Got it ... What did the multi-vector nature of Ukraine lead to?

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Got it ... What did the multi-vector nature of Ukraine lead to? Despite the tremendous efforts that the Ukrainian government is spending to enlist the support of both the West and Russia, the country's uncertain position has already begun to annoy not only its neighbors, but also Brussels. And about this the Ukrainian authorities have already put before the fact those and others. At the same time, in words, Ukraine seems to have decided how long ago it was to make a choice: European integration is a priority in the state’s foreign policy.

Nevertheless, despite this, the signing of the Association Agreement with the European Union is still a big question. And the reason is not only the “lack of democracy and the imperfection of the judicial system,” but also Kiev’s desire to find an acceptable format of relations with the member countries of the Customs Union. All this in the end could not but lead to the fact that the country was practically in international diplomatic and political isolation. At least, this is what the report deals with, which was prepared by experts of the Center for System Analysis and Programming (Kiev). According to the authors of the report, something similar could be observed not only during the years of the presidency of V. Yushchenko, but after a year of being in power of V. Yanukovich. At the same time every year the situation becomes more and more complicated, and isolation becomes denser.

Both Russia and the EU no longer consider themselves bound by any diplomatic norms, so most official meetings with the Ukrainian authorities were more like a stern reprimand than a conversation of equal partners, the authors say. Rostislav Ischenko, the director of the Center, is convinced that such a deplorable state of perception of the Ukrainian state in the world was caused primarily by the wrong foreign policy course, which was conducted by the political leadership. Its essence was to make every effort and return to the implementation of the theory of multi-vector. But this is currently not possible. Recall that America considered the Ukrainian multi-vector approach unacceptable for itself at the beginning of a new century. It was then, Ischenko is sure, that measures were taken that led to a change of government (it is worth recalling the scandalously well-known films of Major Melnichenko, the case of journalist G. Gongadze, the Украина Ukraine without Kuchma ’action and the orange revolution that followed). After all these events, Russia also considered that the Ukrainian multi-vector approach could not be beneficial for it.

All this ultimately led to the fact that at present pressure on the Ukrainian government is being carried out from two sides. But the situation is complicated by the fact that the Ukrainian state will not last long without external cash injections. This is evidenced by the director of the Institute of CIS countries in Ukraine V. Kornilov. He is sure that a return to multi-vector policy is impossible, but for some reason this does not occur to those politicians who are pursuing the country's foreign policy. The expert also believes that Ukraine should refuse to integrate with the European Union as soon as possible, because the country's population doesn’t even imagine about the negative consequences for the country on the implementation of the Association agreement (if this comes to that). None of the Ukrainians in detail is not familiar with this document. Meanwhile, the analysts of the Institute analyzed it in detail, and came to the conclusion that this is a program of de-industrialization of the country. The implementation of the program, according to Kornilov, will lead to a humanitarian and social catastrophe. To avoid this, the Ukrainian government has only one way out - to integrate into the Customs Union. And the sooner this is done, the better for the state. Kiev doesn’t have much time, exactly as much as Moscow and Brussels can afford to wait for the change of power in Ukraine. At the same time, the expert notes that both the European Union and America are quite satisfied with this state of affairs, since they are confident that the next time, Russophobes will come to power in Ukraine. The positions of both Yanukovich himself and his party have become very weak lately, and no other political force of the same direction capable of replacing them exists. At the same time, the uncertain position of the Ukrainian authorities is also to the advantage of Russia, because the longer Kiev will refuse to join the Customs Union, the more it will destroy the country's economy. Thus, the political force, which has replaced the current government, will get an inefficient state that is practically on the verge of bankruptcy. Therefore, in the future, Ukraine will not have much choice: either to join the Customs Union, or to plunge into civil war. Moreover, according to Konovalov, after such upheavals, Ukraine simply will not be able to recover as an independent state, so it may well become part of Russia. In addition, the choice in favor of the Eurasian Union can help Viktor Yanukovych to remain in power after the new presidential election of the 2015 of the year.

Some experts go even further in their predictions. They say that, in the end, Russia and the West may well come to the conclusion that Ukraine only hinders the development of their relations, which will further aggravate its isolation. Therefore, it is not at all clear what motives lead them in constant maneuvering between the benefit from the EU and no less benefit from Russia. One thing is clear: none of these motives bears any real benefit either to the political leadership or to the country as a whole.

On the one hand, it is completely obvious that the Ukrainian leadership is trying to prove that it can create problems for its northern neighbor, but at the same time it does not think that achieving such goals is possible only by creating problems for the West. On the other hand, the Ukrainian authorities have already shown that the problem of gas supplies to Europe depends not only on Russia, but also on Ukraine, obviously trying to prove by this that Europe has to reckon with Ukraine to the same extent as it does with Russia. But in practice, Kiev proved only that Ukraine as an independent state is for Europe an extra link in the chain of providing it with blue fuel, another problem.

Thus, the behavior of Ukraine in the international arena, on the one hand, became a kind of catalyst for political elites in search of alternative gas supply routes. On the other hand, these same political elites are beginning to suggest that instead of an independent Ukraine as a buffer between the EU and Russia, it would be better to have common borders ...

At first glance it may seem that there are no special problems with this - you just need to include Ukraine in the EU. But in reality, the European Parliament is not very keen to do this, because such a decision is not a way out. Rather, it is the emergence of a new problem, due to the inconsistency and inadequacy of the Ukrainian political elite. Generally speaking, the behavior of the Ukrainian authorities was perceived by the West as normal as long as he was confident that Kiev would create problems exclusively for Russia. When it turned out that the Ukrainian authorities did not intend to dwell on this, and threatened European comfort (which had become a common regional idea), their attitude towards them changed dramatically.

Therefore, it is possible that in the near future many will begin to wonder: why is an independent Ukraine needed? And then it remains either to create a capable leadership in the country that will know exactly what is best for the state, or joint international control will be established over the Ukrainian state, or the control of certain countries over some historical Ukrainian regions ...

Against the background of the above, the Ukrainian authorities have one way out - to go for integration with Moscow, especially since the majority of the population supports such a course of the country. And it seems to be a matter of getting off the ground. At least, the Ukrainian Prime Minister N. Azarov told 19 in March of this year that the Ukrainian government is negotiating, the purpose of which is to obtain observer status in the Eurasian Union. In addition, the press reported that the working groups of the two countries agreed on the associate membership of Ukraine in the Customs Union. However, D. Medvedev to some extent refuted this information, stating that the Ukrainian representatives like to talk about joining the “three plus one” very much. But in practice, nothing of the kind can happen: observation means observation, full membership means ratification of all necessary documents.

At the same time, experts are confident that Russia will not receive any benefit from Ukraine’s membership in the CU. Neither Russia nor the other members of the Union are interested in granting any preferences to Ukraine. Therefore, if associated membership takes place, it will be purely formal.

According to political analyst Pavel Svetenikov, it is Ukraine that is the key state in terms of creating an integration group in the post-Soviet space. And if in the future there will be an economic or political union between Ukraine, Russia and Belarus, then we can safely talk about the emergence of a large European center, an alternative to the European Union.

Materials used:
http://www.pravda.ru/world/formerussr/ukraine/25-03-2013/1149768-ukrain-0/
http://www.km.ru/world/2013/03/25/vnutripoliticheskaya-situatsiya-na-ukraine/706812-net-ukrainy-net-problem
http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1640288.html
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  1. +44
    April 3 2013 08: 19
    Ukraine is now like Libya from the time of Gaddafi, both ours and yours, but countries are always like girls, they love the bad guys who will definitely use them and leave them.
    1. +1
      April 3 2013 08: 39
      What is the point of pulling Ukraine? Are there any versions?

      "Both Russia and the EU no longer consider themselves bound by any diplomatic norms" - that's where the author took this (about Russia)?
      1. SCS
        SCS
        +40
        April 3 2013 08: 46
        “At the same time, Russia’s uncertain position of the Ukrainian authorities also plays into its hands, because the longer Kiev refuses to join the Customs Union, the more it will destroy the country's economy. Thus, the political force that has replaced the current government will get an ineffective state, which is practically on the verge of bankruptcy. Therefore, in the future, Ukraine will not have much choice: either to join the Customs Union, or plunge into a civil war. "
        ---
        this idea is not clear! Ukraine is called into an alliance on equal terms now with a vibrant economy! according to the author, Russia is sleeping and sees how to grab yourself Ukraine .... fool we must unite voluntarily and together build a bright future and ensure shared security hi !!!!!!!
        1. +36
          April 3 2013 09: 40
          I agree with you on all points and I am sure that not only me, but also 75% of Ukrainians, the question is whether the Ukrainian authorities understand this?
          1. +22
            April 3 2013 13: 05
            Quote: ars_pro
            I agree with you on all points and I am sure that not only me, but also 75% of Ukrainians, the question is whether the Ukrainian authorities understand this?

            The authorities of Ukraine are not organized in the same way as the citizens of Ukraine. Citizens think with what? Correctly, with their heads. And the authorities? No, not even with the place you thought about. The authorities of Ukraine think ... with a wallet. When you enter the TS, their wallet will have to be narrowed down. That's why them a heartpoint is compressed.
            PS Dear moderators, please change my flag to Ukrainian. I am a citizen of Ukraine, Russian by nationality.
            1. sashka
              +3
              April 5 2013 06: 07
              Quote: revnagan
              change my flag to Ukrainian

              Change the "city" in the browser. Everything will be fine.
          2. +8
            April 3 2013 19: 39
            It is unclear how these 75% of Ukrainians at the right time manage to choose those who steer in the wrong direction in the leadership?
            1. Corneli
              +24
              April 3 2013 21: 05
              Quote: Storyteller
              It is unclear how these 75% of Ukrainians at the right time manage to choose those who steer in the wrong direction in the leadership?

              And who to choose?
              1. Julia? - ATP, hi sits where he sits.
              2. Yatsenyuk? - what for this Jew is necessary here
              3. Tyagniboka - think yourself voiced)
              4. Klitschko - it’s better to do boxing ... he writes books there, trains children
              5. Symonenko - who needs "neo-communists"?
              6. So they chose .... a batch of oligarchs, again remembering that with Kuchma it was not so bad (
              1. +3
                April 7 2013 13: 15
                Yeah ... we do not even smell of statesmen ... How to get to the "trough" ... and run to slurp while there is an opportunity ... mentality, probably, such ...
                1. +3
                  April 9 2013 12: 25
                  Do not worry, we, too, are not elected representatives of the country rule))) Only our trough more !!!
            2. +4
              April 8 2013 07: 50
              And how do 86% of us manage to constantly choose the same asshole?
          3. sashka
            0
            April 5 2013 06: 04
            Quote: ars_pro
            the question is do ukrainian authorities understand this

            Well, these 25% of the remaining percentages will tell and show how and where to go ..
          4. +2
            April 8 2013 14: 28
            So that’s the point, and in Europe, it’s sissy, and in the TS, too (oligarchs are there a help and a little poorer) that’s why they jump. Firing remains less and less (at first it’s state mine, then people, now each other, and transit gas). Eh, to shoot through one indiscriminately on the tails-eagle: deputies, the government, oligarchs, in general, the elites, the rest would have thought.
            1. 0
              April 9 2013 12: 27
              duck their children have grown up)))
              1. +1
                April 9 2013 14: 01
                Here it seems to me that the main problem is that a new generation has grown up, purely independent, Ukrainians. For most of them, Russia is the name of a neighboring state, not a common homeland. And with each generation the chance for our unification will melt.
                And secondly, we often nod towards Ukrainian politicians (quite deservedly IMHO), but the behavior of our politicians and oligarchs is often perplexing, as if people forgot that there is also a carrot besides the whip, especially to the fraternal people. (Bender is not account, this only AKM))))))
                1. 0
                  April 10 2013 18: 12
                  No, the carrot is not allowed now, otherwise the hesitation "here or there" will follow, but now they have pressed it so that it is time to determine, no, the carrot is not allowed now ...
                  And about the generation ... remember the FRG and the GDR ...
        2. 0
          April 7 2013 19: 26
          I agree with you, but for some reason I am already allergic to phrases like "bright future". She was fed too much, and the "future" remained the future.
      2. +9
        April 3 2013 09: 09
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        What is the point of pulling Ukraine? Are there any versions?

        "Both Russia and the EU no longer consider themselves bound by any diplomatic norms" - that's where the author took this (about Russia)?

        I think there are more politicians here, they are looking for benefits for themselves in the first place, who will give more, with those and friends, people are in last place. Alas.
        1. +4
          April 3 2013 10: 10
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          more politicians are looking for benefits for themselves in the first place, whoever gives more will be friends with those

          The problem of these big Ukrainian politicians is that they do not want to understand in any way that no one is going to give just like that. It's like a gamer: "Well, I must be lucky someday! ..."
        2. gladiatorakz
          +9
          April 3 2013 10: 18
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          I think there are more politicians here, they are looking for benefits for themselves in the first place, who will give more, with those and friends, people are in last place. Alas.

          Exactly the same situation in Russia.
          1. +4
            April 3 2013 16: 03
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Exactly the same situation in Russia.

            Of course, the family is not without a freak. Especially in such an apparatus.
      3. to water
        +13
        April 3 2013 09: 55
        Yes, already tired of how ... a ram in an ice hole dangles from one edge to another. Do they really not understand that the conditions of the European Union are a regression of the state and a degradation of society, no one will grow their competitors in the market? A great example is the Baltic states.
      4. +3
        April 3 2013 20: 00
        From the fact that already openly on TV there were reports ("Saturday Vesti" on the "Russia" channel), in which the presenter Brilev scolded Yanukovych in such a way, it is clearly evident that the "Fas" command was given to let the Ukrainian leadership know - Russia cannot wait any longer. Either now or never.
        1. vyatom
          +1
          April 5 2013 13: 15
          Quote: starshina78
          the fact that already openly on TV there were reports ("Saturday Vesti" on the channel "Russia"), in which the presenter Brilev scolded Yanukovych so, it is clearly evident that the "Fas" command was given to let the Ukrainian leadership know a sign - Russia can't wait any longer. Either now or never.


          Yanukovych gives the impression of a somewhat narrow-minded person. Neither fish nor fowl. Therefore, Ukraine hangs like an organics in an ice hole.
      5. Hunghuz
        +1
        April 5 2013 16: 28
        hi In Ukraine, there was a normal gas transportation system, but we were left with a gas pipe, without pennies, a demon moss ........ ??? If only to drive into Africa Svidomo, nezalezhnosti and independence ........?
        1. Quiet
          0
          April 7 2013 09: 19
          In Ukraine ???????

          Maybe in Ukraine ?? hi
    2. vadimus
      +6
      April 3 2013 10: 21
      The agony of political power. On two chairs, of course, it’s comfortable to sit, but for the time being. The real owner of the chair will come and .... It's time to decide where it is more convenient to sit ..
      1. Gari
        +41
        April 3 2013 11: 13
        I remember when the Union collapsed, we thought it would be better than anyone in Ukraine, they say the ports on the Black Sea and the Black Sea Shipping Company, with the Azov Shipping Company (AMP) and the Soviet Danube Shipping Company,
        The NMP included 234 freight, passenger and other classes of ships with a total deadweight of 4167 thousand tons, most of which was operational. ChMP ended 1991 with a profit of 270 million rubles and foreign exchange earnings of 788 million dollars.
        and well, they already wrote about the Black Sea Fleet, but how many Armaments
        In the 1991 year, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Ukraine inherited the most powerful military unit in Europe. It included:
        - 4 military armies;
        - 1 tank army;
        - 1 Army Corps;
        - 3 air defense corps;
        - 43 th rocket army;
        - heavy strategic bomber aviation, etc.
        The number of troops of this group was almost 1 million people. The armament of this formation consisted of:
        - tanks - about 9 thousands;
        - armored vehicles - 11 thousand;
        - artillery systems - 18 thousands;
        - airplanes and helicopters - around 3900;
        - intercontinental ballistic missiles with their strategic warheads - 176 missiles;
        - Separately operational tactical and tactical nuclear warheads - 2883 units.
        In addition, strategic military bases and warehouses as an emergency reserve, designed to mobilize 10 (ten!) Million people (i.e. at least 5 (five!) Fronts) in the event of an enemy attack, stored weapons, military equipment, food, ammunition and other military equipment - according to foreign experts - on 89 (eighty-nine!) billions of US dollars.
        working factories, factories, collective farms, state farms
        coal, at the time of the collapse of the USSR (1990-1991), the mineral resource complex of Ukraine provided 23-25% of GDP. With the extraction and use of minerals, 48% of the industrial potential of Ukraine and up to 20% of its labor resources were connected.
        common border with to Europe where is all why it happened so Ukraine now should have been one of the most prosperous and richest countries and our Union and generally global level
        1. ughhh
          +8
          April 3 2013 13: 00
          the girls are good there, I trudge ..
          1. +5
            April 3 2013 17: 24
            Quote: ughhh
            the girls are good there, I trudge ..

            ... the girls are good everywhere .... the women where the shitty come from ...
            Quote: Gari
            thought the best will be in Ukraine

            Ukraine itself is like that girl .....
            1. 0
              April 4 2013 16: 10
              Quote: Chen
              Ukraine itself is like that girl .....

              ... and eat bacon and sit on the "swing"!
        2. +16
          April 3 2013 14: 17
          And I remember very well how the first president of the independent by the name of Kravchuk, with a raunchy smile on his lips, gleaming with glasses, promised to feed Russia with bacon, sugar, butter, meat ... And where is it all? For some reason, at one time, even sugar in Russia was cheaper than in Ukraine ... Why did the country's population decline by several million? The answer on the surface: the damned m-o-s-k-a-l-and are to blame ...
        3. +7
          April 3 2013 16: 01
          but now the Europeans are almost, current z.o.p.a naked
        4. +18
          April 3 2013 22: 18
          Quote: Gari
          Ukraine now should have been one of the most prosperous and richest countries, both our Union and generally global level.

          Probably we inherited the most advanced and unprincipled thieves in the world. Led by the CHIEF DEMAGUS COM PARTY KRAVCHUK! To plunder all this wealth here, one skill is not enough ... Here you need to have talent! The paradox is that ordinary Ukrainians didn’t even get crumbs from this wealth ....
          Although .... you have the same crap in last ...
          1. +7
            April 3 2013 22: 26
            Quote: morpex

            Probably we inherited the most advanced and unprincipled thieves in the world. Led by the CHIEF DEMAGUS COM PARTY KRAVCHUK! To plunder all this wealth here, one skill is not enough ... Here you need to have talent! The paradox is that ordinary Ukrainians didn’t even get crumbs from this wealth ....
            Although .... you have the same crap in last ...

            Do not add, do not diminish. All right, unfortunately
          2. Gari
            +8
            April 3 2013 23: 11
            Quote: morpex
            Probably we inherited the most advanced and unprincipled thieves in the world.

            You do not have to worry, in my opinion, then we all got these, you will not envy anyone colleague
          3. rolik
            +7
            April 3 2013 23: 27
            Quote: morpex
            Although .... you have the same crap in last ..

            You know, we managed to slow down in time .... about the same way about 9 years ago. And the uncontrolled descent of Ukraine into tartarar continues with increasing acceleration.
            1. +6
              April 4 2013 00: 23
              Quote: rolik
              And the uncontrolled descent of Ukraine into tartarar continues with increasing acceleration.

              This is, how to say more precisely, a steep dive, turning into a tailspin ... But judging by the "smart facial expression" of our president, it is controlled!
            2. -4
              April 4 2013 00: 34
              Quote: rolik
              You know, we managed to slow down in time ..

              Yes. There are a little ... We slowed down .. But in my opinion the brake discs are rather weak ..... No offense, but you also have enough problems. And the government decides first of all its own. If you had good brakes, there would have been all sorts of Chubais and Serdyukovs for a long time already ... "No, guys, everything is not so, all are not so guys ..." as Semyonich sang ... And with TS this too, that something is wrong. Something they do not tell us. They don't agree on the main thing ... All the same, Putin makes it for himself, for his own interests ... And then how many people will rip out a piece of pie for themselves. It will not be enough to see our Vitka ... But nothing. How can they bargain. Raven crows ... ...
              1. +2
                April 8 2013 05: 35
                Quote: morpex
                . Somehow bargain. Raven crow .......


                No, do not bargain)). Russia decided on an independent game, i.e. put on its preservation as a state, means victory. Yanyk plays on the other hand - the collapse of both Russia and Ukraine. Therefore - do not bargain)).
                1. 0
                  April 8 2013 06: 34
                  Moreover, Yanyk is not a player, but rather, peek at the map, divert attention ...
          4. 0
            April 8 2013 07: 56
            That's for sure.
        5. rolik
          +4
          April 3 2013 23: 24
          Quote: Gari
          In addition, strategic military bases and warehouses as an emergency reserve, designed to mobilize 10 (ten!) Million people (i.e. at least 5 (five!) Fronts) in the event of an enemy attack, stored weapons, military equipment, food, ammunition and other military equipment - according to foreign experts - on 89 (eighty-nine!) billions of US dollars.

          After reading this information, I remember the film with Cage "The Armory Baron", that's actually the whole explanation of the former power of Ukraine.
          So worthlessly fooling such an inheritance, it is necessary to try.
          1. opkozak
            +5
            April 3 2013 23: 39
            Quote: rolik
            So worthlessly fooling such an inheritance, it is necessary to try.

            Che is mediocre. You probably did not have such a thing in Russia, so that the head of the motor depot rose from rags to riches - to the presidency, a football fan who became famous in the mid-1990s after he replaced Akhatya as president of the Shakhtar football club Bragin, who died as a result of the explosion at the Shakhtar stadium in Donetsk on October 15, 1995 - a superoligarch (26th in the world with $ 24.5 billion, according to Bloomberg, all Russian). Akhmetov rose from 38th to 26th place, again ahead of of all Russian billionaires: the richest of them - the owner of MegaFon Alisher Usmanova - was on the 36th line with a fortune of 19,8 billion dollars.

