Military Review

Paintball vs. Paintball

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I decided to write this article in order to solve the eternal dispute between strikers and painters. The second goal of the article is to help people who want to determine for themselves what they are most interested in. I’ll warn you right now that I’m a fan of paintball, so I’ve taken a strike about materials from specialized sites and from stories of friends who are addicted to it. I hope true strikers will complement me in the comments.


So, let's begin.

History airsoft started at 1945 in Japan. After the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, the Japanese were forced to sign the act of unconditional surrender. In one of the points of the Act it was stated that they do not have the right to maintain their own armed forces and to conduct exercises using combat weapons. But the Japanese people are cunning, they have come up with a way out of the situation. Copies of real weapons were made that repeated the exact assembly / disassembly scheme, the rate of fire and other performance characteristics of real weapons. The only difference is that the copies were shot with plastic balls with a diameter of 6 mm. Naturally, these models went for free sale. Thus, in different countries, these games have gained popularity under various names, for example, air soft b hardball. In Japan, the popularity of air soft came at the beginning of 80's, the strike in Russia came in 97 year. This is roughly the story of the strike.



Airsoft Rules

1. Age of participants - at least 18 years

2. Mental equilibrium (If a person shows signs of mental imbalance and is able to prevent others from receiving positive emotions from the game, the team, as a rule, quickly breaks up with such a fighter. It is necessary to remember that responsibility for the fighter’s behavior lies not only on him, but also on team, and therefore refrain from any manifestation of aggressiveness and inadequacy ...)

3. Use only airsoft weapons permitted within this game (This is a very important requirement. Small arms indicated in the rules must fire with industrial-made 6 mm caliber balls weighing 0,12 to 0,43 grams (8 mm weapons are also allowed, but rarely used). Weapons not originally intended for shooting 6- or 8-mmballs are prohibited in airsoft. The speed of the ball from the barrel of the weapon is also limited - as required by the RF Law on Weapons (pneumatic toy with muzzle energy no more 3 joules are considered weapons) and requirements of the Rules, separately for each type of weapon: pistols, pump guns, automatic weapons of small, medium and large sizes, machine guns, sniper rifles with a single shot.)

In this part of the rules of the Association and the rules of the SC contain various restrictions listed in the table:

Type airsoft weapons Restriction according to the rules of the Association (caliber 6 mm), m / s Restriction according to the rules of SK (caliber 6 mm), m / s
Pistols, revolvers 110 120
Pump Guns 120 120
Small automatic weapon 120 160
Medium weapon 130 160
Automatic long-barreled weapon 140 160
Machine guns 150 160
Sniper rifles (not intended for automatic firing) 172 200


4. Measurement of speed is made when firing a ball with a mass of 0,2 gram.

5. When playing on objects that involve shooting at short distances (buildings), a weapon is used with a ball departure speed of no more than 120 m / s (this rule is the same for the Association and the UK).

6. For airsoft pyrotechnics, made on the basis of firecrackers (grenades, mines, charges of means of amplification) there are also serious limitations: the firecracker should not be more powerful than the widely known and available in the shops Corsair-6. All these restrictions are designed to reduce the painful and traumatic effect of hitting the balls and the explosion of firecrackers, to preserve the health and good mood of the players. Nevertheless, even a weapon that complies with the restrictions must be applied wisely.

7. Mandatory protection for eyes that can withstand airsoft ammunition (The greatest risk when playing airsoft is the risk of getting ammunition or a striking element in the eye. The flight speed of the balls and the striking elements of airsoft pyrotechnics is usually not large enough to cause injuries and injury to the body, but large enough to cause serious injuries to the eye.In order to minimize this risk, each player must wear goggles or a mask throughout the game, completely closed eyes and stand-up shots from the most powerful airsoft guns allowed.Gearing goggles or a mask can only be done in the non-game zone.If you need to temporarily remove glasses in order to wipe them, you must ensure your own safety - turn away, lean to the ground, hide behind your hand , weapons or equipment items. In general, take care of your eyes!)

8. Use of equipment and military-style equipment uniform for all team members (This requirement applies to any team visits to game events involving representatives of other teams. The purpose of this requirement is to ensure the player’s identification by the enemy’s fighters and allies in appearance. It is forbidden to play civilian clothes. It is forbidden to use the uniform used before 1953 of the year and the “soldier of the future” uniform.)

9. Willingness to strictly follow the rules of the game (The widest requirement, implying, firstly, a firm knowledge of the rules and the game scenario, and secondly - the desire to honestly perform the task set for the team.)



Airsoft Ethics

It is impossible to describe all subjects of disputes and disagreements on airsoft game. Almost any scenario involves a lot of options for teams, and players are constantly in non-standard positions. Nevertheless, over the years of the game, experienced fighters have developed a special code of conduct, partially regulated by rules, which should be known and guided by them in a disputable situation. Here are its main elements:

Accurate use of weapons

It is necessary to take into account the pain and possible injuries caused by a person hitting a ball or a grenade explosion. In the end, your target has only the role of such - the enemy, but in life it is your colleague, a good guy or girl, whose health you would be pleased to take care of. Hence the following requirements:

1. Do not exceed the speed limits of the ball! You, of course, want to shoot more and more powerful, but think about what it will be like to the person you get into!

2. Do not shoot from powerful weapons at short distances! Do not shoot any weapon at all! If you have a powerful main weapon, use a spare weapon (at a speed of no more than 120 m / s) or a pistol worn with you to play in the building. If a shootout occurs in an open area, and you have a powerful weapon, be very careful and if possible eliminate the ball from falling into a person from a short distance. For example, snipers are not recommended to shoot from a distance of less than 20-30 meters. If you get close to the enemy, and he does not see you, tell him something like “bang, you're killed.” In extreme cases, shoot him in the shoe.

3. Do not shoot in the head! If possible, refrain from shooting at open parts of the body, especially at the head. If you accidentally hit your head from a short distance - apologize, if necessary, offer help!

4. Do not shoot in a residential camp and non-game zone! In a residential camp, the weapon must be unloaded (with the magazine unbuckled) and with a safety lock. The same requirement applies to the build before the game and after the game. Weapons with a clasped empty magazine can be used in a residential camp only for photographing. Shooting weapons is allowed only in a specially designated area, making sure that there is no one in the sector of fire.
In the game, immediately after you are amazed, you should unfasten the shop and shoot the remaining ball in the barrel into the ground or into the air. In deadman should be with discharged weapons. Shooting in the vicinity of the ghostworm is prohibited.

5. Do not shoot at non-combatants! There may be non-combatants in the playing area - people who are not participating in the hostilities. These are photographers, videographers, attendants, etc. All of them should have elements of equipment (jackets, hats) in red. Shooting at them is prohibited. Also, you can not shoot at the affected players (they are also indicated by a red bandage). In addition, people who are not related to the game can enter the territory - fishermen, mushroom pickers, etc. They should be politely conducted outside the playing area, if necessary, ceasing the game for a while.

6. Do not shoot at animals, non-combat vehicles, alien property, flying objects! Do not throw grenades at boats!



Rules for the "dead"

1. Amazed - go away! A defeat is any ball hit on the player’s body or on the elements of equipment (clothing, unloading, backpack, etc.). Not considered a rebound and hit the weapon. Friendly fire counts as an enemy fire. A grenade explosion is counted if one of the elements of its filling hit you, or if the grenade exploded no more than a meter away from you. Defeat usually causes the most controversy. Nobody wants to “die”, and some players tend to hide or not recognize the fact that they hit the ball. This brings a destructive element into the game and spoils the mood of the enemy fighters. In addition, the deliberate "neznazanka" puts a bad stigma on both the player and the team. In some communities, an unknowing player may even try to “cure” in some unpleasant way: for example, giving him several bursts of dozens of barrels into his head ... Airsoft is a game of honesty. If it seemed to you that you were hit (a characteristic sound, a ball hit), you need to get up, designate yourself as stunned and go to the ghoul. If you didn’t notice the hits, and the enemy confidently asserts that you hit (this happens, especially if you are in motion), you don’t have to argue - you should politely and sincerely apologize, convincingly say that you didn’t notice the hit, and go to the deadworm. To mark yourself as overwhelmed means to put a red bandage on yourself (on the head, neck) or on the weapon, clearly visible by other players. A red lantern is put on at night. According to the rules of the SC, a red lantern can be used during the day.

2. Do not report and do not let anything live! The struck fighter should not give out the enemy’s position by a word, gesture or glance, should not pass through the enemy’s positions and engage in any kind of reconnaissance. Radio and any negotiations with the "dead" is prohibited. Transfer of weapons, ammunition, etc. affected live players are prohibited. The struck player may, by prior arrangement, leave the weapon or equipment for the members of his team or allies in place of the “doom”.

3. Do not bother alive! Get out of the battlefield as quickly as possible. If there is an intense battle over you, mark yourself amazed and lie down until the end of the active exchange of fire, lifting the discharged weapon with the barrel up. It should be borne in mind that live players do not have the right to use affected players as a cover, so behave so as not to provoke the living to such a violation.



