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South Korea is still blind

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On the third anniversary of the North Korean torpedo attack of the South Korean Corvette of the Pohang class, South Korea discovered that, compared with 2010, it was not much better prepared for torpedo attacks from North Korean mini-submarines. This is due to the fact that the correction of the current situation could not be carried out in a hurry.

South Korea needs the best means of detecting small North Korean submarines. Pohang class corvettes were equipped with sonars capable of detecting such small submarines at a distance of about two kilometers. A new sonar capable of detecting these submarines beyond 15 kilometers was not available. At the same time, the replacement of the Pohang class ships is in full swing, the first of these Incheon class frigates was adopted for service two months ago.

Another solution was a system of hydroacoustic stations, similar to the American SOSUS system used during the Cold War. It can be deployed, but to complete its work it takes several years to use it to listen to the noise of submarines and surface ships (and large sea creatures) so frequent in coastal areas in order to establish who is who and what is what. This process is already underway, but it will take another year or two before some benefit from SOSUS appears.



Despite the fact that the Pohang corvettes were built to fight submarines, they turned out to be really effective only against twenty large North Korean ocean submarines. All these old, noisy boats rarely go to sea. Most of the North Korean 90 submarines are much smaller than ocean submarines and operate along the coast. In shallow water there are more currents and much more than other underwater noise. The Pohang sonar, designed to detect old and noisy submarines in the open sea, proved ineffective in the coastal zone. An order was received to immediately install a more powerful sonar, but a suitable sonar could not be found. But even if he did, he would weigh much more than the existing one, which in turn would lead to an imbalance of the ship.

Corvette Pohang is a small ship. Its length is just the 88.3 meter and the displacement is 1200 tons. The crew of the 95 man provides a large number of weapons. There are four Harpoon anti-ship missiles, two 76-mm cannons, two paired 40-mm automatic cannons, six torpedo tubes (each with an 324-mm anti-submarine Mk46) and twelve depth charges. The maximum speed is 32 knots (59 kilometers per hour), cruising 15 knots (28 kilometers per hour). Autonomy is about ten days.

South Korea is still blind


In the period between the 1983 and the 1993 for years, the 24 Corvette Pohang was adopted. To date, one has been written off and one (Cheonan) has been sunk. The remaining Pohang corvettes will be written off shortly. The Incheon-class 2300 ton frigate will replace the Pohang corvette, but they are only being built and will go into service one or two a year. Thus, over the next decade or so, Pohang corvettes will still be targets for North Korean torpedoes. In order to avoid this, an attempt was made to install devices capable of detecting the sound of an approaching torpedo, as well as equipping with acoustic (noise) lures capable of attracting some types of torpedoes. These remedies are of limited effectiveness. At the moment, Pohang corvettes are just as vulnerable as they were three years ago.

South Korean efforts to install a sonar antenna array along its shores proved more successful, and some details of this became known. It is known that the technology is similar to the one that the US used for its SOSUS system during the Cold War. The SOSUS system was very expensive to maintain. American SOSUS managed to survive the end of the Cold War only because its sensors became available for civilian research, as well as through the use of cheaper and more powerful electronic and communication technologies. While many parts of SOSUS were decommissioned, other additional portable SOSUS devices were deployed as needed. Obviously, South Korea got access to these technologies.



South Korea, it seems, was assisted in the modernization of its sonars. The US is doing research in this area and apparently offered its help. South Korea also has the scientific capabilities and manufacturing facilities for such devices. The first South Korean SOSUS system was deployed in the western coastal area near the North Korean border. Detection of North Korean submarines going underwater on battery power and near the coast is a very difficult task. South Korean SOSUS will help equalize chances.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo April 4 2013 08: 18
    +9
    Good morning everybody hi

    The potential of the armed forces of South Korea and the Republic of Korea
    1. Professor
      April 4 2013 08: 56
      +2
      Nuclear warheads: 12-23.

      Well yes? wink
      1. Landwarrior
        Landwarrior April 4 2013 09: 31
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Well yes? wink

        Yankees drove laughing
      2. avt
        avt April 4 2013 10: 41
        0
        Quote: Professor
        Well yes? wink

        Amerovskys, since the time of the USSR are placed there.
        1. Professor
          April 4 2013 12: 47
          +5
          Amerovskys, since the time of the USSR are placed there.

          In the DPRK? After all, the tablet refers to the DPRK.
          1. avt
            avt April 4 2013 14: 31
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            DPRK? After all, the tablet refers to the DPRK.

