it for 5 years now and don’t worry about it and don’t get into loans to buy it ” newfangled brand clothes, "because I’m accustomed to living within our means and being indebted to someone I don’t like
                      1. dmitreach
                        dmitreach April 5 2013 22: 31 New
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                        So what? They also threw me at the dough and did not return. Everything happened and opened its own business .... in crisis 2008 ... with known consequences. AND? The fundamental difference is that in Russia it is the prose of life. And in Korea? There you can open a business, what would relatives not pay for the bullet? In Russia it is possible.
                        There, you can risk hiring a private trader who may pay badly, and maybe pay money? In Korea?
                        THERE you can live without fear that tomorrow is war? Without posters on life safety and non-profit organization, and the feudal lords smiling from them? Without indicating the direction in which to crawl in the event of an atomic explosion? Forgot already?
                        In the USSR there was a chewing gum ... ohh ... Orange, coffee, without pictures, 5 pieces in a package. And there was Donaldac and TurboMOTO. AUTOMOTIVE, Love is and, it seems ... everything. The rest was not a format and rarity, and that is already 80 / 90s. AND! there were still menthol pads with the LADA logo (Zhiguli boat), but they were only seen in the Baltic states. They played on inserts with typewriters and comics, and so the teachers “cracked dry”, because the face of gambling at school ...
                        I don’t need to tell how a foreign chewing gum (unlike the Soviet one) went around in a circle, and the wrapper was called a “smell” and was quoted too. All these dances with tambourines remind me of the natives from Manhattan. Thought to clarify or adult?
                        you yourself have betrayed yourself that proud and ashamed to ask and become like these asking children.

                        Not when I didn’t ask. Thanks to my parents, I ate full when I was a child. He lived in Germany, Poland, Riga and Tallinn, during the USSR (you’ll guess your father’s profession if you scratch your brain) That's just the USSR of the 80s, it’s never North Korea today ... Rather, China ... Or Poland began in the 80s, when concessions went there ... People were given the opportunity to earn a living, and not to eke out the miserable existence of Voim Vera, which They did not become.
                        undisguised pride you have

                        Again stamps. I used it for work. He worked for several years on a bite, costing a little more than a little bit - dofiga. (at the moment I prefer to work on my home computer, although the bite behind me is reserved, but the characteristics are lame, it’s not convenient to work) Do I have to whip my ears on the cheeks with shame? I am not a marginal, I earn money by labor, in particular by my brain ... Should I be ashamed of someone? Which one? And this is thanks to the Soviet and post-Soviet education, as well as the fact that Russia has the opportunity to earn and study. And in Korea?
                        Have you recorded me in yfonshiki? Yazh said in Russian: it's good to scatter labels, expand your horizons. I have a Nokia

                        I don’t like to be due

                        But what about Russia? And if in power - Kim, bright eyes, Chin Eun? (There is no notion of "there", there simply is a feudal succession of power and all the others, as a result.)
                        I perceive the USSR as real, unlike you. And I do not complain about him, like some. And even more so I do not idealize. My grandfather was at the congress of deputies of the CPSU, all male relatives were officers. I have something to be proud of THANKS to the fathers. But there is also something to ask, because the first people whom politicians betray are the military. Read Bulgakov, it will become clearer.
                        Then there was a lot of good, but there were dead ends too. The system did not go through evolution. North Korea also will not work. Living in the past, without a future is Korean, they are so stuck in time and stopped developing.

                        So there are two realities;
                        a) fictional and licked by dreams.
                        b) harsh, but life.
                        I, personally, closer option - "b".
                        Do not idealize the USSR and the DPRK. And even more so, to draw a parallel with patriotism against the background of terry feudalism. These are different concepts, do not substitute. Although, someone and Aum Senrikyo - the Truth, and the Nazis in Hitler, sincerely believed. And Gorby was popular at first ...
                      2. fartfraer
                        fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 09 New
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                        do not believe it) plus your answer) now I will answer the points myself
                        “You can open a business there, what would your relatives not pay for a bullet? In Russia, you can.” I think there is no business there, but specialists who are engaged in useful business and live there better than people without education or with low qualifications.
                        “THERE can you live without fear that tomorrow is war?” - where can you live without fear? Only in Switzerland and Australia (probably)
                        "That's just the USSR of the 80s, it’s never North Korea today ... Rather, China ... Or Poland in the early 80s, when there were concessions ... People were given the opportunity to earn a living, and not eke out a miserable existence Voimia Vera which They didn’t become. "- The USSR was not in blockade, plus had a lot of resources. I don’t agree with the miserable existence. If the USSR now, any student would know that he would be employed by profession, sooner or later he would get housing, that he wouldn’t they will consider a second-rate person because of the lack of a car or a summer cottage, that he will be paid all sick leave, that there will be no delays due to the fact that in any city of the union he will receive honey without any problems. help, etc.and this confidence in the future was worth (personal opinion) to live in union.
                        “But what about Russia?” - do not substitute concepts. I swore allegiance to Russia, and therefore the current distribution of lands is heating up. And the only thing that makes me ashamed of the country is that I write about it in tyrnet, but I still can’t influence what is happening events.
                        "for the first to be betrayed by politicians is the military," because the military betrayed the USSR, allowing it to collapse. but I completely agree in this statement
                        “I perceive the USSR as real, unlike you.” - you can’t even imagine how I perceive the USSR, but the collapse “everything to the bottom, and then .. all gentlemen” I perceive sharply negatively. Yes, it was necessary to reform, yes, we need there were some liberalization actions, but the collapse of the union is not the failure of the system, but the failure of the leaders.
                        "(There is no concept of" must, "there simply is a feudal succession of power and all the others, as a consequence.)" -The worst thing is that we seem to have the same thing. And the union was. Such things need to be fixed, it’s not I argue. But this should not be done through military pressure, war, or whatever you want to call what they want to do with the DPRK.
                        Well, and again, I repeat, I do not idealize the DPRK, but they should decide how they live, and not the south or the states.
                        Well, I’ll explain why plus memories of childhood, although we have different views on the issue under discussion, but your memories quite accurately reflect my childhood.)
                      3. dmitreach
                        dmitreach April 6 2013 00: 49 New
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                        really really surprised. plus for a detailed answer.
                        When the leader is a rag, then the Country about lost. So it was at Nikolshka, Gorbi, EBN. And the people received: Civil, Perestroika and Troubles with bandits. Why do we have so many non-patriots among Russians? Or people don’t sacrifice their lives for the fields of forests and rivers? All the same, for the future of his children. For your people. Earth in this case is a collective image. Or did the guys in the first Chechen not fight for the dead comrades, wanting to come from the RPG to the Kremlin? Did the civil war happen because of abstract concepts, or because of specific ideals, with specific leaders?
                        My grandfather died because of a mess in the early 90s, despite the fact that since the 50s he had been pushing "forest brothers" to his fingernail in sprotland. (He wore large epaulettes, he fought as a sailor in the Second World War on the Pacific Fleet) Father, capraz banned to go to the Navy (now I regret that I didn’t obey) because the EBN stuck to power like a fleet against the quay wall. The father threw a party card a few years before the collapse of the country, while those who had come to power changed their color like a chameleon , happen to be a dudger. He was expelled from the service because of this, then there was a problem with his pension, for several years of service was not enough. He has his own scores; he still cannot be reconciled. So there are enough revolutionaries in my family and patriots. To understand the logic, read Bulgakov. Run. Days of the Turbins. Pikul. And figure out the simple difference. Volunteer for the Fatherland, as in Syria it is possible and at a respectable age, should trouble happen. But to be a pillar of compradors in the 90s ... then a lot of military destinies broke. Therefore, Una cannot stand the spirit.
                        Therefore, I say to you for the tenth time:
                        separate flies from cutlets, and patriotism from fanaticism.
                        I never said, never said that the United States of Omerigi should decide for the North Koreans.
                      4. fartfraer
                        fartfraer April 6 2013 01: 04 New
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                        you will not believe in your comment there is an answer for you. when leaders live in violation of generally accepted rules, then the negative accumulates and then spills out. but this is not a crisis of the system, it is a crisis of leaders who have lost the state idea.
                        By the way, I’m ready to tell you something about flies and cutlets - you transferred your image of the rulers of the 90s to the United States and don’t transfer it, but to me exactly, I consider him only as the leader of the state in his actions in foreign policy. And I will repeat to you once again, if everything is so bad there, then they themselves will solve this problem, as they solved it with the tacit indifference of the population (including the idea that was lost for the above reasons) in the USSR. and attack us at 89, what a busman and not a fact that the union would fall apart.
                        and in general I get the feeling that you just read my comments, without thinking, take out separate phrases and make some strange conclusions. Well, let’s be consistent, it’s your right, if you want to continue to continue thoughtless writing, I won’t mind
                      5. dmitreach
                        dmitreach April 6 2013 01: 11 New
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                        below answered
                        I will add.
                        What do they live for 60 years of rule, like on the groundhog day? They didn’t invent a time machine, with one move - back to the past.
                        No, I read carefully, not really yours. Otherwise, I would not trump the links to the dictionary., As it was below, in connection with the word: "development". You did not catch me in this, unlike you, which gave an occasion to quote Ozhegov.
            2. Kalita
              Kalita April 5 2013 20: 39 New
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              dmitreach, great answer! Right to the point, everything!
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 21: 28 New
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                I would even say answered with a point, not a point) at a point there is as much semantic load
              2. dmitreach
                dmitreach April 5 2013 22: 48 New
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                always pzhlst hi
          2. zvereok
            zvereok April 5 2013 19: 10 New
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            Let’s compare the salary of an official whose salary has been increased more than two and a half times since September 2012 (the head of the department, according to Peskov, received a little more than 120 thousand rubles, and began to receive a little more than 320 thousand rubles), with the salary ... umm ... those who don’t even index it with 2008.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 20: 14 New
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              hush, please)) otherwise strategic commentators will equate the Russian Federation with Korea and would like China or the states to be replaced by a quiet president, as discussed below
      2. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 03 New
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        ok, we will consider that the stubborn head of state and his army, which keeps its people in fear, are to blame. The North Korean "communists" need only abandon their ideals and ideas and all-life in satiety and other bonuses!
        I don’t want to insult you, I just ask how much food you are ready to betray your principles? Are you personally ready to go to the partisans during the occupation by NATO countries? Starve and fight for the sake of your state? If so, is it not Putin’s fault that you have to will you limit yourself for the sake of your country? if your answer is no, then the question is different — are you ready to hunt partisans in the forests in case of occupation for sausages and cars?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 5 2013 12: 15 New
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          how much pathos in words.
          Soft with warm do not confuse. Frets? I remember in the 90s by appointment that the empty shelves and the humanitarian aid from my friends are the same.
          I believe that cannibalism in occupied Leningrad, had a place to be. And this is an occasion for execution, as the highest measure of social protection, in wartime conditions. And there is nothing to be proud of. As well as the cheap Internet pathos about betrayal for food - no reason to compare Russia with a hungry Korea.
          Once again I say: soft with warm do not confuse.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 32 New
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            why can’t you compare? can you explain? pathos you have no less) for you the main indicator of the well-being of the state is “it would be good to devour.” due to what it will be achieved you don’t care.
            all your arguments “no need to compare”, “hungry soldiers”, etc., while you did not find it possible to name at least one country where the ruler lives at the level of a loader (for example), while all your condemnation of the regime is only for “thin soldiers” .so why are you not outraged by the economic blockade of Korea? After all, the root cause of all the misfortunes of the Koreans is precisely in this, and not in the iPhone
            I'm sorry, but your reasoning does not concern the reasons, they concern the participants of this problem, and it is very one-sided. As a minimum, Korea is able to create competitive weapons, could trade them freely, develop the economy, science, so why can't they do it openly? what is the basis of the blockade? why are they condemned for the threat of a response to aggression? There are many questions, but so far there is only one answer from you, “no pathos”
            1. Delta
              Delta April 5 2013 12: 41 New
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              Quote: fartfraer
              why they are condemned for the threat of a response to aggression

