Russian Army Needs New ARV

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Russian Army Needs New ARV


The experience of the SVO is invaluable


It is too early to sum up the results of the special military operation in Ukraine, but preliminary conclusions can already be made. Concerning the failure of military equipment and its subsequent evacuation, they are of interest. In the specialized journal "Science and Military Security", authors from the Military Academy of Logistics named after General of the Army A. V. Khrulyov cite data that only a quarter of weapons, military and special equipment fails due to combat damage. 75 percent of evacuations to the rear are related to technical malfunctions. Quote from the authors:



“Of these, the share of failures due to operational reasons for armored vehicles is 60% (engine – 32%, transmission – 22%), for automotive equipment – ​​80% (engine – 48%, transmission – 38%)”
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The available evacuation equipment is literally working to the point of exhaustion - tracked evacuators travel up to 150 kilometers per day, and wheeled ones - 350-570 kilometers per day. All this leads to the premature failure of the evacuation equipment itself, which is fraught with quite understandable consequences. The shortage of evacuation equipment on the fronts of the North Military District has developed in the conditions of a fairly stable line of combat contact. And also in a situation where heavy equipment mainly does not participate in assaults.

A natural question arises: what will happen if there is a large-scale offensive? The authors of Science and Military Security give an example of the number of evacuation vehicles in a motorized rifle brigade, which has only 11 BREM units. This is, on average, several dozen tanks and BMP. Perhaps in peacetime such a number of tow trucks would be enough, but not in the conditions of a large-scale military conflict.


BREM-L on SVO

For reference: at the tactical level, the SVO employs four types of evacuation and repair vehicles: BREM-1(M), BREM-L, BREM-K, and REM-KL. The latter vehicle is not even conditionally armored. It is this vehicle that is “tasked with the task of transporting weapons, military, and special equipment during regrouping and transferring them to the unit’s repair and recovery units.”

What does this mean? Firstly, such a wide range of equipment, especially light BREMs, is not needed by repair units. For example, the BREM-L based on the BMP-3. The vehicle is good, reliable and modern, but it is not capable of pulling a damaged tank off the battlefield. Or pulling it out of clay. Considering the overload of combat equipment with additional armor and other improvements, the effective evacuation of even its relatives - IFVs, APCs and BMDs - is highly questionable. At the same time, the cost of the BREM-L is not fundamentally lower than the BREM-1(M) tank evacuator.

The situation is even worse with the BREM-K, built on the basis of an armored personnel carrier. Perhaps the only advantage of the vehicle is its wheeled chassis and the associated high mobility and resourcefulness. The authors from the MTO Academy quite rightly turn to foreign experience, according to which "the use of a single platform not only simplifies and reduces the costs of producing armored repair and recovery vehicles (BREM) by increasing the degree of unification, but also improves the organization of maintenance of armored vehicles both in peacetime and in combat conditions." A thesis that is very difficult to argue with.






BREM-1 on the SVO

A preliminary conclusion based on all of the above can be considered an urgent need to increase the number of BREMs at the fronts with a simultaneous reduction in diversity. A single heavy recovery vehicle is needed, and a vehicle based on the T-72, which we know as the BREM-1(M), will be of little help here.

Simpler and more powerful


The equipment of modern armed conflict inevitably becomes heavier. Even if this was not initially intended by the engineers. The threat drones forces vehicles to be loaded with hundreds, if not tons, of kilograms of additional iron. But even without this, a modern Russian tank weighs a lot. The T-90M already weighs 48 tons, while its ancestor, the T-72, started with 41 tons. It seems like a small amount – only 7 tons, but this is an increase of 17 percent.

The basic BREM-1 vehicle is quite sufficient for repair work, but is already weak for evacuating heavy equipment in difficult road and soil conditions. A temporary solution was an improved version of the BREM-1M with a high winch traction force, a forced engine and a reinforced crane unit. But the M version also showed the complete exhaustion of the platform's modernization potential. Some of the readers will probably remember the promising T-16 BREM, which was developed for noticeably heavier Russian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles. The vehicle, at a minimum, is not inferior to Western vehicles, and in some respects surpasses foreigners. For example, protection, maneuverability and a crane-manipulator are beyond competition.


BREM T-16

The T-16 has one problem – it has never been seen in the troops. If there were still some rumors about the "Armata" in the SVO, then everyone forgot about the promising BREM. Meanwhile, without such heavy "Armata" tow trucks in the SVO, it is impossible, even if they were present in the Russian army in the required number. You can fantasize a lot about the T-16, but the tow truck is not ideal. In addition to the high cost, it is redundant.

The fact is that during a special operation, the ARV is practically never used for repair purposes. At the front, it is exclusively a recovery vehicle. The crews simply have no time to do repairs – the ARV is not even enough to move broken equipment to the rear. What kind of repair work can we talk about here? Therefore, the appearance of the ideal BEM (armored recovery vehicle) is deprived of a crane-manipulator and other repair equipment. Instead, the equipment requires a much more powerful winch.

An example is the American M88A2 Hercules BREM, which has a traction force on the main winch that is more than twice as large as its Russian counterparts. Despite its excess weight, the Hercules can evacuate heavy tanks without deploying pulley blocks, which the BREM-1M cannot do without. The mechanized coupling of the evacuation vehicle will be in demand, although very difficult to implement. This device allows for securing broken-down equipment without the crew leaving the armored space. On the prospective T-16, the mechanized coupling was implemented in metal.






BREM-1M are heading to the front

The gentleman's kit of a modern BREM must also include a reconnaissance drone, as well as an effective rear view system. The latter solution will allow a disabled tank to be evacuated from a dangerous area in reverse. The 1000-horsepower engine, which is currently mounted on the BREM-1M (the heaviest serial tow truck of the Russian Army), is also insufficient. The tow truck must be equipped with at least a diesel engine from a T-90M with a capacity of 1130 hp.

