Ukrainian command has redeployed units of the Ukrainian Special Operations Forces to Gornal, trying to hold positions

The Ukrainian command is transferring reserves to the area of ​​the village of Gornal in the Sudzhansky district of the Kursk region, trying to hold this settlement. According to the military from the "North" group of troops, who are conducting an offensive in this area, militants from the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine have appeared in the area of ​​the monastery.

The Russian Armed Forces have entered the vicinity of the village of Gornal, which remains under the control of the Ukrainian Armed Forces for now, and fierce fighting is underway. According to Russian military personnel, the enemy is literally resisting with hands and feet, not intending to retreat. Everything they have is being used, including drones и artillery, just to prevent ours from advancing. Even hexacopters like "Baba Yaga", which due to their size and low speed are used by the enemy only at night, began to fly during the day.

The enemy is actively using drones to worsen logistics and hold back the advance of our troops. They are throwing all their forces into keeping the settlement under their control.

- leads RIA News words of Russian military.

The enemy is trying to bring in reserves in the Gornal area to try to hold their positions, but it is already clear that the enemy will not succeed. The Russian Armed Forces are methodically clearing the outskirts of the village, gradually encircling it. At the same time, Ukrainian special forces soldiers have appeared in the monastery area, having been transferred to this area for reinforcement. However, this did not help much; our forces have already destroyed several assault groups.

Let us recall that the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Kursk Oblast hold only part of the Oleshnya farmstead and the village of Gornal. The enemy has already been driven out of the rest of the territory.

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[THE USSR.]

It is not clear, do they even understand for whom or what they are laying down their lives with such persistence. To destroy themselves for the sake of a drug addict in Kyiv with his tainted brain or money that they are unlikely to see.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

This is a difficult question, I will try to answer: 1) they are intoxicated by Nazi propaganda, like the Germans in 1945; 2) they were promised victory and they did a lot of things on our land; 3) accordingly, they understand that in case of defeat they are facing 20 years of strict regime, and they do not want to go to prison; 4) those mobilized would have surrendered, but... Our artillery does not always give them this chance. 5) in battle there is no place for doubt - either you will kill or you will be killed.
This is in brief.

[novel66]

One thing is unclear - if there are no civilians there, why not use something, after which there will be no one to use arms and legs?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ezekiel 25-17

the mobilized would have surrendered, but...our artillery does not always give them this chance

That too, but there are also foreign detachments.

[Owl23]

Quote: USSR.

It is not clear whether they themselves even understand for whom or what they are laying down their lives with such persistence.

If we are talking about the SSO, then these guys are very well prepared and motivated. However, here is a question: does it seem to me alone that burning the SSO for a "bridgehead" a la Krynki is somehow stupid?

[Arkady007]

If the special forces are sent to hold on to a clearly losing option, the goal is purely temporary and political.

[Owl23]

Quote: Arkady007

the goal is purely temporary, political

Well, that's understandable... here, as an example of a "goal" - one "agitator" wrote to me yesterday:

Quote from lako

... after three years of war, the Russian army drives the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of the Kursk and Belgorod regions...

That's why they send SSO there, so that people can write things like that. IMHO it's a shame, SSO will run out there quickly - they're not Terminators at all, they're made of the same meat and bones. On a patch of ground, under artillery, and not just under it... that's stupid, IMHO.

[bullfight]

We? Them? Suggest? Are you out of your mind?[media=http://]

[Hey]

It is not clear whether they themselves even understand for whom or what they are laying down their lives with such persistence.

And you answer yourself, what can Russia offer Ukraine that its people will say, and definitely better together with Russia. I'll run through the details, the retirement age here is 65, there 63, exchange Kolomoisky for Mikhelson, one Jew for another, or we have free education, health care, apartments, the same loans. Or our prices have been stuck for decades, or they want to lose the visa-free regime like the Crimeans. Maybe you remember about NATO, didn't we ask to join, and they are discussing why Russia can ask but they can't. The SVO is a separate topic. And propaganda cements all this. The USSR (not you, but the state) offered an alternative, that's why many followed it, and today's Russia is not able to do this, that's why things are not going well for it.

[Dart2027]

Quote: MUD

Here the USSR (not you, but the state) offered an alternative, therefore

So where is he now? Can you show me on the map?
A similar request to future minus-voters - answer the above questions.

[Gardamir]

The Soviet Union is not only an ideology, but also a territory. You are glad that Yeltsin took power at the cost of losing Russia's territory.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

The Soviet Union is not only an ideology, but also a territory.

