Spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un

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Since April 1, when humorous rumors about a North Korean rocket attack on an American military base located in South Korea, and even a nuclear strike, caused by an aircraft of the US Air Force that invaded the airspace of peaceful North Korea, were launched on the Internet exchange of unilateral statements of North Korea, the United States, South Korea, Japan, China and other countries, including Russia. However, Kim Jong-un, the leader of the North Korean labor people, as if he did not hear the voice of the world community.



At about the same time as April Fool's morning rumors of twelve missiles fired at the American military base, the North Korean newspaper Nodon Sinmun announced the world about the new goals of the young leader.

In the case of the start of full-scale hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, wrote a newspaper located in the territory of Japan, the US base will be considered as targets for rocket attacks from the DPRK. The Central Press Body of the Workers' Party of Korea clarified: we are talking about the Misawa Air Force Base in Aomori Prefecture (684 km north of Tokyo), the US Navy Yokosuka Base in Kanagawa Prefecture (65 km south of Tokyo) and US military facilities in the southern Japanese prefecture Okinawa.

The words of the leader were also quoted. According to Kim Jong-un, the DPRK "is not going to use nuclear weapon as a commodity for the purchase of American dollars or a bargaining chip for economic aid. " (Of course, with a bit of irony in brackets, Kim Jong-un will use nuclear weapons for its intended purpose - to destroy the imperialist bases).

In principle, Comrade Kim does exactly what he promised to the masters of the imperialists in March. 30 of the DPRK officially announced that the state of “neither war nor peace” ended on the Korean Peninsula. "Relations with South Korea from that moment entered into a state of war," said the North Korean government in this regard. Kim Jong-un said that the strategic line of the Labor Party of Korea would be to simultaneously carry out both economic reconstruction and the development of military nuclear programs.

Obviously, the Americans and South Koreans reacted particularly keenly to such plans of Kim Jong-un.

USA right there threw F-22 «Raptor» fighters to South Korea. The aircraft redeployed from the American airbase Kadena in Japan to the Osan base in South Korea.

A statement was made by John Kerry - the US Secretary of State, who not so long ago replaced Hillary Clinton, but already fully mastered the basic principles of her rhetoric. At a press conference about North Korea, he told the world community that the United States would do everything necessary to protect itself and its allies - South Korea and Japan - from the nuclear threat from the DPRK. The press conference was held after the meeting of Kerry with South Korean Foreign Minister Yun Bye-See, who arrived in Washington on a special visit.

“We are fully prepared and able to do this, and I think that the DPRK understands this,” - said head of American diplomacy, recalling that the United States recently decided to strengthen its missile defense system. In addition, the Pentagon reported that two destroyers were sent to the shores of the Korean Peninsula, equipped with Aegis anti-aircraft missile systems, not to mention the F-22 fighter jets and that the US-South Korean maneuvers were engaged in strategic bombers B-2 and B-52.

Kerry’s speech was also related to the fact that on April X, NUMX, Pyongyang announced its decision to resume operation of all nuclear facilities in Yongbyon. Mr. Kerry said that Washington considers such actions by North Korea to be provocative.

The secretary of state confirmed that "the United States will not accept the DPRK as a nuclear power" and will seek to abandon its military nuclear program in accordance with the resolutions of the UN Security Council. According to him, both the United States and South Korea are convinced that "the Korean Peninsula should be a nuclear-free zone of the world." “And we agreed that improving relations between the North and the South will ultimately help us achieve this goal,” said Kerry.

The head of the South Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs, in turn, noted that the United States and the Republic of Korea decided to "further strengthen" the general potential of "deterring nuclear and conventional provocations from North Korea." The Minister noted the progress made in advancing the plan of “active deterrence” prepared by the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Korea and allowing the country's armed forces to launch preventive strikes against North Korea while identifying signs of a nuclear missile attack.

The theme was continued by White House spokesman Jay Carney. At a press conference, when the possible resumption of the nuclear reactor at Yongbyon was discussed, he said: “It's no secret that China has a potential impact on North Korea. We have already called for and again urge China to try to influence the DPRK. In addition, we call on Russia. ”

A spokesman for the White House called North Korea’s statement “further evidence” that Pyongyang “is violating its international obligations.” “We, of course, are taking the steps necessary to ... protect the United States,” said D. Carney.

Against the "nuclearization" were China and Japan.

Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Hong Lei сказалthat China is in favor of the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. Yoshihide Suga, Chief Secretary of the Cabinet of Ministers of Japan, agreed with him: “This is a provocative step that contradicts the resolutions of the UN Security Council and the agreements reached during the six-party talks. We are deeply concerned about the actions of Pyongyang. ”

Director of Korean Programs at the Institute of Economics, RAS, Professor George Toloraya считаетthat the action on the alleged launch of a nuclear reactor "lies in line with the actions that the DPRK has taken in recent weeks and months, and this is actually a continuation of the PR campaign of Kim Jong-un, which he unleashed to frighten and frighten the West."

The scientist notes that the plan of the DPRK is advertised intentionally: “When Koreans want to do something in secret, then the outside world will know about it when the matter is already finished ...”

According to Lucy Williamson, a BBC correspondent in Seoul, previously used the DPRK to use the nuclear reactor in Yongbyon as a lever for influencing the West.

The nuclear complex involves two ways to create nuclear weapons: it includes a uranium enrichment facility and a nuclear reactor, the spent fuel of which can be turned into weapons-grade plutonium. A restart of the reactor would open up several possibilities for Kim Jong-un: would provide a nuclear program with the material and would attract serious attention of the world community.

In 2007, the Yongbyon reactor, which served as a source of plutonium for the North Korean military nuclear program, was shut down as part of a deal that provided for disarmament in exchange for humanitarian aid.

Kim Jong-un, I suppose, and now wants food. But only against him are sanctions, included in March over the February nuclear underground test (an explosion of about 7 kilotons).

Interesting here is another thing. For several years, the DPRK has repeatedly offered the White House to surrender the fuel rods in Yongbyon in exchange for compensation. She can be said to have been refused. About this in the journal "Foreign Policy" says a former US State Department employee Joel Whit, who dealt with the problems of nuclear disarmament, and now works as a senior researcher at one of the research centers at Columbia University (New York).

At least eight thousand fuel rods are located in Yongbyon. The plutonium contained in these fuel assemblies is sufficient to manufacture eight nuclear warheads, says Mr. Whit, who visited the complex more than once.

The readiness to exchange fuel rods for economic aid for the first time after Obama came to power, officials of the DPRK MFA reported at a meeting with US non-governmental organization employees in November 2010. Pyongyang "wanted to get more than the rods cost, but that was clearly his initial (negotiation) position," the Whit newspaper quotes "Sight". Then, he points out, the initiative was reiterated by the North Korean side in consultations with US representatives in Berlin in May 2011 of the year and in Pyongyang. “Each time, data on the North Korean proposal was regularly passed to the Obama administration at briefings at the White House, at the US Department of State, the Department of Defense and intelligence agencies,” Mr. Whit said.

The American authorities "paid due attention to the North Korean initiative," which, by the way, was also aware of Seoul. But neither the United States nor the Republic of Kazakhstan "did not take advantage of this favorable opportunity," which would be "the first step towards the final decommissioning of the center" in Yongbyon, says Whit. And by August 2012, he says, the position of the DPRK has changed.

According to the forecasts of Joel Whit and the former director of the nuclear laboratory at Los Alamos, Siegfried Hecker, who also visited Yongbyon, Pyongyang will need at least six months to resume operation of the reactor. So much time may be required for the simultaneous restoration of the cooling system of the reactor, which was liquidated several years ago, and for carrying out the necessary modification of the fuel rods.

As for Russia's reaction to the stormy April movement, the Russian Foreign Ministry believes that the chance to resume negotiations on the North Korean nuclear issue should not be missed. “The main thing now is to prevent a military force scenario on the peninsula”, - сказал Ambassador at large of the Russian Foreign Ministry Grigory Logvinov.

“We believe that there is still a chance to resume the six-party talks. As long as the slightest chance persists, it should be used, ”he said. According to him, the main thing now is to stop any rhetoric that stirs up tension. “It is necessary to keep the situation within the political framework. It is unacceptable to try to solve their narrow military-political tasks using the situation in the region, ”comrade Logvinov noted.

According to him, Moscow is confident that any of the parties will not consciously go to unleash hostilities. “However,” noted Logvinov, “in the present tense atmosphere, there is a great danger of involuntary local collisions that could cause a collapse of the situation. The main thing is that the war of nerves does not escalate into a hot war. ”

In the meantime, Kim Jong-un continued his work on global intimidation - in particular, South Korean intimidation.

Since 3 in April, North Korea has banned entry from South Korea to specialists in the joint Kaeson frontier industrial zone. More than a hundred factories work there, where over fifty thousand North Koreans and several hundred South Korean specialists work. This is the last pass for the passage to the zone every day. Western analysts writethat Kaeshn is one of the main sources of income for the DPRK, and the situation there is a kind of barometer of relations between the two Koreas.

Next, in the morning 4 April, South Korea recorded on the territory of the DPRK, moving to the east coast of the object, which was received by observers of the medium-range ballistic missile "Musudan". As one of the sources of the South Korean news agency Renhap stated, it is not clear whether North Korea is going to launch a rocket, or its actions are a "show of force."

The range of the Musudan missile is probably about three thousand kilometers, which covers the territories of South Korea, Japan, and the American territories on the Pacific island of Guam.

However, this unconfirmed information may be from the same category as the incident that took place on Wednesday night last week. That night, the troops of South Korea in the region bordering the DPRK for a few hours were given in increased combat readiness. The South Korean border guard on duty released a grenade into an “unidentified object”, as if moving in the border zone. The “object”, as it seemed to this warrior, was wandering near the barbed wire fence - the demilitarized zone, which represents fortified mined strip of land 4 km wide and 248 km long. From the north, along the DMZ, according to Seoul, is concentrated up to 70% of the forces and facilities of the Korean Peoples Army. After this "incident" the combat readiness of the troops in the district has been promoted to the level of “Chindoge-1” (this level is introduced when there is a threat of an armed invasion from the territory of the DPRK). Then the military conducted reconnaissance of the territories adjacent to the border post. The alarm was lifted in 09.20. No signs of the threat of invasion of the DPRK were found. The fact that the border guard was punished or, on the contrary, encouraged for vigilance, is not reported.

One thing is clear in the Korean question: there is a war of nerves. Against the background of the spring aggravation of Kim Jong-un and at the same time against the background of the economic crisis in the United States, when the budget is sequestered for 85 billions of dollars (and this is only the beginning), the humanitarian assistance of the DPRK, while simultaneously authorizing Iran, would look strange. As a result, nerves, like constricted strings on a guitar, burst one after another. The slightest misstep or military mistake is enough for a war to break out between the two Koreas, and there and not far from nuclear explosions, already ground-based. By the way, Kim Jong-un said that he wouldn’t hit first, but the South Koreans, supported by the United States, rested on a preventive strike - a favorite strategic device of the Pentagon.

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    1. fenix57
      +11
      April 5 2013 07: 00
      An article in any +++. I will try again: THE SILENT IN ANGER IS SCARY, screaming in anger - SMESHON.
      One day, a certain Chang Mann Yong went fishing. Returning from the prey, he asked his wife to fry the fish he caught.
      “We have no oil,” says the spouse.
      “Then we must put it out,” says the fisherman.
      “But we don’t have a pot,” the wife complains.
      “So we grill the fish?” - asks Chang Mann Yong.
      “If we had firewood ...,” the spouse tells him.
      The angry fisherman has no choice but to return to the river and release his prey. A happy fish sticks its head out of the water and shouts out: “Long live Kim Jong Un !!!”. hi
      1. +1
        April 5 2013 07: 48
        Spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un

        This always happens with paranoid off-season ...
        1. -1
          April 5 2013 09: 32
          China will close her granddaughter’s mouth without a problem ..
        2. +1
          April 5 2013 22: 32
          Read the latest sentence in the article, you are our literate!
      2. opkozak
        +5
        April 5 2013 10: 20


        Check out the latest propaganda from uriminzokkiri.
        Alexandrov's choir nervously smokes at the window.
        1. +1
          April 5 2013 18: 30
          The ground forces at least have chances to win, albeit temporary. And the sailors are definitely suicide bombers.
      3. +4
        April 5 2013 11: 20
        Quote: fenix57
        An article in any +++. I will try again: THE SILENT IN ANGER IS SCARY, screaming in anger - SMESHON.


        I agree.
        One thing is clear in the Korean question: there is a war of nerves. Against the backdrop of the spring aggravation at Kim Jong-un and at the same time against the backdrop of the economic crisis in the United States, when the budget was sequestered for $ 85 billion (and this is only the beginning), humanitarian aid to the DPRK while sanctioning Iran would look somehow strange. As a result, nerves, like tightened strings on a guitar, burst one after another.


