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Again T-50 in Zhukovsky

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In the Flight Research Institute named after M.Gromov in Zhukovsky near Moscow, the testing of flight prototypes of the fifth-generation Russian fighter of the PAC FA - T-50 aircraft continues. On the web site russianplanes.net, fresh photos of three of the four flight test boards built so far appeared in March 2013 in March - images of T-50-1 aircraft (the tail number "051"), T-50-3 (" 053 ") and T-50-4 (" 054 ").



Airplane T-50-4 (tail number "054"). Zhukovsky, March 2013 of the year



Airplane T-50-4 (tail number "054"). Zhukovsky, 27.03.2013



Airplane T-50-3 (tail number "053"). Zhukovsky, March 2013 of the year



Airplane T-50-1 (tail number "051"). Zhukovsky, March 2013 of the year



Airplane T-50-1 (tail number "051"). Zhukovsky, March 2013 of the year
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  1. valokordin
    valokordin April 1 2013 14: 24 New
    23
    Not an airplane, but a dream. How beautiful he is, which means he will fly.
    1. zambo
      zambo April 1 2013 14: 30 New
      +6
      Yes, breathtaking! God forbid that the tests be completed successfully, on time and it was released ... eleven squadrons of such handsome men.
      1. queen
        queen April 1 2013 17: 26 New
        +3
        let us give heaven to him .... not for us to judge
    2. afire
      afire April 1 2013 14: 39 New
      +5
      Well and handsome! Let's fly a bird, start in formation soon!
    3. Hedgehog
      Hedgehog April 1 2013 15: 16 New
      +1
      He would have to draw a shark and he would be a sight for sore eyes)
      1. queen
        queen April 1 2013 17: 38 New
        16
        the hedgehog itself)))))
        1. Nick
          Nick April 1 2013 18: 46 New
          +3
          Video Suite! good
          1. Corsair
            Corsair April 1 2013 19: 51 New
            +3
            Quote: Nick
            Video Suite! good
            Patting a pilot’s hand on the nose of a standing airplane says: -Do not drift a bird, you will be the best in the world, but for nowlearn !
          2. almost demobil
            almost demobil April 1 2013 20: 10 New
            +4
            Quote: Nick
            Video Suite!

            The video is yeah, but the soundtrack is completely off topic. And here the rebellion from hell is incomprehensible. In such cases, I would like to hear Russian speech, and not that. The rest is positive.
            1. queen
              queen April 1 2013 22: 45 New
              +2
              Quote: almost demob
              but the soundtrack is not a topic at all

              but as without the great and terrible good
          3. svp67
            svp67 April 2 2013 14: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: Nick
            Video Suite! good


            I join ... if there was any musical accompaniment. A "bird" - fly, to our joy and evil enemies ...
        2. alexdol
          alexdol April 1 2013 18: 52 New
          +8
          regin RU
          Thank you, I watched your video, everything is fine and the plane is excellent, God forbid, that it will fly EXCELLENT! But I had one question. And who made this video? It seems that OURs should have done? But then why does foreign music sound ??? I would have understood if the amers had done it, because they are unlikely to use our music in their videos. Really for this plot the creators could not find anything from our music, I do not like it ...
          1. queen
            queen April 1 2013 22: 53 New
            0
            Quote: alexdol
            But then why does foreign music sound ???

            Ozzy has no complexes))))))))))))))))))))))
        3. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus April 1 2013 21: 16 New
          +1
          Damn, how am I trudging from his appearance, I especially like that he is almost like a monoplane, these wide wings merging with the body, ahhh ... SUPER! The rapper, according to him, the "rapper" is big and the brain is with a fist
        4. viktorR
          viktorR April 3 2013 10: 59 New
          +1
          Oh well, handsome! Straight mood in the morning rose! All the same, he flies somehow easily, naturally, as in his element. The comparison may not be correct, but the Raptor in the air, like a penguin on land, seems to be moving, it seems not bad, but somehow awkward. While the T-50 is like a dolphin in water, it moves quickly and easily, effortlessly.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 1 2013 16: 03 New
      +5
      Quote: valokordin
      How beautiful he is


      More spectacular than the Raptor
    5. Nevsky
      Nevsky April 1 2013 16: 05 New
      +7
      And outwardly I like the Su-35 more)))
    6. Letun
      Letun April 1 2013 16: 24 New
      +1
      Yes, handsome, I even had the idea to change my profile picture wink
    7. queen
      queen April 1 2013 17: 20 New
      0
      Quote: valokordin
      Not an airplane, but a dream. How beautiful he is, which means he will fly.
    8. Zubr
      Zubr April 2 2013 00: 13 New
      +2
      And not just flying, but it was sewing at the fifth point of our potential "FRIENDS" .. drinks
      1. I think so
        I think so April 2 2013 14: 16 New
        -6
        Can I have a spoon in your barrel?

        I don’t understand ... where will they attach bombs and missiles to it?
        I don’t understand ... he has reduced radar visibility al no?
        I don’t understand ... does he have an engine ... new?
        My question is ... what’s new and special about him?
        Now I have a question ... all his parameters were "classified" due to the fact that it is embarrassing to show or not to frighten (ridicule) the enemy?
        Well, it’s kind of flies ... but this is not the most important thing for the aircraft of his destination ...
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak April 2 2013 15: 14 New
          +5
          I don’t understand ... where will they attach bombs and missiles to it?

          Two internal compartments between the air intakes. Plus two small ones near the wing root, their fairings can be seen as two narrow “ridges” in the lower part of the wing. It is possible to put beam holders.



          I don’t understand ... he has reduced radar visibility al no?

          Yes, reduced, but not at the expense of maneuverability.
          I don’t understand ... does he have an engine ... new?

          Not yet.
          My question is ... what’s new and special about him?

