Exploring the psychology of betrayal…

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Exploring the psychology of betrayal…
"The Betrayal of Jesus" by Giotto di Bondone, 1304. Scrovegni Chapel fresco


The king discovered that Hoshea was a traitor, because he sent messengers to So, king of Egypt, and did not pay tribute to the king of Assyria, as he had done year after year. So Shalmaneser seized him and threw him into prison.
4 Kings 17:4




Modern life: good and bad. As an author, I am often reproached for not writing about modern times, although this is generally not true. I write quite often, and about new houses and schools in my hometown, and about how old buildings are being restored and churches lost in the past are being erected, and this is precisely all that is available to my information gathering capabilities. Write about corruption? But I don’t know any corrupt officials, and I simply don’t want to rewrite what other journalists accredited to participate in such processes write about – why repeat myself?

And in general there is a very good rule: write only about what you know well, or have relevant sources of information at hand, to which you can always refer. About SVO, all available information is also available in our section "News" There is no point in repeating it, even in different words. And only recently, as a journalist, I was fortunate enough to get close enough to one topical issue, and just enough to write about it and reflect on it a little!

But first of all, a little "in general", and this "general" will touch on a very burning topic: betrayal committed by some citizens of our country in the interests of Ukraine. Today, we constantly learn in the news that the FSB has thwarted yet another attempt... that yet another traitor recruited by the SBU has been caught, in a word, that such people, alas, exist among us today. And that they are caught and imprisoned, and for a long time! That is, potential traitors can very well read about this and at least think a little... But no, for some reason their number does not decrease too much. And I wonder, why is this so? What psychological flaw in the consciousness of our modern man pushes him to betrayal?

It is common knowledge that the phenomenon of betrayal is as old as humanity itself. It is even reflected in the Bible, and is mentioned there more than once. As well as the fact that the measures of influence applied to people in the Middle Ages were such that they were capable of pushing almost anyone to betrayal and treason. Well, for example, imagine that you were seated, naked, on a sharp corner of the back of a wooden horse, and pood weights were tied to your legs? And left like that for the whole night? Or they tried on you the interrogation method of the Japanese yakuza, when matches are inserted into the urethra with the heads outward and set on fire. They say that no one can withstand more than ten matches... Although it is known that the same Tommaso Campanella, the same one who wrote "City of the Sun", withstood the torture of "veglia" ("vigilance on a stake") for more than 20 hours and never confessed to anything, that is, he did not commit treason, even in relation to himself. However, such examples only confirm the rule that not every person is capable of enduring pain for the sake of high ideals.

Or imagine yourself in captivity. On the bare ground. There is nothing to eat, people, like animals, eat grass, lice eat you alive… And then you, half-dead from hunger, are offered to take in your hands weapon and fight against your country. Not everyone has the courage to refuse in such a case. Such behavior can at least be understood. Not to forgive, treason to the Motherland is punishable in any case, but at least to understand the motives of such an act.

What happens here? He signed up to send letters with explosives for... one thousand rubles... Isn't he an idiot? In essence, the man signed up to commit murder, that is, an act contrary to both divine and human laws, and asked for it so cheaply? True, for the last parcel the criminal was expected to receive a reward of 4 thousand rubles, but he never received it, the "poor guy". Yes, here, at least, we could be talking about 100 rubles, since you decided to hire yourself out as a killer. Still, at least some temptation, although personally I would not agree to even "let the winds fly in crowded rooms" for that kind of money in the interests of the enemy. The very fact of collaborating with the enemy would be more expensive for myself! But no, the man sold out for pennies. And again, one could at least somehow understand. If the man had refused the money altogether. So to speak, proved himself an "ideological fighter". But we don't see that either...

That is, today we are confronted in all its unsightly form with the obvious... psychological problem of such a phenomenon as betrayal. But... Although the same "news" describes in detail how our traitors are caught, how they are judged and how much they are given, their psychological portraits, as a rule, are absent. Purely mental reasons that pushed them to betrayal are not considered either. But knowing them, it would be possible, well, at least to determine the "target audience" of such types. And such work is certainly being done where necessary. However, I also recently managed to look at the psychological portrait of one such traitor...

And here's how it happened: a young woman worked at a company, who didn't have a husband, but a "life partner", a man who was in business. Not a very big one, but not a small one either. He never got less than 100 rubles a month. And sometimes he got much more - 000, 400, and he also had a crane and land (several plots), one of which he sold for 500 million rubles. Not that much, if you look at the price of apartments in Moscow, but for a provincial town it was quite a lot. Why this woman clung to him, and he to her, it's impossible to figure out now. What's important is that she had a colleague in her circle, and she, in turn, was my friend, and it often happened that in a conversation about life, the name of this woman would slip out, as well as examples of her cohabitation with her common-law husband.

I am not a fan of “women’s talk” about what kind of husbands each of us has, but I have a good ear, and the walls and doors in our houses are thin, so I was involuntarily informed in some way that there was such a woman and that she lived in such and such a way...

Well, for example, she went with her man to buy a wardrobe. She made her choice, and he said to her, “Oh, how expensive! Let’s split the price!” As is well known, a black sheep gets its share of wool, and it’s better to save 50% than to pay for everything yourself. “Let’s go to the sea!” “Let’s go!” And then: “Oh, how expensive! I won’t be able to pay for your entire trip…” And so on and so forth! Her friends advised her, “Dump this greedy man!” But our women are patient. And in this case, at least he was some kind of man – it would be a shame to throw him away like an old suitcase, but looking for a new one… is scary.

And then he started saying that they don't let him develop in Russia. That's how it is. And he decided to move to Croatia. Why there? It's warm there and the sea is free. He started learning Croatian, but something didn't work out for him. And immediately everything around him became even worse. Just everything, everything... The roads are narrow, the apartments are cramped and expensive, the food is full of preservatives. However, why list them all - probably all of you, dear readers of "VO", have met such people who are dissatisfied with everything. But here, unbelievable greed was mixed with dissatisfaction. God only knows what the man saved up his money for, he owned a "bucket with a motor" type car, although he could have lived like a king.

And just the other day, my friend told me that this man was arrested on charges of treason, and his "girlfriend" is simply insane. Which, of course, is not surprising at all. She had no idea, and then this happened! He told her: "Find me a lawyer!" And it's not about acquittal, no, everything has been proven, but only about mitigating the prison term! And the lawyer says that, supposedly, taking on such cases costs a lot - 400 rubles for familiarization with the case and representation of interests in court. And another 000 rubles for support during each month of legal proceedings, and it can stretch out for 100-000 months!!! In short, the poor thing got into a terrible situation and now simply does not know how to get out of it. Although the advice here is very simple - send this cohabitant far away and get rid of him for a very long time, if not forever!

At one time, our wonderful actress Faina Ranevskaya once said: “Life is too short to waste it on greedy men.” Well, and in conclusion I would like to add the following to her words: dear women who read “Military Review”, kick such people out as fast as you can. What if there is such a guy among them? Well, and for our male readers who also have female friends who discuss each other, we can recommend this history tell them, and so that they do the same in their circle of acquaintances. Because greed is not only one of the deadly sins, it also, as it turns out, can go hand in hand with such a crime as treason!
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  1. +31
    April 10 2025 04: 30
    Do you want me to reveal a secret that is not a secret at all? Why do people sell their homeland for 1000 rubles? No matter how cheap and vile it sounds. People have a huge number of examples before their eyes, they are deceived somewhere almost every day. There is only betrayal around, when they say that the retirement age will not be raised, that the constitution will not be changed and rewritten for themselves, when we do not abandon our own, and then hoba and words no longer mean anything. When people bankrupt enterprises and sell property at auction, what is this? This is betrayal! When you head a state corporation and say we will fly to the moon tomorrow, and then you disappear, this is betrayal! When you take an oath to defend the interests of citizens and people, and in the first month all these beautiful words fly into the trash, when yesterday they said that they will not let in those stars who left the country and poured dirt on it, and today they are already talking about how to meet them, and what patriotic concert to send them to. Here everyone around teaches to love the motherland, words, lyrics, poems, but where are the examples? And there are only a few examples, and those from those people who, in principle, were not obliged to anything. As long as there is such obscurantism, do not expect the "young guard", although even there there was betrayal, what to say about now, when they openly say, you live honestly, you observe everything, then you are a loser, a failure, and you will not achieve anything in life, this is literally our ideology in the country. Because you will honestly earn 50 thousand, and live on them, and everyone around will look at you as a nonentity, well, why can't you find a girl with such a salary, create a family, buy an apartment, and off we go. So the savvy people spin around as best they can, immediately looking for something that is lying around badly, and they start doing all sorts of crazy things, here no one even remembers the Motherland, and before your eyes are excellent examples of betrayals, where in the end you are not responsible for anything, and like in the movie with money, by the sea and in the company of beauties, and you can also scold the country, and there is a chance that they will call you a great patriot....
    1. +4
      April 10 2025 13: 49
      cunning people... they are spinning around... they start doing all sorts of crazy things, here no one even remembers about the Motherland

      What a comparison. To live on 50 thousand a month and sell the Motherland for 1000 rubles. This is definitely a biblical story not about 30 pieces of silver...
      I don't know how it was possible to live on 30 pieces of silver in other times, but it probably was. And what is 1000 rubles now? It's enough to go to the store once for potatoes, carrots and something else not very similar... So, the measure is incommensurable... 1 pieces of silver then and 30 rubles now is one slap in the face of a traitor. And so, betrayal, whether for 1000 pieces of silver or for 30 rubles, is betrayal. And throughout history: a traitor is always an abomination.
    2. 0
      April 13 2025 00: 44
      Do you want me to reveal a secret that is not a secret at all? Why do people sell their Motherland for 1000 rubles? No matter how cheap and vile it sounds. People have a huge number of examples before their eyes, they are deceived somewhere almost every day.
      I'll ruin your secret. There are so many "broken phones" in the world, but the worst thing is that one of these "broken phones" is in our heads.
  2. +32
    April 10 2025 04: 35
    What a delight. The traitor tells us about the "psychology of betrayal". Judas Iscariot, instead of hanging himself from shame, gives lectures on morality. A prostitute with 40 years of experience says that she is the Virgin Mary.
    Not just a former communist, but a former teacher of Marxism-Leninism, and now a rabid anti-Soviet and anti-communist tells us about... betrayal. How sweet, and how typical of Yeltsin-Putin's Russian Federation.
    P.S. As for the content of the article, eavesdropping on ordinary conversations and the author's servile calculations of income, along with "wise" advice for women to be kept by men is, of course, good, but what "treason" has to do with it is absolutely unclear. The elementary truth (however, perhaps unknown to the author, who knows them from the former teachers of Marxism-Leninism) says that you can betray only what you are faithful to, or what you swear allegiance to, therefore, for example, the revolutionary heroes in Tsarist Russia or the ideological fighters against Soviet power were not traitors, but General Vlasov or the author are pure traitors.
    What could a small businessman "betray", who is interested in him or what "secrets" does he possess. This great secret exists. Perhaps we are talking about the most banal for the bourgeois dictatorship of a third world country unsystematic violence, when any person can become a criminal who can be beaten or whose property no one can protect. However, we note that the author does not even try to tell what the hero's crimes actually are, but is completely on the side of the prosecution. What an ideal informer he would have become in Nazi Germany....
    1. +3
      April 10 2025 06: 34
      Quote: Belisarius
      says that you can only betray what you love faithful, or to what you swear, therefore, for example, the revolutionary heroes in tsarist Russia or ideological fighters
      therefore, for example, the revolutionary heroes in tsarist Russia or the ideological fighters against the Soviet government were not traitors, but General Vlasov or the author were pure traitors.

      According to your logic in the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million OFFICIAL traitors - security forces who betrayed their oath - SA + MVD + KGB...
      1. +2
        April 10 2025 07: 26
        Quote: your1970
        4 million OFFICIAL traitors - security forces who betrayed their oath - SA + MVD + KGB...

        Almost all males, except for the sick and the smart ones who went to college, took the oath in the army, although the alternative was prison, so there are many questions about the voluntariness of such an oath.
      2. -5
        April 10 2025 08: 47
        According to your logic, in the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million OFFICIAL traitors - security forces who betrayed their oath - SA + MVD + KGB...


        Are you continuing to lie? And to substituting concepts?
        It was not the army that betrayed the people in 1881. It was the people that betrayed the army.

        Your parents aren't here by any chance?
        1. +2
          April 10 2025 13: 13
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          engage in substitution of concepts?

          My opponent wrote:
          Quote: Belisarius
          ) says that You can only betray what you are loyal to or what you swear allegiance to, therefore, for example, the revolutionary heroes in tsarist Russia or the ideological fighters against the Soviet government were not traitors, but General Vlasov or the author are pure traitors.

          About 4 million security officials took the oath in the USSR.
          I wrote it for fool -
          Quote: your1970
          According to YOURS(!!) according to the logic of the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million
          .
          Where did you get the idea that I am writing that the army betrayed the people??!!! Or did you fail once again?
          1. -2
            April 10 2025 13: 46
            About 4 million security officials took the oath in the USSR.
            I wrote it for fools


            You might as well hit yourself on the forehead. Maybe then it will dawn on you that each law enforcement agency had a different oath text due to its specifics. The exceptions are the PV and VV.

            Where did you get the idea that I am writing that the army betrayed the people??!!! Or did you fail once again?


            Stop shaking your ass and hiding behind abstractions. What particular point of the oath did SA violate?
            1. +2
              April 10 2025 16: 43
              I will repeat myself for the Chinese - who don’t understand the first time and you[
              Quote: your1970
              My opponent wrote:
              Quote: Belisarius
              ) says that you can only betray what you are loyal to or what you swear allegiance to, therefore, for example,

              About 4 million security officials took the oath in the USSR.
              I wrote - for -
              Quote: your1970
              According to YOURS(!!) according to the logic of the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million
              .

              When people write to their opponents "According to Your logic, position, solution" - this means that the one who wrote this I DISAGREE (!!!!!!!) with his opponent and he has his own opinion on this issue.
              I hope now it will reach the Chinese and you - that I NOT I think SA + MVD + KGB are traitors and turncoats up to the colonel level at least.
              1. -6
                April 10 2025 16: 55

                When people write to their opponents "According to your logic, position, decision" - this means that the person who wrote this DISAGREES (!!!!!!!) with his opponent and he has his own opinion on this issue.
                I hope now it will get through to the Chinese and you - that I do NOT consider the SA + MVD + KGB to be traitors and renegades, at least to the colonel level.


                Your words?


                According to your logic, in the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million OFFICIAL traitors - security forces who betrayed their oath - SA + MVD + KGB...


                After all, exactly In your It was logical to write down the SA as traitors.
                1. +4
                  April 10 2025 17: 00
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  After all, it was in your opinion that it was logical to write down the SA as traitors.

                  As soon as possible
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  According to MY(!!!!!!!!) logic in the USSR in 1991
                  - so you can stretch it all the way to the globe, but for now it’s standing there
                  Quote: your1970
                  Your
                  .- your speculations remain speculations
        2. 0
          April 10 2025 16: 17
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          It was not the army that betrayed the people in 1881. It was the people that betrayed the army.

          The people of the army did not take an oath of allegiance to it.
          1. -6
            April 10 2025 16: 19
            The people of the army did not take an oath of allegiance to it.


            As it turns out, one can betray without taking an oath.
      3. +5
        April 10 2025 13: 19
        Traitors? And who gave them orders and instructions? Who launched all this chaos of the 90s "on stream"? Did Martians or pirates from Venus fly in? No. These were the ones who were supposed to "illuminate" the historical path to communism for us!) But instead, they robbed and plundered THEIR own population, and allowed predators from all over the world to rob us (. And I will say to the author: "- If you want to see traitors, look in the mirror!"
      4. +1
        April 10 2025 14: 02
        Quote: your1970
        According to your logic, in the USSR in 1991 there were at least 4 million OFFICIAL traitors - security forces who betrayed their oath - SA + MVD + KGB...

