European kamikazes or eastern barbarians?

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European kamikazes or eastern barbarians?

If you ask me, as an author and as a person, about how I feel about the issue of voluntary self-sacrifice in the name of a higher goal, then, as a Russian person, it is clear that I will treat this with understanding and respect.

And how can we not respect the choice of our great ancestors, who tried to inflict damage on the enemy even in the most hopeless situation? Today we are talking about rams and kamikazes, yes. The topic has been raised more than once, but today I would like to consider it through two lenses – the West and the East. I promise – it will be informative.



So, let's start with the air ram.


The Soviet ram was not a heroic suicide at all, as some organisms from that side and the domestically bred idiots they bought at the root are trying to show today. Yes, there are more and more of them in the fight for some "truth of that war", but we will fight some more.

Ramming was a rather complicated maneuver, the main goal of which was to destroy the enemy's aircraft and preferably not to ruin your own, because the command did not pat you on the head for this (especially at the beginning of the war). Every aircraft counted, and no one allowed you to just exchange it.

True, Soviet pilots tried not to ruin their machines anyway. The best example is the actions of Alexander Pokryshkin, who dragged his damaged MiG-3 out of encirclement to the last and burned it when it became clear that he couldn’t break through with it. And what about the Yak-1, which Pokryshkin suffered with, but stole from under the enemy’s nose and then gave it into good hands?

This is not the miracle pilot Hartmann, who jumped out of the plane at the slightest threat.

A fiery ram, as Gastello and many of his followers and predecessors did, is a little different. It was a choice - either captivity or death, but to take with you as many enemies as possible. The highest degree of heroism, expressed in such a personal choice, and there is nothing more to say about it.

A regular ramming is something else. It is a really complicated maneuver, in which an experienced pilot does not simply crash into an enemy aircraft, no. On the contrary, such a pilot tries to damage the enemy aircraft as much as possible and his own as little as possible. There are cases when pilots performed two rammings in a battle, after which they landed their aircraft at the airfield. At their own airfield.

The best example here is Hero of the Soviet Union Boris Ivanovich Kovzan, who boarded the enemy four times during the war, and three times he returned to the airfield in his plane.


By the way, if you think that Kovzan received the title of Hero of the Soviet Union for his rammings, you are wrong! Yes, he was nominated for the title of Hero in July 1942 for three rammings, but the 6th Air Army headquarters "cut" the nomination and replaced it with the Order of the Red Banner.

Why is that? It's simple: if you are a fighter, then in accordance with the Charter you must "maximum effectively use the technical capabilities of your aircraft and its weapons to inflict maximum damage on the enemy." That is, destroy enemy aircraft with cannon and machine gun fire.

What planes did Kovzan use to ram?

2 – on MiG-3, 1 – on Yak-1, 1 – on La-5.


The MiG-3 is a very complex aircraft, and a lot depended on its armament. While Alexander Pokryshkin's MiG-3 had five points, three of which were 12,7 mm Berezin machine guns, everything was more or less decent. When the wing-mounted large-caliber machine guns were removed, even such a classy fighter as Pokryshkin began to have problems. Rattling ShKAS at the Junkers-88 was quite an activity, which Pokryshkin honestly wrote about - it did not work out.


The Yak-1 is a more serious aircraft in terms of armament than the "skim" MiG-3. The 20-mm cannon and two 7,62-mm machine guns in the nose are more effective than the MiG-3's armament.


The La-5 is a plane in which you shouldn't think about ramming. But Kovzan was wounded, his eye was damaged, and his desire to destroy the enemy in such a situation is quite understandable.

By the way, on September 1944, 23, an order was read out to the Red Army Air Forces, signed by the Commander of the Red Army Air Forces, Chief Marshal aviation Novikova, Member of the Military Council of the Red Army Air Forces, Colonel General of Aviation Shimanov, and Acting Chief of Staff of the Red Army Air Forces, Lieutenant General of Aviation Krolenko, which explained the use of ramming.

"Explain to all flight personnel of the Red Army Air Forces that our fighters have excellent, powerful, modern weapons and are superior in flight and tactical characteristics to all existing types of German fighters. Consequently, the use of "ramming" in air combat with enemy aircraft that have lower flight qualities is inappropriate, therefore "ramming" should be used only in exceptional cases and as a last resort."

That is, in 1944, the Red Army Air Forces command was concerned about the losses of flight personnel and combat equipment as a result of ramming. And it strongly recommended using ramming only in extreme cases.

Very logical. Ramming really became less common, but they were practiced until 1945, especially when the war with Japan began. The Japanese were using kamikaze tactics in 1945, so ours responded in kind.

As for Boris Ivanovich Kovzan, he received the title Hero of the Soviet Union in 1943. But not for four rams, but for shooting down enemy aircraft. In total, during the war, Kovzan made 360 ​​combat sorties, conducted 127 air battles, shot down 28 German aircraft, including one in a group.

Yes, now is the time to talk about the Japanese. About the kamikaze.


1944. Japan suffers one defeat after another. Midway Atoll, Saipan Island, Leyte Gulf.


Commander of the First Air Force fleet Vice Admiral Takijiro Onishi, a man of rather peculiar mentality and psyche, decided to form a special strike force of suicide pilots. Onishi stated:

"I don't think there's any other way to accomplish the task at hand than to drop a Zero armed with a 250-kilogram bomb on an American aircraft carrier."

Onishi became known as the "father of the kamikaze."

Another one of his statements:

"By sacrificing the lives of 20 million Japanese in special attacks, we will achieve absolute victory."

Yes, now many will draw parallels with the “total war” declared by Hitler in 1945, indeed, there are similarities.

According to Japanese historian Hatsuho Naito, 1944 naval and 1945 army pilots were killed in kamikaze attacks in 2525-1388. Was the destruction of Japan's 16 air regiments of that time effective?

The Japanese military claimed 81 ships were lost and 195 damaged by kamikaze attacks. According to American data, the losses were 34 sunk and 288 damaged ships. That is, 14 pilots per ship according to the Japanese version or 12 according to the American version. In any case, the sinking/damage of one American ship cost a full squadron of personnel of the Imperial Japanese Army and Navy Air Force.


Yes, there was also a psychological aspect to these attacks. And the American military really understood that if they had to seize the Japanese islands, it would be very hot there in terms of losses. That is why they first used atomic bombs, and when they did not have the desired effect, the Soviet Union came into play. And with that, Japan capitulated.

In general, the difference is visible to the naked eye. Of course, the psychology of a Russian is quite different from that of a Japanese, this is clear and understandable. The Japanese were decided by their command, which said: "Go and die for Japan!" And the Japanese went and died. And the best picture of this is the ratio of American and Japanese losses during operations to liberate territories captured by the Japanese. Japanese soldiers really did die somehow... thoughtlessly.

We also had "For the Motherland!", but the difference was that yes, we were ready to die for the Motherland, but judging by the results, we preferred that the enemy die. And here you can say whatever you want (and some do), but facts are stubborn things. Ramming was a common occurrence for us at the beginning of the war, but by the end it had greatly diminished. There was no need, they were breaking through anyway.

And most importantly, our pilots did not ram by order. By personal choice, making the decision independently. Therefore, we understand, accept, respect and bow down.

Kamikaze... Well, it's different here. You can't disrespect the actions of the Japanese pilot who broke through the fighters and the ship's fire. Defense, you can't. That's how he interpreted his duty to the country, that's how his head and soul worked. And no one was forced to become kamikaze, unlike in Germany in 1945, in Japan kamikaze were all volunteers. Onishi suggested dying in this way, the pilots agreed. I respect him, I even understand him in some ways. To accept - alas.


Did they help the kamikaze defend their territories? Destroy the American fleet? Hold back the advance of the Americans and allies? No. Onishi simply saw no other way out than to start burning all the pilots in the fire of war for the sake of achieving very illusory goals.