            Well, I didn’t make out request , Here you are right. So much as they probably do not rivet. hi
    2. omsbon
      omsbon April 4 2013 09: 41
      0
      It also seems to me that the moral and psychological component of both armies has not been taken into account.
    3. UPStoyan
      UPStoyan April 4 2013 09: 45
      +1
      The numbers do not leave a complete picture. The technical equipment of South Korea is much better, especially in terms of the fleet and aviation. Still, the DPRK army is based on the Soviet developments of the 50s.
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal April 4 2013 10: 15
      0
      I do not completely agree with the statistics indicated in the picture. More precisely, with the fact where it is indicated about the nuclear weapons 12-23 ... Something really can not be believed!
  2. Russian
    Russian April 4 2013 08: 30
    0
    2300 ton frigate? Almost like our corvettes! Although the pace of production, one or two a year, can only be envied.
  3. Grishka100watt
    Grishka100watt April 4 2013 10: 07
    +3
    And that the sausage is not working now? And if it doesn’t work and they want to launch it, is it not connected with us?
    Can't they "under the guise" with North Korea, work on a system that is directed against us? This is the same as the missile defense, only in the other hand.
    1. mark1
      mark1 April 4 2013 10: 35
      +3
      Any fuss allegedly directed against North Korea has Russia and China as its ultimate goal. North Korea is like "a terrible giant red-haired and mustachioed cockroach." It is very convenient to scare everyone and do your business.
      1. Beck
        Beck April 4 2013 10: 52
        +5
        Quote: mark1
        Any fuss allegedly directed against North Korea has Russia and China as its ultimate goal. North Korea is like "a terrible giant red-haired and mustachioed cockroach." It is very convenient to scare everyone and do your business.


        Russia and China certainly have their interest in the DPRK, but not to the extent that a nuclear war is possible. This dictator Eun is building up tension. All of them are inadequate which have unlimited power. The Ayatollahs of Iran also want nuclear weapons, the patriots assent to them, if only the amers hiccuped. Well, they will have, with the blessings of the Urashniks, the ayatollahs with the atomic bomb. And that will be? And there will be the same catavasia of nuclear psychosis that is now happening on the Far Eastern borders of Russia, only it will be on the southern borders. Here is the beauty for Russia, in the understanding of the Urashniks, on the southern and Far Eastern borders, inadequate dictators will brandish atomic dubai. Quietly, it will be for all of us ...

        And in order for the amers to have a very tight time, the Urashniks will also support the desire of the Taliban of Afghanistan to get their nuclear club, well, of course, this is not against Russia, but for the amers to be driven. That beauty will live surrounded by nuclear psychopaths.
        1. mark1
          mark1 April 4 2013 11: 15
          0
          Naturally, neither Russia nor China will get into a fight over the DPRK, let alone with nuclear weapons (at least until there is an immediate threat to their own security). Naturally, both "ayatol" and "YNs" should be brought in line and their toys should be taken away from them. But the United States is deeply concerned that nuclear weapons are deployed along our border. Only. what is important for them is the maximum benefit from the current situation, taking the opportunity to create the most advantageous configuration of the global missile defense system to prevent unacceptable losses, after a preemptive strike, in the event of a retaliatory strike by the remnants of the strategic nuclear forces of Russia or China (or both)
          1. Beck
            Beck April 4 2013 11: 48
            -3
            Quote: mark1
            But the United States is deeply concerned that nuclear weapons are deployed along our border. Only. what is important for them is the maximum benefit from the current situation


            I do not agree. If what happens on the Korean peninsula, the United States will fight the moron Eun, not China or Russia.

            And if the United States were to ... place on the deployment of nuclear weapons along the borders of the Eurasian Nuclear Power, what would they protest against the Iranian nuclear weapons, impose sanctions on Iran. Somehow your logic doesn’t agree here. By your logic, on the contrary, the United States should even help Iran. It’s only Uroshniki who cry to help Iran get hold of nuclear weapons.
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 4 2013 15: 06
              0
              To begin with, I can assume that it will not come to a fight. "Naughty Eun" was simply cornered and accused of all mortal sins, he is trying to rectify the situation, make himself reckoned with, balancing on the brink, but nothing more, from his side, I think there will be no first blow. For the Americans, it is beneficial to attack him. "Naughty Eun" will be crushed in a week, while he will also be to blame for everything, while AUG will be deployed off the coast of Korea for an indefinitely long time, and a missile defense system will be completed on the sly in the Pacific region. And how much blood will flow across the peninsula, how many refugees will flee to China and the Far East! Therefore, China, to a greater extent, and Russia, to a lesser extent, will block any actions aimed at escalating events from a cold phase to a hot one. In addition, China is bound by a mutual assistance treaty with the DPRK
              In the case of Iran. The US is on the availability of nuclear weapons from Iran. The United States is more concerned about the strategic position, the Caspian region and hydrocarbon reserves, and nuclear weapons are a good reason to climb in there. Pakistan and Israel, the United States does not interfere with sleep.
              1. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ April 5 2013 02: 11
                0
                Quote: mark1
                "Naughty Eun" will be crushed in a week, while he will also be to blame for everything, while AUG will be deployed off the coast of Korea for an indefinitely long time, and a missile defense system will be completed on the sly in the Pacific region. And how much blood will flow across the peninsula, how many refugees will flee to China and the Far East! Therefore, China, to a greater extent, and Russia, to a lesser extent, will block any actions aimed at escalating events from a cold phase to a hot one. In addition, China is bound with the DPRK by a mutual assistance treaty