            And many, many more examples.
            And no one will say nonewhy Kuchma surrendered so easily (without war), and Yushchenko followed him (lasted up to a year).
        6. Quiet
          0
          April 7 2013 09: 40
          - 4 military armies;
          - 1 tank army;
          - 1 Army Corps;
          - 3 air defense corps;
          - 43 th rocket army;
          - heavy strategic bomber aviation, etc.
          The number of troops in this group was almost 1 million


          You forgot that the military personnel from all over the USSR served in this group, this group was financed from the Union budget !!! hi ... And as soon as the USSR collapsed, everyone went home, the cash flow stopped and the budget of Ukraine, when trying to maintain such an amount (even for conservation) of military equipment, could be covered with a copper basin. And to keep 1 mil. a soldier is problematic for her ... I wonder how much Ukraine is now able to mobilize "under the gun"
        7. Quiet
          +4
          April 7 2013 09: 43
          - 4 military armies;
          - 1 tank army;
          - 1 Army Corps;
          - 3 air defense corps;
          - 43 th rocket army;
          - heavy strategic bomber aviation, etc.
          The number of troops in this group was almost 1 million



          You forgot that the military personnel from all over the USSR served in this group, this group was financed from the Union budget !!! hi ... And as soon as the USSR collapsed, everyone went home, the cash flow stopped and the budget of Ukraine, when trying to maintain such an amount (even for conservation) of military equipment, could be covered with a copper basin. And to keep 1 mil. soldiers are problematic for her ... I wonder how much Ukraine is now able to mobilize "under the gun" ???
          1. +2
            April 7 2013 17: 59
            Quote: Quiet
            I wonder how much Ukraine is now able to mobilize "under the gun" ???
            I can't say for sure "in case of mobilization", but in the penultimate spring draft (the last one will be in the fall) - it is planned to recruit 13.900 people, this is for all the Armed Forces + Internal Troops + State Special Transport Service. They will not be drafted into the airborne troops and the Navy - there are contract soldiers. For comparison, in the spring of 2012, 21400 people were drafted.
          2. Ilya Kovalenko
            0
            April 13 2013 07: 08
            Mobilization reserve (approximately) 1 000 000 people + active troops
            184 people + militias 000 people, total 79 people
            If I am not mistaken.
        8. -1
          April 9 2013 12: 30
          I think you need to look at the root and think about where it's all from them)))
    3. +8
      April 3 2013 11: 04
      Nenado confuse the northern coast of the Black Sea with the southern coast of the Arctic Ocean. I agree with water and land in both cases, but there are nuances. Gaddafi did not flirt with the amers, with him Libya was a country. Nobody could use it for which they killed him.
    4. NKVD
      +7
      April 3 2013 11: 15
      You can’t sit on two chairs, the buttocks will be scattered and the ass will crack ....
    5. anton107798
      -15
      April 3 2013 18: 36
      How I like to read Russian articles! It seems to be accused of all mortal sins, but at the end of the article they nevertheless make an innocent appearance and say, all problems should be solved only by reaching out to Moscow!
      And most importantly, there are naive sdes who are sure that it will be so, and more Russians who believe ... it’s ridiculous as it is)))
      I have one friend, from Belgorod himself, who works and lives in Kharkov. Always with foam at the mouth proves how cool it is to live in Russia, but on a polite promise to go there to live .... HOP !!! and the desire to go disappears! And it is not a sad majority of those Ukrainians who write here-such political prostitutes, he writes one thing, but in fact he doesn’t do anything further than scribbling.
      don’t you all think that we are opposed to unification with Europe, but they are simply jamming us and not letting us say a word? At my workplace, the team has about a hundred people, including about a dozen Russians ... the rest are for an alliance with Europe! and so everywhere and everywhere!
      Yes, there is a percentage of people who cannot imagine themselves without Russia ... But they are negligible. compared to those who want to live without joining any unions. Especially youth.
      1. +15
        April 3 2013 19: 02
        Yes, live wherever you want. Do not want to go to Russia, go to Europe. There you are definitely waiting with hugs after Romanians and Bulgarians)). Only then do not be offended: if you join NATO (and do not accept NATO without the EU), then Russia will look through the scope already. And how would you like ?!
        1. opkozak
          -14
          April 3 2013 22: 25
          Quote: illarion
          Yes, live wherever you want.

          Thank you dear Mr. for the generous permission to live at home. Zlata legs kissing our benefactor. savior and lord ...
          1. +8
            April 4 2013 04: 09
            Quote: opkozak
            Thank you dear Mr. for the generous permission to live at home.

            Please! hi Already got nezalezhniki fucking negative When will you finally understand that you want to live the way you want, and ours and yours and the EU and cheap gas will not work for you? Just because we and Europe have completely different interests and letting you live as you want to the detriment of your interests reason Want to geyropu? a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck You’ll find a place in the convoy yourself Only in this case you become for us an ordinary European country with a visa regime and other pleasures Good luck fool
            1. Yen
              Yen
              +4
              April 7 2013 09: 02
              They will follow Europa, they will be another "consumable". The EU has nothing to do with the Ukrainians. They simply liquidate our possible ally, so that Russia alone remains. And we have a common past, a national one, with Ukraine, starting with Great Russia. Only Russians are recognize, and at least some, even a weak kinship, but the Ukrainians are not noticeable. Such a feeling develops that Ukraine is like a six. Nothing personal, I judge by the affairs of their government. But if there is no way to put together an alliance, we must fight, fuck each other. As all this has not bothered everyone who participates in this.
        2. +4
          April 4 2013 00: 39
          Be more tolerant. Indeed, after the collapse of the USSR and the departure of Jews from Ukraine, many received command posts when they were at the feeding trough. Therefore, they are afraid to unite with Russia, but they did not realize that the European Union would have Ukraine and leave only ruins. After all, I can turn the view 180 degrees, what do you say, if I start to argue that the leadership of the Russian Federation is not far-sighted, since it went to the collapse of the country. And gas prices are against ordinary Ukrainians! In how.
          But nothing will come of the Civil War, don’t even dream !!!
          This people suffered so much grief and adversity that it will survive the blue-white and orange and brown.
          Oppose, gentlemen
          1. sergey700
            +1
            April 5 2013 14: 02
            even at the expense of the war, I’m unsure, they will nationalize access to natural resources (because there’s nothing more), you want to say they will give it just like that .. it’s a shame another thing, in the Ukraine-Russia problem, it’s just that the blankets are tugged constructive dialogue..
      2. xan
        +6
        April 3 2013 19: 08
        Quote: anton107798
        Yes, there is a percentage of people who cannot imagine themselves without Russia ... But they are negligible. compared to those who want to live without joining any unions. Especially youth.

        let the youth grow up and figure out how to make money, not grind it with your tongue.
        1. +10
          April 3 2013 20: 42
          Quote: xan
          let the youth grow up and figure out how to make money, not grind it with your tongue.

          The amount of transfers of "migrant workers" to Ukraine exceeded the investments of foreign investors
          The volume of private remittances from abroad to Ukraine in 2012 increased by 7,2%, although its ratio to GDP remained unchanged. Such data was published by the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU)
          As remuneration for Ukrainians working abroad, in 2012, Ukraine received $ 4,6 billion (14,8% more than in 2011). On the contrary, transfers in the form of private transfers decreased by 3% and amounted to $ 2,9 billion.
          More than 70% of transfers were made from seven countries. Russia remained the leader in terms of cash flows to Ukraine ($ 2,3 billion, or 18,2% more compared to the 2011 year).
          In the 2012 year, the CIS countries accounted for 40,1% of the volume of money transfers from abroad. 34,9% of the total volume of money transfers ($ 2,3 billion) came from EU countries, which is 4,7% less than in the previous year.
          From other countries of the world, the largest number of transfers came from the USA and Germany - 9,3% and 6,2%, respectively.
          http://polemika.com.ua/news-114364.html#title
          xxxxxx
          Young people do not read with us and do not work with our heads. But there is something to think about for those who are going to Europe for grandmas!
      3. +21
        April 3 2013 19: 16
        Quote: anton107798
        and on a polite promise to go there to live .... HOP !!! and the desire to go disappears!

        1. Do you think that these people should leave the land that they defended from the Nazis, which they raised after the war, gave their labor, knowledge and skills, so that you now "successfully" live? And now you spit at them and say - "Get out of here!"
        2. "For an alliance with Europe, especially young people" - how are they going to earn their living in "alliance with Europe"? Have they heard about quotas for professions and activities? But you have to obey!
        I feel sorry for you! You are ready to sell your country and your people for European handouts. You and your own mother will sell for the sake of profit and your own "happy life." Only life is a complicated thing, and she teaches such self-confident and arrogant very simply - face on the table! Write it down for yourself, and after 5 years - look at the record of your post and my answer !.
        1. anton107798
          -22
          April 3 2013 19: 40
          mother then what? you are talking nonsense! think with your head
          1. +19
            April 3 2013 20: 44
            Quote: anton107798
            you are talking nonsense! think with your head

            Don't be rude, "baby"! I didn’t drink to broodershaft with you (and, frankly, I would disdain)
            1. rolik
              +1
              April 3 2013 23: 35
              Quote: Egoza
              Don't be rude, "baby

              As for the children, it was noticed correctly))))))) This individual writes with a high calm))))
            2. anton107798
              -11
              April 3 2013 23: 46
              not yet mature enough to call a baby! girl
            3. -7
              April 4 2013 00: 41
              But you won’t fight.
          2. +13
            April 3 2013 21: 19
            Quote: anton107798
            you are talking nonsense!

            You stated nonsense in your post above about your countrymen, calling them political prostitutes. Only you obviously lost the coast, they did not sell the centuries-old values ​​of Slavic unity, but you and those like you sold them. So who are political prostitutes?
            1. 0
              April 4 2013 16: 49
              You all ............, some interjections, in vain you defend Egoza. We’ll see how you sing when they begin to persuade your mothers here on the forum, for this you immediately need to sculpt BAN for life.
              1. 0
                April 8 2013 06: 51
                Quote: Egoza
                ! You are ready to sell your country and your people for European handouts. You and your own mother will sell for the sake of profit and your own "happy life."


                It’s harsh, of course, in relation to Anton ... But they don’t bow MOM)). here it seemed to you)).

                Quote: anton107798
                on a polite promise to go live there .... HOP !!! and the desire to go disappears! And sadly, most of those Ukrainians who write here are such political prostitutes


                It will be abruptly ... promise.
      4. Misantrop
        +26
        April 3 2013 19: 50
        Quote: anton107798
        At my workplace, the team has about a hundred people, including about a dozen Russians ... the rest are for an alliance with Europe!

        Allies, damn it. And they asked in advance, the products Your his enterprises will pass European certification? Or have to close? And what about the allotted quota? Forever such tourism is confused with emigration (as in that joke), and then howl
        1. sincman
          +15
          April 3 2013 23: 09
          Life teaches nothing to the people ... With the same thoughts, their parents, and maybe they themselves, with great hopes for manna from heaven, European-quality repairs and European standards, easily allowed our common great homeland, the USSR, to fall apart. Now, without thinking about the consequences, they rush headlong into a new pool with their heads. At the same time, their eyes refuse to see, and their ears refuse to hear that Europe is no longer what it was before ... Complete moral, economic, political decay is beginning to corrode the once powerful European organism. The obvious division into states of masters and states of slaves does not bother them at all. Does anyone really hope that a dependent Ukraine in Europe will not repeat the fate of Greece or Cyprus ?! Even if Spain, Italy and Portugal are on the brink of bankruptcy. One thing pleases that the population of Ukraine consists not only of short-sighted proto-ukrov who shout at the top of their lungs about independence and are ready to give their imaginary "independence" without a fight and with pleasure to European officials-Satanists. There are also people who are aware of the responsibility for the future of their children ... and who have learned the mistakes of their parents.
          1. +7
            April 3 2013 23: 23
            One of that huge list of the future in the EU is the juvenile justice that Russia is now trying to impose.
        2. anton107798
          -9
          April 3 2013 23: 53
          my enterprise worked with the American company PROKTOR EN GEMBL, with the French when building a new sarcophagus over the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and also built Great Russia which has everything except specialists in building enterprises, in Chelyabinsk gas ducts for the metallurgical enterprise, and we built from SIEMENS VAI. ..so be silent in a rag if you don’t know the aspects!
          But you still find what to answer, because how can I agree!
          1. Misantrop
            +13
            April 4 2013 00: 12
            "RAF", "VEF" - familiar names? Their products were also in demand around the planet. Ask your Baltic friends about the fate of these strong concerns after joining Europe ... ANYONE needs no competitors. Russia - yes, invites builders, but how much has your mighty office built in Europe? They won't even give a contract for the construction of a rural toilet, there are ALL other requirements ... By the way, how does your enterprise with ecology comply with Euro-4? Otherwise, they'll shut the fuck up, according to general requirements ...
            1. anton107798
              -11
              April 4 2013 00: 20
              ha ha ha))))) well could not help but answer? what? only ecology came to mind? Think about it yourself, we worked at the fourth Chernobyl nuclear power unit, with the French, and you ask about the environment? And not Ecology, we protect the building of the sarcophagus? And Siemens carried out the control at our factory, since you think the Germans checked the enterprise for compliance?
              1. Misantrop
                +13
                April 4 2013 00: 36
                Well, tell me, the nuclear scientist, about the sarcophagus, maybe I'll hear something new wassat Although unlikely. You didn’t even understand the question. Not compliance with environmental standards of products, but compliance with very stringent requirements of the production itself (emissions, lighting, noise, etc.). By the way, throughout the country, enterprises that fully fit into these standards can be counted on the fingers of one hand. While Ukraine in itself, this question does not stir anyone, but it’s worth signing the papers ... Take an interest, do not be lazy, which ones changes and in what laws the EU requires Yanukovych. I guarantee - optimism will diminish. And - sharply
                1. Misantrop
                  +1
                  April 4 2013 01: 04
                  What arguments (verbal) ended? And I had no doubt ... wink
                  1. anton107798
                    -9
                    April 4 2013 18: 31
                    Yes, it’s not over, is it just stupid to fight against a wall of misunderstanding?
                    1. +2
                      April 6 2013 19: 36
                      Misunderstandings of what? Your personal well-being? Yes to health! I have seen enough of such representatives of the intelligentsia! I’m fine and let the whole world wait. These teachers, scientists, doctors, all kinds of engineers just amaze me. They sit in their cocoons and think that life was successful. Right grandfather Lenin said that intelligentsia is a nation. Now, after 25 years, it is very clearly visible. Rights was a classic!
              2. +6
                April 4 2013 04: 19
                Quote: anton107798
                And not Ecology, we protect the building of the sarcophagus?

                You protect your life How much from the sarcophagus to the center of Kiev? and you protect the ecology of Europe. If Chernobyl threatened only you and Russia, the French would hell
              3. +7
                April 4 2013 22: 29
                anton107798 yee at a smarter way ?, you are short-lived, you ask who finances the cap for chaes, find out by shares from the states, and while you breathe for the backwater of Russia, especially in the energy sector in all sectors of the economy.
                Belarus and Russian will close the border and all 80% of exports are not present.
                question: where to get the money?
                do you just know why in geyrop and shsha such a high (was) standard of living?
                in a nutshell: after World War II, Europe, Japan and, like, from the 2s, the Israeli dollar were intensively pumped and financed various projects, everything has stopped recently, since it became dangerous to print bucks in a limited amount, they conducted an experiment with the euro and limited replenishment of the euro, as a result:
                the European economy is not self-sufficient, that is, it spends more than it earns (you know, it lives beyond its means) German and French are the most balanced, but not self-sufficient, France without colonies is generally one decline.
                I answer if Ukraine becomes a slave of the United States, its geyropa will have a cruel fuck.
                maybe you doubt that the eureka steers the dollar? and the dollar is also under the global press.
                so I don’t envy you, especially young people who no longer understand who is who.
                Now, if you want to live in a geyrop, so live, who forbids you?
                believe me, there are people who came from European civilization to the deep taiga to Russia and they are people there too, but you yourself don’t know what you want except as I understand a full belly, I’m disappointing the gay people who want a full belly, so you’re dead , do you think that the gay people will feed you and the like-like? No, you will believe them.
                no offense, just could not stand it, after your naive comments.
              4. Shiva83483
                +1
                April 7 2013 23: 51
                Sacophagus say? And for whose money, let me curiosity?
          2. +12
            April 4 2013 10: 22
            Quote: anton107798
            not yet mature enough to call a baby! girl

            Quote: anton107798
            my company worked with the American company PROKTOR EN GEMBL, with the French when building a new sarcophagus over the Chernobyl nuclear power plant

            I am 60 years old, CHILD! And I worked in Chernobyl and saved the children of Kiev, and without any foreign companies. But how proud you are of your work with foreign companies perfectly illustrates your farmer thinking of a real Ukrainian. - "I feel good, but nobody else cares."
            You don't think what will happen to the entire industry of Ukraine when you conclude an Association Agreement with the EU! What will happen to the agricultural sector! What will happen to pensioners and youth, under the conditions put forward! "MOЄ - naigolovnish!"
            Policemen who sold themselves to the Nazis also thought so! You are their worthy followers!
            1. 0
              April 4 2013 10: 53
              Quote: Egoza
              I 60 years


              ................... belay and I thought that 40 with more than feel
              1. +6
                April 4 2013 11: 18
                Quote: Apollon
                and I thought that 40 with more than

                And age depends on the state of mind! laughing And as I promised my cadets, who are now colonels, "I will always be 25 and not one day more!" laughing The truth of life experience and knowledge has been increased, and everything else is true. hi
            2. anton107798
              -12
              April 4 2013 18: 35
              Well voooot)))) finally I waited for this !!! 60-year-old matron called FASCIST !!! But not much time will pass and the new generation will look at you with incomprehension. Because they will not know what the USSR is. But they will remember the gas wars, the encroachments on the Crimea, the washing of dams and much more ...
              1. +5
                April 6 2013 19: 40
                When we washed the dam, we were residents of the Crimea, we wanted only one thing. That would be washed, and then dig Perekop, and fuck, away from Geyukradiny!
            3. Quiet
              +3
              April 7 2013 20: 52
              I am 60 years old, Girl!

              Elena, do not mislead members of the forum !!! A woman after she turned 18 stops aging !!!! hi love
              1. 0
                April 7 2013 21: 01
                Thanks, Quiet!
                1. Quiet
                  0
                  April 7 2013 21: 19
                  Thanks, Quiet!

                  Good luck and less pay attention to those who soon have a second skull on shoulder straps to appear !! laughing love
          3. +2
            April 8 2013 14: 57
            You promote a hammer, "proctor and gambel", instead of natural products, some kind of x ... I’m from which everything is made (and juices, and baby food, and cooking, everything, literally everything, only GMOs. And by the way, what kind of company is that is engaged in the sarcophagus over the Chernobyl nuclear power plant, and food, and metallurgy request
      5. +8
        April 3 2013 20: 01
        How I like to read Russian articles! ----- And who by nationality will you be a Romanian or protoucr?
        1. anton107798
          -6
          April 3 2013 23: 56
          I am Ukrainian! but who are you? the question is of course interesting ... maybe how do you like to dignify yourself there? Great Russian?
          1. +2
            April 4 2013 02: 31
            tell me, dear, for shale gas in the Kharkov region?
          2. +7
            April 4 2013 04: 20
            Quote: anton107798
            I am Ukrainian!

            Judging by the posts you just M ...... with a capital letter wassat
          3. +3
            April 4 2013 17: 49
            I am Ukrainian! but who are you? the question is of course interesting ... maybe how do you like to dignify yourself there? Velikoros? ----------
            yes, no, just RUSSIAN ......., if we lived in one united country then WE would be GREAT RESPONSE !!!
          4. RUSSIA75
            +6
            April 5 2013 16: 22
            Quote: anton107798
            I am Ukrainian! but who are you? the question is of course interesting ... maybe how do you like to dignify yourself there? Great Russian?
          5. +5
            April 6 2013 00: 15
            Ukrainian? This is the same as the Russians, just belonging to the territory. And so we are all brothers, Slavs! And it doesn’t matter where you were born, in Ukraine, in Russia or Belarus. And this permanent srach on hand only the US and the EU
      6. +16
        April 3 2013 21: 44
        Anton, it’s not for you to decide. Where to go and where to live. Everyone has a right to their own opinion. I would also like people like you to go to Poland, for example, or further to the euro zone, but I don’t shout about it. already there, you know what they are doing. Here I know, and the fate of my children is not indifferent to me. Therefore, I would advise you to choose expressions a little more carefully.
        1. 0
          April 3 2013 22: 26
          The European Union, the European Union ..... yes, it is already cracking at the seams ... so they obviously do not need extra ballast belay ballast
        2. +8
          April 3 2013 22: 29
          The European Union, the European Union .... yes, it is already bursting at the seams of your European Union ... so it obviously does not need extra ballast .. belay
        3. anton107798
          -4
          April 4 2013 00: 00
          And I didn’t offer you to go live! And Poland then? Or do you think that I live somewhere in Lviv? then you are mistaken, I am a native Kharkiv resident. for some reason, it was the opinion that only the Western aspire to Europe does not want an alliance with Russia.
        4. 0
          April 4 2013 00: 43
          This is to say the least, or rather politically correct.
      7. tommy1984
        +15
        April 3 2013 22: 23
        How I like to read Russian articles!


        And I "like" to read articles of some Western Ukrainian journalists. For example, Mrs. Russophobic Nana Chernaya writes in the UNIAN newspaper, torn by hatred of Russia, today:

        According to the Kharkov agreements signed in April 2010 by the presidents of Ukraine and Russia Viktor Yanukovych and Dmitry Medvedev, the term of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol was extended from 2017 to 2042. That is, the "occupation" is delayed.


        In other articles, Madame constantly reiterates that they expect and want Ukraine in the EU.

        Without tears, looking at this schizophrenia is completely impossible. But reading is still sometimes interesting: you begin to understand how everything is launched there.

        This clinic can be answered with a quote from The Gallant Soldier Švejk:

        “The priest was a tall, thin old man, in a faded greasy cassock. Out of stinginess, he ate almost nothing. His father raised him in hatred of the Russians, however, this hatred was completely removed after the Russians retreated, when soldiers of the Austrian army came to the village. They ate all the geese and chickens that the Russians did not touch, even though he had shaggy Transbaikal Cossacks.
        When the Hungarians entered Liskovets and took all the honey from the beehives, he hated the Austrian army even more furiously. "

        Welcome to the EU, Madame Black hi
        1. rolik
          +4
          April 3 2013 23: 40
          Quote: tommy1984
          want in the EU.

          Well, about this, it is true)))) There are great connoisseurs of spicy poses. Compared to European love, the Kamasutra will seem Murzilka. Spain, Portugal and some other countries of the European Union have already experienced the joy of European love. But this doesn’t teach some ... unfortunately.
        2. xan
          +2
          April 4 2013 11: 33
          Quote: tommy1984
          "The priest was a tall, thin old man, in a faded greasy cassock. Out of stinginess, he ate almost nothing. His father raised him in hatred of the Russians, but this hatred vanished as if by hand after the retreat of the Russians, when soldiers of the Austrian army came to the village. They ate all the geese. and chickens, which the Russians did not touch, even though he had shaggy Transbaikal Cossacks.
          When the Hungarians entered Liskovets and took all the honey from the beehives, he hated the Austrian army even more furiously. "


          Tommy 1984, thanks for the priest and for the shaggy Transbaikal Cossacks
      8. Axel
        -5
        April 3 2013 22: 42
        And I have a girl friend who worked in Gazprom with a salary of 200000 rubles in the north, 70 km from the Arctic Circle, which also proves how cool it is to live in Russia. But at the same time he already lives in Ukraine and the question is whether you will come back because the apartment is a good job there, politely sends

        A dog runs from Ukraine to Russia. Eyes bulging.
        She is asked why, they say, are you running?
        - Yes, there is nothing to eat. I’ll run to Russia.
        A few days later he flees back to Ukraine. Eyes bulging even more.
        - What this time?
        - Yes, there is also nothing to eat. But in Ukraine you can even bark ...
        1. Misantrop
          +18
          April 3 2013 23: 17
          Quote: Axel
          Yes, there is also nothing to eat. But in Ukraine you can even bark ...
          If there was nothing to eat, she would not have run back ... So now this dog runs to eat in Russia, and then to Ukraine - plenty of munching (including Russia). A familiar dog, recognizable type ... lol
        2. rolik
          +3
          April 3 2013 23: 43
          Quote: Axel
          Axel

          There is another good joke about a Ukrainian - who, if he doesn’t eat everything, at least bites, so that others do not get it. So Ukraine lived like this until recently. Only now it seems to me that soon there will be nothing left to bite
          Sorry((((
      9. rolik
        +4
        April 3 2013 23: 32
        Quote: anton107798
        I have one friend, from Belgorod himself, who works and lives in Kharkov. Always with foam at the mouth proves how cool it is to live in Russia, but on a polite promise to go there to live .... HOP !!! and the desire to go disappears!

