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Leonid Ivashov: “From our side it was nonsense to perceive EuroPRO as the main threat”

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Leonid Ivashov: “From our side it was nonsense to perceive EuroPRO as the main threat”The media reported that the DPRK brought long-range artillery into full combat readiness and threatened to strike at the United States.


US policy aims to destabilize much of the planet.

Honestly, I do not have confidence in this information. It does not fit into the political strategy of the DPRK. They now do not need to exacerbate the situation inside the country and around it. They have a task to ensure economic and social growth in order to survive and develop. Attacking or planning strikes is pointless. What will it bring for the economy, for the growth of citizens' income? Nothing. The fact that they bring something into combat readiness is, perhaps, command and staff exercises, a test of readiness. This is done by all the armies of the world, but commit aggression? And strikes in Hawaii are completely out of the ordinary. They are not suicides.

Perhaps they are talking about a response measure to some kind of provocation, it is possible that this is a verbal, information war, but it will not lead to something real. I am convinced of this.

US policy today aims to destabilize much of the planet. In this chaos, they can look like leaders, peacekeepers and support their dollar, and through it their system. We see that in a stable situation, the West today is inferior to the palm. Today, they can not overtake the growth rates of the economies of the countries of the East and Latin America in the usual way. They cannot catch up, therefore they unleash instability, chaos, armed conflicts, and confrontations. One of the goals of the “Arab Spring” is to launch this large region along the path of degradation. In this case, they will never overtake the Americans, will consume less resources and get into debt. So on the Korean Peninsula, they need to destabilize the situation. In Europe, they abandon certain elements of missile defense, but in the Far East, Americans are powerfully building up a naval grouping.

For some reason, we focused on the fact that the worst thing for us is EuroPRO.

In the Congress and the Senate commissions they ask questions: “Why do we refuse Europe?” So they are explained that Korea is aggressive, just as they once explained the need for an European missile defense system with Iran’s aggressiveness. They should have an 2021 anti-missile ship by 93. I suppose that they will appear in our North. They will enter the Barents and the Baltic seas. Entrances do, but steady grouping is not observed there yet. Their task is to move from the East along the Northern Sea Route, and from the West through the Barents Sea and intercept our missile cluster.

We remember the 2008 year, when it was the Aegis shipboard system that hit an American satellite that failed, at an altitude of 247 km. This is the main thing, but for some reason we have focused on the fact that the worst thing for us is Euro missile defense.

I had to write in various newspapers and magazines that Euro-PRO is a snag for us. We focused on this in order to cover the deployment of the ship group, and now they are bargaining with us according to the principle “we will not deploy missile defense in Poland, but you will also do something for us”. But they do not lose anything from their "concessions". For our part, it was folly to take the European element of antimissile defense as the main threat, and not to pay attention to the ships. But the ships are mobile, mobile, at any moment they can take initial positions in nodal places.
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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 07: 23
    +6
    " US policy today is aimed at destabilizing a significant part of the planet. "," So on the Korean peninsula they need to destabilize the situation."- and the Korean comrades declaring war selflessly help them in this. It turns out this way, or the DPRK does not understand anything about politics ...
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 30 March 2013 08: 53
      -2
      The DPRK authorities are completely crazy.
      1. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 30 March 2013 09: 47
        12
        The DPRK authorities are simply defending the interests of their country! And they showed the whole world that their eggs are iron and the Americans side him.
        1. esaul
          esaul 30 March 2013 10: 42
          +5
          Quote: S_mirnov
          And they showed the whole world that their eggs are iron and the Americans side him.

          Of course - God forbid! But, we’ll see if the Americans move these eggs ... Then - either we will be convinced, or we will think about it ...
          But in fact, now there is a game of shootouts - who will blink first. The Koreans - behind Moscow ... Ugh! - Korea and the famine. Therefore, they are more desperate. They have nothing to lose, besides empty rice bowls. Then one user once reproached me for judging the DPRK by foreign media. You are mistaken, my dear. Infa - first hand ...
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 30 March 2013 11: 22
            +7
            Quote: esaul
            Then one user once reproached me for judging the DPRK by foreign media. You are mistaken, my dear. Infa - first hand ...