                What weeks? The USA and two AUGs cannot be recruited in the Pacific Ocean, and is this against the 7kk army?
                Most likely, Obama became aggravated with his speech on containing the Chinese threat, and the Chinese began to act. they want to crush the stronghold of American forces in this region with the wrong hands, and at the same time fry the amers themselves. Put equipment and personnel in the DPRK. flip a nuclear missile at their AUG or bases. Seoul and Tokyo will turn into Chernobyl. And what will the US answer? Against a completely militarized country with thousands of shelters and highlands, and besides with S-300 level air defense systems? Moreover, when near 1,3 billion China with a powerful economy and defense industry.
                Yes, the USA crap with its criticism of China, and now they are raking shit. negotiations are being held so that they are not pressed down today. But I think that Eun will still get banged or get his tribute from the USA.
                1. mark1
                  mark1 April 5 2013 06: 35
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                  [quote = Gluxar_] The USA and two AUGs cannot be recruited in the Pacific Ocean, [/ quot Let me know where else 4 Pacific AUGs have gone?
                  [quote = Gluxar_] They put equipment and personnel in the DPRK. flip a nuclear missile at their AUG or bases. Seoul and Tokyo will turn into Chernobyl. [/ quote]
                  Are you waved your saber too cheerfully? Not one of the parties is unprepared to start a nuclear war, and North Koreans do not bury themselves alive in the ground, even if China asks them (and China does not ask, he doesn’t)
                  [quote = Gluxar_] S-300 level air defense? [/ quote]
                  ... ???
                2. mark1
                  mark1 April 5 2013 06: 46
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                  [
                  quote = Gluxar_] The USA and two AUGs cannot be scored in the Pacific, [/ quot

                  Let me find out where 4 more Pacific AUGs have gone?
                  Quote: Gluxar_
                  They put equipment and personnel in the DPRK. flip a nuclear missile at their AUG or bases. Seoul and Tokyo will turn into Chernobyl.

                  Are you waved your saber too cheerfully? Not one of the parties is unprepared to start a nuclear war, and North Koreans do not bury themselves alive in the ground, even if China asks them (and China does not ask, he doesn’t)
                  Quote: Gluxar_
                  S-300 level air defense?

                  ... ???
                3. mark1
                  mark1 April 5 2013 06: 49
                  +1
                  [quote] [quote = Gluxar_] The United States and two AUGs cannot be scored in the Pacific, [/ quot [/ quote]
                  Let me find out where 4 more Pacific AUGs have gone?
                  [quote] [quote = Gluxar_] They put equipment and personnel in the DPRK. flip a nuclear missile at their AUG or bases. Seoul and Tokyo will turn into Chernobyl. [/ quote] [/ quote]
                  Are you waved your saber too cheerfully? Not one of the parties is unprepared to start a nuclear war, and North Koreans are not weak-minded to bury themselves alive in the ground, even if China asks them (and China does not ask, he is also not weak-minded (don't miss another word) )
                  [quote] [quote = Gluxar_] S-300 level air defense? [/ quote] [/ quote]
                  ... ???
                  1. Gluxar_
                    Gluxar_ April 5 2013 11: 51
                    +1
                    Quote: mark1
                    Are you waved your saber too cheerfully? Not one of the parties is ready to start a nuclear war, and North Koreans are not weak-minded to bury themselves alive in the ground, even if China asks them (and China does not ask, he is also not weak-minded (they don’t miss another word))

                    Why do you think so ? Here the Japanese at 45 were not ready. And the DPRK are ready, and therefore have created their own nuclear devices. Why do you think they invested more than 50% of their GDP in the nuclear and missile program? Then to sell for 5 tons of rice? It is unlikely that I think there are quite tough people who understand that you can talk with parasites only from a position of strength.
                    The country is ready for possible consequences, unlike the United States and the Republic of Kazakhstan. The saying "after a fight they don't wave their fists" will help to understand the situation well.
                    The United States has a strong position only until the outbreak of war or in the event of a preemptive strike. However, if they receive one by one, they will quickly fall off.