Let's remember - who collected the territory on which the USSR later appeared?

[Gardamir]

Let's remember who collected the territory there,

let's

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

let's

Princes Rurikovich, tsars and emperors Romanov. And how much did Russia grow under the communists? Including Yeltsin and Gorbachev?

[Gardamir]

As I understand in your question, Gorbachev and Yeltsin are important to you. Why don't you mention the communists Putin and Medvedev?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

As I understand it, in your question Gorbachev and Yeltsin are important to you.

So you won’t dispute the fact that the country we live in was not created by communists?

Quote: Gardamir

Why don’t you remember the communists Putin and Medvedev?

And how does this contradict the fact that the country was created over centuries?

Quote: Dart2027

Princes Rurikovich, Tsars and Emperors Romanov

[Gardamir]

You want the answer you want so much that you paint your own reality.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

that you draw your own reality.

So you deny that we live in a country that was created over centuries by those who have never even heard of communism?

[Gardamir]

We live in the same country, which at different periods of its existence was called the Principality of Moscow, the Russian Tsardom, the Russian Empire, the USSR, the Russian Federation.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

We live in the same country, which

Then don't blame everything on the USSR. Not everything was bad, yes, there were achievements, and serious ones, but if you seriously believe that in a hypothetical attempt to build communism 2.0, all our neighbors will immediately want to be in the USSR 2.0, then I will disappoint you - nothing of the sort will happen.

[bullfight]

We live in our country. And you, comrade general, live in a country where they have never heard of communism?

[bullfight]

why, the communists also created. And how many people did you create?

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

why, the communists also created

True. But the key word is "also".

[bullfight]

So you won’t dispute the fact that the country we live in was not created by communists?

Citizen, you won't be able to paint the facades of the country that the communists built, your life won't be enough

[bullfight]

Let's go. 8th century Old Ladoga

[bullfight]

9th century Veliky Novgorod
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[bullfight]

9th century Kyiv
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[bullfight]

Gentlemen. Can I not continue to reproduce the history of the Russian state? It's taking too long.

[bullfight]

So where is he now? Can you show me on the map?
Me. I am ready to answer all questions. You wanted to ask about where the USSR is? You live in it. Until now. Now on the map. The westernmost point of my homeland is Chukotka.

[bullfight]

Do you have any questions for Chukotka?

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

You live in it. Until now.

Really? Well, where exactly is he?

[bullfight]

Comrade General. Your wife has maternity leave. You have leave. There are social guarantees. social payments.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

There are social guarantees and social payments.

Yes, there is. Only there is no USSR.

[bullfight]

You don't have the USSR, Sorry, didn't blow up. From the 12th week your wife will be on maternity leave. You have either a 30 or 40 hour work week. I'm retired. I don't pay taxes. What do I care... ))) You have almost all the preferences of the USSR. Except for soda for 3 kopecks.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

You don't have the USSR,

No. And there won't be. The reason is that people by nature, alas, are not angels. You mentioned Machiavelli, I remember?

Quote: bullfight

In short, Niccolo Machiavelli will explain it better.

In my opinion, his "The Sovereign" is the best book on politics, and there is a wonderful statement in it:

For the distance between how people live and how they should live is so great that one who rejects the reality for the sake of action acts more to the detriment of himself than to the good, because, wishing to profess good in all cases of life, he will inevitably die when faced with a lot of people alien to good.

This is life and we have no other humanity.
And I don’t hate the USSR, I’m just tired of those who like to shove it everywhere.

[bullfight]

This is life and we have no other humanity.
Why, we have another humanity for you. Don't want Niccolo Machiavelli, Get Lao Tzu. Why not.

[bullfight]

Remember, Zhuang Zhou thought he was a butterfly, and then the commissars came and he died.

[bullfight]

This is PELEVIN, don't be offended.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

Why, we have another humanity for you.

If it were in reality, and not in the wishes of idealists, then we would have lived under communism long ago. Well, that is, it could have been called something else, but the essence would have been the same.

[bullfight]

In 5 years you will live under communism. Robots will deliver your groceries. We will defeat Ukraine. Uzbeks will go home.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

Delivery robots will deliver your products. We will defeat Ukraine. Uzbeks will go home.

Perhaps. But nevertheless it will not be communism.

[bullfight]

There was such a funny call in Sumy Oblast. Go for trophies to Kursk Oblast. Civilians of Sumy Oblast ran for trophies. Toilets. there... batteries.
Civilians from Sumy region stole
Milchelovek. What can Russia offer?
The question is not put that way.
What can you offer Russia?