        The Russian Federation declared itself the successor of the USSR and those who swore allegiance to the USSR did not re-swear allegiance to the Russian Federation. Based on the law. If you are not aware. Only those who did not take the oath under the USSR swore allegiance to the Russian Federation.
        1. -7
          April 10 2025 16: 24
          Quote: Fitter65
          Only those who did not take the oath under the USSR swore allegiance to the Russian Federation.

          And there was no point. Because in Russia no oath is really needed at all.
          In Russia, everything is done by order; here it is higher than any oath in practice. And the execution of orders by superiors has been ensured for thousands of years in all countries of the world, both in the army and outside the army.So in Russia the oath is just a formality.

          An oath only makes sense where it is above the orders of a superior. For example, the oath in the USA;
          "...I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
          1. +1
            April 10 2025 17: 30
            Quote: sidorov
            In Russia, everything is done by order; here it is higher than any oath in practice.

            If you don't understand the meaning of the word oath, then there's no need to create confusion here.
            Quote: sidorov
            For example, the oath in the USA;

            I don't see any point in discussing anything further with you if you, when citing the US oath, didn't even bother to look at the text of the Russian oath. I'm not even talking about reading it or understanding the meaning... hi
            1. -2
              April 10 2025 19: 17
              Give an example of when a stupid or treacherous order was violated in Russia in favor of the Oath. And what happened to that person afterwards. And there is no need to chatter all sorts of nonsense in vain
              1. 0
                April 11 2025 00: 22
                Quote: sidorov
                . And there is no need to chatter all sorts of nonsense in vain

                So set an example, don't talk nonsense...which there's no point in even commenting on.
    2. -14
      April 10 2025 07: 08
      Quote: Belisarius
      However, we note that the author does not even try to tell what the hero’s crimes actually are, but is completely on the side of the prosecution.

      But Belisarius, can't you tell us about something that is unknown? The case is closed and under investigation. And regarding your words about my betrayal, I will say that it was not I who betrayed the party, but the party me. I did not leave it, it left me. That is, it simply deceived me, right? And only after that I began to understand the reasons why this happened. I am still doing this work. It is easy to understand, right? But it is difficult, apparently, for people with a low-quality brain.
      1. BAI
        +9
        April 10 2025 07: 51
        And regarding your words about my betrayal, I will say that it was not I who betrayed the party, but the party me. I did not leave it, it was it who left me.

        A classic excuse for all traitors, especially Vlasovites.
        We were betrayed, thrown to the slaughter and forgotten.
        But the Red Army soldiers were really thrown to the slaughter and forgotten. In the 90s, no one was thrown to the slaughter, except for 3 idiots who stupidly climbed under (on) tanks
        1. -7
          April 10 2025 07: 56
          Quote: BAI
          Classic

          War and peace are different things. It's one thing when you're abandoned in battle. And quite another when your party organizer tells you that the CPSU has ceased to exist and... that's it. At least some kind of announcement to its former members. What is that? An excuse? Or should I have run somewhere (by the way, where?) and said: But I don't agree? And what about party discipline? It must be followed! So don't confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs.
        2. 0
          April 10 2025 09: 34
          A small remark, they didn’t die by tanks, as far as I remember, two had bullet wounds, the third was crushed by an armored personnel carrier, and they all had alcohol in their blood in varying doses, and one was a former Afghan.
    3. -1
      April 10 2025 07: 09
      Quote: Belisarius
      A prostitute

      Now this is an insult, for which I would apologize if I were you.
    4. -12
      April 10 2025 07: 22
      Quote: Belisarius
      Perhaps we are talking about the most banal type of unsystematic violence for a bourgeois dictatorship in a third world country, when any person who can be beaten or whose property no one can protect can become a criminal.

      Oh, how! We are even capable of whitewashing obvious traitors just to do harm to an author we don't like.
      Quote: Belisarius
      What an ideal informant he would have made in Nazi Germany

      And how many informers were there in the country of victorious socialism and how many denunciations they wrote on completely innocent people, simply settling personal scores.
    5. +14
      April 10 2025 07: 26
      What an ideal informant he would have made in Nazi Germany.
      ..
      Unfortunately, dear Belisarius, such types are present in any society, regardless of the regime.
      I'm not a fan of "women's talk" about what kind of husbands each of us has, but I have good hearing, and the walls and doors in our houses are thin.

      After reading such revelations, you will involuntarily shudder, imagining that you live in the same communal apartment with the Author of the article. Brrr....
      1. +14
        April 10 2025 07: 44
        By the way, it is far from certain that everything stated by the author took place and was not invented by him. As a literary businessman, Caliber is head and shoulders above the same Samsonov in choosing hype topics. I predict that this article will collect at least a hundred comments smile
        1. -4
          April 10 2025 08: 05
          Quote: Richard
          By the way, it is far from certain that everything described by the author actually took place and was not invented by him.

          Richard has written many times that you can't really lie or "make things up" on the Internet. Because there will always be those people who will say: "Aha, that's who it's about!" It is clear that neither names nor surnames can be given in such materials. Especially before a court decision. So yes, some things have to be... changed, within the bounds of decency. But overall, everything is absolutely accurate.
      2. -7
        April 10 2025 08: 02
        Quote: Richard
        in one communal apartment

        Do you miss communal apartments? I don't!
        1. +9
          April 10 2025 10: 21
          Do you miss communal apartments?

          It's hard to call it melancholy - more like nostalgia. You know, Caliber, I had the chance to live in a communal apartment. From the age of one to six. My memories are exceptionally good. After our family moved from Germany to my father's new place of service in Ivanovo, my parents received two adjoining rooms in a communal apartment in a red-brick five-story building on Pogranichny Lane right next to the children's park. In the summer there was a fountain "with pioneers" and huge bushes of multi-colored cosmos, and in the winter an ice rink. Our rooms were small - my brother and I slept in the big one - he is six years older than me, and my parents in the small one. Our neighbors were an elderly childless couple, Uncle Grisha and Aunt Nyura Paramonov. We had a common kitchen with a balcony, a common bathroom and a common toilet. There were no problems with the neighbors. We lived amicably. I won't lie, almost like family. We celebrated all the holidays together. We decorated the New Year's tree together in the kitchen. Potatoes, onions and carrots were also bought for both families - we had a common basement. What's more - we even shared a refrigerator. Mother and Aunt Nyura salted cabbage, cucumbers and mushrooms together. I played all the time and even often spent the night in their room. When we received a separate apartment in the garrison and left - the women cried. I cried too.... As my parents wrote to me at the military school, the Paramonovs died in '84 - Uncle Grisha in August, Aunt Nyura in December...
          1. +2
            April 10 2025 12: 34
            Quote: Richard
            From one to six years.

            Very interesting. Because a person learns more about life before the age of 5 than during the rest of his life. So you learned the most about life during this time. You developed a certain personality type, on which everything else was then layered. And if everything was good there, then... You can only be envied.
            1. +3
              April 10 2025 17: 13
              One can only envy you.

              Caliber, let's abstractly imagine this situation - after the fourth grade, his parents send twelve-year-old Slava Shpakovsky from his usual regional center to the other end of the country - to the village, to help the village milkmaid - his sixty-five-year-old great-grandmother, who was simply stupidly working on a collective farm and maintaining the house, caring for her blind son, a disabled veteran of the Great Patriotic War, and his blind wife. Can you imagine it? Are you jealous? wink And I finished my education not in an English school like you, but in a regular village school. And unlike you, I simply didn't have time to enroll in a university or technical school - I was born in October, so in the year I graduated from the village school in the fall of '80, I was already called up for military service. Are you jealous? I won't write about my service and where I ended up after school - you'll be jealous. laughing
              Do you think I'm trying to pity you or bragging? Not at all, Caliber, half the country lived like that. I'm just stating that, unlike you, I was not a hothouse child "with a silver spoon in my mouth" and "criminal relatives" - that's why I had to achieve everything in life myself. Like the overwhelming majority of forum members present here.
              And if everything was good for you there, then...

              Everything is never good: laughing
              If everything is fine with you, it means you don't know something(c)

              But seriously, whether it was good or bad - I have no idea, there was nothing to compare it with then, everyone around lived the same way. Some are better, some are worse, but everyone is about the same. It was Gorbachev's perestroika that brought discord and economic stratification to society.
              1. +1
                April 10 2025 17: 26
                Quote: Richard
                And unlike you, I simply didn’t have time to enroll in a university or technical school - I was born in October, so in the year I graduated from the village school in the fall of 80, I was already called up for military service.

                I did the same in October, on the 18th, and they gave me a fair chance to enter the university. It was 1972.
                Quote: Richard
                Do you think I'm trying to make you feel sorry or bragging?

                I don't think so at all. I think that we are getting to know each other and you are telling me things that I don't know about you. You know more about me. In this regard, it is easier for you in some way.
                Quote: Richard
                I'm just stating that, unlike you, I was not a hothouse child "with a silver spoon in his mouth" and "criminal relatives" - therefore, I had to achieve everything in life myself.

                This is serious. But do you know for sure that I didn't have to achieve anything myself? Really? And I wrote a lot about how the people around me lived. So I know how the country lived, too.
                Quote: Richard
                It was Gorbachev's perestroika that brought discord and economic stratification to society.

                Again, incorrect. My friend from school and university had a shop foreman for a father... I wrote about what her fate was like at first and how it ended. And it started in 1972, yes... Before Gorbachev... And nevertheless, a person learns more about life before the age of 5 than in the rest of his life. I didn't come up with this - it's written in any university textbook on age-related pedagogy. And if this was a happy time for you, then... why shouldn't you envy this period? Am I wrong?
                1. +1
                  April 10 2025 18: 59
                  Are you sure I didn't have to work for anything myself? Are you sure?

                  Well, how can I know for sure? I'm not all-seeing. I'm just going by your own words, I quote:
                  A person is largely shaped by his environment. My grandfather was the head of the City Department of Education. Having a mother who is a candidate of historical sciences and a teacher of the history of the CPSU and a stepfather who is a senior teacher of general history at Rostov State University, it is clear that I simply could not imagine any other career. University-graduate school-university again - that's all my plans for life.
                  .
                  It's different for me: my mother in Ivanovo worked in a 24-hour city pharmacy on duty every other day, my father served as a pilot in the Military Transport Aviation. My brother was a student, a second-year student at the time. In the village, my great-grandmother was a milkmaid on a collective farm, and my blind grandfather and grandmother were home-based workers for the VOS - they collected stubble in their brushes. Do you understand the difference in our foundations for choosing our future profession? That's why I'm writing that I had to achieve everything in life myself, just like the vast majority of forum members here.
                  1. 0
                    April 10 2025 19: 46
                    Quote: Richard
                    That's all my plans for life.

                    But as they say - there were nuances and a lot of them! I understand the difference. But it happens that you also have to fight for a place in a university and graduate school yourself. If I write everything in detail, then the locals ... will then distort everything 33 times and then refer to me. Therefore, I have to write "in broad strokes", which are easier for an outsider to remember and harder to distort, although the devil is often in the details. Although yes, it was harder for you, of course.
      3. +3
        April 10 2025 11: 11
        Why is there such a negative connotation, as if a sexot (agent) is something bad? belay This is very cool - I declare with full responsibility as someone who served five years in the air police. The realization of this objective reality comes directly and immediately to the one who suddenly became a loser - but it was precisely thanks to the operational work that his rights (as well as stolen property) trampled by the violator of public morality and ethics were returned and restored. Even if not in full - a residue in the form of moral suffering remained.

        There are many good and different agents per capita!
        1. +1
          April 19 2025 23: 38
          And this, you know, is due to the imperfection of the world. Well, that's how it has historically developed - both in the Russian Empire/USSR/RF and in Spain, for example. That is, a policeman tells an informant (agent) - report thieves, murderers and drug dealers. There are no questions here, an honest citizen should do this anyway out of moral duty for free. And then the policeman continues: also about those who scold the government, laugh at the church and sin with debauchery. And here the attitude will be different.
    6. -15
      April 10 2025 08: 20
      Quote: Belisarius
      an anti-communist tells us about... betrayal. How sweet, and how typical of Yeltsin-Putin's Russian Federation.

      nice and typical of the Stalin-Leninist USSR-communists top echelon countries (members of the first Politburo, the Central Committee, the Government, the Revolutionary Military Council, the General Staff, etc., etc.) found themselves according to the court and the communists Vyshinsky, Unshlikht, Stalin and others - scumbags, traitors, Vyshinsky about them - this is "manure, a stinking pile of garbage, filthy dogs, damned vermin."

      The world has never seen such a huge scale of betrayal and treason among the top leadership of the country, the army and the party.
      1. -1
        April 10 2025 08: 34
        Naturally, there have never been such mendacious and hypocritical people as you, enemies of the USSR, on the territory of the USSR, in any country in the world. You ALL, both under the communists and after you captured the USSR, have been lying and hypocritical your whole lives for the sake of profit.
        And you praise Nicholas II not because you are really for him, you have all proven that you don’t care about the centuries-old period of the Russian State, about all its great people, but you praise Nicholas II, having falsified his reign - also for the BENEFIT of your anti-Sovietism.
        And here you are fiercely defending the White Guards, the White Cossacks, but according to all the rules of humanity, and even according to your current laws, they were traitors to their homeland - they, together with the occupiers of their country, unleashed a war in their country.
        1. +2
          April 10 2025 09: 18
          Quote: tatra
          Naturally, there have never been such mendacious and hypocritical people as you, enemies of the USSR, on the territory of the USSR, in any country in the world. You ALL, both under the communists and after you captured the USSR, have been lying and hypocritical your whole lives for the sake of profit.

          Look at the Politburo of the Central Committee and the Central Committee of the CPSU itself. That's where the hypocrites are. That's who seized the USSR (or rather all the assets of the USSR). And you are just an illiterate blinkered veteran of the struggle for an idea. Only your entire struggle has been limited to empty talk. And Vyacheslav is a normal thinking person, not frozen on an "idea", it should be noted on a progressive idea, but implemented by unscrupulous and not very smart people. And his idea is very interesting, though it requires a very powerful and intellectual apparatus for implementation. Today, on the basis of large statistics, it would be very correct to comprehensively study this "phenomenon of betrayal" in order to be able to identify ways of its timely disclosure and prevention. I hope that such thoughts visit the heads of the "leading criminologists" from the FSB and the Ministry of Internal Affairs. On my own behalf, I will note that "ossification" in views on life is characteristic of the wretched and the dead. The living accumulate experience, take into account mistakes and grow as individuals, above themselves of yesterday. T.S. become wiser with age. I wish the same for you with all my heart.
          1. -7
            April 10 2025 09: 25
            And so it has been for the enemies of the USSR for all 33 years, including here. Every time they write and talk about YOU, you cowardly “shift the blame” onto others.
            The enemies of the USSR, when they were free from the communists, explained why such a huge number of them, under the communists’ rule, pretended to be communists and their supporters with such ease for years and decades.
            And because they all have no conscience, no ideological convictions, no moral principles, only BENEFIT always and in everything. Look, it was profitable for them to pretend to be communists and their supporters, it became profitable with their totally false anti-communist Perestroika - they began to pretend to be “humanitarians” in slandering communists, liberals, democrats, monarchists, patriots, and in reality they were and are NOTHING of this.
            1. +5
              April 10 2025 09: 49
              Quote: tatra
              Well, it was profitable for them to pretend to be communists and their supporters.