                    Quote: mark1
                    ... ???

                    HQ-9
          2. Beck
            Beck April 4 2013 12: 05
            -1
            Quote: mark1
            Naturally, neither Russia nor China will get into the fray for the DPRK, and even less so with nuclear weapons


            That's for sure. And if that happens, then on the Korean Peninsula, the United States will fight with Eun, to eliminate the nuclear threat to the region.

            Quote: mark1
            But the United States is deeply concerned that nuclear weapons are deployed along our border. Only. what is important for them is the maximum benefit from the current situation,


            Somehow here your logic is not visible. If the United States benefits from nuclear weapons along the borders of the EurAsEC, then why did they get into a confrontation with Iran over nuclear weapons? They should be silent and rub their hands that Iran is creating nuclear weapons, and the US is against it, imposing sanctions on Iran. It’s for us to say that nuclear weapons can be located along the southern borders of Russia, it’s with their cries, if only they hiccuped to the amers, they contribute to the reception of orthodox ayatollahs of a nuclear club. And the Urashniki do not think that tomorrow, if not a nuclear explosion on the territory of Russia occurs, then the radioactive ash will necessarily add up the southern cities of Russia.
          3. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ April 5 2013 02: 03
            -1
            Quote: mark1
            Naturally, neither Russia nor China will get into a fight over the DPRK, let alone with nuclear weapons (at least until there is an immediate threat to their own security). Naturally, both "ayatol" and "YNs" should be brought in line and their toys should be taken away from them. But the United States is deeply concerned that nuclear weapons are deployed along our border. Only. what is important for them is the maximum benefit from the current situation, taking the opportunity to create the most advantageous configuration of the global missile defense system to prevent unacceptable losses, after a preemptive strike, in the event of a retaliatory strike by the remnants of the strategic nuclear forces of Russia or China (or both)

            What kind of missile defense? There are up to 50 military satellites in orbit, some with a nuclear installation, some with a more interesting surprise. if such a satellite is undermined, ANY positioning and radio detection system fails for a period of 6 hours to 3 days. How long does it take for mobile launchers to deploy and launch?
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 5 2013 06: 41
              +1
              Excuse me, whose companions? Is it really North Korean !!! ??? Or maybe the Chinese?
              1. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ April 5 2013 12: 05
                0
                Quote: mark1
                Excuse me, whose companions? Is it really North Korean !!! ??? Or maybe the Chinese?

                Try to read what is written. There are clear letters. Russian satellites.
                Although speaking of DPRK, their companion flies there, sings songs and carries a present.
                At one time, a naked compatriot Yuri Gagarin very surprised the consumer society when he flew into space. At one point it turned out that the country living on the cards and had not yet departed from the war took and surpassed all the others in the scientific plan. However, we consider ourselves to be nikal and do not admit that the DPRK can prepare surprises. At one time, the USSR did this thanks to the spirit of the population and ideology, today the most powerful concentration of such human resources is the DPRK. In cooperation with China and Iran.
                If you look not superficially and do not pay attention to the lies of the media about hunger and cannibalism, they also write about us there. That is one indisputable fact in favor of the likelihood of war.
                More specifically, we are talking about the upcoming battle between the two titans, which is inevitable. In a year, China will catch up with the United States in terms of GDP, and in prana it will surpass the development of industry. And since in the modern world the economy determines being, then the leader must change. But no one ever falls out of the first places "for the good", there is always some kind of battle stage when the new "leader" challenges the old and conquers it.
                For the final takeover of leadership, China needs to inflict a mortal wound on American hegemony. And the basis of US power is military-political dominance, already followed by economic intervention.
                If the DPRK, with the support of the United States, inflicts irreparable damage on the ROK and Japan, this will destroy the aura of the myth about America's defender. Then all the states of the Asia-Pacific region will throw off burdensome cooperation with the United States and reorient themselves to a new leader. China will gain living space and eliminate the counterbalances that the United States is building to its development. After gaining security and control in the most important region for itself, China will focus on economic development and easily "finish off" the United States. China is not interested in building up the US military power in this region and will not wait for the US to complete its coalition, you need to beat the enemy when he is weak. And America today is weak both economically and ideologically.
                1. mark1
                  mark1 April 5 2013 18: 33
                  +1
                  Yes, the letters are understandable, only about Russia not a word from these letters does not add up. And what kind of super duper satellites with nuclear reactors and other cunning tricks for an international orbital group? Well, I didn’t argue, several satellites with a radioisotope battery in the 70s and 80s, well, one fell to Canada ... And that’s it! We do not start them anymore. We do not have anti-satellite weapons in orbits (I do not exclude that you know much more). So, my friend, here you suffered a little ...
                  And what does the Russian orbital group (some 50 unfortunate satellites, I hope without GLONASS) and North Korean attempts to scare America? We do not work together, they themselves with a mustache.
                  And honestly, I have the opinion that, dear, you are trolling for the glory of the Tan, and your competence is not high and therefore you learn something from non-science fiction literature
        2. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ April 5 2013 02: 01
          0
          Quote: Beck
          This dictator Eun is building up tension. All of them are inadequate which have unlimited power. The Ayatollahs of Iran also want nuclear weapons, the patriots assent to them, if only the amers hiccuped. Well, they will have, with the blessings of the Urashniks, the ayatollahs with the atomic bomb. And that will be?

