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Eurasian political science. Termination of the broadcast of the First Channel in Kyrgyzstan and the problem of non-ascending

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Eurasian political science. Termination of the broadcast of the First Channel in Kyrgyzstan and the problem of non-ascending

In Kyrgyzstan, the First Channel of Russia will probably not be broadcast. At one time, the broadcast was organized by a whole presidential decree, in connection with which additional expenses fell on the budget of Kyrgyzstan. The problem of closing the broadcast was decided simply - the Ministry of Finance refused to pay.


On the one hand, of course, the situation is stupid: why should the already meager budget of Kyrgyzstan pay for the broadcast of the First Channel in the amount of 50 million soms (about 30 million rubles) annually? It is obvious that the broadcast of Russian TV channels within Eurasia is in the interests of Russia's information sovereignty. Under the conditions of the 21st century, it is no less important than sovereignty, military or financial.

But, on the other hand, the broadcast of Russian television is in the interests of Kyrgyzstan and the local authorities, because if the course for the Customs and the Eurasian Union is chosen, then Kyrgyz citizens need to learn to live in the union information space. And as long as we do not have allied TV channels, the role of those is performed by the Russian ones. With all the questions to the top managers of Russian media - we do not have other mass information resources for Eurasia.

Therefore, I repeat: the situation is stupid. Of course, it is not so neglected as in Moldova, where a wave of anti-Russian pro-Romanian propaganda is being driven right on the First Channel, but, nevertheless, leaving an unpleasant aftertaste. And the situation is doubly unpleasant, because no one asked the citizens of Kyrgyzstan proper whether they wanted to watch Russian television or not.

Neobasmachestvo as a threat to the state and the Union

President of Kyrgyzstan, Almazbek Atambayev, you will not envy. On the one hand, it faces the task of integrating Kyrgyzstan into the Customs, and then into the Eurasian Union. And he got not just a deplorable economy - he had to manage the republic, in fact, torn to the North and the South, and even survived several political crises, during which the presidents were sent into exile.

The socioeconomic crisis that the third president of Kyrgyzstan is dealing with is conditioned not only by political-economic prerequisites, but also by national specificity. My Kyrgyz colleague, Mars Sariev, with whom I closely consult on the internal political situation, is convinced that the fault of all political crises is the internal structure of Kyrgyz society, which is simply incompatible with the modern state.

I will not litter the heads of readers with the ups and downs of Kyrgyzstan’s internal politics and conflicts between powerful families and clans. This is not at all a unique problem, Nursultan Nazarbayev faced the same problem and left it at the expense of setting large-scale goals that break the existing clan-family system and allow the sovereign ruler to take a position outside of clan fights. Our colleague from Kazakhstan, Vladislav Shpakov, believes that at the first stage such a super objective was the creation of a new capital. That is, as the experience of Kazakhstan shows, the problem of a clan-family society is not always a dead end.

In addition, the problem of the traditional structure of Kyrgyz society and its resistance to the state is not new. So, almost 100 years ago, a native of Bishkek, Mikhail Frunze, wrote to Lenin in a memorandum that “Basmachi was an armed protest against new beginnings on which a new life should be built.”

By and large, those who are now engaged in the restoration of Kyrgyzstan, faced with the very kind non-aggression, which is firmly rooted in any traditionally-family society.

It is clear that now there are other times and other methods of restoring the state. But this does not change the very essence of the resistance of national elitist states to the state.

The role of the Union's information space in the elimination of neobasmachestva

The president of Kyrgyzstan was in a difficult situation. On the one hand, he needs to restore the state. On the other hand, he is clearly trying to maintain a consensus among national elites. It would be naive to believe that Almazbek Atambayev will succeed.

The consensus of elites in the conditions of non-Passoverism will not lead to anything good. For one simple reason: the majority of the population is dissatisfied with what is happening in the republic. And quite reasonably he connects this with the position of the president, who he perceives as one of those very non-members and representative of an influential family. And the more President Atambayev will play in the consensus of the elites, the greater will be the growing discontent of the population. In the end, his image will become mostly non-assertive, as such an image of Presidents Akayev and Bakiyev formed in his time.

One of the main conditions for the formation of neo-feudalism and its Kyrgyz form, neo-asism, is the closeness of society. The more Kyrgyz citizens are immersed in the national, republican agenda, the more traditionally-clan will Kyrgyz society be. And all the more President Atambayev will be vulnerable.

Try to live half a year in the conditions of immersion only in the regional political agenda - even in Odessa, even in Tver, even in Bishkek. If every day you see people on TV who play the role of politicians, about whom you know who, how much and where you privatized and copied to whom - in half a year you will have nothing left but hatred for these people. And most likely, this hatred will be personified in the person of the mayor of Odessa, the governor of the Tver region or the president of Kyrgyzstan.

