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Why "Uzbekistan after Karimov" will inevitably explode

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Why "Uzbekistan after Karimov" will inevitably explodeFrom Uzbekistan heard newsthat President Islam Karimov slept with a heart attack. True or not, it is not clear, for it is impossible to understand what is really happening in Tashkent and in the mandated territory.


In the informational sense, Uzbekistan has long been turned into a black hole in Central Asia, the best news of which is only the volume of currency transfers from migrants from Russia and Kazakhstan. (At the same time, Uzbekistan is the largest Central Asian state in terms of population, almost of the Ukrainian weight category).

We cannot know what is really happening with Islam Karimov. But in any case, he will have 75 years and, despite all the wonders of medicine of the XXI century, in the very near future we will see a political crisis in Tashkent. Because a change of power is always a crisis. Suffice it to recall Moscow-1993, Tbilisi-2003, Kiev-2004, Bishkek-2005.

Therefore, Uzbekistan inevitably expects the cruelest scrapping. Moreover, the main risks are contained not in how exactly the “successor” special operation will be carried out or failed, but in the fact that the society that Islam Karimov built for the 22 of the year in Uzbekistan cannot but explode.

Inadequate world view

“Sociology, of course, is pseudoscience, but I don’t have anything better for you” is a common joke of a post-Soviet political consultant who has faced the typical reaction of a typical elitist to objective political reality.

We do not know the society in which we live. And if in Russia there are still sociologists who really monitor the situation in society systematically and for decades, in other national fragments of the empire, sociology has long been turned into a branch of election manipulations and disinformation.

"Citizens of Uzbekistan are looking into the future with great optimism, positively assessing the planned deepening of reforms in all areas in 2013 year ...",

"90 percent of respondents believe that in the coming year the socio-economic situation in the country will become even better ...", "80 percent of survey participants rated the socio-economic situation in their area and city as good and stable ..." - this Excerpts from the latest sociological survey, commissioned by the official Tashkent at the beginning of 2013.

I doubt that in Eurasia there is a state where 90% of residents believe that life is beautiful. Not sure that there is such a state in Europe or North America. Maybe this picture was observed in some small island offshore at the peak of financial speculation in 2007-2008. Moreover, my doubts have a purely professional basis - I happened to conduct and order hundreds of sociological polls of different sampling depths, built on different methods and conducted in different parts of Eurasia from Lviv to Irkutsk. It was not necessary to spend in Uzbekistan, but take my word for it - 90% support for the party and the government does not exist.

It is clear that the picture that Tashkent sociologists draw to the Tashkent authorities has nothing to do with reality. For no other purpose than to appease Islam Karimov does not seem to exist for Uzbek sociologists.

It is interesting to compare the data of the official Tashkent opinion poll with research among labor migrants from Central Asia in Moscow.

So, the families of the migrants interviewed in 75% of cases stayed at home, 73% of newcomers send money home.

15% of respondents receive less than 15 thousand rubles for their work. More than 30 thousand rubles receive only 7% of respondents, which, as you understand, is more than modest for Moscow, especially considering that they spend mostly not on themselves. Interestingly, 88% of respondents consider themselves happy.

The question arises: if 90% of citizens living in Uzbekistan are satisfied with the situation, then why do people leave there? And why do the overwhelming majority of those who left, who are forced to live in not the best conditions, work hard and still feed their families, feel happy in a strange and cold Moscow? Nekladushku.

The answer lies on the surface: a society built in Uzbekistan does not imply veracity at the concept level. The ugliness of the neo-feudal model, about the risk of a slide into which Kazakhstan was told by our Eurasian comrade from Astana, has been formed in Uzbekistan for a very long time. But the worst thing is that no one truly knows what kind of society is built and what risks it contains.

Uzbekistan's risk zone

According to the official doctrine of Independent Uzbekistan, which painfully resembles the other versions of post-Soviet nationalism, in 1991, the state broke free from totalitarian, inhuman oppression. Retelling the details of the Uzbek national concept does not make much sense, because it is no different from the Moldovan, Georgian, Ukrainian, and even the Russian national version, except for the names and surnames of national heroes.

It’s just that in the Uzbek version the thesis about oppression sounds particularly funny, considering that among Uzbeks in 1897, the literacy rate was 4% of the population, and by 1989, 99%. It is also fun to read news from Tashkent about the banning of Santa Claus and Snow Maiden on children's matinees and chapters from a school textbook, where the artist Vereshchagin personally shoots the captured Uzbeks and drops the mullah from the minaret.

In fact, everything with the national concept of the name of Islam Karimov is very clear. Just as it is clear why he needed it - in order to build neo-feudalism, it is necessary to close society as far as possible from external influences. And of course - no integration.

Nationalism is the best recipe for the ideological justification of neo-feudalism. Upstairs - Islam Karimov, who tirelessly struggling with the legacy of the occupation. Around him are loyal vassals who received their share of power in exchange for loyalty. And on the ground - the population, which on 90% is quite happening and in every way supports the policy of the party. This or very similar picture of the world is formed in the first person of Independent Uzbekistan.

But Islam Karimov himself understands the risks inherent in the society he built. Thus, speaking at a celebratory meeting on the nineteenth anniversary of the adoption of the Constitution, he urged citizens not to feel nostalgic for the USSR, and young people not to succumb to the propaganda of the Union. “In the near future, forces are being activated in the post-Soviet space, which, taking advantage of the fact that the younger generation does not have a sufficient idea of ​​the recent storiesThey strive to bring nostalgia for the Soviet past through fictions. With all this, forgetting about the totalitarian essence of the Soviet empire, the collapse of which was justified, first of all, by political, economic and ideological inconsistency, ”said Karimov. The question arises - why Karimov is so afraid of Allied nostalgia, if 90% support him and believe in his wise decisions? The answer is obvious.

So, what we have at the exit. The most populous republic of Central Asia over the 20 years of the undivided power of Islam Karimov has turned into an absolutely closed society of the neo-feudal type, where the most active part of the population has been ousted into labor emigration. A state was built where the worst Soviet models remained, such as exit visas or the inability to exchange currency, except for a virtual one. Post-Soviet delights were added to the worst Soviet models, such as forced labor in cotton fields for 20 dollars per month and non-denominated national currency, when citizens go shopping with a bag full of money.

But these are nuances. The main conclusions are that a society, about which we know little, according to indirect data is such an explosive mixture that it will inevitably rupture after the death or resignation of Karimov himself. Neo-feudalism cannot be preserved in the 30 million state, which borders Afghanistan, has territorial and resource claims to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, and is actively arming the United States. The poor sociology of Uzbekistan tells us that the tangle of contradictions woven by Islam Karimov during the construction of a family-type dictatorship (in addition, strictly secular: it’s cool with its own Islamists) will begin to be tackled in the very near future.

And the scenarios that we will see in the coming 3-5 years will be a real test for the CSTO and the future of the Eurasian Union. But the prerequisites for these scenarios will be the following text.
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  1. Deniska999
    Deniska999 31 March 2013 08: 02 New
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    why is Karimov so afraid of allied nostalgia


    Because then people lived calmer.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 08: 18 New
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      Here it is sho, then the Snow Maiden, Santa Claus and Vereshchagin. And here I am sitting and I think that this is an Uzbek guest of Saita who told everyone about the Russian villains who milked the economy of Uzbekistan and lived at the expense of the Uzbeks. He is probably one of the 90% happy laughing
      Karimov will fall to a pine tree, the United States will get plenty of money there, although he has contacted them now, but I'm afraid he will become superfluous in any situation, even if he lives another year.
    2. avt
      avt 31 March 2013 09: 28 New
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      Quote: Deniska999
      Because then people lived calmer.

      good I would add, easier - but more worthy.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 31 March 2013 09: 53 New
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        Quote: avt
        Quote: Deniska999
        Because then people lived calmer.

        good I would add, easier - but more worthy.

        I would add more humane people were, on the street they didn’t pass people in need of medical care, and they didn’t rummage in their pockets.
        1. Russian
          Russian 31 March 2013 11: 58 New
          +7
          Well, this is more than enough with us!
          Now in our country money rules everything, people are constantly in a hurry, they do not pay attention to other people's problems. Yes, and in the streets in the dark, no one even had thoughts to fear. But, as our liberals will say, now you can find whatever you want to find and buy, any goods, there would only be money, but was the price too expensive for this? And was it necessary to do this?
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 31 March 2013 13: 01 New
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          Quote: Hudo
          I would add more humane people were, on the street they didn’t pass people in need of medical care, and they didn’t rummage in their pockets.
          - You can listen to a lot of rumors about Uzbekistan, but this is not true. They have there for a car theft - execution, for theft - about the same thing. They live poorly, but do not steal each other in explicit form. Even bureaucrats steal looking around, for only members of the Family can steal.
          The author himself suggests that for society in Uzbekistan. Having impoverished Soviet society, Karimov did not change anything in the regime. And as a result of impoverishment, all the best Soviet things we were proud of — science, education, developed industry, medical services — were completely lost, preserved only in the form of islands in Tashkent itself and a couple of other cities. And the worst of the conscience of the past, on the contrary, bloomed in lush color.
          So if the Russians have to fight (not in the literal sense, but at the level of diplomacy, politics and the level of special services) with amers for influencing this country, then it should be easier for Russians - they know better the mentality of these people and better know what they basic values ​​to offer. And the amers will sing again their old song "freedom, tolerance, democracy" laughing laughing Russians just need to convey to the locals - about freedom - yes, they will be allowed to leave, but transport tickets will be so priced that freedom will be just a nice abstract concept for the absolute majority. And in Russia and in Kazakhstan, isn’t that so? Who will deny? But in the USSR it was very difficult to travel abroad for administrative reasons, but inside the USSR - well, judge for yourself - a ticket for IL-86 “Alma-Ata-Moscow-Alma-Ata” cost only 16 rubles 80 kopecks with my salary of 180 rubles. That was real freedom. Now I admit - to take my family to the same Emirates, I postpone the year, in any other way. And this is not freedom, it is the extension of the veins.
          Okay, distracted. I think that the Russian competent need to step up and begin to carry out work - Uzbekistan is a very important country for the Eurasian Union. Without it, this Union is a non-Union, as well as without Ukraine.
          1. avt
            avt 31 March 2013 13: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: aksakal
            I think that the Russian competent need to step up and begin to carry out work - Uzbekistan is a very important country for the Eurasian Union. Without it, this Union is a non-Union, as well as without Ukraine.

