Warriors of the original Rus'

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Warriors of the original Rus'
"The Calling of the Varangians" is a painting by the Russian artist Viktor Vasnetsov, painted in 1909. It depicts the Varangians as he imagined them. V. M. Vasnetsov House Museum in Moscow


The Varangians have damask swords and sharp arrows,
They inflict death without failing the enemy,
Brave people of midnight countries
Their God Odin is great, the sea is gloomy.




Words from the "Song of the Varangian Guest" from the opera "Sadko" by N. Rimsky-Korsakov.


Of stories Our Fatherland... What did the warriors of the original Rus look like, the very one described in our chronicles dating back to the 9th century? First, let's look at the written sources. For example, the Tale of Bygone Years records the following:

In the year 6370 [862 by modern chronology]… They went overseas to the Varangians, to the Rus. Those Varangians were called Rus, as others are called Swedes, and others Normans and Angles, and still others Goths - so and these. The Chud, Slavs, Krivichi and Ves said to the Rus: "Our land is great and abundant, but there is no order in it. Come and reign and rule over us." And three brothers with their clans were elected, and they took with them all of Rus, and came first of all to the Slavs. And they founded the city of Ladoga. And the eldest, Rurik, sat in Ladoga, and the second, Sineus, on White Lake, and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk. And the Russian land was named after those Varangians.

According to the Novgorod First Chronicle:

They went across the sea to the Varangians and said: “Our land is great and rich, but we have no order; let you come to us to reign and rule over us.” Three brothers from their families were chosen, and they took with them a large and wondrous retinue, and they came to Novgorod. And the elders sat in Novgorod, his name was Rurik; and others sat on Beloozero, Sineus; and a third in Izborsk, his name was Truvor. And from these the Varangians, their discoverer, were called Rus.

According to the Pskov Third Chronicle:

In the year 6370. The Slavs and Krivitsas and Chud and Merya rose up against the Varangians, and drove them beyond the sea and did not give them tribute, and began to rule over themselves and build cities. And there was no justice among them, they rose up, and there was civil war among them. And the kingdom of Michael the King of the Greeks and his mother the Queen Theodora, who preached icon worship. The Slavs and Chud sent to the Varangians to Rus across the sea, and thus spoke to the Varangians: Our whole land is good, but there is no order in it; go and reign and rule over us and judge the truth. And three brothers with their families were chosen from the Varangians from the Germans: Rurik and Sineus and Trivor; and Rurik sat in Novgorod, and Sineus on Beloozero, and Trivor in Slovensk.

Now we will not argue about whether this was the "very calling of the Varangians" or a later insertion. It is obvious that it was or not, but the Slavs in any case met the Varangians on their land, that they traded with them, supplied them with watercraft for the journey to Constantinople, and perhaps even sailed there with them. And why in this case would they not have hired a Varangian squad along with its earl or konung for more successful "communication" with their neighbors?


It is possible that this is what the legendary Rurik looked like, who became the founder of the Rurik dynasty in the Slavic lands. He looks like a typical Viking, a Norman. He is dressed in chain mail, and in his hands he holds an axe - his favorite weapon "northern people" and a helmet with a half mask, riveted from four segments. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and "Silver Ladya".


Sineus - Rurik's brother, ruler in Beloozero (862) Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and EK Castings

Well, based on these written sources, it is quite possible to conclude that in 862, three Varangian brothers with their squads came to the Slavic lands and began to reign in three cities, and the Slavs themselves invited them. It is clear that the first warriors existed in the Slavic lands before that. In particular, the Russian historian V. O. Klyuchevsky wrote that a powerful military alliance of Slavic tribes arose in the XNUMXth century in the Carpathians to fight Byzantium, the nomadic Avars (Obres), who "tormented" the southern Slavs, and then the Khazar Khaganate, which arose in the XNUMXth century in the south of Eastern Europe. However, the Varangian warriors were undoubtedly better armed, and they were successful in military affairs.

