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Difficulties of conscription: the Ministry of Defense returns the North Caucasian youth to the army

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Difficulties of conscription: the Ministry of Defense returns the North Caucasian youth to the army



President Putin signed a decree on the spring draft, a little more than 150 thousand people will go to the troops. According to the deputy chief of the General Staff, General Vasily Smirnov, this time Chechnya and Dagestan will participate in the call on general grounds, like other Russian regions.
This seemingly natural course of things - the North Caucasus is still considered to be exactly the same part of the country as, for example, the Pskov Region - gives certain grounds for alarm. In the past few years, there have been scandalous cases of non-statutory relations in the units with the “North Caucasian component”.

People who served in parts of the Soviet Army, when it still existed, unanimously assert that there, too, in the units where at least a few people from the Caucasus or Central Asia served, the situation was, to put it mildly, tense. In the current situation, when the North Caucasus remains one of the few demographically prosperous regions of the country, but at the same time the system of education, upbringing and socialization of young people does not work there, people from this region automatically carry problems to army units.

Commanders sometimes come across bold disobedience of representatives of Caucasian fraternities. Attempts to resist the infinite and call them to order are often interpreted as an attempt to infringe upon the rights of citizens on ethnic grounds and discrimination. Several dramatic and challenging stories related to recruits from Chechnya, Ingushetia, North Ossetia and Dagestan ended in criminal cases, but not all of them came to the attention of law enforcement agencies.

In November, the then head of Dagestan, Magomedsalam Magomedov, during a personal meeting with the new defense minister, Sergei Shoigu, confidentially asked him to increase the call from the republic, where, according to him, the youth is seeking to fulfill his constitutional duty. In 2012, less than 200 people went from Dagestan to units located outside the region — in this way, the former leadership of the military department tried to solve the problem of discipline among recruits from the North Caucasus.

General Smirnov did not specify how many Caucasian conscripts would go to serve in 2013, but he called a vague figure of “several thousand”. In Dagestan, it is expected that in two draft campaigns of the current year it will be possible to mobilize up to 4000 young people.

The authorities of the regions of the North Caucasus are in an unenviable position: there is an “overproduction” of the population, but there are no jobs and “social elevators” for young people. The number of people leaving for fishing in other regions of Russia has noticeably decreased compared to the level before the beginning of the 2008 economic crisis of the year. And the Caucasian regional authorities, and in many cases, parents would be only happy if some of the youth went to military service outside the region "for state-owned grub." Moreover, it would underline the inseparable link of the North Caucasus with the rest of the country.

In the North Caucasus, there live a little less than 10 percent of the country's population. Taking into account the demographic disparity of the Russian regions, the share of conscripts from the Caucasus will only grow from there when the restrictions on the appeal are lifted. True, there is no certainty that this will contribute to the growth of quality, professionalism and combat effectiveness of the Russian army.

Moreover, the main challenges demanding the use of armed force from the state came in the present stories just from the North Caucasus.

At the same time, it was in the Caucasus that an unsuccessful experiment was made to create units exclusively from local residents. Special battalions "Vostok" and "Zapad" were created at the beginning of the second campaign in Chechnya and, until the middle of the 2000s, were directly subordinated to the GRU General Staff. Despite the successful participation of Vostok in the August campaign of 2008 in Georgia, this experiment was, however, discontinued for political reasons.

Judging by the statement of General Smirnov, there will not be exclusively Caucasian units, and the principle of extraterritorial service will apply to all draftees. It is to be hoped that in this case measures will be taken to avoid the risk of a new round of non-statutory relations involving the natives of the North Caucasus.
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  1. queen
    queen April 1 2013 09: 04 New
    -8
    From the composition of the Russian Federation it is necessary to drive them with a broom, and here also serve, for what homeland are they going to give a debt? request
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 1 2013 09: 14 New
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      Quote: regin
      From the composition of the Russian Federation they must be driven with a broom,


      Oh how, so grandfathers shed blood for this land and you offer to present? I think you can serve them, In the construction battalion, as before
      1. queen
        queen April 1 2013 09: 19 New
        -4
        Quote: Vadivak
        Oh how, so grandfathers shed blood for this land

        But Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus didn’t count .... they gave away without firing a shot, but the Caucasus? How many guys were killed ours ???
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 1 2013 09: 40 New
          12
          Judging by your logic, if a leg is ill, it must be cut off immediately, even when it can be cured without much difficulty.
          1. selbrat
            selbrat April 1 2013 13: 33 New
            +6
            Quote: Pimply
            if the leg is ill, it must be cut off immediately, even when it can be cured without much difficulty

            Do you really think that this very "leg" can be easily cured? By the way, I have served with people from the "leg". Back in 90-92, I would not wish the same to the enemy, as they say ...
            1. Maks111
              Maks111 April 1 2013 14: 55 New
              +2
              So who is to blame for us that 100 Russian guys cannot beat off a dozen people from the Caucasus?
              1. kostiknet
                kostiknet April 11 2013 10: 14 New
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                Quote: Max111
                So who is to blame for us that 100 Russian guys cannot beat off a dozen people from the Caucasus?

                And the family and the school are to blame !!! An example is as simple as a hum. For the fact that my daughter (a girl of 11 years old) does not allow herself to be "joked" and responds with a blow to a blow (hitting the aggressor until he "gets an eye on his ass"), we were summoned to the "PID" council, and shit in your ears! They say that you need to wipe off the blood and snot for aggression, then complain to the teacher if you are injured and you need to go to the trauma point - you didn't get hurt at school The principle of self-defense is not even considered, but the fact that the GIRL defended herself from the AGGRESSION of several BOYS - don't care !!! I told these ur0dam from the "council": I am quite satisfied with bruises and bumps on someone else's heads, and I will scold my daughter not for self-defense, but for the absence thereof! You should have heard what "howl and cry" went up. And my friend (in another district of Moscow) has the same problems. Only there the "PID" -sovet spins a 9-year-old boy for beating his classmates in the muzzles, who for some reason decided to take his things, ruin them, hit them on the head with a briefcase , or give a kick. It turned out that the boy is a future warrior, but at last he is just a MAN, instead of making a cheeky face he must NICE !!! And the parents are required to forbid the boy (girl) to defend himself (to fight) and to defend the right to personal health and honor ONLY by slander! And treat, treat, treat with psychologists juvenile maniacs-aggressors !!! This is what they have in mind !! Defend, beat a living person in the face !! My friend and I sent these queers "to the garden", but the case of such upbringing is not an isolated one. How many parents are being "divorced" and raising a "houseplant"? And then such a "scarecrow" (brought up by such a school) comes to the Army, and there - oh, horror! They can hit in the face in the same place !! What can a flower do? He is not accustomed to defend himself, for some reason the company commander does not like slander. And the same Caucasians do not climb into their pockets with a fist - they immediately knock on their turnips.
          2. Mairos
            Mairos April 1 2013 14: 48 New
            +4
            I agree that it is necessary to treat, but about "without much difficulty" you, to put it mildly, are making a mistake.
            And you yourself understand that you are breaching. I myself am for the integrity of Russia, but, at times, thoughts about the secession of the Northern Caucasus creep into my head. Well, they are strangers in their outlook, strangers. Others, if you like. They have never been state peoples, but always thought in terms of clannishness and community and that's all. And on "strangers" they put with the device, especially young people, especially the present. Their fellow countrymen and their character have been sitting in my livers for me since the days of the Soviet Army and my officer's youth. And I do not believe in all these declarations in the media of regional leaders from the Northern Caucasus. Deception of "strangers" in Asia or in the Caucasus is the norm of behavior, if it is to their advantage.
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 1 2013 09: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: regin
          But Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus didn’t count .... they gave away without firing a shot, but the Caucasus?


          You yourself suggested
        3. INTER
          INTER April 1 2013 10: 14 New
          +3
          Quote: regin
          But Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus didn’t count .... they gave away without firing a shot, but the Caucasus? How many guys were killed ours ???

          And that few Caucasians fought for the same Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus? And Afghanistan! The military and authorities know who artificially inflate this stench with fans. If you know the real course of events, then you would not say such nonsense. All the negative is connected with the lack of order: firstly in the army, secondly there is no real propaganda of patriotism (there is another) fill the vacuum; thirdly, education; financing from abroad and together form what is !!!
          1. indrik
            indrik April 2 2013 23: 35 New
            0
            to teach these animals, just waste time and nerves! They are not capable of either training or service. They are excellent at cuddling up to the senior in rank and no more. When in 98 "Czechs" in Dagestan recruited volunteers from local yelled that they would be allowed to defend their homeland, they would tear everyone, and so on, but as an order was read out in front of the formation, none of them expressed a desire to fight for their native village. So what the hell are they needed in the army?
        4. MVS
          MVS April 1 2013 15: 17 New
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          Quote: regin
          Quote: Vadivak
          Oh how, so grandfathers shed blood for this land

          But Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Belarus didn’t count .... they gave away without firing a shot, but the Caucasus? How many guys were killed ours ???

          And how much more will it take if there are militants breaking into power there?
      2. alex13-61
        alex13-61 April 1 2013 09: 56 New
        +4
        To come from these regions, you need to approach, according to their mentality ...
        Initially - to teach discipline, that is, on a call to keep in a training unit until they become "controlled" ...
        Do not create "international" subdivisions, because they immediately "cluster" into the community, unlike the Slavic conscripts ... moreover, they differ from the latter in better adaptability ... so they develop more in a "physical" direction than in an intellectual one .. ...
      3. Shveik
        Shveik April 1 2013 11: 17 New
        -1
        How much is 14/88?
    2. Ragnarek
      Ragnarek April 1 2013 09: 21 New
      +4
      can you kick out of the Russian Federation for a start? ancestors and contemporaries just shed blood for the Caucasus? found b .. smart guy "to drive with a broom." Remains of the brain include who will come to the place of Russia in the Caucasus. Sit the little bitch on the priest exactly fucking guardian
      1. Dinver
        Dinver April 1 2013 09: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: regin
        From the composition of the Russian Federation it is necessary to drive them with a broom, and here also serve, for what homeland are they going to give a debt?


        A filthy broom needs to drive such clever people as you, Navalny, Latynin and other liberals who offer to separate everything, and in the North Caucasus it is necessary to create conditions for a normal life, then they will not creep across Russia. You orange freaks give free rein so you share the whole country!
        1. queen
          queen April 1 2013 09: 44 New
          -4
          Quote: Dinver
          and in the North Caucasus it is necessary to create conditions for a normal life

          do you have a conscience? or all of them, "brotherly Caucasus"
          1. Dinver
            Dinver April 1 2013 09: 49 New
            +5
            Quote: regin
            do you have a conscience? or all of them, "brotherly Caucasus"

            Yeltsin and those generals who left a huge amount of weapons in Chechnya and the republics of the North Caucasus should have had a conscience, although they were asked to take it, apparently at the behest of our "Western friends" there would be no war, they would not leave it all there.
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak April 1 2013 10: 09 New
              +1
              Quote: Dinver
              Yeltsin should have a conscience


              There, at the place of conscience, horseradish grew, do not be a child, the country was driven by birch Gaidars and Chubais until he died without regaining consciousness
            2. Mairos
              Mairos April 1 2013 14: 58 New
              0
              What to nod to the past. NOW WHAT TO DO?
          2. Drejk
            Drejk April 1 2013 11: 20 New
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            I completely agree that sharing the country is the last thing !! If you judge like that, then soon there will be nothing to share, and all human rights activists scream, let them go around the country and see how and how the people breathe. There are enough freaks everywhere and you need to push for the cause, and not for the fact that you are Caucasian or Russian or Baltic!
            1. INTER
              INTER April 1 2013 12: 36 New
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              Quote: Drejk

              I completely agree that sharing the country is the last thing !! If you judge like that, then soon there will be nothing to share, and all human rights activists scream, let them go around the country and see how and how the people breathe. There are enough freaks everywhere and you need to push for the cause, and not for the fact that you are Caucasian or Russian or Baltic!

              Right, say it. There must be order and a master in the house! Only then will the garden be dug up and planted. yes
          3. Maks111
            Maks111 April 1 2013 15: 00 New
            +1
            I agree. Developing the Caucasus, of course, is a good thing, but when the money reaches the Russian hinterland, it’s probably still in bast shoes.
            1. Dinver
              Dinver April 1 2013 15: 23 New
              0
              At the expense of the republics, there is a lot of oil and other minerals there, "why aren't they extracting?" you ask and you will be right. It is more convenient for Moscow to keep them on a short leash at the trough than to let them earn money themselves, this is done in order to make them easier to manage. From the point of view of liberals, this is the correct method, since it incites ethnic strife and tension in society. From the point of view of common sense, you need to give them the opportunity to feed themselves.
          4. MVS
            MVS April 1 2013 15: 13 New
            -1
            Quote: regin
            From the composition of the Russian Federation it is necessary to drive them with a broom, and here also serve, for what homeland are they going to give a debt?