              and where and whose aggression against the DPRK? has someone stuck in there already?
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 09 New
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                )) and someone has already struck back? while both of them are dispensed with words, and you are on the side of the south) they didn’t see your condemnation of the claim for a preventive strike on the DPRK, but the whole site is full of condemnations for the statement of the response of the DPRK on the aggressor )
              2. Delta
                Delta April 5 2013 13: 15 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                even did not see your condemnation of the claim for a preventive strike on the DPRK

                Well, firstly, so far, the statements are mainly from the North, and secondly, the DPRK has nuclear weapons that they threaten to put into action. And this is not a joke. It will go to everyone. Once the USA and the USSR had enough brains not to play out. Is Eunu enough - not sure
              3. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 32 New
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                ok, now your position is clear) to remove nuclear weapons and just business.
                By the way, what do you think, is there enough brains in the south not to attack (even in alliance with the states) the nuclear state?
                the statements really are still from the north) and they relate specifically to defense and the response to the attack, and not the first strike)
              4. Delta
                Delta April 5 2013 13: 36 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                By the way, what do you think, is there enough brains in the south not to attack (even in alliance with the states) the nuclear state?
                the statements really are still from the north) and they relate specifically to defense and the response to the attack, and not the first strike)

                why not? that's enough. Let this state still listen to the world community. For you cannot live in a hostel only by your own rules and listening only to your own desires. Otherwise, the neighbors will get angry. AND THIS IS NORMAL
              5. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 38 New
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                they do not live in a dormitory, but in their own country. and if you’re used to being told how to live people from behind a “hill”, they decide (for now) themselves. if they attack first, I will condemn them (although this doesn’t matter to them) ), but so far I see only the provocations of the south and the states against an independent independent state, which directly warned that it was ready for an answer. Although you have already forgotten the words “independence” and “independence”, it seems
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 39 New
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            Nuclear weapons are not yet known ... for the evidence is indirect. To blow up simultaneously over 9000 explosive cars for mining operations is practically possible. As well as clip it with hungry people, throughout the year. Seismic sensors in South Korea and Japan will show. ..... just now? An explosion comparable to an atomic one?
            But statements of a military nature from the DPRK are connected with the military "exercises" of the southerners and with a banal attempt to draw attention to themselves. The UN began to lavish food. Everything is not so clear there. Southerners, too, are not sugar and often openly provoke. It's just that the media, as is customary, takes a biased position. Therefore, the rhetoric of the DPRK sometimes seems overly senile. Although calling it adequate is even more difficult.
        2. Kalita
          Kalita April 5 2013 20: 47 New
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          "the site is full of condemnation of the declaration of the DPRK’s response to the aggressor)" - the site is full of condemnation of stupidity and thank God, otherwise else they will tie Russia to defend it.
        3. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 21: 31 New
          +1
          what is the relationship in recognizing the right of the north to protect and the participation of the Russian Federation in this mess? Try not to speak with the "echo of Moscow" patterns, but express your thoughts, albeit clumsily like me)
  • dmitreach
    dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 21 New
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    for you, the main indicator of well-being

    Do not draw conclusions for me and I will not tell you where to go. Do you agree?
    Is Aum Shinrikyo the ideal? They also died in the name of ...
    So not all so-called "ideals" and other value systems are true?
    .Korea least able to create a competitive weapon

    Urgently learn materiel, otherwise I’ll put it bad. (and, friendly advice: do not make people laugh)
    why they are condemned for the threat of a response to aggression

    Because for a dead end, in evolutionary terms, the state of the DPRK, it becomes a means of exchange for humanitarian aid, a form of food. Literally: we are not buzy, you are going to eat us. Here is such a "begging-extortion" on a national scale ...
    But you don’t know this because you haven’t studied the issue ..
    at least korea is able to create

    Feudal system with a powerful ideology, instead of a cup of rice. Rockefeller did not think of it and enviously spins in a coffin.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 40 New
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      “Urgent to learn materiel, otherwise I’ll put it bad.” -Put it) I’m not upset)) By the way, do not tell who the cargo of missiles was intercepted by the states?
      "Because for a dead end, in evolutionary terms, the state of the DPRK," it is strange, a similar state (the same dead end and with a similar ideology), but not in a blockade, is the most powerful economy in the world)
      “Literally: we are not buzzing, you are going to eat us.” - literally, I’ll repeat the consequences of the economic blockade) what prevented us from interfering with the trade of the “dead end” state? Then, according to your comments, they would fall apart themselves) but for some reason they’re afraid to give them trading opportunities. The question is why?
      it is strange that many feudal states are “shaking hands”, and the “feudal” Korea is blocked and is condemned by everyone) what to do with this duality?
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 54 New
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      set bad
    3. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 33 New
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      it’s good that they set it. Can you point out errors right away? For example, why did Iran buy Korean missiles that were "worthless"?
      Well, the most important question is how did these "backward Asians" manage to ensure that they were not crushed after the collapse of the alliance? Did slingshots and scare the advanced militarist of South Korea?
    4. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 22: 57 New
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      aa ... understand .. for other people's ideals hurry to die? goodies. free will
      And in Korea?
    5. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 27 New
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      To be honest, I did not understand your question a little. Could you decrypt it?
  • Hon
    Hon April 5 2013 11: 32 New
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    In general, the DPRK army eats well, even by the standards of developed countries. service is the time when a North Korean resident eats well.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 11: 46 New
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      that's what you argue)) they tell you they don’t eat well)) the soldiers are thin. Surely they will now find cannibalistic facts in the army of North Korea.
      By the way, who is interested in looking for information how to eat in the Russian Federation. Does it contain vitamins, proteins, fats, carbohydrates?
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 49 New
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        the norm of nutrition for a soldier of the Russian Federation is the Secret of the General. Return from the 90s, no one eats dogs.
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 13: 46 New
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      yes yo mine !!!
      Am I the only one to see "underweight" in the photo?
      http://topwar.ru/5592-armiya-v-severnoy-korei.html
      Do you know how the Soviet military advisers in the "Korean", fed pilots, under pain of the tribunal? (because they dragged the solder home) So for half a century, the indicators have never improved. And this is called a "trend." If they are starving from generation to generation, then .... something is not right in their "Kingdom".
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 53 New
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        I remember our pilots drank alcohol from the cooling system) what, all Russian drunks? are you making such a conclusion from this?
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 5 2013 23: 01 New
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          you make such a conclusion from this?