            That would have completely subscribed if not one small little problem. What is the Eurasian Union? request There are not even normal documents establishing that there is a signed Union State. This is with Belarus !! And you propose to harness for Uzbekistan, and in the worst case scenario, you will have to harness not childishly, abruptly, in Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. So first let the Nazis understand what level they are ready to go, agree with Russia. And so for sure, on the example of Ukraine and Cyprus, they can only be sure that you’ll take horseradish from the GDP from a plate of money for a good life. laughing Moreover, it will only get worse, the world money pyramid on the edge, there will be no easy money. But to write off debt due to war, so be hello. So to say, I forgive everyone I’m a favorite business of any banker, and at the world level, the Yankees are banking .
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 31 March 2013 17: 21 New
              +6
              Quote: avt
              And so for sure, on the example of Ukraine and Cyprus, they can only be sure that you’ll take horseradish from the GDP from a plate of money for a good life.
              - It is clear that the GDP is not Medvedev, it is not scattered either in money or in countries and for no reason gives anything. Only in exchange for really interesting things for Russia.
              Uzbekistan has such things - this is primarily its geopolitical position. A strong and stable Uzbekistan in a strategic alliance with Russia, and even better in the Eurasian space (documents are not signed, but they are working, the Nazis are trying to find a unification architecture so that both the wolves are fed and the sheep are whole. This is difficult, because the search will be to go another two years minimum (if not more) - this is a buffer from Afghanistan and other evil spirits from the Middle East, a serious obstacle to drug trafficking.
              In the economic sense, Uzbekistan is cotton (Ivanovo will be provided with raw materials), it is fruit (in Kamchatka grapes that rotted during the peak season cost 500 rubles, this is by no means!) And catering at a normal level throughout Russia. It's no secret - the level of catering in Russia leaves much to be desired. The Uzbeks are much better off with this; they could export it instead of the McDonald's slop.
              1. avt
                avt 31 March 2013 18: 12 New
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                Quote: aksakal
                (the documents are not signed, but they are working, the Nazis are trying to find such a union architecture that both the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. This is difficult, because the search will go on for another two years, at least, if not more) -
                I will dwell only on one point. Do you think there are at least two years, or even more? I'm not sure. request And being an optimist by nature, in this case I see more negative factors than ways to solve the problem. It remains only to hide behind the phrase banal, wait and see. request
      2. nakaz
        nakaz 31 March 2013 12: 36 New
        +4
        If the Uzbeks have opened the arms of the United States, then write is gone. And now we have got another potential hot spot near us.
    3. kris
      kris 31 March 2013 09: 45 New
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      in a word- BASMACHI!
    4. Hudo
      Hudo 31 March 2013 09: 48 New
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      Quote: Deniska999
      why is Karimov so afraid of allied nostalgia


      Because then people lived calmer.


      Hmm, Karimov and his nukers are most afraid that the people of Uzbekistan do not remember the eastern version of the tale of Hans Christian Andersen's “New Dress of the King”. If the people find out that the padishah is naked, then there will be that ax of Bashkir to the padishah, and kirdyg to the nukers.
      1. Dmitry T
        Dmitry T 31 March 2013 10: 53 New
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        They are happy to be in Russia ... I am not happy. Especially offensive, Uzbekistan 94-95, father-in-law said that in some areas they were driven out of houses with smoke from tires and sticks. To sell real estate was generally unrealistic. This has already been experienced in Kazakhstan. And yes, there was a “pile of races" everywhere, I received such replicas at school at that time, and more from Kazakh teachers than students. Will the visa regime give anything, I hope so. You can forgive, of course, everything, but reluctance to share my work. stop Let them inject at home. good
        1. smile
          smile 31 March 2013 13: 27 New
          +3
          Dmitry T
          And after that they are supposedly sincerely surprised that they aren’t very fond of them in Russia ... even on this site quite decent people from the same Kazakhstan claim with a blue eye - yes, we with our Russians are soul to soul .... the question is ours refugees say otherwise, they are not refugees, but run-away party functionaries .... they’re not even ashamed! .. so I absolutely agree with you.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 31 March 2013 17: 02 New
            +2
            Oh again ..
            Hello Friend" hi

            I have one question current .. Well, in your opinion .. Kazakhs - mudaki
            But why, in almost every country of the former USSR, Russophobia bloomed in a violent color?!? request
            In the Baltic states, the Caucasus, Ukraine and other Kazakhs, it seems there are no Kazakhs (practically)

            The whole company goes out of step, one lieutenant steps in the leg

            From the story (chap. 10) "Duel»(1905) Alexander Ivanovich Kuprin (1870 — 1938). The words of the company commander, Captain Plum.
            “... Plum was bugging and pulling up young officers, using unceremonious, biting tactics, to which his innate hellish humor gave a special causticity. If, for example, a sub-alternative officer got off his feet, he shouted, stuttering slightly out of habit:
            From, out of it. The whisker company, damn it, is not keeping up. One p-second lieutenant is keeping up. ”
            Used: as an ironic commentary on the behavior of a person who considers only one himself to be right.

            Encyclopedic Dictionary of winged words and expressions. - M .: Lokid-Press. Vadim Serov. 2003.
          2. aksakal
            aksakal 31 March 2013 20: 21 New
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            Quote: Dmitry T
            This has already been experienced in Kazakhstan.


            Quote: smile
            even on this site, quite decent people from the same Kazakhstan claim with a blue eye - yes, we are with our Russians heart to heart .... the question is, our refugees say differently, they are not refugees, but escaped party functionaries .... they don’t even ashamed! .. so I totally agree with you.

            - Are you accusing me of lying? Intends to prove the opposite. I intend to prove that Dmitry, and you, Smile, are lying. And if such sentiments became widespread in Russia, then I am sorry for the Russian people. And how else to relate to the people who began to fade in the soul and at the same time still dreaming of some greatness on the world stage? Sorry, but how to evaluate this? To stoop to petty lies, slandering friendly people - and what would I leave without due appreciation?
            And now the facts. Here is a living resource: http://vse.kz/topic/502597-pereezd-iz-belarusi-v-kazahstan/ Read how the girl Maria asked in connection with the upcoming move from Minsk to Almaty the opinions about Kazakhstan of such small souls of liars " Dmitriev ", read how they" lowered "my beloved city, how frightened by the facts of eating Russian babies alive by natives right on the streets of Almaty, Mary complained that her husband could not be dissuaded! And be sure to read the real fact, the real golimaya truth from the very eyewitness Mary right here: http: //vse.kz/topic/502597-pereezd-iz-belarusi-v-kazahstan/page__st__
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            And I will quote that there would be no doubt:
            Thanks to all everyone for the answers and advice !!!! Before arrival, I read a lot in nete, watched videos and photos and there was already some opinion, BUT! Arriving here I realized that it is better to see once than to hear 100 times!
            I VERY well recovered city and especially PEOPLE! I don’t know, maybe living in the midst of cunning, arrogance, cunning and rudeness (I don’t characterize anyone’s people, I’m talking about the costs of modern civilization, especially in some circles), you get used to it and take it for granted ... But here, I had cultural shock, when they sincerely helped me, prompted and advised. It is very nice ! Almaty residents +100000000000 !!!!!!! You are super!)))))))
            .
            This is true against a lie from Dmitry.
            And in order to consolidate all this, I ask Dmitry to throw me the school and the city where he lived, I often wind around Kazakhstan, I will go to that school and provide all the material, including photos.
            And yet - I'm waiting for the minuses at the post from Dmitry, because a lie here deserves only negative ratings! There will be pluses - I will draw my conclusions, I do not intend to endure such crap further!
            1. Dmitry T
              Dmitry T 31 March 2013 23: 57 New
              +3
              Aksakal, I was not going to offend anyone, I always treated the Kazakhs well, alas, there are reasons for the Uzbeks alas. I tried to convey the events of that tense moment, for that period of time. I know that it’s different now, but this is already when about 4 million Russians left Kazakhstan. I have many friends there, Kazakhs, Russians and Koreans, many relatives stayed to live, my first school love is Russian, married to a Kazakh, they have wonderful children, mestizos are always very beautiful. Think for yourself why I should lie. Moreover, these are the things of the past years. As for the city - this is Taldy-Korgan. We lived in the 5th micro-district 1979-1994. Why do you need a school? bully And the teachers, yes, sent us to Russia. Moreover, teachers of history, Kazakh, culture of the peoples of Kazakhstan (KNK) - this was the subject. Maybe in Kazakhstan, some people also chopped? And do not judge them all?
              1. aksakal
                aksakal April 1 2013 00: 50 New
                +5
                Well, I guess I somehow misunderstood you. And probably, at that moment when the events of 1986 on the square in Almaty were still completely fresh in memory, emotions and others had not cooled down. I didn’t want to offend you and am ready apologize, and I bring them, just really hurt such posts. Kazakhstan is a multinational country, we cannot afford ethnic strife, and we cannot offend Russians, because then we need to offend Uyghurs, Chechens, Koreans and almost a hundred other ethnic groups. It is not true what they print, I live here, I have a best friend - Russian, my younger sister has a husband - a Russian guy. At our weddings at all weddings, the host is necessarily bilingual, and always duplicates all his remarks in Russian, or even up to 70% holds a wedding in Russian. And when on the same site that I brought to you, those who left watered my homeland like that, it hurts me. After all, they are writing the lie !!! And the girl that Maria clearly indicated, however, very softly and diplomatically - "I came and made sure - you exaggerate, and in some places you are simply lying!", If you translate that quote into normal Russian.
                Thank you for your post.
                1. Dmitry T
                  Dmitry T April 1 2013 05: 33 New
                  +4
                  Jacques, let's not quarrel drinks
            2. zvereok
              zvereok April 1 2013 09: 34 New
              +4
              Kazakh worked in our office, so he quit and went home to Almaatu, since there the salary of the analyst was quite comparable with the Moscow one. This is why, when the Union collapsed and everyone began to live poorly, nationalism began to bloom in the Small splinter fragments of the Union. He was also in Russia, but to a much lesser extent than in sovereign ones - no one drove out trying to take possession of the property. This is apparently due to the inertia of large areas. Then the situation normalized and in Russia, against the background of Chechen companies and migrant flows in broad layers, nationalism also began to develop. Moreover, he appeared to be publicized by the government, which, on the one hand, helps business structures, by the way, openly violates the law, and on the other, receives real leverage with which you can turn off the neck of any upstart politician - do your job a year before the election and put things in order immigration.