            Actually, the Caucasus is a part of the Russian Federation and such questions look, let's say, silly. And about "chasing with a broom" - so I have a question for you: why on earth, when they give up some shelf or island, a wild srach rises towards the government, and separating the Caucasus is in the forefront?
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak April 1 2013 09: 49 New
          +3
          Quote: Dinver
          and in the North Caucasus it is necessary to create conditions for a normal life, then they will not spread throughout Russia.


          And so already they threw money, only the Russians say how many wolves do not feed
          1. Dinver
            Dinver April 1 2013 09: 51 New
            +1
            Throw money and create jobs, you know different things!
            1. Vadivak
              Vadivak April 1 2013 10: 08 New
              +3
              Quote: Dinver
              Throw money and create jobs, you know different things!


              You write a letter to the president that you are treating me, they lit the streets with gas and we paid for it
          2. Babon
            Babon April 1 2013 12: 06 New
            0
            There is oil in Chechnya, and a very valuable oil refinery, in fact, if everything is adjusted there, Chechnya will not only feed itself, but also the neighboring republics.
            1. kris
              kris April 1 2013 16: 31 New
              0
              Quote: Babon
              Chechnya will not only feed itself, but also neighboring republics.


              and even become vegetarian. laughing
              is this April Fools' joke such?
              osloe would always have been robbers.
          3. INTER
            INTER April 1 2013 12: 43 New
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            And so already they threw money, only the Russians say how many wolves do not feed

            laughing
            Vadim, they throw money on some people and in a room with a ooooooo big lock. In reality, even 25% do not reach the addressee. Yes, look around, wherever you are, reality is the same everywhere. Ordinary people, whether in Kamchatka or in Dagestan, suffer the same. There is certainly a difference, somewhere warmer and somewhere colder. (rumors, moods, oil in the fire, at hand near Kmchatka wink ) lol
        3. Mairos
          Mairos April 1 2013 14: 56 New
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          Well, let's give them the entire budget - to create normal conditions. Their fellow countrymen in power will again rake in everything - in Makhachkala, the all-star hockey team will be assembled, for example. At the same time, we will begin to help the Tajiks, suddenly, too, they will stop coming to us. So are you suggesting? I do not want the division of the country, but apart from the boundless tightening of the screws in the Caucasus, I see no ways. The perception of the world is a cult of brute force and cunning, history made them so. But if the wolf wants meat, this does not mean that I have to feed him with my meat.
      2. queen
        queen April 1 2013 09: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Ragnarek
        Turn on the rest of the brain

        Keep the rest with you
        Quote: Ragnarek
        Sit the ear-hat on the priest exactly the horseradish guardian

        Wash yourself
        Quote: Ragnarek
        who will come to the place of Russia in the Caucasus

        Feed them like our bureaucrats no one will
        1. Ragnarek
          Ragnarek April 1 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          Listen belolentochny, to another resource, there many people will like your ideas about the division of the country.
    3. INTER
      INTER April 1 2013 10: 06 New
      +5

      For such a homeland!
      Some interesting facts from the life of Abdulhakim Ismailov, who died in the 95th year of his life. In May of the 45th, Abdulhakim Ismailov hoisted the Banner of Victory over the Reichstag. But, unlike Meliton Cantaria and Mikhail Egorov, the whole world was not famous due to ideological considerations. Ismailov was awarded the title of Hero of Russia only in the 96th year.
      It is not necessary to proceed, only from the saying "a drop of tar" but also one must see a barrel of honey. There are many patriots of their country in the Caucasus, even more than many people think!
    4. starshina78
      starshina78 April 1 2013 11: 11 New
      0
      For our Motherland with you - Russia! Dagestan and Chechnya are part of Russia. Why shouldn't they serve? Why are they better or worse than guys from the Moscow Region or Penza? You just have to do what you did in Soviet times, i.e. e. made up separate companies from them, and send them to serve in the wilderness, for example: to the taiga of Siberia, to the Far North. The most important thing is away from the Caucasus. Their greyhound and disobedience are removed quickly. For a couple of weeks, communicating with them strictly according to the charter, that's all. So it was with us in Kamchatka. Two battalions guarded the rocket arsenal in the hills: one completely Tajik, the other Turkmen. And they served nothing, and even cracked the pork. True, it was in the distant seventies, and at another time. Then you don’t particularly speak. Yes, and now you can restrain them.
      1. elmir15
        elmir15 April 1 2013 23: 20 New
        +4
        Quote: starshina78
        You just have to do what you did in Soviet times, i.e. e. made up separate companies from them, and send them to serve in the wilderness, for example: to the taiga of Siberia, to the Far North.

        But it seems to me that Caucasians should be kept together, there they will have no one to crush. Have to grandfather among themselves
    5. skeptic
      skeptic April 1 2013 11: 44 New
      +2
      Quote: regin
      From the composition of the Russian Federation it is necessary to drive them with a broom, and here also serve, for what homeland are they going to give a debt?


      Let's imagine that we were kicked out. What's next? A holy place, it is never empty, what will grow there then. Do not you think that it is more important to develop your children physically, more patriotic education. More sports games that develop team spirit, mutual assistance, mutual support in schools and at home. It may not be worth reviving fistfights (since ancient times revered in Russia), but without raising a boy as a man capable of standing up for himself and his neighbors, it is an indispensable condition for his own self-esteem. The main reason for the conflicts with the natives of the Caucasus is the upbringing of Russians according to the principle "my house is on the edge." Someone is rude on the street, what are the parents doing? Get outraged in a rag and silence. Children see this when they run into a classmate, classmate, colleague, the principle - a hut on the edge works. I don't know, either with the construction of multi-storey birdhouses, when a neighbor may not know his neighbor all his life or have lived too long without real troubles, but we have lost our community , mutual respect, mutual assistance. Where it is thin, there it breaks. The small peoples of the Caucasus have been brought up in the spirit all their adult lives - there are few of us, therefore they must hold fast to each other. Cohesion gives self-confidence, and with low intelligence it generates a feeling of permissiveness, which gives rise to conflicts. This will continue even if all Caucasians are evicted from Russia. It's just that other peoples will take their place, who will be a little more united and they will start to scare her, like sheep, etc. Only mutual sensitivity to one's neighbor, solidarity and mutual assistance in everyday life, at work of adults will create a positive example for our children, and only after that it will be possible to say something about a change in self-awareness in the Army as well. The Caucasus respects strength and there were no such problems before, when they felt united power in the Russians.
      1. INTER
        INTER April 1 2013 12: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: skeptic
        The Caucasus respects strength and there were no such problems before, when they felt united power in the Russians.

        Sergey You are telling the truth! But there are some points. Here's an example, Caucasians are very respected guys from Siberia and the Far? The question is why? Yes, because there is a lot of masculinity in them. (That is, men) And in the European part of Russia, either from the influence of the West, or from what other men, for the most part, have degraded as men. In the Caucasus, if someone is not aware of the almost lack of nationalism (therefore Y. Amerikosy isp. Tactics of radicalism) in Dagestan alone more than 30 nationalities, including Russians. And I want to say many of them call themselves Dagestanis? Why????? Not because of the inscription on t-shirts (this is a separate conversation). And I want to say that many of them have a Caucasian character. Such children are very respected and not only from Dagestan, but also from other regions. About the topic of intelligence, he lived and worked in Moscow, so many Russians did not know that Dagestan was part of Russia and where to be. Post-Soviet degradation took place on all fronts! Jesus Christ said: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” (Matthew 7,1) !!!!!!! hi
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 1 2013 12: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: INTER
          including Russian. And I want to say many of them call themselves Dagestanis?

          studied like that with one guy from Pyatigorsk, Russian, was surprised by his mentality and how he thinks !!
          Then I saw his father, the same principles of life!
          1. INTER
            INTER April 1 2013 13: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: Yarbay
            studied like that with one guy from Pyatigorsk, Russian, was surprised by his mentality and how he thinks !!
            Then I saw his father, the same principles of life!

            + I ABOUT THE SAME.
    6. INTER
      INTER April 1 2013 12: 57 New
      0
      Quote: regin
      for what homeland are they going to give a debt?

      In total, during the war years, Dagestan gave the front 180 thousand courageous soldiers, more than 90 thousand of them died. The number of Dagestan, according to the census of 1939, amounted to 1 people. Consequently, the number of Dagestanis sent to the front during the war years must be recognized as significant. Dagestanis shoulder to shoulder with the sons and daughters of the heroic Russian people and other fraternal peoples adequately defended their homeland and fought on all fronts of the war, on land, sea and in the air against Nazi aggressors. Tens of thousands of Dagestanis were awarded orders and medals. 023 people earned the title of Hero of the Soviet Union, 317 people became full holders of the Order of Glory of three degrees. Three Dagestanis during the war commanded divisions. The blood of their Dagestanis sealed the bonds of friendship with the fraternal peoples of our country in the harsh years of World War II. wink
      AT THIS HISTORICAL MOMENT OF TIME, THE MOMENT IS RIPPED TO REPEAT THE EXPERIENCE OF GRANDFATES AND TO GIVE ALL THE LIBERASTS OF THE COUNTRY IN THE BASED Muzzle !!!!!
  2. erased
    erased April 1 2013 09: 11 New
    14
    Training for future militants and bandits started in the army. You can say so.
    Political instability, the complete failure of the whole system of parenting, active work of propagandists, Islamic and pro-Western centers, social disorder, open activities of illegal political and armed groups - and against this background thousands of hostile, inclined to aggression and cruelty Caucasians are in the top .... correct, tolerant and politically based policy of power!
    Will this power just do when a wave of killings and mockery of Slavic soldiers breaks out in the army, and the command bashfully shut its eyes?
    And what will happen when trained Caucasian soldiers join the ranks of the militants?
    The answer "oops" is unlikely to suit anyone.
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 1 2013 10: 08 New
      0
      Didn’t you spread this day on the topic of allowing short-barreled weapons to everyone?
      Now give arguments like: [i] [a wave of killings and bullying of Slavic soldiers will break out in the army, and the command will bashfully shut its eyes / i]

      Oh no no no...
      1. erased
        erased April 1 2013 10: 15 New
        0
        He is about Thomas, and he is about Yerema.
        And here is the civilian weapon and the topic of conscripts from the Caucasus?
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 1 2013 11: 41 New
          0
          Oh no no no.....
          Well, read again what I wrote, or you do not delve into it at all)

          The connection is direct. In addition, I pointed out that you cannot give arguments about possible murders.
          Allowing the weapon will result in killing; however, this does not bother you.
          There is a superficial judgment about things.
          And if you think that I threw a stone in your garden, then yes - the way it is.
    2. krokodil25
      krokodil25 April 1 2013 10: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      This power will just do when a wave of killings and bullying of Slavic soldiers breaks out in the army



      And why are you sure that there will be mockery of the Slavs?
    3. domokl
      domokl April 1 2013 11: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      And what will happen when trained Caucasian soldiers join the ranks of the militants?
      And why should they replenish them? If there is work in the region, there will be at least some living conditions for those who served in the militants .. Those who did not serve are coming ...
      But in general, it is not necessary to create an image for Russian guys as cowards who cannot stand up for themselves ... Everything has always served and nothing terrible has happened ...
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 April 1 2013 12: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: domokl
        But in general, it is not necessary to create an image for Russian guys as cowards who cannot stand up for themselves ... Everything has always served and nothing terrible has happened ...



        Totally agree with you!!! And then they show how all sorts of inscriptions such as the Caucasus Dagi, etc., are being mocked at the guys, it seems that all the clerks of Slavic appearance are sissy, they attack and fight !!! am
    4. opkozak
      opkozak April 1 2013 16: 50 New
      +6
      Many have a short memory. to remind?



      These were the things and everyone forgot about them ...
      What an army, perhaps, to the Wrangel island and Novaya Zemlya in the border guard.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov April 1 2013 17: 37 New
        +1
        This is a different army.
        Guys, this is not my army.
  3. domokl
    domokl April 1 2013 09: 11 New
    +1
    Conscripts, they are conscripts ... If you are afraid to call on Caucasians, who will serve in Siberia and the Far East? A local conscription will not even cover half the needs of the units ...
    We need to work with local old people and rulers, we need to create units of the naval type, they called the boat Dagestan, the whole republic prays for it ...
    And the practice of East and West battalions should also be taken into account ... The youth of the Caucasus should see not only their mountains, but also have the opportunity to see the country, serve in other regions
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 09: 15 New
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      Quote: domokl
      ..If you are afraid to call on Caucasians, then who will serve in Siberia and the Far East? Local call will not cover even half the needs of the units ..

      Hello Sasha! If you call all the mowers, there will be even superfluous ones.
      Quote: domokl
      ..The youth of the Caucasus should see not only their mountains, but also have the opportunity to see the country

      Was in Moscow? you go into the Domodedovo hall and the feeling that you flew to Baku.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 1 2013 09: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Was in Moscow? you go into the Domodedovo hall and the feeling that you flew to Baku.

        I assure you even at the Baku airport you won’t see so much, but you won’t bring them to the army !?
        domocles is right !!
        It's just that youth must be educated!
        1. domokl
          domokl April 1 2013 11: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          I believe even in a Baku airport you won’t see so much, but you won’t bring them to the army !?
          domocles is right !!

          laughing Especially when you consider that the citizens of Azerbaijan and Armenia fly in and out ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 11: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: domokl
            Especially when you consider that the citizens of Azerbaijan and Armenia fly in and out ...