General game rules

1. Do not cover the dead! Do not take a position so that between you and the goal, or in close proximity to you, or behind you are amazed players. During the shootout, do not approach the ghoul.

2. Do not argue! All disputes are resolved only outside the game or with the help of an intermediary, if one exists.

3. Be polite! Insulting other players with words, gestures or the use of force during the game is unacceptable! No need to “get used to the role” enough to shout insults to the conditional opponent, who, too, “having gotten to the role”, can take them personally.

4. Do not forget about mutual aid! In the event of an emergency situation (fire, accident, etc.) immediately help people in distress!

5. Alcohol and drugs are illegal! Drinking in a friendly airsoft company before the game or during the game is unacceptable. You should not count on your inflexible health and drink in the evening of the day preceding the start of the game. Any fighter who is under the influence of alcohol or drugs is not allowed to play.

6. Puncture a fighter - puncture command. Individual fighters for breaking the rules can be publicly expelled from the game. However, the team is also responsible for the actions of each of his fighters. In the event of serious violations, the team may be excluded from the airsoft community and close access to the big games.



Well, let's start about paintball

Paintball history

The history of paintball is shrouded in legends. Some argue that paintball was born in the 70-ies of the XX century in the depths of the CIA, others - attribute the invention to the Mossad. Still others believe that paintball was invented for the psychological relief of Vietnam veterans and for training fighters of the French Foreign Legion.

XIX century: the birth of colorful weapons

Even more ancient legends refer us to the 1878 year, when the first guns firing paint were used in France to train troops. Impact detachments of colonial expeditions in Senegal, Algeria, and Siam conducted training sessions on fighting partisans and effectively stripping villages with the help of training paintballs. Subsequently, the soldiers trained in this way showed themselves perfectly in real combat situations: during the Algerian 1879 campaign, not a single person was killed or only two were injured. This method of training soldiers could also be used by Russia: the military attache of the Russian empire in France as an observer attended the 1881 training of the year, where the successes of soldiers trained in firing using krakomets were demonstrated. And even 4 equipment was delivered to Russia (this effort was made, in particular, by the second cousin of the famous writer, the captain of the Life Guards Tolstoy). But these efforts were in vain - perhaps because of the excessive conservatism of the Russian army leadership. However, in France itself in 1889, the preparation program using kraskomets was closed.

Hitler's army and its markers

In 1937, the idea of ​​the French attracted the leadership of the general staff of the German troops, and as an experiment, an order was made to make samples of paintbrushes. A group of engineers led by Zimmerman was engaged in the development of a new type of training weapon, and the production of paintballs, which became known as "Saxon guns", was carried out at the plant in Grossstimig. As a result, a more perfect model was born, a practically exact similarity to the modern marker. Known is the fact that, thanks to the training of Wehrmacht soldiers using Saxon rifles in May 1940, a group of less than 100 gunners forced the entire garrison of French XbNUMX people to surrender after the 30-hour battle! Interestingly, the story again gave Russia a chance to start using paintballs in training Soviet army soldiers: after the surrender of fascist Germany, the military archives with the materials developed by the Saxon guns came to the USSR. The plant itself was dismantled and also sent to the Soviet Union as reparations. But it is clear that it was not destined to correctly dispose of useful technologies ... ...

These are legends. In fact...

The most common version, according to which paintball has become as it is at present, refers to North America. In 80's, in one of the states, the cowboy company, after laboring exploits for the benefit of American agriculture (and maybe instead of exploits), decided to play along with the paintmen they tagged cows and horses. By the way, hardworking Canadian lumberjacks also claim to be the fathers of paintball - they used paintballs to mark trees. As a result, it seems that the fun of the event participants was to “shoot at the tribesman without the risk of being behind bars”.

Paintball is divided into tactical and sports. Tactical paintball is a bit like a strikeball game. The rules and plots of games are also about the same. Sports paintball takes place on the court equal to the size of the hockey box. Where are the inflatable figures. Coverage area is a natural or artificial lawn, in Russia often use linoleum. There are several varieties.

1. Classic paintball. Two team 5 to 5 man. Duration of the game 5 minutes. The goal is to label all opponents, or to bring a flag from the base of the opponent to their territory. I will describe the rules below.

2. X-ball 3 periods of 25 minutes. A marked player leaves the field on 2 minutes to wipe the marker, replenish the balls and air. After 2 minutes, he steps into the game from his base. The goal is to bring the flag from the center of the field to your base as many times as possible.

There are also purely American varieties like 10 on 10 before the complete defeat of the team, but in Russia it did not stick.



Sports Paintball Rules

These are international league rules, so reading them is boring and time consuming. Who cares, can find them on this link. http://paintball38.ru/pravila-sportivnogo-pejntbola.html.

In general, what I wrote this article. Recently there was a publication about our youth that they have no goals, that they are lazy. In the discussions we touched on the topic of paintball and airsoft. The only thing is that everything there has slipped again on how much the equipment costs. Many, for sure, perceived it as a flood. In this article, I hope, officially remove all questions and try to interest young people.
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  1. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY April 8 2013 08: 57 New
    +6
    The name of the article does not correspond. There is no comparison.
    And so, I approve of any outdoor sport. Although the hunt will be closer to me.
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 09: 09 New
      +7
      I wanted the people who deal with these species themselves to compare. And I myself love hunting. drinks
      1. Fox
        Fox April 8 2013 09: 20 New
        +6
        But what is there to compare? Airsoft is cooler! YYY pictures are not inserted crying
        1. Armata
          April 8 2013 09: 37 New
          +4
          Than? So sluggishly running through the forest? Try it yourself on the platform under a stream of 30-40 balls per second. You yourself try to run like this during 3 periuds for 25 minutes. http://vk.com/video-23626916_159033301. Moreover, our balls weigh almost 3 grams and fly 98 m / s. This is not an 0,35 gram. For comparison, 12 cells fly at a speed of 160 m / s. laughing
          1. newnutella
            newnutella April 8 2013 10: 11 New
            +4
            Similar comparisons are truly nonsense!
            In each of the comparable there is something that the other does not have. But compare at least stupid!
          2. Fox
            Fox April 8 2013 11: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            Than? So sluggishly running through the forest?

            pictures are not inserted ... but as for "sluggish", it’s like someone. when we carry out the assaults, in full gear, seven pots will come off. and we don’t have smoke breaks "to recharge". the presence of army concepts about the tactics of the group’s actions, and per diem games "with a meaning" ... so airsoft is cooler! yes, we work with the military enlistment office, young people are willing to take special equipment: tactics, they know how to use equipment, maps, a compass. painters ... we mainly have corporate beer makers. 5 minutes of shooting-30 beer-barbecue. Ps.sy. and yes, in my opinion it’s stupid to "measure pisyunami", who has more balls. laughing
            1. MAG
              MAG April 8 2013 17: 12 New
              +4
              A couple of times I went on strike, for those who did not serve and did not shoot, I think it’s interesting, but I didn’t really like the only plus, communication with the guys! Young people to learn tactics are well suited if they are taught correctly, otherwise they will be tormented in parts to retrain, which will certainly be accompanied by lyuli laughing
            2. StolzSS
              StolzSS April 9 2013 00: 52 New
              +1
              Bazaar clearly! Yes, paintball equipment is simpler and cheaper, and the requirements for people are simpler. As one of my acquaintances, a young lady who I like to insult with a phrase, said that you don’t understand the homemade guy))) Airsoft is supposedly for those nerds who either didn’t take the army or are not allowed to return there))) Yes, and the paintball will be more massive simply because of its greater simplicity and availability.
              1. klew
                klew April 9 2013 10: 13 New
                0
                Since when did Payne become cheap? Professional paintball is expensive
                1. Armata
                  April 9 2013 17: 07 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Klew
                  Since when did Payne become cheap? Professional paintball is expensive
                  Well, who denied it. Are there many professionals in Russia?
                2. Swip13
                  Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 29 New
                  0
                  professional airsoft is even more expensive. Pros use original equipment, not replicas. And oats are expensive today and you can give 15 thousand for some pants.
          3. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 8 2013 12: 32 New
            +3
            Zhen hi. Why did you push the drain of drisches here ???? wassat
            I would ask you to send excellent pictures from the collection.
          4. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 8 2013 12: 50 New
            +8
            So sluggishly running through the forest?

            Night penetration of the enemy base in a group of 14 people.
            Then a fire raid and the destruction of the commander. + Capture valuable equipment and care with it)))).
            Zhenya, for example, our team from the buildings did not leave all winter training + training with riot police and special forces. So sho come on here, do not bark)))))
            1. Hon
              Hon April 8 2013 13: 32 New
              +4
              You still boast of your victories in counter-strike. Ramba damn it.
              1. Armata
                April 8 2013 14: 02 New
                +3
                Damn the guys, let's find out who is longer. Let's just look at the benefits of each species.
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv April 8 2013 14: 35 New
                  +8
                  Let's just look at the benefits of each species.