          no.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 31 New
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            Surprised. According to the photos of the Korean soldiers, they made a lot of conclusions, but on the facts from the service of the Russian pilots did not bother)
            1. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 6 2013 01: 27 New
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              If our pilots had an extreme degree of alcohol dependence, leading not only to a violation of the salt balance and the functioning of internal organs, but also to such a thing as the “face of an alcoholic.” (Swells due to metabolic disorders in the body, wrinkles are smoothed out), then. ... your argument would be true.
              In the case of the DPRK military, I observe a huge number of suspiciously thin people. And then there are stories about how our pilots forced them to eat them and how the Americans, entering into a maneuvering battle, understood by the behavior of the wings of Korean fighters who was in the cockpit ... (when maneuvering over 4 G, the Koreans were on the verge of losing consciousness, which affected fine motor skills of hands and, as a result, on the flight path. In short, approximately like a drunk car driving)
              For 60 years, the problem of food has not been solved.
      2. Hon
        Hon April 9 2013 10: 45 New
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        Quote: dmitreach
        Am I the only one to see "underweight" in the photo?

        Firstly, Koreans themselves are too small. Secondly, food is poor before service, and if you eat poorly in childhood, then later on it affects body weight.
        Quote: dmitreach
        Do you know how the Soviet military advisers in the "Korean", fed pilots, under pain of the tribunal? (because they dragged the solder home) So for half a century, the indicators have never improved. And this is called a "trend." If they are starving from generation to generation

        As correctly noted, they dragged the solder home, and therefore they were malnourished. In North Korea, large resources are being allocated to the army, and this is partly why food shortages are forming. However, soldiers, unlike civilians, eat very well.
  • 1goose3
    1goose3 April 5 2013 07: 46 New
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    The spring exacerbation is among the Americans, and what does the DPRK have to do with it. It is interesting how the United States would behave if Russia would conduct any full-scale military exercises near their shores.
    And Scythian sarcasm is not appropriate here: Let the northerners eat! I, too, if the hungry always psyche, and how to eat, then I can speculate about world peace.
    If you cancel all this "isolation" then they will feed themselves calmly and will serve someone else. No need to sing to Eurostate music. This country and its people are worthy of respect, and not vice versa.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 16 New
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      the funniest thing is that in posts about Korea, advisers negotiate with enemies gain a bunch of approving advantages, and in posts about the Russian Federation these advantages are received by people who correctly state that it is impossible to believe agreements with NATO countries, states, etc.)) and these people condemn someone for politics double standards?
  • treskoed
    treskoed April 5 2013 07: 47 New
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    They are not preparing for war loudly! But Kim will achieve his goal. I believe that in the near future North Korea will be offered another humanitarian aid.
  • horoh
    horoh April 5 2013 07: 57 New
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    Well, they scared the Americans, well, they want to eat in North Korea. Instead of f-22, it’s better to throw more grub. winked
  • Army1
    Army1 April 5 2013 08: 36 New
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    Wait and see. but the Far East didn’t catch the main thing, pah pah pah.
  • Nickanor
    Nickanor April 5 2013 08: 56 New
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    Talk about some kind of targeted aggression from the DPRK, IMHO, nonsense. In the situation in which it is located, threats against South Korea and the USA are the only way to survive. They are really afraid! Window dressing of these missiles or not is a moot point, but it’s better not to check. Without these threats and missiles, the DPRK would have long shared the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq and many others. Something like that, I think.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 09: 24 New
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      sorry, I wanted to plyusanut and "missed"))
      and help as such could not be provided, it would be enough just not to interfere) and then the north would establish its economy
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 14: 02 New
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      DPRK would have long shared the fate of Yugoslavia

      it seems to me that the point is not in the possible presence / absence of nuclear weapons, but in the motivation of the soldiers. Amer is most afraid of such an enemy. And in a peculiar locality. There are mountains. In the mountains with zelenka, and with holes for hundreds of kilometers ... to fight is like storming a fortress ... You can’t get a lot of planes alone, but soldiers rushing to give their souls for Uncle Syom, in omerig - a cat wept ...
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 56 New
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        Sorry for the flood, but a lot of people here say that the soldiers are always hungry and their families are the same. Yes, and they are fighting with junk for their "hog" hated. So what kind of motivation are you talking about? According to local "analysts", the army will run away at the first volley. only something the Koreans do not know about this and are stubbornly preparing to defend themselves)
  • Vladimir 70
    Vladimir 70 April 5 2013 09: 20 New
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    Not enthusiastic about North Korean ideology. But the article says: In the event of the beginning of full-scale hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, US bases located on Japanese territory will be considered as targets for missile attacks from the DPRK. What is wrong here? It turns out that European people can bomb the sovereign state in the Stone Age, and the rest can not be protected. Well, North Koreans do not have conventional weapons sufficient to protect themselves from external aggression. We open the Military Doctrine of Russia and read: Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against her and (or) her allies, as well as in the case of aggression against Russia using conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 11: 37 New
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      Vladimir, + to you. I’m glad that at least someone thinks, and it’s useless to explain to many here, they “agree”. At one time they agreed before the collapse of the USSR. What will fall apart further?
    2. Danash I
      Danash I April 5 2013 22: 55 New
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      Vladimir 70 + to you. There is such a document! and it is a pity that some (even the military on the site) did not read it. Well, you can’t lead the army and the state from the kitchen. There is a central office and an office in the Kremlin for this. Information in the kitchen and central office is of different quality.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 09: 20 New
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    Quote: Nickanor
    . In the situation in which it is located, threats against South Korea and the USA are the only way to survive. They are really afraid!



    And no one does not think that this “Un” just doesn’t feel very confident on his throne, and thus he is trying to strengthen his position INSIDE the country ...
    1. Delta
      Delta April 5 2013 13: 29 New
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      and so it can be. Something similar was observed in Argentina, before the Falkland conflict.
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother April 5 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: svp67
    And no one does not think that this “Un” just doesn’t feel very confident on his throne, and thus he is trying to strengthen his position INSIDE the country ...

    I will join this opinion. The young grandfather's grandfather and dad were Personalities, and he clearly complexes against them. As if not playing too much ...
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 18: 59 New
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      Well, are you a psychologist, is there a diploma? By the way, are you not complex about the fact that you are an average brother? It seems to me that you are splashing out your complexes so that your older brother, God forbid, not see. Only now I'm not a psychologist and I write "it seems", and you say so decisively.
      1. Middle-brother
        Middle-brother April 6 2013 01: 02 New
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        fartfraer
        I am not a psychologist, I consider psychology a pseudoscience. Probably, at the end of my tirade, it was necessary to add IMHO or something like that. Sinful, og tongue
        Can you tell about your nickname? And then I'm without a diploma.
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 6 2013 10: 33 New
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          my nickname is simple)) from my youth) he is a compound "lucky" and "fraer"
          lucky not in honor of the film of the same name, but simply a shorter designation of "lucky", well, fraer .. like many young people (even before the deadline) people were fascinated by thug romance, hooligan in youth from a small mind and are incredibly grateful to the army and its political leader Mr. Kovaly (on an urgent basis) and Art. ln Andrei Gernyk (on a contract) for having a huge positive effect on my upbringing.
          here is a short story of my nickname. Regards hi
  • dmn2
    dmn2 April 5 2013 09: 59 New
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    There is an opinion that this game between the DPRK and the USA has the goal of imposing Russia on radar and missile defense systems from the east. And the DPRK attacks on the USA are a reason for this. More details here - http://telegrafist.org/2013/03/27/47862/
  • Romn
    Romn April 5 2013 10: 00 New
    +1
    He certainly goes too far and apparently does not understand all the responsibility lying on him. But we must pay tribute, the United States, along with Koreans and Japanese, ofigeli from him! No one has ever said such a thing to them! smile
  • Jimm RAINOR
    Jimm RAINOR April 5 2013 10: 12 New
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    Quote: Sasha
    And I like him .. I put it on everyone and does what I need. And he does not listen to "friends" and "partners" Unlike the "slave on the galleys" and the "guarantor" in combination.