        Meanwhile, the People's Liberation Army of China (PLA) is sending military equipment to the territories bordering North Korea. According to The Washington Times, the pulling of Chinese troops to the DPRK borders began in mid-March and continues to this day. Tanks were brought into Daqing (Heilongjiang Province) and the border city of Shenyang (Liaoning Province). According to one of the soldiers involved in the deployment of the army, the 190th motorized infantry brigade, which is based in Benxi (Liaoning), was also moved closer to border with North Korea. A large number of fighters appeared in the sky over the border cities of Fucheng (Hebei Province), Zhangyu and Changchun (Liaoning)
        link

        And this happens with the Chinese comrades something like this "without noise and dust", nerves, threats and dancing around the fire with a beating in a tambourine. Why such calmness?
        1. 0
          April 5 2013 18: 33
          They want to surprise everyone - to make an unexpected throw to the north with the Koreans.
          1. 0
            April 5 2013 22: 43
            or a shot at the Koreans ...
            if they continue to destabilize ...
      4. -2
        April 6 2013 00: 07
        The angry fisherman has no choice but to return to the river and release his prey. A happy fish sticks its head out of the water and shouts out: “Long live Kim Jong Un !!!”. hi
        1. fartfraer
          0
          April 6 2013 00: 18
          what a subtle "English" humor) perhaps the standard.
    2. +7
      April 5 2013 07: 00
      A spring exacerbation of some may lead to constipation and diarrhea in others. The question of who will be stronger immunity to idiocy recourse laughing
      1. 0
        April 5 2013 07: 51
        Quote: Ruslan67
        The question is who will be stronger than immunity to idiocy

        good Greetings, Ruslan hi Well said, colleague! good But, I’m afraid that the states with the South Caucasus deliberately aggravate this situation, using the pretext for more militarization of the region.
    3. -1
      April 5 2013 07: 04
      Comrade YONA showed little toys as a child ... In most of his toys were cast-iron and nailed to the floor ...And it was necessary only in childhood to give him a pistol .... the child would have played enough and calmed down.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 09: 18
        so give the pistol to Putin)) or Obama. let’s play now, but don’t spend energy on defense. Or do you refuse from the principle that anyone pursue an independent policy if it is fundamentally different from the US policy?
        no one even noticed what exactly the south is talking about a preemptive strike, and the north says that it will not attack first) or do you liberals who will attack, if only to north Korea to defame?)
        1. +1
          April 5 2013 11: 28
          I don’t care much about Americans ... to South Korea and Japan combined)) I’m sorry that their government is terrorizing their own people .... They have nothing to eat thanks to everyone there ... and you can only envy your paranoia ... masters everywhere to look for a trace of the WEST and HAMSTERS!
          1. fartfraer
            +2
            April 5 2013 11: 43
            thanks for the answer.
            I’m glad that you are so partial. And just for my personal development, there is a personal request, please name the country, which, in isolation, does everything for the good of the people who do not give a damn about defense? I ask to broaden my horizons.
            By the way, is it possible to terrorize alien people for their own good?
            1. +3
              April 5 2013 12: 23
              Quote: fartfraer
              please name the country, which, in isolation, does everything for the good of the people do not give a damn about defense

              But is it necessary to live like that? it is possible for the people and for defense and without isolation. Here are such examples - a dime a dozen
              1. fartfraer
                -2
                April 5 2013 12: 39
                it is possible)) here I completely agree with you! without irony. The only question remained is who and why drove Korea into isolation.
                1. -1
                  April 5 2013 12: 54
                  Quote: fartfraer
                  there was only a question - who and why drove Korea into isolation.

                  the answer is simple, like a carrot - KIMy drove. We had it too. The top needs to live in oil. So they live. Like the rest, start. For this, we need an iron curtain, isolation, so that people do not know how it is there. It is no coincidence that THEIR TV shows how in the States a person lives on a handful of rice)))))
                  1. fartfraer
                    +1
                    April 5 2013 13: 02
                    but what is it? how simple it is)) but I think who holds back Korean weapons around the world and does not allow Korea to trade) it turns out that the Koreans themselves)) well done, well, they deceived everyone) and most importantly somehow managed to create an opinion on the participation of NATO forces in the interception of goods))
                    1. +4
                      April 5 2013 13: 08
                      What do you think? can you just blackmail the whole world and get caviar for bread for this? well, I do not. At one time, Japan ran into this. Received in full. Well, I knowingly cited your question as an example of countries that do not live in isolation and at the same time do not forget about defense and their own people. It doesn’t work that way with Un - let him study
                      1. fartfraer
                        +3
                        April 5 2013 13: 29
                        you do not confuse anything? Once again I repeat, "blackmail" (if you understand it this way) occurred due to economic isolation)) and not vice versa) ie. the difficult situation in Korea and its "blackmail" is only a consequence. The reason was isolation (I would even say a blockade)
                        1. 0
                          April 5 2013 13: 34
                          and isolation from what began? so ... from nefig did appear?)))
                        2. vitya29111973
                          0
                          April 6 2013 00: 31
                          and where did the isolation come from ?????????????? th ... but you carry !!! After launching a nuclear reactor in the DPRK and announcing to the whole world about its nuclear program !!! Everyone has already forgotten about the Kingdom of Senes, but here's the trouble !!!! half of the population went hungry and the other has nothing to feed - and they resorted to blackmail !!!
                        3. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 6 2013 00: 44
                          in Japan, the mass of reactors, even did not hear that this became the reason for the isolation of Japan
                        4. +1
                          April 6 2013 06: 51
                          According to your logic, the USSR, under Stalin, should have given out to EVERYONE a license for infrastructure and raw materials, and not to restore the collapsed Empire. Then all the neighbors will be pleased. First the pleasantness to the lyaham - "from moz to mozha", then to the francs - to Okrain. Naglam - Azeri oil. Ameram, yapam too nice. The main thing is that there is no war! Or would they all refuse? And here such a misfortune, there are no leaders in Korea with specks on their heads !!!
                      2. Batman
                        +1
                        April 5 2013 13: 37
                        can you just blackmail the whole world and get caviar for bread for this?

                        the question is what came first, sanctions or threats? Which country will like that it is forbidden to arm itself ?, and with prohibitions to kill all sprouts of the economy, i.e. drive the country into poverty, collapse ...
                        1. +1
                          April 5 2013 13: 46
                          Quote: Batman
                          the question is what came first, sanctions or threats? Which country would like to be banned from arming?

                          so what came first? and then - you cannot be stronger than someone - give in, maneuver. You can or do not want - get an adequate response to your show-offs. It is not for nothing that I cited Japan as an example with its exorbitant ambitions
                        2. 0
                          April 5 2013 14: 52
                          Someone (fartfraer, but I didn’t point a finger) agrees to the universal: we are responsible for those we tamed ... request
                          Initially, everything related to the current situation of the DPRK is the outcome of our Great Patriotic War and comprehensive 2WW. Until 1948, Korea was the territory of Japan ... And before that, as Latvians ... there was essentially no state. Just do not need to climb into Wicca and dig to the late Paleolithic.
                          I already looked there.
                          Well, there were some from appanage, feudal principalities "in the Asian way" and dynasties .... how familiar everything is ... beggar!
                          So is it worth asking from modern Russia for the politics of the Kim dynasty? But a half-century history testifies that the state is sick (politely and politically correct).
                        3. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 18: 31
                          please note that I do not urge to answer for them and provide them with armed assistance) and do not blame the Russian Federation for the policy of the Koreans) I just admire their steadfastness, which was once characteristic of the Slavs. Now looking at your comments, I understand that nowadays such heroism for the sake of the country is not the norm, but an "idiotic act". You have no principles and ideas for which you are ready to make sacrifices, you are just consumers of "iPhones and hamburgers".
                          I am sincerely sorry that there are such people among the members of the forum, and let me be ridiculous, but I do not sell my views for "devour and put on Yudashkin's uniform, she is all so beautiful ..." dumb, they would have put on rhinestones. (sorry for the lyrical digression)
                        4. 0
                          April 6 2013 00: 08
                          I understand that nowadays such heroism for the sake of the country is not the norm, but an "idiotic act". You have no principles and ideas for which you are ready to make sacrifices, you are simply consumers of "iPhones and hamburgers".

                          Really stupid or like to be like that? Tell me directly, be affectionate, do not be shy? Down syndrome is a disease, not a curse, there is nothing shameful, but I sympathize. And then suddenly I’m talking with a mentally retarded and not in the know. I ask sincerely.

                          Again. Be patient. For the special contingent, so to speak. Not wanting to offend. Wumnik fartfraer, I say. Note without a mat.
                          Is YOU Aum Shinrikyo ideal? There, too, they died In the name of Ideals.
                          Like the Nazis who believed Hitler. Hitler Yugen also fought for their homeland, for Hitler. The Crusades, too, of Voimia Faith were accomplished.
                          Chichen, and they believed in something when they fought with the Russians. In Syria, against Assad, the same of beliefs are fighting. On both sides of the conflict. Not always for money, some sincerely fight.

                          So for Eunas for FEUDAL, who received the inheritance of power, for there is continuity and struggle of clans, since the Middle Ages. (learn history) Personally, I would not fight. Not mine. Homeland is not only people, forests, fields and mountains, but also political structure which can give; as with Gorby; be comprador, as in EBN; renounce subjects as under Emperor Nicholas; to destroy the people, as under Hirohito (when faithful soldiers, not having suffered shame, performed Sepuka in thousands); immerse the whole world in war, as with Hitler and Mussolini; rob the whole world, as the United State of Omerigi does, with M. Britain; or get sick with the mind and catch phobias, as in Poles with Latvians. Which of them is YOU sympathetic? What is the political model? I don’t have one. Kim Jong-un put in a row with them. For he is a kosher pide the feudal lord that already where to put samples And all this mess, connected with his youthful ambitions, as well as to paint and assert himself among the generals. Otherwise, his own wolves will devour him. He knows this and shit with bricks. And substitutes his people. He is not Hugo Chavez, not Condondate Che. He is the face, ruining his people.
                          ShitThey laid on their people. S.R.A.L.I.

                          And these deceived sectarians, who are simply sorry if they are overthrown by Una (maybe their own) will receive not a frail, cognitive dissonas and other mental disorders, if they see the world around them, without censoring the faithful preachers. They will have an epidemic of suicides, mental disorders and this will stretch out for a whole generation. Maybe a few. For this has already happened in history. (For example, with Japan, after World War II)

                          So do not live in invented illusions and separate flies from cutlets. Patriotism from sectarianism.
                          By the way, in the dialogue thread there are a lot of people who disagree with your ENTIRE, pink-eyed idealism, for the same reason as I do. Why's that? Are there really so many patriots on a patriotic site? Or people, unlike you, understand the essence of things.
                          Popularly explained? ask do not be shy.
                          By the way, I did not understand: what does Russian patriotism in Russia have to do with it. We do not have Eun in power. The GDP affairs are different, with possible shortcomings.
                        5. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 6 2013 00: 34
                          even early you fell into rudeness) well, it’s excusable to you. to see the memories of chewing gum made you remember about children's insults? calm down, everything is in the past! now you are in charge (well, at least in tyrnet)
                          now that you have calmed down (I hope this has already happened) I will explain to you again, if the northerners decided to fight for their feudal lord, then this is their own business, provided that they do not start the war. when the Russian Federation fought with the separatists (you know what the word means " separatism "? this is a social science course at school), then it was our own business, we did not attack Ukraine in passing (for example), which means we were not aggressors.
                          there are always those who disagree, well, yes it’s not terrible, everyone has the right to their own opinion. But unlike you, I don’t try to make everyone think like me, I don’t impose my values, I just expressed my opinion and asked questions. As long as there is only one of your comments was the answer, the rest is more like hysterics unusual for men, well, yes, I’m ready to tolerate, if only you were calm and, maybe, you’ve finally not just put up
                          me "inadequate", but also read and (most importantly) thought about what I say.
                          and by the way, a personal request to me not to poke, we are not familiar, and your tantrums are not an excuse. and various "popularly explained" you can use in the circle of your possible friends, with me I ask this little boy (in your performance it looks like that) not to use otherwise our further dialogue will not take place.
                        6. 0
                          April 6 2013 00: 56
                          I apologize. fell through.
                          Our initial argument is not that the United States of Omerigi has a patent on the truth of judgments. Do not drive the topic.
                          I remind you.

                          FC Skiff RU Yesterday, 07:20
                          - 3 +
                          Let the northerners eat!


                          And skzan this is Scythian, almost sure in connection with, wrong, wrong, flawed, ugly, suicidal, etc., the position of the DPRK - bargain humanitarian the food. Their efforts would be in a different direction. With such "zeal" it was possible to establish cooperation with China and with Russia and with South Korea as well. Finns with councils traded in spite of the war in the past. We have been building courts with them for more than half a century and ATTENTION, We are proud of our pragmatic relations. Only the lazy did not cite them as an example of sprotland.
                          That's just the Kimov's policy, even China is annoying, like SCykoshvillo - it is NECESSARY, on the eve of 888. For almost did not let everyone down under the article. Therefore, the DPRK has the same problems with "allied China". A painful ally.
                        7. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 6 2013 01: 08
                          it happens.
                          I have almost 4 in the morning, sleep is hunting) I have to stop talking. Good night
                        8. 0
                          April 6 2013 01: 15
                          see you soon hi
                        9. vitya29111973
                          0
                          April 6 2013 00: 35
                          why do you live in Russia, since you admire the DPRK. There, quickly forget what the Internet is !!!
                        10. +2
                          April 6 2013 07: 08
                          You're right, man !!! With this outlook on life, WARRIORS are obtained. And your critics are soldiers. Why the negative for the "soldier"? The word comes from the Italian "soldo" - their denyuzhka. That is, a mercenary serving for money. It looks like they look the same, they run briskly with everyone around the polygons. And when the moment of the MAIN CHOICE comes ... Between life and death ...
                          The happiness of Russia was that there were always enough WARRIORS. I pray that there are now. By the way, I already know one thing. You blabbed yourself. soldier drinks
                        11. 0
                          April 6 2013 15: 37
                          sergius60, sorry, I didn’t understand who the answer was.
                          But I will answer, otherwise I’m afraid to be misunderstood.
                          In case of trouble, I will go to fight for my friends, knowingly. Although I am a statesman by conviction, but I feel closer to "military democracy" / "militia", in the original sense - an armed militia, with "Vchev Bell". (if idealized)
                          There are examples in Russia - Minin and Pozharsky or partisans and militias in the Second World War.
          2. 0
            April 5 2013 18: 02
            and you are probably in the UK every day, and you see how people are "starving", for 20 years already and everyone will not die of hunger, all the rockets are launched. reactors are being built. if there is no McDonald's in the country, this does not mean that there is famine there. in our Russian understanding, there is nothing to eat in the UK, not bread or potatoes, a Korean also arriving in Russia will say that there is no food (his food, which he used to eat)
            1. fartfraer
              +1
              April 5 2013 18: 25
              yes it is useless to explain something) they are glad that everything is calm with them despite the distribution of the territories of the Russian Federation to other countries and the economic crisis in Ukraine) they do not even imagine what it is like to live in a state that does not "lie" under anyone and conducts an independent policy ) such people will argue that the Koreans are to blame for the blockade, and Stalin, without looking for the root cause, sees only the consequence of the Leningrad blockade)
    4. sashka
      +10
      April 5 2013 07: 19
      And I like it .. Put it on everyone and does what it needs. And does not listen to "friends" and "partners" In contrast to the "slave in the galleys", and "guarantor" in combination.
      1. fartfraer
        +6
        April 5 2013 09: 22
        Sasha, I agree with you completely. And even on this site his independence provokes some kind of inadequate reaction) apparently people have already lost the habit of thinking independently, they all live in jokes and slogans.
        1. -2
          April 5 2013 11: 54
          Quote: fartfraer
          Yes, they live by slogans.