              So it’s not the people, it’s the politicians who encourage a breeding ground for the growth of nationalism (and our Russian politicians).

              For me, if emigration was legal to it, there wouldn’t be such a rejection in Russian society, and this rejection is projected to the homeland of migrants (from Kazakhstan, a fairly rich oil / gas producing state, there is practically no illegal migration).
        2. mark021105
          mark021105 31 March 2013 23: 20 New
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          If there is a normal relationship, if Russian business freely enters there, without tricks with conversion, then the people will not have to go anywhere, they will remain on the job.
          1. zvereok
            zvereok April 1 2013 09: 47 New
            +1
            Although I am Russian, I somehow understand the problems that MTS had in the republics, if they stole the same money from subscriber accounts there, as it was with us.
        3. zvereok
          zvereok April 1 2013 09: 15 New
          +1
          The Russian government is considering an increase in quotas for migrants. Well, at least in the past year, I did not remember how it ended. But our business, like air, needs migrants in order to save excess income. Well, in fact, do not pay the Russians a normal salary?
    5. starshina78
      starshina78 31 March 2013 12: 40 New
      +6
      The answer to this question is not how people lived in the USSR, but that Karimov is afraid of any integration in the post-Soviet space. CSTO, SCO, T G G (a common economic space is not for him. He’s like a sly fox. The situation worsened a few years ago in Uzbekistan, when unrest began in the Ferghana Valley, so he turned to Russia for help after accusations of terror of the local population by countries The European Union and the US He immediately joined the CSTO and other organizations dominated by Russia, as soon as the situation improved, the USA changed their minds about Karimov and his policies, so he immediately left all organizations and rushed into the arms of the USA One word is a chameleon!
      1. str73
        str73 31 March 2013 14: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: starshina78 One word - a chameleon!

        I would say simpler: prostitute!
        1. Earthman
          Earthman 31 March 2013 21: 25 New
          +3
          Quote: str73
          I would say simpler: prostitute!

          Are you fucked up? What do you allow yourself?
          1. Octavian avgust
            Octavian avgust 31 March 2013 21: 39 New
            +2
            Quote: Earthman
            Are you fucked up? What do you allow yourself?

            Well, what are you getting in there? He may not forgive ... but who is better off from this?
            1. Earthman
              Earthman April 1 2013 02: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Octavian avgust
              Well, what are you getting in there? He may not forgive ... but who is better off from this?

              There is political correctness. Didn't you try to wean me from mats?
              1. Octavian avgust
                Octavian avgust April 1 2013 10: 08 New
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                Quote: Earthman
                There is political correctness. Didn't you try to wean me from mats?

                Yes, there is such a word. But there is a word political prostitute proposed by V.I. Lenin. It just fits yes
  2. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 31 March 2013 08: 18 New
    +9
    Close the borders, otherwise migrants will flood in the Russian Federation.
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2013 09: 29 New
      +8
      Quote: Krasnoyarets
      Close the borders, otherwise migrants will flood in the Russian Federation.

      Twenty years late for commercials, request Alas!
    2. воронов
      воронов 31 March 2013 18: 28 New
      +1
      Firstly, Russia does not directly border with Uzbekistan. Secondly, all movement goes through the border of Russia with Kazakhstan, the longest, which is technically and practically impossible to close, but now it is not possible to close politically either, because Kazakhstan and Russia are in a single customs union, then this union must be broken up. In the third, migrants poured into Russia as 20 years ago. In the fourth, if Uzbekistan is expected to be shocked in the near future, then Russia will not be enough. And fifth think before what to write about closing borders
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 31 March 2013 08: 25 New
    +7
    Russia would have to receive a debt (about $ 700 million), enough to do charity work. Uzbekistan is now "nicer" to cooperate with the United States rather than with Russia. What of course are not satisfied in Moscow. Here you have to pick up and start building a policy from scratch.
    “Our Uzbek partners should carefully analyze all the possible consequences of expanding military cooperation with the United States. Then, perhaps, they will understand that if the situation in the region worsens after 2014, the security of their country will be best secured not by the United States, but by the CSTO partners. ”- declared in the Russian foreign ministry.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 March 2013 09: 58 New
      +4
      Quote: fenix57
      “Our Uzbek partners should carefully analyze all the possible consequences of expanding military cooperation with the United States. Then, perhaps, they will understand that in the event of an aggravation of the situation in the region after 2014, the security of their country will be best secured not by the United States, but by CSTO partners, ”the Russian foreign ministry said.


      If these words of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation are not heard, or are ignored, then the deaf and very clever are waiting for big trouble, and the neighbors of Uzbekistan will have another headache.
    2. Egoza
      Egoza 31 March 2013 11: 06 New
      +6
      Yeah! Russia will require a debt and there will be someone on whom the failure of the economy and the impairment of life will be blamed! But I must say that the Uzbeks have long been susceptible to the disease "infringement on a national basis." Even when I was studying at the Institute of Foreign Languages, a group of Uzbeks was sent to us who did not go to the Institute of Oriental Studies by competition, but agreed to study at a Ukrainian university. Without any exams, of course, but simply to help the fraternal republic of Uzbekistan. So one girl on the exam, really made a mistake in the answer, but blamed the teacher for lowering her grade because she does not speak Ukrainian! Although everyone later proved to her in Russian that the language had nothing to do with it. Everyone answered in the language that was convenient! In addition, the concepts - all theaters are a hotbed of prostitution, you don’t know what it means to work in the fields, we provide the whole army and country with cotton, otherwise you would all go naked .... so neo-feudalism was returned from scratch.
  4. pinecone
    pinecone 31 March 2013 08: 29 New
    +3
    Selling media outlets about the "leakage" of capital from the Russian Federation have subsided, and after all, the volumes of the export of currency to all these countries have become enormous, while the cries of the need to attract additional "investments" have not ceased to this day.
  5. riding
    riding 31 March 2013 08: 34 New
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    Old Uzbeks recall the Soviet past with great warmth, and no talk of a totalitarian legacy will help the Uzbek authorities kill this memory. In addition, a totalitarian state is a horror story of Western political scientists, the most adequate of which understood that in the West there is no freedom, but there is a totalitarian domination of money.
  6. Fox
    Fox 31 March 2013 08: 42 New
    +8
    there are positive aspects ... a little, but about literacy ... sad now in Uzbekistan. my grandfather and grandmother in the 30s "removed from the trees" Uzbek teachers worked there. My ancestors were not of high opinion about the Uzbeks, which is not You can say about the Turkmens. Yes, and the representatives of Uzbekistan and sympathizers, my PERFECTION ancestors owned Uzbek, Turkmen and knew Tajik, so they spoke with the natives in their languages.
    1. Stone
      Stone 31 March 2013 23: 20 New
      +1
      When did you get off the tree yourself?
    2. Stone
      Stone 31 March 2013 23: 21 New
      +2
      When did you get off the tree yourself?
  7. Semurg
    Semurg 31 March 2013 09: 04 New
    +7
    well, let the gods and revolutionaries wait for the change of leader both Uzbeks and Kazakhs. It would be nice if they didn’t immediately go to the grave, but name and leave the receiver, in this respect the EBN did the right thing. I don’t know how Uzbeks, and the Kazakhs will accept the receiver, etc. the authority of the NAS is high. Of course, the slabs near the NAS will sing to him that he is great and not replaceable, but I hope he has the wisdom to prepare the receiver and leave beautifully. Well, if the Uzbeks explode the sparks will fly in all directions little will not seem to anyone. this is probably possible, but in the article it sounds like gloating that the assiduous Uzbeks and Kazakhs cannot build their own state, although building the state seems to me not a quick question. As long as the people and the elite gain experience and knowledge, there are a lot of cones to fill.
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2013 10: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Semurg
      I don’t know how Uzbeks are, and Kazakhs will accept the receiver because the authority of the NAS is high. Of course, the slabs near the NAS will sing to him that he is great and not replaceable, but I hope he has the wisdom to prepare the receiver and leave beautifully

      I agree. But it looks like Den Xiao Ping is not enough.
      Quote: Semurg
      Well, if the Uzbeks explode the sparks will fly in all directions, little will not seem to anyone. It is probably possible to predict this, but in the article it sounds like gloating that asshole Uzbeks and Kazakhs cannot build their own state, although building a state seems to me to be a quick question. the people and the elite will gain experience and knowledge should fill a lot of cones.

      Maybe it’s so on your part, but stuffing such cones inevitably leads to a big headache not only in you, but also in Russia. And we and our problems above our heads and other people’s smut are very inappropriate, and even with a national flavor.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 31 March 2013 12: 41 New
        +3
        Yes, Den Xiao Ping is a value, I think at least 50% of it would be good. And rightly, no one needs other people's problems, only in a fire sparks are not asked where to fly. And since God forbid to live in times of change in a Chinese proverb, I personally need perestroika and the collapse of the USSR is enough for the eyes.
    2. antidote
      antidote 31 March 2013 16: 28 New
      +5
      There is no hint about Kazakhstan in the article. You have to think too low about your own nation to look for hints in yourself in any text about your neighbors. Nonsense. The level of life in Kazakhstan is clearly higher, and only some Russians and the upper layer of Kazakhs who leave Kazakhstan fear uncertainty after the departure of the NAS.
      1. воронов
        воронов 31 March 2013 18: 39 New
        +3
        [quote = antidot] "... and only some Russians leave Kazakhstan ...". about "some Russians" you are probably misleading the people, because. from Kazakhstan since the collapse of the Union, a significant number of Russian and Russian-speaking population, as well as Germans, left
        1. Marek Rozny
          Marek Rozny April 23 2013 23: 12 New
          0
          and how many Russians left Russia? and how many Germans do you have left?
  8. djon3volta
    djon3volta 31 March 2013 09: 21 New
    +5
    $ 100 in Uzbekistan is a lot of money, in Russia it’s so-so, in Europe it’s a “penny” .. but comrade commentators, when you start to take into account not only the amount of money, but also the price of life ??? yesterday argued about Norway, so they rub me in about the amount of gasoline. what’s it that I don’t understand gasoline for?