The Kyrgyz president faces serious challenges: to bring the degraded republic to the Eurasian Union. To bring, showing that he, Almazbek Atambayev, is an ally of Putin, Lukashenko and Nazarbayev. And not just another Akayev-Bakiyev.

But for this, he will need to choose on whose side he is in the republic — the national elitear neobasmachs or on the side of the people. People, which meanwhile sees in it the same elitist, as well as the others. And I must see the head of state, who is moving towards his super goal.

Therefore, instead of stopping the broadcast of the First Channel, the Kyrgyz president should expand the information presence of Russia and its allies in Kyrgyzstan. The cable networks of Kazakhstan and Belarus should appear in the cable networks of Bishkek and other large cities. And not by the will of cable operators, but with the filing of the state.

Because, in fact, the question is not 50 million soms, which were paid by the Ministry of Finance of Kyrgyzstan for the broadcast of the First. Considering how much Russia invests in Kyrgyzstan, it is clear that the negotiations that were conducted correctly would have removed this question. Because 50 million soms is nothing compared to projects implemented in the region.

The matter is in the principles of the union information policy. And the role and place of information technology in the elimination of neobasmachestvo, which Almazbek Atambaev sooner or later will have to do. Because otherwise neobasmachestvo will be engaged in Atambaev.
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  1. MilaPhone
    MilaPhone April 3 2013 06: 34 New
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    The photo is not Kyrgyz but Uzbek.
    This picturesque gentleman is Seyyed Mir Muhammad Alim Khan, the last emir of Bukhara, who ruled before the capture of Bukhara by the Bolsheviks on September 2, 1920, and is a representative of the Uzbek dynasty of the Turkic clan Mangyt.
    1. Doctor Evil
      Doctor Evil April 3 2013 06: 50 New
      +6
      Was he the one million rubles allocated in gold for the construction of warships after the Russo-Japanese War? Subscription money was collected by the whole world. And the destroyer was called "Emir of Bukhara".
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone April 3 2013 06: 57 New
        +4
        I do not know. But he was awarded the orders of St. Alexander Nevsky and St. Vladimir (in the color photo on the emir’s robe, the star of this order is clearly visible with the motto “Benefit, Honor and Glory”.
      2. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba April 3 2013 08: 04 New
        +6
        Quote: Dr. Evil
        Was he the one million rubles allocated in gold for the construction of warships after the Russo-Japanese War? Subscription money was collected by the whole world. And the destroyer was called "Emir of Bukhara".

        Money was allocated by his father and this goon besides doing the word “buzz” didn’t do anything, and when the Bolsheviks began to pick up money for him in 1918, he regretted reforming the army and in 1920 profiled his throne ... father Abdul Ahad Khan.
        By the way, on the topic of the article ... nebesmatism as it was decided to write is just an answer to naeocolonialism ... so to speak, dialectics all returns to normal only with the level of development higher ...
        1. avt
          avt April 3 2013 09: 56 New
          +4
          Quote: Ali Baba
          By the way, on the topic of the article ... nebosamstvo as it decided to write here is just an answer to naeokolonializm ...

          laughing No, neocolonialism still doesn’t smell. This is so far the phantom pains of the USSR, and for the most part the former Soviet republics. Everyone is trying to jump out of their pants and prove how strong, tall, proud and powerful they are. Neo, and indeed colonialism in its actual execution is still only on the way. Wait while you prepare him hard. Yes, finally, it is not necessary to expect him from Russia. laughing You can get it from the other end, and you certainly cannot explain to them what you are ancient, great, proud and strong.
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba April 3 2013 13: 03 New
            +3
            [quote = avt] Neo, and actually colonialism in real execution is still just on the way. [/ quote
            Hmm ... Kadyrych deal with yet. And after that we’ll see what it smells like or not, and it’s better to be neobasma than a sneak like Vazgen Avagyan who is creeping right in the loyalty to the Center wink
      3. densyaophyng
        densyaophyng April 3 2013 16: 04 New
        +4
        In this regard, we recall two famous phrases from Russian to non-Russian
        Sukhov. "White sun of the desert:" Leave at least a cartridge, Abdullah! There’s nothing to shoot. "

        and from Russian to Russian
        Vereshchagin. "White sun of the desert:" Again you put this caviar to me! I can’t eat it every day, damned. If only I got bread ...
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 07: 02 New
      +4
      Quote: Milafon
      This picturesque gentleman is Seyyed Mir Muhammad Alim Khan, the last emir of Bukhara, who ruled before the capture of Bukhara by the Bolsheviks on September 2, 1920,