          Doesn't Obama or Cameron have absolute power? And the corporate circles behind them? They do what they want. Only, unlike small states, these ghouls both lay down on the UN from their bell tower and on their population, just the screen of "democracy" seems to shift the responsibility onto the citizens themselves.
          Iran will receive a nuclear baton and will crave for Israel and Qatar. This will change a lot, including for Russia and Eurasia.
          Like the Taliban, the Kibinians may also have Yao and carriers. It has already passed ...
          1. Beck
            Beck April 5 2013 09: 20
            -2
            Quote: Gluxar_
            Iran will receive a nuclear baton and will crave for Israel and Qatar. This will change a lot, including for Russia and Eurasia. Just like the Taliban and the Kibinans, Yao and carriers may appear. This has already passed ..


            And why do you think that it is in Israel and Qatar? For dictators, everything goes no from logic and rationality, but from what foot he got up and whether there was diarrhea in the morning. In addition, Israel and Qatar are not the main Satans, therefore not the first goals.

            The chief Satan, according to the ayatollah. Big Satan is the USA. Russia is the small Satan. It is necessary to slaughter first the big Satan, then the small one.

            Iranian missiles will not reach the United States for another 50 years. Therefore, they will begin with the small Satan. Because it is close at hand, the whole south of Russia is within reach. That's when they kill the small Satan, then the turn will reach Israel with Qatar.
            1. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 5 2013 12: 14
              +1
              Quote: Beck
              And why do you think that it is in Israel and Qatar? For dictators, everything goes no from logic and rationality, but from what foot he got up and whether there was diarrhea in the morning. In addition, Israel and Qatar are not the main Satans, therefore not the first goals. The main Satans, according to the ayatollah. Big Satan is the USA. Russia is the small Satan. First it is necessary to slaughter the first large Satan, then the small one. Iranian missiles will not reach the territory of the United States for another 50 years. Therefore, they will begin with the small Satan. Because it is close at hand, the whole south of Russia is within reach. That's when they kill the small Satan, then the turn will reach Israel with Qatar.

              Well, for example, I think so because the Iranian leadership itself voices such plans. Why should I come up with something if the head of the country speaks for itself?
              What dictators are insane? where did you get this? This is a lie and a zombie from the Western media. Hitler made stupid decisions? Saddam? Gaddafi? Who is generally considered a dictator and what is it? This is another myth and brand, all who did not immediately fall under us as dictators, because we are a democracy created by God and all other democracies dream of serving us, and whoever does not dream is not a whore, that dictator, because there is no other democracy besides ours ... This is the position. Give at least one example of a stupid decision of the "dictators" and try to comprehend it on the scale of the geopolitical pattern of that time. You will be very surprised at your discoveries.

              Regarding Iran, it has two installations. This is the destruction of the Zionist threat, which is truly a threat and the unification of the Arab world under a single leadership. To achieve the first goal, he needs to carbonize a small piece of land in Palestine, and to achieve the second he needs to destroy the economic potential of the Sunnis, who sold themselves to the Ango-Saxons. Two goals - the solution to two critical problems.
              1. Beck
                Beck April 5 2013 12: 54
                -1
                Quote: Gluxar_
                Who is being recorded as a dictator, and what is it?


                Dictators are all who have come to power in an illegitimate way. Not through the will of the people voiced in the elections, but through a military coup and weighed down by the transfer of this power by inheritance.

                Quote: Gluxar_
                Did Hitler make stupid decisions?


                Sure. When the British intelligence services prepared an assassination attempt on Hitler, they reported to the government. At a government meeting, it was decided to cancel the attempt. Since Hitler’s strategic mistakes will do more good.

                Here's an offhand Hitler decision made from the wrong foot or from diarrhea.

