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"Brothers-temptations"

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"Brothers-temptations"
It was no accident that I touched on the topic yesterday in the "question of the day" historical relations between Russia and the Orthodox peoples of southern Europe. For all the seeming attractiveness of the slogans of Pan-Slavism and the unity of the Orthodox, when making decisions in practical politics, and even more so in geopolitics, one still needs to proceed from realities, not ephemerisms, no matter how attractive they seem to us.


I was very pleased with the excerpt from Dostoevsky’s “Diary of a Writer” yesterday, which was dedicated to this issue. And although many have already read it there, let me once again place it in the text.

"... according to my inner conviction, the most complete and insurmountable - Russia will not have, and never have there been, such haters, envious, slanderers and even obvious enemies, like all these Slavic tribes, Russia will liberate them, and Europe agrees to recognize their release! And let them not object to me, do not dispute, do not shout at me that I exaggerate and that I am a hater of the Slavs! so it will come true, as I say, and not low, ungrateful y, though, the nature of the Slavs, not at all - they have character in this sense, as in all - and precisely because such things in the world differently and can not happen.

After their release, they will begin their new life, I repeat, precisely by asking themselves to be given the pledge and protection of their freedom from Europe, England and Germany, and even Russia will be in a concert of European powers, but they will protection from Russia and will do it.

They will certainly begin by saying that within themselves, if not directly out loud, they declare themselves and convince themselves that they are not obliged to Russia with the slightest gratitude, on the contrary, that they hardly escaped Russia’s power-loving intervention by the European concert, and not if Europe had intervened, Russia would have swallowed them right away, "bearing in mind the expansion of the borders and the foundation of the great All-Slavic empire on the enslavement of the Slavs to a greedy, cunning and barbarous Great Russian tribe."

Perhaps a whole century, or even more, they will continually tremble for their freedom and fear the lust for power of Russia; they will curry favor with European states, slander Russia, gossip and intrigue against it.

Oh, I'm not talking about individuals: there will be those who will understand what it means, it means that Russia will always mean to them. But these people, especially at the beginning, will appear in such a pitiful minority that they will be subjected to ridicule, hatred and even political persecution.

It will be especially pleasant for the liberated Slavs to express and blow to the whole world that they are educated tribes, capable of the highest European culture, while Russia is a barbarian country, a gloomy northern colossus, not even pure Slavic blood, a persecutor and hater of European civilization.

Of course, they will have, from the very beginning, constitutional governance, parliaments, responsible ministers, speakers, and speeches. They will be extremely comforting and admiring. They will be in ecstasy, reading telegrams about themselves in Paris and London newspapers informing the whole world that after a long parliamentary storm the ministry finally fell into (... the country to taste ...) and a new majority of the liberal majority someday theirs (... last name to taste ...) agreed to finally accept the portfolio of the president of the Council of Ministers.

Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with ecstasy, before losing their personality will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to go through a long and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything in its Slavic meaning and its special Slavic vocation among the humanity.

Among themselves, these lands will forever quarrel, always envy each other and intrigue against each other. Of course, in the moment of some serious misfortune, they will certainly turn to Russia for help. No matter how they hater, gossip and slander Europe to us, flirting with her and assuring her of love, they will always feel instinctively (of course, in a moment of trouble, not before) that Europe’s natural enemy of their unity was they will always remain, and what if they exist in the world, then, of course, because there is a huge magnet - Russia, which, irresistibly attracting them all to itself, thereby restrains their integrity and unity .... "

Needless to say, the topic is fully and comprehensively disclosed and for more than a hundred years its interpretation has not lost its relevance at all.

I drew attention to this topic when events began in Cyprus. Once again, they tried to harness us again, like a sledding horse for the sake of rescuing co-religionists. What kind of co-religionists they are, we’ll talk below, but for now I’ll just say that the direct reason for this text was one of the revelations of the Greek "holy elder" named Paisius Athos, the link to which I gave in the comments to the article "The Land of Fools" from the planet. " Moreover, the holiness of this husband, according to the assurances of the authors of the video made with his statements, is recognized by all politicians, statesmen, military men and even monks of Greece.

I don’t know how in Greece, but personally these prophecies caused a feeling of deep abomination in me. You can read them yourself from the links, and I will only briefly say how I understood them.

1. Turkey will violate the borders of Greece in the Aegean Sea. (Obviously, in connection with claims for some fields. We see the emergence of such conflicts in Cyprus, where the leadership of the Turkish part of the island aggressively warns about attempts to develop the shelf without agreeing with it - my note.)

2. The Greeks will not fight, but only try to stand along the borders, restraining the pressure of the Turks. “There will be a clash in the Mediterranean. We are not touched ”(that is, despite the fact that Turkey is attacking Greek territories, even if they are sea territories, the Greeks themselves do not seek to defend the fatherland, but are just glad that they are not touched when someone else faces their interests. But not Russia yet)

3. Further, “from above,” as the elder writes, the Russians will intervene, they will smash the Turks and take away Constantinople from them. (what do you think, what do we need it for - the Russians will need it? In order to give it to the Greeks. Give it, about which the elder writes quite frankly). “The city will be given to us as a result of the war between Turkey and Russia. The Russians will eventually win, and the city will fall into their hands. Then we get it back. They should give it to us. ”

Actually, you can safely stop at this, we add only that in one of the prophecies sounded quite a crazy amount of total losses in this Armageddon - 600 million people. It is clear that our among them will not be enough.

In my opinion, this prophecy perfectly illustrates the true attitude of Orthodox Europeans towards Russia. We owe them something forever. In the name of faith, in the name of unity of origin, it does not matter. Should. Just because neither is. But for their part, they owe us nothing and never. Funny brotherhood turns out, is not it?

So funny that I seriously thought about whether this is not an accident, but a carefully planned pattern of someone. After all, when time after time repeating the same thing, it can not be accidental. For the sake of what our ancestors died at Shipka, if after that the “bulletar Bulgarians” fought against us in both World? The reason for the start of the First World War and the guarantee of Russia's participation in it was the attempt on Ferdinand not somewhere, but in Yugoslavia, in Sarajevo. After that, with the permission of saying “Slavs”, they immediately began to shout “Russia, help.” And how to evaluate the double-dealing of Yugoslavia after the Second World War? How do you feel about the fact that after the heroic attack of our paratroopers in Pristina during the Kosovo conflict, the Yugoslavs immediately began to negotiate with NATO and the European Union behind our backs, making us look like a joke? And for what did our volunteers die in Yugoslavia?

And Orthodoxy itself is not so clear. Yes, Byzantium was the center of Christianity and Orthodoxy. But Byzantine Orthodoxy and Russian (Christian) Orthodoxy are not the same thing. Close, but the essence is different. Thank God that at one time Sergius of Radonezh and other devotees of the Faith were able to introduce into Christianity certain solar meanings of true Vedic Orthodoxy, which even the Nikonian treacherous reform could not completely destroy.

But it's not only that. At the level of the management of peoples and processes, this world is cruel and cunning. If there is any phenomenon in it and it exists for a long time, then someone strong is necessarily behind it. And now look at the zone of Byzantine Orthodoxy. Bulgaria, Romania, Greece, Cyprus, Yugoslavia. Which one is strong? Who prevented the establishment of Catholicism in these territories for centuries under European control? Indeed, in Poland, no one prevented this, despite the fact that Russia was much closer and even for quite a long time included Poland into its Empire. But in the south all of a sudden, all of a sudden such grace. No one even encroached. And do not talk about the roots and fortress of faith. In real politics, these are insignificant factors destroyed in one or two generations.

Let someone disagree, but I believe that European Byzantine Orthodoxy was preserved not in spite of, but thanks to the Vatican. Obviously, instead of making these peoples Catholics, it turned out to be more profitable for him, retaining in certain territories Islam, inherited from the Ottoman Empire, as a balancer for Orthodoxy and means of control over it.

We have all witnessed what has been going on in this region in the last twenty years. There is no doubt that this plan worked and justified one hundred percent.

Consequently, we can well assume that the preservation of Orthodoxy in the countries of Southern Europe, only in its original form, corresponding to the original intentions of the creators of Christianity, could be a means of constant psychological impact on Russia. Quite successful by the way, as history teaches us.

But is it worth it to vlyapyvatsya in this cheese in a mousetrap again? And most importantly for what? In order to once again we were raped, betrayed and left with a nose until the next time?
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 April 3 2013 06: 34 New
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    I agree about the Bulgarians, they have betrayed us several times .... yes, the southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 07: 20 New
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      Quote: sasha 19871987

      I agree about the Bulgarians, repeatedly betrayed

      In short, as the elder Constantinople predicted there we will return to the owners, which concerns Bolgar, then Vanga said that Bulgaria will be part of Russia. All the rest let them go through the forest. Especially Poland!
      And the words of Dostoevsky can and should be printed today, which is called to the time. The world does not change, everything remains as it is. I don’t want to shed blood for fools, but Russia’s fate is such hi
      1. Tersky
        Tersky April 3 2013 07: 29 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , The world does not change, everything remains as it is.

        Sasha hi ! History doesn’t teach only Russia,
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 07: 43 New
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          Quote: Tersky
          History doesn’t teach only Russia,

          Only unlike them, Russia can stand up for itself, and they only run for help to Russia.
          Here, Fox, in my opinion, wrote about his friend in Bulgaria, who wrote how good she was there unlike Russia, and now when the crisis hit, she says why Russia does not help. When it’s shitty, then Russia is needed, and when it’s good we can spit.
          Hello Victor hi
          1. Tersky
            Tersky April 3 2013 08: 04 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            how good it is there, unlike Russia, and now when the crisis hit, it says why Russia is not helping.

            God help ..... and the EU if he can wink
            1. Akhtuba73
              Akhtuba73 April 3 2013 10: 01 New
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              Quote: Tersky
              God help ..... and the EU if he can

              For two years I have been taking my family out there, frying the child in the sun. We live in a boarding house, the money does not hit and the climate is gentle. It is possible to ride a car in the vicinity. Communicated with the local population. Someone older is quite tolerant in Russian (and the language is similar). They recall the times of the Union with some regret. Although it was gray and wretched, they say, but the work was industry, people lived in confidence. Now for young people it is more fun and interesting, Europe is there, openness ... but there is no work. And for sure, you look, but only the products of the farmers have their own, they do nothing else, all Europeans ruined them, they put windmills along the coast and antennas for the NATO Navy. They themselves compare Bulgaria with a walking woman, who takes it stronger and walks. Love didn’t smell and never will be !!!
            2. Black Colonel
              Black Colonel April 3 2013 10: 34 New
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              Да уж. Вдоль дорог на Кипре плакатики висят "Русские братушки, помогите!"
              1. T-130
                T-130 April 3 2013 14: 48 New
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                And help! All sorts of Kudrins and the like, the current is not Cyprus, but the Fed and the ECB! From its activities, the damage to the Russian economy is difficult to calculate!
            3. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg April 3 2013 12: 35 New
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              The EU has already helped them. Now they won’t pay forever. But God has his own business :)
            4. datur
              datur April 4 2013 00: 53 New
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              [quote=Терский][quote=Александр романов],как еи там хорошо в отличие от России,а сейчас когда бахнул кризис говорит,а почему Россия не помогает. belay
              God will help. recourse .... and if the EU can wink - AND IF he wants to! But if he wants to - that’s the question? wink laughing
      2. edge
        edge April 3 2013 09: 38 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        . The world does not change, everything remains as it is. I don’t want to shed blood for fools, but Russia’s fate is such

        I believe that we have enough brains not to get involved, to protect us .... tsev ......... you look, there they will clamp themselves will come running to us.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 April 3 2013 10: 49 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        In short, as the elder Constantinople predicted there, we will return to the owners, which concerns Bolgar, then Vanga said that Bulgaria will be part of Russia.