Most likely, they were the first professional warriors of our state. Moreover, warriors who obtained weapons for themselves in campaigns in the countries of Western Europe, where the "northern people" seized all sorts of trophies, and only after that they came to us, as well as to Byzantium, where they served in the Varangian guard of the Byzantine emperors.

So, although in modern historical science there are diametrically opposed opinions regarding the "calling of the Varangians": some say that it happened, others claim that it is an offensive fiction for us, Russians. In this case, we are only interested in the fact that the Varangians on the lands of the Slavs... were. And that they were good warriors, who were in the princely squads of all the ancient Russian princes.


And the "soldiers" are also good because there can be not one, but many of the same figures depicting Prince Rurik - from different manufacturers and in different scales. This Rurik, for example, looks completely different... Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and EK Castings

What did the Varangian warriors who were hired into Russian service look like? There are no descriptions of their equipment and clothing. The chroniclers did not consider it important enough to describe it. But... miniature figurines of "little soldiers" depicting the warriors of those years will come to our aid. They were created by sculptors - masters of their craft, and each such figurine is the result of painstaking research, so that to a large extent, what they show us can be completely trusted! So today we will get acquainted with what Russian warriors of the mid-9th century looked like, and who they were - visiting Varangian mercenaries or our own locals, in principle, is not so important. What is important is that they walked on our land and were buried with weapons in burial mounds!

First of all, their round shield with a diameter of about 90 cm catches the eye. In the center of it was placed an umbo (metal hemisphere) to protect the hand holding the shield by the handle. Linden wood was used as the material for its manufacture, and the shield itself was also covered with leather on the outside. The edge of the shield was also reinforced with leather or metal. Scandinavian sagas often say that they were often painted in different colors, with each color taking up either half or a quarter of the shield. The most popular color was red. However, there could also be black, yellow, white, less often green or blue. There is evidence that mythological scenes and animals (the same dragons), multi-colored stripes, a "chessboard" and even Christian crosses were also depicted on the shields. Thus, 64 shields found during the excavations of the famous "Gokstad ship" were yellow and black.


Viking with a four-piece shield. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and EK Castings

The Scandinavians of that time loved to express themselves in flowery terms, and were also great lovers of poetic metaphors – kennings*, so it is not surprising that they gave their shields memorable names, although it is quite possible that in the sagas this was only a poetic device. Thus, the shields “Victory Board”, “Net of Spears” (the spear in turn was called “Shield Fish”), “War Linden”, “Battle Sun”, “Wall of Hilds” (“Wall of Valkyries”), “Country of Arrows” are known.


"Gjormundbu Helmet". It is considered a typical Norman Viking helmet. It dates back to the late 9th - early 10th century. It is forged from four iron plates in the shape of a cauldron with a ridge at the top. The "glasses" served to protect the eyes and nose when struck in the face. Also, a chainmail was attached to the back of the helmet to protect the neck (partially preserved). Museum of Cultural History, Oslo


Viking in a "Gjormundbu Helmet". Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and Mercury Models


Viking with a shield depicting a winged dragon. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and Mercury Models

Viking helmets were not given such pompous names, although King Adils' helmet, for example, was called the "Battle Boar". They had a simple hemispherical or conical shape, and some of them had half masks that protected the nose and eyes, or a simple nasal guard in the form of a rectangular metal plate. At the same time, some helmets were decorated with eyebrow arches trimmed with copper and silver. Before battle, helmets were often painted to make it easier to "distinguish friend from foe", or a special "battle sign" was painted on them for the same purpose.


A typical Viking Age chainmail. They have not survived to this day in their entirety, but similar ones were produced for centuries. Weight 9869 g. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The usual name for chainmail was "ring shirt", although it could also be given poetic names: "Blue Shirt", "Battle Cloak", "Battle Canvas", "Arrow Net". On most Viking chainmails that have come down to us, the ends of the rings are brought together and overlap each other, but they are not fastened to each other. Such a simple technology allowed for their manufacture to be significantly accelerated, so among the Vikings, chainmail was by no means something out of the ordinary, although at the very beginning, as in other places, only the wealthiest people could afford this type of protection.