                  1 Price drive marker
                  Here, about the same basic approx. 10k and then how conscience to plunder the family budget allows.
                  2 equipment.
                  Here the airball confidently goes forward. I myself didn’t be a shellbreaker (unfortunately this fact has a place to be) spent about 30K on equipment as a winter field protective
                  3 Radio communication
                  Here the price is the same ok 5k for a good dual-band.
                  4 Ammunition Cost
                  Here airsoft is clearly cheaper than a package of balls 500-600 r in a package of up to 5000 thousand
                  Other perversions of Pribluda aka NVD I do not take thermal imagers because there is no topic

                  Next game
                  In a strike, these are usually forests with sizes from 1 km2 to large army training grounds.
                  There are also games on buildings and those built around them. But this is rather a rarity because buildings loot the local population.
                  Average games from 100 to 2000 thousand people.
                  Scenarios a bunch of species starting stupidly dumping wall to wall for some point ending in a full-fledged operation of the company level battalion. If the orgies are not stupid and have connections, then there will be another 100500 types of equipment.
                  I note on my own like working in buildings and a night fight.
                  If you take a military applied orientation, what can you get from airsoft
                  1 The correct motor skills of the body with weapons
                  2 Tactical skills when working properly there is a ready-made KomOT for reconnaissance
                  3 Survival skills in difficult conditions

                  On paintball, I think the mechanic will tell you better

                  PS If there is interest, I can lead a year-long training cycle for our beginners. Before joining the team.
              2. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 8 2013 14: 15 New
                +1
                . Ramba damn it.

                The game front line BASE NAF remembers our team coming from the toilet))))
              3. leon-iv
                leon-iv April 8 2013 14: 17 New
                +1
                You still boast of your victories in counter-strike.

                I can’t play shooters
                1. Armata
                  April 8 2013 14: 48 New
                  +6
                  My friend will answer you.
                  Marker by 20000-45000
                  5000-9000 Pro Feeder
                  cylinder 3000-9000
                  5000-17000 protection (whoever used to)
                  mask from 10000-1000. (well, there are still money filters there)
                  1300-5000 pants depends on the manufacturer
                  Jersey 2500-7000 depends on the pattern.
                  Well, the little things (inserts in the barrel, stem, cover for the balloon, well, all garbage) to 10 000.
                  This is for us, those who play in Europe and Russia
                  1. dmitreach
                    dmitreach April 8 2013 15: 21 New
                    +1
                    and the snowball then goes ... get the equipment from the cabinet ..;)
                    1. Armata
                      April 8 2013 15: 27 New
                      +2
                      Quote: dmitreach
                      and the snowball then goes ... get the equipment from the cabinet ..;)
                      I am already training with real balls. In winter, only tackles and approaches to the figures worked. During the winter 27 km I crocodile crawled just for the sake of warming up. drinks laughing
                      1. dmitreach
                        dmitreach April 8 2013 16: 27 New
                        +2
                        During the winter, I crawled 27 km with a crocodile just for the sake of warming up

                        Credit!
                        ahhh !!! shame on my head .... the only outing in the winter was planned as a “doomsday” LDPE (in December, also in the 30s, with an overnight stay), but I had to merge because of -30C. (shoes and snowshoes, not bought in a timely manner). guys laid out photos - snowmen. laughing
                        I'm sorry now. drinks
                      2. Uncle
                        Uncle April 8 2013 21: 33 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Mechanic
                        During the winter, I crawled 27 km with a crocodile just for the sake of warming up.

                        It’s a good sport, you can do it in the winter, but I can only clean the snow from my beauty in anticipation of navigation.
                  2. Ghenxnumx
                    Ghenxnumx April 8 2013 18: 07 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    My friend will answer you.
                    Marker by 20000-45000
                    5000-9000 Pro Feeder
                    cylinder 3000-9000
                    5000-17000 protection (whoever used to)
                    mask from 10000-1000. (well, there are still money filters there)
                    1300-5000 pants depends on the manufacturer
                    Jersey 2500-7000 depends on the pattern.
                    Well, the little things (inserts in the barrel, stem, cover for the balloon, well, all garbage) to 10 000.
                    This is for us, those who play in Europe and Russia

                    If you buy paintball equipment in the shops there (the same taobao, etc.) - almost every item in 1,5-2 comes out cheaper.
                    Airsoft, everything comes out more expensive.
                    1. Armata
                      April 8 2013 18: 35 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Ghen75
                      If you buy paintball equipment in the shops there (the same taobao, etc.) - almost every item in 1,5-2 comes out cheaper.
                      Airsoft, everything comes out more expensive.
                      Well, yes they say, "The older the child, the more expensive the toys." laughing And so it may be cheaper than equipment, but you have to train a lot more comrades wink
          5. Reindeer herder
            Reindeer herder April 9 2013 08: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Mechanic
            For comparison, 12 flies fly at a speed of 160 m / s.

            Explain what you mean.
            1. Armata
              April 9 2013 17: 12 New
              +3
              Quote: Reindeer Herder
              Explain what you mean.
              Hunting smoothbore with half-barrel and standard cartridge (not magnum).
              1. Midshipman
                Midshipman 11 December 2013 17: 26 New
                0
                Fraction takes off from the barrel at a speed of 370-400m / s.
          6. anton 42
            anton 42 12 May 2013 12: 28 New
            0
            I deal with airsoft, it’s closer to me, because there are no restrictions, fight at least a day + equipment + surroundings, there are no borders of fantasy, plan the game as you like, make your own scenario based on material and terrain, and do you need to learn tactics in paintball?
          7. Swip13
            Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 28 New
            0
            Try to get into the guarded camp yourself through three rows of real, not game spikes, clean it all up, and after fighting off take out a dozen shell boxes from the territory and run with them to the discharge point through the forest, uphill.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 8 2013 18: 03 New
      0
      I heard this saying: "an airsoft player is an adult paintball player." wink
      1. klew
        klew April 9 2013 10: 17 New
        +1
        More likely a loser paintball player.
        1. Swip13
          Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 32 New
          0
          the painter is a laser-tagger
  2. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik April 8 2013 09: 37 New
    +1
    Yes, I like airsoft more.
  3. radar75
    radar75 April 8 2013 09: 42 New
    +4
    I noticed a pattern - the more the army is shrinking - the more people are in shape. Both airsoft and paintball compensate for a person’s attraction to military forms of behavior.
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 10: 00 New
      +5
      Quote: radar75
      I noticed a pattern - the more the army is shrinking - the more people are in shape. Both airsoft and paintball compensate for a person’s attraction to military forms of behavior.
      Did you know that concepts like shooting, killing, weapons are forbidden in paintball? This is done so as not to cause aggression. And they are replaced by the concepts of cast, marked (or marked) marker. So paintball is a good training for conducting actions in a limited space, but it is not a melitarized game.
  4. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 09: 48 New
    13
    the article is not about anything .. but about the fact that airsoft is cooler, it’s kind of like a real weapon - it sucks airsoft for 3 years already and against tactical paintball, which isn’t talked about

    because tactical paintball uses weapons similar to airsoft, similar to military, of the same mass, with the same number of ammunition (on expensive tact markers, balls are delivered from the store, in turn, each ball is crammed into a "sleeve" that flies off when shooting) - but unlike airsoft, you can immediately see what hit. There are special sniper paintball rifles with special balls (they look like a shuttlecock).

    plus various grenades (domestic samples are generally tin - you can set up a signaling during a campaign, a thief has a heart attack - http://taginn.com/product/38-r2b.html), mines, etc. Up to grenade launchers, including under-barrel, coaxial machine guns (2-4 markers in a bunch, but control is carried out with one trigger), etc.

    plus the rule of thumb applies to the beat of the paintball: all ammunition is removed from the corpse and taken by its own if nearby, or by the killer, it’s not for nothing that each team has a donkey that carries the main supplies of ammunition, and its team guards very seriously, hitting a limb is caused by a medic, if after a certain time the medic does not come to the rescue - the player is killed, etc.

    in full gear, for example, I didn’t notice in the airsoft corny that they hit me :)

    It’s not for nothing that the siloviki handle melee precisely with paintball equipment, because you can immediately see where they got, and most importantly who got (the teams have different color balls)
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 09: 54 New
      +2
      And let's compare the actions of security forces at close range in sports paintball. Somehow we ran into collectors in a clearing, so they planted 10 games from 12 for 5 minutes each. At the same time, they asked us to behave like in a city battle. And I can’t stand the tactical, boring. But for the detailed koment "+". drinks
      1. Clueless
        Clueless April 8 2013 10: 11 New
        11
        Quote: Mechanic
        And let's compare the actions of security forces at close range in sports paintball. Somehow we ran into collectors in a clearing, so they planted 10 games to us out of 12 for 5 minutes each. At the same time, they asked us to behave like in a city battle


        So our security forces in the region played against athletes, according to the rules of sports paintball - and by themselves blew - because they were not used to pouring the entire feeder in the first minute of the battle, then another one. And then if you need one more :) Moreover, a sports marker, it’s like a machine gun, it trivially fills everything around.