              Note that this "profitability" was precisely what the party leadership created at the time, when it began to provide the party apparatus with additional cash and food rations. Then they added the opportunity for "production" growth. And so they grew what they had been diligently growing. Who is now to blame for the ugly construction of the CPSU monster, except the party itself? This is not a question for you. You personally did not build anything, you simply constituted the "body" of the party with your membership. And even you in the party cell were not informed in the early 70s about the decision made by the Politburo to converge the USSR with Western Europe in terms of economies. The party led the USSR into an economic dead end and was ashamed to admit it. And you are still wandering in the dark looking for "enemies of the USSR". When you talk about lifelong loyalty to the Party, I want to ask - which party, which itself died, forcing you, as ordinary party fighters, to suffer. So tell me now, who betrayed whom? The party members betrayed their Central Committee or vice versa?
          2. -4
            April 10 2025 15: 54
            Quote: Hagen
            Look at the Politburo of the Central Committee and the Central Committee of the CPSU itself. That's where the hypocrites are. That's who seized the USSR (or rather all the assets of the USSR)

            They had no opportunity to "capture" anything. This is not a battlefield. According to the Charter, all positions were elected and accountable. So the reasons for the collapse of the CPSU are not in the Politburo. But in the fact that society has simply not yet grown to such a level of culture and such a capacity for self-organization, when full-fledged political parties appear in it. Our level is a get-together, a gang, a mob..... Or organized crime groups, as the highest form of our people’s self-organization.
            Chernomyrdin also said: "No matter what they build, it turns out to be the CPSU." No matter how they build the CPSU, it turns out to be a gang of thieves.
            1. 0
              April 11 2025 10: 34
              Quote: sidorov
              They had no opportunity to "capture" anything. This is not a battlefield. According to the Charter, all positions were elected and accountable.

              First, get carried away by the topic, and then enter into polemics.
              Quote: sidorov
              Our level is a get-together, a gang, a posse... Or an organized criminal group, as the highest form of our people's self-organization.

              Are you such a ..... on Saturdays or what (c)? Whose money are you here for, criminologist? I have a hunch that other "readers" should be interested in your assessment of our society.
      2. +2
        April 10 2025 10: 30
        The world has never seen such a huge scale of betrayal and treason among the top leadership of the country, the army and the party.

        Oh, Olgovich has been released into the public eye again.
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        2. -3
          April 10 2025 12: 18
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Oh, Olgovich has been released into the public eye again.

          And where is Petrovich? I always suspected that the Cossack was a plant, some kind of shady one.
          1. -2
            April 10 2025 12: 31
            And where is Petrovich?

            They are changing shifts. lol
            He goes around giving minuses to those he doesn't like along with his main account and pluses to himself))
            If Olgovich gets banned again, he'll show up, don't worry. As soon as he gets out of the "ban" himself.
      3. -2
        April 10 2025 11: 09
        You're talking about Timur Ivanov. And then these are the times now, not everyone gets jailed.
    7. Des
      +2
      April 10 2025 08: 35
      Quote: Belisarius
      What a delight. The traitor tells us about the "psychology of betrayal".

      Yes.
    8. +9
      April 10 2025 12: 43
      What a delight. The traitor tells us about the "psychology of betrayal". Judas Iscariot, instead of hanging himself from shame, gives lectures on morality.

      Why are you attacking Shpakovsky? He really is not a traitor. He never betrayed his ideals of a small profiteer. This is a question for the party that allowed such a profiteer into its ranks.
      The party's organism was overflowing with parasites like Shpakovsky that had attached themselves to it and gave birth to marked shit, which - suddenly - how so? - became the party's brain. A healthy organism successfully fights parasites, but that's not about the CPSU. So the claims are not against the author.
      1. 0
        April 10 2025 19: 51
        Quote: Ivan Ivanych Ivanov
        but this is not about the CPSU.

        She got sick and didn’t even notice, poor thing.
    9. +1
      April 10 2025 16: 59
      This is true, I agree with every line of this review.
    10. +1
      April 20 2025 16: 50
      Belisarius hi
      I bow before your comment!
      Everything, word for word, is true! Yesterday I was in the communist trough, today in the democratic one...And tomorrow?
      + + + + + + + +
      1. +1
        April 26 2025 01: 51
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        Belisarius
        I bow before your comment!

        Thank you, of course, for the kind words, but I really feel awkward. I haven't written anything that smart. I'm just trying to call things by their proper names.
        And I wrote this not to hurt Shpakovsky, but with pain in my heart. The presence of such wonderful people who yesterday were in the communist trough, today in the democratic one - this is our common misfortune and problem. In my opinion, a sincere and honest enemy of the Soviet power is still much better than such people.
        1. +1
          April 26 2025 04: 43
          In my opinion, a sincere and honest enemy of the Soviet power is still much better than such people.

          Golden words!
  3. +17
    April 10 2025 05: 25
    Of course, the article is such a "hodgepodge" of many ingredients, here it is about himself and about his friend's friend, here it is about executions and torture, here it is about reading the Bible, here it is also recommendations for women on how to choose men who are not greedy - and all this is under the sauce "I", that I personally did not understand what the author wanted to talk about specifically in the article.
    About types and methods of executions? So you forgot about Baron Ungern, to whom VO Obozrenie devoted a whole series of articles. He was a sadist! They specially starved a rat, then put it on the bare stomach of a victim tied to a bench, covered the rat with a metal basin and started to knock on the basin, and the rat, maddened by hunger and the sound-knocking, began to gnaw the flesh on its stomach in order to eat and hide from this in the intestines of a living person. Is this the first time you hear about such torture? And I also hear about torture with matches in the urethra for the first time. However, what kind of article, such and commentary ... well, so as to mutually "expand" and "enrich" knowledge.
    As for Faina Ranevskaya, if she had the appearance of Brigitte Bardot, Ranevskaya would have treated men completely differently, whether greedy or generous...
    Yes, regarding the biblical character and his connection with the people against whom Russia is now fighting in the North-Eastern Military District, the Emperor of All Russia Peter the Great expressed his attitude to the "leader" of this people by establishing the Order of Judas in a single copy for the traitor Mazepa. Now this nation of the traitor Mazepa has elevated the traitor to portraits of the traitor on its banknotes, in the names of streets and squares named after the traitor and bows to monuments in "honor" of the traitor.
    1. +12
      April 10 2025 06: 46
      the article is such a mess and a "hodgepodge"

      And it cannot be otherwise if we “study” the psychology of betrayal based only on:
      I have good hearing, and the walls and doors in our houses are thin, so I was inevitably somewhat informed(c)
      .
      Caliber, if the topic of the psychology of betrayal really interests you, then instead of putting your ear to the neighbor's wall, you'd be better off sitting in your party archive - there you'll probably find more interesting materials on this topic.
      If you simply have nothing to write about, here's a free tip - On the eve of the 80th anniversary of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War, the "Victory Locomotive" will arrive in Penza. There, guests will be shown examples of heavy armored vehicles and small arms. The highlight of the event will be an exhibition of rare weapons.
      And, of course, the guests will not leave without treats. There, Penza residents will taste real soldier's porridge and St. George ribbons. Everyone will be able to take a photo next to the legendary Soviet equipment. The culmination of the event will be a festive concert, which will be presented to guests by leading creative groups of your region. The unique museum "Victory Locomotive" will arrive at the Penza-1 station on May 4 and will stand for 3 hours - from 10:00 to 13:00. So take a notebook, a camera and don't oversleep.
      1. +2
        April 10 2025 07: 11
        Quote: Richard
        It would be better if you sat in your party archive - there you will probably find more interesting materials on this topic.

        And this will not escape me!
      2. +4
        April 10 2025 07: 13
        Quote: Richard
        The unique museum "Victory Locomotive" will arrive at the Penza-1 station on May 4 and will stand for 3 hours - from 10:00 to 13:00. So take a notebook, a camera and don't oversleep.

        Thanks for the tip. I'm an early bird, I've been up and about for a long time now. Penza is just a stone's throw away from me... There will be a report!
    2. +8
      April 10 2025 07: 45
      Quote: north 2
      copy for the traitor Mazepa. Now this nation of the traitor Mazepa has elevated to the portraits of the traitor on their banknotes, in the names of the streets and squares named after the traitor and bows to monuments in "honor" of the traitor

      In Japan, Tokugawa betrayed everyone he swore allegiance to, changed allies like gloves. In the end, he united the country, founded the Siganut. He is highly respected in Japan. So Mazepa's problem is not betrayal, but that Karl lost the war. So Donskoy can also be accused of betrayal in relation to the Horde, he swore allegiance, received a label from Mamai, and then changed his mind.
      1. +4
        April 10 2025 08: 11
        Quote: Skif3216
        In Japan, Tokugawa betrayed everyone he swore allegiance to, changed allies like gloves. In the end, he united the country, founded the Siganut. He is highly respected in Japan. So Mazepa's problem is not betrayal, but that Karl lost the war. So Donskoy can also be accused of betrayal in relation to the Horde, he swore allegiance, received a label from Mamai, and then changed his mind.

        Dear Maxim! Very correctly noted. In Kleivel's novel "Shogun" this question is also raised - "How can betrayal be justified?" and Blackthorn gives a wonderful answer to it "Victory"! But this concerns the big game. Betraying a small fry is much more expensive for yourself! Especially today and in our circumstances. You just have to be crazy to act against your Motherland today, now.
        1. Des
          +2
          April 10 2025 09: 36
          Quote: kalibr
          You have to be completely out of your mind to do that. today, now to act against one's homeland.

          And yesterday, tomorrow...someday.
        2. +3
          April 10 2025 10: 36
          Quote: kalibr
          You have to be completely out of your mind to speak out against your homeland today, right now.

          As you understand, despite the fact that today we are called "Homo sapiens", to a large extent we are irrational creatures, i.e. we act not so much on the basis of "rationality" as under emotions... One of them is the desire to get rich, to get money (material values) with minimal costs. Limited intelligence does not allow us to soberly assess the risks and foresee the consequences. And if someone is caught, they always think that they were unlucky, and "I'm smarter and luckier, I'll get away with it"... By the way, this is exactly the point of view of some of our commentators, who here on VO in three lines investigate all our failures and give advice of cosmic stupidity, like "those up there have no brains, and I have a "big head" ". So, many of us are really "brainless". And where this "brainless" will lead depends on the moral and ethical components of the individual. Well, the consumerism virus appeared in the Soviet people on a massive scale from the moment Khrushchev announced the slogan "we will catch up and overtake America in meat procurement...", then the material became an inspiring guideline in the life of society in the USSR, artificially implanted and supported by the power of the country's propaganda apparatus.
        3. +3
          April 10 2025 10: 59
          Quote: kalibr
          Betraying small fry is much more expensive for you!

          Afterknowledge. Who knew Tokugawa at the beginning of his journey? A small clan, a petty feudal lord, how many of them died in obscurity, hanged for treason, the risk was always great, but he won and ruled the country, and those who grumbled about treason lost their lives or were forced to bow, descendants even consider him the father of the nation, the gatherer of lands.
          Especially today and in our circumstances.

          It's always like that, at any moment in history, those who are at the top say that we need to be patient, now is not the time, the war, winter, plague, etc. will end, and then we will get together and decide how to live fairly. When all these horrors happen, people say, we live well, there is no war, the plague is over, winter has passed, so we did everything right, why change anything.
          Quote: kalibr
          You have to be completely out of your mind to speak out against your homeland today, right now.

          How is our time different from the troubled times of 1917, the Horde invasion, 1991? Is it that now everything is fine with you and you don't want to change anything? But it has always been like that, some have a fire in one place, others shout stop.
    3. BAI
      0
      April 10 2025 07: 58
      All-Russian Peter the Great established the Order of Judas in a single copy for the traitor Mazepa.

      Order Porshenko can not be inserted - problems with the Internet
    4. Des
      +2
      April 10 2025 08: 37
      Quote: north 2
      As for Faina Ranevskaya

      She had everything.
  4. +18
    April 10 2025 05: 26
    What a strange article. Well, where is the study of the psychology of betrayal, as put in the title? A case is told. One. Private. All. And how did betrayal suddenly become a phenomenon? It was born at the same time as humanity, and will die with it. And in general, such articles are socially harmful - you can accidentally remember that our president is that very... KGB officer, and took the oath of allegiance to the USSR, and he is also a member of the CPSU and took the oath of a communist, but changed his shoes in time and became an inveterate democrat, who doesn't even have anyone to talk to, because Gandhi died. And it is better not to remember such things, because you can get slapped.
    1. +8
      April 10 2025 09: 25
      Quote: DVostok-2
      KGB officer, and took the oath of allegiance to the USSR, and he is also a member of the CPSU and took the oath of a communist


      Which, however, did not prevent him from being “always a liberal,” from admiring the open dissident Solganitsyn, and from “believing passionately, wearing a cross (by the way, under the jacket of an officer of the ideological structure) in close proximity to his party card… wassat
  5. +4
    April 10 2025 05: 33
    First of all, decency and honesty to your surroundings, to your loved ones. Everything good starts small, like everything bad. It's hard to talk about it. You have to feel it.
    1. +5
      April 10 2025 07: 58
      Betrayal is when a person betrays an oath, a pledge of allegiance to someone (and puts his signature under it) - everything else is not betrayal, but the choice of a free person (who can and has every right to change his point of view, his opinion, bearing full responsibility for the consequences of this) whether someone likes it or not. For example, all military personnel and security forces who took the oath and did not stand up to defend the USSR during its destruction - committed treason. But they "hush up" this in every possible way, God forbid others will remember this to them, therefore they are now shifting the blame to new types of "traitors" - "liberals", "bloggers", "foreigners" etc. that is, to those who did not give any oaths or vows to anyone, unlike those who did and did not fulfill them.... sad .
      1. -4
        April 10 2025 08: 54
        For example, the all military personnel and the security forces who took the oath and did not stand up to defend the USSR during its destruction committed treason.


        What are you saying? How old are you? Probably very few for those times. Since you don't know about the events of those years.
        But the truth is that it was not the army that betrayed the people, but the people that betrayed the army.
      2. +2
        April 10 2025 11: 38
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        For example, all military personnel and security forces who took the oath and did not stand up to defend the USSR during its destruction committed treason.

        “I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the ranks of the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant warrior, to strictly keep military and state secrets, to unquestioningly comply with all military regulations and orders of commanders and commanders.
        I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to protect military and national property in every way, and to the last breath to be devoted to one's People, one's Soviet Motherland and the Soviet Government.
        I'm always ready by order of the Soviet Government to come to the defense of my Motherland – the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a soldier of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and my very life to achieve complete victory over the enemies.
        If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then may I suffer the severe punishment of Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the Soviet people.”

        Here is the text of the oath of allegiance to the USSR. What should the security forces blame themselves for, who did not receive orders from the Government, commanders and superiors? What did they betray?
        1. 0
          April 10 2025 16: 08
          Quote: Mishka78
          Here is the text of the oath of allegiance to the USSR. What should the security forces blame themselves for, who did not receive orders from the Government, commanders and superiors?

          The security forces, who are like children, refer to the fact that they had no order and therefore they completely screwed up their country and gave it into the hands of traitors? And to protect your mother - do you also need an order?
          Heh...heh... Maybe the "security forces" are adults with a child's mind, if such justification arguments are good enough for them and they know no shame?

          So, for smart people, the Oath is different! For example, the Oath in the USA is "..I swear to defend the Constitution of the USA from all enemies, foreign and domestic..." .... In our time, the mention of the Law was inserted into the modern oath. But in the USSR they haven't grown up yet...that's how it is...

          But that's not all. The 1992 oath included words about the inadmissibility of using force against authorities... But they betrayed "with a pure soul" in October 1993.....

