Tanks for the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be built at European car factories

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Tanks for the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be built at European car factories


Impoverished automakers


The huge financial losses of European automakers have long been no secret to anyone. The first to suffer was the VW concern, forced to lay off at least 35 thousand workers. The Germans got off easy - the plans were to close three car factories at once. But the enterprises were left, but the employees will have to be fired. As a result, the production range will be reduced with a simultaneous increase in the price of manufactured equipment. Volkswagen Group, which includes Bentley, Audi, Lamborghini, Skoda, Bugatti, Porsche, is far from the only one that has faced a drop in sales. Mercedes-Benz (-3,7 percent for 2024), BMW (-2,3 percent) suffered from the reduction in demand to one degree or another, Mini fell by 17 percent, Jaguar by 8 percent. The list can go on for a long time.



The reason for such a deplorable situation for Europeans was a whole bunch of problems. First, industry was disconnected from cheap Russian gas. It didn’t hurt right away, but over time everything around became more expensive – from the cost of electricity to highly processed products. That is, all machine-building components began to cost a pretty penny, or more precisely, a eurocent. In certain circumstances, this could be tolerated – Europeans have always had a sufficient layer of fat.

But at the same time, an economic war with China began, against which prohibitive duties were introduced. Europeans were afraid of high-quality and inexpensive electric cars made in China. And not in vain. Electric cars, even with draconian duties, were relatively inexpensive, but in the domestic market of the PRC, they did not stand on ceremony with European brands. Some brands simply went downhill - Porsche last year lost 19 percent of its 2023 sales volumes, and in the first quarter of this year the decline was almost 50 percent.


The next blow was dealt by the skillful Donald Trump. By imposing duties on everyone around, he effectively closed the American market to European branded goods. Audi stopped supplying cars to the United States immediately after the restrictions were announced. The Germans rightly calculated that a 20-30 percent markup would make the brand uncompetitive. Trump seemed to back down and announced a 90-day moratorium, leaving 10 percent duties for everyone except China. China is entitled to 125 percent protective levies.

All of the above raises one big question: how does Europe intend to replace the released production capacity? Even a 10 percent reduction in sales volumes for some concerns will lead to emptying of workshops, and even factories. Thousands, if not tens of thousands of workers will have to live on unemployment benefits. And here we are seeing a counter movement. European arms concerns, for example, Rheinmetall, have been unable to get their own production going for the last three years. To meet the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, of course. The reason is simple: no one is ready to invest hundreds of millions in expanding production when the European Union occasionally makes peace with Russia. And the arms manufacturers will be left with loans and absolutely no orders. The impoverished car manufacturers turned up here at the perfect time.

Porsche Tigers


First with weapons The reporters married Porsche to concerns. They say that the German manufacturer is doing so badly that its management is ready to switch to production tanks. History turned out funny. Porsche has a "glorious" history of producing military equipment for the Third Reich. Ferdinand Porsche, as is known, was Adolf Hitler's favorite designer and even claimed a contract to produce heavy tanks for the Wehrmacht. The German overdid it a bit with the transmission, and the "Tiger" from Henschel-Werke went into production.

Our soldiers got acquainted with the creations of Ferdinand Porsche at the Kursk Bulge - these were the Elephant self-propelled guns, created on the platform of "electromechanical" tanks. It is possible that the history of German tank building will repeat itself in 2025. Moreover, Porsche previously participated in the development of a tank for the Bundeswehr. This was the first Leopard. Hands, as they say, remember.

But there are a few nuances. First, producing cars, especially high-tech ones like Porsche, is not the same as assembling tanks. We will have to clear the production shops of conveyors and install gantry cranes. In general, simplify the lines. How financially justified this is, we still have to calculate. Isn't it easier to lease the space to some Chinese manufacturer and passively skim the cream?

But that's not all. Porsche cannot afford to recall its weapons past a second time. The brand has a fairly strong and clear image in the world, and it is not connected with weapons at all. How much will the brand's sales collapse when the rich "pacifists" learn about the dark side of Porsche? The question is rhetorical, so Christoph Zemelka, a representative of the company, urgently assured:

"I can refute the statement that 'Porsche SE will produce tanks again' quite definitely and unequivocally."

Therefore, the Germans will work subtly.


It is not at all necessary to set up tank production directly under the Porsche signboard. There are a huge number of related companies, many of which are quite large enterprises. They can afford to re-profile for the assembly line assembly of Leopard. The missing workers will be transferred from VW and Porsche factories. And the sheep are safe, and the wolves are fed. And all the legal subtleties with the involvement of automakers in the production of tanks and other military equipment will be settled by full-time lawyers.

Alternatively, civilian equipment will be adapted for the needs of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. The same MAN (part of the VW empire) has enough heavy and all-wheel drive trucks, which can be relatively easily converted into armored vehicles. In this case, even the conveyor production will not have to be demolished.

But this takes time. Secretly re-qualifying a component or even an automobile plant to meet the needs of the German military will take time. Another question is, what if we organize the production of something armored, but similar to cars? This is exactly what Rheinmetall chief Armin Papperger thought and demanded that the Volkswagen plant in Osnabrück start producing armored cabins.

For now, the Germans are resisting, not wanting to spoil their karma with military equipment. But hunger is not an aunt, and if the situation worsens, VW will go into tank building. Of course, before that, the public will be thoroughly warmed up by the poor and unfortunate Armed Forces of Ukraine, which have few German tanks. The Russians will have another reason to boycott German car brands if they nevertheless wish to return to the Russian market. However, it is very difficult to believe in such responsibility on the part of our fellow citizens.
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  1. +9
    April 11 2025 05: 49
    They can afford to re-profile for the assembly of Leopards on a slipway.