          that’s where the slogans are enough, it’s in the North. We went through it. And everyone gradually came to the conclusion that you won’t be alive with slogans
          1. fartfraer
            +3
            April 5 2013 12: 08
            I agree with you, we lived by the slogans) now many live on the thirst for profit and for the sake of devouring. what do you live for? more precisely for what? and what are you willing to sacrifice for your purpose?
            1. +2
              April 5 2013 12: 26
              Quote: fartfraer
              and what do you live with? more precisely for what? and what are you willing to sacrifice for your purpose?

              what purpose? my state was taken away from me in 91, and for the sake of the state of the tycoon I am not ready to sacrifice anything. And I live for my family. But to live only by the idea ... you know, this is one of the reasons for the collapse of the USSR. Idea, patriotism and faith are good. But this is enough in the West as well, and with all this, they live there an order of magnitude better than in the USSR and even more so than in the DPRK, because in Germany (let's not talk about the United States), the MAN is put at the forefront. And so it was always with them. And here "women still give birth" (c) Apraksin
              1. fartfraer
                +2
                April 5 2013 12: 47
                excuse me, maybe I'll say a little harshly-Western values ​​showed themselves during the war between France and Hitler's Germany. The French took care of themselves so much that they surrendered the country in two weeks. Regarding the value of a person, if you look, you will find a lot of information about the problems of Germans in Germany with the same "valuable people" "Turks. Tolerance turned out to be a terrible poison, but because of the value of a person, treatment of tolerant countries is not carried out and therefore outbreaks of nationalism will be constantly. The same is in the Russian Federation.
                about the cause of the collapse of the USSR does not agree.
                "women give birth" is somewhat true, but the same union was more humane than Western countries or modern post-Soviet states.
                1. +1
                  April 5 2013 12: 49
                  Quote: fartfraer
                  "women give birth" is somewhat true, but the same union was more humane

                  I know the reasons for the collapse of my state. BUT!!! For all this, for some reason, it’s not the decaying States that fell apart, but the USSR. So, something was wrong in that state, then it turned out to be not viable, could not protect itself
                  1. fartfraer
                    +2
                    April 5 2013 13: 06
                    I agree, I’ll even clarify a little, that means the citizens of this state thoughtlessly sold out for one hundred varieties of sausages and affordable jeans, that means the ideological training in the army was at zero and the army violated the oath, so there were people in power with no ideas.
                    and all this does not explain why you wish North Korea the same fate
                    1. +1
                      April 5 2013 13: 11
                      Quote: fartfraer
                      I agree, I’ll even clarify a little, that means the citizens of this state thoughtlessly sold out for one hundred varieties of sausages and affordable jeans, that means the ideological training in the army was at zero and the army violated the oath, so there were people in power with no ideas.
                      and all this does not explain why you wish North Korea the same fate

                      I spoke yesterday about fanaticism and ideas that you cannot live on. In the end, a person wants to eat and dress. And that is his nature. And this does not mean that for this he must sell himself. The fact that Gorbachev and Yeltsin and Kravchuk sold themselves, and at the same time millions of their subjects, is not an indicator that this can only be in the civilized world
                      1. fartfraer
                        +1
                        April 5 2013 18: 36
                        by the way, about a non-viable union, it’s generally funny) if the union was aggressive and lived robbing other countries (as the states do) it would exist now) so we see that the desire to impose our will by force is viability? nuclear war) unless of course Putin has eggs (figuratively), because the amers have no brains and they will put pressure on all fronts.
                        1. caprall
                          +1
                          April 5 2013 20: 26
                          Incidentally, the Amer selected and take away, first of all, brains, and not rabble.
                    2. caprall
                      +1
                      April 5 2013 20: 24
                      I don’t think anyone has sold for sausage, as you say. The idea of ​​a strong country is measured not only by the ability to wear jeans, but by fair governance, if the country is in the hands of a tyrant, this will lead to the anarchy that we acquired in the 90s, by the way, not far gone.
                      1. fartfraer
                        -2
                        April 5 2013 20: 39
                        Corporal, and I agree with you in most of your statements, only the tyrant must be changed by ourselves, and not wait for the "good" someone to start a war with your country.
                  2. caprall
                    +1
                    April 5 2013 20: 19
                    So it is, the states are rotting and decaying, and we have already had 25 years of devastation. By the way, if hostilities begin, it will be possible to verify the perfection or not of our weapons.
                    1. +1
                      April 6 2013 07: 50
                      In 41, unfortunately, very many did NOT believe the Soviet party propaganda. Millions of prisoners are talking about something ... 1224 T-34 + 636 KV = 1860 versus 3360 really not a "wunderwolf", did not help. But when they saw the "fascists" in action ... Although half of the park in the war were T-60s, and they put up the "menagerie" - they reached Berlin. Warriors will decide everything, warriors again. Put a zats in a galactic cruiser, and a weak sphincter will disable all electronics. lol
                2. caprall
                  +1
                  April 5 2013 20: 17
                  What are you talking about, the values ​​or lives of millions? If you don’t put your neighbor penniless, do not think that he will respect you.
        2. sashka
          +3
          April 5 2013 23: 48
          Quote: fartfraer
          even on this site its independence causes some kind of inadequate reaction

          This is not a reaction, THIS IS Errection .. The Great Poo "said". He "Poo did" He "promised" to do .. On the impossibility of doing it ourselves .. And "this" boy puts the whole "civilized" world with cancer and does not worry .. Here with whom it is necessary to take an example .. It is necessary to press and not "negotiate" .. They will not appreciate and do not understand ..
      2. imperiologist
        +1
        April 5 2013 11: 43
        once leaning on the greatest country in the world, the USSR, the DPRK is now forced to sail in splendid isolation. There is no one else to guide and teach them. Our Russia, alas, does not have the influence that the Soviets had and I can’t see him.
    5. +1
      April 5 2013 07: 20
      Let the northerners eat! I, too, if the hungry always psyche, and how to eat, then I can speculate about world peace.
      1. -1
        April 5 2013 07: 42
        To eat? In this country-sect by the roundness of the muzzle, it is guaranteed to determine the status of the Customer. Someone I have never seen the chubby privates of the DPRK, and yet they do not threaten the Corrupt West ....
        Let your Apple sell at auction ... you can feed the country a month ...
        1. fartfraer
          +1
          April 5 2013 09: 20
          so you look at the pictures, but you’ve never seen it)) on this site laid out a lot and no one saw something of a thin soldier.
          By the way, you have the same advice - sell an apartment and transfer money to the central bank, raise the economy of your native state
          1. +1
            April 5 2013 11: 31
            1. Read carefully.
            2. We are not hysterical.
            3. Think with your head.
            pictures here http://topwar.ru/5592-armiya-v-severnoy-korei.html
            1. fartfraer
              -2
              April 5 2013 11: 35
              damn, I have army photos not digital)) I would have thrown 50 kg of live weight of contract soldiers and I can tell you how 5 people spent a day on one can of stew and instead of water they ate snow. let's compare the supply of parts? Do you have data on North Koreans? It would be interesting to read and compare with your experience in the Russian army
              1. -2
                April 5 2013 11: 53
                90s and dogs eaten by conscripts - a reason for pride ??? However.... belay and now imagine that this is the case with us since the 50s .... and earlier, then DPRK will turn out.

                Kalash - it is in Korea - Kalash ... we measure the waist "in Kalash". This trouble is not due to the fact that North Koreans are by nature frail, but from the fact that they need to be fattened for eleven generations, in a row.
                http://topwar.ru/uploads/posts/2011-07/1310488419_29.jpeg
                1. -1
                  April 5 2013 12: 02
                  compare with the pigs and his Apple. (visible to the right)
                  1. 0
                    April 5 2013 12: 06
                    get .... Eric Cartman Narrow-eyed. (well, we keep in mind the fact that his elder brother traded the status of "Great Helmsman and Leader of All Koisev" for .... fast food in Disneyland. It's not a LJJ just ...)
                  2. fartfraer
                    +3
                    April 5 2013 12: 13
                    compare the cost of Medvedev's camera with the salary of a doctor? compare the content of the Queen of England with the income of an English sailor? compare the income of Yanukovych or Nazarbayev with the income of turners in their states?
                    name at least one country where the ruler lives worse or at the level of hard workers? at least one!
                    1. 0
                      April 5 2013 12: 32
                      Quote: fartfraer
                      name at least one country where the ruler lives worse or at the level of hard workers? at least one!

                      I will call. In Germany, half of the ministers ride the metro or ride bicycles. And in Hungary, the President’s house is no match for our palaces
                      1. fartfraer
                        +2
                        April 5 2013 12: 49
                        yes ... the question is not understood)) yon and yn are floating on a wooden boat)) what is not an example. and Putin rode Kalina. but you condemn yn and the minister of germany are not in a hurry) why? while you modestly ignore the essence of the question, and it is not about who drives what, but about the standard of living
                        1. 0
                          April 5 2013 12: 57
                          Quote: fartfraer
                          and she’s not about who drives what, but in the standard of living

                          so I'm just about the standard of living. At the same time, the standard of living in Germany, Sweden, Finland is so high that it would be there for the ministers to afford something, but no - they live more modestly than the same Nna or Yanukovych and Tymoshenko. Why is Tymoshenko, our "oppositionist" Vlasenko (Tymoshenko's defender) lives in such a way that the Arab sheikhs will envy.
                    2. +3
                      April 5 2013 13: 09
                      What for outdated demagogic cliches? I would like to quote from 3000 Miles to Graceland:
                      - eat up!
                      “You are not my father.”
                      - Have you heard about the starving children of Africa?
                      - do you want to send them my chips?

                      Update your dusty examples and do not go into demagoguery.

                      I put it on a DAM camera, because if you want to buy a LEICA S, it is possible in Russia. And in Korea? How to make money on the not adequately expensive Apple Mac Pro (used one) And in Korea?
                      Have you seen in the 80s how your classmates from prosperous families beg for chewing gum from a foreigner in the passage to Manezhka? I, a schoolboy, was ashamed. They are cool. The USSR was exchanged for clothes and chewing gum, not because there was absolutely nothing to eat (as in Korea, although there was such a thing), but because they got out to sell false ideals about "ships plying the Bolshoi Theater" like a stupid cattle, while the Members (CPSU) lived on a grand scale. literally, like feudal lords at the expense of slaves. But you don’t know, probably from a young age.
                      To die for ideals is not a tricky thing, especially when the brain is formatted by the leaders of the sect. In them, in the DPRK, not the Great Patriotic War and Leningrad Blockade, but snickering feudal lords and anorexia of the poor population - slaves. These are completely different phenomena. Or is Aum Shinrikyo ideal for you? There, too, they died In the name! ...
                      1. +1
                        April 5 2013 13: 13
                        Quote: dmitreach
                        Have you seen in the 80s how your classmates from prosperous families beg for chewing gum from a foreigner in the transition to Manezh? I, the student was ashamed.

                        yeah ... it was: ((
                      2. fartfraer
                        0
                        April 5 2013 18: 49
                        here it is) I turned out to be a mason at the time (a year and a half ago) and not getting a w-two months, and then another year suing her, I could easily afford a camera for 100 tyrov)) a distant teacher, but what there a teacher, any janitor is able to afford this) and no one is cashing in on us, which is a discovery for me)
                        do you write that before you were ashamed of begging for cheap chewing gum? (by the way in the USSR were chewing gum), so what has changed now? were you given the opportunity to have your own slave workers and you began to support the consumer society? Well, support me, I don’t against) you can directly not respect me and say that my judgments are stupid)) it doesn’t matter. The only important thing is that you yourself betrayed that proud and embarrassed to ask and became like these asking children.
                        By the way, about iPhones, etc., you have direct undisguised pride "and I used to do that." newfangled brand clothes ", because I am accustomed to live within our means and I don’t like to owe someone
                        1. +1
                          April 5 2013 22: 31
                          So what? They also threw me at the dough and did not return. Everything happened and opened its own business .... in crisis 2008 ... with known consequences. AND? The fundamental difference is that in Russia it is the prose of life. And in Korea? There you can open a business, what would relatives not pay for the bullet? In Russia it is possible.
                          There, you can risk hiring a private trader who may pay badly, and maybe pay money? In Korea?
                          THERE you can live without fear that tomorrow is war? Without posters on life safety and non-profit organization, and the feudal lords smiling from them? Without indicating the direction in which to crawl in the event of an atomic explosion? Forgot already?
                          In the USSR, there was chewing gum ... oGa ... Orange, coffee, no pictures, 5 pieces per pack. And there was Donaldak and TurboMOTO. OTOMOTO, Love is and, it seems ... everything. The rest was not a format and a rarity, and this is already 80 / 90s. AND! there were also menthol pads with the LADA logo (Ladya Zhigulevskaya), but I saw these only in the Baltic States. They played on inserts with typewriters and comics, and so the teachers "dried crackers", because gambling at school is obvious ...
                          I don’t need to tell me how a foreign chewing gum (unlike the Soviet one) went around in a circle, and the wrapper was called “smell” and was quoted too. All these tambourine dances remind me of the aborigines from the island of Manhattan. Thought to explain or an adult?
                          you yourself have betrayed yourself that proud and ashamed to ask and become like these asking children.

