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URSN - the company that became a legend

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For the first time, the need to create special units that would be able to fight terrorists at the highest professional level was seriously talked about before the Olympic Games in Moscow in 1980. In the system of the Ministry of the Interior at that time there were no structures that would be staffed by conscripts and who could perform special combat missions. Therefore, it was decided to create special forces in the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It happened at the end of December 1977. December 29 appeared the order of the Minister of Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union, according to which the process of forming a special unit, which today is known as Vityaz, was launched on the basis of the ninth company of the third battalion of the second regiment named after F. Dzerzhinsky. Vladimir Aleksandrovich Maltsev, who had good general physical training, several sports classes, and besides, had good military training, became the head of the special forces.

Before starting the formation of such a serious unit, first of all it was necessary to study the experience of their colleagues. Therefore, a trip was made to the Tula airborne division, to the reconnaissance company. The group consisted of A.Sidorov (deputy head of the armed forces who supervised the creation of a training company), E.Maltsev (deputy division commander), V.Hardikov (sambo trainer), N.Koreshkov (head of combat training of the division) and V.Maltsev . The task of the group was to familiarize themselves with the objectives of the subunit, to study the training program for personnel in order to be able to continue to use the achievements of the airborne assault forces in training the fighters of the new unit. By the way, the chief of the armed forces, General Yakovlev, also traveled abroad to familiarize himself with the experience of the Finnish special forces - the Medved group, and in addition, the experience of the American Delta and the German GHA-9 was studied.

Seen in Tula was largely unknown, new. But since there was no point and no need to copy the full experience of the paratroopers (after all, the new company was tasked with ensuring security during the Olympics), then the training and selection programs differed from each other. In addition, one of the goals of creating a new unit was the development of training programs for the training of special units in the system of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as well as the successful struggle against highly dangerous criminals. In many ways, this is why the choice fell on the ninth company. The fact is that in terms of physical fitness, her fighters exceeded not only regimental units, but also divisions as a whole. In essence, this company was a sports unit that served as a reserve for Dynamo society.

The selection in URSN was very tough. When selecting fighters had to pass the standards for physical training, testing and interviews. Thus, in the selection process, the commission looked not only at physical training, but also at the overall level of development of the applicant. Therefore, only two were selected from the planned three platoons. At first, none of them had a commander, despite the fact that the sergeant was strong enough. Then officers began to appear in the company.

From the very beginning of the formation of the company, the main task was left - to prepare the fighters to demonstrate to the Minister of the Interior the possibilities of such a unit, because the whole team of the company was out of state. And only on how successful the demonstration of skills will be, the subsequent fate of the special forces depended.

It should be noted that there were enough problems in creating a new division. These were problems with the equipment of personnel, and with the creation of material training. There were questions about the organization of food, because so intense daily physical activity took all the forces, and that ration, which was intended for the personnel of the combined-arms units, was clearly not enough. Therefore, we had to prove and persuade, and even sometimes cheat, but the command went to all this just to ensure that the soldiers were provided with everything necessary.

In the second platoon a group was formed, in front of which a task was defined - to prepare in the gym for the show to the representatives of the Ministry of the Interior. The group included only those military personnel who had excellent physical training (gymnasts, acrobats, wrestlers, boxers). The third platoon also included military personnel who had good physical training but were distinguished by professional skills in handling weapons, because it was supposed to prepare it as a firing unit. The first platoon initially performed the tasks assigned to it by the command of the second platoon, and was a support unit.

Each unit consisted of the order of 20 fighters. The armament is regular, regular, except that the second platoon had light body armor, self-made throwing knives, and the third platoon, in addition to standard weapons, had two AKM assault rifles and silent firing devices. For demonstration classes the novelty of that time AK-74 was used.

It was here, as a headdress, first appeared maroon beret - a source of special pride and an indicator of real professionalism. In the spring of 1978 of the year, according to the order of Lieutenant-General Sidorov, deputy chief of the Interior Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, 50 berets were delivered to the unit, half of which were green and the second half were spotted. The uniform was the same as that of the other servicemen, with the exception of the second platoon, which had the uniform intended for staying in a hot climate. This form differed from the usual straight cut of trousers with buckles at the ankles and the presence of shoes. By the way, only those fighters who successfully passed all tests had the right to wear a krapovo beret.

At the first stage of creating a training company, a program was created that provided for the actions of special forces in various emergency situations, in particular, in the case of hostage taking in an airplane or ground transportation. As for the training of servicemen, they tried to take into account the smallest nuances: training on a fiery assault strip, in the gym, training snipers and grenade throwers, training endurance and psychological stability. At the same time, not only the personal experience of the creators was very useful, but also the developments of special units of the Airborne Forces and the KGB.