    Nonsense. Modern automobile and tank production differ slightly less than radically. It's not like assembling T-70s at GAZ during the war.
    1. 0
      April 13 2025 00: 20
      Modern automobile and tank production differ
      That's right. Tanks are more backward and resource-intensive.
      1. +2
        April 13 2025 03: 26
        Quote from barbos
        That's right. Tanks are more backward and resource-intensive.

        Working with a tin can, or even a plate, but a sheet of armor steel - the difference is like heaven and earth. And stuffing a tin can with electronics - it doesn't take much brains.
        1. -1
          April 27 2025 18: 28
          And to stuff a tin can with electronics doesn't require much intelligence
          What's so exotic about the electronics in the tank? The only thing that's really high-tech is the radio station. If there's anything more sophisticated, tell us.
          1. 0
            April 28 2025 04: 04
            Quote from barbos
            If there is something more sophisticated, please tell me.

            Can you tell me what is so sophisticated about modern auto parts, besides electronics?
            1. -1
              4 May 2025 00: 25
              Can you tell me what is so sophisticated about modern auto parts, besides electronics?

              1 Engines. With an incomparably greater engine life, they have a much greater power-to-weight ratio relative to their volume.
              2 Automatic transmission (variators, planetary gears, robots)
              3 Safety systems, both passive (separately reinforced and separately crushable body elements) and active (airbags, shock-absorbing seats, stability control systems).
              4 Comfort systems: heating of everything possible, climate control, even cooled glove boxes (a new feature of AvtoVAZ).
              5 Composite materials to reduce vehicle weight.
              6 Review. The windows have become larger and the number of blind spots has decreased. I won't even mention the panoramic glazing. What can tankers see from what's going on above their heads while in the turret?
              7 Comfort of boarding and disembarking. Despite the fact that the doors of modern cars are stuffed with electrics, electronics, and in some models additional rigidity elements, they open and close quite easily and at a large angle, despite their size.
              What's new in tanks this millennium? Did they add a second gun?
              1. 0
                4 May 2025 08: 30
                What a shame. How gifted and technically illiterate do you have to be to imagine all this as some kind of breakthrough?
                Which is still provided by electronics.
                Tanks have engines with a thousand or more horsepower, which ensure the movement of several tens of tons off-road, in conditions of jerks and braking with limited dimensions of the MTO.
                The transmission and suspension that have to withstand all of this, the tracks that endure all of this.
                Gun stabilization systems that must hold not only a gun weighing a couple of tons, but also a turret weighing ten or more tons on the move with high precision.
                The barrel itself, which must withstand several thousand shots under the highest pressure and temperatures.
                Optronics, which should provide gun guidance and data output for hitting a moving target on the move at a distance of a couple of kilometers, day and night, and in fog.
                Technical vision systems, active protection systems, DZ blocks, the armor itself, which must be welded and rolled without defects, which must be assembled into a hull without losing geometry and protective properties is very difficult.
                Even the automatic fire extinguishing system, which should not react to the cumulative jet, but should be triggered by a fire.
                Even an old tank from the past will be more expensive and more difficult to produce than a pile of tin of equal mass, albeit a representative class one.
                Heated glove compartment, ugh...
                1. 0
                  9 May 2025 23: 33
                  What a shame. How gifted and technically illiterate do you have to be to imagine all this as some kind of breakthrough?
                  Strongly agree with you!

                  Which is still provided by electronics.
                  Will there be any real examples of electronics other than the radio station, the barrel stabilization system on the target and the sighting devices?

                  Tanks have engines with a thousand or more horsepower, which ensure the movement of several tens of tons off-road, in conditions of jerks and braking with limited dimensions of the MTO.
                  Throw in some links to cars with similar horsepower? Finish it off with a description of Formula 1 racing car engines? A little chip tuning and nitro injection allow you to get such numbers even on VAZs.

                  The transmission and suspension that have to withstand all of this, the tracks that endure all of this.
                  Tracks made of high-alloy grades of corrosion-resistant steel and an adaptable suspension, like on many foreign cars that are not at all in the luxury segment?

                  Gun stabilization systems that must hold not only a gun weighing a couple of tons, but also a turret weighing ten or more tons on the move with high precision.
                  The development comes from the last century based on the KR580 processor. It is not more complicated, in the word, than the system of course stability (cruise control).

                  Optronics, which should provide gun guidance and data output for hitting a moving target on the move at a distance of a couple of kilometers, day and night, and in fog.
                  How much more complex is it than a video camera system (360-degree coverage) with the ability to recognize images and predict traffic situations in the same Tesla autopilot? Just so you know, Tesla has been producing its own neuromorphic chips for this purpose for about a decade now, according to technological standards that we don’t have anywhere in the country. At all. Not even in the military. We don’t have such lithographs and we don’t expect to have any in the next five years. At the same time, the system allows you to recognize images around the vehicle and make decisions in real time. What automatic system in a tank does image recognition and target selection with 360-degree coverage? Which one after tank school?

                  the armor itself, which must be welded and rolled without defects, and which must be assembled into a hull without losing its geometry and protective properties, is quite difficult.
                  What is so difficult about processing armor alloys? Are they as capricious to weld as corrosion-resistant steel grades or are they more difficult to weld than aluminum, which will be subject to strong mechanical loads? Remind me, what tolerances are used for welding armor plates? Why is there such a discrepancy that when marrying the turret to the chassis, here and there it is necessary to adjust it on a hydraulic stand?

                  Even the automatic fire extinguishing system, which should not react to the cumulative jet, but should be triggered by a fire.
                  Well, firstly, it works just as well as the powder gas ventilation system (which can be seen in the reports). Secondly, how is it more complicated than the pedestrian protection system in an accident? After all, such a system must not only protect passengers, but also minimize harm to the pedestrian.