Viking of the 9th century in chainmail and helmet with chainmail shoulder guard (aventail). Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and Seil Models

Early chainmail had short sleeves and reached the hips or knees, since the Vikings were not only warriors, but also rowers on sail-and-oar ships, where they rowed with long oars, sitting on benches or each on his own wooden chest. It is clear that long chainmail would have been simply inconvenient for such work, but by the 11th century the length of some examples had increased significantly. Thus, King Harald Hardrada's chainmail reached mid-calf and was so strong that "no weapon could tear it."


Viking with a spear, dressed in a leather "quilted jacket", 9th-10th centuries. The image of a winding cross on a shield was a popular motif among the northerners. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and Miles Publius

They also wore “quilted jackets” made of leather and lined with wool, which were very durable, and many warriors were armed only with what they could carry on themselves, that is, they had a sax knife, an axe, and a shield.


Northern Earl ('Sea King') with an expensive sword with a gilded hilt. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and EK Castings


Viking sword hilt with copper and silver wire inlay. Similar swords have been repeatedly found in burials in Russia and even at the bottom of its rivers. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York

The Scandinavians' favorite weapon was swords, for which they came up with many colorful names: "Odin's Flame", "Snake of Wounds", "Snake of Chainmail", "Flame of Shields" and even such a fanciful one as "Causing Damage to the Battle Canvas". However, other names are also known, which are somewhat more understandable to us. For example, "Bjarni the Biter", "Long and Sharp", "Golden Hilt" and even... "Leg-Bite", which directly indicates the wounds that were inflicted with its help.

It is interesting that the Normans got their best blades in France, and their craftsmen equipped them with ornate handles made of metal, bone, horn and walrus tusks, while many metal handles were decorated with gold, silver and copper. At the same time, the simplest handle could well be made of wood and covered with leather. Inlaid blades, with inscriptions and patterns laid out on them, were about 80-90 cm long, double-edged or single-edged. In both cases, to reduce weight, they were equipped with a longitudinal groove from the tip to the handle.


Varangian in Russian service, 9th–10th centuries. He really did loot! The scabbard on the back is also richly decorated. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio, Pegaso Models, Italy

The scabbard was always made of wood and covered with leather. From the inside, they were also covered with leather, waxed cloth or sheepskin and oiled to protect the blade from rust. Usually, the sword is attached to the belt of the Vikings vertically, but it is worth noting that a horizontal position of the sword on the belt is more suitable for a rower, as it is more convenient for him.


Battle axe of the Scandinavians, 18,7th-19,1th centuries. Inlay made of silver wire. Length 520 cm, width XNUMX cm, weight XNUMX g. Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York


Viking with a long-handled axe, 793 g. It was only possible to fight with such an axe by throwing the shield behind the back. Manufacturers: Silver Dream and Studio and Andrea Miniatures, Italy

The Vikings also held wide-bladed axes on long handles, which had to be held with both hands, in high esteem. A blow from such an axe could cut through a shield and chain mail, but required a free swing. Therefore, it was inconvenient to use them in formation. The axe's web, that is, the part between the butt and the blade, was often covered with silver wire inlay, meaning that this weapon was far from simple!


Scandinavian skier. As has been confirmed by archaeological finds, the Viking Varangians were not only sailors, but also good skiers! Their skis were shorter than modern ones, but somewhat wider and were secured to the feet with leather straps. Without a doubt, in the conditions of snowy Russian winters, the visiting Varangians often used such skis. Manufacturers: Silver Dream Studio and Mercury Models

*A kenning is a special kind of metaphor in skaldic poetry, usually consisting of two nouns, which was used to replace the usual name of some object or person.

P.S. The author and the site administration thank the management of Silver Dream Studio for the provided photographs.
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  1. +8
    April 5 2025 04: 41
    The inlaid blades, with inscriptions and patterns laid out on them, were approximately 80-90 cm long, double-edged or single-edged. In both cases, to reduce weight, they were equipped with a longitudinal groove from the tip to the handle.