      And that photo is so fresh, the ruler does not age laughing
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone April 3 2013 08: 27 New
        +7
        The photo was taken in 1907 by Russian photographer Sergei Mikhailovich Prokudin-Gorsky. He realized his method of color photography using the triple exposure method. At that time, multilayer color photographs did not yet exist, so Prokudin-Gorsky used black and white photographic plates, which he sensitized according to his own recipes, and a camera of his own design. Through color filters of blue, green and red, three quick shots of the same plot were taken sequentially, after which three black-and-white negatives were placed, one above the other on the same photographic plate. From this triple negative, a triple positive was made; a projector with three lenses located in front of three frames on a photographic plate was used to view such photos. Each frame was projected through a filter of the same color as the one through which it was shot. When adding three images - red, green and blue, a full-color image was obtained on the screen.
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 3 2013 08: 52 New
          0
          And the rings on the fingers, who retouched for that?
          1. Black Colonel
            Black Colonel April 3 2013 09: 56 New
            +2
            There, the fingers were first retouched, because were originally a fan.
        2. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel April 3 2013 09: 54 New
          0
          So then on the screen, but on paper how to fix it? Then Kodak and Agfa still could not make materials for color photography
    3. Kolya
      Kolya April 3 2013 08: 51 New
      +5
      Remittances from Russia to Kyrgyzstan occupy the lion's share of this country's income. Russia (Customs. Union) needs a tax on money withdrawn from the country, 30 percent. And income tax needs to be relaxed. Inside Russia, money will be easier to earn, but the diversion of funds abroad and the feeding of all sovereignty there will cease. Then Russia will see more respect from its neighbors.
    4. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 3 2013 08: 51 New
      +1
      How well preserved, to this day laughing
    5. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 3 2013 09: 50 New
      0
      And then, was there already a color photo? Something reminiscent of demobilian outfit.
    6. vadimus
      vadimus April 3 2013 10: 31 New
      +1
      Nothing in the world is changing. East remains east ....
      1. MilaPhone
        MilaPhone April 3 2013 11: 05 New
        +2
        In Uzbekistan, even now they go like this, only instead of a turban they have a hollow, and instead of a saber there is a sharp knife in a boot.
        The sharp knife.
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba April 3 2013 11: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Milafon

          In Uzbekistan, even now they go like this, only instead of a turban they have a hollow, and instead of a saber there is a sharp knife in a boot.

          And in Russia everyone still wears vests and a cap with earflaps and a bottle of vodka in felt boots fool
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone April 3 2013 11: 47 New
            +6
            Of course they go both in a vest and in a cap with earflaps and in felt boots and with a bubble. But not all.
            Where did you see what I wrote - EVERYTHING in Uzbekistan goes like this?
            I often go to Uzbekistan and there a man in a chapan and in a hollow is a common sight!
            I do not see anything wrong with that. I myself have a chapan, skullcap and a sharp knife.
    7. opkozak
      opkozak April 3 2013 16: 22 New
      +5
      Here is he


      And if you understand, more deeply understand the essence of the issue, then a more suitable illustration would be such

      Kyrgyz nomads in the Hungry Steppe (now the territory of Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan), 1910. (Prokudin-Gorskii Collection / LOC)
    8. 120352
      120352 April 4 2013 00: 31 New
      0
      Not otherwise, he is your relative! It is painfully good. You know everything about him.
  2. valokordin
    valokordin April 3 2013 06: 47 New
    +9
    In itself, disconnecting Channel 1, it seems that the Voice of America stopped broadcasting in the USSR because of a lack of money in the American treasury. I think that this is another liberal action against the country. If it is possible to steal billions in the Moscow Region, or rather, it’s permissible, but there is no money to work for the country's image — this is another sign of treason.
  3. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 3 2013 06: 47 New
    +3
    It is still not a fact that the Kyrgyz will come into any kind of alliance with us. Almazbek Atambaev, like Yanukovych, only he has no significant pipe. I think that there will be a bargain with Russia for any reason, including and about broadcasting TV channels. If it weren’t for the Russian-speaking population, who still lives in the republic, I’m sure I should have left them alone with their problems. And so, you have to persuade, seek a compromise on any issue and pay, pay pay. The main thing is that the "imperial overheating" does not happen.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 07: 05 New
      +3
      Quote: FC Skiff

      It is still not a fact that the Kyrgyz will come into any kind of alliance with us.

      And what choice does Kyrgyzstan have, when the TS will work to its fullest, the border will close and ............. with all the consequences for the budget of Kyrgyzstan.
      Quote: FC Skiff
      I think that there will be a bargain with Russia for any reason, including and about broadcasting TV channels

      It is possible, but upon joining the CU this will no longer be possible, there are supranational bodies, and they will be raking there.
  4. treskoed
    treskoed April 3 2013 06: 54 New
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    Maybe something needs to be fixed in Channel One? Remove vulgarity? Add interesting shows? Indeed, today I, a Russian, with a rare exception, do not want to watch the First!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 07: 06 New
      11
      Quote: treskoed
      Indeed, today I, a Russian, with a rare exception, do not want to watch the First!