By the way, Onishi himself for some reason was in no hurry to get into the cockpit of a kamikaze plane. He sat very calmly in Tokyo and only after the Decree of Japan's surrender on August 15, he committed seppuku on himself, and even refused the help of an assistant (the one who cuts off his head in order to save him from suffering), suffering in agony for almost 12 hours. Well, in general, a poser. But passionately wanting to destroy 20 million Japanese in the name of a higher goal.

This is our East. Historically, we are somehow both East and West, a little bit of everything, a kind of arithmetic mean, if you like. And there are differences between us and the Japanese.

So, what about us and the West, what about the gentlemen noble knights, how are they doing in this regard?

And they have everything in order. A little about Germany. Despite the fact that the German affairs by 1945 were no different from the Japanese affairs, that is, everything was falling apart at the seams, such examples of self-sacrifice were not observed.

Moreover, despite Goebbels' calls for self-sacrifice in the name of the Reich (let's not slander Germany, okay?), there were no particular people willing to do so. Yes, a special unit of suicide bombers was created, who were supposed to destroy American and British bombers with rams. So what?

And nothing.

There is not a single recorded ramming attack by Luftwaffe pilots. NOT ONE. All these examples (no more than a dozen, by the way) were invented either by the British or by our fans of licking the eagle-with-a-wreath-and-sun. There is plenty of evidence, but we will talk about it in a dirtier topic, this is not the place for it. It is enough that among the Russian liberal intelligentsia there are enough of those who like to invent exploits for the Germans. And they do invent them!

But if you look at serious documents, they did not record a single ramming attack by German pilots. Yes, it is well known that the brave Luftwaffe pilots were very reluctant to engage in frontal attacks, and they came out of them completely exhausted.

It's a paradox, and this is despite the fact that the level of training of the Luftwaffe flight personnel was very high until 1943. But they didn't have the guts, and this is confirmed by a bunch of memoirs, recollections, interrogation protocols of German pilots who fell into our captivity. And we'll put an end to this.

And here the question is not only for the pilots, in principle the entire Wehrmacht had fought its fill by 1944. And in 1945 everything simply crumbled under the blows of the Red Army and collapsed.

Well, here we have for dessert, gentlemen British...


And here we don’t have ramming, the British weren’t great at that either. Again, there were “British ramming” of V-1 flying bombs, but these weren’t ramming at all. A British pilot would bring his plane up to a flying V-1, with his wing, brought under the wing of the German thing, he would flip the V-7,62, the gyroscopes would fly off, the flying bomb would lose orientation and fall. In my opinion, this was pure entertainment, the V-XNUMXs were quite normally destroyed by XNUMX mm machine guns. A demonstration of youthful daring and skill in handling an aircraft – that’s what a “British ramming” really is.

But the British had kamikazes.

It all started in 1940, after the "brilliant" Anglo-French campaign, which resulted in Germany having airfields and submarine bases on the Atlantic coast.

Given that the Germans were well aware of how dependent Britain was on supplies from the US, Canada and the colonies, especially for food and strategic materials, it is not surprising that, as in the First World War, the Germans decided to give the British a "fun life".

Bordeaux-Merignac airfield received Focke-Wulf Fw.200 "Condors" from the 40th Bomber Squadron KG.40. From here, the "Condors", which Churchill called "the Scourge of the Atlantic", could fly out to patrol the Atlantic Ocean, detect convoys and target swarms of German submarines.


However, the Condors themselves did a pretty good job as bombers: from June 1940 to February 1941, they sank more than 40 cargo ships with a total displacement of about 365 tons.

Since Britain did not have many fully-fledged aircraft carriers before WWII (9 including ships from WWI), and by 1942 three had already been sunk, plus two had sunk in 1942, the situation was so-so.

Strengthening the ship's air defense did not solve the problem, because, firstly, it required a huge number of barrels, and secondly, the Condor could easily fly at an altitude of 5-6 km, where 20-40 mm machine guns simply could not reach, not to mention the fact that it is not so easy to detect an aircraft at such an altitude. Plus, the Condor had its own Hohentwiel locator, thanks to which the aircraft crew could detect ships from a safe distance.

In general, the British were not eager to arm their merchant ships to the full extent, usually it was limited to 1 102-mm gun (often an old model), 1-2 anti-aircraft guns or, even simpler, machine guns. In general, if it was somehow possible to fight off a submarine that had run out of torpedoes, then it was more than doubtful to fight off an airplane.

In fact, this is why the Condors were so outrageous in the Atlantic: this outstanding aircraft had too many advantages over the merchant ship.


By the way, the British are keeping quiet about who came up with such a bright idea. I have been looking for a long time, I admit, and have not found it yet. But someone (obviously not a pilot, but some lord) came up with an idea that degenerated into the creation of the so-called "Merchant Aircraft Carriers": CAM (catapult aircraft merchant (ship)) and МАС (merchant aircraft carrier).


The first ones were just lovely! They were just regular cargo ships, on which a catapult with an airplane was mounted. This airplane was the first series of the Hurricane. Well, it seemed to be durable (though the first example fell apart during testing on the first launch and killed the pilot), inexpensive and all that.

The ships were equipped with a simple truss catapult and the same system for launching aircraft using a gunpowder accelerator.


The aircraft were nicknamed "Hurricat" or "Catafighter". Interestingly, the pilots for the catapult fighters on merchant ships were sent from the Royal Air Force, and on military ships, the "Catafighters" were lifted into the air by naval pilots of the Royal Navy.

However, here is another example of a chivalrous attitude: ships of these classes did not serve in the Navy and were considered part of the merchant fleet. In this regard, the Admiralty did not advertise their existence and activities, but what was it like for military pilots on a civilian ship and what status they would have enjoyed if something happened is a question…

So, a convoy is coming, signalmen or radiometers have detected enemy aircraft. The command to take off is given, the "Harricat" takes off... one way. You understand that the ship has no flight deck, there is nowhere to receive the aircraft. So, after repelling the attack, this old "Harricat" either heads towards the shore and lands there, or gurgles into the water. And the pilot is obliged to unfasten, open the canopy, throw out the inflatable boat, jump out himself, somehow find his boat and wait in it until his own people pick him up. Busy, if anything, repelling the air attack.

Okay, if it's the Atlantic in its central part and not in winter. But the Hurricanes were on ships in the polar convoys to the USSR...


Oh, by the way, another nuance: the boosters could push an aircraft with a maximum weight of about 3400 kg from the catapult. The normal takeoff weight of a regular Hurricane, without reinforcements, was about 3000 kg, so you couldn’t even dream about drop tanks and other pleasures. Considering the need to take a rescue kit on board, it’s not a very good prospect.


This is probably why the SAM pilots only flew 9 combat sorties. A total of 27 ships were converted into SAMs, but, alas, for some reason the effectiveness of these ships was so-so. Yes, according to British data, the SAM pilots shot down 7 Condors and 4 He-111s in nine sorties, and this may have been expensive, but converting 27 ships into SAMs, of which, by the way, the Germans sank 10, clearly cost more.

The second type of merchant aircraft carrier, the MAS, were ships with a flight deck built on top of the hull without a hangar and could receive aircraft after takeoff. The tasks remained the same.


In general, of course, the idea was… an idea. When on August 3, 1941, the crew of the Condor found convoy SL-81 in the Atlantic, sailing from Sierra Leone to Britain, they could not have imagined that a Harricat would fly out to meet them. But it did, launched from the ship Maplin, under the control of Lieutenant Robert Everett. And it shot down the Condor, whose crew was simply not prepared for such a turn of events. This was the first time that a Harricat shot down a German aircraft over the sea.

And what about Everett? He started to sink along with the plane. The Germans came to their senses and made a decent number of holes in the British interceptor. And Everett decided to land on the water. But the plane sank like a stone to the bottom, and the brave lieutenant was able to get out of the cockpit at a depth of almost 10 meters. He swam out and was picked up by his own people, although everything could have been more tragic.

For this, Lieutenant Everett was awarded the Distinguished Service Order. Yes, this award is given in the British Army and Navy to officers of major and above, but Everett was awarded by King George VI himself, and kings, you know, are above convention.