    I’ll tell you so, you can live for 10 thousand rubles in Russia, it’s poor but poor, you can live for 20 thousand more confidently. Isn’t it? But try living in Europe for 1000 euros a month, stretch your skis, understand?

    prices in uzbekistan. http://www.fergananews.com/articles/6927
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 09: 50 New
      +3
      Quote: djon3volta

      I will tell you so, for 10 thousand rubles in Russia you can live, poorly at the worst, but you can

      This is where in Russia you can live on chervonets?
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 31 March 2013 09: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        This is where in Russia you can live on chervonets?

        how where? I say in Russia. People live on this money and do not complain.
        do you look at Europe, why are the strikes taking place? and in Cyprus what are the people rallying then? because people are being cut and salaries cut. Have you seen strikes like the European in Russia? I can’t remember except Pikalevo when Putin arrived and personally figured out. Besides Pikolevo can you remember something else?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 10: 16 New
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          I say the same in Russia.

          We see living in different Russia.
          Quote: djon3volta
          .y in Russia saw strikes like European

          Sakhalin will come and tell you about salaries in Russia, he saw! Why I don’t bring it myself, you’re all in doubt. You think that a salary of 50-60 thousand rubles is fantastic.
          Quote: djon3volta
          except Pikolevo can you still remember something?

          In Pikalyovo I couldn’t give an example of a plant in Arsenyev where helicopters do, the turner's salary in the region is 60 thousand a month. I can bring about 80 thousand per month on shifts. You talked about plastic windows there, maybe you can tell how much they earn wink
          1. djon3volta
            djon3volta 31 March 2013 11: 01 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            We see living in different Russia.

            see in different .. someone is 50 thousand a little, and someone and 10 thousand enough.
            1. kush62
              kush62 31 March 2013 11: 32 New
              +3
              Everyone has different salaries, needs too. But the difference is that someone earns. and someone just wants to receive. Well, counting grandmothers in someone else’s pocket is simply happiness for some. Work is necessary, not whining.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 12: 08 New
              +2
              Quote: djon3volta
              see in different..who is 50 thousand a little,

              and you go your child to school, collect the top ten on a modest .a eat what will you?
            3. Simon
              Simon 31 March 2013 14: 18 New
              +5
              Guys, well enough to argue, for money and a waste. In the villages, peasants live and rejoice at the minimum pension, while for someone there is not enough lemon per month.
          2. zvereok
            zvereok April 1 2013 10: 20 New
            0
            I get paid 50, the wife of 14 (8 salary, plus bonuses). If on sick leave - 8 thousand. We live in 10 km. from Moscow.
      2. awerkiev
        awerkiev 31 March 2013 12: 04 New
        +4
        Yes, in our village in the Krasnodar Territory there are a lot of such families ... They live and they don’t have anything!
      3. Gregazov
        Gregazov 31 March 2013 12: 50 New
        +1
        Well, of course not in Moscow. And candidate of technical sciences, associate professor, associate professor of the department of the university in Novocherkassk just receives such a salary. It’s easier for me to get a military pension, but civilian employees live on that money. At the same time, I ask you to consider that there are teachers without a degree and in the position of assistant.
      4. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 13: 16 New
        0
        In the rooming house, and in the Kremlin buffet .....
      5. DeerIvanovich
        DeerIvanovich 31 March 2013 13: 59 New
        +3
        it’s really possible to live in Moscow for 10 thousand, Asians live, why cann’t they live for highbrow Muscovites, they will live! and in a village in the Nechernozmye they generally live for 2-3 thousand, or rather survive ... mainly due to the subsidiary plots.
        1. zvereok
          zvereok April 1 2013 10: 34 New
          0
          And homeless people generally live without salaries and benefits.
          Asians do not pay housing or pay a penny. Clothing from Asians in the country, really better and cheaper sold.

          I now know that s / p in Tver, for example, a prepresnik in the printing house - 35 thousand (with hack 45), the security guard in the same penny 20 thousand. The shift supervisor is either 25 or 30 (it was four years ago a relative worked). The storekeeper is now working on the outskirts of Tver 30 thousand receives (or rather received 2 years ago).
      6. zvereok
        zvereok April 1 2013 10: 13 New
        +1
        A bread machine reduces the cost of bread by 30-40%, compared to a store, while you know that bread is made from flour, salt, sugar, yeast and milk, but it’s not clear what. A meat grinder in the house allows you to make minced meat from fatty pieces of pork (it turns out better than a store). Cereal pasta. The eggs. Once a month fish. Vegetables. Fruits. It turns out 8-10 thousand for food (I, Wife, Daughter). Another 6 thousand for rent. 2300 to the kindergarten (they promise to raise up to 7 thousand, this or next year). On average, I get out onto the 2500 road (I’m motivated to work in Moscow), my wife works near the house. Total: 15000, excluding clothing, medicines, repairs (household appliances, apartments, etc.) and other unforeseen expenses, including and entertainment, just survival. Hmmm. the rest goes to a mortgage.
    2. dark_65
      dark_65 31 March 2013 10: 20 New
      +1
      In Europe, you’ll live quietly for a thousand euros, without checking, as we have for 10000 rubles, verified.
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 31 March 2013 11: 09 New
        +2
        Quote: dark_65
        In Europe, you’ll live quietly for a thousand euros, without checking, as we have for 10000 rubles, verified.

        so I’m talking about this principle - that in Russia there are 10 thousand, that in Europe 1000 euros, the standard of living will be approximately the same. Besides Moscow and St. Petersburg, of course. although the housing and communal services in Moscow are almost the same that for 2-3 thousand km from MKAD and salaries are 2-5 times higher.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 11: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: dark_65
        , as we have for 10000 rubles, verified.

        Internet, telephone, utility room - 5000 mowers! We will continue to consider whether there are products or clothes, but if you proceed from the cost of living set by officials then it’s clear that there are no questions hi
        1. DeerIvanovich
          DeerIvanovich 31 March 2013 14: 05 New
          +1
          Well, of course, if you do not save ... I pay 3 pieces for all services in Moscow, and not in Zamkadye, I use the services wisely, there are enough 5 for food ... checked.
          If you yourself cannot moderate your appetites, then do not get used to talking for the rest
      3. kush62
        kush62 31 March 2013 11: 34 New
        0
        You can't live in 1000 for Europe. No need to talk about what you don’t know. You will immediately give more than half for housing.
        1. not good
          not good 31 March 2013 12: 10 New
          +4
          An Uzbek driver working in our office, sends home about $ 200, says that the family lives in abundance. During his work (about 6 years) he built a house there, bought lamb and even sponsored a vineyard for the family. He visits his homeland every six months, but his family comes here It’s not going to transport. In general, a person is happy, but the funniest thing is the introduction of a visa regime and asks the leadership not to take Uzbeks to work wink
          1. воронов
            воронов 31 March 2013 18: 56 New
            +2
            That's right, why does he need competitors
          2. Khamsin
            Khamsin 31 March 2013 21: 10 New
            +1
            Uzbekistan has low prices for products. There is little land, therefore, on any piece of land, whatever be sure to grow. Families are mostly large. I talked with a taxi driver, during the daytime at work, he’s kalym at night, for example, a salary of one thousand rubles a month and a bag of flour costs eight hundred rubles ... In Tashkent, many times it was really a star of the east!
      4. zvereok
        zvereok April 1 2013 10: 38 New
        0
        To one person who is not burdened with children, who never breaks down anything in the house (even if you repair it yourself - the cost of materials), who do not need to pay for transport, use the Internet at a minimum, a minimum of telephone calls, don’t buy medicine, don’t buy clothes. Yes, it is quite possible. Well, it’s good to still live somewhere in the village where the eggs will be 20 p. ten and not 40 p. like we have.

        Well, in the sense, the formula is 4tys a quarter. Fee, and 6000 thousand for food is quite effective for yourself, until your shoes fall apart.
    3. воронов
      воронов 31 March 2013 18: 44 New
      +1
      [quote = djon3volta]

      “I will tell you so, you can live on 10 thousand rubles in Russia ...” You probably meant that you can’t live for a month in Russia, but exist laughing
    4. mark021105
      mark021105 31 March 2013 23: 32 New
      +2
      Quote: djon3volta
      $ 100 in Uzbekistan is a lot of money


      Those days have long passed ... Prices in Uzbekistan are almost equal to Russian prices. Cheaper is only housing and bread.
    5. zvereok
      zvereok April 1 2013 10: 00 New
      0
      Gasoline is the price of bread, logistics, any other goods, and if they are produced in your country, then materials. This is essentially a hidden subsidy within the WTO, including due to the cost of gasoline, foreign goods are more competitive than Russian ones ...

      So we eat and drink gasoline.
  9. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 31 March 2013 09: 23 New
    +7
    The USSR (and in fact Russia) was and remains (to a lesser extent) the only restraining factor from the rolling of Wed. Asia's Interethnic Massacre. And the fact that the local leaders are changing - in fact, nothing decides whether one clan at the trough will be different. It won’t reach the slaughter. All the indigenous princes are united by one thing - everyone asks for money from Russia
  10. treskoed
    treskoed 31 March 2013 09: 24 New
    +2
    I believe that large-scale changes will not happen. In the Asian republics, power belongs to teips, i.e. to relatives. And over the years, the teip of Karimov has firmly established himself in the power structures.
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2013 09: 34 New
      +3
      Quote: treskoed
      I believe that large-scale changes will not happen. In the Asian republics, power belongs to teips, i.e. to relatives. And over the years, the teip of Karimov has firmly established himself in the power structures.