        But I’m a man, I probably know a hundred, everything comes from an independent one. And none of them says how cool it is to live in Ukraine and do not seek to go there.
        And to help Ukraine, only really help, really only Russia can. Because as soon as we can help the neighbor who fell into your big ass as your power. Europe and mattresses, first of all, will think about how to take away your last underpants with you, and then force them to work for themselves for free. And try to prove the opposite.
        1. Axel
          -2
          April 4 2013 01: 27
          It’s good for my friend to live in Ukraine; his company is registered in Klaipeda; it produces warehouse equipment; it trades with the EU; it has adopted Lithuanian citizenship, it’s easier to conduct business here (we speak with the tax through the consul); the company’s salary is 500-1000 $
          Yes, and I'm not bad at printing. I work for myself.
          1. Misantrop
            +8
            April 4 2013 11: 27
            Quote: Axel
            Accepted Lithuanian citizenship, it’s easier to do business with us (speaks with the tax through the consul

            Still would. Hiding from the national control over the two borders, why not life? Now his consulate "protects", and then who will do it?

            All this reminds me the most of a child's view of who is good to be. Small children of seaside towns, when asked what they want to become, most often answered: "Vacationers". Compared to the eternally busy parents, the comfortable life of a vacationer seemed like paradise to them. Well, as for how and where these people earn for their vacation, they did not think because of their youth ...
          2. +4
            April 6 2013 19: 47
            What are you drawing here for me? A friend of mine works as the manager of a bank branch. So everything is in chocolate there. A hundred or so acquaintances live in the villages. No work, no salary, no water, no firewood. Forward, to the ideals of Liberastia !! Sala to Ukraine !!
          3. 0
            April 8 2013 14: 25
            and how little is earning?
      10. vyatom
        +3
        April 5 2013 13: 20
        Quote: anton107798
        At my workplace, the team has about a hundred people, including about a dozen Russians ... the rest are for an alliance with Europe! and so everywhere and everywhere!

        Pay for the gas, not steal it like rats. And p ... blow to Europe, we don’t need you.
      11. +3
        April 6 2013 00: 05
        First read what the European Union offers, and then we'll see where you will be more attracted to Europe, where you will have obligations, but you will not have rights, or Russia, in which you will be accepted as brothers. The choice is yours, how and with whom to live.
      12. Shiva83483
        0
        April 7 2013 23: 42
        My dear, history does not tolerate subjunctive moods ... proven more than once ...
      13. 0
        April 9 2013 12: 36
        "This is the speech in the report, which was prepared by experts of the Center for Systems Analysis and Programming (Kiev)." Does this phrase at the beginning of the article say anything?
    6. +6
      April 4 2013 22: 17
      What the fuck are girls? Madame, claiming that she is marrying you, but will run to a neighbor, this is not a girl a long time ago. This creature is called differently, and her potential "husband" is a pimp. And Europe will become a pimp, but the SGA quite agree. But this bl ... is somehow strange! Where did she get the idea that the pimp would pay HER ?! No, the pimp will not be, not for this, he raised her like that.
      In short, in the process of "European integration" Ukraine will face powerful blows, until it loses its pulse. If it is necessary to reduce the dull population tenfold in order to start bringing profit to the owners, this will not stop the Europeans ... Otherwise, they don’t need Ukraine for nothing.
      And Russia has absolutely no need for smart tricks. Therefore, "on the associated membership of Ukraine in the Customs Union" is a Ukrainian glitch. From fat withdrawal ... To be honest, we almost don't need Ukraine's membership in the Union, for the simple reason that this "country" is too prone to betrayal. Something seems to me, our authorities will just wait until some people spit blood from European integration. For a dream and suffering, it's a sin to interfere! Then we will take over the eastern regions. Let the rest enjoy European happiness and beyond!
  2. SCS
    SCS
    +6
    April 3 2013 08: 38
    you can’t sit on two chairs with one ass!
    1. Nesvet Nezar
      -2
      April 3 2013 09: 51
      I hear the word - Ukraine - to cry, I want to beat someone and it becomes funny at the same time.
      1. Mefodiy
        +11
        April 3 2013 10: 25
        Quote: Nesarya Nesvet
        I hear the word - Ukraine - to cry, I want to beat someone and it becomes funny at the same time.

        Maybe you ate something stale th ... And why are you so tuned? Come to the Carpathian region (Morshin, Skhidnitsa, Truskavets), drink some healing water, breathe clean air ... maybe let it go .. wink
        PS It is likely that this will come to you cheaper than yours, in Kislovodsk (and safer (for Russian), the Caucasus all the same)
        1. Gari
          +14
          April 3 2013 11: 16
          [quote = Mefodiy] Maybe you ate something stale th ... And why are you so tuned? Come to the Carpathian region (Morshin, Skhidnitsa, Truskavets), drink some healing water, breathe clean air ... maybe let it go .. [/ quote
          And I would come to the Carpathian region with pleasure all the more I was not, but I heard a lot, poured some water and not only
          Politicians should not be confused with ordinary people, because no one bothers us to communicate and make friends
          1. opkozak
            +8
            April 3 2013 13: 27
            We invite you. You can not only relax, but also buy property at prices much lower than Karlovy Vary or Baden-Baden.
            http://naftusia.com/price/
          2. wk
            +15
            April 3 2013 14: 42
            Quote: Gari
            And I would come to the Carpathian region with pleasure all the more I was not, but I heard a lot, poured some water and not only

            Well, I was in Truskavets 3 times in 84, 86, and 87 years ..... I was still a teenager and I went around many excursions .... Lviv, Drogobych, Borislav ...
            Yes, it’s interesting to recall on one guided tour of the city and the surroundings of Truskovets (the same guide conducted a cheerful peasant always a little under the hood)
            so, here, at the burial of the Red Army soldiers outside the city there were interesting dates ... 1946, 1947, 1948 ..... 1954 .... to the question of the surprised Muscovites and Leningadians why? the guide crumpledly answered "from the wounds" .... in the group of tourists (from Donbas in the main, from Kharkov), the more enlightened on this issue whispered - Bandera it! they are all like that! ...... and in 1987, when the publicity was announced, the guide asked with pathos "how do you call us locals? .... right bandarovtsy" and relished Istria about the local "gala-conductor "(conditionally), which undertook to escort the NKVDs to the Bandera base, and led them into an ambush ...
            the point is that even after the first trip in 1984, I began to understand that the USSR, the friendship of peoples .... and so on, about which they told us at school (Moscow region) - bullshit .... and by the year 87 I had visited in Moldova ..... in short, I understood - the collapse of this state is a matter of time, though I did not expect so fleetingly.
        2. +14
          April 3 2013 12: 08
          Quote: Mefodiy
          in Kislovodsk (and safer (for Russian), the Caucasus all the same)

          Yes, somehow calmly in Kislovodsk, and in Pyatigorsk, and Zheleznovodsk. And the water we have is better than the Carpathian one (I drank it), I’ll go to Chechnya., And oddly enough, I am Russian ...
          1. Gari
            +15
            April 3 2013 12: 15
            Quote: Tersky
            Yes, it’s somehow calm in Kislovodsk, and in Pyatigorsk, and Zheleznovodsk, and better water than the Carpathian

            And I would come to you, but I can invite you to visit us in Dilijan, as in the film ,, Mimino ,,,, water takes the second place in the world
            source monument in Dilijan
            Mkrtchyan, Leonov and Kikabidze
            1. Gari
              +17
              April 3 2013 16: 20
              In addition to water, you can try something stronger
              The cellars of the Brandy Factory ,, Ararat ,,, where an excursion and tasting are held

              Maxim Gorky wrote:

              “It is much easier to climb Mount Ararat than from the basements of Ararat.”
              1. DDR
                +6
                April 3 2013 18: 12
                Cognac Factory ,, Ararat ,,, where an excursion and tasting are held [/ quote]
                Is that from every barrel you have to try? belay
                1. Gari
                  +6
                  April 3 2013 21: 49
                  Quote: DDR
                  Is that from every barrel you have to try?

                  You can try, the main thing is then to get out of the basements
                  1. +3
                    April 3 2013 23: 09
                    [quote = Gari] [quote = RDR] Is that from every barrel you have to try? [/ quote]
                    You can try, the main thing is then to get out of the basements, exactly a month or so in 2-3-4 !!!! laughing
                2. +3
                  April 3 2013 23: 08
                  Quote: DDR
                  Cognac Factory ,, Ararat ,, where an excursion and tasting are held

                  Is that from every barrel you have to try? belay --- keep quiet sadness keep quiet, oh I would try as much as I could !!!! wink drinks Yes good I love Armenian cognac !!!! drinks good Yes
              2. +10
                April 3 2013 21: 27
                Quote: Gari
                In addition to water, you can try something stronger. Cellars of the Brandy Factory ,, Ararat ,,,

                Thank you colleague! This is why it is worth going, I love and appreciate the kind cognac, and you have the most beautiful one. In the days of the USSR it was possible to buy it, though not without difficulties, but now, alas ... there is no it, only counterfeit in stores. So I am content with the Dagestan "Kizlyar", the same is not bad, but your masters of blending are far away ...
                1. Gari
                  +7
                  April 3 2013 21: 59
                  A colleague is not only cognac, but you can also try homemade vodka: mulberry, apricot, grape itself, and still home-made wines - all this is clear by barbecue
                  Well, there is something to see, beautiful places, mountains of the gorge, Lake Sevan, church churches,
                  Welcome to Armenia, no visas required
                2. 0
                  April 3 2013 23: 11
                  no, well, why are we selling normal !!! I especially like ARADIS !!!!! good Yes laughing
          2. 0
            April 3 2013 19: 59
            Yes, in Chechnya now calmer than in Moscow !!!!
        3. +8
          April 3 2013 18: 41
          Quote: Mefodiy
          Come to the Carpathian region (Morshin, Skhidnitsa, Truskavets), have a drink of medicinal water, breathe clean air.


          How fast do we forget?
          1. DimychDV
            +2
            April 4 2013 05: 52
            Much worse for health
            whether in winter, in spring
            near the rivers near Moscow
            to bathe in the war.
            A. Twardowski
        4. -3
          April 4 2013 00: 46
          Have you accidentally played with Nesvet Zarya in more than one sandbox?
    2. gladiatorakz
      +2
      April 3 2013 10: 16
      Quote: SCS
      you can’t sit on two chairs with one ass!

      Can you stand on two legs? Or on one? How to continue assholes? laughing It is ridiculous how often people repeat clever strangers of others.
      1. +10
        April 3 2013 13: 44
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        Quote: SCS
        you can’t sit on two chairs with one ass!

        Can you stand on two legs? Or on one? How to continue assholes? laughing It is ridiculous how often people repeat clever strangers of others.

        It seems that the chairs are not a continuation of the ass request nor extension of legs request . fool
        1. gladiatorakz
          -4
          April 3 2013 21: 44
          Quote: A. Yaga
          It seems that the chairs are neither an extension of the ass, nor an extension of the legs.

          Is Yaga a blonde? laughing Read the comments several times. Should help in understanding.
          1. +6
            April 3 2013 21: 56
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            Quote: A. Yaga
            It seems that the chairs are neither an extension of the ass, nor an extension of the legs.

            Is Yaga a blonde? laughing Read the comments several times. Should help in understanding.

            Judging by the estimates, people still sympathize with blondes! wink
            1. gladiatorakz
              +1
              April 4 2013 10: 06
              Quote: A. Yaga
              Judging by the estimates, people still sympathize with blondes!

              That's right. They don't look at their mental abilities, they are mired in their erotic fantasies, activated by the word "blonde".
              By the way, it’s more suitable for you when you sign up with an emoticon than you would when you beat yourself on the forehead and twist at the temple. laughing
    3. Misantrop
      +3
      April 4 2013 11: 30
      Quote: SCS
      you can’t sit on two chairs with one ass!

      Can. And quite successfully, while the chairs are stable. But when the chairs with grimaces of crises suddenly began to creep in different directions (and the ass managed to stick), it was already much more complicated ... lol
  3. Captain Vrungel
    +19
    April 3 2013 08: 39
    Both the CU and the EU are minor for citizen Yanukovych, and a languid imitation of violent activity is being conducted.
    The main thing is the struggle of the "family" for a win-win presidential election in 2015. The Yuzov mafia has completely seized power in the state and, having its own courts and prosecutors, ignoring the constitution and raising "concepts" into law, emasculate the last island of the opposition in democracy, preparing the territory it has seized for Yanukovych's win-win elections in 2015 with unlimited power. that the family will benefit, or the vehicle, or the EU, or a restricted area.
  4. +12
    April 3 2013 09: 00
    The entry of Ukraine into the CU would be the best and right decision, it is necessary to revive the common territory in the post-Soviet space!
  5. +17
    April 3 2013 09: 01
    The problem is in the Ukrainian oligarchs, and not in Ukraine at all.
    1. +16
      April 3 2013 09: 45
      Quote: Kohl
      The problem is in the Ukrainian oligarchs, and not in Ukraine at all.

      Don’t tell me, yesterday I convinced only one ordinary citizen of the benefits of the TS, provided links and all that. A man from Kazakhstan came and scattered the pros in even more detail, but suddenly a dude flies to the American flag, writes koment in a couple of lines with losses for the Ukrainian budget without links and EVERYTHING! The Ukrainian citizen was completely satisfied with the words about losses, he himself didn’t have any desire to sit in the brain. The man heard that he wanted to hear and all our arguments went unnoticed request
      1. +13
        April 3 2013 09: 55
        I (one), for example, can depict two and three citizens! this time.
        twenty years of unidirectional propaganda - also affected. these are two.
        Chubais not planted, no? these are three.
        1. +12
          April 3 2013 10: 19
          Quote: tarks
          Chubais not planted, no? these are three.

          As in (in) Ukraine Bandera is being transplanted, so we will send Chubais to kitsch ...
          1. opkozak
            +4
            April 3 2013 10: 39
            How to transplant Bandera’s in (in) Ukraine,



            How to transplant 25 million people? Is it something like the one shown in the illustration for the article?
            1. +13
              April 3 2013 10: 51
              Quote: opkozak
              How to transplant 25 million people?

              So many natsik? The forecast population of Ukraine as of January 1, 2013 is 45 million 547 thousand 800 people. Those. in your opinion 54,58% of the population of Ukraine svidomity? Is it not often and thick?
              1. opkozak
                +2
                April 3 2013 23: 28
                Quote: Tersky
                So many natsik? The forecast population of Ukraine as of January 1, 2013 is 45 million 547 thousand 800 people. Those. In your 54,58% of the population of Ukraine Svidomity?

                Mister dear.
                The site is strictly prohibited:
                ...inciting national hatred. This also includes the use of such words and derivatives as: crest, india, Jew, USA, Bulbash, Talaponet, chock, khachik, Azerbaijani, cross-eyed, b, Raska and other similar turns of unnatural speech;
        2. +9
          April 3 2013 10: 25
          Quote: tarks
          I (one), for example, can depict two and three citizens! this time.

          I have one nickname this time!
          Quote: tarks
          twenty years of unidirectional propaganda - also affected. these are two.

          You need to have your own brains - these are two!
          Quote: tarks
          Chubais not planted, no? it's three

          Alas, yes, it's three!
          1. +4
            April 3 2013 10: 56
            You need to have your own brains - these are two!

            You probably do not quite understand the essence of propaganda, which, in fact, is a means of intercourse of the brain.
            And the absolute overwhelming majority of the people "eat" what is most accessible, what is more.
            That is why the law on advertising on mov is introduced.
          2. 0
            April 3 2013 10: 58
            I have one nickname this time!

            Actually, I meant your interlocutors with ukro and pindo flags.
            1. 0
              April 3 2013 11: 49
              Quote: tarks

              Actually, I meant your interlocutors with ukro and pindo flags.

              Then I didn’t get you request
              1. +16
                April 3 2013 18: 05
                Alexander Romanov, Skavron. Good day, everyone! You probably meant me in yesterday’s discussion.
                Based on the economic situation inside the KZ after joining the Customs Union. Then yes, indeed, many products were imitating (many Kazakhstanis talk about this), and when did they get cheaper !? But many forget that there is a global crisis in the yard. And he hits much harder than joining the vehicle. I’ll try to explain.
                There is an outflow of capital from our countries. Getting "long-term money" is almost impossible. Banks give loans only short-term. That is, only for "buy and sell". And for the industry, this is not good.
                I now have one production project (at the end of last year, there was no such production even in Russia). About 30 jobs. But wherever he turns, everyone says: "Great project. Wait." So already 8 months. That is, now is a period of stagnation. But there is no fault of Russia or Kazakhstan or Belarus.
                We in the West want to solve our problems. Cyprus showed it perfectly. And then there will be Italy, Spain, Portugal. This suggests that we need our own currency.
                From what I wrote yesterday, one conclusion can be made - without economic interaction with Russia, Kazakhstan (KZ) will grow very hard. He sat especially hard. households . It has practically bent over - people are fleeing from villages and villages. The CU makes it possible to revive this direction, and the state is ready to subsidize everything, give cheap and long money. They even conducted experiments with drip irrigation, other methods of plowing the land, greenhouses, and seedlings of other crops. KZ from Ukraine, for example, in a rural household. 10-15 years behind, as one agronomist told me.
                I completely agree that Ukraine needs to establish order (legal) at home before entering somewhere. And forcing her to join the vehicle is counterproductive. This should be decided only by the Ukrainians themselves.
                1. Skavron
                  0
                  April 3 2013 20: 54
                  Kasym, welcome.
                  Could not answer your comment yesterday, let's not run around the topic.
                  You wrote a lot of really good and right things a lot yesterday, but I had one question about your examples. But couldn’t this be done without a vehicle?
                  Here is another example.
                  Quote: Kasym
                  He sat especially hard. households

                  Quote: Kasym
                  people flee villages and villages

                  Why is CX not developed? This is a problem for us, first of all, due to incomprehensions with the land at the legislative level. And so, I know a dozen people, so offhand, who are already ready to withdraw money from their accounts and invest in the construction of farms. These will not be mega-huge farms, but they will provide jobs in villages (one or two farms per village, depending on size), they will supply the market with a quality product, and this product can be imported in addition ...
                  1. +5
                    April 3 2013 23: 52
                    Good evening (we have a night), Skavron! Take uranium, for example. Kazatomprom almost begged Russia (I do not remember the name of a similar company in Russia, headed by Kirilenko, the former Prime Minister - he was called "Kinder Surprise", may God forgive me) to cooperate. Documents and memoranda were signed. Yes, zero sense. Eventually, in the early 2000s, the French, Japanese, Canadians came. And when the reserves from the USSR in Russia began to deplete, they thought better of it, somewhere in 2008, Kirilenko said: "We turned to our potential partners, it turned out that everything was busy there (I meant KZ)." The train has left. They had to carry out some kind of fraud, as a result of which Zhakishev (the head of Kazatomprom) went to jail - actually a dark story, since he did a lot (even a new mining method - acid leaching was introduced - cleaner, our know-how). And now a whole package of legislative framework is working between us, a whole committee. You can even decide in court - try not to do it, they will force you. When creating the Customs Union, a huge package of legislative documents was adopted, approved by our parliaments. Figuratively speaking, the rules of the game. Get oil. Oil transportation via CPC (pipeline from the Caspian to the Black Sea). How much we fought over its expansion, we signed a bunch of documents. They began to drive to Azerbaijan by tankers. They caught themselves. Now there is a committee (or commission) which is obliged to resolve these issues.
                    Agriculture . There was no place to sell. Customs excises, quotas, sanitary cordons - a lot of bureaucracy and obstacles. But each country has its own advantages. Kazakhstan (KZ) is the more southern region - sugar beets (in the USSR we had 5 cereal plants), rice, onions, gourds, cotton, durum wheat, fruits, early vegetables, meat, etc. . Delivered to the entire USSR. All this collapsed. Now it all makes sense to revive - there was a PROSPECT, MARKET OF SALES. And our neighbors will be sure that they will not palm off GMOs, you can check at any time. The legislative framework has been working for us for a long time, the land (it can be bought, sold, mortgaged in a bank) has owners. Agricultural machinery leasing works, fuel and lubricants at a price lower than the market to get it - the state helps. Now, as I already wrote, a whole target program is being developed.
                    Something like that . Sincerely, Dauren.
                    1. Skavron
                      0
                      April 4 2013 10: 20
                      Kasym, welcome.
                      Here I am considering your examples, and apart from direct pressure on you from Russia, I see nothing.
                      For the same uranium.
                      That is, you were forced to join the TS in exchange for the fact that they will buy your products. Although you already had partners at that time.
                      According to CX, the same thing
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Customs excises, quotas, sanitary cordons - a lot of bureaucracy and obstacles.
                      And without the vehicle, couldn't it have been solved? As soon as we entered the vehicle, and that's it, there were no overrides at once. The products haven't gotten any worse, have they? No. The sanitary control is probably the same. Has the end price of the product dropped for the consumer? I do not know. But I think not. Conclusion - again "forced".
                      What got in +:
                      Guarantees for a stable sales market on the territory of the vehicle.
                      Turnover funds increase the budget. (This is the "trick" for which everyone is advocating for Ukraine)
                      In the red - harsh conditions on the part of the Customs Union for the economy of Kazakhstan as a whole. And this is the difficulty in finding profitable partners from countries not members of the CU.
                      With uv.
                      1. +3
                        April 4 2013 17: 08
                        Good afternoon, Skavron! I would not make such a conclusion. Because :
                        1. Kazakhstan itself put forward this initiative in 1993 and then voiced it more than once.
                        2. The main thing is the restoration of production and technological chains to obtain the final product with the highest added value and, of course, the maximum benefit for yourself.
                        For example, for the same uranium. The same French, except for raw materials do not need anything. That is, we received minimal profit. And now, according to agreements with Russia (production in Angarsk, by the way, Ukraine was invited, by the way), we claim part of the profit already in the finished product - enriched uranium. Of course, investments are required.
                        Or gas. Well, why build a processing plant of $ 4 billion and spend 5 years (for construction) if it is in Orenburg and, having invested only 2 billion, get it right now. Work places for Russia and for us. Without our gas it will stand. Accordingly, a large profit. Of course it is possible without a vehicle, but now there is a legislative basis and guarantees that the money will not be lost.
                        3. The national interests of Kazakhstan in the territory of the Customs Union are PROTECTED. Our businessmen and the state can buy back the shares of enterprises in which they are interested, not as foreigners, but as their own.
                        That is, the interests are purely economic.
                        Sat down. household, and indeed trade. There are no customs excises, therefore our goods will be cheaper for Russians and Belarusians. And over time, transportation tariffs will be cheaper. Therefore, we will have an advantage over imported goods.
                        Regards, Dauren. drinks
                      2. Skavron
                        0
                        April 5 2013 10: 15
                        Welcome.
                        Dauren, you have voiced very correct things. TS promotes cooperation, but I repeat that it was possible to do without an alliance. Concluding interstate cooperation agreements.
                        And what about Ukraine? Why am I against the country's entry into the CU at this stage.
                        Will explain. Now the situation in the country is awful. It has been divided since 2004 by different groups trying to squeeze each other tidbits. Laws in Ukraine do not work, Parliament does not work, i.e. and new laws are not adopted or even developed. The main plus for Ukraine when entering the vehicle is the price of gas. I will make a reservation right there only if the price is not raised in 1-2 years. Otherwise, there will not be much sense from the vehicle. Gas is the main article of Russian exports to Ukraine.
                        Now Ukrainian goods delivered to Russia are highly profitable; upon joining the CU, anti-dumping agreements will be concluded, i.e. prices will be approximately equal for Ukrainian and Russian counterparts, this is good for agricultural but bad for industrial production of the same machines, wagons, heavy machinery, where Ukrainian enterprises are now winning. So, if we enter the CU, we lose the market losing in price, we don’t enter - we will lose the market due to the introduction of protective sanctions by the CU members. That's why Yanyk asked 3 + 1
                        Enterprises that have purely regional significance in Ukraine and do not import products will face external competition, which before the Customs Union did not exist. They can be modernized and reduced costs, but here again we are faced with wretched Ukrainian laws, try to take the land to expand production, or build something new ... I guarantee 7 circles of hell. (If there is no money for a bribe, or if principal)
                        In general, there are a lot of questions and you can’t answer right away. I read the analytics of a major Ukrainian analyst about the benefits of the TS ... he said a lot of the right things, but he didn’t answer one question ... Why is Ukraine Russia in the TS? Indeed, if we start from all economic analyzes (this analyst in the sense), then Russia seems to be not particularly winning when Ukraine joins ...

