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Let's help the Ministry of Education!

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In the fall I had a meeting with officials from the Ministry of Education and Science of Russia. Enough, as it seemed to me then, encouraging. They even jointly decided that it was necessary to open such a site, to which people could send their complaints about how the education reform is carried out and what it turns into. Yes, a lot of inconclusive politicians and journalists, scholars and teachers of universities, schools wrote about this ... But most of all horrified by what they did to their children, ordinary people - those on whom Russia always rested!


Let's help the Ministry of Education!


I received a lot of letters from them. Is this true when there is no one to complain, except for the satirist ?!

In concerts I gave a lot of seemingly funniest examples of youth illiteracy. But this is not fun.

After all, our state, growing underdeveloped, turns the younger generation into unhappy people who do not have sensible occupations. Our fertility is covered with non-vitamin weeds.

Today, many say that when applying for work, young people politely ask the question: “How much will I get?” But no one asks: “What will I work with?”

They have no professions, skills, self-discipline ...

Those who received an education during the Soviet era began to be worth their weight in gold. They are more organized, they can make decisions and take responsibility for their actions. Of course, many at my age have fallen behind the new technologies. But not all! Moreover, it turned out that to master these technologies for a person who was educated in the Soviet era is just to spit. Were stubborn and those who are lazy. As well as the proud, who consider new technologies to be devilish.

But personally, when I come to the store and if I don’t understand something, I try to find an older seller for clarification.

As a result, many courses have been opened in the country where future managers are trained. Management does not need to train! Manager ... sorry, I will speak in Russian, the ability to manage people begins with the ability to control themselves. Not courses should be for managers, managers, and in school you need to enter the subject "Office work". The ability to control oneself and future subordinates should be in everyone! This must be learned in the same way that in our time we have been trained in gymnastics lessons and singing in singing lessons. Do exercises, sing, be able to organize things ... - as necessary as the ability to breathe properly. And special courses are a pulling of dough from suckers.

Most of our young people think that if they crawl freely through networks, they have already learned everything! The monstrous mistake that each of them will ever lead to unhappiness.

The ministry officials, when I gave them examples of today's youth lack of education, did not believe me and, bulging eyes, accused that I had invented all this as a satirist.

Then we decided to create a site for collecting information, on which all indignant could speak, to give examples of the horror of degradation.

So what?

Half a year has passed - the ministry does not itch!

Do you know why? They do not know what to do. Even the site can not open. They can not arrange for the design of such a site the necessary paper. This is one reason, but there is another, more serious one. Today's officials are afraid of everything! It seems to them that Putin is personally observing each of them, and if they do something wrong, he will personally dismiss them. Honestly, this is arrogance! Nevertheless, the main thing that motivates today's official is fear! And suddenly, for such a site, on which ALL TRUTH will appear, they will not be praised from above. And on top - Koschey-Fursenko. It still hangs over the Minobrazin Damocles horseradish, although it seems that it was stuck on some distant Kremlin mezzanine. But, you see, on a very high mezzanine, from which everything is visible and you can watch your glade.

Those officials I met with are cute, cute, one can see by their eyes, those who want to improve at least something. But they themselves are underdeveloped! How can under-educated people engage in education? Sometimes some of them are illiterate. You can't even blame them. It is impossible, for example, to accuse me of assisting neurosurgeons during an operation poorly. True, unlike officials, I will never do what I do not know how to do. But the official is such a profession, any of them can be thrown to any position, like the notorious Serdyukov, from the stools to the army.

The workers of today's Minobrazina are pawns! And the pawns who never become queens!

Koshchei fear.

Only in this way can I explain why such a handsome man like Livanov, the Minister of Education of Russia, said publicly like:

From an interview with Livanov "RG" about the cost of training:

“Today, for example, we don’t need so many engineers. At the same time, there are three times as many places in universities as we did then. Obviously, there should be fewer places, but the cost of one student should be much higher. Not 60 thousand, as it is now, but 200 – 250 thousand rubles. As soon as we get away from universal free higher education, mechanisms will appear that will help attract valuable personnel to enterprises. For example, an educational loan. If a good education is expensive and the person is forced to pay for it, he will be able to take out a loan, and the future employer will pay it in exchange for obligations. ”

I am sure that Koschei-Fursenko left in the Ministry of Education his guardians, who are still following the established financial schemes and flows. And what can today's ministry employees do as a result if Koshchei warriors sit on financial flows? They really can not be blamed. I feel sorry for them.

Yes, they are up there, on the “Kremlin entresols”, all faithful to each other, like a sidekick from the same zone.

But the country is from this very bad! They are ready to betray the people, country, conscience, army ... But not each other! What does it mean? They are tied up with the same machinations, with the same slogans, with a single hatred of the people, which must be turned into a sort of human mass of oil and gas boilers.

Personally, I wait until our Minobrazin will swing, tired!

And I decided to open a website myself, on which everyone could write and share their sadness, sadness and anger at what the Ministry of Education has done today.

And then, you see, the Ministry of Finance does not have money to open the site. But in my case, there is always a store in it.

So, dear friends, send everything you consider necessary to bring to the attention of the Ministry. I promise to give them this future "collection."

I warn you, it will only include your real complaints and examples. Fantasies and angry letters written in hearts will not be bound.

Here, by the way, is an example of another real crime on the part of the Ministry of Education ...

At Moscow State University, at the best, strongest institution of higher learning in the country, a struggle has begun with the faculty of philology. How many worthy teachers, scholars-philologists raised this faculty! And how many intelligent students are brought up, whose high level of education is recognized even abroad, when they leave for work there. But, you see, today this faculty is not very self-sufficient. Is it not a shame to make such claims to an educational institution in the country of oil and gas? How is it possible to demand self-sufficiency from educational institutions? Those who do it, or criminals, or assholes. Dostoevsky is not on them!

And most importantly - the rector of Moscow State University on the side of the Ministry of Education. Understandably, he takes the most serious post! In addition, a respected person, a real scientist ... He is afraid that if he goes against the ministry, the title of a real scientist will be removed from him.

And after all, many people understand it in their souls that they are wrong, and they are obliged to surrender to them.

I think that Minister Livanov himself also understands everything in his heart. In fact, judging by his youth, he was always a very faithful companion, a man with noble intentions. He is a mountaineer! He knows what it is to work in a bundle. How to be a devotee. But “a good climber” is not a reason to become a minister of education. In addition, a loyal comrade is great, but to be in tandem with Fursenko and to remain loyal to him means ... to change your people!

And now I will outline some topics to which, in my opinion, many of you will respond:

- What are ugly puzzles in modern textbooks of various disciplines.

- How poorly educated are today's young teachers.

- What instructions come from above to schools and institutions almost under the heading of "secret." Since these instructions are secret, it means that they understand very well above that they are directed against the people. The people should not know about them!

- Questions EGE.

- Answers pupils and students.

- The level of knowledge of applicants.

- How much are grades in various universities?

- How much do they pay for “beautiful” diplomas?

- What are the meager salaries of teachers!

- Why men do not go to school to work as teachers.

- Registry and window dressing. Estimates now do not reflect knowledge. The higher the average grades score of pupils in the school, the higher the score of this school is from the Ministry of Education.

- Extortion.

- Quotes from written works.

- Faded amateur - spring child activity.

- Close interest circles - no money! And to lead the circle, say, "Embroidery and sewing" should embroideress with ... DIPLOMA! (At the same time, the officials of the Ministry of Education themselves are underdeveloped! But with diplomas.)

- Examples of how young people do not know how to express a thought in their native language, retell the content of a film, a book read.

“And much more, which I don’t suspect right now, and many of you will surely open my eyes.”

Let us help our Ministry of Education! Give him a helping hand, shaking that, he shudder. I promise with my assistants to make a collection of the letters you sent and send it to the Ministry of Education. Of course, they can pretend that he was not noticed. Will not work! I will send the second copy to the Presidential Administration. I know there are several non-pilates who "will not wash their hands."

And even as a safety net, I’ll post it all on the Internet, and if I need to, I’ll call upon to collect signatures so that today's ministry workers can be dismissed at once. And today's minister should not be offended at me, he is still a young man, will again be a wonderful mountaineer, his friends will respect him, and he will again become a true friend in conjunction with those like him. And today, being in conjunction with Fursenko, he betrays himself first and foremost. About the guard I do not speak, they do not even deserve attention.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 30 March 2013 15: 33
    21
    This is not news, everyone knows about it and this is even more rotten. recourse
    1. kris
      kris 30 March 2013 20: 01
      +7
      2001-19 place.
      2012- 35 place.

      strange statistics during the reign of Putin.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 30 March 2013 20: 37
        +5
        Nothing strange, it is rather a pattern.

        And this is just to cheer up, so that not everything is so gloomy:
        http://demotivation.me/v1dvcoci6fsupic.html#.UVcj2TfvtSM
      2. starshina78
        starshina78 30 March 2013 20: 40
        +9
        Do not blame Putin for everything. I myself, earlier, blamed him for all the sins and troubles of Russia. Putin alone will not do anything without us. He cannot keep track of what textbooks are being published, what curriculum our children and grandchildren follow, what schools are closed, parents at school pay or do not pay for one or another program invented by the director, or simply for guarding and cleaning classes, textbooks. The Ministry of Education is to blame for everything. It makes out of our youth, with weak knowledge, and who can only put a tick in the tests, not knowing the whole subject as we knew, studying in Soviet schools. This reform, the imposed "Bologna system" of education, will not lead to anything good, unless you and I help the same Putin to put things in order in education.
        1. Uhalus
          Uhalus 30 March 2013 22: 14
          +3
          Poor Putin! He doesn’t know anything, being only in illusions and dreams ... He can’t fix anything, organize it ... And there’s nobody to say ... Poor thing ... He has neither his own intelligence nor understanding that his own bureaucrats glasses can rub him ... Who does he put on posts? Where do they come from? Aye ?! So he doesn’t know anything? Do you believe it yourself? - is he a ruler or who?
          1. scrack
            scrack 30 March 2013 23: 42
            +2
            As they say, a lapdog does not raise a person
          2. oleko51081
            oleko51081 April 1 2013 12: 26
            -1
            And you don’t know all your street neighbors in any way? Some officials in power, former bureaucrats for 90 years in the opposition on the Swamp., Who after their reign left 172 billion $ + Soviet debts, with a country destroyed as after the war. And now they have sat out for 10 years and got out-corruption, the courts are not such a question who gave birth to all this? And who ruined this tangle? The most interesting thing is that the newly-promoted propelled people go with the old thieves, are friends, they visited Birch a year ago. The authorities want a new one, maybe enough have already practiced?
          3. nakaz
            nakaz April 1 2013 12: 42
            -1
            To just blame the people who rule Russia, try changing the environment around you. It is always extremely difficult, rather, on the contrary, you yourself will change.
        2. Genur
          Genur 30 March 2013 22: 15
          +7
          About Livanov Today
          Brilev and Alferov ... Zh.I. Alferov: "A physicist discovers a new phenomenon. A theoretician comes (Dmitry Viktorovich Livanov is a theoretical physicist) and writes a theory. Then an engineer comes and creates a new device. When this is a worthwhile phenomenon, an interesting thing, so scientific and technological progress develops. Then comes a philosopher who does not know either physics, mathematics or engineering, but loves to talk about everything. Our problems should be solved by professionals.
          Brilev: - Dmitry Livanov in your eyes is primarily a theoretical physicist or philosopher? Is reconciliation possible?
          - I think that in matters of school education and the organization of science as a whole, he is rather a philosopher
          http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1068373
        3. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 30 March 2013 22: 18
          14
          Quote: starshina78
          Putin alone will not do anything without us

          And you tried to contact the GDP with a complaint about a bureaucrat and a bribe taker, but I tried, they sent me to consider who I was complaining about, the paradox of GDP policy.
          1. Ghenxnumx
            Ghenxnumx April 1 2013 17: 28
            0
            Quote: d.gksueyjd
            And you tried to contact the GDP with a complaint about a bureaucrat and a bribe taker, but I tried, they sent me to consider who I was complaining about, the paradox of GDP policy.