      Most channels do not want to watch, and there is nothing to watch there by and large.
      1. philippov
        philippov April 3 2013 08: 17 New
        +4
        For Russians who still remained in the former republics, the first, and other Russian channels, is a thread that connects them with Russia, for many with their homeland, cut it and what to stay.
        1. sanyabasik
          sanyabasik April 3 2013 08: 35 New
          +1
          Quote: philippov
          first, and the rest of the Russian channels is a thread


          The first channel is not a state television channel, unlike Russia, for example. This is the feeding trough of Konstantin Yoprst, or whatever it is ..
        2. tan0472
          tan0472 April 3 2013 09: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: philippov
          For Russians who still remained in the former republics, the first, and other Russian channels, is a thread that connects them with Russia, for many with their homeland, cut it and what to stay.

          I absolutely agree with you. Not everyone has the opportunity to purchase satellite dishes. For the bulk of the poor, turning off channels is a spit in the soul from two sides - from local authorities (on a national basis) and from Russian half-bureaucrats who shit on Russian-speaking people from other countries.
          1. MilaPhone
            MilaPhone April 3 2013 11: 58 New
            +1
            Quote: sanyabasik
            The first channel is not a state television channel, unlike Russia, for example. This is the feeding trough of Konstantin Yoprst, or whatever it is ..

            The first channel is owned by: National Media Group 25% and the Russian Federation 75%.
            They say that Konstantin Ernst is gay!

            I’m only watching KVN at the First, and even then, lately, it’s not funny to be sober!
        3. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 3 2013 12: 53 New
          +1
          Quote: philippov

          For Russians who still remained in the former republics, the first, and other Russian channels, is a thread that connects them with Russia, for many with their homeland, cut it and what to stay.

          we closed Russian channels about 10 years ago and nothing happened with the Russian and Russian-speaking population !!
          Almost every home has cable TV, choose programs and watch what you want!
        4. Ghenxnumx
          Ghenxnumx April 4 2013 14: 41 New
          0
          Quote: philippov
          For Russians who still remained in the former republics, the first, and other Russian channels, is a thread that connects them with Russia, for many with their homeland, cut it and what to stay.

          There will remain a clean and unclouded lens of deceiving television channels look.
          Let RT look better
  5. smel
    smel April 3 2013 07: 00 New
    +1
    The President of Kyrgyzstan, Almazbek Atambayev, will not be envied. (quote)
    Yes, no one is going to envy him. He wants to be president - let him be. He doesn’t want to find others. This applies, in general, to all those in power and great leaders, including those in our country .... But if he wants to do something useful for society, to leave his fellow tribesmen a good memory, let him plow it.
  6. CCA
    CCA April 3 2013 07: 24 New
    +7
    Addressing the citizens of the former Soviet republics, Vazgen Avagyan said:
    Loyalty to Russia is not only the sacred duty of the Eurasian peoples, but also a commonplace condition for their survival.
    And further...
    Let's say that there are no illusions! Russophobia, guys, this is your biological, rude, without quotes, death. Russia will live without you. But you can’t do without it.
    Indeed, the USSR had to disintegrate, so that common sense would begin to wake up in its existence and the existence of different nations in it ...
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba April 3 2013 08: 10 New
      -2
      Quote: KKA

      Addressing the citizens of the former Soviet republics, Vazgen Avagyan said:
      Loyalty to Russia is not only the sacred duty of the Eurasian peoples, but also a commonplace condition for their survival.

      Hmm ... who sucked up because of the reasons (Karabakh and the conflict with Azerbaijan) he writes for everyone else ... By showing loyalty to Vazgen, he can survive, but he doesn’t star for everyone :) Fidelity can be rendered only to the Motherland and then not everything it is capable, the rest is nonsense no more.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 3 2013 11: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: KKA
      Addressing the citizens of the former Soviet republics, Vazgen Avagyan said:
      Loyalty to Russia is not only the sacred duty of the Eurasian peoples, but also a commonplace condition for their survival.
      And further...
      Let's say that there are no illusions! Russophobia, guys, this is your biological, rude, without quotes, death. Russia will live without you. But you can’t do without it.
      Indeed, the USSR had to disintegrate, so that common sense would begin to wake up in its existence and the existence of different nations in it ...

      The example is incorrect. This was said by VAZGEN AGANYAN ARMYANIN, whose nation owes its existence to Russia, the creation of present Armenia owes Russia, a state whose borders are protected by Russia, whose economy is invested by Russia (according to the statistics week of Armenia, Russian companies made half the investments), the budget is highly dependent from transferring money from Russia. In his case, with regards to Armenians, the right words, but you don’t have to row everyone here stop
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 3 2013 12: 57 New
      +1
      Quote: KKA

      Addressing the citizens of the former Soviet republics, Vazgen Avagyan said:
      Loyalty to Russia is not only a sacred duty of the Eurasian peoples, but also a banal condition for their survival. And further...
      Let's say that there are no illusions! Russophobia, guys, this is your biological, rude, without quotes, death. Russia will live without you. But you can’t do without it. Indeed, the USSR had to disintegrate, so that common sense would begin to wake up in its existence and the existence of different nations in it ...