            Hi Valera! Somewhere in the 60s, they began to skew the economy towards heavy industry and the military-industrial complex. That is, they still lingered in the Stalinist mobilization economy. The DPRK could not reduce military spending, in addition, after the words of Kim Il Sung that the two Koreas would reunite during his lifetime, expenditures on the army only increased. In 1980, the DPRK economy defaulted, and until the end of the 80s, industrial production declined.
            In July 2002, the start of reforms was announced. The country's currency was devalued, and agricultural prices were released in the hope of stimulating the country's agricultural market. The collective farm in the village was decided to be replaced by households built on the basis of the family principle. As a result, there was an increase in foreign investment: China alone invested $ 200 million in the country's economy in 2004. However, the country is practically in an economic blockade, and there is clearly not enough own resources for the harmonious development of both the military-industrial complex and the agrarian-industrial sector, something has to be sacrificed.
            So they donate
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 30 March 2013 14: 08
              -2
              "Somewhere since the 60s, they have a bias in the economy towards heavy industry and the military-industrial complex. That is, they have lingered in the Stalinist mobilization economy to this day" - well, we have complete order with this! We, with our Putin's DE-INDUSTRIALIZATION, can safely teach the DPRK how to destroy factories! laughing
              The proverb from the famous Soviet film about how "our spaceships plow the depths ..." is now especially relevant. We rank first in the number of satellites in the Pacific Ocean laughing
          2. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 30 March 2013 14: 03
            +1
            “They have nothing to lose, except for empty rice bowls.” Wow, then, in your opinion, at the first American shot, the entire population and army of the DPRK will surrender to the United States. People will not defend empty bowls laughing
            Actually, the songs were familiar, even Solzhenitsyn pushed that the Soviet people won the Great Patriotic War from a fright in front of the commissars and detachments. laughing
      2. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 30 March 2013 12: 09
        12
        Quote: Deniska999
        The DPRK authorities are completely crazy.

        They didn’t want to go under the USA, so crazy? They constantly provoke them, keep the troops on the alert, as was the case with the USSR, zero attention to any statements, notes, discontent. There are two options: 1. Sit on the ass exactly. Rudely surrender to the mercy of the unifier. Only mercy will not be. 2. Show your determination. The line for which do not go. I would choose the second. But most will sell for a hamburger and pizza.
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 30 March 2013 21: 37
          +1
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          2. Show your determination. The line for which do not go. I would choose the second. But most will sell for a hamburger and pizza.

          Yes, at least someone else did not go under pind0s!
    2. serega52
      serega52 31 March 2013 15: 31
      0
      The case says Levashov, but this information is probably known in the Ministry of Defense and playing the fool, that we don’t know anything and blindly trust the Americans. It is very dangerous to play games with Bulava missiles and Americans understand this, they will shoot down Aegis well, but if America does not shoot it goodbye!
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 07: 24
    11
    Their task is to ensure economic and social growth in order to survive and develop.
    Even putting the military in full readiness costs a lot of money. Which the DPRK does not have so much, then why?

    For some reason, we focused on the fact that the worst thing for us is EuroPRO.
    Euro missile defense is closer to Moscow than the Far East.

    They should have 2021 missile defense ships by 93.

    No sooner, we have plans until 2020, so the US is late wink
    1. Patriot.ru.
      Patriot.ru. 30 March 2013 13: 15
      0
      In any case, for us, the Far East is closer than some missile defense systems; we will die together with the Far East or win
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 30 March 2013 17: 27
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      They should have 2021 missile defense ships by 93.
      No sooner, we have plans until 2020, so the US is late

      We have plans, after 2020 - the US is completely absent .... belay what laughing
  3. domokl
    domokl 30 March 2013 07: 34
    12
    Ivashov, with all due respect to him, he has slightly exaggerated ... Russia has not been sitting silently in the Far East for a long time ... The trips of the President and the Prime Minister are not just taking place .. And not only for the directors of factory directors ...
    And we also declare EuroPro more than we do..and what should have been done in any case .. We are not dumber than Americans
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 30 March 2013 11: 48
      0
      exactly, PRO, they pretend that they scare the hedgehog, here they pretend that they are afraid of a bare ass. The weakest point during interception is to see, only electromagnetic waves are subject to whom ...?
  4. CaptainBlack
    CaptainBlack 30 March 2013 08: 02
    +4
    In vain, comfort yourself with hopes! This is just the beginning. And, this time - will not carry! There will be a conflict, how to give a drink ... yes
    Do not underestimate the DPRK, and rely on the sober mind of the Americans! Everyone will get ...
    recourse
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 08: 30
      +8
      Quote: CaptainBlack
      . And, this time - will not carry! There will be a conflict, how to give drink