      God forbid! But unfortunately, we saw only one example of a calm transfer of power after the death of Turkmenbashi. And the receiver, we must pay tribute, while the situation holds, at least some sharp situations during his reign are not observed from the side.
    2. воронов
      воронов 31 March 2013 18: 58 New
      0
      You did not confuse Uzbekistan with Chechnya? laughing
    3. Khamsin
      Khamsin 31 March 2013 21: 20 New
      0
      Karimov comes from the Samarkand wave. (Mahal - the district of the city). There will still be a redistribution of power, in Tashkent clans also want power
  11. medwed1976
    medwed1976 31 March 2013 09: 32 New
    +6
    [i] “Citizens of Uzbekistan are very optimistic about the future, positively assessing the planned deepening of transformations in all areas in the 2013 year ...",

    “90 percent of respondents believe that in the coming year the socio-economic situation in the country will become even better ...”, “80 percent of the respondents rated the socio-economic situation in their area and city as good and stable ...” [/ i
    Treated with medicinal herbs from Uzbekistan
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 09: 53 New
      +3
      Quote: medwed1976
      Treated with medicinal herbs from Uzbekistan

      With grass, come to the Field of Miracles and suck it in to Yanukovych, this is an advertisement wassat
      Where is the drug control reaction bully
  12. don.kryyuger
    don.kryyuger 31 March 2013 09: 35 New
    +5
    An ordinary dvushrushnik, of which there are a dime a dozen in Russia. The former main Uzbek communist who received all the benefits of the USSR, now suddenly became an Uzbek nationalist, saying that the union is bad. And who would have known about him if not THE USSR?
  13. Semurg
    Semurg 31 March 2013 09: 36 New
    0
    As for the union, the memories are mostly good, like childhood memories. But the younger generation is flowing and after 10-20 years it will be at the helm thinking differently. Personally, I am for the confederation, and not for the empire, as Russians often write here, all the same, time stop and go into the same water twice. It’s typical of the Swiss Confederation, without the dictatorship of the center, and imposing their will and vision of life from Moscow, the boyars sent to feed on the outskirts, which they work on grandma’s problems of chuchmeks. Culture, language , resettlement, court, etc. at the public, and the level of confederation is defense, coordinated foreign ministries and assistance in the mutual penetration of economies, without quacks about sinless Russians and non-blogging chuchmeks. For close interconnections at a new level of the spiral of life.
    1. avt
      avt 31 March 2013 10: 20 New
      11
      Quote: Semurg
      . Personally, I am for the confederation, and not for the empire, as Russians often write here, all the same, there’s no time to stop and go into the same water twice. It’s typical of the Swiss Confederation, without that dictate of the center, and imposing one’s will and vision of life from Moscow, the boyars sent to feed on the outskirts, which they use to earn money on the Chuchmeks for x problems. Culture, language, relocations, court, etc. are published, and the level of confederation is defense, coordinated foreign ministries and assistance in the mutual penetration of economies, without quacks about sinless Russians and non-bloggers Chuchmekov. For close relationships at a new level in the spiral of life.

      request Well, you already have it. What else, what kind of "confederation" do you want? How about the European Union? So they’ll have a worse one, and without capital investments in the development of the economy and culture. There will be no Kazakh joke from Russia’s beloved Nazarbayev’s joke, what’s told on NTV, there are enough of them. Here now, St. Petersburg precincts “rule. And no one will let them in to the emission center, even if they decide to print a single currency and call tenge or altyn. Capitalism. And all you want is called the CIS, well You can rename the same members in Euras, but the view from the side. laughing And such amorphous numbers do not work with defense, an army or one with a single command and a clear understanding of what Country will give life for, or just a hell of a heap with its sovereign troubles. Even Belarus, by its constitution, cannot send troops abroad. And then what is the CSTO request . It turns out just a sump for Bordyuzha with comrades. So in the absence of a desire to build a single state, let's be friends with houses. And the Confederation, this is a chip already won back by the hunchbacked in Ogaryovo and Yeltsin in Belovezhskaya Pushcha. Enough already played enough negative
      1. lav566
        lav566 31 March 2013 10: 56 New
        +3
        I believe that the "train has left" and about any unification into a single state, call it
        empire or confederation, speech should not be.
        We have common external enemies, so we need to conduct a coordinated
        defense policy. In economics, build relationships on principles
        mutual interest, at market prices, so that there is no talk about
        who feeds whom. Do not interfere in domestic politics -
        Russia still didn’t have enough to resolve internal contradictions
        in the states of Central Asia. The native peoples and elite should
        see for yourself where their interest is. And the interest is in close, honest cooperation
        with Russia. China, Taliban, Arabs with Americans contribute
        the development of Central Asian states will not be.
        And in which case Russia itself will live.
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 31 March 2013 12: 18 New
          0
          Yes, somewhere I agree with your opinion that defense and foreign affairs need to link the economy and the market, but with mutual preferences in order to gain competitive advantages in foreign markets, and with mutual penetration, this will be cooperation and complementarity. Internal policies themselves are conducted without .u from the neighbors. And how to call it the empire, confederation, eurases is a technical question.
          1. avt
            avt 31 March 2013 12: 56 New
            +5
            Quote: Semurg
            The economy is yes to the market, but with mutual preferences in order to gain competitive advantages in foreign markets, and with mutual penetration, this is cooperation and complementarity. Domestic policies are conducted by themselves without a cue from neighbors. And as the empire, confederation, euras call it technical question.

            request laughing My dear, what are the preferences under capitalism? And penetration is cooperation, it pursues only profit and at 300%, according to the classic, they will go ANY crime. A limiter can only be the state. And it can be formed only in the presence of a stable, cohesive ideology. This is either on a national basis as in the former Soviet republics, or the imperial version of Russia. If you reject the second, the first remains, but then do not fool yourself or anyone else's head. Live and work. And everything else for a fee with mutual agreement. laughingBut at the same time remember - stretch the legs on clothes. At the level of China in relations with Russia, in the sense of equality and more, in the foreseeable future, none of the former union republics will in fact come out, as if we would not like to.
            1. Semurg
              Semurg 31 March 2013 16: 20 New
              +1
              AVT. No, on an equal footing with China, this is not for us, we are the energy carrier, they have enough business for us. That’s purely business for the account of 300%. Marx drives it. For the account, live and work for 100%. I don’t like the imperial option, you don’t like the second option - then without options. Everything else is there for a fee and now, what is the garden about then. It seems to me that trying to revive the union is like a dream again to fall into a childhood that is gone. Maybe we’ll just be good neighbors, visit each other, communicate, etc., etc. Maybe I'm wrong, it will show time
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 31 March 2013 12: 17 New
        +5
        Quote: Semurg
        Semurg

        Quote: avt
        avt (

        I read both of your statements Semurg and Avt .....
        I thought .......
        But Avt is right ........
        Confederation is garbage, not a viable construction is thought.
        A world where money rules will always give only the appearance of equality and equal opportunities.
        None of the republics has an attractive economic model, there is no unifying idea. Russia is no exception.
        Money, economic benefit, is not what you need. The gain is momentary, the world is changing, today it’s profitable, tomorrow it’s gone.
        It turns out again someone at the expense of someone, tear. hi
      3. Semurg
        Semurg 31 March 2013 12: 31 New
        +2
        No, I am against the unitary state. Governments have the mandate of trust from the people, if my state. he will follow this path I will vote against such a policy, although I am a shala-Kazakh, although I am not the whole nation, but I think a large percentage will share my opinion. But what they say about euras, what the doctor prescribed.
    2. Fox
      Fox 31 March 2013 10: 23 New
      +8
      Sagat, this has already happened in the 30s. Just think for yourself, who of the bays will voluntarily give up the AUTHORITY? Therefore, they introduced from the end of the thirties "35% of the Russian-speaking population to maintain stability in the republics." people, you yourself know the answer.
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 31 March 2013 12: 02 New
        +1
        I read somewhere that with 10-15% of newcomers, national conflicts begin, and this is 35%. If only growth is natural and not migration, then different ethnic groups add each other and give a great variety that gives such states. competitive advantage. At the expense of the Elite, which you call bays, life examples are different, there is Singapore and there is Somalia. The opinion that Moscow needs an educated people and the locals do not, is a debatable question. That everyone would die without them was said by all the British when they left India, and the Franks when Russians were leaving Vietnam. And at the expense of power, all power belongs to the people, and politicians only represent different groups of this people, ideally. Well, all sorts of tricks every nation deserves its own government.
    3. smile
      smile 31 March 2013 13: 46 New
      +5
      Semurg
      Well, if without constant subsidies to your economy, without eternal preferences to the national administrations, without feudal clanism, without total petty Russophobia, which you acknowledge and will push yourself, and not cherish, calling it nat. self-awareness ... and so it is not? ... But Russophobia on the outskirts taught us a lot .... dislike for you is caused precisely by how our neighbors treated the Russians at home .... I did not hear something you repented for it ...
      Are you able to critically look at yourself? I doubt it ... even according to your comment this is obvious .... so we don’t have to do any favors .... if you wish, we’ll discuss it, but we’ll discuss our conditions ... well, let's leave it aside ...
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 31 March 2013 15: 49 New
        +2
        smile. What to discuss? Russophobia is there even in Russia itself. The preferences for the national frames were and still are forced to take locals to work, if you don’t think so, I think it’s bad. Feudal clanism, if you mean knowledge of your kind, is and will be (I know what kind of family I belong to, I know the pedigree up to the 7th knee) is it really bad. A critical look at myself repents sometimes it brings one who is without sin. Benefits are done objectively to anyone. I have written comments here. Conditions? what are we talking about. So to discuss, you are confident in your point of view. I’m in your own. You don’t need an alliance somewhere either, good neighbors to me, yes you decide for yourself. If you hit someone I repent, please understand forgive (golden words are our rush ruined)
  14. medwed1976
    medwed1976 31 March 2013 09: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    With grass, come to the Field of Miracles and suck it in to Yanukovych, this is an advertisement

    It would be nice if he also introduced grass to Yanukovych in Ukraine, and only to Yakubovich on “Field of Miracles” wassat
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 March 2013 10: 07 New
      +6
      Quote: medwed1976
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      With grass, come to the Field of Miracles and suck it in to Yanukovych, this is an advertisement

      It would be nice if he also introduced grass to Yanukovych in Ukraine, and only to Yakubovich on “Field of Miracles” wassat


      It’s not right for Yanukovych to squeeze the grass, but to beat the bastard for his “euro aspirations” about the existence of which he somehow forgot to ask the people, and especially the Banderastas for their indulgence.
  15. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter 31 March 2013 10: 13 New
    +1
    It is good that Uzbekistan has left the CSTO. Do not have to pacify their internal disassembly.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 31 March 2013 10: 17 New
      +3
      Quote: antiaircrafter
      It is good that Uzbekistan has left the CSTO. Do not have to pacify their internal disassembly.