                        So at this stage, I am against entry.
                2. rolik
                  +1
                  April 3 2013 23: 49
                  Quote: Kasym
                  Banks give loans only short-term.

                  We have long-term give. A friend launched a plant for the production of modular homes. It is developing normally, a loan is not for 8 months, for several years.
                  1. +2
                    April 4 2013 00: 29
                    Good night, Roman! Glad for your friend! Well done, you will not say anything! There are simply many nuances when obtaining a loan. For example, I do not have enough collateral. An investor with real money is required, at least a third, everything else can be organized. Our "twists" are waiting. The legal framework allows you to create a Free Economy. Zone - customs clearance of raw materials: 0 rate, only registration - nothing there. excise taxes (from 5Do15%), VAT (12%) after the sale of goods, a grace period before the start of production. That's it .
                    Regards, Dauren. hi
        3. rolik
          -1
          April 3 2013 23: 46
          Quote: tarks
          Chubais not planted,

          And Kravchuk with Kui?
      2. Skavron
        +2
        April 3 2013 09: 58
        Mr. Romanov, there was no time to answer a comrade from Kazakhstan (I’ll answer), personally, your arguments are not convincing. Slogans.
        Advantages of the CU to the EU, I know, this is not the most important thing. And most importantly, what you do not want to notice in my comments.
        And this is that Ukraine in its current state should not enter anywhere. She herself needs to restore order, at least in the legislative framework.

        If they do not sign an association with the EU, then I will only cross and put a candle.

        Do you really think that I am against normal relations with Russia? Or do I wish her evil? I just do not want to live in the Russian Empire ... to be friends with Russia - only for.
        1. +10
          April 3 2013 10: 22
          Quote: Skavron
          personally, your arguments are not convincing. Slogans.

          My reasons belay What are you talking about? All that I gave you is the statements of officials-Azarov, the Russian Foreign Ministry, Yanukovych and Putin, with numbers and prices and nothing more.
          Quote: Skavron
          And this is that Ukraine in its current state should not enter anywhere.

          Again, there will be losses for the Ukrainian budget and not small, but you do not want to sit down and count.
          Quote: Skavron
          I just do not want to live in the Russian Empire ... to be friends with Russia - only for.

          What empire, you listen to less of the Natsiks, maybe then you’ll figure out what's what. You had a couple of lines of a dreamer under the US flag yesterday, drew numbers from heaven and that’s enough for you, and the fact that the numbers are completely crap for you, it doesn’t matter .
          Kazakhstan and Belarus became part of the Russian Empire wassat wassat wassat
          1. ytqnhfk
            +6
            April 3 2013 10: 52
            To get what you want, you need to give it up and then you get what you want !!!!!!!!! So we need to give up Ukraine, it is saturated with euro poison, let it go there and at the same time look at the Baltic states and Bulgaria, there are a lot of people TELLING THERE! HOW IT WAS AND HOW IT HAS AFTER ACCESSION TO THE EU!
            1. krisostomus
              -4
              April 3 2013 13: 37
              Well, what does the Baltic countries look worse than Russia in and what exactly? I live in Estonia and somehow I don’t find anything terrible in comparison with Russia. Our salaries and pensions, both average and median, are not inferior to Russian and even slightly higher. In terms of GDP per capita, inflation and many other macro indicators, we are in no way inferior to Russia. The level of government debt from GDP is about the same - about 7%. The price level is also about the same except for gasoline, but in Russia it is also approaching world prices. Previously, Russia could boast about the low cost of utilities, but today they are the same as ours and even higher. But we have practically finished reforming the housing and communal services, and Russia has not even begun to do so. So what is worse with us? And what would integration with the Customs Union give us, especially since both Russia and Estonia are part of the WTO.
              1. +12
                April 3 2013 13: 51
                Estonia territory-45 226 km2, population-1286540persons,
                Moscow region territory-44379km2, population7048084 people
                Do you realize the difference between Estonia and Russia?
                1. wk
                  +1
                  April 3 2013 15: 32
                  Quote: mhpv
                  Estonia territory-45 226 km2, population-1286540 people, Moscow region territory-44379 km2, population 7048084 people Do you realize the difference between Estonia and Russia?
                  well, if so, then Estonia without Tallinn should be considered as far as I remember there are about 600000, i.e. half, and in Moscow about 10 - 12 million ... you can’t exactly count, and the census is very formal







          2. +9
            April 3 2013 10: 54
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            under the flag of the USA, painted numbers from heaven and that’s enough for you,

            Sasha, this is all the trick, and you have a tricolor in nickname ... wink And in pursuit
            1. 0
              April 3 2013 10: 58
              Quote: Tersky
              and you have a tricolor nickname ..

              Exactly, it was necessary under the American wit, maybe then my words became more authoritative laughing
              1. +1
                April 3 2013 11: 24
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                maybe then my words became more authoritative

                Sasha, your opponent simply does not accept elementary truths:
              2. +2
                April 3 2013 11: 26
                ov also has a tricolor. but the star is striped.
              3. +5
                April 3 2013 11: 30
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Exactly, it was necessary under the American wit, maybe then my words became more authoritative

                It is useless, such opponents are far from simple truths:
                “Do not trust what you heard; do not trust traditions as they were handed down from generation to generation; do not trust anything if it is a rumor or majority opinion; do not trust if this is just a record of some old sage; do not trust guesses; do not trust what you think is true, what you are used to; Do not trust the bare authority of your teachers and elders. After observation and analysis, when it is consistent with reason and contributes to the good and benefits of one and everyone, then accept it and live according to it ”Gautama Buddha (400 BC)
            2. Captain Vrungel
              +5
              April 3 2013 11: 33
              And the serf was given WILL
              Delivered the servile share
              O Ukraine, yours forever.
              But virtually ...
              ... in whom there is no love
              To my native country
              The one in exile sometimes
              He considers himself a folk hero.
              Free from the hardships of the motherland.
            3. Felix200970
              +5
              April 3 2013 19: 11
              Plus for the fact that at least someone remembered that T.G. Shevchenko is primarily a Russian artist and poet. And one collection of poems "Kobzar" in Ukrainian is nothing compared to the rest of the work
          3. +6
            April 3 2013 11: 31
            I don’t know whether Kazakhstan entered the Russian Empire or not, but it’s a fact that life in Kazakhstan has risen in price after joining the Customs Union. Before that, the economic laws were their own, "soft", but now most of the Kazakhstani norms were "copied" from Russia, and there all fees and taxes are higher.
        2. +6
          April 3 2013 10: 36
          in general, nobody calls you into the Russian empire. to talk about economic relations in the post-Soviet space, due to the strong integration of Ukrainian and Russian enterprises, etc., and it is more convenient for citizens to communicate with each other. And the political leadership will remain with you, nobody needs it
        3. DmitriRazumov
          +7
          April 3 2013 13: 37
          Quote: Skavron
          Do you really think that I am against normal relations with Russia? Or do I wish her evil? I just do not want to live in the Russian Empire ... to be friends with Russia - only for.

          TS already exists. There are many people from Kazakhstan and from Belarus. Something is not visible that they feel oppressed by Russian imperialism. And what about the Union, Ukraine and Ukrainians lived worse than other nations or Russians? For example, I clearly remember that when I entered the Academy. Mozhaysky (Leningrad) they were given discounts. Children from Ukraine could refuse to write an essay and replace it with a simple dictation. As a result, only on our course there were at least 25% of those received from Ukraine. No one ever discredited officers in the army on the basis of Ukrainian nationality; on the contrary, sometimes Ukrainians achieved posts and ranks somewhat faster than their colleagues. Many of them still successfully serve in the Russian army to this day, received housing and made good careers (Commander of the Air and Space Defense Troops - Major General Alexander Golovko from Kharkov), unlike their brothers, who made a choice towards the Ukrainian army during the collapse Union.
          1. +2
            April 3 2013 13: 56
            In addition to the above:
            "Igor Dmitrievich Sergeev (April 20, 1938, Verkhnee Voroshilovgrad region [USSR]] - November 10, 2006, Moscow, Russia) - Russian statesman and military leader.

            Minister of Defense of Russia (1997 — 2001).

            Assistant to the President of the Russian Federation for Strategic Stability (2001 — 2004).

            The first and only Marshal of the Russian Federation (November 21 1997).

            Hero of the Russian Federation. "
          2. Felix200970
            -3
            April 3 2013 19: 42
            Quote: DmitriRazumov
            For example, I clearly remember that when I entered the Academy. Mozhaysky (Leningrad) they were given discounts. Children from Ukraine could refuse to write an essay and replace it with a simple dictation.

            Not very distinct. This privilege was shared by all graduates of national schools. Who in the certificate the first and second position was occupied by the Russian language and literature, respectively, did not have such a privilege. Yes, only writing is easier than dictation lol
            1. +5
              April 3 2013 20: 49
              Quote: Felix200970
              Yes, only writing is easier than dictation

              You are mistaken, dear! Firstly, for an essay, you need more developed thinking, creativity, And also, any essay can be "hacked to death" by writing "the topic is not fully disclosed." But you can't argue against dictation. You can always check the text. hi
        4. 0
          April 3 2013 20: 35
          And don’t need to enter somewhere else, otherwise it will lose the status of independence laughing
        5. rolik
          +1
          April 3 2013 23: 52
          Quote: Skavron
          She herself needs to restore order, at least in the legislative framework.

          The initiator of restoring order in the zak.base should be power. If the authorities do not need this, accordingly, there will be no order. And for the neck of this power, for starters, the president should be. Ask Yanukovych, does he need this?
          Get an answer, draw conclusions, I want to hope the right ones.
      3. Quit
        -3
        April 3 2013 13: 26
        Alexander Romanov,

        And you, apparently, first look at the flag, then at the shoulder straps, and only after that at the arguments and numbers)))) Well, we are not without flaws))) The most important thing is to explain our position with reason, emotions do not help the case .If you have doubts about the numbers, you can carefully analyze the documents of the CU commission (if you have access to them, of course) and the balances of Gazprom and the consortium in the case of the joint venture. I don’t need to convince anyone, here, on the forum, on the strength of heels people there will be people who can speak with numbers, and not general phrases from the Izvestia newspaper. And it is very naive to think that in Ukraine, the population is well-versed in what the CU or association with the EU is. Preferences are given as well as in any elections in Ukraine, and approximately equal and not the oligarchs here.
        1. +3
          April 3 2013 13: 31
          Quote: Quit

          And you, apparently, first look at the flag

          On the flag, yes, on shoulder straps no.
          Quote: Quit
          If you have doubts about the numbers, you can carefully analyze the documents of the TS commission yourself

          THOSE. You have analyzed and issued a chip, so you think Nazarbayev and Lukoshenko are complete suckers. Only here is the problem, it is strange that Yanukovych does not agree with your figures, but does not deny the benefits. Although I do not exclude that you are more competent. Than Yanukovych, Lukoshenko and Nazarbayev combined. wink
          1. Quit
            0
            April 3 2013 13: 47
            Alexander Romanov,


            I speak the language of numbers, and you bring emotions, thinking that you know well what is in the head of Nazarbayev, Lukashenko or Yanukovych. Think for yourself, look at the numbers and not listen to politicians, they can say anything: they gave a word, a word I took it. And do not fantasize, please, about Yanukovych — he only agrees with himself. In Ukraine, trusting what Yanukovych or Asirov says is equivalent to quoting inscriptions on the fence.
            1. +4
              April 3 2013 14: 16
              Quote: Quit
              I speak the language of numbers with you, but

              What are the numbers? Where did you get these numbers? Where are the documents that you refer to? They wrote not to understand what and where, the documents to which you refer to the studio, only not newspaper articles by yellow magazines, at least official announcements.
              1. Quit
                -4
                April 3 2013 16: 23
                Alexander Romanov,

                I already understood that you are not familiar with the official documents of the CU Commission. Or is it not official enough for you? Everything is detailed there: both regarding the distribution of customs revenues and the distribution of VAT. I don’t waste time chewing and writing sheets here. I will, you need it. Moreover, you operate with links to newspaper notes))), and I suggest you work and think on your own. And, please, if you answer numbers, speak in numbers, I communicate like "what and who in head ", thinking out, conjecturing is not interesting. The figures that I quote are known to any economist who has analyzed the documents of the CU Commission.
                1. +1
                  April 3 2013 17: 05
                  Quote: Quit
                  Or is it not official enough for you?

                  Yes, I don’t know you, your fantastic numbers written from a stormy imagination tell me nothing. Where are the links?
                  Quote: Quit
                  but I suggest you work and think for yourself.

                  So I understood, you yourself sat and thought laughing
                  Quote: Quit
                  . The figures that I quote are known to any economist who has analyzed the documents of the TS commission.

                  I won’t even ask for LINKS; all you have is blah blah blah. There’s nothing to talk about.
                  1. Quit
                    -4
                    April 4 2013 14: 31
                    Alexander Romanov,

                    Yes, I don’t have a clue about you either, therefore, I don’t say how you think in fantasies, but only in numbers. And it makes no difference to me what you think about this, since you have no arguments — pure virtual boltology. If you cannot I’m not going to look at the documents of the Customs Policy Department of the Customs Union Commission of the Customs Union, I’ll not look for you. There’s something to say on the case, say numbers, if not, there’s nothing to talk about. I’ll easily interrupt any of your arguments, because that you are unsubstantiated and do not refer to anything other than the slogans of the leaders. You will first familiarize yourself with documents, and then enter into a serious conversation, rather than into a regular daily booth. I am not interested in a discussion without arguments, I already told you. I don’t like the numbers, bring your own, only qualified, and not from Glazyev’s statement, unsubstantiated. Do not bore with empty answers.
                    1. +1
                      April 4 2013 14: 44
                      Quote: Quit
                      fantasies like you, but only numbers.

                      A link to the studio on your numbers!
                      Quote: Quit
                      you have no arguments - pure virtual boltology

                      All documents on the vehicle at my fingertips, which one do you need? There is a TS vehicle, everything is there, but you would not bring it, otherwise all your numbers would have gone to dust
                      1. Quit
                        -2
                        April 4 2013 14: 55
                        Alexander Romanov,
                        You are a very funny person. I call you in Russian what you need to look at, which department’s documents, or explain to you in Chinese? You don’t have any documents at hand, you haven’t even seen them in your eyes. You will find numbers, analyze, write by I immediately warn you that if you don’t have an economic education, you won’t even understand the budget.
                      2. +1
                        April 4 2013 15: 12
                        Quote: Quit
                        You don’t have any documents at hand, you haven’t even seen them in your eyes

                        La la poplar laughing
                        http://tsouz.ru/db/spec_measures/Pages/def_measures.aspx
                        You can study at your leisure, you are our economist who can’t even confirm his fantastic numbers. All documents on the vehicle are in the public domain, but did not know this wassat
                      3. Quit
                        0
                        April 5 2013 16: 22
                        Alexander Romanov,



                        Unlike you, I don’t spend days in the virtual world — there is a real one and there is something to do. And I have my opinion not on the basis of articles from neta, but from real documents coming from the CU Commission to the Ministry of Economy of Ukraine and the relevant BP committees. Study the reference yourself to find the numbers that I’ve talked about, since la-la is constant only for you. You will find the numbers-cite and we’ll talk about something, and switching to personalities for lack of arguments in the net is called a simple non-Russian word-trolling. Without numbers, the conversation is uninteresting to me and further about Saying without them is pointless, because if you don’t like the numbers, give yours. And so all your arguments come down to the fact that if you didn’t read something in the net (a large garbage pit), it means that you don’t. This is naive, by at least. Show that at least in something you understand, except for trolling.
            2. ksandr45
              0
              April 3 2013 15: 58
              communicate in numbers
              458749-49543-201=3549358451--1454857487510405817450+58975205857-=4375843054581-4
              854-951-5838034958.
              The iron argument.
        2. Valter
          0
          April 3 2013 14: 38
          Kvit: "Preferences are given in the same way as in any elections in Ukraine and are approximately equal and it is not the oligarchs that matter." laughing laughing laughing , of course not in them, they live for themselves with their "honestly earned capital" (especially not on someone else's blood), never interfere in politics, (especially Akhmetov laughing ), and of course, through the media under their control, they do not form the so-called public opinion laughing , it's all fantasy, here the population decides everything laughing laughing , through completely "not rigged elections" laughing , laughing .
          PS
          And all this happens because of the indifference and fear of the population (no longer a people) to lose their eaten bone, thrown to them by the so-called "elite" oligarchs.
          1. Quit
            -4
            April 3 2013 15: 58
            Valter

            No one has been afraid of anything for a long time, it’s just that everyone solves his own problems, and it’s useless to moan what kind of bad power, as well as to think that someone else but us has a problem to solve. - I believe in it, but no good wishes. Everyone sees what he lives in: for you, the population, for me, the people.
            1. 0
              April 3 2013 17: 07
              Quote: Quit
              With the help of us to solve our problems, I believe in it,

              Russia with the help of Ukraine will solve the problems, well, yes, well, yes laughing
            2. Valter
              0
              April 4 2013 00: 48
              Kvit: "For a long time no one is afraid of anything, just everyone solves his own problems, and moaning what bad power is possible, but useless, just like thinking that someone besides us cares about our problems. I believe in solving my problems, but I believe in good wishes. Everyone sees what he lives in: for you, the population, for me, the people. "
              Nobody is afraid of anything in your American dreams laughing , ". Everyone sees what he lives in," I agree with this: you live in America and see your, somewhat different (significantly different from ours) reality,
              http://kp.ua/daily/020413/387142/ скажите мне: вот эти люди смогут решить( настоящие потерпевшие) самостоятельно свои проблемы? Что то, в это слабо верится, но тот, который убил двоих медиков- конечно сможет, вы о говорите о таких людях и конечно же подобные им решают свои проблемы сами( было б удивительно, если бы, они самостоятельно садились в тюрьму, тогда наверное вы бы приехали назад из своей американской мечты laughing ), and I’ll also tell you not a big secret (only you don’t tell anyone laughing laughing ): in certain regions of Ukraine are engaged in slavery:
              http://podrobnosti.ua/podrobnosti/2012/08/17/853096.html, ещё совершенно беззаконная( выбирайте что больше нравится laughing ) judicial, law enforcement (those tortures that are used there, the Gestapo never dreamed of laughing) systems, not a big episode of a valiant full of risk and danger and of course not a simple life of the police http://old.atn.ua/newsread.php?id=35739 Where are the people? Why do people like this get away with it? Oh yes, I forgot: as you said there: "For a long time no one is afraid of anything, it's just that everyone solves his own problems" Dear! laughing Well, again, to the very point laughing : such people (by the way, only about 2 percent of them) solve their problems themselves and nothing, or rather, they have not been afraid of anyone for a long time, because the population here. The people (which, as you say, here somewhere we have) will not tolerate this, our respected population and similar everyday affairs are part of today's life. You know what the People (except for abstruse definitions) are conscious people who understand the following: if today someone was illegally imprisoned, or somehow infringed on their rights (not to mention torture and other lawlessness), then tomorrow this can happen to everyone and only a COLLECTIVE confrontation of the like (not some kind of demonstrations with flags, or other nonsense, but serious decisive actions) will not allow the authorities to do this with people, and when people understand this, they act together (going to the end) - they are called the People.
              1. Quit
                -3
                April 4 2013 14: 20
                Valter

                Who has offended you so much in life that you have such an opinion about your own people? Everyone in life can have difficult periods, but why carry their own negativity from life. Success! And don’t take a bad example, don’t write sheets.
              2. Quit
                0
                April 4 2013 14: 47
                Valter

                What makes you think that I live in America? I am a native Kiev citizen, and I see all the problems every day, I try to solve them whenever possible, since there are some opportunities. Therefore, I say the people, not the population. There is another problem - provincial thinking and low awareness of people not only about what is happening in the country, but also in neighboring regions.
                1. Valter
                  0
                  April 5 2013 21: 10
                  Quit:
                  "Who has offended you so much in your life that you have such an opinion about your own people?"
                  Yes, no one offended me, I'm just a realist.
                  "And do not take a bad example, do not write sheets" As much as I need, as much, and I will write laughing
                  "What makes you think that I live in America?" Well, as long as you have the American flag lit, not the Ukrainian one. Everyone can talk about living in Kiev laughing
                  "..try to solve them whenever possible, since there are some possibilities" It is clear that you do not belong to mere mortals (to those mentioned in the links above)
                  "There is another problem - provincial thinking and low awareness of people not only about what is happening in the country, but also in the neighboring regions." Somewhere within the boundaries of the state of Texas, do you live? laughing So in your country is Obama (Negro) president, even though this is, you know? laughing
                  PS
                  You did not answer the main questions given above, but wrote different scribbles related to your opinion, which was not supported by anything.
        3. ksandr45
          0
          April 3 2013 15: 55
          And all! You, star-striped, for the sins of your government, no longer have faith. Be. hi
  6. +7
    April 3 2013 09: 10
    You will chase after two hares - you will stick a muzzle into a tree. Here the authorities of the Outskirts are scratching their turnips now - they are choosing a tree. And you need a hare.
    Is it going to split the country?
  7. +9
    April 3 2013 09: 22
    Funny all in that! So that now Ukraine and the EU do not do all their combination, the final results are beneficial for Russia. Such a time! smile
    1. avt
      +2
      April 3 2013 09: 35
      Quote: concept1
      Funny all in that! So that now Ukraine and the EU do not do all their combination, the final results are beneficial for Russia. Such a time!