      About writes, -the warrior will be and sits satisfied. You must be forcibly relocated closer to the border with the DPRK.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 30 March 2013 10: 55
        +5
        Yes, from Norway, it's all to be seen as a com game. And if you live in Komsomolsk on the Amur, Khabarovsk, Vladivostok. it's not funny anymore.
        If ON use nuclear weapons, and yankers in response, can cover the whole Far East.
        And how China will behave in this situation
        1. Patriot.ru.
          Patriot.ru. 30 March 2013 13: 24
          +1
          The use of nuclear weapons at our borders is unacceptable for the SGA (I don’t know for the DPRK)
          1. atalef
            atalef 30 March 2013 17: 58
            +4
            Quote: Patriot.ru.
            The use of nuclear weapons at our borders is unacceptable for the SGA (I don’t know for the DPRK)

            Really not understandable. when using nuclear weapons, the DPRK will simply be wiped off the face of the earth. And the sweetie will die, of course, not the first. the first to evaporate the people intoxicated by him and his ancestors.
    2. atalef
      atalef 30 March 2013 16: 10
      +2
      Again Vanga laughed, or for someone 2012 is not over yet tongue
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 30 March 2013 17: 33
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Again Wang lohanlala

        And in medicine, they consider the patient’s age in full years ... 2012 - full - the last? - ended ... we will continue to observe ... winked
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 08: 27
    +3
    Quote: CaptainBlack
    In vain, comfort yourself with hopes! This is just the beginning. And, this time - will not carry! There will be a conflict, how to give a drink ..

    Why do you want war, sir, huh? Primorye borders on the DPRK did not forget or do not know, or you do not care ... hi
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 08: 32
      +7
      Quote: fenix57
      Primorye borders on the DPRK did not forget or do not know, or you do not care

      He does not live in Primorye, because for him a warrior is a TV show. which he can watch with a bottle of beer in his hands.
      1. atalef
        atalef 30 March 2013 18: 02
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He does not live in Primorye, because for him a warrior is a show

        Come on, Alexander, you’re sure to get high. when North Korea and the United States get muddied. It’s just a moment when you begin to understand that all your vocabulary and drunkenness with socialist values ​​are divided into one tsarist communist and intoxicated people. They can drive the world into a nuclear war.
        The scribe will come to business how you will drag cars from Japan. but on Lada Kalina you won’t make much. I'm right ? Alexander laughing
      2. vilenich
        vilenich 30 March 2013 21: 44
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        He does not live in Primorye, because for him a warrior is a TV show. which he can watch with a bottle of beer in his hands.

        In such a scenario, remoteness from Primorye is unlikely to save. Somehow I recall the apocalyptic scenario of Kontorovich from "The Landing of the Popers. A Second Chance for Humanity"
  6. mda
    mda 30 March 2013 08: 33
    +2
    For some reason, we focused on the fact that the worst thing for us is EuroPRO.

    That's right! Let the West think that we are afraid of their missile defense, and when they build it it turns out that it doesn’t shoot down our missiles.
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 30 March 2013 09: 59
      +6
      Quote: mda-a
      That's right! Let the West think that we are afraid of their missile defense, and when they build it it turns out that it doesn’t shoot down our missiles.

      Have you read it to the end?
      Maybe they read it, but they didn’t understand it.
      Especially for you nodal moments ..
      there should be 2021 anti-ballistic ships by 93. I suppose that they will appear in our North. They will enter the Barents and Baltic seas. They are making calls, but no stable grouping has yet been observed there. Their task is to advance from the East along the Northern Sea Route, and from the West along the Barents Sea and intercept our beam of missiles.

      I had to write in various newspapers and magazines that EuroPRO is a snag for us. We focused on this in order to cover the deployment of the naval group, and now we are trading with us on the principle "we will not deploy missile defense in Poland, but you will do something for us." But they don’t lose anything from their “concession”. For our part, it was foolish to perceive the European missile defense element as the main threat, and ignore ships. But the ships are mobile, mobile, at any time they can take their starting positions in the nodal places
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 30 March 2013 11: 02
        +2
        Quote: ATATA
        ships do not pay attention. But the ships are mobile, mobile, at any time they can take their starting positions

        To destroy the ships of NATO, the inhabitants of the missile defense system. The Russian Navy, armed with destroyers with anti-ship missile systems with a range of not less than 2000 mile, is needed.
        1. not good
          not good 30 March 2013 11: 24
          +2
          Destroyers alone will not be enough, we need full-fledged ship-based UGs with nuclear submarines deployed in the areas of base submarines and with full-fledged air cover. Although in the event of an unexpected start of a nuclear conflict, the KUGs will not even have time to deploy. But nevertheless, it is believed that the states will overstrain, they even with Iraq and Afghanistan has not finished yet, and they are afraid to even think about Syria and Iran. The state budget is not rubber, realizing this, the United States will most likely continue to try to drive all "interested" countries into hysteria. It's easier to fish in muddy waters.
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 30 March 2013 11: 35
            +1
            Quote: Negoro
            . The state budget is not rubber, realizing this

            Yankers will burst sometime from military spending. But for now.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 12: 10
              +4
              Quote: cosmos111
              But for now.

