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Remembering the story. Brutal europe

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The English “queen-virgin” Elizabeth I cut off the head not only of Mary Stuart, she also executed 89 thousands of her subjects. Unlike her contemporary Ivan the Terrible, who called her a “vulgar girl,” Elizabeth (whose mother, Anna Boleyn, by the way, was also decapitated) did not repent of her actions either publicly or secretly, who were killed in the Synodica, did not write money for the eternal commemoration in the monasteries did not send. European monarchs had no such habit at all.


You will be in London - buy a ticket for a sightseeing tour of the city center in an open double-decker bus. There are headphones, you can listen to explanations in different languages, including Russian. At Hyde Park you will hear that where the “corner of the speaker” is now, there was a place of execution. The executions have been London’s main public entertainment for centuries. The main gallows was an ingenious swivel structure: there, on unevenly high beams, there were 23 hinges, so it might have resembled the English something - either a Christmas tree with decorations, or something else. She had a more neutral name - “Derrick's car”, by the name of the most honored of the local executioners, there was even a saying “reliable, like Derrick's car”.

Remembering the story. Brutal europe

Where now Paddington station, there was another notable gallows, arranged, unlike the previous one, without any footsteps: three pillars, three crossbars, eight loops on the crossbar, so that it was possible to hang 24 people at once - one more than "Derrick". London’s historian Peter Aroyd lists from a dozen more famous places of execution, adding that often the gallows were simply at nameless intersections. And they worked without downtime, there was no underload. From time to time there was a crush in the crowd of spectators, the number of trampled to death once (at the beginning of the XIX century) reached twenty-eight.

Cruelty as a natural disaster

The Moscow publishing house Ad Marginem released in 1999 a translation of Michel Foucault's work “To Supervise and Punish” (by the way, another skinning is on the cover), containing quite a few quotations from regulations on executions and public torture in various European countries until the middle of the last century. European entertainers have used quite a bit of fantasy to make the executions not only extremely long and painful, but also spectacular - one of the chapters in Foucault’s book is entitled “Glitter Executions”. Reading is not for the impressionable.

Cruelty was generated by the constant devastating wars of the Western European powers after the Middle Ages (which were even more ruthless). Thirty-year war in the XVII century claimed half of the population of Germany and either 60, or 80 percent - historians argue - the population of its southern part. The Pope even temporarily allowed polygamy in order to restore the national population. The pacification of Cromwell Ireland cost her a 5 / 6 population. Ireland has never recovered from this blow. As for Russia, it has been on its territory for almost seven centuries, between Batu and Lenin, did not know such blood-lettings and was not familiar with such unbridled ferocity of manners.

Sorry, but I have to say a nasty thing: история Western civilization does not tune in to enormous optimism - its practice was so bloody and brutal. And not only in the distant past - in the recent twentieth century, too. In terms of bloodshed and atrocities, the twentieth century has surpassed any past. By and large, there is no guarantee that this civilization will not return to its usual practice. This is a much, much more serious question than our West-loving countrymen used to think. Knowing what we know about Western civilization (of which Hitler was a part), it is hard not to say: its narcissism looks rather strange.

Sounds unexpected? Then I will quote one of the most prominent historians of our time, Oxford professor Norman Davis: “Everyone agrees that the crimes of the West in the twentieth century undermined the moral basis of his claims, including his past claims”.


According to the calculations of the historian R. G. Skrynnikov, an expert on the era of Ivan the Terrible, the king was innocently executed and killed from 3 to 4 thousands of people. Skrynnikov insists that we are dealing with nothing more than mass terror, especially towards Novgorod, and it is difficult to disagree with him, although Ivan the Terrible is a meek child next to Louis XI nicknamed Spider, Richard III (whom Shakespeare described as "The most disgusting monster of tyranny"), by Henry VIII, Philip II, Jacob I Stewart, Duke of Alba, Cesare Borgia, Catherine de Medici, Karl Evil (without number), Charles V (son of Juana Mad), Charles IX (who organized St. Bartholomew's Night) Mary of the Blood, Lord Protector Cromwell and Mas nd other European cute characters ...

But I will continue the examples. Crusaders during the Albiguian wars massacred more than half of the population of southern France. The Prussian suppressor, Grand Master of the Order of the Crusaders, Conrad Wallenrod, angry at the Bishop of Courland, ordered the right hands to be cut off by all the peasants of his bishopric. And it was fulfilled! 16 February 1568 of the year (the time of the oprichnina Ivan the Terrible's height) the Holy Inquisition condemned to death (!) The inhabitants of the Netherlands as heretics, and the Spanish king Philip II ordered the execution of the sentence. This was not entirely successful, but the royal army did what it could. In Haarlem alone, thousands of 20 people were killed, and only in the Netherlands - 100 thousands.

The fact that today's political correctness perceives with horror, just a little more than a century ago, did not particularly avert anyone. John Richard Green, another classic of the English “history for readers”, quietly quoted Cromwell's report on work done in Ireland in 1874: “I ordered my soldiers to kill them all ... About a thousand people were killed in the church itself. I believe that all but two monks had their heads smashed ... ”


In the 13 century, not far from Paris, the giant gallows of Montfaucon was built. Monfocon was divided into cells by vertical pillars and horizontal beams and could serve as a place of execution for 50 people at the same time. As conceived by the creator of the de Marigny building, an adviser to the king, the sight of the many decaying bodies on Montfaucon should have warned the rest of his subjects against crime.

Revolutionary entertainers

1 August 1793. Revolutionary French Convention issued a decree instructing "to destroy the Vendée." At the beginning of 1794. the army got down to business. “The Vendee should become a national cemetery,” proclaimed the brave General Turro, who led the “hellish columns” of the punishers. The crackdown lasted 18 months. Shots and guillotines (even children's guillotines were brought from Paris) were not enough to execute the decree. The destruction of people occurred, according to revolutionaries, not fast enough. Decided: to drown. The city of Nantes, according to Norman Davis, was "the Atlantic port of the slave trade, and therefore there was a whole fleet of huge floating prisons on hand." But even this fleet would quickly dry up. Therefore, they invented to bring the barge loaded with people on a reliable cable leash at the mouth of the Loire, to drown it, then again to pull it to the shore with ropes and to lightly dry it before new use. It turned out, writes Davis, "a wonderful reusable device for the execution."


It was not enough just to kill people to revolutionary entertainers. They were pleased to tear off their clothes and tie them in pairs before loading onto barges. Naked pregnant women were tied up face to face with old men, boys with old women, priests with girls, this was called “Republican weddings”.


To hide in the woods did not survive, but died of starvation, cattle were slaughtered, crops and houses were burned. The Jacobin General Westerman wrote enthusiastically to Paris: “Citizens are Republicans, the Vendée no longer exists! Thanks to our free saber, she died with her women and their offspring. Using the rights given to me, I trampled the children with horses, cut out the women. I have not regretted a single prisoner. I destroyed everyone. ” Entire departments were deserted, they were exterminated, according to various estimates, from 400 thousand to a million people. Sadly, the national conscience of France Vendée, apparently, does not torment.

In Russia, before the appearance of the Bolsheviks, nothing like the Vendean hecatomb had happened. And then it happened: on the Don, in the Tambov province, in other places.
Like any empire during the period of its construction, Russia walked heavily over the fate of a number of small peoples - Siberian and North Caucasian - there was no place for human rights and freedoms in their modern sense. One thing is for sure: there is no genocide in the full sense of the word on Russia's conscience. Everything is relative. American historian David Stannard in his book “The American Holocaust: Conquering the New World” showed that mastering America was accompanied by the most terrible ethnic cleansing in the history of mankind: in 400 years, aliens from the Old World physically destroyed about a hundred million (!) Indigenous people. On the Fifth Continent, the British exterminated most of the Australian Aborigines and all (!) Tasmanians.

America and Australia were far away, but when it became known to the Russian authorities that atrocities were happening near the borders of the empire, they sometimes went for direct intervention. The “Uman Massacre” in June 1768 of the year, during the so-called “Koleivshchyna”, claimed the lives of 20 thousands of Jews. Many thousands of Jews died, besides Uman, also in Lysyanka, Kanev, Cherkasy, Zhlobin, Korsun, Fastov, Belaya Tserkov and especially in Balta. Although all of this was happening on “sovereign Polish territory”, news of the scope of the atrocities prompted the Russian authorities to send General Krechetnikov’s corps against the Haidamaks, who broke them in a few days and possibly saved the Jews of the Right Bank of the Dnieper from complete annihilation.

Killings by law

Back in 1819, in England, there were 225 crimes and misdeeds that were reprimanded by the gallows. When the doctor at the English Embassy in St. Petersburg wrote in his diary in 1826, he was struck by the fact that only five criminals were executed in the wake of the Decembrist uprising in Russia, he clearly reflected the notions of his countrymen about the proportionality of crime and punishment. We have, he added, in a case of a military rebellion of such magnitude, probably three thousand or three people would be executed.

So looked at things everywhere in Europe. In Denmark, a law was passed in 1800 that provided for the death penalty for anyone who "at least advised" to abolish unlimited form of government. And eternal hard labor to anyone who dared to blame government actions.

Now take the "Russian Truth", it does not provide for the death penalty! From the Tale of Bygone Years, we know that Vladimir Svyatoslavich tried in 996 to introduce the death penalty for robbers. He did this on the advice of the Byzantine bishops, but soon he was forced to abandon cruel punishments uncharacteristic of Russia.
For the first time, the concept of the death penalty appears in Russia on the threshold of the 15th century in the statutory Dino Charter (for the third theft) and in the Pskov Judicial Charter (for treason, theft from the church, arson, horse thief and triple theft in the tenement).

The 1649 Code of the Year provides for the death penalty already in 63 cases - a lot, but still infinitely less than in Europe. Long trip to Western Europe in 1697-98gg. made the attentive and inquisitive Peter the Great impressed. Among other things, he decided that the material progress of the countries he visited was somehow connected with the cruelty of the laws and customs there, and he made the appropriate conclusions. It is no coincidence that the most brutal and massive action of his reign, the execution of 201 by the rebellious 30 archer on September 1698 in Moscow, occurred immediately after the young king returned from his 17 month-long European trip.

However, fighting an established value system is extremely difficult. In terms of the number of executions, even under Peter, Russia did not remotely approach the countries that served him as an ideal, and after his death this type of punishment abruptly declined. The middle of the XVIII century is marked by the actual abolition of the death penalty. In 1764, it turned out that there was no one to execute the sentence against Vasily Mirovich. For twenty years without execution, the executioner profession has simply disappeared.

In 1907, the collective work “Against the Death Penalty” was published in Moscow. Among its authors were Leo Tolstoy, Berdyaev, Rozanov, Nabokov Sr., Tomas Masaryk and other famous writers, jurists and historians. Branding the cruelty of royal power, they cite a complete, accurate, and list of names executed in Russia during the 81 year between the Decembrist uprising and the 1906 year. During this time, 2445 people were executed, that is, 30 executions were executed annually.

This figure, however, was influenced by two Polish uprisings 1830 and 1863gg. and the beginning of the 1905-1907 revolution. If you take peacetime, you get 19 executions per year. On the whole of huge Russia! What does this figure mean given the fact that during this period the death penalty for premeditated murder was used rigorously? She says that the killings themselves were extremely rare. (By the way, then very Finnish peoples were listed as Finns, they often used Caucasians to use their famous Finns.)
Two more illustrations to the question of the relationship to human life. The statute of the Russian army, whose authorship belongs to Peter I, prescribes assistance to the wounded during the battle. In the Prussian charter, assistance to the wounded was provided only after the battle. The French and English regulations of that time did not provide assistance to the wounded at all.

An earlier example. A mandatory part of the state policy of Russia-Russia was the redemption of their prisoners. This is what the chapter “On the Atonement of Prisoners” says of the 1551 Cathedral of the Year: “In the hordes and in Tsaregrad and in the Crimea ... of all the captives taken from the Tsar's treasury”. Ambassadors had target money to pay for the ransom, which they then reimbursed the treasury. But that is not all. Rich Levantine merchants and diplomats sometimes came to Russia with whole retinues, which included captive Christians. The Russian authorities did not allow them to be brought back under any pretext: “And the captives who brought Orthodox captives to the Orthodox, recaptured the Greeks and Turkmens, Armenians or other guests, and being in Moscow, would delight them again with the story, otherwise they would not stand firmly; Yes, they are paid from the Tsar's treasury. "

Population export

Here is an example of a completely different attitude to your own. This is a Polish example, but Poland has always passionately wanted to be and to have the reputation of Europe, Europe, Europe. In the autumn of 1653, the Polish king Jan Casimir was eager to deal with Bogdan Khmelnitsky, although the latter temporarily had a strong ally in the face of the Crimean Khan. When the Poles, Cossacks and Crimeans came together on the banks of the Dniester near the town of Zhvanets, it turned out that the Crimean Khan was no longer Khmelnytsky’s ally: the Poles managed to persuade the Khan towards a separate world. But under what conditions! Khan breaks with Khmelnitsky - and as a reward, on the way back, he can rob everything he wants, take as many prisoners as he wants. In the lands of the Polish crown! Until the end of the year, the Crimeans unlawfully robbed gentry houses (“for the most Lublin”) and took many of the nobility of both sexes into captivity - it was much more profitable for them than to rob the poor Little Russian “flakes”.