        Of course, I don’t know about the abilities of the old man, and from what layers of multidimensional space he got information, but I know for sure that the future is not static, and it is impossible to predict anything with 100% accuracy.
        The future is being formed today, now. It happens that the whole course of history depends on the act of one person, on whose side he will take.
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        see the fate of Russia is such

        And Russia’s fate will be beautiful. This is the future world center of civilization, science, culture, technological progress and future technologies based on ether control, using the energies of the Earth’s magnetic field.
        1. Etna
          Etna April 3 2013 17: 04 New
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          baltika-18 And Russia’s fate will be beautiful. This is the future world center of civilization, science, culture, technological progress and future technologies based on ether control, using the energies of the Earth’s magnetic field.
          Как в "2012. Хроники Апокалипсиса" А. Медведева?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 April 3 2013 19: 52 New
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            Quote: Etna
            Как в "2012. Хроники Апокалипсиса" А. Медведева?

            Do not read.......
            I don’t know what is written there.
            I'll have to see.
        2. Nick
          Nick April 3 2013 21: 16 New
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          Quote: baltika-18
          The future is being formed today, now. It happens that the whole course of history depends on the act of one person, on whose side he will take.

          Butterfly Effect...
      4. huut
        huut April 3 2013 17: 56 New
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        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        I don’t want to shed blood for fools, but Russia’s fate is such

        Надо не поддаваться на "братушек", и руководствоваться умом, а не эмоциями, хоть иногда. Я имею в виду не правительственные реляции (у него свои, высшие, интересы), а отношение на уровне простого населения.
        If they really were with us, then I have nothing against, but with such a one-sided brotherhood, all their sentimental screams must be watched closely and squinted.
        And the fate of Russia has nothing to do with it. What we sow, we reap.
        Болгары... Да тут Украина готовится отражать русскую агрессию и взывает к Европе, а вы про кипрских "братушек"... И как бы нам не хотелось иметь действительно искреннее братство с некоторыми народами, но никому это на хрен не надо кроме нас. У всех только интересы.

        Of course, rejecting calls is not worth it - you need to consider them. Hugs are a myth. Sincerely sorry.
      5. Skiff-2
        Skiff-2 April 3 2013 21: 49 New
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        Despite its informativeness, the article is clearly provocative. Firstly, the author found out about the elder Paisii from some video and apparently nothing is known to him except the video about the old man. And about the future war about. Paisiy said the following: the Turks will want to seize the islands in the Aegean Sea and part of the coast, and they will manage to do this, but then they will be faced with a big disaster from the North - referring to Russia (the conversation was in the 80s) we have an agreement with Greece on military assistance in case of aggression. Turkey will immediately forget about the islands, but Europe will harness for it and then it’s blazing beyond childhood, Russia will not be up to the Turks and it will give them to the Armenians and Kurds to eat, which after the victory will create their states on its territory, and Russia will beat Europe for now a voice from heaven will not stop the war. Victory will be ours - a voice tells us to submit to the Russian leader. And peace will come. There is not a word about America in this war, apparently then it will no longer be as a single state. And during the war, Russia will allow Constantinople to occupy the Greek troops, because under the circumstances it will be more convenient for it, part of Asia Minor will also go to the Greeks. Turkey will cease to exist. Here's something like that at about. Paisia, and not only for him ... But Russia really has such a fate - to keep this world from ruining and restore order on the planet from time to time, without demanding anything in return. This is our CROSS, since we are RUSSIAN. Sincerely .
        1. Uncle
          Uncle April 3 2013 23: 20 New
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          Quote: Skif-2
          The article, despite its informativeness, is clearly provocative

          Is it possible to call the author a bastard or will it be an insult?
        2. hrych
          hrych April 3 2013 23: 22 New
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          I don’t know, my colleague, as with the Greek treaty, but this country has been in NATO since 1952, which means during hour X, the Greek generals open secret packages and must begin to kill Soviet, and now Russian citizens in the direction of their area of ​​responsibility. Paisius Svyatorets himself is not distinguished by the gift of prophecy, but is an interpreter of the prophecies of Cosmas of Aetolia, translating his prophecies in a modern way, nevertheless, relying on statistical data and political science data. Combining mysticism and statistics, he did not give prophecies, but rather predictions. So you can compare the prophecies of Sarov and their interpretation of Nilus. Due to what on faith to take them is not worth it. And most importantly: Constantinople is a city of the Roman Empire and has nothing to do with smelly Greeks to give it to them for their meanness.
          1. Tverichanka
            Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 07 New
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            Quote: hrych
            And most importantly: Constantinople

            Ай-яй-яй,стыдно не знать! Не Римской империи,а Византии.Они правда любили называть себя ромеями,что значило-римлянин,но к Риму,увы,не имели никакого отношения.А Византия во все время своего существования вела очень своеобразную политику.Было даже выражение-"Коварный,как византиец".Так что грекам было,что получить в наследство.
            1. Setrac
              Setrac April 4 2013 13: 29 New
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              Quote: Tverichanka
              Ai-yai-yay, ashamed not to know!

              Ay-yai-yay, how embarrassing to believe the enemy's anti-Russian history.
              The only ethnic Romans on the planet in our time are Romanians (Romans, etc.), in Greece and Asia Minor there are no traces of Romans. But at the mouth of the Danube there is the city of Constanta, which in Greek will sound like Constantinople, the earliest key shopping center of the whole Danube, something like for Russia Peter.
              If Byzantium existed, it is not where Western historiography places it.
            2. hrych
              hrych April 4 2013 17: 20 New
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              Ay-yai-yay, Ninok,
              take the famous Wikipedia and what we see:
              The Byzantine Empire, Byzantium, Eastern Roman Empire (395 [4] —1453) - a state that took shape in 395 due to the final division of the Roman Empire after the death of Emperor Theodosius I into the western and eastern parts. Less than eighty years after the partition, the Western Roman Empire ceased to exist, leaving Byzantium the historical, cultural and civilizational successor of Ancient Rome for almost ten centuries of the history of late Antiquity and the Middle Ages [5] [6].
              The name "Byzantine" Eastern Roman Empire received in the writings of Western European historians after their fall, it comes from the original name of Constantinople - Byzantium, where the Roman emperor Constantine I transferred the capital of the Roman Empire in 330, officially renaming the city "New Rome"[7]. The Byzantines themselves called themselves the Romans - in Greek "Romans" [7], and their power - "Roman (" Romey ") empire" (in the Greek (Byzantine) language - Βασιλεία Ῥωμαίων, Basileía Romaíon) or briefly by “Romania” (Ῥωμανία, Romania).

              Очаровательная Нинок, от себя добавлю, что римский император Константин принял христианство в виде Арианства, как и Готы с Вандалами, где нет института церкви, а весьма скромные обряды в виде отпевания, крещения и венчания исполнял один из достойных членов паствы ни чем от других не выделявшийся, разве, что грамотностью. Далее мы имеем идеологический захват и узурпацию учения бывшими представителями римской касты жрецов, но не юпитерианцев, т.к. именно египетские культы господствовали в Риме до принятия Христа. Далее идет формирование паразитического института с преобладанием "старого завета" над "новым" (сравните хотяб размер книг). Раскол на католиков и ортодоксов (православие - русское слово) это был внутренний раскол этой касты и шел по линии этнической, т.к. греческое большинство в "Новом Риме" захотело самостийности и начало внедрять замену латыни на греческий язык. Начиная с захвата идеологии (церковной) греками пошел и закат "Нового Рима", греческое большинство из-за торгашеских наклонностей захватило экономику "Нового Рима" и перед разгромом турками мы вообще видим изгнание оставшихся ромеев греками. А дальше историю писали греческие попы, где заменили "Славный Рим" паршивыми греками (на бумаге) Новый Рим на греческое слово Константинополь, Римскую Империю на Византийскую и т.п.. Вот краткий курс падения "Нового Рима". Добавлю, что когда турецкий султан Мехмед Второй взял город удивился, что богатые греческие олигархи не дали последнему Императору денег на оборону города и их прикончил.
        3. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 01 New
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          Quote: Skif-2
          This is our CROSS, since we are RUSSIAN

          Here the hell knows what you wrote !!!! So, if we are Russians, then should we shed our blood, lay our people, plunge our country into calamities and want for all the ungrateful and petty traitors (more than once)? So that later they again, for the umpteenth time, spit in our face? Are you out of your mind? If you feel like going ahead and with the song personally, you can grab your son, son-in-law, grandson! Your business! But there is nothing again to hang this yoke on the neck of his homeland, exclaiming-This is our cross !!! Pipes, my friend, will not work ...
    2. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB April 3 2013 08: 23 New
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      Да, а если считать что Турция и православная Русь, до никона, во времена Сулеймана Великолепного, считались союзниками и единоверцами, а католики рассматривались исключительно как поклоняющиеся нечистому, тогда всё на своём месте получается, и реформа прозападная никона и турецкие войны в последствии, которые и провоцировались всегда западом (почти всегда ушки англии выглядывали), да и сейчас делается всё, что бы Россия не смогла иметь в друзьях Турцию, Германию, Японию, делается всё, чтобы этого не произошло, зато болгарские иудушки - братушки, да и многоие "братские" словянские народы, когда петух жареный клюёт о братстве вспоминают, а как всё нормально так плюнуть или пнуть втихаря норовят.
      1. Setrac
        Setrac April 3 2013 14: 49 New
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        That's right, you need to draw countries such as Turkey, Iran into the vehicle’s orbit, then ours will be all of Central Asia, Syria, Iraq. Another direction - Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Germany - before the Romanovs, they were all our allies in the fight against the Pope.
        1. mnn_13
          mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 02 New
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          It’s hard to pull Turkey into the face of Erdogan. She was promised the restoration of the Ottoman Empire and, therefore, she abruptly changed her political course. Esli did not understand - Turkey is now the main springboard in the war against Syria. Not Israel but Turkey! Negotiations with the Kurds are only a stage of fragmentation and destruction of Syria. After Syria, Turkey will continue to the Balkans (Bulgaria), the Muslim peoples in the post-Soviet space and in the east to Iraq and Iran, it will not stop if anyone does not ...
      2. Uncle
        Uncle April 3 2013 23: 21 New
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        Quote: AndreyAB
        Yes, and if we assume that Turkey and Orthodox Russia, before Nikon, during the time of Suleiman the Magnificent, were considered allies and co-religionists,

        Is this a joke? Believers with the Turks? Allies?
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 4 2013 13: 21 New
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          Quote: Uncle
          Is this a joke? Believers with the Turks? Allies?