              You have an old picture, budgets of both China and Russia have grown.
            2. elmi
              elmi 30 March 2013 12: 34
              +5
              Quote: cosmos111
              Yankers will burst sometime from military spending. But for now.

              While they have a printing press, it will not be soon.
      2. Patriot.ru.
        Patriot.ru. 30 March 2013 13: 31
        0
        Correctly for the far-fetched SGA problem, we are making concessions. We need to think more and demand concessions from them
  7. svp67
    svp67 30 March 2013 08: 35
    +1
    You cannot ignore even the smallest threat to our country, you just need to take adequate measures ...
  8. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 08: 45
    +1
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    He does not live in Primorye, because for him a warrior is a TV show. which he can watch with a bottle of beer in his hands.

    Apparently, you are right. hi
  9. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 08: 50
    +7
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    .You must be forcibly relocated closer to the border with the DPRK. Maybe then you will think about it.

    So it's always welcome... I myself am 104 km (approximately) on the road from the border with the DPRK, and when you read: "... come on DPRK, give this and that ..." I take evil, honestly ... hi
  10. erased
    erased 30 March 2013 09: 06
    +1
    1. According to the DPRK. In which case the amers will face a choice - whether to use nuclear missiles. For next to their ally is South Korea, and it will be completely covered. Moreover, the DPRK has already announced the state of war with its neighbor.
    2. Shipborne missile defense systems are extremely dangerous. First you have to sink the ships themselves. And this is a drag on time. It is worth considering the response.
    Bottom line - the world is sliding into war. Local, with the transition to global or just to local. But while the nuclear forces of the Russian Federation are capable of damaging the United States, the amers and NATO will sit on their fat asses evenly. The main thing is to keep this status quo as long as possible.
  11. avt
    avt 30 March 2013 09: 07
    +1
    Something with the geo-academic became, probably ate something. request Well, remember, not so long ago I talked about the bestial nature of NATO and the threat of missile defense for Russia, and in general it was one of the focuses on missile defense. And what actually happened now? Behind all this greatness is the emptiness of an offended person set aside from business. Hence all these geo-academies of different sciences. negative Read such opuses, since they are short, you can still. But think about the meaning -volte.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 March 2013 09: 34
      +9
      And what, Ivashov said that the threat of missile defense for Russia in the past?
      Did you read an article, or did you eat something too?
      As for missile defense, Ivashov writes that its naval component is much more dangerous for Russia than the deployment of missile defense systems in Europe.
      That's the whole "idea", It is clear as God's day. What is there to dismiss? request
      From excessive cleverness, I guess. wink
      1. avt
        avt 30 March 2013 09: 52
        +2
        “We focused on this to cover up the deployment of the naval group, and now they are bargaining with us on the principle“ we will not deploy missile defense in Poland, but you will do something for us ”. But they do not lose anything from their "concession". It was foolish on our part to perceive the European element of missile defense as the main threat, and ignore the ships. But the ships are mobile, mobile, at any moment they can take their initial positions at the nodal points. "----
        Quote: Alekseev
        As for missile defense, Ivashov writes that its naval component is much more dangerous for Russia than the deployment of missile defense systems in Europe.
        If you mean this statement by him, it’s generally stupid, in vain that they deployed the radars of the system from Norway to Romania. Or is this all a frivolous myth? Without a deployed monitoring and control system in Europe, there is no point in deploying ship formations either in the Black or in the Norwegian Seas, these are just carriers, and the installation of "interceptors" in Poland is generally accepted and a real threat. And it's not a fact that on shortened Minetmen, stages, what kind of "interceptors" missiles were going to put. That's it, well, I don't want to discuss it anymore, honestly, I'm sorry that I fell through. hi
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 30 March 2013 10: 09
        11
        The United States is a master of bluffing and provocation, remember at least SDI, where is this system? Now about missile defense, We remember the year 2008, when it was the Aegis ship system that shot down an American satellite that crashed at an altitude of 247 km. maybe I don't understand something, but a satellite is not a rocket warhead flying at high speed. which is not so easy to knock down. The United States had a couple of years ago, attempts to falsify the destruction of imaginary enemy missiles, with its anti-missiles, BUT, it turned out for verification that there were BEACKS on these targets. In my opinion, all these IJIS and missile defense, this is an attempt to impose "flags" on Russia like wolves, and maybe, in the event of a conflict, some of these systems will shoot down a couple of three enemy missiles at the initial stage of the flight. And as a reason for pressure. Well, in this quote US policy today is aimed at destabilizing a significant part of the planet. I completely agree with Ivashov. One word from the United States now is the frantic DOG, which, in anticipation of his death, rushes about the world, biting everyone in order to die more than one. Mean, unfair? Yes, that’s the whole point of US policy. Well, they can’t live differently.
    2. Stalinets
      Stalinets 30 March 2013 18: 59
      0
      Didn't notice "grandeur". Absolutely correct understanding of the current moment.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco 31 March 2013 06: 56
        0
        Pay attention to the photos, polite and delicate. You won’t throw words out of a song, On the face of the USA are kind, but terrible inside laughing
  12. Atlon
    Atlon 30 March 2013 09: 57
    0
    Ivashov can not believe it, but meanwhile Sev. Korea declared war on South. Today's morning news.
    And it’s strange to hear about Euro-missile defense ... Recently, he shouted something else ... Actually, I don’t like Ivashov, and even now they’ll give me minuses, but he’s kind of ... Hysterical, not serious. So, whistle, for nothing that an officer.
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      nickname 1 and 2 30 March 2013 10: 35
      +1
      Quote: Atlon
      I don’t like Ivashov,


