How much bread and meat did the Vikings need?

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How much bread and meat did the Vikings need?
There are many different screen adaptations now that try to show how things really were. Sometimes quite successfully, but the economy is almost always forgotten.


Here is a topic that would ruin the lives of many professional historians - supply fleets Viking Age. This question became the starting point for my research and allowed me to write in the book “The Varangians Against the Christian World. The Real story "Scandinavian Vikings" will revolutionize our understanding of the Vikings, their lives, goals and historical contributions.



Supply of fleets, that is, ships and their crews. What could be so interesting here? I was interested in the question of how big was the mountain of grain that had to be prepared for the sea voyage?

How much bread should a sailor take per day?


Since the ship's rations in the era of the sailing and rowing fleet, which included the Scandinavian drakkars, consisted mainly of grain products, preparation for a sea voyage necessarily included a grain procurement campaign. The only question is how much.

My method, taken from the arsenal of early Soviet planning, I call the "key method." We need to somehow find out how much food the Vikings took on board. But the Vikings were not so kind as to leave us books of ship supplies. Probably, some inventories of supplies were made, but they have not reached us. In the chronicles we know, written by the opponents of the Vikings, there is not a word about this, and professional historians have nothing to say here. A dead end? No hurry.

The "key method" consists of finding a similar but well-documented economic phenomenon from a later time, and then, having checked for comparability, extrapolating the data from the later time to the earlier one. The result, of course, is a very conditional comparison, but it is better than nothing.

I was lucky to find detailed inventories of supplies taken on board by German whaling ships from Hamburg in the early 28th century. Comparability: the same sailing area (whalers sailed to the shores of Greenland), the same length of the voyage - about six months, a similar type of vessel and the same size of the crew - 30-XNUMX people. The physiology of nutrition and hardships at sea also did not change much. The Vikings may not have sailed directly to Greenland, limiting themselves to the Baltic and North Seas, but they had a harder time at sea due to the lack of below-deck rooms and heated cabins.
The provisions of the whaling ship for 28 people included:

13 barrels of crackers,
12 bags of baked bread,
16 bags of barley,
12 bags of grey peas,
12 bags of white peas,
850 pounds of cheese,
400 pounds of lard,
7 barrels of meat,
20 barrels of beer,
2 bags of salt,
Firewood and peat.

If we take the capacity of the barrel as 160 liters, and the capacity of the bag as 80 kg, then we get the following calculation in weight indicators: 830 kg of crackers (the density of crackers is taken as 400 grams per liter), 960 kg of bread, 1280 kg of barley, 1920 kg of peas, 340 kg of cheese, 160 kg of lard, 1200 kg of meat, 3200 kg of beer and 160 kg of salt. Total: 10050 kg, or about 10 tons of supplies excluding the weight of the container.

The inventory indicated the proportion of grain consumed for the production of rusks, and from it it follows that approximately 160 kg of grain, two-thirds rye and one-third wheat were used for a barrel of rusks, so that 13 kg of grain were used to produce 830 barrels or 2080 kg of rusks.


Just to remind you, there are exactly 13 barrels in the top row.

A whaler with 28 people took 180 kg of bread products (which have a grain equivalent when rusks and bread are converted into grain, 4990 kg) for 5394 days at sea, or 0,9 kg per person per day. The Germans also consumed about 0,63 kg of "liquid bread" in the form of beer per person per day.

The Naval Charter, drawn up personally by Peter I, contains a sailor's food ration for a 28-day month: 2 kg of beef, 2 kg of pork, 18 kg of crackers, 4 kg of peas, 6 kg of cereals, 1,6 kg of fish, as well as butter, wine, beer, vinegar and salt. A sailor's daily ration was 1,2 kg, including 1 kg of bread products.

Thus, the bread ration in the sailing and rowing fleets was about 1 kg per person per day. The rest was meat and fats. If meat, fats and fish are replaced by bread products, then we can take the calculated 1,4 kg of bread products per person per day. In my book, I made estimates of the food supply of the Viking fleets using a coefficient of 1,4 kg per person per day, but now we can make a more detailed calculation, taking into account meat products.

100 peasant households per ship


So, we have a ship for 30 people - a typical Viking battle drakkar - taken into account for our calculations. The duration of the voyage is from April to October, six months or 180 days. Such a ship needs to take on board:

According to the standard of 1,4 kg of bread products per person per day - 7560 kg of grain.

According to the norm, 1 kg of bread products and 0,25 kg of meat per day - 5400 kg of bread products and 1350 kg of meat.

If we assume that the bread products included 16% baked bread (864 kg) and 14% crackers (756 kg), then when converted to grain consumption for the production of bread and crackers, the grain equivalent of bread products is 6309 kg. This is significant, since this is the amount of grain that needed to be prepared to supply the ship for the voyage.

In total, 6309 kg of grain and 1350 kg of meat is the amount of food needed to equip one drakkar for 30 people for 180 days of sailing.


A Danish drakkar at sea. It's impressive that you don't immediately realize that something is wrong here. The drakkar is empty, without the cargo of provisions that any ship that goes to sea should have.

And it is not necessary to say that, supposedly, the Vikings sailed on luck and in the hope that they would plunder some monastery. They always took supplies for the entire estimated duration of the campaign, so as to have provisions for the return, regardless of the vicissitudes of military fortune.

By the way, the ship's crew needs food not only at sea, but also on shore. In order for the Vikings not to lose their fighting ability during the months of wintering on shore, they should be fed approximately the same, so another 6,3 tons of grain and 1,35 tons of meat are required for the winter.

In total, one ship for 30 people per year requires 12,6 tons of grain and 2,7 tons of meat.

Now, what follows from this?

12,6 tons of grain is 15,75 cubic meters of volume. A barn capable of holding that much grain is a hut measuring 3 x 3 meters and 2 meters high. You also need a warehouse for meat products, as well as warehouses for food containers and other ship supplies, such as ropes, canvas, resin, and so on. And 30 people need to be accommodated somewhere. The ship's crew must periodically gather in full force, and during this time they must live together for many days or weeks, while, say, preparing to go to sea. You can't do without a shore barracks.

In other words, each ship needed a base point, which included a pier, a slipway for rolling the ship onto land for repairs and tarring, a shore barracks, food storage facilities, warehouses for ship property and supplies, and a workshop. It is quite obvious that property and food that spoil easily must be stored in a specially constructed building. Without the minimum necessary infrastructure of a base point, it is hardly possible to prepare a ship for a long sea voyage.

Further. The grain comes, of course, from the peasants, since the Vikings did not sow or plow, mainly because they were at sea during the sowing season (April) and harvest season (August).

On average, a peasant farm in the Novgorod land in the 15th–244,5th centuries, that is, very close to the peasant farm of the Varangian era, could produce 30 poods of commercial grain per year (26 kg). Thus, in order to collect grain for a sea voyage of one ship for 52 people, 12,6 peasant farms were required, and to provide the ship's crew for the voyage and for wintering on the shore, that is, throughout the year - 18 peasant farms. To transport XNUMX tons of grain, XNUMX carts are required.

Now the meat. 2,7 tons of meat is quite a lot. A medieval cow, as follows from recent studies of the osteological remains of cattle in Yaroslavl in the 250th–160th centuries, was not well-fed, and its average weight was about XNUMX kg. A taskanka, that is, a cow that men dragged by the horns to the outskirts after a hungry winter to feed, weighed even less — XNUMX kg.

The slaughter weight of lean cows is approximately 45% of the live weight, and emaciated cows - 40% of the live weight. So, an average medieval cow yielded about 100 kg of meat. Thus, to prepare 2,7 tons of meat, it was necessary to slaughter 27-30 cows. A whole herd! That's enough for one ship's crew for a year.


Corned beef in a barrel. To make this supply, not only meat was needed, but also a lot of salt

Now the socio-economic dimension of the issue. 52 peasant households with 15 poods of commercial grain is a moderately prosperous household. But in the village there were rich, prosperous and poor households. If we consider that the grain and cattle were handed over by the prosperous half of the village, and the poor half worked for hire: to bring, load, stack and so on, then one ship crew needed 104 peasant households to supply with a total population of 468 souls (4,5 mouths per household on average).

This is minimal, provided that almost all commercial products, both grain and livestock, are handed over. This was only possible through trade and exchange of products for some liquid values ​​for the peasant household, for example, iron products. If supplies were collected through the collection of a tax in kind, then in order to supply the ship's crew and not cause excessive resistance from the peasants, 200-250 peasant households or more would be needed, depending on local conditions.

Here, robbing peasants did not work. The crews that returned to their base at the end of September - beginning of October had to be greeted as dear guests, with refreshments and stocked barns. Otherwise, the ship would not go to sea the following year.

Industrial scale blanks


Until now we have been talking about only one drakkar and its 30 Viking crew. And that was a whole volost needed to supply it on the campaign and on the shore.

But we know that the Vikings assembled huge fleets, many hundreds of ships.


This drawing shows 7 ships. The drawing is not very accurate, since it is unlikely that the ships were moving so closely together, and there is no large pile of barrels and bags of supplies on them, which would be clearly visible even from afar

Sometimes historians, doubting the number of ships mentioned in the chronicles, try to understate it, saying that not only large ships were counted, but also boats. Let's assume that there were boats. Only this boat had to have a minimum seaworthiness to get from Norway to France with a crew and supplies on board, which implies a certain size of this boat. In other words, this argument is far-fetched, and we can reject it. The chroniclers' informants counted the Viking ships by masts and sails, mostly correctly.

This means that the Vikings had a strong enough economic base to equip such huge fleets.

Based on our data, we can say how much food would be needed for the fleets.


So, for a squadron of 100 ships for a 180-day voyage at sea, 630 tons of grain and 135 tons of meat are required. But we will calculate based on annual consumption. 1260 tons of grain is 5153 moderately prosperous peasant households or more than 10 thousand peasant households with a population of 45 thousand people, taking into account the stratification of the village. 270 tons of meat is the slaughter of 2700 cows.

These are all practically industrial scale grain and meat procurements. And we know that the Vikings assembled even larger fleets, much larger than 100 pennants. And they assembled them not just a couple of times, but often, and sometimes fought year after year with large naval units. This suggests that they had a whole peasant country at their disposal, which supplied them with grain, meat, leather and other agricultural products in abundance. In my opinion, the main source of grain and meat for the Vikings was the southern Baltic coast, where grain from the entire Vistula basin and its numerous tributaries flowed to several large coastal cities, such as Wolin, through a well-established and large-scale grain trade for silver, in this case, Arab dirhams. That is, the Vikings sailed and fought, and the Slavs plowed, and the Vikings and the Slavs lived in perfect harmony, since the intense Viking attacks on the Christian states of Western Europe lasted for more than a hundred years.

These are the results obtained by the "key method" based on Soviet planning methods. The "key" in this case is the inventory of supplies of a German whaling vessel, and then extrapolation is made based on sample data. The method is not very reliable, but it was often used in the absence of detailed statistical materials, which is exactly what we are in. The Vikings somehow did not bother to leave us a report on the supplies of their fleets.

And we immediately see how many people were involved in this matter, not counting the Vikings themselves on the ships. And we get the opportunity to at least approximately understand the real structure of that political and economic system of relations that provided for the sea voyages of the Vikings.

Let professional historians continue to professionally retell the chronicles.
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  1. +12
    April 5 2025 04: 51
    Perhaps the ships took less provisions than they had calculated. At that time, due to the peculiarities of navigation, they sailed mainly along the coast. Nothing prevented them from landing on the coast and expropriating supplies from the population. For money or by force.
    1. +14
      April 5 2025 05: 23
      There was nothing to stop them from landing on the shore and expropriating supplies from the population, either for money or by force.