          No matter how you twist and turn, no matter how you pretend to be idiots, the sin of Judas cannot be washed away"
          1. +2
            April 10 2025 16: 53
            The oath of office in the United States "..I swear to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."

            You should at least, for starters, figure out who in the US is saying this text. Maybe you would understand that it has nothing to do with the "power structures".
          2. BAI
            0
            April 10 2025 17: 21
            The security forces, who, like children, refer to the fact that they had no orders and therefore they completely screwed up their country and gave it into the hands of traitors?

            What does an order have to do with it? (Although actions without an order are a war crime).
            The oath clearly states:
            to be loyal to your People, your Soviet Motherland and the Soviet Government.

            Who were the people with?
            The homeland remained in place.
            The Soviet government remained, which did not go against the will of the people.
            What is the violation of the oath?
            Was it necessary to move the army against the people and start a civil war?
            The USSR was fucked up by politicians, not by security forces
      3. -1
        April 10 2025 23: 41
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        For example, all military personnel and security forces who took the oath and did not stand up to defend the USSR during its destruction committed treason.

        Your childish babble about military traitors is ridiculous. First, study the legal status of the Armed Forces... And anyway, who are you to throw around accusations of treason?
  6. +5
    April 10 2025 05: 38
    In many places we have capitalism, which assumes the success of those people who earn a lot and can brag to others about their benefits (how they can spend money).
    And as Philip II of Macedon said: "A donkey loaded with gold will take any fortress."
    Some citizens are ready to sell their homeland for 10 thousand rubles, as life shows.
  7. +10
    April 10 2025 06: 06
    . not every person is able to endure pain for the sake of high ideals

    What kind of lofty ideals can the bourgeoisie have? Well, besides the dough they amass while sitting on the people's backs?
    Here we have a president beloved by all 87%. A former communist and security officer, and now a liberal and defender of oligarchs. Do you think he hasn't handed over anyone?
    1. -3
      April 10 2025 06: 49
      Quote: Stas157
      A former communist and security officer, now a liberal and defender of oligarchs. Do you think he didn't hand over anyone?

      If we consider that he betrayed the USSR, then in the USSR we had approximately 4 million official traitors - security forces (SA + MVD + KGB). Those who took the oath to defend the USSR and those who spat on the oath.
      Or "this is different!!!"?(c)
      1. +1
        April 10 2025 06: 55
        Quote: your1970
        approximately 4 million official traitors-security forces.

        And remember the Great Patriotic War! We had from 1 to 1.5 million traitors and collaborators. Not small numbers.

        Your 4 million is from the evil one. Not all of them consciously began to destroy the USSR. The majority did not agree with this.
        1. -4
          April 10 2025 07: 24
          Quote: Stas157
          Quote: your1970
          approximately 4 million official traitors-security forces.

          And remember the Great Patriotic War! We had from 1 to 1.5 million traitors and collaborators. Not small numbers.

          Your 4 million is from the evil one. Not all of them consciously began to destroy the USSR. The majority did not agree with this.

          And? What changes?
          There were 16 million communists - those who led something higher than a brigade leader then, in the majority, turned out to be bourgeois. All Agricultural managers became farmers who bought up shares from workers.
      2. +7
        April 10 2025 07: 55
        Those who swore an oath to defend the USSR and spat on the oath.
        And you read the text of the oath. It says there: by order. But there was still no order.
        1. -1
          April 10 2025 08: 23
          Quote: Aviator_
          It says there: by order. But there was no order.

          There! And there was no order from the CPSU to go and defend him. There was an order: the party no longer exists and does not have to pay dues. That's all. Where is the betrayal of individual members of the party and what was there to defend?
          1. -1
            April 11 2025 13: 55
            Quote: kalibr
            There was an order: the party no longer exists and does not have to pay dues. That's all.

            This is not a cause, but a consequence of decay. The entire leadership of the CPSU was elected. Whoever was elected, that's what they got. Not children, however. The guys haven't grown up yet to such an instrument as a political party. And if, for example, you hit yourself with a hammer and sickle... and... - the hammer and sickle are not to blame. So, there is no need to play the fool about "the party betrayed"
            1. -1
              April 11 2025 15: 00
              Quote: sidorov
              The entire leadership of the CPSU was elected.

              Aha! Just like today... Only for some reason the same ones always get elected. But now at least there is a choice. But back then there was NO alternative at all. One party, one candidate for General Secretary... And everyone is "for". So first you need to find out, and only then write, right?
        2. +1
          April 10 2025 13: 01
          Quote: Aviator_
          Those who swore an oath to defend the USSR and spat on the oath.
          And you read the text of the oath. It says there: by order. But there was still no order.

          Well, that's great!!! It means that the crowd of homosexuals called the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Government of the USSR, the Ministries and the like - Did not want to give such an order to defend the USSR. The entire top brass has rotted at the root.....

          Z. Y.
          The formula "There was no order" is very convenient for the "Khataskaraniks" ("we are 300 million sheep, there was no order, Moscow told us not to think")
          But WHY SOMETHING This formula was not used during the Great Patriotic War among the encircled people, partisans and other people who remained without commanders and communications.
          They continued kill enemies - without orders.......
          They defended the USSR without orders - and their descendants were no longer able to....
          1. +5
            April 10 2025 13: 13
            Quote: your1970
            But FOR SOME REASON this formula was not used during the Great Patriotic War among encircled people, partisans and other people left without commanders and communications.
            They continued to kill enemies - without orders.......
            They defended the USSR without orders - and their descendants were no longer able to....

            It was easier for them, they didn't have a moral choice. An enemy came to the country. An external enemy, tough, strong, merciless. And they had a choice either to kill or be killed.
            In 1991, everyone continued going to work as they had been doing. They continued watching the Vremya program in the evening. No one attacked, and it was as if there was no enemy.
            It's fashionable now to say that, wow, if only we knew what would happen, how we would have defended it! Nothing.
            Look, Prigozhin tried to defend the country the way he saw and thought was right. And then, drunk, he started playing with a grenade...
            1. 0
              April 10 2025 13: 18
              Quote: Mishka78
              Look, Prigozhin tried to defend the country the way he saw and thought was right. And then, drunk, he started playing with a grenade...

              Hmm, actually, at all times what Prigozhin did was punishable by law -
              "A rebellion cannot end successfully
              If he wins, they will call him something else" (c)
              Sablin won't let me lie - the bullet, and the order to destroy the ship had already been prepared.
              1. +2
                April 10 2025 19: 29
                in fact, at all times what Prigozhin did was punishable by law
                in fact, at all times those whom Prigozhin went to would have been sitting on a stake or in some other dungeon. Where have you seen such a careless attitude towards their army in a war that they themselves launched?
                1. -1
                  April 10 2025 23: 08
                  Quote from alexoff
                  Where have you seen such a careless attitude towards their army in a war that they themselves started?

                  In the USSR - an absolutely indifferent attitude towards the army in the 1980s. In the slogans "Our mighty unshakable army!" (C), but in fact - disenfranchised migrant workers, senseless baldopkicking and slaves of the marshals.
                  As for anything, they immediately shoved the army in like a plug, either to scoop up feces, or to harvest crops, or to put out fires, or wherever they were needed. Free workforce. The virgin lands battalions alone were worth something with the construction battalion.
                  Out of 2 years of service, God willing, I've accumulated a month or two of combat training.
                  Shooting - are you kidding me??? If you've shot through 2 magazines in 2 years - you're a beast, if you've shot through 4 - you're practically a sniper.
                  Sheer show =SA in the 1980s

                  Quote from alexoff
                  who did Prigozhin go to?

                  The billionaire oligarch went to a meeting, but as soon as his accounts and cash were frozen, he turned around.
                  1. +2
                    April 10 2025 23: 26
                    Quote: your1970
                    In the USSR, there was an absolutely indifferent attitude towards the army in the 1980s.
                    It is clear that the army was a real mess and hazing, but the USSR didn't give a damn about the army as such, for some reason they churned out three thousand new MBTs a year, and not two hundred, as they do now. The soldiers didn't buy everything for themselves. Military pilots were the most desirable grooms among the ladies. My great-uncle served in Azerbaijan and got a four-room apartment there, now a military mortgage in cities with a population of over a million can only be pulled out for a one-room apartment.
                    Quote: your1970
                    Billionaire oligarch goes to a meeting

                    Well, where have you ever seen a billionaire go and deal with his army himself, instead of drinking it all away in London or Geneva? There is no such thing now, but there are still fans of direct flights to the USA.
                    Quote: your1970
                    As soon as the accounts and cash were frozen, I turned around.

                    I think everything was much more complicated there, he hardly expected anything else. He would have gotten there - unblocked and received more on top.
                    1. -1
                      April 11 2025 06: 10
                      Quote from alexoff
                      Well, where have you ever seen a billionaire go and deal with his army himself, and not drink it all away in London or Geneva?

                      We had one ordinary oligarch - living by his own rules and having his own army.
                      Exactly according to the concepts, as soon as the Ministry of Defense announced the transfer to a contract - and this is minus at least 100 from the allowance of each fighter, and this is a mountain of money for him - he rushed to the meeting to resolve the issue.
                      There was talk about changing the supplier of food for the army and "Conord" - and that's it - and that means another billions.
                      Quote from alexoff
                      I think everything was much more complicated there, he hardly expected anything else. He would have gotten there - unblocked and received more on top
                      - any government moves to another place when the enemy approaches the capital. It is obvious that if he had reached the capital, everyone would have moved to St. Petersburg or Arkhangelsk.
                      He hoped that there would be squabbles over concepts, nothing more, although it is obvious to anyone that there would not be any.
                      Oligarch and justice are nonsense.
                      1. +1
                        April 11 2025 14: 15
                        And how long would it have taken him to get to St. Petersburg? And who would our geostrategists actually command after such regroupings? I suspect the whole country would be interested in watching videos on the Internet of Wagner visiting the mansions of ministers and their deputies, with stacks of money scattered on the floor, as they fled in a hurry. And an oligarch without arrows would have received a printing press, and not an extension of contracts for supplying the army. And you don't have to be a genius to give a speech to the population about getting rid of national traitors, and now we are smashing Kyiv with a loaf of bread!
                      2. -1
                        April 11 2025 15: 45
                        Quote from alexoff
                        And who would our geostrategists actually command after such regroupings?

                        Exactly the same as before and now - the army. If you haven't noticed - the army, down to the rank and file, weren't particularly happy/pleased with being neighbors with Wagner. Fencing off your neighbor with minefields - well, that's not so bad, no one does that for no reason...
                        .
                        Quote from alexoff
                        And an oligarch without arrows would have received a printing press altogether,
                        - it's hardly that much. Money - without its official introduction into circulation - is waste paper.

                        Back in 2015, I wrote here that games with PMCs will not lead to anything good.
                        And yes - Wagner's numbers are known exclusively from his words.....
                      3. +4
                        April 11 2025 16: 46
                        Exactly the same as before and now - the army.
                        there was no noticeable zeal on the part of the army to defend Shoigu and his comrades. Maybe there was no great love for Prigozhin, but no one noticed any resistance either
                        Money - without its official introduction into circulation - is waste paper.
                        When the government flees the capital, their orders become waste paper.
                        Back in 2015, I wrote here that games with PMCs will not lead to anything good.
                        well, all the actions of the Russian government since April 2014 have not led to anything good. Well, except for all the Manturovs and other crooked-handed people, they have gained some good
                      4. -1
                        April 11 2025 17: 14
                        Quote from alexoff
                        there was no noticeable zeal on the part of the army to defend Shoigu and his comrades. Maybe there was no great love for Prigozhin, but no one noticed any resistance either

                        Yeah, how many pilots died? And this is taking into account that there were no units before Moscow....
                        And Prigozhin immediately shifted the blame: "Druak pvoshnik, shot it down himself!" (c) - as soon as the accounts were blocked....

                        Quote from alexoff
                        When the government flees the capital, their orders become waste paper.
                        - Seriously? And was the USSR aware of it when the entire government evacuated to Kuibyshev in 1941?

                        Quote from alexoff
                        Well, apart from all the Manturovs and other crooked-handed people, they have more good stuff
                        China, with its so-called communists, holds 1st place in the number of billionaires - by a wide margin capitalists USA and RF lol For some reason billionaires don't bother communists, but they do bother capitalists...
          2. +3
            April 10 2025 13: 24
            But FOR SOME REASON this formula was not used during the Great Patriotic War among encircled people, partisans and other people left without commanders and communications.
            They continued to kill enemies - without orders

            1) What's so hard to understand? An external enemy is always more obvious than an internal one. This works at any level. Not even at the level of "Why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye but do not notice the log in your own eye?"
            2) Well, and "people left without commanders and without communications" did not receive a cancellation of the order))) And the order itself "to kill enemies" would have been given to them before the loss of commanders and communications)))
            1. -4
              April 10 2025 13: 30
              They convinced him, Soviet people couldn't do anything without orders. It wasn't like Lenin/Trotsky in 1917 - they took power without orders...
              And the Soviet people are saigas, not even sheep, they have never seen an enemy, well, what enemies are there inside...
              Z. Y.
              Let me clarify - on what basis are they now screaming that their power has been taken away from them - if they have done nothing to protect it?
              1. +2
                April 10 2025 13: 35
                Persuaded

                You are true to yourself - to attribute to your interlocutor something that he did not say and then reduce this attributed information to the point of absurdity in order to present your interlocutor in a stupid light.
                1. -2
                  April 10 2025 13: 43
                  Quote: A vile skeptic
                  Persuaded

                  You are true to yourself - to attribute to your interlocutor something that he did not say and then reduce this attributed information to the point of absurdity in order to present your interlocutor in a stupid light.

                  You convinced me, I confess, I am guilty - I attributed too much to you...
          3. 0
            April 10 2025 19: 00
            But FOR SOME REASON this formula was not used during the Great Patriotic War among encircled people, partisans and other people left without commanders and communications.
            Yes, there were some. But they were there because there was communist ideology, and by the end of the 80s the CPSU had completely switched to capitalist ideology.
      3. 0
        April 10 2025 08: 56
        If we consider that he betrayed the USSR - then in the USSR we had about 4 million official traitors - security forces (SA + MVD + KGB). Those who swore to defend the USSR and spat on the oath.
        Or "this is different!!!"?(c)


        Who was the army supposed to protect from, from its own people who betrayed it?
      4. +1
        April 10 2025 15: 45
        Quote: your1970
        If we consider that he betrayed the USSR - then in the USSR we had about 4 million official traitors - security forces (SA + MVD + KGB). Those who swore to defend the USSR and spat on the oath.

        And what about twenty million communists? Nothing to do with it? The country was brought to ruin. Smoothly, without jerks... systematically... That's where you need to look for traitors...
  8. +17
    April 10 2025 06: 23
    Because greed is not only one of the deadly sins, it also, as it turns out, can go hand in hand with such a crime as treason!