Each fighter learned to deal with different types of small arms, which were in service with a company: an assault rifle, a grenade launcher, a sniper rifle, a pistol, even though the sniper training was carried out according to a separate, clearly defined plan. The daily routine was designed in such a way that all the fighters would study for six hours, and then spend a few more hours on self-training.

And now 9 March 1978 of the year appeared the order of the chief of the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union, according to which a special purpose training company was formed on the basis of the 9 company, and its staff was determined.

For the time period 1970-1980-ies, the URSN was the only special unit of the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Soviet Union. And only this unit carried out the tasks of freeing the hostages, the seized vehicles, the arrest or liquidation of especially dangerous armed criminals.

It should also be noted that it was in the training company that all the traditions of the Soviet special forces of the internal forces originated, and this company became the basis for the formation of new special forces units in the future. When the company was reorganized into a battalion, on its basis was created the first special forces, which was called "Vityaz".

Thanks to intensive training, the company successfully coped with the tasks assigned to it during the Moscow Olympics. But even before it began, the unit fighters had to demonstrate their skills in practice. Thus, in 1978, the URSN, on a “Gather” signal, was taken to Domodedovo Airport, where the Tu-104 crash occurred (Moscow-Odessa flight). The men of the company cordoned off the crash site, helped in the search for a “black box”. In July, 1980, the special forces had to travel to Sheremetyevo Airport. There was practically no information then, no one really understood what had happened. According to some data, it was known that a plane was hijacked. However, this time the participation of fighters of the training company was not needed. However, this was a kind of psychological preparation for personnel.

After that, in subsequent years, the special forces repeatedly took an active part in a large number of special operations: they released school-held hostages in Sarapul in Udmurtia in 1981, ensured the suppression of riots in Ordzhonikidze in October 1981, provided protection to investigators of the General Prosecutor’s Office who were engaged in the so-called “ Uzbek case "in 1984 year. Together with the KGB unit of group "A" in 1986, they took part in an operation aimed at apprehending the criminals who captured the plane in Ufa. In July, 1988, the URSN fighters conducted an operation to unblock the Zvartnots airport of Yerevan, which was seized by terrorists who were trying to prevent the arrival of airplanes with OMSDON fighters. A few months later, in the same year, the special units of the unit secured the building of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Armenia, in May 1989 of the year - an operation to free the hostages who were captured in the Perm region in the remand prison of Kizel and in the Kirov region in the corrective labor colony of the village of Lesnoy .

Further activities of the special unit was not less intense. In the second half of 1988, the company’s fighters held special events aimed at curbing the activities of criminal groups in Nagorno-Karabakh and in Baku. The following year, a conflict began between Meskhetian Turks and Uzbek extremists in the Fergana Valley. Thanks to the skillful and well-coordinated actions of the fighters of the company, it was possible to save the lives of civilians, prevent a large number of crimes, arrest the perpetrators of the riots, seize large arsenals of weapons, eliminate the criminal groups that were preparing the attacks.

Then, in 1990, in the city of Sukhumi, in a temporary detention center, several prisoners who were sentenced to death, took prisoners of the staff of the institution, opened cameras, seized weapons and demanded transportation. A special operation to free the hostages was carried out by the joint forces of Alpha and URSN. As a result, the operation was carried out successfully, the organizers of the rebellion were liquidated, the hostages were not injured.

The events of recent years have demonstrated to the top leadership of the Ministry of the Interior that there is a need to increase the organizational structure of the special forces of the Internal Troops. As a result, in 1989, the special purpose training company was reorganized into a battalion, on the basis of which the creation of the special unit Vityaz began in May 1991. Over time, other special units were created within the Ministry of Internal Affairs, but it is the day the training company was created that can be considered the birthday of the entire Russian military special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

Materials used:
http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2012/12/2012_12_1.php
http://www.bratishka.ru/archiv/2002/11/2002_11_2.php
http://lib.rus.ec/b/310995/read
http://tchest.org/special_forces/400-gruppa-vityaz.html
http://www.razlib.ru/istorija/povsednevnaja_zhizn_rossiiskogo_specnaza/p3.php
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  1. Kaetani
    Kaetani April 1 2013 09: 46 New
    +5
    It is necessary not only to accumulate experience but also to distribute it to the troops.
    The war is becoming more sophisticated, and therefore the experience of special forces is already needed at the platoon company level, in almost all military branches.
  2. andrey903
    andrey903 April 1 2013 10: 25 New
    -10
    Unfortunately, invasions from the provinces, which need to assert themselves, become the main morale berets. When they beat young soldiers they create a false opinion about their strength, they are unpredictable in battle. We arrived at SOBR several arrogant maroon berets. On testing they fell within a minute, because they don’t own a melee, and it’s much easier
    1. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 1 2013 17: 52 New
      +5
      Quote: andrey903
      Unfortunately, invasions from the provinces, which need to assert themselves, become the main morale berets. When they beat young soldiers they create a false opinion about their strength, they are unpredictable in battle. We arrived at SOBR several arrogant maroon berets. On testing they fell within a minute, because they don’t own a melee, and it’s much easier