                Why it was necessary to attack the USSR completely without dealing with England. And Germany got two fronts from such a decision, instead of one.
                Churchill asked Roosevelt to enter the war with Germany in 1940. Roosevelt, sympathizing with England, could not do this. Since after 1 MV, the US Congress banned the use of American troops outside the United States. After Pearl Harbor, somewhere on December 9, 1941, Hitler himself declared war on the United States and thereby untied Roosevelt. That is why it was with our own hands to make ourselves the strongest enemy in the US economy.
                In 1941-1944. Germany fought on two broad fronts. Both there and there were not enough troops. So why was Hitler keeping troops in Norway, in Greece, in Tunisia, in the Balkans, in Crete.
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ April 5 2013 23: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: Beck
                  Dictators are all who have come to power in an illegitimate way. Not through the will of the people voiced in the elections, but through a military coup and weighed down by the transfer of this power by inheritance.

                  That is, Bush, the youngest dictator since 2004? Then his receiver in the form of a black guy is also a dictator? The dictators were the Roman emperors in the last years of the republic. And today, a dictator is a person who is not approved by the State Department. We do not need such criteria. Miserable window dressing as in the USA does not roll in other countries, only there people can be led on tele-democracy. Hence the current results in the economy.
                  Quote: Beck
                  Sure. When the British intelligence services prepared an assassination attempt on Hitler, they reported to the government. At a government meeting, it was decided to cancel the attempt. Since Hitler’s strategic mistakes will be more useful. Here’s a hint that Hitler’s decisions were taken from the wrong foot or from diarrhea. Why, it was necessary to attack the USSR without finally dealing with England. And Germany got two fronts from such a decision, instead of one. Churchill asked Roosevelt to enter the war with Germany in 1940. Roosevelt, sympathizing with England, could not do this. Since after 1 MV, the US Congress banned the use of American troops outside the United States. After Pearl Harbor, somewhere on December 9, 1941, Hitler himself declared war on the United States and thereby unleashed Roosevelt's hands. That is why it was with their own hands to make one of the strongest opponents in the economy of the USA, in 1941-1944. Germany fought on two broad fronts. Both there and there were not enough troops. So why was Hitler keeping troops in Norway, in Greece, in Tunisia, in the Balkans, in Crete.

                  This is another contrived myth about the brave Angosaxians that Hitler was on guard hunting. Hitler was attacked by people from his entourage, realizing that he was leading his nation to collapse, but this was after the USSR broke the ridge of the beast. Until the 43rd year, his decisions were more than effective.

                  About the history. The USA helped England with supplies and ships from the first days of the war. The United States fought with Germany at sea already in the 40th, there were long-distance campaigns of the Wehrmacht's underwater flocks, right up to American territories. The entry of the United States "officially" into the war did not greatly complicate the position of Germany. Hitler was ordered to attack the USSR by his sponsors and creators, who lived peacefully in the United States. It was impossible to delay the attack, since the USSR was actively rearming itself. All the countries of Europe were surrendered to the Nazis without much fighting precisely for a joint strike against the USSR.
                  So circumstances, and not personal initiative, forced adolfik to lay his people on the altar.

                  The same is true with many other historical figures who are now called dictators. Real dictators sit in the USA and make a fool of people with two carrots in different packaging, one with an elephant and the other with a donkey.
                  1. Beck
                    Beck April 6 2013 10: 12
                    0
                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    That is, Bush, the youngest dictator since 2004? Then his receiver in the form of a black guy is also a dictator?


                    You either do not read carefully or do not compare. Dictators who came to power by force. In the US, elections are being held and this is called legitimacy. There were no elections in Iraq, Syria.

                    Quote: Gluxar_
                    This is another contrived myth about the brave Angosaxians that Hitler was on guard hunting. Hitler was attacked by people from his entourage


                    No, you either distort or simply ignore. I did not write that the British committed an attempt. I wrote that they prepared it. And this is not a bluff.

                    I don’t even want to discuss your further writings. Hooray-patriotic, unjustified pressure. I will recall and search here for documents, dates, facts to answer. And they will say to me unfoundedly - a bluff. On a fig to lose time.

                    For your joy, communicate with your own kind. There will be much joy from the coincidence of positions, unanimous approval, but there will be no benefit from communication.
            2. mark1
              mark1 April 5 2013 18: 14
              0
              And I think they will start with shaitan and evil, that is, from Israel and Qatar
      2. танк
        танк April 4 2013 11: 46
        -1
        And do you know that while inadequate Eun missiles are targeting everyone in a row, South Korea helps (gum. help) the inhabitants of North Korea swollen from hunger ???
        It is time for the DPRK to think about its people, they are 100 years behind the South in development. The country is going nowhere and this can be seen.
        1. Batman
          Batman April 4 2013 13: 56
          +2
          It is time for the DPRK to think about its people, they are 100 years behind the South in development. The country is going nowhere and this can be seen.