          That’s a bald, bald secret!
          Now I have a question ... all his parameters were "classified" due to the fact that it is embarrassing to show or not to frighten (ridicule) the enemy?

          The parameters of the F-22 of the likely enemy are also classified. Are they laughing or afraid?
          Well, it’s kind of flies ... but this is not the most important thing for the aircraft of his destination ...

          Not just flying, tests are underway. The complex is complex, so you have to hurry slowly.
          1. I think so
            I think so April 2 2013 16: 30 New
            -8
            So in "hidden" places there are only 4 missiles or bombs ... and not enough?
            Radar signature ... well, let’s say as it was and remained ... because of the pipes of the engines and air intakes ...
            There is nothing new (?) Because it would have been ringing all the bells for a long time ... at all angles in the internet ... the new radar is in question, the engine is "promised" as is now customary in Russia by 2020 ... internally electronic equipment ... will be bought from the French, as is now customary in the country ...
            Am I interpreting your answer correctly? So well here from the 5th generation, which is not in the 3rd?
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak April 2 2013 16: 45 New
              +1
              Am I interpreting your answer correctly?

              No.
              So in "hidden" places there are only 4 missiles or bombs ... and not enough?

              Well, this is a model. It is really unknown how many suspension nodes there are. But even if there are 3 in each compartment, this is already 6 missiles! Apart from the suspension on the external nodes (and then you can forget about the low EPR) Decently. Yes, plus 2 rockets for self-defense. A total of 8 explosive missiles with low EPR. Which fighter has more?
              due to engine pipes and air intakes ...

              They are made differently, the turbine blades are not visible from the front, the EPR is lowered.
              internally electronic equipment ... will be bought from the French, as is now customary in the country ...

              There is nothing new (?) Because it would have been ringing all the bells for a long time ... at all angles in the internet ... the new radar is in question, the engine is "promised" as is now customary in Russia by 2020 ... internally electronic equipment ... will be bought from the French, as is now customary in the country ...

              Uh ... A new glider? And what about the new weapons? What about the new avionics? Please do not be compared to the local Lebarasts, shouting at every step that we are behind, NATO technology is better and generally we better dig a hole for ourselves, lie there and die.
            2. evil hamster
              evil hamster April 2 2013 20: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: I think so
              So in "hidden" places there are only 4 missiles or bombs ... and not enough?
              6 minimum
              Quote: I think so
              Radar signature ... well, let’s say as it was and remained ... because of the pipes of the engines and air intakes ...

              How was it with anyone? Do you know how to determine the EPR from a photo? And what is wrong with the “engine pipes” and air intakes?
              Quote: I think so
              There is nothing new (?) Because it would have been trumpeting all the bells for a long time
              Everything is new in it, and if you do not know this, then who is to blame for you?
              Quote: I think so
              new radar - in doubt
              - can you learn the materiel? then there will be no stupid questions.
              Quote: I think so
              the engine is "promised" as is now customary in Russia by 2020
              The engine there is already a new ed. 117 what does he not satisfy you with?
              Quote: I think so
              internally electronic equipment ... will be bought from the French, as is now customary in the country ...
              Hmm, but forgive me from where you wake up? I don’t know how in your country and we have 4 prototypes flying, do you assume that they fly without "internal electronic equipment"?
              Quote: I think so
              So well here from the 5th generation, which is not in the 3rd?

              Is the answer all right for you?
        2. Zubr
          Zubr April 3 2013 02: 07 New
          +2
          Or maybe you also have drawings with a detailed description and specification with the materials used ?! :)))
        3. Kostya pedestrian
          Kostya pedestrian April 3 2013 13: 45 New
          +1
          By the way, smart questions.
          I, as a delitant in questions about modern fighter jets, are also interested in such topics as the main advantages of this model in striking power and spectrum of targets, this “bird” is capable of striking.

          Although, the synchronization and the number of control parts of the T-50 is respected, as is their ability to make all kinds of unprecedented maneuvers.
        4. Fraid
          Fraid 11 June 2013 16: 14 New
          0
          Well, the questions. After them, then everyone understands that YOU are just an ostrich in 5th generation fighters!
          Keep your smart head on and on in the ground! Ahahah)))))))
  2. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 1 2013 14: 26 New
    +7
    Rather, he would go to the series, otherwise we are 20 years behind the USA!
    1. amp
      amp April 1 2013 14: 28 New
      +1
      Let the engine be normal.
      1. Explore
        Explore April 1 2013 14: 50 New
        +4
        The engine as a whole is already normal.
        Engines "Product 117" will stand on the first production cars. It was originally created under the PAK FA. Power - 2 × 8800 (afterburner - 2 × 15000)
        The Product 129 engines will begin to be supplied to the troops in 2015, but they promise to mass transfer all newly produced PAK FAs only by 2020. Power - 2 × 10900 (afterburner - 2 × 18000)
        1. queen
          queen April 1 2013 18: 17 New
          0
          Quote: Explorar
          The engine as a whole is already normal.

          Believe me, it will be better, your optimism is good))))
      2. Su24
        Su24 April 1 2013 14: 54 New
        +2
        AL-41F and so normal, and then it will be even better.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 1 2013 16: 17 New
      +5
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Rather, he would go to the series, otherwise we are 20 years behind the USA!