      Jarl! And what if your drakkar is third? A day before you, the second one passed... a day before that, the first one. One bought it up, the second one took the rest.
      So the question is asked correctly.
      1. +7
        April 5 2025 06: 08
        I don't think that our ancestors were so stupid as not to take this into account. Nothing prevented them from moving separately and gathering into a fist only at the goal of the campaign. Again, ships are first and foremost just transport from A to B. Further on land, the Vikings acted as a foot army. There is evidence in the chronicles that they besieged cities for months. I doubt that they carried all their provisions with them on ships.
        1. +17
          April 5 2025 06: 48
          Actually, do we completely exclude supply vessels?
          1. +7
            April 5 2025 10: 02
            There will always be someone who with his logic and facts interferes with the alternatives. And on the topic, the author's entire article can be broken down by just one argument, where in his calculations is dried/dried fish, in particular cod.
            1. +7
              April 5 2025 15: 03
              For the sails of a drakkar you still need a lot, a lot of wool, which means sheep.
              In general, there is a complaint about the article in that the Vikings are separate, the peasants are separate. But a Viking is, as a rule, the offspring of a bonde - a free landowner who went on a military campaign for glory and booty.
            2. +1
              April 6 2025 03: 37
              The author is simply a landlubber, a city office rat, and all he knows about fish is that it is sold in stores on a counter labeled "fish". Of course, sea wanderers lived mainly on fish, but you can't sow much grain in the fjords, even if you plunder coastal villages, even their grain was mostly imported.
          2. 0
            April 10 2025 11: 58
            Except: they had to carry food supplies for their crew, with a small displacement.
            1. 0
              April 10 2025 13: 05
              And how was a drakkar different from, say, a knorr or, say, a skuf? What did they carry their loot home in, or did they throw away whatever didn't fit in the drakkar? hi
              had to carry food supplies

              If it weren't enough, they would have gone hungry and would have been angrier. laughing
        2. +10
          April 5 2025 07: 55
          Again, ships are primarily just transport from A to B. Further on land, the Vikings acted as a foot army.

          If I find an ownerless drakkar in the morning (or five people in the guard), then by lunch I will have two drakkars and I no longer need the trip - I will sell the extra one and it will be enough for a year. Or I will go back and recruit a second crew. Now they steal baby carriages, but then drakkars - just turn away! We are talking about a crew of 30 snouts. And there were drakkars with up to 80 seats.
          The most the Jarl can allow is to let a third of the crew go to besiege something or buy food, otherwise they will go home on foot!
      2. +10
        April 5 2025 06: 16
        Quote: Kerensky
        There was nothing to stop them from landing on the shore and expropriating supplies from the population, either for money or by force.

        Jarl! And what if your drakkar is third? A day before you, the second one passed... a day before that, the first one. One bought it up, the second one took the rest.
        So the question is asked correctly.

        In general, the Scandinavians preferred to buy rather than rob.
        Words such as “guests”, “trading”, etc., which date back to the era of the “Varangians”, have become firmly established in our language.
        1. +3
          April 5 2025 09: 17
          There was no possibility to cook complicated dishes on board the drakkar, and firewood and fresh water were worth their weight in gold. The food had to be:
          Easily stored: nothing perishable.
          Nutritional: to maintain strength under physical stress.
          Compact: to leave space for cargo.




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          1. +11
            April 5 2025 09: 36
            The site is stupid. lol Well, it’s not difficult to rewrite the previous comment.
            There was no possibility to cook complicated dishes on board the drakkar, and firewood and fresh water were worth their weight in gold. The food had to be:
            1.Easily stored: nothing perishable.
            2.Nutritional: to maintain strength under physical stress.
            3.Compact: to leave space for cargo.
            Based on this, we can assume the range of food on the drakkar:
            1. Dried fish and meat. Dried cod or dried venison are the main sources of protein. These products did not spoil for months and were incredibly filling. To soften them, just soak the fish or meat in sea water.
            2. Cereals, peas, dried mushrooms - sources of carbohydrates for cooking at coastal camps. For greater preservation, cereals were roasted to avoid spoilage.
            3. Nuts and dried berries. Blueberries, lingonberries, raspberries - berries collected in the summer were dried and used as a source of vitamins.
            4. Fermented milk products.
            Dry whey and hard cheeses retain their properties for a long time.
            5. And the main thing - fresh water To avoid its spoilage, it is enough to mix it with a small amount of vinegar, beer or mead. This gives the liquid a taste and kills bacteria.
            6. Well, naturally, fishing in the sea and hunting at camps.
            In this way, the weight and volume of food supplies on the drakkar can be significantly reduced.
            1. +3
              April 5 2025 10: 09
              The volumes of food for a hike are well described by Tolkien in his famous book, a considerable volume of which is taken up by the description of how much and what is packed for the journey, who carries/carries what, how much is eaten at a halt/feast...
        2. +2
          April 5 2025 11: 34
          Trade and exchange are more likely related to trips to some fairs and, like, trading platforms in "friendly" areas. In others, on the way to the goal of a military campaign, they could easily expropriate from locals they met.
    2. +6
      April 5 2025 09: 11
      On the way you can catch fish, seals or even whales. That's why they probably took less meat. Seafood is underfoot. Bread is of course important, as they say, the head of everything. Beer partially replaced fresh water.
      1. +12
        April 5 2025 10: 30
        Bread is of course important, as they say, the head of everything

        According to archaeologists, instead of bread, the Vikings took with them hard rye or barley cakes dried on hearths. They could be stored for months, and sometimes the Vikings even used them as "plates" for food. Archaeologists also know about the so-called volcanic bread of ancient Scandinavian seafarers - the dough was laid out in a container, which was simply ... buried in the ground (if you can call it ground) near a geothermal source or in some other place where there was sufficiently strong geothermal activity. The temperature there, of course, is lower than in an oven or a modern oven, but it reaches 100 degrees Celsius. Bread cakes in such a geothermal "oven" were baked more slowly than in the usual way, but they acquired a longer shelf life. Quite a few of their remains have been found. True, as modern analyses of these Scandinavian zhlebts from the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries have shown, they had a very peculiar taste and smell - a large amount of sulfur was found in them.
        1. +6
          April 5 2025 10: 48
          By bread I mean not only what we buy or bake ourselves. Flatbreads, crackers, even just grain. Buckwheat and rice can also be classified as bread. All of these are grains that contain large amounts of carbohydrates and proteins, which are so important for nutrition.
          On some Canary Islands (I may be mistaken) they still cook food by burying it in the ground. They put meat, vegetables, and spices in a pot. They cover it with a lid, wrap it in a cloth and lower it into the hole. They cover it all with a lid and earth. It cooks, or rather stews, for about 6-8 hours. They say the taste is amazing. I haven't tried it myself.
          1. +8
            April 5 2025 11: 44
            I don't know about now, but in the 80s some Kabul dukans also cooked lamb stewed underground. Delicious. But I didn't often have a chance to try it. Firstly, the cooking process itself took a lot of time, and secondly, there was a queue for this expensive dish - it was cooked mainly to order with prepayment.
            1. +12
              April 5 2025 12: 04
              Once in Siberia I got into a hunting campaign. An old hunter promised a dinner better than in a Parisian restaurant ))))) . I gutted a shot goose. I smeared it with salt and pepper from the inside. I sewed up the belly with a sharp stick. And I smeared the whole goose in feathers with clay diluted like thick sour cream. I put all this "dish" and covered it with hot coals, and made a fire on top. After 2-3 hours everything was taken out, the feathers separated with clay. With a bottle of vodka it was tastier than in Paris. True, here and there there were pieces of clay, but no one died. It was really tasty. But everyone was hungry. Maybe that's why it was tastier than a Parisian restaurant ))) .
              1. +7
                April 5 2025 12: 10
                the feathers separated with the clay

                The Khanty have been baking fish in clay in coals for a long time. The scales are also separated with the clay.
        2. +9
          April 5 2025 10: 58
          they had a very distinctive taste and smell

          The Stockholm Viking Museum (Vikingamuseet. Stockholm) exhibits a modern replica of the barley cakes of the drakkar crews. The explanation says that the barley dough of these breads contained moss in addition to the leaven. They were stored on the drakkars in bundles, like bagels in the 70s.
      2. +1
        April 5 2025 22: 22
        Quote: smith 55
        Along the way you can catch fish, a seal or even a whale. Therefore, it is possible that they took less meat. Seafood underfoot. Bread is of course important, as they say, the head of everything. Beer partially replaced fresh water.
        I remembered a naval proverb - "The sea loves the strong. And the strong love to eat a lot." Young, healthy, strong men on fish, bread and water? They'll kill an earl with an oar if there's no good piece of meat with lard and beer...
        1. +2
          April 7 2025 00: 42
          Well, it is worth considering that the earls were, in fact, the strongest and most experienced warriors. laughing
          But seriously, in the time of Columbus and much later, sailors could also mutiny, but the food was below the plinth and scurvy was very common among sailors, not counting gastrointestinal diseases.
          People knew what they were getting into, food shortages were an integral part of life on ships. Then they had a blast on the shore.
          And then we can continue to speculate that these young, healthy organisms and women didn’t have enough, is that also a reason for rebellion? fellow
          And yes, "the sea loves the strong" is not about "physics", but about the spirit wink Sailors have always been famous for their strength of spirit, that's why they always won... bully
          1. 0
            April 7 2025 09: 59
            Quote: Evgeny64
            People knew what they were getting into, food shortages were an integral part of life on ships. Then they had a blast on the shore.
            And then we can continue to speculate that these young, healthy organisms and women didn’t have enough, is that also a reason for rebellion?

            Be that as it may, but working with sails, rowing, night watches, handling cargo... require a huge expenditure of calories. Yes, deprivations, yes, trials, but the food had to be satisfying and replenish the energy spent. Otherwise, the task will not be completed, the sails will not be raised, there will be no one to row... There is no point in a trip overseas. Therefore, the author of the article raised the right question about the supply of the crews of these very drakkars... And about the women... That is why sailors have fun on the shore... chasing any skirt and drinking anything that burns.
            1. +1
              April 7 2025 23: 36
              laughing Well, yes, that's what sailors are like and everything was forgiven them. fellow But seriously, there is a lot of moral and volitional stuff there.
              Modernity... almost. Of course, you don't have to row like sails. But our SFR had an autonomy of 30 days (fifty, if anyone remembers) after a week almost everything ran out. This is in real life. What was left was: flour, cereals, a little stew, occasionally fish and caviar from Japanese nets, and for some reason eggs, they were always in abundance No. The most constant was "turbulence", you boil flour in boiling water, in tanks (a crew of 70 people on the move), you pile on caviar (which, unlike fish, could be thrown into barrels with shovels and salted, 90% of fish were thrown away, along with cut nets, only in winter you can freeze) and stuffed a bunch of eggs. It turned out to be a very nutritious protein mixture. It was enough to taste, then I could not eat caviar, red, for 20 years, I felt sick.
              Well, there were also tubes of "Odessa Space Food Plant", but that was an emergency reserve, but we ate it, it was delicious, nothing to say for those who had access to the "midshipman's" compartment, there was a "dry warehouse".
              There was always bread, alcoholized, in bags. White bread is delicious when heated, like real bread, black bread is better chewed as is, it is just wet, you gobble up half a loaf, you can already relax winked Although we didn't allow ourselves to do it on the move, only at the base, there was plenty of alcohol without that. But I was given one loaf of bread for my post (for four people) - one white and one black.
              When you're pumped, almost no one eats anything, everyone feels sick, and half of them burp. Luckily, I woke up hungry like crazy, everyone was surprised laughing Well, I grew up in Odessa by the sea. Although you can't compare it to Tikhyi, it's much cooler.
              Also consider that fresh water was enough for a couple of weeks, then we drank boiler water... I generally got used to drinking sea water from a hose for washing, because a couple of liters of fresh water per day is not enough in heat of +40 and above.
              We survived normally and did not feel weakened. Given the opportunity, we would have torn anyone apart, we are the FLEET! This is the most important thing, how a person is set up. I can analyze why this is so and how it was maintained, but it is long, boring and of no interest to anyone.
  2. 0
    April 5 2025 05: 16
    I understand that the author put effort into writing the article, made calculations for the menu layout...
    The only thing that prevents me (personally) from showing a keen interest in an extinct nation (not in descendants or some followers, but in the Vikings themselves) is the mentality that led to their disappearance. I cannot imagine anyone curious about repeating the life of primitive communal settlements. Why follow the path of people who died out?
    This means that nature did not accept them...
    1. +8
      April 5 2025 08: 20
      Quote: yuriy55
      to the extinct nation (not to the descendants or any followers, but to the Vikings themselves) -
      Well, why did they die out? Scandinavia is full of their descendants, and their genes are present in Rus'. It was the mammoths that died out because they left nothing but dead remains.
      Quote: yuriy55
      mentality that led to their disappearance.
      They were baptized, and so the mentality changed. The paths to Valhalla and the Kingdom of Heaven are somewhat different.
      1. +2
        April 5 2025 10: 05
        It was the mammoths that became extinct.