          What's wrong?
    3. edge
      edge April 3 2013 09: 34 New
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      Quote: sasha 19871987
      yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them

      I absolutely agree with the article, over the centuries they have been taught to lick some boots, and yap in the opposite direction (Stockholm Syndrome), I can’t even imagine that it can deploy them to us, if only the threat of complete physical destruction ..... although experience Serbia shows that it is unlikely.
      1. tomas.09
        tomas.09 April 3 2013 14: 02 New
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        Отрывок из романа В. Пикуля "Честь имею"
        Honestly, I did not want to go to Bulgaria at all, the steamer left without me. In this decision, I was finally confirmed after a meeting with a Bulgarian politician, [241] who was returning to his homeland from Petersburg too irritated by the results of the war.

        “You ... betrayed us!” He told me. - If there are no friends on the Neva, then in the future we will find them on the blue Danube.

        I remember I even shook from a hint of Viennese support. I replied to this Talleyrand (answered calmly) that the Russian people left two hundred thousand graves of soldiers on Bulgarian soil, and this became a payment for the freedom of Bulgaria, and the personal ambitions of Tsar Ferdinand are inappropriate here:

        “What will you do with our graves?”

        Then this insolent man, without a twinge of conscience, answered me:

        “We will walk from ... to your graves!”

        (I admit, reader, I did not believe in such cynicism, thinking that the author of the memoirs was exaggerating, and wanted to delete this phrase from his text. But in the old edition of the Central Archive of the USSR “Tsarist Russia in World War I” I found confirmation of these cynical words. Bulgaria was sliding into an alliance with the Austro-German bloc.)
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 3 2013 14: 29 New
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          Quote: tomas.09
          That is how Bulgaria slipped into an alliance with the Austro-German bloc.

          Thank you very much for your topic. hi
          And then here some again want to throw Russian firewood into the Bulgarian firebox.
        2. sergius60
          sergius60 April 3 2013 16: 44 New
          0
          Многоуважаемые, на сайте размещена статья - "Лицо русской национальности, или крах популярной расологии". Впечатление произвела. Кипячение мозгов гарантировано. Оч-чень многое объясняет как раз по ЭТОЙ теме "братушек". Как-то все расставляет на свои места. Пожалуйста ссылка: http://topwar.ru/26169-lico-russkoy-nacionalnosti-ili-krah-populyarnoy-rasologii
          .html
        3. mnn_13
          mnn_13 April 5 2013 01: 24 New
          0
          We will walk from ... to your graves!

          Yeah ... here some people have some bold pleasure in finding all sorts of facts aimed at inciting Bulgarianophobia. And when in real life we ​​will not find them in the memoirs of 100 years ago. Someone said something ... But such only in Bulgaria ...
          And it doesn’t matter at all that in real life these graves and monuments still stand as new, that schoolchildren and the population are regularly delivering flowers and crowns there, that the guard companies are still honored ...
          Well, it’s not interesting, it’s important that some kind of person said something 100 years ago and there’s not even a 100% guarantee that this is not a literary invention of the author ...
          Bulgarianophobia reaches the level of pathological hysteria.
          Можно ли кто нибуд скажет мне кто был тот американский политик в разгаре холодной войне которой бросился через окно с крики "Русские идут!!" и погиб?
    4. does it
      does it April 3 2013 10: 18 New
      +6
      Zhirinovsky at the Council of Europe in 1999
    5. vezunchik
      vezunchik April 3 2013 10: 44 New
      +2
      If a person does not want to change his life, no matter how you help him, he will not change it ....
    6. Ribwort
      Ribwort April 3 2013 11: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..

      Well, there are exceptions ... Do you know, for example, that Montenegro is still formally at war with Japan? Ever since the Russo-Japanese War! As you know, Russia lost that war, the Montenegrins refused to recognize themselves defeated and they still have not signed a peace treaty. Although, really, there was no talk of any military operations, of course, either earlier or now ... laughing
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 16: 38 New
        +3
        Quote: Ribwort
        Russia lost, the Montenegrins refused to recognize themselves defeated and the peace treaty is still not signed

        Yes, you can fight like that.
        And how many Montenegrins fought in Port Arthur?
      2. hrych
        hrych April 3 2013 18: 25 New
        +5
        Firstly, in order to claim that Russia has lost, it is not necessary to have a peace treaty, but a surrender pact. Did Russia sign it?

        Always look at the outcome of the war, and they are as follows:
        As a result of the peace talks, Russia and Japan pledged to withdraw troops from Manchuria, use the railways for commercial purposes only and not obstruct the freedom of trade and navigation. Russian historian A.N. Bokhanov writes that the Portsmouth accords became an undoubted success of Russian diplomacy: the negotiations were more like an agreement of equal partners, rather than an agreement concluded as a result of an unsuccessful war [88]. Russia spent 2347 million rubles on the war, about 500 million rubles were lost in the form of property that had receded to Japan. The war cost Japan a tremendous effort compared to Russia. She had to put under arms 1,8% of the population (Russia - 0,5%), during the war, her external public debt grew 4 times (in Russia by a third) and reached 2400 million yen.

        According to various sources, the Japanese army lost from 49 thousand (B. Ts. Urlanis) to 80 thousand (doctor of historical sciences I. Rostunov), while the Russian army lost 32 thousand (Urlanis) to 50 thousand . (Rostunov) or 52 people (G.F. Krivosheev). Russian losses in land battles were half that of Japan. In addition, 501 17 Russians and 297 38 Japanese soldiers and officers died from wounds and diseases (Urlanis). The incidence in both armies was about 617 people. per 25 per month, but the mortality rate in Japanese medical institutions was 1000 times higher than the Russian figure [2,44].

        So, Montenegrins can not be too busy.
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 15 New
        0
        Quote: Ribwort
        Montenegro is still formally

        So what? This is complete nonsense. You see, they are in a state of war ... And how does it come to real shooting, then where are they? Sheer hypocrisy ...
    7. nakaz
      nakaz April 3 2013 13: 31 New
      +1
      A look from an unexpected side.
      1. strannik595
        strannik595 April 3 2013 14: 05 New
        +2
        Thank God that at one time Sergius of Radonezh and other devotees of the Faith were able to introduce into Christianity certain solar meanings of true Vedic Orthodoxy, which even the Nikonian treacherous reform could not completely destroy.
        ................приплыли....."ведическое православие" это что-то новенькое, а плюнуть в патриарха Никона, исправившего накопившиеся за столетия в рукописях ошибки в соответствии с древними афонскими и палестинскими текстами это вообще из ряда вон......братушки о братушках вспоминают только когда гром грянет
        1. Iraclius
          Iraclius April 3 2013 20: 28 New
          0
          I will not say anything about Vedic Orthodoxy so as not to laugh. And, here, about the fact that the Greeks adopted the Florentine Union in the 1439 year - I will recall gloatingly. yes Прижали турки - и приняли. Правда Европа их и тогда кинула. Но доверие к этим "единоверцам", как говорится, подорвано. Если уж самое святое стало предметом торгашества, то о чём к ними можно разговаривать? Змеиная византийская политика, что тут сказать? request
        2. Uncle
          Uncle April 3 2013 23: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: strannik595
          Vedic Orthodoxy

          How do you spell, nonsense or oohinea?
          1. hrych
            hrych April 4 2013 00: 13 New
            +1
            Тут, Деметрий, есть значение слов. Все, так сказать дружественные конфессии, мы называем православными, однако самоназвание - греческое ортодоксы. И ещё молимся мы не на греческом языке, а на русском с момента принятия Христианства и кто говорит, что мы приняли греческую веру не правда, у нас русская православная церковь. А теперь разберем слово православие и получим языческое славие "Прави". "Правь", "навь" и "явь" у дохристианских русов три стороны бытия. «Явь» была реальностью, «Правь» - истина, и наконец, «Навь» была потусторонним миром. В отличии от, к примеру, египтян боготворивших загробный мир, христиане его отвергают, где Христос смертию смерть поправ и сущим во гробах живот даровал. И наше христианство и есть вера в истину. И наше русское православие (не путать с греческим фарисейством, которое нам навязал Никон) оказывается совершенно не противоречащим арийским ведам, т.е. ведичеству.
        3. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 22 New
          +1
          Quote: strannik595
          errors accumulated over centuries in manuscripts

          Ой,Вам бы почитать что-нибудь о Никоне из серьезного...Вы о чем?Какие ошибки?Вы вообще что об этом периоде знаете?Вам ни разу не встречалось высказывание Никона,когда он гордо уходил с патриаршества-"Аки пес не возвращается на блевотину свою,таки и я не возвращусь сюда".И как Вам это?...Ведь надо же из разных источников получать инфу,тогда меньше будет ошибок в суждениях.
    8. htpm100
      htpm100 April 3 2013 15: 47 New
      +3
      Dear Alexander, by the way, the Greek name. I completely agree with you about the Bulgarians (not all), but about Greece and Cyprus, I still don’t agree with you. The Greeks and Cypriots never forgot and forget the support provided by Russia during the Greek Revolution and the subsequent Unfortunately, Greece and Cyprus are in the region full of enemies and the sphere of influence of Western countries (which the general population opposes) and Russia is the only pillar (the only Orthodox country that has weight in the world), therefore Russia is asking for help. Greece and with it Cyprus has never opposed Russia (in NATO, Greece did not join its will) and I never hope it will be so I think it’s not quite right to speak about these countries and their peoples.
      1. Storyteller
        Storyteller April 3 2013 21: 25 New
        +1
        Serbs and Greeks, the only ones who did not fall under Hitler in the last century. Not treacherous in them, apparently the essence.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle April 3 2013 23: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: htpm100
        I completely agree with you about the Bulgarians (not all),

        Well, that is not all. And then I was already worried that Cyril and Methodius would be recorded as enemies. smile
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 30 New
        0
        Quote: htpm100
        NATO Greece did not join their will)

        А по чьей? Ее что-оккупировали натовцы,и принудили таки вступить? Не смешите здесь народ,на сайте все зубастые и загрызть могут....Вот тоже мне -невинные овечки.Ползают-ползают перед Западом на карачках,а как жрать захотят,так к России-"Ой,не виноватые мы"Не по своей,мол,воле"...Тошно вас слушать,а еще тошней смотреть на все ваши ужимки и прыжки....Еще Укркаине бы опомниться,посмотреть на Болгарию,Грецию,Кипр...Не одумаются-будет то же самое.Только поздно будет пить "Боржоми"
    9. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 16 New
      0
      I agree about the Bulgarians, repeatedly betrayed ....