      And here I agree! good Moreover, the main thing is not to yawn by yourself and think less according to Yeltsin’s precepts in the morning what you did for Ukraine. And then this theory is that Ukraine is a river between Russia and Europe and someone who owes them a bridge, preferably a golden one, doesn’t even make laugh and annoy.
      1. +17
        April 3 2013 12: 04
        Quote: avt
        And here I agree!

        Well, not really. As I imagine, before the coming of the orange government, Russia was quite calmly waiting for the development of events in Ukraine and continued economic cooperation in full (taking into account the general collapse). The arrival of the orange government, for which violating its own Ukrainian Constitution was a matter of independent valor and heroism - Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and Yatsenyuk took explicit and secret steps for Ukraine's accession to NATO - led Russia to a natural conclusion - it is necessary to move away from dependence on Ukraine. And this is not only flows with gas or the port of Luga, through which they began to send oil. This is the replacement of all Ukrainian products - both military and civilian. Now such a process is underway. Metallurgists (the industry is the main source of income of Ukraine) have built such a mill that can produce products that were previously bought in Ukraine. Etc. Even such a serious and, most importantly, decent partner like Motor Sich and Boguslaev are building a replacement on the basis of KB Klimov. As far as I remember, the plant should start working in the 15th or 16th year. Therefore, delaying Ukraine is not going to benefit for sure. Because union is not a union, but the corresponding bourgeoisie will not let them into the lost market. And expecting gifts, as in the USSR, when the future KRAZ, etc. was moved from Yaroslavl to Kremenchug, is not worth it. And in Europe, no one needs Ukrainian products, they should be allowed to earn money. I want to live like the Germans or the Swiss, I understand. Just why?

        In Ukraine, regardless of the authorities, Svidomo propaganda is taught at the school (it is propaganda, not education, because education does not smell there). Main thought: mosk Russian is the main enemy of the Ukrainian land. And the further, the more vile. Bandeva openly says that she is waiting for the "scoops" who remember the common past to die out.

        The whole of Western Ukraine without Volhynia - 7 million. Galicia - 5 million (and even those half are on earnings). Transcarpathia and even Chernivtsi are not at all the same as Galicia. The rest of Ukraine fought against Hitler and defeated fascism with us. Now there, not only in Lviv, fascist militants are beating up 90-year-olds on May 9th. They are already threatening the whole of Ukraine, where they want to celebrate the Victory over fascism, for example, the liberation of their city, that they will come to beat the "5th column".

        So I do not understand the motives of Yanukovych. Is he in such a muddy situation hoping to always win? Europe will be the first to throw him out, as if he had not dressed up as a guarantor of European interests. The further you do nothing, the worse for ALL. And, first of all, for Ukraine.
      2. +1
        April 3 2013 17: 33
        Russia then will live without Ukraine, Kazakhstan, etc. The question is whether the rest will live without Russia. They will simply forget that there is such a country, Russia, and will live independently.
  8. General
    +9
    April 3 2013 09: 24
    Ukraine is a good state as its peopleI hope to make the right choice that will be beneficial to them and not to others
  9. radar75
    -15
    April 3 2013 09: 35
    Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle. And we really do something ourselves. By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.
    1. +13
      April 3 2013 09: 48
      Quote: radar75
      You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle.

      Yes, no one is forcing you into anything; you, with your independence, are already tired of everyone. Dance with anyone you want, only then Russia will again be to blame for your troubles.
      Quote: radar75
      By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.

      Your skull on shoulder straps confirms this laughing Hello, Yushchenko, pass on.
      1. +12
        April 3 2013 10: 28
        Quote: radar75
        opinion polls, Ukrainians are better Russians than Russians are Ukrainians.

        the answer is simple - in Russia they organize the torchlight (fecal) processions in honor of the fascist henchmen., do not cancel Victory Day, there are no Yatsenyuk calling for barricades against the damned boys.
        1. Valter
          -2
          April 3 2013 15: 30
          Tersky: "... Victory Day is not canceled ..."
          So, no one has canceled Victory Day here, just not everyone likes it, but the parades are passing. One thing only upsets: When the German ex-soldiers are shown, they do not look very bad, and our veterans are almost gone, and those who are living out their last years in poverty and monuments of the Great Patriotic War (very bloody war for us all) desecrated even in Russia.
      2. gladiatorakz
        -4
        April 3 2013 10: 30
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Yes, no one is forcing you to anything

        ?? laughing
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        you, with your independence, are already tired of everyone

        What irritates you so much about the independence of Ukraine?
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Then again, Russia will be to blame for your troubles.

        Let’s already have your links. Stop talking.

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Your skull on shoulder straps confirms this

        Of course confirmation. Only I would not be happy at all. This is a confirmation that there can be no other point of view. Well, petty revenge. I can understand the disadvantages of insulting someone. But radar75 always writes politely. So the skull on his shoulder straps is a kind of moral indicator of opponents.
        1. +1
          April 3 2013 11: 06
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          ??

          Offers were and are. But but not coercion !!!
          Quote: gladiatorakz

          What irritates you so much about the independence of Ukraine?

          Yes, I only hear about it, and that's why I'm tired of it.
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Let’s already have your links. Stop talking

          Dear, well, do not scoff at me. Yesterday I posted so many of these links, there, too, enjoyed it from Kazakhstan, go to yesterday’s topic and read as much as you want.
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          But radar75 always writes politely.

          You can politely write, but preferably without lies.
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          So the skull on his shoulder straps is a kind of moral indicator of opponents.

          It’s strange that in this case you don’t have a skull, since we are all so immoral what
          1. TRAFFIC
            -1
            April 3 2013 12: 28
            Strange, I went to http://www.stat.kz/, for some reason there is no breakthrough in trading with the TS in statistics, for example
            for January-December 2012 for January-December 2011 Growth rate %

            Foreign trade turnover 136 825,0 124
            CIS countries 34 749,6 31
            other countries 102 075,4 93
            total with CU countries 24 625,5 23
            exports 92 285,6 87
            "CIS countries,
            of which: "12 556,1 12
            Russia 6 747,4 6 998,6 96,4
            Belarus 90,4 104,7 86,3
            total with CU countries 6 837,8 7
            other countries 79 729,5 75
            imports 44 539,4 37
            "CIS countries,
            of which: "22 193,5 18
            Russia 17 111,9 15 332,0 111,6
            Belarus 675,8 593,8 113,8
            total with CU countries 17 787,7 15
            other countries 22 345,9 18
            It can be seen that trade with the CU grew by only 6.9 percent, while exports fell by 3.7%, while imports grew by 11.7%, is this definitely beneficial to Kazakhstan?
            1. 0
              April 3 2013 13: 00
              Quote: TRAFIC
              It can be seen that trade with the CU grew by only 6.9 percent, while exports fell by 3.7%, while imports grew by 11.7%, is this definitely beneficial to Kazakhstan?

              You want it to be fruitful in a couple of months, but it doesn’t.
              1. TRAFFIC
                +1
                April 3 2013 13: 13
                Well, it seems like more than two years have passed, while Belarus has probably won the most from the TS, let's see what happens next.
                1. 0
                  April 3 2013 14: 18
                  Quote: TRAFIC
                  Well, it seems like more than two years have passed, while Belarus probably won the most from the TS

                  What exactly Kazakhstan got and what raped it from yesterday’s article, read the comments of the Kazakhs.
                  1. Skavron
                    0
                    April 3 2013 17: 31
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What exactly Kazakhstan got and what raped it from yesterday’s article, read the comments of the Kazakhs.

                    Judging by yesterday’s link, Kazakhstan hasn’t received it, but SHOULD GET.
                    So ... he still didn’t have anything.
                    1. +1
                      April 4 2013 05: 12
                      Quote: Skavron
                      Judging by yesterday’s link, Kazakhstan hasn’t received it, but SHOULD GET.
                      So ... he still didn’t have anything

                      I see you didn’t read what the guests from Kazakhstan wrote to you. Well, you can listen to Quita, there aren’t any links there one blah blah blah.
                      1. Skavron
                        -1
                        April 4 2013 09: 41
                        I will give you a link in which I indicate that you had breakfast, but you really did not eat, I wonder if you will become less hungry after my link? laughing
                        I don’t suffer from demagogy, I believe my eyes and not links.
                      2. +1
                        April 4 2013 12: 52
                        Quote: Skavron
                        I don’t suffer from demagogy, I believe my eyes and not links.

                        Skavron April 2, 2013 22:54 | Knocking on the EEC, or What will be the borders of the Eurasian Economic Union? 0
                        Quit clarified more clearly than I
                        thank you to him


                        Skavron April 2, 2013 22:52 | Knocking on the EEC, or What will be the borders of the Eurasian Economic Union? 0
                        Quit clarified


                        Without links and precisely with the eyes wink
                      3. Skavron
                        0
                        April 9 2013 10: 40
                        Without links and precisely with the eyes

                        by the way, on your link all oh how not fun)))
                        so thank you too.
                      4. 0
                        April 9 2013 10: 43
                        Quote: Skavron
                        , your link is all oh how not fun)))

                        Only those who don’t want pluses will not be able to find them, and those who can’t count can not see the benefits hi
            2. +8
              April 3 2013 18: 49
              The growth of trade between the countries of the CU:
              2010 - 47 billion
              2011 - 63 billion
              According to the director. department of customs. infrared. Heb. Econ. Commissions of Vladimir Skib: "By the end of the year 2012, the turnover will increase by 42% compared to the end of 2011."
              2010 Export of KZ to Russia by 36%
              2011 Export of KZ to Russia by 26% from 2010; short-term imports from Russia 32%
              The growth of trade between the KZ and Belarus over 2 years is more than 100%.
              Regards, Dauren. hi
    2. 0
      April 3 2013 10: 26
      Quote: radar75
      Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle. And we really do something ourselves. By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.

      you hooked such a cool avatar like that, but you didn’t ask how people in Ukraine felt (relatives with the names Glushko, Protsko, etc.) were on the side of Russia in the war 08.08.08
    3. +3
      April 3 2013 10: 27
      Quote: radar75
      Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle.

      And you, dear, the address when typing the name of the site were not mistaken? We are here, and in this article in particular, discuss RUSSIAN issues. And since Gilichina is attached as an appendage to Russian Ukraine, we perceive the discord in Ukrainian politics as a problem that cannot occupy us.
    4. +7
      April 3 2013 10: 52
      Yes, everything would be so 75 radar. But my Mother is in your "hostages", my sister and her family, the grave of my father and the Motherland of Childhood. You are somehow Sami, personally, I see bad there. I live more comfortably in Imperial Russia than in Independent Russia for all my relatives and friends together. Spit, pick up all of your own and watch when you are "beaten" to us. But the Motherland of Childhood ...
    5. +3
      April 3 2013 14: 31
      I don’t like when they look at me through the front sight, even if it’s an avatar. Avatar also says a lot.
    6. rolik
      0
      April 4 2013 00: 03
      Quote: radar75
      Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle. And we really do something ourselves. By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.

      Yes, you go to the forest. Scream yourself. that you are being deceived by the poor all the time. But in one thing, we are right now with a lot of our affairs. The country needs to be developed, fleet, army ..... catch up. If you can)))
  10. Natalia
    +10
    April 3 2013 09: 39
    Hi everyone!)))
    It’s just time for Ukraine to really decide, and to make at least some choice even if it’s not right three times (I mean the EU) .... but nevertheless, Ukraine will not get completely independent in the global world (where it’s washing its hand) ... .. well, that’s not it.
    I agree with the opinion that after Yanukovych, Russophobes will come to power in Ukraine, for ...... everything that happens in Ukraine's foreign policy can be called an unsuccessful attempt to play with Russia: "Well, they say they tried to make friends with them, let's be friends with Europe, to spite Russia. "
    1. Natalia
      +8
      April 3 2013 09: 43
      At the same time, Russia + Ukraine + Belarus + Kazakhstan = a completely new combat-ready geopolitical FORCE, with which the EU cannot do anything ..... and no one can.
      1. +5
        April 3 2013 09: 57
        Quote: Natalia
        with which the EU can’t do anything ..... and no one can.

        It is precisely on this occasion that Europe is doing everything possible to prevent the unification scenario. And through whom does he do it? All this policy is going on through the business of exchanges. In which grandmothers and other property acquired by overwork, is in Europe (Cyprus is a confirmation of this). The situation with the change of presidents in Ukraine has not changed dramatically. They are also trying to sit on two chairs. As a result of which I conclude that President Yanukovych is a puppet in the hands of large coin owners of Ukraine. who care about their interests. A kind of wonderland in the land of eccentrics.
      2. Valter
        +2
        April 3 2013 15: 44
        Natalia: "At the same time, Russia + Ukraine + Belarus + Kazakhstan = a completely new battle-worthy geopolitical FORCE, with which the EU can do nothing ... and no one can."
        You forget about the immeasurable corruption that is present in the first two countries you have listed and it will not be difficult for anyone to use it to do everything that is necessary.
        1. Conepatus
          +4
          April 3 2013 16: 04
          Russian corruption, before the Ukrainian, as before the moon with cancer
        2. Natalia
          +1
          April 3 2013 16: 10
          Quote: Valter
          You forget about the immeasurable corruption that is present in the first two countries you have listed and it will not be difficult for anyone to use it to do everything that is necessary.

          ......Yes Yes...
        3. xan
          +1
          April 3 2013 19: 40
          Quote: Valter
          You forget about the immeasurable corruption that is present in the first two countries you have listed and it will not be difficult for anyone to use it to do everything that is necessary.

          They would have used it a long time ago, at least Russia would have been forced to sign an energy charter.
          And only whine
    2. +4
      April 3 2013 09: 51
      Quote: Natalia

      Hi everyone!))

      Hi beauty, you came to Sait early in the morning, why aren’t we working winked
      Quote: Natalia
      to become completely independent of Ukraine in the global world (where a hand washes a hand) DOES NOT GET ..... well, it won’t work out.

      Now the lads will come with an independent and you will learn a lot about yourself laughing
      1. Natalia
        +1
        April 3 2013 11: 13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi beauty, you came to Sait early in the morning, why aren’t we working

        Hi Sasha, yes, actually we work, but it’s a beautiful time for you too .... no, no, no.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Now the lads will come with an independent and you will learn a lot about yourself

        ... lol oh well .... I'm loving)))
        1. Natalia
          +9
          April 3 2013 11: 27
          I don’t even almost doubt that such a geopolitical alliance of Russia, Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan will radically turn the whole situation in Europe from a poor level to a very very bad one, and allow Europe to be turned into an economic appendage of the CU countries ..... and this is not even a myth, due to the peculiarity of the territory ..... its size (CU), no matter what decision within the EU itself they will be forced to play according to the new rules created on the basis of the CU.
          1. +3
            April 3 2013 14: 36
            I agree. Plus for the comment.
    3. krisostomus
      +4
      April 3 2013 15: 28
      What do you call "completely independent"? Only Robinson Crusoe was completely independent on his island-state, and all the rest are very dependent on sales markets, raw materials and food, technologies and much more. And in what should Ukraine be determined by all means? And why is the choice only between Russia and the European Union?
      1. 0
        April 3 2013 15: 47
        Robinson Crusoe depended on Friday and mistress of fate
      2. Natalia
        0
        April 3 2013 16: 02
        Quote: krisostomus
        And why the choice is only between Russia and the European Union?

        Yes no no, what are you ..... the choice is huge:
        between Zimbabwe and Papua New Guinea
        between Cote D Ivoire and Senegal
        between Botswana and Mozambique ......... I just thought it a sinful thing that Ukraine is prettier than the EU or Russia. And I also thought that Mozambique is much further than the EU and Russia ..... well, I don’t know if you think otherwise ..... winked
      3. +3
        April 3 2013 17: 09
        Quote: krisostomus
        And why the choice is only between Russia and the European Union?

        And where else should she go to Africa chtol laughing
      4. 0
        April 3 2013 19: 31
        Do you offer Ukraine to join Estonia?
      5. rolik
        0
        April 4 2013 12: 05
        Quote: krisostomus
        And why the choice is only between Russia and the European Union?

        Here it is the seed of truth. Therefore, on energy, we are now increasingly meeting with representatives of the east, not Europe.
    4. Conepatus
      +3
      April 3 2013 16: 03
      After Yanukovych, Beria is needed and preferably in every region.
      1. rolik
        +2
        April 4 2013 12: 08
        Quote: Conepatus
        After Yanukovych, Beria is needed and preferably in every region

        Look here: the first was Kravchuk - now he is vilified at all angles, then Kuchma - the same story, then the mutant Yushchenko - the mutant in all respects, now Yanukovych. Each subsequent one is worse than the previous one. Maybe you should already choose not according to words but to deeds?
        Although there were no alternatives, as I understand it. Choose between a mutant and Yanukovych.
  11. +4
    April 3 2013 09: 49
    Unfortunately, all of Ukraine has no future, as some want to be with Russia, and the other hate it. Sooner or later, they will have to make a choice, and it will be difficult for the entire Ukrainian people ...
    1. Captain Vrungel
      +8
      April 3 2013 14: 12
      Do not confuse the people of Ukraine with crooks who plundered Ukraine, robbing people, crawled into power and strengthened its mafia structures of their clan from encroachments temporarily pushed back.
      Yanukovych is an uncomplaining puppet in the hands of his son, Yanukovych SS (Sasha dentist). Who secured the Pope with his loyal, close friends ("family" in short) and using power and strength, crush everything that fell on his eyes. They don't think about the people. Other plans. To crush everything under himself and gain a foothold as a khan in the pakhanat of Urkaina. And what about the people? For him, everything has already been decided and distributed. And when you see the protesters in our dumb days, during working hours not at their workplaces, it is clear that they brought out their servants and staff members who were bought for extras. The people work for a piece of bread for the family. and if he does come out, then not with flags and slogans, but with pitchforks and other handy flying objects. No flag color will save. The people become color blind in anger.
  12. +4
    April 3 2013 09: 51
    Let Putin give guarantees of the inviolability of Ukrainian property. the elite. He is a man of his word, he must be believed. Yanukovych and Co. simply do not have another alternative. When the plants fall apart and all the gas goes around, it will be more difficult to negotiate.
    1. +1
      April 3 2013 10: 11
      On the news, the news has passed. Ukraine will buy Russian gas in Europe. In my opinion they are themselves .... cheated.
      1. 0
        April 3 2013 17: 04
        He is not a crest who does not deceive himself
      2. -2
        April 3 2013 23: 40
        Quote: Boris55
        On the news, the news has passed. Ukraine will buy Russian gas in Europe.

        Ukraine in March 2013 almost did not buy gas from Russia due to an unsettled price issue. “We are in negotiations with Russian colleagues. But I want to note that during March we practically did not purchase gas from the territory of Russia. This is primarily because the issue of the pricing position has not been resolved, ”Interfax-Ukraine quotes. Ukraine has begun reverse supplies of natural gas from Hungary. Ukraine can annually import 5 billion cubic meters of natural gas purchased on spot markets through Hungary. Now the price of gas in spot markets is 380 dollars per thousand cubic meters, while Ukraine now pays Russia a little more than 420 dollars per thousand cubes, taking into account the so-called discount in 100 dollars.
        Russia will be forced to revise prices for its Ukrainian partners so as not to completely lose its largest customer, who paid more than 14 billion dollars for gas last year.
        Only business. Nothing personal ...
        1. rolik
          +1
          April 4 2013 12: 15
          Quote: morpex
          Ukraine began reverse supplies of natural gas from Hungary

          Ours already saw through this joke, the cunning Ukrainian gas workers. What they call reverse gas is also sleeping .... Russian gas. They simply run the gas around the ring and it turns out that it’s not stolen gas. They did it in vain, because it’s worse to deceive ours. After the southern stream, the passage of gas through the territory of the territory is cut off. Then it will be really fun.
          1. 0
            April 9 2013 22: 01
            Quote: rolik
            After the southern stream, the passage of gas through the territory of the territory is cut off. Then it will be really fun.

            Already fun!
            "National Joint Stock Company" Naftogaz of Ukraine "for 2012, according to Ukrainian accounting standards, received a net loss of 10,271 billion hryvnia.
            This is stated in the company’s message in the disclosure system of the National Commission for Securities and Stock Market (NKTSBFR).
            2011 "Naftobaz" completed with a net profit of 7,763 billion hryvnia.
            At the same time, the company's revenue for the 2012 year amounted to 108,061 billion hryvnias against 123,048 billion for the 2011 year.
            As a reminder, Naftogaz of Ukraine is the leading company in the fuel and energy complex of Ukraine, the country's gas monopoly.
            http://finance.obozrevatel.com/economy/92154-naftogaz-zakonchil-2012-s-10-mlrd-g
            rn-ubyitka.htm
            xxxxx
            But Poland proudly stated that it would not support Russian projects to lay the Russian gas pipeline to the detriment of Ukraine !!!! Nude Nude!
    2. 0
      April 3 2013 19: 35
      I don’t understand, are the Ukrainian voters alone in the voting booths? Or did they accompany them ?.
      1. +1
        April 3 2013 21: 07
        Quote: illarion
        I do not understand, are Ukrainian voters alone in the voting booths?

        I explain (as an observer)
        600 voters registered at the polling station
        Delivered - for voting for the party - 500 ballots
        For voting for the majority - 480
        Motivation - "All the same, everyone will not come to vote"!
        The question "to fill in" - and where then the undelivered ballots go and why they cannot calculate the result for so long? (2-3 weeks)
  13. 755962
    +4
    April 3 2013 09: 57
    Someday history will put everything in its place .... This is inevitable. If you want to have a future, remember the past.
  14. +1
    April 3 2013 10: 02
    Quote: radar75
    Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle. And we really do something ourselves. By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.


    Dear Ukrainian! Such is the will of fate and time, that we often have to deal purely with your problems, because you yourself somehow got lost, but you want to eat! And polls what polls? Sorry, but you get gas at what price? No gas theft? you have discounts on many contracts and on the basis of what? You have to answer for everything, just now there comes a moment when you must already say with whom you are! Even the EU has ceased to arrange your position purely! Therefore, enough to drift in world politics, decide already! or others will determine.
  15. +1
    April 3 2013 10: 08
    Quote: FC Skiff
    Let Putin give guarantees of the inviolability of Ukrainian property. the elite. He is a man of his word, he must be believed. Yanukovych and Co. simply do not have another alternative. When the plants fall apart and all the gas goes around, it will be more difficult to negotiate.