      Why? With F-22 they have a bummer, F-35 is the same crap, We are behind in the number of Su-35 (the best in the world), but not in development

      F-22 NOW DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE LONG FLIGHTS, AND ALSO ALWAYS SHOULD BE LOCATED NEAR YOUR TAKEOFF AND STRIPES TO BE PERMANENT, EXTENDED.
      1. Hedgehog
        Hedgehog April 1 2013 17: 11 New
        +6
        I want to please you, as far as I remember, these restrictions were lifted back last summer.
        Well, PAK-FA handsome! I don’t already know that I prefer the T-50 or Su-35BM. and 29.01.10/XNUMX/XNUMX jumped for joy)
        1. queen
          queen April 2 2013 08: 31 New
          0
          Quote: Hedgehog
          or Su-35BM

          + But the modification of the modernized)))) although)))) good
    3. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. April 1 2013 19: 27 New
      +2
      Usa 20 years in the absence of competition from our side engaged in the manufacture of flying gates
    4. NauruS
      NauruS April 3 2013 01: 28 New
      0
      not a fact, comparing the same Su-35S and raptor, I will not say that the drying is inferior in something!
  3. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust April 1 2013 14: 27 New
    0
    Handsome man! We are not waiting for you! good
  4. Arrogant
    Arrogant April 1 2013 14: 35 New
    20
    there is no doubt a handsome man, but it seems to me that this bird looks more sympathetic
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv April 1 2013 14: 39 New
      0
      I wouldn’t fly worse than CBS
      1. Nick
        Nick April 1 2013 19: 20 New
        0
        Quote: leon-iv
        I wouldn’t fly worse than CBS

        Well, CBS was not used for beauty. Most likely CBS gives some useful advantages over a conventional wing.
    2. afire
      afire April 1 2013 14: 40 New
      +1
      Yes, they are all handsome only because they are our handsome men, there’s not even any talk about combat capabilities - our beautiful car even has beautiful weapons! Mine!
    3. ATATA
      ATATA April 1 2013 14: 53 New
      +7
      Yes, but good only in this perspective. And also the top speed at altitude is conditionally equal to 2500 km / h, in fact it is limited to 900 km / h in connection with the destructive loads on the wing and center section. This is the other side of the reverse sweep. hi
    4. USNik
      USNik April 1 2013 16: 50 New
      +2
      S-37 flew excellently, but during the tests the wings fully developed a resource for fatigue / stress of the material. The slightest damage to the wing edge could lead to catastrophic destruction of the entire structure. And the main plus of the demonstrator, fast maneuverability, is achieved by UHT and advanced mechanization. And of course, handsome! I remember on it back in the gray 90s in an Ice Combat toy ripped up enemy hackers soldier .
    5. agent
      agent April 1 2013 17: 24 New
      +1
      It’s a pity I didn’t go to the series, one kind of respect inspires ...
      1. Nick
        Nick April 1 2013 19: 22 New
        0
        Quote: agent
        one kind of respect inspires ...

        Yes, he looks extreme, I would even say threatening ...
      2. queen
        queen April 2 2013 08: 40 New
        0
        Quote: agent
        It’s a pity I didn’t go to the series, one kind of respect inspires ...

        Went to the series)))) He did the SU-35, they refused PGO. He was like the SU-47. Technology development. So everything is exactly (not counting their number to this day) smile
    6. Garrin
      Garrin April 1 2013 22: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Rogue
      there is no doubt a handsome man, but it seems to me that this bird looks more sympathetic

      I would say more predatory.
    7. Kostya pedestrian
      Kostya pedestrian April 3 2013 13: 50 New
      0
      So it seems to be like an attack aircraft to work on ground targets, and should be harder and less maneuverable?

      T-50 - interceptor for medium and higher targets?
    8. Fraid
      Fraid 11 June 2013 16: 21 New
      0
      This bird will come in 2050. about. For that maneuverability
      what is embedded in this glider is not yet ready element base.
      Su-47 is a look at several generations ahead, even against the background of the T-50 !!
  5. Normal
    Normal April 1 2013 14: 52 New
    0
    Yes, the plane is very beautiful. Especially in the first and fourth photo.
  6. awerkiev
    awerkiev April 1 2013 14: 58 New
    -26
    Externally, the F-22 Raptor is very similar
    1. leon-iv
      leon-iv April 1 2013 15: 06 New
      +4
      lol what is it like what is it like?
    2. Manager
      Manager April 1 2013 15: 11 New
      +9
      Quote: awerkiev
      Externally, the F-22 Raptor is very similar


      What> Ours is wider and larger, the wings are different, the lantern is different. The filling is completely different. The price is different. Everything else !!!! I repeat again !! How do they look like bleating ???
      1. Manager
        Manager April 1 2013 15: 28 New
        +1
        For those awerkiev who puts a minus.
        http://warcyb.org.ru/news/sravnenie_sukhogo_t50_s_f_22/2010-10-27-196 Сравнения!
      2. Manager
        Manager April 1 2013 15: 29 New
        +6
        Here you have external comparisons. Still look alike?
        1. APASUS
          APASUS April 1 2013 20: 01 New
          +2
          Why compare them?
          It is necessary to compare our Yak-141 which was completely merged to the Americans thanks to Yeltsin and F-22!
          Here it is clear who has stolen what ??
          1. Nitup
            Nitup April 1 2013 21: 54 New
            +3
            Most likely, you mean not f-22, but f-35, right?
          2. Zubr
            Zubr April 2 2013 00: 34 New
            +4
            It would be necessary to reanimate this bird ...
        2. Zubr
          Zubr April 2 2013 00: 33 New
          +2
          Given that, our engines have spread and the wing area is larger, our bird is much more stable in flight.
        3. rodevaan
          rodevaan April 2 2013 14: 46 New
          0
          Quote: Manager
          Here you have external comparisons. Still look alike?


          - Look, look. At first glance, I immediately thought of Americans. Now, if they left the SU-1, then they are different as black and white, but these are similar.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak April 1 2013 16: 14 New
        +8
        Quote: Manager
        Ours is wider and larger, the wings are different, the lantern is different. The filling is completely different. The price is different. Everything else !!