    The groove is called "dol". The weight of the sword, contrary to popular belief, has never exceeded 1,5 kg (except for two-handed ones).
    1. +2
      April 5 2025 04: 49
      Good morning!
      The groove and fuller on a cold weapon are needed mainly not to reduce weight, but to make it possible to remove a sword or knife from the body of a defeated enemy.
      Now to the miniatures - in one word - awesome!!!!!!!!
      Thanks Vyacheslav!
      Good day comrades!!!
      1. +10
        April 5 2025 06: 22
        Precisely for relief.
        People in the 9th century were not stupid, and they knew perfectly well that the length does not affect the extraction.

        And to Shpakovsky separately, a helmet with glasses, this is not a typical helmet, but a status one.

        How sick are the late Russian helmets with half masks, or nomadic ones with anthropomorphic ones separately.
      2. +16
        April 5 2025 08: 50
        in one word - awesome!!!!!!!!

        And I am disappointed. The article itself has no educational value - just fun for the eyes. Another dance with tambourines around the figurines produced by Silver Dream Studio and Mercury Models. This time, figurines of Vikings. I wonder what connection these figurines have with the title of this article "Warriors of the original Rus"? Apparently the author believes that there was no one to fight in the original Rus except the Scandinavians.
        In short, another "author's masterpiece" with beautiful pictures and brief author's comments to them in the style of elementary school. Like:
        -Here is a Scandinavian skier. Yes, the Vikings-Varangians were not only sailors, but also good skiers!
        -And here is a Varangian in Russian service with the loot, - Yes, he really robbed, he really robbed! (c)

        Unfortunately, the author either ran out of writing or found another "long-playing topic" - posting and commenting on Silver Dream Studio and Mercury Models figures. And with their assortment, this can be done endlessly.
        1. +7
          April 5 2025 17: 52
          Dmitry, good evening!
          The author probably gets his percentage for advertising Silver Dream Studio and EK Castings products. laughing
          1. +4
            April 5 2025 19: 29
            Good evening, Alexander!
            You've been a rare guest on VO lately. Did you, like me, buy into the loud title of the article?
        2. +6
          April 6 2025 03: 23
          I agree almost completely. Passing off children's toys as historical material is at least immoral, no references to sources, except for the name of the company that made these figures. In this way, any cartoon about Vikings can be considered an encyclopedia of Viking life! Primitive.
      3. +6
        April 5 2025 08: 52
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        the dol on a cold weapon is needed mainly not for weight reduction
        Also to increase cruelty when bending, and to reduce weight too...
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        to be able to remove a sword or knife from the body of a defeated enemy
        How can a dol facilitate the removal of a cold weapon from the body of a defeated enemy?
        1. +2
          April 5 2025 09: 18
          How can a dol facilitate the removal of a cold weapon from the body of a defeated enemy?

          "And it was like this" - it should be correctly called - "blood flow" - when blood flows through it, it lubricates the sword and it is easier, with the lubricant, to remove it from the defeated enemy.
          Don't argue with Shpakovsky, he "doesn't make anything up."
        2. +5
          April 5 2025 09: 53
          How can a dol facilitate the removal of a cold weapon from the body of a defeated enemy?

          No way. On the contrary, it is easier to pull out a fullerless blade - in its case, the friction force will be less than that of a blade with a fuller, since the fuller itself increases the friction area.
          to increase the rigidity during bending, and to reduce weight too...