            The impression that Azerbaijan and Armenia in full force fly through Domodedovo. I’m not even going to say that the sides from all over Russia land in Domodedovo, but there are still less Russians laughing
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 1 2013 12: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I’m not even going to talk about the fact that boards from all over Russia land in Domodedovo, but there are still less Russians

              I’ll even say more, several times I witnessed boorish behavior in Domodedovo and on the plane of my fellow countrymen, but as soon as the plane got into our airport, they immediately changed, sobered instantly and asked the flight attendants not to hand them over to the police !!
              because they know that they won’t be allowed to show them, and they’ll shake them so that it’s not enough to show!
              and in the airport building behave exemplary!
      2. Tersky
        Tersky April 1 2013 09: 39 New
        16
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Was in Moscow? you go into the Domodedovo hall and the feeling that you flew to Baku.

        Yes, not a call is needed in the Caucasus, that's who is needed there:
        Ermoloff
        1. Grishka100watt
          Grishka100watt April 1 2013 11: 44 New
          0
          And where did you get the idea that Ermolov (respected by me) is dissatisfied with Putin’s policies in the Caucasus ??
        2. Garrin
          Garrin April 1 2013 13: 45 New
          0
          Quote: Tersky

          Yes, not a call is needed in the Caucasus, that's who is needed there:

          Hello Victor! hi
          I would say more. We need this not only in the Caucasus, but throughout the country.
        3. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu April 2 2013 11: 36 New
          0
          Politics and the most severe punitive methods of Ermolov just led to the fact that the Caucasus broke out and focal small-town resistance turned into a powerful national liberation movement.
      3. domokl
        domokl April 1 2013 11: 32 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Was in Moscow? you go into the Domodedovo hall and the feeling that you flew to Baku.
        He lived in Moscow for almost 30 years and only recently escaped from there ... But there are many Caucasians there simply because, for example, traveling to Yerevan or Baku by train is more expensive .. And people come to work ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 11: 41 New
          +2
          Quote: domokl
          And there are many Caucasians there simply because, for example, traveling to Yerevan or Baku by train is more expensive

          answered above.
    2. queen
      queen April 1 2013 09: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      be able to see the country, serve in other regions

      And you visit us in the Moscow zoo (Peter)
      1. domokl
        domokl April 1 2013 11: 37 New
        0
        Quote: regin
        And you visit us in the Moscow zoo (Peter)
        And what should I drop in .. I have repeatedly dropped in ... Only there is one small problem lol Most of those who hang out on the Nevsky and Vasilievsky islands (and in the afternoon in the markets and in tents, respectively) are not Russian citizens ... Traders are citizens of Azerbaijan, builders of suburban cottages are Armenian, road workers are also Armenians laughing
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak April 1 2013 09: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: domokl
      be able to see the country, serve in other regions


      travel around the world, see great places, meet interesting people and kill them © Soldier of Fortune.
      1. domokl
        domokl April 1 2013 11: 38 New
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        travel around the world, see great places, meet interesting people and kill them © Soldier of Fortune.

        good I saw this advertisement repeatedly there ... But I'm not talking about the world, but about parts in the east of the country lol
    4. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel April 1 2013 10: 53 New
      +4
      In the Russian Empire, there were "wild divisions" in which the Caucasians served. On their part, during the conduct of hostilities, there were no cases of betrayal and a massive transition to the side of the enemy. In the Soviet Army, non-Russians by hook or by crook went to serve in the army, so that he was considered a man in his small homeland. Even a deliberately sick patient went to serve - even if they were commissioned, but FROM THE ARMY. It all comes down to education. And all kinds of "Saudi, Jordanian and others like them enlighteners" - for an eternal settlement beyond the Arctic Circle to feed polar bears.
      1. Grishka100watt
        Grishka100watt April 1 2013 11: 48 New
        +2
        Yes sir. It is not a matter of Caucasians, it is not a problem in them; Russia is connected with the Caucasus by fate. The main problem now is the spread of Islamism in the Caucasus.

        Islamism is easy) Islamism is cool) Islamism is fashionable)
        Therefore, teachers of real Islam are killed in the Caucasus. Do you think this is an accident? No.
      2. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu April 2 2013 11: 28 New
        0
        Quote: Black Colonel
        In the Russian Empire, there were "wild divisions" in which the Caucasians served. On their part, during the conduct of hostilities, there were no cases of betrayal and a massive transition to the side of the enemy.

        I’ll clarify a bit. There is not a single fact, not only mass, but even a single betrayal and the transition to the side of the enemy.
  4. Corporal
    Corporal April 1 2013 09: 13 New
    +8
    They are doing everything right. If they are part of the country - they must obey the general laws, community members - the problem to be solved, would be the will to solve it.

    And to shave the Caucasus, as lovers of simple solutions wish, this is a simple matter.
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques April 1 2013 09: 27 New
      +4
      Cho right? How long has it been in the Caucasus? In Dagestan, right now, it is fashionable for young people to be a wah. What is the draft of the Russian army on?
      1. Corporal
        Corporal April 1 2013 09: 41 New
        +2
        Suggest a better solution?
        If the Caucasus is allowed to boil in its own juice, there will be such a mess that it’s better now to wipe it and separate them to hell. If we want to save the Caucasus, we must interact with it.

        Unknown gives rise to fear, fear gives rise to aggression.
        1. Rodriques
          Rodriques April 1 2013 09: 46 New
          +4
          The best solution is to first solve the political and other problems of the Caucasus, and then think about the draft. I don’t want a Wahhabi animal zombied from childhood to shoot me during exercises.
          1. Corporal
            Corporal April 1 2013 09: 53 New
            +4
            What comes first, an egg or a chicken?

            How to teach them how to live in peace and respect their neighbors cowardly fencing off from them? Do we respect ourselves? If 5-6 dugs are building a MILITARY unit, what kind of defense of the homeland can you talk about?
            1. Rodriques
              Rodriques April 1 2013 10: 02 New
              +4
              the top command of the composition of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation would not have resisted this decision for so long! They sold, accepted against their will those who benefit from it. Nothing good will come of it. Dot.
          2. Grishka100watt
            Grishka100watt April 1 2013 11: 49 New
            0
            And if events abroad do not give time to solve these problems? But the army is needed, but there are not enough Russian recruits? AND? Then what to do?
  5. koksalek
    koksalek April 1 2013 09: 14 New
    +5
    Well then again on the same rake. With the advice they couldn’t do anything with them, after all they closed their eyes, now what is hoped that the good wizard will correct the situation? IMHO they are not needed in the already problematic (in terms of hazing, hazing) army.
  6. ken
    ken April 1 2013 09: 18 New
    -1
    Of course, they need to be called up for active service, because they are part of the Russian Federation, but let them serve at home, in the Caucasus.
    1. queen
      queen April 1 2013 09: 24 New
      +1
      Quote: ken
      but let them serve at home, in the Caucasus

      What are you talking about? To arm this herd that hate us?
  7. TRex
    TRex April 1 2013 09: 19 New
    +5
    .The youth of the Caucasus should see not only their mountains, but also have the opportunity to see the country, serve in other regions ...
    Domocles! One might ask - what region do you live in? Would you like to see this very "youth" on the streets of your city, who should see the world, show themselves ...
    Muscovites will be especially happy when these "tourists" come to the monuments at the sites of blown-up houses, subways, airports ... to lay flowers.
    Whoever remembers the old - the eye "out", and who forgets - both.
  8. Trailer
    Trailer April 1 2013 09: 20 New
    +8
    Chechnya and Dagestan this time will participate in the draft on a common basis, like other Russian regions.

    Well, I bet I know what half of the news from the military will be like. parts this year?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 09: 29 New
      10
      Quote: Karavan
      Well, I bet I know what half of the news from the military will be like. parts this year?

      Articles with pictures, there was already nothing to argue.
  9. zao74
    zao74 April 1 2013 09: 20 New
    +6
    On their own, they are mostly normal guys. So do not collect more than two of them per unit.
    1. queen
      queen April 1 2013 09: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: zao74
      So do not collect them more than two per unit

      But aren't they paying too much attention?
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 1 2013 11: 17 New
      +4
      Quote: zao74
      On their own, they are mostly normal guys. So do not collect more than two of them per unit.

      Yes, it’s easy to solve the problem, put a Caucasian in the bosses, and it’s better to be with them constantly.
      We had 120 people in the faculty, all non-Russians, the head of the faculty was Russian, deputy Russian, and the head of the course was Azerbaijani, so as soon as he had been absent from the faculty for 1 day, there was a complete mess. Everyone considered it his own and the attitude was completely different .If the reprimand and all kinds of sanctions could have acted on the Asian side, then on the Caucasian side only personal authority in our eyes, the only way was either the beginning of the course or our parents, with the superior having the numbers of all the parents.
      The situation itself is ridiculous, when 2-3 Caucasians build all the Slavs, who even if the weak could put 10 in 2, but for some reason they don’t do this, then there are 2 options left or not to call or one of the bosses must be made Caucasian or Russian from the Caucasus. to the Russians who from there come from a different attitude than the Russians from Russia.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 1 2013 11: 40 New
        +1
        Quote: Yeraz
        The situation itself is ridiculous, when 2-3 Caucasians build all the Slavs, who even if the weak could put 10 in 2, but for some reason they don’t do this, then there are 2 options left or not to call or one of the bosses must be made Caucasian or Russian from the Caucasus. to the Russians who from there come from a different attitude than the Russians from Russia

        perhaps this is one of the exits !!
        But the situation I would not say is ridiculous, but I have to make you think about the reasons for this !!
        Here they often say that Caucasians can only be mobbed or with knives !!
        But I remember one soldier I will not name nationality, everyone called him a colonel, was strong but small in stature. His colleagues who came to him said that the regiment was not built on the parade ground without his permission !!
        He was 5 years older than me and a very modest and serious person !! I tried several times to talk to him, but he never told anything, but other legends told about him !!
        He once showed me his army album!
        1. Mairos
          Mairos April 1 2013 15: 39 New
          0
          Yarbay is not an option. Do you want to make the Chosen People of the North Caucasus? Those who only obey their own? If an alternative to such an approach would be the separation of the North Caucasus republics, then I will choose a separation, although I do not want this.
          Well, you wrote nonsense here, sorry.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 1 2013 16: 29 New
            0
            Quote: Mairos
            Yarbay is not an option. Do you want to make the Chosen People of the North Caucasus?

            Where did you see my suggestions??
  10. predator.3
    predator.3 April 1 2013 09: 22 New
    26
    Congratulations to all Russian officials on their professional holiday - from April 1, the day of crooks and deceivers! laughing
    1. Grishka100watt
      Grishka100watt April 1 2013 11: 52 New
      0
      I support, only with the caveat: not all)
  11. Alekseev
    Alekseev April 1 2013 09: 23 New
    11
    "In 2012, less than 200 people went from Dagestan to units located outside the region - thus the former leadership of the military department tried to solve the problem of discipline among recruits from the North Caucasus."
    It seems that people from the land of frightened idiots lead their hands.
    Is it really possible to "solve the problem of discipline among recruits from the North Caucasus."
    Case from practice.
    At one time, one "recruit from the North Caucasus" who did not want to wash the toilet (he wanted to go to poop there) was tied by the neck to a drain pipe in the immediate vicinity of the spectacle. After two hours of such sitting, he agreed to participate in the cleaning of common areas on a general basis.
    Currently, this is not possible due to the general decomposition of the army, state. authorities and society.
    And then it was a gesture of despair from the commanders, hesitated! am
    But that determination - to put in a framework at any cost, and then not everyone had, it’s such torn nerves like that fellow , and in modern conditions the more so.
    What to do?
    The army does not need a set (including those prone to betrayal), but selection.
    The army needs a hard and working really disciplinary charter.
    In the military units are not needed, yesterday’s schoolchildren, sort of kids with fat p .. mi.
    I would also consider it advisable such a punishment for those who do not want to observe military discipline, such as early dismissal in court, with a good fine.
    It’s not a damn thing to keep such in the disciplinary unit, it won’t fix the hunchback, only the extra expense.
    History teaches how to discipline, but no one wants to do anything, despite the egregious cases of outrages in the troops.
    1. avt
      avt April 1 2013 09: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: Alekseev
      The army needs a hard and working really disciplinary charter.

      good And a normally functioning military court.
      Quote: Alekseev
      I would also consider it advisable such a punishment for those who do not want to observe military discipline, such as early dismissal in court, with a good fine.