        The main thing is that our terribly useful, but the American is not, flying on it is unhealthy, and those who survive after the flight are tormented by a strange cough,

        “Go into the pilots' room after the flights, and you will certainly hear a cough,” Air Force Colonel Soltis told reporters. - All pilots are aware of this. In a room full of F-22 pilots, you will hear this cough constantly. ” Not to mention the fact that the symptoms of hypoxia, as it turned out now, were even handled several times by technicians who worked with the aircraft on the ground - in the case when the aircraft's engines were turned on for warm-up.
        the “Raptor” defect (plastic) is simply unavoidable: for this, the aircraft must be redesigned. And the current one is easier to throw in a landfill. This is what the former pilot, Senator McCain, is proposing to do now.
        1. Gemar
          Gemar April 1 2013 18: 12 New
          +5
          Quote: Vadivak

          The main thing is that our terribly useful, but the American is not, flying on it is unhealthy, and those who survive after the flight are tormented by a strange cough,

          Yes, not a strange cough tormenting American F-22 pilots, but a smelly FART. It’s just a shame for them to cover this fact in the news, so the Americans decided to mask the shameful less dumb. lol
          I won’t be surprised if the F-35 pilots show massive strabismus after flights, coupled with uneven baldness ... wassat
      4. Armata
        Armata April 1 2013 17: 41 New
        +5
        Quote: Manager
        How do they look like bleating ???
        So that 5 generation. laughing Only different 5 generation. Different standards laughing
        1. queen
          queen April 1 2013 18: 26 New
          0
          Quote: Mechanic
          Quote: Manager
          How do they look like bleating ???
          So that 5 generation. laughing Only different 5 generation. Different standards laughing

          Hi Zhen .... I think he must be unique
          1. Armata
            Armata April 1 2013 18: 40 New
            +3
            Quote: regin
            Hi Zhen .... I think he must be unique
            Hi Volodya. Duck gliders at Yankov stands are made by both 5 generations. There is such an office for MOOG under-covers, so they ordered the former MO from them for the T50, and not with us. That's why for an inexperienced look, they are very similar.
            1. queen
              queen April 1 2013 23: 08 New
              0
              Quote: Mechanic
              That's why for an inexperienced look, they are very similar.

              they are different, you know)))) it happened so that we create a glider, the engine later, maybe for the better drinks
      5. Bronis
        Bronis April 2 2013 12: 07 New
        0
        Well, there are two wings, two engines, and there is a tail. Well, straight twins. laughing
    3. ATATA
      ATATA April 1 2013 15: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: awerkiev
      Externally, the F-22 Raptor is very similar

      Here you are. laughing
      1. awerkiev
        awerkiev April 1 2013 15: 24 New
        -5
        I consider that it is necessary to evaluate adequately! IF THERE IS SIMILARITY THAT IT IS! In addition, I clarified that EXTERNAL ... About the performance characteristics, and the dimensions I did not write a word ... If you did not notice a similar body geometry, then this is to the optometrist ...
        1. Manager
          Manager April 1 2013 16: 15 New
          +2
          Quote: awerkiev
          I consider that it is necessary to evaluate adequately! IF THERE IS SIMILARITY THAT IT IS! In addition, I clarified that EXTERNAL ... About the performance characteristics, and the dimensions I did not write a word ... If you did not notice a similar body geometry, then this is to the optometrist ...



          Like no more than a family of birds. The pigeon and the crow are similar too. They live in cities, the size is almost the same, and they both fly. But ЕПРСТ throw a stone at me who will say that Crow and Dove are similar ????
          1. awerkiev
            awerkiev April 1 2013 16: 40 New
            -6
            rather like a sparrow and a tent ... The dove and the crow are very different ...
          2. Vadivak
            Vadivak April 1 2013 16: 57 New
            +8
            Quote: Manager
            The pigeon and the crow are similar too.


            Right. However, the pigeon crow pecks because she has a mind and physical fitness
        2. Gemar
          Gemar April 1 2013 18: 26 New
          +4
          Quote: awerkiev
          similar body geometry

          belay Yoshkin body! Yitishkin blinker! belay
          And also our intelligence services, airbag and horn, stole from the Americans. Russian scientists reproduced this and installed it on the T-50. yes
          Quote: awerkiev
          IF THERE IS SIMILARITY THAT IT IS! To the same, I clarified that EXTERNAL

          - Does F-22 have PGO ??? No!
          - The diamond wing of the T-50 ??? No!
          - Are the engines f-22 apart? No!
          - Etc. etc.
          So where is the bastard resemblance? request According to your logic, we copied all the missiles from the Americans - but what, geometrically it looks like after all ...
          Quote: awerkiev
          About the performance characteristics, and the dimensions I did not write a word ...

          It’s you in vain ... Well, what would you have written - and we would have neighing ... wink
          Quote: awerkiev
          I consider that it is necessary to evaluate adequately!

          And why then climb with your comparisons ???
          1. spanchbob
            spanchbob April 2 2013 20: 05 New
            -5
            The engines on the t-50 are separated (forced) due to the braking parachute. It is already very large, but without it the braking distance ... but on American gliders it is used in critical situations. And because of this, the T-50 is more similar to the YF-23. The first Soviet missile (air-to-air) was copied in the 50s from an American missile that did not explode and was stuck in the body of a Chinese fighter.
    4. Parabelum
      Parabelum April 2 2013 09: 22 New
      0
      Nobody canceled aerodynamics, according to the statement of work, the most optimal form is this. Aerodynamics such aerodynamics ....
  7. Sochi
    Sochi April 1 2013 15: 02 New
    0
    He’s handsome damn ... but compared to the previous ones, Su has lost a little graceful predation and menacing ... he’s somehow more direct. Although, a matter of taste. The main thing is to be the best in efficiency!
    1. Nitup
      Nitup April 1 2013 15: 23 New
      0
      And on the contrary, I really like its flat profile. Gives some menacing, in my opinion.
  8. vadson
    vadson April 1 2013 15: 08 New
    0
    it’s good that we took into account the mistakes of f-22 - on earth they will learn to work humanly
    By the way, who is in the know, I don’t read the articles I write reviews everyone writes like T50 is second only to f-22 in aerial combat? what if not a secret?
    1. Nitup
      Nitup April 1 2013 15: 12 New
      +1
      But what can they believe, all scribblers, where can they borrow, who is inferior to whom? Moreover, ours has not yet passed all the tests with weapons, etc. And in general, it is designed not to make it worse than the American one, as it was often done in the USSR (but it usually turned out better), but, as it were, in perspective, the best plane in the world. This applies to all recent and future developments of military equipment. That’s what Putin and Rogozin say.
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts April 1 2013 15: 50 New
      0
      Nobody knows the real TTX F-22, nobody knows the real and target TTX T-50. All comparisons from the category "And if, yes if only ...". Experience shows that our planes are no worse. As the experience of pilots who conducted training battles with the aircraft of a potential enemy shows, the combination of the performance characteristics of domestic aircraft and the skill of the pilots gives the right to claim that our air force is better.
      1. patsantre
        patsantre April 1 2013 16: 06 New
        +7
        Quote: ImPerts
        that our air force is better.