Many German princes traded their subjects, supplying cannon fodder abroad. The King of Saxony Frederick Augustus I (1670-1733), better known as Augustus the Strong, was very fond of porcelain and was happy to exchange porcelain items (the so-called "cabinet") for the French King 150 for only two regiments of his infantry. They like to give this example as proof of how highly porcelain was highly valued at the beginning of the 18th century, but for some reason they never bring it to show how low human life was valued in Europe at that time.

According to Brockhaus and Efron (v. 16, p. 580), Landgraf of Hesse-Kassel Friedrich "fell into debt, to cover which England sold 17 to thousands of his troops for war with the American colonies for 21 million thalers." More precisely, he just sold all his army, he wasn’t able to scrape more: the landgrave population decreased by 8% from this sale. The duke of Brunswick, landgraves Waldecki, Hanau, Anspach, and other minor German monarchs conducted similar trade. German soldiers from the possessions of the West German principalities were also systematically bought by the French government. A large number of German soldiers were purchased by the British East India Company, using them to conquer India.

Almost a century and a half before, on the contrary, the British offered their cannon fodder. In June, 1646, Lord Strafford, and Member of Parliament Fleming told the Russian envoy in London, Gerasim Dokhturov: “If the royal majesty needs serving people, then the parliament for the royal majesty will have thousands of soldiers ready immediately.”

Here is how the British suppressed the sepoy revolt in India (1857 g. - 1858 g.)
Delhi's re-seizure by the British 19 on September 1857 of the year was extremely cruel. The city was simultaneously attacked by four army columns - no wonder that a wave of looting and destruction swept through it. The soldiers were given a go-ahead for a three-day unpunished plundering of Delhi. Mughal treasures and everything that could be found in Red Fort - transportable historical and cultural values, jewelry, weapon and the clothes of the royal family, even marble slabs and mosaics, were stolen. Soldiers and officers participated in the looting. As a certain captain Griffith noted, “we went into houses belonging to representatives of the richest class of local residents, and everywhere found the same picture — destroyed houses, mutilated expensive utensils that could not be carried away ... Many English soldiers took away jewelry and gold jewelry I took the pearl necklaces and gold mohurs (the coin worth 15 of rupees) from my colleagues, taken from the bodies of the murdered citizens. Stolen in Delhi and got to England, where he was brought "returned from the colonies," the British, many of the items became exhibits of the British Museum in London.


To get even for the defeat, the British subjected to "desacralization" of many objects of religious worship. In the mosques organized bakeries, barracks and shops. Beautiful medieval buildings destroyed "for security reasons." Thirty-three villages in the suburbs of Delhi confiscated agricultural land. Then the massacres began. In all corners of the country, on which the insurgency swept, the victorious British blamed for the treason of all the inhabitants of the insurgent regions without exception. Often they tortured and killed innocent people. Captain Hudson ordered to strip naked and then execute the sons of King Bahadur Shah. The executions of the rebels and their leaders were accompanied by such an unimaginable "peripheral" massacre that even some British officers could not contain their disgust. Lieutenant Colonel T. Rice Holmes wrote in his notes about the trials organized by the field courts in Delhi that “native groups put the Military Commissariat or special commissioners on trial, each of whom was given the exclusive right to pardon and execute on behalf of the government. These judges were not at all inclined to show mercy. Almost all those who appeared before the court were found guilty, and almost all those found guilty were sentenced to death. In a prominent place in the city, a four-square-foot gallows was installed, and every day five or six defendants were hanged on it. British officers sat around and, puffing on cigars, watched the victims convulse.

One suspicion of sympathy for the rebels was enough to wipe out entire villages from the face of the earth. Those who were not hung were tied to the cannons of the cannons and torn to pieces by volleys. Streets and houses drenched in blood were such a disgusting sight that one nineteen-year-old officer could not help feeling: “It was a real murder,” he wrote, “I have seen many bloody and horrible scenes lately, but I pray God that see nothing like what I had to contemplate yesterday. Although the women were spared, their screams at the sight of the massacre of their husbands and sons were so full of pain ... Lord knows — I am not a compassionate person, but when you see a gray-bearded old man in front of you, you must have an incredibly hard-hearted heart to look at it with complete indifference ... "

The insurgency was crushed with exceptional cruelty. And no matter how the British tried to describe it only as “a riot of sepoys, and nothing more,” the facts spoke of something else. One of the representatives of the British administration in Delhi, T. Metcalfe, noted with regret that “the British live on a volcano, ready at any moment to explode with an outburst of merciless violence. All Udkhis with arms in their hands rebelled against us, not only regular troops, but also 60 thousands of people from the army of the ex-king. Zamindara and their servants, 250 forts, equipped with artillery to the teeth, act against us. They opposed to the Board of the Company (East Indies) the supreme power of their own kings and almost unanimously spoke in their support. Even mercenaries serving in the army became our opponents, and everyone, to the last man, joined the rebels "...
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  1. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 30 March 2013 10: 07
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    there are no words, only mothers in my head ... Anglo-Saxons in all its glory ...
    1. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 30 March 2013 11: 09
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      Quote: sasha 19871987
      Anglo-Saxons in all its glory.


      And then, the true heirs of shit democracy and humanity, just the same angels in the flesh.
      But with what pathos this satanic spawn yells about the savagery of Russia.
      1. eretik
        eretik 30 March 2013 12: 06
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        Quote: But with what pathos this satanic offspring barks about the savagery of Russia. [/ Quote


        We need to tell and show all this in response, and poke them in the face. For example, bring such articles, organize your own historical channel broadcast to the whole world and tell the truth about them, about the Nazis, about the Amer’s troops and their atrocities.
      2. smile
        smile 30 March 2013 12: 19
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        Sakhalininsk
        Exactly!
        Ay, gentlemen, bandarlogs and liberals, even on this site trying to convince us of the primordial savagery and bloodyness of our people and their history, where are you? Why don't you raise your voice in defense of the British tradition that appeals to you so much? Do you like their traditions? Where are your arguments about "Ivan the Terrible, named Vasilyevich for bloodthirstiness"? Where is the rassle about enlightened sailors and unwashed Russia? Be silent with your tongue in ...? So they would keep silent ... and it would be desirable to wash your mouth with soap and water. Ugh, mlyn, there is not enough evil!
        1. stroporez
          stroporez April 1 2013 12: 16
          +5
          d you are just like a small one ........... they don’t fight in the field where they have no obvious advantage ........ I'm sure no one will respond ----- cattle-s
      3. Rink
        Rink April 2 2013 02: 24
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        In the same piggy bank, a couple more facts.

        1. Some large libraries, including the Harvard University Library, store books in covers made of human skin.



        (Details here http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/NEWS/601080346/100
        3 / NEWS02
        )


        2. In 1672, a crowd of angry Dutch killed and ate his prime minister. (Details here http://www.executedtoday.com/2010/08/20/1672-cornelis-johan-de-witt-lynched-the-
        hague /
        )

        And remember "The Man Who Laughs" by Victor Hugo? The plot to remind? The child was stolen and mutilated by poor beggars in order to amuse the audience. European public looking at a freak laughed and tossed coins! The described time is the end of the 17th century, the 1690th year. Was Europeans normal with morality?

        In Russia, cripples also asked for handouts, but these were either military victims or inborn. They asked not at the circus, but at the church on the porch. For our people, they aroused pity and compassion, not laughter. And certainly, the children weren’t specially disfigured, it couldn’t have come to mind ... But Hugo, incidentally, writes that the phenomenon in Europe was widespread.



        And now they are building innocent eyes, and they say that Russia has always lagged behind enlightened Europe. Honestly, I don’t want to overtake Europe in such atrocities somehow ...
        1. Rink
          Rink April 10 2013 19: 39
          0
          .... and another "fact" characterizing our civilized humane Western enlighteners of humanity.

          In Europe, XIX - early XX centuries were very popular human zoos, which exhibited immigrants from Africa and Asia. Such zoos existed in Paris, Hamburg, Antwerp, Barcelona, ​​London, Milan, New York and Warsaw.
          Poster (pay attention to the year - quite fresh. Not the Middle Ages):

      4. Aviagr
        Aviagr 8 March 2016 09: 59
        0
        It looks like the representatives of the so-called "civilized countries", and our "liberals", are very eager for all sorts of shows!
    2. Babon
      Babon 30 March 2013 12: 28
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      Why only Anglo-Saxons? The French in those years were also the same. And even earlier there were Albiguian wars in Europe, it was generally something.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 30 March 2013 23: 10
        +8
        Quote: Babon
        human

        Quote: Babon
        Why only Anglo-Saxons? The French in those years were also the same. And even earlier there were Albiguian wars in Europe, it was generally something.


        - Yes, it’s all one - it’s Western-looking! That fritsoid, that paddling, that shaved. One Satan.
        1. stroporez
          stroporez April 5 2013 08: 53
          0
          it must be remembered that the present Britons are the descendants of the Normans. and the "Saxons" remained Toko in the name. So sho really sho French, sho shaved --- one stump ............
    3. Kaa
      Kaa 30 March 2013 18: 14
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      Quote: sasha 19871987
      Anglo-Saxons in all its glory

      Why are there some Anglo-Saxons? Catholics and Protestants, Anglicans, non-Orthodox, in a word, consider non-Christians. Long before the stories about "bindings made of human skin" in Hitler's times, whole churches were decorated with skull-bones and built ... at neighbors-Czechs ... brothers, mln. "Somewhere in the second half of the XNUMXth century, King of the Czech Republic Otakar II sent One abbot to Palestine. From an overseas business trip, the rector of the church brought some earth and scattered it over the cemetery of the local abbey. It should be noted that the land was not easy. The priest took it on Calvary - it was there, according to the New Testament, that Jesus Christ was crucified. Since then the land in the town of Kutná Hora was considered sacred. It was rumored that the body here began to decompose only on the third day after burial. Soon the fame of the Holy Land in the center of Europe spread to other countries. Many famous people from other countries wanted to be buried in the cemetery in the city of Kutna -Mountain.
      In the XIV century, a plague spread in Bohemia. Of course, thousands of relatives drove their dead to the place where a piece of the Holy Land was preserved. It is unknown who the hero who first undertook to arrange the bone piles was, but they say it was a kind of half-blind monk. He dismantled the rubble of bones and skulls and built 6 pyramids from them. Outside the church in the city of Kutna Hora is no different. We can see a rather gloomy building with slabs around and stone monuments on the graves.
      But, as you know, looks are often deceiving, so everything changes before our eyes and feelings when you go inside.
      The results of the woodworker's work are bewitching. In each corner of the building are large pyramids with bones.
      SEE a shocking video tour in the church.http: //travel.tochka.net/6920-tserkov-iz-kostey-v-chekhii-ledenyashchie-d
      ushu-fotografii /
      1. haron
        haron April 2 2013 08: 54
        +1
        Kaa.
        This church is just a big crypt and was built with the goal that people would not walk on the bones.
        Exactly the same crypt churches in the Czech Republic are not few, although only two more are available in Melnik. This topic has nothing to do with atrocities, it’s just that there is very little fertile land and keeping large cemeteries on them is a little luxurious. This trend appeared a long time ago and continues to this day. Cremation and columbaria are the most common burial methods.
        Well, a chandelier made of bones ... imagine how a person should have a roof to turn over, sorting through this pile of bones. talk like a thread with a court-honey who has a couple of thousand autopsies behind him, you will learn a lot of interesting things about his outlook on life and I’ll notice - no cruelty :)
    4. alex13-61
      alex13-61 30 March 2013 19: 56
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      And why are you so about "humanists" ... they bring democracy to the masses ... now they are wooing the Arabs with freedom ...
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 31 March 2013 10: 14
        +6
        Quote: alex13-61
        And why are you so about "humanists" ... they bring democracy to the masses ... now they are wooing the Arabs with freedom ...


        - Now for the Arabs, and soon they will switch to us again, the main thing is to start the antidote with the antioxidant in time :)
        1. Krapovy32
          Krapovy32 April 1 2013 08: 24
          +4
          How many did not meddle with us, so all the time they raked along insolent muzzles lol still poke around and again under the ass Pendell get soldier
      2. alexdol
        alexdol 31 March 2013 21: 39
        +4
        alex13-61 UA "... now freedom is being wooed the Arabs ..."
        -------------------------------------------------- -----------
        I would also like to add that they have long been trying to impose this "freedom" on everyone! Here is another example, we are talking about the Paraguayan version of the mid-19th century, here is a link to an article published on my literary page
        http://stihi.ru/2010/01/02/2731
    5. Rink
      Rink 31 March 2013 01: 38
      +5
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      there are no words, only mothers in my head ... Anglo-Saxons in all its glory ...

      This is a small part of what the "civilizers" have done.
      If you consistently go through all the conquests of the English crown - after all, there was a large empire at one time! - then everywhere they treated the conquered in a way that a normal person would not be able to deal with animals. Africa, America - everywhere the hecatombs of corpses after these arrogant and arrogant gentlemen. However, the Spaniards or the French, the Dutch and the Danes all acted in the same way.

      And what is most surprising to me is the position of the Catholic Church, which took an active part in the bloodshed. There is no such crime, and such vileness, which would not be something that was not forgiven to its parishioners by the Catholic clergy, but there is no such crime that the Vatican would not bless its Catholics in advance!