                          Not when I didn’t ask. Thanks to my parents, I ate full when I was a child. He lived in Germany, Poland, Riga and Tallinn, during the USSR (you’ll guess your father’s profession if you scratch your brain) That's just the USSR of the 80s, it’s never North Korea today ... Rather, China ... Or Poland began in the 80s, when concessions went there ... People were given the opportunity to earn a living, and not to eke out the miserable existence of Voim Vera, which They did not become.
                          undisguised pride you have

                          Again stamps. I used it for work. He worked for several years on a bite, costing a little more than a little bit - dofiga. (at the moment I prefer to work on my home computer, although the bite behind me is reserved, but the characteristics are lame, it’s not convenient to work) Do I have to whip my ears on the cheeks with shame? I am not a marginal, I earn money by labor, in particular by my brain ... Should I be ashamed of someone? Which one? And this is thanks to the Soviet and post-Soviet education, as well as the fact that Russia has the opportunity to earn and study. And in Korea?
                          Have you recorded me in yfonshiki? Yazh said in Russian: it's good to scatter labels, expand your horizons. I have a Nokia

                          I don’t like to be due

                          But what about Russia? And if Kim is in power, eyes are bright, Chin Eun? (There is no concept of "should", there is simply - feudal succession of power and all the rest, as a consequence.)
                          I perceive the USSR as real, unlike you. And I do not complain about him, like some. And even more so I do not idealize. My grandfather was at the congress of deputies of the CPSU, all male relatives were officers. I have something to be proud of THANKS to the fathers. But there is also something to ask, because the first people whom politicians betray are the military. Read Bulgakov, it will become clearer.
                          Then there was a lot of good, but there were dead ends too. The system did not go through evolution. North Korea also will not work. Living in the past, without a future is Korean, they are so stuck in time and stopped developing.

                          So there are two realities;
                          a) fictional and licked by dreams.
                          b) harsh, but life.
                          For me, personally, the option "b" is closer.
                          Do not idealize the USSR and the DPRK. And even more so, to draw a parallel with patriotism against the background of terry feudalism. These are different concepts, do not substitute. Although, someone and Aum Senrikyo - the Truth, and the Nazis in Hitler, sincerely believed. And Gorby was popular at first ...
                        2. fartfraer
                          +1
                          April 5 2013 23: 09
                          do not believe it) plus your answer) now I will answer the points myself
                          “You can open a business there, so that your relatives wouldn't pay for a bullet? In Russia, you can.” - I think there is no business there, but specialists who are engaged in useful business and live there better than people without education or with low qualifications.
                          "THERE can you live without fear that tomorrow is war?" - where can you live without fear? Only in switzerland and australia (probably)
                          "That's just the USSR of the 80s, it's never the DPRK today ... Rather, China ... Or Poland in the early 80s, when there were indulgences ... People were given the opportunity to make a living, and not drag out a miserable existence in the name of Faith , which never became Theirs. "- The USSR was not in the blockade, plus it had a lot of resources. I disagree about the miserable existence. If the USSR now any student would know that he would be employed in his specialty, sooner or later he would receive housing, that he would not will be considered a second-class person due to the lack of a car or a summer residence, that he will be paid for all sick leave, that there will be no delays due to the fact that in any city of the union he will receive honey without problems. help, etc., and this confidence in the future was worth (personal opinion) to live in union.
                          "But what about Russia?" - do not substitute the concept. I swore an oath to Russia, which is why the current distribution of land is heating up. And the only thing for which I am ashamed in front of the country is that I write about it in tyrnet, but I still cannot influence what is happening developments.
                          "for the first who the politicians betray are the military" - either the military betrayed the USSR, allowing it to collapse. but in this statement of yours I completely agree
                          "I perceive the USSR as real, unlike you." - you can't even imagine how I perceive the USSR, but the collapse of "everything to the ground, and then ... all gentlemen" I perceive sharply negatively. Yes, it was necessary to reform, yes, we need there were some actions to liberalize, but the collapse of the union is not the failure of the system, but the failure of the leaders.
                          "(There is no concept of" must ", there is simply - the feudal succession of power and all the rest, as a consequence.)" - the worst thing is that we also have the same thing. And there was such a thing in the union. I argue, but this should not be done through military pressure, war, or whatever you want to call what they want to do with the DPRK.
                          Well, and again, I repeat, I do not idealize the DPRK, but they should decide how they live, and not the south or the states.
                          Well, I’ll explain why plus memories of childhood, although we have different views on the issue under discussion, but your memories quite accurately reflect my childhood.)
                        3. 0
                          April 6 2013 00: 49
                          really really surprised. plus for a detailed answer.
                          When the leader is a rag, then the Country about lost. So it was at Nikolshka, Gorbi, EBN. And the people received: Civil, Perestroika and Troubles with bandits. Why do we have so many non-patriots among Russians? Or people don’t sacrifice their lives for the fields of forests and rivers? All the same, for the future of his children. For your people. Earth in this case is a collective image. Or did the guys in the first Chechen not fight for the dead comrades, wanting to come from the RPG to the Kremlin? Did the civil war happen because of abstract concepts, or because of specific ideals, with specific leaders?
                          My grandfather died because of a mess in the early 90s, despite the fact that since the 50s he pressed the "forest brothers" to the nail in sprotland. (He wore large shoulder straps, fought as a sailor in the Second World War at the Pacific Fleet) My father, capraz banned to go to the Navy (now I regret that I didn’t obey) because the EBN stuck to power like a fleet against the quay wall. The father threw a party card a few years before the collapse of the country, while those who had come to power changed their color like a chameleon , happen to be a dudger. He was expelled from the service because of this, then there was a problem with his pension, for several years of service was not enough. He has his own scores; he still cannot be reconciled. So there are enough revolutionaries in my family and patriots. To understand the logic, read Bulgakov. Run. Days of the Turbins. Pikul. And figure out the simple difference. Volunteer for the Fatherland, as in Syria it is possible and at a respectable age, should trouble happen. But to be a pillar of compradors in the 90s ... then a lot of military destinies broke. Therefore, Una cannot stand the spirit.
                          Therefore, I say to you for the tenth time:
                          separate flies from cutlets, and patriotism from fanaticism.
                          I never said, never said that the United States of Omerigi should decide for the North Koreans.
                        4. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 6 2013 01: 04
                          you will not believe in your comment there is an answer for you. when leaders live in violation of generally accepted rules, then the negative accumulates and then spills out. but this is not a crisis of the system, it is a crisis of leaders who have lost the state idea.
                          By the way, I’m ready to tell you something about flies and cutlets - you transferred your image of the rulers of the 90s to the United States and don’t transfer it, but to me exactly, I consider him only as the leader of the state in his actions in foreign policy. And I will repeat to you once again, if everything is so bad there, then they themselves will solve this problem, as they solved it with the tacit indifference of the population (including the idea that was lost for the above reasons) in the USSR. and attack us at 89, what a busman and not a fact that the union would fall apart.
                          and in general I get the feeling that you just read my comments, without thinking, take out separate phrases and make some strange conclusions. Well, let’s be consistent, it’s your right, if you want to continue to continue thoughtless writing, I won’t mind
                        5. -1
                          April 6 2013 01: 11
                          below answered
                          I will add.
                          What do they live for 60 years of rule, like on the groundhog day? They didn’t invent a time machine, with one move - back to the past.
                          No, I am reading carefully, not your truth. Otherwise, I would not have trumped by references to the dictionary., As it was below, in connection with the word: "development". You have not caught me in this, unlike you, who gave me a reason to quote Ozhegov.
                      3. Kalita
                        0
                        April 5 2013 20: 39
                        dmitreach, great answer! Right to the point, everything!
                        1. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 21: 28
                          I would even say answered with a point, not a point) at a point there is as much semantic load
                        2. 0
                          April 5 2013 22: 48
                          always pzhlst hi
                    3. +1
                      April 5 2013 19: 10
                      Let’s compare the salary of an official whose salary has been increased more than two and a half times since September 2012 (the head of the department, according to Peskov, received a little more than 120 thousand rubles, and began to receive a little more than 320 thousand rubles), with the salary ... umm ... those who don’t even index it with 2008.
                      1. fartfraer
                        -4
                        April 5 2013 20: 14
                        hush, please)) otherwise strategic commentators will equate the Russian Federation with Korea and would like China or the states to be replaced by a quiet president, as discussed below
                2. fartfraer
                  0
                  April 5 2013 12: 03
                  OK, let's assume that the stubborn head of state and his army are to blame, keeping their people in fear. North Korean "communists" should only abandon their ideals and ideas and all-life in satiety and other bonuses!
                  I don’t want to offend you, I’m just asking, for how much food are you ready to betray your principles? Are you personally ready to join the partisans during the occupation of the Russian Federation by NATO countries? To starve and fight for the sake of your state? If so, is it Putin’s fault that you are forced will you limit yourself for the sake of your country? if your answer is "no", then the question is different - are you ready to hunt partisans in the forests for the sake of sausage and a car in the event of occupation?
                  1. +2
                    April 5 2013 12: 15
                    how much pathos in words.
                    We don't confuse soft with warm. Okay? I in the 90s of the queue remember by appointment, as the empty counters and "humanitarian aid" from "friends" the same.
                    I believe that cannibalism in occupied Leningrad, had a place to be. And this is an occasion for execution, as the highest measure of social protection, in wartime conditions. And there is nothing to be proud of. As well as the cheap Internet pathos about betrayal for food - no reason to compare Russia with a hungry Korea.
                    Once again I say: soft with warm do not confuse.
                    1. fartfraer
                      -1
                      April 5 2013 12: 32
                      why not compare? can explain? you have no less pathos) for you, the main indicator of the state's well-being is "it would be good to devour". How this will be achieved is not important to you.
                      all your arguments "no need to compare", "hungry soldiers", etc., while you did not find it possible to name at least one country where the ruler lives at the level of a loader (for example), while all your condemnation of the regime goes only for "thin soldiers" So why are you not outraged by the economic blockade of Korea? After all, the root cause of all the troubles of Koreans is precisely in this, and not in the iPhone?
                      Sorry, but your reasoning does not concern the reasons, they concern the participants in this problem, and very one-sidedly. At least Korea is able to create competitive weapons, could trade them freely, develop the economy, science, so why can't they do it openly? What is the reason for the blockade? Why are they condemned for threatening to respond to aggression? There are many questions, but the answer from you so far, unfortunately, only one - "no need for pathos"
                      1. +3
                        April 5 2013 12: 41
                        Quote: fartfraer
                        why they are condemned for the threat of a response to aggression

                        and where and whose aggression against the DPRK? has someone stuck in there already?
                        1. fartfraer
                          -1
                          April 5 2013 13: 09
                          )) and someone has already struck back? while both of them are dispensed with words, and you are on the side of the south) they didn’t see your condemnation of the claim for a preventive strike on the DPRK, but the whole site is full of condemnations for the statement of the response of the DPRK on the aggressor )
                        2. +2
                          April 5 2013 13: 15
                          Quote: fartfraer
                          even did not see your condemnation of the claim for a preventive strike on the DPRK

                          Well, firstly, so far, the statements are mainly from the North, and secondly, the DPRK has nuclear weapons that they threaten to put into action. And this is not a joke. It will go to everyone. Once the USA and the USSR had enough brains not to play out. Is Eunu enough - not sure
                        3. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 13: 32
                          ok, now your position is clear) to remove nuclear weapons and just business.
                          By the way, what do you think, is there enough brains in the south not to attack (even in alliance with the states) the nuclear state?
                          the statements really are still from the north) and they relate specifically to defense and the response to the attack, and not the first strike)
                        4. +1
                          April 5 2013 13: 36
                          Quote: fartfraer
                          By the way, what do you think, is there enough brains in the south not to attack (even in alliance with the states) the nuclear state?
                          the statements really are still from the north) and they relate specifically to defense and the response to the attack, and not the first strike)

                          why not? that's enough. Let this state still listen to the world community. For you cannot live in a hostel only by your own rules and listening only to your own desires. Otherwise, the neighbors will get angry. AND THIS IS NORMAL
                        5. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 19: 38
                          they do not live in a hostel, but in their own country. and if you are used to being told how to live by people because of the "hillock", then they decide for themselves (for now). if they attack first, I will condemn them (although it does not matter to them ), but so far I see only provocations of the south and the states against an independent independent state, which directly warned that it was ready to respond. Although the words "independence" and "independence" you have already forgotten, it seems
                        6. +1
                          April 5 2013 13: 39
                          Nuclear weapons are not yet known ... for the evidence is indirect. To blow up simultaneously over 9000 explosive cars for mining operations is practically possible. As well as clip it with hungry people, throughout the year. Seismic sensors in South Korea and Japan will show. ..... just now? An explosion comparable to an atomic one?
                          But the statements of a military nature from the DPRK are connected with the military "exercises" of the southerners and with a banal attempt to attract attention. The UN began to placate with food. Everything is not so simple there. Southerners are also not sugar-free and often, openly provoke. It's just that the media, as usual, take a biased position. Therefore, sometimes the DPRK's rhetoric seems overly marasmic. Although it is even more difficult to call it adequate.
                        7. Kalita
                          -1
                          April 5 2013 20: 47
                          "The site is full of condemnations for the DPRK's response to the aggressor)" - the site is full of condemnation of stupidity and thank God, otherwise Yun will be tied there to defend Russia.
                        8. fartfraer
                          +1
                          April 5 2013 21: 31
                          what is the relationship in the recognition of the north's right to protect and the participation of the Russian Federation in this mess? try not to speak with patterns of "echo of Moscow", but to express your thoughts, albeit clumsily as I do)
                      2. 0
                        April 5 2013 13: 21
                        for you, the main indicator of well-being