The experience of the special military operation has turned many foundations of the Army upside down, and the military-technical service is no exception. One of the components of strengthening the Russian Armed Forces should be the saturation of combat formations with modern evacuation equipment in the required quantity. Military conflicts will not be exhausted in the SVO, and it is very desirable not to step on the same rake in the future.
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  1. -36
    April 6 2025 05: 08
    Considering the doubtfulness of the principle of using tanks in modern conditions, the use of BREMs is also doubtful in principle. Yes
    1. +3
      April 6 2025 14: 13
      Not the tank as a class, but its image, which was formed back in the First World War. A hundred years have passed and the evolution of the tank, as it seems, has exhausted itself, the time has come for revolutionary changes. And as such, a heavily armored universal vehicle has a place on the modern battlefield.
      1. -1
        April 6 2025 15: 33
        The time for revolutionary changes came more than 20 years ago. And in Modern Warfare (MW) there is no battlefield. There is a combat area or a positional area. Now someone will short-circuit and angry condemnations will begin. While the General Staff of the Armed Forces has no concept of MW and Modern Combat (MC), the concept of a modern tank will not be born. I will say something more seditious. The Russian Armed Forces do not have an approved and accepted concept for the use of even UAVs in MC. And how can you accept the concept of using any weapon in combat if there is no concept of MC. So far we only have folk art on the front lines, which the generals are trying to develop. Are they really that stupid?! By the way, the main feature of MC is the detection of an enemy at a distance and its destruction in real time using external target designation and modern models of equipment with precision ammunition. Once again, in real time. Which is fantasy for the Russian Armed Forces. It is especially depressing that all the requirements and descriptions of the SB are described in quite detail in the Military Doctrine of the Russian Federation of 2014, which no one has read!
      2. +2
        April 6 2025 16: 46
        Not the tank as a class, but its image, which was formed back in the First World War. A hundred years have passed and the evolution of the tank, as it seems, has exhausted itself, the time has come for revolutionary changes. And as such, a heavily armored universal vehicle has a place on the modern battlefield.

        Yes, any car larger than a Niva. And even then... negative

        Discussing how many engines to put on an ARV, 1 or 2, as they do below, is like discussing how many masts to put on sailing ships in the era of battleships. wink
  2. -8
    April 6 2025 05: 34
    In principle, the experience of the SVO shows how many ARVs are needed. All this fits into specific figures, and the choice of what platform to make them on. Another question is how many light, medium and heavy ARVs are needed. And what weapons are needed to protect against UAVs. It is also necessary to decide that each ARV is equipped with its own semi-trailer, with a driver who is part of the ARV crew or calculation, for quick delivery to the LBS. The tractor itself can be any vehicle capable of pulling a semi-trailer with an ARV.
    Any tank repair plant, and in principle, an auto repair plant with the appropriate equipment, will be suitable for increasing the number of ARVs.
    If 1000 hp is not enough, then if you increase the hp, you need to immediately install a 1500-2000 hp engine. And think about installing a traction winch with a towing cable length of at least 500 meters for the safety of the ARV.
    1. +15
      April 6 2025 05: 56
      "then you need to install a 1500-2000 hp engine right away."
      Let me ask you where to get such engines? We don't even have them for tanks now.
      1. -24
        April 6 2025 06: 00
        We can install two of 1000 hp each. We have experience with this. BTR-60,70.
        1. +8
          April 6 2025 06: 03
          On the APC this was the original layout, the dimensions are completely different, if this was the solution, it would have been done long ago
          1. -19
            April 6 2025 06: 10
            The dimensions of the BTR-70 and BREM-1 in width, height and length are almost the same, so this is not a problem.
            1. +15
              April 6 2025 06: 31
              Quote: V.
              The dimensions of the BTR-70 and BREM-1 in width, height and length are almost the same, so this is not a problem.

              The problem is the engine size. A tank engine with 1000 hp and a car engine with 120 are, to put it mildly, not equal.
              1. 0
                April 6 2025 06: 36
                But, on the other hand, in the Russian Federation, diesel engines of 500-700 hp have been developed. They can be installed.
                1. +9
                  April 6 2025 15: 22
                  The BREM-80U armored repair and recovery vehicle is in service. It is based on the T-80U tank, has a 1200 hp turbine, which, by the way, does not stall under overloads.
                  1. 0
                    April 7 2025 09: 51
                    But it is unlikely that the ARV should have a turbine. The ARV has different tasks from a tank and the resource should be high. And the efficiency is higher.
              2. +12
                April 6 2025 08: 24
                The problem is the engine size.

                The biggest problem with twin installations of any engines is the need to install a gearbox, the complexity of controlling such units, the need to synchronize the operation of the engines, and the cherry on the cake - it's expensive!
        2. 0
          April 6 2025 14: 24
          Even if we omit all the technical difficulties with dimensions, synchronization and layout, this is R&D for years and a lot of money. Why make a fuss if in this size there are Western diesel engines with 1500 and 1800 hp - it means that the development of technologies allows this to be done. And we have already been sawing an X-shaped engine for Armata with such characteristics. It is more expedient to force the results in this direction. As a temporary measure, we can consider the use of a gas turbine engine from the 80-ka.
          1. +2
            April 6 2025 21: 51
            Quote: tima_ga
            Even if we omit all the technical difficulties with dimensions, synchronization and layout, this is R&D for years and a lot of money. Why make a fuss if in this size there are Western diesel engines with 1500 and 1800 hp - it means that the development of technologies allows this to be done. And we have already been sawing an X-shaped engine for Armata with such characteristics. It is more expedient to force the results in this direction. As a temporary measure, we can consider the use of a gas turbine engine from the 80-ka.