And five months after his successful attack and miraculous rescue, on January 26, 1942, Lieutenant Commander Robert Everett, flying out of Heron II on a mission, died when his plane crashed on the beach near the Royal Naval Air Station Charlton-Hawthorn.

In April 1942, the CAM ship first escorted convoy PQ-14, heading to ports in the Soviet Union. During this mission, the Hurricane pilot shot down a Ju.88, but his plane was damaged by anti-aircraft fire. artillery, the pilot died.

In general, as you can see, it didn't work out. The idea of ​​a kamikaze in the British style was not accepted by the kamikazes themselves. Indeed, in 1942, getting into the cockpit of a plane made in 1936, slightly reinforced to fly to nowhere - that's somehow not very gentlemanly.

A total of 50 Sea Hurricane IA and 340 Sea Hurricane IВ were built. That is, 390 aircraft and, most likely, about 200 pilots were involved. Aircraft are expendable material in this case. And as a result - 9 combat sorties.


In general, it should be summed up that the cultured European gentlemen had a somewhat different attitude towards self-sacrifice than the Eastern barbarians. More precisely, not at all. It was not accepted to go head-on, to ram the enemy when you ran out of ammunition, to direct your downed burning plane to the enemy's positions or to his ship. Somehow this did not fit into the heads of Europeans, no matter whether they were Germans, British, French, or Italians.

But the idea of ​​catapult kamikazes doesn't look chivalrous or European either. Let's be honest, there was little chance of surviving there, and not because you had to land on water (and its temperature is different, one in the North Sea, another in the Mediterranean, plus sharks), but because, having completed the task, you had to fly closer to your own. After all, you had to splash into the water next to your ships, so that they could catch you. And in battle, who would watch what kind of plane was crashing towards the ship? Who would accurately determine from a kilometer away, in the rush, whether it was yours or someone else's?

By the way, in convoy PQ-14 this is exactly how the pilot died – his own men fired back in full in the heat of battle. Claims – what claims can there be when torpedo bombers attack…


You know, to be honest, reading all this information gives me a strange feeling. They called us barbarians. And themselves so exalted, with high and pure ideals. Fighting according to the laws of knightly honor, which are unknown to the barbarians from the East.

I read in the British (a completely rotten nation, genetically rotten, at the DNA level) what a cruel and bad person Pokryshkin was. He lost wingmen. He shot down a downed German ace in the air when he was escaping with a parachute. Yes, Pokryshkin lost his wingman Berezkin. In a battle over Kuban, where the Germans were twice as many as ours. And the fact that some German shot Berezkin, who also jumped with a parachute, was seen on the ground. And they told about it.

And excuse me, why should Alexander Ivanovich feel sorry for the German? He was acquitted, you know, on all counts. We did not have a war according to the laws of chivalry, and there is nothing to talk about. But about how the Allies starved to death almost a million German prisoners of war in their camps - much has been written about this. By the Germans who survived.

You know, this poseur chivalry, war in white gloves (it is appropriate to recall here how the civilized Germans, French and British gassed each other at Ypres and Marne) - this is somehow not for us at all. The years after the war have only confirmed this. Is ramming barbaric? No question. And how to evaluate what was written above about the European "knights"? Probably the best term would be cowardice. Well, and the dominant instinct of self-preservation.

And today we are watching how all this has multiplied among the gentlemen Europeans and turned them into an incomprehensible substance. But why, let's say, do we care about this, if the events of the last three years clearly show that the spirit that threw our ancestors against machine guns and enemy aircraft has not gone anywhere? And how is Europe going to fight Russia at all, except for supplying the Armed Forces of Ukraine? This, of course, is a topic for a separate narrative and analysis, but if 80 years ago the same Germans and British were not examples of high spirit with rare exceptions, what are we going to talk about today?

Probably about the fact that being an Eastern barbarian is much more honorable than being a Western European “knight.”
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  1. + 11
    April 21 2025 06: 37
    I'm very sorry, but this is just some kind of incoherent stream of consciousness!
    1. + 12
      April 21 2025 09: 37
      Let's say that the author tried to systematize such a complex phenomenon as attacks in conditions of increased danger. It didn't work out very well, but he tried. I can't agree with the author in his assessment of Admiral Onishi Takijiro. During his service, he repeatedly demonstrated both personal courage and the courage of a commander. And the very way he committed sepukku speaks of courage. Here one can still argue about who is braver, Takijijiro or Matome Ugaki? In general, it should be noted that many Japanese admirals died for various reasons. Unlike the generals, who talked a lot about fortitude, etc., but somehow were in no hurry to meet the goddess Amaterasu.
      1. +5
        April 21 2025 14: 44
        The author tried to make an analysis... but it skidded a lot on the turns and eventually got stuck. Maybe it's worth rewriting the article? Add about the Americans, Italians, Finns, Chinese... divide by theater of operations... remove the empty talk, the topic is good, useful, but not fully developed yet. good
        1. +3
          April 21 2025 15: 03
          In general, yes, but in the version you propose, it would be worthy of a book.
    2. -2
      April 21 2025 21: 40
      I completely agree with you, everything is presented in such a way that a schoolboy might perceive it as the truth... Or did Roman Skomorokhov decide to try AI in the article??? Then everything is clear
    3. -2
      April 22 2025 14: 51
      Everything is explained clearly and understandably. I sympathize with those who cannot concentrate. Those who do not agree with the conclusions are ideological enemies.
  2. +1
    April 21 2025 06: 41
    Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
    Despite the fact that the German situation by 1945 was no different from the Japanese, that is, everything was falling apart at the seams, such examples of self-sacrifice were not observed.
    How could this not have been observed? The Luftwaffe even created a whole unit of suicide pilots who flew their planes onto the bridges over the Oder when the Red Army crossed it. A group of suicide pilots was also trained to fly the V-1, but for some reason it was not used.
    1. +4
      April 21 2025 06: 58
      Are there any documented facts that the Germans specifically sent planes to bridges? Photos, maybe in memoirs? It's one thing to issue such an order, another to carry it out.
      1. -1
        April 21 2025 06: 59
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        Are there any documented facts that the Germans specifically directed planes at bridges?
        I won't say anything about the documents. I once read an article on this topic.
    2. + 15
      April 21 2025 07: 10
      In my opinion, it was pure entertainment; the V-1s were destroyed quite well by 7,62mm machine guns.
      The author is mistaken, the V-1 warhead weighing 700-1000 detonated quite powerfully from the shelling, and considering that the rifle caliber of the machine guns forced the shell-plane to be fired at from a close distance, several planes were lost from the explosion.
      1. +1
        April 21 2025 15: 52
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        The author is mistaken, the V-1 warhead weighing 700-1000 detonated quite powerfully from the shelling, and considering that the rifle caliber of the machine guns forced the shell-plane to be fired at from a close distance, several planes were lost from the explosion.

        Of course. They tried to shoot them down from long, relatively safe distances - the result was unsatisfactory. There were no snipers of that class, often the entire ammunition load was wasted. So they had to come closer to 150-200 m and fly at 650-700 km/h into the explosion of a 700-1000 kg warhead. How long does it take to fly that distance at that speed? And considering that most of the interceptions took place over the Channel... the British had a good rescue service, but still, the English Channel is not the Black Sea in July.
        1. 0
          8 October 2025 16: 24
          Hurricanes didn't have a speed of 650-700 km/h. And the Spitfires and Takampests had 20 mm cannons and 7.7 mm machine guns. So they were unlikely to approach within 150-200 meters. And their aiming range was set to 300-400 meters. (The guns were in the wing.)
      2. +1
        April 23 2025 17: 54
        I agree that shooting a machine gun at a ton bomb is not much fun))). And about the caliber of the machine guns. The British fought mainly against the V-1. They did not have 7,62 mm caliber machine guns, but the British 0,303” (7,7 mm). In addition, all these flights against the V-20 took place at the end of the war, when all British fighters were already equipped with excellent XNUMX mm cannons. To combat aircraft with shells, they mainly used the most modern aircraft, Tempests, Spitfires of the latest series and even Gloster Meteor.
        1. 0
          April 23 2025 18: 05
          Quote from Sancheas
          Moreover, all these flights against the V-20 took place at the end of the war, when all British fighters were already equipped with excellent XNUMX-mm cannons.