                  Even an old tank from the past will be more expensive and more difficult to produce than a pile of tin of equal mass, albeit a representative class one.
                  The fact that almost any military vehicle is expensive does not mean that it is more complex and technologically advanced. For example: how much does an F1 racing car cost and how much does a modern tank cost? And why is a pile of tin so much more expensive than an ultra-light, super-maneuverable racing car, stuffed with modern electronics and made of composite materials originally from military jet aviation?
                  The fact that military production is full of costs and losses (we and our overseas sworn friends periodically have scandals about embezzlement and overpricing) does not mean at all that there is something extremely unique and unattainable in the civilian sector. The current state of affairs in the SVO proves the opposite - the battlefield is ruled by civilian drones, the tank has been re-qualified as an artillery mount for firing from closed positions. How much help does it get in this matter from barrel stabilization on a moving target, a powerful engine, tracks, active protection systems, DZ blocks, the armor itself? All this is nullified by a fairly cheap flying toy from an online store.

                  The barrel itself, which must withstand several thousand shots under the highest pressure and temperatures.
                  How many countries on the planet produce such barrels and how many countries on the planet have their own working lithography at the 45 nm level (very civil sector)? Of the NATO countries, only the United States can do this, of the BRICS countries, only China can more or less produce lithography according to such technological standards. And how many NATO and BRICS countries can and do produce artillery barrels? There will be significantly more than two countries. The barrel is not that complicated.
                  1. 0
                    10 May 2025 05: 56
                    Quote from barbos
                    Can you provide links to passenger cars with a similar amount of horsepower?
                    Oh, this is exclusive knowledge, rare.
                    The fact that a tank engine must pull 40 or more tons, and in a temperature range from -40 to +40, being in an extremely limited volume, has been whistling past you more than once. How many tons does Formula One pull, 40 or less? And are the tracks very rocky or not? And how much does one racing car cost, I wonder.

                    Quote from barbos
                    How many countries on the planet produce such guns and how many countries on the planet have their own working lithography at the 45 nm level (very much a civilian sector)?

                    This is simply insulting to a reasonable person... You are so gifted that you stubbornly consider the achievements of microelectronics to be the achievements of automobile manufacturing, and passenger car manufacturing at that.

                    We throw away the electronics, which by the way, should withstand EMI, and what is left in the end? Nothing, except stamped iron and twisted engines, which are not a fact that without microprocessors they will even work, let alone produce the specified characteristics.
                    1. 0
                      10 May 2025 19: 13
                      that a tank engine must carry 40 or more tons, and in a temperature range from -40 to +40, being in an extremely limited volume, has been whistling past you more than once.
                      We just look at the trucks that easily tow these tanks on trailers along public roads (because the engine and suspension of the tank will not last very long on a road of 1500-2000 km). What is special about the engine of the trucks as opposed to the tank? Does the crankshaft rotate in the opposite direction?

                      and in the temperature range from -40 to +40
                      In general, it is a shame and disgrace for military equipment! To drive tank developers (victims of the Unified State Exam and computer games) with a club to retrain in railway universities, where they have long been designing equipment for temperature ranges from -60 to +60. These are ordinary (not military) locomotives that can pull trains weighing thousands of tons. And none of the railway workers beat themselves in the chest with their heels.

                      This is simply insulting to a reasonable person... You are so gifted that you stubbornly consider the achievements of microelectronics to be the achievements of automobile manufacturing, and passenger car manufacturing at that.
                      But a reasonable person can competently and logically explain where artillery barrels come from in passenger cars: The barrel itself, which must withstand several thousand shots under the highest pressure and temperatures.? Or is it something else?
                      Just as when writing about the hardships and privations of processing sheets and plates of armor steel, my hand did not tremble and no tears fell [Working with a tin can, and not even a plate, but a sheet of armor steel, is like working with heaven and earth.]? Our industry seems to have produced coordinate machines for arc cutting of steel plates about fifty years ago. You can also cut with a laser if cutting with an electric arc is not comme il faut.
                      Well, and you yourself started a story about how modern cars are tin cans stuffed with electronics [And what is so fancy, besides electronics, in modern tin cans, can you tell me?]

                      We throw away electronics, which, by the way, should withstand EMI, and what is left in the end?
                      So where is this promised EMP? Where??? Where is this EMP, without which all the vaunted tanks, hung from head to toe with nets, chains and barbecues, can only carry out a few shots from a closed position and then run away, so as not to get a response from a Dishman drone?
                      There is no EMP (if there was such a possibility, the Ukrainian side would definitely use it) and the tank becomes about as useful as a buggy with a mortar or SPG-9. With an incredible difference in the cost of production, delivery and maintenance.
                      How is a pile of scrap metal with a five-meter pipe better in today's combat operations than a high-cross-country pickup with a UAV crew? Because it burns and explodes more colorfully?

                      Nothing, except stamped iron and twisted engines, which are not a fact that they will work at all without microprocessors,
                      Tanks don't even have this! Some don't even have it)))
                      Some are still assembled almost by hand, like helicopters. With the same speed, quality (hello hydraulic stands that help with assembly of parts that are not quite the right size) and labor costs (how many fitters and how many hours does it take to lay a kilometer of cables in the T-90 turret?).
                      1. -1
                        11 May 2025 05: 22
                        Quote from barbos
                        We just look at the trucks that calmly tow these tanks on trailers along public roads (because the engine and suspension resources of the tank will not last very long on a road of 1500-2000 km).

                        And what about the acceleration and braking dynamics of these trucks, and what about the roads for these trucks, and what about the engine cooling for these trucks, and what about the permissible slopes? The properties of the soil?