      You whom "treat" dear? Do you know anything about the advice of the Krapovy Berets? What about the level of selection in the squads? Do you know that even having passed the qualification exam for the right to wear a beret, you may not be able to give it if your examiners do not like your moral qualities? You will be deprived of the right to wear as soon as they are caught in hazing, cowardice, etc. You are obliged to confirm the right to wear, you can be deprived even for the loss of a combat uniform (physics). Our level of training is very high. But in functional terms, we just surpass you (SOBR). If the speckles fall on the melee, so prove it. Come and take on the right to wear. I can still tell a lot, but there is no desire to argue with the amateur and LIAR!
    2. Massik
      Massik April 2 2013 01: 57 New
      +5
      He served in OSPN, that he didn’t notice the craters who beat up young soldiers (there were 19 years old)
  3. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 1 2013 12: 00 New
    -22
    Why do they take them to the army at age 18? Yes, because, at this age, there is no brain, what they say, they will do it. It is beautifully written of course, but life is a little different.
    1. Owl
      Owl April 1 2013 17: 34 New
      +9
      I saw 18-20 year old soldiers and sergeants “at war”, they fought and consciously did heavy and dangerous “work”, someone did better, someone did not do very well (a lot depended on training), unfortunately there were losses, but to call them brainless is not only not polite but also insulting. Dear Vovka-Lyovka, do not insult People and other people will not insult you.
      1. Vovka levka
        Vovka levka April 1 2013 19: 11 New
        -1
        Firstly, no one offends anyone, he formulated poorly, I apologize. Secondly, youth is youth, up to 20 years the wind walks in my head, I know by myself that it’s good that has come. A large half of these youths must be fed for a year, and then begin to sculpt soldiers from them, at least a year, and at the same time, a large half must be weeded out. And to send this crime to the 18-19 year old war, and there’s nothing to be proud of, it’s a disaster.
  4. ImPerts
    ImPerts April 1 2013 13: 47 New
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    Quote: Vovka Levka
    Why in 18 years they are enlisted in the army?

    Because school is graduating from 18. So that he wouldn’t whip vodka and not sit on his parents’s neck, he learned how to use a needle and thread to iron, iron and clean his shoes. Oh, more. Learned to separate "Wishlist" from the right one.
    1. Vovka levka
      Vovka levka April 1 2013 19: 34 New
      0
      If it sits on the neck of the parents, then the parents are out of place. The army is designed to defend the homeland, if necessary for war. This is not a kindergarten where you need to wipe the snot.
  5. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 15: 51 New
    +2
    Too much has been written and shown recently about the special forces of the explosives, for the average layman, to the question about special forces, there is only one answer "these are maroon berets," although there are other special forces, the most recent of them being the youngest of the special forces of the security forces, and what about education and age , conscripts are selected to the GRU special forces with a mandatory, no lower than secondary vocational education, and selection is conducted there for another kilometer, when out of 300 recruits in specialists there are 30.
    1. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 1 2013 17: 57 New
      0
      Quote: Prapor Afonya
      Too much has been written and shown recently about the special forces of the explosives, for the average layman, to the question about special forces, there is only one answer "these are maroon berets," although there are other special forces, the most recent of them being the youngest of the special forces of the security forces, and what about education and age , conscripts are selected to the GRU special forces with a mandatory, no lower than secondary vocational education, and selection is conducted there for another kilometer, when out of 300 recruits in specialists there are 30.

      And you think we are not the same? There are a lot of people who want to join the squad. Namely, people who have the right to wear a maroon beret for the last year, only 457 people (in the ranks and retired) of the 10000 composition of the mainstream centuries. (The numbers may be slightly inaccurate slightly).
  6. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 18: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: andrey903
    Unfortunately, invasions from the provinces, which need to assert themselves, become the main morale berets. When they beat young soldiers they create a false opinion about their strength, they are unpredictable in battle. We arrived at SOBR several arrogant maroon berets. On testing they fell within a minute, because they don’t own a melee, and it’s much easier

    Surnames of these supposedly "maroon berets" name ka. The numbers of the certificates issued by the bearer of this beret. I'm waiting to find out if they are real or you are just lying impudently. Krapet berets and 500 people for 140000000 million of the population will not be typed, but several have come to you at once. Prove that it is not idle talk or the concept of honesty and conscience is not for you?
  7. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 18: 28 New
    0
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: andrey903
    Unfortunately, invasions from the provinces, which need to assert themselves, become the main morale berets. When they beat young soldiers they create a false opinion about their strength, they are unpredictable in battle. We arrived at SOBR several arrogant maroon berets. On testing they fell within a minute, because they don’t own a melee, and it’s much easier

    Surnames of these supposedly "maroon berets" name ka. The numbers of the certificates issued by the bearer of this beret. I'm waiting to find out if they are real or you are just lying impudently. Krapet berets and 500 people for 140000000 million of the population will not be typed, but several have come to you at once. Prove that it is not idle talk or the concept of honesty and conscience is not for you?