      All this is in their own books. Western Europeans are so accustomed to such cruelty, they take such behavior so natural that they don’t even really try to hide their history.
      1. stroporez
        stroporez April 1 2013 19: 41
        +1
        universal people start to understand Shoto Toko when coffins begin to arrive regularly in their houses. In the interests of all PEOPLE, as soon as possible organize this delivery ..............
    6. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 31 March 2013 09: 22
      -5
      In Russia, before the Bolsheviks appeared, nothing similar to the Vendee hecatomb did not happen. And then it happened: on the Don, in Tambov
      Smacks of monarchism
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 31 March 2013 10: 19
        +7
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        In Russia, before the Bolsheviks appeared, nothing similar to the Vendee hecatomb did not happen. And then it happened: on the Don, in Tambov
        Smacks of monarchism


        - Come on, here la la la poplar! The Bolsheviks are much to blame for all the troubles! Can it remind you of the Time of Troubles or the princely feuds that brought the Tatars to Russia and because of which the Russian people could not gather in a single fist and properly warm Batu on the bald head?
    7. angarchanin
      angarchanin 31 March 2013 19: 51
      +2
      Remember this to those who say that Russia belongs to Western (European) civilization ...
      1. Light source
        Light source 31 March 2013 23: 21
        +1
        Quote: angarchanin
        Remember this to those who say that Russia belongs to Western (European) civilization ...

        They are Western European civilization, and we are Eastern European.
        Europe, it is like a magnet, in the west minus, in the east plus.
  2. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 30 March 2013 10: 07
    20
    In Russia, there was nothing like this, and thank God!
    1. Samuray
      Samuray 30 March 2013 19: 01
      -3
      Read above my comment;)
    2. Samuray
      Samuray 30 March 2013 19: 21
      30 th
      It was, it was in Russia! From recent examples, the tsarist authorities suppressed the uprising in Central Asia of 1916
      1. dmitrich
        dmitrich 31 March 2013 12: 09
        13
        The rebels burned the farm and killed the families of Russian settlers, Cossacks, and workers. In a telegram to the Minister of War on August 16, 1916, the Turkestan Governor-General and the commander of the troops of the Turkestan Military District Aleksey Kuropatkin said: “In one Przhevalsky district, 6024 families of Russian settlers suffered property, most of which lost all their mobility. 3478 people went missing and killed. The treacherously unexpected attacks on Russian villages were accompanied by brutal killings and disfigurement of corpses, violence and mockery of women and children, the barbaric treatment of prisoners and the complete destruction of welfare acquired over the course of many years of labor, with the loss in many cases of the hearth ”.
  3. erased
    erased 30 March 2013 10: 08
    34
    It was always - to blame Russia for the atrocities that they themselves committed. The West and now can not be otherwise.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 12: 31
      26
      Our laws have always been different from Western ones, and not only laws. Everything was different, life was different, values ​​were different, we just tasted it at the suggestion of Humpbacked and it took some time to make sure that it was it. Although our liberals liked it, they still chew and enjoy it.
      We need to go back in terms of morality and attitude to life, read such articles and draw conclusions for the future.
      1. Rink
        Rink 31 March 2013 02: 35
        11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Our laws have always been different from Western ones, and not only laws.

        .... I wonder what this difference comes from very deep antiquity.

        The ancient Greeks, describing the Scythians (who really were our ancestors, no matter how many "red-haired Germans" lied to another), were surprised that the Scythians no slaves.
        The Scythians themselves considered all "their" descendants of the gods, equal, and therefore slavery was perceived as nonsense. But the captives captured in the wars did not become full-fledged slaves of the Scythians either. They, of course, were involved in "labor education", but could not be sold / bought and were not completely powerless. And after 10 years, the prisoner was released and he was given the right to choose: return home or stay with the Scythians.

        But Europeans, enlightened, humane and civilized, practiced natural slavery recently, back in the 19th century, swam for slaves to Africa ....

        And after all, they themselves sacredly believe in their incredible humanity and democracy! And therefore, they themselves recognize the right not only to teach everyone how to live, but even more: to come to other, strangers home, put up your list of rules and immediately begin to punish him for violation !!!
        And they don't even understand why these "savages" are against it.
        1. cooper
          cooper 31 March 2013 12: 47
          -7
          For some reason, you forget about serfdom, not very different from slaves
          1. Rink
            Rink 31 March 2013 13: 27
            13
            Quote: Cooper
            For some reason, you forget about serfdom, not very different from slaves

            No, do not forget.
            First, serfdom was introduced in Russia by the "Europeanizer-democratizer and civilizer" Peter, who in 1718-1724 carried out a tax reform that enslaved the peasants. In Europe, too, the peasants were assigned to the lands of all the Marquis-Karabas, no one needed a margrave and a landgrave without peizans. And the extreme forms of peasant dependence pass in a wave from the western edge of Europe to the east. The arrival of serfdom corresponds to a certain stage in the development of socio-political relations. And serfdom was not invented in Russia, serfs were in England, and in Spain, and in Central Europe ... Russia in this sense is not something unique.

            Secondly, the life of the peasants during the serf period in Russia, it turns out, was significantly different from those "horrors" that we were told. The People's Will and Communists needed to show tsarism as a "prison of peoples", and what we learned in the textbooks was largely propaganda. In fact, self-government and democracy in peasant communities, even during the serf period, may have been more than in Soviet times. Of course, there were also extremes, there were also despots-landowners with a penchant for sadism, but there were only a few such monsters, and such psychotic patients came across everywhere and at all times.
            There are serious studies of serfdom, look. Many of them provide information that fundamentally changed my view of the history of that period in Russia.
          2. Andrey57
            Andrey57 31 March 2013 17: 09
            +4
            The liberation by decree of the tsar from serfdom in the 19 century concerned only 18% of peasants, the rest at that time were not serfs hi
          3. rexby63
            rexby63 31 March 2013 18: 18
            +5
            In Russia, serfdom has existed for over 200 years, and in such "citadels of democracy" as England and France a little less than five centuries
          4. dmitrich
            dmitrich April 1 2013 06: 09
            +5
            serfdom and Warfalamean night, which is the same thing?
        2. stroporez
          stroporez April 1 2013 13: 38
          0
          http://www.contrtv.ru/common/1610 почитайте,хлопцы.хоть и тут не без перегибов, но интересно.....
        3. Oshin
          Oshin April 5 2013 15: 45
          +1
          Quote: Skating rink
          The ancient Greeks, describing the Scythians (who really were our ancestors, no matter how much the "red-haired Germans" would lie to another), were surprised that the Scythians had no slaves.

          And we have never taken into slavery other nationalities. The prisoners were forced to restore the spoiled and then released. If the prince decided to stay, no one resisted. And many remained.
          Of course, now someone will remember the serfs. But notice, these were their own people, not captured in wars.
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 31 March 2013 07: 40
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        it’s just that we tasted it at the suggestion of Gorbaty and it took us some time to make sure that it was it.

        I recalled a children's joke on this subject. Cheburashka approaches Gena, and holds out a mass on his finger, asks Gene, try what is it? case is not plasticine? Having tried Gena, she gives an answer, no, she’s not plasticine, it’s. Cheburashka, in return, then I think where will the plasticine come from. And so we tried this miracle of FREEDOM, were surprised and wept, and ate to the very throat.
      3. rodevaan
        rodevaan 31 March 2013 19: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Our laws have always been different from Western ones, and not only laws. Everything was different, life was different, values ​​were different, we just tasted it at the suggestion of Humpbacked and it took some time to make sure that it was it. Although our liberals liked it, they still chew and enjoy it.
        We need to go back in terms of morality and attitude to life, read such articles and draw conclusions for the future.


        - Plus to you! Great comment!
    2. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 30 March 2013 12: 50
      +8
      Quote: erased
      blame Russia for the atrocities committed by themselves

      He transferred the west to normal people. Gays are left.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 30 March 2013 23: 11
        +5
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        Quote: erased
        blame Russia for the atrocities committed by themselves

        He transferred the west to normal people. Gays are left.


        “We’re better off - such a half-community will degenerate.” Yes, and there they cherish, spawn Russophobian.
    3. stroporez
      stroporez April 1 2013 13: 31
      +3
      for this they are accused, Schaub the original peoples of Asia, Africa, America did not grab them by the moorings themselves. In the interests of "common people" to expose Russia above the ghoul, so that their own cannibalism would get lost a little against such a background
  4. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 30 March 2013 10: 09
    18
    Executions were the main public entertainment of Londoners for many centuries.

    But now they are teaching Russia democracy.
    1. Babon
      Babon 30 March 2013 15: 01
      11
      Well, you see how they teach. Bombs are pouring everywhere, it's all called democratization. Now the United States is constantly fighting somewhere without ceasing, and it is the most democratic country in the world. It’s time to call a spade a spade, aggression constantly emanates from the USA, and it is very far from their own borders.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 31 March 2013 07: 47
        0
        Quote: Babon
        aggression constantly emanates from the USA, and it is very far from its own borders.

        Victoria Nuland, here the other day was indignant about NPOs, added that the United States will continue to finance these dirty tricks through other countries. Well, this is already too much, direct interference in the internal affairs of Russia. So, maybe it’s time for our authorities to provide financial assistance, to the people of America, in order to free them from the tyranny of democratizers, and these traders. (This is not their supply of arms to Syria.) At the same time, we’ll check how they will deal with conflicts in their territory. After all, the US population has a lot of weapons. And they have something in their hands to fight the tyrants of the White House.
  5. Sibiryak
    Sibiryak 30 March 2013 10: 10
    12
    We must often remind the proud proud geyropeytsami that they are and where their true place! Something may change, because water wears away a stone!
  6. Uzoliv
    Uzoliv 30 March 2013 10: 30
    0
    A curious case from English history. In 1541, Baron Thomas Dacre with a company of friends, nobles went hunting in foreign lands. When the foresters tried to stop them, the poachers grabbed their weapons. One of the foresters was killed. A court was held that sentenced the lord and his accomplices to death. All of them were hanged as the most ordinary criminals - they did not even have the privilege of cutting off their heads. For the murder of an insignificant commoner, a high-born lord and three nobles paid their lives.
    1. family tree
      family tree 30 March 2013 10: 47
      34
      I doubt that for the murder. Rather for poaching
      1. old rocket man
        old rocket man 30 March 2013 11: 12
        19
        Quote: perepilka
        I doubt that for the murder. Rather for poaching

        Quite right, in England there were the most severe laws on hunting and poaching. The peasants did not have the right to hunt at all, they hanged the "poacher" for the caught rabbit, they were allowed to collect brushwood in the forest, but they were often punished for this too., Violence against women until 19 century was not considered a crime at all.
      2. Ghenxnumx
        Ghenxnumx April 3 2013 09: 41
        +2
        Quote: Uzoliv
        A curious case from English history. In 1541, Baron Thomas Dacre with a company of friends, nobles went hunting in foreign lands. When the foresters tried to stop them, the poachers grabbed their weapons. One of the foresters was killed. A court was held that sentenced the lord and his accomplices to death. All of them were hanged as the most ordinary criminals - they did not even have the privilege of cutting off their heads. For the murder of an insignificant commoner, a high-born lord and three nobles paid their lives.

        Quote: perepilka
        I doubt that for the murder. Rather for poaching

        Executed by hanging without distinction of estates for poaching in the royal forests
    2. mivmim
      mivmim 30 March 2013 10: 52
      +2
      Uzoliv Today, 10:30 A curious case from English history.

      Yes I do not believe
      1. Uzoliv
        Uzoliv 30 March 2013 14: 47
        +2
        And here is another curious case, also with the Lord, though it happened much later, well, there is one.
        On May 4, 1760, Lord FERRES was hanged in England for murder. This fact in itself is not too remarkable (he is not the first noble noble man sentenced to death for a crime, he is not the last). The fact is that Lord Ferres was the last to be killed not with a rope, like an ordinary commoner, but, as prescribed by a long-standing custom, with a silk lace. Thus was ended another privilege of the English nobility. The Lord’s execution itself was furnished to the highest standards: he arrived at the place of execution in his own front carriage drawn by six horses, and went up to the scaffold in his white silk wedding suit, trimmed with silver galloons and expensive lace.
        Already in the 19th century a new model of the gallows came into use - with a hinged hatch. During the fall into the hatch of the prisoner his neck was broken, so that death came quickly. Experiments with this type of execution began in the second half of the 18th century. In particular, it was such a stage that was prepared for the hanging of Lawrence Shirley, the fourth Earl of Ferrers, in the 1760s. Lord Ferrers was known for his dissolute conduct, and he was convicted of the murder of his steward. His execution was furnished with special solemnity, because the hanging of the Lord was more likely an exception to the rule. The scaffold was draped with black cloth, and the brilliant criminal himself rolled into Tyburn on Lando. Decide to go for a swim, he put on his wedding suit (he was officially divorced from his wife, and at her request, which in itself testifies to his lifestyle). Places at the gallows were sold out, onlookers excitedly awaited execution - and even so unusual, in high-tech style, with a hatch! Another thing is that the executioner did not calculate the length of the rope, so when Lord Ferrers fell into the hatch, his legs touched the ground. There was no quick death. In order not to torment the poor fellow, the executioner strangled him in the old fashion, twitching his body.
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 30 March 2013 16: 24
          10
          Quote: Uzoliv
          And here is another curious case, also with the Lord, though it happened much later, well, there is one.

          Honestly, it’s disgusting to read when the details of the execution are lurking, and even in that spirit. negative
        2. Oshin
          Oshin April 5 2013 15: 49
          +1
          Quote: Uzoliv
          Places at the gallows were sold out, onlookers excitedly awaited execution - and even so unusual, in high-tech style, with a hatch!