      Vipers, but what do people expect from them ?! They are all to blame!
      Сколько хорошо что вы никогда никаго не предавали..."Белое поле как дольгая жизнь без враня..."

      yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
    10. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 19 New
      +1
      yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
    11. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 51 New
      0
      yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 36 New
        +1
        No, dear friend, there is nothing to hide behind the monuments. They are stone, they have a light bulb. But living people (like their own Slavs) do abominations and do not blush. On whose side, darling, did you fight in both of the World? Which side now darted? So let the monuments stand, they are put on the case, the blood of our great-grandfathers is shed in them, shed for you .... And you, living today, do not have the right to cover these treasures with these monuments.
        1. mnn_13
          mnn_13 April 4 2013 19: 35 New
          0
          Nina, dear, you liked me! I am always well met by people who know everything and have positions on all issues of world development and agricultural accounting ...
          And if Bulgaria was not then the USSR would still exist ... ex-bastards!
    12. Maksim
      Maksim 27 May 2017 11: 45 New
      0
      Once I agree - obviously you do not know anything.
  2. ATATA
    ATATA April 3 2013 06: 40 New
    26
    I essentially agree with the article. Let all Eastern Europeans go through the forest. Russia with its victims in the 20th century simply needs healthy egoism. And land and resources for 1 years to advance will be enough of their own. It is necessary to concentrate efforts within the country.
    And then, when we heal the wounds, restore our strength, we will show what the world order and woe is to those who will not be with us. hi
    1. esaul
      esaul April 3 2013 07: 24 New
      +7
      Quote: ATATA
      Russia with its victims in the 20 century simply needs healthy egoism

      Otak from, said good Greetings hi
      I read this article a couple of days ago and was delighted. Here is a summary of all our debates over the brotherhood with the southern Slavs.
      Такая фраза, подытоживающая бредни "святого старца", больше смахивающие на теорию Гитлера и некоторых наших доморощенных либералов -----

      Actually, you can safely stop at this, we add only that in one of the prophecies sounded quite a crazy amount of total losses in this Armageddon - 600 million people. It is clear that our among them will not be enough.

      ------ Talks a lot.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 07: 42 New
        0
        Greetings Valery. hi
      2. Uncle
        Uncle April 3 2013 23: 30 New
        0
        Quote: esaul
        бредни "святого старца", больше смахивающие на теорию Гитлера

        How fast are you to conclusions! Here we, the Orthodox, honor the elder Paisius. And you read the article of some bastard and smeared it with dirt. Condemn a person who is completely unfamiliar to you. Do not believe the esteemed old man, and believe the nameless scribe? Why so naive?
        1. hrych
          hrych April 3 2013 23: 38 New
          +1
          If the elder respected by the Greeks teaches his flock to get hot chestnuts not with their own hands, then those whose hands should be charred should take a good look at this old man before breaking his forehead.
          1. Uncle
            Uncle April 4 2013 00: 05 New
            0
            Quote: hrych
            the old man teaches his flock to get hot chestnuts out of hand

            Well, you really translate everything into the literal plane. Each has its own mission, to fight against someone, to predict from someone.
            1. hrych
              hrych April 4 2013 00: 31 New
              +2
              Повторюсь, Паисий толкователь Косьмы Этолийского и занимался "объяснением" двусмысленных фраз Святого.
              For example, Kosma’s Tsargrad says: "So much blood will be shed in the City that a three-year-old goby can swim in it."
              And Paisius interprets: “In Constantinople there will be a fierce battle between Russians and Europeans. A lot of blood will be shed. "
              I mean, the Saint says one thing, and the candidate for saints brings up another, but not without logic.
        2. Tverichanka
          Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 47 New
          0
          Quote: Uncle
          Here we, the Orthodox, honor the elder Paisius.

          А что Вам как-то ЕСАУЛ мешает его чтить?Да чтите на здоровье! С чего Вы вдруг решили,что он от "какого-то писаки"измазался грязью? У Вас что-право на истину?каждый имеет на нее такое же право,как и Вы.Вам так нравится,ему по-другому...И что с того?Любите Вы,чуть что,возвеличиться своей верой...А где соблюдение правил?"Если кто хочет из вас стать наибольшим,пусть станет наименьшим"...Вот и становитесь,а не только декларируйте...А то привыкли всем рот затыкать....И учтите-мне на рейтинги глубоко фиолетово и от ваших минусов-ни тепло,ни холодно...Это я к тому,чтобы случайно мозолей не набили,минусуя...
      3. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 39 New
        0
        Quote: esaul
        I roamed this article a couple of days ago and was delighted.

        And they were right !!! And a million pluses to you !!!!
    2. Soldier
      Soldier April 3 2013 07: 52 New
      +4
      Quote: ATATA
      Let all Eastern Europeans go through the forest.
      For many centuries Russia has been gathering lands and uniting peoples. But the trick is that you can control people, if you have something, unite them, but COLUMN is not possible. And all these figurines towards Russia are the voice of the crowd, provoked by all scum, and not PEOPLE. Yes, what I am telling you is to take a person of any nationality and talk to him face to face. And you will see that 99,9999% of people turn out to be quite adequate and peaceful, without any nonsense in their head.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 09: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: Armeec
        Any nationality and chat with him heart-to-heart. And you will see that 99,9999% of people will be quite adequate and peaceful, without any nonsense in my head.

        While you will be talking to each person personally, the TV will brainwash them so that they will take a machine gun and run into the forest with the Russian Ivan.
        Why do you need this ?!
        Nah! Let the Americans feed them.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle April 3 2013 23: 31 New
        0
        Quote: Armeec
        take a person of any nationality and chat with him

        Can't you calm down with your nationality?
    3. valokordin
      valokordin April 3 2013 09: 30 New
      +1
      Quote: ATATA
      I agree in essence with the article. Let all Eastern Europeans go through the forest. Russia with its victims in the 20th century simply needs healthy egoism. And land and resources for 1 years to advance will be enough of their own. It is necessary to concentrate efforts within the country.
      And then, when we heal the wounds, restore our strength, we will show what the world order and woe is to those who will not be with us.

      Nothing is done without allies, all Slavic brothers do not live according to related concepts, like the rest, but live according to the political and economic laws that Karl Marx and V. Engels also derived. Well, no matter how pyzhit, but no one has repealed and will not repeal these laws. The conclusion is that we must live by these objective laws ourselves, and if allies are needed, then they are chosen as necessary and the course of development coincides. Therefore, Belarusians, Indians, Cubans will remain our allies (although we betrayed them). The rest, including the Ukrainians in their current form, will not be allies.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 10: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: valokordin
        The rest, including the Ukrainians in their current form, will not be allies.

        Ukraine in its current form is anti-Russia and therefore must be disposed of.
        Center and west to geyropu, south and east home to Russia.
        1. dropout
          dropout April 3 2013 12: 20 New
          +6
          Quote: ATATA
          Center and west to geyropu, south and east home to Russia.


          "ТЫ ЧО МОРДА ЦАРСКАЯ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫМИ ЗЕМЛЯМИ РАЗБРАСЫВАЕШСЯ"
          1. ATATA
            ATATA April 3 2013 16: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: dropout
            "ТЫ ЧО МОРДА ЦАРСКАЯ ГОСУДАРСТВЕННЫМИ ЗЕМЛЯМИ РАЗБРАСЫВАЕШСЯ"

            Famously!!! laughing
            And what You did to reunite Russia? For disagreeing reunited Ukrainians will you run through the forests with a gun?
    4. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 3 2013 10: 40 New
      0
      I agree to all 100! But with a focus on solving internal problems, it is necessary not to miss out on foreign policy. China was once fenced off by the Great Wall
      1. eretik
        eretik April 3 2013 11: 41 New
        +2
        It was not China that built the wall, but we, the stone curtain, so to speak. Once again, I am convinced that the ancestors were much smarter than us.
    5. Defender
      Defender April 3 2013 11: 46 New
      +2
      И если помогать, то под "железобетонные" экономические и политические гарантии, типа верёвки на мошонке soldier
    6. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek April 3 2013 12: 06 New
      0
      вот это верно! "Россия концентрируется" (Горчаков). Хватит уже помогать всем и вся, пора помочь самим себе, благо все для этого есть ( и ресурсы и мозги и рабочие руки)
      1. KamikadZzzE1959
        KamikadZzzE1959 April 3 2013 13: 16 New
        +1
        Dostoevsky was right. History confirmed
  3. Goldkonstantin
    Goldkonstantin April 3 2013 06: 54 New
    +1
    Вот и помогай после этого "братьям" славянам. Столетия под пятой Турции их ничему не научили. А Россия что? Сколько наших воинов полегло под Плевной и битве за Шипку! Турция вообще не там, где Константинополь, восточнее, гораздо восточнее. Сербы нет, они всегда искали и видели в России защиту. В отличии от Болгарии. После вступления в ЕС им мозги промыли.
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 03: 56 New
      0
      Quote: GoldKonstantin
      After joining the EU, they were brainwashed

      Нет,не так!Сначала мозги,потом-ЕС...А какими сладкими виделись там пряники!!Вот и пусть лакомятся!Приятного аппетита!!!! А мы уж тут сами,нам и без пряников нормально.Окрошечки навернем с черным хлебцем и славно!Зато свое,ни у кого не клянчим и не бегаем,не ищем-"А где будет выгодней?"
    2. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 19: 40 New
      0
      brain washed

      Yeah ... praise to all those whose brains are washed in no case impossible! This will happen to them completely impossible. Real girls and guys!
  4. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar April 3 2013 07: 00 New
    +5
    Not in everything, but I agree with the author. On the buoy these are all brotherhoods. Or economic relations or unconditional entry into the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. And we, in turn, have enough of ourselves to save the compassionate saviors, we need to develop. Work, give birth, create. Strengthen yourself personally and demand from the state to strengthen the army and the economy.
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 3 2013 23: 33 New
      0
      Quote: Nesvet Nezarya
      Strengthen yourself personally and demand from the state to strengthen the army and the economy.

      Simple as that!
  5. Fox
    Fox April 3 2013 07: 02 New
    +3
    всякий раз открываю новые и новые стороны Достоевского.сестра,училка литературы,даже (училась в начале 80х в институте) не слышала о таких произведениях .в школах этому не учат.специально?а насчёт "братушек",автор прав :идут они все лесом!
    1. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 3 2013 10: 50 New
      +1
      В школе нас ЗАСТАВЛЯЛИ УЧИТЬ, т.к. в школьном возрасте произведения классиков воспринимаются иначе, нежели после 20-30-40 лет. Писали-то взрослые дядьки о взрослой жизни. Ведь, чем больше жизненного опыта, тем осмысление произведений происходит на более серьёзном уровне Да и подавали то, что было "идеологически верным" на тот исторический период.
    2. Setrac
      Setrac April 3 2013 15: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: Fox
      всякий раз открываю новые и новые стороны Достоевского.сестра,училка литературы,даже (училась в начале 80х в институте) не слышала о таких произведениях .в школах этому не учат.специально?а насчёт "братушек",автор прав :идут они все лесом!