    But they could have come where the conscript after the army to go, either to the factory or to the police. And about the surrender, if I’m not mistaken, the SOBRs are also handed over to the salmon. I know one green-robber who works as a bailiff, and nothing.
    1. Krapovy32
      Krapovy32 April 1 2013 18: 48 New
      0
      [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Krapovy32] [quote = andrey903] Unfortunately, the callous berets are mainly provincial calls that need to be asserted. Beating young soldiers creates a false opinion about their strength in battle is unpredictable. SOBR came to arrange several arrogant maroon berets. On testing, they fell within a minute, because they don’t own a melee, and much easier [/ quote]

      There is an opportunity to pass. Well, a few specks and in one city in the civilian world is such a rarity. And about the melee and the fact that it’s easier it’s generally pearl. I called the approximate number of speckles in general on the country. and let me present evidence of their words. Because to establish the authenticity of the data of (several) characters is a matter of a day or two. But personally, I consider this a lie and a show off. It takes the highest award for the special forces soldier of VV and this person (who is of the type from the SOBR) if he tried to pass this test at least once, he would apologize for his words. A green beret is often the intelligence of explosives. Training is also at the level of only they ORB.
      1. andrey903
        andrey903 April 1 2013 20: 07 New
        -3
        When surrendering, of course they fight like peasants
    2. andrey903
      andrey903 April 1 2013 20: 04 New
      -4
      It’s not like the credentials, but no one asked for the names, it’s just as though they were taken from the Dzerzhinka anyway, but they disappeared (there were 4 of them and they probably called Moscow Region. Former athletes of the international level served with me and do not consider berets an award, although 3 exactly Lysyuk handed, but no one wears
  8. Azaat
    Azaat April 1 2013 18: 39 New
    +2
    I can’t add anything new. NOT KRAPOVY, but there is a friend from the village.
  9. Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 April 1 2013 20: 07 New
    0
    Special forces are good, but when it comes time to fight, it turns out that those who need it are fighting and all the others provide extras or are present as extras. All the "Caucasian misunderstandings" proved the inability of the political leadership to lead and execute the military.
  10. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 20: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: Svyatoslav72
    Special forces are good, but when it comes time to fight, it turns out that those who need it are fighting and all the others provide extras or are present as extras. All the "Caucasian misunderstandings" proved the inability of the political leadership to lead and execute the military.

    The worst thing is that such types of troops as infantry are initially thought of as "cannon fodder" and it is fatal, terrible that intelligence units use them as assault troops in all their good preparedness, and worst of all, there are such commanders, who push the soldiers to death for the stars and stripes without hesitation.
  11. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 20: 45 New
    0
    Quote: andrey903
    When surrendering, of course they fight like peasants

    Personally seen? And you yourself try our super specials. I’m sure that you won’t even reach the second stage and don’t treat me about your special melee. Ponte and no evidence. The usual VVshniki campaign were (if there were any) Would you come to your eyes and say this, if you are all such a hero that you yourself will not try to pass on the right to wear? People like you only in words and win. If collective farmers, why are there so few who are examining? Why out of a minimum of one hundred every six months, only four pass the test on average? For me now you are my friend a liar. Provide evidence of your personal superiority over the maroon beret.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 1 2013 21: 05 New
      -5
      Only in hand-to-hand combat, I told you that we have a lot of masters, even there are participants in the world championships, very few weighing less than 90 kg, and the guys weigh 70 kg each, so they laid down right away. Naturally, no one will run a 12 km body armor with us, not even trying, and even age, not to games. And even in BB they are gaining on the residual principle, what remains is only a construction battalion. And the special forces are the worst of the worst, there is a slight touch of moron
      1. storm
        storm April 2 2013 01: 00 New
        +4
        Only in hand-to-hand combat, I told you that we have a lot of masters, even there are participants in the world championships, very few weighing less than 90 kg, and the guys weigh 70 kg each, so they laid down right away. Naturally, no one will run a 12 km body armor with us, not even trying, and even age, not to games. And even in BB they are gaining on the residual principle, what remains is only a construction battalion. And the special forces are the worst of the worst, there is an easy touch of moronity. That's why you, what is the residual recruitment principle, I served the urgent military unit 3445, since we only served the Slavs and the Baltic states, all have mines-secondary education! You don’t know, it’s better not write!
        1. Massik
          Massik April 2 2013 02: 06 New
          +3
          What year did they serve ??? in 2010 they brought 40 people per hatch for kmb .... oh and the problem creatures were
  12. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 20: 55 New
    +1
    [quote = andrey903] Not just the credentials, but no one asked for their names, it’s as though they basically took them from Dzerzhinka anyway, but they disappeared (there were 4 of them and they probably called Moscow Region. Former athletes of international level served with me and they don’t consider berets a reward, although Lysyuk handed 3 precisely, but no one wears [/ qu negative ote]