                        Quote from barbos
                        railway universities, where they have long been designing equipment for temperature ranges from -60 to +60. These are ordinary (not military) locomotives that can pull trains weighing thousands of tons.
                        Roads, dynamic conditions and volumes for engines and cooling systems, what about them?

                        Quote from barbos
                        But a reasonable person can competently and logically explain where artillery barrels come from in passenger cars:

                        That is, what is not in cars, but is in tanks - is not interesting?
                        What about these words?
                        Quote from barbos
                        That's right. Tanks are more backward and resource-intensive.

                        Besides "resource-intensive", what is backward in a tank barrel? Just that it is not used in tin cans? And gas turbines, super maneuverability, etc., are also not used in tin cans - is aviation also backward?

                        Quote from barbos
                        Our industry seems to have produced coordinate machines for arc cutting of steel plates about fifty years ago. You can also cut with a laser if cutting with an electric arc is not comme il faut.

                        You are so alternatively gifted that you do not understand that this is an indicator of the required technological equipment for the industry.

                        Quote from barbos
                        So where is this promised EMI? Where??? Where is this EMI
                        EMI is about the resistance of electronics to the damaging factors of nuclear weapons.


                        Quote from barbos
                        the vaunted tanks, hung from head to toe with nets, chains and barbecues, can only fire a few shots from a closed position and then run away, so as not to get hit in return by a Dishman drone
                        You are not following the topic well, tanks with body kits are much more resistant to FPV than armored vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and especially cars with the same body kit. And it is tanks that lead attacks, cover and retreat against FPV. So it is not for you, with your alternative talent, to judge the role of tanks.

                        Quote from barbos
                        How is a pile of scrap metal with a five-meter pipe better in today's combat operations than a high-cross-country pickup truck with a UAV crew?
                        This is a question of tactics and combat with FPV calculations, where tactics are set, the tank is used for its intended purpose, like other equipment.

                        Quote from barbos
                        Some are still assembled almost by hand, like helicopters.
                        Is this such a reproach? What did you write about the Formula cars? About executive cars.
                        I understood your level, good luck.
                      2. 0
                        12 May 2025 01: 06
                        What about the acceleration and braking dynamics of these trucks, what about the roads for these trucks, what about the engine cooling for these trucks, what about the permissible slopes?
                        The acceleration dynamics and speed characteristics are such that they allow driving on public roads faster and much further with less engine power than tanks can afford.
                        Truck engines are cooled by liquid, just like tanks. They run on the same fuel as tanks. They even have the same operating principle. These are internal combustion engines. But the engine life of truck engines is tens of times longer.

                        Roads, dynamic conditions and volumes for engines and cooling systems, what about them?
                        Let's try to turn on our brains, think logically and ask ourselves the question: "How is this related to the climatic conditions of operation?"
                        Or, according to your logic, where it is below -40 or above +40, locomotives should fight, because tanks were not designed for such conditions?

                        That is, what is not in cars, but is in tanks - is not interesting?
                        Didn't you start the conversation that if you throw out electronics from cars, they will just be tin cans? So if you remove the gun from a tank, it will turn into a big heavy tractor with huge fuel consumption. How much war will you fight in that?

                        EMI is about the resistance of electronics to damaging factors of nuclear weapons
                        And what are the problems with the durability of electronics in simple civilian vehicles? Throw a video of lightning striking cars during a thunderstorm? It seems like people are alive and some vehicles start and drive. The EMP there is not small at all. It is clear that this is not the epicenter of a nuclear explosion, but not a single tank will survive in the epicenter. Or do yours personally survive?

                        You are not following the topic well, tanks with body kits are much more resistant to FPV than armored vehicles, infantry fighting vehicles and especially cars with the same body kit. And it is tanks that lead attacks, cover and retreat against FPV
                        These are those colossi, home-made welded steel sheets on all sides, which cannot rotate their turrets or change the position of the gun in the vertical plane, which are almost completely deprived of all the advantages of a tank? Aren't you ashamed to write about this?

                        This is a question of tactics and combat with FPV calculations, where tactics are set, the tank is used for its intended purpose,
                        Well, yes)) Several shots from a closed position followed by a run. Because of counter-battery warfare and a bunch of drones.

                        Is this such a reproach? What did you write about the Formula cars? About executive cars.
                        Are executive cars and racing cars a mass-produced product like military equipment like helicopters, tanks, artillery systems? How many F1 cars and how many tanks are there on the planet? How many thousand times is the difference? Doesn't that mean anything to you? What does your level tell you? Let the women give birth to new ones, and we'll slowly assemble a tank while we chill and relax?
  2. + 11
    April 11 2025 06: 42
    First of all, let's see how "Water Truce" ends (c), the author is so worried about German workers, as if he were a member of the Left Party of Germany laughing
    1. -1
      April 11 2025 10: 06
      Yes, maybe "member", how do we know. Yes laughing
      1. +2
        April 11 2025 10: 26
        Be careful here, I put the word analytics in quotes, so the comment was deleted for trolling wassat
      2. +4
        April 11 2025 10: 44
        I am tormented by vague doubts, the author so often champions the bourgeoisie... and here he is concerned about the fate of the workers of Germany... laughing Or maybe they sold "members" in Khimki... in the 90s... laughing hf Shirli-Myrli
      3. -1
        April 11 2025 11: 48
        The Links to Germany*
  3. +4
    April 11 2025 06: 46
    The reason for such a deplorable situation for Europeans was a whole bunch of problems.