      These are not works of art, many great writers have interesting documentaries.
  6. treskoed
    treskoed April 3 2013 07: 07 New
    +3
    Quote: But is it worth it to plunge into this cheese in a mousetrap again? And most importantly for what? In order to once again have raped, betrayed and left with a nose until the next time?
    This must be remembered when making any decision in international relations!
  7. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF April 3 2013 07: 10 New
    +2
    Dostoevsky, it turns out, was not only a writer, he and a strategist. He said everything correctly, as if he had spied. How much Russian blood has been shed in the Balkans and from beyond the Balkans, while locals will either join the Fourth Union, or they want to join NATO, Comrade EU.
  8. Kurdalagon
    Kurdalagon April 3 2013 07: 11 New
    +8
    Вот только не надо тут на серьезном сайте про "ведическое православие"! И славянские народы стравливать не надо. Не все так плохо.
    1. Son
      Son April 3 2013 07: 55 New
      +2
      Если оставить в стороне понятие "стравливать", что положительного(выгодного), имела Империя от южных славян..? Напомните из истории...
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 10: 16 New
        +4
        Quote: Son
        what positive (profitable) did the empire have from the southern Slavs ..? Recall from the story ...

        In truth, the southern Slavs needed the empire, like a saddle to a cow. Under the flag of Pan-Slavism, the empire paved its way to Constantinople.
        Unimpeded access to the Mediterranean was needed.
        And what do you think, we disinterestedly love little brothers? laughing
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 April 3 2013 11: 39 New
          +2
          Quote: ATATA
          Under the flag of Pan-Slavism, the empire paved its way to Constantinople.
          Unimpeded access to the Mediterranean was needed.

          You are right. The fight for the straits.
          Here, and economics, and politics, and ideology.
          All in one bottle.
          1. Son
            Son April 3 2013 13: 25 New
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            Duc, where are the straits ..? And, back to the question - what did the Empire have ..?
  9. Region65
    Region65 April 3 2013 07: 48 New
    +3
    да это не только братьев -славян касается, кавказские и азиатские "братья" туда же - Грузия, Абхазия, теперь вот Казахстан, Киргизия и так далее.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 3 2013 09: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Region65
      да это не только братьев -славян касается, кавказские и азиатские "братья" туда же - Грузия, Абхазия, теперь вот Казахстан, Киргизия и так далее.

      No, it’s not worth it to go to the point of absurdity, otherwise you won’t notice how you get to the Moscow-Suzdal Principality.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle April 3 2013 23: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        No, it’s not worth it to go to the point of absurdity, otherwise you won’t notice how you get to the Moscow-Suzdal Principality.

        Now, everything around is bad, only we are good.
    2. avt
      avt April 3 2013 09: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: Region65
      да это не только братьев -славян касается, кавказские и азиатские "братья" туда же - Грузия, Абхазия, теперь вот Казахстан, Киргизия и так далее.

      good laughing Обскакал . А все таки силен Достоевский ! Вот как то мысли о конкретных проблемах меня покруче его художественных произведений цепляют. А уж как он в ,,Бесах" вскрыл сущность революционеров ! Не зря революционеры его не любили , да дрянным старикашкой называли ,а Толстой был их зеркалом революции .
    3. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 April 3 2013 10: 12 New
      +1
      "кавказские и азиатские "братья" туда же -" эти, пусть валят в первую очередь.
  10. DDR
    DDR April 3 2013 07: 48 New
    +1
    Короткая память у "братушек". Они сейчас бы Алах акбар кричали если бы не А.В. Суворов. А и сейчас случись что серьёзное сразу вспомнят о "братушках"
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 3 2013 08: 08 New
      +5
      Quote: DDR
      They would now shout Alah akbar if it weren’t for A.V. Suvoro

      No, they would not shout. They as a nation would even exist.
  11. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 3 2013 08: 11 New
    +1
    Статья интересная, констатирующая только факты. Но опять вопрос, что с этим делать, и как бороться с "братьями" подхалимами. Пора завязывать с этими целовальниками, и "Иванами" добра не помнящих. Ссориться не надо, но и любви беззаветной не обещать. Смотрел на днях фильм, о Коптах переехавших в Россию, из Египта. Не оправдали мы их ожидания, хотя там в Египте при гонениях, можно сказать в любви клянуться, спасите нас от смерти, и прочее кричат. А поработав, и покидав снег, ignorant, and lacking the desire to learn the Russian language, one of these Heroes was sneaking into Europe for free. Hoping for an allowance.
  12. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 3 2013 08: 11 New
    +9
    Something was remembered:
    What are you noisy about, folk-like?
    Why anathema threaten you Russia?
    What angered you? unrest in Lithuania?
    Leave: this is a dispute between the Slavs,
    Home, old dispute, weighted by fate,
    A question that you will not solve.
    For a long time among themselves
    These tribes are at war;
    More than once bowed under a thunderstorm
    Theirs, then our side.
    Who will stand in an unequal dispute:
    Puffy Lyakh, il true Ross?
    Will Slavic streams merge in the Russian sea?
    Will it run dry? here is the question.
    Leave us: you have not read
    These bloody tablets;
    It’s incomprehensible to you, alien to you
    This is a family feud;
    The Kremlin and Prague are silent for you;
    Pointlessly seduces you
    Fights of desperate courage -
    And you hate us ...
    For what? answer: for whether
    What is on the ruins of flaming Moscow
    We did not recognize the brazen will
    Who were you trembling under?
    For the fact that they plunged into the abyss
    We are idol over kingdoms
    And redeemed with our blood
    Europe, freedom, honor and peace? ..
    You are formidable in words - try it in practice!
    Or the old hero, deceased on his bed,
    Unable to screw up your Izmail bayonet?
    Is the Russian tsar already powerless to speak?
    Or should we argue with Europe new?
    Il Russian weaned from victories?
    Or a little of us? Or from Perm to Tauris,
    From the Finnish cold rocks to the flaming Colchis,
    From the shocked Kremlin
    To the walls of immobile China,
    Shiny bristles,
    Will not the Russian land rise? ..
    So send us to us, Vitia,
    His angry sons:
    There is a place for them in the fields of Russia,
    Among the coffins that are not theirs.
    A.S. Pushkin. 1831
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 04 New
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      Quote: ImPerts
      A.S. Pushkin. 1831 g

      Thank you very much!
  13. Per se.
    Per se. April 3 2013 08: 12 New
    +4
    "Вот только стоит ли вляпываться в этот сыр в мышеловке еще раз? И главное ради чего? Ради того, чтобы нас в очередной раз поимели, предали и оставили с носом до следующего раза?", - негодует автор. Причем здесь сыр в мышеловке, есть национальные интересы России, ими и надо руководствоваться, а не эмоциями о любви и дружбе. Так дойдем до того, что ни только православную Южную Европу потеряем, но и Украину. Не надо здесь бездарность в политике оправдывать, при которой из потенциальных друзей получаются враги, а надо учиться даже из врагов делать союзников. Балканы, православные страны, всегда тянулись к России, жили с оглядкой на неё. Это наше стратегически важное пространство, и господа, что призывают обидеться за нашу же несостоятельность, враги России, провокаторы, или, в лучшем случае, - "дункоф".
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 11 New
      0
      Quote: Per se.
      always reached for Russia

      Доки в студию-плиз! Конкретно-временной исторический период назовите.Конкретно-когда без давления были учтены интересы России?Какие оглядки?Они были только в моменты,когда попу пекло.Правильно говорят-ничего не стоит оказанная услуга.Вот точно про наших "братушек".Пока плохо-"Россия,Россия".а отлегло- ивсе забыто и не стоит выеденного яйца..
  14. Igarr
    Igarr April 3 2013 08: 31 New
    10
    Hello to all.
    In general, as in a fairy tale, the king had three sons. Senior, junior and Russian.
    .
    The people, what kind of aggression?
    Remember ... Russia always meets for everyone. Forever generously pours blood. Just like splashing from a bucket.
    And then - quietly, peacefully - leaves. As a result of ..., there ... Congresses of Vienna, Treaties of Paris, agreements of Constantinople.
    Not getting ANYTHING for yourself.
    ..
    I am sure everyone knows how people of this type are called.
    And if the state?
    We got a lot from Afghanistan?
    Hungary 1958, Czechoslovakia 1968 - there was the entire Warsaw Pact. Only Russians are remembered.
    ....
    Досадно, до самой задницы, что Правительства России...всегда нас, рядовых - видят в качестве "пушечного мяса".
    From that would come.
    And we are silent and watching ... Kvachkov, Budanov.
    .
    On the offended ... they put and carry water. On the meek - so too.
    So why admire - that we are so unkempt, knights, mlyn - that we can only be proud of aimlessly spilled blood?
    A chivalrous spirit is good, of course. In a single castle.
    And we live in the WORLD.
    That’s why they don’t love us ... because ... Russia is a knight. For the weak, for the oppressed.
    Only now .... poorly amenable to analysis ... recklessness.
    .
    Prophecy - 600 million dead. Russia now has 148 million people.
    Who will be the rest - 452 million? List, at least in thousands?
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 3 2013 08: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Igarr
      On the offended ... they put and carry water. On the meek - so too.

      Shot the old woman Shapoklyak. Good deeds cannot be made famous. History is a confirmation of this. Do not do good, you will not get evil.
      1. Igarr
        Igarr April 3 2013 09: 23 New
        -1
        Yes, I just mean that
        - если гордимся своим "рыцарским" духом - то гордимся. И ВСЕ!
        And if we start - to be offended by the Slavs - then this is NOT a KNIGHT spirit.
        ....
        Maybe they were counting - the little brothers came, they tumbled down the non-grandmothers, gave Constantinople ...
        Fuck Nana - took it and left it back. Proudly proud of himself. Well, aren’t they fools? They all fooled - both themselves and the little brothers, and not the little brothers. And be friends with such sweat.
        ..
        On yourself .. you need to be offended. For those whom we hold above ourselves.
        Да и Достоевского я не люблю. Был он "Бесом".....
      2. edge
        edge April 3 2013 09: 49 New
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        Do not do good, do not get evil

        these words can be elevated to an absolute relationship, it’s easier for us to talk with enemies than with our own blood ...........
    2. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ April 3 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      The author is a little disingenuous))) Not the people betrayed, the elites betrayed. You just need to see which dynasty rules in Bulgaria and everything will fall into place immediately. Come in 1879 to the Bulgarian throne of the Romanovs, not Battenberg, Bulgaria in World War I would be on the other side of the front .... And the Serbs played from the same opera, do not confuse Milosevic with the Serbian people ... Well, the elites and we have corrupt, what can we do, something attractive is in the West for this public.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA April 3 2013 14: 30 New
        0
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        It was not the people who betrayed, the elites betrayed.

        the people deserve the government that has it.
        1. mnn_13
          mnn_13 April 4 2013 19: 45 New
          0
          people deserve the government that has it

          Yeah ... Boris Nikolaevich was a wonderful ruler! Chose a few times ...
          Mikhail Sergeyevich - the geniuses who manage to restructure the weight of the postwar world order ... Gaidar ... oh, how warm it is in my soul ...
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 18 New
        0
        Quote: EwgenyZ
        to the Bulgarian throne of the Romanovs,

        Well, just a reference stupidity! But you don’t know that Nikolai the Second and Wilhelm were cousins, for example? Yes, and almost all the monarchies were very close relatives .. And what? Did this prevent anyone from fighting with each other? A bunch of Romanov daughters was distributed all over the world and what has changed? .. Well, think at least a bit before writing ...
        1. mnn_13
          mnn_13 April 4 2013 19: 47 New
          0
          Well, think at least a bit before writing ..