          Not only that, Nikolay. When forging a blade, the thin blade and the thick spine of the blade heat up and cool down unevenly. The fullers equalize the temperature conditions, reducing the weight of the thick part of the blade.
  2. +7
    April 5 2025 05: 12
    Quote: V. Shpakovsky
    What did the Varangian warriors who were hired into Russian service look like?
    The author needed to provide a little background: what ethnic origin did the Varangians have in the 9th century and what is “Rus” and the “Russian” service that follows from it? wink
  3. +4
    April 5 2025 06: 07
    All these tales appeared exclusively by order of the childless Elizabeth, striving by any means to continue the dynasty, albeit with the involvement of all sorts of Karl Ulrich Holstein-Gottorp (he became Peter III), in whom there was very little from the Romanovs. In order to justify the new coming, some historians like Tatishchev were instructed in advance to describe that in the 9th century everything was the same, there were wild Slavs who ate each other, and if it were not for the calling of the Great Rurikovichs in the face of the Varangians under the shadow of the Supergod Odin, the Slavs would have disappeared long ago. Tatishchev immediately dug up from somewhere previously unknown to anyone "Ioakimov Chronicle", which no one knew about before, almost all other chronicles of the pre-Varangian time were immediately destroyed by "German historians" who settled in the Academy of Sciences, and the Ioakimov Chronicle too in the original it was buried, and now exists mainly in the presentation of that same Tatishchev. According to it, a certain Guest with meaning (Gostomysl) who appeared from nowhere among the leadership of the Slavic tribes invited the husband of one of his daughters Rurik with his brothers to rule the Slavs. He did not refuse. Most likely, everything was not so. There were Varangians, and most likely from the Baltic branch of the Slavs, who adopted the traditions of the Vikings, they were invited in the form of squads to protect those first princes, about whom almost no legends have survived (if you believe Tatishchev, then there were such princes as Burivoy, Vandal, not to mention Sloven and Rus, all in different centuries. And almost everything is about them) So in the 9th century there was the first weakening of power due to childlessness in the male line of the Slavic princes. Well, the good Varangians did not fail to take advantage of this (wasn't it the same in the Roman Empire?), taking the place of princes with their leaders in some proud, of which there were few in Rus' at that time. Justification for this quite ordinary and everyday matter for those times was discovered by Tatishchev centuries later in a certain Joachim Chronicle, or rather, as many write, this chronicle was written by Tatishchev himself (well, he was not a man, he knew how to compose chronicles, and the fact that it does not coincide with Nestor in places is the misfortune of Nestor himself. Until the beginning of the 20th century, this "chronicle" was considered the only and correct one by a command from Above) There are really no other chronicles of the pre-Rurik period, according to rumors they were destroyed by the Fritzes invited to the Academy of Sciences by order of Elizabeth, and ... we do not have an earlier history of Rus', for some reason it all begins in the 860s, after the appearance of the Luminaries. History is always written by the victors, and in this case this is clearly shown. Alas for us.
  4. -5
    April 5 2025 06: 41
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    What did the Varangian warriors who were hired into Russian service look like?

    Article about it! Anyone interested in something else can turn to Internet resources.
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 15: 40
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      What did the Varangian warriors who were hired into Russian service look like?

      Article about it! Anyone interested in something else can turn to Internet resources.
      Nothing of the sort. This is what Viking leaders looked like. An ordinary Viking looked like a tramp with a spear or an axe, without a helmet and without armor. There were shields, but the most primitive ones and, of course, without a boss. It would help against arrows, but would fall apart after a couple of blows. A sword was a status weapon, only for a leader, or at most for a couple of people close to the leader. The reason for this situation was the extreme shortage of metals in those days. And a helmet was also a complex item.
      1. +9
        April 5 2025 20: 16
        The average Viking looked like a homeless person with a spear or an axe, no helmet, and no armor.

        Something like this. laughing In the background is a drakkar smile
        1. +3
          April 5 2025 23: 39
          Quote: Richard
          Something like this. laughing In the background is a drakkar smile
          Without pants, a Viking's rear will freeze.
          1. +1
            April 6 2025 18: 20
            Without pants, a Viking's rear will freeze.

            Absolutely right, dear colleague. History has preserved many such incidents. It is not for nothing that the Vikings called the place where one could land on the shore and get some pants by the word "port". smile
    2. +1
      April 9 2025 00: 20
      Quote: kalibr
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      What did the Varangian warriors who were hired into Russian service look like?