        Judging by the remains still found in Siberia, they did not die out, but died and froze (with undigested grass in their stomachs), buried by a mass of soil in which fallen trees can also be found. Because of their size, it was easier for them to survive and be discovered.
      2. +3
        April 5 2025 15: 48
        Quote: Nagan
        We were baptized, and that’s how our mentality changed.
        Mentality doesn't change from baptism. It's just that those whom they robbed developed proto-states and began to beat the Vikings.
        1. +4
          April 7 2025 00: 54
          Well, as practice has shown, it changes greatly with generations, which for centuries have forced people to repent for things they did not do, to burn at the stake for suspicions of all sorts of crap, to infringe on themselves and consider it sacred, etc.
          In this case, we are lucky that everything is intertwined, paganism and Christianity are organically intertwined in Orthodoxy and Easter and the holiday of Ivan Kupala coexist peacefully, and much more. wink
          And if we proceed from orthodox beliefs, then for me, personally, in this case, the path to Valhalla is much closer than slavery and eternal guilt before who knows who, for the fact that I was “born in sin” laughing
    2. +8
      April 5 2025 08: 42
      Quote: yuriy55
      Why follow the path of people who are extinct?
      They are not extinct at all, but are alive and well in their Norways, Denmarks, Swedens and Icelands. It's just that after such turbulent centuries they Viking Age calmed down and lead a measured life of burghers...
    3. +1
      April 5 2025 15: 09
      They did not die out, but settled down after the adoption of Christianity, with the exception of those who settled in Greenland, who were really unlucky with the climate change during the Little Ice Age.
  3. +11
    April 5 2025 05: 42
    Interesting question, deep...
    But what if we take (in this vein) the Novgorod ushkuiniks? The era, geography seem to fit...
    He spent his childhood and youth in campaigns. "Zakhvost" gave out a piece of paper like: "a can of stew, a kilo of makariks, two cans of br. mog. (mass grave, also known as sprat in tomato sauce), 10 potatoes (with a smart head), etc....
    I think that the Vikings also came on board with their provisions. And since the Vikings were mainly the sons of the ruler, then the whole clan collected the knapsack for a year.
    So the numbers are correct, but the extraction method...
    P.S. It is also necessary to note one of the criteria for selection into the crew, - luck.
    If a person had broken a finger while picking his nose since childhood, fallen on level ground, been nibbled by a goose, butted by a goat... Then it was difficult to get into a crew (even with a letter of recommendation from dad). They could take him precisely because of the carts with food.
  4. +18
    April 5 2025 05: 45
    Dmitry, once again you are breaking into an open gate.
    There are at least a dozen scientific works in open sources about the "sea diet" of the Vikings. True, the authors are mostly Scandinavians or Englishmen.
    In short. Bread was the third most important food item on a campaign. Dried meat and salted fish were the first, then water. Viking drakkars spent no more than a week in the open sea. During large sea campaigns, they did not shy away from buying provisions. On river campaigns, they hunted and cooked porridge (kulesh). The classic rusk appeared quite late. It was difficult to organize food for the crew on board the drakkar, so they often moored to the shore. They could even go fishing during the campaign.
    Well, roughly something like that!
    Have a nice day!
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 06: 39
      Why are you doing this? The author wrote:
      This question became the starting point for my research and allowed me to turn the idea of ​​the Vikings, their lives, goals and historical contribution upside down in the book “The Vikings against Christendom: The Real History of the Scandinavian Vikings”
      He made a complete revolution in science, and you neglect his contribution. (sarcasm)
    2. +6
      April 5 2025 06: 52
      Yes, fishing is completely out of the question. But fish is a valuable product, and entire nations live on it.
    3. +6
      April 5 2025 09: 12
      I fully support the author. Try fishing in the open sea. And with what?
      Let professional historians continue to professionally retell the chronicles.

      Author, you are a mathematician, not a historian.
      The greatest mathematician of our time, Arnold, I have a friend who knew him personally, he says he is a good man.
      He said that he wanted to be a historian and once at school he made a report on the size of the army in your key, with assessments. I don't remember exactly, but he made an assessment of the required forage. Historians said what a good report, and now find confirmation of it in historical sources.

      We mathematicians love history as a science, but historians themselves do not like it as a science!
      1. +2
        April 5 2025 10: 10
        Try fishing in the open sea. And with what?


        How much time did they spend on the open sea, not months?
        1. +2
          April 5 2025 10: 53
          And the net won't take up much space and won't weigh you down
      2. +6
        April 5 2025 11: 29
        Thank you!

        What did they use to catch fish in the sea? For example, with a set line. This is a long, strong rope with a sinker on one end and a float on the other, to which large hooks are tied with cords from 1 to 1,5 meters long, about 200-300 of them, and sometimes more than a thousand.
      3. +4
        April 5 2025 12: 32
        I don't remember exactly, but I made an estimate for the required forage. Historians said what a good report, and now find confirmation of it in historical sources.
        Yuri, the thing is that professional historians believe only documents, and they somehow don't have time to think that these records have a strong biased component (political or something else). The main argument is - and that's what it says over there. Well, in this regard, chronicle evidence and inscriptions on a fence are not far from each other. Historians love such inscriptions, they are selected as historians precisely on this basis.
        P.S. Greetings to Professor Ryabukho!
        1. +3
          April 5 2025 18: 29
          Well, actually the author started from a historical document - the loading of a whaler. As for the volume of peasant production - also from sources.
          1. +1
            April 5 2025 18: 32
            Well, actually the author started from a historical document - the loading of a whaler. As for the volume of peasant production - also from sources.
            I have no complaints about the author, I praised him in the previous post. Economic documents are a serious argument. I'm talking about other "historians" whose only argument is "I found this in the party archive, and it says so there."
            1. +2
              April 5 2025 20: 17
              The documents from the party archives are genuine. And the author knows what he is writing about. At that time, the party had to closely deal with the economy "in manual mode", the communists had no management experience, they had to learn on the go.
              1. 0
                April 5 2025 20: 52
                The documents from the party archives are authentic.
                And they are presented tendentiously, to convince readers of the unviability of the USSR, starting from the very beginning. The author here is working here, you can't really live in luxury on a pension.
            2. +1
              April 6 2025 22: 04
              And we even know the archive - Penza laughing
          2. +3
            April 5 2025 20: 15
            The document is historical, but it had nothing to do with the Vikings. Where would the Vikings sail in the open sea for 180 days, at an average speed of 5 knots, in a week or two (if they got lost and made a couple of circles and most of the time there was a headwind) they would reach any point they needed.
            And that really needs to be calculated for 7 days in the open sea, well, even 14 days, the second needs to be calculated based on the diet of the Scandinavian peoples, and this is primarily fish, but the author himself came up with a problem with his own conditions and heroically solved it.
      4. Fat
        +3
        April 5 2025 15: 49
        Quote: bya965
        We mathematicians love history as a science, but historians themselves do not like it as a science!

        Mathematics is not a science, but a tool for modeling processes, mainly in physics and astronomy. Mathematical calculations without reflection in the real world are an improvement of the capabilities of this tool. First experiment, then theory...
        1. +1
          April 5 2025 16: 00
          What did the boy tell his uncle about the empty candy?
          Mathematical calculations without reflection in the real world are the improvement of the capabilities of this tool. First experiment, then theory...

          First, you need to plan the experiment. Otherwise, there will be no point.
          And this is mathematics again. It is the basis of sciences.

          You philosophers and all believers need to wash your hair with shampoo more often.
          1. Fat
            +2
            April 5 2025 16: 26
            If you don't like your "tool", you can call mathematics a "universal parametric language". It serves to describe the universe.
            Where are the panegyrics to linguists? laughing
            1. 0
              April 5 2025 21: 56
              Mathematics is not a language.
              You philosophers and all believers need to wash your hair with shampoo more often
              1. Fat
                +2
                April 5 2025 22: 48
                Why are there no doctors and candidates of mathematical sciences? But only doctors and candidates of physical and mathematical sciences?
                It seems you don't live in Russia if you miss this little detail.
                1. +2
                  April 6 2025 06: 54
                  Quote: Thick
                  It seems you don't live in Russia if you miss this little detail.

                  You, although you live, perhaps, in Russia, probably know that only we have gradation by sciences. But in Europe, everyone is a PhD.

                  Regarding physics and mathematics. The thing is that physics is too difficult for physicists. That's why they added mathematicians. For example, I am a mechanic by education. It is a section of physics, but mechanics is taught only by mathematicians. And the faculties in my country are called mechanics and mathematics!
                  This is me yesterday in the forest at the Saratov ski stadium. And I really don't speak Russian well. I was retrained from left to right as a child, so I became ambidextrous.
                  1. Fat
                    +2
                    April 6 2025 09: 21
                    Quote: bya965
                    And the faculties in my country are called mechanics and mathematics!

                    Perhaps the only "pure" mathematical faculty is at the National Research University Higher School of Economics.
                    I graduated from a math school, a math class. Instead of the subject "labor" there was "computational mathematics" with a focus on programming. With practice at the department of mechanized processing of economic information... It was more than 40 years ago.
                    I graduated from the university with a degree in civil engineering... I learned from school that mathematics is a comprehensive discipline.
                    If I have offended you, please forgive me generously.
                    With respect.
                    1. +3
                      April 6 2025 09: 45
                      From pure and you will forgive me.
                      I simply cannot stand any Baltic sciences. Especially philosophy and any religions including the Russian Orthodox Church (after it threw mud at the victims of my Russian people in WWII).
                      HSE is the fifth column. I have been teaching at the Faculty of Mechanics and Mathematics for 35 years and the greatest harm HSE has done to higher education. By the way, I collaborated for a long time and worked for a couple of years at JINR, so I know about physicists firsthand and they know my opinion about them and even take offense. Paradoxically, biologists are the closest to mathematicians. What a Kalinkor!
                      Well, forgive me again. These are emotions.
  5. +8
    April 5 2025 05: 55
    And you don't have to go far to professional historians. How do today's sailors, fishermen, and naval officers differ from the Vikings, or any other seafarers, whether ancient or medieval? You can go to any ship in the port and the person responsible for food on the ship will tell you how much and what is required per day per crew member. It is clear that now every ship has refrigerators or refrigeration chambers for long voyages or trips. Vegetables and fruits, canned goods, and various types of noodles are added to the same bread, crackers, dried and salted meat and lard of the Vikings. The traditional drink for lunch is dried fruit compote. A calculation is made of how many calories a sailor needs in general to maintain his health while sailing. The figure is somewhere between 4000 and 5000 calories, taking into account night watches with snacks between them.
    A sailor must be fat, lazy, clean-shaven, have a complete aversion to work and a little drunk.
    Congratulations to river workers on the start of navigation on the rivers of Russia!
    1. +8
      April 5 2025 07: 06
      "...somewhere between 4000 and 5000 calories"
      Won't your face crack from that amount of kilocalories?!))
      1. +9
        April 5 2025 07: 22
        Sometimes I buy army dry rations, they usually contain 4000 calories per day. For an ordinary person, 2000 is enough. But for a person engaged in heavy physical labor, it may still be too little.
      2. +6
        April 5 2025 08: 44
        . Your face won't crack from this.