          As far as I remember, if there was a public execution, on the contrary, people were driven by force, to intimidate. and they have a distinction
        3. vaditi
          vaditi April 8 2013 10: 23
          0
          and where does all this come from?
    3. Gecko
      Gecko 30 March 2013 11: 26
      +9
      They were probably executed not for the murder of a commoner, but for the fact that they "went to hunt in other people's lands."
    4. alex13-61
      alex13-61 30 March 2013 20: 01
      +2
      So - his enemies were more serious ... and a reason was found ... and the Lords are in disgrace ...
    5. Rink
      Rink 31 March 2013 02: 41
      +8
      Quote: Uzoliv
      In 1541, Baron Thomas Dacre with a company of friends, nobles went hunting in foreign lands. .... For the murder of an insignificant commoner, a high-born lord and three nobles paid their lives.

      You forgot only to mention in whose lands the stupid baron decided to hunt with his stupid comrades. After all, the forester who had not been killed was guarding his property? And the damage caused to another servant was always considered an insult to his master.
      And who was the boss?

      The Baron simply did not calculate his strength, he climbed into the wrong garden for apples ....
    6. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 March 2013 10: 29
      +2
      Quote: Uzoliv
      stop

      Quote: Uzoliv
      A curious case from English history. In 1541, Baron Thomas Dacre with a company of friends, nobles went hunting in foreign lands. When the foresters tried to stop them, the poachers grabbed their weapons. One of the foresters was killed. A court was held that sentenced the lord and his accomplices to death. All of them were hanged as the most ordinary criminals - they did not even have the privilege of cutting off their heads. For the murder of an insignificant commoner, a high-born lord and three nobles paid their lives.


      “Well, because they hunted most likely on the lands of a more senior person, and even killed his forester-servant.” Of course, the owner did not forgive such a thing. So both hit Kukan.
      1. xan
        xan 31 March 2013 17: 21
        +1
        I agree with those who believe that the baron was hunting in the wrong lands, and the year 1541 in England is a time of lawlessness.
        I read at Kostomarov, at the end of the 17th century, the time of Peter the Great, Polish magnates executed the nobility of their possessions, consider the nobility, at its discretion. Peasants were simply not considered people.
        1. Atash
          Atash April 1 2013 19: 43
          +3
          Most likely, in the framework of strengthening royal power and the fight against feudal lawlessness, the lord was convicted by the royal court. Perhaps that is why in the West, jurisprudence is highly developed, since there is a need for it. Why unnecessarily fence a garden. Now, for example, in New York there are more lawyers than in all of Japan, because there (in Japan) no one is suing anyone. The East has always been more humane.
          1. vaditi
            vaditi April 8 2013 10: 29
            0
            And we don’t have a law at all. I mean, it does not work.
  7. VladimirD
    VladimirD 30 March 2013 10: 42
    13
    Well, yes, Russia is a wild country. But Europe is white and fluffy. But we must pay tribute to Europe. They have the highest level of propaganda. Turn crimes into achievements, and even everyone would believe it !!! It costs a lot !!
    1. Light source
      Light source 30 March 2013 13: 10
      +2
      Quote: Vladimir D.
      They have propaganda at the HIGHEST level. Turn crimes into achievements, and even that everyone would believe it !!! It costs a lot !!

      The main thing here is the mental development of the processed, in its logic.
      1. rodevaan
        rodevaan 31 March 2013 19: 07
        +1
        Quote: Source of Light
        processed

        Quote: Light Source
        Quote: Vladimir D.
        They have propaganda at the HIGHEST level. Turn crimes into achievements, and even that everyone would believe it !!! It costs a lot !!

        The main thing here is the mental development of the processed, in its logic.


        - That's right! You are not being fooled by this bullshit, I am not being fooled because we understand what's what. Oh, there would be more such people. Education needs to be raised and Soviet propaganda revived.
  8. omsbon
    omsbon 30 March 2013 10: 47
    +6
    All of the above deserves widespread media coverage. People should be aware of the roots of European "tolerance and liberality".
    1. Yashka Gorobets
      Yashka Gorobets 30 March 2013 13: 33
      13
      Not only should this be covered in the media, it should be taught at school, and with the same comparative analysis over the centuries as we have and how they have. Then, the percentage of internal liberals will begin to tend to zero.
      1. omsbon
        omsbon 30 March 2013 14: 16
        +2
        Quote: Yashka Gorobets
        it must be taught at school, and with the same comparative analysis over the centuries, as we had and how they have ..

        This is very correct and true!
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 30 March 2013 15: 33
        20
        Quote: Yashka Gorobets
        Not only should this be covered in the media, it should be taught at school, and with the same comparative analysis over the centuries as we have and how they have. Then, the percentage of internal liberals will begin to tend to zero.


        At school, we were told about the Salaspils Children's Camp, we were taken on an excursion.
        Now .. de-Stalinizers and the Holocausts .. and fascism then again raises its head.

        1. Vladimir_61
          Vladimir_61 30 March 2013 20: 22
          +8
          Quote: Ascetic
          children's camp Salaspils

          Another nail in the coffin of the Latvian Nazis. Only the demented hope that they have escaped punishment. Nothing disappears without consequences.
        2. hommer
          hommer 31 March 2013 22: 29
          +2
          Stanislav, sometimes despair covers what to do ?!
          Well, what else do they give evidence ?! Kill children, mock them? Critters!
          Inhumans they are - all this Western civilization, we will never understand them.
          1. stroporez
            stroporez April 1 2013 13: 11
            +2
            Quote: hommer
            what to do?!
            I’m not Stanislav. but I’ll say what to do ---- give birth to children, educate them correctly, train them --- and everything will fall into place .............
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 30 March 2013 10: 49
    19
    Yes, there was no right for Europe to blame Russia for barbarism! And now there is no right to teach us freedom of speech and human rights.
    But actually the gallows near the "speaker's corner" .... there is something in it. Maybe you should also install a stylized, modernity (Tsereteli order) statue of the gallows, and then send all opposition to this square to hold rallies! It will be so European ... repeat
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 30 March 2013 13: 38
      22
      Quote: Egoza
      Yes, there was no right for Europe to blame Russia for barbarism! And now there is no right to teach us freedom of speech and human rights.


      Chandelier and Decoration of the Church from Human Bones. Czech Republic 18th century. How "sweet", the truth - "enlightened and humane Europe" - and no indignation of the church and the "democratic public", from the point of view of the European, everything is fine. They just have such norms. And from the point of view of "savages" like Russians - natural Satanism.
      1. haron
        haron April 2 2013 09: 24
        -3
        Satanism is when people make money on such things. Initially, this church was just a crypt. This is already now, when there was a demand for bridegrooms to let tourists go there. I want to note that the number of tourists from Russia to look at this satanism is quite enough.
    2. Vladimir_61
      Vladimir_61 30 March 2013 20: 25
      +6
      Quote: Egoza
      But actually the gallows near the "speaker's corner" .... there is something in it.

      A terrifying place in energy - for centuries. And it is within the city. No wonder in ancient times people avoided settling in places of bloodshed, since they knew more.
  10. Seaman
    Seaman 30 March 2013 11: 16
    +9
    Enlightened Europe ... Democracy ... your mother! Let them look at themselves, not teach Russia! In the mud went until the 18th century!
  11. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 30 March 2013 11: 25
    +4
    And Western culture and lifestyle, some of our politicians are trying to convey to us. We don’t need an alien, but we won’t give our
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 30 March 2013 23: 17
      +3
      Quote: AIR-ZNAK
      And Western culture and lifestyle, some of our politicians are trying to convey to us. We don’t need an alien, but we won’t give our


      - Yes, they go to hell with their pseudo-"values" and skulls on the walls. In the grave I saw these premature savages.
  12. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 30 March 2013 11: 26
    +8
    There are more such publications, and preferably films - documentary, feature. And the victory on the fronts of the information war against Russia will be close. Article, definitely +!
  13. Avisarra
    Avisarra 30 March 2013 11: 32
    +6
    and this is the most cultured nation ?! here he is English snobbery in all its glory!
  14. Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 March 2013 11: 38
    10
    All European culture, history stands on the blood. Slavic, Russian nation is an order of magnitude higher than Europeans.
  15. Tambov we ...
    Tambov we ... 30 March 2013 11: 49
    +4
    Quote: Seaman
    In the mud went until the 18th century!


    Yes, not only in the mud, but also in the shit on all the streets and squares of their cities. I read that in the old part of Madrid, there is still a persistent fan of those times.
    1. T-130
      T-130 30 March 2013 15: 40
      +4
      in the old part of Madrid, there is still a persistent fan of those times.

      Wow, how many years do you need to live in feces so that the city smelled like that!
  16. Vladimir_61
    Vladimir_61 30 March 2013 11: 52
    +6
    The West, blaming Russia, judges on its own. Savages see everything by their level. Civilized externally, inside, many of them are not far from troglodytes. But even troglodytes were better — yet they were not so corrupted. They will reap their rewards.
  17. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 30 March 2013 11: 57
    18
    The article contains only a small part of the atrocities of "civilized" Western Europe.
    The centuries-old atrocities and massacres of the civilian population by the Vikings, who were not peaceful sailors at all, but sea robbers fed on the robbery of the cities of England, France, Spain, Italy, etc., were ignored.
    However, the English, Spanish, Dutch, French and other pirates were no better.
    Nothing is said about the atrocities of Europeans in Africa. During the slave trade from the 15th to the 19th century, Africa lost more than 100 million people killed during the seizure and died while being transported overseas to the "cradle of democracy"
    Nothing is said about the atrocities of the Europeans in the colonial wars in Africa, China, Indochina.
    From the point of view of a normal person, Western Europe is a cancerous tumor on the planet’s body that has been devouring the planet’s mineral and organic resources for centuries, destroying the environment and giving humanity nothing but bloody wars and destruction.
    1. Urrry
      Urrry 30 March 2013 15: 23
      12
      yeah, a lot that has not yet been included in the article ... for example, the Inquisition with the mass extermination of women. They so cleaned up their "gene pool" from female attractiveness - that now the percentage of beautiful women in Russia is actually higher than in their Europe, and their men tend to "fall in love" with each other rather than with the representatives of their European "fair" sex ...: )
  18. medwed1976
    medwed1976 30 March 2013 12: 14
    13
    real face of Europe
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 30 March 2013 20: 49
      +7
      Quote: medwed1976
      real face of Europe

      But the image is nicer and nicer to the eye:

      and the mass of friends was sweet.



      But in reality this:
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 31 March 2013 02: 21
        +2
        There must be one unicorn ... it’s not even a classic .... It’s always one horn!
        1. aleshka
          aleshka 31 March 2013 17: 53
          +2
          and here is a unicorn, this is Europe on a bull, from another opera !!!
  19. evfrat
    evfrat 30 March 2013 12: 14
    +8
    They have always been and will be barbarians. When the covers of well-fed life fly away - we will all see it again.
    1. family tree
      family tree 30 March 2013 14: 54
      +2
      They have always been and will be barbarians. When the covers of well-fed life fly away - we will all see it again.

      Don't say that anymore. Barbarians are very offended.
      1. T-130
        T-130 30 March 2013 15: 43
        0

        Don't say that anymore. Barbarians are very offended



        They carry water on the offended! Well, some put something there!
        1. family tree
          family tree 30 March 2013 17: 25
          +5
          http://absurdopedia.net/wiki/%C2%E0%F0%E2%E0%F0
          For centuries, the main enemy of the barbarians remained the forces united under the auspices of the World of the European (European Union). The barbarians, contrary to the laws of gods and people, lived in the territory that the forces of the European Union dreamed of gaining. It is worth noting that the lands of the barbarians were rich in wood, furs, gold, silver and copper deposits. The whole World understood that barbarians cannot independently own such wealth and must share, give all their territories to civilized nations. The EU has repeatedly, through its ambassadors, offered the barbarians free resettlement in Greenland, but because of their ignorance, they never saw their own benefits in this. Conflict was inevitable. The European Union understood that the barbarians were looking for a reason to declare war, and they would find it. In the year of the red rooster, the entire combined army of the European Union, due to inaccuracy of geographical maps, accidentally moved towards the capital of the barbarians. Progress was difficult and difficult, catapults, trebuchet and other siege weapons were stuck in the mud. For the barbarians, this was an excuse. As always, treacherously, without declaring war, under cover of night, they attacked the united Jewish Army. After three months of persecution, the Evrearmia was exhausted and bloodless, the troops moving by the turtle began to doubt the need for persecution, cases of desertion and calls for rebellion became more frequent, the troops demanded that they pay a salary and dissolve the legions. Realizing the inevitability of the collapse of the European Union army, the commanders had to retreat. This was the first act of undisguised aggression by the barbarians against the civilized World and Euroope.