      Article about it! Anyone interested in something else can turn to Internet resources.
      Don't mix them into one "army" Vikings и Varangians.
      On the lands that became known as Rus - Varangians they called those who came from outside professional workers in his craft.
      It was more likely that those living in the New City invited Rurik to be their mayor, who brought with him a detachment of warriors and his brothers.
      As an example Alexander Yaroslavovich Nevsky was invited to Novgorod в 1228-29, 1236-40, 1241-52, 1257-59 - was called during these periods Prince of Novgorod.
      Lake Ilmen can also be called a sea - after all, according to the legend about Sadko, meeting with the sea king happened on Ilmen lake, and not on the Baltic. So Rurik could have come to the New City from the other side of Lake Ilmen.
      hi
  5. -2
    April 5 2025 06: 44
    Quote: Yuri L
    according to rumors they were destroyed by those invited

    Rumors are not a source. We work with what we have. You can guess on beans, coffee grounds... who knows what.
    1. -1
      April 5 2025 18: 47
      Quote: kalibr
      Rumors are not a source. We work with what we have.

      if you have time, pay attention to "essays on the early Rus" by Alexey Tolochko... personally, they really straightened my head out regarding "our chronicles dating back to the 9th century", "the tale of bygone years" and many other things, including the warriors of those years... and from the author's (himself quite authoritative) references to sources, you can even put together a small brochure
      1. +1
        April 6 2025 06: 24
        Quote: Rodez
        and from the author's (himself quite authoritative) references to sources, you can even create a small brochure

        Dk, probably. But it's hardly worth giving such a list to an article on VO.
        1. +1
          April 6 2025 07: 38
          Quote: kalibr
          It is hardly worth giving such a list to an article on VO.

          well, that's not what I'm talking about, but about a very interesting book about a very ambiguous time because of the remoteness... this is not an academic work in the literal sense of the word, it's easy to read, without any ulterior motives I wanted to advise you to pay attention to it, if you find the time
          1. 0
            April 6 2025 07: 52
            Quote: Rodez
            without any ulterior motive I wanted to advise you to pay attention to it if you find time

            So I do not have any "ulterior motives". There are enough "ulterior motives" here without you and me. Thanks for the advice. I will definitely use it.
  6. +6
    April 5 2025 06: 48
    A small remark, in boats on rowers the most comfortable clothes in modern times are sea robe loose wide trousers and a loose shirt not tucked into the trousers and no buttons on the sleeves near the hands. Everything is as loose as possible so that nothing interferes with rowing. I think the Vikings also did something like this, especially during long passages. Maybe when they approached the enemy, then they dressed in combat clothes. hi
  7. +5
    April 5 2025 07: 09
    Chainmail made of joined rings can play a purely decorative role. So. Besides, the author somehow managed not to mention lamellar armor, which, judging by numerous finds of plates, was also quite widely used.
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 07: 31
      Strictly speaking, chain mail (any, not much depending on the method of production) without under-chain mail clothing is protection from a knife, cutting tangential blows. To take a blow on chain mail and therefore on your carcass, even from a sword, even a spear, much less an axe, is bad. At the very least, they will knock out your windpipe, and it is also very painful (it happens and I want to write passionately). Well, if not in reconstructions and other modern games where serious protection is required and the weapon is blunt, then the ribs, collarbones and other parts of the khan's body. And yes, the main protection is the shield. It doesn't hurt him, although it gives to the hand.
    2. 0
      April 5 2025 07: 40
      Quote: paul3390
      which, judging by the numerous finds of plates

      Where, in what place?
  8. +4
    April 5 2025 07: 28
    All the figures posted in the article are from the Silver Dream Studio catalog, with specific prices for each figure. Otherwise, such illustrations in the article cannot be called hidden advertising of goods and assortment with the Silver Dream Studio price list... Even if the author purchased these figures for himself. Perhaps, this was Siler Dream Studio's calculation for such advertising of its products...
    1. -6
      April 5 2025 07: 41
      Quote: north 2
      Maybe ,

      As you all love to guess, were there gypsies in your family?
    2. -1
      April 5 2025 07: 45
      Quote: north 2
      for such advertising