[Gardamir]

There is the Russia of the people, and there is the Russia of officials. Which Russia did you mean?

[bullfight]

No, there is my homeland
This is when you were born and your umbilical cord was buried in the ground. There is your Motherland. (Rodina) /there were few symbols

[Gardamir]

Somewhere here today we were finding out the difference between a country, a state and a Motherland

[bullfight]

A country, it seems to me, is a space for life. I may be wrong.
The state is like a daddy and mommy. . Home. Bow down at their feet. The state.

Motherland. This is how the Cossacks explained it to me.
So you were born and after you the afterbirth was born. It is called the Motherland. It must be buried in the yard. This is the Motherland you will defend.
Well, that's the story.

[Gardamir]

It's all clear, sort of. But everything revolved around the question,

What can you offer Russia?

I asked there which Russia the questioner had in mind? The Russia of General Popov or the Russia of Chubais.

[bullfight]

Popova: And how else, Comrade Generalissimo, and how else, don't even doubt it.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

found out the difference between a country, a state and a homeland

And what is a Motherland without a Country and a State? Then let me ask why those who fought for Hitler were judged as traitors to the Motherland?

[Gardamir]

This is about your question.

What can you offer Russia?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Gardamir

This is about your question.
What can you offer Russia?

Mine?

[bullfight]

No, the Generalissimo asked me. I served under the USSR in Ukraine. In Kharkov and Crimea and Odessa. Air defense forces of the country. Then I served as a doctor for 30 years. I treated people.
Will this answer suit you?

[bullfight]

Once again. Once upon a time your mother gave birth to you. You were a nice boy. Why do you care about the question about Hitler?

[bullfight]

Comrade General, are you out of your mind? Did you really want to find out why you are for Hitler?

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

Did you want to find out why you are for Hitler?

Where? I just want a clear explanation to the question.

Quote: Dart2027

What is a Motherland without a Country and a State?

[bullfight]

Well, yes. I think it happens.

What is a Motherland without a Country and a State?

My homeland, let's say, is the USSR. There is no such country or state, but there is a homeland.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

There is no such country or state, but there is a Motherland.

So where is she? Not in someone's mind, but in the real world?

[bullfight]

Darth, please don't fuck with me. I'm seriously worried about all this #nya. Honestly. I'm just crying. My grandfather fed me honey near Nikolaev in 3,14.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

I'm seriously worried about this whole thing.

I am also absolutely serious. I heard this mantra about the Motherland and the State being different things very often during perestroika. And then from all sorts of foreign agents. But every time they start singing these songs, it always ends with "they were aiming for communism, but ended up in Russia."

[bullfight]

This mantra about the fact that the Motherland and the State are different things
Well, naturally these are different things. My dear. The Motherland is where you will be buried. And the State is who will bury you. The object and the subject. Like a little child.

[Dart2027]

Quote: bullfight

Object and subject.

That is, the homeland of those Germans who were buried on the territory of the USSR is the USSR, and those Russians who were buried on the territory of Germany is Germany?
I think not.

[bullfight]

By the way, my friend, I wrote a report about Machiavelli in 92. )))

[bullfight]

Cossacks say there is a Motherland. This is the Placenta, it is buried in the garden. Cossacks then fight for this Motherland. For their Motherland. There is an umbilical cord, it is called the Fate. A good or a bad fate.

[bullfight]

In short, Niccolo Machiavelli will explain it better.

[begemot20091]

Why the hell do we need an Italian? We love Gayropa so much that we constantly dive into its swamp, either Hegel or Marx... Fourier, Saint-Simon... But I was taught: The state is a political form of social organization on a certain territory, a sovereign form of public authority, possessing an apparatus of management and coercion, to which the entire population of the country is subordinate. Neither in science nor in international law is there a single and generally accepted definition of the concept of "state" So what??? Has something changed? No one said it better than A.V. Suvorov: "Politics is a rotten egg. Where a deer passes, a Russian soldier will pass. Where a deer does not pass, a Russian soldier will still pass."

[rocket757]

Persistence or stubbornness, one way or another... the enemy will be defeated/destroyed.
There will be consequences, it will not be easy to restore peaceful life on our land.
But, everything will be and peace will come, there is no doubt about that.

[Chifka]

Our city authorities once, before Victory Day, in preparation, painted a T-34-85 tank standing on a pedestal in the city center the same (censored) color as the mortar in the photo. Despite the numerous names of those authorities on social networks (censored), it stood for a couple of years. Now at least it has been restored, under the new government.