      I support! Speak ingeniously, but, somewhere, just like ZY = everything is not so and so.

      These ships are in the north of 93! We still need to build them. Well built and can come in only in the summer. Well, come in - in the coastal zone? (further ice) And the coastal?
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        nickname 1 and 2 30 March 2013 10: 46
        +2
        It would be good for Mr. Ivashov to think of such an option: here was a blow - a retaliatory strike. USA - Russia and China does not have a desire to finish off the USA?
        It’s easy! ABMs are out of order, everything is destroyed. Well, that's practical if you approach? Fuck them in the Stone Age to already be left without evil on the planet.
        Our territory, as it may still be useful, (because rivers, water) and the USA -?
        Let it ever be opened again!

        So the United States needs to think about such an option.
        1. Stalinets
          Stalinets 30 March 2013 19: 09
          0
          My dear, you figure out where in the USA evil crawled. Before you gouge someone, you need to figure out who to gouge. Yes and with what. China, evil is no less than the United States. Only the United States is at everyone's ears. Meanwhile, the United States, this is a goal. These are just fists that are not even controlled by the United States. Magen Dovid is also in Chinese yuan. Does this not tell you anything? ....
          1. rolik
            rolik 30 March 2013 21: 34
            0
            Quote: Stalinist
            Yes and with what. China, evil is no less than the USA

            In China, there are no Jews in power when they sit in power. China will automatically become a resident of evil bully
        2. gladiatorakz
          gladiatorakz 31 March 2013 12: 37
          0
          Quote: nick 1 and 2
          Fuck them in the Stone Age to already be left without evil on the planet.

          laughing Is this a joke of humor? Or do you really think so black and white?
      2. bord731
        bord731 30 March 2013 15: 46
        0
        Quote: nick 1 and 2
        Well, they built it and they can only go in the summer

        That is, you need to be afraid only in the summer - and in the winter you can hibernate? So in your opinion it turns out?
      3. CARBON
        CARBON 30 March 2013 23: 28
        +1
        It is no longer necessary to build them, they are all in the ranks of 22 "Ticonderogi" and 62 "Arleigh Burke" + 13 "AB" will be completed. Since 2015, they will accept everything in their cellars instead of SM-2, SM-3 missiles, which do not differ in size. Each T can carry up to 80 SM-3 missiles, Arley Burke up to 74. The deployment of this system could lead to the possibility of intercepting missiles from SSBNs at the time of launch. At this moment, the rocket accelerates and this is the most vulnerable part of the trajectory. The North Sea and the Pacific Ocean do not freeze in areas of possible patrolling by the missile defense squadron. This is a big nuisance, to say the least.
        This is a challenge to Russia as a state.
    2. SPACE
      SPACE 30 March 2013 15: 06
      -4
      Leonid Ivashov: “From our side it was nonsense to perceive EuroPRO as the main threat”
      For that, he honestly admits his stupidity, "Mikhalych, ... I don’t think about it, have you decided? K / f Kandahar ...
      Quote: Atlon
      So, whistle, for nothing that an officer.
  13. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 30 March 2013 10: 13
    +4
    with our nuclear weapons ... even if they stop 90 percent of the missiles, the world will burn from the nuclear holocaust anyway, all these missile defense systems are just stupid in fact .....
  14. RUSmen
    RUSmen 30 March 2013 10: 30
    +7
    We remember the year 2008, when it was the Aegis ship system that shot down an American satellite that crashed at an altitude of 247 km. This is what makes me laugh for a long time, amers and on the fields of the Internet rattle about such heights, but their Aegis is similar to our S-400 (approximately), only ours declare that the height is up to 30 km, and who hangs the Rollton? In general, people think about the dimensions of rockets for a flight to the ISS (into space) (ISS-100-120 km height), compare and estimate approximately how much cargo these rockets carry, respectively, what dimensions should Ijev's rockets have. 247km request
    1. Sirocco
      Sirocco 30 March 2013 10: 33
      +3
      History repeats itself. As is the case with SDI.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 30 March 2013 11: 10
        +2
        Quote: Sirocco
        thorium is repeated. As is the case with SDI.