            Guys, I still don't get it. Is it so hard to copy, for example, a Leopard engine? And don't talk to me about copyright. It's high time to forget about all Western copyright. And it's not that hard to make electronics for it. Someone just has to say WE MUST. Remember, for example, the Tu-4 and B-29! Was it easier then to copy an entire airplane, and all its dimensions in inches? Or, for example, copying the remote control of gun turrets in the absence of the original element base, or a triple star for engines? Not to mention that a considerable part of the materials and technologies in the USSR simply did not exist back then!!!
            1. +1
              April 7 2025 09: 58
              There are technical requirements and there are military requirements. On Kamaz, for K5 6c inline 13l with Euro 0 or 2 up to 750hp. YaMZ 770 B12 new for 24l - 1200hp. Our tank diesel for 1180hp - 38l volume.
              Apparently, some reserves have appeared.
      2. -3
        April 6 2025 06: 32
        Quote: Polyssenator
        Let me ask you where to get such engines? We don't even have them for tanks now.

        How many Abrams were shot down there?
        On tanks "Abrams" will install diesel power in 1630 hp
        https://topwar.ru/35855-na-tanki-abrams-ustanovyat-dizel-moschnostyu-v-1630-ls.html?ysclid=m9532o9v2l594187196
        During this time, with the help of AI, it has long been possible to create “something”...
        * * *
        IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY INTERESTED IN CREATION? Or is the country completely mired in a consumer society...
        1. +5
          April 6 2025 08: 53
          What kind of rally is this? What does Abrams have to do with it?
          1. +3
            April 6 2025 10: 41
            Well, then it is necessary to insert flood into the discussion of the technique and methods of its application :)
        2. -2
          April 6 2025 12: 44
          Quote: yuriy55
          On tanks "Abrams" will install diesel power in 1630 hp

          Quote: yuriy55
          IS THERE ANYONE IN THE COUNTRY INTERESTED IN CREATION? Or is the country completely mired in a consumer society...

          In China, everything are interested in creation - but not everything works out for them either. And for us never they weren't particularly good at engines
      3. -12
        April 6 2025 06: 45
        The T-14 "Armata" was given a 1500 hp tank engine. So we have everything. Both 1100 and 1300 hp (the latest modification of the T-90)
        1. +10
          April 6 2025 08: 53
          The T-14 "Armata" was equipped with a 1500 hp tank engine.
          - is its engine life known?
          1. -9
            April 6 2025 09: 02
            Well, no less than our previous engines, otherwise it would not have been accepted into service.
            1. +8
              April 6 2025 09: 07
              those. he is unknown to you.....
              1. -12
                April 6 2025 09: 19
                Why do you need it? To report to NATO?
            2. +6
              April 6 2025 09: 39
              otherwise it would not have been adopted

              And when did they manage to adopt it into service?
              1. -13
                April 6 2025 09: 43
                Did you see it at the parade in Moscow? That's when they accepted it. And the SVO tested it. Like any new technology, it has its teething problems. And they are being eliminated.
                1. +7
                  April 6 2025 10: 06
                  Did you see it at the parade in Moscow? That's when they accepted it. And the SVO tested it

                  What nonsense...
                  "Parades are parades. War is war. These are completely different things. The Armata tank is a new tank, he hasn't been fully tested yet»
                  © Deputy Chairman of the Security Council of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev (http://https://ria.ru/20240222/armata-1928967848.html).
                  And let me remind you, if you are suddenly not aware, that the adoption of a model of military and special equipment into service is possible only after the completion of its state tests with a positive result and the approval of the design documentation for the organization of serial (industrial) production (i.e. assigning it the so-called letter "O1"). Personally, I have no doubt that our Ministry of Defense would certainly inform the public about such an event. But nothing more has been heard about the T-14 after a brief stream of contradictory reports in February-March 2024 (including Chemezov's famous statement that it was "too expensive")...
                  1. 0
                    April 8 2025 10: 44
                    Quote: Bogalex
                    After a brief flurry of conflicting reports in February-March 14 (including Chemezov's famous "too expensive" comment), nothing more has been heard about the T-2024...

                    Well, this is still about the tank itself (I never liked it myself), but about such components as the engine, final drives, chassis, they may well be in demand. There were rumors that for the new modification of the T-80 (its production with a new turret is being prepared) two types of engines are being considered - a 1500 hp turbine and a diesel "X" from the "Armata". It is considered as a tank of maximum capabilities - more expensive and advanced than the T-90M.
                    Our Army really needs a new ARV, because it is necessary to evacuate not only Soviet-made equipment, but also Western ones. And Western tanks are heavy. And ours are gaining weight.
          2. +3
            April 6 2025 15: 36
            Quote: faiver
            The T-14 "Armata" was equipped with a 1500 hp tank engine.
            - is its engine life known?
            On object 195 (T-95) this transmission on one of the objects rolled more than 12000 km, and completely passed all acceptance committees. On T-14 there is the same transmission with the same engine.
            By the way, half of this engine is installed on the BMD (2V-06-2)
        2. +4
          April 6 2025 09: 04
          The engine for the Armata was never fully developed, there is no serial production, so there is no point in talking about it at the moment
          1. -11
            April 6 2025 09: 25
            How do you know this? Do you work in the Ministry of Defense or at the manufacturing plant? As far as I understand, everything about Armata is still classified, and information is given out in measured doses.
            1. 0
              April 6 2025 09: 27
              Please tell me, my dear, where is the engine you mentioned installed in series?
              1. -9
                April 6 2025 09: 33
                My dear, when necessary, they will inform us about this. I do not meddle in the secrets of the Ministry of Defense. Maybe they are preparing them for future battles with NATO.
                1. -3
                  April 6 2025 10: 03
                  Yes, yes, yes, oh, what a secret. Polichenelle was jealous. Yes
              2. -1
                April 7 2025 05: 10
                where the engine you specified is installed in series

                wrote above
                On object 195 (T-95) this transmission on one of the objects rolled more than 12000 km, and completely passed all acceptance committees. On T-14 there is the same transmission with the same engine.
                By the way, half of this engine is installed on the BMD (2V-06-2)
                1. 0
                  April 7 2025 07: 53
                  This is serial, in your opinion?
            2. +3
              April 6 2025 12: 22
              Quote: V.
              As I understand it, everything about Armata is still classified, and information is being given out in measured doses.