          But a ton is a ton, and even with 20-mm guns the Spitfires were overturned, not fired upon.
    3. +3
      April 21 2025 10: 14
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The Luftwaffe even created an entire unit of suicide pilots.

      Yes, there was a program, not very successful, according to the testimony of historian Anthony Beaver, the Germans' suicide bombers only managed to destroy the railway bridge to Kustrin across the Oder, and 35 pilots and their planes became victims of useless attacks.

      It is impossible to deny the head-on rammings, which the Germans, for the most part, of course, avoided, but there were also some that took place, when no one turned away. I even read that our pilot remained alive after that.
    4. 0
      April 21 2025 11: 01
      And the "Rammägers" were supposed to ram in extreme cases, and they were supposed to go straight to the bombers, fortunately the 190 had something to shoot from
    5. +6
      April 21 2025 12: 05
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The Luftwaffe even created an entire unit of suicide pilots who flew their planes onto the bridges over the Oder when the Red Army crossed it.

      Were they flying, by any chance, on "Mistels"? If so, then they were not kamikazes, but pilots of a control plane for a heavy UAV: ​​in a "Mistel" coupling, the upper manned aircraft had to bring the lower unmanned aircraft to the launch point, aim the lower one at the target and unhook, going home.
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    7. 0
      April 23 2025 04: 26
      And their own planes? They weren't suicide bombers... And they weren't planes, or rather, they weren't their own planes, that they sent to the bridges over the Oder.
      Yes, Hanna Reitsch suggested making something like a missile aircraft out of the Fi-103, which would be directed by the pilot at Allied bombers, but these pilots were not suicide bombers, since after directing their aircraft they had to eject with a parachute.
  3. +3
    April 21 2025 07: 00
    Ours did it by virtue of self-sacrifice, and not by order - like the Japanese, and that says it all.
    After all, whatever you say, we are not Europeans or Asians, we are different.
    That is why there are such different attitudes towards war.
    1. Alf
      +1
      April 21 2025 20: 14
      Quote: your1970
      After all, whatever you say, we are not Europeans or Asians, we are different.

      "We are not the West, we are not the East, we are the North."
  4. +3
    April 21 2025 07: 04
    Respect to the author! I am also from the category of barbarians, and I fully support him.
    1. -2
      April 21 2025 11: 02
      Yes, we are Scythians,
      Are we Asians?
      1. +1
        April 21 2025 19: 51
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Yes, we are Scythians,
        Are we Asians?

        Russians are Europeans hi
        More like an average American of European descent. This is both my view "from the inside - from the outside" and the view of the Allies during the joint occupation of Germany in 1945.
        1. -1
          April 21 2025 20: 15
          What about the assimilation of Asia? Ours to you hi
          1. 0
            April 21 2025 20: 24
            Quote: novel xnumx
            What about the assimilation of Asia? Ours to you hi

            So the Americans assimilated everyone in a row, though, only those who came to them ))
            Some to a greater extent, some to a lesser extent.
            Just like we are here
            But
            Here they know how, with a high percentage of success, to identify the local elite and, thanks to it, assimilate the peoples
            The Americans took advantage of the locals, then gathering them into reservations))
  5. + 20
    April 21 2025 07: 04
    but if 80 years ago the same Germans and British were not examples of high spirit with rare exceptions, what are we going to talk about today?

    As I understand it, the author, analyzing the history of air rams, believes that their number reflects the presence of "high spirit" in the military personnel of Germany and Great Britain during the Second World War? At the same time, projecting this onto today, which is quite strange. What relation does the current generation, growing up in completely different conditions, have to their ancestors from the 40s?
    There has not been a single recorded ramming attack by Luftwaffe pilots. NOT ONE.

    Like Eduard Shallmoser's ramming of the Me-262 is fiction? Well, he wasn't really considered a hero. And for example, Nedelcho Ivanov Bonchev's ramming is also a Bulgarian fantasy? In general, it's a very convenient position to declare that the famous rammings of Luftwaffe pilots are nothing more than a deception and, accordingly, not to take them into account.
    "Harricat" takes off... one way.

    And what does this have to do with ramming? Using an aircraft from a catapult is simply a high level of risk, but the death of the pilot is not envisaged, this is not a one-way flight of a Tokkotai pilot with a knowingly fatal outcome. The Germans, for example, were going to use the Ba.349 Natter towards the end of the war, in which landing after an attack was not envisaged at all, jump with a parachute if you can.
    This opus really reeks of propaganda and it clearly ended up in the wrong section.
    1. +8
      April 21 2025 08: 19
      Not tryabva and behold the passes and Dimitar Spisarevski, the ram left the trace of the bomber.
      1. 0
        April 21 2025 11: 03
        Whose, bomber, may I ask?
        1. +5
          April 21 2025 11: 10
          American B-24, December 20, 1943.
          1. -1
            April 21 2025 11: 17
            Serves them right, I don't like them
            1. 0
              25 July 2025 10: 19
              On December 20, 1943, at an altitude of 8000 meters, a group of 150 American bombers “Liberator” B-24 “Liberator” (Be-24 “Liberator”) started a bombardment on Sofia. Aircraft with the 376th bomber group at the 15th Air Force at SASch. The formation is accompanied by 50 twin-engine twin-engine fighters Lockheed P-38 Lightning (Lockheed Pe-38 “Svetkavitsa”) from the 82nd fighter group. The Bulgarian air defense force barely managed to force 36 vehicles and meet 200 opponents. The enemy was intercepted by Bf-109 fighters, departed from the Bozhurishche flight site and Devoatin fighters, and departed from the Vrazhdebna flight site. Bulgarskiyat Orlyak 3/6 from Letishche Bozhurishche ima according to the decommissioned composition of the 17th fighter type Bf-109G-2. The task is to fight with the enemy fighters tomorrow. Orlyakt from Vrazhdebna – 2/6, 24 fighters “Devoatin” D-520 have been decommissioned. The task is to attack and bombard and force and bomb and bomb Sofia. Lettsite know that they are trying to save the time for the peaceful population and beggars. Tactical goals have been achieved and the formation has been disrupted. In this case, the artillery battle against air defense fired an 805 shell. Lieutenant Spisarevski and Second Lieutenant Georgi Kyumurdzhiev will die in battle. The Bulgarian planes will bring down 10 aircraft - 3 bombers and 7 fighters.
    2. +1
      April 21 2025 08: 49
      And when, where and whom did the German pilot ram in the Me 262? I just haven't come across such information.
      1. +7
        April 21 2025 09: 30
        Quote: Andrey VOV
        And when, where and whom did the German pilot ram in the Me 262? I just haven't come across such information.

        Eduard Schallmoser as part of JV44 on 03.04.1945 in a Me-262 shot down Lieutenant William Randle of 38FS49FG by ramming a P-14. This was the first ramming by a jet fighter. Then he shot down B-26, B-17 by ramming. He always justified this by saying that his weapons were broken.
        1. 0
          April 21 2025 10: 43
          However, given the speed, the lack of a propeller... And in the 27 there is a ton of defensive weapons.
    3. 0
      April 21 2025 09: 39
      I didn’t foresee it, but the probability of this is quite high, especially in northern waters.
    4. Fat
      +7
      April 21 2025 13: 17
      Quote: Puncher
      This opus really reeks of propaganda and it clearly ended up in the wrong section.