    Is sport international and in SOBR? Surnames and not words, at least you yourself understand that dear that internationals choose completely different areas by the end of their careers. And the end is usually 25 to 30 years. You still argue with me about the sport of the highest achievements. Enough with the scales to shine, last names and certificate numbers.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 1 2013 21: 10 New
      -4
      Krapovye arrived for about 1 hour and disappeared to nowhere though. they fought; they took them to the SOBR. For us, they were nobody and they didn’t call them at all. MSMK can be quoted in the provinces in Moscow.
      1. Massik
        Massik April 2 2013 02: 08 New
        +2
        As far as I know in Sobr, they take only with higher education, that is, officers already, it’s not enough to fight
        they fought them took in the SOBR
        Although I participated in CT, they didn’t take me because of the lack of education
  13. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 21: 01 New
    0
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Quote: Svyatoslav72
    Special forces are good, but when it comes time to fight, it turns out that those who need it are fighting and all the others provide extras or are present as extras. All the "Caucasian misunderstandings" proved the inability of the political leadership to lead and execute the military.

    The worst thing is that such types of troops as infantry are initially thought of as "cannon fodder" and it is fatal, terrible that intelligence units use them as assault troops in all their good preparedness, and worst of all, there are such commanders, who push the soldiers to death for the stars and stripes without hesitation.


    This has always been the case with any political system. Neither you nor I can change this. A soldier has the right only to die after completing the task.
    1. Svyatoslav72
      Svyatoslav72 April 1 2013 22: 47 New
      -1
      Quote: Speckled32
      This has always been the case with any political system. Neither you nor I can change this. A soldier has the right only to die after completing the task.

      This is masochism, suitable for large, stupid Armies, with an excess of population. Victory at any cost is justified only in conditions of hopelessness, in the absence of all components ensuring the fulfillment of goals and objectives. “Not by number but by skill” (Suvorov).
  14. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 21: 12 New
    0
    [quote = Krapovy32] [quote = andrey903] Not just the credentials, but no one asked for their names, it’s as though they basically took them from Dzerzhinka, but they disappeared (there were 4 of them and they probably called Moscow Region. They served me former athletes of an international level do not consider berets to be an award, although 3 were exactly Lysyuk handed, but no one wears [/ qu negative ote]

    Is sport international and in SOBR? Surnames and not words, at least you yourself understand that dear that internationals choose completely different areas by the end of their careers. And the end is usually 25 to 30 years. You still argue with me about the sport of the highest achievements. Enough with the scales to shine, last names and certificate numbers. [/ Quote]
    You know that Krapovy was originally an army ensign and somehow mine, you yourself understand me better, and your brother in the GRU special forces served 2 years, but this is not about that, you are a SWAT officer from the same structure, but you are biting each other, you must each other understand the words with the floor, you are doing the same thing, you have similar tasks, and you work in the same team in war, drop it, come to a common opiniondrinks
  15. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 21: 22 New
    0
    [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Krapovy32] [quote = andrey903] Not only the credentials, but no one asked for their names, it’s as though they were taken from the dzierzinka anyway, but they disappeared (there were 4 of them and there were probably a call Moscow region: Former athletes of international level served with me and do not consider berets to be an award, although he definitely gave 3 to Lysyuk, but no one wears [/ qu negative ote]

    Is sport international and in SOBR? Surnames and not words, at least you yourself understand that dear that internationals choose completely different areas by the end of their careers. And the end is usually 25 to 30 years. You still argue with me about the sport of the highest achievements. Enough with the scales to shine, last names and certificate numbers. [/ Quote]
    You know that Krapovy was originally an army ensign and somehow mine, you yourself understand me better, and your brother in the GRU special forces served 2 years, but this is not about that, you are a SWAT officer from the same structure, but you are biting each other, you must each other understand the words with the floor, you are doing the same thing, you have similar tasks, and you work in the same team in war, drop it, come to a common opiniondrinks[/ Quote]