        I was delighted and laughed at the expression - living Russian speech!
        wassat ))))
        Only I can crack my face from that amount of calories )))
        In fact, we have no idea how much nervous energy was spent, and it, the bad one, eats up life, and the body needs food in return.
        Vladimir Soldatov writes below that a warrior needs 4000 calories per day on LBS. And that's true. I suppose that's how the Vikings felt - on LBS. Even if they were just sailing, peacefully rowing. Constant alertness.
        1. +10
          April 5 2025 09: 11
          writes that a warrior needs 4000 calories per day for LBS.
          I don’t know how it is now, but in the 50s and 60s, flight crews were entitled to 5000 calories per day.
          1. +3
            April 5 2025 09: 45
            5000 calories per day.

            Of course! And let's talk about overloads! Any change in speed, and they are sometimes imperceptible, and sometimes very noticeable. To this day, indelibly, -- the pilot's face under overload. The body just squeals from this, suffers.
            Hello Sergey! love )))
            1. +4
              April 5 2025 10: 12
              Hello, Lyudmila. Overloads are only on maneuverable aircraft, and by the age of 35-40, all pilots are written off, at a minimum, as transporters. These ones fly almost to 50, if they deceive the medical commission. My father flew until he was 38, but he was a navigator (Il-28), and he was also subject to Khrushchev's layoffs. And the entire crew was supposed to have such calories, even the gunner-radio operator who sits in the aft cabin.
        2. +3
          April 5 2025 15: 29
          The daily caloric intake in the USSR (if my memory serves me right) was 2 calories per day. But not exactly, it was a long time ago.
          "The first category (norm No. 1) - Red Army soldiers and command staff of combat units of the active army and combat units and formations of the second echelon: 800 - 900 g of rye bread, 150 g of meat, 140 g of various cereals, 100 g of fish, 30 g of animal fats, 35 g of sugar, 500 g of potatoes, 320 g of vegetables, 30 g of salt. The caloric content of the ration in winter was 3.547 calories, in summer - 3.357 calories"
    2. +6
      April 5 2025 15: 17
      And you don't have to go far to professional historians. How do today's sailors, fishermen, and military sailors differ from the Vikings, any other seafarers, whether ancient or medieval?

      Nothing….
      Only there were no refrigerators. The only preservative was salt. So the basis for preserving food products is heat treatment (cooking, frying and smoking), plus dehydration (drying, curing). Salted herring was the queen of the table in European countries and even the cause of wars!
      1. +5
        April 5 2025 22: 13
        Mr. Kohanka (Vladislav), do you know where the Vikings had salt springs from which they collected brine and evaporated salt?
        Maybe one of the comrades on the site read: where and how the Vikings mined salt... For me, this question is a completely dark forest.
        1. +6
          April 5 2025 22: 37
          Kolobrzeg on the southern Baltic coast. Salt industry, judging by ceramics, since the 7th century.
          3-4 km from the coast.
  6. +7
    April 5 2025 06: 04
    By the way, there is a channel Rusborg on the godless Zen. There are articles there about how they sailed on the Sea of ​​Azov on their replica of a drakkar. Including everyday issues of providing provisions. They came to the conclusion (in principle, logical) that they sail all day, and cook kushots at the anchorage on the shore. Accordingly, on the shore it was possible to get something else to eat besides the provisions on the ship.
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 07: 07
      Accordingly, on the shore it was possible to get hold of something else to eat in addition to the supplies on the ship.

      Again...
      1. You can go to the store (it's nearby, 7 miles). Buy, take away... You need to allocate a quarter of the team to bring food for everyone. (A third of the team needs to be sent for beer - less won't work (richest life experience)).
      2. Hunting, fishing and other egg collection - a third of the team in the hunting party. You need to lose two days (the day of harvesting, the day of canning) but stock up for a week or more.
      Again, it's a question of storage.
  7. +7
    April 5 2025 06: 31
    Bread and cereals could hardly be stored properly without a deck to protect them from waves and splashes. Again, to cook cereals, you need a hearth, which is impossible to place in a drakkar without a deck. Therefore, at sea, the Vikings had to make do with what was stored in relatively hermetic barrels, and could be eaten as is, without cooking or even heating. So, corned beef is our everything. And it was the Scandinavians who held rotten shark meat in high esteem. hakarl. Although, why was it, it is still considered a delicacy among them. To prepare it, even expensive and scarce in those days salt was not required. And if they swam close to the shore, then they used what could be bought from the locals, either for money, or simply upon presentation of all sorts of piercing-chopping-crushing iron.
  8. +7
    April 5 2025 06: 44
    The list of provisions includes only agricultural products. For some reason, seafood is excluded: fish, seals and whales.
    1. +12
      April 5 2025 07: 27
      The layout is interesting, but the assumptions are not indisputable.
      1. Scandinavians are famous for the abundance of fish in their diet. In addition, each participant in the expedition a priori knows how to fish/hunt/procure. From the conditional cabin boy to the earl.
      2. Despite the fact that the Vikings were excellent at ocean crossings, their main traffic was cabotage. This means that taking aboard a six-month supply for autonomous travel is not rational. Especially since part of the route passed through neutral and relatively friendly waters.
      3. It is often stated that the average Viking campaign is not a pure raid, but a military and trade operation. That is, in one place, where they are vigilant and strong, we trade peacefully. At the same time, we find out the news, whether the neighbors have relaxed. In another, where they can attack with impunity, they raise the dragon to the bow and attack. All this greatly reduces the load on the "holds" of the drakkar.
      4. The issue of determining the daily norm and composition of food has not been sufficiently worked out. Taking into account the lower average height at that time, with much greater endurance than now. Although the daily norm of 4000-5000 kcal is approximately correct. Especially in the absence of quarters and heating. But this is critical precisely during a long ocean/sea passage, and not cabotage.
      5. The popularity of all kinds of surströming, or rotten fish, in Scandinavia seems to hint at its unpretentiousness and adaptability.

      Really large conquest or plunder campaigns were relatively rare and were organized by the efforts of the entire region in the hope of getting some booty. But this was already a more or less centralized matter. Which meant organizing supplies, including capacious sea transports called cogs.
      1. +6
        April 5 2025 08: 31
        It is indicated in many places that the average Viking expedition was not a pure raid, but a military and trade operation.

        Here's the nuance: Just as every true believer must perform the Hajj, just as every Komsomol member must have a parachutist's badge, so every Viking must cover himself with glory. Experienced earls would be purely in trade, but they would woo their sons, nephews and other neighbors into the crew, respected people. And they would supply them with birch bark letters: "Take, they say, my eagle, who pecks trees, otherwise the girls won't dance with him at the disco. And I'll give you three carts of grain."
        1. +1
          April 5 2025 20: 42
          Here's the nuance: Just as every true believer must perform the Hajj, just as every Komsomol member must have a parachutist badge, so every Viking must cover himself with glory.
          So the first does not contradict the second in any way. During one trip, you can easily manage to rob in one place without being punished, trade in another, simply prepare an animal in a third, have a good time in a fourth and drink away part of the spoils, and in a fifth, lay down the head of one of the crew. And so on for six months, twenty times in a circle or in any order. It depends on how much you encounter along the way.
    2. +3
      April 5 2025 08: 49
      fish, seals and whales.

      Good morning Anton! )))
      For some reason this morning I feel like laughing unhealthily. But then I imagined how Vikings hunt friendly dolphins, and I faded.
      1. +6
        April 5 2025 08: 57
        hunt friendly dolphins
        And unfriendly killer whales!
        Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        1. +4
          April 5 2025 09: 27
          Hello

          Anton! Glad to see you! love )))
          I read the news with laughter! They promised a lot, namely: Swan Lake, a coup d'etat, Prigozhin's return, freezing of deposits, devaluation and digitalization and... nothing happens! Hey, politicians, it's boring! wassat )))
          About the Vikings' diet is surprisingly fresh. As if a hive was stirred up, and the bees are buzzing, and I like the buzz of thoughts! )))
          1. +5
            April 5 2025 10: 10
            They promised a lot, namely: Swan Lake, a coup d'etat, the return of Prigozhin, freezing of deposits, devaluation and digitalization and...
            Zombo Apocalypse.
          2. +6
            April 5 2025 10: 12
            About the Vikings' diet is surprisingly fresh
            At the very least, I am glad that this article will not be discussed by the "enemies of accordionists" and the enemies of their enemies.
            1. +4
              April 5 2025 19: 55
              Don't underestimate Tatra, it will find enemies of the USSR among the Vikings.
              1. +1
                April 5 2025 19: 58
                Don't underestimate Tatra,
                Do not commemorate by night!
      2. +7
        April 5 2025 10: 54
        depressant (lyudmila yakovlevna kuznetsova), good day to you! Even today, men in the Faroe Islands enjoy grinding every year, because it's a tradition since the 10th century. Anton wrote very correctly about seals and whales... This "breadwinner of the entire USSR" Laima Vaikule, with her comrades, spoke out loudly against the trade of Greenland seals in the White Sea. And in Arkhangelsk, a monument to a seal stands on the bank of the Northern Dvina opposite the Eternal Flame with the inscription: "Oh, how many people you saved from hunger and cold." ... During the Great Patriotic War, off the coast of Nyonoksa, beluga whales were hunted by brigades of men over 50 years old from the Kirov region mobilized into the labor army. Most of them saw the sea for the first time in 1942. But they learned to steer boats and shoot from old Winchesters, and they fulfilled the plan.
        1. +2
          April 5 2025 16: 25
          Quote: Tests
          And in Arkhangelsk, a monument to the seal stands on the bank of the Northern Dvina opposite the Eternal Flame with the inscription: "Oh, how many people you saved from hunger and cold." ...During the Great Patriotic War, off the bank of the Nyonoksa, beluga whales were hunted by brigades of men from the Kirov region mobilized into the labor army.