        Believe it yourself, despite the fact that our Air Force has not been updated for almost 20 years, and they have the same 4 generation stuffed with modern stuffing and pilots have 3 times more air raids? (Recently in 2).
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts April 1 2013 16: 30 New
          +5
          I believe. You can go on about some and shout that all the polymers are spilled. But why? I’m not going to mark the corners in advance from fear. The park is being updated, modernization is underway. There is kerosene for flights. A raid is a gain.
          1. patsantre
            patsantre April 1 2013 19: 25 New
            +1
            And what’s the fear? You need to look the facts in the eye, and if you persistently overestimate your capabilities and naively believe that the enemy has done the finger like you do, nothing good will come of it. Your faith will not become stronger.
      2. Manager
        Manager April 1 2013 16: 18 New
        -6
        Quote: ImPerts
        As the experience of pilots who conducted training battles with aircraft of a potential enemy shows


        Give examples of such battles. So purely for the sake of curiosity. (Just do not need me to give examples from Battlefeeld 3 =)))
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts April 1 2013 16: 39 New
          +2
          http://blog.kp.ru/users/adpilot/post263485526/
  9. Stiletto
    Stiletto April 1 2013 15: 11 New
    0
    A beautiful, powerful, proud aircraft. Just a sight for sore eyes! Oh, how impatient it is to look after a break-in !!!
  10. Misantrop
    Misantrop April 1 2013 15: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: vadson
    what if not a secret?

    In two things. He is Russian and costs less laughing
  11. HAM
    HAM April 1 2013 15: 24 New
    0
    [quote = awerkiev] Outwardly with the F-22 “Raptor” is very similar [/
    something is not visible so that americos flew on snowy weather
    1. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 15: 40 New
      +9
      Guys, I start screaming in tantrums ... EXTERNAL .. And in general, mine, mine! branded minuses laughing
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe April 1 2013 17: 09 New
        +4
        Quote: awerkiev
        . And generally mine, mine! branded minuses

        Ahh, gave up? Maladets, but he looks like he’s drinks
    2. ImPerts
      ImPerts April 1 2013 15: 55 New
      +1
      For so many years, they have hidden him in dark corners and are afraid to show that he really stands. Although there were plenty of opportunities.
      "I am tormented by vague doubts ..." - one famous movie character used to say winked
    3. Burbulator
      Burbulator April 1 2013 17: 36 New
      +3
      In Alaska, the F-22 unit is deployed.
      And the snow is there - by me ... knee-deep.
      Is not it?
  12. krokodil25
    krokodil25 April 1 2013 15: 31 New
    +2
    Recently looked at f-22 impressed bird is not an example of fu-35.



    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus April 1 2013 15: 56 New
      +4
      Honestly, the Raptor was not impressed. And not because he is American. It’s just that our machines of the previous generation make rings more abruptly than this gold bar. As for the "Golden Eagle", this is a purely experimental aircraft for testing technologies. And the development of this concept further slows down only the lack of materials that can withstand the stresses that arise in the structural elements of this type. At the moment, these disadvantages negate all the advantages of a wing with a reverse sweep.
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 April 1 2013 16: 01 New
        0
        In no case did I want to belittle either 50 or sous 47 I just said that I liked the bird
      2. patsantre
        patsantre April 1 2013 16: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        It’s just that our machines of the previous generation make rings more abruptly than this gold bar.


        Do you need a plane to make a plane, or to fight?)
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus April 1 2013 16: 58 New
          +2
          Quote: patsantre
          Do you need a plane to make a plane, or to fight?)

          Kolenza is maneuverability in close combat, and it’s naive to hope that air combat will cost only over-the-horizon missile launch.
          1. patsantre
            patsantre April 1 2013 19: 26 New
            +2
            Maneuverability can come in handy, I don’t argue, but judging by your comment, you don’t look at anything besides it. Counting that maneuverability decides everything is naive.
            1. lewerlin53rus
              lewerlin53rus April 2 2013 00: 44 New
              0
              Quote: patsantre
              , you do not look at anything besides her
              But in this video, nothing else is shown. request
              1. patsantre
                patsantre April 3 2013 16: 39 New
                0
                Then they would have written - in terms of maneuverability, the raptor was not impressed)
    2. dmitreach
      dmitreach April 1 2013 17: 23 New
      +7

      you can see how elegantly and without strains the laws of gravity and aerodynamics are violated .....
      Cada Crap_tor will depict something close, then we’ll talk about avionics and thrust-weight ratio, but for now. unlike Su - this is a flying CRAP.
      1. dmitreach
        dmitreach April 1 2013 17: 40 New
        +6