    Yes, Vyacheslav Olegovich, betrayal is as old as the world. What is the moral of the article, that someone was recognized as a traitor to the Motherland? For what and how, is not voiced. After all, we have an interesting attitude to traitors, an oddball who for some reason transfers his pension to the Armed Forces of Ukraine becomes a traitor and receives an article where he faces a considerable term. Here, our Gazprom can transfer about 1,3 billion dollars a year for transit to Bandera's Ukraine, and, nothing, we must understand, this will not go to war against Russia, to the murder of Russians. The justification is gorgeous, they pay taxes, and otherwise, someone else will sell this gas to the enemy anyway. Another topic of betrayal, how could one be a member of the CPSU and suddenly become an ardent capitalist? Isn't that betrayal? And the excuse is also close to the "gas theme", it was such a time, they say, everyone had to join in order to advance, otherwise it was impossible to make a career, get a position, publish a book, and so on. We have renegades who betrayed the Soviet Union and the Communist Party. What's strange is that I haven't heard much about former Nazis by conviction, fascists and Nazis are not former, but members of the CPSU are, precisely members, unfortunately the party turned out to have little brains. Probably these former PPP-ers were tortured, forced to learn the code of the builders of communism... We have what we have, ranting about betrayal, and looking at the new billionaire oligarchs, who for money will sell not only Russia, but also their own mother.
    1. +1
      April 10 2025 20: 47
      forced to learn the code of the builders of communism...
      They knew the Communist Manifesto by heart. One of them was bragging. But they couldn't figure out Materialism and Empiriocriticism. Or Iskra either.
      1. 0
        April 11 2025 15: 09
        Quote: Aviator_
        But they couldn't figure out "Materialism and Empiriocriticism". And "Iskra" too.
        ... Oh... and then a word forbidden in VO! Sergey, stop disgracing yourself with your pettiness and womanish squabbling. You are a doctor of science, head of department, a great scientist, but you are petty like a woman at the market who was shortchanged by three kopecks. You repeat the same thing ten times, as if you have no brains for anything more. Instead of some interesting comments on the merits, you work at the level of the commentators from "Novosti". I remember there was a WARMAN here, also a doctor of technical sciences, head of department. You could judge this from his comments, you could feel it. From yours, only one thing is felt: "You can take a girl out of a village, but you can't take a village out of a girl."
        1. 0
          April 11 2025 17: 47
          Is there anything relevant that you can object to? What I wrote is the level of your penetration into your main specialty. Was the level really much deeper?
          1. 0
            April 11 2025 18: 00
            Quote: Aviator_
            Is there anything relevant that you can say in response to my question?

            Why should I prove anything to you? For a biased person, it is pointless. Continue to replicate your absurdities and demonstrate your pettiness and narrow-mindedness. More comments - more benefit to VO. You should have seen the photos I posted in response to Alexey's comment. That says it all.
            1. +1
              April 11 2025 18: 22
              That is, there is nothing to say. How can I, petty and narrow-minded, reach the intellectual heights of a shopkeeper?
              1. 0
                April 12 2025 07: 08
                Quote: Aviator_
                That is, there is nothing to say. How can I, petty and narrow-minded, reach the intellectual heights of a shopkeeper?

                The main thing is that you, Sergey, continue writing. You are far from the level of Midshipman, and I don't even dream of having comments from you approaching the level of V.N.'s comments. You are only capable of stupid... comments. But you write, write... even a black sheep can get a tuft of wool.
                1. +1
                  April 12 2025 09: 39
                  You see, Vyacheslav, to hell with you, if you need pennies from comments, then please, since there is no other way to earn money for farm milk. Yesterday there was a message from you about the village and the girl. It's about mentality. My mentality was formed in childhood, in a provincial military garrison. And it can't be changed, especially since at that time there was a victorious army around me. And you - there was a mercantile world around you, when happiness was a good profit from selling apples at the market. After all, I went to Marxism-Leninism then for the profit too. Dried crabs and fake African masks - from there. Everything is as Ilf and Petrov wrote - there is a big world and a small world. In the big world, famous flights were made and the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station was built, in the small world - the bubble go away-go away and the style of trousers "Polpred" were invented. And this mentality also can't be changed. As for the comments - like the table, like the chair (medical proverb).
                  1. 0
                    April 12 2025 13: 45
                    Quote: Aviator_
                    in a provincial military garrison.

                    Noticeably. But the current situation still obliges you to at least not poke at people you barely know... With this, you, a doctor of sciences, head of department, laureate of the Zhukovsky Prize, humiliate yourself more than me. In your position, to be petty like you do, is simply not proper for a person of your level.
                    1. +1
                      April 12 2025 13: 47
                      How tender, just like a schoolgirl. Apart from the pretensions of addressing him informally, you have nothing else to say in response? So, everything is correct about the mentality. Bye, shopkeeper.
                      1. +1
                        April 12 2025 13: 49
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        How tender, just like a schoolgirl. Apart from the pretensions of addressing him informally, you have nothing else to say in response? So, everything is correct about the mentality. Bye, shopkeeper.

                        It's not me who's gentle, it's you who's as dumb as a cork if you don't understand what I wrote to you.
                      2. +1
                        April 12 2025 14: 19
                        That is, again, the standard answer of a professional propagandist-shopkeeper. If only he could learn to express his thoughts and answer questions normally, he is pathetic.
                      3. 0
                        April 12 2025 15: 19
                        Quote: Aviator_
                        If only he could learn to express his thoughts and answer questions normally, you pathetic thing.

                        Why should I try for you? Who are you, what use are you here? Only clicks. So this will do. You need to try to answer: A - to those who make decisions, and B - to those who pay. You do not belong to either category. And you are not at the level of a midshipman, and Viktor Nikolaevich... Therefore, in communicating with you there can only be one meaning - work for the site. I work well for it.
  9. +2
    April 10 2025 06: 59
    Exploring the psychology of betrayal…

    The author has chosen some strange examples. Why not take an example of a different plan? Millions of 1991 betrayed the military oath to the USSR, and some of them re-swore to another state, and there are those who betrayed the second oath and swore to another state and were accepted for military service.
    And is there anyone who after 1991 did not recognize the collapse of the USSR and did not change his passport until the last moment and still does not consider himself a citizen of the Russian Federation - is he a traitor to the Russian Federation? And those who in June 2023 supported "Wagner" and betrayed Putin, are they also traitors or not?
    P.S.: Purely hypothetically. If tomorrow some unit revolts and goes to Moscow to overthrow the existing government, accusing it of selling out, for example to the West in the person of the USA, is the one who does not interfere with them by doing nothing a traitor or not?
    1. -1
      April 10 2025 07: 18
      Quote: Puncher
      Millions of 1991 betrayed the military oath of the USSR,

      Why are you all drawn to write about millions? Here is a specific example of a person with biographical facts and the result of his psychology. What are millions for? A drop of water can tell us that there is an ocean somewhere. But our readers are drawn to millions or to write about something that no one knows about. Do you want opinions based on incomplete knowledge or at least a little bit of complete knowledge?
    2. 0
      April 10 2025 07: 46
      The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

      Quote: Puncher
      Millions of 1991 betrayed the military oath of the USSR

      Have you even seen the oath? Here is a quote from it:

      "... I'm always ready by order of the Soviet Government to come to the defense of my Motherland – the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and..."

      Now tell me, was there an order from the USSR government? No, there was no such order! There was one order - to sit in the Lenin rooms and watch TV. We carried out this order.

      Dmitry Timofeevich Yazov refused to give the order to wind the crowd onto the tracks of armored vehicles:
      1. -2
        April 10 2025 07: 55
        Now tell me, was there an order from the USSR government? No, there was no such order!

        There was an order, but you're pretending it didn't happen. It's so convenient...
        P.S.: And when the USSR was destroyed before your eyes on December 8, 1991, were you also waiting for an “order”?
        1. +7
          April 10 2025 07: 57
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote: Puncher
          There was an order, but you are just pretending it didn’t exist.

          Date, order number, who gave it and who was informed? Otherwise you're a chatterbox!

          ps
          The government will never give the order to destroy itself.

          Quote: Puncher
          and when the USSR was destroyed before your eyes on December 8, 1991, were you also waiting for an "order"?

          If the army starts acting independently without orders, it will not be an army, but an armed gang. Let's look at Ukraine.
          1. +8
            April 10 2025 08: 40
            Quote: Boris55
            If an army starts to act independently without orders, then it will not be an army.
            Who raised the tricolors and went over to Yeltsin's side in the Moscow "Maidan" of 1991, what orders were they following? Who fired tanks at the White House in the center of Moscow in 1993, who were they? Finally, who were the three who in Belovezhskaya Pushcha voluntarily declared the dissolution of the Soviet Union, relying on both the Constitution and the results of the All-Union referendum for the preservation of the USSR, who were they? How legal was everything when the people were promised democracy, but instead they picked up capitalism, for which no one voted, no one signed up. How they carried out a predatory privatization, and, what's more, the former member of the CPSU, Mr. "Comrade" Chubais, has already fled abroad, along with all the state secrets. Who let him go so easily? Here is my oath, which we took in the pouring rain, clutching an AK-74 to our chests.
            “I, a citizen of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, joining the ranks of the Armed Forces, take the oath and solemnly swear:

            to be an honest, brave, disciplined, vigilant warrior, to strictly keep military and state secrets, to unquestioningly comply with all military manuals and orders of commanders and commanders.

            I swear to conscientiously study military affairs, to cherish military and national property in every way, and to the last breath to be devoted to my People, my Soviet Motherland and the Soviet Government.

            I am always ready, by order of the Soviet Government, to defend my Motherland - the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and, as a warrior of the Armed Forces, I swear to defend it courageously, skillfully, with dignity and honor, not sparing my blood and life itself to achieve complete victory over the enemies .

            If I violate this solemn oath of mine, then may I suffer the severe punishment of Soviet law, the universal hatred and contempt of the workers.”

            Who did not give the order to protect our country, who are they?
            The State Emergency Committee, who seemed to want to preserve the USSR, but in reality only ruined everything, provoked and discredited it, instead of promptly arresting and executing the traitors, who are they?
            Lastly, if we have communists left, how do they treat renegades, and is Gennady Andreyevich a communist, who is more of a nasal dogma-monger and also more of a discrediter of the great idea than an opponent and opposition to the bourgeois government.
            1. 0
              April 10 2025 08: 56
              The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

              Quote: Per se.
              Who fired tanks at the White House in the center of Moscow in 1993, who are they?

              The order was given personally, eye to eye, on the bridge, to the tank crew by "Pasha Mercedes". The tank commander received a major for this. All this was broadcast live, and since the order was to watch TV, almost all the servicemen saw it.

              The question should be put differently. Why did the people not support the leading and guiding. How did the Trotskyists manage to change the vector of the country's movement to the opposite. Why do we need to know this? To do the same thing, but in the opposite direction.
              1. +4
                April 10 2025 12: 34
                Quote: Boris55
                The order was given personally, eye to eye, on the bridge, to the tank crew by "Pasha Mercedes". The tank commander received the rank of major for this.

                Malyshev. I forgot his first and middle names. He was the chief of staff in the 245th Motorized Rifle Regiment, where I was deputy chief of finance in 1999-2000. When I was there, he was a lieutenant colonel. He drank terribly...
            2. BAI
              0
              April 10 2025 17: 30
              Until the last breath, be faithful to your People, your Soviet Homeland and Soviet Government.

              Once again, if the people and the government find themselves on different sides of the barricades, whose side should the army be on?
              In our unit, for example, everyone had relatives among the people, but no one had relatives in the government.
              And who should I shoot? My relatives or an abstract government?
              Do you even understand what you're talking about?
              1. -1
                April 11 2025 08: 07
                Quote: BAI
                Once again, if the people and the government find themselves on different sides of the barricades, whose side should the army be on?

                The purpose of the army is to protect the state from external threats. To solve internal problems, there are Internal Troops - the National Guard. What happens when the army starts solving internal problems - Ukraine has demonstrated to us in full.

                The Armed Forces, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the GRU, the SVR, etc. are instruments of power for conducting both domestic and foreign policy. The best thing that the security forces have done is not to interfere in the showdown between the government and the people - otherwise there will be a civil war and the collapse of Russia into appanage principalities.
    3. +4
      April 10 2025 07: 50
      Quote: Puncher
      Millions of 1991 betrayed the military oath of the USSR

      I disagree. How did they betray the oath? The military acts on orders. There was no order to go to war (where? with whom?). The Motherland did not give it in the person of its commanders. And the transition from socialism to capitalism was not announced at all. It went unnoticed by most! And no one formally destroyed the USSR. It was simply reformed in the CIS. The fact that it was a betrayal and a deception became clear later. Personally, at the time, I did not understand anything at all! What was happening, what would happen... It was unknown.
    4. 0
      April 10 2025 07: 56
      Quote: Puncher
      P.S.: Purely hypothetically. If tomorrow some unit revolts and goes to Moscow to overthrow the existing government, accusing it of selling out, for example to the West in the person of the USA, is the one who does not interfere with them by doing nothing a traitor or not?

      It could be even more fun. Many here are concerned about returning to the country with the most delicious ice cream, I wonder if tomorrow the VKPb 2.0 appears and starts robbing collectors, blowing up governors, smashing police stations, conducting propaganda in the army, like men, bayonets to the ground, let's go to Moscow and the bourgeoisie will divide the people's wealth, and so on down the list, will they be considered traitors or fighters for a bright future?
      1. +2
        April 10 2025 08: 19
        Quote: Skif3216
        if tomorrow the VKPb 2.0 appears and starts robbing collectors, blowing up governors, smashing police stations, and conducting propaganda in the army, like, men, stick your bayonets in the ground, Let's go to Moscowу

        The Bolsheviks seized power in October 1917 under conditions of dual power. When there was a war and the country was in turmoil. And the tsarist elite (generals and counts) were to blame for this, having carried out the February bourgeois revolution under conditions of war.
        There is nothing like that today. There is no dual power. Therefore, your fantasies are an attempt to pull the proverbial owl. All revolutions happen from above, and not from the men.
        1. -4
          April 10 2025 08: 42
          The essence of Russian civilization is Bolshevism.

          Quote: Stas157
          The Bolsheviks seized power in October 1917 under conditions of dual power.

          Absolutely right. The Bolsheviks slept Russia in 1917, in 1941, in 2000.
          The rantings of Puncher and others boil down to one thing - they want to instill in us a sense of guilt and make us repent. They won't get it!
          1. +1
            April 10 2025 08: 50
            Stop "saving Russia", enemies of the USSR. Otherwise, first, led by Yeltsin, you "saved Russia", then, led by his "successor", you "saved Russia", then, led by the "successor" of the "successor", you will "save Russia", and all this under the general ideology of "we have nothing to do with everything that you have done to Russia and its people.
            1. -10
              April 10 2025 09: 08
              Flies - separately, cutlets - separately.

              Quote: tatra
              Enough of "saving Russia"

              Maybe it's enough of Trotskyist experiments on Russia?
              Then there won't be any need to save anyone...

              - The boyars surrendered Moscow to the Poles. The Bolsheviks Minin and Pozharsky saved Russia from the Poles.

              - Trotskyists: Russia is the firewood for the World Revolution. The Bolshevik Stalin seized control and saved Russia.

              - The Trotskyists brought the fascists to Moscow and tried to remove Stalin with the help of Hitler. The Bolshevik Stalin saved the country from the brown plague.

              - Trotskyists Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorvachev with Yeltsin put the country under the West. Bolshevik Putin saves Russia from total destruction.

              ps
              And it all started in 988...
        2. +3
          April 10 2025 10: 41
          Quote: Stas157
          The Bolsheviks seized power in October 1917 under conditions of dual power.

          That's true, but before that they sat quietly as mice? No exes, no murders, no propaganda? They were already involved in the Russo-Japanese affair, shaking the foundations of the monarchy.
          Quote: Stas157
          There is nothing like that today. There is no dual power.

          That is, if the damned liberals in the government start troubles, all this will happen
          enslave collectors, blow up governors, smash police stations, spread propaganda in the army, saying, "Men, stick your bayonets in the ground, let's go to Moscow and let the bourgeoisie divide the people's wealth"

          will it be okay? for the sake of business of course.
          1. +3
            April 10 2025 10: 53
            Quote: Skif3216
            That is if the damn liberals are in government they will start a turmoil

            Why do they need unrest? They are already in power! You are strange.