        But when the athletes were limited to 50 balls, they blew, moreover, with a bang. They also blew when the restriction on balls was lifted, but the fight went on in an abandoned multi-storey building, there wasn’t even a fight there — but the massacre, then the men had to apologize to the athletes, otherwise they almost broke their ribs — they met in the doorway, well, the silovik out of habit, and kicked the athlete in the stomach, because shooting was not convenient :)
        1. Armata
          April 8 2013 10: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: Bad
          But when the athletes were limited in the number of balls in 50 pieces, they blew, moreover, with a bang. They also blew when they removed the restriction and the balls, but the fight was in an abandoned many-story building, there wasn’t even a fight - but the slaughter, the peasants then apologized to the athletes, otherwise they almost broke their ribs — they met in the doorway, well, the silovik out of habit, and kicked the athlete in the stomach, because shooting was not convenient :)
          I have Autococker for such cases. And he brought him from Canada from the competition. The machine is extremely accurate and quite economical. For the 8 year I have been playing striker (coil). I bought myself Harnes on 3 tubes. And think enough for such hassles. For competitions I take either the old angel 2 or the shocker 7. Both cars are not bad. But even then, in 25 minutes, the 10-15 tube leaves. And if in defense they sit there they wear as many as 2 Harnes on 9 tub (tortoise) for 5 minutes in sport. But with the Incas they generally played tipmanomi and with only one feeder per game (and there was one without feed). The funniest thing was that I managed to go one unit and put a couple of balls at a fighter at point blank range, but he did not see me stupidly behind the shadows.
    2. Swip13
      Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 46 New
      -1
      comment about anything. salmon tuna. he has something similar in tactical paintball. In the basic version of the strike, everything is initially similar. If you want the real capacity of the stores, no one forbids you to throw 30 balls into a mecha instead of 100 or just buy mecha for 30 balls. Do you want to surprise with special sniper rifles? Grenades? In the strike there are mortars, grenade launchers (and underbarrel also), miniguns, a flamethrower and a gun, homegrown armored cars with turrets were noted several times.
      Quote: Bad
      plus the beat rule applies to the beat of the paintball -

      So what? In a strike, a script can include anything.
      Quote: Bad
      It’s not for nothing that the siloviki handle melee precisely with paintball equipment, because you can immediately see where they got, and most importantly who got (the teams have different color balls)

      Well, it looks like the pros actually end there.
  5. as3wresdf
    as3wresdf April 8 2013 09: 56 New
    -2
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation on this site twitlink.ws/baza and most importantly did something like searching for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phone numbers, place of work, and what’s worst is even mine exposure of photos (I don’t know where from ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as “hide data”, of course I took advantage of it and I advise everyone not to hesitate,
  6. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 10: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Mechanic
    Did you know that concepts like shooting, killing, weapons are forbidden in paintball? This is done so as not to cause aggression. And they are replaced by the concepts of cast, marked (or marked) marker.


    something I don’t recall such prohibitions :) I have already heard the word cast, mark, marked - I have never heard ..

    unless a marker is a marker of course everyone calls
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 10: 10 New
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      Have you been playing for a long time? And if not a secret, then in which club?
  7. AndreyAB
    AndreyAB April 8 2013 10: 08 New
    +9
    Actually, the idea of ​​introducing airsoft as a preparatory course for the training of draftees, to collect for a monthly training camp for half a year and to carry out an elementary minimum of combat training, well, or three months, and in schools for grades 10-11, indispensable fees with airsoft, would not be bad.
    1. Clueless
      Clueless April 8 2013 10: 19 New
      +3
      Quote: AndreyAB
      Actually, the idea of ​​introducing airsoft as a preparatory course for the training of draftees, to collect for a monthly training camp for half a year and to carry out an elementary minimum of combat training, well, or three months, and in schools for grades 10-11, indispensable fees with airsoft, would not be bad.


      Liberal parents will not be happy about this.

      You can not air strike, but paintball, there are reusable balls .. though they still have the ballistics :)
      1. Armata
        April 8 2013 10: 26 New
        +1
        Quote: Bad
        You can not air strike, but paintball, there are reusable balls .. though they still have the ballistics :)
        And it hurts to get them. Reusable, it seems only in Moscow I saw at the Russian Legion, and then only once. They showed them to us.
      2. Swip13
        Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 50 New
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        Quote: Bad
        You can not air strike, but paintball, there are reusable balls .. though they still have the ballistics :)

        Well, you can also from slingshots, crossbows, spitting tubes, you can rowan from a lamp holder with a fingertip ... A bunch of options ... Not only all are good.
    2. fero
      fero April 8 2013 19: 15 New
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      Better yet, hardball bully but not for schoolchildren, but for another age group
    3. fero
      fero April 8 2013 19: 18 New
      +1
      Better yet, hardball bully but not for schoolchildren, but for another age group
    4. BruderV
      BruderV April 8 2013 21: 05 New
      -3
      Quote: AndreyAB
      Actually, the idea is to introduce airsoft as a preparatory training course for draftees,

      Nah, that range of battle is not at all. This will only instill false skills and in a real battle the soldier will not detect the enemy beyond 100 m and will load cartridges like a remba kuev with an endless magazine. It’s better to make ArmA 2 play on the network.
      1. Armata
        April 9 2013 17: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: BruderV
        It’s better to force 2 to play on the network.
        Oh, another sportsman. laughing
      2. Swip13
        Swip13 26 November 2013 17: 57 New
        0
        Quote: BruderV
        Nah, that range of battle is not at all. This will only instill false skills and in a real battle the soldier will not detect the enemy beyond 100 m and will load cartridges like a remba kuev with an endless magazine. It’s better to make ArmA 2 play on the network.

        What is the wrong range? The battle rarely goes at distances farther than 50-60 meters (of course, it can be further, but this is more just a harassing fire, rather than aimed shooting). the airsoft drive shoots the same distance (well, the tyunny truth). This is not the Second World War when the hellish crowd of pearl under cover of tanks through the field through the field. As for the stores, as a rule, any scenario involves recharging only in the undead or at the bases, they may stick a restriction on the type of stores (now it’s not uncommon) and on wearable ammunition (or even limit it to 300 balls for the whole many hours of play)
  8. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 10: 16 New
    +3
    Quote: Mechanic
    Have you been playing for a long time? And if not a secret, then in which club?


    I’ve been playing for a long time, but I’m not a member of the clubs, it’s not mine

    even though I thought about opening a tactical paintball club, but having calculated all the costs, I realized that the business is not very profitable, because it’s cold in Siberia for six months, and it’s not possible to play at all in winter, or the balls burst often (rolling especially sin this case), and tactical paintball in closed hangars it’s not interesting to play, he needs large areas :(
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 10: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Bad
      I’ve been playing for a long time, but I’m not a member of the clubs, it’s not mine

      even though I thought about opening a tactical paintball club, but having calculated all the costs, I realized that the business is not very profitable, because it’s cold in Siberia for six months, and it’s not possible to play at all in winter, or the balls burst often (rolling especially sin this case), and tactical paintball in closed hangars it’s not interesting to play, he needs large areas :(
      Make as we have in Yekaterinburg. Club RPG found 3 floor unfinished with a scoop. He took tipmans. And now there is like counter-play constantly. In winter, you can take acid, they are made by many, more expensive but there is demand. A gear is better to take a mechanic. Electronics in winter glitches hard.
  9. vagabo
    vagabo April 8 2013 10: 17 New
    +9
    Thank you for the article!
    In my opinion, both hobbies complement each other in many ways, although it is almost impossible to combine them.
    Paintball is more dynamic, while airsoft players are sometimes overly keen on reconstruction.
    As for the use of paintball for training fighters in the army, there is a double-edged sword. Yes, skills are developed to defeat the enemy at short distances, self-confidence, field vision, tactical coherence in teams. But there are other distances in military affairs, the forms of opposition are much more diverse, the role of camouflage and orientation is of a completely different order, and much more. Therefore, paintball and airsoft skills in their pure form in real combat can serve an unkind service. As one of the elements of training a fighter, they are certainly useful.
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 10: 32 New
      +7
      Quote: vagabo
      In my opinion, both hobbies complement each other in many ways, although it is almost impossible to combine them.
      Paintball is more dynamic, while airsoft players are sometimes overly keen on reconstruction.
      As for the use of paintball for training fighters in the army, there is a double-edged sword. Yes, skills are developed to defeat the enemy at short distances, self-confidence, field vision, tactical coherence in teams. But there are other distances in military affairs, the forms of opposition are much more diverse, the role of camouflage and orientation is of a completely different order, and much more. Therefore, paintball and airsoft skills in their pure form in real combat can serve an unkind service. As one of the elements of training a fighter, they are certainly useful.
      I did not want to talk about the skills of a fighter. Initially, this is one way to drag youth from the street. In general, I wanted to not arrange disputes after the article, but to share my opinions, so that someone from the young read and found something for themselves, and thought how interesting it was. I apologize for failing.
      1. Fox
        Fox April 8 2013 11: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Mechanic
        I did not want to talk about the skills of a fighter. Initially, this is one way to drag youth from the street. In general, I wanted to not arrange disputes after the article, but to share my opinions, so that someone from the young read and found something for themselves, and thought how interesting it was. I apologize for failing.