      *** In general, quite curious signs of respect show friendship with Russia in Armenia - for example, on the days of Dmitry Medvedev’s visit in Yerevan, Russia’s square was opened, opposite the city hall, in a place that is considered the epicenter of March 1 events. That is, in 2008, Armenian citizens were shot on this square, and a few years later it became the square of Russia. It seems that similar decisions related to Russia are made here with creativity, which has a deep subtext. So, if Moscow suddenly realizes this context, then the squares and monuments will begin to play the opposite role and cease to be guardian angels of officials of various calibers. ***
      *** It would be nice, by the way, if in Armenia they thought about erecting a monument or memorial to compatriots who died at the hands of Russian nationalists. In the end, in parallel with the development and strengthening of friendship, hundreds of Armenians became victims of skinheads. ***
      That's what they think in Armenia!

      http://inosmi.ru/sngbaltia/20130401/207596196.html

      couple of quotes from the Armenian forum


      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=14923&st=3800&p=909007&#entry90900
      7


      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1250&p=926813&#entry92681
      3


      http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1550&p=934158&#entry93415
      8
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 13: 15 New
        +3
        Quote: Yarbay
        That's what they think in Armenia!

        Alibek, Natsik is everywhere, even in Belarus hi
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 3 2013 13: 46 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Alibek, Natsik is everywhere, even in Belarus

          I know Sanya!
          Why so far not one normal has answered them! ??
          I won’t tire of posting it until I see at least one internationalist Armenian who answered!
          it is written yesterday!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 14: 24 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            Why has so far not one normal responded to them !?

            Yes, I myself can lay out this, the Armenians also have their own Kudrin, also that deer .."When the Armenians were Christians, the Russians were still jumping from tree to tree," ex-head of the Central Bank of Armenia Bagrat Asatryan said at a March 28 news conference, a REGNUM correspondent reports. According to him, "the Armenians are Europeans, and should strive for a Europe built on truly Christian values." Here's what to pay attention to a ram request
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 3 2013 15: 06 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes, I myself can lay out this, the Armenians also have their own Kudrin, also that deer ..

              I agree with that!
              Now we are discussing in principle the relationship with Kyrgyzstan!
              I think you and many here perfectly understand that even if Kyrgyzstan really wants to, in the coming years it will not be able to get out of the influence of Russian politics, but to prevent this from happening in the future, you need to do something, change something!
              The old policy towards the former union republics is shortsighted and has exhausted itself !!
              Something must be done at least in the cultural and educational sphere!
              Let me give you an example, Turkey and all kinds of foundations pay for the opening of their lyceums and they give one of the best education! There are a lot of medalists who win the Olympics!
              and they do it all over the world, even in African countries!
              As far as I know, we have opened a branch of Moscow State University and that is clearly funded by ours!
              Very little done!
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 15: 28 New
                +3
                Quote: Yarbay
                The old policy towards the former union republics is shortsighted and has exhausted itself !!

                Well, I think for this, a vehicle is created, went out and lost everything at once. there will be billions in losses upon exit, so the economy sometimes takes precedence over politics.
                Quote: Yarbay
                Very little done!

                Rather, it reaches our tops too slowly. Look, these are the decisions that are being made here at the top on the site was proposed a year ago, and some even three years ago. Tormazuhu in the Kremlin drink something sad
  7. ULxaw86
    ULxaw86 April 3 2013 07: 56 New
    -2
    Quote: Dr. Evil
    Was he the one million rubles allocated in gold for the construction of warships after the Russo-Japanese War? Subscription money was collected by the whole world. And the destroyer was called "Emir of Bukhara".

    Emir of Buruhtania Buruhtan II-II?)))
  8. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 3 2013 08: 01 New
    +1
    To hell with Central Asia! Everything is perfectly clear that the Eurasian Union is utopian. Visas are needed with all of them. The only ones with whom to integrate are Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan (north)
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba April 3 2013 08: 15 New
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarets

      To hell with Central Asia! Everything is perfectly clear that the Eurasian Union is utopian. Visas are needed with all of them. The only ones with whom to integrate are Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan (north)

      Really to hell with you wink Why is everything you don’t think ... otherwise the integration union and other things that are not understandable are shoved ... Here Russia fed so much to everyone under the USSR and finally, 20 years ago, it became independent from all parasites ... and now again ...
      By the way, why after liberation from so many parasites, Russia can’t achieve the level of the USSR even though the end of the 80s? Isn't it strange? and? wink
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 3 2013 08: 59 New
        +3
        Why did countries that gained independence from Russia, for the most part (not counting the capitals) slide down to the feudal system? Isn't it strange? and? wink Why are you so angry? ... angry like a dog. laughing
      2. tan0472
        tan0472 April 3 2013 09: 11 New
        +3
        Quote: Ali Baba
        By the way, why after liberation from so many parasites, Russia can’t achieve the level of the USSR even though the end of the 80s? Isn't it strange? and?