    You know you're right. But this comrade does not understand what he is writing about. He is apparently a terminator, or Ilya Muromets of some sort .and SOBR they apparently are elite such that only angels are cooler than them. He insulted the guys who later earned this beret with blood. Personally, no one called him, for example, a bribe taker, etc. This is, for example, not a single maroon charge for both Chechen companies was captured. I’m not trying to brag here, but I’ll not let it brazenly into my soul. It would be nice to see this person in May in ODON when they will be handed over. I would have looked with pleasure at his meekness in action. Let him pass this exam, then he will have the RIGHT to talk about maroon berets.
  16. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    Quote: andrey903
    Only in hand-to-hand combat, I told you that we have a lot of masters, even there are participants in the world championships, very few weighing less than 90 kg, and the guys weigh 70 kg each, so they laid down right away. Naturally, no one will run a 12 km body armor with us, not even trying, and even age, not to games. And even in BB they are gaining on the residual principle, what remains is only a construction battalion. And the special forces are the worst of the worst, there is a slight touch of moron


    Again, you're lying, what’s that SOBR so elite where are all these “participants”? To participate is not to win. You're right at all. Krapovy in front of you kids are small, smarty then what a hero of the whole site laughing Words alone and no evidence. What are the data of those who allegedly handed over from yours and Lysyuk personally handed them to them. I’ll check you on this.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 1 2013 21: 54 New
      -2
      Those men who were given Berets by Lysyuk didn’t give anything to them, were awarded for their merits, they have at least 3 Orders of Courage, each of them (I have 2) is already far beyond 40, they are colonels and lieutenant colonels and this was 12 years ago. We had limited ammunition consumption and had to spend days on end. Strong athletes came to the simple police wanted, traffic police and then transferred where more familiar. I haven’t even heard of the maroon berets about Muscovites, and we have all the locals, just why?
      1. Massik
        Massik April 2 2013 02: 14 New
        +3
        Krapovy beret can still be obtained only if he was seriously injured during the CTO
        you somehow strangely prove your point of view, have not seen a single person who received the Order of Courage, who would say so
        (I have 2)
        Looks like an attempt to give credibility to your words
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 21: 44 New
    0
    And tell me, speckled, as an exception, but why do not you like paratroopers?
  18. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 21: 59 New
    -1
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    And tell me, speckled, as an exception, but why do not you like paratroopers?


    Why do not you immediately love? bully Why infa shy to ask? There are times when some personalities began to work out especially. That’s the whole point. And it’s not worth comparing us, the tasks are too different. although there are guys on both sides who often seek to find out who is cooler. Airborne is an air infantry. And OSN VV is anti-terror first of all. My father is a deceased Airborne Trooper, two friends close from the Pskov landing. And the tankman’s neighbor, I’m not trying to find out who is cooler drinks
  19. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 22: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: andrey903
    Those men who were given Berets by Lysyuk didn’t give anything to them, were awarded for their merits, they have at least 3 Orders of Courage, each of them (I have 2) is already far beyond 40, they are colonels and lieutenant colonels and this was 12 years ago. We had limited ammunition consumption and had to spend days on end. Strong athletes came to the simple police wanted, traffic police and then transferred where more familiar. I haven’t even heard of the maroon berets about Muscovites, and we have all the locals, just why?


    Well, name the license numbers on berets and that’s it. You spat in the soul without looking. So I want to see well, superheroes, so to speak, in colors and in faces.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 1 2013 22: 27 New
      -3
      I have long been retired like them. I didn’t even know that there are certificates. There was some kind of holiday, awards were handed out, whether the papers were left, and it doesn’t matter who needs them, he takes something for you, it means nothing from us, they gave and they gave, they forgot right there
  20. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 22: 27 New
    -1
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    And tell me, speckled, as an exception, but why do not you like paratroopers?


    Why do not you immediately love? bully Why infa shy to ask? There are times when some personalities began to work out especially. That’s the whole point. And it’s not worth comparing us, the tasks are too different. although there are guys on both sides who often seek to find out who is cooler. Airborne is an air infantry. And OSN VV is anti-terror first of all. My father is a deceased Airborne Trooper, two friends close from the Pskov landing. And the tankman’s neighbor, I’m not trying to find out who is cooler drinks

    Yes, they didn’t talk about love firstly, the green beret mentioned earlier, and I have one friend, I was a sniper in the reconnaissance of the BB both served at the same time and never crossed, and as for the “confrontation”, the army team can’t decide among themselves what vest is correct, blue or black, well, it’s me already from the words of my brother!
  21. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 22: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: andrey903
    Those men who were given Berets by Lysyuk didn’t give anything to them, were awarded for their merits, they have at least 3 Orders of Courage, each of them (I have 2) is already far beyond 40, they are colonels and lieutenant colonels and this was 12 years ago. We had limited ammunition consumption and had to spend days on end. Strong athletes came to the simple police wanted, traffic police and then transferred where more familiar. I haven’t even heard of the maroon berets about Muscovites, and we have all the locals, just why?


    Well, name the license numbers on berets and that’s it. You spat in the soul without looking. So I want to see well, superheroes, so to speak, in colors and in faces.