            Perhaps the Icelandic official has done much harm? laughing I did not know that GDP could affect Iceland belay
            Ah, you do not know - so now you can see the location of the addressee smile
        4. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 31 March 2013 00: 37
          +6
          "Putin alone will not do anything without us. He cannot keep track of which textbooks are published." But he manages to get the amphorae from the bottom of the sea, put the Siberian Cranes on the wing, ride the harvester and the viburnum ... Yes, he has plenty of time!
        5. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 23
          +5
          Quote: starshina78
          Putin put things in order in education.


          education
        6. Begemot
          Begemot April 1 2013 15: 46
          0
          All laws are signed by Putin! And on the law on education too! He, of course, has nothing to do with it! And people are recruited into ministries to lead especially "talented" with him do not agree !! ?? When would he do such little things !?
          Although I’m not a supporter of humbling GDP, there are questions in which he deserves criticism!
      3. marsavin.yu
        marsavin.yu 30 March 2013 20: 41
        0
        the cat threw kittens is Putin's fault ........
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 31 March 2013 00: 35
          +7
          If you are a regiment commander and you have a mess in the regiment, then who is to blame, soldiers?
      4. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 30 March 2013 21: 22
        15
        Not strange, but natural! Cattle is easier to steer, and in leadership positions you can put children with a foreign childhood and education !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 31 March 2013 00: 32
          12
          From the Internet.
          “The school was not just cleaned - it sparkled. The children did not just study here - they were treated kindly.
          The dining room smelled of delicious soup and pies. The head teacher lived in a small teacher’s office - a great methodologist
          Margarita Mikhailovna. She had only one entry in her work book, and she spent her whole life
          so that serpentine children get knowledge no less than urban ones.
          In the workshop, an old Trudovik, dad Lenya, as everyone called him, slowly tapped with a hammer, both for his eyes and for his eyes. The good-natured sportsman ran to him to smoke and fight chess ...
          Tale, and more. The hobbits. A wonderful little country where the sun always shines.
          Then I went to the 4th grade - only four children. How great it was, and how right it was!
          With each one, you could slowly talk, correct mistakes, listen to a speech, train the reading speed ...
          We wrote poems with them, went for a walk on Theza, carried out the most unthinkable creative works - up to a physical dictation, for which, by the way, I even flew a little. Overdid it with innovation.
          Do teachers in city schools remember such activities with children?
          And so the whole school worked ... "
          http://gazeta.shuyanet.ru/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1469&Itemid=
          219

          Fursenko proposed to reduce 200 thousand teachers.
          http://stringer-news.com/publication.mhtml?Part=48&PubID=14350
      5. avensis
        avensis 31 March 2013 11: 40
        -7
        "strange statistics during Putin's rule."
        All because of him, because of Putin! He also eats children
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 31 March 2013 14: 58
          +1
          What does V. Putin have to do with it?
          All this retinue does, for example, Vasiliev.
          And he does not know.
    2. vezunchik
      vezunchik 30 March 2013 23: 30
      10
      Neither Antana in the 20s, nor fascist Germany, but its Russian government made youth youthless. So who is responsible for this? Who is the head of state ?? In the fall, teachers in Saratov - pensioners came out in protest - and the policemen dropped their foreheads (there was a video on the Internet). But in vain they renamed the police to the police ....
    3. Russian
      Russian 31 March 2013 21: 55
      0
      But our current Minister of Education, as they say, without comment
    4. Nikolaitch
      Nikolaitch 31 March 2013 22: 18
      0
      Good day, Michael.
      I have only two questions:
      - where is the link to your site, where to write?
      - Could you become the Minister of Education? and if so, what do we need to do to support this endeavor?
      Sincerely.
    5. Civil
      Civil April 1 2013 12: 26
      0
      - the author for the non-parliamentary title of the article, with regard to the content, it is ALREADY LATE ... before it was necessary to protest
  2. zart_arn
    zart_arn 30 March 2013 15: 34
    28
    This is our state policy. After all, when an autocrat expresses his will, there are both funds and specialists, and the system works.
    Conclusion - the education system is not a priority for the country's leadership.
    1. v53993
      v53993 30 March 2013 16: 01
      11
      Unfortunately you are right.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 March 2013 16: 49
      22
      I am more and more inclined towards a version such as the fact that stupid and illiterate, easier to edit. I don’t understand the other, there are so few of us, "partners" surrounded Russia from all sides. It is not possible in such a situation, literate and educated citizens of the country are not needed. fool
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 17: 18
        18
        Quote: Sirocco
        I am more and more inclined towards a version such as the fact that stupid and illiterate, easier to edit. I don’t understand the other, there are so few of us, "partners" surrounded Russia from all sides. It is not possible in such a situation, literate and educated citizens of the country are not needed. fool


        The uneducated is easier to influence from the outside, it is easier for them to rule
      2. Genur
        Genur 30 March 2013 22: 32
        +5
        Absolutely right! And, first of all, you need a good school education. Zh.I. Alferov: "School education is a great thing, and let your Ministry of Education deal with it."
        Surely some do not understand this? And with arrogance they philosophize on any topic, and even teach others.
      3. oleko51081
        oleko51081 April 1 2013 12: 32
        -1
        About your "literacy" and your actions - one to one with the end of the 80s, they sang the same thing until they came to power - and what have they done? Now, on a new basis with the same slogans and liberal ideas., Only with strangers rewritten from the west, nothing of their own, as it was at the end of the 80s. Nothing new. Only the second 90s will not survive the country. Who told you that you are literate ? With one theory, you are nobody, but simply scholars without any experience.
    3. sams
      sams 30 March 2013 20: 13
      13
      Quote: zart_arn
      Conclusion - the education system is not a priority for the country's leadership.

      But what is a priority for the country's leadership?
      In addition to dense demagoguery and ingenious terminology, when describing our supposed intentions, we do not see anything.
      Things differ with the words ... though ... how to look ....
      It was said: we will carry out reforms of the housing and communal services, education, healthcare, the army and so on.
      These are the priorities in the form of all these reforms. And they don’t see the end.
      But it is precisely on the basis of the results of the reforms that certain conclusions can be drawn.
      When will the first people of the country clearly explain to us where they are moving and what they want to achieve?
      Again I will answer my own question.
      They will never tell us this! Because the essence of their policy is anti-people.
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 25
        +2
        Why anti-people? The goal is simple and obvious - enriching the country's top officials
    4. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 13: 56
      +4
      What for? Dull are easier to manage, physical education is the main thing, i.e. physical strength, after the work of a woman, brains are useless (somewhere I already heard this, not with Goebels, it’s very likely) .....
  3. PPO-1980
    PPO-1980 30 March 2013 15: 50
    +5
    Entirely and fully support.
  4. erased
    erased 30 March 2013 15: 54
    +8
    Mikhail Zadornov is right, which happens to him very often. Only he digs not so deep.
    And who gives instructions to the Ministry of Education? Who allows children to push this harmful and dangerous dregs? Who is looking through the fingers at lawlessness?
    Sorry, dear satirist does not read comments on the site. And then he would know where the fish was going out from. Although ... he already knows.
    So not everything is decided by the "ministry of education"!
    1. yak69
      yak69 30 March 2013 18: 17
      +9
      Quote: erased
      Only he digs not so deep.

      I think that Zadornov knows more than you and me, but it’s dangerous for him to talk about it openly - they’ll be deprived of his words in all the media.
      Therefore, it does not finish. The ancients said: Sapienti sat - “smart enough” and corresponding to the Russian counterpart “smart will understand”.
      Most importantly, his words make many "dull" think.
      1. erased
        erased 30 March 2013 18: 27
        +7
        Who knows what is a big but small question. Who says what is another matter.
        As the ancient Greco-Roman Vietnamese used to say "Praemonitus praemunitus". Whoever has been warned has the fuse removed from his pocket.
        The main thing is not to confuse the fuse with another unit. And it will be like Stirlitz - "... This is the end ... But where is the gun? .."
        1. yak69
          yak69 30 March 2013 20: 11
          +2
          For comment +1000!
          Witty and in the subject. He laughed heartily. laughing
          Thank you.
          hi
  5. v53993
    v53993 30 March 2013 15: 57
    +7
    Aesop described people like today's education officials in the best possible way, saying: "I know that I do not know anything, and they do not even know that."
  6. Loki77
    Loki77 30 March 2013 16: 09
    11
    The more illiterate people are, the easier it is to make "democracy"! Look at the USA - McDonald's works, and the rest do not care! And in Russia they want to arrange the same "liberastyu" !!!
  7. wolk71
    wolk71 30 March 2013 16: 20
    11
    And I decided to open a website myself, on which everyone could write and share their sadness, sadness and anger at what the Ministry of Education has done today. Where is the link to the site? I want to say a lot, or rather write.
  8. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 30 March 2013 16: 24
    26
    This year, the daughter graduates from the Institute of Politics and Law of the FEFU. The prospect of finding work is zero! As the joke says, the generals have their own children! The son finishes the Suvorov military school and flatly refuses to go to the military school! He wants to become an engineer, but in the school the emphasis was on humanitarian subjects-physics on the exam does not pass, because the level is insufficient! Now the learning process is sharpened to the minimum requirements, it is not interesting for teachers to convey the required amount of information to students. Only three subjects for the exam! Previously, nobody was interested in school, whether you like the subject or not - you must pass it, but now much depends on the choice of the student. But remember yourself - how many wonderful schoolchildren preferred lessons rather than gulki? Freedom went to the detriment! So maybe it's time to limit it already? Yes, and the Teachers tried to give the maximum! Almost forty years have passed, and I still remember with warmth my first Teacher - Anastasia Samoilovna Zadorozhnaya!
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 March 2013 16: 45
      24
      There are many problems at school. 1. This is the impunity of students, and it breeds permissiveness. And parents contribute to this. (in the old days, and dragged me by the ears, and received a pointer, for some reason I did not complain, Why?) 2. They lowered the status of teachers below the plinth (students drag them by the ears and beat them with pointers. Why?) Find two differences between 1 and 2. We hung these watches on the teachers, carried out optimization, reduced many. In short, as elsewhere, he does his dark job, illiteracy in the Ministry of Education, and the notorious optimization.
    2. v53993
      v53993 30 March 2013 16: 46
      +5
      Dear old ensign, I understand you and sympathize. Therefore, my daughter is studying at MADI. Roads will always be needed, even in the country of fools. Regards, Stock Lieutenant Colonel.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 30 March 2013 17: 23
      +8
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      The son finishes the Suvorov military school and flatly refuses to go to the military school! He wants to become an engineer, but in the school the emphasis was on humanitarian subjects-physics on the exam does not pass,
      belay belay
      Yes-ah! And with the "advice", the graduates of the Suvorov schools always had knowledge almost an order of magnitude higher than the graduates of an ordinary high school!
      1. Gregazov
        Gregazov 30 March 2013 18: 58
        +1
        I do not quite agree with you. He entered the engineering school in 1980. Suvorovites in engineering also passed exams. Three of them entered the course, the remaining 267 people - after regular school.
    4. Papakiko
      Papakiko 30 March 2013 18: 33
      0
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      graduates from FEFU Institute of Politics and Law