                        Do not draw conclusions for me and I will not tell you where to go. Do you agree?
                        Is Aum Shinrikyo the ideal? They also died in the name of ...
                        So not all so-called "ideals" and other value systems are correct?
                        .Korea least able to create a competitive weapon

                        Urgently learn materiel, otherwise I’ll put it bad. (and, friendly advice: do not make people laugh)
                        why they are condemned for the threat of a response to aggression

                        Because for the evolutionarily dead-end state of the DPRK, it becomes a means of barter for humanitarian aid, the form of food. Literally: we are not buzzing, you are food for us. Here is such a "begging-extortion" on the scale of the state ...
                        But you don’t know this because you haven’t studied the issue ..
                        at least korea is able to create

                        Feudal system with a powerful ideology, instead of a cup of rice. Rockefeller did not think of it and enviously spins in a coffin.
                        1. fartfraer
                          -4
                          April 5 2013 13: 40
                          "Urgently teach materiel, otherwise I'll put it down." -Deliver) I won't be upset)) By the way, do not tell who was the cargo of missiles intercepted by the states?
                          "Because for a dead end, in evolutionary terms, state of the DPRK," - strange, a similar state (the same dead end and with a similar ideology), but not being blockaded, is the most powerful economy in the world)
                          "Literally: we are not buzzing, you are giving us food." - literally, I repeat this is the consequences of the economic blockade) what prevented the trade of the "dead-end" state from interfering? Then, according to your comments, they would collapse on their own) but for some reason they are afraid to give trade opportunity is question-why?
                          strange, here are many feudal states are "handshake", and "feudal" Korea Zangnan in the blockade and all condemned) what to do with this duality?
                        2. +1
                          April 5 2013 13: 54
                          set bad
                        3. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 19: 33
                          well that you put it. can you point out the mistakes right away? for example, why did Iran buy "worthless" Korean missiles?
                          Well, and the most important question is how these "backward Asians" were able to ensure that they were not crushed after the collapse of the alliance? They made a slingshot and frightened the advanced militarists of South Korea?
                        4. 0
                          April 5 2013 22: 57
                          aa ... understand .. for other people's ideals hurry to die? goodies. free will
                          And in Korea?
                        5. fartfraer
                          0
                          April 5 2013 23: 27
                          To be honest, I did not understand your question a little. Could you decrypt it?
        2. Hon
          0
          April 5 2013 11: 32
          In general, the DPRK army eats well, even by the standards of developed countries. service is the time when a North Korean resident eats well.
          1. fartfraer
            -3
            April 5 2013 11: 46
            that's what you argue)) they tell you they don’t eat well)) the soldiers are thin. Surely they will now find cannibalistic facts in the army of North Korea.
            By the way, who is interested in looking for information how to eat in the Russian Federation. Does it contain vitamins, proteins, fats, carbohydrates?
            1. 0
              April 5 2013 13: 49
              the food standard of a soldier of the Russian Federation - "The Secret of Polishenel". Come back from the 90s, no one eats dogs.
          2. +2
            April 5 2013 13: 46
            yes yo mine !!!
            I alone see in the photo "underweight"?
            http://topwar.ru/5592-armiya-v-severnoy-korei.html
            Do you know how the military advisers of the USSR in the "Korean", fattened the pilots, on pain of a tribunal? (because they were dragging the rations home) So for half a century, the indicators have never improved. And this is called a "trend". If they are starving from generation to generation, then .... something is wrong in their "Kingdom".
            1. fartfraer
              -2
              April 5 2013 18: 53
              I remember our pilots drank alcohol from the cooling system) what, all Russian drunks? are you making such a conclusion from this?
              1. 0
                April 5 2013 23: 01
                you make such a conclusion from this?

                no.
                1. fartfraer
                  0
                  April 5 2013 23: 31
                  Surprised. According to the photos of the Korean soldiers, they made a lot of conclusions, but on the facts from the service of the Russian pilots did not bother)
                  1. -1
                    April 6 2013 01: 27
                    If our pilots had an extreme degree of alcohol dependence, which led not only to a violation of the salt balance and the work of internal organs, but also to such a phenomenon as the "face of an alcoholic" (swelling due to metabolic disorders in the body, wrinkles are smoothed out), then. ... your argument would be correct.
                    In the case of the DPRK military, I observe a huge number of suspiciously thin people. And then there are stories about how our pilots forced them to eat them and how the Americans, entering into a maneuvering battle, understood by the behavior of the wings of Korean fighters who was in the cockpit ... (when maneuvering over 4 G, the Koreans were on the verge of losing consciousness, which affected fine motor skills of hands and, as a result, on the flight path. In short, approximately like a drunk car driving)
                    For 60 years, the problem of food has not been solved.
            2. Hon
              0
              April 9 2013 10: 45
              Quote: dmitreach
              I alone see in the photo "underweight"?

              Firstly, Koreans themselves are too small. Secondly, food is poor before service, and if you eat poorly in childhood, then later on it affects body weight.
              Quote: dmitreach
              Do you know how the military advisers of the USSR in the "Korean", fattened the pilots, under pain of a tribunal? (because they were dragging the rations home) So for half a century, the indicators have never improved. And this is called a "trend". If they starve from generation to generation

              As correctly noted, they dragged the solder home, and therefore they were malnourished. In North Korea, large resources are being allocated to the army, and this is partly why food shortages are forming. However, soldiers, unlike civilians, eat very well.
    6. +4
      April 5 2013 07: 46
      The spring exacerbation is among the Americans, and what does the DPRK have to do with it. It is interesting how the United States would behave if Russia would conduct any full-scale military exercises near their shores.
      And Scythian sarcasm is not appropriate here: Let the northerners eat! I, too, if the hungry always psyche, and how to eat, then I can speculate about world peace.
      If all this "isolation" is canceled, then they will calmly feed themselves and serve someone else. No need to sing to the music of Euroshtat. This country and its people are worthy of respect, not the other way around.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 12: 16
        the funniest thing is that in posts about Korea, advisers negotiate with enemies gain a bunch of approving advantages, and in posts about the Russian Federation these advantages are received by people who correctly state that it is impossible to believe agreements with NATO countries, states, etc.)) and these people condemn someone for politics double standards?
    7. +2
      April 5 2013 07: 47
      They are not preparing for war loudly! But Kim will achieve his goal. I believe that in the near future North Korea will be offered another humanitarian aid.
    8. +1
      April 5 2013 07: 57
      Well, they scared the Americans, well, they want to eat in North Korea. Instead of f-22, it’s better to throw more grub. winked
    9. +1
      April 5 2013 08: 36
      Wait and see. but the Far East didn’t catch the main thing, pah pah pah.
    10. +5
      April 5 2013 08: 56
      Talk about some kind of targeted aggression from the DPRK, IMHO, nonsense. In the situation in which it is located, threats against South Korea and the USA are the only way to survive. They are really afraid! Window dressing of these missiles or not is a moot point, but it’s better not to check. Without these threats and missiles, the DPRK would have long shared the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq and many others. Something like that, I think.
      1. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 09: 24
        sorry, I wanted to plyusanut and "missed"))
        and help as such could not be provided, it would be enough just not to interfere) and then the north would establish its economy
      2. 0
        April 5 2013 14: 02
        DPRK would have long shared the fate of Yugoslavia

        it seems to me that the point is not in the possible presence / absence of nuclear weapons, but in the motivation of the soldiers. Amer is most afraid of such an enemy. And in a peculiar locality. There are mountains. In the mountains with zelenka, and with holes for hundreds of kilometers ... to fight is like storming a fortress ... You can’t get a lot of planes alone, but soldiers rushing to give their souls for Uncle Syom, in omerig - a cat wept ...
        1. fartfraer
          0
          April 5 2013 18: 56
          Sorry for the flood, but here a lot of people claim that the soldiers are always hungry and their families are the same. And they are fighting with old clothes for their hated "hog". So what kind of motivation are we talking about then? According to local "analysts", the army will scatter at the first volley. only here is something Koreans do not know about it and are stubbornly preparing to defend themselves)
    11. +2
      April 5 2013 09: 20
      Not enthusiastic about North Korean ideology. But the article says: In the event of the beginning of full-scale hostilities on the Korean Peninsula, US bases located on Japanese territory will be considered as targets for missile attacks from the DPRK. What is wrong here? It turns out that European people can bomb the sovereign state in the Stone Age, and the rest can not be protected. Well, North Koreans do not have conventional weapons sufficient to protect themselves from external aggression. We open the Military Doctrine of Russia and read: Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against her and (or) her allies, as well as in the case of aggression against Russia using conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
      1. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 11: 37
        Vladimir, + vam. glad that at least someone thinks, and to many here it is useless to explain, they "agree". in due time they agreed before the collapse of the USSR. what will fall apart next?
      2. 0
        April 5 2013 22: 55
        Vladimir 70 + to you. There is such a document! and it is a pity that some (even the military on the site) did not read it. Well, you can’t lead the army and the state from the kitchen. There is a central office and an office in the Kremlin for this. Information in the kitchen and central office is of different quality.
    12. +2
      April 5 2013 09: 20
      Quote: Nickanor
      . In the situation in which it is located, threats against South Korea and the USA are the only way to survive. They are really afraid!



      And not who does not think that this "Eun" simply does not feel very confident on the throne he has inherited, and thus he is trying to strengthen his position INSIDE the country ...
      1. +1
        April 5 2013 13: 29
        and so it can be. Something similar was observed in Argentina, before the Falkland conflict.
    13. +1
      April 5 2013 09: 34
      Quote: svp67
      And not who does not think that this "Eun" simply does not feel very confident on the throne he has inherited, and thus he is trying to strengthen his position INSIDE the country ...

      I will join this opinion. The young grandfather's grandfather and dad were Personalities, and he clearly complexes against them. As if not playing too much ...
      1. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 18: 59
        Well, you’re a psychologist, you have a diploma? By the way, you don’t have a complex about the fact that you’re a middle brother? I think you throw out your complexes in a tyrnet so that your older brother, God forbid, doesn’t see. Only now I’m not a psychologist and I write "it seems" and you just say so emphatically.
        1. +1
          April 6 2013 01: 02
          fartfraer
          I am not a psychologist, I consider psychology a pseudoscience. Probably, at the end of my tirade, it was necessary to add IMHO or something like that. Sinful, og tongue
          Can you tell about your nickname? And then I'm without a diploma.
          1. fartfraer
            0
            April 6 2013 10: 33
            I have a simple nickname)) from my youth) he is a composite "lucky" and "fraer"
            lucky not in honor of the film of the same name, but simply this is a shorter designation "lucky", but a fraer ... like many young (even before the deadline) people were carried away by thug romance, hooligan in his youth from a small mind and insanely grateful to the army and his political officer Mr. Koval (on the term) and senior l-n Andrei Gernyk (on the contract) for having a huge positive impact on my upbringing.
            here is a short story of my nickname. Regards hi
    14. dmn2
      0
      April 5 2013 09: 59
      There is an opinion that this game between the DPRK and the USA has the goal of imposing Russia on radar and missile defense systems from the east. And the DPRK attacks on the USA are a reason for this. More details here - http://telegrafist.org/2013/03/27/47862/
    15. +1
      April 5 2013 10: 00
      He certainly goes too far and apparently does not understand all the responsibility lying on him. But we must pay tribute, the United States, along with Koreans and Japanese, ofigeli from him! No one has ever said such a thing to them! smile
    16. jimm RAINOR
      -1
      April 5 2013 10: 12
      Quote: Sasha
      And I like it .. Put it on everyone and does what it needs. And does not listen to "friends" and "partners" In contrast to the "slave in the galleys", and "guarantor" in combination.


      Oh, what independent ... ... Hitler also behaved odiously ... while the British handed him over to Czechoslovakia, then Poland and then France ... Exactly the same "independent" was ...

      I won’t be surprised if all these performances by the Korean leader are such a theatrical performance so that the Americans have a reason in the Asian region to build up a naval group and put pressure on China .....

      And about his independence - laughter in the hall ..... he will strike ... then roll him out into a radioactive glass ....
      I remember Krylov was like this: "Oh, MOSKA know she is strong .... if she barks at an elephant"))))))
      1. amp
        amp
        +1
        April 5 2013 10: 52
        I won’t be surprised if all these performances by the Korean leader are such a theatrical performance so that the Americans have a reason in the Asian region to build up a naval group and put pressure on China .....