        In response to the deployment of .DPRO., Russia must launch satellites with nuclear weapons on board into space. This will give a guarantee of security.
        And of course, the adoption of the 5 generation of nuclear submarines ... and unmanned nuclear submarines.
        1. bord731
          bord731 30 March 2013 15: 53
          -1
          Quote: cosmos111
          .Russia must launch satellites, with nuclear weapons on board into space. This will give a guarantee of security.

          By international agreement, not a single country has the right to launch JBF into space ... Only for this I put you minus ..
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 30 March 2013 16: 58
            +2
            Quote: bord731
            By international agreement, not a single country has the right to launch JBF into space ... Only for this I put you minus ..

            And why do you monitor the observance of international treaties and punish violators with "-"? laughing
            Well, ka minusani of the USA ?!
            And I minus the fools, now I’m thinking about your account?
          2. Stalinets
            Stalinets 30 March 2013 19: 19
            0
            Nato, around the world, has placed the antenna fields of the HAARP system. They, these YaBCh, in space do not need nafig. An earthquake or flood or snowfall is terrible, it is much more effective. Yes and contain, cheaper.
  15. wax
    wax 30 March 2013 11: 51
    +2
    If you look at the map, it becomes obvious that it is the north that will become the region of the state naval build-up, because from the north, without interference from other states, it is possible to "break through" Russia throughout its territory, which, combined with the threat from space, poses a deadly external threat to Russia (there is also an internal threat and a threat from the southern Wahhabist movement through the Caucasus and Asia). So Ivashov is absolutely right in this case. But, as follows from the measures taken on defense, the Commander-in-Chief of the RF Armed Forces understands this well.
    From all borders you beat them!
    Left edge! Right edge! Do not snooze!
  16. VenDora
    VenDora 30 March 2013 12: 01
    +1
    No wonder that means the submarines of projects 945 are being reanimated - we are not doing well ...
  17. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 30 March 2013 12: 11
    +2
    The creation of tension around the DPRK is another slanderous company of the Western media, which has no real basis.
    The DPRK does not have enough weapons even to attack South Korea, but there is no question about the USA military bases.
    Yusovtsy need a justification for another aggression, as was the case in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and other countries.
    In the north, building up forces for the USA is very difficult, they do not have surface ships capable of sailing in the ice of the Arctic Ocean, and they have enough land bases in Scandinavia and Alaska.
  18. elmi
    elmi 30 March 2013 12: 30
    +4
    Well done Ivashov, explained briefly and readily
  19. lechatormosis
    lechatormosis 30 March 2013 13: 23
    +2
    whether the US is building a missile defense system in EUROPE or chasing its ships with ISIS around the world
    these factors should only give our MILITARY MANAGEMENT an additional reason to deploy their weapons systems (but this should not be a race for the USA)
    Our military science must find an adequate answer to such challenges - and should have done this yesterday.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 30 March 2013 14: 33
      +1
      ... something tells me that this is all right, what needs to be done, an asymmetric answer. Only we will know in years through ... eleven.
      Anecdote:
      American scientists invented a time machine, and Barack Obama asks her:
      Will there be a war?
      The car answers: Yes!
      And how much will Coca-Cola cost after the war?
      30 cents.
  20. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 13: 49
    0
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    Quote: cosmos111
    If ON use nuclear weapons, and yankers in response, can cover the whole Far East.
    And how China will behave in this situation