      And when in an article about weapons is it about the F-35? Is it an advertisement for the F-35? And when about a new drone? Or a machine gun from the Kalashnikov concern? Or is it something else?
      And when the author places drawings by Sheps, Angus McBride or someone else? Is that their advertising too? Advertising medieval books from the Heidelberg Library - after all, it is profitable for them! A photo of the Paris Army Museum... Advertising the museum... Nowadays any information can be considered advertising. But there are precise definitions of what and how... You don't have to be D'Artagnan and an expert on everything. There are plenty of them in the editorial office of VO.
  9. +5
    April 5 2025 07: 31
    Warriors of the original Rus'

    Sorry for the stupid comment. I went to see the warriors of Rus', and here are some Vikings and Scandinavians... And not a single Russian person.
    1. -3
      April 5 2025 07: 43
      Quote: Stas157
      And not a single Russian person.

      And all the "Russian people" at this time can only be pure fantasy. That's why their figures are not released!
      1. +4
        April 5 2025 10: 20
        Quote: kalibr
        And all the "Russian people" at this time can only be pure fantasy
        Before the formation of "Russian people", Slavs and Finno-Ugric peoples lived there. And this is not fantasy at all
        1. +2
          April 5 2025 12: 42
          And why did you forget about the Balts, about all the riffraff? They will arrange a march of SS legionnaires under your windows in revenge!
          1. -1
            April 5 2025 17: 16
            Quote: fuxila
            Why did you forget about the Balts and all the other bastards?

            You noticed that the illustrations are soldiers. This means that what is there is given. What is not there cannot be given.
            1. +1
              April 5 2025 17: 48
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: fuxila
              Why did you forget about the Balts and all the other bastards?

              You noticed that the illustrations are soldiers. This means that what is there is given. What is not there cannot be given.

              I wrote about the Golyads to the Dutchman Michel, but he only mentioned the Slavs and the Finno-Ugric peoples, forgetting about the proud Balts.
  10. +2
    April 5 2025 08: 01
    Quote: Dutchman Michel
    The author needed to provide a little background: what ethnic origin did the Varangians have in the 9th century and what is “Rus” and the “Russian” service that follows from it?

    It looks like a provocation... Scientists have been struggling with this problem for over 200 years, and not so learned people just hit them over the head with a candelabra.
    1. +2
      April 5 2025 10: 16
      Quote: fuxila
      Looks like a provocation...
      It looks like an attempt to dot all the i's. Without an attempt to explain the meanings of "Varangians" and "Rus", everything looks very dull and unclear. It is impossible to explain, but it was possible to apply light brushstrokes
      Quote: fuxila
      and those who are not very learned will get hit on the head with a candelabra
      Lomonosov was even a very good scientist, but at a meeting of the Academy of Sciences he got into a fight wink
      1. +6
        April 5 2025 12: 58
        Well, what did you expect from Lomonosov? He is a Russian man and a former Prussian soldier rolled into one! Maybe he punched those Germans in the face because they didn't serve in the army?!
  11. +5
    April 5 2025 08: 15
    Good morning Vyacheslav Olegovich,
    I will share my doubts about the helmet from Gjormundbu. Indeed, it is customary for reenactors to "apply" it to all Vikings in a row.
    But whether he was typical is a big question.
    By the way, a fragment of such a mask was found on the territory of our country. But we have an unattributed, ethnic helmet from the Black Grave of the 10th century, conical with two hemispheres and without any mask.
    To be strictly objective, it is hardly appropriate to consider the Gjormundbu helmet as a typical Viking helmet.
    This is more of an echo of Wendel, and by the 10th century it was pulled in by the ears.
    hi
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      April 5 2025 08: 26
      This is more of an echo of Wendel, and by the 10th century it was pulled in by the ears.
      Isn't this design too complicated for Wendel?
      By the way, I tried on the replica, it's very heavy! When I put it on, I sat down in surprise. hi
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        April 5 2025 08: 38
        Anton,
        good morning.
        Wendel was even more intricate. A helmet from the 12th or 14th century, for example.
        As for the heaviness, yes. About 10 years ago I was given a spanchelheim, you can't walk for long.
        hi
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        April 5 2025 09: 04
        Replicas of this helmet are usually made from 2 mm steel. The half mask is often even thicker.
        While there are scant mentions that the original was 1.5 mm, and the half mask is the same thickness
      3. +3
        April 5 2025 09: 08
        By the way, I tried on the replica, it’s very heavy!