        They do not need any reason.
      2. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 19: 57
        ". he will strike blows ... then they will roll it into radioactive glass ...." - it's good that you are not the president of the Russian Federation, otherwise in the war with Georgia we would not only not have stood up for our peacekeepers, but we would have given up North Ossetia, only there would be no war.
    17. 0
      April 5 2013 10: 13
      And it wouldn’t be possible to build together with the South Koreans some kind of livestock and industrial enterprises in exchange for reducing the intensity of relations. I am sure that the South Koreans are tired of living in tensions next to a restless neighbor and would have reached such a consensus. But this does not happen on any side. This means that someone needs this state of affairs in this region, and this situation is being fueled in every way. And the interest here is most in stellate whales to have their own aircraft and control (influence) this region.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 19: 55
        Colonel, and North Koreans are not tired of living next to a "calm" provocateur-neighbor?
    18. Adorofeev63
      +1
      April 5 2013 10: 15
      Interestingly, the Americans are training infantry in the Middle East, and missiles will be trained to shoot down over the "more eastern" countries, a good experience, and an excellent missile defense test
    19. amp
      amp
      +1
      April 5 2013 10: 50

      This is about 800 people. while southerners have about 000.
      North Korea may well attack.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 19: 44
        how so? the hungry and the oppressed turned out to be more prosperous and advanced? well, okay, it happens. However, the technically advanced southern army is never afraid) 800 poorly armed, always hungry soldiers with primitive missiles do not pose a threat to one of the leaders in electronics and even with the support of the states. I understand from the comments. So why are they, these southerners, so long preparing to conquer these "natives with spears"?
      2. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 19: 45
        "The DPRK may well attack." - you are not a zombie (I do not offend, I just did not find another word)? It is the south that speaks of the first strike, why do you so stubbornly blame the north for this?
        1. 0
          April 5 2013 21: 35
          And why the explanation does not fit that the whole world taught history well and remembers what happened on 25.06.1950/XNUMX/XNUMX wink therefore, it is SC
          1. fartfraer
            0
            April 5 2013 22: 13
            This is correct, and here I agree without irony. It remains only to explain why they are not afraid of amers - the country, the only one that used nuclear weapons "for their intended purpose". Well, I'm sorry, I digress.
            if one state is afraid of another, then it must be ready to respond to aggression, have enough strength and resources to respond so that it does not seem like little. Do you agree with this? I hope so. Now further, when one state declares its desire to strike a preemptive strike on the other, then the other should react with a statement of possible retaliation, I think so. Let us clarify, I deliberately do not name the states, substitute any, the USA and Russia, the European Union and Syria, North and South Korea, Japan and China. The list goes on , claims all over the world from each other are many. and so, just take the first couple of countries as an example. Let's assume that the United States declares that Russia should be bombed in the name of democracy. Russia replies that "you can try, but so ... by the way, we have something to answer, and even nuclear missiles are encountered in the army. "Will Russia be condemned by you?
            we take another pair of countries - the European Union is outraged by the suppression of the "rebels" (bandits in fact) by the Syrian army and threatens to use force. Is it worth the Syrians to "turn their tails" and go on about Europe, or is it necessary to declare that they are ready to defend with arms in their hands your independence in decision-making, both internal and external?
            after that, let's listen to your answer and your opinion on the hypothetical options that I wrote about and then together we will think about what the DPRK reaction should have been.
            1. BruderV
              +1
              April 5 2013 22: 30
              Quote: fartfraer
              What should have been the reaction of the DPRK.

              Question reaction to what? There are no statements from the United States or South Caucasus about attacks on the DPRK. Or in response to border exercises, do you need a vigorous loaf in response to charge? Flying there B-52 did not fly over their territory who knows? Only now, something recently, the South Caucasus is not drowning corvettes and shelling islands, but quite the contrary. In principle, both for the corvette and for the island, it would have long been possible for the kings to tap the starlight as it should, but for some reason the south suffers.
              1. fartfraer
                -1
                April 5 2013 23: 18
                I remember about the islands, huh) I just remember the northerners said that it was a response to the shelling from these islands. Well, here you can approach selectively and ignore the northerners, otherwise you will have to reconsider your attitude to the media, right?
                “The B-52 flew there, who didn’t fly over their territory, who knows?” -They know and talk about it. You know that it didn’t fly?
                http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2013/04/01_a_5223105.shtml
                read the link) it really turns out that both countries are not going to strike the first blow, however, it is written about the preventive strike of the south)
    20. fartfraer
      +1
      April 5 2013 11: 01
      but why are you criticized on this site? here is the question))
      1-probably for his threat in the event of an attack to use against the states (including) missiles with nuclear (possibly) ammunition? Criticism is justified, given how many statements I have read here "climb into the Russian Federation, get" poplar ".
      2-for power blackmail? Justified! This is where it’s been seen to demand something threatening with force, etc.! For some reason they forget about gas blackmail by Ukraine, about American aircraft carriers around the world, about the exercises of the Russian Federation and the statement about the presence of our fleet in the Mediterranean Sea (showed that it is worth reckoning with us that not all polymers are tarnished).
      3-yn ate everyone, a fat Korean. And it’s true, it’s necessary, he’s fat, and the Koreans eat 400 g of rice a day in all. The criticism is fair. Most likely, those who don’t eat, but give the last to homeless tribesmen, who rejoices at the president buying a camera for 100 tyrov, who has adopted ten homeless children. I shake your hand in absentia, unknown heroes!
      4- "It's high time to come to an agreement" many people on this site advise ynu. Well done, they think about Koreans, about their well-being! What would you advise the Russians, gentlemen-advisers? To agree with the states? Or maybe even join them? Or maybe it's time to start with the militants negotiate in the Caucasus? like on Wednesdays not to blow up, but you can blow up twice on Saturday? you are subtle politicians, glad that you are ready to negotiate with everyone even at a loss. It's a pity that he is not like that.
      "you are going to personalize" they say)) ay, guys)) are you not discussing the personality of the Korean leader? and are you writing on a public resource on the global network?)) so why can you and not me?
      And finally, I didn't want to offend anyone with my comments, but I want to ask the members of the forum to think with their own heads, and not joke about a small country that turned out to be brave enough to contradict the "world democratizer" alone
      1. -1
        April 5 2013 14: 05
        and what is criticized on this site by you


        for the face is wider than the back. at least on a diet, for the sake of decency .... but here the mentality ... not only the Turks have a stomach - a sign of wealth ... what to do ... they live in the Middle Ages ...

        Wahhabis and other irreconcilable Aum synriconists (and other sotonists), the SACREDLY BELIEVE their confessors.
        Do we take them as an example of devotion to duty?
        1. fartfraer
          -2
          April 5 2013 19: 05
          but, it’s all in the face)) thanks for the explanation. Primakov down from politics, etc. where he rubs there, ish what, he’s also muggy. By the way, didn’t you pay attention to the shaman, Troshev (the kingdom to him is heaven-general from God)? thin. so what? are you against the shaman in the army?
          from the Wahhabis, an example in this regard can be taken - loyalty to duty (although they understand it "in a peculiar way") and the idea, such a thug cannot be bought for chewing gum. although it is not for you to explain, you can just buy and you will change your mind. I will not buy, do not need.
          1. 0
            April 5 2013 23: 15
            First of all.
            Shamans, Troshev - are written with a capital letter. These are surnames. Yes, and deserved the deeds that they would write with the Title.
            Second.
            They are Slavs. For us, this face shape, by the age of 50, is a common occurrence, and not an exception. Thanks grandfathers! For they didn’t starve for centuries and didn’t use cockroaches and other reptiles to write with hunger ... That they, in adulthood, overgrown their belly in adulthood, have a right. Their track record allows. For the homeland served.
            And young Eun, like a tanned Obama Barn, well, the one who "got the peace prize" ... Eun for the future or in reserve was obese? Or did you manage to accomplish the feat? oGa - was born in the right family. Damn feat.

            a thug can't be bought for chewing gum.

            Why pay? Enough IDEAS in which he will believe. Do not you get it or read little books?

            you can just buy

            again:
            Do not draw conclusions for me and I will not tell you where to go. Do you agree?
            1. fartfraer
              -1
              April 5 2013 23: 42
              I agree about the generals, here your comments are justified.
              I’m already tired of writing about it, but I’ll write it again from the principle — it doesn’t matter what system in Korea is and who leads it, but whoever it is and how they live is their personal business and their personal problems, so far they didn’t attack. as soon as they show aggression I will immediately write a koment condemning them all and in particular, but if they commit aggression against them, I personally will understand all their actions aimed at protecting their state.
              and again, I repeat, I like that the small country under the blockade has not broken down and continues to pursue an independent policy. And until it attacks, I will like it.
              “Enough IDEAS, in which he will believe. Do not understand or read little books?” - quite right, the idea, the purpose of life, whatever you like. He's dangerous. Do you know what I mean?
          2. SIT
            0
            April 6 2013 00: 10
            Quote: fartfraer
            from the Wahhabis, an example in this regard can be taken - loyalty to duty (although they understand it "in a peculiar way") and the idea, such a thug cannot be bought for chewing gum

            Yeah, they definitely won’t go for chewing gum. Less than 500 bucks for laying a land mine is useless. No one will do it. While there are no bucks, they are slowly robbing their racket, but how did the Saudi bucks flow immediately to Allahu Akbar and go on declaring jihad to infidels.
            1. fartfraer
              -1
              April 6 2013 00: 39
              I agree) they were just cited as an example, I had to answer accordingly. In this case, the image is collective. And "paid soldiers" are precisely the most unprincipled warriors, to which we are "called upon" here.
              hope for understanding
            2. +1
              April 6 2013 01: 37
              Less than 500 bucks for laying a land mine is useless.

              No, not like that. Less than believing in the opportunity to earn .... yes, at least five times five hundred bucks ...
              Chechen fake bucks remember with dope? The same is in Syria.
              Why pay a stoned, disposable hob if he was written off before the Army multiplied to zero? Only as a "lure" for other sincere idiots. What legends would go about "real earnings". Those who have money there are the "field commanders". That is why sometimes they fight among themselves ...
        2. fartfraer
          -3
          April 5 2013 19: 53
          "for the fact that the muzzle is wider than the butt." - Chavez was also not thin ..
          1. +2
            April 5 2013 23: 20
            Chavez has done a lot for the country. To spite the adversary. He is loved for deeds, not for passport the fact of birth in the holy family.
            He actually got into prison (he could have been shot), took a chance and took responsibility when he organized an upheaval. I didn’t run like BAB & ko, but TAKED RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF for trying to seize power by the military. Already for this fact, he would have considered it an honor and would have told his grandchildren if he had been lucky to shake his hand. He is a true LEADER. Not that fake - Eun. Never.
            1. fartfraer
              -1
              April 5 2013 23: 44
              read above, I wrote to you that I personally don’t care about you, and I asked for what they don’t like (without claiming that we should love) they said “for a fat face.” I gave examples of people with fat faces and it turned out that the face had nothing to do with it)
    21. +2
      April 5 2013 11: 14
      Not all information leaks into the media. The essence lies in the shadows. In fact: there is a conflict 3,14 - zezh (both on the part of the DPRK and on the part of their opponents - the USA, ROK, Japan). The worst thing is that in this situation, we (Russia) do not have real levers of influence on it (such a picture is formed from the reports of the same media). And in any way out of this situation (war or another compromise solution, read - "coaxing" the next KIM, through the DPRK-US), Russia does not gain anything, but can only lose. Conclusion: the leadership of our country and its military and foreign policy departments need to work out several scenarios of influencing the situation, to our, Russian benefit, first of all, not hypothetical, but one that can actually be extracted ...
      Of course, this requires the political will of our leadership. This was a general discussion. But! Apparently (the management is too complacent and calm and is engaged in other matters), three options are possible:
      1. Either it has absolutely accurate information that the next psychosis will be curtailed by a certain date and everything will settle down again;
      2. Either the leadership (together with the leadership of the PRC or without it, although recently there was a meeting of top officials and there is no sensible behind-the-scenes information anywhere) secretly "leads" (controls) this situation, together with the process of its possible development;
      3. Either "he doesn't own a shit, doesn't control, doesn't influence", but stupidly hopes for the Russian maybe ...
      In the last paragraph I can not believe it. And you?..
      1. +4
        April 5 2013 11: 45
        Quote: Scary ensign
        2. Either the leadership (together with the leadership of the PRC or without it, although recently there was a meeting of top officials and there is no sensible behind-the-scenes information anywhere) secretly "leads" (controls) this situation, together with the process of its possible development;


        Judging by the latest quiet gestures of the Chinese, this option is the most realistic. Without agreement with Russia, they would not quietly build up their shock fist in Liaoing. And this process began just in time after the visit of Comrade Sitzzipin to Russia. Since the end of March.
        The Chinese would never dare to play muscle near Vladivostok without consulting with Russia, why would they need extra problems?
        1. +1
          April 5 2013 14: 14
          there is still the 4th scenario, the most dangerous:
          a'la Cykoshvilli.
          Only this time, Kimushka, can China and Russia substitute, unlike 888..