              But nevertheless, you have information from somewhere that "Armata" was accepted into service. Although this was not reported anywhere.
        3. -3
          April 6 2025 12: 57
          Of course there is! And not just there - not only is it not inferior to the best world samples, but also significantly surpasses them. In short, it has no analogues.
      4. 0
        April 6 2025 09: 13
        There is a gas turbine from T_80
        1. +3
          April 6 2025 09: 22
          The T-80 engine is also not 1500-2000 hp. I won't even mention the fuel consumption, and if you install 2 right away, then the refueller will have to drive nearby all the time.
          1. +1
            April 6 2025 09: 25
            Should I fill it up or steal it? Like in a taxi - should I go or argue?
            1. +2
              April 6 2025 09: 29
              You can also install a liquid propellant rocket engine, two or three, if you think about it that way.
              1. -2
                April 6 2025 17: 45
                You don't have an engineering education to talk about internal combustion engines like that, let alone armored vehicles. I don't know what kind of navigator you are offshore, but you don't shine with the communication culture of a Russian sailor, assistant captain. Maybe studying at a foreign educational institution and working with a foreign crew affects your behavior and personality.
                1. -1
                  April 6 2025 18: 49
                  Chatterbox, have another drink, maybe it will let go, otherwise you're so worried about me)) what about the hashish with a 32 mm thimble, didn't you google it?
                  1. IGU
                    +3
                    April 7 2025 09: 09
                    It seems to me that you are communicating with a bot.
                    Observe his chaotic comments and formulaic excuses.
      5. +2
        April 6 2025 09: 18
        Actually, there is an A-85-3A engine with an automatic transmission and variable power from 1350 to 1800 hp.
      6. +4
        April 6 2025 11: 00
        If the gear ratios are changed using the gearbox and the ARV speed is reduced, the traction force can be significantly increased.
    2. +7
      April 6 2025 08: 16
      with a towing cable length of at least 500 meters
      how much bogatyrs or weightlifters do you need to unwind and drag these 500 meters through the mud? No.
      And what will be the dimensions of the drum for winding this cable? belay
      1. -8
        April 6 2025 08: 51
        Two or three people can easily pull a 20-25 mm rope, this is from my naval experience.
        1. +7
          April 6 2025 09: 11
          The mass of a linear meter of steel cable with a diameter of 24 mm is 2,11 kg. 500 m is 1055 kg, we add the resistance of the surface. Here 2-3 people will not pull
        2. +9
          April 6 2025 09: 18
          two or three people easily

          Cable characteristics:
          diameter - 24 mm;
          design - 6x19 (1+6+6/6)+1 o.s.;
          core - organic;
          approximate weight of 1000 m of lubricated rope - 2110 kg;
          Three of us can drag a ton of rope in the mud, of course, the shelling is invigorating and doesn't let you relax
          from my naval practice.
          put my cap in my teeth and go ahead, I'm passing.
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          2. 0
            April 6 2025 15: 50
            Cable characteristics:
            diameter - 24 mm...

            And it seems like "Breaking load (MBL), 314 kN", but it needs to be pulled with a force no less than the weight of the [prospective] tank - 600 kN (since it's not a "tank on the road" or "a tank in the stubble" that's being pulled, but a stuck "hippopotamus". This means the breaking load of the cable should be 900 kN - that is, three times the cross-sectional area.
            1. -4
              April 6 2025 16: 11
              Well, not all tanks were destroyed in a swamp, there were also some on flat, hard ground.
            2. +1
              April 6 2025 21: 15
              And it seems like "Breaking load (MBL), 314 kN", but it needs to be pulled with a force no less than the weight of the [prospective] tank - 600 kN (since it's not a "tank on the road" or "a tank in the stubble" that's being pulled, but a stuck "hippopotamus". This means the breaking load of the cable should be 900 kN - that is, three times the cross-sectional area.

              for this purpose, a pulley block was included in the kit...
              For this purpose, crews were trained how to use it.
              and the cable, with a breaking strength of 60 tons, was usually part of the tank's equipment
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                      1. -4
                        April 6 2025 15: 27
                        Today I am very satisfied. How I stirred up the Jewish Cossacks, our former people. For this we must drink and not just once. Good night, Israel! tongue fool hi
        4. +1
          April 11 2025 06: 59
          Moving a rope on a smooth deck (pier) or on mud/soil is not the same thing)
          1. -1
            April 11 2025 07: 10
            Below is a comment by Andrey Lozin about the presence of an auxiliary winch. A thin cable is pulled and with its help a heavy tug is pulled.
      2. 0
        April 6 2025 09: 27
        About 2,5-3 meters, plus or minus!
      3. 0
        April 6 2025 15: 02
        and how many strongmen or weightlifters do you need to unwind and drag these 500 meters through the mud?