        no need to apologize! well done that raised the topic. everyone will just find what he likes. and we (among ourselves) will "butt", whose forehead is stronger. (in friendly terms, I understand) wink
      2. vagabo
        vagabo April 8 2013 12: 00 New
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        2 Mechanic
        Well I wrote that the article is a plus! She is necessary and interesting.
        My comment is positive, not abusive! drinks
        1. Armata
          April 8 2013 14: 06 New
          +2
          Yes, I’m somehow trying to at least interest someone. Let them do it better than sit and puff beer.
          1. Armata
            April 8 2013 15: 23 New
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            Quote: Fox
            no need to apologize! well done that raised the topic. everyone will just find what he likes. and we (among ourselves) will "butt", whose forehead is stronger. (in friendly terms, I understand)

            Quote: vagabo
            2 Mechanic
            Well I wrote that the article is a plus! She is necessary and interesting.
            My comment is positive, not abusive!
            Yes, men, I am only for peace. But we will always butt. drinks
  10. erased
    erased April 8 2013 10: 24 New
    +8
    Airsoft and paintball are games, and there is only one difference in them - the ability to visually observe the shooting result. Now an entire industry of the game has been created, weapons, ammunition, ammunition - for every taste. Entire weapons tuning workshops. Who plays, knows what it means to enter the store and see 50-70 samples of weapons from pistols to machine guns and grenade launchers. Apart from the rest.
    My friend tunes weapons himself, increases the speed of the balls, hangs additional equipment. He even paints under camouflage and sews special covers. And the form itself is being finalized.
    The benefits of games and interest will be left out of the brackets - this is for everybody. I myself relate to games only positively, wonderful leisure time, here there is adrenaline and “war” and nature and an obligatory feast after the game. In a word, fun.
    Now about the practical side. Since the 90s, we used pneumatic weapons, specifically the MP-654, a copy of the PM, for training in shooting. The flight speed of an iron ball of 4,5 mm caliber was adjusted to 180 m / s. Beat this trunk so that on 15-20 meters balls lay in dozens of targets.
    Such weapons were used for initial training in weapons and shooting. A distance of 10-20 meters is the most common for short-barreled weapons. But the main thing is training exercises with shooting at each other. Of course, protective clothing was required. They experimentally picked up uniforms, masks, gloves that protected the body from bullets, did not allow injuring it, and did not hamper the actions of the students. The effect of getting the ball into the body was as follows - rather sensitive pain and bruise on the body. It was very good - the effect of a real hit helped to understand what a battle was. There were microtraumas and discomfort, but the training accelerated.
    Once again, this is a real training, not a game or pleasure. So no one complained, on the contrary, they worked with full dedication. 1-2 kg of weight in the lesson was lost, and the ammunition was soaking wet from sweat. Such training helped to gain experience in fleeting short-range fire contacts, the ability to instantly bring weapons to battle, maneuver, and quickly leave cover. And of course, hit real, not paper, targets.
    We still believe that such a "hardcore" is best suited for practical training, better than using airsoft or paintball weapons. But again I will repeat mushrooms - only for those who really train, and not play.
  11. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 10: 30 New
    +5
    Quote: vagabo
    As one of the elements of training a fighter, they are certainly useful.


    In our country, the siloviki train precisely by playing paintball, while they allow the owner of the equipment to train (they provide it for free, they take balls at cost) and no one else, even the attendants are not present.

    Handle melee, hostage release, etc. For it is convenient to watch, hit zones, etc., since the balls of each group can have different colors. Ballistics of a ball at a distance of 10-15 meters are pretty normal, and you can’t meet more distances, for example, in a house.

    For example, in the very first trainings, a hit in the back was recorded several times, but in a real battle it would be a bullet. They have simple exercises for the security forces - nakosyachil - strength exercises, so that all errors of this kind are quickly driven in :)

    For the mind, of course, it’s better to use laser tags for training, but those samples that I saw are just horror (I mean our domestic developments), because the poor soldiers are hung with giant sensors, and looks like an alien in them :)
    1. Swip13
      Swip13 26 November 2013 18: 04 New
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      Quote: Bad
      For the mind, of course, it’s better to use laser tags for training, but those samples that I saw are just horror (I mean our domestic developments), because the poor soldiers are hung with giant sensors, and looks like an alien in them :)

      This is out of mind. This is the worst advice. The laser tag dampens and makes you relax. I saw how laser taggers merged at competitions using airsoft drives because only the sensors got used to not firing, because the whole fillet part sticks out from behind the tree, the head on which the sensors were previously hidden.
  12. z-exit
    z-exit April 8 2013 10: 34 New
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    Quote from article: “Recently there was a publication about our youth that they have no goals”
    Ingenious! Well now our youth will have “goals” with paintball! lol
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 10: 45 New
      +3
      Quote: z-exit
      Well now our youth will have “goals” with paintball!

      Offer something better, what exactly do you understand, and do not write slogans.
      1. z-exit
        z-exit April 8 2013 11: 08 New
        +1
        Yes, this is a joke! I'm with 2 hands for paintball and airsoft !!
        1. Armata
          April 8 2013 11: 13 New
          +1
          Well then, I'm sorry drinks
  13. Navy7981
    Navy7981 April 8 2013 10: 40 New
    +2
    They played with his son (and he still plays) in both paintball and strike. Good games. I don’t want to compare, I’ll say that it’s definitely better than staggering where, without getting into, posing as a “bohemian”. And the guys who are fond of these games, as normal in every sense.
  14. Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer April 8 2013 11: 08 New
    -5
    The author forgot to indicate that in airsoft the speed of 120 m / s is about nothing. The Chinese, already in the factory base issue 180-190 m / s. Yes, and photos could be more decent to insert, or some commercial "Pokemon" in ridiculous raincoats and sneakers.
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 11: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: Drosselmeyer
      Yes, and photos could be more decent to insert, or some commercial "Pokemon" in ridiculous raincoats and sneakers.
      I did not exhibit photographs. The administration picked them up at the request. Well, if you have a better lay out please. And I wrote that I do not own info about airsoft, I asked to spread everything that is new, so that the picture is complete. Thank you in advance.
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 8 2013 16: 51 New
      +3
      The author forgot to indicate that in airsoft the speed of 120 m / s is about nothing. The Chinese, already in the factory base issue 180-190 m / s.

      It’s just these are the rules of association, with great desire and with the availability of opportunities (money and direct hands), you can do it for 200-220 m / s, but getting a gift from a similar drive in your face is not like hunting ...
      1. Drosselmeyer
        Drosselmeyer April 8 2013 19: 42 New
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        Frankly, I often close my eyes to these rules. And 200-220 is full of such machine guns. True, the machine gunners really try not to shoot point blank and not to enter buildings.
    3. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 8 2013 22: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: Drosselmeyer
      The author forgot to indicate that in airsoft the speed of 120 m / s is about nothing. The Chinese, already in the factory base issue 180-190 m / s.

      Well, the throttle forgot to indicate that if it gets from such a drive into the nail, after a couple of hours it will fall off, and if in the ear it will break through
  15. Strey
    Strey April 8 2013 11: 14 New
    +3
    At one time I was fond of hardcore. But then I got involved in airsoft and now 5 years have passed and I don’t stop like it. I can’t compare paintball. But it’s cool to spend time in buildings in the winter, in forests in the winter, and beauty.
  16. z-exit
    z-exit April 8 2013 11: 15 New
    +4
    Quote: Drosselmeyer
    The author forgot to indicate that in airsoft the speed of 120 m / s is about nothing. The Chinese, already in the factory base issue 180-190 m / s. Yes, and photos could be more decent to insert, or some commercial "Pokemon" in ridiculous raincoats and sneakers.

    Well, you, dear, could insert these same photos. It’s written, “I hope the true strikers complement me in the comments.” Normal absolutely photos attached. Certainly not to please everyone. And about the fact that there, “The Chinese, they already issue 180-190 m / s in the factory base” - even though these Chinese give out at their factory at 200, 300 and 100500 m / s, do you know the limitations of the game itself .
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 18: 08 New
      +1
      Quote: z-exit
      they’ll give out 180-190 m / s to the factory base "- at least 200, 300 and 100500 m / s let these Chinese give out at their factory, do you know the limitations of the game itself.
      I say it again. I AM NOT A STRIKER !!!!!! This is for the deaf.
      1. z-exit
        z-exit April 8 2013 22: 00 New
        +2
        So I do not criticize you! There are no questions for you. Everything is clear, competently. Thank you for the article. Put a plus. Especially today I climbed onto the sites of airsoft guns and once again made sure that you are right. Those restrictions that you gave in the table in the article are relevant. I criticized Drosselmeyer with its 180 m / s, you see 120 m / s nioc. Oh well! Come on then, the initial speed of 900 m / s, Th there too trifle. I mean, a lot of things are blinded at a factory in China, but only what complies with generally accepted standards is allowed to compete. And the fact that you can buy and shoot a cannon with an exhaust of 220 m / s, so who argues. I talked about the competition.
  17. Antoxa_EKB
    Antoxa_EKB April 8 2013 11: 36 New
    +2
    Both of these games are good! But they can not be compared with Hardball, in which the one thing is that the real battle is that they do not kill! Personally, I play Hardball ... Who cares what it is ... Google will always help :)
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 15: 06 New
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      What's the catch? Chet did not notice anything new.
      The same strike on the topic of stalker. Or am I wrong?
      1. klew
        klew April 9 2013 10: 27 New
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        All the same, only instead of a plastic ball, a steel ball (0.33 g at a speed of 160 m / s) or a lead bullet (0.5 g at 180 m / s).
    2. Rudder
      Rudder April 8 2013 20: 14 New
      +1
      I agree! It is a pity that in this article they did not say anything about Hard.
  18. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 11: 42 New
    +1
    Guys, in general, the speed of departure of ammunition is not a very good indicator, because with large values ​​you can cause serious injuries, including those that are not compatible with life. No need to turn the game into hardcore hardcore, because it is not very reasonable.