          Harness laughing
        2. Andrey57
          Andrey57 31 March 2013 17: 32
          +7
          In fact, the barbarians are our ancestors, and the Greeks and Romans called them that because before the battle of the war they shouted "Ar! Ar!" , which meant "In the ground! in the ground!", that is, to feed the worms, so they did with the bodies of enemies - they buried them in the ground, our ancestors burned their dead, that is, sent them to Dazhdbog, whose grandchildren they considered themselves. For the future, it is not worth calling European scum and vandals, these are also our ancestors who, after defeating the "enlightened Greeks and Romans", first of all burned down all the libraries, this is true, but in the West no one explains why, but they burned them because books were written on parchments made of the skin of Slavs, which were specially bought for these purposes, and before killing and peeling off their skin they were kept in sea water up to their throats for several days - so that the sea salt a little corroded the skin, it was more convenient to peel off ... Therefore, the vandals did not burn libraries, and their sisters, wives and daughters. This is so for general development. hi
      2. YuDDP
        YuDDP 30 March 2013 18: 29
        10
        Quote: perepilka
        Don't say that anymore. Barbarians are very offended.

        the commander of the Russian peacekeepers in Kosovo, General Yevtukhovich said: "Comrade officers, I ask you not to call the p.i.d.so.sov p.nd.os.ami," they are very offended by this "...
      3. evfrat
        evfrat 30 March 2013 22: 04
        0
        I just say them with insulting words ...
  20. bazillius
    bazillius 30 March 2013 12: 21
    -4
    Good article, but with flaws:
    One thing can be stated with certainty: there is no genocide in the full sense of the word on the conscience of Russia.
    But what to call the destruction of the Russian population by Lenin, Trotsky and Sverdlov? No one "surpassed" them either before or after.
    I recommend http://www.1-sovetnik.com/sinema-1.html, History of Russia. XX century, serial, 2007-2010
    Director - Nikolay Smirnov
    Another moment, I read this article after an article about Estonia: this is what the Baltic peoples are striving for, but apparently Russia is VERY embarrassing to them. Although where there in the Baltic states sex is allowed from the age of 12?
    1. Horde
      Horde 30 March 2013 12: 59
      +4
      Quote: bazillius
      Director - Nikolay Smirnov


      I watched his films and destroyed the Russians in the revolution, they are destroying it now.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 30 March 2013 15: 53
        +4
        He is the same Smirnov as you are the Pope of Rome, this figure from the same Judas as all sorts of solzhenitsers, rezuns, mlechins, swinidze, posners and other Radzinsky. Their goal is the nurturing of the USSR and all that is Soviet.
        1. Horde
          Horde 30 March 2013 16: 51
          +4
          He is the same Smirnov as you are the Pope of Rome, this figure from the same Judas as all sorts of solzhenitsers, rezuns, mlechins, swinidze, posners and other Radzinsky. Their goal is the nurturing of the USSR and all that is Soviet.


          except for one Rezun, Svanidze, Melechin, Solzhenitsyn, Posner - Jews, but
          Nikolay Mikhailovich Smirnov Russian help:
          The series of films "History of Russia XX century" - tells about the dramatic, full of ups and downs history of Russia of the XX century, about the terrible trials of the country in the era of autocracy, about the last Russian Tsar and the fall of the Monarchy. They are addressed to the widest circle of viewers who are not indifferent to the fate of the great country, to those who are interested in the historical events that took place in Russia at the turn of the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries. The director of the project is Nikolai Mikhailovich Smirnov, a military expert-journalist, the author of the project "Our Strategy" and the cycle of programs "Our View. Russian Frontier". Films were shot with the support of the Russian Orthodox Church. Its representative is Nikolai Kuzmich Simakov, a specialist in church history. Invited to the film: historians Nikolai Starikov, editor-in-chief of the national-patriotic magazine "Imperial Renaissance" Boris Smolin, intelligence and counterintelligence officer Nikolai Volkov.


          and I ask you not to poke:
      2. Stalinets
        Stalinets 31 March 2013 18: 39
        0
        Quite right. Only "someone" was hiding behind the Jews then, as it is now. Someone carries this ideology through the millennia ...
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 30 March 2013 15: 48
      18 th
      Neither Lenin, nor Trotsky, nor Sverdlov have ever destroyed either the Russian or any other population, where did you stuff this stuff into your head?
      See all network garbage dumps the liberals are collecting.
      Since the restructuring of the spotted killer Gorbi of the German of the year, such an outburst of dirty slander has been carried out that for 20 years, those who are weaker in their minds have begun to take all this lies seriously, although as soon as they turn to the facts, all this heap of lies crumbles at once.
      Slander of Lenin, Trotsky and Sverdlov is financed by the US Department of State from funds for subversive activities, so you should not believe in it.
      1. lechatormosis
        lechatormosis 30 March 2013 19: 27
        11
        Here I will never agree with you.
        Trotsky and SVERDLOV actively destroyed the Cossack population in the south of Russia.
        This is evidenced by various documents.
        AND THE BALDUAL HERE IS NO REASON, and it is not necessary to cover the crimes of Trotsky-BRONSTEIN it will not work.
      2. evfrat
        evfrat 30 March 2013 22: 11
        0
        Then probably it was not shot about Lenin? And it seems not in the Americas ...

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1Fxz7xMZ_A
        1. 73petia
          73petia 31 March 2013 04: 55
          0
          Then it is necessary to remember about the "Ice campaign". And about Kolchak in Siberia. And the Americans and the Japanese are in the Far East.
  21. Prometey
    Prometey 30 March 2013 12: 28
    10 th
    The article is written purely on an emotional level. Every state, let alone empire, was created by blood and iron. Everywhere there were tyrants and criminals, but now telling the tens of thousands that were destroyed, for example, in England during the reign of Henry VIII, Mary the Bloody or Elizabeth I, please answer how this country, with such frenzy destroying its own people, so quickly restored the demographic abyss and still managed to colonize new lands and conquer half of the world? Either the British multiplied with the speed of the Chinese, or they just for that time had very low infant mortality and long life expectancy.
    Or France - revolutionary terror, the fight against counterrevolution - the population of entire departments is destroyed, and suddenly bam - Napoleon in a few years within 15 years rains almost 3 million recruits on Europe (and you just don’t call the entire male population, someone must plowing the land and working in factories). Damn, I can’t understand where the lies are, gentlemen?
    About 100 million killed Indians during the colonization of America - the same from the realm of fiction. Well, there weren’t so many Indians, there weren’t. Otherwise, blacks from Africa would never have been imported.
    I did not know the world of total destruction of the population until the 20th century. No, there were separate precedents, but they were not systematic.
    1. Urrry
      Urrry 30 March 2013 15: 29
      +8
      In the Middle Ages in Europe, families gave birth to 10 or more children, i.e. population growth was faster than now in China or in Asia and Africa ...
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 30 March 2013 16: 02
        -5
        Urrry
        The average family of a commoner consisted of 3-4 children, they would not have pulled more. We add here the complete illiteracy in obstetrics-gynecology - we get a high mortality rate during childbirth (including mothers), which is 30% + high child mortality - out of 5 born until adulthood, 2 survived. A decrease in child mortality and an increase in the average life expectancy of the population in Europe began from 19 centuries, when more or less qualified honey began to be introduced. help. Yes, and Caesarean section began to be widely used, which reduced the mortality rate during childbirth by an order of magnitude.
        1. loisop
          loisop 31 March 2013 18: 42
          +3
          Less than half of those born did indeed live to adulthood. Average. Everywhere (although directly contradictory facts are known in Russia: in the peasant (! Out of 69 born, 67 children survived and grew up).
          But here the main thesis is fundamentally wrong! Commoner, in your opinion, what was he doing? Correctly, mainly by agriculture. And in the village to the peasant - the children are NOT a burden, but helpers. Therefore - the more children, the better. In the city, yes, the children are dependents, therefore, in the families of the townspeople there are fewer children than in the village.
          Justify from which finger 3-4 children are sucked?
          1. Atash
            Atash April 1 2013 20: 16
            +1
            Yes, the commoner and had no choice, pull not pull. How much was born, so much and feed. laughing
        2. Prokop
          Prokop April 5 2013 04: 37
          0
          It seems to me that you have read literature far from the truth (statistics and truth are completely different in essence). My father was the youngest 11 child and was born when grandfather was 52 and grandmother was 50. Only one of his brothers died, fell from a horse. Grandfather Prokop (father) 4 out of 10 children. Anya's grandmother 2 out of 7 children. And on the mother’s side: mother — the youngest of 9 (one brother died as a boy, herded cows in the field, it rained heavily, there was nowhere to hide, then he burned down in two days. How many children were in the grandmother’s family (mother’s) I don’t know, because she died when mother was 2 years old (the war started). And Ignat’s grandfather (mother) has 4 out of 6 children. And so throughout the whole family, if you go deeper. Where did you dig up the statistics that you give here ???
    2. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 30 March 2013 15: 31
      15
      England conquered the colonies due to superiority in weapons. At the expense of a trained, well-trained professional army. A company of soldiers with rifled carbines will defeat any number of natives with bows and spears. Due to intrigue - bleeding neighboring tribes. At the expense of money - bribing leaders.
      They did not conquer a single nation standing at a similar level of development. They stuck in Kamchatka - received from the local garrison of the Russian army. and piled up
      As for France and Napoleon. But what if you kill the population of one province, you can’t recruit a large army in three years. In a big country - France. Moreover, in the Napoleonic army were not only the French. And the war on Russia, under the Napoleonic banners, was the whole of Europe. This is a medical fact. As well, however, the Hitler army was the army of a united Europe.
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 30 March 2013 16: 17
        -6
        PrikVO 84-86
        The professional army of England appeared only in the 19th century, and in fact, before Waterloo, what the English army in Europe really did not know. Their small red uniforms crawled to different distant corners of the planet, supporting the crowds of colonists.
        How did they conquer other nations? Well, in some places, and due to technical superiority, although in India it was not so simple - the local residents also had firearms.
        As for the fact that they did not conquer the one who stood at their level ... Well, during the Seven Years' War, the British took Canada away from the French. And so, actually, what country in the 18-19th century waged successful conquest wars with their own kind? The maximum was limited to the capture of 1-2 provinces.
        1. PrikVO 84-86
          PrikVO 84-86 30 March 2013 17: 14
          +2
          You contradict yourself. First write that the Angles did not breed like the Chinese and that there was a high mortality rate. And then write about the crowds of colonists. Where did these crowds come from? And do not forget that the colonists had modern weapons, unlike the natives. Plus army support. Riflemen company or cavalry squadron.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 30 March 2013 17: 39
            -7
            Quote: PrikVO 84-86
            You contradict yourself. First write that the Angles did not breed like the Chinese and that there was a high mortality rate. And then write about the crowds of colonists.

            I do not contradict myself. I asked a question - if in England during the 16th century there was genocide of its own population, and 2 centuries before that there was an epidemic of plague - how did the population recover so quickly in conditions of low knowledge in medicine, high child mortality (a universal phenomenon)? But there is only one conclusion - the figures given in the article are fundamentally wrong and are sucked out of the finger. There were no mass executions with tens and hundreds of thousands of corpses either in France, or in England, or anywhere else. Population growth has been slow and systematic over the centuries in all countries of Europe (including Russia), interrupted by epidemics and crop failures.
            1. Atash
              Atash April 1 2013 20: 24
              +1
              High child mortality accompanies high birth rates, and modern countries with advanced medicine are known for birth rates low to the level of negative natural population growth.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 30 March 2013 23: 10
        +3
        Quote: PrikVO 84-86
        England conquered the colonies due to superiority in weapons.

        And also tricks to deception and "double standards"

    3. smile
      smile 30 March 2013 16: 15
      +9
      Prometey
      During the time of Ivan the Terrible, the population of France was almost five times larger than in Russia. Poles - almost two and a half times more than us.
      The population of Napoleonic France when it attacked together with the whole of Europe on Russia was over 20 million. By the way, in Russia one and a half million less. To these twenty million add those drowned in revolutionary bacchanalia ... but even without them - We take 20 percent of 20 million, what do we get? That's right, he called for less than theoretically possible ....
      With Britain it’s the same story, as the seizures created cannon fodder - like sepoys that gentlemen threw into a meat grinder ... :))))) and in the British Empire by 2 there lived 550 million people, but the white population was 16 -18 centuries increased extremely slowly - once a little slower than ours, although the birth rate was almost the same .... :)))))

      If it weren’t for the illnesses and frenzy with which the Europeans were slaughtering each other, if they were consolidating, without tearing pieces of territories from each other’s mouth, engaged in colonization, then perhaps there would be no people with a different skin color on the planet ..

      And the Negroes began to be imported for the simple reason that the Indians did not justify themselves as a slave-force - many preferred to die than to work for the enslavers, some of whom they were able to make, very quickly died out ... well. Europeans also believed that they were incapable of work due to laziness and stupidity .. by the way, Negro slaves simply had nowhere to run - for the Indians they were the same alien enemies ... but the Indian was a step away and you are on the native prairies .... I don’t know which point of view is closer to you ....
      and they ended by that time ...
      Yes, I understand - entire nations and tribes, only a part of which remain in the names of American helicopters - this is not genocide ... so a separate case that accidentally cleansed almost the whole of North America from the local population ... yeah ... and the current American Indians living on reserves quite by accident, average life expectancy of 41 years ... well, they are too lazy to live ... by accident! :)))))
      1. Prometey
        Prometey 30 March 2013 16: 25
        -9
        Quote: smile
        During the time of Ivan the Terrible, the population of France was almost five times larger than in Russia. Poles - almost two and a half times more than us.

        That is, the point of view is confirmed that there was no mass slaughter in the countries of Europe.
        Quote: smile
        The population of Napoleonic France when it attacked together with the whole of Europe on Russia was over 20 million. By the way, in Russia one and a half million less.

        Well, here you are already mistaken - at the beginning of the 19th century, approx. 40 million people
        Quote: smile
        And the Negroes began to be imported for the simple reason that the Indians did not justify themselves as a slave.