        There is an auxiliary winch on the ARV to unwind the main winch cable.
    3. -3
      April 6 2025 08: 18
      In principle, the experience of the SVO shows how many ARVs are needed. All this fits into specific figures, and the choice of what platform to make them on. Another question is how many light, medium and heavy ARVs are needed. And what weapons are needed to protect against UAVs. It is also necessary to decide that each ARV is equipped with its own semi-trailer, with a driver who is part of the ARV crew or calculation, for quick delivery to the LBS. The tractor itself can be any vehicle capable of pulling a semi-trailer with an ARV.
      Any tank repair plant, and in principle, an auto repair plant with the appropriate equipment, will be suitable for increasing the number of ARVs.
      If 1000 hp is not enough, then if you increase the hp, you need to immediately install a 1500-2000 hp engine. And think about installing a traction winch with a towing cable length of at least 500 meters for the safety of the ARV.

      Give each tank an ARV! The rosy dream of the Ukrainian Armed Forces drone operators. Yes
  3. +8
    April 6 2025 05: 54
    The available evacuation equipment is literally working to the point of exhaustion – tracked evacuation vehicles travel up to 150 kilometers per day, and wheeled evacuation vehicles travel 350-570 kilometers per day.

    Or maybe these are not technical problems, but the professional incompetence of commanders who DO NOT KNOW how to properly use the equipment entrusted to them and organize reasonable logistics?
    Let's recall the memoirs of tank commanders from the beginning of WWII. When illiterate infantry commanders senselessly drove tank units back and forth until they ran out of motor resources and/or fuel and the tanks had to be simply abandoned.
  4. +16
    April 6 2025 06: 26
    Military conflicts will not be exhausted in the SVO, and it is highly desirable not to step on the same rake in the future.

    This thought deserves a (+).
    stop The thing is that in Russia it is customary to create difficulties in order to heroically overcome them later. Running over rakes is a national pastime of Russian officials.
    * * *
    For me, conducting the SVO identified several problems.
    The leadership of the Ministry of Defense has failed to bring mobilization readiness to the required level. Troop management problems are either not being solved properly or do not have radical solutions due to a weak understanding of the management itself.
    Continuing the operation for a fairly long time revealed that the Armed Forces do not have weapons that are capable of solving problems in a short time, and the military industry is not able to provide the troops with such weapons in the required quantities. Some of the "newest" developments are simply imbued with anachronism.
    The lack of reliable and effective weapons that can DESTROY UAVs negates all efforts to invent mobile weapons, including ARVs, leaving the safe evacuation of equipment for the period “after”...
    * * *
    Of course, I wrote nonsense, the ravings of a retired military man... Thank God that the site contains experts in modern combined arms tactics, luminaries of military construction, gurus of technology and weapons - they will make (I hope) the necessary comments and amendments that will please "there"...
    1. +2
      April 6 2025 07: 33
      Everything is correct and it is not nonsense. Only the problems of the army are not so much the problems of the Ministry of Defense, as the problems of the government, which measures the greatness of the country exclusively by the size of foreign trade turnover.
      1. -2
        April 6 2025 12: 53
        Quote: bug120560
        how many problems there are with the government that measures the greatness of the country solely by the size of its foreign trade turnover.

        Yeah, yeah, selling gas to NATO (FRG) in the 1970s for Deutschmarks - in order to immediately buy grain for them from NATO (USA/Canada) - that was greatness and not an ounce of foreign trade turnover.
        Maybe.....
        1. 0
          April 6 2025 14: 14
          Quote: your1970
          sell gas to NATO (FRG) for Deutschmarks in the 1970s

          Not true! Gas was only supplied to Germany in the eighties! Oil was supplied to the Germans in exchange for wheat.
          1. -2
            April 6 2025 17: 34
            Quote from alexoff
            not true! Gas began to be supplied to Germany only in eighties!

            belay belay
            Yeah, the gas pipelines were built in 1970-1972, and they started pumping in the 1980s. fool
            By 1980, Germany had completed gasification all settlements with our gas.....
            Secondly, there were no exchanges for anything, the gas was paid for in Deutschmarks after the completion of the transaction.
    2. 0
      April 6 2025 08: 04
      Quote: yuriy55
      The lack of reliable and effective weapons that can DESTROY UAVs negates all efforts to invent mobile weapons
      This is the main thing you need to know about SVO...
  5. +4
    April 6 2025 06: 41
    There, somewhere in the swamp, there was one, it seemed pretty good...
    1. 0
      April 6 2025 11: 55
      https://t.me/Ugolok_Sitha/16056
      "Excellent" car
  6. +4
    April 6 2025 06: 44
    Quote: Arzt
    Considering the doubtfulness of the principle of using tanks in modern conditions, the use of BREMs is also doubtful in principle
    Tanks have lost their main function as offensive weapons, but are successfully used as cannon carriers, which are not so easy to destroy. And in addition to all that, an ARV is also needed
    1. -8
      April 6 2025 07: 52
      Tanks have lost their main function as offensive weapons, but are successfully used as cannon carriers, which are not so easy to destroy. And in addition to all that, an ARV is also needed

      I'll tell you more, they will also be thrown into the offensive. fellow

      As is well known, old ideas die only when their bearers die. Therefore, while graduates of the Kazan Tank School are at the helm, Uralvagonzavod will continue its senseless work.

      The same thing happened with sailing ships, then battleships, and the same cavalry. Stalin continued to churn out cannon ships after the war, and Budyonny increased the number of horses. laughing

      It's their youth, they simply can't do it any other way. request
      1. +4
        April 6 2025 09: 01
        Stalin continued to make cannon ships even after the war
        - And what kind of ones do you think he should have been churning out?
        1. -7
          April 6 2025 09: 45
          and what kind of ones do you think he should have been making?

          Missile-carrying and aircraft carriers.
          1. +4
            April 6 2025 10: 27
            Stalin missile-carrying? With what missiles?
            1. -2
              April 6 2025 11: 16
              Stalin missile-carrying? With what missiles?