            There are also liberals like Navalny and the right. But they have absolutely no support from the population. Even if they really wanted to, they wouldn't be able to. They are not in power, and there is no support from the people.
            1. +1
              April 10 2025 11: 08
              Quote: Stas157
              But they have absolutely no support from the population. Even if they really want to, they won't be able to. They are not in power, and there is no support from the people.

              A small one, but it exists, and the majority of the population is always for stability, but they do not decide anything and calmly watched as people's power was first established in the capital, and 70 years later this power was replaced by capitalists. The problem of today's liberals is that a generation of indoor flowers has grown up in the capitals, they do not want to die and kill for their ideas, they are afraid of blood, and so they do not go to power.
          2. +1
            April 10 2025 20: 54
            no exes, no murders, no propaganda?
            The Exes and Murders are the Socialist Revolutionaries (SRs). The Bolsheviks are the Social Democrats (SDs), who eventually split into the Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks.
    5. +1
      April 10 2025 09: 43
      You took the oath yourself, remember the words in it? And do you know how the Aomiya differs from the rest of society?
  10. +16
    April 10 2025 07: 06
    If a person refused money altogether. So to speak, showed himself to be an "ideological fighter".

    After the highlighted phrase I stopped reading, because my slippers almost broke from laughter. Since the author is an ideological fighter for banknotes, he ideologically fought for them under the Soviet regime, he ideologically fights under the new, Soviet regime, he was an ideological, "true-believing" communist, and now he is an ideological, true-believing anti-communist. No matter what the government, as long as he lives to his heart's content. That's his whole idea.
    P.S. Shpakovsky, you once said in a dialogue with me that you make money on our comments. Here, a piece of silver in the form of my comment, for the kids, for milk, and watch out, don't buy milk in the store, buy it from a farmer, it's better to buy it. laughing
    1. -8
      April 10 2025 07: 50
      Quote: parusnik
      Here you go, silver coin,

      Still, you are stupid, Alexey, and I sincerely feel sorry for you. Your click is needed first of all not by me, but by YOURSELF. Because if there are no clicks, there will be no site either and you will not read it. I have written about this many times, about advertising and other things, but apparently it does not get through. You are trying for yourself, and only then for me. And I think you understand that any work must be paid.
      1. +7
        April 10 2025 08: 09
        Here's another silver coin for you, for milk. laughing Why do you react so painfully to stupid comments, "ideological" fighter for banknotes? You are smart, aren't you? And a smart person, as we know, does not enter into discussions with stupid people, only with similar ones. I very rarely read your articles, only the headlines, very rarely, and even then at an angle. I would be very glad if you were not published at all. laughing But you need to earn money...what else can you do...you need to support the dairy farming business, otherwise it will disappear without your injections. The article interested me with its title, it turns out that a traitor is thinking about betrayal. Will you come running for the next silver coin? Will we bring it up to 30? laughing
        P.S. And your smart comment was written in the spirit of what you are like. laughing
        1. -5
          April 10 2025 08: 14
          Quote: parusnik
          Why do you react so painfully to stupid comments, "ideological" fighter for banknotes?

          What made you decide... painful... Ha! You can choose any words and arrange them in any order you want. That's what they are words for.
          Quote: parusnik
          I would be very glad if you didn't publish at all.

          I'm afraid other readers wouldn't agree with you. That's the problem. You don't like it. But they do. You don't consider yourself the best, do you? So respect their opinion, too.
          1. -3
            April 10 2025 08: 55
            Quote: kalibr
            I'm afraid other readers wouldn't agree with you. That's the problem. You don't like it. But they do. You don't consider yourself the best, do you? So respect their opinion, too.

            By the way, Alexey! You should also remember that everything is decided by the opinion of the people "making the decision". I just received a parcel from the editorial office of VO... There is a slightly different assessment of my work. Different from yours. A beautiful thing, what can I say. I will hang it on the wall and admire it...
            1. +2
              April 10 2025 09: 19
              And here is the fourth silver coin! The show goes on! Only today!
          2. +1
            April 10 2025 09: 18
            Here is the third silver coin "Oh, you are so greedy Ivan Petrov" (c)... laughing However, like attracts like, you must agree that the smart one will not reach out to the stupid one. laughing And stupid to stupid, always. You are simply drawn to me. laughing
            P.S.
            Attention! An unprecedented attraction of greed! The author begs for silver coins from the commentator! Smart, reaches out to the stupid! Only today! The attraction is demonstrated for free!
            1. -3
              April 10 2025 09: 28
              Quote: parusnik
              You are simply drawn to me.

              Of course! You are a perfect object for manipulation.
              1. +1
                April 10 2025 09: 43
                The sixth silver coin! An unprecedented attraction of greed! The author begs for silver coins from the commentator! The smart one reaches out to the stupid! Only today! The attraction is demonstrated for free!
                Not for your manipulations. Will you come for the rest of the silver coins? laughing
      2. +5
        April 10 2025 08: 16
        Still, you are stupid, Alexey, and I sincerely feel sorry for you.
        A classic argument of a professional Marxist-Leninist! How can we, ordinary people, keep up with his flight of thought...
        1. -2
          April 10 2025 08: 17
          Quote: Aviator_
          Still, you are stupid, Alexey, and I sincerely feel sorry for you.
          A classic argument of a professional Marxist-Leninist! How can we, ordinary people, keep up with his flight of thought...

          And I was waiting for you, Sergey, to show up. So much of my material has already passed through here, and you are still nowhere to be found. But now, finally, you can throw your two cents into our common pot. Thank you!
        2. -1
          April 10 2025 08: 26
          The classic essence of the enemies of the communists - for all 33 years you, all those members of the CPSU who "saw the light" during Perestroika, who together with you are angry against the communists, slander them, still stubbornly throw it at the communists.
          Here, Irina Khakamada is an ardent anti-communist, BUT under the communists’ rule she got into the CPSU, taught “political economy of socialism” at the Institute, and when Kurginyan asked her on the “Court of Time” program why she taught it if she herself did not believe in it, Khakamada answered that it was simply her job.
        3. 0
          April 10 2025 09: 22
          How can we, ordinary people, keep up with his flight of thought...

          Sergey, my respects, and now you too have been "counted" laughing
          1. +1
            April 10 2025 18: 57
            To receive such feedback from a professional PR-shopkeeper is a great compliment.
  11. +11
    April 10 2025 07: 11
    Shpakovsky wrote an autobiographical article.
    1. 0
      April 10 2025 07: 37
      Quote: Million
      Shpakovsky wrote an autobiographical article.

      Well, Vlad, if that were the case, I would be sitting in the Penza pretrial detention center right now, right? But what isn't there isn't there.
  12. -1
    April 10 2025 07: 12
    And who are NOT traitors among the enemies of the USSR? And for them, non-traitors are the collaborators of the Civil and Great Patriotic Wars, who ran in their millions to toady before the occupiers of their Motherland, the interventionists and the Germans/Hitlerites, and together with them killed their fellow citizens. They justify them, praise them, erect monuments to them. And those of them whom the communists repressed and executed for collaboration, the enemies of the USSR also wrote down as "innocently repressed."
    For them, Gorbachev is not a traitor, nor are all those members of the CPSU who “saw the light” during Perestroika, with whom they slander the Bolshevik communists.
  13. 0
    April 10 2025 07: 22
    In my opinion, the author of the article touched upon a very interesting topic, it’s just not entirely clear why there are such angry comments.
    There was a famous writer of his time (everyone has forgotten him) Leonid Andreev, who wrote a story - Judas Iscariot - where Andreev analyzed in detail the theme of betrayal, the story turned out, it must be said, rather vile and blasphemous.
    1. +1
      April 10 2025 08: 24
      Before writing about "betrayal", you should at least understand it. For example, you should know that there are "traitors" and there are "traitors". "To betray" - you can only "someone", that is, someone to whom you personally swore an oath, using a "fixing" ritual - an oath on the Holy Scripture, "on blood", using any other ritual known to everyone and accepted for this, with a secured certificate, putting your signature under the relevant document, etc. "Traitor" - is someone who has changed his "word", promise, etc. That is, someone who, as they say now - "is the master of his word" - "gave his word - took his word back". So who are we talking about? About "Traitors", "Traitors" or simply - about those who "do not support", "do not agree", "do not want"? "have a different opinion"?
      1. +2
        April 10 2025 08: 51
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        "A traitor" is someone who has broken his "word", promise, etc. That is, someone who, as they say now, is "a master of his word" - "he gave his word and took it back."

        An interesting interpretation, as is the commentary as a whole, that is, it turns out that he is neither a traitor nor a betrayer, but simply has a different opinion.
      2. +1
        April 10 2025 08: 53
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        gave his word - took it back

        Shame is not smoke - it doesn't hurt the eyes.
    2. +4
      April 10 2025 12: 22
      Quote: bober1982
      In my opinion, the author of the article touched upon a very interesting topic, it’s just not entirely clear why there are such angry comments.

      The more acutely a person feels his own guilt in something, the more furiously he attacks those who, in his opinion, are guilty of the same. This happens when a person cannot get rid of the reasons for which he sinned against his conscience, according to his understanding. Helplessness in this matter gives birth to rage, so an attempt is made to overcome sin at least outside of oneself.
      "We love people for the good we do to them, and we hate them for the evil we do to them."
  14. +13
    April 10 2025 07: 28
    Mr. V. Shpakovsky knows how to "stir up" the community of VO admirers with some of his provocative articles.

    ...Yes, here, at least, we could be talking about 100 rubles, since you decided to hire yourself out as a killer. Still, at least some temptation, although personally I wouldn't even agree to "let the winds fly in crowded rooms" in the interests of the enemy for that kind of money . ...


    Mr., you said it. No one forced you to say it.
    And for what money would they agree to “let the winds flow in crowded rooms” in the interests of the enemy?

    If we talk about the psychology of betrayal, we must understand that it is a moral crime.
    Capitalist and socialist societies have different moral guidelines.

    "Capital avoids noise and abuse and is distinguished by a timid nature. This is true, but it is not the whole truth. Capital fears the absence of profit or too little profit, as nature fears a vacuum.
    But once there is sufficient profit at hand, capital becomes bold. Provide 10%, and capital is ready for any application; at 20% it becomes animated, at 50% it is positively ready to break its neck; at 100% it tramples underfoot all human laws; at 300% there is no crime it would not risk, even under pain of the gallows.
    If noise and abuse bring profit, capital will promote both. Proof: smuggling and the slave trade." Thomas Joseph Dunning - English publicist of the 19th century


    Speaking about betrayal in the Russian Federation, I would like to receive an assessment from the authorities of the following fact:

    According to the calculations of State Duma deputy Kolomiytsev, the former prime minister, 11 first deputy prime ministers, and 28 governors have left the country.

    Who are these people? In 2017, there was a scandal with one of Nabiullina's former deputies, Sergei Shvetsov, who had (or has) assets in the United States, then in Mexico, and could not report on the income from his foreign real estate within the time limit established by law. They wrote about the former Minister of Agriculture Elena Skrynnik, who has a luxurious villa on the French Riviera. And the former Minister of Foreign Affairs Andrei Kozyrev lives in one of the most elite high-rises in New York. There was also the governor of Perm Krai Chirkunov - after his resignation, he publicly stated that he "wants to live far away from the Russians." Moreover, there were cases when among the managers of the country's largest bank, persons with foreign citizenship of the United States and Britain were discovered, which by that time had already imposed sanctions against Russia. This story was investigated by State Duma deputy Alexander Yakubovsky, who named the names: Lev Khasis, a US citizen; Yulia Chupina, a Spanish citizen; David Rafalovsky, a dual citizen of Israel and the US. With the start of the SVO, they left their jobs, went abroad, but took with them a large amount of information that could potentially be of interest to the special services in their work against Russia. Remember at least Mikhail Lesin, the former Minister of the Press, who collaborated with the American special services.

    The problem is multifaceted. Firstly, there is the question of how exactly the former officials left Russia, bypassing the ban on leaving the country for those who had access to state secrets, without special permission. This concerns former deputy prime ministers and governors, as well as employees of the defense industry, etc. Do we have no control over this at all, or did someone give them permission to leave? And who? Let me remind you that, according to the law, Russians who have been or have been previously cleared of state secrets are limited in their right to travel abroad for a period specified in their employment contract. On average, this is 5-10 years.

    The main issue remains the selection of personnel. After all, someone hired all these people, they somehow rose to high ranks. It turns out that someone turned a blind eye to the fact that they were stealing. Because if they had not stolen, they would have had no reason and no money to flee abroad. Who is responsible for the fact that high-ranking officials, employees of strategic or defense enterprises - carriers of top secret information - fled abroad? Will anyone be held accountable for this?
    https://glasnarod.ru/obshhestvo/oleg-carev-prokommentiroval-slova-deputata-gosdumy-kolomijceva-zayavivshego-chto-za-granicu-vyehali-byvshij-premer-11-pervyh-vice-premerov-28-gubernatorov/
    1. -7
      April 10 2025 07: 40
      Quote: AA17
      And for what money would they agree to “let the winds flow in crowded rooms” in the interests of the enemy?

      Isn't it clear from the text of the article? Not for any amount of money! Because betraying your country is not justified in any way, either morally or economically. The fact that people don't understand this only shows that... they don't sow or winnow, they just happen to be born that way.
    2. -1
      April 10 2025 07: 45
      Quote: AA17
      fled abroad?

      "I would like to receive an assessment from the authorities of the following fact:... The assessment will be strictly negative. Do you want to vacation abroad? Please! But then don't be an official and don't engage in activities that, under certain circumstances, could cause damage to your state. As a private individual, do whatever you want. As a public official, only what you must!
  15. -1
    April 10 2025 07: 39
    Both the Soviet period and the anti-Soviet period, starting with Perestroika, clearly showed that for the enemies of the Bolsheviks-communists to betray their country and people, those who believed in them, each other - this is completely normal. Here, their benefactors Gorbachev and Yeltsin betrayed the communists who believed in them, and the enemies of the communists themselves betrayed Gorbachev and Yeltsin, threw them to the real, by conviction, communists who never betrayed their party, the USSR and the Soviet people, and their supporters.
    And they will do the same with their third benefactor, whom they are already starting to throw at the Soviet Chekists, and they will betray him too.
  16. -1
    April 10 2025 07: 51
    The enemies of the USSR, to put it mildly, have strange notions about everything. For them, being against what Yeltsin did is completely normal, they themselves are "in the forefront" AGAINST, but being against what his "successor" did is already treason.
  17. -1
    April 10 2025 08: 16
    Quote: parusnik
    It was written in the spirit of what I am.

    This is so, Alexey, because I have explained these truths many times.
    1. -2
      April 10 2025 09: 25
      I have explained these truths many times.

      And here is the fifth silver coin... "Oh, how greedy you are, Ivan Petrov" (c)
      An unprecedented attraction of greed! The author begs for silver coins from the commentator! Smart, reaches out to the stupid! Only today! The attraction is demonstrated for free! The show goes on! Hurry!
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    1. +3
      April 10 2025 09: 29
      "I wasn't eavesdropping, it's just that the walls are thin and I have good hearing."

      "I didn't "knock!" I just "knocked!"" (c) laughing
  19. +6
    April 10 2025 09: 23
    If purely about psychology and reasons.

    1. Fear. For yourself personally or for your loved ones. I am absolutely sure that 90% of the most "patriotic" people will go and set fire to a military registration and enlistment office if their child is held hostage by the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    2. Goodies. Money, drugs, women, the desire to be significant. The percentage of these is smaller, but still significant.

    3. Everything else:

  20. +6
    April 10 2025 09: 29
    Quote: kalibr
    an insult for which I would apologize if I were you.

    When you are compared to a person with reduced social responsibility, is it an insult, but when you insult others, is it different?
    This is the whole rotten essence of the intelligentsia. Like, why us?
    1. +4
      April 10 2025 09: 39
      This is the whole rotten essence of the intelligentsia.