    The main problem for Germany is its actual occupation by the USA and its complete dependence on the States. If Gorbachev treacherously withdrew the GSVG for our country, the Americans did not think of giving up their bases. This is far from the selfless Marshall Plan, which also contributed to falling into American bondage, and not only Germany, but also other Western European countries. This is not the USSR, which with other motives raised both the countries of Eastern Europe and helped China.
    What's the point of words, the Fritzes are not bothered, and they seemed to be smart people... They were already cannon fodder for Hitler, when the Germans were used against the Russians, and Germany was made the anti-USSR. The Americans blow up a gas pipeline, these sheep meekly endure everything, as, incidentally, do their capitalist colleagues in Russia, who have all their money in other people's banks. Now our fat cats are longingly waiting for new love from the USA and the lifting of sanctions... At the same time, a conflict with Europe and a cooling with China is brewing, from which our authorities are already forced to buy even "galoshes". Europe's preparation for war, the transfer of its economy to a military rails, and our "one and a half" tank factories, as well as the destroyed, optimized potential of the entire military-industrial complex, again, not in the least dependent on imports. To what extent "import substitution" has improved the problem, is a big question. What's next, with such a policy? Naturally, the Yankees are playing their game, and again wanting to solve the problem at someone else's expense, raking in the heat with someone else's hands. A new war in Europe will reset the astronomical debt of the USA, raise the economy, finances, and the "masters of the world" themselves will again sit it out overseas, for a new "Marshall Plan", which will also have to include exhausted Russia, with its bourgeois power and priority of the oligarchs' desires, who will sell not only Russia, but also their own mother for money. Why, in fact, did they ruin the USSR, and people like Chubais carried out a predatory privatization for the interests of the West ... What to do? Probably, enough of the jingoistic patriotic snot under the giggles about factories in Germany with a military theme. Probably, we should say goodbye to the traitors, returning the people's power and state interests for the good of the people, and not a bunch of greedy billionaires who milk Russia, being soul and body with the West.
    1. +6
      April 11 2025 08: 13
      I guess that's enough of the jingoistic patriotic snot.

      Yes, the whole country is held together by this snot. laughing
      1. 0
        April 11 2025 11: 58
        Quote: parusnik
        the whole country is held together by this snot
        Rather, it is not the country, but those who are in the "galley".
    2. +1
      April 11 2025 12: 15
      Quote: Per se.
      for the good of the people, not a bunch of greedy billionaires

      Well, this is not capitalism at all. How is that possible? And where are we going to put all the capitalists? They will be very much against everything being for the benefit of the people. winked
      1. 0
        April 11 2025 14: 27
        Quote: FIR FIR
        And where are we going to put all the capitalists?
        "There are no oligarchs in Russia," said a Kremlin spokesman, answering a journalist's question about whether Russian oligarchs had informed President Vladimir Putin about the interest in them from US law enforcement agencies. At one time, Beneto Mussolini simply got rid of his bandits, and after his ultimatum, the Italian mafia moved to the US. Our "white people" have dual or even triple citizenship, provided that - suitcase, train station, London (otherwise to prison, with snouts in fluff) - they won't disappear.
        1. +1
          April 12 2025 02: 43
          The Italians were smart guys, they took over all sorts of shadow and not so shadow sectors of the economy. Without funding from Russia, our oligarchs can only drink away their hard-earned money, or do dirty tricks on Russia for the money of their new owners. For some reason, they can't start a new business there, the most they can do is open a wine shop, like Chichvarkin
          1. +1
            April 18 2025 06: 27
            That's right. They never knew how to do anything, these Komsomol secretaries of district committees. They only knew how to steal and take things away.
    3. +1
      April 18 2025 06: 25
      I have no doubt that they will quickly rebuild the conveyor and start riveting. And we will continue to make one tank a year? Warehouse stocks also run out over time.
  4. +7
    April 11 2025 07: 25
    Quote: "The gigantic financial losses of European automakers have long been no secret to anyone. The first to suffer was the VW concern, which was forced to lay off at least 35 thousand workers."

    ...We wish we had their problems. :)

    Quote: "But this will take time. Secretly re-qualifying a component or even an automobile plant to meet the needs of the German military will take time."

    ... There would be something to repurpose. But how to repurpose, for example, the ZIL plant for the production of military products? Or AZLK? Or Krasny Proletariy, Rubin, TMZ, etc.? Which one up? Yes?:)
    1. +8
      April 11 2025 07: 49
      The other day, the last factory that produced televisions in Russia closed down.
      1. +5
        April 11 2025 08: 11
        Alexey, I didn't even know that it still existed. It closed, it's a fact of life, they probably never managed to substituting imports for the production of components, and supplies stopped. Probably, the fate of the Volgograd Tractor Plant awaits them, they will build "human anthills" on its premises.
        1. +4
          April 11 2025 08: 37
          This is the Kvant plant in Voronezh, Irbis brand TVs

          Larisa Senina, head of the Marvel Distribution department, confirmed to Kommersant that Irbis televisions were produced exclusively at the Kvant plant in Voronezh. She also reported that their production had been completely stopped.

          “Other manufacturers will not be able to meet the conditions for preferences in government procurement for TV, and now state-owned companies are considering products from increasingly popular Chinese vendors as an alternative,” she said, adding that televisions produced by Quantum occupy 10-15% of the Russian TV market.
          That's how it is. But sometimes you watch Channel 1 or 2, the news broadcast and wonder where this fairytale country is, I would like to live there too. Only outside the window it's different, unfortunately.
          1. +1
            April 11 2025 10: 35
            Yes, yes, I remember that Kvant was produced in Voronezh, I thought it was produced a long time ago, back in the 90s...
          2. 0
            April 12 2025 02: 46
            I think these TVs are no longer Russian, LCD matrices for such screens are produced only in Korea, China and, it seems, Japan, the rest put these matrices in their boxes.
          3. 0
            April 12 2025 21: 55
            Other manufacturers will not be able to meet the conditions for preferences in government procurement for TV, and now state-owned companies are considering products from increasingly popular Chinese vendors as an alternative.”