        Yes, who will understand now. Just Indians actually were few in those places where the plantation economy developed.
        1. smile
          smile 30 March 2013 17: 19
          +7
          Prometey
          For those. who is not able to independently interpret the facts and draw conclusions:
          1.It is confirmed that Iga, bloodless for 200 years, in a fierce fight with Poles, Livonians, Crimeans for its existence, Russia was so careful with its population (of course, adjusted for time and in comparison with some). that in terms of population growth was several times ahead of France, in the DEVELOPED territory and population, it was initially significantly ahead of us significantly ...

          2. yes - I was mistaken because of a leaky memory - I am correcting myself - the population of Russia is less than 40 million, the population of France is MORE than 44 million, without colonies, of course. :))) Well, that means they were no longer by one and a half million, as I wrote earlier, but by 4 million ... Do you like it better? :))) In any case, thanks for the amendment .... no kidding.

          3. And you, drawing conclusions, read more memoirs and statements of our potential friends of the era under consideration .. yes there is no hair there - ears become on end! ... they convince much more effectively than any exposures of historians, albeit the most honest ... :) )))
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 30 March 2013 17: 50
            +2
            Quote: smile
            It is confirmed that Iga, bloodless for 200 years, in a fierce fight with Poles, Livonians, Crimeans for its existence, Russia was so careful about its population

            Sorry, I don’t believe in the yoke, fierce fights with Poles, livonets and others - well, no more brutal than constant showdowns in Europe - in any case, until the 20th century, means of destroying the population were very primitive to undermine demography.
            Quote: smile
            Russia's population is less than 40 million, the population of France is MORE than 44

            Without sarcasm, clarified hi I dare to suggest that quantitative indicators are not a priority. Important population density, natural growth and life expectancy. Objectively - but the standard of living in Western Europe was higher, there hunger was a very rare guest than in Russia. In the 18th century, the serfman Prince Shcherbatov wrote a work in which he confirmed that the Russian people, due to their geographical location, will never live richer than Europeans, where the conditions for agriculture are many times better.
            1. smile
              smile 30 March 2013 18: 26
              +2
              Prometey
              1. Well, don’t believe it, don’t believe it - if you are a supporter of the theories of Fomenko and his followers, please God, if only you wouldn’t propagandize here, and so what a swear ... :)))
              But about the impact of wars that are not capable of influencing demography - I bet a little - do you really think that hundreds of thousands of people hijacked even by Crimeans do not affect demography in any way? After them, figuratively speaking, the land, which had been plucked as a locust, remained ... and they reached Moscow ... we tried to cope with this scourge until the moment when Suvorov cut out the top of Gireyev when Ishmael was captured ..
              About fights with other neighbors - I agree, but you are absolutely correct further on writing about population density, land development, by the number of which the Europeans are bypassing us now ... but then ... the fact of the matter is that in terms of population life expectancy and the wealth of this very population, we bypassed the Europeans .... don't be too lazy to look at Medinsky's trilogy "Myths about Russia" on the internet ... the books, of course, are kept in the spirit - Our answer to Chamberlain ... but they are interesting and, most importantly, there there are links to quite serious studies ...
              But in general - thanks for not starting to swear but calmly argue :))))) +
              1. Atash
                Atash April 1 2013 20: 35
                +2
                Prometheus, numbers - yes, most likely overpriced, but in general the meaning of the article is correct. They are impossible to be bloodthirsty, because it was they, they, who muddied the two world wars. No one except THEY has done anything like this on Earth. It was they who had thirty years of war, a century of war. Who else can continuously destroy each other for a century?
          2. Igarr
            Igarr 30 March 2013 18: 33
            +7
            The people .... whoa-whoa ...
            Hello to all.
            When reading such materials - pay less attention to data.
            The census appeared very late. Statistical census.
            And if the people fell out of the province, not wanting to be tied to a barge - then this is an occasion for the general to declare that the task has been completed. There are no people, 2 pregnant aunts were destroyed, the rest fled - but they destroyed 100 thousand.
            This is how Russia lost 100 million repressed ... from the same field a berry.
            As all the Novgorodians drowned in Volkhov, Ivan Ibn the Terrible.
            Etc.
            Well, think for yourself.
            Any war leads to illness, hunger, vagrancy, robbery. Especially in the Middle Ages.
            Now we consider - 100 thousand is destroyed. Died of disease - 30 thousand. I ran away - 20 thousand. From hunger bent - 10 thousand.
            Thousands of holes ... but where is the population? And where did the soldiers come from - to tie these same pregnant women to the elderly?
            Even taking into account what, say, in those days a woman could give birth twice a year - it doesn’t dance out .... loss and profit.
            Etc.
            So, we believe - destroyed - 10 ... ran away - a hundred. So much for the debit - no - 110 people. General - a medal.
            .
            This I mean ... that in the same way the Holodomor ... you need to count .. Anyone wise.
            The number of people executed from 1927 to 1953 is known for sure - 670 thousand people. I remember for the rest of my life.
            1. Prometey
              Prometey 30 March 2013 20: 33
              +1
              Quote: Igarr
              This is how Russia lost 100 million repressed ... from the same field a berry.
              As all the Novgorodians drowned in Volkhov, Ivan Ibn the Terrible.
              Etc.
              Well, think for yourself.
              Any war leads to illness, hunger, vagrancy, robbery. Especially in the Middle Ages.
              Now we consider - 100 thousand is destroyed. Died of disease - 30 thousand. I ran away - 20 thousand. From hunger bent - 10 thousand.
              Thousands of holes ... but where is the population? And where did the soldiers come from - to tie these same pregnant women to the elderly?
              Even taking into account what, say, in those days a woman could give birth twice a year - it doesn’t dance out .... decrease and profit

              Here I am about the same. They cut it, executed here, burned it - hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands of corpses. How did they survive in such conditions? Yes, they even colonized the New World.
        2. PrikVO 84-86
          PrikVO 84-86 30 March 2013 17: 22
          +2
          2 Prometey
          That is, to understand what happened a hundred and fifty years ago - during the colonization of sowing. America is hard. But this is the time of newspapers, telegraphs and telephones, steam engines. But you reliably know what happened 350 years ago in Moscow and in Russia as a whole. By the way, after that time, all of Moscow several times burned to the ground from fires.
          1. Prometey
            Prometey 30 March 2013 17: 52
            0
            Quote: PrikVO 84-86
            But you reliably know what happened 350 years ago in Moscow and in Russia as a whole.

            Where, where did I write that I know that I know for sure about Russia 350 years ago?
      2. stroporez
        stroporez 31 March 2013 11: 50
        +1
        About two years ago I read about the work of archaeologists and andrologists in Yucatan. They unearthed mass graves of Indians dating back to the "century of enlightenment" and estimated them at 70-80 milen corpses. However, the lads were quickly closed their mouths. And now you won't find these articles in the daytime with fire. the fourth Reich Pts even worries about his reputation. Otherwise, like this --- "the flower of European civilization" (sorry for the obscenity) will have to apologize to the Indian peoples. And this European and not only, the Fuhrer can not admit in any way, it is better to screw up Russia and make you repent of anything ............
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 30 March 2013 23: 02
      +7
      Quote: Prometey
      About 100 million killed Indians during the colonization of America - the same from the realm of fiction. Well, there weren’t so many Indians, there weren’t. Otherwise, blacks from Africa would never have been imported.


      Hitler - a puppy in comparison with the "conquerors of America." What they don’t learn in American schools: as a result of the Holocaust of the American Indians, also known as the “five hundred year war” and “the longest Holocaust in the history of mankind”, 95 out of 114 million indigenous people of the current territories of the USA and Canada were destroyed
      .
      American Holocaust: D. Stannard (Oxford Press, 1992) - “Over 100 Million Killed”

      Before the arrival of Columbus The lands now occupied by 48 states of America were inhabited by over 12 million people. Four centuries later, the population was reduced to 237 thousand, i.e. by 95%. How? When Columbus returned in 1493 in 17 courts, he began a policy of stealing into slavery and mass extermination of the population of the Caribbean. Within three years, five million people were killed. Fifty years later, only 200 Indians were recorded during the Spanish census!
      The European colonies, and subsequently the newly formed United States, continued a similar policy of conquest. Massacres took place across the country. Not only were the Indians massively killed by carving entire villages and scalping the captives, the Europeans also used biological weapons. British agents distributed blankets to the tribes that were intentionally infected with smallpox. More than one hundred thousand Mingo, Delaware, Shawnee and other tribes inhabiting the banks of the Ohio River have been carried away by this disease. The US Army took this method into service and used it against leading tribal life on the plains with the same success.
      The “final solution” to the North American Indians problem has become a model for the subsequent Jewish Holocaust and South African apartheid.
      Why is the biggest holocaust hidden from the public? Is it because it lasted so long that it became a habit? It is significant that information about this Holocaust is deliberately excluded from the knowledge base and consciousness of the inhabitants of North America and the whole world.
      When once again the United States declares its desire to enlighten another people, mired in savagery, lack of spirituality and totalitarianism, do not forget that the United States thoroughly stole the carcass, it’s difficult to call their means civilized, and they hardly have goals that Do not pursue your own gain.
    5. stranik72
      stranik72 31 March 2013 13: 31
      +2
      Prometey
      "Or France - revolutionary terror, the fight against counterrevolution - the population of entire departments is being destroyed, and suddenly bam - Napoleon, in a few years, within 15 years, unleashes almost 3 million recruits on Europe (and you just can't call the entire male population, someone must then plow the land and work in factories) Damn, I can't understand where the lies, gentlemen? "
      Yes, there’s no lies, you just don’t want to know anything, read somewhere and believed in it, but if it was different, then a question was asked in the search engine about the composition of the (national) Napoleonic army and you would be surprised both about the number of the army itself and about the nationalities included in it.
    6. Atash
      Atash April 1 2013 20: 10
      +1
      At the expense of numbers - not without reason. Often overpriced. The same Warf. night - really no more than three thousand, there is an opinion, most of which are just concomitant criminality and looting. But sometimes they talk about three hundred. About Novgorod Ivan the Terrible brought to 60 thousand, unrealistic.
  22. Horde
    Horde 30 March 2013 12: 30
    +4
    all these facts of the MASS DESTRUCTION of the population of their countries cannot be explained by putting things in order and establishing the law in this country.
    -13 in France, civil warriors (crusades) with Qatari Albigoneans destroyed 1mil. people
    -England 16-17th century MASS FORCED EXCLUSION of the peasant population from the land. TI is presented as a transition from feudalism to capitalism. Hundreds of thousands of peasants have been driven from their lands.
    -Russia. Mass executions of the defeated rebel troops of Stepan Razin. The Razin uprising is covered in darkness, but according to the scarce information of that time, the defeat was carried out with the help of FOREIGN TROOPS. After the defeat, there were MASS executions throughout the country, followed by the distribution of Russian lands with peasants of FOREIGNER.
    -Mass destruction -Extermination of rifle troops during the time of Tsar Peter up to 50 thousand people. The suppression of the "Streltsov revolt" took place with the help of the Germans and Poles, for which Peter paid King Augustus 1.5mil gold. Besides, as INTERVENTION, this fact can no longer be called.
    -Petrovsk reforms, wars with the Swedes, Ottomans /, the construction of St. Petersburg reduced the population of central Russia by 30% - these are millions of people.
    -The article reflects how the rulers of Europe treated their population in a NEGATIVE-CRIMINAL manner, and the sale of soldiers was considered commonplace.
    All these facts, when the rulers of states DESTROYED their own population massively, can not be explained only by neglect and high standards of the elites in relation to their population. When considering the transition from the primitive-communal system to feudalism, THE FORMATION OF NATIONAL ELITES was carried out according to the principle when the commune was promoted OUTSTANDING personality, and, as we say in Veliky Novgorod, they could nominate, but they could also push the prince. Therefore, princes, ALWAYS were burdened with worries about the needs and aspirations of their communities of peoples. and the prince was the FATHER of the people.
    But restoring order through mass punishment and the extermination of the peoples of the whole territories says only one thing that the rulers were not representatives of those peoples who were subject to extermination, but were conquerors, representatives of aliens who came to these countries of foreign troops.
    According to traditional history, it is NOT POSSIBLE to understand what happened to the world in those times, but it is not possible to understand because all these facts, although known, are presented in such a way that the integral picture of the world has become disintegrated and smeared over the centuries. Except for the most screaming ones ("Razin Uprising", "Pugachev Uprising") here we know almost nothing - everything that we know here is all LIES.
    for example, the so-called "defeat of the heretics of the Cathars" was carried back to the distant 13th century and presented as a struggle against heretics. analysis and compare facts in their HISTORICAL SEQUENCE.
    SO, there was a MASS DESTRUCTION OF THE RUSSIAN POPULATION in the world at that time in Europe, America, Asia, India, China, and Japan. They were the RESIDUES OF THE RUSSIAN EMPIRE with both the Russian population and the ABORIGINAL RIGHTS SPEAKING IN RUSSIA. those who replaced the GREAT EMPIRE from the 16th to the 19th century were rebuilding the world already for themselves, so at first it was necessary to destroy ALL REMINDERS about the former RUSSIAN CULTURE.
    1. Babon
      Babon 30 March 2013 15: 07
      +2
      Well, then I would like to read about the Rzeczpospolituyu speech, how will it fit into this theory? What about the seven-year war, write, and yet there was still the colonization of America and Asia. From Africa, slaves were taken. The Ottoman Empire was also warlike. How to attribute it here? It turns out that they fought all over the world, at the same time and everywhere, if you think.
      1. T-130
        T-130 30 March 2013 15: 30
        +2
        Theory is theory, and you read about the genocide of the Irish as they were taken to America as slaves and cut out at home, than this story reminded me of Chechnya in the early 90's!
        1. Babon
          Babon 30 March 2013 15: 35
          +4
          Well, the Chechens were not exported in the 90s. You’d better take an interest in where they got so much weapons from, here is a real betrayal of politicians.
      2. Horde
        Horde 30 March 2013 16: 24
        +2
        Quote: Babon
        then I would like to read about Rzeczpospolituyu, how will she fit into this theory?