      Well, just stole the comment! good laughing +
  12. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 1 2013 09: 24 New
    +1
    I think it is necessary to dilute the sowing of Caucasians in units seriously, so that more than two or three in one unit do not serve.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 1 2013 09: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: Ragnarek
      I think it is necessary to dilute the sowing of Caucasians in units seriously, so that more than two or three in one unit do not serve.

      explain why ??
      but why officers, laws ??
      1. Ragnarek
        Ragnarek April 1 2013 09: 41 New
        0
        Yes, I understand that this is wrong, but based on objective circumstances, you need to start in my opinion like that. Raise officers and sergeants in parallel
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev April 1 2013 09: 58 New
        +1
        The officers were partially promoted ..., deprived of their powers and well decomposed in terms of military "valor and honor"
        Laws do not work, they are applied according to the principle: "the law, what the drawbar, how it turned, and it happened."
        Here is a brief explanation for you.
      3. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 1 2013 11: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        Quote: Ragnarek
        I think it is necessary to dilute the sowing of Caucasians in units seriously, so that more than two or three in one unit do not serve.

        explain why ??
        but why officers, laws ??

        Hello Alibek. As a person from Russia I will tell you the local wisdom, the charm of Russian laws lies in the optional implementation good
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 1 2013 11: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Yeraz
          Hello Alibek. As a person from Russia I will tell you the local wisdom, the charm of Russian laws lies in the optional implementation

          Hi Ali!
          I have understood this for a long time, but I don’t understand why the law does not apply to non-titular people ??
          Bribes, corruption is just part of the reason !!
          in the separation section, at least 70 people and two people can zag it ??
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Yarbay
            in the separation section, at least 70 people and two people can zag it ??

            Alibek in Russia, few people stand up for each other. You think where the phrase in Russia is from the Russian to the Russian enemy ?? My hut from the edge. This is all connected.
            I remember talking here when in our school an Azerbaijani and an Armenian beat a Russian guy in the yard at 2, when they couldn’t do it 1 on 1, because the guy was a sambo fighter, the whole school gathered and watched 2 of them mutus one and not one I did it, and tomorrow we went talking at 2 o’clock, so I said non-Russian guys at school no more than 10, even if we assume that we started to help them to get 10 out of this number, to spit it out.
            And there are so many cases, my friend, a Russian boyfriend, an Azerbaijani came to the brazen side with other Russians and took the money, although the Azerbaijanian was small, but they didn’t help anything, none of them helped, it’s true that he left and well, if you had hit him there, Jack we would have harnessed. The truth is that the Azerbaijanian returned the money to him tomorrow, apologizing, saying they urgently needed to, well, or found out that Zheka was our friend
          2. Mairos
            Mairos April 1 2013 15: 51 New
            +1
            Well, about 2 and 70 .. however, you went too far. Here 10 can, because they are raised like a pack of wolves, they stand for each other, and others are not people at all, so .. a herd.
            And 60 others were brought up, that is, the law and the police, sorry, the police, commanders and conscience. In this situation, it will be so. Until one day, 60 fall off and kill these 10 - this is a generalization. They will be immediately arrested, the instigators will be imprisoned, and the case will be declared a manifestation of Russian chauvinism.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 1 2013 16: 33 New
              0
              Quote: Mairos
              And 60 others brought up

              I think the question is not upbringing, but in the absence of mutual assistance and self-esteem!
              Quote: Mairos
              They will be immediately arrested, the instigators will be imprisoned, and the case will be declared a manifestation of Russian chauvinism.

              will the Russians be arrested?)))
              and why kill ??
              and why kill ?? give good enough pundels !!!
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 11: 45 New
          +2
          Quote: Yeraz
          b, the charm of Russian laws lies in their non-binding

          Write about Azerbaijan wink About total corruption, about the dispersal of the rally by brand new American guns firing rubber bullets. write about how people protested in connection with the deaths of 10 soldiers. Write about the lawlessness of the authorities of Azerbaijan. Write the truth regardless of the presence of Armenians on the site, it will be more honest with yourself! hi
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 1 2013 12: 27 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            About total corruption, about dispersal of the rally by brand new American guns

            fight corruption here, especially with what is connected with the army !!
            I think a great deal was done by eliminating the military commissariats !!
            Recruitment is under the new system!
            Even the part that my nephews got into we learned only after their arrival !!
            I often visit them, I like how everything is organized, cleanliness, preparation !!
            about those guns (and in general this is a completely different thing, and not what the journalists wrote!) - these rumors did not use them, nor did rubber bullets !!
            Water cannons were used!
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 12: 47 New
              +2
              Quote: Yarbay

              fight corruption here, especially with what is connected with the army !!

              We also constantly get caught, but that doesn't make it any easier. request
              Quote: Yarbay
              Even the part that my nephews got into we learned only after their arrival !!

              Yes, we always had it.
              Quote: Yarbay
              about those guns (and in general this is a completely different thing, and not what the journalists wrote!) - these rumors did not use them

              Alibek, well, the Internet is open as long as you don’t hide the Old, but it’ll leak anyway. It hurts a lot of wounded from water cannons.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 1 2013 14: 17 New
                0
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Alibek, well, the Internet is open as long as you don’t hide the Old, but it’ll leak anyway. It hurts a lot of wounded from water cannons.


                Yes, do not believe this, I work a stone's throw from the place where the demonstration was !!
                There were no wounded there, if there had been a noise there would have been one more !!
                and more rallies dispersed here !!
                And it was not a cannon (psychic), a car with an unusual (for a layman) * antenna *))))), all the more not an American one, the USA does not sell weapons and equipment to us !!
                it is in my opinion to disconnect, it was like that!
                on the Internet about this lie!
            2. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 17 New
              +3
              Quote: Yarbay
              Even the part that my nephews got into we learned only after their arrival !!

              It's true
              Quote: Yarbay
              about those guns (and in general this is a completely different thing, and not what the journalists wrote!) - these rumors did not use them, nor did rubber bullets !!
              Water cannons were used!

              I believe what I saw, in acceleration I did not see them)) Only water cannons and rubber bullets.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 1 2013 14: 44 New
                0
                Quote: Yeraz
                Only water cannons and rubber bullets.

                I don’t want to argue, but there weren’t so many people to use bullets !!
                Our experts could easily cope with batons)))
                Maybe tests of rubber bullets were carried out ??)))
                I do not know, did not hear and did not see)))))
                Well, since you were there you knew better!
                and about cars (guns) I saw pictures in opposition newspapers)))))))
                the authors' imagination is very large)))
                1. Yeraz
                  Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 58 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  I don’t want to argue, but there weren’t so many people to use bullets !!

                  No, I didn’t mean the rally in Baku, but in general about the means used in the rallies.
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Our experts could easily cope with batons)))

                  Alibek, honestly, I would transfer half of these specialists to distant lands, so that they knew how a policeman should act in suppressing a rally, how to use these batons. I think it will be useful for them to find out that it is forbidden to beat a head with a club and extremely important organs.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay April 1 2013 15: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yeraz
                    Alibek, honestly, I would transfer half of these specialists to distant lands, so that they knew how the policeman should act in suppressing the rally, how to use these batons.

                    Perhaps you are right, but not really familiar with the way they use it !!
                    1. Yeraz
                      Yeraz April 1 2013 16: 11 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      Quote: Yeraz
                      Alibek, honestly, I would transfer half of these specialists to distant lands, so that they knew how the policeman should act in suppressing the rally, how to use these batons.

                      Perhaps you are right, but not really familiar with the way they use it !!

                      Quick reaction units are still normal, but there are also experts, but PPS who are also attracted to this is just atas. In my blue back there were representatives of this layer, I can’t tell you again. There’s practically 0 knowledge of how to behave at a rally, and if some know ignoring him completely. In principle, they liked it when I turned out to be their senior on patrol or on duty, I didn’t let them earn money from scratch, but it was compensated when I rejected the offer to share for real administrative violations and they got it all myself. he built himself from reis, and demanded real meaningful things, and not the revelators who our reys indulge in, madly fond of slaughter. This was the most annoying thing for me when the 50-year-old sergeant was crucifying before me, oh chief, oh, oh oh.
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay April 1 2013 16: 27 New
                        0
                        Quote: Yeraz
                        insanely loving licking

                        smiled))))))))))
          2. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: Yeraz
            b, the charm of Russian laws lies in their non-binding

            Write about Azerbaijan wink About total corruption, about the dispersal of the rally by brand new American guns firing rubber bullets. write about how people protested in connection with the deaths of 10 soldiers. Write about the lawlessness of the authorities of Azerbaijan. Write the truth regardless of the presence of Armenians on the site, it will be more honest with yourself! hi

            Alexander, why do you translate the arrows ?? You see, your post would be appropriate if I wrote that everything in Russia is bad, but we don’t have earthly things. What you wrote to me is even funnier because everyone saw mine here a dispute with Alibek, when I said all the things that you wrote, corruption ranks go by, many deaths of soldiers in non-combat conditions. You wrote that before that I said and your post is not right, there will be a branch about the state of affairs in the Azerbaijan Army and with corruption, we will write negative negative but then why litter with an extra topic
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 14: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: Yeraz
              Alexander, why do you translate arrows?

              your words amaze me
              Quote: Yeraz
              , the charm of Russian laws lies in the optional implementation

              According to some sources, the level of corruption in Azerbaijan is far greater than in Russia. So who would say that the law is enforced.
              Quote: Yeraz
              if I wrote supposedly everything in Russia is bad,

              Did you write anything else?
              Quote: Yeraz
              but then why litter with an extra topic

              Because Russia is my country !!!
              1. Yeraz
                Yeraz April 1 2013 15: 46 New
                +2
                Are you stunned? Do you know how to hear? Your post is inappropriate. I didn’t write that the situation in Baku is better, but worse, moreover, I wrote everything here on the contrary. Your post would be appropriate if you wrote it to other users of Azerbaijani nationality who say that with corruption all the rules, with the army is excellent and everything else.
                And about my word, why is there an unnecessary topic and your answer to this because Russia is my country, I did not see the relationship No.
          3. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 10 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Write about Azerbaijan

            What’s the branch about Azerbaijan ??
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            About total corruption, about the dispersal of the rally by brand new American guns firing rubber bullets. write about how people protested in connection with the deaths of 10 soldiers. Write about the lawlessness of the authorities of Azerbaijan.

            haha write to the wrong person. Everything that you wrote, I wrote here already, and we swore with Alibek because of this wink
            You just move the arrow to the other side, and even to the side of a not tgo person))
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Write the truth in spite of the presence of Armenians on the site, so it will be more honest in relation to ourselves! hi

            I already wrote and everyone saw. But Armenians are embarrassed, Azerbaijan is not DPRK on the Internet, I will not open America with photos, video comments of users to them wink
          4. Ghenxnumx
            Ghenxnumx April 1 2013 17: 46 New
            0
            And also about violence in the army of Azerbaijan - about which the Internet is full of different material.
            http://novostink.ru/sng/18534-gomoseksualizm-v-azerbaydzhanskoy-armii-prichina-s
            merti-soldatov.html
            http://vlasti.net/news/91901
            And do not blame the mentality - there is enough shit everywhere, your nephews are lucky to get into the military unit with a normal command staff.
      4. Mairos
        Mairos April 1 2013 15: 47 New
        0
        Because a headache is when there are several Chechens, Dagestanis, Ingush, etc. in one unit. This is a gang of fellow countrymen, which has one goal - to "put" themselves and not to do a fucking thing. Sorry to be straightforward. Why officers?
        Then, that they should be engaged in preparing soldiers for war, and not in educating several insolent people who spit on law and order at the earliest opportunity and still try to swing the law. And a little what, fellow countrymen run to complain in the nearest settlement or to court - they offend them, pl .. commanders. Seen enough ... They solely respect the power on the basis of the bestial principle - you can blow it in the face, will respect it, but if you tell him about the law and conscience, then you are not a man.
    2. Yeraz
      Yeraz April 1 2013 11: 20 New
      +1
      Quote: Ragnarek
      I think it is necessary to dilute the sowing of Caucasians in units seriously, so that more than two or three in one unit do not serve.

      So the fact is that there were many incidents when 2 Caucasians built everyone. Google a lot of things will come up.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 11: 53 New
        +2
        Quote: Yeraz
        Google a lot of things will come up.

        Now respected wink
        March 29th, 2013 | Add a Comment

        As a result of an incident that occurred between the soldiers of the N-th military unit located in the Geytepe village of the Jalilabad region, one soldier was beaten and wounded with a knife


        March 25th, 2013 | Add a Comment

        The Azerbaijani army has lost a soldier. The Ministry of Defense press service told APA that on March 24 at 21.25 a shot was fired from a sailing machine of a sailor of the “N” military unit of the Naval forces of Mamedov Ruslan Tair oglu, as a result of which a bullet hit the stomach area of ​​sailor Gumbatov Ahmed Binnet oglu.