          ... and read Ninochka and read ... not everyone reads as much as you ... hi
    3. albert
      albert April 3 2013 21: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Igarr
      Who will be the rest - 452 million?

      If so, it will be the Yankees and the nuggets. lol
    4. Uncle
      Uncle April 3 2013 23: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Igarr
      Prophecy - 600 million dead. Russia now has 148 million people.
      Who will be the rest - 452 million? List, at least in thousands?

      The author did not say that China will take the side of Russia.
  15. Dima67
    Dima67 April 3 2013 08: 33 New
    +2
    I wish you all good health. Yes, drive them all. Siberians and the Far East, let them go, they also spoke of independence. The male guys will be left alone. And a lot of fighting in splendid isolation? The USSR was great and powerful! The same Americans are pulling countries for themselves and they are not stopped by anything. It seems to me that one should not judge so harshly. Thinner is necessary or something, I don’t know. But for those whom we still have authority, they probably should not turn away. One maximum of two generations will change in the same Bulgaria and with such an attitude, they will not remember us at all. I hope everything is in order with Lavrov with advisers !!!
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 April 3 2013 10: 10 New
      0
      Well, where am I wrong? Foreign policy must be conducted differently, so that the same little brothers do not ride on us with dangling legs. And, for example, they fought with the Germans, and the GDR in the Warsaw Pact was our most reliable ally.
      1. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 24 New
        0
        Quote: Dima67
        Foreign policy must be conducted differently

        And YOU are not yet in the Foreign Ministry? Strange ... It just doesn’t know Lavrov that you are. He will recover .... And why the Germans, no matter what, were our allies, take an interest. You will learn a lot of surprising things. The truth is true ...
  16. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer April 3 2013 08: 34 New
    +1
    I completely agree with the author! Once again I am convinced of the truth of the dictum about the allies of Russia - the army and navy! May God give strength to these our allies!
    1. Uncle
      Uncle April 3 2013 23: 39 New
      0
      А что это за звание такое, "прапорщик"? Тут после старшины сразу мл. лейтёху дают.
  17. Avenger711
    Avenger711 April 3 2013 08: 43 New
    -10
    Bulgaria in World War II did not fight with us, already learn history and do not post nonsense. But Serbia just does not cause any pity and very vain from Bulgaria chopped off as a result of Macedonia.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 3 2013 09: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: Avenger711
      Bulgaria in World War II did not fight with us, already learn history and do not post nonsense.

      As for delirium, you wrote it without hesitation without thinking.
      Maybe she didn’t fight directly, but in the bloc of opponents she was in World War I and was now in NATO.
      And it turns out that the one who calls the Bulgarian little brothers, is raving! They are judged not by words about brotherhood but by deeds.
      Bulgarians are always allies of our enemies!
  18. andrejwz
    andrejwz April 3 2013 08: 55 New
    +2
    is it worth it to plunge into this cheese in a mousetrap again?
    Worth it. While Russia is positioning itself as a great power, we will provide assistance and support to the Balkan countries. Recognition, gratitude is a voluntary thing, and if we are bargaining or really can’t, we CAN’t, and don’t want in any situation, to provide this help, then we should not shout that we are a Great Power. This is the fate of the big and strong.
    Вспомнился эпизод из фильма "День сурка", когда герой фильма в сотый раз ловит свалившегося с дерева мальчишку и тот, тут же, убегает, он ворчит ему вслед: "Ты никогда не говоришь мне спасибо".
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 3 2013 10: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: andrejwz
      This is the fate of the big and strong.

      Is it possible without superfluous, fabulous idealism? OK?
      Personally, I do not agree with such a fate. negative
      About 100 Russian lives in the 000th century are not too expensive for your idealism? And forgive me, you minus from the heart. hi
      1. andrejwz
        andrejwz April 3 2013 10: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: ATATA
        Quote: andrejwz
        This is the fate of the big and strong.

        Is it possible without superfluous, fabulous idealism? OK?
        Personally, I do not agree with such a fate. negative
        About 100 Russian lives in the 000th century are not too expensive for your idealism? And forgive me, you minus from the heart. hi

        You Novodvorskaya not a relative? So turn the point and draw an argument from another: are the methods that we apply in the interests of the southern Slavs true?
        Or you will argue that the blow to Yugoslavia was not directed towards Russia, the successor to the USSR, who achieved the right to influence the policy of the Balkans and, in relation to the Balkans, at the cost of 100 Russian lives.
        We want to be heard, reckoned with us? It is worth defending the interests of the Balkan peoples, but the methods and methods already depend on us.
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 3 2013 11: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: andrejwz
          You Novodvorskaya not a relative? So turn the point and draw an argument from another: are the methods that we apply in the interests of the southern Slavs true?

          This seems like nonsense, but I do not insist.

          Quote: andrejwz
          Or you will argue that the blow to Yugoslavia was not directed towards Russia, the successor to the USSR, who achieved the right to influence the policy of the Balkans and, in relation to the Balkans, at the cost of 100 Russian lives.

          And how did we influence, and how did this influence manifest itself? And what did this influence give the Russians?
          Quote: andrejwz
          We want to be heard, reckoned with us? It is worth defending the interests of the Balkan peoples, but the methods and methods already depend on us.

          And I think that it is necessary to defend the interests of our people firmly and consistently, and then they will hear and count, and let those whom they now lick the ass stand for Judas of the Balkans. And if you think that the Western and Eastern Slavs are friends to us, then read the article again, the fragment where Dostoevsky is quoted about these peoples, but if he is not your authority and his prophecies do not make you think, there’s nothing to talk about . hi
          1. andrejwz
            andrejwz April 3 2013 11: 34 New
            0
            Quote: ATATA
            then read the article again, that fragment where Dostoevsky is quoted about these peoples, but if he is not your authority and his prophecies do not make you think,

            Ну, чтож. Мастера не грех перечитывать. Прочитал. Всет так и есть: поддерживая и помогая, не ждите благодарности. Но где там написано, что нужно послать остальные славянские народы лесом? Где там написано, что Россия не имеет и не может иметь политической заинтересованности в том, что и как происходит на Балканах? Где там написано, что русские не должны иметь потребности сопереживать балканским славянам? Где там написано, что мы должны заниматься только собой, а весь мир (пока мы сильнеем) будет находится в режиме "Пауза"?
            1. ATATA
              ATATA April 3 2013 11: 53 New
              0
              Quote: andrejwz
              Но где там написано, что нужно послать остальные славянские народы лесом? Где там написано, что Россия не имеет и не может иметь политической заинтересованности в том, что и как происходит на Балканах? Где там написано, что русские не должны иметь потребности сопереживать балканским славянам? Где там написано, что мы должны заниматься только собой, а весь мир (пока мы сильнеем) будет находится в режиме "Пауза"?

              Do not need so much pathos. Your speech is too pompous. Be more modest and specific. You do not pull on the role of a homegrown savior of Slavs.
              How many more millions of Russians do you want to sacrifice your friendship with your brothers?
              You interpret Dostoevsky on the principle that I like reading, what I’m not thinking of. Dostoevsky did not urge them to save from anyone, so do not add prophecies for him. But to deal with Russia, this is not a sin.
              Moreover, we have a lot of cases.
              1. andrejwz
                andrejwz April 3 2013 13: 21 New
                -3
                Quote: ATATA
                Your speech is too pompous. Be more modest and specific.

                Don’t even have the tail, the booby tail! Well, somewhere like that.
                1. ATATA
                  ATATA April 3 2013 13: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: andrejwz
                  Don’t even have the tail, the booby tail! Well, somewhere like that.

                  Sorry, but i do not understand you.
                  If, these are your last arguments, then I think the argument is over.
      2. Tverichanka
        Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 35 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        You minus from the heart

        And you plus !!!!!!!!!
    2. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 33 New
      0
      Quote: andrejwz
      Worth it. While Russia is positioning itself as a great power, we will provide

      Когда Вы говорите"мы",не расшифруете,кого конкретно имеете в виду?..Не надо тут за всю страну подписываться.Хотите лично оказывать,да на здоровье!Только обычно такие,как Вы на лозунги горазды,а на дело,увы...Уже как-то писала,но повторюсь.Уж больно хорошее выражение-"Чем меньше мы лично готовы к жертве,тем яростнее требуем ее от других".Вы,как я понимаю из их числа? И про удел сильных как-то у Вас натянуто вышло.Или Вы штаты к сильным не причисляете?Или Китай надорвался кровь проливать за чужие интересы?...Вы не политрук случаем?
  19. pensioner
    pensioner April 3 2013 08: 58 New
    +5
    попили чаю с бальзамом и нас торкнуло. Видим такую картину: переговоры путина с президентом ...(ну короче из любой страны о которых идет речь). Путин достает книгу, на обложке которой золотом огромными буквами написано "Достоевский" с закладкой на нужной странице, открывает и зачитывает вешеприведенную цитату Федора Михалыча, а потом говорит "а теперь поговорим.." О как.
    1. IRBIS
      IRBIS April 3 2013 10: 09 New
      0
      Quote: retired
      Путин достает книгу, на обложке которой золотом огромными буквами написано "Достоевский


      Главное, чтобы ниже, еще большими буквами, не было написано: "Неумный человек". (в оригинале название книги не пропускает фильтр, но думаю- понятно)
  20. consul
    consul April 3 2013 09: 22 New
    +5
    at one time, Sergius of Radonezh and other devotees of the Faith were able to introduce into Christianity certain solar meanings of true Vedic Orthodoxy, which even the Nikonian treacherous reform could not completely destroy.
    -no Vedic Orthodoxy existed, and St. Sergius of Radonezh studied and served (as a priest) from books translated from Greek sent from Byzantium. And since the translation subsequently turned out to be erroneous, then (even before the Nikonian reforms) it required correction that and it was done, it was just under Nikon that they began to make reform with the correction of texts rigidly, which caused an increase in discontent and a notorious split. And it is enough to compare the old books before the Nikon reform and those that are now used in the Orthodox Church to see from the absence of even a hint of invented Vedic Orthodoxy. Moreover, a person who does not understand, will not even notice the difference in the texts.
    1. Defender
      Defender April 3 2013 12: 03 New
      +1
      I completely agree with you, consul. It still seems to me that in the name of St. Paisius of Athos and other authoritative saints, someone unscrupulously uses it. The revelations of God, the prophecies do not sound like that when compared with biblical ones. hi
      1. EwgenyZ
        EwgenyZ April 3 2013 13: 55 New
        +1
        Видел я это "пророчество" на Ютубе. Бред и провокация. Очередной "заговор Сионских мудрецов" и "План Даллеса". Автор, вроде, умный человек, а на такую фальшивку повелся.... Кому интересно может посмотреть -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f3B-pqendA.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle April 3 2013 23: 44 New
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          Quote: EwgenyZ
          The author, it seems, is a smart person, but was led to such a fake ..