          Well, yes, do you know about the DPRK sanctions? that enterprises from the United States are being brought into South Korea, and the DPRK is limited in everything.

          Try to lock yourself in the apartment and live. Try to create your own bed. And when you make a pistol at home, a neighbor with a machine gun will say: "You cannot create a pistol." etc. in the same vein ...
          1. танк
            танк April 4 2013 14: 54
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            Kim Jong-un are you chtoli ???
            Russia is also not enthusiastic about the fact that the DPRK, with their inadequate leader, has nuclear weapons, but how else to influence it. As far as I know, we supported the latest sanctions on them !!!
            Do you imagine if they crash nuclear weapons in the USA, what will happen ???
            1. mark1
              mark1 April 4 2013 22: 43
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              And you yourself believe in it - what are they craving? It’s one thing to put a satellite with songs into orbit and the grass doesn’t grow there, let it tumble as it wants, it’s another thing to bring the warhead to its maximum range, so that it doesn’t burn out during descent (well, of course it would work). We didn’t succeed right away, and even Koreans would not succeed without full-time mining.
            2. Gluxar_
              Gluxar_ April 5 2013 02: 14
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              Quote: tank
              Do you imagine if they crash nuclear weapons in the USA, what will happen ???

              If it blows around the United States, then the United States will disappear in five years in a civil war for basic human benefits like water and ordinary GMO food "poisoned by shale gas producers".
              1. танк
                танк April 5 2013 10: 04
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                It will be with Korea, and the United States will hit their rocket without any problems !!!
                1. Gluxar_
                  Gluxar_ April 5 2013 11: 44
                  +1
                  Of course, they will be hit if it flies to their continent and if their missile defense works. Nobody knows the real effectiveness. It’s one thing to shoot down your own rocket or satellite, whose telemetry is well known, or even the radio emission dacha is built-in. And it’s completely different to destroy an enemy rocket that doesn’t really want to.
                  As for the American bases near the DPRK, there may not be enough time for Bigmac to eat and drink Cola.
        2. M. Peter
          M. Peter April 7 2013 15: 18
          +1
          Quote: tank
          Do you know that while inadequate Eun missiles are targeting everyone in a row, South Korea helps North Korean people who are swollen from hunger ??? North Korea would have to think about its people, they are 100 years behind development from the South. The country is to nowhere and it can be seen.

          And you know that when there was socialism, the DPRK flourished, it had trade, and South Korea was far from it.
          Do you know that in South Korea the dictator ruled and that until recently, she was by no means a democratic state? And that the aunt elected there is the daughter of a South Korean dictator does not bother anyone, everyone sees the illegitimacy only in the DPRK. People you zvizdets surprise me ...
  4. Vtel
    Vtel April 4 2013 10: 59
    -1
    According to unofficial information, Kim Jong-un studied in Switzerland ... well, he probably received the call sign "Slim" there and was sent to NATO-friendly North Korea to continue the "Shoe" policy and "Prosperity" of the poor Korean people, which is it's a pity!
  5. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 4 2013 12: 48
    +5
    If we do not discuss the next hereditary dictator Kim the third, but move on to technology, we see the following.
    Even a submarine of the second world, going on electric motors at low speed, has every chance to approach the range of launching torpedoes to any modern warship.
    By comparison (hypothetically, of course), even the most surface ship of the WWII could not approach the range of an artillery shot to any missile (even small) ship, being discovered and hit for several tens of kilometers.
    A submarine, even outdated, is a very serious weapon.
    1. Waterfall
      Waterfall April 4 2013 15: 01
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      Quote: Ilyukha
      Even a submarine of the second world, going on electric motors at low speed, has every chance to approach the range of launching torpedoes to any modern warship.

      A modern GAS (say SQQ-89 (v) 15 with MFTA) is guaranteed to rake everything that does not lie on the ground at a distance of at least 25-30 km with the most worthless hydrology. In deep water, the SQS-26 in the 70s maintained reliable contact with the DPS at a distance of over 18 km.
      Quote: Ilyukha
      even the most surface ship of the WWII could not reach the range of an artillery shot to any missile (even small) ship, being discovered and hit for several tens of kilometers.