    Moreover, there will be nothing to negotiate! In Ukraine, the interests of the Russian Federation and the EU collide and it is very possible as the scenario for the division of the country wrote above!
  16. +13
    April 3 2013 10: 14
    Kuchma came up with a multi-vector policy. In those conditions of the 90s when Russia
    fell under the rule of the West and was completely dependent on IMF loans, this was the only opportunity to somehow pursue an independent policy and, most importantly, to divide the property inherited after the collapse of the USSR between “its“ oligarchs. ”Nevertheless, today Ukraine goes to the other extreme, when the only option for building relations with the West and the East are recognized only mechanism of the game on the contradictions of both sides. In this troubled water, Kiev hopes to grab its fish. But in this case, the Ukrainian authorities such fishing will come sideways. Kuchma experienced this in his own skin, when the Americans were tired of his multi-vector nature, and with the next turn in the direction of Russia, Leonid Danilovich was deftly knocked down by pro-Western revolutionaries.
    In general, all Ukrainian non-fallacy has historically been defined as the notorious multi-vector approach. The same Bogdan Khmelnytsky faithfully served the Polish crown first, then, together with the Tatars, robbed this crown, and then pondered for a long time who it is better to be with. Return to the Polish king to bow? Make a long-term alliance with the Mohammedans? To fall under the authority of the Orthodox Russian Tsar?
    And when, having pricked a mustache to the oslelets, the Kozaki decided that profitable to be under the Russian Orthodox Tsar, only then was the famous Pereyaslavl.
    All the same, the Russian tsar is his own and will not blame the sins of multi-vectorism in the form of participation in the siege of Smolensk, along with Polish troops and other campaigns under the red and white banner of the Polish eagle.
    Getman Ivan Bryukhovetsky, Ivan Vygovsky, Ivan Mazepa, Petro Doroshenko, the son of Bogdan Khmelnitsky Yuri and others, have been allied with the Crimean Khan and the Ottoman Empire, the Commonwealth and the Kingdom of Sweden more than once, thereby laying the foundations of modern multi-vector.
    As you can see, the style of government of the Ukrainian elite has not changed since then. the eternal desire "to eat fish and ride a scarab", what we see now in any political situation in Ukraine.
    It’s just that he pays for this desire and feels the people of Ukraine and Russia in his own skin,
    The thousand-year history of our peoples is so closely intertwined and woven together by centuries-old spiritual and cultural ties that the division into three nationalities is nonsense. The unification processes between our peoples have always been crowned with the creation of powerful state which not everyone took with joy.
    In such cases, the infection of multi-vector approach is the best suited for weakening the united Russian people. Only a reckless and even more criminal orientation towards the West can be worse.
    1. 0
      April 3 2013 14: 40
      In one geopolitical space, it is impossible to formulate two geopolitical ideas.
  17. +13
    April 3 2013 10: 18
    Everyone is calm! BP is locked again! At night they watch the rostrum! laughing
    The guys settled down cool! They carry homemade dumplings to them, "they didn’t chill," but the lights are turned off, and without light, it’s scary in the hall! (according to the People's Deputy) They threw eggs at the PR women when they left the building ... Have fun with us! By the way, here I was asked about the American police gas "J-flop". They say a safe thing (for health), but it helps a lot for constipation. Those. inhaled a small dose and .... surprise in trousers. Gathered here the opposition next time to meet! laughing No one in the know is this?
    So first, all the same, inside you need to figure it out, otherwise it is indecent to join an alliance with such "gifts" as our oppa.
    1. +3
      April 3 2013 11: 10
      Quote: Egoza
      Everyone is calm! BP is locked again! At night they watch the rostrum!

      Elena, yes, everything is calm, it's even more than usual laughing
      Quote: Egoza
      No one in the know is this?

      You want to bubble a balloon in Rada, the world has not seen such a show wassat
      I can’t even imagine what will happen in your parliament, if Yanek says we’ll go to the TS, it will be complete ....... wassat wassat wassat
      1. +2
        April 3 2013 11: 28
        if Yanek says let's go to the vehicle, it will be full .......

        .... spray can!
      2. Conepatus
        +3
        April 3 2013 16: 13
        Whatever Yanek says, nothing will come out anyway. In vain you are afraid of Ukraine’s accession to the EU. For if Ukraine joins the EU, then all this is an EU ass and this is unambiguous !!!!!! , or TS. On the sly, they tear the EU apart, they will not be able to understand how they became poor. In Europe there are no analogues of our corruption. Goat is nostra-babble compared to the Yanyka family.
  18. +4
    April 3 2013 10: 20
    Yes, in fact, the situation is not so deadlock. It is enough to simply hold a popular referendum, invite observers from all interested parties and agree with its results. I think both the EU and Russia will accept the will of the people and lag behind Ukraine. All this is not so expensive and long. Why won't the rulers in Ukraine do this?
    1. +5
      April 3 2013 10: 41
      The whole incident is that no one has been seriously interested in the opinion of the Ukrainian people for a long time !!! For 20 years, they have been hammering their brains with outright propaganda about European gingerbread cookies !!!
      At the same time, they didn’t specifically say nirazu what exactly the ordinary Ukrainian would benefit from European integration ... Because even a hedgehog is clear that nifiga will not win but only become impoverished completely !!!
      1. +5
        April 3 2013 11: 23
        That's right, let ordinary Ukrainians look at the Bulgarians, Latvians and others. Less production, plus prices and all ...
        Guys we have nothing to share, we are one people! Together, we are not twice as powerful, but tens of times.
    2. +12
      April 3 2013 13: 26
      I, too, was a supporter of the referendum. But I realized that he would not give anything. It will be the same as in the presidential election. Those. about 50 to 50. For in the Western world, Russia was traditionally not loved, and now even young people with the 120 thousandth history of the Ukrainian people, who were taught at school, have been washed up. And therefore, in my opinion, they do not hold a referendum, because until the result is uncertain, but over time, the number of zombies will increase.

      And when you ask such people: "What do you see the advantages of European integration," the answer is practically the same - "Look how people live in the EU."
      And you can't get them through. Everyone thinks that it is worth getting there and buns and cookies will fall from the sky. And no one is convinced by the example of "accelerated" accession to the WTO, after which a considerable part of the ukroindustry fell. Nobody wants to hear analyzes of the draft treaty with the EU, which does not bode well for Ukraine, just some wildness. Real zombies.
  19. artemiy
    +4
    April 3 2013 10: 21
    We see how in the European Union they treat allies! Greece, Cyprus, who is next ??? Ukraine should learn from the mistakes of others! And yet, Ukrainians are Slavs, they are Russian people by mentality!
  20. 0
    April 3 2013 10: 29
    And ordinary Ukrainians are paying for all the ugliness of Yampukovich.
  21. gladiatorakz
    -5
    April 3 2013 10: 35
    The article is a set of assumptions, speculations and fantasies. The author is a provocateur. Take any of his "creativity" - he will tell you how bad it all, who betrayed whom, sold, well, the final paragraph is "the only way out." Lump !! Hardly brains. Just a lump! laughing
  22. +5
    April 3 2013 10: 39
    Once again, the word itself has powerful power. We lost the Cold War not by tank armies, but by words. We prohikhikal country under anecdotes about Brezhnev, fascinated by listening to radio voices. I would like to talk about concrete actions during the discussion of the material.
    Sergey Lunev, On Information Aggression and Information Security, ruska-pravda

    On my own I would add - the most important defeat of the Russians is the implantation of the concept of "three fraternal peoples" - that is, division of one people into three. the concept of "brotherhood" is anesthesia. the most important thing is to emphasize the difference.
  23. 0
    April 3 2013 11: 03
    HIGHLY. VERY regrettable thing to read. The most offensive is that this is true. It’s not without exaggeration to destabilize the situation in Ukraine with a possible civil war at our side ... OPA !!! It is now necessary for the Ukrainian people to make it clear themselves, without the participation of their politicians, that they are for integration into the Customs Union. The Civil War will begin, Russia will have to intervene in it. And there vultures from Geyropa will catch up.
  24. Hius-124
    +3
    April 3 2013 11: 06
    Zatrakh ...., yesterday I wrote: "Yuscha, Khlyshcha and Shapoklyak - to the Kolyma!", And if you don't WANT - walk towards Geyropa, but remember - the road behind is overgrown! hi
    1. +3
      April 3 2013 11: 15
      Quote: Hyus-124
      step towards Geyropa, but remember, the road behind is GROWING! hi

      That you sho! We have such plans!
      (fresher)
      Ukraine can pump Kazakh gas bypassing Russia, - Azarov
      The resumption of direct supplies of Kazakh hydrocarbons to Ukraine meets the interests of both countries. This was stated by Prime Minister Mykola Azarov during a meeting with the First Deputy Prime Minister of the Republic of Kazakhstan Bakitzhan Sagintayev.
      Azarov recalled that the creation of a free trade zone within the framework of the Commonwealth of Independent States provides for the conclusion of an Agreement on free access to pipeline transport of the CIS countries and creates opportunities for direct deliveries of Kazakh oil and gas to Ukraine.
      “We are committed to expanding cooperation in the use of transport, in particular, pipeline. I think that Kazakhstan is also interested in this, because it has sufficient reserves of gas and oil, and it could trade with us not only through the Russian Federation, but also directly, as it was before 2005. This will meet the interests of Kazakhstan and Ukraine, ”Mykola Azarov said.
      He noted that the creation of the Customs Union complicated trade and economic relations within the CIS, and therefore it is now necessary to improve cooperation mechanisms. “We strive in negotiations with the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan and Belarus to develop such a format of relations that the advantages of the free trade zone within the CIS, which we have been preparing for almost 20 years, are filled with real content, and that the framework of the Customs Union does not interfere with the implementation of the provisions on the free trade zone ", - said Azarov.
      http://news2000.com.ua/news/ekonomika/227356
      1. 0
        April 3 2013 11: 51
        That’s not us, but you sho! Your Azarov just blows into the receiver and the keys are pressed backstage. He already built a port for liquefied gas with Italians as they almost sat down on their backs when they learned about such plans. Shale gas rushed to mine with amers. in Severodonetsk they want to build a plant for the production of gas from coal toko mines all have long been gone or abandoned people dig themselves in gardens or abandoned mines to sell and somehow live. You are an adult girl and believe in Azarov’s fairy tales.
        1. +3
          April 3 2013 12: 50
          Quote: mhpv
          You are an adult girl and believe in the tales of Azarov.

          MCHPV! hi You don’t understand humor! Well, you can’t put emoticons on every line! Everyone understands everything perfectly, it’s just very abrupt that all these statements appeared today, when BP didn’t come to anything again! But after April 4, Yanukovych may decide to dissolve the parliament! So the government needs to show how well and promisingly they work! And then suddenly, along with BP, the Cabinet will disperse! laughing
          1. 0
            April 3 2013 12: 57
            Guilty, I will correct hi
            1. 0
              April 3 2013 19: 25
              Quote: mhpv
              Guilty, I will correct

              Accepted! hi
        2. +2
          April 3 2013 13: 58
          Quote: mhpv
          That’s not us, but you sho! Your Azarov just blows into the receiver and the keys are pressed backstage. He already built a port for liquefied gas with Italians as they almost sat down on their backs when they learned about such plans. Shale gas rushed to mine with amers. in Severodonetsk they want to build a plant for the production of gas from coal toko mines all have long been gone or abandoned people dig themselves in gardens or abandoned mines to sell and somehow live. You are an adult girl and believe in Azarov’s fairy tales.

          Yes, my dear, you didn’t understand everything, you attacked the wrong one.
          Elena taunts Azarov, and you all at face value
          1. 0
            April 3 2013 14: 11
            Old racketeer how can I attack her, kilometers are between us wink and I apologized to her love
        3. Petr_Sever
          +1
          April 3 2013 18: 17
          "Moreover, they want to build a plant for the production of gas from coal in Severodonetsk."

          Are you serious?
          32 I live not particularly leaving anywhere in this beautiful city, in Lugansk
          I work in OrgChem (if you, of course, know what kind of organization it is)
          so neither hearing nor spirit, and so all 122 inhabitants of our little town.

          Or you Azarov N.Ya. personally whispered in the ear in the queue in the dining room of BP? or
          Renat blurted out so purely on friendship? No, wrong?
          1. 0
            April 3 2013 20: 31
            Unlike you, I live far away but occasionally read the site of Lisichansk.
            I bothered to read before under .... for a man unreasonably
          2. +1
            April 3 2013 21: 40
            http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/na-zhitelyax-lisichanska-reshili-postavit-bolshuyu-z
            hirnuyu-tochku.html
            http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/odin-million-dollarov-poluchit-severodoneckij-nii-za
            -vypolnenie-proekta-po-stroitelstvu-zavodov-po-gazifikacii-uglya.html
            here is the whisper of your Azarov and the friendly blunder of Renat.
            Get more interested in how your land lives No.
      2. +1
        April 3 2013 14: 47
        Delirium of some kind in "Azarov" style. Is he going to receive gas through hyperspace?
        1. +1
          April 3 2013 14: 56
          It looks more like "retroactively and verbally", but with or without lubrication, it doesn't matter, if only it is cheap.
  25. +2
    April 3 2013 11: 25
    Back in the early 90s, Kravchuk and Kuchma "fed" the people with fairy tales like about the neutral course of Ukraine ... Then, somewhere in the year 96-97, I was surprised to learn that we were making big strides to Europe !!!

    Excuse me, but what kind of democracy is this? And they forgot to ask the people of Ukraine (the majority) about where to live and with whom to integrate !!! Therefore, I believe that from the second half of the 90s, dictators ruled Ukraine under the guise of supposedly democracy ...
    1. +5
      April 3 2013 14: 16
      Quote: Selevc
      And they forgot to ask the people of Ukraine (the majority) about where to live and with whom to integrate !!

      Nobody asked us when they drove into Ukrainian citizenship, they wrote in the passport instead of Vladimir Volodimir, despite my disagreement, when they closed Russian schools, when they dubbed Russian films and introduced hatred towards the pits in every way. And here is the result of over 20 years. Mass propaganda did its own, grew and received a nationalist vaccination for a whole generation. Goebels' good pupils managed, no matter how bitterly, to steal our children. And this is when our future (EU-TS) is discussed, etc. must be reckoned with.
      1. -1
        April 3 2013 20: 35
        As for nationality, a Ukrainian is a difficult question ... Ukraine in its modern form is a combined territory with a very, very different culture, mentality and history ...

        If we take, for example, Eastern Ukraine, then these lands in general have been a wild field for hundreds of years - an absolutely deserted area with rare farmsteads that constantly ravaged and burned down the Tatars ... And as a result of the stubborn and long struggle of Russia with the Crimean Khanate, the population began to reappear on these lands and cities will develop ...

        The southern lands of Ukraine are the result of a long struggle between Russia and Turkey ... Mostly populated by immigrants from various Slavic countries and Jews ...

        The west of Ukraine is Austria-Hungary - that is, a people calling themselves Ukrainians but according to their traditions, mentality, history and language are closer to the countries of Central Europe than to Ukraine itself ...

        And only residents of several central regions can call themselves the core of Ukraine ...

        By and large, modern Ukrainians are a mixture of different Slavic peoples + numerous conquerors undoubtedly left their mark here !!!
        1. Mefodiy
          -3
          April 3 2013 20: 52
          Quote: Selevc

          By and large, modern Ukrainians are a mixture of different Slavic peoples + numerous conquerors undoubtedly left their mark here !!!

          Well, yes ... Now let's go to measure DNA, who has more "trace" left by the Tatar-Mongol yoke .. And then (maybe) we will take compasses (from famous museums) to measure the skulls ???
          1. 0
            April 3 2013 21: 12
            Actually, compasses are not needed here at all - it is enough to look carefully at the passers-by of the Ukrainians on the street - if the Scandinavians are called "nations of blondes", the French are nosy :))), Romanians - Gypsies (that is, similar in appearance to this people) - then Ukrainians are DIFFERENT and very very different !!!

            And this speaks precisely of the heredity and turbulent past of the people !!! :))) This is probably why Ukrainians are so beautiful !!!
          2. 0
            April 3 2013 22: 04
            Quote: Mefodiy
            And then (maybe) take compasses (from famous museums) to measure skulls ???

            Microcephalic and without compass is visible.
  26. 0
    April 3 2013 11: 30
    Quote: radar75
    . By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.

    Most opinion polls are fictitious invented by the West for stupefying. In order to earn more money, the agents of these organizations give out the right answer and a small present and ask when they call you from the agency to give a ready answer, trust me, they offered me this, so I don’t believe any opinion polls. And where are you have seen that in Russia Ukrainians are treated badly, what does this mean?
  27. Hius-124
    0
    April 3 2013 11: 48
    Uv. Egoza, Do the Kazakhs know that their gas is UKRAINIAN? Or is it a knight's move? belay
    1. +1
      April 3 2013 12: 52
      Quote: Hyus-124
      But do the Kazakhs know that their gas is UKRAINIAN?

      So it’s like you are selling your gas to us, bypassing Russia! feel
  28. Drosselmeyer
    +1
    April 3 2013 12: 04
    What kind of de-industrialization is the author talking about? Everything has already been plundered and closed 5-10 years ago. There were a couple of mines and several metallurgical plants. New enterprises are not being built, and old ones have long been destroyed.
  29. pa_nik
    +5
    April 3 2013 12: 12
    It is necessary to simply sustain a pause (which, by the way, is happening in the Russia-Ukraine policy). The situation will enter the “absurd” stage and then everything will be resolved quickly and clearly. The only question is - what will be the outcome for the Independent and its people ... recourse And I personally like the country and people (with whom I have talked) really like it! Well, for the brotherhood of the Slavs !! drinks
  30. fastblast
    +5
    April 3 2013 12: 20
    You really need to decide.
    But, not with the EU and the CU, these issues can wait.
    Why?
    Yes, because in fact it doesn’t matter where to go on a leaky ship, to the Black Sea or the Sea of ​​Azov ...
    First of all, it is necessary to restore order in the country.
    1. Skavron
      -3
      April 3 2013 17: 37
      Quote: Fastblast
      First of all, it is necessary to restore order in the country.

      With two hands FOR!
      Only the local forum does not understand this.
    2. xan
      0
      April 3 2013 19: 57
      Quote: Fastblast
      First of all, it is necessary to restore order in the country.

      Well, straight kindergarten pants on the straps - who argues with this?
      do you even understand that you will not have a politician or political force capable of doing this. One of the reasons for this, and I think not the main one, is that large uncles will not allow this to be done.
  31. +1
    April 3 2013 12: 21
    http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/samye-nastoyashhie-varvary.html
    http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/na-zhitelyax-lisichanska-reshili-postavit-bolshuyu-z
    hirnuyu-tochku.html
    http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/lisichane-xvatit-naxoditsya-v-spyachke-nash-gorod-gi
    bnet.html
    http://www.lisichansk.in.ua/konvulsii-lisichanskogo-steklozavoda-proletarij.html

    Here are a couple of links for you gentlemen Ukrainians on the example of one once large industrial city. And you still think that Europe needs you with such an industry, and Russia is "rummaging through your pockets" where the louse is on the lasso
    1. Skavron
      0
      April 3 2013 17: 40
      http://www.nkmz.com/Russian/index.html
      http://www.emss.ua/
      http://www.aviaglass.com/history.php
      http://www.kzts.com/
      Well ... offhand ... I can throw a lot more.
      1. +1
        April 3 2013 20: 49
        the fact that you have thrown off a respected matter of time. Get to them and only finish with what they did not finish, and the products of the enterprises given on the link will also be unprofitable, since who needs your glass because gas is expensive, and metal is from where you come from.
        In general, I didn’t throw off the links for sarcasm, since it pains me to look at the dying city where I was once born
        1. Skavron
          +1
          April 3 2013 22: 50
          and I threw off links to enterprises that were, are and will be.
          Strange, but 2 from the list were restored relatively recently, after a complete collapse.
          Quote: mhpv
          Reaching them will only end with what they haven’t finished, and the products of the enterprises given on the link will also be unprofitable, since who needs your glass, because the gas is expensive, and the metal is where you came from.

          Gas is still expensive, and production is now being sold to the same Russia. Cost-effective without vehicle.
          Metal? Do you know how many metal plants there are in Ukraine? How many GOKs? How much does Ukraine mine ore?
          Yes, and why destroy profitable plants? There is no logic.
          1. -1
            April 3 2013 23: 38
            Where does this Ukrainian mine that much ore? If only from the ruined enterprises in such cities here? Your glass in Russia is only necessary in order to get a rollback of its glass companies here completely and Russia has refused your pipes, so do not power yourself with such illusions.
  32. +1
    April 3 2013 13: 07
    Nobody aspires to anywhere! To the tune of the guarantor, the Ukrainian authorities, like an electron, are trying to maneuver between the two poles, both in foreign and domestic policy. This is not a political mistake. The purpose of such throwing is to retain power at any cost. The chaos and the consequences do not bother them - the main thing is to complete the division and redistribution of property in the interests of family clans that have clung to the trough of power.
  33. +4
    April 3 2013 13: 46
    I still don’t understand the Ukrainians, do they really still don’t understand what the geyropa wants from them, what Russia wants from them, why Yushchenko sought European integration, why Yanukovych wants European integration, and what Ukraine will get from European integration, what he will get from joining in the vehicle. It's all on the surface.
    1. the geyropa wants a) just stupidly tear Ukraine away from Russia b) make Ukraine a market for his crap c) hold Ukraine by lackeys (see Cyprus) d) create a NATO base and anger Russia
    2. Russia needs only the fact of Ukraine joining the Customs Union (political reason)
    3. Yushchenko tried to drive Ukraine into a geyropa on the instructions of the United States to tear Russia away
    4. Yanukovych is tearing into a geyropa in the hope of lucrative euro loans to steal them and escape into a geyropa
    5. From entering the geyropu, Ukraine will receive a) a loose loan that will completely destroy the economy of Ukraine, as we are seeing now throughout the geyropa. b) Geyropa will rule Ukraine before the outbreak of civil war and until Ukraine falls apart c) Geyropeyts parades
    6. Upon joining the CU, Ukraine will receive a) a decrease in gas prices (for political reasons) b) a sales market where Ukrainian goods sell well c) integration of high-tech industries and, as a result, economic growth. When joining the TS, nobody will give money stupidly, but it will be possible to earn honestly, it will only be necessary to work, and this is in the long run. And yes, no one is going to interfere in the internal affairs of Ukraine. If you would like it would have already intervened. (Putin, well done, wants everyone to get to the point of being friends with someone who doesn’t stick a knife in your back)
    7. With the independence of Ukraine, the economic situation will deteriorate, so to speak, not as strong as when Ukraine joined the Gayropean Union, but enough that ordinary Ukrainians live below the poverty line.
    8. They say that they are going to extract shale gas in western Ukraine ... It's a pity we can no longer come to you in Miraculous sanatoria with wonderful nature, everything will be saturated with toxic chemicals ...
    1. +4
      April 3 2013 15: 01
      Everyone and everyone understands! In a country where the judicial system has been replaced by oprichnina, where the prime minister has to say that Ukrainians have enough to whine, and they need to plant potatoes, where people have only one guaranteed right - to be silent, where the one who has more money is right, where politicians of all stripes have replaced the principle of democracy by the principle of clan interests, to show a civic position, is not just more expensive for oneself, but tantamount to suicide.
  34. +1
    April 3 2013 14: 01
    The people are one thing, the elite is another. The thieves' Ukrainian elite drifts the West and Russia, realizing that both here and there dispossession is inevitable. That's the whole reason to "pull the rubber". Who will lead the people and where they will turn, that is the question! Russia shouldn't be picking its nose and waiting for the weather by the sea ...
  35. buzz
    +5
    April 3 2013 14: 04
    I have the impression that no matter what choice Ukraine makes, the result will be one, or rather a split to the west and east!
  36. +4
    April 3 2013 14: 16
    I would like to wish Ukrainians a worthy president, not Yanuk, not Yushch, not Tymoshenko, not this whole bunch, but really smart and worthy who will make the right choice in favor of their people.
  37. 0
    April 3 2013 14: 30
    Quote: opkozak
    We invite


    Can you really help people get a decent week?
    So that the price of rental housing is not going through the roof? Yes, to be fed adequately?
  38. Hius-124
    +1
    April 3 2013 14: 53
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Hyus-124
    But do the Kazakhs know that their gas is UKRAINIAN?