    Oh, who’s independent ...... Hitler also behaved odiously ... while the British handed over to him either Czechoslovakia or Poland and then France ..... Exactly the same "independent" was ...

    I won’t be surprised if all these performances by the Korean leader are such a theatrical performance so that the Americans have a reason in the Asian region to build up a naval group and put pressure on China .....

    And about his independence - laughter in the hall ..... he will strike ... then roll him out into a radioactive glass ....
    I remember Krylov had this: "Ah, MOSKA know she is strong .... since barks at an elephant"))))))
    1. amp
      amp April 5 2013 10: 52 New
      +1
      I won’t be surprised if all these performances by the Korean leader are such a theatrical performance so that the Americans have a reason in the Asian region to build up a naval group and put pressure on China .....

      They do not need any reason.
    2. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 57 New
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      ". it will strike ... then roll it into radioactive glass ...." - it’s good that you are not the president of the Russian Federation, otherwise in the war with Georgia we would not only not stand up for our peacekeepers, but would also give North Ossetia only there would be no war.
  • Black Colonel
    Black Colonel April 5 2013 10: 13 New
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    And it wouldn’t be possible to build together with the South Koreans some kind of livestock and industrial enterprises in exchange for reducing the intensity of relations. I am sure that the South Koreans are tired of living in tensions next to a restless neighbor and would have reached such a consensus. But this does not happen on any side. This means that someone needs this state of affairs in this region, and this situation is being fueled in every way. And the interest here is most in stellate whales to have their own aircraft and control (influence) this region.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 55 New
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      Colonel, and the North Koreans are not tired of living next to the "calm" provocateur neighbor?
  • Adorofeev63
    Adorofeev63 April 5 2013 10: 15 New
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    Interestingly, the Americans are training infantry in the Middle East, and missiles will be trained to shoot down over the countries, good experience, and the verification is excellent.
  • amp
    amp April 5 2013 10: 50 New
    +1

    This is about 800 people. while southerners have about 000.
    North Korea may well attack.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 44 New
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      how is it? the starving and the oppressed turned out to be more prosperous and advanced? Well, okay, it does happen. However, the technically advanced southern army is not afraid even once) 800 poorly armed, unfashionably dressed, always hungry soldiers with primitive rockets do not pose a threat to one of the leaders in electronics, and even with the support of the states. I understand from komentov. so why are they, southerners these, so long preparing to conquer these "natives with spears"?
    2. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 45 New
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      “The DPRK may well attack.” - you are not a zombie (I’m not insulting, I just haven’t picked up another word)? It’s the south that speaks of the first strike, why are you stubbornly blaming the north for this?
      1. cdrt
        cdrt April 5 2013 21: 35 New
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        And why the explanation does not fit that the whole world taught history well and remembers what happened on 25.06.1950/XNUMX/XNUMX wink therefore, it is SC
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 22: 13 New
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          this is right, and here I agree without irony. It only remains to explain why the Amers are not afraid of the country, the only one to use nuclear weapons “for the intended purpose.” Well, sorry, distracted.
          if one state is afraid of another, then it should be ready to respond to aggression, have enough strength and means to respond so that it doesn’t seem a little. Do you agree with this? I hope so. Now, when does one state declare a desire to inflict a preemptive strike against another, then the other should react with a statement of possible retaliation, I think so. Let’s clarify, intentionally do not name the states, substitute any US and Russia, the European Union and Syria, North and South Korea, Japan and China. The list goes on , claims from each other around the world are many. and so, just take the first pair of countries as an example. Suppose that the United States says that Russia should be bombed in the name of democracy. Russia replies that "you can try, but so ... among other things, we have something to answer, and even nuclear missiles are encountered in the army. "Will Russia condemn you?
          we take another pair of EU countries that is outraged by the suppression of the Syrian army by the “rebels” (bandits in fact) and threatens to use force. Is it worth it to “tighten the tail” and follow the path of Europe, or should it be stated that they are ready to defend with arms in hand their independence in decision-making, both internal and external?
          after that, let's listen to your answer and your opinion on the hypothetical options that I wrote about and then together we will think about what the DPRK reaction should have been.
          1. BruderV
            BruderV April 5 2013 22: 30 New
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            Quote: fartfraer
            What should have been the reaction of the DPRK.

            Question reaction to what? There are no statements from the United States or South Caucasus about attacks on the DPRK. Or in response to border exercises, do you need a vigorous loaf in response to charge? Flying there B-52 did not fly over their territory who knows? Only now, something recently, the South Caucasus is not drowning corvettes and shelling islands, but quite the contrary. In principle, both for the corvette and for the island, it would have long been possible for the kings to tap the starlight as it should, but for some reason the south suffers.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 18 New
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              I remember about the islands, huh) I just remember the northerners said that it was a response to the shelling from these islands. Well, here you can approach selectively and ignore the northerners, otherwise you will have to reconsider your attitude to the media, right?
              “The B-52 flew there; it did not fly over their territory; who knows?” - they know and talk about it. Do you know what did not fly?
              http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2013/04/01_a_5223105.shtml
              read the link) it really turns out that both countries are not going to strike the first blow, however, it is written about the preventive strike of the south)
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer April 5 2013 11: 01 New
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    but why are you criticized on this site? here is the question))
    1-probably for his threat in the event of an attack to use against the states (including) missiles with nuclear (possibly) ammunition? The criticism is justified, given how many statements I read here, "they’ll climb to the RF, they’ll get" poplar ".
    2-for power blackmail? Justified! This is where it’s been seen to demand something threatening with force, etc.! For some reason they forget about gas blackmail by Ukraine, about American aircraft carriers around the world, about the exercises of the Russian Federation and the statement about the presence of our fleet in the Mediterranean Sea (showed that it is worth reckoning with us that not all polymers are tarnished).
    3-yn ate everyone, a fat Korean. And it’s true, it’s necessary, he’s fat, and the Koreans eat 400 g of rice a day in all. The criticism is fair. Most likely, those who don’t eat, but give the last to homeless tribesmen, who rejoices at the president buying a camera for 100 tyrov, who has adopted ten homeless children. I shake your hand in absentia, unknown heroes!
    4- “it's high time to negotiate” many people on this site advise you. Young people, think about the Koreans, about their well-being! What do you advise the Russians, gentlemen-advisers? Agree with the states? And maybe even join them? Or maybe it's time to start the militants to negotiate in the Caucasus? you don’t have to blow up on Wednesdays, but can you blow it up on Saturday twice? you’re subtle politicians, I’m glad that you are ready to negotiate with everyone even at a loss. It’s a pity that you’re not like that.
    "you go over to the person" they say)) aw, guys)) but do you not discuss the personality of the Korean leader? do you write on a public resource of the global network?)) so why can you and I can’t?
    and finally, I didn’t want to offend anyone with my comments, but I want to ask the members of the forum to think with my own head, and not to joke on a small country that turned out to be bold enough to contradict the “world democratizer” alone
    1. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 5 2013 14: 05 New
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      and what is criticized on this site by you


      for the face is wider than the back. at least on a diet, for the sake of decency .... but here the mentality ... not only the Turks have a stomach - a sign of wealth ... what to do ... they live in the Middle Ages ...

      Wahhabis and other irreconcilable Aum synriconists (and other sotonists), the SACREDLY BELIEVE their confessors.
      Do we take them as an example of devotion to duty?
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 05 New
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        but, it’s all in the face)) thanks for the explanation. Primakov down from politics, etc. where he rubs there, ish what, he’s also muggy. By the way, didn’t you pay attention to the shaman, Troshev (the kingdom to him is heaven-general from God)? thin. so what? are you against the shaman in the army?
        you can take an example from the Wahhabis in this regard — fidelity to duty (although they understand it “in a peculiar way”) and the idea is that you can’t buy such a thug for chewing gum. although you can’t explain it to you, you can just buy it and you will change your mind. I won’t buy it, do not need.
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 5 2013 23: 15 New
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          First of all.
          Shamans, Troshev - are written with a capital letter. These are surnames. Yes, and deserved the deeds that they would write with the Title.
          Second.
          They are Slavs. For us, this face shape, by the age of 50, is a common occurrence, and not an exception. Thanks grandfathers! For they didn’t starve for centuries and didn’t use cockroaches and other reptiles to write with hunger ... That they, in adulthood, overgrown their belly in adulthood, have a right. Their track record allows. For the homeland served.
          And the young Eun, like a tanned Saray Obama, well, the one who "received the Proc." Peace Prize ... Ever been obese or in reserve? Ile managed to make a feat? oh - born in the right family. Feat pancake.

          a thug can't be bought for chewing gum.