        In the third minute, the drying computer caught a bug and the plane “crashed” glued to the cloud ...
        and in the second minute - a flat corkscrew.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair April 1 2013 21: 15 New
          +4
          Quote: dmitreach
          In the third minute, the drying computer caught a bug and the plane “crashed” glued to the cloud ...
          and in the second minute - a flat corkscrew.
          Bravo, Russian pilot! And the airplane is the envy of pilots all over the world ....
        2. alex popov
          alex popov April 2 2013 10: 43 New
          +1
          Super video !!!!!! U-turn "on the spot" is generally out of the comment !!!! Awesome car! Cool pilot !!!!!!!!!
      2. RUS-36
        RUS-36 April 1 2013 19: 21 New
        +2
        I looked 100 times at our handsome man and every time fascinates .... and I will still look ... The beauty of Strength and Power.
      3. Wedmak
        Wedmak April 2 2013 08: 55 New
        +1
        you can see how elegantly and without strains the laws of gravity and aerodynamics are violated .....

        Well, about breaking the law, you turned it down. All according to the laws, just the design of the aircraft and engines allows you to fly at supercritical angles of attack. And in order to fly like that, the pilot must generally be from God.
  13. Nitup
    Nitup April 1 2013 15: 46 New
    +1
    Someone says that he looks like f-22. Yes, indeed, there are similarities. But, I think that this is due to certain requirements for 5th generation aircraft. As if the planes of previous generations were not at all alike.
    1. Sleptsoff
      Sleptsoff April 1 2013 16: 20 New
      -7
      But it is worth noting that the amers were the first to apply a similar glider scheme for a plane of the 5th knee, and all other countries have already begun to copy. The same crap with drones. Like it or not, amers are pioneers in aviation, whether you like it or not.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup April 1 2013 17: 02 New
        +3
        Well, yes, of course, the F-15 is not a copy of the MiG-25, and the F-35 is completely different from the Yak-141, and our American "pioneers" hijacked our planes just like that, to look closer at how beautiful they are.
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak April 1 2013 17: 50 New
          0
          [
          Quote: Nitup
          Well, yes, of course, and the F-15 is not a copy of the MiG-25
          Of course, aircraft with completely different characteristics and purpose. And the F-15 made its first flight 4 years before the hijacking of the MiG-25
          1. Nitup
            Nitup April 1 2013 18: 31 New
            0
            Well, how does he look like they knew before the hijacking. And after the hijacking, they got access to everything that is needed. The fact that aircraft have different characteristics and purpose does not mean that similar solutions cannot be used in them.
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 2 2013 04: 17 New
            +1
            Quote: Burel
            And the F-15 made its first flight 4 years before the hijacking of the MiG-25

            This is what you can say on American sites, in real F 15 a clean copy
            1. Ruslan67
              Ruslan67 April 2 2013 04: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              in real F 15 blank copy

              Not clean but vile sleep burnt negative hi
            2. Windbreak
              Windbreak April 2 2013 12: 20 New
              0
              On Russian sites, that is what airwar.ru/enc/fighter/f15.html says. And better pay attention to the F-15 climb records in 1975 (a year before the theft).
  14. erased
    erased April 1 2013 16: 04 New
    0
    There would be 300-400 of them and it would be nice!
  15. DimYang
    DimYang April 1 2013 16: 13 New
    +6
    It would be very stupid and shortsighted to underestimate the f-22. This is really a very good plane. The well-known drawback is the price, but why look into someone else’s pocket. Our fifth generation also lacks the main one, the fact that they are not yet in the right amount and time for us to spare. Although the fact that we do not stand still can not but rejoice.
    1. DEfindER
      DEfindER April 1 2013 16: 32 New
      0
      If it were not for the years of oblivion from 91 to 2000, we would have long had squadrons of such birds. And now I’m glad that we are waking up .. And the F-22 has been really being worked on for 20 years, I think they will eventually bring it to mind ..
  16. gabatikuk
    gabatikuk April 1 2013 16: 34 New
    +2
    I think that everything will be ok, ours are catching up already lost,
  17. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 1 2013 16: 38 New
    +1
    Quote: Manager
    Give examples of such battles.

    "... We listened to his story, drinking vodka with an unusual Asian flavor, and eating candy with cookies.
    ... Together with then still Major Karabasov, his wingman, and a group of commanders, they flew to America on a pair of combat training fighter Su-27UB. ... At the same time, the Americans themselves demonstrated a demonstration battle in mid-air .... Probably, it is not worthwhile to tell everyone in detail the well-known fact that then our pilots, when jointly conducting several air demonstration battles, cleaned up the best overseas aces. The superiority of domestic technology and the flight skills of our couple was so impressive that the American "eagles" stopped smiling and giving a hand when they met on the ground. ... "
    http://topwar.ru/13917-hotel-privrat-da-ne-smog.html
    You will find in more detail yourself.
  18. MY THOUGHT
    MY THOUGHT April 1 2013 16: 41 New
    -1
    yes, flew! wake up when our "patriots" will give the Chinese to copy, in the wake of su - 35s recourse
    1. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 17: 04 New
      +3
      uuuuuuu))) schA you minuses to throw awesome! Here objectivity is not very recognized)))
      1. MY THOUGHT
        MY THOUGHT April 1 2013 21: 10 New
        -1
        Quote: awerkiev
        Here objectivity is not very recognized)))

        Everything is like in the army! Lick your ass, wake up the general, say that in fact, wake up the captain wink
  19. Perchik
    Perchik April 1 2013 17: 04 New
    -8
    And I don’t really like the design, they did a little tadpole.
    Disproportionately long nose, eye cutting.
    The cabin should be closer to the wings, in this respect the Raptor is just a beautiful sweetie. But it tastes and color :)

    Let it fly :)
  20. Nitup
    Nitup April 1 2013 17: 23 New
    -11
    During a recent visit to Moscow, Xi Jinping signed a contract for the supply to China by 2017 of 4 PAK FA aircraft with second-stage engines and another 4 Su-35S.
    1. arnulla
      arnulla April 1 2013 18: 42 New
      +4
      From the first of April ...)))
    2. Gemar
      Gemar April 1 2013 18: 50 New
      0
      Quote: Nitup
      a contract for the supply to China by 2017 of 4 PAK FA aircraft with engines of the second stage and another 4 Su-35S.