              Stalin - none at all, he liked battleships, that's what I'm talking about.
              This is already "stupid" Khrushchev... wink
              1. +2
                April 6 2025 13: 23
                And what other ships needed to be created in Stalin's times (50s). Back then, missiles were at the testing stage. And the potential enemy fleet (Great Britain and the USA) had a colossal fleet consisting of battleships, cruisers and aircraft carriers. No one had any missile ships back then.
                1. -4
                  April 6 2025 16: 30
                  And what other ships needed to be created in Stalin's times (50s). Back then, missiles were at the testing stage. And the potential enemy fleet (Great Britain and the USA) had a colossal fleet consisting of battleships, cruisers and aircraft carriers. No one had any missile ships back then.

                  Everything was there. The winged V-1 and V-2, which the Germans used to "calibrate" London, and the "Terrier" anti-aircraft missiles on the American "Baltimores".

                  There was just no ability or desire to look into the future; admirals and corporals needed ships here and now. Any kind.

                  And so it is now. Cancel tanks? And where to put the tank colonels?
                  They say from the front: tanks don't roll, drones kill everything bigger than a chicken. In headquarters they open Lieutenant Malandin's notes: what do we have there, yeah, 1945, Berlin, Volkssturm, Faustpatrone. Weld some bed nets onto the armor, guys, and go ahead. fellow

                  War has changed FUNDAMENTALLY. But the thinking has remained the same.
      2. +3
        April 7 2025 12: 08
        Quote: Arzt
        Stalin continued to make cannon ships even after the war

        Stalin had no choice - in the late 40s and early 50s, missile weapons were a large, expensive toy, poorly suited for installation on ships.
        Another thing is that Joseph Vissarionovich, in the dispute between the Navy and the Small Shipbuilding Industry over the types of ships planned for construction, sided with the industrialists - and as a result, the fleet received ships of slightly redesigned pre-war designs, which already at the time of construction had questionable combat qualities.

        But the fact that the fleet under Khrushchev continued to churn out (or rather weld) pre-war ships is true. And Khrushchev's sharp rebuke to the fleet was absolutely justified - the USSR could not afford to throw away millions of rubles on ships that could, at most, act as targets. Moreover, with the same Project 68-bis cruise missiles, the fleet itself did everything possible to stop their construction, having wrapped up the project to modernize the cruise missiles into air defense cruise missiles in Moscow offices. Well, and they waited - the unfinished cruise missiles, instead of being re-equipped, "went to the dogs."
        Moreover, ships with missiles were built under Khrushchev, and built serially. Project 58, Project 61 - these were precisely the times of the NSH.
  7. 0
    April 6 2025 07: 14
    You can fantasize as much as you like, but the problem will most likely be solved after the SVO...
    1. 0
      April 6 2025 20: 42
      and the problem will be solved after the SVO, most likely...

      Most likely it will be like with the UAV in South Ossetia in 2008.
      They promised and... that's all request
  8. +2
    April 6 2025 08: 35
    The authors from the MTO Academy are absolutely right to turn to foreign experience, according to which “the use of a single platform not only simplifies and reduces production costs

    Our foreign partners have almost everything on a single platform, they started doing it many, many years ago, our Ministry of Defense still doesn’t understand that we also need to switch to a single platform
    1. 0
      April 6 2025 14: 17
      Well, there it is - a single platform of the Armata, and a tank, and an IFV, and an BREM. It's just expensive, so they decided not to buy anything and not to bring it to mind. They decided that it would be better to give this money to Shoygu and his Timur team. It seems that the money for 20 thousand Armata disappeared somewhere.
  9. 0
    April 6 2025 08: 48
    "Of these, the failure rate for operational reasons for BTVT is 60% (engine - 32%, transmission - 22%), for automotive equipment - 80% (engine - 48%, transmission - 38%)" It looks like we are striving for 100% "success". will lead the country effectively.
    1. +2
      April 6 2025 10: 56
      Is there somewhere on the planet a technology that doesn’t break?
  10. +9
    April 6 2025 09: 13
    Removing a crane even from a purely evacuation vehicle is not a good idea. Very often you need to lift something somewhere, remove something from the way, and there are few other situations that can happen. One winch may not be enough.
  11. +5
    April 6 2025 10: 14
    A natural question arises: what will happen if there is a large-scale offensive?

    What large-scale offensive? Now even a company offensive is large-scale...
  12. 0
    April 6 2025 11: 33
    https://t.me/Ugolok_Sitha/16056
    Author, next time you write an article, at least check the numbers.
  13. 0
    April 6 2025 14: 55
    An interesting and relevant article, as well as comments to it. Not an expert in this field, but as a former VATT graduate, I have made a number of conclusions for myself:
    - the problem must be solved comprehensively (taking into account the entire chain of evacuation and repair);
    - it is irrational to deprive the ARV of the ability to carry out repairs (under favorable conditions) (in extreme cases, to “optimize” something);
    - it is logical to use heavy trailer-transporters to preserve resources and efficiency (in the deep rear) - the problem is their quantity;
    - the idea of ​​equipping each ARV with a mini-UAV (drone) is relevant and timely – “reconnaissance is our everything”;
    - increasing the length of the evacuation cable to reasonable limits - here it would not hurt each vehicle to include its own wheeled drone with the necessary traction force to deliver it to the damaged vehicle (of course, this will not always be possible), here a light reconnaissance drone will also help;
    - about tanks – let’s not forget that “everything develops in a spiral”…
    1. -1
      April 7 2025 02: 07
      increasing the length of the evacuation rope