      Shpakovsky and similar "our bosses". The brain of the nation. Lenin, about this kind of intelligentsia, expressed himself succinctly and accurately.
      1. 0
        April 10 2025 09: 47
        Quote: parusnik
        Lenin spoke succinctly and accurately about this kind of intelligentsia.

        Belonging to it himself, didn't he? Or was he a peasant from the plough? Or as the son of a landowner he was not an intellectual. Mom had two villages: Kokushkino and Alakaevka. With the money from them she supported her son with his wife and mother-in-law in Paris.
    2. -3
      April 10 2025 09: 45
      Quote: ee2100
      This is the whole rotten essence of the intelligentsia.

      What social class do you belong to, Alexander?
      1. +1
        April 10 2025 11: 01
        When applied to myself, I consider this word to be a swear word.
        I come from a family of civil servants.
        1. -1
          April 10 2025 12: 48
          Quote: ee2100
          I come from a family of civil servants.

          But if you write, it means you are an intelligentsia.
          1. 0
            April 10 2025 16: 15
            If you are a co-worker, then you are an intelligentsia?! That's how simple it is.
            Ilf and Petrov came up with the image of the "intelligent mechanic" Polesov for a reason.
            1. -1
              April 10 2025 17: 11
              Quote: ee2100
              If he is a co-servant, does that mean he is an intelligentsia?!

              What, Alexander, don't you understand what I'm writing? Since you write, even if rarely, you belong to the creative intelligentsia. Lenin also sometimes worked for a landowner, was engaged in agriculture, managed it. But this did not stop him from being an intellectual in the social sense. And employees are a category of managers. But they are also not the working class and not peasants. And since there are only three main groups, then consider for yourself who you are.
  21. 0
    April 10 2025 09: 34
    I used to read Dontsova's books, but when I read her book with the title - something about "iron fists", in which she portrayed a Soviet engineer as a positive character, who, not even for money, but "out of conviction", passed on Soviet secret developments to the Americans, Dontsova simply ceased to exist for me.
    1. -2
      April 10 2025 09: 48
      Quote: tatra
      and "out of conviction", he passed on Soviet secret developments to the Americans

      And the Rosenbergs, out of conviction, passed on to us the secret of the atomic bomb...
    2. +4
      April 10 2025 14: 23
      Quote: tatra
      I used to read Dontsova's books, but when I read her book with the title - something about "iron fists", in which she portrayed a Soviet engineer as a positive character, who did it not even for money, but "out of conviction", ......

      HA-HA-HA! Finally! We waited for it lol wassat laughing tongue this is from the series
      Here I remember, here I don't remember......
      For a long time you couldn't figure it out, understand. Probably, thanks to the "talent" of the writer laughing laughing
      And what Dontsova literally at first ---- praises the "new post-Soviet reality", as if the "catastroika" with all the deprivations and problems did not exist. And right away a new reality with high incomes, travel, you somehow did not notice. Did not understand. Accepted. And did not guess about the enemies of the USSR. This is the beginning of the century, and the end of the past..... I wonder when they changed their shoes and why
  22. -1
    April 10 2025 09: 46
    How touching it is to hear some people claim that the USSR army betrayed us. I can't even understand what it is: ignorance of those events due to childhood, a hen's memory, or the eternal habit of nits to smear others with their own shit.
    I wanted to make a detailed report about how the perestroika media slandered the army, how "joyfully" the Motherland greeted the troops being withdrawn from Europe, but I changed my mind. It's just casting pearls.
    Just one photo of how the very same people, whose country was “not saved” by the army, met it in Moscow, during the attempt at that very salvation.
    1. +5
      April 10 2025 12: 10
      Today I feel like I'm in the mood for philosophical pursuits.
      That pile of flesh in front of the tank - if its tanker had run over it, would he have committed murder? Or would that pile of flesh have committed suicide? If a person voluntarily and knowing the consequences commits actions that threaten his life - who is to blame, those whose ordinary actions can lead to his death or himself?

      From the point of view of Christian moralism - if a pile of flesh fell in front of a tank and it ran over it - is it a suicide or what? Because from my point of view everything is quite clear here - no one has cancelled the traffic rules and a person jumping out onto the roadway and dying under the wheels is not even close to a hero.
      Also in the questions of “betrayal” - there are a lot of situations that can be interpreted in absolutely different ways, and most importantly, diametrically opposite ways.
      Some drunkard who died under a tank in a similar situation - can it really stop a tank? Of course not. Therefore, it is a senseless sacrifice, its emphasis is subjective. If, for example, you threw a slipper at a soldier of the enemy army and he thought it was a grenade and shot you - will you become a hero in the eyes of your nation for this? Someone would interpret it one way, and someone the opposite. Whose point of view would be objectively correct?
      1. -2
        April 10 2025 14: 05
        Today I feel like I'm in the mood for philosophical pursuits.


        Let's do without it. This photo is just a recording of one of the cases, of which there were plenty at the time. Everything happened, and Molotov cocktails were thrown. And those same "drunkards" were buried with honors.
        Now you've all become smarter.
      2. 0
        April 19 2025 23: 51
        This is interesting. Are the Chinese who came out in front of tanks on Tiananmen Square suicides? And the American students who put flowers in the barrels of the National Guard soldiers' rifles? And the Donbass grannies who came out with icons to stop the Ukrainian Armed Forces tanks (they, unlike the previous ones, succeeded in a short period)?
        1. 0
          April 20 2025 00: 55
          You can't stop a determined side with grannies with icons, dear sir. History grinds up entire nations that wanted to resist - and you're seriously talking about all this now...
          Ten-twenty-hundred drunks who crawl under tanks do not stop the wheel of change - they can only stop the infirmity of the type of Yanukovych or the GKChPists. Otherwise, all wars would have ended long ago with these flowers in gun barrels and the distribution of candy to assault groups.

          It is a big illusion that a small person can stop something there. Yes, they can make heroes out of them - when some office workers strangle other office workers whose hands were shaking more. But God forbid you think that such shareholders decide something there. They are simply molded into the first heroes or the first martyrs, they are the infantry of the propaganda myth.
          1. 0
            April 20 2025 22: 32
            What I mean is that none of those I listed were suicides in the generally accepted sense of the word - that is, a person who consciously goes to a guaranteed or very likely death. Everyone thought, "Well, they wouldn't dare." And the grannies even hedged their bets: "Okay for me, but they certainly wouldn't dare for the icon." The real suicide was the Czech who simply doused himself with gasoline and set himself on fire. Although they later said about him that the performance didn't go according to plan, but I think this is already a psychological war from the same series as "Matrosov slipped while drunk."
    2. +2
      April 10 2025 14: 00
      I'm even more interested in that Mercedes on the left. Is it there by chance or not?
      1. 0
        April 10 2025 14: 08
        I'm even more interested in that Mercedes on the left. Is it there by chance or not?


        They were carrying cookies to feed the savage cattle.
        https://rutube.ru/video/03f31063c2507df8295672debc6c336e/
  23. +5
    April 10 2025 10: 35
    It is unclear what this article is doing on VO. Even if the content matched the title, even if it was interesting, and from an author who is a professional psychologist and professionally studied the stated topic, it is still a strange choice for a military-themed site.
    Reminds me of the joke about the salesman who sold a car to a man who came to buy sanitary pads for his wife.
    1. -2
      April 10 2025 11: 24
      It's not clear what this article is doing on VO.


      What do you mean? The weather vane wanted to tell about his friend's marital failures. And how is she different from others? From those same articles where people who not only do not have a military education, but have not even served in the army try to invent new tactics.
      1. +1
        April 10 2025 11: 42
        The weather vane wanted to tell about his friend's marital failures.

        Well, this can be done on other platforms. It seems to me that Vyacheslav publishes not only on VO.
        And how is it different from others?

        Something that has nothing to do with military topics, unless you deliberately stretch it - that's why I mentioned the joke about the car and the gaskets.
        trying to invent new tactics.

        Well, it will still be related to military topics. Regardless of whether what is stated corresponds to your or my personal evaluation criteria.
        hi
  24. +6
    April 10 2025 11: 23
    All the vices of people have long been studied, described in the Bible and other sacred books, including the "Moral Code of the Builder of Communism".
    And as a child I sincerely did not understand how “pride” ended up among the 10 deadly sins?
    What is this - pride? Why is it a sin?
    But it is often the internal cause of the most terrible troubles and crimes, including betrayals committed not under the pressure of physical or moral torture.
    As one foreign agent sang, "And I am such and such!"
    And then someone imagines himself to be a demiurge, called upon to change humanity, Napoleon, Lenin, Hitler and, strangely enough, Gorbachev (a monstrous overestimation of his own intelligence and abilities, plus the pinnacle of a rigid vertical of power in the most powerful country in the world).
    But we have raised a couple of generations of young people in such a way that "your ancestors are losers, but you are not like that, you are very brilliant, you deserve the latest iPhones, beer and cool cars with a six-month vacation in Bali. And your ancestors are just still occupying your apartment, and grumbling about something irrelevant, when they die - you can sell the apartment, and have fun, we only live once!"
    This, combined with the fact that the state does not expound any ideology at all, constantly screwing parents over with their paychecks, their pensions, and inventing endless new levies for "utilization fees," "into the capital repairs fund," for stamps on kefir and juice. And at school or university, a teacher provides services, but has no right to educate."
    And so we have thousands and thousands of organisms that have no connection with society and the people, but are ready for a small fee to become Dasha Trepova, not a gray, dull mouse with no prospects, but a modern "Sofia Perovskaya" (I don't think Dasha knows who that is).
    So pathological greed is not such a common phenomenon, but pride - with a very vague edge of self-esteem, it can embrace millions, just as the Germans once turned from defeated and humiliated into "supermen" simply by believing in it.
  25. +7
    April 10 2025 11: 39
    Vyacheslav, you shouldn't have gotten into this area, IMHO. It's liquid ground now. Some states send people to be caught as wild animals or slaves - can the betrayal of such states be considered treason? Can the betrayal of an oath that is forced to be taken because there is no alternative be called treason? If a person has no clear alternatives, if his system just wants him to die "somewhere out there and it doesn't matter how" - can we seriously talk about loyalty to such a system? I think these issues are a gray area of ​​that "redneck morality" that we inherited from the USSR and the times of tsarism and, like many things since then, is something like a defective homunculus with a claim to spiritual comprehensiveness.
    Here is our situation - Ukrainians who surrender to us - who are they, traitors? Or is #THISSOMETHINGELSE?
    After all, from a legal point of view, they are supposedly defending their country, etc., although this country has put a lot of money on them - but they still owe it their all. WHY? Well, like, who decided that?) Is this written on the Tablets of Moses? Or is this a rudiment of serfdom - when someone appropriates for himself the right to tell others what should be sacred to them and what they should die for?

    I specifically emphasized this point - because now the phenomenon of "betrayal" cannot be combed under one comb. Just recently, there was news that some cockroach court in Ukraine convicted our cosmonaut (in absentia, so to speak), who was a citizen of Ukraine in 2014 and with the transfer of territories became a citizen of the Russian Federation. There he was convicted for the fact that they consider him (still) a citizen of Ukraine and accuse him of evading mobilization measures. Simply - stand applaud hi
    From a legal point of view (theirs) - this situation is normal ))) From the point of view of many - he is a "defector", just as we ourselves look at many athletes who go to the West, play there in the NHL and take dual citizenship. It turns out to be a kind of moralistic "bug" - how much "until the end of life" is a person obliged to the system and WHY? Meditating on this, you involuntarily come to the thought that many systems still consider a person as some kind of property or state property - now this is already very frightening, damn it!

    So the consideration of "what is betrayal" inevitably runs into very controversial points that lack clarity, and lumping everything together from the point of view of "redneck moralism" is absolutely incorrect.

    Here's some guy who, for 5k "from a cart", runs to set fire to a relay - being a citizen of the Russian Federation, directly and consciously committing a harmful act against his country out of selfish interests and in the interests of another hostile state - this is classic "betrayal".
    And a person who leaves the country in order not to die in a war he doesn't need, the essence of which he doesn't understand or doesn't share - is that treason? If so, then why?
  26. +1
    April 10 2025 12: 54
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    You shouldn't have gotten into this area, IMHO.

    I didn't interfere. VO constantly reports on captured and convicted traitors of the Motherland.. But who they are, what, except for their profession and age, is not reported. Here is a SMALL TOUCH TO THE PORTRAIT. Visual... I think it's interesting. I don't make generalizations. Just "one little life story". Maybe it will be close to someone? Why not?
  27. +1
    April 10 2025 13: 00
    Bitter is the bread of a traitor... this should be learned in infancy - otherwise... he who betrays once, will betray more than once...
  28. +3
    April 10 2025 16: 13
    IMHO. There are different types of betrayal.
    One for ideas - the author mentioned
    other for money - the author mentioned
    But the author didn’t say anything about the third one.
    For power.
    when the son is in America, and the father buys Boeings instead of developing his own aviation industry.
    Or Kuma on Natsmenov.
    or put Strelkov in jail, etc., since the full name was said out loud.
    Or raise prices.
    etc. etc.
    The third case covers everything and everyone, but about it shhhh... no-no
    1. +4
      April 10 2025 17: 43
      Here the whole question is in the starting point. The Bolsheviks, one and all, betrayed the Russian Empire with their actions, and before that, some Alexander I betrayed his dad, and then Gorby betrayed the USSR, and Yeltsin betrayed some ideals that he had been postulating for years and to which he owed his career. And a bunch of leftists betrayed their beliefs after him, a bunch of people betrayed a united country and it fell apart.
      What is remarkable is that all this happened absolutely calmly; demons from hell and even pedants in their legal bird language did not come after them.
      Because history is written by the winner - he calls "betrayal" - betrayal, and he decides who is good and who is a cocksucker. It is worth thinking about all this and it begins to seem that all this is some kind of sick game, because all around there is continuous betrayal and lies, but, of course, #THISISDIFFERENT. But if a person rushed across the border to another ward - he, of course, is a traitor.

      Is it possible to cling to moralism in an absolutely immoral world? Well, for example, the Gavriks are bombing Gaza now, literally squeezing a bunch of people out of their land - and where are these foreign moralists with their crocodile tears, which they shed abundantly after the beginning of the SVO? The fact that many people, like a sexton, mumble commandments, wear a cross and go to church - does not prevent them from absolutely calmly bypassing "do not kill" when they are somewhere beating up or bombing someone. Well, like, such is the job. Duty there, orders and so on and so forth. And somewhere in the laboratories, the same smart and highly spiritual people are churning out bacteriological weapons - and this does not prevent them from praying in the evening or before meals.

      You see, our entire civilization is permeated with lies, duplicity, betrayal and self-deception. Some resonant things are nothing more than a mushroom cap sticking out above the ground, while the mycelium underground is immeasurably larger.
      Is it possible to condemn an ​​immoral individual in an immoral environment? Someone believes that if he follows CERTAIN rules, then this gives him certain guarantees - but why did he decide that he follows ALL the rules or THOSE rules and that it works? This is nothing more than an illusion.
      The world, alas, is arranged in such a way - the winner laughs at the defeated, the deceiver at the deceived, the taker at the robbed. There is no certain moment when some rules would be strictly established, dividing into "before" and "after" - the rules are constantly changed by those who can do it by right of the strong.
      1. +1
        April 10 2025 19: 12
        What you write is verbose and unclear.
        from the very beginning - when the Bolsheviks came to power - the Russian Empire no longer existed... etc.

        But I partially agree. You just have to have the courage to sometimes call betrayal betrayal...