          I talked to old Balaklava fishermen, descendants of the Laistrygonians... Star-Pulls, Captains... Who survived in Sevastopol during WWII. So dolphins, meat, lard... saved the lives of people who remained in the city after the fall of Sevastopol. They ate stinking dolphin lard (and it is white and thick, like a pig's). meat... They said that the smell of blubber haunts them to this day...
          1. +2
            April 5 2025 22: 51
            30 vis (Yuri), and the Germans in 1942-44 near Sevastopol shot dolphins with machine guns on an industrial scale. And the USSR until the mid-60s of the 20th century both in the Sea of ​​Azov and in the Black Sea caught dolphins with a gun, and in 5-7 years it realized that many wounded were drowning, they began to catch only with nets. Turkey and later did not stop fishing. At the beginning of the 21st century, the harbour porpoise - Azovka, now an endangered species, well, and the SVO, and the accidents of "Volgoneft" last year further reduced the herd of these dolphins ... The meat of all the seals that were eaten in Arkhangelsk: Greenland, sea hares, seals - stinks. The meat and fat - belugas, like all whales - stinks. Fat, especially. If the sea during a storm near a city throws a dead whale on the shore, where a bear won't gobble it up in one go, in a week all the dogs in that place will be lying around - fighting off the scent of the predator. Even at high tide, the dogs will rush across the water to that place to rub against the decomposed carcass, no matter how cold the water is.
            1. +1
              April 6 2025 09: 00
              Good day. The point is that people in a city dying from hunger survived on the meat and fat of dolphins... Azovka is a small, round dolphin... Quite trusting of people... I often saw them in Sevastopol Bay... About five swim and all you can hear is a puff, puff, exhale with a small fountain of water...
              1. +3
                April 6 2025 12: 31
                30 vis (Yuri), respected, so my mother (she was born in 1937, the youngest of 5 children), in her own words, survived the war only thanks to the meat and fat of seals, Canadian wheat, and her own potatoes, which grew on a swampy area near the house on Brevennik Island (today Brevennik is part of Arkhangelsk) ... I have not seen Azov dolphins in either the Black or Azov Seas, only bottlenose dolphins ... If we talk about the Viking campaigns to North America, then science cannot say for sure how reindeer and musk oxen were settled in Greenland, Labrador, Newfoundland at that time. Musk oxen, in particular, are ideal as an object of hunting, they do not run away, unlike deer.
  9. +5
    April 5 2025 07: 06
    in this case, Arab dirhams.
    Now it remains to understand where the Normans got Arab money from before the start of mass raids and, as a result, trade?
    1. Fat
      +6
      April 5 2025 11: 14
      Hello Anton.
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      in this case, Arab dirhams.
      Now it remains to understand where the Normans got Arab money from before the start of mass raids and, as a result, trade?

      What do you mean from where? From the Varangians to the Greeks and back.
      1. +3
        April 5 2025 11: 50
        From the Varangians to the Greeks and back.
        Did it exist before the Norman expansion?
        Hello Borisych!
        1. +4
          April 5 2025 12: 39
          From the Varangians to the Greeks and back.

          Andrey Borisovich, hello!
          love )))
          I have the impression that money was not only moving along meridians, but also along parallels and even diagonals. Someone was running in those days from east to west and vice versa - all over Europe. And spreading this or that money like an infection. I remember there was even an article
          1. +4
            April 5 2025 15: 20
            The whole point is that mines and minting of silver coins during the Viking era were carried out in the Arab Caliphate, and the Vikings considered silver a means of payment, and gold a "treasure" (gold was not used in settlements).
            Arab silver was widespread and circulated as far as Europe. It did not matter who minted the coin or how much silver it contained.
        2. Fat
          +6
          April 5 2025 12: 43
          The Varangians traveled up the rivers of Rus' and reached the Caspian Sea, and from there they went to the Caliphate... Who the Varangians were has not yet been determined.
          If they were Normans, then from the 9th to the 13th century, hardly earlier.
  10. +11
    April 5 2025 07: 58
    I would like to point out several methodological errors in the article.
    Firstly, in the “Viking Age” there was no opposition between Viking and peasant.
    And there was no such thing as a peasant. Bond – the one who owned land and worked it, bondes, the analogue of the "husbands" of ancient Rus' – free community members of the period of the neighbor-territorial community. Bondes "peasants" were all armed, among them were very powerful bondes, whose wealth was equal to earls. For example, Iron Skeggi from Trondheim, Raud the Mighty from the fjord Salfti, etc. There are hundreds of them in the Sagas.
    The peasant bondes, governed by the assembly of all freemen, the ting, were the basis of the ledung, the sea militia, and were constantly on Viking expeditions at their own risk. They had large ships, like those listed above, and could engage in battle with the kings.
    Eventually Olaf the Saint was cut down in battle by Thorir the Dog and Kalf, the leaders of the "peasants".
    The sagas also provide a description of how and what was taken on board and how long the journey took, but it is still worth first looking at the historical source, and not hypothetical calculations.
    Yes, there is scientific literature on this subject, but I can’t remember it right away.
    hi
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 08: 12
      Hello Edward!
      The article is fundamentally provocative, of the type:
      "Everything is fine with the Normans,
      But isn't there some deception here?" (C)
      1. +8
        April 5 2025 08: 42
        Good morning again!
        Right now I'm reading the artist Vereshchagin's memoirs about the war of 1877-78. It's about food, months of nothing but crackers, unless you steal something from the village.
        Food, once a day, late in the evening...if not on Shipka.
    2. +2
      April 5 2025 09: 32
      I would like to point out several methodological errors.

      Oh, the heavy artillery has entered the battle!
      Edward, welcome! love )))
      There Anton grumbles, and how did the Vikings end up with drachmas? Or maybe it was the same way, say, Indian spices ended up in Europe.
      1. +4
        April 5 2025 10: 35
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good morning,
        Somehow the bell doesn't remind me of the answers.
        and how did the Vikings end up with drachmas?

        So the culture is such a multiculturalism laughing
        hi
        1. +1
          April 5 2025 12: 51
          culture-multure

          That's what I'm talking about. I wrote to Andrey Borisovich about this topic below.
          I would even say this: cross-pollination! wassat )))
          AND!... )))
          An article about food is just right for the first day of Lent!
    3. +1
      April 5 2025 11: 39
      No question. Which saga specifically says how much and what was taken on board.
      Let's take a look and compare.
      1. 0
        April 5 2025 12: 59
        Which saga specifically says how much and what was taken on board?


        Dmitry! love )))
        In fact, your article is excellent! What a lot of work was put into it, how many calculations were done! How much comparative analysis! I read it and was stunned.
        You are great, you are a Master! good
        And the fact that criticism has begun shows that the article has touched a nerve.
        Probably, because of Lent before Easter, everyone is sitting hungry and they are drawn to spitefulness. Because a hungry man is an angry man! )))
        1. +5
          April 5 2025 13: 02
          Thank you!
          I think I'll continue this topic a little later.

          When it’s interesting, when there’s an interest in finding out, calculations aren’t a burden.
          1. +1
            April 5 2025 19: 31
            In my opinion, you have written a completely useless article, firstly, you have set the task incorrectly from the very beginning, for some reason you calculated provisions for a whaling ship for 180 days, this is completely pointless. Vikings did not go 180 days on the open sea, why, you look at possible sea routes, average speed and immediately divide the number of days at sea by ten.
            Secondly, you haven’t worked with the sources, and they exist, first of all, these are historical works by Scandinavians, the most complete, you can make inquiries to museums or institutes, they speak excellent English and will answer you.
            Thirdly, you have an error in your “key” method, German whaling ships have nothing to do with the Vikings, you need to first of all analyze the diet of the Scandinavian peoples and in your analysis there is not a word about seafood/fish, where in your analysis you have dried cod as the main diet of the Vikings.
            And so, yes, you came up with a problem and proved that with those initial conditions in the problem (which have no historical significance) the campaign was impossible.
            1. +1
              April 5 2025 20: 36
              First of all, sources are chronicles, sagas, documents. Historical works are not sources. This already indicates the mess in your head.
              Secondly, which ones? A comrade has already come here who spoke about sagas, but when asked to name a specific saga, he somehow developed amnesia. So here is a question for you: which works by Scandinavian historians should I read? Don't be shy, I can speak both Swedish and Norwegian... laughing

              By the way, you don't know anything about fish. Otherwise you wouldn't have said that. laughing
              1. +2
                April 5 2025 20: 52
                I have a good experience of participating in scientific and technical discussions, so your manipulation will not work, and let's start from the very beginning, what problem are we solving? The Vikings' 180-day journey on the open sea or their real expeditions, where sailing on the open sea took an average of a week.
                We'll talk about fish and stuff later.
                1. +1
                  April 5 2025 21: 19
                  So what kind of works by Scandinavian historians should I read? laughing
                  You made a statement - answer.

                  Why did you decide that the Vikings, when going on a military campaign to a foreign and hostile coast, took provisions only for the time they were in the open sea? They took provisions for the entire planned military campaign for that year, and, judging by the chronicles, the campaigns were long. During this time, they could make one passage, two, five, wait in the open sea for a convenient moment to attack, conduct reconnaissance of the coast, support the landing on the shore, and so on. That is why I counted 180 days, that is, for the entire navigation period.

                  In other words, you are trying to impose on me a deliberately absurd interpretation.
                  1. 0
                    April 5 2025 22: 58
                    I am not forcing anything on you at all, I am just asking you to define the task/problem, so you still claim that the Vikings could not spend 180 days on the open sea based on the necessary provisions, if so then I don’t even see the point in arguing with you because in general I agree with you.
                    1. +1
                      April 5 2025 23: 15
                      I read your message three times and still don’t understand what you want from me?
                      1. 0
                        April 6 2025 00: 40
                        Look, you took information about the necessary provisions for a German whaling ship going out to fish in the open sea for 180 days. It makes sense to somehow analyze this data only if the Vikings also spent 180 days at sea. If not, then your analysis is simply meaningless.
                      2. +2
                        April 6 2025 10: 07
                        The article contains a daily schedule. Multiply it by any required number of days.
                        But in my opinion, they prepared and had it in stock for the entire navigation season, regardless of current plans.
                      3. 0
                        April 6 2025 22: 34
                        Once again, what does the presence of whalers in the open sea for 180 days have to do with the Vikings, who spent no more than two weeks in the open sea? Under such conditions, your miracle "method" of the key makes no sense at all.
                      4. 0
                        April 6 2025 23: 00
                        In my opinion, your thinking is hopelessly corrupted. For some reason, you believe that as soon as the Vikings landed on the shore, they either completely lost their need for food, or simply had some kind of grocery store at their disposal.
                        You, like many others, over-absolutize the Vikings' plundering, as if it was easy and simple for them. And it was not easy and simple. Firstly, the objects of plunder were scattered at a decent distance from any anchorage and you still had to get to them. Secondly, you could be attacked at any moment. And there were quite a few such cases.
                        Not to mention that, by landing on the shore, they could easily reveal their location and, as a result, be attacked. When an army goes out to plunder, it becomes extremely vulnerable and can easily be defeated by an enemy that is greatly inferior in numbers.
                        It follows from this that the king who took supplies in moderation and constantly roamed the shore in search of something to rob, would quickly come under counterattack and perish with his detachment.
                        But the cautious king, who stocked up for the entire navigation, had provisions on board, was at sea, out of sight from the shore, was conducting reconnaissance, was acting cautiously and attacking with certainty, he was the one who won with trophies.

                        I think I'm explaining the basics.
                        How low do you have to be to not understand this?
      2. +10
        April 5 2025 14: 26
        Unfortunately I can't figure out if this is a question for me or not? Something is wrong with the site.
        So, you are writing about some kind of 180-day hike?
        what whalers?
        From Norway to the north of England it takes a week at most.
        From Denmark to the north of Germany it is no more.
        All the expeditions went along the coast, with constant stops and the acquisition of supplies; look again in the Sagas, how they got to Rus': they didn’t sail directly from Trondheim to Adelbjuborg, did they?
        What you write is called “modernization” of the historical process, when modern concepts are transferred, without proper analysis of historical sources, to the past.
        1. -2
          April 5 2025 17: 37
          The name of the saga, please.
          1. +4
            April 5 2025 19: 23
            The Sagas, for example "The Circle of the Earth", are full of reports about equipping ships, but nowhere is there any information about preparing food for 180 days.
            Do you know such Sagas?
            1. +1
              April 5 2025 20: 24
              There are references to ships being equipped, but no details. Even in the sagas of Olaf Tryggvason (283 references to ships) and Olaf the Saint (470 references to ships) these details are missing.
              Either you simply don’t understand the difference between a one-word mention and a detailed description, or you’re simply retelling someone else’s speculations without having watched it yourself.
              However, I haven't watched everything. But if you point me to a specific saga, I'll definitely watch it. laughing

              It was you who came in with the assertion that, supposedly, there is nothing to research here, everything is in the sagas. Right? Right. Then the proof must be yours.
  11. BAI
    +6
    April 5 2025 08: 19
    It goes without saying that the Vikings sailed on a whim and in the hope of plundering some monastery. They always took supplies for the entire estimated duration of the campaign, so as to have provisions for the return, regardless of the vicissitudes of military fortune.