        My dear, are you an alien? Where have you been for the past twenty years? You do not know what happened in the post-Soviet space? Do not know the reasons for the devastation?
        1. Ali Baba
          Ali Baba April 3 2013 09: 25 New
          0
          Quote: tan0472
          Why did countries that gained independence from Russia, for the most part (not counting the capitals) slide down to the feudal system? Isn't it strange? and? Why are you so angry? ... angry like a dog.

          The feudal system in the North Caucasus Federal District which is an integral part of Russia and not Middle Asia wink I'm not evil, but just a fairy-tale hero who looks at everything with irony because otherwise you can’t read some comments ... wink
          By the way, here's the answer from another member of the site:

          Quote: tan0472
          My dear, are you an alien? Where have you been for the past twenty years? You do not know what happened in the post-Soviet space? Do not know the reasons for the devastation?
          1. tm70-71
            tm70-71 April 3 2013 13: 59 New
            +4
            Well, the brothers Rosiyans have your sayings. I’m thinking that we’ll somehow manage without the first channel, who will need to connect to the cable or buy a plate on the edge. For example, I’m ashamed to see how any cattle in “let them say” show Yes, and finally, the policy of the first has slipped to a yellow tabloid newspaper. We are judged by what they show about the whole of Russia, of course, and the Russian nation. So there’s nothing to be proud of there, well, just KVN, but there’s more to look there. Here and Ali Baba supports me, although his support for me is like a hare stop signal.
            1. Earthman
              Earthman April 4 2013 21: 09 New
              0
              Quote: tm70-71
              Well, the brothers Rosiyans have your sayings. I’m thinking that we’ll somehow manage without the first channel, who will need to connect to the cable or buy a plate on the edge. For example, I’m ashamed to see how any cattle in “let them say” show Yes, and finally, the policy of the first has slipped to a yellow tabloid newspaper. We are judged by what they show about the whole of Russia, of course, and the Russian nation. So there’s nothing to be proud of there, well, just KVN, but there’s more to look there. Here and Ali Baba supports me, although his support for me is like a hare stop signal.

              Yes, to hell with him with the first channel, there even KVN gave up, well, I do not want to watch the first channel
              http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2013/987/vnnr504.jpg
      3. andrejwz
        andrejwz April 3 2013 09: 28 New
        +2
        Quote: Ali Baba
        Really to hell with you. Why all as you do not think.

        I paraphrase the song of N. Romanov: You now swear and write in my language ...
    2. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu April 3 2013 10: 38 New
      +4
      Do you know the nationalists of all countries of the former USSR completely agree with you!?! wink As agree with your Natsik, including Zhirinovsim ..
      They are also for Russia for the Russians ... lol
      How to heat up a complete coincidence ....
    3. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 3 2013 11: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      To hell with Central Asia! Everything is perfectly clear that the Eurasian Union is utopian. Visas are needed with all of them. The only ones with whom to integrate are Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan (north)

      With the right approach and choice of strategy, the real thing is not. With regard to them, they will not be needed, there will already be another question Russia does not need, there will be others and the influence of the penetration of other forces into this region is already contrary to the national interests of Russia. And there will be a lot of people with the USA and Europe .
  9. Humpty
    Humpty April 3 2013 08: 02 New
    +7
    Atambaev achieved the cancellation of Russia's debt, in every possible way emphasizing his friendly attitude. Here in Kyrgyzstan, another rabid anti-Russian company begins, Atambayev is an active participant in it, although of course it is not only he who decides everything. Recently, Prime Minister Satybaldiev surprised Shuvalov to say the least, saying that Kyrgyzstan is ready to become an observer in the Customs Union. What does an observer mean in an organization that does not provide for such a status? This is the level of competency of a high-ranking official.
    Estimate, our Russian fuel and lubricants are no more expensive than in Russia itself. I do not understand very well why Russia writing off debts and preferential prices for fuel supports frankly Nazi regimes.
    Atambayev lived in Turkey for several years, as the president he demonstrated friendship with Saakashvilli, Georgian specialists - consultants actively help in the establishment of Kyrgyz democracy.
    The results are very tangible.
  10. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 April 3 2013 08: 08 New
    +1
    In this situation, again, the Russian-speaking population will suffer. I don’t know if they have cable channel I or not, but most people in Kyrgyzstan have such meager incomes that they can hardly pay for cable.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 3 2013 11: 20 New
      +3
      Quote: ia-ai00
      In this situation, again, the Russian-speaking population will suffer. I don’t know if they have cable channel I or not, but most people in Kyrgyzstan have such meager incomes that they can hardly pay for cable.