    And you still serve or was it an urgent?
  22. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 22: 36 New
    +1
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: andrey903
    Those men who were given Berets by Lysyuk didn’t give anything to them, were awarded for their merits, they have at least 3 Orders of Courage, each of them (I have 2) is already far beyond 40, they are colonels and lieutenant colonels and this was 12 years ago. We had limited ammunition consumption and had to spend days on end. Strong athletes came to the simple police wanted, traffic police and then transferred where more familiar. I haven’t even heard of the maroon berets about Muscovites, and we have all the locals, just why?


    Well, name the license numbers on berets and that’s it. You spat in the soul without looking. So I want to see well, superheroes, so to speak, in colors and in faces.

    And you still serve or was it an urgent?

    5 years old, officer. Resignation of an injury, alas, in civilian life hi
    1. Massik
      Massik April 2 2013 02: 19 New
      0
      It’s kind of shitty, couldn’t it be arranged at least in the personnel department? I’m studying for 5 years, to serve another 5 years and leave. On the one hand, I am glad that I left, it hurts the team in the group was bad, on the other it constantly pulls back.
  23. Svyatoslav72
    Svyatoslav72 April 1 2013 22: 37 New
    -1
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Quote: Svyatoslav72
    Special forces are good, but when it comes time to fight, it turns out that those who need it are fighting and all the others provide extras or are present as extras. All the "Caucasian misunderstandings" proved the inability of the political leadership to lead and execute the military.

    The worst thing is that such types of troops as infantry are initially thought of as "cannon fodder" and it is fatal, terrible that intelligence units use them as assault troops in all their good preparedness, and worst of all, there are such commanders, who push the soldiers to death for the stars and stripes without hesitation.

    Cadres decide everything, psychology determines preparation helps and mission determines. Unfortunately, people often make mistakes intentionally, under the influence of illusions and under the influence of mania. The result is logical.
  24. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 22: 38 New
    -1
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    And tell me, speckled, as an exception, but why do not you like paratroopers?


    Why do not you immediately love? bully Why infa shy to ask? There are times when some personalities began to work out especially. That’s the whole point. And it’s not worth comparing us, the tasks are too different. although there are guys on both sides who often seek to find out who is cooler. Airborne is an air infantry. And OSN VV is anti-terror first of all. My father is a deceased Airborne Trooper, two friends close from the Pskov landing. And the tankman’s neighbor, I’m not trying to find out who is cooler drinks

    Yes, they didn’t talk about love firstly, the green beret mentioned earlier, and I have one friend, I was a sniper in the reconnaissance of the BB both served at the same time and never crossed, and as for the “confrontation”, the army team can’t decide among themselves what vest is correct, blue or black, well, it’s me already from the words of my brother!


    He was probably joking. At first, we didn’t even wear vests. Although there were exceptions from the paratroopers who were lured into the troops. Well, now there is a vest. Only with a scarlet stripe.
  25. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 1 2013 22: 40 New
    0
    Quote: andrey903
    I have long been retired like them. I didn’t even know that there are certificates. There was some kind of holiday, awards were handed out, whether the papers were left, and it doesn’t matter who needs them, he takes something for you, it means nothing from us, they gave and they gave, they forgot right there


    Just because of age I will not begin to develop the topic further. But you are all wrong. Be healthy .
  26. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 22: 57 New
    0
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    Quote: Speckled32
    Quote: Prapor Afonya
    And tell me, speckled, as an exception, but why do not you like paratroopers?


    Why do not you immediately love? bully Why infa shy to ask? There are times when some personalities began to work out especially. That’s the whole point. And it’s not worth comparing us, the tasks are too different. although there are guys on both sides who often seek to find out who is cooler. Airborne is an air infantry. And OSN VV is anti-terror first of all. My father is a deceased Airborne Trooper, two friends close from the Pskov landing. And the tankman’s neighbor, I’m not trying to find out who is cooler drinks

    Yes, they didn’t talk about love firstly, the green beret mentioned earlier, and I have one friend, I was a sniper in the reconnaissance of the BB both served at the same time and never crossed, and as for the “confrontation”, the army team can’t decide among themselves what vest is correct, blue or black, well, it’s me already from the words of my brother!


    He was probably joking. At first, we didn’t even wear vests. Although there were exceptions from the paratroopers who were lured into the troops. Well, now there is a vest. Only with a scarlet stripe.

    Well, it means about not love, this is, as always, the next for .. b conscripts!
  27. brush
    brush April 1 2013 23: 08 New
    +3
    Chechnya did not need muscles, but endurance, quick wit and reaction. Accuracy also mattered (you hit the ground or concrete on the edge, the Czechs fell silent for a while). The special forces of the explosive lost no less and no more than other "special forces".
  28. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 23: 35 New
    +1
    Quote: brush
    Chechnya did not need muscles, but endurance, quick wit and reaction. Accuracy also mattered (you hit the ground or concrete on the edge, the Czechs fell silent for a while). The special forces of the explosive lost no less and no more than other "special forces".