      Greetings. Doesn't smell. The article is all "agitprop"... It's good that there are at least some facts in it... Even if they are played out in an aggressively propagandistic way.
      Very often pilots died not as a result of a deliberate decision, but in the heat of battle during "dog fights".
      The Japanese are in their spirit... Not only did they fly in machines that were not equipped with armor and self-sealing gas tanks, they also did not wear parachutes, preferring to leave "like a broken precious stone"... Samurai. Bushido.
  6. +5
    April 21 2025 07: 24
    It’s really nothing, but you could call it an essay on a given topic.
  7. +9
    April 21 2025 07: 52
    Well, the British surface fleet fought bravely. So, it's somehow wrong to blame the whole nation. And their pilots fought well in our north.
    1. +4
      April 21 2025 13: 46
      That's for sure! On September 18, 1942, at about 11:30, a part of convoy PQ-18 (27 transports, at about 10:30 the steamship Kentucky was damaged by torpedo bombers in the area of ​​Kaniny Nos, the British minesweeper Sharpshooter and the armed trawler Cape Mariato were unable to repel the attack of the bombers, the Kentucky received 2 direct hits from bombs and the Allies finished it off), which was already going through the throat of the White Sea to Arkhangelsk (Molotovsk), was attacked by He-111s. A Hurricane, piloted by Burr, was launched from the Empire Morne. He was able to disrupt the order of the attacking torpedo bombers and shot down 1. Another 2 aircraft shot down ships and vessels of the convoy with anti-aircraft fire. Not a single ship of the convoy was damaged. Burr managed to fly to Arkhangelsk and landed at the airfield on Kegostrov. Directly, about 380-420 km... At this time, 20 Pe-3 from the Ponoy airfield were searching for German aircraft over the Barents Sea, but to no avail...
  8. + 13
    April 21 2025 08: 16
    sad
    I promise it will be educational.
    Hmm, let's read Military Review before writing for VO...

    Kamikaze... Well, it's different here. You can't help but respect the actions of the Japanese pilot who broke through fighters and naval air defense fire. That's how he interpreted his duty to the country, that's how his head and soul worked. And no one was forced to become a kamikaze, unlike Germany in 1945, in Japan, all kamikaze were volunteers.

    "You could even say that echoes of this propaganda are still present. For example, the idea that young men would line up at recruitment points for kamikaze schools is now very common. But the reality was somewhat different, and there were those who clearly did not want to be disposable pilots.

    Proof of this can be found in the memoirs of Kenichiro Onuki, one of the few failed (by chance) kamikazes. As Kenichiro himself recalls, enrollment in schools was voluntary, and when he was offered to enroll in one of the schools, he could refuse. However, such a refusal could be perceived not as a sensible act, but as an act of cowardice, which could lead to not the best consequences for both himself and his family. Therefore, he had to enroll in school."
    https://topwar.ru/143496-kamikadze-v-vozduhe-na-sushe-i-v-vode.html

    The Japanese were decided by their commanders, who said: "Go and die for Japan!" And the Japanese went and died. And the best picture of this is the ratio of American and Japanese losses during operations to liberate territories captured by the Japanese. Japanese soldiers really did die somehow... thoughtlessly.
    Yes, be afraid... at least of the Yasukuni Temple! At least you should know something about technical and quantitative superiority...

    P.S. There is no point in discussing the rest.
  9. +2
    April 21 2025 08: 49
    A mishmash of facts and conclusions, author, what did you want to say, what did you want to convince of?
    That ramming is the mentality of Asians, that's how we live as long as we exist.
    Reread Blok's "Scythians".
  10. +8
    April 21 2025 08: 58
    I have never read anywhere or from any of the Anglo-Saxons about "Russian barbarity" during WWII. On the contrary, they admired the Soviet soldiers, and the Americans generally made fun of... the Germans:
    "They called the Russians Untermensch, but they were so confident in the quality of their T-34s that they easily described the German T-4s and T-3s as rams."
    I think it was in a film from the History Channel about tank wars in the 20th century.
  11. BAI
    + 14
    April 21 2025 09: 03
    Yes, it is well known that the brave Luftwaffe pilots were very reluctant to engage in frontal attacks, and they came out of them completely exhausted.

    The Germans, first of all, were not fools. They fought "vertically" where their machines had an advantage (before the appearance of the La-5 and Yak-3). And they did not fight "head-on", where they were on equal terms, and "horizontally", where they were generally worse.
    Simple logic - fight in conditions where you have an advantage, and avoid fighting where you do not have an advantage.
    Why die in vain when you can win and stay alive?
    1. +1
      April 21 2025 09: 51
      The Germans, first of all, were not fools. They fought "vertically" where their machines had an advantage (before the appearance of the La-5 and Yak-3). And they did not fight "head-on", where they were on equal terms, and "horizontally", where they were generally worse.
      Simple logic - fight in conditions where you have an advantage, and avoid fighting where you do not have an advantage.
      Why die in vain when you can win and stay alive?


      Goering was an idiot. He gave the IA too much freedom, which is why it completely failed in its tasks.
      1. +3
        April 21 2025 11: 15
        Yes, it seems like there are a lot of downed ones (even if you divide by 5), but the infantry and bombers cannot operate without cover.
        1. 0
          April 21 2025 11: 55
          Yes, it seems like there are a lot of downed ones (even if you divide by 5), but the infantry and bombers cannot operate without cover.


          As the infantry says, the main thing for us is that you bomb the enemy, and that he doesn't bomb us, everything else doesn't concern us.
          This is the most correct assessment, because the IA was required to cover its attack aircraft and not allow enemy aviation to operate against its troops.
          And the downed planes are only a bonus, provided that the main combat mission is completed.
          It's not that the Germans didn't understand it. It's just that the "skinny" was a sports plane and remained one. As a combat aircraft, it's complete crap.
          It's like a biathlon rifle. You can fight with it, in principle, but it's easier to attack with the PPSh.
          "The Skinny" could barely even handle air defense missions. Because due to its design, the only tactics available to it were "boom-zoom". And it was distinguished by the fact that the time between attacks was very long. By the time you took up a position for another attack after one, the bombers of the opposing side would have time to drop their bombs.
          But the "skinny" one could not spin around them and disrupt the combat course with continuous attacks. A thin wing with one spar is not for turns. Such a design is very susceptible to twisting when the ailerons are deflected. That is why the load on the handle is greater, and this does not bring longevity to the design.
          Add to this the blind rear hemisphere and generally mediocre visibility, which is aggravated by the failure of acceleration dynamics at relatively low speeds (a well-known disadvantage of high-speed cars, which the VSP compensates for only partially).
          Of course, for the wingman from the cover group (who could get the "skinny" one more often), it was a big problem. When in response, the only thing to do was to dodge and shake a fist.
          But we are assessing the situation as a whole, when the fighter cover was pinched, but the bombers completed the task.
          When it was necessary to cover his strikers, the “skinny” one looked completely useless.
          Hence the desire to go ahead and "clear the sky." It's like driving a flock of sheep through a forest, sending shooters with guns far ahead in the hope that they will kill all the wolves.
          By the way, the "boom-zoom" worked if the target's height was at least 500 meters above the terrain.
          1. 0
            April 21 2025 12: 25
            And for "Cobra" the "Zoom-boom" tactic was prevalent, due to its features. But they shot down a lot
            1. -1
              April 21 2025 12: 27
              And for "Cobra" the "Zoom-boom" tactic was prevalent, due to its features. But they shot down a lot

              Due to the large weight, weak engine and the fact that there was already enough IA for secondary tasks.
    2. 0
      April 22 2025 17: 54
      Quote: BAI
      And they didn’t fight “head-on”, where they were on equal terms

      The Focke Wolf 190 had an advantage in frontal attack over the Soviet fighters. More powerful armament and the German was better protected by the engine from fire from the front.
  12. +6
    April 21 2025 09: 18
    Quote: Wildcat
    Yes, be afraid... at least of the Yasukuni Temple! At least you should know something about technical and quantitative superiority...