        the Poles were vaccinated with CATOLICISM so this country has become the most irreconcilable enemy of the Russians.
        What about the seven-year war, write,


        in the middle of the 18th century, when the EMPIRE was already defeated, and the SHards of the EMPIRE the Great Tartaria and Atamania either did not have enough strength or did not see clear prospects in restoring the former world, therefore they did not participate in the CASE OF LANDS OF EUROPE of the so-called Seven Years War.
        On the thrones, both from Prussia, the former Slavic country and from ROMANOVSKAYA RUSSIA, the GERMANS sat for a long time and firmly, therefore TWO GOALS were pursued in this war.
        -first division of imperial territories
        -second DESTRUCTION of the RUSSIAN and SLAVIC population, which was represented in both states, as for Austria, there before the 20th century there was a SLAVE MOST. Let me remind you Germany is the former Slavic lands of the so-called VENDS. From here Vienna, Venice, Vendome. In Germany there are cities with TYPICAL GERMAN NAMES - SPRING, LYUBEK.
        1. Babon
          Babon 30 March 2013 17: 41
          +2
          There was a war in Europe. It’s just seven-year-old, it’s called in our country, then the British and French fought very seriously in America (part of the world). Does this turn out to be global? The war was actually going on between the same countries.
          1. Horde
            Horde 30 March 2013 18: 06
            -2
            Quote: Babon
            then the British and French fought very seriously in America (part of the world)

            and here you are, please, the indigenous INDIAN POPULATION of those who remained after the CIVILIZATION PROCESSES are the Hurons, they themselves call VENDS. Wends - the indigenous Slavic population of Europe during the EMPIRE.
            The American Wendian tribes are their distant descendants. Is not it true that some are not Native American Indians, men are typical Cossacks. A photograph of the beginning of the 20th century.
  23. knn54
    knn54 30 March 2013 12: 41
    +5
    Stroessner staged a real genocide against the Paraguayan Indians - out of 250000, 30 were left! Under him, the Indians were safari-shot from jeeps, poisoned by dogs, drowned in swamps ...
  24. wulf66
    wulf66 30 March 2013 12: 45
    14
    Here they are!!! The missing chapters of OUR history books.
    1. natalichka19
      natalichka19 30 September 2014 15: 33
      0
      in history textbooks in general, a lot of chapters are missing and each event is rewritten for the benefit of a certain side. Didn’t you know what?) Http://www.anywalls.com/64235-operenie-golova-sova-ptica-temnyi-fon.html
  25. sailor
    sailor 30 March 2013 12: 50
    0
    I'm in aah ....
  26. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 30 March 2013 13: 06
    +8
    And these Europeans still dare to teach us something!

    We need to conduct propaganda: they reproach us with the Gulag, and we at Bartholomew’s night.

    Some Estonians are demanding repentance for some reason ... But they need to be sued for supporting the Livonian and Teutonic knights who plundered Russian lands. And for the Estonian parts of the SS.

    Let yourself repent!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 30 March 2013 16: 36
      +1
      On Bartholomew’s night, some Frenchmen slaughtered other Frenchmen for the sake of some sheer nonsense. Some for the Pope, others for the patera.
      And what's wrong with the Gulag? They didn’t kill people there, but introduced them to work and re-educated them with labor. This is still better than keeping a person in a gown without any work, go nuts.
      After the re-education in the Gulag, many former criminals became artists, writers, designers, military leaders, engineers, doctors, agronomists, laureates of the Stalin and Nobel Prizes, Heroes of the Soviet Union and Social Labor.
      And the Pribludians, in my opinion, were subject to denazification and total stripping, but not by the method of deportation to Siberian and Ural ITLs, but by the method of drying on a strong soapy rope or brilliant green on the forehead.
      It was naive to wait for these creatures to be re-educated, these are genetic punishers and killers of women and children.
      1. YuDDP
        YuDDP 30 March 2013 18: 56
        +2
        Corsair5912, I read your statements and understand that spring is coming ...
        1. Atash
          Atash April 1 2013 21: 13
          +2
          That spring, which is "like paranoia"? smile
  27. Millibyte
    Millibyte 30 March 2013 13: 12
    +9
    Quote: Tambov we ...
    Quote: Seaman
    In the mud went until the 18th century!


    Yes, not only in the mud, but also in the shit on all the streets and squares of their cities. I read that in the old part of Madrid, there is still a persistent fan of those times.

    And in the old part of Paris, where tourists are not taken, the same is still the case, and in Jerusalem the sewer outside the buildings is made, as it will break through, so on the heads of the inhabitants of the promised.
    Wide French hats are especially significant: in order that night pots poured out of windows (buildings without sewers) do not spoil camisoles. A sophisticated pretzel with a waving hat was intended solely to disperse the stinking stench of the metropolis in front of the lady.
    1. Prometey
      Prometey 30 March 2013 13: 51
      0
      Millibyte
      In our city (albeit a millionaire) it is problematic to move along the roads after a rain storm - storm storms do not work in principle or do not exist at all.
      Outside the buildings, gravity flows - it does not break through, in principle, it can only leak due to decay of pipes wink
  28. Atlon
    Atlon 30 March 2013 13: 20
    +6
    "These people will teach me how to pick my nose correctly ?!" (C) am
    But seriously ... Europe has been and will be a cesspool of civilization. And their "subsidiary" SyShYA not far from the apple tree fell ... It's just that Europe has a thousand-year history, and the states have only a couple of hundred years ... But I think the states will not catch up with Europe in terms of the level and number of atrocities (although they are trying VERY hard! a year in three goes!), the time of the naglo-Saxons has passed. Drain the water.
  29. Igor.
    Igor. 30 March 2013 13: 42
    +3
    all "European values" in Russia were introduced by Peter I, after him a German woman or whatever she was Catherine II and the Hortopov-Romanov dynasty. for 300 years Russia and Europe are two sides of the same coin.
  30. HAIFISCH
    HAIFISCH 30 March 2013 13: 44
    +5
    they’re trying to teach us from a dog, and not so long ago, in my opinion, in the Security Council, they compared communism with fascism, they say look what we are better, it only comes to mind to fight, take it off, by any means and means.
  31. CrazyMishka
    CrazyMishka 30 March 2013 13: 59
    -6
    Well, I think there is a more unpleasant explanation for a more human attitude towards people in Russia than the high moral qualities of the rulers. It's just that our living conditions are worse, and to restore the population of "permitted polygamy" is not enough. They slaughtered Europe, but the population will still be bigger.
    1. Bosk
      Bosk 30 March 2013 15: 12
      +5
      If all migrants are "removed" ... then another question is where more awakens ...
  32. 120352
    120352 30 March 2013 14: 22
    +6
    Ivan the Terrible in the number of victims of Elizabeth I - the lamb of God. There were no such atrocities in Russia as in Europe. The reason is the differences between Catholicism and the Protestant movements involved in it and Orthodoxy, a bloodless religion.
    1. T-130
      T-130 30 March 2013 15: 12
      +4
      I think the reason is not even in the difference of religions, but in a more ancient historical culture, although historians do not recognize the earlier culture of the Slavs, but people just do not appear from nowhere, they can only disappear from history at once!
      1. stroporez
        stroporez April 2 2013 13: 48
        0
        "The pinnacle of all European culture is German classical philosophy, which in turn reached its culmination in Hegel, and through his mouth declared that Napoleon is the embodiment of the absolute spirit on Earth, and the further history of mankind is generally over. But Russia defeated Napoleon!" -----not mine
        Matveychev O. wrote, but surely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  33. Bosk
    Bosk 30 March 2013 15: 10
    +4
    Guys, the word BARBAR in translation from ancient Greek is translated as "NOT GREEK or FOREIGN" and if you think about it, then we really are not Greeks and certainly not their compatriots, I mean that everyone except the Greeks is in fact BARBARIANS,
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 30 March 2013 16: 02
      +2
      Barbarian or barbar correctly, the Latin word, it means bearded, as the Romans called the Germans and the Slavs not shaved beards.
      The German emperor Barbarossa (red beard) is known in history
      1. Bosk
        Bosk 30 March 2013 17: 11
        +1
        At one time, the ancient Greek language was the second official language of the Roman Empire .... because there is an opinion that the Latins adopted this word from the ancient Greeks. I like this version more ... although I'm just a person, and therefore I may be mistaken
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 30 March 2013 18: 51
          +2
          You really, brothers ... do not confuse the Greeks with the Greeks, huh?
          Anyway ... Sanskrit is more ancient .. ancient Greek will be.
          So in Sanskrit, the closest relative of the Slavic languages, especially near Russian - the word BARBAR (or BARBAR) - has exactly the same meaning as in Russian.
          Here is the link ... easy ... http: //jiva-108.livejournal.com/208567.html
          And hunting yourself to search - so find it.
          Can you forget then ... about the ancient .. Greek and Roman .... borrowings.
          Success.
          1. rodevaan
            rodevaan 30 March 2013 23: 22
            0
            Gentlemen, but what's the difference where the word came from, the main thing is that it accurately and correctly conveys the essence of what the article is about and on the forum.
  34. T-130
    T-130 30 March 2013 15: 22
    +5
    The article is impressive! Although I already met somewhere the information according to which even Hitler was a petty felon in comparison with other European rulers, but in general the fact that Europeans had already condemned the crimes of Nazism, they arranged the same thing in their colonies quite often even re-spitting Nazi executioners in sadism!
    1. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 30 March 2013 16: 04
      +2
      Hitler is no different from his European predecessors in either methods or goals, the only difference is his technical capabilities.
  35. Indigo
    Indigo 30 March 2013 15: 31
    +8
    Add the slave trade and remember that from the horseradish..new apple tree and horseradish lasts ...
    That’s probably a pid ... I can’t write everything myself either History of the Russian State - There is NO such dirty trick in her that she would repent - that means we must invent de-Stalinization, millions of fucked Germans, Katyn, Orcs, etc.
  36. zennon
    zennon 30 March 2013 16: 11
    +1
    Well, how not to remember the anecdote: "And these people forbid me to pick my nose?"
  37. shurup
    shurup 30 March 2013 16: 15
    -6
    The war of 1618-1648 cost the territory of modern Belarus a loss of about 50% of the population, and 80% in the regions bordering with Moscow. Land cleansing from Lithuania and the heretic uniates was carried out using completely Vendée methods, which is confirmed by the reports of the Moscow governor to Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich.
    The reign of Peter the Great cost Russia a loss, according to various estimates, from 15 to 50% of the population.
    For WWII, the loss figure of 10% is common - this is for comparison.
  38. Avenger711
    Avenger711 30 March 2013 16: 20
    +2
    And the reason is simple, Russia, even without the Urals and more eastern territories, was already a huge country, after the end of feudal fragmentation, the borders and conventional combat zones moved away from the places of residence of the main population, which reduced the possibility of ethnic hatred. Siberia, on the whole, is an empty territory even now, there was no need for immigrants to compete with the locals over land, and even their small numbers did not disassemble. Although the general ability of Russians to get along with their neighbors, which, for example, is completely absent among psheks and Muslims, this does not negate.
  39. Avenger711
    Avenger711 30 March 2013 16: 22
    +2
    By the way, executions as a show in Chechnya at the end of the 90s were quite normal. So do not think that all kinds of savages were better than Europeans.
  40. nnz226
    nnz226 30 March 2013 17: 10
    0
    For the sake of completeness, it would be nice to give signatures to the given canvases, who the author is, as they say. I saw some pictures for the first time and I don’t know either the author or the name.
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 30 March 2013 18: 04
      10
      The last painting is a reproduction of Vereshchagin's painting "The Execution of the Sepoys".
      The story of this picture is fantastic. The picture is the first Russian salvo in an ideological war with the West. Vereshchagin traveled a lot. And he was in India during the sepoy uprising. And he saw the reprisals of the British with the rebels. He painted this picture.
      The bottom line is that the British and other colonial peoples declared that they carry civilization and knowledge to the peoples in the colonies. And in this picture a sophisticated cruel execution is shown. Sipaev killed a blank shot from a gun. In this case, the body scattered into small pieces. Therefore, not only earthly life was taken from the sepoys. But also hope for a subsequent resurrection. By their faith, people move to other bodies for a new life. But for this, the old body must be preserved. With this kind of execution, the British led the surviving sepoys in horror and obedience.
      Vereshchagin saw and understood all this. Thanks to his talent, he was able to convey the painting all the vileness and cruelty of the colonialists. Literally immediately, emissaries from the English government came to him. And they offered to buy a picture from him for any money. Received a refusal. In the end, the painting was stolen. And exported from Russia. Most likely the original is destroyed. But there were reproductions. You can write multi-page works. Consisting of lies and propaganda. How did the rezuni and the bunici. But the lie will remain a lie. And this picture is a ray of truth. And from this truth the Westerners are contorted and crushed, like werewolves and vampires from the ray of the sun.
      One can and should be proud of such a compatriot as the artist Vereshchagin was.
      1. Simon
        Simon 31 March 2013 15: 44
        0
        So these Anglo-Saxons and now have not changed much, to this day they say that all over the world they bring prosperity, civilization and democracy. Personally, many Russians have already tasted the fruits of their democracy, as well as other nations and have fed up with them. yes
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 30 March 2013 19: 03
      +2
      The last one is Vereshchagin, "Shooting of the sepoys",
      The first is Catherine the Virgin. I don’t know the picture. These, in my opinion, are illustrations for the book.
      The third is the engraving "Montfaucon", but from where - I will not say either. I think - V. Hugo, Les Miserables.
      Second and The fourth - "Bartholomew night", met at Prosper Mérimée, in a novel with the same title. I don't remember the name of the artist. You can also look - but .... I'm not interested in this.
  41. northwest
    northwest 30 March 2013 17: 31
    11 th
    Matthew 7: 3-And what do you look at the bitch in the eye of your brother, but do not feel the logs in your eye?
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 30 March 2013 18: 06
      +5
      You are not my brother ... (C)
      1. northwest
        northwest 30 March 2013 18: 49
        -4
        Never jump to conclusions. We are talking about the history of Europe and it is foolish to say that Russia does not belong to this civilization. And one should not forget the proverb, "Do not spit in the well from which you drink."
        1. stroporez
          stroporez 31 March 2013 12: 12
          +2
          stopudovo does not belong. WE --------------- initially others ......... and from the "well of European civilization" --- do not let any Poles and other heretics screw up .. ........
          1. Simon
            Simon 31 March 2013 15: 47
            +1
            That's right, we will drink from our clean wells. yes
        2. Babon
          Babon 31 March 2013 15: 50
          +1
          Think as you like, but I have read a lot of reviews of Western political scientists about Russia, they do not consider Russia a part of Western civilization at all, and after all, not a few think so, but about half. They do not think, we don’t need to, and then there is nothing to impose on us their "democratic" values.
        3. Kostya pedestrian
          Kostya pedestrian April 3 2013 13: 34
          0
          That's right, there is nothing for Europe to spit on Russian oil, it’s better to pay a double tariff!
    2. Фокус
      Фокус 30 March 2013 19: 28
      +5
      Quote: Nordwest
      And what are you looking at the bitch in your brother’s eye, but you don’t feel the logs in your eye?
      So take out the log from your eyes, or is Russia to blame for the destruction of the Indians in North and South America, etc.? We have all the nations alive and well. Does England have at least one document on voluntary joining the Empire, unlike Russia?
  42. zennon
    zennon 30 March 2013 18: 29
    -1
    Quote: Corsair5912
    On Bartholomew’s night, some Frenchmen slaughtered other Frenchmen for the sake of some sheer nonsense. Some for the Pope, others for the patera.
    And what's wrong with the Gulag?
    And the Pribludians, in my opinion, were subject to denazification and total stripping, but not by the method of deportation to Siberian and Ural ITLs, but by the method of drying on a strong soapy rope or brilliant green on the forehead.
    It was naive to wait for these creatures to be re-educated, these are genetic punishers and killers of women and children.