      Firstly, the Su-35S is only for the Russian Air Force.
      Secondly, the engines of the second stage by 2017. will not be ready, unfortunately.
      Thirdly, minus the troll, minus the PM, blacklisted, comrade Putin, on the contrary. negative
  21. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 1 2013 17: 31 New
    -2
    Handsome snub-nosed. The view from the bottom is generally impressive. I think it will not be brought to the series. Most likely it is a passage. Something new will surprise. It will be like an experimental model. And in a series of his modification will go. But still beautiful!
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 1 2013 19: 31 New
      +1
      What nonsense, everything new in it is already embodied. Read more news, in my opinion no one has any doubt that he will be in the series.
  22. APOCALIPTIC
    APOCALIPTIC April 1 2013 17: 42 New
    -18
    And already eat two rusty pipes which are in full swing for radars in general for the 5-th generation lol
  23. svp67
    svp67 April 1 2013 18: 36 New
    +2
    Quote: APOCALIPTIC
    And already eat two rusty pipes which are in full swing for radars in general for the 5-th generation lol



    Sir! Envy in silence ...
  24. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK April 1 2013 18: 58 New
    +1
    The similarity of the planes is externally explained by the laws of aerodynamics. But for such a handsome man as the S-37 (Su-47), the time has not come yet. Experiments on the reverse sweep of the wing were also KB Mig (MiG-8 1945) and in Sweden, the concern SAAB (Wiggen plane) but everything rests on the strength of the structure of the airframe and wing experiencing extreme dynamic loads more precisely in the strength of the materials used in the construction of the aircraft ..
  25. RUS-36
    RUS-36 April 1 2013 19: 13 New
    0
    And now they would have to increase their park by a factor of 3 ..... Handsome - STRENGTH
    1. patsantre
      patsantre April 1 2013 19: 32 New
      -5
      3 times - is it up to 12 aircraft chtol? Oh yes, with 12 aircraft you can conquer half the world.
      You think that write.
      1. Nitup
        Nitup April 1 2013 19: 49 New
        +1
        most likely, he meant the park planned before 2020.
    2. APOCALIPTIC
      APOCALIPTIC April 1 2013 20: 36 New
      -2
      , We’ll navigate with 12 aircraft, well, to hell with it, let's increase the park 4 times winked
  26. Alexey M
    Alexey M April 1 2013 19: 58 New
    +2
    Russian realities once advertise and praise is not casual. Skok golden eagle was taken to exhibitions and boasted to him that he was recognized as interesting but unpromising. Since the wing from the composite works only until the first hit, it collapses there. And the new one in PAKFA does not hurt a lot. Stealth technology lope years? The phased radar also came up with a rejected thrust vector not yesterday. So, most of the achievements of the Soviet era. This is not bad, this is the course of life, the idea must be taken out to give birth and to nourish. PAKFA has collected the best in 30 years of world aircraft manufacturing. But the revolutionary technique that was invented in 2000 we will see in metal in 20 years. So in vain curse and put the cons.
  27. Ro-man
    Ro-man April 1 2013 20: 02 New
    0
    And I want to see his super-maneuverability .... At one time, the Su-27 was surprised by the “Cobra”, then the Su-37 by the “Frolov Chakra” and the same “Cobra” but with a wide angle ... What do you think, the T-50 will be what to surprise or everything has already been invented for this type of aircraft?
    1. Nitup
      Nitup April 1 2013 23: 19 New
      +1
      I don’t know specifically, but Sergei Bogdan said in an interview that the T-50 would be even more maneuverable than the SU-35.
  28. darksoul
    darksoul April 1 2013 20: 30 New
    0
    Are able to do our military equipment, Su27, MiG29, Su-35 are now T-50 .... very beautiful cars ..... pleasing to the eye
  29. toldanger
    toldanger April 1 2013 20: 47 New
    0
    Beautiful machine! We are waiting for her in a series!
  30. druidcat
    druidcat April 1 2013 22: 55 New
    0
    Russian engineering thought knows no barriers. Beautiful plane.
  31. Hius-124
    Hius-124 April 1 2013 23: 20 New
    +1
    Well, WHEN already ??? !!!! am I want to be proud !!! Including: count in combat units !!! yes
  32. shpuntik
    shpuntik April 1 2013 23: 37 New
    +1
    Something tells me, but didn’t the Americans have a glider design whistled in times of dashing? It really hurts with “Rapt” to be similar ... Considering our lag by 20 years, and the fact that we started working from scratch, it just so happens. It is evident that someone pushed the blueprints at the time. But ours is more beautiful in appearance, graceful, not even visible to a specialist.
    1. Nitup
      Nitup April 2 2013 01: 08 New
      +1
      In our country, it seems, the 5th generation fighter was designed by the MiG-1.44 and S-37, but the F-22 is not similar to them.
  33. Fraid
    Fraid April 2 2013 00: 06 New
    0
    Do not tell me how much it is planned to buy T-50 in units and Su-35s in units in the Army?
  34. ikrut
    ikrut April 2 2013 02: 43 New
    +1
    Cool birds !!!!
    He read all the comments and waited for everyone - maybe someone will say, but where is the 52nd? Why is it not visible? 51, 53. 54 - is, and 52 - where? What is being tested on it? Can anyone know?
  35. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 2 2013 08: 53 New
    0
    Quote: patsantre
    And what’s the fear? You need to look the facts in the eye, and if you persistently overestimate your capabilities and naively believe that the enemy has done the finger like you do, nothing good will come of it. Your faith will not become stronger.