    Frankly, at the moment I am most concerned about what the Russian Foreign Ministry is doing.
    Pyongyang's declaration of war was the result of inaccurate translation- It is reported by RIA Novosti. According to the agency, the original text of the statement from North Korea only says that Pyongyang will act “according to the laws of the war”, and in the case of provocations against the DPRK, the conflict could escalate into a “full-scale and even nuclear war.” - hi
  21. Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 March 2013 15: 08
    0
    It seems to me that things will not come to war. Ynka is also not (I hope) and should understand that Amer Pokh will be on the ecology of the Korean Peninsula if at least one of his missiles (rather accidentally) reaches them. By the way, in theory, the southerners from this pain will grab problems.
  22. dropout
    dropout 30 March 2013 16: 05
    0
    I am not an expert in military strategy, and it seems to me that the EUROpro issue is more political than military.
  23. Veteran
    Veteran 30 March 2013 16: 40
    +6
    In this case, Ivashov is right, a non-nuclear strike from the sea is the most dangerous for our country.
    In July 2010, the Department of Advanced Research of the United States Department of Defense (DARPA) launched a project to create a new long-range strike system (UBBD), called “ArcLight”. The new USBD should include a launch vehicle with a planning hypersonic aircraft (GZLA). It is planned to use standard-3 mod marching stages for a missile. bl. 2, moreover, the booster rocket along with the GZLA in its dimensions must allow its placement in air defense units of the Mk 41 type, the total number of which in the US Navy today reaches 8500 units. Arklayt DBMS will have to ensure the delivery of combat payload of 500 – 1000 kg in weight over a distance of 3,8 thousand km in a time not exceeding 30 min. According to the leadership of DARPA, the Arclight system should go primarily to the arsenal of drums surface and submarine forces of the fleet.
    The performance characteristics of the new strike system announced by DARPA allow us to conclude that we are dealing with one of the weapons specially developed in the United States for the new operational-strategic concept “Global strike”.
    With the help of such striking aids, the American military hopes to quickly “break the door” into the combat space held by the enemy at the very beginning of the conflict so that he loses the opportunity not only to control the situation, but also to provide any kind of resistance, thereby clearing himself the path for further decisive action .
    There is no doubt that the mass entry into the US arsenal of strike systems like Arclight will pose a rather serious threat to the military security of the Russian Federation.
  24. Stalinets
    Stalinets 30 March 2013 19: 13
    0
    Ivashov, absolutely right. You can disagree with him, but only until you think about it. yes
  25. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 30 March 2013 20: 00
    -2
    Ivashov is the wisest man; there is no reason not to agree with him.
    1. Stalinets
      Stalinets 31 March 2013 00: 36
      0
      I absolutely agree with you! yes
  26. Veteran
    Veteran 30 March 2013 20: 26
    +4
    In addition to the foregoing, I will present a schematic diagram of one of the likely missile strike variants against Russia. True, it is designed for the SLCM range to the order of 2500 km, i.e. maximum for today's potential SLCM of the USA. From here looms the task of our forces to disrupt the delivery of such attacks - the timely destruction of SLCM carriers.
  27. Veteran
    Veteran 30 March 2013 20: 29
    +4
    I'm trying to attach.
  28. Veteran
    Veteran 30 March 2013 20: 32
    +4
    I attach
  29. SPACE
    SPACE 31 March 2013 10: 13
    +3
    Mr. Ivashev is just an statistician, and states the obvious things that were known many years ago. He either does not know or does not say anything, considering everyone is near-minded.
    What is the American missile defense? This is a missile defense system, with the ability to work on airplanes, i.e. to carry out the functions of including and air defense. The Aegis and Thad missile defense systems are based on kinetic interception, i.e. instead of the warhead is a blank, which is supposed to hit exactly on target. Look at the parameters of the SM-3 rocket, diameter 30cm, length 6m, three stages and altitude 250 km, what weight can the disc have? I think no more than 30-50 kg.
    There are three options for its use:
    1. Intercepting an attacking warhead from near space. No one canceled the problems, very high rates of convergence and the reaction time of the system, or lag. It is necessary to constantly calculate the trajectory and speed, transmit a signal to the rocket and still time to adjust the rocket itself. Not a single system, even the fastest, has the ability to predict the behavior of the target, unless we are dealing with linear laws, this is when the speed is constant and the trajectory is known, then the place and time of the meeting can be predicted, this is the physics of the 5 class. And if the target is maneuvering, not linear parameters, then everything becomes complicated many times over, and if there is also a massive attack, then put out the light. And there are still problems of radar, guidance is due to ground-based radars, space systems and a homing head, Americans do not have exclusive rights to electromagnetic waves, there are many ways to insert sticks into wheels, these are electronic warfare equipment, etc. And personally, my technical intuition says that the possibility of this interception is mathematically very close to zero. And they know about it both here and there, only one Mr. Ivashev is not in the know. If anyone is not in the know, explain the problems of creating A-35 and 135, and their conclusions, by the way, the first interception is still 1961.
    2. The second follows from the first: Understanding the low efficiency and reliability of intercepting BBs, they began to move anti-missiles closer to the borders and develop the marine component, so that they could no longer intercept warheads but launch missiles, here the chances increase, but again, large distances to the location of missile silos and on its territory it is even easier to provide radio suppression. This creates big problems for the strategic submarine fleet, but even on takeoff it is possible to nullify the missile defense, before launching, provide for the detonation of an electromagnetic bomb at altitudes of 50 km, which will lead to a malfunction in the operation of all electronic guidance systems and allow the missiles to freely ascend to the stage of separation of the RFM.
    3. And the second follows from the second, but it seems to me the main and planned from the very beginning.
    This is an opportunity to replace tactical warheads and interceptors with a tactical warhead and strike already directly at the object of strategic defense. There is no point in talking about replacing with a conventional warhead, such a small amount of explosives can only scratch the shaft cover. This is precisely the danger, including especially when deployed in Europe, with this we return to the time of 80 to place the Pershing. As a result, we have a dual-purpose system and no guarantees, and all this is known to those interested in at least all of 15's recent years. But tomahawks and other subsonic missiles are not a problem at all. And Ivashev just now fell from the moon. And we are going north ...
    Z.Y. If thieves pick up keys in your open door, what is their intention? The best way is not to change the locks, but to go out and give the fitting on the head ... my opinion.
  30. Veteran
    Veteran 31 March 2013 13: 30
    +4
    It was about the prevailing danger of a variant of massive SLCM missile strikes, approximately according to the scheme below (the option is designed for missiles with a practical range of destruction of up to 2500 km). The Americans believe that this will require at least 20 thousand SLCMs.
  31. Veteran
    Veteran 31 March 2013 16: 23
    +5
    Quote: SPACE
    But tomahawks and other subsonic missiles are not a problem at all.