        March 11th, 2013 | Add a Comment

        Cases of suicide among military personnel have become more frequent in Azerbaijan. Since early March, three Azerbaijani families received mourning news from their sons

        January 11th, 2013 | Add a Comment

        Four people were detained in a criminal case instituted on the death of an Azerbaijani soldier Jeykhun Gubadov, a law enforcement source told Trend on Friday. Previously reported about two detainees - an officer and a soldier.


        http://criminalazerbaijan.com/?cat=10 hi
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz April 1 2013 14: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Now dear wink
          March 29th, 2013 | Add a Comment

          As a result of an incident that occurred between the soldiers of the N-th military unit located in the Geytepe village of the Jalilabad region, one soldier was beaten and wounded with a knife

          March 25th, 2013 | Add a Comment

          The Azerbaijani army has lost a soldier. The Ministry of Defense press service told APA that on March 24 at 21.25 a shot was fired from a sailing machine of a sailor of the “N” military unit of the Naval forces of Mamedov Ruslan Tair oglu, as a result of which a bullet hit the stomach area of ​​sailor Gumbatov Ahmed Binnet oglu.

          March 11th, 2013 | Add a Comment

          Cases of suicide among military personnel have become more frequent in Azerbaijan. Since early March, three Azerbaijani families received mourning news from their sons
          January 11th, 2013 | Add a Comment

          Four people were detained in a criminal case instituted on the death of an Azerbaijani soldier Jeykhun Gubadov, a law enforcement source told Trend on Friday. Previously reported about two detainees - an officer and a soldier.

          And what does this have to do with what we're discussing here ?? Again, a pumpkin the other way?
          I always said when some of my fellow countrymen also start, but in Armenia they died just as much, but in Armenia the police dispersed too, I tell me on the drum who, as a negative, interests me as we do.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov April 1 2013 15: 00 New
            0
            Quote: Yeraz
            I'm interested in how we do.

            Well, here you are interested in how you have it!
            1. Yeraz
              Yeraz April 1 2013 15: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Yeraz
              I'm interested in how we do.

              Well, here you are interested in how you have it!

              Firstly, I was born only there, but grew up here.
              Secondly, I think I should be interested in what is happening in my historical homeland and where I grew up, and moreover, 2 affects my life more.
              And thirdly, there appeared rules on the website that all sorts of purebred Russians can write and discuss about Russia ???
              They couldn’t give a single intelligible answer to God, only as a child, and you? And every child’s ambush from this series.
  13. Rodriques
    Rodriques April 1 2013 09: 25 New
    +7
    From DEBILA! What could be the appeal from the regions where the developed terrorist network and the underground ?? First, solve one problem, and then add another to the troops. Generals you morons !!! AU !!!
  14. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 1 2013 09: 25 New
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    The author nevertheless deceived while recalling the Soviet Army, and arguing that where there were several people from the Caucasus or Central Asia, there was (to put it mildly) a tense situation ... Would you, dear Author, try to find at least one part in the SA where they never were ...

    Regarding the proud sons of the Caucasus called up for military service, they have nothing to do in the army. And not only due to the fact that they undermine discipline in the troops (which in itself is no longer small). But also due to the fact that it is now more difficult for those who have not served in the army to get into state power structures. And there they have nothing to do there. Even locally ...

    And even more so, it is not worth creating any kind of armed ethnic units such as the Kadyrov’s battalions indicated above. It will be a little as a result however ...

    So, let the hot sons of the mountains sit at home. Without them, it will be calmer and more sense ...

    These are the "cute pictures" calling schoolchildren and students of the North Caucasus. So think, my dear colleagues on the site. Think ...
    1. amp
      amp April 1 2013 09: 45 New
      -10
      I don’t see anything bad to use as cannon fodder. Moreover, they themselves want to fight. It would be a couple of Caucasian brigades, would send them to Syria now, good help would be.
      Assad every thousand fighters on the account .....
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 April 1 2013 10: 47 New
        +2
        If only everything was as simple as you write here, dear. But they are not stupid enough not to understand that they are being used as the notorious "cannon fodder" ...
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 11: 44 New
          +3
          mm ... what deeply scientific reasoning ... are we probably talking about laboratory mice ..?
          1. Anti
            Anti April 1 2013 12: 15 New
            -1
            Whatever you say, "divide and rule"Has been brought almost to perfection, and is used today in the most active way.

            Enough already? Wake up, wake up.
            1. Chicot 1
              Chicot 1 April 1 2013 12: 49 New
              +1
              Quote: Anti
              Whatever you say, "divide and rule"Has been brought almost to perfection, and is used today in the most active way.

              The fact of the matter is that the principle "Divide and conquer"in this case it was not used at all. And it is for this reason that everything is dumped into one big and tangled pile, which will have to be raked for a very, very long time ...
              1. Anti
                Anti April 1 2013 13: 05 New
                -2
                Quote: Chicot 1

                The fact of the matter is that the principle "divide et impera" in this case was not applied at all


                Divide and conquer (lat. Divide et impera) - the formula of the Roman Senate, the principle of its foreign policy in relation to most enemies; expresses the principle of state power, which is often resorted to by governments of states consisting of dissimilar parts and according to which the best method of managing such a state is to incite hostility between its parts. And you yourself know the enemies of Russia.

                How was it not used? Remember in the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsn in the media, only they talked about the "Face of Caucasian Nationality" a new nation appeared winked and only negative, you are also doing this by the way.
                1. Chicot 1
                  Chicot 1 April 1 2013 13: 52 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Anti
                  Divide and conquer (Latin divide et impera) - the formula of the Roman Senate, the principle of its foreign policy in relation to most enemies

                  Thanks for the historical excursion. But I think that the origin of this expression is known to everyone present on this site ...

                  Quote: Anti
                  which is often resorted to by governments of states consisting of dissimilar parts and according to which the best method of governing such a state is to incite hostility between its parts

                  A stupid politician who similarly breaks up his own state ...

                  Quote: Anti
                  And you yourself know the enemies of Russia

                  I know. A lot. Including internal ...

                  Quote: Anti
                  Remember in the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsn in the media, only they talked about the "Face of Caucasian Nationality"

                  I didn’t forget about them ... And as regards the Gorbachev and Yeltsin you mentioned, see the comment about stupid politicians a little higher ...

                  Quote: Anti
                  How was it not used?

                  If you need an example of a balanced approach to the principle of "divide and rule" in relation to the North Caucasus, then remember the policy of the tsarist government, which was carried out there before the revolution. Not ideal, of course, but much less blood flowed ...

                  Quote: Anti
                  and only negative, you are also doing this by the way.

                  By the way, what kind of negativity the Caucasians themselves have left and leave behind (and no one forces them to behave like that !!!), I probably will not be able to negate my whole life ... wink

                  Quote: Anti
                  "Face of Caucasian Nationality" new nation appeared

                  As an answer, the picture is from those same ones (as well as those I quoted earlier) that roam the youth from the Caucasus on the phones. Pay attention to the fact that they are so about themselves ...
                  1. Anti
                    Anti April 1 2013 14: 22 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    A stupid politician who similarly breaks up his own state ...


                    Do you think politicians in the west and their accomplices inside the country are stupid?

                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    If you need an example of a balanced approach to the principle of "divide and rule" in relation to the North Caucasus, then remember the policy of the tsarist government, which was carried out there before the revolution. Not ideal, of course, but much less blood flowed ..


                    I need an example of the USSR when internationalism and the fraternity of nations were preached.


                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    By the way, what kind of negativity have the Caucasians themselves left behind (and no one forces them to behave like that !!!), I probably won’t be able to negate my whole life ..


                    It was not worth it to concentrate the attention of the public through Medien. Yes, and you yourself are doing this unfortunately.

                    Quote: Chicot 1
                    As an answer, the picture is from those same ones (as well as those I quoted earlier) that roam the youth from the Caucasus on the phones. Pay attention to the fact that they are so about themselves ...


                    Do you think this picture is better?
                    1. Chicot 1
                      Chicot 1 April 1 2013 16: 19 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Anti
                      Do you think politicians in the west and their accomplices inside the country are stupid?

                      Yes, I think that a politician ruining his own state is stupid. If he deliberately does so proceeding from the interests of other states, then he is a traitor. Moreover, regardless of whether he is smart or not ...

                      Quote: Anti
                      I need an example of the USSR when internationalism and the fraternity of nations were preached

                      The coming of the Bolsheviks to power (in relation to the North Caucasus) and their policy "internationalism and brotherhood of peoples ""led in turn (in chronological order) - the burning of the village of Field Marshal, an increase in the level of banditry (and during the war, there was also massive desertion and outright sympathy for the Germans, which ultimately led to the operation" Lentil "), the" Russian revolt "in Grozny , squeezing out the Russian-speaking population and, as a result, Chechnya of the early 1990s ... And then I have listed the largest and most significant events ...
                      So not too good example with the Union however ...

                      Quote: Anti
                      It was not worth it to concentrate the attention of the public through Medien. Yes, and you yourself are doing this unfortunately

                      And what else shouldn't have been the focus of public attention through "Medien"? .. Make a complete full list please. And at the same time, explain to me what I am."Unfortunately"doing? ..

                      Quote: Anti
                      Do you think this picture is better?

                      But to juggle the topic and translate it in another direction is not necessary. This is not solid ...
                      1. Anti
                        Anti April 1 2013 16: 54 New
                        -2
                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        And on what else it was not worth concentrating public attention through the media


                        Frankly, not by creating an image of the enemy

                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        And at the same time, explain to me, what am I "unfortunately" doing?


                        Your suggestion is strange, because you are successfully engaged in inciting ethnic hatred here, I hope without it.
                      2. Chicot 1
                        Chicot 1 April 1 2013 18: 43 New
                        +1
                        Quote: Anti
                        Frankly, not by creating an image of the enemy

                        The media do not create "enemy image". They convey information. But the creation of the image of the enemy is the responsibility of the structures in charge of propaganda. Please be so kind to separate these structures ...


                        Quote: Anti
                        Your suggestion is strange, because you are successfully engaged in inciting ethnic hatred here, I hope without it.

                        If you took the liberty of accusing me of inciting ethnic hatred, then please, dear Anti, argue this statement. Moreover, to argue not somehow there, but namely legally. For such accusations are serious enough and are in this area ...
                        How much will you give for this time? ..
                      3. Anti
                        Anti April 1 2013 19: 41 New
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                        Chicot 1 (1) RU Today, 09:25
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                        The author nevertheless deceived while recalling the Soviet Army, and arguing that where there were several people from the Caucasus or Central Asia, there was (to put it mildly) a tense situation ... Would you, dear Author, try to find at least one part in the SA where they never were ..

                        Regarding the proud sons of the Caucasus called up for military service, they have nothing to do in the army. And not only due to the fact that they undermine discipline in the troops (which in itself is no longer small). But also due to the fact that it is now more difficult for those who have not served in the army to get into state power structures. And there they have nothing to do there. Even locally ...

                        And even more so, it is not worth creating any kind of armed ethnic units such as the Kadyrov’s battalions indicated above. It will be a little as a result however ...


                        These are the "cute pictures" calling schoolchildren and students of the North Caucasus. So think, my dear colleagues on the site. Think ...


                        Regarding the proud sons of the Caucasus called up for military service, they have nothing to do in the army. And not only due to the fact that they undermine discipline in the troops (which in itself is no longer small). But also due to the fact that it is now more difficult for those who have not served in the army to get into state power structures. And there they have nothing to do there. Even locally ....


                        MILITARY RESPONSIBILITY - the duty of a citizen to perform military service and protect the Fatherland. It establishes: the defense of the Fatherland is the duty and duty of a citizen of the Russian Federation. It is registered in accordance with Art. 59 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation. What are you calling for here? Are they not Russian citizens? Or do you offer reservations in the USA.

                        So, let the hot sons of the mountains sit at home. Without them, it will be calmer and more sense.


                        These hot sons of the mountains washed their battlefields in World War II and other hot spots with their blood. And you all fit in one comb.


                        How much will you give for this time?


                        You cannot set or give me time, as your opponent can answer I can and no, it’s not in your power.

                        Yes, at the expense of pictures, you use this as the persuasiveness of your posts, knowing well what kind of persuasion power they have on a person. This is not solid.
                      4. Chicot 1
                        Chicot 1 April 1 2013 21: 07 New
                        +1
                        Let's start with the fact that I did not set the time, but only asked about that "How much will you give for this time?"This means that based on the question, you yourself can set the time frame necessary for you to answer ...
                        So, please do not replace the concept ...

                        Regarding the pictures that I cited in my comments ... You reproach them for me, but I didn’t come up with them and executed them. So all claims to their authors please. To the very authors who created these opuses for a very definite and specific purpose ...

                        Regarding the rest ... I did not see the argument. Moreover, I did not see the legal argumentation. And most likely I will not see ...
                        So, before you blame anyone for something, think about it. And think carefully. Otherwise, you will look quite solid ...