    Muscle mass does not affect the initial speed of the bullet!
  29. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 2 2013 04: 08 New
    0
    Quote: Marssik
    It’s kind of shitty, couldn’t it be arranged at least in the personnel department? I’m studying for 5 years, to serve another 5 years and leave. On the one hand, I am glad that I left, it hurts the team in the group was bad, on the other it constantly pulls back.


    Also pulling, offered to stay in another position in the regular part. At that moment I did not want to. At first there was a feeling of uselessness and longing. And now I'm trying to find myself in civilian life.
  30. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 2 2013 04: 33 New
    0
    [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Prapor Afonya] [quote = Prapor Afonya]

    Well, it’s more worth attributing to youth. On the one hand, the guys say we are cooler and on the other, the same. So there is nothing new in this, everything from childhood is coming. Fights yard to yard, district to district, etc. yes
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 2 2013 07: 57 New
      0
      No need to get carried away too much with physical training, there will be problems in shooting, quite above average. In combat, melee enter the courage they shake which is bad for shooting
  31. Just
    Just April 2 2013 08: 47 New
    +3
    Quote: Speckled32
    but there is no desire to argue with the amateur and LIEND!


    It is right.
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 April 2 2013 14: 09 New
      -3
      About that and the conversation, stupid people and peasants, of which they are proud
  32. O_RUS
    O_RUS April 3 2013 00: 09 New
    +4
    Quote: Vovka Levka

    Why do they take them to the army at age 18? Yes, because, at this age, there is no brain, what they say, they will do it. It is beautifully written of course, but life is a little different.


    You are my friend .....!

    Read ... maybe something will be deposited in your head ...
    Alexandrov
    Vladimir Andreevich http://www.warchechnya.ru/news/vechnaja_pamjat/2011-05-21-1172

    Aitov Alfer Izhatovich
    01.02.1975/01.01.1995/2011 - 08/09/1474 http://www.warchechnya.ru/news/vechnaja_pamjat/XNUMX

    Zavyalkin Andrey Vyacheslavovich
    23.05.1980-05.01.2000
    Hero of Russia http://warheroes.ru
  33. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 3 2013 07: 54 New
    0
    Quote: andrey903
    About that and the conversation, stupid people and peasants, of which they are proud


    And you, dear, an aristocrat or something in the tenth generation? negative Such "peasants" as you call in the army, almost half. Do you understand what you wrote? You’ve humiliated most of the military and conscripts now. You have delusions of grandeur or an inferiority complex of what kind, say don't be shy ?! He himself must be one of the hard workers of hereditary and you lift your nose. It’s the extent to which people need to not be respected so that they hang labels. Of course, you can write here everything that comes to the oak head. But the concepts of honor and dignity are not for people like you. The arrogance and pride of you is so rushing. Ficus you are sad. fool
  34. Russian knight
    Russian knight April 8 2013 11: 08 New
    +1
    For many guys, the special forces of VV became a school of courage.
  35. Russian knight
    Russian knight April 8 2013 11: 09 New
    +1
    For many, military service has become a school of courage.
  36. jumpmaster
    jumpmaster 10 May 2013 00: 30 New
    -2
    Well, do not be offended, everyone has their own opinion. In principle, I normally relate to all units, (jambs are present at all), but the preparation does not start and does not end at the hand-to-hand, and tactically, many units even of the special forces of the explosives are honestly not up to the mark (I am silent about reconnaissance of operational brigades), Again, I’ll immediately emphasize that I only have data before 2000, then I’ve less opportunity to communicate. I have been communicating with the "speckles" for a long time and have not once heard from them themselves, if I didn’t please something, then at least I don’t give up on the wall. I agree that anything happens, you should not judge by individual facts. But in passing the exam on the beret (just let's not argue) there is nothing supernatural. At one time, they already proved it! I agree very hard, but not so much. Again, after the departure of the legendary Lysyuk, a lot has changed and not for the better. And the fact that the "maroon berets" I apologize for PRing themselves for almost 15 years, it filled my mouth. I really like one thing from you, this is a clear system of suppressing not-so-well-conducted operations, neither - it will get into the press! The control is fierce. You said everything correctly, and I don’t argue about the advice and the level of selection, but you don’t need to be super-universal, everyone does his job. And then forgive me at one time in the magazine the little brother of the 90s wrote to such nonsense that "Alpha" went to you to take the experience.
    No offense, once again with respect to all “Krapovye Beretam”!
  37. jumpmaster
    jumpmaster 11 May 2013 17: 50 New
    -2
    Well, you really need to pierce the eyes!