      Good little - a three-legged stool, he sawed himself one leg.
      1. antiaircrafter
        antiaircrafter 31 March 2013 10: 51 New
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        three-legged stool, he sawed himself one leg.

        well, it’s not for us to lift the ass that fell from him.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 31 March 2013 11: 00 New
          +1
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          well, it’s not for us to lift the ass that fell from him.


          If not Russia, then US potassium or China. And God alone knows which smut is less.
          1. romb
            romb 31 March 2013 11: 50 New
            +2
            If not Russia, then US potassium or China. And God alone knows which smut is less.

            It’s for sure - “a holy place never happens”. The Central Asian region has a very important geostrategic location. Russia will not be able to agree with the Uzbeks, then the USA or China will do it for it.
          2. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 31 March 2013 12: 01 New
            +1
            Quote: Hudo
            If not Russia, then

            It's time to stop this "army of salvation."
            Well, or only on favorable terms.
        2. old rocket man
          old rocket man 31 March 2013 12: 53 New
          +5
          Quote: antiaircrafter
          Quote: Hudo
          three-legged stool, he sawed himself one leg.

          well, it’s not for us to lift the ass that fell from him.

          Sure? Russia, as Mother Teresa, has been doing this all her life, which saves all the wretched from her own stupidity, and, mainly, at the expense of herself.
          1. antiaircrafter
            antiaircrafter 31 March 2013 22: 10 New
            0
            Quote: old rocket
            Sure?

            At least there are no formal obligations outside the CSTO.
            Well, I don’t doubt that for political reasons we’ll fit in with help.
  16. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 31 March 2013 10: 41 New
    +8
    I had to recently stand up for the Uzbek-Gaster. It was a rather interesting and sad sight to look at them. Two of them were even in national dressing gowns. belay Then a little talked with them. Young people do not know Russian at all. But some understood a little. In the eyes of fear and genuine curiosity. Older, about forty years old, with difficulty picking up the words they spoke. We drove to my relative, sort of like a team leader at a construction site. I don’t like such a sight on the streets of our cities, but no fences can stop people trying to help their families. This is the only chance for them. So they go to a terrible, hostile country to work, in which Vereshchagin the executioner and the sadist. This is a very lucrative business for many here. To believe that a semi-literate and not knowing the language migrant worker will find work at a construction site, supermarket, janitor or else where only naive can.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 31 March 2013 11: 14 New
      +6
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      To believe that a semi-literate and not knowing the language migrant worker will find work at a construction site, supermarket, janitor or else where only naive can.

      So, they also hope for fellow countrymen. In general, in such cases, if visitors comply with the laws of the Russian Federation, then such people really need help. Then they will relate to the Russians with confidence, and this knowledge will be distributed in their homeland.
    2. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 31 March 2013 11: 15 New
      +5
      For 22 years, a whole generation has changed. And we are primitively discussing the problems of Uzbekistan, the elites, and the fireworks.
      Uzbeks are “wealthy” people compared to Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Also "educated."
      Tashkent has always been the "center" of Central Asia. Now Turkey, Iran, India, China, USA, Russia are fighting for influence over it.
      Karimov has so far been able to survive by the state and even create the auto industry, which in the conditions of Asia was a feat and conducted things tough, harsh and flexible.
      In the year 14, the Americans are withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. There is a "vacuum of influence" amid the president’s illness, a huge threat of instability arises.
      How will it end?
      Who is stabilizing the situation?
    3. djon3volta
      djon3volta 31 March 2013 11: 18 New
      +2
      Quote: Was Mammoth
      To believe that a semi-literate and not knowing the language migrant worker will find work at a construction site, supermarket, janitor or else where only naive can.

      Yes, they don’t travel at random, they have a word of mouth. If they come, then to someone there are few who alone or three of them will go into the unknown. They call in advance, then go to work. I didn’t communicate with them little, those who are younger speak poorly in Russian (20-25 years old), greedy for money, they can arrange disassembly because of a penny, they often get 2 jobs (half a day there, half a day here), very economical, tricky, often they talk to their own so that the Russians do not understand what it is about.
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 31 March 2013 11: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: djon3volta
        Yes, they don’t travel at random, they have a word of mouth. If they come, then to someone there are few who alone or three of them go into the unknown. They call in advance, then they go to work

        No, everything is much simpler. There are people who are engaged in recruiting for a certain percentage, i.e. agree with firms on the provision of slave labor. Then they go and collect "rafshans" they bring to the firm, and have a percentage from this (mainly from the firm and from "rafshan")
        1. itkul
          itkul 31 March 2013 16: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: Allex28
          No, everything is much simpler. There are people who are engaged in recruiting for a certain percentage, i.e. agree with firms for the provision of labor force.


          You won’t believe it, but here in Murmansk the rabbis do the cleaning in the Murmansk regional prosecutor’s office
          quote from article

          And that thought touches me that day: here is to call and complain to the migration service. That’s because it’s going to be a joke when the employees of the Federal Migration Service come to catch illegal immigrants at the prosecutor’s office.

          http://bloger51.com/2013/03/41763
  17. B_KypTke
    B_KypTke 31 March 2013 11: 13 New
    +1
    Mandated territories ... O Russian language, great and powerful!
  18. sprut
    sprut 31 March 2013 11: 14 New
    +1
    That is why the Americans there have intensified. 30 million - there is where to roam ...
  19. Old warrant officer
    Old warrant officer 31 March 2013 11: 26 New
    +4
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    This is where in Russia you can live on chervonets?

    Most pensioners live just like that, alas ,,,
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 12: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: Old Warrant Officer
      Most pensioners live just like that, alas ,,,

      Most pensioners are forced to work, because 10 is not enough.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 31 March 2013 14: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Old warrant officer

        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov

        And you are both right by the way.
        Who can work, who does not exist.
        Not everyone can work, age, health ........
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 31 March 2013 14: 06 New
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          Who can work, who does not exist.
          Not everyone can work, age, health ..

          In general, yes, it is.
  20. Igarr
    Igarr 31 March 2013 11: 26 New
    +4
    Yes, my small homeland.
    Although he left - and his childhood from 25 to 36 - passed there.
    How can I gloat or something? It is to forget yourself and cross out.
    .
    "..Transvaal, Transvaal, my country,
    You're all on fire ...
    Under a tree
    Thoughtfully the drill sat.

    It’s come, it’s a hard time
    For my motherland.
    Pray women for us
    For our sons!

    I have nine sons
    Three are already alive
    And they fight for freedom
    The six youngest rest.

    And the youngest son - thirteen years old -
    He asked for war
    But I said, "No, no, no, no!
    I won’t take the baby! "

    "Father, you will not blush
    For the boy in battle.
    I can die with you
    For your homeland! "

    Once upon a battle
    Our train was broken
    The boy in position
    Stock of pomegranates brought.

    It’s come, it’s a hard time
    For my motherland.
    Pray women for us
    For our sons! .. "
    .
    Replace Transvaal - in Uzbekistan ......
    Our guys, Kazakhs - will have to stay there anyway - anyway.
    Nothing optimistic.
    ..
    ..
    Yes, still, brothers. The one to whom power is transferred is called - SUCCESSOR.
    A - receiver - this is for fishing .. radio waves. Or a flea.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 31 March 2013 12: 02 New
      +3
      Quote: Igarr
      Yes, still, brothers. The one to whom power is transferred is called - SUCCESSOR.
      And - the receiver is for fishing .. radio waves. Or a flea.

      Or for migrant workers who have violated the law, in police stations (special detention center).
  21. Opera
    Opera 31 March 2013 11: 28 New
    10
    A few days ago, I was traveling on a Moscow-Simferopol train, a fellow Crimean Tatar was a fellow traveler. His brother and father live in a rented apartment and build a house in the Crimea. He and his wife (Russian) work in Moscow. The whole family came from Uzbekistan. The dream is to obtain Russian citizenship. I will not retell here all the "charms of a wonderful life" in Uzbekistan, but as for nationalism, not in the highest echelons, but in the most ordinary household ... You come to the Uzbek market to buy three kilos of potatoes, you are brazenly weighed one and a half, but you have to pay for three. They reply to indignation about this - I don’t like to get out to your Russia! Why do you ask the Tartar to go to Russia, I ask, but they don’t say that to all Uzbeks ...
    This is such a squiggle, especially despite the fact that the Uzbek guest workers in Russia have a cart and a small cart.
    1. Ljubomir
      Ljubomir 31 March 2013 21: 22 New
      0
      Quote: Oper
      but as for nationalism, not in the higher echelons, but in the most domestic way ... You come to the Uzbek market to buy three kilos of potatoes, you are brazenly weighed one and a half, but you need to pay for three. They reply to indignation about this - I don’t like to get out to your Russia! Why do you ask the Tartar to go to Russia, I ask, but they don’t say that to all Uzbeks ...

      I generally have a distant relative somewhere in the beginning. 80s made friends with a girl from Bukhara and went ... to slavery. He cleaned the cattle in a private house. I don’t remember how I got out, like the neighbors helped. I know the story from second hand.
    2. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 1 2013 10: 09 New
      +1
      Well, something he lied to you .... I have lived in Tashkent for 16 years and have never seen anything like it. There were friends in Tashkent (Uzbeks), very good people still communicate.
      There was one case I was 12-13 years old .... I was driving home from school on a bus, a young Uzbek woman began to say something about Russians (I don’t remember exactly) an old Uzbek was sitting next to me, so he told her so - “daughter, when the last Russian leaves Uzbekistan, you’ll become my 10th wife, so sit and keep quiet”
  22. zinander
    zinander 31 March 2013 11: 32 New
    +3
    I saw these workers ... half drink more than ours, and the work is done mainly in draft, where no mind is needed ... and earning from us 15-30 thousand people have houses at home, cars and support large families ...
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 31 March 2013 14: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Iskander
      ... contain large families ...