                        But about Article 59 of the Constitution! Very much! .. I liked it. Especially when you consider the fact that once the Caucasian guys were out of her action. And they turned out at the initiative of representatives of the state authorities of the Russian Federation ... Maybe express your indignation on this matter? .. It is desirable, of course, to the very people who made this decision ...
                      5. Anti
                        Anti April 1 2013 21: 17 New
                        -1
                        Forgive me if, if you weren’t careful, in condemning the topic you were offended by emotions. The topic is too painful.
                        The paradox in the matter itself is that they do not call those who wish to serve, while those who evade service are punished down to criminal liability.
                        How so? Therefore, for those who would like and could serve, but are not called up, the prospect of employment in many areas is closed. Young people will not be admitted to law enforcement or fire departments, or to security structures, and so on.
                        Indeed, the concern is that young people who have been excommunicated from the army may take the wrong path precisely because of this social injustice in the same gangs.
                      6. Chicot 1
                        Chicot 1 April 1 2013 22: 05 New
                        +1
                        The topic is not at all painful. At least for me. So there’s no point in apologizing ...
                        And there are no paradoxes. Caucasians in the army have nothing to do. In power structures too. At least until they learn to behave ...
                        So, how are they going to arrange their future life entirely with their causal difficulties. Which did not arise immediately and not suddenly, but precisely because of their unlawful behavior. And in particular in the army because of non-statutory ...
                        Ask - what then should they do? .. Go to work. From this, no one has died prematurely yet ... What can’t you say if they go to gangs. Sooner or later they will shoot. But it’s better to be early ...
                        And here's an interesting question - why is this one "social injustice"(in the broad sense of this definition) does not push the Russian people to create bandit formations? ..

                        So, whatever you say, this problem was created by the Caucasians themselves. And only by themselves it can be resolved ... And when we learn to behave as the statutes require, as the law requires, then we ask for mercy in the army ...
                        But while these comrades behave like some exceptional persons, then the attitude towards them should be only exceptional. Excluding their presence in law enforcement and other government agencies ...
                        I repeat once again - everything is entirely in their hands ... wink
                      7. Anti
                        Anti April 1 2013 22: 48 New
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                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        At least until they learn to behave ...

                        I still don’t understand, are you joking or serious? What kind of behavior are you talking about? After all, there is a Charter, laws in the end, and there must be the inevitability of punishment for their commission. What is the problem? In a supervisory system? Is everything so corrupt? Or the officers are powerless? Why should recruits from the Caucasus suffer?

                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        Go to work. From this no one has died prematurely


                        How many jobs have been created there, are you up to date? And where without qualifications? On the big road?

                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        What can not be said if they go to gangs. Sooner or later they will shoot. But it’s better to be early ...


                        People want to live peacefully, without fear, what are they to blame for? Of course, it’s better that I wouldn’t understand the point before, again, the innocent victims. Will you be satisfied?

                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        And here's an interesting question - why is this very "social injustice" (in the broad sense of this definition) not pushing a Russian person to create bandit formations? ..


                        Are you sure?

                        Quote: Chicot 1
                        Excluding their presence in law enforcement and other government agencies ..


                        And who do you think should work there? Strange logic, don’t you?
                2. lilit.193
                  lilit.193 April 19 2013 11: 39 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Anti
                  Yes, at the expense of pictures, you use this as the persuasiveness of your posts, knowing well what kind of persuasion power they have on a person. This is not solid.

                  There are plenty of such pictures everywhere. This one I merged with classmates.
  • Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 1 2013 12: 33 New
    +1
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    mm ... what deeply scientific reasoning ... are we probably talking about laboratory mice ..?

    No. It's about people. And this reasoning is not "deeply scientific"but deeply cynical. But very, very close to the truth." Why? !! "- you ask, dear Magomed. Because you would hardly want to be used as this very" cannon fodder ". Or Am I wrong and everything is just the opposite? ..

    And here is another "pretty picture" that wanders on the phones of schoolchildren and students of the North Caucasus. It is also very indicative in its essence. Especially if you ask the question - who exactly are these "many" who "feel fear of him"? ..
    And it looks even more entertaining, given the fact that along with the flags of the republics of the North Caucasus (which are part of Russia), the flags of the states of the Caucasus are also shown here. I wonder what would it be? ..
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 13: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: Chicot 1
      these arguments are not "deeply scientific", but deeply cynical
      - and you think this is normal? Your tone of morality worries me. So, others can!


      Quote: Chicot 1
      Because you would hardly want to be used as this very "cannon fodder"
      - ah ... I understand, - you are deeply cynical discussing me (my brother), not for any other reasons, but strictly because I do not like it ...

      I, in principle, disgust those who consider it permissible to use someone for their own purposes!

      "Caucasus" sounds very proud to me! Just like for example: "Siberia", "Stalingrad", "Sevastopol", "Brest Fortress", "Magnitka" ...
      1. Chicot 1
        Chicot 1 April 1 2013 19: 32 New
        +1
        This time I will answer without quotes ...

        Yes, I consider cynicism to be normal. And I never hid it ... And the fact that "others can"I have nothing against ...
        As for the tone of morality, I can say one thing - morality has no tone and no shades. She is either there or she is not. And the third is not given here ...

        The fact that you didn’t like something ... This is your full and undeniable right. I don’t like much either. For example, the fact that Russians are used as slaves. And your fellow Dagestanis including ...

        Everyone has the right to be proud of the place where he was born or lives. But find me at least one such photo, where on the backs of colleagues of Volgograd or Magnitogorets, the name of their city is painted with toothpaste ...
        1. DAGESTAN333
          DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 21: 43 New
          -1
          Quote: Chicot 1
          morality has no tone and no shades
          - I wanted to put quotes, but I forgot.
          Quote: Chicot 1
          She is either there or she is not
          - that's just you, resigned to the fact that it is absent in you and in people. And I'm not going to put up with immorality in myself, and in others.

          Quote: Chicot 1
          I don’t like much either. For example, the fact that Russians are used as slaves
          - who is whose slave, a moot point ...

          Quote: Chicot 1
          But find me at least one such photograph, where on the backs of colleagues of Volgograd or Magnitogorets, the name of their city is painted with toothpaste
          - Does the lack of appropriate photos and videos in our possession mean that citizens of these cities have never violated discipline and humiliated colleagues? Sure? Violations of guys from the Caucasus are always effectively presented in the media - rightly, I don’t argue, but then if the violations of ALL citizens stick out and unwind with the same effect ... - this will not happen ... so the media will not work ... we need resonance .. .
  • INTER
    INTER April 1 2013 13: 13 New
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    Quote: amp
    Assad every thousand fighters on the account .....

    Do you think we don’t? Do not forget that you live in Russia, and not in China, and China does not sleep, whoever it populates with it. It would be better if we went now to my son, would have been given a slap in the head and sent to the horizontal bar, instead of sucking cigarettes and beer from the throat. START YOURSELF, we will continue. yes
  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 April 1 2013 09: 25 New
    +3
    Troops - guardhouse - disbat - colony - churchyard.
  • Genera
    Genera April 1 2013 09: 27 New
    +1
    Personally, my opinion is that I am "FOR". In the presence of qualified officers. There is no difference between the officer and the officer, so we served, the company commander was with us, everyone respected him and accepted his orders for execution without any hesitation, and there were officers who did not care about anything. So there was chaos in such companies, there was hazing and devilry. An officer must have such qualities to say how to cut off. And then he unlearned "nerd" and is already an officer, it is necessary that people in the eyes of others were authorities.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 1 2013 09: 32 New
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      Quote: Genera
      Personally my opinion is that I am "FOR". In the presence of qualified officers.

      all right!
      1. Andrey from Tver
        Andrey from Tver April 1 2013 10: 58 New
        +3
        For my sake I served a bit under the Soviet regime, in the submarine fleet. So: in 7 crews there is only one Dagestan. Normal kid. But the Chechens - not a single one. There were Kazakhs, Uzbeks were (a little). Missile-artillery and mine-torpedo warheads are manned only by Russians and Ukrainians. On sophisticated technology - Russians and Ukrainians. Officers and warrant officers are Russians and Ukrainians. Rarely, rarely Georgians (usually kok) or Azerbaijanis met. But at the bases there were a lot of them (there were all kinds of bread-cutters, battalors, guard battalions). I think that it was not without reason that this was so.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 09: 29 New
    0
    Kind! It is useless to think about whether it is right or wrong, to call them, but they are part of the Russian Federation, and should work not only on the ram. The issue of hazing and miscarriage has long been discussed - Lord officers who allow this for ease of management, take a pencil. And with the Caucasus, the conversation goes very well from a position of strength, he will never do the same cleaning in the barracks if you beg him, beg him). The answer will be one - faith does not allow me or this is a woman’s business, but after a couple of livers he can do everything right away! I personally think: to serve - let them serve, but keep them in check by hedgehog! And there is no need to argue about their ardor, we see this ardor from a 10 on 1 position or with knives! honestly - never !!!
    1. Drosselmeyer
      Drosselmeyer April 1 2013 12: 30 New
      +3
      You, after a couple of livers, will be sent to the tribunal by the valiant military prosecutor's office, where he will complain with the eyes of an innocent kitten. And if you wake up strongly to bend the stick, be persecuted by the "diaspora" and step aside without shoulder straps.
  • treskoed
    treskoed April 1 2013 09: 31 New
    +2
    If you do not hush up the conflicts, call things by their proper names (ethnic conflict) and apply the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation in all such conflicts, while doing everything publicly and require an adequate assessment of actions by the authorities of the Caucasian republics, everything will be fine.
    1. amp
      amp April 1 2013 09: 42 New
      0
      No, it will not. They must serve separately.
      1. treskoed
        treskoed April 1 2013 09: 54 New
        +2
        And what tasks will they perform? How to interact? And it doesn’t turn out that there will be privileges in the service for the Caucasian republics? How to finance?
        1. amp
          amp April 1 2013 10: 38 New
          0
          There were wild divisions during World War I. we already had all of this and have, for example, the British, where there are parts consisting of gurks.
          All tasks are the same as the rest.
          They will finance as well as everyone.
  • PROXOR
    PROXOR April 1 2013 09: 37 New
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    If you drive them all year at training courses, so that your legs would come loose. That I think it is possible to partially reduce the chaos on the part of the Caucasus. Once they came to serve then train them 24/7. Look at the Wahhabi training camps, I think they don’t particularly stand on ceremony with them. And further. We are running out on all sides, so let the units in the personnel mainly from the republics of the Caucasus fight. Yes, it’s risky that they will overrun, but at least they will be occupied and shortened by the population.
    Damn, it’s a sin to say so, but just a real look at things.
    1. DAGESTAN333
      DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 11: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: PROXOR
      and shorten the population
      - we will remember.
    2. INTER
      INTER April 1 2013 14: 00 New
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      Quote: PROXOR
      Damn, it’s a sin to say so, but just a real look at things.

      And you will carelessly suck beer, well, well !!!! So Caucasians and so physically prepared, and the additional burden is to their advantage. Sergey, you would speak better about the oppression of the population by alcohol and drugs. Would be good wink
  • amp
    amp April 1 2013 09: 41 New
    -5
    The only way out is to create purely Caucasian units.
    Somewhere in the Far East.
    There will be a war with the Chinese, Caucasians are quite suitable as cannon fodder.
    1. antiaircrafter
      April 1 2013 10: 13 New
      0
      Well, why should the Far East be considered a garbage pit and all of the city, but there should be raked there?
    2. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 10: 18 New
      +4
      And without this, a large percentage of them served in parts of the Far East from ancient times ... In our part, there were also quite a few Caucasians, mostly Dagestanis of different nationalities, but there were no chapels from them! Tolley officers were sensible, all the brave guys served the roofing felts. I definitely can’t say this for sure. But sergeants from the Caucasians are brave! The tasks assigned to them have always been carried out on time and with high quality! In addition, I’ll tell you so that the grandfather begins with a kindergarten ... If you are weak in life, then you will be weak in the army ... So since the constitution is supposed to serve everyone, then that means let them all serve! And then the picture is such that we solve the problem by simply not undertaking to solve it!
      1. Lakkuchu
        Lakkuchu April 1 2013 19: 01 New
        0
        Quote: awerkiev
        But sergeants from the Caucasians are brave! The tasks assigned to them have always been carried out on time and with high quality!

        To the very point.
    3. amp
      amp April 1 2013 10: 41 New
      -1
      I don’t think it is a garbage pit, just very few Caucasians live there. There are real threats: Japan, Korea, China .... these are not Muslim countries at all, so the Caucasians can be used against them.
      And in the Caucasus non-Muslims should serve.
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 12: 01 New
        +8
        How much honor ...
        Quote: amp
        Caucasians are quite suitable as cannon fodder

        Quote: antiaircrafter
        all g.but to rake there?

        ... pasanas, you’ve already decided ... - we are Mr. or cannon fodder ... otherwise I’m completely confused ...
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu April 1 2013 14: 35 New
          +2
          Magician, we are all at once and in one bottle laughing
          Quote: DAGESTANETS333
          ..saved, you decide already ... - we are Mr. or cannon fodder ... otherwise I am completely confused ...
          1. Andrey from Tver
            Andrey from Tver April 1 2013 16: 55 New
            0
            Do you yourself see how the service of your young countrymen? Your opinion is very interesting.
            1. INTER
              INTER April 1 2013 17: 25 New
              +1
              Quote: Andrey from Tver
              Do you yourself see how the service of your young countrymen? Your opinion is very interesting.