    Why shouldn't we? When we went on an autonomous 50-day hike, we made a 42-day layout. 8 days - we had to catch fish or shoot animals. Otherwise - nothing to eat.
    And the same Vikings had to rely on local food supplies.
    Does the author think that armies carried a supply train for the entire duration of the campaign?
    Did Napoleon know about this on his way back from Moscow?
    1. +2
      April 5 2025 09: 07
      When we went on an autonomous 50-day hike, we made a layout for 42 days. 8 days - we had to catch fish or shoot animals. Otherwise - nothing to eat.
      Adventurers, however. When the weather changes, the fish stops being caught completely, I got into this once in my youth. After that, the layout was done carefully, for the entire duration of the trip.
  12. +18
    April 5 2025 08: 27
    The Vikings' main food was dried cod, which contains about 85% protein and a great many different vitamins. In addition, according to scientists, cod is the most useful and durable food, which can be stored, if, of course, it is not exposed to water, for up to 15 years! When the Vikings went to sea, they strictly followed the Norwegian law of that time, which very strictly established the amount of food received by each member of the team per day - 880 grams (pound) barley flour and 285 grams of butter, from which a fatty porridge was prepared.

    The old Norwegian maritime laws also prescribed three daily landings for the cook - one to replenish water and two to prepare food, since Viking ships navigated by points along the coast during their voyages...

    P.S.. You don't need to invent any "Key Methods" for this, just google Scandinavian sites. Or wander around virtual Viking-themed museums...
  13. +7
    April 5 2025 08: 31
    The drakkar is empty, without a cargo of food, which must be on any ship going out to sea.


    The drakkar most likely had at least a few days' worth of supplies. And everything else was on the supply knorrs, from which it was unloaded as needed. A knorr could carry more than 100 tons of various cargo. If desired, it was possible to transport even disassembled siege weapons on them, although this was not practiced. In fact, if you go to Vika in an economy version, you can take advantage of seasonal discounts from the peasants, buy cheap ready-made food and other supplies in time in the fall and load the knorr in the spring and leave. Well, it is inconvenient to transport loot, the wounded, doctors, horses and carts (for loot), repair supplies of materials, various narrow specialists, etc. on drakkars - it is more convenient to have a knorr specialized for cargo transportation, or even more than one.
  14. +6
    April 5 2025 08: 32
    It takes 12,6 carts to transport 18 tons of grain.

    700 kg is the load capacity of one cart - however. The load capacity of modern carts is somewhere around 300 kg. For comparison - the UAZ flatbed truck has a load capacity of 800 kg.
  15. +3
    April 5 2025 09: 04
    Good analytical material. Otherwise they will write in the chronicles about "a hundred thousand million drakkars", but here is a competent assessment of the real size of the fleet. Respect to the author.
  16. +4
    April 5 2025 09: 04
    Drobyshevsky has a lecture about ancient galley rowers - slaves who were excavated in Kerch, they ate mainly fish, here nothing is said about fish.
    1. +6
      April 5 2025 09: 13
      nothing is said here about fish.

      And nothing is said about cargo knorrs either. The author is simply a "chronologist" by orientation - which he does not hide -
      Let professional historians continue to professionally retell the chronicles.
      1. -1
        April 5 2025 11: 34
        You are cursing here - "Chronolozhets". And did these professional historians of yours refute Fomenko? Didn't they quietly grumble in their departments, but publicly, so that he would shut up? And then in Yaroslavl they opened a museum of "New Chronology", and Fomenko himself recently gave an interview in which he guaranteed...
        These professional retellings are not getting anywhere. I will have to deal with the issue of overthrowing the "New Chronology" myself. laughing
        1. +4
          April 5 2025 12: 47
          And did these professional historians of yours refute Fomenko?
          Repeatedly and in various ways. For example, the article "The Syndrome of the "New Chronology", author - Doctor of Physics and Mathematics Yu.N. Efremov (Head of Department of the SAI MSU), published in the "Vestnik RFBR" No. 1 (11) 1998. It clearly shows how Fomenko falsified Ptolemy's "Almagest". True, this exposure is not from a historian, but from an astronomer, but Fomenko put falsification from astronomy into his theory.
          1. +1
            April 5 2025 12: 51
            This had no effect on him or his supporters, so they didn’t get in.
            I have read a lot of criticism, but I see that there is no question there - why did all this have to be done? What is the goal?
            1. +2
              April 5 2025 12: 58
              This had no effect on him or his supporters, so they didn’t get in.
              Got it. But believers don't need it. And they are believers, arguments don't work for them. The goal is popularity and the aura of "throwers of official science." There are many of them now, and they are all believers, they don't need arguments. Arguments are needed by those who want to understand. In the mid-90s, Valyansky worked in our department, also a chronologist, but in Russian history. When his latest book came out, he started asking me about housing prices in Zhukovsky (I had just moved there and was aware of these issues). So this business is quite profitable.
              1. +2
                April 5 2025 13: 00
                If you can't break faith, then you haven't hit the nail on the head, you haven't reached the main thesis. And so reasoning like: "Believers don't need it" is a form of defeat and capitulation in the discussion.
                1. +2
                  April 5 2025 13: 13
                  If you can't break faith,
                  They have a cast-iron argument: "I believe, because it is absurd." I am not a militant atheist to dissuade believers, to break their faith. You are in the wrong place. If arguments are needed, I wrote where they are. There is no discussion with believers, by the way, I communicate only with you (by the way, are you also their apologist?) Arguments are needed only by those who want to understand the issue, and this is not observed from the other side. It is clear what Fomenko and other "writers" need on this topic, there is purely commercial interest here. So there is no discussion. My defeat - too.
                  1. +2
                    April 5 2025 13: 29
                    Your logic is excellent. All so smooth and neat...
                    By the way, Fomenko and Co. are encroaching on all social sciences at once, which, to one degree or another, are based on history, well, and on its chronology.
                    And this doesn't bother you?
                    1. +2
                      April 5 2025 13: 35
                      By the way, Fomenko and Co. are encroaching on all social sciences at once,
                      No, I don't care. It looks like another perpetual motion machine project to disprove the foundations of physics. There are no answers to the arguments given in the first source I came across. That is, there is no discussion. But there is logic. Do you have something against it?
                      1. 0
                        April 5 2025 18: 41
                        Probably not.
                        Just don't howl later.
        2. Fat
          +6
          April 5 2025 16: 47
          Quote: wehr
          These professional retellings are not getting anywhere. I will have to deal with the issue of overthrowing the "New Chronology" myself.

          On December 21, 1999, the History Department of Moscow State University held a conference entitled “Myths of the “New Chronology””, dedicated to the criticism of the concept proposed by Academician A. T. Fomenko.
          The event was attended by over 500 people, including prominent historians, mathematicians, astronomers, physicists, and linguists. Representatives of the State Duma and the media were invited.
          The conference heard well-reasoned objections to all key issues of the “new chronology.” Historians and philologists demonstrated the ignorance and amateurism of the authors of the concept using specific examples. Mathematicians, physicists, and astronomers demonstrated the incorrectness of the application of mathematical methods.
          The conference materials were published, including in the journal “New and Contemporary History”, in the “Collection of the Russian Historical Society” and in the collection “History and Anti-History”.
          A collection of works by conference participants, entitled “Myths of the ‘New Chronology’” (Moscow: “Russkaya Panorama”, 2001), was published under the editorship of V. L. Yanin.
          A selection from online publications. request
          1. 0
            April 5 2025 18: 39
            I have one small question in connection with all this. Why after this Fomenko was not kicked out of either the Russian Academy of Sciences or Moscow State University?
            1. Fat
              +5
              April 5 2025 18: 51
              Fomenko is the founder of a scientific school that develops new methods of qualitative topological analysis of dynamic systems in geometry, physics, and mechanics.
              He is not a historian at all. But as a mathematician he suits everyone, both Moscow State University and the Russian Academy of Sciences.
              Personally, I believe that the "new chronology" was politically engaged by liberals at the time of its appearance and is still active today, but they won't persecute him like Sakharov... smile
              1. +4
                April 5 2025 19: 57
                but they won't persecute him like Sakharov...
                So he is not fighting for "universal peace" and "for the right of Jews to leave the USSR without returning the money spent on their free education." So there is nothing to fight for yet.
                1. Fat
                  +1
                  April 5 2025 20: 20
                  Oh well. If there's a back, there'll be guilt...
            2. +5
              April 5 2025 18: 55
              Why after this Fomenko wasn’t kicked out of either the Russian Academy of Sciences or Moscow State University?
              Because, as a mathematician, there are no complaints about him. And non-professional "talking nonsense to the masses" (c) is not prohibited by law in our country, if it does not contradict the interests of the state (and even then, only for the last 3 years).
            3. +3
              April 5 2025 19: 37
              Are you related to science? In fact, every week someone refutes the theory/work of another colleague, this is a normal process in the scientific community, why should you fire someone? Well, Fomenko came up with his “New Chronologies”, well, they analyzed his work, found mistakes, showed weak points, maybe someone even laughed, and then everyone went their separate ways.
              1. +5
                April 5 2025 19: 53
                At this point everyone left.
                Except for the Fomenkovites, who continue their business. It is a profitable business, writing scandalous books.
                1. +3
                  April 6 2025 22: 57
                  And young minds... and not so young, to seduce.. How many illiterate apologists (they are the ones counting on)...
              2. +3
                April 5 2025 21: 06
                Are you related to science? In fact, every week someone refutes the theory/work of another colleague, this is a normal process in the scientific community, why should you fire someone?
                Sorry for butting into the conversation, I have a direct relation to science. The process you described is abnormal if the overthrower is ignorant. This happens very often. Once I was given a book to review, where the author refuted Carnot's theorem, and did it disguised - first he had a diesel locomotive, a couple of pages later he replaced it with a four-terminal network. I pointed this out, but did not write a scathing review, since this work was given to me by a person I respect - he himself is a radar specialist, and the work was written by his friend. After some time, I saw this delirious monograph published unchanged.
                1. +3
                  April 6 2025 00: 54
                  The process you described is abnormal if the overthrower is ignorant.


                  Unfortunately, this is already a reality, and not only in Russia. There was a scandal recently. Neurologist Eliezer Masliya, who wrote more than 800 scientific articles and is a world luminary, turned out to be a falsifier who had been falsifying data for more than 20 years.
                  https://www.alzforum.org/news/community-news/data-fabrication-ousted-nia-neuroscience-director-eliezer-masliah

                  In China, 21 fake scientific articles have been counted since 17
                  https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00397-x
        3. 0
          April 5 2025 19: 49
          Quote: wehr
          You are cursing here - "Chronologist". And did these professional historians of yours refute Fomenko?

          Both.. Yes, the author directly confirms that he is a follower of Fomenko.. Now there is no doubt that the entire article is bullshit, just a direct and deliberate lie. One of the many lovers of sophistry, confident that lies and fantasy are always in greater demand than truth or reality. wassat
          1. -3
            April 5 2025 19: 57
            The comments above say that Fomenko did it this way, scientists are joking.
            You are hard to understand. You attack the "chronology people", then when asked why Fomenko was not expelled from Moscow State University and the Russian Academy of Sciences for obvious anti-scientific nonsense and gross violation of scientific principles, you say that it is all so, not serious, jokes, etc.
            You should decide on your position on this issue.
            1. +4
              April 5 2025 20: 09
              Quote: wehr
              the question is why Fomenko was not expelled from Moscow State University and the Russian Academy of Sciences for obvious anti-scientific nonsense and gross violation of scientific principles,

              One can also pose a broader question: where do we get mountains of doctors of science among federal officials and how good are their dissertations? I remember even our bright-faced one directly forbade officials to make dissertations. Which did not help much in clearing our science from many, to put it mildly, weak scientists.