            She, like, the Government... decided...
            but what about RF PP 1875 from the end of December 2024?
            PP just came out and here you go, some chicken decided to change it...
          4. 0
            April 12 2025 22: 01
            She also reported that their production has been completely stopped.
            ...
            Now the Chinese are assembling - TCL
          5. 0
            April 18 2025 06: 30
            They put the country under the West, and when they were spat on, under the Chinese. A narrow-minded disgrace. These are imitators, not the government. And they sorted out impotent businesses for themselves.
    2. +1
      April 11 2025 18: 29
      The ZIL plant has been closed for a long time now.
    3. +5
      April 12 2025 12: 34
      the article is a manipulation on the topic "they will all freeze, everything is bad for them", let's do it a little differently on the same figures as in the article
      1. "The first to do so was the VW concern, which was forced to lay off at least 35 thousand workers."
      let's see. VW has only 656 employees, 000 is 35000%.. is this a collapse? really?
      2. "To varying degrees, Mercedes-Benz (-3,7 percent for 2024), BMW (-2,3 percent) suffered from the decline in demand, Mini fell by 17 percent, Jaguar by 8 percent, and Porsche lost 19 percent last year..."
      aaaand who is included where? Mini is part of BMW, Jaguar is generally owned by the Indian Tata, Porsche is owned by VW... so why write about Mercedes-Benz (-3,7 percent for 2024), BMW (-2,3 percent), and then about their divisions that created this 2% drop again, but this time about 19%???
      3. Everyone has already officially disowned tanks, but ours stubbornly woo them with tanks...

      Conclusions.. a 2-4% drop in the car in the EU.. a catastrophe? I don't think so.. but! after reading it, all you see is a catastrophe and tanks on the conveyor belt, i.e. the article creates a false perception of reality, which, unfortunately, a lot of people (incapable of analysis) happily cling to... hi
      1. +1
        April 13 2025 09: 26
        We would like to see such a "fall".
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  6. +3
    April 11 2025 09: 12
    Tanks for the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be built at European car factories


    The article only shows the tip of the iceberg,
    The most important thing is the “minor” features in the production of European weapons for the war with Russia.
    The topic of resources used after the commissioning of military factories in Europe has not been disclosed

    ...After a long period of discussions, it has become official that the German defense giant Rheinmetall has begun construction of a new "hybrid" plant in southern Hungary, writes the Hungarian publication Világgazdaság. This is already the fourth plant that Rheinmetall has decided to build in this country.
    Oliver Hoffmann, Head of Communications at Rheinmetall AG, announced that the foundation stone for the new plant in Hungary was laid on March 26th. The location of the new plant is also no secret - it is the city of Szeged.
    Rheinmetall is a defense industry company and technology group that develops and sells components, systems and services to both the defense and civilian sectors. The main focus is on tanks and armored combat vehicles.
    The German company has already built a plant for the production and testing of infantry fighting vehicles in Zalaegerszeg in western Hungary. One of Europe's largest factories for the production of ammunition and explosives is being built in Várpalota (western Hungary). And in Budapest, construction has begun on a digitization and software development center...
    https://topwar.ru/239178-nemeckaja-oboronnaja-kompanija-nachala-stroitelstvo-novogo-zavoda-v-vengrii.html

    The Hungarian state is building a new explosives plant for the production of RDX at its site in Várpalota, Hungary. Rheinmetall Denel Munition Pty (Ltd) of South Africa is supplying the necessary plant technology. Under the contract signed on 15 December 2022, the new plant will be built and operated by a joint venture between Rheinmetall and N7 Holding, a Hungarian state-owned enterprise.
    A contract worth three-digit millions of euros.
    Now that the planning phase is complete, the project will begin in 2023, so production could begin by 2027. The explosives produced at the new plant could be used, among other things, for artillery, tank and mortar ammunition...
    https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1197594&full


    To produce ammunition and heavy equipment, energy is needed. A lot of different energy.
    Hungary is solving this issue successfully.

    In January 2025, France increased its imports from Russia to 507,4 million euros, which is 34% more than in January last year. Last year's leader, Hungary, reduced its purchases of Russian gas due to supply disruptions and took only second place with 494 million euros.

    France became Russia's main trading partner in the EU in January | www.fontanka.ru
    According to Eurostat, published on March 19, overall imports of goods from Russia to the European Union in monetary terms remained at the same level in January – 3,4 billion euros.

    According to Eurostat, a significant share of imports from Russia was liquefied natural gas - Russia supplied it to France in January 2025 for 455 million euros. Compared to January 2024, this value increased by almost a third - from 290 million euros. Gas imports from Russia to the European Union as a whole cost 1,9 billion euros compared to 1,3 billion euros a year earlier. https://www.fontanka.ru/2025/03/19/75239606/#:~:text=%D0%9F%D0%BE%20%D0%B4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD% D1%8B%D0%BC%20%D0%95%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%2C%20%D0%B7%D0%BD%D0%B0% D1%87%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D1%83%D1%8E%20%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8E,%D1%82%D1%80 %D0%B5%D1%82%D1%8C%20%E2%80%94%20%D1%81%20290%20%D0%BC%D0%BB%D0%BD%20%D0%B5%D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE.

    But on February 7, Vojtech Ferenc, head of Slovakia's SPP (Slovakia's gas transportation system operator), unexpectedly announced that Gazprom's gas had been supplied to the Slovak market via Turkish Stream, i.e. via Bulgaria, Serbia and Hungary, since February 1. He noted that supplies would double from April, and the contract with Gazprom Export would be valid until 2034.
    Transit through Hungary was used before, but was insignificant, Belogoryev notes. However, last year it immediately increased fourfold - to 2,4 billion cubic meters per year, and in January 2025 it increased to 234 million cubic meters per month, that is, by 76% year-on-year...