              You know Andrew, in different ways! Here, I see many sitting offended by army life. But in real life, men are not touched anywhere, even blacks. No offense will be said. And on the other hand, how do the same Caucasians relate to those who call you cannon fodder. The answer suggests itself. Something like that. Or the moment, when an athlete speaks at international competitions and wins and plays the national anthem, he is Russian, and when someone makes an illegal action, he is Caucasian. ??????????????????????????????????
    4. INTER
      INTER April 1 2013 17: 33 New
      0
      Quote: amp
      There will be a war with the Chinese, Caucasians are quite suitable as cannon fodder.

      The rest will increase it (meat) with a glass of beer at the TV. But the Chinese have a lot of cannon fodder and what these very Chinese will do to you, so angry Caucasians, I don’t envy you, they don’t understand who is Caucasian, who is not. In addition, they do not disdain anything, omnivorous)))))) Take a closer look already (I'm sure they are already preparing seasonings for food in the greenhouses of your cities), look back maybe)))) laughing wassat lol
  • andrejwz
    andrejwz April 1 2013 09: 48 New
    0
    And who said that there will be no more difficulties in returning and retaining the Caucasus as a region of Russia. How not to relate, but sooner or later everything would have to start this appeal. And on the ground, you need to work with personnel and not only from 9 to 17. This is only the shells that are good when shot and forgot, here you need to think around the clock.
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 1 2013 10: 19 New
    -1
    In Tsarist Russia, neither Caucasians nor Central Asians were drafted into the army.
    In World War I, the Native Corps was formed, staffed on a voluntary basis. They paid them well.
  • itkul
    itkul April 1 2013 11: 15 New
    +1
    It is not clear why Caucasians are being called on, there are few such cases
    quote

    According to preliminary information, Artyom was beaten by a group of colleagues of Caucasian ethnicity (which are plentiful in the Pechenga brigade), which led to his subsequent death. The conflict erupted, allegedly due to the fact that Artem did not miss one of these colleagues in the dining room of the hospital while eating out of turn (from my own experience I know that Caucasians in this brigade feel like “kings” when they break up in packs). After lunch, this group of servicemen on a flight of stairs decided to explain to Artyom "who is the boss in the house."

    http://www.blog.i-balans.ru/artem_harlamov/
    1. satellite
      satellite April 1 2013 12: 10 New
      -1
      Yes, there are many such cases in the country, but apparently the MO does not want to deal with this problem. some loafers are sitting there
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 1 2013 11: 20 New
    +2
    Hello everyone! There are not so few military units in our country. To call up no more than 2-3 Caucasians in each unit, with such a number they will not undermine discipline, unless, of course, a part of 15 people and there are not "mama's sons". Likely all You can’t scatter inductees from the North Caucasus in 2-3 people in parts. For the remaining draftees to create a type of Muslim battalion in the territory where Caucasians are being called up, let them serve in their region among their fellow countrymen.
  • awerkiev
    awerkiev April 1 2013 11: 26 New
    +2
    Well, do Russians have such skirmishes between themselves ?! They do not mutilate in the service of each other ?! The impression is that you are afraid of them ... It reminds the situation with the reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, when all employees were branded corruption!
  • Hort
    Hort April 1 2013 11: 42 New
    +3
    my opinion: the army needs tough and even cruel discipline.
    A banal "film-book" example is the Federation army in Heinlein's Starship Troopers.

    Well, as for the hazing and bullying of the Slavs-conscripts, then, as practice shows, there is a limit to everything: as a result, the beaten dagi themselves begin to massively write complaints to the military prosecutor's office. So, first of all, it is necessary to educate our people so that they initially knew how to put in place and repulse insolent people, and do this not out of despair, but immediately, at the "first call".
    Yes, and the draft age should be from 21 years old, as it was before the Great Patriotic War
    1. Gato
      Gato April 1 2013 18: 05 New
      +1
      Support!
      By the way, it is better not to take the "cinematic" example - the book is about something completely different. Heinlein's book has some nuances: the veterans of the last war took power in the Federation, and there was also an incentive to serve in the army: only those who served had the right to vote and, accordingly, the right to occupy the state. positions.
      Idealism, of course - but there is something in it.

      And the draft age should really be at least 21, at 18 most have snot in their nose and wind in their heads.
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 April 1 2013 11: 45 New
    +2
    Quote: awerkiev
    Well, do Russians have such skirmishes between themselves ?!

    Appears, but not like that. You have seen photographs, for example: where the shaving foam on the soldiers was written "Smolensk", "Kaluga", "Voronezh", "Tambov", or "Lipetsk" did not see, but Dagestan, Chechnya, Ingushetia often flickers on the Internet- this is not all the difference, for example. Therefore, as I wrote above, 2-3 people should be scattered into 1 military unit, provided that they serve in different companies, the rest let them serve in their region with their fellow countrymen.
    1. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 12: 19 New
      0
      So we ourselves create them advertising! The more often it is said that they are cool, strong, and impudent, the steeper they feel .... The point is that dialogue with force must be conducted from a position of strength, with emphasis as they say! Generally wedge wedge wedge angry
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 April 1 2013 11: 46 New
    +3
    This situation clearly shows the lack of talent in our national policy and military "reform". Not to call - to admit it and show your weakness, therefore, they will call, and the consequences will be hidden, "undermined", "released on the brakes", find the "guilty" among the officers who have long been deprived of legal means of restoring discipline. Of course, a lot depends on the commanders, but here you need character, willpower and be ready to be a "scapegoat". But there are not many of them left, such people are often inconvenient for the bosses, and the redundancies were not sickly ..... There is a way out - to plant, to plant at least half of the call, so that the rest "sit on the train exactly", but they plant it already for the perfect crime, i.e. there are already victims. In my opinion, the solution to the problem is simple - in the Ministry of Defense it is necessary to create a punitive body - the military police, which is closely dealing with the issues of offenses in the army with guardhouses in each garrison, with disbats in each district, where those who received a day of arrest or convicts will with FULL SELFLESS engage in combat, study the charter and household jobs under the careful supervision of contract officers and sergeants. But whose "acts" entailed grave consequences - definitely a prison. Well, to educate officers from the very first days in the school - to educate, educate and many more times.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 1 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      Of course, a lot depends on the commanders, but here you need character, willpower and be ready to be a "scapegoat".

      I have good reason to say that all the problems of commanders begin with the school !!!
      We need to change the training system for officers!
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 April 1 2013 15: 01 New
        +1
        I completely agree. During my studies, I saw enough of "sons" and just deb-in, who were crammed into the school for bribes, probably in order to at least somewhere to fuse. It is clear which of them are officers. "Sons" were attached, where it is warmer (I can imagine how much "benefit" they have brought), and the deblocks have not served for a long time, and thank God.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 1 2013 15: 25 New
          0
          Quote: Tupolev-95
          It is clear which of them officers


          nobody commits such a commander, although I am against the mat !!))))




          in schools it is necessary to ban the mother of cadets and household work at all!
          The officer should cultivate self-esteem !!
          For example, in Turkey, the biggest insult to an officer is not even a mate (because you don’t dare to swear at each other), but the word sherefsiz (without Honor, inglorious)
          Because of this word, he will either kill or shoot himself!
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov April 1 2013 15: 49 New
            +1
            Nothing should be prohibited. We must educate. The officer must use his brains and judge by himself. I, as well as the majority, always did not give a damn about the yelling and swearing "boss".

            When they yell at you and swear at you, anger arises first. You begin to consider yourself right only because the screaming-. And then you start to ignore his words. You make fun of the fact that the "commander" badge hangs crookedly, that he is in parquet shoes, and you are in "crocodiles", which his wife did not give him today, probably because of his mirror illness ...

            A normal, thinking officer just needs to understand what is effective. When you are calmly, but harshly pointing out your mistakes, it is much worse. Here otmazatsya in front of him will not work. You just wrap it around. And you understand that the difference is for the cause

            Well, about the fact that normal commanders should command the cadets, a fact. Necessarily from the troops.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 1 2013 16: 37 New
              0
              Quote: Spade
              When they yell at you and swear at you, anger arises first. You begin to consider yourself right only because the screaming-. And then you start to ignore his words. You make fun of the fact that the "commander" badge hangs crookedly, that he is in parquet shoes, and you are in "crocodiles", which his wife did not give him today, probably because of his mirror illness ...

              But why should you use foul language and put up with it, if one obscenities do not achieve anything, and the other will skip any ears? !?
              then there is no price to words!
              It doesn’t matter !!
              Mat among officers is inappropriate !!
              1. Gato
                Gato April 1 2013 18: 27 New
                0
                "Swearing among officers is inappropriate !!"
                Only do not speak naval! They don’t understand ...
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 1 2013 21: 30 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Gato

                  "Swearing among officers is inappropriate !!"
                  Only do not speak naval! Do not understand

                  So much the worse for them !!
                  So they do not respect themselves and there is no self-esteem!
    2. antiaircrafter
      April 1 2013 13: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Tupolev-95
      in MO need to create a punitive body - the military police

      Not a fig will not be (in scientific circles cough). These guys will be subordinate at a very high level, so they will receive the status of extras, and the commanders will still get the head-on. Many "military" structures operate according to this principle, for example, VOSO, JO. If they create it according to the principle of defense service, there will be an even bigger ass. (from)
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 April 1 2013 14: 48 New
        0
        If you create them for the sake of another staff of posts and access to the budget dough, then of course there will not be a fig, but any undertaking can be poached.
  • satellite
    satellite April 1 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    With this stroke of the pen, the GDP signed the death of several more boys, and maybe not one dozen young boys.
    1. antiaircrafter
      April 1 2013 16: 14 New
      0
      Quote: satelite
      GDP signed

      GDP is not at work. The GS manning plan is composing.
      1. satellite
        satellite April 1 2013 16: 56 New
        -1
        He is always within the limits of yes? And then Vova doesn’t know? I won’t believe !!! And if he doesn’t know, it means a penny to him
        1. antiaircrafter
          April 1 2013 20: 33 New
          0
          Maybe he knows, I'm not good.
          But in general this is not his business - there are specially trained and trained people.
  • atalef
    atalef April 1 2013 12: 15 New
    +5
    In Dagestan, they hope that in two draft campaigns this year, it will be possible to mobilize up to 4000 young people

    Something is not clear, 4000 is being recruited from Dagestan alone, and 150t with difficulty from all over Russia. ? Therefore difficulties.
    Why we mow down from the army - the Slav brothers. Do you want to defend your homeland? Half of the site in Syria is ready to go to war, and children in their own army (and all this is not a year) how? Not to send already? These are your children, neighbors, the children of friends do not want and do not go to the Army, can anyone answer - why?
    For some reason, the Caucasus is ready to serve (are they great patriots of Russia?), But there are no Slavs (I do not knowingly write Russian, because there are Belarusians and Ukpainis), why?
    1. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 12: 32 New
      -1
      What kind of army ?! There are also Dagestanis are Bosmachi! They will write on the back with paste! And as for the whole good half of the site to go to war with Syria, so it's easy because they know that this will never be necessary! And the Army is nearby and not far off, that's how the races were called ... In general, I will say so "The dog is barking, the caravan is coming," and it should be so ...
    2. satellite
      satellite April 1 2013 12: 46 New
      0
      Atalef has many reasons:
      You don’t understand a bit, society is divided by a monetary relationship to each other, everyone shares themselves in a separate class, so even not rich young people divided themselves and are divided, and Caucasians swim everywhere because they keep the community together
      Who hasn’t come from the army lately (he asked 5 young guys) they all speak with one voice ... there’s one solid circus there because they don’t teach you anything and you don’t have any experience; well, it’s exceptional AKM to take out the grena a couple of times to throw the floors to wash to learn to run and push up yes grabbing pussels.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 12: 30 New
    +2
    Quote: atalef
    In Dagestan, they hope that in two draft campaigns this year, it will be possible to mobilize up to 4000 young people

    Something is not clear, 4000 is being recruited from Dagestan alone, and 150t with difficulty from all over Russia. ? Therefore difficulties.
    Why we mow down from the army - the Slav brothers. Do you want to defend your homeland? Half of the site in Syria is ready to go to war, and children in their own army (and all this is not a year) how? Not to send already? These are your children, neighbors, the children of friends do not want and do not go to the Army, can anyone answer - why?
    For some reason, the Caucasus is ready to serve (are they great patriots of Russia?), But there are no Slavs (I do not knowingly write Russian, because there are Belarusians and Ukpainis), why?

    How many Slavs were killed in the Great Patriotic War? and they knew that they were going to slaughter and went and lay down !! They knew for what! And now they will go for a family for a family !! do not make fuss about provocative questions, guys serve and will at least serve a Slav even a southerner, we are talking about lawlessness and rudeness in parts from the southerners.
    1. atalef
      atalef April 1 2013 12: 41 New
      +4
      Quote: Dwarfik
      How many Slavs were killed in the Great Patriotic War?

      What does it have to do with it, remember the Tataromongol yoke yet

      Quote: Dwarfik
      And now they will go for a family for a family !!

      And why don't they go?