    To know, you have to read, and our author is a "writer" lol!
  13. Des
    +5
    April 21 2025 09: 44
    From an article by a respected author on VO:
    "By the way, Onishi himself for some reason was in no hurry to get into the cockpit of a kamikaze plane. He sat very calmly in Tokyo and only after the Decree of Japan's surrender on August 15 committed seppuku on himself, and even refused the help of an assistant (the one who cuts off his head in order to save him from suffering), suffering in agony for almost 12 hours. Well, in general, a poser. But passionately wanting to destroy 20 million Japanese in the name of a higher goal."
    Onishi is not a poser. He is a samurai.
  14. +3
    April 21 2025 09: 49
    The MiG-3 is a very complex aircraft, and a lot depended on its armament. While Alexander Pokryshkin's MiG-3 had five points, three of which were 12,7 mm Berezin machine guns, everything was more or less decent. When the wing-mounted large-caliber machine guns were removed, even such a classy fighter as Pokryshkin began to have problems. Rattling ShKAS at the Junkers-88 was quite an activity, which Pokryshkin honestly wrote about - it did not work out.


    But the UB that remained in the nose. And one UB plus two ShKAS, it is in any case better than four ShKAS on the I-16 type 24.
    Well, it is a well-known fact that the further the axes of the weapon barrels are from the axis of the sight, the more problems there are with aiming.
    1. +1
      April 21 2025 11: 19
      And what about the correction calculator? lol
      1. -1
        April 21 2025 11: 56
        And what about the correction calculator?


        That's not the point. The barrels had to be brought together. That's why the effective firing range was quite small.
        1. +2
          April 21 2025 12: 08
          Plus, machine guns and cannons located in the wings have lower accuracy than those located in the nose, and there is a limitation on caliber.

          Therefore, aircraft with a motor-gun became a significant step forward - the accuracy is higher than that of wing-mounted ones, the rate of fire does not need to be reduced by installing synchronizers, as on machine guns and cannons located above the engine.
          1. +1
            April 21 2025 12: 22
            Plus, machine guns and cannons located in the wings have lower accuracy than those located in the nose, and there is a limitation on caliber.

            Therefore, aircraft with a motor-gun became a significant step forward - the accuracy is higher than that of wing-mounted ones, the rate of fire does not need to be reduced by installing synchronizers, as on machine guns and cannons located above the engine.


            This is also true. Wing-mounted weapons are good for an attack aircraft, but not for a fighter.
        2. 0
          April 21 2025 12: 26
          400 meters, I think, if I remember correctly
          1. 0
            April 21 2025 12: 29
            400 meters, I think, if I remember correctly


            200-400. Depending on whether it is a VC or a NC.
  15. +8
    April 21 2025 10: 32
    When Onishi proposed forming a kamikaze corps, he was, in general, proceeding from quite practical considerations. By that time, it was already almost impossible to break through the air defense of American carrier formations. Radar fuses did their job. Plus, there was a catastrophic difference in the training of new Japanese pilots and American ones. Not to mention the quantitative ratio.

    And Onishi expressed himself in the sense that any pilot who received an order to attack had a meager chance of surviving. And if so - if you were going to die anyway, why not try to do it with maximum benefit? By setting your goal to ram enemy ships? Especially since in such a scenario even a light Zero with a suspended bomb of not the largest caliber, with a successful hit, could still significantly damage the deck of an aircraft carrier... After all, with bombers and especially their pilots - the Japanese had considerable problems at that time.
  16. 0
    April 21 2025 11: 33
    Elton John is knighted!
    By the way, I studied at the school "named after Pigorev and Minakov, who repeated the feat of Alexander Matrosov". We heard this phrase word for word every September 10st for all 1 years. That's why I remembered it for the rest of my life. After all, we were taught the right things.
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    2. +1
      April 23 2025 04: 35
      My three fellow countrymen, Gerasimenko, Krasilov, Cheremnov, did not repeat the feat of Alexander Matrosov, they did it a year earlier... And when one day the school principal said that they "repeated the feat of Matrosov", my question how they could repeat it a year earlier brought her into hysterics. laughing
  17. +1
    April 21 2025 11: 51
    Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
    Well, it is a well-known fact that the further the axes of the weapon barrels are from the axis of the sight, the more problems there are with aiming.

    The Americans somehow got by.
    1. -3
      April 21 2025 12: 48
      maybe they just knew how to shoot, unlike Tallalikhin... and their Browning 50'' (which is 12.7 mm) is cooler than the ShKAS (7.62 mm)... and of course the Japanese crafts were not distinguished by their durability (unlike the Deutsche Junkers and Heinkels)...
  18. +9
    April 21 2025 12: 06
    The author, in his usual manner, compares the warm with the soft and, based on this, draws far-reaching conclusions...
  19. +5
    April 21 2025 12: 21
    From what I have read, in some cases the Japanese kamikazes were not volunteers willing to die for their country, but young men forced to sacrifice their lives. The girl became a heroine. Sleep with the stars. Don't worry! I would like to try to live a full life. No, there is no death. I sent you alone. I don't know why I feel so alone. Hayashi Tadao, born in Tokyo in 1922, educated at the prestigious Kyoto Imperial University, enlisted as a military pilot in 1943, died on July 28, 1945, in a suicide mission against the American fleet, wrote in his diary. On another page of the diary we read: "I feel that I must accept the fate of my generation - to fight in the war and die. I call it fate because we have to go to our deaths without being able to express our opinions, without discussing and criticizing the pros and cons, without being able to behave according to our individual principles. To die in war, to die at the demand of the nation: I have no intention of praising this end; "It is a great tragedy." These are just a few examples of personal quotes from kamikaze pilots.
  20. +1
    April 21 2025 12: 42
    Today they wrote about the birthday of this site... And someone, having written about it, modestly
    He didn't fail to write about his debut here once... But in my opinion it would have been better if he hadn't started.
  21. +5
    April 21 2025 14: 39
    There has not been a single recorded ramming attack by Luftwaffe pilots. Not a SINGLE one.


    Someone is lying.....
    Either the car of this article or the author of this article.
    https://topwar.ru/33665-vozdushnyy-taran-oruzhie-ne-tolko-sovetskih-geroev.html?ysclid=m9r03mpvgg280381583

    In Soviet times, in the domestic literature, not only was there never even a mention of air ramming by German pilots, but it was also repeatedly stated that it was impossible to accomplish such exploits by "cowardly fascists." And this practice continued in the new Russia right up to the middle of the 90-s, while thanks to the appearance in our country of new Western studies translated into Russian and the development of the Internet, it became impossible to deny the documented facts of the heroism of our main adversary. Today is already a proven fact: the German pilots during the years of the 2 World War I repeatedly used the ram to destroy enemy planes. But the long-term delay in the recognition of this fact by domestic researchers causes only surprise and annoyance: after all, to be convinced of this, even in Soviet times, it was enough just to look critically at least at domestic memoirs literature. In the memoirs of Soviet veteran pilots, from time to time there are references to frontal collisions over the battlefield, when the planes of the opposing sides collided with each other at counter angles. What is this if not mutual ram? And if in the initial period of the war the Germans almost did not use such a reception, then this does not speak of the lack of courage of the German pilots, but of the fact that they had at their disposal sufficiently effective weapons of traditional types that allowed them to destroy the enemy without exposing their lives to unnecessary additional risk.

    I do not know all the facts of the rams committed by German pilots on different fronts of World War 2, especially since even those involved in the battles often find it difficult to say for sure whether it was a deliberate ram or an accidental clash in the confusion of high-speed maneuvering combat which recorded the rams). But even when listing the cases of ram victories of the German aces known to me, it is clear that in a hopeless situation the Germans bravely went on a deadly clash for them, often not sparing their lives for the sake of harming the enemy.
    If we speak specifically about the facts known to me, then among the first German "tarasters" can be called Kurt Sohatzi, who 3 August 1941 from Kiev, reflecting the attack of the Soviet attack aircraft on the German positions, destroyed the "unstuckable Cement Bomb" IL-2 with a frontal ram attack. When Messerschmitt collided, Kurt lost half of his wing, and he had to hastily make an emergency landing right along the flight path. Sohatzi landed on Soviet territory and was captured; nevertheless, the command in absentia awarded him the highest honor of Germany - the Knight's Cross for the feat.