      And what a tragedy?
      Do you have knowledge of languages, a desire to walk through life with a proudly raised head filled with ideas and desires?
      Everything will be fine.
      good
      1. v53993
        v53993 30 March 2013 19: 15
        +1
        Sorry of course, but are you an uncle?
    5. Genur
      Genur 30 March 2013 22: 44
      +4
      I am joining. My peers, for example, passed 13 (thirteen) translation exams for the 8th grade, 11 for the 10th. And, I note, the teachers then put their soul into us. (Arkhangelsk, school number 6) ...
    6. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 31 March 2013 21: 50
      +2
      "Emphasis on humanitarian subjects" at the Suvorov School. What does this "emphasis" mean? Well, in general ... Humanities "sciences" have one thing in common. That they are not science. How is this expressed? The main instrument of science is a pair of analysis-synthesis, that is, the decomposition of the facts of reality into components and then the construction of a model that explains reality. This is how mathematics works (the language of all sciences), this is how physics works, this is how engineering thought works, this is how all people who do any real work do.
      And the humanitarian? To be honest, in the humanities, under the piles of beautiful, ringing and absolutely empty terminology (humanitarians are very good at expressing themselves beautifully), everything is decided ... by feeling. The "scientist" humanist declares as truth what he ... likes. Therefore, the main argument of the humanities is that "respected scientists have come to a conclusion." You know. what makes (according to the humanities) a bunch of crap art? Critics' opinion! All this is very beautiful ...
      Here's just one small question. Can such an officer fight? Well, that is, he can fight ... as long as he, dolbak, is not killed. And they will not put next to everyone he led into battle, guided by feelings. The holy sense of duty to the Motherland will only lead us to victory when it is rigidly held by the framework of ruthless analysis and synthesis of the only correct tactics and strategy. Is this why they want to take away the most important weapon from the Suvorovites - trained logical thinking? And then in general it will be possible to talk about the "sanctity of human life." Someone's sweaty western paws are clearly visible here ...
  9. domokl
    domokl 30 March 2013 16: 30
    +8
    If you read the scribble, it turns out that Zadornov asks for examples and not conversations .. and again we approve, sir ...
    By and large, the author’s position is clear and understandable. Moreover, the vast majority thinks the same way .. It’s just that there is no talent to express it in such a way that it hooks .. and Michael can and should ... And we should just help with examples ...
  10. TekhnarMAF
    TekhnarMAF 30 March 2013 16: 35
    17
    Ministry of Education, this is the Gestapo of our education! Thank God that I studied in the "damned scoop"! request
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 30
      +1
      I envy you !!! Not serious
  11. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 30 March 2013 16: 37
    18
    Livanov, I can only compare with Serdyukov-two boots a pair.
    Both of these negative characters are imprisoned for destroying what is left to us INHERITANCE FROM THE SOVIET UNION.
    1. v53993
      v53993 30 March 2013 16: 51
      10
      Indeed, they look like two stools from the same factory.
    2. yak69
      yak69 30 March 2013 17: 11
      18
      In Russia today there are three most reactionary ministries, where liberals and scum of all stripes have entrenched themselves. This is the Ministry of Culture, Health and Education.
      Fortunately, the stool was removed from the army. And the rest, the most severe blows are concentrated on the most painful points - traditional culture, science and education (our future) and the health of the nation.
      Of the latest liberal strikes - the law on donation. Juvenile Justice Act Coming An attack is planned at the RAS.
      If it were my will, I would send all these three ministries in full force to the construction projects of the national economy. All to one !!
      1. elmi
        elmi 30 March 2013 20: 43
        +7
        And it seems to me that it could not do without the State Department, there is a planned destruction of Russia by various means, including through education.
        1. sleepy
          sleepy 31 March 2013 00: 48
          +6
          Quote: yak69
          "... Of the last liberal blows - the law on donation. A law on juvenile justice is coming ..."


          Here's more about the laws discussed on the Internet.
          "... Now there will be hell. No, in all seriousness ... another Bill" On Amendments "is being pushed into the State Duma.
          Bill No. 161207-6 "On Amendments to Article 16 of the Federal Law" On Freedom of Conscience
          and on religious associations "and in the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation." ...
          Everything related to religion is, after all, as a rule, all very subtle matters ...
          ... We are interested in the link "the text of the introduced bill", here it is:
          http://asozd2.duma.gov.ru/main.nsf/(SpravkaNew)?OpenAgent&RN=161207-6&02
          Feel free to click and see? And we see a modern, developed and intellectual society, as it is ...

          ...AGAIN! Deputies I.V. Lebedev (LDPR) and S.V. Ivanov (LDPR) submit a bill to the State Duma,
          where it is written in black and white:
          "religious practices involving violent actions against a person
          or animals freely performed in religious buildings and structures, places and objects,
          specially designed for worship, prayer and religious gatherings,
          religious veneration (pilgrimage), in institutions and enterprises of religious organizations,
          and also in living quarters. "

          http://ntv.livejournal.com/274291.html

          "... Yes, yes. Cut your lambs, or drink the blood of Christian babies, only somewhere in your home,
          so that no one sees, and so everything is ok, know the problems. End Yor Relision
          Well, there it is, make sure that the victim is not screaming after 11 pm - breaking the silence after all ... ".
          1. bezumnyiPIT
            bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 32
            +1
            Everything is possible with us, only do not dance in the church
          2. arkady149
            arkady149 31 March 2013 08: 57
            +1
            What obscurantism we are heading for. Faith is replaced by the traditions of rituals, and indeed there is a total substitution of the meanings of everything and everything.
        2. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 31
          +3
          To begin, think about who is the direct chief of the Minister of Education
          1. not good
            not good 31 March 2013 15: 38
            +3
            The chain is short to the top: the prime minister appoints the minister, the president appoints the prime minister (no matter what). Accordingly, the task is set down, and the progress report goes up. If the task is set correctly, but there is no result, then either they cannot do anything at the top, or they simply hammered in a bolt. I remember an anecdote about an old running horse: "... Well, I didn't shmogla, well, what should I do now ?????"
      2. scrack
        scrack 30 March 2013 23: 51
        0
        These offices can add the Central Bank
  12. mesnik
    mesnik 30 March 2013 16: 40
    15
    It seems that now everything is slowly getting better, at least it was better than in the 90s, but for some reason the truth really started up a lot. My mother has been working as a teacher for all my life at school, and now she is 50 too. Now the children are now they themselves became very brutal, disobedient and not obedient with rights there, but that’s half the trouble. Teachers just don’t have time to teach children. They’ve got a lot of reports and scribbles on them, for this they get all kinds of points and ratings, from that and the salary is being added up. They filled up with paperwork so much that they have almost no time to deal with children normally, they need to write some reports all the time, etc. ... They would have elementarily returned them as before, the teacher received the salary and was doing his own job. And now the teacher has to scrape this salary on his own. Everything was done so that they were engaged in vain activities, but not training. It is evident that it was specially done. I hope, of course, that hands will reach from above, until everything is completely gone.
    1. v53993
      v53993 30 March 2013 16: 55
      10
      Kudrin recently explained everything. The state today not only does not need an educated people, it is dangerous for it. Draw conclusions.
      1. elmi
        elmi 30 March 2013 20: 45
        +9
        Now I have learned to understand what is to the detriment of Russia according to Kudrin’s statements: if he offers something, then you don’t need to do this and vice versa.
        1. Genur
          Genur 30 March 2013 22: 53
          +1
          And you remember what political party Kudrin left ... ATP ...
          In my opinion, no need to supplement.
      2. oleko51081
        oleko51081 April 1 2013 12: 35
        0
        And when he cut the truth, when did he work in the Government or when he came running to the Swamp? As soon as they give a kick, they will kick him out of power, so one more oppositionist, Bolotny.
    2. SCS
      SCS 30 March 2013 20: 44
      +9
      mesnik, YOU are absolutely right! everything is so, teachers were filled up with papers and reports! All this happens about 7-8 years! and every year more reports and papers!
      exams in grades 9 and 11 in the form of tests (USE), and in the years 40-50, I know for sure that exams in schools passed in every subject in all classes, at the end of the school year !!!!! you see, why the student needs to know the whole subject, when he needs to remember the solution, roughly speaking, hundreds of tasks in tests !!!!!
  13. yak69
    yak69 30 March 2013 16: 58
    14
    There is one more suggestion. Fans of Putin, write a short article - "Why I Love Putin."
    In the case, with examples from life: his words, laws, deeds. In a word, what he did for the people and the state.
    He himself voted for PU twice. Once, when he furiously promised to "kill" terrorists and bandits. The second time, when I said ““ I understand, not everything in the United Russia party is adjusted and flawless, but I understand this and will arrange everything correctly ”” (this is not literally, in meaning). Then he asked for the support of the people and I (a tiny part of the people) believed him.
    But he cheated. And not once. Personally, I was deceived! And each of us (ordinary citizens) can tell him that.
    I want to hear a reasoned voice in his support. I want to understand, maybe I'm wrong and Pu is good and does a lot of things right, but I just don’t see it.
    Help me figure it out - Putin fans! Why do you love him so much ?!
    Just don’t say that there is no one else.
    1. lechatormosis
      lechatormosis 30 March 2013 17: 12
      +2
      ask a friend with the nickname WRITTEN ZADOVA he he will explain to you popularly the reason for such love.
    2. WWW.budanov
      WWW.budanov 30 March 2013 17: 27
      -5
      There is a simple example of a solution to such a question. I will begin to sort out those who are "against" and "for" Putin, or as you write: PU or "Putin":
      - AGAINST: America, England, Georgia, the Baltic States ... almost all of Europe .... etc.
      - FOR: Belarus, Syria, Abkhazia, Ossetia, China, India ... etc.
      HERE and enter yourself in a number of those who are "against" or "for" ............ And in the end, you will be their friend !!!
      1. lechatormosis
        lechatormosis 30 March 2013 17: 59
        19
        I am FOR: Belarus, Syria, Abkhazia, Ossetia, China, India ... etc.
        But I cannot understand Putin’s actions to suppress the national identity of the Russian people.
        I can’t understand why such a MASS OF LIBERALS WORKS IN THE KREMLIN.
        Why the oligarchs of RUSSIA freely feel themselves in RUSSIA, why so much time Serdyukov has outraged.
        Why liberal Lebanon until now in his chair and many such why.
        1. Zubr
          30 March 2013 21: 39
          +5
          It's time to remember "Dead Souls"
          Is it not you, Russia, that a brisk, irresistible trio rushes about? The road smokes smoke under you, the bridges rattle, everything lags behind and remains behind. The contemplator, struck by God's miracle, stopped: is this lightning cast from heaven? What does this terrifying movement mean? and what kind of unknown power is enclosed in these unknown horses of light? Oh, horses, horses, what kind of horses! Do whirls sit in your manes? Does your sensitive ear burn in every vein? We heard a familiar song from above, together and at once strained the copper breasts and, almost without touching the hooves of the earth, turned into some elongated lines flying through the air, and all inspired by God rushed! .. Russia, where are you rushing? Give an answer. No answer. The bell is filled with a wonderful ringing; the air rumbles and becomes the wind; everything that is on the earth flies past, and, squinting, stand back and give it way to other nations and states.
      2. yak69
        yak69 30 March 2013 18: 05
        16
        Least respected
        Quote: WWW.budanov
        I am now interested in foreign opponents and supporters of PU. We should sort it out at home, among our citizens. To me, this phenomenon of love for PU is not clear. And our society was divided into opponents and supporters, and it is because of this division that we do not have a favorable movement in the country. We are like in the fable "Once upon a time a swan pike cancer". And useful movement is possible only if there is unity! This is the law!
        If we are building capitalism, let's build capitalism, with the whole world, on equal terms. We are building communism, I also agree, with the whole world, on equal terms.
        What are we building ?? !! Answer me stupid! Today, the PU adopts the TRP norms and the title of hero of labor and immediately responds to his counterpart (to the proposal to remove monstrous taxes on small business) - "" it is you now from the USSR, from the past, you are attracting an offer "" (like the one in Nobody paid the USSR for anything and pensions poured in by themselves).
        Pu speaks about a quality free education for all and appoints Fursenko and Lebanon, who only do that they are ruining this very education.
        He talks about free medicine and the closure of rural paramedic points and the law on donation!
        ?????????????? ......................
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 37
          +2
          GDP talks about anti-corruption, but Mr. Pekhtin proves the opposite to us
        2. vyatom
          vyatom April 1 2013 14: 04
          0
          Yes, Putin does not follow the bazaar. Blur something, he does not understand, but sits pleased.
      3. Mihaylo Tishayshiy
        Mihaylo Tishayshiy 30 March 2013 19: 52
        +4
        Quote: WWW.budanov
        There is a simple example of a solution to such a question. I will begin to sort out those who are "against" and "for" Putin, or as you write: PU or "Putin": - AGAINST: America, England, Georgia, the Baltic States ... almost all of Europe .... etc .- FOR: Belarus, Syria, Abkhazia, Ossetia, China, India ... etc. THIS and add yourself to the list of those who are "against" or "for" ........... .And in the end, you will be their friend !!!