      It is not clear how Uzbeks breed. All men in Russia, and women give birth and give birth.
  23. lav566
    lav566 31 March 2013 11: 53 New
    +5
    My friend in Soviet times worked in Tashkent, worked
    by telephone. He somehow crawls out of the sewer manhole all in shit,
    and an Uzbek woman passing by says to him: You, Russian, must constantly remember whose bread you eat.
  24. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 31 March 2013 11: 56 New
    +4
    All chuchmeks must be sent to their historical homelands or entry must be paid.
    1. AK-47
      AK-47 31 March 2013 14: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      All chuchmeks must be sent to ...

      Our ancestors were concerned about this.
    2. Stone
      Stone 31 March 2013 23: 34 New
      -1
      I beat your mother vaska
  25. knn54
    knn54 31 March 2013 12: 09 New
    +4
    With his death (Karimov claims to all neighbors), the risk of a war of "all against all" (including civil) will become almost 100%. The collapse of the state into small private khanates that are at war among themselves is likely. And unlike Libya, the Uzbeks will not need “humanitarian bombing”. They themselves will pull everything apart, without the intervention of a "peacekeeping contingent." And the country will turn into a new Afghanistan ...
    In practice, a lot will depend on the regional bays — if they agree on a successor — everything will go quietly and smoothly. All that is needed is for the receiver to be a friend of the Russian Federation, and not the Chinese. Uzbekistan is an object of manipulation of subjects, of which there are three in the region. Russia does not need there not Chinese military bases, not American ones.
    But Russia has no trump cards in its hands. The Russian authorities do not have the political will and professionalism ... Why is Alisher Usmanov not used in Russian interests in Uzbekistan?
    Uzbekistan does not have pro-Russian NPOs or branches of Russian universities. There are no representatives of the Uzbek elite who studied at Russian universities and promoted by Russia in the power structures of Uzbekistan. Almost no joint creative and scientific conferences ...
    How many additional Russian consulates are opened in Uzbek cities? How much is allocated to pro-Russian journalists and publications in Uzbekistan. In the end, how many representatives of the Uzbek elite were taken from the compromising materials and how many representatives of the Uzbek opposition were recruited from the number of migrant workers, future commanders of the PRO-RUSSIAN Uzbek liberation army (and why not) .ZERO!
    To leave Uzbekistan in the sphere of Russian influence, it was necessary to seriously deal with this 10 years ago, and not to flirt with Karimov. Today, Uzbekistan completely lost the United States. And this is the complete collapse of foreign policy in this direction.
    Gone from Afghanistan, the Americans came. And so with Uzbekistan. We won’t be drawn to the Union, they will leave completely.
    PS I think the Wahhabis will be hard- the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China will not be allowed, and local bais will not give up power just like that
  26. stas
    stas 31 March 2013 12: 09 New
    12
    In 1992, he left Uzbekistan, one of their boss says, "Why are you going, in Russia there is nothing but moonshine and potatoes."
    A few years later, the case again forced to go to Samarkand. The same boss began to say, "Soon they will heal as they did in Russia."
    If in the 1992 year they were told that they would travel to Russia, earn their daily bread, they would not believe in life.
    But in fact, in Samarkand there was and may be an institute of karakul breeding, in the area of ​​the park-lake. In front of the building was a large ram on a pedestal. Someone from Russian periodically wrote on this pedestal "Monument to the Uzbek people" " The inscription was erased, they wrote again until this sheep was completely removed.
    1. il-z
      il-z 31 March 2013 15: 08 New
      +1
      In the 90s in Tashkent there was a popular joke: The Uzbek is asked: - who do you think is the richest in the world?
      - Karimov Islam Abduganievich! he answers proudly.
      - .... Why? 7
      - So he has 30 million sheep !!!!

      For some reason, the Uzbeks themselves loved him more, they somehow grabbed the salt of this joke faster.
  27. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich 31 March 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    Sitting on the throne and doing only the enrichment of your family and friends, of course, after leaving the situation in the country will explode, and due to the brutal terror in the modern world, you can’t resist / the turn will come to tyranny regimes in Qatar and the Saudis /.
  28. Seaman
    Seaman 31 March 2013 12: 52 New
    +5
    An Uzbek (not a janitor!), An intelligent fellow, a university graduate, works with my son. So he says that Uzbekistan lives at the expense of Russia. If Russia covers migration, arctic fox will come to Uzbekistan. By all means he is trying to gain the citizenship of Russia.
    1. PrikVO 84-86
      PrikVO 84-86 31 March 2013 15: 21 New
      +3
      Do not give!
      Who has already been given - pick up and deport!
      1. dmitry46
        dmitry46 April 1 2013 14: 53 New
        +2
        Received citizenship of the Russian Federation in 2001. Born and raised in Tashkent, in a military family, father is a retired officer in the Soviet army, a participant in the hostilities in Afghanistan. By nationality Russian.

        Do you offer to take my citizenship from me and deport to Uzbekistan?
        Do you know how many of these Russians live in Russia now, and how many have failed to obtain Russian citizenship?
  29. NOBODY EXCEPT US
    NOBODY EXCEPT US 31 March 2013 13: 35 New
    +6
    All this is certainly good, but it seems to me that the dreams of some about union are an empty sound. Do you really think that all problems will disappear with the union? In the former republics, more than one generation has already grown up, not knowing about past friendship and not knowing any squirrel in Russian. The Union is a free movement throughout the territory, without restrictions, as a result, after a few years, we will soon speak in central Russia what the hell is it, than they speak Russian, they now if they chatter more than two in their own language and yell so loud on the phone that it’s annoying. Remember how the hell the people are. I think it’s better to be friends, but everyone lives at home ......... Personal opinion .....
  30. Black
    Black 31 March 2013 13: 54 New
    +3
    In the late 80s he was in Khiva, Urgench ..... amazed at the standard of living. Gas in every house, asphalt road to all settlements, wealth in houses, bazaars with eastern abundance, lack of workers at the factory ....
    In the general middle zone of Russia, I did not even dream of it.
  31. str73
    str73 31 March 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    [quote = starshina78] .... One word is a chameleon!

    And I would say simpler: prostitute
  32. Octavian avgust
    Octavian avgust 31 March 2013 14: 18 New
    0
    It was not necessary to carry out in Uzbekistan, but take my word for it - 90% of the support of the party and the government does not exist.

    Well, everything can be here! Yes, they live poorly, but they won’t tell sociologists that they have a different mentality! And then suddenly someone finds out and then you can pay for the words. In general, a patriarchal country.
  33. cumastra1
    cumastra1 31 March 2013 14: 20 New
    +9
    You have to worry about your country. My relatives left Kyrgyzstan. They all quit. They sold the apartment, here with this money only a shed could be bought. And nothing, rose, live and do not blow in the mustache. Because they work. And if they have all the work there — to trade in the market, then where does welfare come from? Nevertheless, work must be provided first of all to their own. Migrants must be second-class people. Only if there are none. Up to the prosecution of employers. All over the world, you don’t have to shout about racism and chauvinism. This is a common government policy. Try to get permission to work in the states or Germany, feet to the knees come. Only all this should come from the state. And given that our figures are head over heels in business, and guest workers are preferable in business, it will not be soon. To clean the Duma and the government. dreams, dreams .... oh, something Joseph Vissarionych remembered ....
  34. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 31 March 2013 15: 16 New
    +6
    Post-Soviet nationalism - right to the point. In all the former Soviet republics, after the collapse, they “remembered” that they were (I really don’t know when) great states from sea to sea and their peoples are the most, absolutely everything (though I don’t know what). My personal opinion is that Russia needs to approach the issues of international relations as pragmatically as possible, proceed from its interests and benefits, and take care first of all of its citizens. Allies remain as long as it benefits them. The real allies of Russia - everyone has long known - the army and navy. States that can only give migrant workers cannot be full-fledged allies; financial and military assistance should be provided to them only with firm guarantees of Russia's interests.
  35. amp
    amp 31 March 2013 15: 32 New
    +1
    Build a tall high wall, with barbed barbed wire at the border.
    And who loves the Uzbeks - a suitcase, a train station, Uzbekistan.
  36. VladimirD
    VladimirD 31 March 2013 16: 08 New
    +7
    Greetings to the forum users from a military builder, private soldier. I am also a builder. I will say this. I served in South Kazakhstan DMB 1986-1988. Then I was removed from the post of Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU of the Kazakh SSR Kunaev (Kazakh) and appointed Kolbin (Russian) Alma-Ata was a "holiday" and we soldiers (since we had only BSL-110 from weapons) had to barricade the entrance to the barracks (naive, as if it was impossible to get into the window, the barracks were single-story) so that the Kazakhs would not cut everyone. Many people know about the unrest in Alma-Ata, but there are no such moments. And this is 1986. This is about their relationship to us. Uzbekistan is no exception. Our former Asian republics can be rowed with one comb, you will not be mistaken. They know that some role in world politics can only be played by the contradictions between Russia and the United States. Their elite, of course, holds on to its warm place, but the hangers-on understand that this does not last forever. Someone (probably) has trodden the path to the Americans for a long time. I believe that it is necessary to strengthen the border and introduce visas with these Ikami "so that they would understand who they are without us, but also not let the United States strengthen there (how to do this is the business of politicians) I think they will quickly reach whom to be friends with. The Taliban have long realized that nothing good will come of the Americans, but here Russians (even though we fought with them) are now remembered with a kind word. And here is another point. I have a friend, a Tajik, who has been working here for about 15 years, so he tells me that he does not understand what is in their brain in their youth, who They come to work. There has already grown up a generation that did not know the USSR, and here they come as if in an enemy camp.
  37. VladimirD
    VladimirD 31 March 2013 16: 29 New
    +6
    And about nationalism. The President of the Guild of RUSSIAN Lawyers, Hasan Mirzoyev, the head of MOSOBLIZBIRKOM Irek Vildanov, the President of the Association of RUSSIAN Banks Garegin Tosunyan. The list goes on endlessly. These are no longer wipers (who already don’t even want to remove the snow) !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
  38. VladimirD
    VladimirD 31 March 2013 16: 31 New
    0
    The moderators removed the comment, maybe it should have been, but this is what is boiling in the soul
  39. Kopvin
    Kopvin 31 March 2013 16: 32 New
    0
    There and under the Union, there were two, two, three wives ... the first officially, the others lived like that ...
  40. Maj.
    Maj. 31 March 2013 17: 49 New
    +2
    At the beginning of the 90s, the slogan VERY RUSSIAN-IN RYAZAN, TATARS-IN KAZAN was VERY popular in Uzbekistan ... That's how they loved us, I’m sure - and they are still screaming ate overwhelmed by dope !!!
  41. galiullinrasim
    galiullinrasim 31 March 2013 18: 47 New
    0
    the main thing is that our armies do not stick there. It will be worse than Afghanistan and we will help the Kazakhs strengthen the border
  42. Horde
    Horde 31 March 2013 18: 55 New
    0
    What do we know about Karimov? here is no infa leaked.