[Kusja]

Sounds familiar. They also like to paint helmets this color in various auxiliary organizations...

[Chifka]

A question from an amateur: is it necessary to lie down in front of the mortar at the moment of the shot? Is it to catch it if the ejector doesn't work? What is the custom there on the outskirts? I just asked

[ZovSailor]

Victories to our RF Armed Forces in the SVO-CTO.
There are only 200 wild geese and Banderonazis without any captivity.
They came for the lives of Russian people and they must all die on our land.
Death to the Nazi occupiers, Victory will be for the Russian Armed Forces.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Chifka

A question from an amateur: is it necessary to lie down in front of the mortar when it fires? Is it to catch it if the ejector doesn't work? How is it done there on the outskirts? I just asked

Judging by the mine, it's a sixty (60 mm). And the mines don't have a "knockout charge", the entire charge goes off at once. The mine's detonator has an inertial "arming", if the charge doesn't go off as planned, you can get hit "in the pumpkin" with the mine like a baton, there will be no explosion.

[Lemon]

How come the mortar doesn't have a propellant charge? Of course it does. The 82 has a 12-gauge cartridge, the 120 has a larger one.

[novel66]

Well, there is a main charge and additional (bags)

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: USSR.

It is not clear, do they even understand for whom or what they are laying down their lives with such persistence. To destroy themselves for the sake of a drug addict in Kyiv with his tainted brain or money that they are unlikely to see

They are stubborn, like us... and they fight "to the last", like us... well, we have the same roots. And so they will be, in spite of everyone. Not all of them, of course... but enough of them. I studied with them, worked a lot... They added a little Nazism, believed in their own exclusivity, plus natural cunning and an unshakable conviction in natural superiority (Nazism) - and that's it, "we have what we have".

[Serik Bur]

I completely agree with you. I also had a chance to talk. The propaganda of the green beans worked and they believed in their own exclusivity.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Lemon

How come the mortar doesn't have a propellant charge? Of course it does. The 82 has a 12-gauge cartridge, the 120 has a larger one.

This is not a propellant, but a main charge. It really looks like a cartridge from a hunting rifle, gives the 82 mm mine an initial velocity of 70 m/sec and a range at an elevation angle of 45 ° of just under 500 m. Propelling charges are used in grenade launcher charges and other small rockets so that the shooter is not burned by the rocket exhaust.

[Dedrusav]

Only in the photo is a 50 mm mortar, not an 82 mm one.

[Dedrusav]

"The Ukrainian Armed Forces introduced a special course in the training center in the Chernihiv region during the fighting in the Kursk region on the rules of conduct in Russian captivity" (c) I wonder if the Ukrainian Armed Forces Special Operations Forces completed this course?

[kill the fascist]

Strategically, special operations forces taken separately in this war do not decide anything. In this case, it is a temporary "plugging of holes". It has happened more than once in this war - the Banderogeys will resist in some area, ours will increase the pressure and advance in other areas, and later break through in this one too.

[Koschei - from the Wilderness]

The transfer of the Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and their involvement in the battles for the retention of the NP can only be welcomed!
Take my word for it - Russian artillery and drone operators ))) don't give a damn what special forces they are from...
FROM THE MOMENT OF DETECTION - that's it! The game is played by completely different rules and the infantryman has a better chance of surviving than the scout...
It is not always difficult to capture positions, but it is always difficult, in modern conditions, to hold them...
This is where the "swing" comes from... your trench, our trench... and in a circle...
When we were able to gain a foothold, things were a little different...
But to understand the situation, it is advisable to predict the actions of the same Special Operations Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the tactical or operational rear, when knowledge of the Russian language is absolute, there are no problems with the uniform, and the weapons are of the same type...
So LET THEM GO!!!
Well, and one more thing - it's very important! The training of qualified intelligence officers requires, in addition to many factors, TIME! Kyiv has less and less of this time every day...

[A. Evert]

There are just enough mercenaries for the special forces. They pay combat wages and don't cheat on payments.

[Mikhail Sibirsky]

Hammering nails with a microscope is a very smart order. May God grant them more such brilliant commanders.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Dedrusav

Only in the photo is a 50 mm mortar, not an 82 mm

There are no 50 mm mortars now. There are 60 mm Polish ones, at Skakuans.

[Alexey G]

At the same time, Ukrainian special forces troops appeared in the area of ​​the monastery, and were transferred to the area for reinforcement.

This is good, because the GRU special forces have someone to practice on, and our special forces too!

[A. Evert]

They will hold out to the last, because to the south of Gornal is Miropolye, from where the road to Sumy goes.