        But America, Belarus, England, Syria, etc. - these are states, and we are ordinary citizens. You should have included at least a few surnames of "ordinary" citizens in these lists as a guide - Abramovich, Potanin, Zurabov, Golikova, Skrynnik, Serdyukov, Matvienko, Fursenko, Livanov, Kudrin, Ershov. And, in fact, this is not an example of solving a problem, but an example of avoiding its solution (in the spirit of a parliamentarian - United Russia). You were asked to write down why you love Putin, and you are making lists. According to your logic, I should kiss the Taliban, since they are at war with the Americans in Afghanistan?
        1. WWW.budanov
          WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 10: 01
          0
          I wonder if you are familiar with all these "simple g ..." (... Udaltsov ...)?
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 14: 06
          +1
          Personally, I do not want to kiss them, I do not know how the others ....
      4. sleepy
        sleepy 31 March 2013 00: 58
        +3
        Quote: WWW.budanov
        "There is a simple example of solving such a question. I will begin to sort out those who are" against "and" for "..."


        Who is for Gorbachev and who is against.
        Who is for Yeltsin and who is against.
        Who is for Chubais and who is against.
        Why such comparisons, when "you will recognize the tree by its fruits".
        1. WWW.budanov
          WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 10: 07
          +1
          Ksatati, from one fable, where "after eating acorns ..." she began to "comprehend" the tree, tearing the roots (?).
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 31 March 2013 15: 05
            +1
            Quote: WWW.budanov
            "By the way, from one of the fables, where" after eating acorns ... "she began to" comprehend "the tree, tearing the roots (?)."


            This is a good fable, where a pig, having eaten acorns, but without adding from it with the mind,
            began to undermine the oak tree, without thinking of a distant mind about the consequences ...
            As they say, do not chop the branch on which you sit and do not dig a hole for another ...
      5. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 35
        +2
        Quote: WWW.budanov
        There is a simple example of a solution to such a question. I will begin to sort out those who are "against" and "for" Putin, or as you write: PU or "Putin":
        - AGAINST: America, England, Georgia, the Baltic States ... almost all of Europe .... etc.
        - FOR: Belarus, Syria, Abkhazia, Ossetia, China, India ... etc.
        HERE and enter yourself in a number of those who are "against" or "for" ............ And in the end, you will be their friend !!!


        Straight whole states beyond Putin laughing
    3. Arberes
      Arberes 30 March 2013 17: 56
      +8
      Quote: yak69
      Personally deceived me!
      hi
      Well, you are not the only one Dear!
      But the look of his eyes is so clean!
      For some reason it seems to me that he will spend the fourth term together with the PEOPLE, but separately from us.
      1. bezumnyiPIT
        bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 38
        +2
        He would have a prison term instead of a fourth term
    4. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 30 March 2013 19: 03
      +2
      Quote: yak69
      The second time, when I said "" I understand, not everything in the EP game is well-established and flawless, but I understand this and I will build everything correctly "" (this is not literal, in sense)

      But I remember literally (literally several months ago): Russia must be integrated into the global financial system.
      1. marsavin.yu
        marsavin.yu 30 March 2013 20: 59
        +4
        But Gorbachev did not forget? There is a saying, if you want to defeat the enemy, lead his army. Here, in my opinion, is the answer.
    5. marsavin.yu
      marsavin.yu 30 March 2013 20: 53
      -8
      Say thanks to Putin for being still alive, and not in the trenches and not in zinc. And maybe, with today's opportunities, there would be nothing to add up. Be patient and persistent! The people will win under the leadership of Vladimir Putin and all the traitors and traitors get what they deserve! The country is growing stronger! People wake up and begin to understand what's what. Knowledge is power, and the invaders are afraid of it.
      1. yak69
        yak69 30 March 2013 22: 33
        +4
        Quote: marsavin.yu
        Say thanks to Putin for being still alive, not in the trenches and not in zinc

        Dear PU fan, can you apart from blah blah blah say anything else intelligible?
        Are there any arguments? The specifics?
        Or do you, except edrosovskih agitation, know nothing more?
        But for their agitation and parrots will fit! A lot of mind is not necessary, repeat empty slogans.
        1. WWW.budanov
          WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 09: 15
          0
          I beg your pardon, BUT before all opponents of PU, or how are you "Putin" and why did they bark at me? Now I understand WHERE billions of "information bubble" from the Pentagon are spent, and where such "dashing patriots" with such "daring" come from! Well, yes, the Lord is our judge. And about your "fable ...", I remembered about the "pug on the elephant" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          1. yak69
            yak69 April 2 2013 23: 28
            0
            Quote: WWW.budanov
            and why did they bother me?

            Dear, I cannot bark anyone! Not from that breed.
            Well, if you only faint ....
    6. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 14: 03
      0
      Totally agree with you!
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 31 March 2013 15: 09
        -3
        Vladimir Putin paid the debt of Russia to the IMF with interest.
        Vladimir Putin stopped the rampant terrorism in the Caucasus.
        Therefore, he voted for V. Putin in 2000 and in 2004.
        I would vote for V. Putin in 2008 and even for an increase in the presidential term by 8 years.
        1. yak69
          yak69 April 2 2013 23: 38
          +1
          Quote: sleepy
          Vladimir Putin paid the debt of Russia to the IMF with interest.
          Vladimir Putin stopped the rampant terrorism in the Caucasus.
          Therefore, he voted for V. Putin in 2000 and in 2004.

          The first one. Debts to the IMF were paid by ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation, standing at the machine tool, sowing and harvesting bread in fields, mining ore in mines, etc.
          The second one. PU did not stop rampant terrorism even in Moscow! (m. Dubrovka), even in his native Lubyanka! (explosions in the subway). And soldiers and officers of the Republic of Armenia are fighting with bandits in the Caucasus (many of whom are later successfully forgotten by the government, led by the PU).
          Third. If this is where all your argumentation ends, and your love for PU is getting stronger, then one of two things: either you are a MEMBER of "United Russia", or you have completely blinded from a passionate love for PU.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy April 3 2013 01: 11
            0
            Quote: yak69
            "... If this is where all your argumentation ends, and your love for PU is getting stronger,
            then one of two things: either you are a MEMBER of "United Russia", or completely blinded by a passionate love for PU. "


            I would vote for V. Putin in 2008 and even for an increase in the presidential term by 8 years.
            In 2012 voted for Zyuganov because he was disappointed by the discrepancy between words and deeds,
            while Zyuganov might have found a sane person in the environment, even if he was a “gray cardinal Richelieu”.
            And there are more and more such disappointed after the 2012 elections.
            And then juvenile draft laws are just depressing.
            http://via-midgard.info/news/in_midgard/yuvenalnoj-yusticiej-v-moskve-zapravlyay
            ut.htm
  14. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 30 March 2013 17: 08
    -8
    It is urgently necessary to call on the only remaining INCORRECTED in our state - the non-state spiritual institution of the Russian faith - Orthodoxy! Remember how OUR FAITH responded in the most difficult historical times! Remember the painting "The Duel of Peresvet with Chelubey on the Kulikovo Field" (1943) - one of the most famous paintings by Mikhail Ivanovich Avilov. The canvas depicts the historical battle of the Russian hero Peresvet with the Tatar warrior Chelubey ... Where the fate of Russia was decided! And, if "drip" - where does the hero Peresvet come from? - this is the MONK, released to the army from St. Sergius at the request of the Grand Duke of Moscow ... !!! Hundreds of such historical moments, and lastly, remember with which icon (Mother of God) General Zhukov flew three times around Moscow, in the days of 1941 ...!.
    (old teacher)
    1. yak69
      yak69 30 March 2013 17: 18
      11
      Quote: WWW.budanov
      It is urgent to call on the only remaining INCORRIBLE in our state - the non-governmental spiritual institution of the Russian faith - Orthodoxy!

      Only for God's sake do not mix the Orthodox faith and the functionaries from the Russian Orthodox Church. All these kuraevs, chaplins and the like!