          The author is a complete ignoramus in Christian matters. As a student who has heard several terms from higher mathematics, he imagines himself to be Lobachevsky.
    2. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ April 3 2013 13: 47 New
      -1
      I agree, the author mixed everything.
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 43 New
      0
      Quote: consul
      And just compare the books

      Have you personally compared? Or rely on what others have written about the comparison? If personally, which sources did you use? Links to church comparisons will not work .... Give an independent source .... Oh, no? What are you saying! !!Wow....
  21. Orik
    Orik April 3 2013 09: 53 New
    +4
    Похоже православие вызывает у автора глубокое омерзение. Нет никакого "ведического православия" у св. Сергия, как нет и не может быть трактования пророчеств или Библии сатанистами и иными "ведистами". Пишется элементарная ложь "Русские в конечном итоге выиграют, и город попадет к ним в руки. Тогда мы получим его обратно. Они должны отдать его нам" в авторской редакции и сравните у Паисия Святогорца "В Константинополе произойдет великая война между русскими и европейцами, и прольется много крови. Греция не будет играть первенствующую роль в этой войне, но ей отдадут Константинополь, не потому, что перед нами будут благоговеть русские, но потому, что не найдется лучшего решения, и договорятся совместно с Грецией, причем на них будут давить трудные обстоятельства." Смысл абсолютно разный! Будут давить трудные обстоятельства.
    For the southern Slavs and Bulgarians, I partially agree. Only here we need to figure out who conducted the anti-Russian policy, those holding power or the people. For example, who dragged Bulgaria into World War I on the side of Germany? Ferdinand I Maximilian Karl Maria Saxe-Coburg-Gotha king of Bulgaria, German and Austrian Field Marshal! His son is already dragging the Bulgarians into the war on the side of the Nazis. Russia could not always insist on its own in international politics. Let the author teach history, and not throw words.
    1. EwgenyZ
      EwgenyZ April 3 2013 14: 09 New
      +3
      Абсолютно с Вами согласен, автор "немного" не прав и в отношении братских народов и в отношении православия.
    2. Uncle
      Uncle April 3 2013 23: 45 New
      +1
      Quote: Orik
      Orthodoxy seems to cause the author a deep loathing.

      And we are his Orthodox Cross!
    3. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 49 New
      0
      Quote: Orik
      Let the author teach history

      Then let me give you similar advice. You do not know the story so much as you interpret it. Be consistent.
      1. Orik
        Orik April 4 2013 10: 12 New
        0
        Show baby what am I wrong? Examples in the studio.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac April 4 2013 13: 52 New
          0
          Quote: Orik
          Show baby what am I wrong? Examples in the studio.

          Grandpa, get out of the studio, chat with people, maybe learn the basics, regardless of the truth.
      2. mnn_13
        mnn_13 April 4 2013 19: 58 New
        0
        You do not know history so much as you interpret it

        Ninochka, historical facts and facts. The fact that dear Ferdinand was a Bulgarian monarch is a fact and not an interpretation. And how did you get it so that such a person and not Russian life on the Bulgarian throne is a very interesting and instructive story. Read and learn more sweetheart ... the future is before you hi
  22. Algor73
    Algor73 April 3 2013 10: 07 New
    0
    Something always united nations. And even if the Russian soldier restored order, he was a stranger - first of all, culture is not the same, faith is not that, mentality is not that, etc.
  23. lubin
    lubin April 3 2013 11: 47 New
    +4
    In my opinion, there has been a global substitution of values. This is especially experienced recently. Profit has become a religion. We began to forget everything that our ancestors taught us, one of them (do not do to the other what you do not want to receive yourself). And the recipe is simple, look around and you will understand everything. But if there is still enough strength not only to understand, but also to help others to the best of their strengths .... And then RUSSIA will flourish and gain such strength that many will not be on their own ...
    1. Tverichanka
      Tverichanka April 4 2013 04: 52 New
      0
      Quote: lubin
      forget all that our ancestors taught us, one of them (do not do to the other what you do not want to receive yourself). And the recipe is simple, look around and you will understand everything

      Have you already looked back? And what did you understand? And where can your simple recipes be applied at the international level? .. City of the Sun, how did you try to build Campanella?
      1. mnn_13
        mnn_13 April 4 2013 20: 42 New
        0
        And where can your simple recipes be applied internationally?

        We are waiting for Ninochka that you invented something ...
  24. andrey777
    andrey777 April 3 2013 12: 11 New
    +1
    Serbia was punished by separating Kosovo, and it seeks to the European Union, so where is self-esteem
    1. lubin
      lubin April 3 2013 13: 36 New
      -1
      Russia could help them, but the trouble itself hurt, And the Serbs, like offended children, no longer look in our direction. Sick. We are gaining strength and will help our neighbors if they need our help.
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 April 3 2013 17: 14 New
        +1
        "Друг познается в беде". Разве не знал? Ну, и нах... ТАКИЕ друзья? Финны, кстати, все это время вели себя вполне "цивильно". Даже с прокладкой "Северного потока" подмахнули не слабо. Хотя обижаться у них оснований ого-го как поболее. В самый раз, когда Россия была реально на коленях, и просвета не было видно, говн набросать на вентилятор могли лопатами. За что? Да за советско-финскую войну. Тогда мы им вломили, дали дрындюлей, отвесили люлей, и вообще обидели не по детски. К марту 1940 г. финская армия реально закончилась. Не описка. Именно армия закончилась. Легли защитники отечества в стылую родную землю. Тыловики да впомогательные части остались. А пехота закончилась. Вот, казалось-бы, момент все и припомнить.
        И в НАТО их нет. А "братушки"? Некоторые знакомые язвят. Северо-западный военный округ России. Может действительно: " В каждой шутке есть доля шутки".
  25. The cat
    The cat April 3 2013 13: 04 New
    -4
    the meanings of true Vedic Orthodoxy

    What is this?
    Mutated PGM strain?
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus April 3 2013 13: 25 New
    +2
    Yes, in general, all the Balkans and the Baltic states are like two prostitutes. Those who are stronger lie under that. But we ourselves need to gain strength so that they fall under us on our terms, and not against loans that we regularly forgive.
  27. Romn
    Romn April 3 2013 13: 27 New
    +1
    Another country that wants to serve the West, at a loss to itself. There is no lesson for them, one must be friends with Russia ...
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 April 3 2013 16: 54 New
      +2
      А НАМ нужна ИХ "дружба"?
  28. Hort
    Hort April 3 2013 14: 21 New
    +5
    помню, задал одной болгарской барышне вопрос в панславянской группе - почему болгары две войны против нас воевали (хотя воевали - это громко сказано, но всё ж таки в составе сил противника находились) и почему, если они такие наши братушки, они в НАТО сейчас? В ответ ничего вразумительного, кроме оскорблений и отсылок "учить историю" (какую вот только, вопрос) не получил.
    А по поводу предсказания у меня вполне логичный вопрос возникает: а с какого перепугу мы должны будем отдавать завоёванный НАМИ город, за который мы положим энное количество жизней НАШИХ солдат?! Особенно, если учесть тот момент, что Греция сейчас в составе НАТО, а, следовательно, потом тоже будет в какой-нибудь "общеевропейской" организации, но не с нами - факт. Опять же, нам проливы нужнее, чем грекам (особенно, если вспомнить о подавляющем проценте российских туристов на юге Турции=))).
    А первая часть предсказания напомнило одну поговорку, вроде Святославу приписываемую - "нет воинов, слабее греков и нет рабов, преданнее греков".
    1. htpm100
      htpm100 April 4 2013 01: 02 New
      0
      ну вы уважаемыи загнули("нет воинов, слабее греков и нет рабов, преданнее греков".) не знаю про какого святослава вы говорите (простите за не знание),но это выражение абсолютно не соответствует реальности.эллины из покон веков славились стойкостью и героизмом начиная античной спартой заканчивая 2 мировой где греки одни из первых дали достойный отпор превосходящим силам сначала итальянцев а потом и немцев.
  29. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 3 2013 15: 15 New
    +3
    I think it is necessary to send, relatives, away. They’ll crawl for 10-15 years. They don’t shine anything from them except hemorrhoids. And they constantly need something from us. Either the Turks seized them, the Germans or the Albanians, and what do we do? They swept their countries for a eurozone passport, and then they asked for help. Horseradish them all the way and not Konstatinopol. It is better to leave the radioactive ruins than give the parasites. And in Russia, it is true that paganism adopted and produced an alloy of Russian Orthodoxy.
  30. sergius60
    sergius60 April 3 2013 16: 48 New
    0
    Статья на этом-же сайте:"Лицо русской национальности, или крах популярной расологии" . IF это подтвердится, тогда все непонятки с "братушками" получат объяснение. Ссылка: http://topwar.ru/26169-lico-russkoy-nacionalnosti-ili-krah-populyarnoy-rasologii
    .html
    1. ATATA
      ATATA April 3 2013 17: 08 New
      0
      Quote: sergius60
      ЕСЛИ это подтвердится, тогда все непонятки с "братушками" получат объяснение.

      What exactly do you expect confirmation?
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 April 3 2013 17: 21 New
        0
        Научного, проверенного в дискуссиях, подтвержденного повторными и другими экспериментами материала, изложенного в статье :"Лицо русской национальности, или крах популярной расологии". Ибо сказано: "Кто на что учился". Мое мнение в вопросах генетики может быть только ДУРАЦКИМ. hi
        1. ATATA
          ATATA April 3 2013 17: 34 New
          0
          Quote: sergius60
          Научного, проверенного в дискуссиях, подтвержденного повторными и другими экспериментами материала, изложенного в статье :"Лицо русской национальности, или крах популярной расологии".