      By your analogy, let's turn off the radar?
  6. T-73
    T-73 April 4 2013 13: 13
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    with the adequacy of the problem with Comrade It’s obvious, studying in geyrops didn’t work either, in taverns (by the way, for people's money) what can you learn? and now it’s driving the country — it’s clear that it’s not worth cheap to maintain such an army, of course, they don’t care about the top people, the covenants of leaders — covenants, well, everything has been brought to the point of absurdity, and I think before the end the whole arsenal of nuclear weapons will fly to Amer (albeit from the south Korea can be shared fraternally), only this will make everything worse. IMHO
  7. I think so
    I think so April 4 2013 14: 41
    +4
    "South Korea is still blind" is the genius title of the article, but not the content. She is blind not because she does not have any sonars there, but because her "politicians" do not see how their overseas "friends" carefully lead them to a nuclear release. What kind of submarines? What locators are there? All this is so small that it is ridiculous to discuss. The main one is nuclear weapons and this is not a joke. Why would the United States "substitute" its "ally"? So everything is very transparent here! The USA now has a bunch of problems in the economy, and South Korea is their natural COMPETITOR. Now Samsung is very seriously strangling amers in consumer electronics ... and if it is burned to ashes by itself, only for joy, the number of employees will increase ... Under the "noise" of an unprecedented nuclear attack, they (the United States) can collapse their dollar and write off their debts ... it has already happened when "the war will write off everything" ... Then, when, let's say, Seoul burns down, pin.dos will immediately use their own nuclear and simple "protecting" an ally. As a result, the DPRK ceases to exist - another plus for the Amer. Further credits for the "restoration" of what was destroyed by the "barbaric rezhYm" - another plus for the United States. As we can see, only the United States is interested in this war. They will get ALL the benefits. That is why the South Korean authorities are "blind", and how can you be such fools? It's THEIR life and safety at stake ... Probably they are listening to the "lulling" of the amers - they say, do not be afraid of missile defense, we have planes, etc. we will protect you ... And the fact that the United States just needs it, so that it DOES NOT PROVE to protect these fools and not in the house ...
  8. Ilyukha
    Ilyukha April 4 2013 20: 23
    +1
    []
    A modern GAS (say SQQ-89 (v) 15 with MFTA) is guaranteed to rake everything that does not lie on the ground at a distance of at least 25-30 km with the most worthless hydrology. In deep water, the SQS-26 in the 70s maintained reliable contact with the DPS at a distance of over 18 km.

    No need to believe advertising. Hydrology is still a very obscure science. In shallow water, the impulse of an active HAS is reflected from the bottom in the horizontal direction repeatedly, it is impossible to obtain a reliable picture.
    In passive mode, noise from benthic turbulence. The most reliable way to detect in shallow water is a magnetometer from a helicopter / shallow boat.
    At great depths in the ocean, and with calm, yes, the stations you mentioned can operate at such a range.
  9. Waterfall
    Waterfall April 4 2013 20: 34
    +1
    Quote: Ilyukha
    []
    No need to believe advertising ..

    Indeed, for powerful low-frequency analog GASs of the development of the 60-70s, the problem was especially acute, because To achieve long range in the ocean, powerful low-frequency transmissions of long duration were used, which led to a powerful reverberation noise in shallow water, up to the fact that the GAS receiver was actually blocked (in the AGC circuit) by this interference - i.e. she could not actually find anything. It was necessary to significantly limit the power, the pulse duration, respectively, the range, and under these conditions, these GUS had no advantage over the older high-frequency ones (even at the end of WWII)

    In the 80s, many problems were solved by processing in the new digital HACs, but in the 90s the first bistatic (multi-position) HAS appeared
    1. Ilyukha
      Ilyukha April 4 2013 22: 31
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      Well, whatever one may say, for any technique the most difficult thing is to detect an object -
      a) motionless
      b) small
      In any case, the detection range of a small or medium DEPL is less than that for the detection of our giant nuclear-powered submarine. And the launch range of the torpedoes is the same for everyone.
      Further depends on tactics, on depth, weather conditions.
      The old diesel-electric submarine and the ultra-modern nuclear submarine have exactly the same chances, say, to watch for a target lying on the ground. Or "hovering on the periscope"
      1. Waterfall
        Waterfall April 4 2013 22: 51
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        Quote: Ilyukha
        And the launch range of the torpedoes is the same for everyone.

        The torpedoes are different and the salvo ranges are also different.
        Quote: Ilyukha
        The old diesel-electric submarine and the ultra-modern nuclear submarine have exactly the same chances, say, to watch for a target lying on the ground. Or "hovering on the periscope"

        And attack and hit her?
  10. Marconi41
    Marconi41 April 5 2013 04: 04
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    And with the attack, everything is simple, they will let them come closer and give a move along the stern of the frigate, in the wake trail the actions of the ASG are reduced, and then the antisubmarine will not have enough time to counteract it.