      Kvachkov about Cyril
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3YnLOL-MCM

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g37mqFHg69w&feature=related
      1. yak69
        yak69 30 March 2013 17: 41
        0
        [media = www.youtube.com / watch? v = hilHoQEbg2M]

        That is why Putin set his faithful dogs on Kvachkov.
      2. yak69
        yak69 30 March 2013 17: 47
        +3
        And here fans of kuraev and chaplin appeared on the forum --- minus quietly. At least openly answer me what I'm wrong about! Or do not have the courage ?!
        Or maybe you have nothing to say?
        1. Gregazov
          Gregazov 30 March 2013 19: 09
          +5
          There is something to say, although I haven’t set you a minus. You urge you to do everything together and at the same time tear off the shepherds from the flock. Say they are bad and unworthy.
          To this I can answer you that there is no such person who could live a life and not sin. All people are sinful, and I and you and the hierarchs of the Orthodox Church are the same people. They, too, may be mistaken in something. The question is different where and why do they lead their followers?
          As far as I understand you, this direction suits you. In this case, even if the Divine Service is performed by an unworthy priest, it is considered valid, because instead of it the Sacrament is performed by angels. And therefore, do not bleed the flock with the shepherds.
          1. yak69
            yak69 30 March 2013 19: 48
            +3
            Quote: GregAzov
            The sacrament is performed by angels. And therefore, do not bleed the flock with the shepherds.

            I admit that the Sacrament is performed by Angels. But where the hierarchs and their subordinate "apparatchiks" are leading, there are big questions. Among many, questions of ecumenism. This is one point.
            Second moment. We are all not without sin, and it’s true, BUT, just think about it, THE HIGHER HIERARCH SHOULD BE OBLIGED TO BE HOLY! After all, that’s exactly what they call him. And what is he holy ?! If he is the holiest of the flock, then you and I, dear, are no longer sinners, but demons who have fallen! Because, a pastor cannot be worse than his flocks.
            According to your logic, let anyone, if only the world and everyone follow it. Then what is this pseudo-world for? In order to lead us all to fiery hell ?! Indeed, the shepherd is the most holy example for the flock!
            No, dear, I personally don't need such a "peace"! Let this whole society declare me the worst enemy and a troublemaker, but I will not give up the COVENANTS for any "peace".
            And I will tell you one more story that happened to me on forgiveness Sunday. I came to the temple (between services), light candles, submit notes, just retire and remember my sins. I went up to the icon and stood there. Behind me, on a bench by the wall, are five old women sitting and one in a loud voice reads a newspaper article to her friends. And they loudly discuss this article. It became unpleasant in my soul. I turned and left, bending over to them quietly said: "Grandmothers, the reading room can be arranged in another place." I got a lightning-fast answer: "They forgot to ask you! Get out of here!" And all the merchants joined with similar wishes addressed to me.
            I silently stepped aside and stopped to calm down and still forgive them in my soul. A temple worker came up to me and said, "We can't do anything with them," and she asked me for forgiveness for them.
            So, I'm not on my way with such "Christians". As with their hierarchs.
            1. yak69
              yak69 30 March 2013 20: 08
              +2
              "You cannot serve two masters." Judge them according to their works. To call for holiness but in fact to do the opposite is to do a lie! And who is our father of lies ?!
              So do not engage in verbiage about the world and the good flock.
          2. bezumnyiPIT
            bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 43
            +1
            I beg your pardon for the immodest question, but the Shepherd did not come from the word "to shepherd"?
    2. Genur
      Genur 30 March 2013 23: 01
      +1
      Dribble or Dip? Too fundamental!
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 31 March 2013 01: 12
        +2
        Quote: GregAzov
        "... the hierarchs of the Orthodox Church are the same people. They, too, can be mistaken in something ..."


        I would like to know the opinion of the hierarchs of the Russian Orthodox Church on the Islamization of Russia.
        At the pace from Orthodoxy in 40 years only horns ... and legs will remain.
  15. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 30 March 2013 17: 13
    0
    It’s time to connect the special services. This is a direct diversion, the Dulles plan. The threat is worse than the military.
    1. yak69
      yak69 30 March 2013 18: 26
      +5
      Quote: We are from Tambov ...
      It’s time to connect the special services.

      So they have been connected for a long time, special services !! Full work! Since Khrushchev and Andropov times. laughing The main special is already in the Kremlin! hi
      1. Tambov we ...
        Tambov we ... 30 March 2013 22: 00
        0
        This is understandable about the current moment. But, in fact, it’s time to grab the eggs for a long time ... Something and about --- you can Russia. It will be worse than the 41st year, God forbid!
    2. arkady149
      arkady149 31 March 2013 09: 08
      +3
      Special Services, Speak? This is scary, in Soviet times, the KGB pulled the best specialists toward itself, and now ... Personal experience makes us part with optimism. The KGB was far from being served by angels, but hardly anyone could, even to himself, blame them for being poor. What is now in the era of nepotism and dynasty in the worst sense, is very common.
      In general, my bow to Mikhail Nikolayevich Zadornov for his efforts and for the fact that our site does not bypass the attention.
  16. zart_arn
    zart_arn 30 March 2013 17: 17
    -1
    I remember in the old days the church itself was engaged in the education of the people.
    It's time for the ROC to think about the people itself, in fact, this is the meaning of its existence. Unfortunately, the examples you have given characterize only the saying "Thunder will not break out .." and then.
    1. Yurievich
      Yurievich 30 March 2013 19: 41
      +5
      The Russian Orthodox Church thinks about the people in that vein: “How to drive more people into the church, and make them pray, so that there is no more time and brains left to think about, and even money from this people can be easily cut off.
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 31 March 2013 01: 16
        +2
        And who is opposed to the church taking part in the social life of the state?
        For example, to shelter all the poor and crippled children abandoned under their vaults, organize shelters for the homeless at their own expense, take care of the hopelessly sick, unload the fathers and mothers to care for typhoid and AIDS patients, comfort the hopeless cancer patients in the hospitals where they die, sometimes not getting proper, guaranteed
        state aid. At the same time explaining why this is happening in 21st century Russia.
        The field of work is enormous - the work that our awesomely stable state does not cope with at all.
        But for this you need to work a lot and hard. Roughly speaking, raking the Augean stables.
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 50
      +1
      Do not! we don’t need church education. otherwise our children will think that man did not come from primates, but was created from earth
  17. pavlo007
    pavlo007 30 March 2013 17: 21
    14
    Nothing is getting better. In technical universities a complete disaster. Most of all, he smiled at us when they raised our salary on the orders of the great PU - removed the average from the salary of the administration and their prostitutes from the administration. It turned out more than 40 thousand, and in fact 10 from the assistant professor and 14 from the professor. Now PU ordered to increase another two times, so they will transfer us to 0,5 rates with increasing load. As a result, there are two times less staff units, and a salary for the reporting nose is two times higher. About the equipment I generally keep quiet. Students come full morons, but it is impossible to expel them according to the oral order of the rector - for each there is funding, as a result, in the 5th year chemists do not all know what molecular mass is.
    90 percent of the teachers are senior citizens, on whom everything will end; I, a 40-year-old assistant professor, ski and plan to dump.
    Naturally, everything described does not apply to IT Universities and where the managers of the debilding are prepared. Everything is wonderful there and everything is in chocolate
    Thank you great BB, die only faster with Kabaeva and your Labrodor.

    PS Labrodor let him live, a little extra grabbed
    1. makarich26
      makarich26 30 March 2013 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: pavlo007
      breathe only faster with kabaeva

      Kabaeva what does the pretty girl?
  18. Prosto vovochka
    Prosto vovochka 30 March 2013 17: 51
    -4
    Quote: Old Warrant Officer
    Yes, and the Teachers tried to give the maximum! Almost forty years have passed, and I still remember with warmth my first Teacher - Anastasia Samoilovna Zadorozhnaya!

    And I remember my first teacher - Tatyana Lutaeva. S u to a was still that.
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 07: 53
      +1
      You shouldn’t be so rude
  19. Black
    Black 30 March 2013 17: 55
    -6
    A figurative chart on the level of education in Russia .....
    Disagreement torments me. What is it in 1920, when civil was still going on, and in 2012, one level?

    Site for collecting information ...
    Monitoring the level of education, zp teachers and technical staff, those. equipping institutions and organizations, financing, etc., is carried out on a special website as part of the KPMO.
    Why do men not go to pedagogy ?, what s.p. teachers on the periphery? - who doesn’t know? -that you need to write in a special site ???

    Does the satirist need excerpts from school essays and school jokes?

    I have already said, and I will repeat again. The school system has not lost its position in comparison with the Soviet system.
    It has improved in many areas. The USE should not be scolded indiscriminately. Who considers it a profanation - download the demos of the "C" level in mathematics - and try to decide, "c" in history - and try.
    The president yesterday essentially gave the task of reviving special schools.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 31 March 2013 10: 49
      +4
      Do not lose positions, say? This is especially evident when I have to explain to a young ELECTRICIAN what a three-phase current is and how to calculate the power in a three-phase load circuit
      but even this is not enough, some people just heard about Ohm’s law for the whole chain, and they don’t know about Kirchhoff’s laws AT ALL ..... And you tell me about the quality of education and what a wonderful thing for the Unified State Examination ...
      1. sleepy
        sleepy 31 March 2013 15: 14
        +4
        Not lost position, you say?
        Try to explain how to use the caliper.
        And they don’t know about the micrometer at all.
        But everyone knows how to press the buttons on smartphones.
        And they immediately demand money, or else they will leave for another job to look for, where it is simpler.
        1. Black
          Black 31 March 2013 19: 38
          -1
          Quote: sleepy
          Try to explain how to use the caliper.

          I AM? I can. Excuse me, why?
          Quote: sleepy
          And they don’t know about the micrometer at all.

          Are you talking about teaching technology? So in high school they did not teach to use this tool. Vocational schools and universities. Well, maybe on electives.

          But!!!! Now, parents can demand the introduction of any courses within the variable part of the program !!! I repeat !! _ any. Even use the synchrophasotron!

          And they immediately demand money, or else they will leave for another job to look for, where it is simpler.
          I don’t get it! Who are you talking about ????
          1. Raven1972
            Raven1972 31 March 2013 22: 53
            +2
            Quote: Chen
            And they immediately demand money, or else they will leave for another job to look for, where it is simpler.
            I don’t get it! Who are you talking about ????

            Well, actually about the "young specialists" .... He himself was a witness more than once .....
            Especially how they find out that it turns out we have to WORK, and not just get the money ...
            1. Black
              Black April 1 2013 00: 17
              +3
              I think this is not so much a matter of education. This education, and upbringing, and mentality, and IMPOSSIBILITY sometimes live on the proposed zp
              My son studied for 7 years. Traumatologist. Z.p. 12 thousand rubles. Can he survive without the help of his parents?
              And not looking for youth, where simpler! Looking for a job to exist. And plow is not sickly !!! (sorry for the bad manners)
              1. Raven1972
                Raven1972 April 2 2013 18: 19
                +1
                Don’t tell me, of course, I don’t speak for all young people, but it’s one thing to hang out in a connected or Euro-network working exclusively in the language and it’s completely different to work like a damn to earn the same 12000 ... If you work with the language it plows - then yes, of course it plows)) ))) Examples - a million, from my own experience, moreover .... A guy came to my shop, about 23x, came, looked what needs to be done and dumped, and a week later I met him in eset ... As my later told me the boss he heard from him the following phrase: And I thought you should screw in the bulbs ... And this happened more than once .... recourse
          2. sleepy
            sleepy April 1 2013 02: 43
            0
            Quote: Chen
            "I? I can. Oh, excuse me, why? ..
            Are you talking about teaching technology? So in high school they did not teach to use this tool. Vocational schools and universities.
            Well, maybe on electives ... "


            Totally agree !!!
            Why educate someone for free, even in the USSR they paid extra for this.
            But the technical colleges were converted into lyceums - it's a pity.
            Now they’re not teaching technology, but how to make money where it’s simpler and you don’t need measuring instruments when you have a laptop.
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 April 2 2013 18: 22
              0
              By the way, in vain))) I was taught to use the barbell and not only them at school, in labor lessons)))) hi Yes, and we had machines - turning, a pair of milling, drilling ... Sales I remember bolts for chairs, they sharpened it for their own school)))))
      2. Black
        Black 31 March 2013 19: 32
        +1
        Quote: Raven1972
        three-phase current and how to calculate the power in a three-phase load circuit
        but even this is not enough, some people just heard about Ohm’s law for the whole chain, and they don’t know about Kirchhoff’s laws AT ALL ..... And you tell me about the quality of education and what a wonderful thing for the Unified State Examination ...