        By the way, do you know if they still hold hostages in the Gaza tunnels? And are there any "Russians" among them?
      2. 0
        April 13 2025 08: 09
        Here the whole question is in the starting point. The Bolsheviks, one and all, betrayed the Russian Empire with their actions.
        The question is - from what point of view to look! If from the class point of view, then from the side of the bourgeoisie and their supporters (it does not matter whether they are supporters of the monarchy or Februaryists, all the same - bloodsuckers), then yes, the Bolsheviks were for leaving the war, which fundamentally contradicted the interests of the bourgeoisie, because the war was fought precisely for markets (or the redivision of the world in their favor), i.e. from the point of view of the bourgeoisie, the Bolsheviks were traitors to them, the bourgeois Fatherland. From the point of view of the workers and peasants, the Bolsheviks were revolutionaries and progressives, because they wanted to break the bourgeois state as a whole, and stop the war, in particular, since it was not fought in the interests of the workers and peasants. A little chaotic, but that's how it turned out... I will not draw analogies with today, although there is such a phrase - Capital has no nationality. So think about who are the patriots here and who are the traitors...
        1. 0
          April 14 2025 14: 33
          It turns out that the success or failure of an enterprise directly makes a person a traitor or a "true patriot", hehe..)
          As they say, "either your chest is in crosses, or your head is in the bushes." Isn't this the relativity of morality? In general, the system will never admit that it has a snout in the sh**, it will always shift the blame onto the little man.
          For example, when the Red Army sold huge regions to the Germans, leaving a bunch of honest taxpayers and citizens there, the leadership that allowed this to happen suffered almost no punishment. But when the Red Army returned to these regions, of course, they began to prove to the locals in full that they had collaborated with the Germans. And who else could they collaborate with? With those who pay money, a nuclear lice. They themselves trained the villagers to be an appendage of any government and got what they got. But, of course, #THISISSOMETHING DIFFERENT. And the government then flogged a bunch of people in the stables and branded them stupidly as a consequence of their own mistakes.
          This also suggests that the truth is always on the side of those who have power. Or rather, the realization of YOUR truth is on the side of those who have power. What good is it if some villager did not consider himself a traitor until the end of his days, if the authorities take him and push him into camps simply because he was a village elder under the Germans? Or rather, because these Germans appointed him to be one. And what alternatives did he have? He is not James Bond with his family crossing the front line.
          From the point of view of the authorities, he (abandoned by them) is a traitor. From their point of view, he was simply surviving after he was, figuratively speaking, "ditched".
          But who is he, a small, pathetic pawn? And what is his truth worth in the face of red agitprop? Morality is a lie and assumptions, morality is a prostitute in the service of the strong.
          Only by examining each case in detail can one more or less get closer to the truth.
        2. 0
          April 19 2025 23: 59
          But if the French and the British had not held out during the German offensive of 1918, and the Americans had not brought a million soldiers to Europe, burying the Germans' hopes of enduring a war of attrition, and Austria-Hungary had not collapsed, exposing the southern flank of the Second Reich - then the workers and peasants of the former Russian Empire (who ceded to Germany a little earlier under the Brest Peace, the rest a little later) would have fully learned that the German masters were no better than the Russian ones, and that it was much more difficult to get out from under their heel.
      3. -2
        April 15 2025 06: 01
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Here the whole question is in the starting point. The Bolsheviks, one and all, betrayed the Russian Empire with their actions, and before that, some Alexander I betrayed his dad, and then Gorby betrayed the USSR, and Yeltsin betrayed some ideals that he had been postulating for years and to which he was obliged...

        You can only betray what you swear allegiance to... Even the military of the Russian Empire swore allegiance to the monarch, not the Russian Empire. And the monarch abdicated. It is you who, a hundred years later, are already inventing who betrayed what and what they violated.

        Yeltsin swore allegiance to the cause, to Lenin's ideas, and betrayed them. At night in the forest under a fir tree, December 8, 1991.Crimes are committed in secret and at night.... One of the most famous playwrights of that time, Arbuzov, noted this back then. You probably have never heard of such a thing... but all citizens didn't care about betrayal because betrayal is the natural state of modern man.

        The Bolsheviks came to power by the decision of the 2nd Congress of Soviets. And they restored a large country - that is a reasonable goal.
        I'm fed up with my adult compatriots with their childish brains
  29. -1
    April 10 2025 17: 14
    Quote: Richard
    Introduced? Jealous?

    It's terrible!
  30. +2
    April 10 2025 21: 55
    At all times there were normal people (and they are the majority), and there were (and are) rotten people. The offspring of the same rottenness, narrow-minded dreamers who think that everyone owes them, citizens of the world (whose homeland is where their ass is warm and well-fed), underloved, undereducated, unprincipled, susceptible to Western propaganda. They will not only do something for 1 thousand, but they themselves will send their thousand to the enemy, who will kill his compatriot for this money. It is simply a fact.
  31. +5
    April 10 2025 22: 59
    Psychology of betrayal you say?
    Do you think that you live in a social state, or at least strive for it? Right!!!
    First of all, look around, look at our elite. Do they deserve that position, that beautiful life that we don't have and won't have, neither we nor our children? Think about it.
    Let's remember the same Abramovich, who gave iPhones to freed militants and took them for rides on his private jet.
    Look at our "professors of economics" who claim that "fish has become more expensive because various types of fuel have become more expensive." This professor clearly doesn't eat consumer goods, he lives better than any of us not "on" but "in". And how did he deserve such a beautiful life?
    Many people say, even here, that we are heading straight towards 1917, and these comments are gaining positive votes.
    Have you thought about it? Great, you've already taken the first step to the "dark side"
  32. +2
    April 11 2025 07: 27
    I will express my opinion.
    Betrayal belongs to the spiritual category, not the psychological one.
    Only one of your own spirit can betray. A stranger in spirit is not a traitor - he is simply a spiritual enemy. Therefore, in my opinion, there is nothing to study here.
    Even the example of a money-lover is given, and this is again a spiritual category, not a psychological one.
    1. -2
      April 11 2025 11: 06
      One of your own in spirit will not betray. There is no need to humiliate the highest spiritual principle. Those who betray are "formally your own" (for example, by party card), who are alien in spirit.

      But someone who is alien in spirit can be open... For example, many people to whom I asked the question: "Who is guilty of betraying Christ?" - - openly answered that it was not Judas who was guilty, but Christ.... He knew everything in advance.

      They are strangers, but not traitors and do not plot anything hostile.... They simply express their opinion. They usually believe that if a person is robbed, then it is not the thief who is to blame, but the thief himself... he should have looked better. By the way, what do you think?
  33. +2
    April 11 2025 12: 17
    Well, what's the conclusion? What is the article about? And for whom?
    1. -1
      April 11 2025 14: 00
      Quote from Aleprok
      Well, what's the conclusion? What's the article about?

      It's understandable. The author accuses the CPSU of betraying him. He expressed himself clearly in the comments.

      All positions there were, according to the charter, elective; whoever was elected, that’s what they got.
      Mr. Shpakovsky and many other "truth-telling communists" have not yet grown up to political parties. They hit themselves with a hammer and sickle and then write articles that the hammer and sickle are to blame. It's a well-known fact. laughing
    2. 0
      April 13 2025 08: 45
      Well, what's the conclusion? What is the article about? And for whom?
      The article itself is not so important, but it gave rise to a discussion. And questions arise for oneself and for the state, well, at least for me. Any thinking person sooner or later has a question on the topic of "I and the State". I like my Motherland, but I don't like the State. And what is betrayal of the Motherland and what is betrayal of the State? The guards usually do not separate these concepts, like Deripaska and I have the same Motherland, well that's why they are guards. Here we, residents of Russia, let's say, work. Some work for a state enterprise, some for a private one. But our country is bourgeois and therefore we work for the bourgeoisie and in the interests of the bourgeoisie. We are getting more billionaires, which means we are on the right path, gentlemen. But if I start pouring sand into the bearings instead of oil, i.e. not working, but causing all kinds of harm, and let's say not only me, but all the workers who are there. Will this be a betrayal of the Motherland, the State or the interests of an individual capitalist? Should I serve for the benefit of the bourgeois government or should I harm it in every possible way? The question is rhetorical
      1. -1
        April 13 2025 11: 38
        The bourgeois government itself will take care that citizens serve it. And if you do not like the state, it only means that the majority in society is not capable of establishing the state that they need. ....
        But a small part of society can.

        For example, the Russian people are called “state-forming”, but in practice they assume that the State itself should be “nation-forming”.

        It's clear even to a hedgehog that such people can't do anything at all... Except carry out any and all orders in a row...
  34. -1
    April 11 2025 21: 43
    A woman is like a monkey: until she grabs a new branch, she won’t let go of the old one! laughing
  35. 0
    April 12 2025 13: 48
    Quote: Aviator_
    if you need pennies from comments

    Stupid, oh so stupid have the learned people become these days. It is not me who needs the pennies, but you. Without them, there will be no site. I have written about this more than once over the past 10 years. But... it does not reach you.
  36. 0
    April 13 2025 00: 46
    Betrayal is mentioned in passing, but where is the psychology? The author should try to describe his own history, maybe a more sensible note would come out.
    1. 0
      April 13 2025 07: 10
      Quote: victor50
      The author would try to describe his own history

      Victor, you can't betray something that doesn't exist! Think about it...
      1. 0
        April 14 2025 20: 54
        Quote: kalibr
        Victor, you can't betray something that doesn't exist! Think about it...

        People tend to come up with excuses for their own bad behavior. Some even try to heroize it.
        1. 0
          April 15 2025 07: 59
          Quote: victor50
          People tend to come up with excuses for their own bad behavior. Some even try to heroize it.

          And some hide their mental inferiority behind beautiful phrases. The stamp is issued and now it is not... in the eyes of others.
      2. -2
        April 15 2025 06: 59
        Quote: kalibr

        Victor, you can't betray something that doesn't exist! Think about it...

        If it doesn’t exist, then what are you ideologically fighting against in your historical articles?
        Against the wrong ideas - "communisms-socialisms"? At whose expense they have been feeding for years? Don't deny the obvious, it's stupid. You have made yourself look stupid with this topic, and now you are clumsily fighting back.

        You have a completely different and fully-fledged topic - outside of politics, no need to get into other people's business.
        1. 0
          April 15 2025 08: 02
          Quote: sidorov
          If it doesn’t exist, then what are you ideologically fighting against in your historical articles?

          I am not ideologically fighting against anything. I am trying to figure out why a great power died. Why the experiment failed. That's all. For some reason, 80% of people get furious about this.
          Quote: sidorov
          Against the wrong ideas - "communisms-socialisms"? At whose expense they have been feeding for years? Don't deny the obvious, it's stupid. You have made yourself look stupid with this topic, and now you are clumsily fighting back.

          I was fed - there was time, a new time came - I sent him to hell... That's all. And that's all.
          1. -2
            April 15 2025 15: 08
            Quote: kalibr
            I am not ideologically fighting against anything. But I am trying to figure out what caused the death of a great power. Why the experiment failed.

            There is no need to be disingenuous because experiments are conducted on animals, and you clearly imply this. "The death of the state" is only a phenomenon accompanying the decline of a society that has pooped out both its workers' party and democratic state.

            Quote: kalibr
            I was fed - there was time, a new time came - I sent him to hell.

            This is your essence. When you joined the CPSU, you didn't say at the meeting that you came to feed? And what did they usually say at the meeting then? laughing

            Although I believe that you were not paid for membership in the CPSU. You paid dues. You fed yourself from useful connections... and therefore I do not really believe that you have now become different and are interested in the "reason for the death of the state". This is generally too high and not your level. You are on the side of the strong. Like the majority of your compatriots. Just do not pretend that you are better than this majority. As you did when you joined the CPSU.
            1. 0
              April 15 2025 18: 23
              Quote: sidorov
              You were feeding from useful connections... and therefore I don't really believe that you have now become different and are interested in "the reason for the collapse of the state". This is generally too high and not your level.

              Why is that? It's just mine. And isn't it interesting? Interesting! Not better than most? Yes, it is. At our VO, if I don't suggest that anyone write anything... immediately "all Chukchi". At least I can write interestingly. And so I'll write convincingly about "the death of the state" and there will be another book. People will read, think - it is always useful when people think, and I will be paid for it. Someone sells their physical strength, someone - blood, but I trade in the ability to popularly explain various interesting things. So "better" is an axiom. Although there are many who know more, can do more... write better. It is always like that. By the way, at the reception at the CPSU I said the same thing - "I believe that I should be among the best". And you had to try very hard so that in 1979 you, a rural teacher, were offered to join the party. For our entire Kondolsky district, an order was received for only 2 teachers! So judge for yourself...
  37. 0
    April 14 2025 07: 40
    I still don't understand what the article is about? Treason to the Motherland and keeping a woman... The phenomenon of betrayal and male greed... Forge with a finger and God's gift with scrambled eggs...
    1. 0
      April 15 2025 08: 03
      Quote from Ponimatel
      I still don't understand what the article is about? Treason to the Motherland and keeping a woman... The phenomenon of betrayal and male greed... Forge with a finger and God's gift with scrambled eggs...

      You can't even imagine how happy you make me. I have a meeting with student journalists planned. I'll let them read the article and your commentary. So that they can see who we work for.
  38. -1
    April 15 2025 08: 09
    Quote: kalibr
    meeting with student journalists

    I wouldn't want to get involved with such a dubious audience, even indirectly. Beginning scumbags are always worse than those who have already established themselves. Because a new turn of the spiral...
    1. 0
      April 15 2025 18: 24
      Quote from Ponimatel
      Beginning scumbags are always worse than those who have already established themselves. Because a new turn of the spiral...

      It is in vain that you neglect people without whom you cannot live.
  39. 0
    April 15 2025 19: 20
    Quote: kalibr
    It is in vain that you neglect people without whom you cannot live.

    You are trying to be smart in vain, you are not much of a troll...
    Your logic is flawed: If I can't live without journalists (and that's true), then how can I neglect them? No, I don't neglect them.
    But for example, in prison without cooks people also can't live. But everyone is not happy with their work. Although they are forced not to neglect them.
    1. 0
      April 17 2025 18: 27
      Quote from Ponimatel
      You are trying to be smart in vain, you are not much of a troll...
      Your logic is flawed: If I can't live without journalists (and that's true), then how can I neglect them? No, I don't neglect them.
      But for example, in prison without cooks people also can't live. But everyone is not happy with their work. Although they are forced not to neglect them.

      Well, you wrote all this. You amused your ego. So what? Everything remained as before. You got adrenaline, the site got your click, and to me... they will write as I wrote. For me, the opinion of only those who make decisions or who pay is important. You are neither. But thanks for the click.
      1. -1
        April 18 2025 12: 53
        I wasn't trying to influence you, I was just responding to your nitpicking. And yes, I don't care about your opinion either.
        1. 0
          April 18 2025 15: 34
          Quote from Ponimatel
          And yes, I don't care about your opinion either.

          Ugh, how rude, Alexander. I don't care... it's neither pretty nor hygienic.
  40. -1
    April 19 2025 07: 52
    Quote: kalibr
    Quote from Ponimatel
    And yes, I don't care about your opinion either.

    Ugh, how rude, Alexander. I don't care... it's neither pretty nor hygienic.

    But at least it's honest. At least I'm not disguising myself or being a hypocrite.
    For me, the opinions of only those who make the decision or who pay are important.

    But this is shameful. Although it is a classic: we know the carrot, we love the stick... Being determines?
  41. 0
    April 20 2025 00: 04
    Are the Upper Lars stormtroopers traitors? Okay, but what about the man who promised them just five months earlier that there would be no mobilization and that all tasks would be handled by professional soldiers? Didn't he betray them?