          Why pay? Enough IDEAS in which he will believe. Do not you get it or read little books?

          you can just buy

          again:
          Do not draw conclusions for me and I will not tell you where to go. Do you agree?
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 42 New
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            I agree about the generals, here your comments are justified.
            I’m already tired of writing about it, but I’ll write it again from the principle — it doesn’t matter what system in Korea is and who leads it, but whoever it is and how they live is their personal business and their personal problems, so far they didn’t attack. as soon as they show aggression I will immediately write a koment condemning them all and in particular, but if they commit aggression against them, I personally will understand all their actions aimed at protecting their state.
            and again, I repeat, I like that the small country under the blockade has not broken down and continues to pursue an independent policy. And until it attacks, I will like it.
            “There is enough IDEA in which he will believe. Don’t you cut into books or read a little?” - quite right, the idea, the purpose of life, as you like. But to live, and even more so to fight without an idea, is not an option at all, such a soldier is not just incapable, He is dangerous. Do you understand what I mean?
        2. SIT
          SIT April 6 2013 00: 10 New
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          Quote: fartfraer
          Wahhabis can take an example in this regard, fidelity to duty (even though they understand it “in a peculiar way”) and the idea is that you can’t buy such a thug for chewing gum

          Yeah, they definitely won’t go for chewing gum. Less than 500 bucks for laying a land mine is useless. No one will do it. While there are no bucks, they are slowly robbing their racket, but how did the Saudi bucks flow immediately to Allahu Akbar and go on declaring jihad to infidels.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 6 2013 00: 39 New
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            I agree) they just gave them an example, I had to answer accordingly. in this case, the image is collective. And the "paid soldiers" are precisely the most unprincipled warriors, which we are "called upon" to do.
            hope for understanding
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 6 2013 01: 37 New
            +1
            Less than 500 bucks for laying a land mine is useless.

            No, not like that. Less than believing in the opportunity to earn .... yes, at least five times five hundred bucks ...
            Chechen fake bucks remember with dope? The same is in Syria.
            Why pay a dumb, one-time hobbit if it was written off before the Army multiplied by zero? Only as a "lure" for other sincere idiots. What would the legends go about "real earnings". That’s where the money comes from, it’s the “field commanders”. From that sometimes they fight among themselves ....
      2. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 53 New
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        “because the face is wider than the backside.” -chavez was also not thin ..
        1. dmitreach
          dmitreach April 5 2013 23: 20 New
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          Chavez has done a lot for the country. To spite the adversary. He is loved for deeds, not for passport the fact of birth in the holy family.
          He actually got into prison (he could have been shot), took a chance and took responsibility when he organized an upheaval. I didn’t run like BAB & ko, but TAKED RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF for trying to seize power by the military. Already for this fact, he would have considered it an honor and would have told his grandchildren if he had been lucky to shake his hand. He is a true LEADER. Not that fake - Eun. Never.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 44 New
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            read above, I wrote to you that I personally do not care, I asked why they didn’t like (not claiming to love) they said "for a fat face". I gave examples of people with thick faces and it turned out that the face had nothing to do with it)
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 5 2013 11: 14 New
    +2
    Not all information is leaked to the media. The bottom line is in the shade. In fact: there is a conflict of 3,14 - hedge (both from the DPRK and from the side of their opponents - USA, Kazakhstan, Japan). The worst part is that in this situation, we (Russia) do not have real levers of influence on it (such a picture is composed of messages from the same media). And with any way out of this situation (war or another compromise solution, read - "appeasement" of the next KIM, along the DPRK-USA line), Russia does not gain anything, but can only lose. Conclusion: the leadership of our country and its military and foreign affairs agencies need to work out several scenarios of impact on the situation, to our, Russian benefit, first of all, not hypothetical, but one that can really be extracted ...
    Of course, this requires the political will of our leadership. This was a general discussion. But! Apparently (the management is too complacent and calm and is engaged in other matters), three options are possible:
    1. Either it has absolutely accurate information that the next psychosis will be curtailed by a certain date and everything will settle down again;
    2. Either the leadership (together with the leadership of the PRC or without it, although there has recently been a meeting of top officials and sensible behind-the-scenes information is nowhere to be found) secretly “leads” (controls) this situation, coupled with the process of its possible development;
    3. Either "hell doesn’t own anything, does not control, does not influence", but stupidly hopes for Russian chance ...
    In the last paragraph I can not believe it. And you?..
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 5 2013 11: 45 New
      +4
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      2. Either the leadership (together with the leadership of the PRC or without it, although there has recently been a meeting of top officials and sensible behind-the-scenes information is nowhere to be found) secretly “leads” (controls) this situation, coupled with the process of its possible development;


      Judging by the latest quiet gestures of the Chinese, this option is the most realistic. Without agreement with Russia, they would not quietly build up their shock fist in Liaoing. And this process began just in time after the visit of Comrade Sitzzipin to Russia. Since the end of March.
      The Chinese would never dare to play muscle near Vladivostok without consulting with Russia, why would they need extra problems?
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 5 2013 14: 14 New
        +1
        there is still the 4th scenario, the most dangerous:
        a'la Sykoshvilli.
        Only this time, Kimushka, can China and Russia substitute, unlike 888..

        "appeasement" of the next KIM,

        becomes a tradition, because I don’t see any alternatives. Unfortunately.
  • Starksa
    Starksa April 5 2013 11: 36 New
    +3
    How long does he think
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 12: 19 New
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      how did it upset you)) it remains to clarify what exactly was outraged, what "for a long time" or what "thinks"?
      1. Delta
        Delta April 5 2013 12: 36 New
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        Quote: fartfraer
        how did it upset you)) it remains to clarify what exactly was outraged, what "for a long time" or what "thinks"?

        here it’s rather different - all sane people understand that he does not think to attack or not and does not think when to do it. It’s about the fact that Eun is bargaining for grub
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 13: 13 New
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          ) we return to the question of the blockade of the DPRK) would allow them to trade, would not receive an increase in tension.
          what kind of attack are you talking about if you insist that you won’t be the first to attack? moreover, he repeated it many times)) and even said the words about “drowning the enemy in the sea” at the coastal defense exercises)) not at the exercises of special forces or tankers, but the coastal DEFENSE) since when is the defense of your state equated to bargaining for grub and the threat of Muir?
          1. Delta
            Delta April 5 2013 13: 26 New
            +2
            and where does he (or you — a fierce supporter) have information that an attack is being prepared on the DPRK ??? or, has it already taken place? here is a surprise. or is it just paranoia? no - this is blackmail, for every state has defense. But not every state is positioning itself in such a way that almost the whole world perceives it as an aggressor (everything is out of step, and you and Eun keep up) and prepare UN resolutions one after another
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 21 New
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              “(or you — a fierce supporter)” - he already said, but I have to repeat, I am his supporter in terms of conducting an independent policy, just as I am a supporter of Lukashenko and Chavez (I hope the Bolivars will not betray his course), as well as a supporter of independence of politics disintegrated union.
              back to blackmail — the promise of a RESPONSE blow is blackmail? are you not a politician? otherwise you are saying one thing and you perceive it somehow “between business and not so.”
              1. Delta
                Delta April 5 2013 20: 49 New
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                Quote: fartfraer
                Is the promise of a RESPONSE blow is blackmail?

                retaliatory strike by nuclear weapons. Forgot to add. And where did you see the statements of South Korea, the United States or some other country that the DPRK would be conquered, that someone was going to start a war against them? what is the DPRK responding to?
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 5 2013 21: 38 New
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                  but where did you see the use of nuclear weapons? and about the first strike of the south, as an option, it is written in this post (for example). So that you are not looking for a hint, at the very end.
                  if it’s difficult for you to perceive large texts, let's write shortly (a series of questions no more than 10 words. after each question I will give the opportunity to think and answer)
                  let's start
                  in which case does a nuclear-weapon state have the right to use it?
          2. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 5 2013 14: 24 New
            +2
            Well, spruces, again about Feberger ...
            they would allow them to trade, they would not receive an increase in tension


            Russia - Belarus Union State?
            Spiritually, ideologically close?
            Belarusians starving?
            Do not go to Russia?
            Belarusian firms do not exist in nature?
            In Belarus, hell and death?

            fuck !!!! am
            WHAT INTERFERES COMMUNIST CHINA TO DEVELOP ECONOMIC RELATIONS WITH DPRK????????
            ....... DPRK policy......