        Respected! Power in a three-phase load circuit has never been part of a school physics program. In any case, from 1960 to 1990.

        Kihgof Laws - Higher Education Program. They were not at school either, only Ohm’s laws, circuit calculation based on only these laws.

        I have nothing to be accustomed to. I am responsible for the words. Unified State Exam in Physics, I see nothing wrong. Tasks of level "B" - imply a deep knowledge of theory and the ability to solve physical problems.
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 31 March 2013 22: 33
          0
          Yeah? And for some reason, I know this from the school physics course ... As well as about the active and reactive loads in the AC circuit .... So do not ...
          And I know about Kirchhoff’s laws from the same place)))) I didn’t finish university, for that matter ... And I studied in high school from 79 to 89 g, don't you find it strange? You didn’t have it in the program, but did we have it? And Ohm’s law for the complete circuit was also given to us at school, and the principle of operation of the transistor and the P / P diode, and the beginning of electro-vacuum devices ....
          The strange program we get was at school))))
          1. Black
            Black April 1 2013 00: 22
            +1
            Quote: Raven1972
            .... So do not ...


            I am a teacher in physics.
            And everything else is still in the program. (Ohm’s law for the complete circuit was also given to us at school, and the principle of the transistor and the P / P diode, and the beginning of electro-vacuum devices ...)
            Furthermore. There is much more in a specialized textbook than in "Myakishev", according to which you taught physics in the 80s.
            Kirchhoff's laws could only be taught in elective, or you had a highly advanced teacher, and this is his initiative. We are talking about the program.

            The program in physics, chemistry, mathematics has not become worse. There is a multilevel, there is a choice of a textbook, there is everything, the students would have a desire ... And here is a question !!! From our class, three boys dreamed of MIPT, or the Physics Department of Moscow State University. Now it is extremely rare !!!! The country was not needed Alferov and Perelman.
            1. Raven1972
              Raven1972 April 1 2013 10: 25
              0
              Quote: Chen
              From our class, three boys dreamed of MIPT, or the Physics Department of Moscow State University. Now it is extremely rare !!!! No need for the country Alferov and Perelman

              That’s probably the worst thing ((((And from my class 2e they entered the Moscow Institute of Physics and Technology and finished it .... Right now, the truth is, I was completely lost with my classmates, I practically don’t see anyone ((((((And the rest mostly went to military schools , and this was a deliberate desire .... Another comrade graduated from Bauman Moscow State Technical University, a branch in my city ....
              But I still do not agree with the exam, the exam — especially the oral one, gives you the ability to clearly articulate and express your thoughts .... On top of that, last year my neighbor entered the same Bauman and he passed the exam, like in the old Soviet times, he said that in the exam more than half of those who passed the exam were eliminated well and well .... They simply were not able to solve something that did not fit into the framework of the exam
              1. Black
                Black April 1 2013 10: 51
                0
                Quote: Raven1972
                But I still do not agree with the exam, the exam - especially the oral one, in addition to everything, gives you the ability to clearly formulate and express your thoughts

                Here you are right. There is one more "touch". There was a lot of interactivity in the lesson. Young teachers began to show a lot - through a computer and a projector (experiments, demonstrations ...) This is horror! Physics, chemistry "without hands" - like beer without vodka!
                1. Raven1972
                  Raven1972 April 2 2013 18: 09
                  0
                  I agree with you - computer demonstrations are a complete PPC !!!!!! Recall how before laboratory work was done in physics or chemistry? Do it yourself !!! You’ll try it yourself when - it actually gets better .... And you don’t have to take anything on faith in this case (well, except nuclear physics, of course laughing )
                  And on the computer screen - it’s somehow not really in fact, because you can even depict what is really NOT ..... And to fake any document in electronic form by issuing a half-truth or an outright lie as the truth ...
  20. OTAKE
    OTAKE 30 March 2013 17: 55
    -5
    http: // www.yaplakal.com/forum2/topic558043.html I would have been such a teacher, an excellent student! )
  21. Orik
    Orik 30 March 2013 18: 21
    +4
    "Thank you" to Putin for this ...
  22. SPACE
    SPACE 30 March 2013 18: 29
    10
    As one professor said; Who knows and knows how he works, who does not, but knows how to teach, and who does not know and does not know how to manage.
    Education is ruining money. Everyone hit the business, and the business knows no conventions, no morality, no conscience, no honor. Education should be completely public and free. All educational institutions, neither schools nor universities should be legal entities and should not, have no relation whatsoever to money, should be engaged in their direct duties. Direct management of an educational institution should be elected with the approval of the highest authority. All decisions and orders, including teaching methods, textbooks and programs, must come from a single ministry and one for all. The ministry itself should have an elected academic council of the best teachers from all educational institutions of the country, with the right to decide. The learning process should be tough, admission to an educational institution can be done on the basis of the Unified State Exam, but between courses and graduation, only state exams are in full compliance as was the case in the USSR, in the case of failure to pass deductions or the second year without an amnesty. Commercial education can be allowed, but all commercial educational institutions should not have or be state affiliates. Commercial institutions may issue certificates of completion, but not diplomas. To obtain diplomas, graduates of commercial institutions will have to pass an exam in the established state model and only in public institutions. All teachers must pass certification every year, take exams for prof. suitability. To all teachers of all state. Institutions from school to university should be raised salaries at a level of at least 1000 euros per month. In pedagogical state. state institutions control should be even tougher, and salaries even higher. ... All other distortions will gradually disappear, after some time ...
    1. Gregazov
      Gregazov 30 March 2013 19: 27
      +6
      All that you wrote correctly. However, first of all, it is necessary to raise the prestige of the teacher so that people would strive to take this position. Currently, more and more less educated people tend to work part time (namely, part time work) on the problems of the school as tutors. You won’t lure them into the school itself, because the teacher is a whipping boy and everyone from parents to the director and commissions uses it. The teacher is so powerless and obliged to everyone that only those who cannot work anywhere else go to work there.
    2. Yurievich
      Yurievich 30 March 2013 19: 54
      +1
      I fully support.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 31 March 2013 15: 22
      +2
      Quote: SPACE
      The learning process should be tough, admission to an educational institution can be done on the basis of the exam

      The very principle of constructing the exam is focused on blunt cramming. You can also make a starling with a parrot if you wish. But will they be able to apply the stated knowledge? The main objective of the university in the days of the USSR was to instill the skills of INDEPENDENTly obtaining new knowledge, analyzing it and working with them. And what side is the USE here as a criterion for selecting applicants?
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 31 March 2013 15: 53
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        And what side is the USE here as a criterion for selecting applicants?

        Do not confuse admission process with graduation. We are talking about compulsory education, where it is necessary to give everyone a chance to enter, "even a starling with a parrot." The subsequent learning process should separate and identify, through both the training itself and the annual examinations, who is capable of what, who is next, and who is not, including the final stage, passing the state. exams. The passing of exams must have both written and oral elements.
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 31 March 2013 16: 24
          +1
          Quote: SPACE
          We are talking about compulsory education, where it is necessary to give everyone a chance to enter, "even a starling with a parrot"

          That is, you propose to enroll everyone, and then weed out? Or produce passing exams "for cash," stimulating corruption? IMHO exactly exam when entering a university just is not needed, there is too much from the lottery. Must be job interview on a profile specialty. It is in order to identify the skills of the entrant to think, use previously acquired knowledge and combine them with each other to obtain a result. This is exactly what IT will give a chance for further study for those who, for various reasons, might not have received a comprehensive amount of knowledge from the results of compulsory education.
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 31 March 2013 17: 55
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            That is, you propose to enroll everyone, and then weed out?

            Yes, for absenteeism, for poor progress ....
            Quote: Misantrop
            Or produce passing exams "for cash," stimulating corruption?

            No, passing exams only in the presence of the commission is difficult to buy everyone and you can’t think that all are bribe takers.
            Quote: Misantrop
            There should be an interview in a specialized specialty. It is with the aim of identifying the ability of the incoming to think, use the knowledge gained earlier and combine them with each other to obtain a result

            It can also be corrupt.
            In general, the process of personality formation and preferences is a long process, which begins with the education of the home, school, university, etc. Do you offer to accept in the first grade only those who can already read and write, think?
            Quote: Misantrop
            This is exactly what IT will give a chance for further study for those who, for various reasons, might not have received a comprehensive amount of knowledge from the results of compulsory education.

            We differently understand the USE, I don’t think this is a big obstacle, the formality is nothing more, I think the school final exam is more important, which should give a ticket further.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 31 March 2013 20: 32
              0
              Quote: SPACE
              In general, the process of personality formation and preferences is a long process, which begins with the education of the home, school, university, etc. Do you offer to accept in the first grade only those who can already read and write, think?
              Actually, it is harmless to think to anyone, at any age. And it's not too early for anyone. But here, if I'm not mistaken, it was about HIGHER education. Otherwise, we will end up with a "teacher with a diploma" like most Western graduates. Perhaps deeply rooted in his topic, but absolutely helpless even in related fields
              1. SPACE
                SPACE 31 March 2013 22: 20
                +1
                Quote: Misantrop
                Actually, thinking is not harmful to anyone, at any age. And no one is early.

                Of course, you need to think, but that was not the point. If we take into account the fact that compulsory education is a state task, and therefore universal, then we cannot divide people into smart and unwise at the beginning of the learning process. People can be different, but the starting opportunities for everyone should be the same, both when entering school and at a university, and also have equal access to knowledge.
                Quote: Misantrop
                But here, if I’m not mistaken, it was a question of HIGHER education.

                No, this is a continuous learning process, from school to university, and if a person graduated from school, passed the exams, he has every right to enter any university and should not be required to enter beyond what the school has given. But further training should not only reveal talents and opportunities, but also generate them. Which in turn depends on: in importance: 1. Teachers. 2. Methodological base. 3. Learner's efforts.
            2. sleepy
              sleepy April 1 2013 02: 50
              +1
              Quote: Misantrop
              "That is, you propose to enroll everyone, and then weed out?"
              .