      Well, in the southern part of Kyrgyzstan I don’t think that people watch the first channel, but in the North there is no Internet in Bishkek? Or is it hot and bad?
      In St. Petersburg, in general, few people watch telly all over the Internet.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 3 2013 17: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: ia-ai00
      I don’t know if they have cable channel I or not, but most people in Kyrgyzstan have such meager incomes that they can hardly pay for cable.

      it’s not so expensive !!
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 April 4 2013 15: 21 New
        0
        Everything depends on the package, the cheapest package is about 500 som-10 green, the satellite is the cheapest 60 green, it’s not expensive. You really think that we live on the water with breadcrumbs, and go on a visit and for business on donkeys. About me : apartment in the bedroom area, although it is one-room apartment (the two of us have enough, the children live separately, the communal apartment is on average 1000 soms a year (a little more than 20 green), a Toyota Harrier car in 2001 (benza for yours about 28 rubles), I have a salary Of course high for Kyrgyzstan, well, this is a separate issue
  11. Humpty
    Humpty April 3 2013 08: 19 New
    0
    Quote: ia-ai00
    In this situation, again, the Russian-speaking population will suffer. I don’t know if they have cable channel I or not, but most people in Kyrgyzstan have such meager incomes that they can hardly pay for cable.

    In Bishkek, most sleeping areas use cable TV. Cellular communication in Kyrgyzstan is much cheaper and more convenient than in Kazakhstan.
  12. valokordin
    valokordin April 3 2013 08: 39 New
    +2
    Yes, and Trescoed correctly put it, you need to fix 1 channel, otherwise it is controlled by liberal Ernst (but not Telman) and you can only see Putin, Medvedev, detectives, half-naked women (which is unacceptable for Asia) and fun on the subject plague time. "
  13. sergo0000
    sergo0000 April 3 2013 08: 46 New
    +1
    Democracy is kind of like the power of the people. People in Kyrgyzstan wanted to live according to Western values, once they chose this idiot.
    Of course we all know how these elections go, but what can we do about it !?
    Unless to learn how to play by the "democratic" rules, bribing and killing us unwanted presidential candidates of these republics and nominating their people! But even here who has more money has an advantage.
    Therefore, the only way out is to become stronger and richer yourself, so that only when mentioning the name of Russia does anyone have the desire to even look askance in our direction! What Putin does
  14. amp
    amp April 3 2013 09: 13 New
    +1
    Of course, I understand and somewhere I share nostalgia for the Soviet empire, but I consider it wrong to integrate with the countries of Central Asia (Kazakhstan does not count). Now these are third world countries with all the problems of such countries. We need to build a wall with them to protect the country from the hungry crowds of Asians, instead of integrating.
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 April 3 2013 10: 00 New
      -1
      But Putin, Medvedev and Chubais do not agree with you. Their policy is Russia for everyone.
    2. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir April 3 2013 13: 48 New
      -1
      they said stupidity, I’m silent that it’s just not economically feasible (about the wall), but it’s also politically stupid
      1. amp
        amp April 3 2013 14: 39 New
        +1
        Meanwhile, there are more Muslims in St. Petersburg than in Mecca.
        This, according to Comrade General, is politically brilliant. )))))))
  15. Humpty
    Humpty April 3 2013 09: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: amp
    Of course, I understand and somewhere I share nostalgia for the Soviet empire, but I consider it wrong to integrate with the countries of Central Asia (Kazakhstan does not count). Now these are third world countries with all the problems of such countries. We need to build a wall with them to protect the country from the hungry crowds of Asians, instead of integrating.

    We have enough wall. In some places, Kazakhstan has stretched the barbed wire, Uzbek minefields have done along the border, although they are more likely to die during illegal crossings.
  16. marshes
    marshes April 3 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    Dordoi is full of satellite receivers, antennas, heads. Made in China. Prices are not very high. They can watch free Russian channels. smile Satellites-Yamal, Express, etc. It is possible and paid, but for this you need an Internet and codes, also for free. smile
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 3 2013 13: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: marshes
      It is possible and paid, but for this you need the Internet and codes, also for free.

      Where does all people, regardless of nationalities, have a love for freebies?
      Answer: from distant ancestors who lived in paradise, where everything was for free. winked
      1. marshes
        marshes April 3 2013 18: 01 New
        +2
        Galicino?
        If IEDs have finished, then which one?
        For PV! drinks soldier
  17. Anti
    Anti April 3 2013 11: 35 New
    +1
    Somehow Comrade Sukhov sent there.
    1. Black
      Black April 3 2013 23: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: Anti
      Somehow Comrade Sukhov sent there.