    Somehow it doesn't seem very logical. It turns out that Russia is helping to build European defense industry plants to produce ammunition and heavy military equipment that will be used primarily against Russia.

    Hungary is becoming a locomotive for military equipment production in Europe.
  7. -12
    April 11 2025 09: 28
    There is the USA, China, Russia - three centers. Europe wants to become the fourth - another Fourth Reich, for which everything is available. Only there is no raw material, none, it is in Russia. And Russia does not want to exchange a bucket of diamonds for wooden beads. Savages!
    1. +3
      April 11 2025 10: 25
      In fact, on the contrary, Putin wants it, he proposed his deal on US resources.
    2. +3
      April 11 2025 10: 27
      Europe has long been a center, and unfortunately a much bigger center than Russia. Trivially because of the availability of technology and finance. Europeans prefer to buy resources precisely because of domestic political reasons, and not because of the lack of them. Well, yes - we have a desire to exchange "diamonds for beads", and a very big one. We are even now actively doing this - somewhere through the "black market" and "shadow fleet", somewhere through partners like Turkey and Hungary .... Have you heard, for example, that the Lukoil plant in Bulgaria processed Russian oil into fuel, which was then sent to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? And this was just a little ago, in 2023 ... perhaps this is happening now, and this is only what has surfaced in the media
      1. 0
        April 11 2025 12: 49
        What was meant was the next construction of a European Reich with the Fuhrerin at the helm. With the same goals and objectives. What should be the goals and objectives of Russia then? And of us, sinners.
        1. +2
          April 11 2025 13: 56
          You write about the "fourth European Reich", but can you talk about the previous three with numbers? I assume you mean the Teutons, Napoleon and Hitler?
          The Teutons were completely pulled in by the ears; in their best years, the Order and its allies could not field even 10000 men, even taking into account the sergeants, which was less than even the Novgorod forces, which can be seen by analyzing the Battle on the Ice.
          With Napoleon, everything is complicated and confusing, everyone there switched sides of the conflict many times. So, the Russian Empire first fought against France, in 1799 it left the coalition, Napoleon even released the prisoners, giving them weapons and equipment. In 1895, 1806 our country again fought against Napoleon, and in 1808 actually fought with Austria on his side. In 1812, in addition to the French, Napoleon really did come with a hodgepodge, but there were practically no battles between the Russian army and Europeans other than the French, but in 1813 and 1815, again, the whole bunch "kicked" the French. It is not clear what kind of unity we are talking about.
          About Hitler... let's put it this way - there were more Soviet defectors and traitors in the Wehrmacht and SS than Europeans combined. The military industry of the occupied countries, with the exception of Czechoslovakia, also did not produce anything worthwhile. One should not confuse occupation and cooperation, because in our country, approximately the same number of territories and citizens fell under occupation as in the rest of Europe...
          PS: If you have other information and figures, it would be interesting to see...
          1. +2
            April 11 2025 14: 38
            The First Reich is commonly referred to as the state entity that existed from 962 to 1806, which was called the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (German: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation) and united vast territories of Central Europe.
            The Army of the Holy Roman Empire (German: Reichsarmee) was created in 1422 and ceased to exist when the Holy Roman Empire was dissolved in 1806 as a result of the Napoleonic Wars.
            According to the law of 1681, the Imperial Army was to consist of 28 infantry soldiers and 000 cavalry soldiers, with the responsibility for the formation and maintenance of the army, as well as for maintaining the defense capability of the imperial fortresses, being assigned to the imperial districts. During military operations, the number of the army could be increased by decision of the imperial districts.
            The Second Reich is the Kaiser's Germany, the army size is 794 (peacetime) from 000 to 2 (000 - 000).
            Everyone already knows about Hitler's Third Reich. Reich Uber Alles!...
            1. 0
              April 11 2025 14: 55
              I know what German Reichs are, but our colleague-commentator speaks of a pan-European "Reich" and its desire to seize Russian lands. Usually pseudo-patriotic demagogues mean the Crusaders, Napoleon and Hitler. So I ask what he means by this term and to what extent this "Reich" was pan-European, preferably in figures and facts
              1. +1
                April 11 2025 20: 12
                I will give just one example: Hitler was defended by the FRENCH SS division Charlemagne before his suicide. And the Czech Republic provided a third of the heavy tanks and rifles. And so on.
                1. +1
                  April 11 2025 20: 47
                  Quote: fsps
                  FRENCH SS Division Charlemagne
                  a full-fledged division? It's just that as far as I remember, the aforementioned division began to be formed at the end of 1944 on the basis of the "French Legion" (an all-French organization of collaborators), but they were never able to assemble more than a regiment, and only a somehow formed combined company made it to Berlin, which later withdrew and surrendered to the Western Allies almost in full force. There was also some scandal connected with them, supposedly the De Golevskis shot so many people during the surrender, I don't remember exactly now.
                  Quote: fsps
                  And the Czech Republic provided a third of the heavy tanks and rifles. Etc.