              I read somewhere that anyone can get into the Sorbonne, knowledge of the French language is enough
              and find suitable housing nearby.
              And fly out of the Sorbonne even faster for poor performance, absenteeism, disrespectful behavior and the like.
  23. Gregazov
    Gregazov 30 March 2013 19: 18
    13
    As a schoolboy in the seventies, he read an American magazine published for some exhibition in the USSR "Education in America" ​​and with his weak mind of a senior pupil concluded that they teach in America. Then he found confirmation of his thoughts in the press in the 80s and 90s. Zero concepts of American schoolchildren in geography, history, physics were cited as examples of moronicism.
    I have four children. Seniors are already graduating from universities this year. Signs of debilitation of our school I noticed even on older daughters. Secondary is now in fifth grade. To my horror, I saw on her example everything that we laughed at in the education of America. With all this, my daughter is an excellent student.
  24. Yurievich
    Yurievich 30 March 2013 19: 35
    +9
    Following an old Soviet habit, I read in my free time. Books! Artistic! I go to the few remaining bookstores for new books. By the way, there are far fewer of them in Tyumen than shops selling cars. So there are almost no buyers in bookstores. The people stopped reading. Didn't you teach at school? Not interested? Are the books expensive? Young people seem to read nothing except "Odnoklassniki" and "Vkontakte". Where do you get competent speech, outlook, erudition? From E.G. whether? I believe that E.G. was specially launched with the aim of the final collapse of education and fooling young people, because it is easier to deceive and rob the stupid, illiterate.
    1. elmi
      elmi 30 March 2013 21: 19
      +3
      Quote: Yuryevich
      So in bookstores there are almost no buyers.

      Now many people download books from neta and read on electronic books. In bookstores, books are expensive, but with neta for free, an e-book pays off quickly.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 31 March 2013 16: 43
        +1
        Quote: elmi
        Now many people download books from neta and read on electronic books.
        Books are extremely expensive now, especially good ones. Therefore, download from an Internet, and buy paper only those that really liked and have a desire to re-read. And there are 3 electronic books in the family. And do not wallow
        1. elmi
          elmi April 4 2013 12: 57
          +4
          I already have a second book. The e-book is paying off. The main thing is not to be confused with e-books with luminous screens - their eyes get tired. But with e-link technology, electronic ink is much better - on the contrary, vision does not deteriorate, you increase the font for different sizes. I also buy some paper books, but very rarely.
  25. Loki77
    Loki77 30 March 2013 20: 37
    10
    In the well-known plan of "Ost" for the conquest of the Slavic peoples, it was practically the same - "The Slavs must have a minimum literacy ... No education, no vaccinations ... ... only tobacco and alcohol!" (A. Hitler). What do we see? "Dom-2", cocktail "Jaguar", freedom of Bolotnaya Square, concerts of all sorts of "lady gags", "in contact" ..... This is purposeful work, and now you can see its fruits, as Zadornov says. What will be next?
  26. Loki77
    Loki77 30 March 2013 20: 53
    +3
    Quote: WWW.budanov
    And, if "drip" - where did the hero Peresvet come from? - this is the MONK, released to the army from St. Sergius at the request of the Grand Duke of Moscow ... !!!

    More precisely, the monk is a student. And, by the way, Nikita Kozhemyak, about whom fairy tales developed, was also a pupil of Sergius of Radonezh.
  27. makarich26
    makarich26 30 March 2013 21: 20
    +5
    Quote: sams
    Because the essence of their policy is anti-people.

    And, interestingly, Putin personally is not to blame for anything !!!
  28. Skavron
    Skavron 30 March 2013 21: 23
    12
    You can throw stones at me ... Soviet education had many drawbacks, but despite its drawbacks, it was able to cook:
    - a diverse personality
    high-class specialists
    -Special emphasis was placed on techies ... it’s techies that we now lack
    -Trained people to work since childhood
    IMHO
    1. Loki77
      Loki77 30 March 2013 21: 38
      +9
      It had almost no cons. Take the same Cuba - how many Cuban students studied at the Soviet medical institutes? Now one of the best FREE medical supplies in the world in Cuba!
    2. Zubr
      30 March 2013 22: 33
      +3
      That's right, you said "- versatile personality."
      Indeed, in essence, education provides basic theoretical skills based on fundamental, valid scientific theory. And in the future it provides the basis for self-education! And having come to production, we begin to storm the practical part, based on theoretical knowledge. Yes, there was a very big problem with practical experience during the student days on a point even with the union. Only 20% of study time! Now he is not at all!
      1. Task number - 0 Save the Soviet engineering school.
      2. Task number -1 Expand practical training in factories, laboratories, etc. up to 50% of study time or at least return those 20% of Soviet.
      3. To oblige the heads of enterprises at the level of the government of the Russian Federation (to legitimize), to direct students to practice.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 31 March 2013 16: 46
        0
        Some universities in the Soviet Union gave quite decent practical training, but there were frankly few of them. And now I haven’t heard about them at all ...
  29. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 30 March 2013 21: 54
    +2
    You do not correctly understand the policy of the party and government in the modern Russian Federation! The actions of the leadership of the Russian Federation are based on a simple truth - idiots are easier to manage! Hence, the reforms that serve to reduce the general educational level of the population, the basis of which is the division of the citizens of the Russian Federation into "elite" and "byd * o" to serve this "elite"!
  30. Vorchun
    Vorchun 30 March 2013 21: 59
    +2
    S. Mikhalkov said: - "... Today children - tomorrow people ...". So what kind of people will be, thanks to the ministries of culture, health, education and others, we can see today.
  31. Uhalus
    Uhalus 30 March 2013 22: 16
    0
    Site address - in the studio!
    1. Zubr
      30 March 2013 23: 08
      +1
      Quote: Uhalus
      Site address - in the studio!


      The article is located here: http://zadornov.net/?p=1268#more-1268
      there is also a link, "send a letter"
  32. 1goose3
    1goose3 30 March 2013 22: 30
    +2
    Quote: Yuryevich
    So in bookstores there are almost no buyers. The people stopped reading.


    Sorry dear, you are wrong, and therefore minus. By an old habit, I also read, buy books, though less, I am addicted to electronic versions. But the reading public did not become smaller, there were fewer bookstores, but modern bookstores are not a couple of tiny Soviet ones, of which there were more. I am not opposed to the Soviet one, on the contrary, in many times it was more comfortable for me in those days and to be honest it is nostalgia.
    I assure the bookstores would have closed all long ago if it had been unprofitable. They do not close, which means there is demand. And young people are different in terms of erudition, outlook and competent speech, although in general it has become much worse on these issues.
    Everything is fixable, I hope. But to blame the current generation is wrong in the root, our generation has passed through a country like the Soviet Union, created the current situation, and now it is crying ....
    Zadornov is right to correct the matter, including as he suggests.
  33. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 30 March 2013 23: 11
    +5
    Yes-ah! And with the "advice", graduates of the Suvorov schools always had knowledge almost an order of magnitude higher than the graduates of an ordinary high school! [/ Quote]
    Even now they have an order of magnitude larger than a regular high school, only the level of the school itself has fallen dramatically! They are mainly taught in the humanities at the school: social studies, history, they study two languages ​​- English and China! But physics, chemistry is already so-so, the Russian language and especially literature in general are very bad! I have read books since the third grade - now have you noticed a lot of young people with a book in their hands? With an earring in his ear, with a ring in his nose, with headphones, often, but with a book - no one is visible at all! And 25 years ago they read both in a tram and in the subway, they got on the train - the first thing was the chicken and the book next, so we were the most educated. It seems to me that now the main emphasis in training should be placed on the development of technical areas - there are too many lawyers, economists and accountants!
  34. fenix57
    fenix57 31 March 2013 07: 30
    0
    Quote: vezunchik
    Who is the head of state?

    Let me ask; - but in Russia, that the post of prime minister has already been abolished .....? Why didn’t the question arise - where is the head of government ...
  35. Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 March 2013 07: 45
    +2
    Throw on my own. Now I work as a purchaser in a small company. Trading company. Before working there, I thought that I was very bad with the Russian language. Why the hell is there, as it turned out. Such pearls in applications come from buyers and sellers that they would like to hammer the dictionary of the Russian language in opa to the very root. On the one hand it’s funny, on the other hand despair. Indeed, in fact, in the country of merchants, literacy does not need nafig. What's the difference. what is written on the price tag, cookies or biscuits ... Anyway, they will come and buy. Some literate consumers buy, others sell. That’s the whole country, in fact. Because as a merchant-nat. country symbol. And before the worker and the collective farmer, Gagarin ... And it is useless to teach something. Because as without this, you can get along pretty well in life.
  36. Pashhenko Nikolay
    Pashhenko Nikolay 31 March 2013 08: 44
    +3
    Quote: WWW.budanov
    It is urgently necessary to call on the only remaining INCORRECTED in our state - the non-state spiritual institution of the Russian faith - Orthodoxy! Remember how OUR FAITH responded in the most difficult historical times! Remember the painting "The Duel of Peresvet with Chelubey on the Kulikovo Field" (1943) - one of the most famous paintings by Mikhail Ivanovich Avilov. The canvas depicts the historical battle of the Russian hero Peresvet with the Tatar warrior Chelubey ... Where the fate of Russia was decided! And, if "drip" - where does the hero Peresvet come from? - this is the MONK, released to the army from St. Sergius at the request of the Grand Duke of Moscow ... !!! Hundreds of such historical moments, and lastly, remember with which icon (Mother of God) General Zhukov flew three times around Moscow, in the days of 1941 ...!.
    (old teacher)
    It is interesting that this person took the nickname of the one whom the GDP and his power had betrayed.
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 31 March 2013 11: 22
      +3
      Quote: Pashhenko Nikolay
      Hundreds of such historical moments, and the last, remember with what icon (Our Lady) General Zhukov circled around Moscow three times, in the days of 1941 ...!.
      (old teacher)

      I was especially touched by this nonsense)))) The courage and stamina of the RUSSIAN SOLDIER and MILITARY rescued Moscow, and not some kind of icon .....
      PS I apologize that the quote as if yours turned out (((((
  37. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 09: 33
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    zart_arn Yesterday, 17:17
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    I remember in the old days the church itself was engaged in the education of the people.
    It’s time for the ROC to think about the people themselves,
    Watch such TV channels as 13, 60 and 2 more channels (!) - and see how our Orthodoxy Breathes and LIVES with our people ...








    I remember that in the old days the church itself was engaged in the education of the people. It would be time for the ROC to think about the people themselves, [/ quote]
  38. WWW.budanov
    WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 09: 52
    +1
    Quote: zart_arn
    I remember in the old days the church itself was engaged in the education of the people.
    It's time for the ROC to think about the people itself, in fact, this is the meaning of its existence. Unfortunately, the examples you have given characterize only the saying "Thunder will not break out .." and then.

    Unfortunately you don't have satellite TV (?). When it appears, browse channels such as # # 13 ... (and three more). MAKE SURE ORTHODOX broadcasts from all Russian cities and the world are carried out spiritually and peacefully. And without any advertisements and shows ...! YES, by the way, about the "ROC" - nowhere and never. She never "knocked herself on the chest", was not advertised and did NOT pull herself "neither by the collar or by the ears" ..........
    1. Raven1972
      Raven1972 31 March 2013 11: 35
      +2
      Quote: WWW.budanov
      Unfortunately you do not have satellite TV (?). When appears, browse through channels such as # 13 ... (and three more). CONFIRM how spiritually and peacefully the ORTHODOX transmissions from all Russian cities and the world pass.