        It's not the helmet that's heavy, it's the replica. Now replicas are made from 4 mm steel - for buhurts with two-handed halberds. They can weigh 8 kg - when you put them on and look up - your head outweighs you and you start falling backwards.
        And the real Germund, judging by the thickness of the metal, fits up to 2 kg normally, which is not at all heavy
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        April 5 2025 17: 27
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        When I put it on, I sat down in surprise.

        This is not exactly a "wendel".
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          April 5 2025 17: 34
          Vyacheslav Olegovich, where did I state that the helmet from Gjermundbyu is Wendel? This assumption belongs to Eduard.
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            April 5 2025 18: 17
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            This assumption belongs to Edward.

            Perhaps I misunderstood you.
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      April 5 2025 09: 08
      It is hardly appropriate to consider the Gjormundbu helmet as a typical Viking helmet.

      Nobody considers it a typical helmet. There are simply no others. The dating is reliable, the helmet is beautiful. I don't want to sculpt
  12. +3
    April 5 2025 10: 36
    Their skis were shorter than modern ones, but somewhat wider.

    You, Vyacheslav Olegovich, are clearly not keen on hunting. Hunters use such skis even now - short and wide. Not only snowmobiles.
  13. +1
    April 5 2025 10: 49
    Well, there is one version that in the phrase "there is no order in it" there is a translation error. In the original text the word is "outfit", and it should be read "there is no one to rule", in the sense that they did not agree on a local prince, so let there be an outsider
  14. +4
    April 5 2025 17: 07
    "Normanists", "anti-Normanists" and all sorts of others are already boring. The whole fight between them is based on emptiness. Normans were indeed called, but not at all to create a state, but to form a ruling dynasty that would be equidistant from all participants of the union of inviting tribes. Rus was created directly by the tribes and clans that inhabited it, of different, although predominantly Slavic ethnic background. I repeat, only independent rulers were invited.
  15. +3
    April 6 2025 01: 02
    Somehow since childhood I got used to focusing on Ivanov's "Original Rus". Which is not the 9th century, but the 6th, the time of the reign of Justinian the Great and Theodora in the Roman Empire.
    And which clearly existed long before Rurik and Igor. The very name Novgorod, from where Gostomysl (in the political struggle in Vadim the Brave?) attracted to his support a wandering squad of Varangians/Vikings, who seized all political and economic power for themselves, and then the chronicler described it strongly in accordance with the line of the Rurikovich party. So - the very name Novgorod is a New City even without changes in our language to this day. And by 862 it was already a very large and important city for those times, that is, it was already tens, and maybe hundreds of years old. In the country of cities Gardarike in the language of the Vikings.
    It’s a shame that for some reason Normandy or Britain had their own history before the Vikings, and quite a rich one, while for us, like before Rurik, no one and nothing existed, but someone controlled these vast territories with the most important north-south trade route?
    You can’t change history, but it’s not a fact that the arrival of Rurik and his army was the best path for the establishment of the Russian state.
    How sincerely I regret that Godunov was not lucky enough to create a long-lasting dynasty, and after the Time of Troubles, the very eccentric Romanovs jumped to the top with a path of development that was not the best for us, through the Schism, a century of palace coups, endless Germans and German women on the throne.
  16. 0
    April 9 2025 00: 41
    And the eldest, Rurik, sat in Ladoga, and the second, Sineus, on Lake Beloye, and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk...
    Three Varangian brothers with their squads

    Ryrik says that he is afraid of something
    Rurik is their faithful protector of their home
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    April 9 2025 23: 16
    What did they look like? Like Scandinavians of the 5th-9th centuries
  18. -1
    April 11 2025 13: 12
    In the year 6370 [862 according to the modern calendar

    The original Russian warriors lived more than 6 thousand years ago, according to the Slavic calendar, and they looked different and had different weapons...
    The Varangians are medieval warriors who lived about 1000 years ago.....