    Somewhere I already heard it ... Yes, and in 41, realists suggested surrendering, and pessimists already gave up.
    Or maybe not rock the boat and, as suggested, become a small peaceful country, within the framework of the Moscow Principality? We cannot oppose NATe.
    I remember one grandfather - an academician, to the question of her granddaughter: "And what to do with high-tech things that fly in space?" Grandfather replied that if two buckets of bolts and nuts were dumped in orbit on two mutually orthogonal trajectories, then the entire satellite constellation would be massively accelerated. Unfortunately, nationality will not be understood either. And how will all the tricked things work? And the connection? After all, you have to remember how to work with a paper card ?!
    Tricked out things are good, but they should work. I buy a mobile for certain purposes, and not to shock others and to brag to girlfriends.
    Let's face the facts:
    "... In 1995, General Joseph Ralston, commander of tactical aviation of the US Air Force, defending Congress for the urgent need for the United States in the program of the newest (and very expensive!) F-22 fighter, bluntly stated:" No intelligence is needed in order to to state the superiority of the Su-27 over the F-15 in maneuverability and thrust-weight ratio. " And this is not a pose at all when "extorting" additional allocations from the US Congress to certain military programs, but an established fact ... "
    “Dry” in “battles”
    A. Yavorsky “Aviation and Cosmonautics No. 5 2006”
    http://www.airwar.ru/history/locwar/xussr/su_fight/su_fight.html
    And in the dry residue. There is a formidable prodigy, huge cost and poorly adapted to war. And about the 3 and 4 generation aircraft, it is written in the article. I especially liked the mention of the method of warfare in the Soviet style.
  36. Rus_87
    Rus_87 April 2 2013 08: 54 New
    0
    Guys, but no one knows how our amers called the T-50? Well, they always give our names their names, such as Flanker, Foxbet, etc.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 2 2013 11: 06 New
      +1
      Firefox kinda.
  37. Wedmak
    Wedmak April 2 2013 08: 58 New
    0
    It is interesting to compare the impressions of an airplane when it is on the earth and in the sky. On earth, as if awkward, reluctantly crawling. In the sky .... handsome! good
  38. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 2 2013 11: 02 New
    0
    Hellraiser (Hellraiser) is a good NATO name. With meaning.
  39. VVooVVaa
    VVooVVaa April 2 2013 11: 41 New
    +1
    And how rockets are hiding in his wings. Did they look too roomy? what
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak April 2 2013 15: 17 New
      +2
      Do not hide in the wings. Missiles are hidden in 2 compartments between the air intakes. And there are two more small ones at the root of the wing.
      Like this:

  40. svp67
    svp67 April 2 2013 14: 26 New
    0
    Quote: VVooVVaa
    And how rockets are hiding in his wings. Did they look too roomy? what


    Duc, in the fuselage womb there is a place ...
  41. avkeys
    avkeys April 2 2013 17: 52 New
    0
    In my opinion - the most beautiful fighter in the world! (Well, of course, except for the 27th series)
  42. pinecone
    pinecone April 2 2013 18: 47 New
    +1
    The famous LII named after Gromov should be part of the Ministry of Defense, and not belong to some unknown shareholders.
  43. Manitoo
    Manitoo April 2 2013 20: 17 New
    0
    Quote: patsantre
    Quote: ImPerts
    that our air force is better.


    Believe it yourself, despite the fact that our Air Force has not been updated for almost 20 years, and they have the same 4 generation stuffed with modern stuffing and pilots have 3 times more air raids? (Recently in 2).

    It is not entirely correct to compare pilots in different countries, because records are kept in different ways, if I’m not mistaken, records are kept from the moment of take-off of the aircraft until the time of landing, and in the United States from the moment the pilot loads his ass in the seat of the plane and until the moment of unloading, if not correct.
  44. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa April 3 2013 12: 54 New
    +3
    Quote: regin
    hedgehog most))

    Thank you for the video! Aviation May children's dream. My father was a pilot, I love airplanes so far. Dreamed of flying, not enough health. With tal sailor. But I still respect the military men: they are special people! May God grant them health and happiness!
  45. Romn
    Romn April 3 2013 13: 03 New
    +2
    Insanely beautiful car, most likely would be mass production!)
  46. Kostya pedestrian
    Kostya pedestrian April 3 2013 14: 03 New
    0
    Here the topic for discussion is endless. But it’s interesting, depending on what modern pilots squeeze out of their combat vehicles, the opinion of our aces of the Great Patriotic War. For them, such piloting is likely that for us piloting a UFO. It’s unrealistic to look - cars make turns as if in zero gravity! Cars - 5+!
  47. Fraid
    Fraid 11 June 2013 16: 10 New
    0
    Quote: Nevsky

    Su-35 (27) is the most beautiful in its class / generation.
    A T-50 in his wink
  48. Fraid
    Fraid 11 June 2013 16: 41 New
    0
    Quote: Manager
    47


    Go out onto the track of Formula 1 and start likewise convincing everyone before losing consciousness
    that the cars are not similar to each other. Arguing their point of view with those supposedly
    for Mercedes mclaren in engines, this and that, for Renault and Ferarri in the suspension there and there
    and write a bunch of things. They will agree with you in the parameters, but as soon as you insist that the fireballs of the teams are NOT similar to each other, you will also ask to throw a stone at you to refute .... guy, I don’t envy you))) Only I would be a cobblestone you blew the head off for myopia dodged in stupidity;)

    Again. Nobody says that the last generation aircraft in the USA and RUSSIA are the same, no one! People see the similarity of the design, the corners of the tails, stealth sections of the hulls and other things. But the vocabulary of the words “similar” and “identical” in Russian is not available to you. Alas :)