          On the fence, and not so write. You too will immediately believe in it and will be like a buffoon with this news everywhere to rush about?
          What facts?
          I know of another study and it is clickable in Google, unlike "исследования" in the article. lol
  31. deman73
    deman73 April 3 2013 17: 18 New
    +2
    We don’t owe anyone or anything - we owe a lot of things to it for sure, and all Slavic little brothers need us only when they need to shed blood for them or for any other selfish interests
  32. Varog
    Varog April 3 2013 17: 39 New
    +2
    And do not mind me, do not dispute, do not shout at me that I am exaggerating and that I am a hater of the Slavs! On the contrary, I love the Slavs very much, but I won’t defend myself either, because I know that everything will come true just like that, as I say, and not because of the low, ungrateful, as if, character of the Slavs - they have a character in this sense, like everyone else, namely because such things in the world cannot happen otherwise.


    IMHO, nonsense. Paranoia. I have already met allegations that FM had a headache in real life, but this is a clinic.
    It is depressing that these fantasies are perceived by the public as undeniable evidence and a fait accompli.
    In general, I am shocked at how recently such frankly chauvinistic and anti-Slavic materials have come to post here. In the end, this is nothing more than inciting ethnic hatred, and this is an article of the Criminal Code!
    Still shocking me, without a drop of irony, why did Great Russia so frown on little Bulgaria? After all, be the last even the most fierce enemy of Russia-it’s like an elephant's pellet.
    And I will not get involved in the argument. The only call to reason!
    1. Bww
      Bww April 3 2013 19: 53 New
      +1
      And what? Fedor Mikhailovich, in fact, was greatly mistaken?
    2. Corsair
      Corsair April 4 2013 06: 07 New
      0
      Quote: Varog
      . The only call to reason!
      Here is, and also to caution in relations with the brothers-Slavs.
    3. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 20: 15 New
      0
      Still shocking me, without a drop of irony, why did Great Russia so frown on little Bulgaria?

      Не говорите о Россию, это просто форумное войнство из молодой гвардии. Хотят повоеват с кем нибуд а Болгария и болагров удобны и безопасны спаринг партнер. С больших пацанов дела опасные... Эсли посмотрите внимательно самые ярые "враги" это люди менше 30 и даже 25. Учили историю в златны век Ельцинских реформ.
      I am sure that est and people who earn money to litter peoples. This is a delicate and professional job. Here Ninochka and Sertac will not cope ...
  33. Varog
    Varog April 3 2013 18: 05 New
    +1
    Russia needs to seriously prepare for the fact that all these liberated Slavs will rush into Europe with ecstasy, before losing their personality will become infected with European forms, political and social, and thus will have to go through a long and long period of Europeanism before comprehending anything in its Slavic meaning and its special Slavic vocation among the humanity.
    .
    .

    Needless to say, the topic is fully and comprehensively disclosed and for more than a hundred years its interpretation has not lost its relevance at all.

    I drew attention to this topic when the events in Cyprus began.


    В огороде бузина, а в Киеве дядька. С какого боку тут Кипр и бредсказания Паисия Афонского? Ясно, что Кипр и Греция суть только туристические дестинации для новых русских и убежище для черного нала. Тут нет никаких сентиментов, только бизнес и деньги. При том, это ни разу не славянские народы, а скорее малоазиатские, судя по внешности людей. Но, деньги (и люди, которые их отдают) не пахнут. "Не верю" (с) Станиславский
  34. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola April 3 2013 19: 41 New
    +6
    Quote: hort
    кроме оскорблений и отсылок "учить историю" (какую вот только, вопрос) не получил.

    Абсолютно с Вами согласен! С этой отсылкой-отмазкой, сталкивался не раз! Призыв "учить историю", уже становиться "дежурным припевом" во всех диспутах, когда оппоненту нечего ответить! Хотя, честно говоря, не совсем понятно при чем знание истории? Ведь, для того чтобы назвать "кошку" "кошкой", совсем не обязательно знать историю, ну к примеру государства Буркина-Фасо. Абсолютно не понятно, с какого бока знание истории может объяснить вступление Болгарии в НАТО! Теперь, когда поднялись цены на электро-энергию в Болгарии, народ единым фронтом поднялся, отстаивать свое кровное, и таки добился, на хотя бы отставки правительства. А, вот когда, под барабанную дробь и фанфары, в Брюсселе торжественно принимали Болгарию в НАТО, чего-то подобных народных выступлений, как-то не припомню! Не припоминаю болгарского политического деятеля, который бы публично выступил с протестом: - "Вы, что там, охренели! Вступать во враждебную России организацию? Это, что-же супротив наших братьев-славян, проливавших свою кровь за нашу свободу?!...Да никогда в жизни! Не бывать этому!"...
    Ну, а нам, россиянам, только и остается верить в искренние чувства "братушек", и молить Бога, чтобы из Брюсселя не последовал очередной приказ "Дранг нах Остен". Дай-то Бог ошибиться, но сдается мне, что на такой приказ, "братушки", привычно щелкнут каблуками и так-же привычно скажут: "Яволь герр Расмусен!"... При чем в душе, конечно же, они будут очень страдать и мучится... а, куда денешься - "Бефель цу бефель"...
  35. darksoul
    darksoul April 3 2013 21: 53 New
    +3
    History is being rewritten ....... for Eastern Europeans, for some of the Slavic brothers we are acupants. For Georgians, the acupuncturers ... forgot how we protected them from the Turks when they were fucked in all the cracks .... whether. I met an article in which it turns out that the Yankees won the war, a friend, a younger brother in his first year, who told me that the war began with the Germans in 66 .... there is no need to go far ... the story is already changing .... Fursenko, greetings to Levanov. .... I hope with Berezovsky and Yeltsin they will be spinning there on one skewer
  36. Uncle
    Uncle April 3 2013 23: 47 New
    +1
    Почему форумчане против помощи Болгарии, но за помощь Сирии? Или персы наши "лепшие кореша"?
    1. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 40 New
      +1
      1. Syria is an independent state. Bulgaria is not an independent state. Now she is a province and the American ambassador is the governor general.
      2. When in seme divorce, the closest ones turn into the most hated. Feelings are very strong.
  37. mnn_13
    mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 24 New
    0
    yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
  38. mnn_13
    mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 33 New
    +1
    yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
  39. mnn_13
    mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 36 New
    +1
    yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
  40. mnn_13
    mnn_13 April 4 2013 01: 41 New
    +2
    yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..
  41. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 4 2013 02: 12 New
    +1
    Quote: mnn_13
    yes, southern peoples often forget that it was the Russian soldier who saved them from the Turkish yoke ..

    About that and talk. Moreover, something really painful often and at the most unnecessary moment! yes
    Quote: mnn_13
    1. Syria is an independent state. Bulgaria is not an independent state. Now she is a province and the American ambassador is the governor general.
    2. When in seme divorce, the closest ones turn into the most hated. Feelings are very strong.

    I agree with that. But still insulting. negative
    1. mnn_13
      mnn_13 April 4 2013 02: 19 New
      0
      But still insulting.

      Everyone should try to look at their mistakes. This is the only way to get out of the impasse. Accusations of each other bring nothing ...
  42. mnn_13
    mnn_13 April 4 2013 02: 52 New
    +1
    "Brother-Bulgarians" fought against us in both World?

    Yes, here they call for the study of history does not make sense. Perhaps this is something more than historical illiteracy.
    When young Japanese say that the USSR threw atomic bombs every normal Russians would be indignant and quite rightly ...
    When they put on the same level the battles in North Africa and the Kursk Bulge in the context of the utter defeat of Germany, every literate and unformed person must be outraged (not only Russian ...).
    The monstrous propaganda falsifications of history, right?
    At the same time, the author says that Bulgaria fought against the USSR in WWII and no one resents this monstrous falsification of history.
    The emphasis is hysterically and relentlessly that Bulgaria was delivering German food.
    Nobody wants to put emphasis on the fact that:
    -Bulgaria gave food and Soviet troops
    - Tens of thousands of Bulgarian soldiers died fighting on the side of the USSR and the bringing of the Bulgarian army was highly appreciated by the Soviet headquarters.
    - As a recognition of the bringing of Bulgaria, the Bulgarian commander participated in the victory parade
    - Not a single Soviet soldier died on the territory of Bulgaria
    No one wants to notice. But scientific feats are being made to establish that several hundred, approximately 700 volunteers participated in the SS on the side of Germany. And no one even wants to say a word about Bulgarian volunteers on the side of the USSR about Bulgarian intelligence, etc ....
    What is happening ...? Ignorance or mass and deliberate falsification of history?
    A statue is a big minus. I do this for the first time ... When pisat took responsibility, I need more knowledge. In this case, about the story ...
    Призыв "учить историю", уже становиться "дежурным припевом" во всех диспутах, когда оппоненту нечего ответить!

    ... or when the opponent has an on-duty lack of knowledge of history and repeats a thousand times that 2 + 2 = 6
    Well, it’s good that Est will answer me, but if they taught and knew history, then there would be many disputes. When you lack knowledge, disputes fail.
    1. Hort
      Hort April 4 2013 12: 44 New
      0
      Well, let's say we lost sight of the fact that Bulgarian volunteers fought as part of the Red Army, and monuments with churches are standing. But WHY NOW Bulgaria in NATO ??? Okay, the Warsaw block has sunk into oblivion, the USSR has collapsed, well, they would have remained neutral, like the Finns, for example.
      1. mnn_13
        mnn_13 April 4 2013 20: 23 New
        0
        We are not Finns. The destruction of the state was in progress. We watched what happened with Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia? The Turks were ready to attack since now they are doing it in Syria ...
        The KGB and the CIA worked shoulder to shoulder against the ruling Russophile elites. How do you know this?
  43. dentitov
    dentitov April 4 2013 04: 38 New
    -3
    Bulgarians are old whores who sold us in 2 world wars. And now they are really selling.
    In World War II, only the Greeks and Serbs did not fight against us. But this does not mean that for them you need to climb into this mess. Let them try to fight for themselves.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac April 4 2013 14: 17 New
      0
      Quote: dentitov

      Bulgarians are old whores who sold us in 2 world wars. And now they are really selling.
      In World War II, only the Greeks and Serbs did not fight against us. But this does not mean that for them you need to climb into this mess. Let them try to fight for themselves.

      Я все понимаю, Вы почти умный и почти образованный человек, и слова вроде "шлюха" глубоко обогащают Ваш словарный запас, но тем не менее, ведите себя прилично. Заранее спасибо за понимание.
      This does not justify Bulgaria.
      1. mnn_13
        mnn_13 April 4 2013 20: 31 New
        0
        This does not justify Bulgaria.

        Do you know Russian? This is not about Bulgaria but about the Bulgarians ... the culture of dialogue has reached remarkable heights ... hi
  44. vlad.1924
    vlad.1924 April 4 2013 05: 56 New
    0
    Очень достоверный исторический анализ, и , действительно, в большой политике не должно быть синтементальностей по отношению ни к одному народу в том числе и "братскому" ...Некотрые силы "рулящие нашим миром" используют эти слабости славян в своих целях, надеюсь об этом знают аналитики нашего Российского президента....