                  like a third of heavy tanks and rifles? I can still believe in light tanks and various self-propelled guns, because the Pz-1 was taken out of production before the start of WWII, and the Pz-2 almost immediately after the start of the Great Patriotic War. Czech LT-35s ceased to be produced before the occupation, and LT-38s were produced under the Germans, but they were phased out before the Pz-2. Until 44, self-propelled guns and ZSUs were produced on the basis of the LT-38, then until the end of the war there was the Henzer on the basis of the same LT38, but neither medium nor heavy tanks were assembled in the Czech Republic for the Wehrmacht, the Germans did not trust such things to anyone in Europe (repairs were still carried out here and there, but also not on a mass scale) ... The Czechs did not produce many rifles either, most of them went to the Germans during the occupation. If you have figures, imagine them, if you want, I can confirm mine with documents, or you can find them yourself, it's not difficult.
                2. +1
                  April 19 2025 22: 08
                  Eastern Europe
                  Latvians: 115 thousand (including other German formations)[8].
                  Russians and Cossacks: 100 thousand
                  Ukrainians: 30 thousand
                  Estonians: 20 thousand
                  Croats and Bosnians: Xnumx Thousands
                  Serbs: 15 Thousands
                  Belarusians: 12 thousand
                  Türks: 8 thousand
                  Romanians: 5 Thousands
                  Albanians: 3 Thousands
                  Bulgarians: 1 thousand
                  Finns: up to 3 thousand[9]
                  Armenians: 3 thousand
                  Western Europe
                  Dutch: 50 thousand
                  Flemings: 23 Thousands
                  Italians: 20 Thousands
                  Walloons: 15 Thousands
                  Danes: 11 Thousands
                  French: Xnumx Thousands
                  Norwegians: 6 Thousands
                  Spaniards, Swiss, Swedes, Luxembourgers, British: 4 Thousands

                  Western Europe gave the SS fewer people than the peoples of the USSR (not even counting the Balts).
    3. 0
      April 11 2025 18: 34
      Not at all! China is now more principled in trade issues - it has banned the export of rare earth metals to the US, banned the export of drone components to military concerns in America and imposed serious sanctions against them.
  8. +3
    April 11 2025 11: 41
    As of March 31, Volkswagen Group had a profit of 2.8 billion euros tongue . Compare with AvtoVAZ.
    1. +2
      April 11 2025 17: 42
      And AvtoVAZ has all Russian citizens. :)))
  9. +1
    April 11 2025 11: 57
    Build pickups, armor them with light armor, install machine guns, but immediately tanks. Nonsense, everything is different there, starting from the load on the floor, equipment, columns, all this needs to be torn down and new ones built.
    1. +1
      April 11 2025 13: 25
      All this needs to be torn down and new things built

      Yes, the standard Kahn factories with a support pitch of 6 m (20') were not very suitable for the production of medium and heavy tanks.
  10. -2
    April 11 2025 15: 34
    Ferdinand Porsche had experience in producing armored vehicles, such as Tiger tanks and Ferdinand self-propelled guns. So the new is a well-forgotten old. He even sent his designers to the front. There, one of these designers died in a battle with our tank crews in the summer of 1944 in Poland, I think. Lieutenant Osin "calmed him down." For those interested - "seek, and ye shall find."
  11. 0
    April 11 2025 15: 56
    Quote: Per se.
    The reason for such a deplorable situation for Europeans was a whole bunch of problems.

    The main problem for Germany is its actual occupation by the USA and its complete dependence on the States. If Gorbachev treacherously withdrew the GSVG for our country, the Americans did not think of giving up their bases. This is far from the selfless Marshall Plan, which also contributed to falling into American bondage, and not only Germany, but also other Western European countries. This is not the USSR, which with other motives raised both the countries of Eastern Europe and helped China.
    What's the point of words, the Fritzes are not bothered, and they seemed to be smart people... They were already cannon fodder for Hitler, when the Germans were used against the Russians, and Germany was made the anti-USSR. The Americans blow up a gas pipeline, these sheep meekly endure everything, as, incidentally, do their capitalist colleagues in Russia, who have all their money in other people's banks. Now our fat cats are longingly waiting for new love from the USA and the lifting of sanctions... At the same time, a conflict with Europe and a cooling with China is brewing, from which our authorities are already forced to buy even "galoshes". Europe's preparation for war, the transfer of its economy to a military rails, and our "one and a half" tank factories, as well as the destroyed, optimized potential of the entire military-industrial complex, again, not in the least dependent on imports. To what extent "import substitution" has improved the problem, is a big question. What's next, with such a policy? Naturally, the Yankees are playing their game, and again wanting to solve the problem at someone else's expense, raking in the heat with someone else's hands. A new war in Europe will reset the astronomical debt of the USA, raise the economy, finances, and the "masters of the world" themselves will again sit it out overseas, for a new "Marshall Plan", which will also have to include exhausted Russia, with its bourgeois power and priority of the oligarchs' desires, who will sell not only Russia, but also their own mother for money. Why, in fact, did they ruin the USSR, and people like Chubais carried out a predatory privatization for the interests of the West ... What to do? Probably, enough of the jingoistic patriotic snot under the giggles about factories in Germany with a military theme. Probably, we should say goodbye to the traitors, returning the people's power and state interests for the good of the people, and not a bunch of greedy billionaires who milk Russia, being soul and body with the West.

    In Germany, the government is already seriously discussing the possibility of the Americans leaving and closing down many bases.
    Take Rammstein, for example. It's like a separate city in America, not in America. The population (with families) there is about 100. And Trump is looking for where else to cut and save
  12. -1
    April 12 2025 10: 02
    Quote: Alexey 1970
    The other day, the last factory that produced televisions in Russia closed down.

    ....It was the legacy of the criminal communist regime. Yes!
  13. 0
    April 12 2025 22: 06
    The Germans overdid it a bit with the transmission, and the Henschel-Werke Tiger went into production.

    So Porsche was a "premature man", if that's how you can characterize his thoughts...
    and regarding its electric transmission - Chinese hybrids (LiXiang) are made according to a similar scheme...
  14. 0
    April 13 2025 09: 23
    Quote: Victor19
    The ZIL plant has been closed for a long time now.

    Really!? Who would have thought!?...And I thought that a second one was built nearby...
  15. 0
    April 16 2025 14: 20
    Is Soviet technology really over already?