    So it’s like you are selling your gas to us, bypassing Russia! feel

    I just have the flag of Varangian (I don’t know why), and the region is faithful (124). hi
  39. Hius-124
    +1
    April 3 2013 14: 58
    And in general, the question is under discussion: Be sure to call shit - ELITE? Maybe somehow more truthful? laughing Yes
  40. -2
    April 3 2013 15: 10
    Here they’re just one vector - Let’s ask Poland and Lithuania, but would gentlemen want to revive joining Ukraine, “like the ancient ancestral home of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but already with the capital in Kiev, since now it is Ukraine, as the most powerful of the three states , should serve as the basis for the future great power ”(c) laughing wassat
  41. awerkiev
    -5
    April 3 2013 15: 44
    Yes, divide this Ukraine in half and that’s it! Cockerels to cockerels, roots to the roots laughing
    1. Mefodiy
      +2
      April 3 2013 16: 06
      Quote: awerkiev
      Yes, divide this Ukraine in half and that’s it! Cockerels to cockerels, roots to the roots laughing

      Yes, SHARE THIS SHARE .... Sakhalin, Kuril Islands - Toyota and Panasonic; Koenigsberskaya - Vaterlandu, D. East - China; Kola - Vikingam ..... fellow
    2. fastblast
      +3
      April 3 2013 16: 07
      2 awerkiev: I wonder what dividers like you are guided by when writing this kind of message?

      Of course, it's easier to share, give away and give away ...
      It's time to build and build for centuries!
    3. Conepatus
      0
      April 3 2013 16: 18
      Dear, do you share your country, well?
    4. -4
      April 3 2013 16: 38
      Well, you respected all the males, the males decided to give the males see people were offended wassat
      It’s probably boring and not fashionable to live without males bully
    5. +1
      April 3 2013 16: 43
      when nuclear weapons were withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine, they were given guarantees of territorial integrity, including Russia, too. Or on the side of my own guarantees, I want to give, I want to take it away? And this is often offered under the Russian flag, although here they also swear love for the fraternal people. Probably one step from love to hate? Even in the form of a joke, such calls sound negative and do not cause understanding in every joke, only a fraction of the joke.
      1. xan
        -3
        April 3 2013 20: 05
        Quote: Semurg
        when nuclear weapons were withdrawn from the territory of Ukraine, they were given guarantees of territorial integrity, including Russia, too.

        guarantees do not mean what can now be done on Russia's head, and there will be nothing for it
        They left a large rebuilt country with Russian territory, and they turned it into garbage, and they want to turn Russians into Russophobes
        Do they want to hide behind these guarantees?
        1. Mefodiy
          -1
          April 3 2013 21: 06
          [quote = xan]
          They left a large rebuilt country with Russian territory, and they turned it into garbage, and they want to turn Russians into Russophobes
          Slowly, please, I don't have time to record.
          Announce the entire list, please ..
          What a shame on all my relatives. She turns out to have a saw and a walk and b .... a, and the unfortunate, oppressed, poor "relatives" from the East worked hard, expanding, preparing our rookery for free ....
          PS Alas, it's hard to argue about the garbage here ... You can answer that .. well ... well, like "Unfortunately RBMK-1000 e ... I'm in Pripyat, not in Sosnovy Bor ..." hi
  42. Hius-124
    0
    April 3 2013 16: 28
    Quote: krisostomus
    What do you call "completely independent"? Only Robinson Crusoe was completely independent on his island-state, and all the rest are very dependent on sales markets, raw materials and food, technologies and much more. And in what should Ukraine be determined by all means? And why is the choice only between Russia and the European Union?

    No ! Between Russia, the European Union and Estonia! And the first two are outsiders. laughing
  43. Vovka levka
    +6
    April 3 2013 16: 49
    In Ukraine, everything is simple.

    The powers that be do not want to go to Russia, because there they will put in place quickly. It will be keeping quiet. They will squeeze the eggs and take away the capital.

    I would like to go to Europe, the reason is simple, so they stole that the economy is an ass. But the problem is that no one in Europe will tolerate the "concept".

    So rushing around.
    1. 0
      April 9 2013 22: 13
      Quote: Vovka Levka
      But the problem is that no one in Europe will tolerate the "concept".

      And finally, Europe began to talk about it openly !!! (I give only part of the article, there are many more other examples)
      "The British weekly newspaper The Economist was the most harsh, criticizing power and opposition to the nines.
      “It is impossible to describe Ukraine in human language: this is not a dictatorship, but certainly not a democracy. It’s still not clear how this country generally stays afloat, but at least something remains in the budget (given the all-consuming corruption), ”the newspaper says ironically.
      The magazine calls President Yanukovych a bandit, and the opposition is part of a pro-government business group.
      “In the parliamentary elections, the Party of Regions used a whole arsenal of dirty technologies, but with difficulty gained 30%. The opposition intensified and organized several protests, in particular, demanding the election of the mayor of Kiev, but all this does not compare with the orange events of 2004. On the one hand, the Ukrainians were disappointed, on the other, they finally began to understand that the future of the country depends not from the color of politicians, but from laws and institutions that must be described in human language. ”
      http://news2000.com.ua/news/sobytija/v-mire/227843
  44. Alexan
    +4
    April 3 2013 17: 02
    The trouble is that the proportions of the flags are not the same on the map. Young people have been "rebuilt", even the Crimeans perceive, as they said at school. The ordinary everyday irritation with Yanukovych leaves him no chance in the future. What can we say about a fairly large part of the population who is touched by Julia or is ready to go for Klitschko? The country will never unite, but it's easy to heap problems! There is a saying: "Hi girshe, that inshe!" Nobody has canceled the Ukrainian mentality yet ...
  45. in reserve
    +2
    April 3 2013 17: 56
    It also makes sense to join the customs union, because the Ukrainian economy and production are imprisoned under the former Soviet Union. Upon joining the CU, Ukraine will be able to sell its goods and gradually reconstruct production to a modern level, plus private investment from Russia, plus cheap gas and oil, and many more advantages.
    What will happen from the entry into the EU: Ukraine, the market for European goods, production is finally bent because the product does not meet European standards, and again, Ukraine has no money and it is subsidized by European neighbors until a certain point like Cyprus, and then bankrupt.
    1. Conepatus
      +4
      April 3 2013 18: 30
      The Ukrainian economy is already not sharpened for anything. Something cannot be sharpened, something cannot be sharpened, if this something is simply not there. There are the interests of the Yanyk family, there are the interests of the oligarchs. growing police force by leaps and bounds
      1. in reserve
        +1
        April 3 2013 21: 06

        Conepatus
        The Ukrainian economy is already not sharpened for anything. Something cannot be sharpened, something cannot be sharpened, if this something is simply not there. There are the interests of the Yanyk family, there are the interests of the oligarchs. growing police force by leaps and bounds


        As it is not sharpened, you have production according to European standards and robotic, conveyor production. You’re still producing military equipment upgraded from the Soviet era, you won’t normally make a gun on an APC.
  46. +3
    April 3 2013 17: 59
    Quote: Vovka Levka
    In Ukraine, everything is simple.

    The powers that be do not want to go to Russia, because there they will put in place quickly. It will be keeping quiet. They will squeeze the eggs and take away the capital.

    I would like to go to Europe, the reason is simple, so they stole that the economy is an ass. But the problem is that no one in Europe will tolerate the "concept".

    So rushing around.



    Freedom of choice ... so to speak.
  47. Petr_Sever
    -2
    April 3 2013 18: 07
    "to go for integration with Moscow, especially since the majority of the population supports this course of the country."

    There is such a Ukrainian proverb - "dummy bagatie" - that's exactly about
    author of the article ..

    On the issue of integration with the Russian Federation in the parliamentary elections 2012
    VO "Svoboda"> 10%, pro-Russian "Russian Bloc" <2%
    These figures do not say anything, do not?

    Maybe it's time to leave the world of illusions and look at the situation with a more or less adequate look?
  48. 0
    April 3 2013 18: 51
    "to go for integration with Moscow, especially since the majority of the population supports such a course of the country. "
    There is such a Ukrainian proverb - "dummy bagatie" - that's exactly about
    author of the article ..
    On the issue of integration with the Russian Federation in the parliamentary elections 2012
    VO "Svoboda"> 10%, pro-Russian "Russian Bloc" <2%
    These figures do not say anything, do not?
    Maybe it's time to leave the world of illusions and look at the situation with a more or less adequate look?


    No illusions ... angry
  49. 0
    April 3 2013 19: 04
    Quote: radar75
    Dear Russians! You would rather deal with your problems, rather than forcing the vehicle. And we really do something ourselves. By the way, according to all opinion polls, Ukrainians treat Russians better than Russians do Ukrainians.


    Well, yes, yes ...
  50. not good
    +2
    April 3 2013 19: 22
    The desire to sit on two chairs may end in a torn ... booty.
  51. Hius-124
    0
    April 3 2013 19: 38
    Quote: Valter
    Tersky: "... Victory Day is not canceled ..."
    So, no one has canceled Victory Day here, just not everyone likes it, but the parades are passing. One thing only upsets: When the German ex-soldiers are shown, they do not look very bad, and our veterans are almost gone, and those who are living out their last years in poverty and monuments of the Great Patriotic War (very bloody war for us all) desecrated even in Russia.

    Then why - valter? Agent? bully
  52. -3
    April 3 2013 19: 51
    Quote: Conepatus
    The Ukrainian economy is no longer tailored to anything. Something cannot be tailored to something, if this something simply does not exist.


    By the way ...
    1. Conepatus
      +5
      April 3 2013 20: 00
      Nonsense. The people of Ukraine still want to work, the trouble is that during the entire period of independence, it was more profitable for the authorities to destroy production and sell everything in parts, or as scrap.
  53. kurtz755
    +2
    April 3 2013 20: 09
    Why should I, a Russian, be interested in the fate and prospects of THIS education?!
  54. mox
    mox
    -2
    April 3 2013 20: 19
    I read the article, but still did not find an answer to the question “What has Ukraine’s multi-vector nature led to?”
    1. +2
      April 3 2013 20: 58
      Really? So you don’t understand or don’t want to admit the obvious? Impoverishment will lead to an abyss and will also lead to collapse. We Russians have never wanted the collapse of Ukraine, but you yourself stubbornly climb into it. Well, the flag is in your hands.
  55. a jacket
    +1
    April 3 2013 20: 40
    Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
    I hear the word - Ukraine - to cry, I want to beat someone and it becomes funny at the same time.

    My boss once said that nothing improves your mood on Monday morning like reading Ukrainian and Polish media. I checked it myself. True. It’s very difficult to tear yourself away from reading yet another “analytics”. It’s easy to find in Russian and translated. I highly recommend it. A boost of energy and good mood for the whole Monday are guaranteed. There will even be some left for Tuesday.
  56. +4
    April 3 2013 20: 43
    Quote: mox
    I read the article, but still did not find an answer to the question “What has Ukraine’s multi-vector nature led to?”


    here's to this ledbrought it
  57. Alexan
    +5
    April 3 2013 20: 49
    Quote: Petr_Sever
    VO "Svoboda">10%, pro-Russian "Russian Bhttp://topwar.ru/templates/rnns/bbcodes/image.gifloc"<2%
    These figures do not say anything, do not?

    Very easy to explain; pro-Russian parties cannot unite, they are quite marginal and pursue their own selfish interests (I know first-hand - I worked in the Russian Bloc during the elections). There is no worthy leader. Support and funding from Moscow are based on interests, small interests, so that local deputies defend land interests. There is no real support and work of professionals in Crimea! We have been abandoned for a long time, Sevastopol still holds on. Traditionally...
  58. +3
    April 3 2013 20: 50
    it will still be like this:
    1. imperiologist
      +3
      April 3 2013 21: 15
      We are made for each other, together we have more fun!
      1. in reserve
        +1
        April 4 2013 00: 38
        Appeal to fellow Ukrainians.

        1. -2
          April 4 2013 00: 48
          The S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system recently arrived at the Battle of Cherguvannya near Krimu
          2nd quarter near Sevastopol, on the battlefield, the division commanded by Lieutenant Colonel Volodymyr Bogdan took over the defense of the conquered expanse of our state.

          Varto notes that, as a result of the past year, 2012, the S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system was upgraded to this division. It has become the first for the Crimean region, which, since the independence of Ukraine, has undergone repairs, modernization and obtained a certified continuation of its term of operation.

          The local ceremony of the offensive on the battlefield was held with the wine of the Combat Ensign and in the presence of representatives of the command of the tactical group “Crime” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the command of the anti-aircraft missile regiment, which is part of the division. At the time of entry, representatives of the mass media and the clergy were requested.

          http://ukrainian-arms.livejournal.com/41836.html
          1. 0
            April 4 2013 07: 40
            Quote: Kars
            The S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system recently arrived at the Battle of Cherguvannya near Krimu

            Damn, I didn’t immediately realize that it was a “sovereign language”, I read it "mercilessly modernized" laughing
          2. -4
            April 4 2013 11: 21
            Take your rusty pieces of iron to yourself. The downed TU-154 is not enough for us. They dragged it in again! When will the crap calm down? It’s better to sell this miracle weapon to the rodents. The Russians will quickly put it in order. After repairs.
  59. Hius-124
    0
    April 3 2013 21: 03
    Quote: medwed1976
    it will still be like this:

    Oh oh No.
  60. +4
    April 3 2013 21: 03
    In general, Ukraine is a state with a very, very vague past!!! Let's try, noting all the obvious nationalist crap and propaganda of the last 20 years, to understand its history...

    It’s strange how we were taught - first there was Kievan Rus with its capital in Kyiv and then after the Mongol invasion suddenly Ukraine with the same capital appeared from somewhere!!!
    The history of Ukraine is in many ways the history of the Ukrainian Cossacks - that is, illegal paramilitary forces (simply partisans or bandits) - this is exactly what Poland and the Ottoman Empire considered them to be...

    Undoubtedly, the territory of present-day Ukraine is a subject of dispute between strong neighboring countries - Poland, Turkey and Russia... And therefore, these lands were regularly devastated, robbed and became dependent on their neighbors... Therefore, these lands were virtually no man’s land for many hundreds of years and the Cossacks flourished here (that is, robbery)...

    There are two interesting theories about the origin of Ukraine:

    1st - The word Ukraine itself appeared in the 16th century - Russian clerks called Ukraine and recorded border and disputed lands...

    2nd - Ukraine is an Austro-Hungarian project that appeared in the 18-19th centuries to chop off a big jackpot from the Russian Empire...
  61. imperiologist
    +1
    April 3 2013 21: 07
    I wonder what if tomorrow some kind of African super-union appears and Ukraine strives to get there?
  62. +1
    April 3 2013 21: 07
    What has the multi-vector nature of Ukraine led to?



    This is a question from the topic - is it possible for one “ZDC” to sit on two chairs, especially when they move apart?
  63. sribnuu
    0
    April 3 2013 22: 00
    b is the one who does not love the Ukrainians, and the crest serves them. Let's all be in our places. And regarding the Customs Union, Lukashenko recently said everything clearly - Badyaga and that’s it!
  64. 0
    April 3 2013 22: 08
    What has the multi-vector nature of Ukraine led to?


    Why not the correct title, maybe I didn’t give it, maybe someone brought it specifically and purposefully?
  65. Axel
    -5
    April 3 2013 22: 25
    Quote: Phantom Revolution
    The implementation of the program, according to Kornilov, will lead to a humanitarian and social catastrophe. To avoid this, the Ukrainian government has only one option - to integrate into the Customs Union. And the sooner this is done, the better for the state. Kyiv actually doesn’t have much time, just as much as

    Kazakhstan practically ran away from the Customs Union, Belarus thinks the same about it. So why should Ukraine join the Customs Union? What are the benefits for Ukraine in the Customs Union?
    80% Russia, 20% divided between Kazakhstan, Belarus and Ukraine (what the hell are the benefits of the CU)
    It’s easier to hold a referendum on the CU or the European Union and close the issue there (pensioners and communists are not allowed to participate in the referendum)
    1. +2
      April 3 2013 22: 32
      Quote: Axel
      (pensioners and communists are not allowed to participate in the referendum)

      Forgot. It's time for all of them to sew stars on their clothes. Some - white, some - red, some - yellow. Deja vu.
      1. Axel
        -5
        April 3 2013 23: 49
        Why are pensioners prohibited from voting?
        Example:
        1) My grandfather spent 30 years at the aircraft factory, worked as a foreman, had a personal sealer (for sealing aircraft engine components), even the quality control department did not check his complete trust in the impeccable quality of work, anyone who works or has worked at ARZ will understand me. Before retiring, I worked for 5 years on a test bench (after a complete overhaul of the engine, it must be tested in all modes) in order to earn a normal pension (working on a test bench is hard labor, drafts are not uncommon, fires, noises, vibrations, and even climbing on a running engine needs to be regulated) I earned a pension of as much as 120 rubles, this is even with the union.
        At that time, my grandfather was still strong and unable to retire; he got a job as a watchman in a garage cooperative and ended his work experience at the age of 75.
        2) My mother has 35 years of experience from an engineer to deputy head of economics
        3) Father has 35 years of experience from mechanic to supervisor
        Everyone earned a decent pension
        But a stupid man came from Donbass and made an equalization, a cleaning lady who worked 3 hours a day receives the same pension as my grandfather, father and mother, where is the justice?
        As soon as the elections for pensioners are golden mountains, the Party of Regions promises that they will give 10, and take away 100, inflation eats up, pensioners vote for them, and this is 50% of the votes
        This is why pensioners should be banned from voting
        But the communists are just a utopia, that says it all
    2. +3
      April 3 2013 22: 40
      So, in fact, no one is letting us into the European Union and never will be - Turkey has been an Associate Member of the EU for 40 years, so what? I don’t like all these flirtations between Europe and Ukraine - it looks like a lot of empty talk!!!
    3. Hius-124
      0
      April 3 2013 23: 51
      "Orange" and nationalists too. The result acquires the force of a law of direct action. Where will you wake up tomorrow - guess! tongue
    4. Misantrop
      +1
      April 4 2013 01: 17
      Quote: Axel
      It’s easier to hold a referendum on the CU or the European Union and close the issue (pensioners and communists are not allowed to participate in the referendum)

      Then it’s easier not to allow anyone in at all (what if they change their mind and check the wrong box?) Simply announce that the referendum has already taken place, and it was unanimously decided to go to Europe laughing
  66. a jacket
    0
    April 4 2013 00: 03
    Quote: Kasym
    Good evening (it's night here)

    Good night to you too! Please tell me, dear Kasym, how are you doing there at the Sokolovsko-Sorbaysky GOK. I went there very often on business trips. We fed from it for 6 years. Well, you liked our equipment. I still remember the night search for vodka in the city of Rudny (with all the ensuing consequences). We called the first version of the device AM-1. Magnetite analyzer first. We were told to change the name. The result was MV-3.
  67. Alexan
    +1
    April 4 2013 01: 13
    Quote: Kars
    The S-300PS anti-aircraft missile system recently arrived at the Battle of Cherguvannya near Krimu

    It was funny to hear the statement of the general, who directly said on TV that during the exercises the “conditional task” was the violation of airspace by the Russian Federation.
    No more, no less - an “asymmetric response” to the adversary to the exercises conducted. Someone clearly doesn’t have an overabundance of brains!
  68. +4
    April 4 2013 07: 38
    Guys, of course, don’t be offended, but since Russia protects its friends, starting with Yugoslavia, and ending with Libya and Syria, who were frankly handed over to be torn apart and still somehow want to live, that’s why there is this multi-vector nature and, frankly speaking, it’s not very good for you that’s what I want, and I don’t even want to go to Europe, so the current state of affairs is quite natural.....
  69. -1
    April 4 2013 10: 02
    Quote: Vovka Levka

    In Ukraine, everything is simple.

    The powers that be do not want to go to Russia, because there they will put in place quickly. It will be keeping quiet. They will squeeze the eggs and take away the capital.

    I would like to go to Europe, the reason is simple, so they stole that the economy is an ass. But the problem is that no one in Europe will tolerate the "concept".

    So rushing around.


    Golden words!
    a big plus for you +
  70. -3
    April 4 2013 10: 05
    An American Frenchman and a crest were captured by cannibals. Well, that's what they tell them
    - we won’t eat you in 2 cases:
    1. ransom for 1 million bucks
    2. if you fuck our entire tribe

    Well, I called the Federal Reserve Service and they printed some bucks - he paid off. The cannibals tore the butt off the Frenchman with the whole tribe and released him satisfied. The Baku guys had it in their stash, but he looked at the Frenchman and thought, well, the coolie should get stronger and also decided to kick him in the ass. The first cannibal tore him off - the crest is silent, the second cannibal tore him off - the crest is fastened and is silent, on the 3rd cannibal the crest begged: STOP, STOP I CAN’T ANYMORE, TAKE THE LAM BUCKS AND LET GO
    1. gladiatorakz
      +1
      April 4 2013 11: 13
      Quote: Smoke
      An American Frenchman and a crest were captured by cannibals.

      Eh, it’s a pity that you don’t tell me this joke in person. We'd laugh... laughing to tears.
      1. -3
        April 4 2013 11: 18
        heh... dude, your mustache has come unglued
  71. Petr_Sever
    -1
    April 4 2013 12: 23
    And if you think like that, why the hell do we, Ukraine, need rapprochement with the Russian Federation?