      Quote: Dwarfik
      don't make a fuss of provocative questions

      The provocative question (in your opinion), as you can see, is the one to which you are ashamed to answer. negative

      Quote: Dwarfik
      guys serve and will serve even a Slav even a southerner,

      I hope so. only they didn’t answer the question why there is a problem with the call?
  • bazzz
    bazzz April 1 2013 12: 34 New
    +1
    The situation is twofold! On the one hand, they should serve like everyone else, and on the other hand, they don’t have enough culture and education.
  • Drosselmeyer
    Drosselmeyer April 1 2013 12: 47 New
    +8
    Caucasians in the army need only to then crawl into the police or other government agencies. As a rule, they do not have an education, technical sciences for them are generally a dark forest. Caucasians do not want to work honestly, but hope, through the patronage of numerous relatives, to crawl through the army into a bread public post after the army.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 12: 58 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Dwarfik
    How many Slavs were killed in the Great Patriotic War?

    What does it have to do with it, remember the Tataromongol yoke yet

    Quote: Dwarfik
    And now they will go for a family for a family !!

    And why don't they go?

    Quote: Dwarfik
    don't make a fuss of provocative questions

    The provocative question (in your opinion), as you can see, is the one to which you are ashamed to answer. negative

    Quote: Dwarfik
    guys serve and will serve even a Slav even a southerner,

    I hope so. only they didn’t answer the question why there is a problem with the call?

    Consider this the answer to your question about patriotism. From the article I did not see that there were problems and difficulties with the appeal for the lack of Slavs, and for this they open a barrier to the southerners. In the article I saw a dilemma - to take or not to take, and this is the difficulty. and in your opinion the difficulty in the Slavs?
    1. atalef
      atalef April 1 2013 13: 01 New
      +2
      Quote: Dwarfik
      From the article I did not see that there were problems and difficulties with the appeal for the lack of Slavs, and for this they open a barrier to the southerners.

      Difficulties of conscription: the Ministry of Defense returns the North Caucasian youth to the army

      So the article is called?
      Or I don’t understand something
      and in your opinion the difficulty in the Slavs?

      No, the difficulty in youth’s unwillingness to serve in the Army, reinforced by the unwillingness of their parents to leave there. It is also guaranteed that the Caucasus wants to serve, and the rest of Russia doesn’t. This is the truth of life. Answer why?
  • pinecone
    pinecone April 1 2013 13: 06 New
    +1
    Quote: hort
    Yes, and the draft age should be from 21 years old, as it was before the Great Patriotic War

    According to the Law on Universal Military Duty adopted by the Supreme Soviet of the USSR on September 1, 1939, draft age was established from 19 years, and for those who graduated from high school and its corresponding educational institutions from 18 years.
  • Anti
    Anti April 1 2013 13: 16 New
    0
    Quote: Anti
    Quote: Chicot 1

    The fact of the matter is that the principle "divide et impera" in this case was not applied at all


    Divide and conquer (lat. Divide et impera) - the formula of the Roman Senate, the principle of its foreign policy in relation to most enemies; expresses the principle of state power, which is often resorted to by governments of states consisting of dissimilar parts and according to which the best method of managing such a state is to incite hostility between its parts. And you yourself know the enemies of Russia.

    How was it not used? Remember in the times of Gorbachev and Yeltsn in the media, only they talked about the "Face of Caucasian Nationality" a new nation appeared winked and only negative, you are also doing this by the way.
  • Rodriques
    Rodriques April 1 2013 13: 18 New
    +3
    Have you already forgotten everything? Forgot August 12th? "A Wahhabite from the ranks of the Russian army killed seven and wounded six Siberian special forces soldiers."
    If there is a problem with the Caucasian youth, especially since they have undergone mass processing by emissaries in recent years, well, where should I call them? Let them make a selection as in the KGB PV during the Soviet Union, since there isn’t, they call on everything. Oh and this decision comes around.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 13: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Dwarfik
    From the article I did not see that there were problems and difficulties with the appeal for the lack of Slavs, and for this they open a barrier to the southerners.

    Difficulties of conscription: the Ministry of Defense returns the North Caucasian youth to the army

    So the article is called?
    Or I don’t understand something
    and in your opinion the difficulty in the Slavs?

    No, the difficulty in youth’s unwillingness to serve in the Army, reinforced by the unwillingness of their parents to leave there. It is also guaranteed that the Caucasus wants to serve, and the rest of Russia doesn’t. This is the truth of life. Answer why?


    Let’s not divide the Russian Federation into the Caucasus and the rest of Russia, the truth of life is that having 10% of the total population in the armed forces calls for 4 thousand out of 150. The remaining 146 thousand are not southerners obviously! I assure you that the guys who want to serve are enough, but there are those who, for example, want to learn. The desire to learn is not the unwillingness to serve! So Dear atalef, let's serve the Motherland, and not serve on some grounds. In the army there is such a thing - a fighter !!! and with the national sign has nothing to do. And in the Armed Forces there is the concept of a combat mission and an order that is executed and not discussed! I hope I was able to answer you the questions above.
  • amp
    amp April 1 2013 13: 46 New
    +1
    Can anyone give a sane argument, why is it bad to create purely Caucasian units?
    Do not stupidly put cons, but argue objectively?
    1. Rodriques
      Rodriques April 1 2013 14: 06 New
      0
      What for?? For what? lol Answer yourself this question!
      1. amp
        amp April 1 2013 14: 11 New
        0
        A strange question, why is the army needed?
        Moreover, the Caucasian battalions East and West showed themselves very well in real hostilities.
        1. Rodriques
          Rodriques April 1 2013 14: 25 New
          0
          Mlyn, do you know, dear, what is READABILITY? How much more can you repeat that in this reality they have no place in the Russian army.
          If you take it, then only the very best, only on the recommendation and guarantee of elders, Muslim authorities, parents. No other way.
          1. amp
            amp April 1 2013 14: 41 New
            0
            Why then do we need the Caucasus at all if it is inhabited by unreliable people? Or make sure that they become trustworthy, or calmly disperse.
            1. Rodriques
              Rodriques April 1 2013 19: 09 New
              0
              I personally do not need it, I need their border, Russia needs it.
    2. Gato
      Gato April 1 2013 18: 35 New
      0
      As for purely national units (not only Caucasian): after the annexation of the Baltic states, their national armies were included in the composition of the Red Army almost in full force, only the insignia changed. Do you need to continue further?
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 April 1 2013 14: 04 New
    +1
    I see a way out in creating separate units from Caucasians. The officer corps of Russians and Caucasians. Officers should not be xenophobic, careerists, cowards, nits, bukhariks. Should invest in the minds of dulled youth, the installation - "The Russian Federation is NOT Rashka"
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 14: 18 New
    0
    Quote: DAGESTANETS333
    I see a way out in creating separate units from Caucasians. The officer corps of Russians and Caucasians. Officers should not be xenophobic, careerists, cowards, nits, bukhariks. Should invest in the minds of dulled youth, the installation - "The Russian Federation is NOT Rashka"


    Plus, bold! if all of the above is transferred to an ordinary soldier, then the need for separate units on a territorial basis disappears!
    1. Gato
      Gato April 1 2013 18: 37 New
      0
      "I see a way out in the creation of separate units from Caucasians. The officers are from Russians and Caucasians. Officers should not be xenophobes, careerists, cowards, nits, bukhariks."

      And where can I get so many?
      And let them be in the remaining parts?
  • Saver_max
    Saver_max April 1 2013 14: 21 New
    +1
    Here many write what is right, what Caucasians are calling for. You now tell the draftees.
    1. awerkiev
      awerkiev April 1 2013 14: 36 New
      +1
      And do you think that those who write "for" the fact that the Caucasians are called were not conscripts ?! If so then you're wrong!
  • Saver_max
    Saver_max April 1 2013 14: 23 New
    +1
    By the way, they write here that laws are needed, but for Nkhchi there is nothing better than breaking the law. After all, then he will seem like a man in the eyes of his compatriots. He will come to his homeland and tell the old man who cut the Russians that he humiliated everyone in part and everyone served him. And after all, he will only be praised.
  • Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 1 2013 14: 25 New
    0
    What should they say? Yes, the question is discipline! and this is no longer for draftees. Everyone served in the SA for 2 years and there was no licentiousness and permissiveness on any side! He showed rudeness disrespect - received a rebuff as it should and decided in a bunch - he ran into a bunch! Cohesion was higher.
    1. Gato
      Gato April 1 2013 18: 42 New
      0
      You too idealize CA. Everything was there. And in the Russian army these problems did not arise for the first time, but gradually migrated from the SA.
  • Yastreb
    Yastreb April 1 2013 14: 32 New
    0
    I am sure that the committee of soldiers' mothers and all kinds of "human rights activists" will again appear in future newspaper articles.
    It is unlikely that something sensible will come out of this venture. No.
    1. satellite
      satellite April 1 2013 16: 59 New
      -1
      When they bring you a son from the army in zinc and say that he died heroically and you see abrasions and cuts on your body and cuts on your neck from a stranglehold, I’ll see HOW YOU WILL TALK. God certainly don’t bring such a misfortune to anyone. So you and you similar video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfws_qfTms4
      1. Yastreb
        Yastreb April 1 2013 17: 55 New
        0
        Read carefully please!
        IMHO there is no point in repeating the thoughts of the authors of previous posts about the level of culture, moral qualities and tolerance of our fellow citizens from the Caucasus (at least the majority, there are also adequate people)
        Sorry if you touched your feelings with the previous message.
        Sincerely.
        1. Lakkuchu
          Lakkuchu April 1 2013 18: 51 New
          +1
          You spoke personally with most of the citizens of the Caucasus, what are you discussing here about their level of culture, moral qualities and religious tolerance ?!
          1. Yastreb
            Yastreb April 1 2013 19: 56 New
            0
            Why this question?
            This is a separate topic of conversation.
            Most Caucasians who come to earn money / serve in the army, who came to visit or permanently live because of our kindness or, on the contrary, hostility addressed to everyone indiscriminately (expressions like "* urki" as well) pay us in the same coin taking kindness for weakness and responding to aggression at times is completely disproportionate (according to their laws and concepts). In the conflict, all participants in the events are always to blame and it is unnecessary to measure the degree of guilt and come to a consensus, understanding, and solve the problem peacefully.
            I just want to say that the state cannot legislatively solve this problem. The state should only call for dialogue, which is constantly doing and is changing very little, agree?
            Until then, dialogue and mutual understanding have not been established, and not in words but in practice - among the masses, there is practically no sense in such reforms.
            Everything was already there and nobody wants to repeat such an experience.
            This is what I was trying to convey, sorry for the rather sharp review written under the influence of emotions from watching the video.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfws_qfTms4
            background https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaiacIuY7II
            Sincerely.
            1. satellite
              satellite April 1 2013 22: 48 New
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              The hawk in the video to which I gave you a link says "That the mother of a deceased soldier suspects that her son was killed for the sale of organs and the son wrote to his mother in SMS that he would be killed." There is even a song about this case (Vasya Oblomov -Rome received a summons) you so that you would understand that no one needs mother's grief and no one cares And who will help her besides "Soldier's Mothers"?and human rights organizations, after all, by and large, everyone doesn’t give a damn about everything, no matter how annoying it sounds
  • biglow
    biglow April 1 2013 16: 40 New
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    probably they revived the construction battalion, they will remove snow in Siberia
  • Nevsky
    Nevsky April 1 2013 18: 23 New
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    If Ukraine and Belarus and the Russian Federation were one (ah, dreams, dreams), then the share of North Caucasians would be 2,5%.

    I’m wondering if the South-East of Ukraine would go to the Russian Federation, lovers of Lezginka would “hang out” here in public places: Kharkov, Donetsk, Zaporozhye, Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Crimea !? Or is the Central strip of the Russian Federation nicer? what
    1. antiaircrafter
      April 1 2013 20: 28 New
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      Yes, they mostly hang out and mow in Moscow.
  • Yastreb
    Yastreb April 1 2013 20: 36 New
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    Dear moderator, please clean the topic.
  • Anti
    Anti April 1 2013 21: 31 New
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    Quote: Anti
    Forgive me if, if you didn’t use caution, you accused you of blaming the topic, emotions. The topic is too painful.
    The paradox in the matter itself is that they do not call those who wish to serve, while those who evade service are punished down to criminal liability.
    How so? Therefore, for those who would like and could serve, but are not called up, the prospect of employment in many areas is closed. Young people will not be admitted to law enforcement or fire departments, or to security structures, and so on.
    Indeed, the concern is that young people who have been excommunicated from the army may take the wrong path precisely because of this social injustice in the same gangs.
  • darksoul
    darksoul April 1 2013 21: 39 New
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    Quote: antiaircrafter
    Yes, they mostly hang out and mow in Moscow.

    In the south, a lot ....... I’m not talking about everyone, but most of them are very arrogant, aggressive, understand only power. Regarding to give the North Caucasus, the most stupid comment, to free such a bridgehead in the south ...... at one time the British dreamed about it ... in any case, it is impossible ...... the standard of living should be raised from them, education. .... although probably few people imagine how to do this ... very much they are not similar in mentality with us
    1. antiaircrafter
      April 1 2013 22: 01 New
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      I answered the comment about central Russia.
      About the south, too, in the know.