            Threat. With a neighbor - Russia, Vera does not order to develop the economy of the DPRK? ... Or are the Evil Imperialists?
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 08 New
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              )) Well, you’ll hit the target directly)) the counter example-the Russian Federation refused at the time to deliver the already paid air defense systems to Iran. why?
              By the way, who told you that they are against trade with the Russian Federation?
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 21: 52 New
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                Yes, and China is unclear what is preparing in this mess
              2. dmitreach
                dmitreach April 5 2013 23: 35 New
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                against trade with the Russian Federation

                Before you dash off the answer, read the post of the opponent thoughtfully.
                develop development according to Ozhegov's dictionary:
                DEVELOPMENT, 1st, cf. 2. see develop2, -sya2. 3. The process of natural change, the transition from one state to another, more perfect; the transition from the old qualitative state to the new, from simple to complex, from lower to higher. Laws of social development. XNUMX. The degree of consciousness, enlightenment, culture. High mental p.


                with a neighbor - Russia, develop the economy DPRK Faith does not order?
                1. fartfraer
                  fartfraer April 6 2013 00: 15 New
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                  yes, the conversation with you takes on a different meaning) let's discuss Ozhegov’s dictionary. can you start a short course of lectures? when the author of the dictionary was born, where did he study? and then according to plan.
                  then try without tyrn-hints to write which side you stuck it to the post about the situation in the bark. I believe that you will succeed. By the way, I also advise you to read something about the logic, compare the characteristics of the k-701 and the pine tree, study questions about spider healers and isopod life. and then, perhaps, you will again be interested in the topic of Korean relations and the problem of resolving the old conflict.
          3. Klim
            Klim April 5 2013 23: 09 New
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            You are minus either the jerks born in times of "freedom" or our notorious hamster class.
            1. fartfraer
              fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 48 New
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              it’s nice to get support from Kazakhstan) I was born there) and I’m exactly on the minuses, I’m not the first day in tyrnets. I’m just adding my favorite or negative, but only obvious fascism and intentional insults, which I advise all my “admirers”)
            2. dmitreach
              dmitreach April 6 2013 15: 45 New
              +1
              Klim, and the Cossacks (Quiet Don novel by M. Sholokhov) are hamsters?
              They have a yard and a cow and a horse ....
  • Vtel
    Vtel April 5 2013 14: 30 New
    -2
    In vain do the Amero Yankees underestimate Kim Jong-un, can they have IT?
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 5 2013 14: 44 New
      +2
      only Russian demobility has such weapons and only on the photo in demobilization albums!
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 16 New
        -3
        what pride in words) why are you silent and don’t talk about the collapse of the Russian army based on this photo?
  • smershspy
    smershspy April 5 2013 14: 56 New
    +4
    Sorry for him! So young yet!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 17 New
      -3
      why is it a pity? should young people in all respects yield to pressure from outside? is he the head of state and acts in the interests of the state
      1. albanech
        albanech 6 June 2013 11: 51 New
        +2
        He does not act in the interests of the state - the people! It's ridiculous! laughing
  • Kuzkin Batyan
    Kuzkin Batyan April 5 2013 15: 57 New
    +3
    North Korea asks Russia to take out ambassadors. It seems they’re not bluffing, actually decided to shy away?
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 27 New
      -4
      what adequate response should there be during an attack? I just asked for fun. if the Russian Federation strikes in response to this is normal (for example, the war with Georgia)? and if the European Union strikes in response to the attack? so what makes you so surprised at the decision to strike back from the EU?
      By the way, here in Syria and the Caucasus, the militants are crawling, what kind of adequate response should they give? a letter of thanks? Yes, no question, only it should be scratched on the missile's warhead, and if their addressees have time to read
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 5 2013 16: 32 New
    +4
    I may be wrong, but it seems that the United States and others like them are deliberately bringing the situation in Korea to such a state that it is possible to deliver a preventive strike against North Korea, save yourself from a constant headache and at the same time look in the eyes of the world community as a savior of mankind. Everything is as old as the world. It is bad that the head of North Korea is young and is being conducted on chaff. But the whole situevina is such that it is enough for someone to fart loudly and everything will fly to this very mother. Then everyone will get it: those who are nearby, and those who seem to be far away. Chernobyl and Fukushima seem like flowers
  • Drappier
    Drappier April 5 2013 16: 55 New
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    I thought that the military of North Korea will quickly strangle fat and something like a military junta will be organized there. Ann no, the fat one himself slammed a couple of soldiers from the mortar, continuing the "glorious" Kim dynasty.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 52 New
      +1
      but I thought when marches of Nazi veterans marched in the Baltic states that the politwe and Latvia and Estonia would work with tornadoes, "dots" and "Iskander", and they, cunning, lay down under Europe and cannot be touched
      1. Drappier
        Drappier April 5 2013 21: 48 New
        -1
        What should I answer? laughing I can only, well, no matter how it is in Lithuania, the Nazi veterans are not marching in view of absence, as for the other two neighbors, I absolutely do not care if they march there or not, this is their business, they can even erect a monument to Hitler’s backside and go to bow to him and kiss wassat well, and to summarize, tell me, isn’t Mother Russia itself comic, as you said, to work out from “points”, “tornadoes” and “Iskander”? hi
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 5 2013 22: 21 New
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          “What should I answer?” - nothing, I didn’t ask you anything
          "But isn’t Mother Russia itself comic, as you said, to work from the" points "," tornadoes "and" Iskander "?" - now it’s not, we have work for specialists, explosives, the FSB, but so far we’ll hit the areas for defeat nowhere. even though point weapons ("dots" and "iskanders") would sometimes not be in the way, I think. hi
    2. Kalita
      Kalita April 5 2013 20: 30 New
      -1
      Dear, it’s technically impossible to “bang with a mortar” someone personally. Do not read American newspapers ..
  • rexby63
    rexby63 April 5 2013 17: 18 New
    0
    And why did the bulk of the local "stratig" and "onolitega" decide that Kim Jong-un has an aggravation? Do you want to think so? Indeed - it’s easier, and at first glance - safer. But this is only at first glance. No one thought that over the past few years they have been trying to make Czechoslovakia pour 38th from North Korea? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I have paranoia, but to say that the United States is driven only by love for one's neighbor (South Korea) is already schizophrenia. And if, after all, he doesn’t move, then there can be no two guilty in any case. Someone to blame anyway
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 11 New
      -4
      “And why did the bulk of the local“ stratigos ”and“ onolitegs ”decide that Kim Jong-un has an aggravation?” -Because they said this on tyrnet or TV, which means all is true) and they were forbidden to think, and even if they think it in no case do not speak out.
  • svp67
    svp67 April 5 2013 17: 18 New
    +1
    Well, the DPRK authorities have suggested that foreign states evacuate their embassies, which is all "really honest"
  • Budilnik
    Budilnik April 5 2013 17: 22 New
    0
    Forgot Libya Iraq? Gaddafi was reckless in 2004 to say that he was not interested in the nuclear program. I then thought: well, you p ... c, why should you say that you have oil. Moreover, he began to unite the peoples of Africa. for decency, the western cesspool, led by the usa, waited a few years and then ... you know. it’s good that the Koreans do not have oil and people would survive for a long time. very hardworking and friendly people and more decent than the Chinese who set fire to forests for the purpose of subsequent processing of wood. they would be allowed to go and not the Chinese to develop q east.
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer April 5 2013 17: 44 New
    -2
    It's time for China to quietly change this permanent Kim dynasty. He can only forever shake a nuclear baton (which may not even exist at all) and expect that he will not be slammed when the opportunity arises.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 19: 14 New
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      how decisive you are. amazed to the depths of your soul. maybe Turkey should change the politicians of Ukraine or change the states by quiet assassins? and when in comments on this site the Russian "patriots" are shaking with a nuclear club (in quotation marks it’s clear why?) that it’s time to quietly change the power of Putin?
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer April 7 2013 15: 38 New
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        What kind of stream of consciousness? And here is Ukraine, Putin, Assad and Russian patriots? The problem of the DPRK is discussed.
  • Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 5 2013 19: 08 New
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    JUCHE: the goal is to build "socialism based on self-reliance"

    Basic Provisions
    • The masses are the subject of the social movement.
    • A nation with a high sense of national pride and revolutionary dignity is invincible.
    • In contrast to the capitalist economy, seeking profit, the main goal of a socialist independent economy is to meet the needs of the country and population.
    • The people of each country must fight not only against aggression and enslavement, for the consistent defense of their independence, but also against imperialism and dominance, which encroach on the independence of the peoples of other countries.
    • To establish a nation-wide and state-wide defense system, it is necessary to arm the whole people and turn the whole country into FORTRESS.
    • A revolution is a struggle for the realization by the masses of their needs for independence.
    • Sitting idly by, waiting until all the necessary conditions have matured, is tantamount to abandoning the revolution.
    • To develop a correct view of the revolution, it is required it is imperative to put in the basis of upbringing a feeling of selfless devotion to the leader.