              And by the way, Fomenko was not at all in the RAS for his fantasies in historical terms, but for his very powerful and real achievements in mathematics. Well, everyone has long since come to terms with the fact that mathematicians, by definition, have a complicated mind. laughing
              1. -1
                April 5 2025 20: 28
                Let's finish with Fomenko.
                So for you too this is "scientists making jokes"? Well then why all this pathos about "chronologists"?
                It turns out that Fomenko is beyond criticism and it neither bothers him nor makes him hot or cold. And you support this. How interesting?

                In my opinion, Fomenko, as a mathematician, with a brain sharpened by theorems, is certainly capable of distinguishing a correct judgment from an incorrect one. And if he does not do this, and especially on a large scale and publicly, this is undoubtedly intent.
              2. +1
                April 6 2025 00: 55
                I remember even our fair-faced one directly forbade officials to make dissertations


                Our fair-faced candidate of economic sciences himself)
  17. Fat
    +7
    April 5 2025 09: 33
    It was harder for them at sea due to the lack of below-deck spaces

    Why would that be? Enough remains of Viking ships have been found; it has been established that drakkars and knorrs had a deck, often semi-collapsible. In order for the ship not to lose stability, it required ballast, which could also consist of useful cargo. The knorr was generally a transport vessel with very decent capacity due to its greater draft. It is strange that dried fish was excluded from the assessment of the diet; it was a very noticeable element in the Viking diet.
    In 1893, Norwegian Magnus Andersen built an exact replica of the Gokstad longship, named it "Viking", and sailed from Bergen, Norway.
    A crew of 12 Norwegians successfully crossed the North Atlantic on this ship and arrived in Chicago for the Columbian Exposition, showing an average speed of 9-10 knots. Maybe it was worth looking at what the expedition members were eating?
    1. +3
      April 5 2025 17: 43
      Concentrates, freeze-dried products, dry milk, etc.
  18. +3
    April 5 2025 15: 53
    180 days is too much. "Cut the sturgeon" at least in half. You can swim in the summer, but the rest of the time - storms, bad weather, and there are things to do at home.
    1. +1
      April 5 2025 19: 38
      Yes, what twice, boldly ten times, where else can I swim?
    2. Fat
      +3
      April 5 2025 20: 49
      F. Nansen's expedition to the "Fram" in 1893 took provisions for 5 years, even dog pemmican, which the dogs refused to eat. They had to hunt sea animals and polar bears.
      The first thing to run out of the expedition's supplies in 1894 was beer and malt....
  19. +1
    April 5 2025 17: 40
    And no vitamins. Except b12.
  20. -1
    April 5 2025 17: 45
    The article is correct.
    Now even professional historians have begun to count, for example Vitaly Pensky.
    On VO several years ago there was an article about the journey of the Vikings-Varangians along the route "from the Varangians to the Greeks". There was also an approach based on the number of warriors in the boat and the amount and volume of food.
    And one more thing. It was necessary to clarify the modern concept of "Viking".
    During excavations of the "Viking" cemetery in Visby, DNA was examined. There was a decent amount of DNA of Turkic-speaking representatives.
    The mutually beneficial symbiosis between agricultural workers and professional warriors is quite understandable.
    100 pennants is really a lot.
    PS for everyone who suggests fishing, seal hunting, etc. along the way.
    If someone went hunting or fishing, then they know that there is a clear plan. Where and how long to get there. And if you went for taimen, then you will not waste time on catching crucian carp along the way.
  21. +6
    April 5 2025 19: 58
    If we take the capacity of a barrel as 160 liters, and the capacity of a bag as 80 kg, then we get the following calculation in weight indicators:

    What a delight! All the figures given are obviously bullshit. Who talks about 160-liter barrels in relation to a drakkar? It is not a fact that such barrels were even loaded onto galleons, because how can you carry them? What 80 kg in a bag of dry grain? Can you imagine the size? It is light.. What 80 kg bags for 13th century loaders? With an average height of 160 cm, they weighed 60-70 kg, and besides, they carried 80 kg bags?? laughing

    The whole article is pure bullshit, the author himself admitted in the comments that he is a supporter of Fomenko, i.e. he simply made it all up to once again confuse the heads of the reading but inattentive people. laughing
    1. -3
      April 5 2025 20: 31
      Slander began to spread.
      And what will this give you? I'm just interested in the reasons that make people resort to slander. laughing
      1. +3
        April 6 2025 14: 09
        Quote: wehr
        Slander began to spread.

        In what place? Maybe in the size of the bags? Where have you ever seen 80 kg bags? A standard Soviet bag held 50 kg of wheat or 40 kg of oats. In the Middle Ages, bags were made smaller, and even now they are mostly packaged for sale in 20-30 kg bags.

        You initially lied to the readers and are still offended by some slander. wassat
        1. 0
          April 6 2025 17: 46
          In an old German book, the cargo was listed in sacks and barrels. But I needed to convert it into metric measures. So I had to dig through old reference books of trade measures and weights to find out what was meant by a barrel and a sack in Hamburg at the beginning of the 18th century. This is what was meant.
          In Germany there were a number of such measures that initially designated a specific load, such as a sack or a cart (die Last), and then they received a standard measure.
          You could have asked. No need to yell and throw a tantrum.

          Or does this topic bother you in some way?
          1. +1
            April 6 2025 20: 54
            Quote: wehr
            In Germany there were a number of such measures that initially designated a specific load, such as a sack or a cart (die Last), and then they received a standard measure.

            I have no doubt. But the current unit of measurement at that time was a pound. Half as much as a kilogram. And judging by the crazy numbers you named, you either failed to translate or deliberately lied. By the way, it looks much more like the latter. negative
            1. -1
              April 6 2025 21: 33
              You can only convince me by referring to some reliable source that will indicate the equivalent of Hamburg sacks and barrels in kg or pounds, or whatever you want for conversion to metric measure.

              If you don’t have this link, you can scream, freak out, or bang your head on the table - I won’t bend to your opinion.
              And anyway, what kind of kindergarten is this - pants with suspenders, throwing a tantrum?
              1. +1
                April 7 2025 08: 53
                Quote: wehr
                You can only convince me by referring to some reliable source that will indicate the equivalent of Hamburg sacks and barrels in kg or pounds.

                You deliberately lied, cited crazy figures pulled out of thin air and at the same time demand that someone research this issue for you? wassat
                1. +1
                  April 7 2025 12: 59
                  I do not demand anything from you, mainly because you cannot study, research, or present anything interesting.

                  That's why I think it's better to do a hellish job yourself than to rely on so-called "colleagues" and then get a fig, eye-flapping and a kindergarten tantrum.
                  1. +1
                    April 7 2025 20: 25
                    Quote: wehr
                    That's why I think it's better to do a hellish job yourself than to rely on so-called "colleagues" and then get a fig,

                    Leave me alone with your nonsense. He did the work. They never took grain on sea voyages, there is no mill or bakery on the deck of the drakkar. fool
                    1. -1
                      April 7 2025 20: 47
                      The awareness of your insignificance and your incompetence burns inside you. laughing
                      Of course, you will write all sorts of things now out of anger and irritation, but it won't go away from you. And you won't be able to do anything about it... or rather, you won't want to. laughing
  22. +1
    April 5 2025 20: 47
    This is a topic that would ruin the lives of many professional historians ‹…›
    This question became the starting point for my research and allowed ‹…› to turn my understanding of the Vikings upside down ‹…›
    My method ‹…› I call the “key method”.
    ‹…› and here professional historians have nothing to say. Dead end? Don't rush.
    ‹…›
    Let professional historians continue to professionally retell the chronicles

    Sorry, but I couldn't read any further this hymn to narcissism...
  23. +1
    April 5 2025 22: 09
    Truly, supply issues are the hardest in armies, any, naval or land. When you start counting food, it becomes clear why medieval armies were so small. And why Napoleon had such problems supplying a half-million-strong army. It is possible to assemble it, but to feed it you need to completely clear the area around for 50-100 kilometers. And the procurement teams also want to eat while they are traveling back and forth

    I'm surprised why fishing on the go isn't included as a benefit?
    1. -1
      April 5 2025 22: 50
      Fishing on the go - How do you imagine it? With a spinning rod, perhaps?

      The fact is that the disputants do not know that I specifically studied the issue of fishing in the Baltic Sea, and in its traditional version, that is, before industrial fishing, and there were a number of important nuances.
      1. +1
        April 5 2025 22: 57
        There is no need to fish in the Baltic. The nearest shore is a maximum of 2-3 days' journey - from Stockholm to Saaremaa is 200 km, from Kalmar to the Polish coast the same. This becomes necessary during a long run, such as crossing to Iceland or Greenland
        A path, such an elementary method - no nets. It is clear that you will not catch much this way, but for extending the autonomy - it is quite suitable. Another thing is that for cooking you need firewood and fresh water
  24. +3
    April 5 2025 23: 00
    I wonder where the author gets these details from:
    When sailing, supplies were always taken for the entire estimated duration of the campaign, so that there would be food for the return, regardless of the vicissitudes of military fortune.
    sad
    Or this detail
    The chroniclers' informants counted the Viking ships by masts and sails, mostly correctly.
    I wonder, in the author’s opinion, how many times could people count at that time?
    And this:
    And we know that the Vikings assembled even larger fleets, well in excess of 100 pennants.
    Who are "we"?
    Or
    On average, a peasant farm in the 15th–244,5th centuries in the Novgorod land, that is, very close to the peasant farm of the Varangian era, could produce XNUMX poods of commercial grain per year (XNUMX kg).
    Novgorod is located in conditions practically unsuitable for medieval agriculture. Even in the 16th century, the yield of rye in the southern regions of the Shelonskaya and Derevskaya Pyatinas usually did not exceed three or four times the average (i.e., at best, not to die of hunger). Therefore, the threat of grain shortage constantly hung over the population.
  25. +3
    April 6 2025 00: 07
    Let's do some different arithmetic - under what conditions was the transition to Greenland from Norway carried out? They were definitely there.