      Having a long rope is useful for creating pulleys. But having enough [without pulleys] force on the winch itself saves time (of sticking out in the enemy's sight).
      I think it is important to note that in order to extract a stuck vehicle, it is often necessary for the cable to pull not horizontally, but slightly upwards, and for this, it is necessary either for the recovery vehicle to come very close, or to stick some kind of boom-strut into the ground.
  14. 0
    April 6 2025 15: 00
    我听说有俄军抱怨缺乏BMP来前线运输并且MTLB过于脆弱,是这样吗?
  15. 0
    April 6 2025 15: 14
    It is a true thought that a universal machine is worse than two specialized ones.
    That is, you need a separate heavy tow truck and a separate vehicle with all the repair equipment, even better a wheeled one.
    Moreover, the evacuation vehicle, like the minesweeper, is on a special chassis, not a tank one. The best one is a 4-track one like the Object 279.
    I foresee that fans of "unification" will immediately appear here, but nothing can be done, a tank is a transport vehicle, and you can't make a good traction vehicle out of it. For example, how much the tank's service life is reduced if you attach a lowboy.
  16. -3
    April 6 2025 15: 32
    Quote: Polyssenator
    What kind of rally is this? What does Abrams have to do with it?

    Lick the engine. That's what it's all about
  17. +1
    April 6 2025 15: 35
    Quote from alexoff
    Well, there it is - a single platform of the Armata, and a tank, and an IFV, and an BREM. It's just expensive, so they decided not to buy anything and not to bring it to mind. They decided that it would be better to give this money to Shoygu and his Timur team. It seems that the money for 20 thousand Armata disappeared somewhere.

    They'll get him off. He knows too much. One call from above, and the prosecutor will forget.
  18. -1
    April 6 2025 15: 42
    The tactics of warfare have changed completely in 3 years. Tank columns, like in 2022, will never travel again. So it is unlikely that anyone will now decide to seriously modernize the existing tow trucks. Tanks have already survived the 100-year mark. Cavalry also once seemed indispensable, and they were still riding it in 1942
  19. 0
    April 6 2025 16: 21
    The authors from the Academy of Logistics and Transport are quite right in referring to foreign experience, according to which “the use of a single platform not only simplifies and reduces the costs of producing armored repair and recovery vehicles (BREM) by increasing the degree of unification, but also improves the organization of maintenance of armored vehicles. According to which “the use of a single platform not only simplifies and reduces the costs of producing armored repair and recovery vehicles (BREM) by increasing the degree of unification, but also improves the organization of maintenance of armored vehicles.

    I disagree!
    ARV is, first of all, a "tractor". These are substantially different, not "tank" requirements for the engine and transmission. We must stop the thoughtless mantra of "using a single platform", and design and manufacture a good heavy (in terms of winch force) ARV. And only then supplement the model range with lighter and more specialized vehicles.
    The creation of a unified series is a task that requires an ORDER OF MUCH higher qualification of the designer in comparison with the development of individual machines. And it is senseless to allow teams of developers who do not have experience in successfully developing similar parameters for new equipment to tackle such a task. Are there such developers in our country?
  20. -3
    April 6 2025 16: 47
    From heavy ground equipment now instead of tanks we need to develop the direction of Haimars. Shoots far and accurately. Mobile.
    The tanks will remain to fight the Basmachi armed with AKMs. And they are already actively buying guided missiles in China and Iran.
  21. 0
    April 6 2025 17: 53
    Quote: Dometer
    Are there such developers in our country?

    What are you talking about?
    I am sure that there is no one to design even a replacement for the T170. Naturally, a promising and competitive one, maximally localized, and not just a new cabin and hood, or replacing the internal combustion engine with a Chinese one.
    1. 0
      April 6 2025 21: 07
      I am sure that there is no one to design even a replacement for the T170 now.

      and you - have doubts?
      almost everyone switched to Chinese...
      whatever they may be...
  22. 0
    April 6 2025 18: 53
    As opposed to one universal ARV, there may be a complex of more highly specialized and simpler machines in comparison: a machine with a powerful winch and anchors, a crane-loader, a transport chassis, a tractor.
  23. 0
    April 6 2025 19: 44
    There is no need to repair anything on the belt. They pulled it, dragged it to the rear as far as possible, there they rolled it onto a lowboy with a regular crane and to the repair battalion. That's it. Forget about repairs on the front. Therefore, you just need a tank tractor. It can be from obsolete ones. Cranes (now that's a problem) and tank carriers (low-deck lowboys). Also a problem, by the way.
  24. 0
    April 6 2025 21: 04
    Russian Army Needs New ARV

    Okay, we need a new one - but what will be its novelty?
    and if you look into these numbers:
    “Of these, the share of failures due to operational reasons for armored vehicles is 60% (engine – 32%, transmission – 22%), for automotive equipment – ​​80% (engine – 48%, transmission – 38%)”

    then, it seems that the appearance of a new ARV will not solve the problem...
    Just think about the numbers presented: The failure rate for automotive equipment is 80% (engine – 48%, transmission – 38%)...
    Wouldn't it be easier to ask the manufacturers of this equipment - what do they produce for the army...?
    80%!!! - these are failures during operation! and only 20% are "combat"...
    1. 0
      April 7 2025 00: 44
      80%!!! - these are failures during operation! and only 20% are "combat"...

      If you issue a directive to reduce the PERCENTAGE of operational failures, then idiots will be found... Armored personnel carriers - in a frontal attack, ... cars - into a minefield...
      1. 0
        April 7 2025 08: 09
        If a directive is issued to reduce the PERCENTAGE of operational failures,

        Do you even understand what this is about?
        it's like comparing the reliability of a Moskvich 407 and a Golf from Volkswagen...
        or in other words: out of 100 departures - 80 exits from the line due to technical reasons (operational failures), i.e. only 20 machines completed the assigned task...
        1. 0
          April 8 2025 03: 53
          The article in question states:
          In the specialized journal "Science and Military Security" the authors ... cite data that only a quarter of weapons, military and special equipment fails due to combat damage. 75 percent of evacuations to the rear are related to technical malfunctions.