          "coaxing" the next KIM,

          becomes a tradition, because I don’t see any alternatives. Unfortunately.
    22. Starksa
      +3
      April 5 2013 11: 36
      How long does he think
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 12: 19
        how it angered you)) it remains to clarify what exactly outraged, what "long" or what "thinks"?
        1. +3
          April 5 2013 12: 36
          Quote: fartfraer
          how it angered you)) it remains to clarify what exactly outraged, what "long" or what "thinks"?

          here it’s rather different - all sane people understand that he does not think to attack or not and does not think when to do it. It’s about the fact that Eun is bargaining for grub
          1. fartfraer
            -2
            April 5 2013 13: 13
            ) we return to the question of the blockade of the DPRK) would allow them to trade, would not receive an increase in tension.
            what kind of attack are you talking about if he insists that he will not attack first? and he has already repeated the words about "drowning the enemy in the sea" at the exercises of coastal defense)) not at the exercises of special forces or tank crews, but the coastal DEFENSE) since when has the defense of one's state been equated to bargaining for food and the threat of muir?
            1. +2
              April 5 2013 13: 26
              and where does he (or you — a fierce supporter) have information that an attack is being prepared on the DPRK ??? or, has it already taken place? here is a surprise. or is it just paranoia? no - this is blackmail, for every state has defense. But not every state is positioning itself in such a way that almost the whole world perceives it as an aggressor (everything is out of step, and you and Eun keep up) and prepare UN resolutions one after another
              1. fartfraer
                -1
                April 5 2013 19: 21
                "(or you have - a fierce supporter)" - I have already said, but I have to repeat, I am his supporter in terms of conducting an independent policy, in the same way I am a supporter of Lukashenko and Chavez (I hope the Bolivarians will not betray his course), as well as a supporter of political independence the collapsed union.
                back to blackmail, the promise of a retaliatory blow is this blackmail? you are not a politician? and then you say one thing to you, and you perceive it somehow "between the case and not so."
                1. +2
                  April 5 2013 20: 49
                  Quote: fartfraer
                  Is the promise of a RESPONSE blow is blackmail?

                  retaliatory strike by nuclear weapons. Forgot to add. And where did you see the statements of South Korea, the United States or some other country that the DPRK would be conquered, that someone was going to start a war against them? what is the DPRK responding to?
                  1. fartfraer
                    -1
                    April 5 2013 21: 38
                    but where did you see the use of nuclear weapons? and about the first strike of the south, as an option, it is written in this post (for example). So that you are not looking for a hint, at the very end.
                    if it’s difficult for you to perceive large texts, let's write shortly (a series of questions no more than 10 words. after each question I will give the opportunity to think and answer)
                    let's start
                    in which case does a nuclear-weapon state have the right to use it?
            2. +2
              April 5 2013 14: 24
              Well, spruces, again about Feberger ...
              they would allow them to trade, they would not receive an increase in tension


              Russia - Belarus Union State?
              Spiritually, ideologically close?
              Belarusians starving?
              Do not go to Russia?
              Belarusian firms do not exist in nature?
              In Belarus, hell and death?

              fuck !!!! am
              WHAT INTERFERES COMMUNIST CHINA TO DEVELOP ECONOMIC RELATIONS WITH DPRK????????
              ....... DPRK policy......

              Threat. With a neighbor - Russia, Vera does not order to develop the economy of the DPRK? ... Or are the Evil Imperialists?
              1. fartfraer
                -3
                April 5 2013 19: 08
                )) Well, you’ll hit the target directly)) the counter example-the Russian Federation refused at the time to deliver the already paid air defense systems to Iran. why?
                By the way, who told you that they are against trade with the Russian Federation?
                1. fartfraer
                  0
                  April 5 2013 21: 52
                  Yes, and China is unclear what is preparing in this mess
                2. 0
                  April 5 2013 23: 35
                  against trade with the Russian Federation

                  Before you dash off the answer, read the post of the opponent thoughtfully.
                  develop development according to Ozhegov's dictionary:
                  DEVELOPMENT, 1st, cf. 2. see develop2, -sya2. 3. The process of natural change, the transition from one state to another, more perfect; the transition from the old qualitative state to the new, from simple to complex, from lower to higher. Laws of social development. XNUMX. The degree of consciousness, enlightenment, culture. High mental p.


                  with a neighbor - Russia, develop the economy DPRK Faith does not order?
                  1. fartfraer
                    0
                    April 6 2013 00: 15
                    yes, the conversation with you takes on a different meaning) let's discuss Ozhegov’s dictionary. can you start a short course of lectures? when the author of the dictionary was born, where did he study? and then according to plan.
                    then try, without yanking-prompts, to write in what side you dragged it to the post about the situation in Korea. I believe that you will succeed. By the way, I also advise you to read something about logic, compare the characteristics of the K-701 and the pine tree, study questions about spider healers and the life of isopods. and then, perhaps, you will again be interested in the topic of Korean relations and the problem of solving the old conflict.
            3. -3
              April 5 2013 23: 09
              You are either minus the jerks born in the days of "freedom" or our notorious hamster class.
              1. fartfraer
                -1
                April 5 2013 23: 48
                nice to get support from Kazakhstan) I was born there) but for the minuses I am exactly, I’m not the first day in tyrnets. I myself only add what I like or minus, but only obvious fascism and intentional insults, which I advise all my “admirers”)
              2. +1
                April 6 2013 15: 45
                Klim, and the Cossacks (Quiet Don novel by M. Sholokhov) are hamsters?
                They have a yard and a cow and a horse ....
    23. Vtel
      -2
      April 5 2013 14: 30
      In vain do the Amero Yankees underestimate Kim Jong-un, can they have IT?
      1. dmitry46
        +2
        April 5 2013 14: 44
        only Russian demobility has such weapons and only on the photo in demobilization albums!
        1. fartfraer
          -3
          April 5 2013 19: 16
          what pride in words) why are you silent and don’t talk about the collapse of the Russian army based on this photo?
    24. smershspy
      +4
      April 5 2013 14: 56
      Sorry for him! So young yet!
      1. fartfraer
        -3
        April 5 2013 19: 17
        why is it a pity? should young people in all respects yield to pressure from outside? is he the head of state and acts in the interests of the state
        1. albanech
          +2
          6 June 2013 11: 51
          He does not act in the interests of the state - the people! It's ridiculous! laughing
    25. Kuzkin Batyan
      +3
      April 5 2013 15: 57
      North Korea asks Russia to take out ambassadors. It seems they’re not bluffing, actually decided to shy away?
      1. fartfraer
        -4
        April 5 2013 19: 27
        what adequate response should there be during an attack? I just asked for fun. if the Russian Federation strikes in response to this is normal (for example, the war with Georgia)? and if the European Union strikes in response to the attack? so what makes you so surprised at the decision to strike back from the EU?
        By the way, here in Syria and the Caucasus, the militants are crawling, what kind of adequate response should they give? a letter of thanks? Yes, no question, only it should be scratched on the missile's warhead, and if their addressees have time to read
    26. +4
      April 5 2013 16: 32
      I may be wrong, but it seems that the United States and others like them are deliberately bringing the situation in Korea to such a state that it is possible to deliver a preventive strike against North Korea, save yourself from a constant headache and at the same time look in the eyes of the world community as a savior of mankind. Everything is as old as the world. It is bad that the head of North Korea is young and is being conducted on chaff. But the whole situevina is such that it is enough for someone to fart loudly and everything will fly to this very mother. Then everyone will get it: those who are nearby, and those who seem to be far away. Chernobyl and Fukushima seem like flowers
    27. Drappier
      0
      April 5 2013 16: 55
      I thought that the military sowing of Korea would quickly strangle the fat man and something like a military junta would be organized there. Anne no, fatty himself slammed a couple of military men with a mortar, continuing the "glorious" Kim dynasty.
      1. fartfraer
        +1
        April 5 2013 19: 52
        and I thought when the marches of Nazi veterans were going on in the Baltic States that the political forces and Latvia and Estonia would work with "whirlwinds", "points" and "Iskander", but they, cunning, lay down under Europe and should not be touched
        1. Drappier
          -1
          April 5 2013 21: 48
          What should I answer? laughing I can only, well, no matter how it is in Lithuania, the Nazi veterans are not marching in view of absence, as for the other two neighbors, I absolutely do not care if they march there or not, this is their business, they can even erect a monument to Hitler’s backside and go to bow to him and kiss wassat Well, to summarize, tell me, isn't Mother Russia herself not for whom, as you said, to work from "points", "tornadoes" and "Iskander"? hi
          1. fartfraer
            0
            April 5 2013 22: 21
            "What should I answer?" - nothing, I did not ask you anything
            "But isn't Mother Russia herself for whom, as you said, to work from" points "," tornadoes "and" Iskanders "?" - now no, we have work for specialists, BB, FSB, but to beat the squares for the time being nowhere. although point weapons ("dots" and "iskanders") sometimes would not be in the way, I think. hi
      2. Kalita
        -1
        April 5 2013 20: 30
        Dear, it is technically impossible to "bang with a mortar" someone personally. Don't read American newspapers ..
    28. 0
      April 5 2013 17: 18
      And why did the bulk of the local "stratigs" and "onolitegs" decide that Kim Jong-un had an aggravation? Do you want to think so? Indeed, it is easier this way, and at first glance it is safer. But this is only at first glance. Didn't anyone think that North Korea has been trying to make Czechoslovakia of the 38th bottle over the past years? Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm paranoid, but to say that the United States is driven only by love for one's neighbor (South Korea) is already schizophrenia. And if, nevertheless, it does not motivate, then in any case there cannot be two guilty persons. Someone is still to blame
      1. fartfraer
        -4
        April 5 2013 19: 11
        "And why did the bulk of the local" stratigs "and" onolitegs "decide that Kim Jong-un has an aggravation?" - because they said so on the web or TV, which means everything is true) and they were forbidden to think, and even if they think that do not in any way speak out.
    29. +1
      April 5 2013 17: 18
      Well, the DPRK authorities have offered foreign states to evacuate their embassies, which is too much "serious"
    30. 0
      April 5 2013 17: 22
      Forgot Libya Iraq? Gaddafi was reckless in 2004 to say that he was not interested in the nuclear program. I then thought: well, you p ... c, why should you say that you have oil. Moreover, he began to unite the peoples of Africa. for decency, the western cesspool, led by the usa, waited a few years and then ... you know. it’s good that the Koreans do not have oil and people would survive for a long time. very hardworking and friendly people and more decent than the Chinese who set fire to forests for the purpose of subsequent processing of wood. they would be allowed to go and not the Chinese to develop q east.
    31. Drosselmeyer
      -2
      April 5 2013 17: 44
      It's time for China to quietly change this permanent Kim dynasty. He can only forever shake a nuclear baton (which may not even exist at all) and expect that he will not be slammed when the opportunity arises.
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 5 2013 19: 14
        how resolute you are. struck to the depths of your soul. maybe it's time for turkey to change the politicians of ukraine? or to change the states by a quiet assada? that it's time to quietly replace the power of Putin?
        1. Drosselmeyer
          0
          April 7 2013 15: 38
          What kind of stream of consciousness? And here is Ukraine, Putin, Assad and Russian patriots? The problem of the DPRK is discussed.
    32. 0
      April 5 2013 19: 08
      CHUCHKHE: the goal is to build "socialism based on one's own forces"

      Basic Provisions
      • The masses act as the subject of the social movement.
      • A nation with a high sense of national pride and revolutionary dignity is invincible.
      • In contrast to the capital economy, striving for profit, the main goal of the socialist independent economy is to satisfy the needs of the country and the population.
      • The people of each country are obliged to fight not only against aggression and enslavement, for the consistent defense of their independence, but also against imperialism and dominationism, encroaching on the independence of the peoples of other countries.
      • In order to establish a nationwide and nationwide defense system, it is necessary to arm the entire people and turn the entire country into a FORTRESS.
      • A revolution is a struggle for the realization by the masses of their independence needs.
      • Sitting idly by, waiting for all the necessary conditions to ripen, is tantamount to giving up the revolution.
      • To develop a correct view of the revolution, it is required it is imperative to put in the basis of upbringing a feeling of selfless devotion to the leader.

      • General philosophical views
      • Man is the ruler of the world and the master of his destiny;
      • Consciousness is the highest function of the human brain;
      • Nature is the object of human labor and the material source of human life;
      • A person infected with servility ceases to adequately perceive reality.
      (from Wikipedia)
      1. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 20: 26
        “In order to establish a national and all-state defense system, it is necessary to arm the entire people and turn the whole country into a FORTRESS.” - here many commentators dream of disarming their countries and in every possible way giving in to those who are stronger) Yes, we are far from the Juche.
        "A person who has become infected with groveling ceases to adequately perceive reality." - as correctly noted)
        "It is imperative that education is based on a sense of selfless devotion to the leader." - they are in vain, but if they served "democracies", they would have the right to steal, distribute their lands, kidnap people in other countries and bring them to torture in their own, and so ... they will receive for their Juche from the Democrats with the tacit consent of the "consumers"
      2. BruderV
        +2
        April 5 2013 21: 05
        Quote: Navy7981
        JUCHE:

        So what is the fundamental difference from Hitler's National Socialism? Or was Hitler proposing to burn Jews and gypsies in the 30s? Yes, no, the ideology before the war was more or less peaceful, and therefore they collaborated with Germany. About concentration camps in general, only in the 44-45th it became known.
        "A nation with a high sense of national pride and revolutionary dignity is invincible"
        It is clear what kind of nation in this case we are talking about, and since everyone else is defeated, it will not be difficult for an invincible one to lead the rest to a correct ideology.
        "The people of every country are obliged to fight not only against aggression and enslavement, for the consistent defense of their independence, but also against imperialism and dominationism, which encroach on the independence of the peoples of other countries."
        And how does this fit with propaganda videos where the DPRK burns Washington and crushes South Korea? These theses contradict themselves. That is, either the whole world must constantly be in a state of the Cold War, holding half a country under arms and waiting for someone to strike first, or the whole world should defeat the ideas of the chichigaga and it’s clear that it’s not in a peaceful way and then prosperity will come on the planet and understandably whose beginning.
        1. fartfraer
          -1
          April 5 2013 21: 45
          either the whole world should "lie down" under democratic America and be silent ... or the whole world should learn Chinese and build communism in the Chinese version ..
          Let me decipher my opinion, the internal affairs of the country are its personal affairs. (It does not matter what kind of system there is, who is in power there), but as soon as it shows aggression it must be "educated".
          any state has the right to defense
          this is short, I will not expand the answer, you are not dumber than me and you will understand everything
          1. BruderV
            0
            April 5 2013 22: 13
            Quote: fartfraer
            any state has the right to defense

            Well, what is defense? All countries arm themselves for defense, why then someone is advancing unclear. Eun started all this mask show because of the supposedly flight of the B-52 over their territory. And he was, was not - his xs. Now it’s everywhere written that Hitler imitated the attack of Poland, disguising the convicts as Polish soldiers, and if Germany had won, then Poland would have been the aggressor in the annals of history.
            Quote: fartfraer
            the country's internal affairs are its personal affairs. (it doesn’t matter what kind of system there is, who is in power)

            And how would you comment on Finland in the 39th and 40th and Afghanistan in the 79th? Aggression, imperialism, aggression? What was their aggression? Or say that there was a bunch of sacred nuances? Then do not blame others for double standards. One question can not be answered. If Eun completely disperses and begins to sell warheads to all sorts of Georgia, Iran or anyone else to sell, will your line remain unshakable? And the ships with missiles were already intercepted by the way.
            1. fartfraer
              0
              April 5 2013 22: 38
              You won’t believe it, but I consider the Finnish war and the Afghan as aggression. We don’t discuss what the reasons were, but in fact it was an attack on other states. That’s why I have refuted your accusation of double standards.
              I’ll probably answer the question that I don’t have to answer — if a peace system has been created in which only the presence of nuclear weapons can stop the aggressor, then any state will seek to get it, or get an ally with nuclear weapons. not a fiction, but a really functioning organization. As long as this is not there, I will respect the right of any state to protect its sovereignty, including nuclear weapons.
              Well, with regards to Georgia, the presence of nuclear weapons saved the Russian Federation from "collapse" with the help of the West during the Chechen wars, Georgia has no nuclear weapons and therefore it has a separation with the help of the Russian Federation of Ossetia and Abkhazia. I hope I answered your question
              1. BruderV
                0
                April 5 2013 22: 55
                Quote: fartfraer
                while this is not there, I will respect the right of any state to protect its sovereignty, including nuclear weapons.