    If at the beginning of the war the ramming actions of the German pilots who had been victorious on all fronts were rare exceptions, then in the second half of the war, when the situation was not in favor of Germany, the Germans began to use ram attacks more frequently. So, for example, 29 March 1944 g in the skies of Germany famous ace Luftwaffe Herman Graf rammed the American fighter "Mustang", while receiving severe injuries, put him on a hospital bed for two months. The next day, March 30, 1944, on the Eastern Front, repeated the "Gastello feat" of the German assault ace, Knight's Cross holder Alvin Boerst. In the area of ​​Yass, he on the anti-tank variant Ju-87 attacked a Soviet tank column, was hit by anti-aircraft guns and, dying, rammed the tank in front of him. Posthumously, Boers was awarded with Swords to the Knight's Cross. In the West 25 in May 1944 r a young pilot Oberfenrich Hubert Heckman on Bf.109G rammed Mustang captain Joe Bennett, decapitating the American fighter squadron, and then escaped by parachute. And 13 July 1944 r another famous ace - Walter Dahl - hit by a heavy American bomber B-17.


    German pilots: Fighter ace Herman Graf and assault ace Alvin Boerst


    There were Germans pilots who committed several rams. For example, in the skies of Germany, when repelling American raids, Hauptmann Werner Gert rammed enemy planes three times. In addition, the pilot of the assault squadron of the Udet squadron, Willy Maksimovich, became widely known, destroying American four-engine bombers with ram attacks 7 (!). Vili died over Pillau in an air battle against Soviet 20 fighters on April 1945.

    But the cases listed above are only a small part of the air ramies committed by the Germans. In the conditions of the allied aviation’s full technical and quantitative superiority over the German war over the Germans, the Germans were forced to create units of their “kamikazes” (and even before the Japanese!). Already at the beginning of 1944, the formation of special fighter-assault squadrons for the destruction of the American bombers that bombed Germany began in the Luftwaffe. The entire personnel of these units, which included volunteers and ... penalty box, gave a written commitment to destroy at least one bomber on each sortie — if necessary, by means of ram attacks! It was precisely in such a squadron that Vili Maksimovich, mentioned above, entered, and Major Walter Dahl, already familiar to us, headed these units. The Germans were forced to resort to the tactics of mass rams precisely at that period when their former air superiority was nullified by the hordes of the heavy Allied Flying Forts, which were advancing from the west, and armadas of Soviet planes attacking from the east. It is clear that the Germans did not adopt such tactics from a good life; but this does not detract from the personal heroism of the German fighter pilots who voluntarily decided on self-sacrifice to save the German population, who died under the American and British bombs ...


    Commander fighter-assault squadrons, Walter Dahl; Werner Gert, ramming the 3 Fortress; Willy Maksimovich, destroyed 7 "Fortresses"


    The official adoption of ramming tactics required the Germans to create the appropriate equipment. Thus, all fighter-assault squadrons were equipped with a new modification of the FW-190 fighter with enhanced armor that protected the pilot from enemy bullets at the moment of approaching closely (actually the pilot was sitting in an armored box completely covering him from head to toe). The best test pilots practiced methods of rescuing a pilot from an aircraft damaged by a ram attack with the attack aircraft “rammers” —General Adolf Galland, the commander of German fighter aircraft, believed that attack fighters should not be suicide bombers and did everything possible to save these valuable pilots ...
    1. +1
      April 23 2025 04: 44
      The thing about Kurt Sochatzi is a lie.
    2. +2
      April 23 2025 06: 24
      In Soviet times, not only was there never even a mention of aerial ramming by German pilots in domestic literature, but it was also repeatedly stated that it was impossible for “cowardly fascists” to perform such feats.
      I never understood this, because by devaluing the enemy you belittle the merits of your own
  22. +1
    April 21 2025 15: 23
    The ZERO did not fly kamikaze! For kamikaze, they produced only a cheap version of the plane, which could only take off and that's it. Then gain altitude. Fly straight! Having found the target, the kamikaze put the plane into a dive and flew to the target! And by the way, combat pilots were not eager to join the ranks of the kamikaze!
    1. +1
      April 21 2025 16: 31
      Quote: solovyov-igor
      For the kamikaze, they produced an exclusively cheap version of the aircraft, which could only take off and that was it.

      What was the name of this, so to speak, ash heap?
      1. +1
        April 21 2025 20: 07
        especially for you...Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi...specially for kamikaze
        1. +1
          April 23 2025 04: 46
          Nonsense. None of the Ki-115 aircraft were used at all.
    2. +1
      April 22 2025 15: 31
      Quote: solovyov-igor
      There were no kamikazes flying on ZERO!

      So who then attacked the AVE "Taffy 1" on October 25, 1944?
      On the morning of the first day of the battle, October 25, 1944, a group of American escort carriers near Mindanao launched aircraft to attack Japanese ships. At 7.40:3000 a.m., radar detected enemy aircraft. Shortly thereafter, the carrier Sengamon spotted four Zero fighters flying directly over the ship at an altitude of XNUMX m. Three of them went into a steep dive, each targeting a different ship. The fourth Zero hesitated.
      The first plane, having made a left turn, dived from the direction of the sun onto the aircraft carrier Senti, which no longer had time to evade. Firing its cannons, the Zero crashed onto the flight deck, creating a hole in it about seven meters long. The suspended bomb worsened the destruction. The Avengers on the deck burst into flames, the fire approached the stack of 450-kg bombs prepared for suspension. Sixteen minutes after the kamikaze attack, Senti was suddenly rocked by another explosion. This time it was hit by a torpedo fired by a Japanese submarine. The aircraft carrier listed to starboard, but its crew continued to fight for the survivability of the "ship" and achieved success: the fires were extinguished and Senti remained afloat.
      The Americans kept a close eye on the attacking Zeros. The second kamikaze approached the aircraft carrier Suwanee from the stern, but was hit by anti-aircraft fire. Smoking, it headed for the aircraft carrier Sengamon, but before it could reach it, it crashed into the water. The third Zero was also shot down in the air and fell near the aircraft carrier Petroff Bay.
      The fourth Zero was weaving in the clouds behind the ships. The Hellcat was closing fast on it, but the Japanese plane, flipping over its wing, evaded the attack and went plumb for the Sengamon. It crashed into the deck forward of the aft elevator, its engine penetrating the third deck, and its 250 kg bomb exploded on the hangar deck. Despite the severity of the damage, the Sengamon, like the Senti, remained in action thanks to the efforts of its crew.

      Later that day, the Zeros struck the Taffy 3 AEW.
    3. 0
      April 23 2025 04: 48
      Well, we don't need these fairy tales... These aren't children sitting here... It was the A6M2 that served as the main vehicle for the "Special Attack Corps" of the Imperial Navy.
  23. 0
    April 21 2025 17: 08
    Quote: Macsen_Wledig
    What was the name of this, so to speak, ash heap?

    Well, they had, or maybe they didn't, who knows, a jet-propelled missile "Oka". But that's exotic. So, I join your question.
    1. +1
      April 23 2025 04: 49
      It was used and even sank one American destroyer.
  24. +1
    April 21 2025 17: 09
    Quote: wlkw
    Someone is lying.....
    Either the car of this article or the author of this article.


    "Never despise the enemy, no matter who he is. Try to know his weapons and the way he uses and fights with them; know what he is strong in and what he is weak in."
    Alexander Vasilievich Suvorov.
  25. Alf
    +1
    April 21 2025 20: 08
    being an eastern barbarian is much more honorable than being a western European "knight".