    • Philosophical views
    • Man is the ruler of the world and the master of his fate;
    • Consciousness - the highest function of the human brain;
    • Nature - the object of human labor and the material source of human life;
    • A person who has become infected with servility ceases to adequately perceive reality.
    (from Wikipedia)
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 20: 26 New
      -1
      “In order to establish a nation-wide and state-wide defense system, it is necessary to arm the whole people and turn the whole country into FORTRESS.” - here many commentators dream of disarming their countries and in every possible way yield to those who are stronger) yes, we are far from the Juche.
      “A person infected with cringing ceases to adequately perceive reality.” - as correctly noted)
      “it is necessary to put the feeling of selfless devotion to the leader as the basis of upbringing.” - they are in vain, but if they served “democracies”, they would have the right to steal, distribute their lands, kidnap people in other countries and deliver them to torture in their so ... get for their juche from the democrats with the tacit consent of the "consumers"
    2. BruderV
      BruderV April 5 2013 21: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: Navy7981
      JUCHE:

      So what is the fundamental difference from Hitler's National Socialism? Or was Hitler proposing to burn Jews and gypsies in the 30s? Yes, no, the ideology before the war was more or less peaceful, and therefore they collaborated with Germany. About concentration camps in general, only in the 44-45th it became known.
      "A nation with a high sense of national pride and revolutionary dignity is invincible."
      It is clear what kind of nation in this case we are talking about, and since everyone else is defeated, it will not be difficult for an invincible one to lead the rest to a correct ideology.
      "The people of each country must fight not only against aggression and enslavement, for the consistent defense of their independence, but also against imperialism and dominationism, which encroach on the independence of the peoples of other countries"
      And how does this fit with propaganda videos where the DPRK burns Washington and crushes South Korea? These theses contradict themselves. That is, either the whole world must constantly be in a state of the Cold War, holding half a country under arms and waiting for someone to strike first, or the whole world should defeat the ideas of the chichigaga and it’s clear that it’s not in a peaceful way and then prosperity will come on the planet and understandably whose beginning.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer April 5 2013 21: 45 New
        -1
        or the whole world should "lie" under democratic America and be silent .. or the whole world should learn Chinese and build communism in the Chinese version ..
        let’s decipher your opinion — the internal affairs of the country are its personal affairs (it doesn’t matter what the system is, who is in power), but as soon as it shows aggression it needs to be “educated”.
        any state has the right to defense
        this is short, I will not expand the answer, you are not dumber than me and you will understand everything
        1. BruderV
          BruderV April 5 2013 22: 13 New
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          Quote: fartfraer
          any state has the right to defense

          Well, what is defense? All countries arm themselves for defense, why then someone is advancing unclear. Eun started all this mask show because of the supposedly flight of the B-52 over their territory. And he was, was not - his xs. Now it’s everywhere written that Hitler imitated the attack of Poland, disguising the convicts as Polish soldiers, and if Germany had won, then Poland would have been the aggressor in the annals of history.
          Quote: fartfraer
          the country's internal affairs are its personal affairs. (it doesn’t matter what kind of system there is, who is in power)

          And how would you comment on Finland in the 39th and 40th and Afghanistan in the 79th? Aggression, imperialism, aggression? What was their aggression? Or say that there was a bunch of sacred nuances? Then do not blame others for double standards. One question can not be answered. If Eun completely disperses and begins to sell warheads to all sorts of Georgia, Iran or anyone else to sell, will your line remain unshakable? And the ships with missiles were already intercepted by the way.
          1. fartfraer
            fartfraer April 5 2013 22: 38 New
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            You won’t believe it, but I consider the Finnish war and the Afghan as aggression. We don’t discuss what the reasons were, but in fact it was an attack on other states. That’s why I have refuted your accusation of double standards.
            I’ll probably answer the question that I don’t have to answer — if a peace system has been created in which only the presence of nuclear weapons can stop the aggressor, then any state will seek to get it, or get an ally with nuclear weapons. not a fiction, but a really functioning organization. As long as this is not there, I will respect the right of any state to protect its sovereignty, including nuclear weapons.
            Well, with regards to Georgia, the presence of nuclear weapons saved the Russian Federation from "collapse" with the help of the West during the Chechen wars, Georgia does not have nuclear weapons and therefore it has a branch with the help of the Russian Federation of Ossetia and Abkhazia. I hope I answered your question
            1. BruderV
              BruderV April 5 2013 22: 55 New
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              Quote: fartfraer
              while this is not there, I will respect the right of any state to protect its sovereignty, including nuclear weapons.

              One problem. To take Pakistan today in power is the secular leadership, and tomorrow the next Islamic revolution and hello, the Taliban’s warheads can fly to Moscow. And as you say, they only respond to aggression when there are already ruins and ashes around, right? And if nuclear weapons appear in Africa somewhere, then this is not just one macaque with a grenade, but the equivalent of several million.
              1. fartfraer
                fartfraer April 5 2013 23: 54 New
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                let me answer this way, there are only two options. either yours or the one we would have observed if there had been no nuclear weapons at anyone other than the Russian Federation, NATO and the states. the dictatorship of the "democratizers" over the whole world with all the consequences.
                ideally, it would be better for nuclear weapons and so forth. WMD would not be at all. but this is currently not possible, alas.
  • Kalita
    Kalita April 5 2013 20: 08 New
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    If you look closely at Un's photos, then somehow the question of mental health arises by itself. He, after all, may well believe in his own universal greatness; from early childhood he was told everything about him in a row. So the result of the current hysteria can be disastrous.
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 5 2013 20: 20 New
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      if you read your koment you can think the same thing about you. just observation, not "hitting" in any case.
      But if you look at Assad? Or Lukoshenko, then you will not have such a thought?
  • Bob
    Bob April 5 2013 20: 16 New
    +2
    It seems that this is not a confrontation between North and South Korea, and in this "game" other bets and players - the USA and China - the first and second economies of the world, both countries declared the Asia-Pacific Region - a zone of their strategic interests. In order to change the situation in a direction that is more advantageous for themselves, and to show who is in the house, the Asia-Pacific Region is the owner, and the above measures are taken. How far can the true parties to the conflict go in defending their interests, the near future will show.
    In favor of this version, at least the fact that last year the Chinese military officials in all seriousness called on the army and navy to prepare for war ....
  • rexby63
    rexby63 April 5 2013 20: 32 New
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    And here is an alternative point of view:

    55 years ago, on January 29, 1958, the United States officially declared that they had dragged nuclear weapons into the southern part of the Korean Peninsula.
    This has become the main cause of the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula.
    As everyone knows, the Korean War (1950-1953) was unleashed by the United States and ended in defeat. American politicians, repenting that they could not use nuclear weapons in this war, after the war they desperately resorted to preparing for a nuclear war. They, openly, ranting that the Korean Peninsula is a “strategically important point”, the corresponding facilities for the use of nuclear weapons, and “an experimental site for nuclear war”, hurried with the import of nuclear weapons into South Korea.
    Thus, by the mid-1970s, South Korea had become the largest nuclear outpost in the Far East. Ronald Dimlons (then a member of the lower house of the US parliament) admitted: "The United States deployed more than 1000 nuclear weapons and 54 aircraft for carrying nuclear bombs in South Korea."
    The United States drew up a series of plans for a nuclear war against the DPRK, relentlessly specified them and put them on a practical plane through various types of militaristic games.
    Each year, together with South Korea, they held joint military maneuvers under various names, for example, Pole Eagle, Ulzhi Focus Lens, Limpek, and Freedom Vener, which involved huge nuclear warfare sufficient to wage one war.
    Thus, the United States has been threatening the DPRK with a nuclear war for more than half a century.
    The DPRK was forced to focus its attention on resolving the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula. Since the US statement on the import of nuclear weapons into South Korea, the DPRK has made every possible effort to resolve the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula. She joined the NPT and the IAEA, signed under the Framework Agreement between the DPRK and the United States. All this was aimed at neutralizing the US nuclear threat and thereby eliminating the possibility of a nuclear war outbreak on the Korean peninsula.
    However, the US nuclear threat to Korea did not decrease, but, on the contrary, increased.
  • rexby63
    rexby63 April 5 2013 20: 33 New
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    When the Korean-American talks opened, the Clinton administration affirmed its position: it will not use armed forces, including nuclear weapons, in Korea, or even threaten them. She also said that she would no longer be hostile to the DPRK.
    However, the overseas monster did not fulfill his promise. The Bush administration, denying all agreements concluded between the DPRK and the United States during the Clinton administration, officially announced that the DPRK is the "axis of evil" and the object of a nuclear preventive strike.
    Korea was forced to withdraw from the NPT and strive to possess a nuclear deterrence force capable of self-defense.
    And at the six-party talks to resolve the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, the United States reiterated that they had no intention of attacking and attacking the DPRK with nuclear or conventional weapons. They have repeatedly expressed their readiness to straighten out mutual relations with the DPRK and turn them into diplomatic ones.
    However, this time they did not keep their word. On the contrary, they increased the dynamics of strangulation of the DPRK, exacerbating the situation on the Korean peninsula to the limit.
    Similar facts show that the main culprit in the emergence of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and the preservation of the escalating tension in this region are none other than the United States, that is, they have the responsibility for the possibility of an outbreak of nuclear war on the Korean peninsula.
    Despite this, the United States is trying to put this responsibility on the DPRK, passing off the truth as truth. According to them, the reason for the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and the aggravation of the situation in this region is connected with the DPRK's withdrawal from the NPT and its nuclear test.
    Their ridiculous statements make everyone think about what the fate of Korea would be and how the situation on the Korean peninsula would develop if Korea did not possess the power of nuclear deterrence.
    Korea would not have escaped the tragic fate of Iraq and Libya, and the Korean peninsula would become the second Balkan peninsula (at the end of the last century) or the second Afghanistan (at the beginning of the new century). In other words, the United States would have long ago unleashed a war on the Korean peninsula. And then such a destructive war, which has not yet experienced humanity.
    However, fortunately, this did not happen. The fact is that the DPRK possessed the power of nuclear deterrence. That is the reason that the DPRK nuclear deterrence force reliably guarantees peace on the Korean Peninsula.
    DPRK, of course, had to have a nuclear deterrence force, but its ultimate goal is the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. She firmly believes that complete denuclearization must be achieved by neutralizing the US nuclear threat and resolving the nuclear issue as a whole on the Korean Peninsula.
    The world community is watching how the United States will react to this.
    It's time for them to take a responsible position. They cannot escape responsibility for the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula.
  • rexby63
    rexby63 April 5 2013 20: 37 New
    +1
    And here is an alternative view of the problem: http://www.og.com.ua/OG-KNDR_9.php
  • sokoloff4791
    sokoloff4791 April 5 2013 21: 56 New
    +1
    HOW TO ALREADY UNDERSTAND! AT THE SAME TIME AND AMERUS CHECKED YES AND EXCEPTIONAL COSTS TO OUR PARTNERS DO NOT HINDER))))))))))
    1. Volkhov
      Volkhov April 6 2013 00: 04 New
      +1
      The problem is that at least at the first stage, the DPRK will deal with the Russian Federation. With a non-nuclear attack to the north, China can remain on the defensive along the border, and the South Caucasus and the United States will sit on the demarcation line ... and there is nothing to stop the Koreans.
      Maybe then China and America will get into a conflict, and maybe they will beware.
  • sokoloff4791
    sokoloff4791 April 5 2013 21: 59 New
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    BTW AGREE TO Bob good
  • воронов
    воронов April 6 2013 00: 41 New
    +1
    In vain, some "wise men" here laugh at the North Koreans soldier
  • Middle-brother
    Middle-brother April 6 2013 01: 15 New
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    it seems to me that by the number of posts and questions, someone "fartfraer" - banal troll. fartfraer, sorry if that hi
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer April 6 2013 10: 26 New
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      no, I'm not a troll, just trying to understand the worldview of the local team)
      I like this site, quite a lot of interesting and close ones to me, a lot of people whose views I share. It was more surprising to get such a reaction to expressing my opinion on this topic, to see blatant rudeness in relation to an unfamiliar and nothing bad RF person (I about you). you correctly noticed I asked a lot of questions. but you should notice that I didn’t get any answers. I dare to remind you that I’ve been sitting on this site for a long time, but you haven’t even seen my nickname before, as you just read and spoke out very much seldom. I ask you to also pay attention that rudeness on my part only goes in response to the rudeness expressed (regardless of my address or on the topic of the post), I try not to start, but I know how, believe me)
      I hope I have at least a little dispelled your doubts about trolling. hi
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 6 2013 15: 21 New
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        But I do not consider you a troll. But the sharpness, in my dispute with you, is caused not by domestic rudeness, but by a specific run over to me about patriotism / for food.
        Maybe we don’t understand each other. But I do not consider fanaticism to be patriotism. Go to fight for your own friends you need to consciously. In adulthood. Understanding the situation and adhering to the principles. And not with brainwashed and Faith in "70 virgins in the luxurious bed of Un." (or other nonsense, identical in essence) Or with the consciousness of the 10th child, as in some gangs in Africa.
        You don’t understand or don’t want to understand this simple truth. I assume that you are being minus for this.
        hi
        1. fartfraer
          fartfraer April 6 2013 16: 32 New
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          ok, I think this is my last koment in this topic.
          I understand you, fanaticism does not approve no less than yours, but! I repeat 10 times is the personal affair of Koreans. And no one in the whole world has the right to dictate to another state how to live and what to pray for. And all state have the right to defend themselves -you. but no one has the right to attack. therefore, if the DPRK is on the defensive (but for now I see the situation like that), then this is their holy right. if the DPRK attacks first, then the retaliatory strike from the south and the states will be quite understandable to me and I personally don’t condemn. all, thank you for your attention, we will meet in other posts
        2. rexby63
          rexby63 April 6 2013 20: 04 New
          +1
          And for a moment, think of Kim Jong-un as a normal person, and not as a monster, abstract yourself so to speak. Or let’s name any politician you respect, of your choice, and I will make a monster out of him for a dispute in two hours. Believe it?
          1. dmitreach
            dmitreach April 7 2013 23: 13 New
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            To some, SukoshviLLi is a hero.
            However, for me personally, he is a clinical ***. I can’t “theoretically” understand and forgive, when things get exposed.
            1. rexby63
              rexby63 April 8 2013 12: 37 New
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              Exactly. But in Georgia he still has a lot of supporters
  • biglow
    biglow April 7 2013 09: 50 New
    +1
    Koreans need to give more obsolete weapons. Better than they will rust
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 7 2013 10: 45 New
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    It seems that the United States began to understand what another bottomless hole they were crawling into and began to quietly win back (or in the ass?) Yes, and Kim thought, having hinted that he would not mind talking directly with the US President. After all, by and large, he has nothing to fight with the United States and its allies. Sa and the situation is not at all what it was during the 1 Korean War Then the USSR stood behind North Korea (which pushed North Korea in the back) and China with its innumerable human resources, and now neither Russia nor China will fight for Kim.
    In general, the situation is very reminiscent of the one before the 1 Chechen War, when Yeltsin’s consent to direct negotiations with Dudaev could be sufficient to prevent the long-term annihilation of each other citizens of the same country. Starting a war is easy, stopping is difficult
  • I think so
    I think so April 7 2013 22: 05 New
    +1
    P.I.Indosnya seems to be preparing for a REAL attack on the DPRK and this is likely to provoke nuclear attacks on Tokyo, Okinawa, possibly even Seoul. As a result, the United States and China will win. The US will win because REAL competitors to US companies in both Korea and Japan will be eliminated. In the event of such a mess, the US will write off its debts. China will win almost because of the same. If Kim has a joker in his sleeve (well, there’s a submarine with a bomb in the port of New York or something exotic), then China is definitely winning. Russia in any of the options-in the fools. Oil prices will collapse and Russia will REALLY starve. Therefore, the local observers of Kim need to think about their food supplies in their own country in Russia, and not in the DPRK ...
  • SlavaP
    SlavaP April 7 2013 22: 36 New
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    In the words of the classics: "I am not a coward, but I am afraid." I do not like the whole story, oh how I do not like it.

    Option one (optimistic): it’s tricky .... e the Chinese decided to feel America for its soft South Korean-Japanese abdomen by the forces of its shock vanguard (I strongly suspect that in fact China’s relationship with its North Korean brothers is much warmer than it is considered to be). Why, and then, that they themselves will soon climb there, so to speak, reconnaissance in battle.
    The second option (pessimistic): in North Korea, things are so bad that Kim has nothing to lose ... what comes of it - I dare not even predict.
    1. rexby63
      rexby63 April 8 2013 12: 25 New
      -1
      Again, their new leader first rolled to Russia. What are they rubbing with GDP? Only they know about it.
  • Glover
    Glover 17 June 2013 10: 13 New
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    He would have an enema! And brainwash!