    But the security forces do not play naked in paintball training to feel more pain. And do not play by the fact that:

    - the bullet is still more painful
    - various injuries because they will be left sideways, if for example on the next day they will be sent on a mission

    Moreover, even in ordinary paintball, if you get into soft tissues from a couple of meters, it will hurt and bruise, it is not in vain that shooting at extra short distances is not allowed again.
    1. Antoxa_EKB
      Antoxa_EKB April 8 2013 11: 50 New
      +2
      I agree ! Protection is needed in any case! And you can’t break TB! But we must not forget that the speed of a bullet is not the most important thing! There is still a lot of bullet! For example, 100 m / s from a marker is much more painful than from pneumatics ... So, here you need to take a specific case! For example, I play hardball, speeds up to 180 m / s. But with proper protection, this does not hurt at all! Paintball is more painful ...
      1. Fox
        Fox April 8 2013 12: 02 New
        +2
        strike is a FRIEND'S GAME! therefore also restrictions. I shot a beard in the winter, on the third day I pulled out a ball ... now I’m looking for someone to return wink the point is that the youth after the games says: “now I look at action movies as comedies!” and this is an understanding of the essence of weapons.
      2. Armata
        April 8 2013 15: 09 New
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        Quote: Antoxa_EKB
        ! For example, 100 m / s from a marker is much more painful than from pneumatics ... So, what you need to take a specific case! For example, I play Hardball, speeds up to 180 m / s. But with proper protection, this does not hurt at all! Paintball is more painful ...
        If you consider that in sports drawing from protection you only have armrests and knee pads, then think about how it flies.
        1. leon-iv
          leon-iv April 8 2013 15: 28 New
          +3
          If you consider that in sports drawing from protection you only have armrests and knee pads, then think about how it flies.

          Zy case was.
          Training with the police before sending them to North Ossetia.
          Brave police officers quickly merged during the assault on stupid mistakes. I am indoors. My team commander outside eats to explain how to storm the building. Makes the Hand a litzo takes his Beretta92 and tumbles into the room and at that moment I stand in the aisle and open my mouth to ask when to wait for the next batch.
          At this moment, 2 balls 1 flies into the dummy, into the lip of the second into the tongue. Well, I think garbage from the lips quickly cracked a ball and thought about swallowing the tongue, swallowed or spat it out. it was on Monday, swelling by Thursday and I feel that my tongue is even hanging out.
          Well, I think the swelling is still. Sunday Tren come up to our doctor, I say, look, however, because I feel that I am the king of cunnilingus. He laughs, says let's go to the hospital to me. Department of Oral and Maxillofacial Surgery 2 doctors 2 nurses laugh like horses pulling a ball out of their tongue.
          1. Armata
            April 8 2013 18: 44 New
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            Quote: leon-iv
            this moment flies into the 2 dummy of the 1 ball into the second lip into the tongue. Well, I think garbage from the lip quickly chopped off the ball and thought about swallowing the tongue, swallowed or spat it out. it was on Monday, swelling by Thursday and I feel that my tongue is even hanging out.

            Man, have you ever tasted a ball through a mask? or a meter from your face and skin from your ear after half a feeder? I got it when I missed the approach from the left of the central striker, well, at least the spare mask was at the base.
    2. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx April 8 2013 21: 58 New
      +1
      Vo-in, join belay
  19. bazillius
    bazillius April 8 2013 11: 56 New
    +5
    I actively play paintball with schoolchildren and students. And it was with them as a teacher of life safety, it was - the game was offset by the NVP. It’s very convenient to explain the rules of battle to the guys: the speed of the ball is small, you can see the trajectory, the result. It’s easier then to carry out a debriefing. By the way excellent weaning from drinking alcohol. For example, in September we are going to play, the first course fits and hesitates: “Well, we’re going to rest ...” - to which the older guys said: “Before the game you can’t: the mask is sweating, and after that - so much adrenaline and impressions that already and wouldn’t want to "(And they did bring it back, although many do not believe it.)
    1. Antoxa_EKB
      Antoxa_EKB April 8 2013 12: 01 New
      +2
      Yes sir ! We are generally going to 2 times a year for the championship! Teams come from neighboring regions and cities. 100 people are recruited! We leave for the forest (an abandoned pioneer camp) We camp with tents! And we live there for 2-3 days - we play ... Very cool!
      1. Armata
        April 8 2013 14: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: bazillius
        I actively play paintball with schoolchildren and students. And it was with them as a teacher of life safety, it was - the game was offset by NVP. It’s very convenient to explain the rules of battle to the guys: the speed of the ball is small, you can see the trajectory, the result. It’s easier then to carry out a debriefing. By the way excellent weaning from drinking alcohol. Example, in September we are going to the game, the first course fits and crumple
        What are you playing with? Damn it is necessary to involve youth in sports. By the way for reference. The team "Russian Legion" Moscow (average age 18 years) ousted "Dynasty (organizers in the world of sports paintball). Yekaterinburg" Malachite trunks "ousted both of them (average age 35 le). So it’s time to think about whether it’s worth to organize young comedians in our cities. Our coach (the former Draftsman team from our many-sided club was able to make a team for their money. Vladivostok Bunker, Perm Fumitoks could do the same), and dofiga where there are such teams. Maybe it’s time to strike and paint to put on stream for children?
        1. Fox
          Fox April 8 2013 15: 24 New
          +2
          Quote: Mechanic
          Maybe it's time to put the strike and paint on the stream for children?

          we had a club, cups, letters in Togliatti. there was a room (trimmed and cleaned basement), we worked with orphanages and schools .... a year later they took the room away. They again littered and closed. Attempts to reach the administration did not lead to anything .a where to store equipment, drive, rembase, teach theory? That's such a prose of life.
          1. Armata
            April 8 2013 15: 34 New
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            Quote: Fox
            such a prose of life.

            It's a pity. We both develop in Ekat. Moreover, children are attracted, it’s a pity only those whose fathers play with their father’s equipment.
  20. Herr_Kaput
    Herr_Kaput April 8 2013 12: 00 New
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    I never understood, and I don’t understand how adult men can play soldier with such rapture.

    Dynamo played with Sweden in Minsk, and I went to a pub near the stadium and there Swedish women for 50-60 years in scarves of my favorite team celebrated the victory with beer. And I wanted to shout "what are you doing?"
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 14: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: Herr_Kaput
      I never understood, and I don’t understand how adult men can play soldier with such rapture.
      These are far from being soldiers. So first try, and then speak out.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 8 2013 15: 23 New
        +1
        the appetite will come with eating .. so to speak.
    2. Armata
      April 8 2013 18: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: Herr_Kaput
      Minsk played Dynamo with Sweden, and I went to the pub at the stadium and there Swedish women of 50-60 years in scarves of my favorite team celebrated the victory with beer. And I wanted to shout "what are you doing?"
      In a window dressing. It went to the brewery. Well, that's all you are "patriots."
  21. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder April 8 2013 12: 18 New
    +2
    undoubtedly, it is interesting both of them, I haven’t been able to play paintball, and for the strike - with two hands FOR!
  22. Dart weyder
    Dart weyder April 8 2013 12: 21 New
    +1
    no doubt - both types of active pastime are extremely interesting, personally I like airsoft more)))
  23. Clueless
    Clueless April 8 2013 12: 22 New
    +4
    Quote: Herr_Kaput
    I never understood, and I don’t understand how adult men can play soldier with such rapture.


    and you play;)

    for hardcore I recommend you play against the women, you are alone, and their people are 5-7 .. I think you’ll get an adrenaline runoff, then you will drink a liter of vodka and you won’t get drunk, because the women are animals in paintball, they will easily go from the rear and from the meter to the back of the head (which is without protection) a quarter of the feeder is planted - I just hit it like that, thought I would die there, because I have never heard such a ringing in my head, the back of my head is without protection, I’m glad when I peeped that they kissed me and apologized (they forgot that it was point blank It’s forbidden to shoot), otherwise it would be a fool for sure :)

    I watched the game somehow, when one woman stayed in a snow fortress, and there were 4 men against her, she couldn’t throw her with grenades, took the whole blow on herself .. the result - for about 10 minutes she was alone against them, they certainly killed her. She comes out of the battlefield, all in jelly, at the very height of 1.50, she crackes it in a childlike way, drinks 200 grams of vodka in one gulp, wipes it silently, charges the feeder, bottle and goes to the second game - the girl is 18 years old, not once in such games I didn’t play, I don’t drink, I don’t swear, but she says that I’ve never experienced any adrenaline and ecstasy drain.