    Do you think that it is possible to repulse massive missile attacks against ground targets and destroy SLCMs flying from different strategic directions in the amount of more than 20 thousand missiles? I personally doubt it. Tearing off such aggression is necessary by striking at SLCM carriers, and they will be at the time of launch in the near and far sea zones. Therefore, we need diverse operational groups of the Navy capable of operating effectively along the enemy’s naval forces in the far sea zone.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE 31 March 2013 19: 09
      +2
      Quote: Veteran
      Do you think that it is possible to repulse massive missile attacks against ground targets and destroy SLCMs flying from different strategic directions in the amount of more than 20 thousand missiles?

      Writing and thinking about it is easier than doing it. Read Shipunov "Give us a tamahawk" All enemy strike weapons must be linked to the doctrine of "retaliatory strike", launched a tamahawk, received a mace.
      Quote: Veteran
      Therefore, we need diverse operational groups of the Navy capable of operating effectively along the enemy’s naval forces in the far sea zone.

      With two hands behind I especially like the Eagles.
  32. Veteran
    Veteran 31 March 2013 20: 35
    +6
    Quote: SPACE
    launched a tamahawk, got a mace

    Americans began calculating the planning of the possibility of a massive first missile strike by non-nuclear means - strategic missiles during the Bush era in 2007, and it laid the idea of ​​defeating Russia’s 85% of the nuclear potential, believing that they could cope with the rest with missile defense.
    1. SPACE
      SPACE April 1 2013 00: 07
      0
      Even earlier, we planned in the 80's, precisely to counter the tomahawks, we made the A-50 long-range radar detection aircraft, including and low flying targets. The tomahawk has the speed like a civilian plane, even when Ben was driven to Afghanistan, while a rocket flies from the bay, you can rush to eat and sleep, but to shoot down even easier, you can use a needle. Therefore, it’s difficult to organize a massive strike anyway, they will go with a time gap, but until they reach the spur through the forest ... it is doubtful. That's why they refused, now they have a new GLA chip.
  33. bazzz
    bazzz April 1 2013 02: 55
    0
    It’s easy!
  34. Veteran
    Veteran April 1 2013 13: 38
    +5
    Quote: SPACE
    go with a time gap

    Unified control systems make it possible to carry out a synchronized multi-thousandth volley of KR from different carriers in the time interval of 5 minutes.
    There are deep doubts about the "SAM forest" in different strategic directions.