      And how many educational programs on these channels? Dedicated to the study of God's law, but at least to the natural sciences? None !!!! What else can we talk about in this case?
      1. Black
        Black April 1 2013 00: 47
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        Quote: Raven1972
        Dedicated to the study of God's law, but at least to the natural sciences? None !!!!

        Well, not really, I apologize for interfering.
        Satellite TV provides quite good opportunities.
        365 days. nano-tv, television travel, world, children’s world, the first channel-World History and there are probably more.
        I know that they are launching an educational channel.
        In addition, an Internet field for an inquiring mind is a storehouse !!!!
        1. Raven1972
          Raven1972 April 1 2013 11: 13
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          Nooooo, here the conversation is for the Orthodox channels)))) And the presence of educational programs on them))) Dedicated to other sciences except the law of God .. The conversation is about the participation of the Russian Orthodox Church in education like TsPSh ....
          hi
          And so yes, I agree, on satellite or digital TV everything is enough ...
    2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 14: 26
      +4
      My youngest goes to the 5th grade, last year almost all parents wrote a questionnaire were against teaching the basics of the Christian faith, almost all chose secular ethics, some Islam, and from the beginning of the year they began to teach the basics of Christianity, the children have a mess in their heads, according to They say to the "world around" that man came about as a result of evolution, and according to the "fundamentals" that God created, although the parents were against it, it turns out that children are taught obscurantism by force, it's good that I was educated in the Union (both secondary and higher) and then children in general, they would be stupid ...... A person must accept Faith himself. Voluntarily and not under Cossack whips, our great-grandfathers have already passed it with respect ...
      1. Raven1972
        Raven1972 31 March 2013 17: 34
        +3
        5 +++++ to you ... good And after that, some citizens are trying to convince us that the ROC "is not imposed" and does not pull "by the collar" ...
  39. Dante Alighieri
    Dante Alighieri 31 March 2013 10: 04
    10
    4 years ago I took the Unified State Exam, before that I already had victories in city olympiads in history in my luggage, and I always won prizes, twice I was the undisputed winner. While still at school I read the works of Kostomarov, Klyuchevsky, Karamzin, and even got to the bottom of Machiavelli's "Sovereign". As a result: 66 points on the exam. I went to the appeal, first looked through the work with the class teacher (she kept the history), came to the conclusion that they "withheld" at least 15 points from me. You should have seen this appeal commission: they literally tremble for their place, afraid to admit that the results were incorrect. It reached the point of absurdity: "if they wrote instead of the USSR, the communist regime would give you one more point." My classmate still managed to snatch a well-deserved mark in one question, after which she was minus this ill-fated score in another. Particularly surprised by the presence of pre-prepared answers in part C (who does not know this point implies a detailed answer to the question posed) and this in a purely humanitarian science, providing for a pluralism of views and approaches, not to mention methods. As a result: “if you have any complaints, write to Moscow,” read: we are servants here, what they say from above, we do it. And this is happening everywhere.
    Now I’m studying at a university, not an excellent student, but I don’t have triples even though I don’t remember when I last opened the history textbook, although the specialty provides for a huge number of hours on this subject (still my teachers, despite my youth, turned out to be very competent , and the seed of knowledge, you see, fell into fertile soil). But in fact, my ministry of education rejected me ........ So I have no illusions about the system that has developed in our last decade, it is absolutely necessary to radically change the state's course in the field of educating the younger generation. Let us recall Japan (although I am a supporter of the original path of development, all the same, foreign experience must be taken into account, especially productive), it owes its current position over a technological country, first of all, to the introduction of universal compulsory and free higher education. We draw conclusions, comrades.
    1. WWW.budanov
      WWW.budanov 31 March 2013 10: 29
      +4
      My dear student! In my opinion, YOU have now opened your eyes wider to us (the debaters) to the most important thing "in the orchestra" - the small violin, as the only SOLO! Thank you, and when I leave (reluctantly) my educational institution - with pleasure, I will leave you my place !!! WAITING !!!
      (old representative)
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 31 March 2013 10: 49
        +3
        Thank you heartily, but I don’t need someone else's, for sure there are people more worthy than me. We will live according to Nietzsche's principle: "Everything that does not kill us makes us stronger."
  40. valokordin
    valokordin 31 March 2013 11: 22
    +1
    Livanov's stake, and the one who put him to hang
  41. Selevc
    Selevc 31 March 2013 11: 39
    +3
    In the CIS space for 20 years of "reforming" a generation of young people has grown up who write with mistakes in every second word - that is, they actually do not know how to write !!! These are people far from education and science and who do not know elementary truths - for example, who is Copernicus and what is he famous for or what novels Leo Tolstoy wrote !!!

    Such a generation of tamagotchi and ninja turtles has grown up for itself - they are well versed in the latest models of mobile phones and computers but can hardly be multiplied without a calculator !!! :)))

    Who is to blame? Of course, adults are to blame (especially those who are related to the education system) - who were never able to properly educate their own generation of children ...
    For such reforms, it is high time to go to prison for many years - those who committed such an outrage in their time - but there are specific responsible persons !!!
  42. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 31 March 2013 12: 22
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    One thing can be said: the appointment of Livanov as minister is unsuccessful, the same tyrannical show-brute like Serdyukov. The odious figures Medvedev, Medinsky and Mutko / three "M" / remained in the government.
  43. zart_arn
    zart_arn 31 March 2013 13: 51
    +3
    Quote: avensis
    "strange statistics during Putin's rule."
    All because of him, because of Putin! He also eats children

    What can I say, of course, he doesn’t eat children, but such fundamental areas as defense, education, healthcare should be constantly monitored by the head of state.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 31 March 2013 15: 43
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      Quote: avensis
      "... strange statistics during Putin's rule."
      All because of him, because of Putin! And he also eats children ... "
      .

      He certainly doesn’t eat children. But recently, they have been writing about large child mortality between the ages of 6 months and 2 years.
      They even gave it a name. Many blame childhood vaccinations for this, and when discussing this topic, they ask:
      "Do you have doctors on this site? What can you say about this?"
      However, how should he know that the people are worried? Otherwise, I would make an appeal and explain everything to the gullible.

      The terrible truth about vaccinations.
      http://vk.com/topic-19732513_23458410

      "In April 1991, the Supreme Soviet of the Russian Federation adopted the law" On the sanitary and epidemiological welfare of the population. "
      The law was enacted by your decree, your signature is worth it. However, article 24, paragraph 5 of this law “On Compulsory Vaccinations” was adopted hastily, without preliminary discussion in the press, and many specialists, primarily immunologists, genetics, etc., were deprived of the opportunity to express their opinion.
      The deputies who voted for total vaccination coverage apparently do not know about the strategy and methodology of immunization in other countries, as well as about the composition of some domestic vaccines intended for the system of “universal coverage” (in the words of domestic vaccinators) of the children’s population of our country.
      Reasonable, competent objections of other deputies were not taken into account.
      Meanwhile, all modifications of the domestic vaccine against pertussis, diphtheria and tetanus (DTP, DTP-M, DTP-M, AD) contain formaldehyde and mercury salt - merthiolate (the latter with a warning from firms “not for drugs”)
      pesticides in well-defined quantities that are hazardous to an adult.
      And such a "vaccine" is injected into infants three times in the first six months of life ... "
      http://privivke.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=467:260313-&cat

      id = 38: news

      "Ask the doctor to explain to you exactly what scientific facts he bases his recommendation to complete the course of vaccinations, and you will see for yourself that this is an ordinary scarecrow, the only purpose of which is not to wash, so to impose the vaccination by rolling
      for the sake of the notorious "vaccine coverage", for failure to achieve which the higher authorities ask the pediatrician ... "
      http://vk.com/antiprivivki
  44. AleksUkr
    AleksUkr 31 March 2013 17: 32
    +3
    Today, many say that when applying for work, young people politely ask the question: “How much will I get?” But no one asks: “What will I work with?”

    I will ADD that the students who are going to enter military schools as the first question raise the question of the SOCIAL PACKAGE. Not about the conditions of service, not about the required exam, but about how much they will receive, after how many years they MUST give them an apartment, the amount of a pension and other good of civilization, without which they wouldn’t want to do anything. They are often outraged that after graduation they will not be able, for the most part, to serve in their city, near their mother. And they must serve for at least 5 years after graduation, because otherwise they will be obliged to compensate the state for the cost of training. But at the same time, the cat burst into tears of knowledge in general subjects. I generally am silent about geography. In a word, we have what we have ...

    Students have no motivation. "Students do not want to learn!" - we hear from teachers and parents. And one cannot disagree with this. In this system, students should not want to study! Their goal is to get good grades and a certificate. For this, the student has easier ways than spending time studying and spoiling his eyes behind books.
    The school administration is also not motivated to ensure the quality of knowledge. The main thing for them is to provide standard conditions for the educational process (conducting lessons, attendance, reporting, material resources) and average grades (so as not to be scolded at meetings). They should provide a process, not a result.
  45. ranit
    ranit 31 March 2013 17: 33
    +3
    I want to the USSR. I want it all said. Who wants to argue with that? I’m a scoop, although I’m only 36. I see how young people are growing. And I don’t notice anything good.
  46. AlNick
    AlNick 31 March 2013 17: 52
    +1
    How they all twisted:
    Dmitry Viktorovich Livanov - Russian statesman, scientist, theoretical physicist. Minister of Education and Science of the Russian Federation since May 21, 2012. Doctor of physico-mathematical sciences, professor.

    Son of Livanov Viktor Vladimirovich - General Director of the S.V. Aviation Complex Ilyushin, laureate of the State Prize of Russia, Doctor of Economics and Filippova (Rogozina) Tatyana Olegovna, Doctor of Economics. And accordingly, Rogozin’s nephew, Dmitry Olegovich, a Russian politician, statesman, organizer of the defense industry and military science, diplomat, doctor of philosophical sciences.

    And for all his level of education, he swears like a shoemaker:
    "What are you ... ate! Look at me ..."
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIkrPQGH7Vw&feature=endscreen&NR=1
  47. Belogor
    Belogor 31 March 2013 17: 57
    +1
    No matter where anyone writes, but in the comments of users, GDP is not without mentioning. Even if in some cases he is not involved at all.
  48. matross
    matross 31 March 2013 18: 49
    +1
    Quote: AleksUkr
    About geography, I generally keep quiet

    Recently, his wife was recruiting travel sales managers for the travel agency’s new office. Advertised on the Internet - a total of about 20 candidates came, all with a higher (modern) education, some even with a profile, but without experience in the industry. The first question to everyone - what kind of seas is washed by Turkey - no one knew !! The second - show Turkey on the map - could show one! I had to take her to work)) A specialist of rare qualifications)) I myself would not have encountered this - I would not have believed it.
  49. qube4
    qube4 31 March 2013 19: 07
    +1
    But the fact that it’s easy to correct the illiterate is utter nonsense ... what did you get? who said that? The ignoramuses are very difficult to manage, they don’t understand anything, this is the most vulnerable category, which is easiest to set up against the government. Most often, it is they who become victims of the information war, he himself saw and communicated with such ones, it is simply impossible to convince them of something ...
  50. DimychDV
    DimychDV April 1 2013 04: 20
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    Anecdote:
    - There will be no further examination; all tickets have been sold!