    And then she took revenge on the peasants, crawled to the fortress (small, you see her), and threw a grenade one after another at the parapet, although trying to finish them off, I received a handful of balloons from the last survivor :)

    Paintball is good, but unfortunately expensive, and most importantly, unlike airsoft, it requires more equipment than is not particularly suitable for single people. In airsoft it’s easier - I bought equipment and everything, but in paintball I need at least air, and normal balloons should be taken in bulk from trusted companies.
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 14: 29 New
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      Quote: Bad
      I recommend playing hardcore against women, you are alone, and their man is 5-7 .. I think you’ll get an adrenaline rush that you will drink a liter of vodka and not get drunk, because the women are animals in paintball, they can easily go from the rear and from the meter to the back of the head (which is without protection) a quarter of the feeder is planted - I just got there once, thought I would die there, because I have never heard such a ringing in my head, the back of my head is without protection, I’m glad when I peeped that they kissed me and apologized (they forgot that it was point blank It’s forbidden to shoot), otherwise it would be a fool for sure :)
      Drupuzhische remember the Valkyrie team damn the beast of a woman. drinks repeat
    2. newnutella
      newnutella April 8 2013 15: 41 New
      +2
      What kind of nonsense?
      In the same strike - as if air is also needed. And it will be cheaper everywhere to draw by the type of “KZS aug and sneakers”. On this, I repeat once again - this is the same as comparing Auto and Moto.

      "She leaves the battlefield, all in jelly, at the very height of 1.50, she’s cracking it like a child, drinks 200 grams of vodka in one gulp, wipes it silently, charges the feeder, bottle and goes to the second game - the girl is 18 years old, I’ve never played such games I didn’t play, I don’t drink, I don’t swear - but she says - I’ve never experienced any adrenaline and ecstasy runoff in my life. Alcohol is generally inappropriate here!
      1. Armata
        April 8 2013 18: 14 New
        +1
        Quote: newnutella
        And it will be cheaper everywhere to draw by the type of “KZS aug and sneakers”. On this, I repeat once again - this is the same as comparing Auto and Moto.
        Once again only
        Russian (you are on the Russian site) request
    3. PSih2097
      PSih2097 April 8 2013 17: 03 New
      +1
      In airsoft it’s easier - I bought equipment and everything, but in paintball I need at least air

      All weapons can be divided into several categories:
      1. Spring Pneumatics (Spring)
      These types of weapons are fired with balls using a conventional spring, which is cocked by the player before firing. Most types of weapons with spring pneumatics are designed to play indoors, as they have limited range and rate of fire (due to the manual mechanism).
      2. Gas pneumatics
      This type of weapon uses “green gas” as a propelling force. Green gas, also known as ordinary propane, has a more powerful pushing force and is used in most types of weapons with a metal bolt frame (upper receivers). Modern gas weapons typically use diflourothane or tetraflourthane gas, similar in composition to freon. Inside the container, the gas is stored in liquid form, and remains so when placed in a gun or rifle magazine. When the valve at the top of the store opens, part of this liquid is released under high pressure in the form of gas and acts on a special cyclic mechanism of the "gas" gun. There are two types of gas weapons - NBB (Non-Blow-Back) and GBB (Gas Blow-Back)

      3. Weapons with electric drive (Automatic Electric Guns).
      Electric Weapons (AEG) use battery power and an electric motor to operate, which triggers an internal piston-spring mechanism to shoot plastic balls. This weapon is universally recognized as the most popular airsoft weapon in "serious" battles.
  24. leon-iv
    leon-iv April 8 2013 12: 34 New
    +4
    3. Do not shoot in the head! If possible, refrain from firing on exposed parts of the body, especially on the head. If you accidentally hit the head from a short distance - sorry, if necessary, offer help!
    For a long time already put a bolt on this rule. Although I try not to shoot at random. But MacLaud punish hard 145M \ s + Rate of fire 1200 V / S
  25. leon-iv
    leon-iv April 8 2013 12: 36 New
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    5. Alcohol and drugs are illegal! Drinking in a friendly airsoft company before the game or during the game is unacceptable. You should not count on your inflexible health and drink in the evening of the day preceding the start of the game. Any fighter who is intoxicated or intoxicated is not allowed to play.

    My first time I hear. I vividly imagine the dry law before the game)))))))
    1. Armata
      April 8 2013 14: 35 New
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      Quote: leon-iv
      My first time I hear. I vividly present the dry law before the game)))))))
      Well, we can’t. Mulled wine is only handed out to the audience. drinks
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv April 8 2013 14: 41 New
        +1
        Well, we can’t. Mulled wine is only handed out to the audience.

        here you see what’s the matter.
        As a rule, people come to games in other regions the day before the game. He arrived while he set up a tent. Here hi begins hi how long have you not seen you come to us and so on. Although after NiNo 2010 promised to not drink much (because he was weak in the morning)
        We have a team on the day of the game and on it the DRY LAW flyers fly out of the team without talking.
        1. Armata
          April 8 2013 15: 38 New
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          Quote: leon-iv
          As a rule, people come to games in other regions the day before the game. He arrived while he set up a tent. Here hi begins hi how long have you not seen you come to us and so on. Although after NiNo 2010 promised to not drink much (because he was weak in the morning)
          We have a team on the day of the game and on it the DRY LAW flyers fly out of the team without talking.
          Well, we, too, in an airplane are not telling tales to each other. However, the rule is sober in the clearing.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv April 8 2013 15: 40 New
            +1
            However, the rule is sober in the clearing.

            Yeah, that's a fact.
            For it is possible to get into such the same .. that becomes dumb. And the bukhov has no good coordination.
            1. Armata
              April 8 2013 18: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              Yeah, that's a fact.
              For it is possible to get into such the same .. that becomes dumb. And the bukhov has no good coordination.
              You shouldn’t be so. there is a rule. ON THE GLANCE ONLY THE SOBRIET. Through the breathalyzer.
  26. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn April 8 2013 12: 39 New
    +1
    applied until 1953

    Wow, wow, wow stop, but what about the video on WWII? This is a fairly popular activity, and PPSh or MP-40 drives are also popular. At least in the Krasnoyarsk Territory.
    lifting up the unloaded weapon with the barrel up

    Butt to the top !!!
    Well, it seems like there are no more mistakes on airsoft, but we don’t play paint laughing
  27. vlad-chernuk
    vlad-chernuk April 8 2013 13: 14 New
    +1
    I’ll definitely try airsoft!)
    in paintball for almost 3 years)
  28. ibn117
    ibn117 April 8 2013 13: 41 New
    +2
    To shoot paintball is THING !!! And run over and shoot, one positive. And I’ll definitely try to shoot at airball. The only equipment you need to buy.
  29. Zhenya
    Zhenya April 8 2013 16: 10 New
    +7
    I’m running to my teammate, that’s the game.
    I played airsoft for a year, the highest impression was from the game on the island, about 250 people on each side, the game was more than a day, there was heavy rain at night, we started offensive (about 50-60 people) at the airfield, as a result we 10 people stopped, after the offensive, 10-15 people remained in the composition. There were shootings, climbed with PNV, in search of an enemy at night in a wet forest, in the morning they launched the 2nd attack on the airfield, took quickly and repelled 3-4 attacks, two mortars did not help the opponents. My rifle died of sand, I was exhausted from the fact that I did not sleep for 1,5 days and constantly ran, but there were a lot of impressions :)

    In the last photo it was the defense of the "airfield" that ran after the grenades
  30. andrey903
    andrey903 April 8 2013 16: 17 New
    -2
    For complete reliability, it would be necessary to wear equipment equal in weight to the real one, the number of rounds as in a real battle, etc.
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 8 2013 17: 24 New
      +4
      This is for you in hardball, there is generally even more severe than in the strike.
  31. Rusik.S
    Rusik.S April 8 2013 17: 00 New
    +1
    Airsoft is cool !! but pleasure is not cheap wink
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn April 8 2013 17: 25 New
      -1
      yah? 10 thousand for the eyes.
      1. newnutella
        newnutella April 8 2013 17: 31 New
        +3
        yeah, if you run around in a tracksuit, sneakers, a cheap mask and carry some kind of plastic spit in your hands. And that is not enough!
        If you do not know, do not speak better
      2. PSih2097
        PSih2097 April 8 2013 18: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: cth; fyn
        yah? 10 thousand for the eyes.