    Certificate of mortality of prisoners in the Gulag system for the period 1930-1956.

    Years Deaths% Deaths
    to the middle
    1930 * 7 980 4,2
    1931 * 7 283 2,9
    1932 * 13 197 4,8
    1933 * 67 297 15,3
    1934 * 25 187 4,28
    1935 ** 31 636 2,75
    1936 ** 24 993 2,11
    1937 ** 31 056 2,42
    1938 ** 108 654 5,35
    1939 *** 44 750 3,1
    1940 41 275 2,72
    1941 115 484 6,1
    1942 352 560 24,9
    1943 267 826 22,4
    1944 114 481 9,2
    1945 81 917 5,95
    1946 30 715 2,2
    1947 66 830 3,59
    1948 50 659 2,28
    1949 29 350 1,21
    1950 24 511 0,95
    1951 22 466 0,92
    1952 20 643 0,84
    1953 **** 9 628 0,67
    1954 8 358 0,69
    1955 4 842 0,53
    1956 3 164 0,4
    Total 1 606 748
    1. vaditi
      vaditi 31 March 2013 12: 01
      0
      Appreciate! Where the data from !?
  43. ekzorsist
    ekzorsist 30 March 2013 20: 10
    +6
    Discrimination, genocide, Nazism ... religious fanaticism ... all these are links of one chain.
    By the way, now many former Soviet republics of the USSR, such as Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, all the Baltic republics simply do not know how to lick the bottom of this "civilized" gang.
    Even in schools, the entire teaching system has been turned upside down; the history of Russia and the USSR has been perverted to the point of failure.
    This is of course idiocy, BUT from a 5th grade history lesson in a secondary school in Kazakhstan: "... since ancient times, the state of Kazakhstan has played a huge political and economic role not only in the Asian region, but throughout Europe !!!" All modern "science" not only of Kazakhstan, but also of many other former republics is full of such pearls. So they carefully cultivate ... nationalism, Nazism ... it just changes its guise ... but the goal remains the same.
    1. Earthman
      Earthman April 1 2013 02: 28
      0
      Quote: ekzorsist
      Discrimination, genocide, Nazism ... religious fanaticism ... all these are links of one chain.
      By the way, now many former Soviet republics of the USSR, such as Georgia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, all the Baltic republics simply do not know how to lick the bottom of this "civilized" gang.
      Even in schools, the entire teaching system has been turned upside down; the history of Russia and the USSR has been perverted to the point of failure.
      This is of course idiocy, BUT from a 5th grade history lesson in a secondary school in Kazakhstan: "... since ancient times, the state of Kazakhstan has played a huge political and economic role not only in the Asian region, but throughout Europe !!!" All modern "science" not only of Kazakhstan, but also of many other former republics is full of such pearls. So they carefully cultivate ... nationalism, Nazism ... it just changes its guise ... but the goal remains the same.

      Dear. Do you see only in these republics? But what about in modern Russia?
    2. Atash
      Atash April 1 2013 21: 30
      +2
      If Russia would restore order, there would be no such distortions in the republics. They themselves destroy their authority, then they are surprised. And do not put Kazakhstan's pearls on a par with neo-Nazism in the Baltic states.
  44. воронов
    воронов 30 March 2013 20: 53
    0
    "Enlightened Europe" will show its bloody grin on occasion
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 30 March 2013 23: 00
      +2
      Quote: voronov
      "Enlightened Europe" will show its bloody grin on occasion


      - It will certainly show if Russia does not stop all x-ns with these nonsense right-cryoprotective to engage and in spillikins "crap" to play.
      1. Simon
        Simon 31 March 2013 16: 31
        0
        Guys, so she already shows! Yugoslavia, Lebanon, now Syria hi
        1. stroporez
          stroporez April 2 2013 10: 28
          0
          I am sure we will find skilled dentists ..................
  45. makarich26
    makarich26 30 March 2013 21: 46
    +2
    Quote: voronov
    In Russia, before the appearance of the Bolsheviks, nothing like the Vendean hecatomb had happened. And then it happened: on the Don, in the Tambov province, in other places.

    It’s a very interesting article, but the author’s attitude to the Bolsheviks is not clear, probably he has read the wrong books in destinations.
    In Russia, even before the appearance of the Mensheviks and White Guards, nothing like the Vendean hecatomb happened. And then it happened: in Siberia, in Transbaikalia, in the Far East and in other places.
    No need to blame everything on the Reds, not everything was so simple.
  46. GreatRussia
    GreatRussia 30 March 2013 21: 51
    +1
    + to this "Unwashed Europe" and the picture is completely put together.
  47. GOLUBENKO
    GOLUBENKO 30 March 2013 22: 25
    +4
    Quote: Samuray
    It was, it was in Russia! From recent examples, the tsarist authorities suppressed the uprising in Central Asia of 1916

    This Mongolian comrade probably remembered the uprising of bad formations in Kazakhstan in 1916 under the leadership of field commander Amangeldy Imanov. You still cried for these bandits.
    In short, the story is this.
    In 1916, the Kazakhs were mobilized to be sent to the front for engineering work (digging trenches, building fortifications, etc.), but the Kazakhs did not want to please Vera, Tsar and Fatherland, taking advantage of the fact that the entire male population of Russian, Ukrainian and so on resettlement villages, as well as Cossack villages and villages located on the fronts of the First World War, began to rob and kill the elderly, women and children of the above settlements and, accordingly, steal cattle and simply rob. Emperor Nicholas II had to remove several Cossack regiments, infantry regiments with artillery from the front, and within a few months all the gangs were destroyed. So, not knowing the history, the Mongolian troll should not be made of bandits of innocent lambs, rather cowardly jackals were able to fight only with unarmed populations of women and old people, and the gut was thin against soldiers and Cossacks.
    1. zennon
      zennon 30 March 2013 22: 58
      +2
      Bravo! A long time ago this pitiful historical forum wanders around this compassionate fairy tale about the national liberation movement in Central Asia, and the ruthless Russian satraps who crushed them. It would be nice to quote, if any, quotes from modern history textbooks of these valiant states that drank shit democracy. good
    2. Samuray
      Samuray 31 March 2013 04: 49
      -2
      Well, firstly, not only gangs but also the people rebelled there, and secondly, in addition to the bandits, women and children were killed. And do not poke me please, we did not drink to the broodershaft.
    3. Atash
      Atash April 1 2013 21: 36
      +3
      The Indians also did not stand on ceremony with white women and children. So, correctly, their Europeans cut to one?
    4. Atash
      Atash April 1 2013 23: 08
      -2
      The Kazakhs had an agreement with Russia, according to which the Kazakhs were not called up for war. Violent mobilization was a violation of the de facto agreement, abuse of the letter of the agreement, in short, deception. Like, they won’t fight. They deceived the fool into four fists, as the Kazakhs understood. It was all the more insulting that the Kazakhs were made cattle incapable of fighting, and only trenches fit were suitable. This is with Kazakh military traditions. They didn’t want to fight, because there was an agreement. In short, it was a political mistake by the government of the metropolis that provoked the conflict. Government, which next year has already profiled the whole empire. Competent colonial policy is a delicate matter. It would be wise not to respond to the robbery with genocide, but to come to an agreement and bring to justice the perpetrators on the part of the Kazakhs, but we know what kind of government it was, what kind of king it was, where they belonged. And against artillery, without Russian artillery, the gut is not thick in Russians.
  48. rodevaan
    rodevaan 30 March 2013 22: 35
    +1
    [/ quote] By and large, there are no guarantees that this civilization will not return to its usual practice. This is a much, much more serious question than our Western-loving compatriots used to think. Knowing what we know about Western civilization (of which Hitler was a part), it is difficult not to state: its narcissism looks rather strange. [/ Quote]

    - Gentlemen! What are you talking about! It has long been known that this Geyropa is savages and barbarians! Only computerized. But their essence remained the same. She does not change with them.
    Not only did they not wash for years, stink like "like a wild beast" (Versailles at one time was a public impetus, ate and s-rali in the same room), I'm sorry - what kind of civilization can we talk about here?
    Uneducated greedy and cruel brat ... I will not say anything about how these fucking "civilizers" behaved when they invaded our country. I will not talk about Khatyn, and about the villages of Belarus and Ukraine, when these hordes of zapadoid super-bumblebees entered them. I’ll just give you a quote from one underdog: "On the way, we spoke with the population in the language of machine guns, we did not feel any compassion." I hope this brute, if it didn’t get a bullet in the forehead during the war, is now being fried in a pan in the next world. Read the book by A. Adamovich "I am from a fiery village" - interviews and recordings of residents who miraculously escaped, - eyewitnesses of what happened there. Gentlemen, - your eyes will turn from what this under-civilized crowd of brutal savages was doing there.

    Personally, I despised these zapadoid nits always, even when the Union was. And despise now. Because all this bastard kodla doesn’t change much - in the Middle Ages, now.

    It’s only a shame that our many cattle, succumbing to all this glossy dust, pray for these foreign Russophobes, who are afraid of the real ones like 3 heads of Russian people superior to them in all respects
    1. vaditi
      vaditi 31 March 2013 12: 08
      +1
      Well said!!!!
  49. disa
    disa 30 March 2013 22: 49
    0
    ... badly and "tasteless" I was taught history at school, so as not to "traumatize" the psyche of the poor thing ... then I would not be led like a ram to slaughter under the folklore of a marvelous capitalist tomorrow, as opposed to soviet today in the USSR ... I look now and say to yourself .. read ... read ... shake the patristic tradition to avoid the foreign plague.
  50. Zubr
    Zubr 31 March 2013 00: 54
    +2
    Quote: Sasha 19871987
    there are no words, only mothers in my head ... Anglo-Saxons in all its glory ...


    So the same fate was being prepared for us in the early 90s ... when Margaret Thatcher, clearly and clearly said: "The Russians are enough for you and 15 million of the population."
    And this was said in the presence of Gorbachev.

    Article SUPER! I wish that now in schools in elective and extra-curricular activities to cover such things.
    1. rodevaan
      rodevaan 31 March 2013 09: 56
      +2
      Quote: Zubr
      Quote: Sasha 19871987
      there are no words, only mothers in my head ... Anglo-Saxons in all its glory ...


      So the same fate was being prepared for us in the early 90s ... when Margaret Thatcher, clearly and clearly said: "The Russians are enough for you and 15 million of the population."
      And this was said in the presence of Gorbachev.

      Article SUPER! I wish that now in schools in elective and extra-curricular activities to cover such things.


      - This old bitch will sooner wait for the small-shavens to become 15 million, given the Stakhanov pace of Islamization, Arabization, Pakistanisation and the Negroization of the English island. And we are still applauding.