    You are as good as milk from a goat.
    Add your problems to our corruption, your imperial show-offs -
    Who in their right mind needs that?

    Somehow you puff out your cheeks there and worry about the fate of all kinds of Khachiks in Syria - personally, it didn’t bother me, your complexes are “heirs of the USSR”)))

    bgg, for starters, it would be better to solve your original problems with theft,
    drunkenness and roads, and then trying to show off on the world stage, clowns...
    1. 0
      April 4 2013 13: 36
      1) bgg, for starters, it would be better to solve your original problems with theft
      And did they purchase them from you? They cut up factories for scrap metal, even cut off live wires just to hand them over, the mayors are notorious thieves.
      2) drunkenness
      so even in a remote village you have beer kettles from which idle youngsters drink away their parents’ pitiful pension until the morning
      3) well, as for the roads, it’s better to be silent, your roads seem to be bombed every year, it’s impossible to drive through your Severodonetsk, and if it also rains, then row.
      So look at the clowns with show-offs and ambitions in your mirror
      1. Conepatus
        -2
        April 4 2013 16: 19
        But you are comparing villages in vain. Your villages will grow and grow before ours. (exemplary examples don’t count) In our villages, almost everyone has a cow, a wild boar, chickens. In addition, they raise a bull for sale. And there are 3-4 vegetable gardens of 12 acres. And these are not the most prosperous owners..
  72. Petr_Sever
    0
    April 4 2013 15: 19
    haha, like “Themselves are fools” shole.
    Well, purely kindergarten, by God.

    So why the heck should we make one common pile out of 2 heaps of shit?
    to add yours to your own problems?
    are you friends with your head?

    It’s better then to reach out to someone more decently - it’s clear that no one is waiting in the EU, but at least move in their direction, try to do something.

    and you continue to build nuclear missile carriers and solve Syrian problems. To me, the average man in the street, these show-off rattles didn’t even bother me.
    1. 0
      April 4 2013 15: 55
      Well, finally, you have given yourself the definition of “the average (not even the statistically average) man in the street” and your minus rating only confirms this. So, having discussions with such people is a waste of time. You poke around in your own shit yourself and don’t be responsible for the rest the people of your country. It is better to carefully read the comments of your compatriots who have a more educated mind and life experience.
    2. Conepatus
      -1
      April 4 2013 16: 25
      Who is more respectable? Europe with its unconventional orientation? Fuck it. I want to come to Europe as a tourist, or in armor with a machine gun. There cannot be a third option.
  73. +1
    April 4 2013 16: 39
    Quote: xan
    Quote: anton107798
    Yes, there is a percentage of people who cannot imagine themselves without Russia ... But they are negligible. compared to those who want to live without joining any unions. Especially youth.

    let the youth grow up and figure out how to make money, not grind it with your tongue.

    Throughout Russia, many Ukrainians work a little less than Tajiks and Uzbeks, and at the same time they still manage to dislike Russians. I personally have seen their “kind” attitude more than once. But Ukraine is larger than Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and the territory of Russia is large, there will be enough space for everyone if they still receive Russian passports.....
    1. Petr_Sever
      -1
      April 4 2013 18: 49
      So why do you think they don’t massively strive to get the blessed
      passport of the Russian Federation? You have heaven on earth there and with your vehicle you so persistently want to benefit the stupid people who have had this happen to them
      "happiness"?
      But they are not being led by luck, either the State Department is machinating, or Vitya Yanukovych is interfering...
      And somehow they vote for the “Russian Bloc” in elections, they don’t understand, right, VenDora?
    2. -1
      April 25 2013 23: 58
      VenDora Well, not all Ukrainians are like those who came to Russia to work. If you take a brigade of only Ukrainians, then I agree with you - all the workers of the brigade know Russian. But only one person communicates with Russians, other members of the brigade speak only the language, they ignore the Russian language. Or they pretend to be deaf.
      Well, where there are only a small number of Ukrainians in the brigade, they are forced (some) to hide their “good” attitude towards the Russians.

      Partly, the fact is that a decent number of Ukrainians still believe that Russia is obliged to supply the outskirts with gas and oil products free of charge.
  74. Petr_Sever
    -3
    April 4 2013 18: 34
    Yes, MChPV, that’s right, exactly the average person.

    You know, somehow I don’t have Russian complexes about
    “restoring the power of the empire”, “world influence”, etc.
    I want to live in a normal country, where everything is adapted for a comfortable
    life of the “little man”, and not puff out his cheeks, show off and arrange the fate of the Syrian beggars.

    Do you know what the difference is between us?
    The government shits on our heads equally, in Ukraine and in the Russian Federation, only
    You perceive all this with delight, unlike me, well, come on, you have the “Russian Idea”, you probably sleep and see the restored USSR?
    It's a personal matter. Just stick to the tanks and spread influence somehow yourself.
    There is no need to encourage us into such dubious entertainment.
    There are no fools.
  75. -1
    April 4 2013 19: 10
    Before you go anywhere, you need to become a seasoned boar at home, only if we can...
  76. +3
    April 4 2013 20: 56
    I'm tired of proving to us the prospects and benefits of an alliance between our countries....they see some kind of imperialism everywhere....they want to serve as Europe's slaves and tidy up their outhouses - a flag in their hands and a drum around their necks.
    1. Petr_Sever
      -4
      April 4 2013 21: 01
      Do you know, dear, no one is willing to join a truly good business?
      it won’t. This vehicle of yours is akin to advertising scams on the Internet about how a 12-year-old
      the boy earns $600 a day. Or like Amway and Oriflame - it’s profitable, it’s profitable, but who cares...
      1. +2
        April 4 2013 21: 09
        okay...then don’t ask for everything ready
  77. +1
    April 4 2013 22: 26
    Quote: Conepatus
    The Ukrainian economy is no longer tailored to anything. Something cannot be tailored to something, if this something simply does not exist.
    By the way ...
    Quote: Conepatus
    Nonsense. The people of Ukraine still want to work, the trouble is that during the entire period of independence, it was more profitable for the authorities to destroy production and sell everything in parts, or as scrap.

    I apologize wildly, I didn’t want to offend anyone, but I didn’t mean the entire people of Ukraine, but you know who...
    1. Petr_Sever
      -1
      April 4 2013 23: 04
      “Something cannot be tailored for something, if this something simply does not exist.
      By the way..."
      I understand that wishful thinking is nice, but it gives
      a person who does this kind of thing has a certain feebleness of mind, bordering on other defects of mental development.
      Especially if it is not supported by at least some statistical documents.

      However, you probably simply won’t understand what kind of documents we are talking about.
      1. Conepatus
        -2
        April 4 2013 23: 23
        Do you understand what you are writing?
        In the city where I live, there were 6 large factories. Now all that’s left of them is a fence, and that’s not everywhere. Why do I need any documents if everything is clearly visible without them?
        1. Petr_Sever
          -2
          April 5 2013 00: 05
          I understand everything perfectly. Nothing stops me from writing what’s in my city
          10 new industrial giants opened. I also have hands and a keyboard. Where you personally live and what you look at is entirely your problem. Data from the State Statistics Committee, or stop gasifying puddles.
  78. Hius-124
    +1
    April 4 2013 22: 33
    Are you all still awake here? laughing
  79. 0
    April 4 2013 23: 48
    Quote: anton107798
    How I like to read Russian articles! It seems to be accused of all mortal sins, but at the end of the article they nevertheless make an innocent appearance and say, all problems should be solved only by reaching out to Moscow!

    experience is a stubborn thing, i.e. as a fact

    There was a time Ukrainian cosmonauts flew into orbit, rockets were among the most reliable in the world, engineers built aircraft that still have no equal in the world.....there was a time
    Europe - and all its colonies, in all centuries, for the sake of money and profit, only devastated their colonies, China in the 19th century got hooked on drugs so that in China there is still a bullet in the back of the head if drugs are found
    Ukraine flourished under the Soviet Union.
    in the foreseeable future there will not be even a shadow of such greatness
    look at the statistics, how many power plants were at least built under the conscience of the government and over what period - today such breakthroughs are simply not possible, and by the way, when they built the Dneproges - the Americans worked there as guest workers
    how much coal, wheat and everything else was there? where is it? where is your red excavator, without which not a single construction site in the entire union could be completed, and the enterprise was the head one in the production association
    -and to you - all the damned are to blame
  80. Petr_Sever
    0
    April 5 2013 00: 09
    "Americans worked there as guest workers"

    handsome...was it like they stirred the mortar with a shovel or transported the soil in wheelbarrows?

    Or maybe, after all, they supervised the workers and the construction site?
    Don’t confuse your reproductive organ with your finger, don’t.

    okay, so you want to say that by joining the CU we will instantly receive
    all those good things that Ukraine had during the Soviet Union?
    Oh well..
  81. Misantrop
    +2
    April 5 2013 00: 32
    Quote: Petr_Sever
    okay, so you want to say that by joining the CU we will instantly receive
    all those good things that Ukraine had during the Soviet Union?
    For now, Ukrainians dream of a full set of European goodies. Moreover, for no reason and on the second morning after joining... lol
    1. Petr_Sever
      0
      April 5 2013 00: 39
      "And - for no reason and on the second morning after joining..."

      Personally, for example, I don’t think that joining the EU is 100%
      necessary. Switzerland and Norway are not members of it and live nothing, don’t give a damn. But you have to go in this direction, strive to meet the standards for acceptance, just strive to reach some level. And all these SES, CU and the like are frankly empty and crap.
      I’ll say it again - they don’t persuade you to join a good business, but in Oriflame and Avon they almost pull you by the hand - well, for comparison.
  82. Misantrop
    +1
    April 5 2013 09: 03
    Quote: Petr_Sever
    They don’t persuade you to join a good business, but they almost pull you by the hand to join Oriflame and Avon

    What is the IMF doing, twisting the government's arms? And what about the ambassadors of the USA, Small Britons, etc.? Is it their task to dictate to the cabinet of ministers? sovereign countries, what and in what order must be done? Are they ambassadors or governors?
    Quote: Petr_Sever
    you have to strive to meet the standards for acceptance, just strive to reach some level
    What? In the recognition of sexual minorities, the introduction of juvenile justice? Everything else simply requires GIANT money, which is simply NOT available in the country. And without this they simply won’t be allowed into the European Union, don’t deceive yourself
    1. Petr_Sever
      +1
      April 5 2013 13: 41
      "What is the IMF doing, twisting the government's arms?"
      Should we understand that they are trying to persuade you to take out another loan?

      “Is it their task to dictate to the cabinet of ministers of a sovereign country what should be done and in what order?”
      But for God’s sake, don’t take out a loan and no one will dictate anything.
      It’s like the bearded man’s saying about eating a fish and not wanting to sit down
      on MPH, right?

      "Everything else simply requires GIANT money, which is simply NOT in the country."
      Oga, and after joining the Customs Union, will it just rain on Ukraine in the form of multi-billion dollar investments from the Russian Federation? Do you seriously think so, or do you just think those around you are idiots?
      1. +4
        April 5 2013 17: 01
        FORUM MEMBERS!!!


        Towards the "offense"!

        Who will give a sensible explanation of “What did they promise V. Yanukovych that he just lost it?”

        Relate this with the “strange” quirks of Uzbeks and Tajiks, season it with “hot Syrian sauce”, don’t forget about the dessert in the form of Cyprus, as well as Korean “folk” games....

        Why Ukraine doesn’t want to join the Customs Union is no longer interesting, now it’s their headache. The Rubicon has not yet been crossed, but the crossing is being made...

        Best regards
        hi
      2. Misantrop
        +3
        April 5 2013 19: 47
        Quote: Petr_Sever
        Do you just think those around you are idiots?

        Who else should we consider after the idiotic arguments? request First, read the list of requirements for Ukraine to join the EEC. And estimate the amount it will cost. Do you have it and are you ready to part with it?
        Quote: Petr_Sever
        don’t take out a loan and no one will dictate anything
        And where to repay the debts on loans previously accrued by Yushchenko, Tymoshenko and others like them? Pay it off, then you won’t need new loans. Ready to open your wallet? wink
        Quote: Petr_Sever
        Oga, and after joining the Customs Union, will it just rain on Ukraine in the form of multi-billion dollar investments from the Russian Federation?
        Not at all. All it takes is the elimination of customs markups, which currently double the price of Ukrainian goods for Russian consumers. Accordingly, demand will increase. If this is not money for you, then are you, by any chance, Rinat Akhmetov? What are you going to trade with the European Union, prostitutes? Almost the only Ukrainian product that is in stable demand there
      3. +1
        April 8 2013 16: 07
        Nope, it won't spill. But Ukrainians will have the opportunity to earn money themselves. In a market convenient for them, which does not require them to buy half of the government to gain access. systems.
        And dreams of quick goodies are left to the rosy-cheeked liberals of the 90s. It's time to understand that prosperity doesn't just come tomorrow.
  83. +2
    April 5 2013 16: 54
    Russia needs to help the Ukrainian people elect a President of Ukraine who would express the interests of the people and not a bunch of oligarchs...
  84. -2
    April 7 2013 08: 58
    Quote: erased
    Is it going to split the country?


    divide and conquer... and it’s easier to do your business in troubled waters
  85. +1
    April 7 2013 11: 29
    Quote: Petr_Sever
    handsome...was it like they stirred the mortar with a shovel or transported the soil in wheelbarrows?

    Or maybe, after all, they supervised the workers and the construction site?
    Don’t confuse your reproductive organ with your finger, don’t.

    okay, so you want to say that by joining the CU we will instantly receive
    all those good things that Ukraine had during the Soviet Union?


    and the concrete was stirred and supervised!!!, but who was the CUSTOMER OF THE WORK? Soviet Ukraine
    and now they are leading you, and they only think about divergences and not about improving the lives of the people


    As for the EEC or the Customs Union, the first will destroy industry and make you an agricultural country, for which more than 40 million is a luxury
    and the CU, in principle, is also not needed, and if it is needed, then at least it does not pretend to abolish the remnants of industry, nuclear power plants, the nomenclature for the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation, and in general, if not everything has been released yet, the CU does not plan to interfere in the legislation of a sovereign state!!!
    and there is an excellent example for all this - Belarus, compare the figures: GDP, population, share of industry, foreign trade balance, etc. ...

    listen to you - European integration is only about getting the advantages of Western life
    Have you been to Brussels? did you communicate with the people there? I talked - for them, both you and I are savages of the 3rd class, a working platform for our income - these are their interests, and it’s not like your standard of living is like theirs
  86. Sashko07
    -3
    April 7 2013 17: 44
    Quote: Quiet
    In Ukraine ???????

    Maybe in Ukraine ?? hi


    They usually send “NA”, but when they talk about a country they write and say “B”, we don’t speak Russia or Kazakhstan. We respect you, you respect us too hi
    1. Quiet
      +2
      April 7 2013 20: 25
      Here they don’t even send “to” Kamchatka... In Ukraine (on the outskirts).... But they send not only “to”, but also “to”... hi
      1. Sashko07
        -2
        April 7 2013 22: 27
        Okay, Belarus is also a suburb, why don’t you speak Belarus?
        1. +1
          April 8 2013 15: 53
          You know, there is a language of diplomatic protocol. There they write “to Ukraine”. And there is the Russian language of free communication, in which the norm “to Ukraine” is enshrined. What's the point of being offended by language norms? The Russians do not make any claims to the Britons for the hiss in the name of our country :)
  87. +2
    April 7 2013 18: 08
    There are normal people in Ukraine, but there are such Ukrainians... lol
  88. Quiet
    0
    April 7 2013 20: 23
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Quiet
    I wonder how much Ukraine is now able to mobilize "under the gun" ???
    I can't say for sure "in case of mobilization", but in the penultimate spring draft (the last one will be in the fall) - it is planned to recruit 13.900 people, this is for all the Armed Forces + Internal Troops + State Special Transport Service. They will not be drafted into the airborne troops and the Navy - there are contract soldiers. For comparison, in the spring of 2012, 21400 people were drafted.

    Thanks !! hi Well, what's left of 1 mil. groupings in the bottom line??
  89. 0
    April 8 2013 06: 43
    Quote: Sashko07
    They usually send “NA”, but when they talk about a country they write and say “B”, we don’t speak Russia or Kazakhstan. We respect you, you respect us too hi


    And Sevastopol IN Crimea? or in Crimea?

    In general, all states are “B”, and territories, islands, peninsulas are “NA”
    But somehow it happened, Ukraine was given an EXCLUSIVE RIGHT, an exception to the rule or something,
    I personally don’t consider this a humiliation or an insult - I was taught this at school: “In Ukraine”
  90. 0
    April 8 2013 06: 47
    Quote: Sashko07
    They usually send “NA”, but when they talk about a country they write and say “B”, we don’t speak Russia or Kazakhstan. We respect you, you respect us too hi


    And Sevastopol IN Crimea? or in Crimea?

    In general, I don’t consider “In Ukraine” an insult or humiliation - that’s what they taught me at school
    all states are “B”, and islands and territories are “ON”
    YOU were given a wonderful thing - an exception to the rule - an exclusive thing, and you shy away from it and are offended, instead of being proud
  91. as3wresdf
    0
    April 8 2013 10: 02
    The base of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of all citizens of the Russian Federation on this site twitlink.ws/baza and the main thing was done as if to search for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us: correspondence with friends, addresses, phones, place of work, and the worst thing is even mine nudity photo (though I do not know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data" of course I used it and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
  92. LAO
    LAO
    -4
    April 8 2013 18: 06
    Why is Russia so worried about Ukraine? Do you really have enough grief of your own? Why these opuses on a Ukrainian theme - look at yourself - you are full of shit too! Write about yourself.
    Why should we unite so that Muscovites can once again say their favorite thing: “If they take it away from everyone, they will give it back to us!” - I'm tired of it! For 70 years we went to Moscow to buy clothes and food, and Muscovites looked at everyone with contempt and said “bag slingers, Moscow is being robbed.” There is a widespread shortage in the country, and people are on the verge of starvation (the stores are empty, and the butcher is the “king of the jungle”). Three-kilometer queues for meat and sausage - a kilogram per person. The line for shops started at 4 o'clock in the morning. At this time, Muscovites were "fatten" and rude to visitors! This is a feast during the plague! There will be no repetition. The Russian Empire always did not care about its subjects - even under tsarism, even under socialism, the political system has nothing to do with it - this has always been the case (so many examples can be given that it will take more than one hour of work).
    Someone wants to turn off the gas - turn it off. Let's learn to save money faster, switch to coal, start producing our own gas - we'll get out.
    “You and I have turned over this page of the calendar and everyone will live their own destiny...”
    1. 0
      April 8 2013 18: 22
      Quote: LAO
      For 70 years we went to Moscow to buy clothes and groceries, and Muscovites looked at everyone with contempt and said “bag men,

      Xnumx years? belay To Moscow for clothes? belay "Don't tell my slippers"!!!
      And do not confuse the Russian people and all of Russia with Muscovites!
    2. +1
      April 9 2013 01: 50
      Quote: LAO
      Three-kilometer queues for meat and sausage - one kilogram per person. People lined up at the shops at 4 o'clock in the morning. At this time, Muscovites were "fatten" and rude to visitors! This is a feast during the plague!


      yes it happened... some went to Moscow... and some went to St. Petersburg, but everywhere it was the same thing (there were exceptions)
      yes ... that Muscovites ... that St. Petersburg people were rude and rude. Sometimes the saleswomen themselves stood up for the visitors

      Good com "+"
  93. afpaz
    +3
    April 8 2013 19: 27
    Indeed, a lot about Ukraine. Let them be associated with the EU, otherwise all the Polish plumbers in England, the places have become vacant, will be at the level of Albanians or Moroccans, but I think there is no chance of rising to the level of Bulgaria or Romania. And Russia will have to invest in the expansion not of the Ukrainian, but of its own metallurgy, rolled metal and aircraft industries. There probably won’t be any engineers, skilled workers and beautiful women left in Ukraine, but the country is big, there will soon be 30-35 million, they can handle it. I just feel sorry for my relatives, classmates, and even normal Ukrainians. Okay, they'll figure it out themselves.
    1. 0
      April 9 2013 14: 11
      They will ruin their fools. Crimea to the Tatars, south-west to the Romanians, north-west to the Poles. And there are also Hungarians there... You can’t abandon them. Let them now resist out of thoughtlessness. This propaganda has made idiots out of people like LAO. They will see the light. Sooner or later They will realize late that no one needs them anymore, and it’s not in anyone’s interest to (really) leave them independent.
      And to the point: I didn’t see something in the queues for Kiev residents’ clothes. I saw the entire Russian periphery, but not the Kiev residents. And I will say for sure that Ukraine lived in Soviet times, in relation to the same Russian non-Black Earth region in abundance and satiety. So This is just a myth. A product of mass technology with the label - made in the USA.
  94. -1
    April 8 2013 23: 20
    Quote: LAO
    Why is Russia so worried about Ukraine? Do you really have enough grief of your own? Why these opuses on a Ukrainian theme - look at yourself - you are full of shit too! Write about yourself.
    Why should we unite so that Muscovites can once again say their favorite thing: “If they take it away from everyone, they will give it back to us!” - I'm tired of it! For 70 years we went to Moscow to buy clothes and food, and Muscovites looked at everyone with contempt and said, “bag runners, they are robbing Moscow.”


    And I remember from my youth - I came to visit my relatives in Kiev - my dear mother - it’s like heaven, they sell kvass, boiled sausage - there is, there is lemonade, there is ice cream, Pepsicola!, the planetarium - apples - THEY ARE LAYING ON THE GROUND UNDER THE TREES
    they brought sneakers from Kyiv, books from Kiev - my father stuffed his suitcase...

    and now I’m thinking - why the hell did my ancestors build that BAM? Why the hell did they mine those diamonds? so that they are processed in Kyiv at Kristall, if I’m not mistaken
    - and you’re all being damned
  95. +2
    April 9 2013 12: 38
    If it comes to unification or something like that, the MAIN MAIN thing is not to join the WESTERNS, otherwise the whole country will again shout that they are feeding us.
  96. +1
    April 9 2013 13: 54
    Only a few countries in the world actually pursue an independent foreign policy, Ukraine is not one of them, and Russia first entered this number under Putin’s rule and is constantly proving something, defending itself on all fronts from attacks by the US empire and its closest satellites.
  97. -2
    April 9 2013 20: 21
    Quote: anton107798
    But it won’t be long before the new generation looks at you with incomprehension.


    Well, what are you babbling about?
    Judging from what is written Fidget....ha, yes, she has a lot of friends and acquaintances who always remember her with respect, and will always remember her. And there will always be a person who will explain to the “lost soul” who Egoza is.
    Please don't touch your parents
  98. -1
    April 18 2013 22: 04
    Quote: nod739
    and you're all being damned


    well, you know...it’s natural (for a Ukrainian)! Don’t pay attention... elementary outskirts gluttony... what if they don’t give it to you later? laughing

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