    Karimov’s real father was a Jew Iskhak Mirzokandov
  43. fzr1000
    fzr1000 31 March 2013 20: 38 New
    +3
    I am currently working with a former deputy. Minister of Defense of Uzbekistan in the 90s - early 2000s. Speaking briefly about his assessment of the situation in the Armed Forces of Uzbekistan, pi ... finger and degradation, thanks Karimov.
  44. stas
    stas 31 March 2013 20: 49 New
    +7
    We do not need the USSR in its former composition, in any way.
    We need one alliance - Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, possibly Kazakhstan. With the rest, reasonable and practical selfishness.
    Karimov was the secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Uzbekistan, and in fact, as was the basmach and the khan, he remained so.
    In the east they cannot live without a master (khan), they do not want and will not.
    They smile in the eyes, and behind them are always holding a pichak (knife). Alone as sheep obedient, and in the crowd merciless animals.
    When the massacre of Mkskheti Turks was massacred in the 1988 year, in just one night, the Uzbeks slaughtered more than 1000 Turks like rams, and this seemed to be done by peaceful neighbors.
  45. His
    His 31 March 2013 20: 58 New
    0
    Without Russia and Russians, all Central Asian “camps” will turn into a wretched sight over time. Africanization will pass, there will be constant wars between the tribes, and a gradual wild Islamization. But again, Russia should not save these territories, it just does not make sense.
    Now we need to introduce clear visa restrictions, and equip the boundless steppe border with Kazakhstan. Using modern control methods, we can take methods to control the US border with Mexico
    1. Earthman
      Earthman April 1 2013 02: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Own
      Without Russia and Russians, all Central Asian “camps” will turn into a wretched sight over time. Africanization will pass, there will be constant wars between the tribes, and a gradual wild Islamization. But again, Russia should not save these territories, it just does not make sense.
      Now we need to introduce clear visa restrictions, and equip the boundless steppe border with Kazakhstan. Using modern control methods, we can take methods to control the US border with Mexico

      Who do you think you are?
    2. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 1 2013 14: 47 New
      0
      sorry, but you write nonsense! We have a good relationship with Kazakhstan, and with other states!
      And most importantly, do not forget that Russians still live in these republics! Those who for some reason could not leave for Russia.
  46. VladimirD
    VladimirD 31 March 2013 21: 14 New
    +1
    I’m wildly sorry, they didn’t delete the comment. It just appeared later. And without Karimov, Uzbekistan will look for a new Karimov. It is not known how long this search will last. Well, until the Uzbeks are in search, there will be blood flowing and more will go our way. .Well, not to flee to Afghanistan, there they will quickly give AK in their hands
  47. Hius-124
    Hius-124 31 March 2013 22: 37 New
    +2
    Quote: matrek
    Quote: avt

    Quote: Krasnoyarets
    Close the borders, otherwise migrants will flood in the Russian Federation.
    Twenty years late for commercials, Alas!

    it's never too late to do a good thing

    I am for!!! As one of my friends says: “We will be friends! Only you are there, and we are here!”
  48. dmitry46
    dmitry46 April 1 2013 09: 33 New
    0
    And there Afghanistan is nearby .... If unrest begins in Uzbekistan, the Taliban quickly activate and begin to climb across the border, and since Uzbekistan does not have an army as such, it’s scary to even imagine what might happen ....
  49. Ali Baba
    Ali Baba April 1 2013 10: 51 New
    -2
    Hmm ... how much Ikspert is here, well, a whole council of resuscitation doctors of the whole state ... couch fighters are sitting discussing something that they even have no idea about;) Dear RossEyans, take care of your problems and don’t get your nose snooped around without you understanding. YES, by the way, we are for the visa regime with you, you are there and we alone will God willing, for any reason we will not be tied to you. So there will be a closing of the border and a complete breakdown of relations, only advice you are already looking for someone to continue to blame that you live poorly and who the next one does not work for you :)
    1. dmitry46
      dmitry46 April 1 2013 14: 43 New
      +2
      Do you think that there are no problems in Uzbekistan? Or will you deny that the army as such is not? that corruption is more often worse than in Russia? medicine in decline, education too. Tons of drugs are being dragged across the border, Life is only in Tashkent, as a rule people survive in the regions. or do you think that your compatriots in Ferghana just raised a rebellion? Or do you lie to the local media?
      I have a good attitude towards the Uzbek peoples, but it is extremely negative towards his government.

      ps I write about what I know not by hearsay.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba April 2 2013 08: 28 New
        0
        Quote: dmitry46
        Do you think that there are no problems in Uzbekistan? Or will you deny that the army as such is not? that corruption is more often worse than in Russia? medicine in decline, education too. Tons of drugs are being dragged across the border, Life is only in Tashkent, as a rule people survive in the regions. or do you think that your compatriots in Ferghana just raised a rebellion? Or do you lie to the local media?
        I have a good attitude towards the Uzbek peoples, but it is extremely negative towards his government.

        ps I write about what I know not by hearsay.

        Hearing a man who knows by hearsay :) This is a woman dusya told you all the rubbish that you are here to fuss? Your beloved brothers for centuries, the Tajiks and the Kirghiz have been drugging our army and have been doing their job for more than 20 years without you. Go tell these tales to the Tajiks. And most importantly, don’t hesitate about what we have and who we follow our own. First, Kadyrov and his gang, stop paying tribute and restore order before discussing it with anyone. Soon you will rake up the problems of separatism in such a way ... in one word, clean up as in your hut and discuss after others;)
        1. dmitry46
          dmitry46 April 2 2013 09: 11 New
          +1
          I feel sorry for you ... you stupid person.
          And I know because I lived in Tashkent for 16 years, and many friends still live there.
          1. Ali Baba
            Ali Baba April 2 2013 10: 22 New
            -1
            Quote: dmitry46
            I feel sorry for you ... you stupid person.

            Pity yourself from the beginning ... comrade;) And who is smart and who is not and it’s clear ... you would be smart alliance managers from the center, so to speak, and we wouldn’t ruin ... Karimov didn’t sit in Bialowieza but drank but your EBN and your brothers Slavs. And where were your valiant army men (given that we don’t have an army like you like to trump here) when in the late 90s and early 2000s our army went out of nowhere, where your border guards passed through Tajikistan and Afghanistan, wet the border of the militants? AND? If you know everything so well, can you answer?
            1. dmitry46
              dmitry46 April 2 2013 17: 18 New
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              Who was your army drenched there ??? You were there? Or do you not know how there were not enough machine guns, cartridges, bulletproof vests? The media did not tell you about this; do you not know about this? So ask people who know. Do not make me laugh.
              Karimov by 2000 fired most of the military who had real combat experience (Afghanistan), and then your authorities asked the same military for help.
              Is it not in Uzbekistan that they pay $ 500 and leave for a month for training, do they get a military ticket at the end?
              You have to be realistic.
              1. Ali Baba
                Ali Baba April 3 2013 13: 11 New
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                Is it not in Uzbekistan that they pay $ 500 and leave for a month for training, do they get a military ticket at the end?

                In Uzbekistan, people who know you are paid for the MNR and not for military service. For urgent exams, tests are taken and not how you mow and flee from the army ... urgent 1 year plus the army is 60% contractual or our friends did not report or they can only whine badly here .... we know such plaques myself he served with a couple of them, then they pulled over the hill and before you yanked everyone and all of them went away and you’re going to rot, then you really cried and because of the hill because you are like that and like that.
                And we did not wet you. You fiddled with little Georgia, so Mama Do not Cry, do not write to you who has an army who does not. And most importantly, thank God that people like you were kicked back in the zero. By the way, do not like do not discuss, and your participation here is purple.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov April 3 2013 13: 25 New
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                  You fiddled with little Georgia so mom don’t worry

                  Yeah, as much as 5 days and stopped 15 kilometers from Tbilisi. Sit warrior straight, otherwise your whole contract army will scatter like a Georgian laughing
            2. dmitry46
              dmitry46 April 2 2013 17: 25 New
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              and as for the collapse of the USSR, I will tell you so, open the history textbook for grade 10 (published by the Ministry of Education of Uzbekistan) and read what is written on this subject, about how the people of Uzbekistan were finally freed from oppression, etc. So it’s clearly not for you as a supporter of Karimov’s policy to talk about this.
    2. stas
      stas April 1 2013 15: 19 New
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      Ali Baba, what did you hiss about the alien garden and the complete breakdown of relations with Russia. It's you on the Russian site, not us on the Uzbek.
      It is your khans who drove their people like cockroaches under the baseboard. Which in their homeland can not earn their daily bread.
      Look that your people with khans and bays at first did not understand. It’s probably the son of Rais. After all, your return from Russia is already different.
      But Uzbekistan is not a poor state, 5 place in the world in gold and uranium mining, there is gas. And you can’t even feed your people. But under the USSR you lived better. Read Amar Khayyam and the adventures of Nasredin Afandi. And time will tell who was right and what your people deserved under the rule of Khan Karimov!
  50. Ali Baba
    Ali Baba April 3 2013 13: 15 New
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    and about the collapse of the USSR, I will tell you so, open the history textbook for 10th grade

    Comrade no need la la question specifically stood. Who ruined the USSR? We? Aha ... You and your gang of brethren are thirsty vodka in Bialowieza. Here's a fact, but a fact is a stubborn thing ... you won’t outplay it with any textbooks.