      But comrade is not bothered Sukhov !? In the 20s, Sukhov had an IDEA, a lofty goal - equality, fraternity, to become out of nothing, everything .... It needs something else, it will not fail (I apologize for the bad manners). Above, the guys expressed a true and sound idea - we need to move culture, education, a joint MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL business.
  18. rus9875
    rus9875 April 3 2013 12: 50 New
    +2
    With the money Russia has irrevocably given to Kyrgyzstan over the past 20 years, it was possible to take out all the Russian-speaking people who still want to leave there more than enough. Russia would have shown real concern for compatriots and extra working hands would not have prevented the country. And the Kyrgyz would have left for themselves and if we looked at what came out of it, the sight would be very instructive, especially for the rest of the sovereign CIS countries. And so, this money is being successfully sawn with new buys which have appeared there more than enough and largely due to the sharing of this money and all the Kyrgyz revolutions are taking place (next By the way, not far off) And each next revolution is more bloody than the previous
  19. Bosk
    Bosk April 3 2013 13: 20 New
    +2
    Well, they’ll cut off the Russian channels .., in Latvia we also had a moment when all the Russian channels were covered, it didn’t take long before the houses were jammed with satellite dishes, people need the government on the drum, people will find an option to watch whatever they want. All these scraps ... this is from an area of ​​light political pressure, this is stupid ... inept ... and temporarily.
  20. Romn
    Romn April 3 2013 13: 35 New
    0
    You need to independently configure the broadcast as possible in large regions of the world, regardless of whether they are against it or not. Moreover, it is especially hard to promote where they act against the interests of Russia. In this case, it will be possible to achieve maximum manipulation and communication of the necessary information to people. For this you need to invest as much as possible, this is the main non-contact weapon!
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba April 3 2013 13: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Romn

      You need to independently configure the broadcast as possible in large regions of the world, regardless of whether they are against it or not. Moreover, it is especially hard to promote where they act against the interests of Russia. In this case, it will be possible to achieve maximum manipulation and communication of the necessary information to people. For this you need to invest as much as possible, this is the main non-contact weapon!

      Thank you, Cap, we didn’t know ... only if you read the article, but I can doubt that the question here is just the price ... yours don’t want to spend money on the channel and they need to pay for the Kyrgyz channel and the money in the budget cried in this way they themselves get sting their own channel ...
  21. Horde
    Horde April 3 2013 14: 36 New
    0
    Termination of the broadcast of the First channel in Kyrgyzstan


    Is it worth it to be upset? the first is just the FIRST FIRST that he is, that his is not hot, not cold, pah and him, cheap.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 April 3 2013 15: 36 New
      +3
      Quote: Horde
      the first is just the FIRST FIRST, h

      "Fashionable sentence", "Let's get married", "Let them talk" .......
      The horde is right .........
      In general, some garbage TV .......
  22. spanchbob
    spanchbob April 3 2013 15: 43 New
    +2
    ROSIA: "Kyrgyzstan does not want to pay us for the first channel!" . - This is on the one hand. But if you look at the history, then the Kyrgyz should be grateful to Russia _ in the 19th century - the Kyrgyz are a semi-patriarchal and semi-primitive people - the "black wild stone Kyrgyz" who did not even have their own land .. And this even succumbed to the feudal Uzbeks! Nothing personal here - just history. Kirghiz gained statehood, only thanks to Russia! So that the Russians and the Kyrgyz agree on a "brotherly" (and, as always, the Russian "elder brother")
    1. Humpty
      Humpty April 3 2013 18: 27 New
      +1
      Yes, the modern territory of Kyrgyzstan was mainly part of the Kokand Khanate. A piece of the eastern part did not belong to anyone at all due to the lack of population and inaccessibility.
      1. marshes
        marshes April 3 2013 18: 30 New
        +2
        Quote: Humpty
        Yes, the modern territory of Kyrgyzstan was mainly part of the Kokand Khanate. A piece of the eastern part did not belong to anyone at all due to the lack of population and inaccessibility.

        And when those lands came into Mogulistan and lived there Dulaty and in Tashkent Dulaty lived.
        1. spanchbob
          spanchbob April 3 2013 21: 59 New
          +1
          Mogulistan is a temporary phenomenon, and very short. And in Dulat, Tashkent did not live, and for some time they were with the ruling group under Yunuskhan - at the end of the 15th century - the beginning of the 16th century (and these are different things), because were nomads. For example, according to the census of 1897, out of 156 thousand people - 154,5 thousand are Uzbeks, and 1,5 thousand are Russian people and no one else.
  23. Algor73
    Algor73 April 3 2013 21: 35 New
    +2
    I agree with the views of many that Russia will live without Kyrgyzstan. And Kyrgyzstan will also live without Russia. Just a question, how? But who thinks about ordinary citizens? But that is not the question. If Russia wants to hit Kyrgyzstan, then it should not skimp on television broadcasting. Propaganda is the main weapon. For many centuries, the Russian Empire gathered, and in one day everything collapsed. And her power was in unity.