    1. "The West is the West
    East is East
    And they will never come together."
    2. "We are not the West, we are not the East, we are the North."
  26. Alf
    +3
    April 21 2025 20: 27
    But the British had kamikazes.
  27. +3
    April 21 2025 21: 04
    Among the Russian liberal intelligentsia there are enough people who like to invent exploits for the Germans

    "Do you remember Ponyri? Chatterboxes... They used to say: "The German is a coward, the German is afraid of a head-on attack, he will definitely turn away"! But mine didn't turn away... So much so that... the planes flew off: a wing to the left, a wing to the right. I came to on the ground - the "Yak" was burning out, and before my eyes... the cherry tree was blooming"(C)
    "Did they make things up back then too?"
    1. +1
      April 21 2025 22: 54
      Although I generally agree with your message, it would be useful to mention that this quote belongs to Alexey Skvortsov - fictional a character from the legendary film "Only Old Men Are Going to Battle", filmed almost 30 years after the war. None of the film's scriptwriters fought in aviation during the war, nor did any of the actors or other members of the film crew, as far as I know. Therefore, how much of this phrase is true and how much is artistic invention is not exactly known.
      And to your question
      "Did they make things up back then too?"

      I can answer with a quote from another, no less legendary, Soviet film:
      "I won't ask about your exploits - I've heard about them. And then you'll tell me yourself when peace comes. Well, you'll lie a little, as is proper. If you don't lie beautifully, you can't tell a story!»

      And I'm not saying that the quote you provided has no basis. I'm saying that it's correct to use quotes from works of art to support your views on certain historical events.
  28. +1
    April 21 2025 21: 09
    Quote: WapentakeLokki
    especially for you...Nakajima Ki-115 Tsurugi...specially for kamikaze

    "A total of 1945 Ki-105s were produced by August 115, which the Allies discovered after Japan's defeat."

    Andrey Firsov, "Japanese Aviation in World War II. Part Three: Nakajima - Tachikawa".
    Is this what you write about? We read, read, read...
  29. -2
    April 21 2025 21: 52
    The Germans had changed a lot by the end of the war. Until 1943 (Kursk Bulge) they were convinced of their superiority. In fighting skills, equipment, maneuver, supplies, equipment, etc. But then things started to go, in 1944 they were driven out of everywhere, with huge losses, and the war entered the Reich. And then the Russians' commanders' skills grew, weapons appeared - T-34-85, Su-100, IS-2, Yak-3, La-7, Tu-2, lots and lots of artillery, and Lend-Lease was in full swing. And the Germans' military industry was getting a weekly kick in the teeth (strategic bombing of the Allies). And then they started to resist, and there was heroism, self-sacrifice, and fanaticism. It was not easy to break all this. Regarding the Britons and Franks - I agree with the author, in part. Well, modern Germans are not like their ancestors, I talked to them a lot, they are not heroes at all.
  30. +3
    April 22 2025 11: 44
    Well, you need to have inhuman patience to create such an abundant, chaotic flow of words, and even more patience to overcome this flow.
    I didn't read the whole article - I didn't have the strength laughing
  31. +3
    April 22 2025 13: 44
    Ramming was a rather complex maneuver, the main goal of which was to destroy the enemy's aircraft and, preferably, not to ruin your own,
    The author did not understand the topic and became confused in his reasoning.

    Aerial ramming is not a normal way to conduct aerial combat.
    The actions of a kamikaze pilot are not a normal way of conducting naval combat.
    That is, the unifying factor here is abnormality.
    But both of these abnormal methods are united by a common factor - the heroism of the person using this method.
    And the kamikaze has a higher level of heroism than a pilot who carries out an aerial ramming.

    As for shooting a downed pilot descending by parachute, this is a normal action, provided that he is descending over enemy territory.
    If it's over your own territory, then it's relatively normal.
  32. +1
    April 22 2025 23: 02
    As for the British. The attack on Taranto. When they attacked a protected base with biplanes. And sank the Italians in the process. A one-way attack, essentially. And the author has an article about it. Where he emphasizes the courage of the British naval pilots.
    1. +1
      April 23 2025 11: 31
      Quote: Alex013
      As for the British. The attack on Taranto. When they attacked a protected base with biplanes. And sank the Italians in the process. A one-way attack, essentially.

      Nope. It's a night attack on an Italian base. Key words - night и Italian.
      And the "string bags" were surprisingly resilient under the fire of air defense systems. To disrupt their attack, either fighters or... a strong wind were needed. smile

      A one-way attack is the daytime attack of the Gneisenau in Brest on April 6, 1941. Of the 6 Beauforts planned for the attack, only Kenneth Campbell's side reached the target, dropped a torpedo (in daylight! inside the harbor in a tiny "drop window"!) - and was immediately shot down. But it accomplished its task.
      A torpedo with a 204 kg TNT warhead hit the starboard side in front of the aft main caliber turret (compartments IV and V). As a result of the explosion, the ship took on 3050 tons of water, listed by 2 degrees and sank by 1,2 m by the stern. The outer plating was damaged over an area of ​​210 m2, in the area of ​​the explosion the first longitudinal bulkhead, the armored anti-torpedo, thin longitudinal and transverse bulkheads were destroyed, the inner bottom, upper and middle platforms were deformed. The hit was in a particularly vulnerable place, where the outer propeller shaft passed through the lower part of the anti-torpedo protection near the aft turret. The starboard shaft corridor was destroyed over a length of 36 m. All the packing glands in the undamaged aft bulkheads weakened, which led to extensive flooding of the compartments adjacent to the corridor, which also caused the failure of the middle propeller shaft. The starboard shaft bearings were seriously damaged. The flooding disabled some auxiliary machinery, as well as the main turbines in engine rooms No. 1 and No. 3. Salt water damaged much of the electrical equipment in the damaged area, which had to be completely replaced.
      At the time of the attack, the water and fuel tanks were 80% full. In the explosion zone, the fuel tanks were destroyed and a mixture of oil and salty seawater penetrated the central control post, the aft gyrocompass post and the aft fire control post; some of the equipment in them was out of order. The aft turret cellars were flooded only with water, which made it much easier to pump it out. Some transformers, artillery telephones, optical instruments, gyrocompasses and other small electrical equipment were damaged by the concussion.
      © S. V. Suliga. Battleships of the Scharnhorst type. MK, Special issue No. 1, 2002.
      1. +1
        April 25 2025 18: 59
        Quote: Alexey RA
        A one-way attack is a daytime attack

        ...or the attack by 825 Squadron under the command of Esmond Knight on German ships breaking through the English Channel in February 44.
        I don't know how true it is, but they say this is the last photo of Knight's "swordfish"...
  33. +1
    April 22 2025 23: 51
    Well, actually, shooting a V-shaped bomb filled with explosives with a machine gun is not a very good idea, it’s closer to the psychology of a kamikaze.
  34. +1
    April 23 2025 12: 36
    Author, I understand, you really want to show off, but what do you think is the probability of hitting a ship from a height of 5 km? That's right, it is equal to the statistical error. Everything stated can be stated as follows: during the battle, pilots went to ram based on the situation - adrenaline, the desire to win and they certainly did not think about dying, in the case of ramming ground vehicles, adrenaline and upbringing. A kamikaze is a crazy fanatic who knew in advance that he would die. But the trouble is that kamikaze pilots were more often untrained and they could hit a ship only by accident.
    Want to shoot down a V-1 with machine guns? The V-40 charge weighs up to a ton, the shock wave will destroy any airplane of that time at a distance of 100 meters, and keep in mind that the fighter is approaching the target, that is, we increase the distance even more, up to 50 meters, and there are still a lot of fragments. Even from large-caliber machine guns and cannons they hit from a distance of 100-XNUMX meters, since further is ineffective (aircraft shaking, target movement).
  35. +1
    April 25 2025 13: 30
    Quote: Nord11
    Well, actually, shooting a V-shaped bomb filled with explosives with a machine gun is not a very good idea, it’s closer to the psychology of a kamikaze.

    In order for the explosive charge to go off, it is necessary to hit the fuse precisely. Very precisely, so that the primer cap and the detonator cap work. Imagine what area the caps occupy on the overall projection of the rocket.
  36. +1
    April 25 2025 13: 32
    Quote: Victor Sergeev
    they hit from a distance of 50-100 meters,

    But they said about Ivan Nikitich that he shot from 200-300 meters. They are probably lying.