                One problem. To take Pakistan today in power is the secular leadership, and tomorrow the next Islamic revolution and hello, the Taliban’s warheads can fly to Moscow. And as you say, they only respond to aggression when there are already ruins and ashes around, right? And if nuclear weapons appear in Africa somewhere, then this is not just one macaque with a grenade, but the equivalent of several million.
                1. fartfraer
                  0
                  April 5 2013 23: 54
                  Let me answer this way, there are only two options. either yours, or the one that we would have observed had it not been for nuclear weapons from anyone other than the Russian Federation, NATO and the states. the dictatorship of "democratizers" over the whole world with all that it implies.
                  ideally, it would be better for nuclear weapons and so forth. WMD would not be at all. but this is currently not possible, alas.
    33. Kalita
      0
      April 5 2013 20: 08
      If you look closely at Un's photos, then somehow the question of mental health arises by itself. He, after all, may well believe in his own universal greatness; from early childhood he was told everything about him in a row. So the result of the current hysteria can be disastrous.
      1. fartfraer
        -1
        April 5 2013 20: 20
        if you read your comments, you might think the same thing about you. just observation, not "hitting" in any way.
        But if you look at Assad? Or Lukoshenko, then you will not have such a thought?
    34. Bob
      +2
      April 5 2013 20: 16
      It seems that this is not a confrontation between North and South Korea, and in this "game" there are other stakes and players - the United States and China - the first and second economies of the world, both countries have declared the Asia-Pacific region - a zone of their strategic interests. To change the situation in a more favorable direction for themselves, and to show who is in the house - the APR is the owner, and the above measures are being taken. How far the true participants in the conflict can go in defending their interests, the near future will show.
      In favor of this version, at least the fact that last year the Chinese military officials in all seriousness called on the army and navy to prepare for war ....
    35. 0
      April 5 2013 20: 32
      And here is an alternative point of view:

      55 years ago, on January 29, 1958, the United States officially declared that they had dragged nuclear weapons into the southern part of the Korean Peninsula.
      This has become the main cause of the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula.
      As everyone knows, the Korean War (1950-1953) was unleashed by the United States and ended in defeat. American politicians, repenting that they could not use nuclear weapons in this war, after the war they desperately resorted to preparing for a nuclear war. They, openly, ranting that the Korean Peninsula is a “strategically important point”, the corresponding facilities for the use of nuclear weapons, and “an experimental site for nuclear war”, hurried with the import of nuclear weapons into South Korea.
      Thus, by the mid-1970s, South Korea had become the largest nuclear outpost in the Far East. Ronald Dimlons (then a member of the lower house of the US parliament) admitted: "The United States deployed more than 1000 nuclear weapons and 54 aircraft for carrying nuclear bombs in South Korea."
      The United States drew up a series of plans for a nuclear war against the DPRK, relentlessly specified them and put them on a practical plane through various types of militaristic games.
      Each year, together with South Korea, they held joint military maneuvers under various names, for example, Pole Eagle, Ulzhi Focus Lens, Limpek, and Freedom Vener, which involved huge nuclear warfare sufficient to wage one war.
      Thus, the United States has been threatening the DPRK with a nuclear war for more than half a century.
      The DPRK was forced to focus its attention on resolving the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula. Since the US statement on the import of nuclear weapons into South Korea, the DPRK has made every possible effort to resolve the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula. She joined the NPT and the IAEA, signed under the Framework Agreement between the DPRK and the United States. All this was aimed at neutralizing the US nuclear threat and thereby eliminating the possibility of a nuclear war outbreak on the Korean peninsula.
      However, the US nuclear threat to Korea did not decrease, but, on the contrary, increased.
    36. 0
      April 5 2013 20: 33
      When the Korean-American talks opened, the Clinton administration affirmed its position: it will not use armed forces, including nuclear weapons, in Korea, or even threaten them. She also said that she would no longer be hostile to the DPRK.
      However, the overseas monster did not fulfill his promise. The Bush administration, denying all agreements concluded between the DPRK and the United States during the Clinton administration, officially announced that the DPRK is the "axis of evil" and the object of a nuclear preventive strike.
      Korea was forced to withdraw from the NPT and strive to possess a nuclear deterrence force capable of self-defense.
      And at the six-party talks to resolve the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula, the United States reiterated that they had no intention of attacking and attacking the DPRK with nuclear or conventional weapons. They have repeatedly expressed their readiness to straighten out mutual relations with the DPRK and turn them into diplomatic ones.
      However, this time they did not keep their word. On the contrary, they increased the dynamics of strangulation of the DPRK, exacerbating the situation on the Korean peninsula to the limit.
      Similar facts show that the main culprit in the emergence of the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and the preservation of the escalating tension in this region are none other than the United States, that is, they have the responsibility for the possibility of an outbreak of nuclear war on the Korean peninsula.
      Despite this, the United States is trying to put this responsibility on the DPRK, passing off the truth as truth. According to them, the reason for the nuclear issue on the Korean Peninsula and the aggravation of the situation in this region is connected with the DPRK's withdrawal from the NPT and its nuclear test.
      Their ridiculous statements make everyone think about what the fate of Korea would be and how the situation on the Korean peninsula would develop if Korea did not possess the power of nuclear deterrence.
      Korea would not have escaped the tragic fate of Iraq and Libya, and the Korean peninsula would become the second Balkan peninsula (at the end of the last century) or the second Afghanistan (at the beginning of the new century). In other words, the United States would have long ago unleashed a war on the Korean peninsula. And then such a destructive war, which has not yet experienced humanity.
      However, fortunately, this did not happen. The fact is that the DPRK possessed the power of nuclear deterrence. That is the reason that the DPRK nuclear deterrence force reliably guarantees peace on the Korean Peninsula.
      DPRK, of course, had to have a nuclear deterrence force, but its ultimate goal is the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. She firmly believes that complete denuclearization must be achieved by neutralizing the US nuclear threat and resolving the nuclear issue as a whole on the Korean Peninsula.
      The world community is watching how the United States will react to this.
      It's time for them to take a responsible position. They cannot escape responsibility for the nuclear issue on the Korean peninsula.
    37. +1
      April 5 2013 20: 37
      And here is an alternative view of the problem: http://www.og.com.ua/OG-KNDR_9.php
    38. sokoloff4791
      +1
      April 5 2013 21: 56
      HOW TO ALREADY UNDERSTAND! AT THE SAME TIME AND AMERUS CHECKED YES AND EXCEPTIONAL COSTS TO OUR PARTNERS DO NOT HINDER))))))))))
      1. Volkhov
        +1
        April 6 2013 00: 04
        The problem is that at least at the first stage, the DPRK will deal with the Russian Federation. With a non-nuclear attack to the north, China can remain on the defensive along the border, and the South Caucasus and the United States will sit on the demarcation line ... and there is nothing to stop the Koreans.
        Maybe then China and America will get into a conflict, and maybe they will beware.
    39. sokoloff4791
      0
      April 5 2013 21: 59
      BTW AGREE TO Bob good
    40. +1
      April 6 2013 00: 41
      It is in vain that some "smart guys" here laugh at the North Koreans soldier
    41. 0
      April 6 2013 01: 15
      it seems to me that by the number of posts and questions, someone "fartfraer" - banal troll. fartfraer, sorry if that hi
      1. fartfraer
        0
        April 6 2013 10: 26
        no, I'm not a troll, just trying to understand the worldview of the local team)
        I like this site, quite a lot of interesting and close ones to me, a lot of people whose views I share. It was more surprising to get such a reaction to expressing my opinion on this topic, to see blatant rudeness in relation to an unfamiliar and nothing bad RF person (I about you). you correctly noticed I asked a lot of questions. but you should notice that I didn’t get any answers. I dare to remind you that I’ve been sitting on this site for a long time, but you haven’t even seen my nickname before, as you just read and spoke out very much seldom. I ask you to also pay attention that rudeness on my part only goes in response to the rudeness expressed (regardless of my address or on the topic of the post), I try not to start, but I know how, believe me)
        I hope I have at least a little dispelled your doubts about trolling. hi
        1. 0
          April 6 2013 15: 21
          But I do not consider you a troll. But the sharpness, in my dispute with you, is caused not by domestic rudeness, but by a specific run over to me about patriotism / for food.
          Perhaps we do not understand each other. But I do not consider fanaticism to be patriotism. To go to fight for your friends you need to consciously. In adulthood. Understanding the situation and adhering to the principles. Not with the brainwashed and Vera in "70 virgins in Eun's luxurious bed." (or other nonsense, essentially the same) Or with the mind of the 10th child, as in some gangs in Africa.
          You don’t understand or don’t want to understand this simple truth. I assume that you are being minus for this.
          hi
          1. fartfraer
            0
            April 6 2013 16: 32
            ok, I think this is my last koment in this topic.
            I understand you, fanaticism does not approve no less than yours, but! I repeat 10 times is the personal affair of Koreans. And no one in the whole world has the right to dictate to another state how to live and what to pray for. And all state have the right to defend themselves -you. but no one has the right to attack. therefore, if the DPRK is on the defensive (but for now I see the situation like that), then this is their holy right. if the DPRK attacks first, then the retaliatory strike from the south and the states will be quite understandable to me and I personally don’t condemn. all, thank you for your attention, we will meet in other posts
          2. +1
            April 6 2013 20: 04
            And for a moment, think of Kim Jong-un as a normal person, and not as a monster, abstract yourself so to speak. Or let’s name any politician you respect, of your choice, and I will make a monster out of him for a dispute in two hours. Believe it?
            1. 0
              April 7 2013 23: 13
              To some, SukoshviLLi is a hero.
              However, for me personally, he is a clinical ***. I cannot "theoretically" understand and forgive when deeds are exposed.
              1. 0
                April 8 2013 12: 37
                Exactly. But in Georgia he still has a lot of supporters
    42. biglow
      +1
      April 7 2013 09: 50
      Koreans need to give more obsolete weapons. Better than they will rust
    43. 0
      April 7 2013 10: 45
      It seems that the United States began to understand what another bottomless hole they were crawling into and began to quietly win back (or in the ass?) Yes, and Kim thought, having hinted that he would not mind talking directly with the US President. After all, by and large, he has nothing to fight with the United States and its allies. Sa and the situation is not at all what it was during the 1 Korean War Then the USSR stood behind North Korea (which pushed North Korea in the back) and China with its innumerable human resources, and now neither Russia nor China will fight for Kim.
      In general, the situation is very reminiscent of the one before the 1 Chechen War, when Yeltsin’s consent to direct negotiations with Dudaev could be sufficient to prevent the long-term annihilation of each other citizens of the same country. Starting a war is easy, stopping is difficult
    44. +1
      April 7 2013 22: 05
      P.I.Indosnya seems to be preparing for a REAL attack on the DPRK and this is likely to provoke nuclear attacks on Tokyo, Okinawa, possibly even Seoul. As a result, the United States and China will win. The US will win because REAL competitors to US companies in both Korea and Japan will be eliminated. In the event of such a mess, the US will write off its debts. China will win almost because of the same. If Kim has a joker in his sleeve (well, there’s a submarine with a bomb in the port of New York or something exotic), then China is definitely winning. Russia in any of the options-in the fools. Oil prices will collapse and Russia will REALLY starve. Therefore, the local observers of Kim need to think about their food supplies in their own country in Russia, and not in the DPRK ...
    45. 0
      April 7 2013 22: 36
      In the words of the classics: "I'm not a coward, but I'm afraid." I don't like this whole story, oh, how I don't like it.

      Option one (optimistic): it’s tricky .... e the Chinese decided to feel America for its soft South Korean-Japanese abdomen by the forces of its shock vanguard (I strongly suspect that in fact China’s relationship with its North Korean brothers is much warmer than it is considered to be). Why, and then, that they themselves will soon climb there, so to speak, reconnaissance in battle.
      The second option (pessimistic): in North Korea, things are so bad that Kim has nothing to lose ... what comes of it - I dare not even predict.
      1. -1
        April 8 2013 12: 25
        Again, their new leader first went to Russia. What did they "rub" about with GDP? Only they know about it
    46. Glover
      0
      17 June 2013 10: 13
      He would have an enema! And brainwash!

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