    First. What was the speed of the drakkar? Let's take the optimal conditions
    1) The crew doesn't get tired. That is, they row non-stop 12 hours a day in the open sea. Theoretically, it's unrealistic, at best 2 hours, that is, XNUMX shift crews. Well, and "the sail will help you go"
    2) From real practice, in 8 hours you can travel 30-35 kilometers (4 km/h) on calm water, if you really try and have little cargo (an ordinary wooden rowboat). The crazy ones even sail the Zhiguli round-the-world trip (150 km in 20 hours, 7 km/h), but this is a spherical horse in a vacuum. That is, in reality, a drakkar could travel 70-80 km in a day. Is this a lot or a little?
    3) In a straight line from Bergen to the coast of Iceland is 1200 km, this is 2 weeks of persistent sailing in an ideal environment, in reality with storms, navigational errors and headwinds - the whole month.
    4) How much food do 30 healthy men doing heavy physical labor need for a month? A kilogram a day is the minimum, which comes out to almost a ton. That's a lot, so the ship was well loaded at the beginning of the journey.
    5) In order not to lose precious time and energy, intermediate bases were created on the Orkney and Faroe Islands - then the transitions were exactly 300 km. And the entire population of these islands prepared food for the entire next season. Only fish and sheep on self-grazing, no agriculture there.
    6) From Iceland to Greenland is a real nightmare - no islands along the way and the same 1000 km. So we got there by accident and for many years this place was practically a prison - because there was nowhere to escape from there except Iceland
    1. Fat
      +1
      April 6 2025 09: 59
      The speed of the drakkar is 6-7 knots, maximum 15 knots in favorable winds.
      Average running speed is 9-10 knots on the move of course. This is up to 18,52 km/h. In the dark the running speed is minimal, only the helmsman and a couple of sailors are on watch.
      Magnus Anderson's "Viking" took 40 days to get from Bregen to Chicago.
      I suppose via Anticosti Island, the St. Lawrence River, and Lake Michigan.
      There are traces of Viking settlements on the west coast of North America. This means that the results of Anderson's expedition can be relied upon as well as your calculations.
    2. 0
      April 6 2025 10: 03
      The crew rowed only near the shore. In the open sea they sailed. I think when planning expeditions they took into account the wind rose, which was quite stable in the operational region of the Vikings. Firstly, under sail the crew did not get tired, and tired rowers are no longer fighters. Secondly, with physical effort and provisions, more was required.
      And finally, for some reason the author does not write anywhere about the nets and fish that were caught during the hikes. Fish is a very important and high-calorie product. Plus, eating fish allows you to take fewer supplies
  26. 0
    April 6 2025 05: 04
    A warship had to be fast and of course it didn't take all 10 tons with it. Plus hunger is a good motivation for victory. Well, why did they go on a campaign - to plunder and all the expenses for the campaign were recouped from the defeated. They fed them in every sense.
  27. 0
    April 6 2025 09: 58
    The author covered a very interesting topic: Viking logistics. As well as the role of the Vikings in the economy of the Early Middle Ages in general. And given the scale of the phenomenon, they could not help but participate in this economy. In particular, the loot had to be sold somewhere, and exchanged not only for food, but also weapons, clothing and equipment.
    If we talk about supplies, then there were not so many long trips, like to Iceland. Basically, the Vikings entertained themselves with coastal trips over a short distance. And they did not need supplies for the entire trip, but for a maximum of 2-3 days to the nearest base or place of robbery. And they created quite a few bases, for example, in Britain or France. So, most likely, the Vikings were fed not only by the Slavs, but by the whole of coastal Europe.
    In addition, the Vikings not only robbed, but were also actively engaged in trade. Example: the route from the Varangians to the Greeks. And they protected merchant caravans and neighboring territories from their own brothers. Note the role played by Varangian squads in a number of states, for example, in Rus' or Byzantium. And Britain was conquered not only by the Vikings, but also by their ancestors and descendants.
    So the topic is interesting and fruitful.
    1. +1
      April 6 2025 21: 48
      So we've sorted out the nutrition of the Vikings during their campaigns, now we need to sort out the nutrition of the Chukchi who periodically raided the coast of North America, the last time in 1947.
      1. -1
        April 7 2025 16: 34
        What are you talking about? The Chukchi from Chukotka raided Alaska in 1947? How is that possible? And what about the nuclear loaves?
  28. +2
    April 7 2025 00: 01
    Quote: Thick
    Magnus Anderson's "Viking" took 40 days to get from Bregen to Chicago.
    As far as I know about this project, (from memory now), even during the testing period, the Viking showed itself to be brought to the wind. Therefore, a forestaysail was installed on the Viking on the forestay. With this additional anti-historical With a sail that eliminated the above-mentioned drawback, Magnus Anderson and his crew set out on their voyage to Chicago in 1893.
    1. Fat
      +1
      April 7 2025 00: 11
      I didn’t know this detail, thank you, Sergei Petrovich.
    2. Fat
      0
      April 7 2025 14: 01
      The anti-historical nature of the expedition is also in the fact that instead of 32 rowers + "helmsman" there were only 11 rowers (who, as it turned out, could not even row properly) and the captain...
      As for the sails... It's hard to say. It is known that the Vikings could theoretically sail a broad reach, perhaps even a broad reach... But there is little information on how they managed the sails... Nevertheless, Andersen's "Viking" covered the distance from the Shetland Islands to Newfoundland autonomously in 22,5 days, covering about 2000 miles...
  29. +1
    April 7 2025 20: 37
    Quote: Thick
    It is known that the Vikings could theoretically sail a broad reach, perhaps even a broad reach... But there is little information about how they managed the sail.
    Who knows. As I understand it, if the Viking without a forestaysail on the forestay was brought to the wind, then it was brought even if the wind was blowing straight at the stern
    (jibe). Accordingly, there can be no talk of a backstay, much less a beam wind. The crew had to constantly work the oars. Or what? I didn't sail that much.
    Another moment.
    Viking Arrives in Chicago and dropped anchor at the World's Fair to much fanfare on Wednesday, 1July 2, 1893.

    And when he left:
    30 April The Viking set sail from Bergen, accompanied by a large flotilla of vessels of all types, on which were the mayor, members of the city council and many other dignitaries. Friends, wives and lovers, as well as relatives of the crew, waved handkerchiefs and sent greetings in speeches and songs to the departing Vikings.

    It seems to me that the time interval between April 30 and July 12 is not 40 days, but rather quite a bit more. 31 days of May and 30 days of June are already 61 days.
    But how long did it take the Viking to cross the Atlantic?
    The earth has been spotted May 27, almost four weeks after leaving Norway. This was Newfoundland. It took two weeks to sail along the American coast, with southern gales and heavy rains. The Viking was first received with great ceremony at Newport, and on June 17th she reached New York and was met at City Island by an American customs cutter, the monitor Mianton and a large fleet of yachts, tugs and excursion steamers. The American monitor saluted her with gunfire, and so did the forts and the man-of-war San Francisco. Many passing steamers hooted. It was a gay and beautiful sight, which no one who saw it will soon forget. The little Norwegian vessel with her glittering golden dragon was towed into New York Harbor at the head of this impressive naval procession.

    Something like that.
  30. +1
    April 7 2025 21: 33
    Quote: wehr
    But the cautious king, who stocked up for the entire navigation, had provisions on board, was at sea, out of sight from the shore, was conducting reconnaissance, was acting cautiously and attacking with certainty, he was the one who won with trophies.
    It's strange somehow. What kind of "reconnaissance" can be carried out while being out of sight from the shore? In the English Channel, it's generally difficult to find a place where a ship would be out of sight. In any case, in order to do any reconnaissance, you either have to intercept passing ships or land a group of scouts on the shore. In both cases, the Vikings will make themselves known.
    How to stock up on food for the entire navigation? Water in these northern latitudes will not spoil in a couple of days, of course, but it is guaranteed to spoil in a week. Sailors used a trick when they mixed most of the fresh water with vinegar. Vinegar mixed with water increased the shelf life of fresh water to 14 days depending on the climate and time of year. But even this time was very short during a long voyage.
    To keep the water fresh longer, sailors also actively used alcohol as an "antiseptic", since drinking rotten water could at best cause poisoning, and at worst dysentery, which all sailors feared for many centuries.
    In the British Royal Navy, the famous Vice-Admiral Edward "Old Grog" Vernon (who commanded the fleet in 1739-1742) began issuing each crew member a half-pint (0.284 liters) of rum daily as a preventative measure against scurvy and various stomach ailments. Since many sailors would then start drunken rowdies, Admiral Vernon found a brilliant solution to the problem and ordered that rum be given to sailors only diluted with fresh water and lemon juice. The sailors accepted this innovation with great disappointment and discontent, since the amount of the drink itself was the same, only half a pint, and it contained half as much rum! This drink began to be called "grog" in honor of Admiral Edward Vernon's old nickname.
    So what did the Vikings use? Did they use vinegar or rum?
    Bread? Bread also spoils. Submariners, when large nuclear submarines appeared, ate bread preserved in alcohol, stored in tin cans. Because flour and bread spoiled quite quickly.
    In Peter the Great's time, there were rusks on ships. They had a much longer shelf life, unless of course they got wet. Well, let's say you can find a dry, ventilated room on a battleship or even a frigate. But where can you get such a room on a drakkar?
    Meat Before the invention of refrigerators, meat on ships was present in two forms: either fresh as animals that were slaughtered as needed, or salted, obtained from the warehouses of the Admiralty Supply Department. Goats, sheep, pigs, geese, ducks, sometimes rabbits, and even calves were present on board. They were present as future roasts, cutlets or chops, naturally. The amount of cattle on a ship was usually significant - for example, the 64-gun Summerset loaded 1760 calves for a voyage to the Mediterranean in 71 to feed the squadron in Messina for 3 months. Admiral Edward Hawke believed that a reasonable supply of provisions on a ship of the line was 40 sheep and 12 calves. But you can't carry either sheep or calves on drakkars. So - salted beef. But with it, too, everything is not so simple. The simplest recipe for corned beef, as cooked in the Royal Navy:

    - 3 pounds of beef/pork belly, 3 carrots, sliced ​​diagonally, 1 onions, salt, cardamom, ground black pepper, cloves, celery, cayenne, 4 pint of beer. The meat was mixed with all the ingredients (except the beer), covered with water and simmered for XNUMX hours. Then a pint of beer was added and the meat simmered for another hour. The meat was then removed, cooled and pressed tightly into barrels. Corned beef was considered acceptable after at least two years of aging. Please note: cardamom, ground black pepper, cloves, cayenne pepper Somehow I seriously doubt that the Vikings had stocks of these spices. So did the Vikings have corned beef? For example, it was only at the end of the 14th century that they came up with the idea of ​​salting herring. It seems that the time of the Vikings has passed. Or has it? Besides, corned beef is not a great substitute for meat. Corned beef cannot be compared with fresh meat in its nutritional properties - the main part of the useful substances it contains dissolves in the brine when salted. For example, corned beef has 3 times less protein. Salt makes the muscle fibers of meat coarser, which makes it difficult for the body to digest it. And one more thing. The longer the corned beef was stored, the harder it became. In historically reliable times, corned beef was so oversalted, dark and so hard that sailors carved figurines out of it and polished them. Since the corned beef was stored in barrels for two or more years, it had to be soaked for at least a day before use. Soaking was no problem on a ship. But on a drakkar? Then the corned beef was boiled. During the boiling, foamy and greasy mud floated to the surface, half of which was used for various lubricating needs of the ship, and the other half was taken by the cook, who sold it to the candle makers. At the same time, it was forbidden to sell this substance to the crew (it was believed that it could cause scurvy), but some cooks secretly violated the ban. After several months of sailing, the corned beef in barrels made of a peculiar mahogany with a yellowish color acquired a brownish-greenish color; it emitted a natural cadaverous smell. Therefore, in the Royal Navy it received the nickname "dead Frenchman".
    Something like that.
  31. Ana
    0
    April 8 2025 23: 28
    It's very interesting, but this is a male approach (volume first) and vitamins? C first of all and PP, even fresh fish will give fat-soluble A, D, E but not water-soluble, except for B. Sorry, of course, but bleeding teeth, or rather fallen out ones, more often. They won't let you eat anything at all. There are a lot of berries in Scandinavia. The same cabbage! There is 10 times more of it in sauerkraut. Once they entered their Valhalla. So, there was something like that after all? Well, that's what! In the Russian north we harvest cloudberries, cranberries. But they don't just wave swords and. And an oar.
  32. Ana
    +1
    April 8 2025 23: 45
    People from the ducts. Vikings. There's no way they could impregnate women without vitamin C. And we're the only species that doesn't synthesize it internally. What irony, guinea pigs.
  33. 0
    April 12 2025 06: 16
    Quote: Cympak
    For the sails of a drakkar you still need a lot, a lot of wool, which means sheep.
    In general, there is a complaint about the article in that the Vikings are separate, the peasants are separate. But a Viking is, as a rule, the offspring of a bonde - a free landowner who went on a military campaign for glory and booty.

    This means that the goal of a Viking's expedition is to get loot that should cover all expenses. Preferably with interest. No loot means the goal is not achieved.