        15 000 rubles only a drive, still the same amount of shells (this is domestic), if the shells are imported, for example, the same African lump, then you need to look at the manufacturer, but it all depends on the imagination and capabilities of your wallet and this provided that the drive will be in standard from the manufacturer’s performance, although as a rule a drive with everything hinged increases the cost by two to three times ... somewhere like that.
      3. Rusik.S
        Rusik.S April 9 2013 02: 00 New
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        you can’t even buy weapons for this money
        1. cth; fyn
          cth; fyn April 14 2013 13: 07 New
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          CYMA ak-74m 7-odd thousand rubles, reliable and not whimsical.
          Second-hand clothes German trousers 800 rubles, a parka 1200, well, my acquaintances from the factory drove the glasses to me at the cut; the distances are only small that neither of which actually is necessary.
  32. DmitryU
    DmitryU April 8 2013 19: 07 New
    +1
    all the same expensive pleasure - strike. Just starting to play, I was at 2 games and several training sessions. So far it has taken me: Drive: about 8k (China), a slide from MTR - another 5k, RPS - another 3 (lucky, I found a used but incomplete kit). We don’t consider any small things ... For provinces where the average salary of 15-25 thousand is quite noticeable, because there is still a family and a child, and cutting money is not easy, but it's worth it.
  33. here and there
    here and there April 8 2013 19: 45 New
    -2
    I played laser tag last fall. I can’t say anything about the flock, because I didn’t play, honestly (but what’s better than paintball is for sure. There are no problems with cartridges - they are free and are limited by the speed of pressing your index finger on the hook. Do not cheat - the sensor shows hits, after playing the site gives detailed statistics, who, whom, how much ) no injuries (although this may not be a plus at all, you play not so carefully) The firing range of 200 meters, the airsoft team that played with us, said that they didn’t “work” at such distances, far from their drives. Something our company produces equipment, so the support of the domestic manufacturer (+) is shorter waiting for the new season to open, run up so that the next day you don’t feel your legs, it relieves stress perfectly !!
  34. Rediska
    Rediska April 8 2013 21: 07 New
    +1
    In my opinion, these are not comparable things =) But since I deal with airsoft myself I think it is better, a friend of mine who played paintball for 5 years brought him to airsoft and says that he liked it better :) In principle, there are a lot of similarities there and there, but realism wins airsoft and by mass events, which is important)
  35. BruderV
    BruderV April 8 2013 21: 20 New
    +2
    The article does not say a word that military equipment is used in airsoft at large games: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, at the opening of 2012, according to the IC, there were even second bears. Plus in airsoft there are such nishtyaki as tactical flashlights, optics, night vision devices, thermal imagers, smoke grenades, etc. With this you can already play in the special forces. At least paintball can not oppose anything to this in terms of simulation of military operations. So paintball is a sport like tennis or volleyball, and airsoft is a military tactical game.
  36. Uncle
    Uncle April 8 2013 21: 38 New
    +1
    The mechanic, thanks for the article, enlightened. Do not be offended by criticism; criticizing is easy, much easier than writing an article.
  37. Argon
    Argon April 9 2013 00: 52 New
    +2
    I personally will express my opinion, I do not want to offend anyone. Himself played a couple of times in this and that, the teams are from 7 to 9 people. Paintball is really a sport, run jump, interact practically no disputes, shooting is the third thing. Strike-nerd, assembled turned on equipment, those who in childhood didn’t play the warrior well and like me, people are random. First, the parade of peacocks on a current of about 20 minutes, who’s cooler where they bought, how much they spent. The maximum of 10 minutes of the war and times in 1,5 , XNUMX less dynamic than in paintball. And then that half who has the steeper trunks, spreads his goose in the bushes and waits until you come out to him and he Esnet you. And all the time stops. You stupidly throw grenades at him and then he gets offended, why didn't you go around him? how didn’t a doe jump through ravines? and he didn’t shoot at you like a dash? Grenades are not cheap, you’ll lower money quickly and have no pleasure. A plus article has so many discussions.
    1. BruderV
      BruderV April 9 2013 01: 16 New
      +2
      Strike-nerd, going turned on equipment, those who in childhood did not finish the war game

      All that I read is nothing more than a workout that does not give a tenth of the idea of ​​a strike, this is just a prelude. Damn everyone had played enough in Kalofdutie and are waiting for that everywhere Stalingrad should be with wild thoughtless meat. In short, the strike is its own unique romance. Daily games, campfire gatherings, night vigils, tracing balls in the night, climbing in pitch darkness with a compass in observance of noise blackout, when every extra gram pulls you the next day, radio intercepts and jamming. This is an incomparable experience, which can only be obtained in the army in combat. For office plankton on the weekend, go for a laugh and have a beer and barbecue fun to arrange it is certainly preferable to paintball than nerd airsoft with their bunch of unwritten laws of the rules. But the strike also attracts me because for a certain audiotriy with its philosophy and strangers, nobody really pulls there.
    2. Andrey77
      Andrey77 April 16 2013 14: 36 New
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      When you have a simple marker in paintball, and your opponent has a sophisticated “automatic”, the sport of high achievements begins. I've never run like this in my life. :) And the strike is closer to reenactors rather than running around.
  38. family
    family tree April 9 2013 01: 30 New
    +2
    Don’t be offended by me, I’ll tell you a case from life.
    We argued like we had two schoolchildren, and since they had access to the folder trunks, they took guns and went away from the village to where the piece of iron diverged. Lay down, one after the even, the second after the odd. There was one shot, the one who had the buckshot at his ear whistled, got up and said that they say it’s not worth it. Only the dads of both hunters quickly figured out one, then the second and fluttered. Here is an airsoft. It's just that when you smear with paint, this is one thing, and when it whistles near your ear, a completely different state comes upon you. And at the expense of camouflage and approach, so try to approach any beast, he, as you discover, will give a hundred points of odds to any commando.
  39. Clueless
    Clueless April 9 2013 08: 58 New
    +1
    Quote: BruderV
    The article does not say a word that military equipment is used in airsoft at large games: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, armored personnel carriers, at the opening of 2012, according to the IC, there were even second bears. Plus in airsoft there are such nishtyaki as tactical flashlights, optics, night vision devices, thermal imagers, smoke grenades, etc. With this you can already play in the special forces. At least paintball can not oppose anything to this in terms of simulation of military operations. So paintball is a sport like tennis or volleyball, and airsoft
    military tactical game.


    google - big paintball maneuvers, and from what year they are held :)

    in general, in such paintball there are smoke and grenades, and mines, and grenade launchers, etc. And special sniper rifles, with special ammunition
  40. klew
    klew April 9 2013 10: 34 New
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    Compare with Hard! I am pleased to read. And paint is more preferable.
  41. Maj.
    Maj. April 11 2013 09: 31 New
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    YES - to airsoft !!!
  42. Andrey77
    Andrey77 April 16 2013 14: 24 New
    +2
    I shot in both strike and paintball. My opinion is paintball. Everything is somehow more dynamic and there is more adrenaline. :) I can’t bring the scientific base, personal feelings.
  43. Mergenchi
    Mergenchi 2 July 2013 16: 39 New
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    Credit to the author for courage - he raised the eternal theme of comparing paintball and airsoft. The first thing that catches your eye is the author of a 100% striker. It can be seen by the number of submitted information about airsoft and the title of the article.

    Airsoft pros - 1) you can play at night, you can play at least round the clock, i.e. working out ambushes and so on (you don’t run a mask in paintball for a long time.)
    2) More opportunity to organize themselves, i.e. the game does not depend on the judges and does not need to be dragged
    compressors / cylinders per game.

    Paintball Pros - 1) The possibility of unfair play is excluded (even if the affected player erases the paint - it will remain
    stain on clothes).
    2) Sensible (painful) hit during cleaning

    Personally, I am for paintball - several games in airsoft and also several games against airsoft on paintball equipment only strengthened my position.
    The hunters' comments were very amusing - they say the hunter will make any striker / paintball player. And who are these hunters hunting for? For example, I love running hunting. I go to the mountains a lot during the season. I beat the bees and bunnies sometimes, but forgive me, what advantage does this give when cleaning premises, for example? Do not be cunning, if you are a hunter it does not give you any preferences, well, unless of course you are not a trader, and even then I do not see an advantage in a battle in a building.
    The author didn’t fully reveal what tactical paintball is like - this is a game not on the site, but let's say in an abandoned pioneer camp / sanatorium or industrial zone, in the mountains. Paintball allows you to develop very valuable skills applicable primarily to combat in urban conditions - this is a fact that confirms the presence of training with paintball equipment for special forces groups abroad and in Russia, "Alpha", "Lynx", "Pennant." And to all the wise men who say that all these shooters are just a toy and a real man is revealed only with real weapons, I will suggest finding tactical paintball players in my city and try to play with them. I am sure it will open a lot of new things.
  44. VARCHUN
    VARCHUN 21 October 2013 09: 34 New
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    And it seems to me that if you develop a strike at the state level, then in the future young people (in military training) will have at least excellent partisans or saboteurs, Although not terrorists, I do not exclude this.
  45. kelevra
    kelevra 14 December 2013 18: 41 New
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    Both of these are complete crap! We somehow gathered about 20 people, everyone had injuries, shotguns, guns, put on protection and went to war! Now I’ll tell you real feelings, it feels like it’s like in a war, the blows are real if a good defense, then you hardly feel pain and there are no bruises. But the sound and effect are much real and you immediately understand the difference and the reality of the battle!
  46. papa-billy
    papa-billy 27 June 2014 11: 50 New
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    In my opinion it’s silly to compare different things. I'm closer to the strike, friends like paint brushes. Who what.