          Not the share of losses of "departed equipment", but the share of "friend/foe" in the reasons for failure (I try to explain clearly, without nuances).
          1. 0
            April 8 2025 12: 47
            Not the share of losses of "departed equipment", but the share of "friend/foe" in the reasons for failure (I try to explain clearly, without nuances).

            can you put it another way: do you travel by bus (or other public transport)?
            so in Soviet times it was believed that the share of serviceable buses should be 90-95% of their total number...i.e. out of 100 vehicles, 90 - at least - work, and according to the figures given here?
            Now these ratings have been cancelled, but they have no power to prohibit their use
  25. 0
    April 6 2025 22: 14
    The 1000-horsepower engine that is currently mounted on the BREM-1M (the heaviest serial recovery vehicle in the Russian Army) is also insufficient.


    Where does the author get his data?
    These are nothing other than his personal fantasies.
    With a 1000 hp diesel engine, the BREM-1M can pull out T-90s that are stuck up to the turret in no time,
    (first-hand information from a tank captain, T-90 company commander).
    Of course, it is weak for Armata, but there is no Armata in the army.
  26. 0
    April 6 2025 22: 59
    Tow trucks do not exist on their own, they are part of the system. If this is a tank unit, then getting a tow truck with a different engine type is already a problem. How to service, supply and repair them? We have 4 types of primary mechanization (tracked tank, tracked infantry fighting vehicle, wheeled armored personnel carrier and wheeled armored vehicles). Each has its own type, another thing is that in special evacuation units within the framework of low front mobility, it probably makes sense to increase (or even replace with a single) ARV. But how will the linear units move - an ARV in a column with an ARV?! In my opinion, if something needs to be done, then introduce ADDITIONALLY purely evacuation engineering units, so let them have a single simplified ARV with anti-drone protection, APS and whatever else they came up with, so let them be equipped with a more powerful winch, a second, third, rigid coupling or even a hydraulic lift like on cargo tow trucks. Their task is to drag it to a safe place, and there is a road, a crane, a lowboy and no drones.
    And let what is there do its hard work as it did, where there are no drones
    By the way, the percentage of non-combat losses of vehicles is clear - their job is to provide logistics and wind up kilometers, and not to jump under drones
    1. 0
      April 7 2025 02: 11
      I completely agree with your vision of the problem! drinks
    2. 0
      April 7 2025 09: 29
      By the way, the percentage of non-combat losses of vehicles is clear

      I don't understand
      explain what is clear to you
  27. -1
    April 7 2025 01: 55
    In war, equipment is not changed, but rather is driven in large quantities to what has already been mastered. The same IS-2 and self-propelled guns were based on components of pre-war vehicles with minor modifications.
    .
    If you want a real update, then do not touch the old working factories, do not disrupt the production process. Build new factories for the production of NEW engines, new foundries, etc. Invest in components, and even a garage can assemble a candy from a ready-made set.
    And, frankly speaking, high-quality communications will increase the combat capabilities of troops 10 times more than any super-duper miracle on tracks. It is quite possible that the ideas being expressed about new machine guns, tanks, guns, shells... are aimed not only at disrupting the production of existing weapons, but also at depriving the production of communications, surveillance and adjustment equipment of funds. It is possible that the Ministry of Defense is staffed not only by fools and thieves, but also by real traitors and spies.
  28. -3
    April 7 2025 09: 26
    The military is often criticized for "getting ready for the last war" and that this is supposedly a big drawback. The Russian military sneezed at these truisms. They prepared for the last war anyhow, they put on a show, and they were not ready for the current war, having stolen weapons and sawed off orders, and they will only prepare for the future war without funding. And they do not think how pathetic and ridiculous a soldier with a machine gun looks on our super-duper modern combat vehicles, as a defense against drones.
  29. 0
    April 7 2025 09: 33
    Deja vu! It's like 41 and the Germans. Our tank crews heroically fight guerrillas alone, abandoning vehicles with broken tracks because they can't hide from drones anymore, and the ARV for evacuation or repairs is God knows where and is also hiding from drones. Replace the drones with Messerschmitts and bast shoes and everything is the same.
  30. 0
    April 7 2025 17: 26
    Everything is fair! Especially about the diversity of types, models of equipment. It's time to come to unified platforms, you are not fools either, you don't spread yourself too thin
  31. 0
    April 8 2025 08: 39
    The author is strange...
    Unification is good, but why take it to the point of absurdity...
    We need 3 types of BRM. 1 heavy, based on T-72/T-80 tanks... It should go mainly to tank brigades and divisions... And also to artillery units where heavy self-propelled tracked howitzers are on the staff... Well, and a small number to motorized rifle brigades/divisions to support tank battalions/regiments.
    The second most widespread one is based on the BMP-3. They should be supplied to all motorized rifle and similar units...
    Well, and the wheeled one, it is for light units like parachute regiments, the Russian Guard, border guards, in general, where there is no tracked vehicle...
    Then it would be a reasonable unification... But why the hell does a unit need a tank armored vehicle if it only has armored personnel carriers and Tigers in service?
    You also need to think, because unification for the sake of unification is terrible stupidity, after which we start rolling square ones and wearing round ones...

    The second, most widespread
  32. 0
    April 11 2025 08: 55
    Russian Army Needs New ARV

    Here we need to ask the question: what does the Russian army not need?
  33. 0
    April 15 2025 09: 02
    The whole problem of the Soviet, and then the Russian army and not only the army is that they can allocate and spend huge amounts of money on basic equipment, equipment, etc. and at the same time forget about the auxiliary part (repairs, spare parts, tools, equipment, etc.). A simple example - there are modern airplanes, but how do you hang bombs on them? There are equipped operating rooms, but a simple but high-quality first aid kit takes years to invent, etc.