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Is Russia returning to Afghanistan?

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Interesting news Came from the Ministry of Defense of the country. It is reported that representatives of the main military department of Russia intend to discuss with representatives of the North Atlantic Alliance the possibility of creating Russian (or joint) bases in Afghanistan, where military equipment will be serviced and repaired. Such an idea was shared by Sergey Koshelev, head of the Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of Russia.




This idea emerged due to the fact that in 2014, the combined ISAF contingent will have to leave the territory of Afghanistan (at least, quite recently, representatives of the American authorities stated this), and the security of the citizens of Afghanistan will have to be controlled by the Afghan army. According to representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense, a large number of American military equipment will remain at the disposal of the Afghan army, plus the Soviet-style equipment that went to the Afghans after the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1989. If not to assist the Afghan armed forces in terms of technical maintenance of this equipment, then it can in a short time turn into a pile of scrap metal and will not serve the purpose of protecting civilians, Russian military officials say.

It is reported that Russian specialists could deploy bases in the same place where the bases of the Americans are now located (most of these bases were once deployed by Soviet troops during the 1979-1989 war). The emphasis is on the fact that the Russians know Afghanistan well and are ready even now to begin to help the local army to maintain the military equipment in its combat-ready state.

Such news gives some food for thought. On the one hand, the idea of ​​the Russian Ministry of Defense seems quite robust and aimed at a positive result in the future. Apparently, representatives of the military department believe that if the Americans and their closest allies decide to withdraw troops from Afghanistan in 2014, then there will be a vacuum that would be nice to fill with their presence. It can be assumed that the defense ministry decided for a long time what status of Russia should be returned to Afghanistan in order, let's say, to stake out the territory.

It is obvious that the entry of Russian troops into this country would have caused a real shock inside Russia itself, which (when the USSR was in existence) had already eaten all the “charms” of participation in the Afghan war. The new introduction of the military contingent would have caused a predictable reaction of a clearly negative nature among the Russians. In this regard, it was decided to fill the vacuum in other ways. One of the most digestible ways is technical assistance to the emerging Afghan army, which should set the Afghans in good-neighborly relations with Russia, declaring their readiness to help with maintenance.

However, this idea has a downside, which looks very doubtful. The fact is that Russia wants to begin coordinating its hypothetical return to Afghanistan with NATO, and this makes it possible for NATO to feel itself the obvious master of the situation. They say, we want - we will give good, we don’t go - let's, goodbye ... But we should not forget that Russia, when talking about Afghanistan with Brussels and Washington, has that trump card, which all this time was perceived, frankly speaking, with great skepticism. This trump card is the famous NATO transit point in Ulyanovsk. Recently, the media began to forget about this point, however, the Ulyanovsk TPK continues to be actively used. In particular, as recently as February 2013 of the year special cargoes were sent to the ISAF contingent (its British segment) through Ulyanovsk to Afghanistan. Information that the TPC in Ulyanovsk is actively working, confirmed the special representative of Russia to NATO, Mr. Grushko.

If the Ulyanovsk transit center works, then it can really be used as a trump card. Moreover, Moscow may well show Washington the presence of this TOC on its territory as an object for achieving favorable agreements for Moscow. And, apparently, the official Russian authorities today believe that the deployment of military-technical expert groups at bases in Afghanistan is a profitable enterprise for Russia.

In this case, if Washington and Brussels begin to balk about the fact that they, they say, will be able to provide technical assistance to the Afghans without any Russian intervention, then Moscow may well explicitly announce to the Western "partners" the unexpected closure of the Ulyanovsk base. The reasons can be found above the roof: from the repair of the runway to an unscheduled translation to the new standards of cargo services for the Ulyanovsk airfield.

So, let us assume that the Russian representatives of the Ministry of Defense talked with their NATO (American) colleagues about the fact that technical specialists could come to Afghanistan to assist in the repair of military equipment and its equipment by Afghan soldiers. Let us assume that the American military, fearing to lose the cargo corridor through Ulyanovsk, made concessions to Russia and, reluctantly, through clenched teeth, filtered their “Yes”. What next? For what purpose is the Defense Ministry going to return the Russians (technical groups) to Afghanistan?

Apparently, the plans see not so much assistance in the repair and maintenance of military equipment, as the building of bridges with the forces that may be at the top of political power in the country. What are these powers? If you believe the current head of Afghanistan, Hamid Karzai, it is he and his supporters, who are confident that after the withdrawal of NATO troops from the country, life here will become safer. However, it is increasingly coming from Qatar that Karzai is seeking contacts with representatives of the Taliban movement, which (the movement) in Doha has opened its office. And if we consider that Qatar is a state that is considered by the United States to be one of its main allies in the region, then it would be naive to believe that Washington has no relation to the opening of the Taliban’s representation in the capital of this dwarf country. If you collect all the information presented in one basket, it turns out that Qatar opened the Taliban office, at least with the tacit consent of Washington, and, at most, with its direct instructions. Hamid Karzai, realizing that the US is playing a double game (which, in fact, this state has always been different), also decided to find certain rear services in case he suddenly had to be with the Taliban one-on-one after the withdrawal of Western troops from Afghanistan. And if Karzai and the Taliban "meet" after the withdrawal of NATO troops from Afghanistan, then Karzai is unlikely to keep his seat. At the same time, representatives of the Taliban movement say that since the last negotiations with the American side (and such negotiations were held in 2012), there have not been any new negotiations with the Americans. Should the statement about stopping Talibo-US contacts be worth believing? - big question.

Against this background, the ongoing backstage games of the United States with the Afghan authorities, the Taliban and Qatar, and the attempts of the Afghan authorities themselves to get airbags from both Washington and Doha and the Taliban, Russia declares its readiness to return to Afghanistan. With all due respect for the idea of ​​restoring a certain Russian influence on the territory of Afghanistan, it is unlikely that the technical mission can really close the tasks that Moscow is setting for itself. To decide on technical assistance to the Afghan army, which today the United States mainly uses to protect poppy plantations and mini-plants for the production of opiates, to say the least, strange.

Another thing is if Russia is going to somehow influence the situation with drug production in Afghanistan, which has long become a huge problem for Russia, because every year a continuous stream of heroin flows from Afghanistan to the Russian Federation through the countries of Central Asia, killing dozens (or and hundreds) of thousands of our compatriots annually. It would be really nice to cut this Gordian knot, but it would be extremely difficult to do so. If we take into account that drug production in Afghanistan is at hand both for the Americans and for the majority of local residents, then it’s time to start contacting not with the current authorities, but with the same Taliban, at which drug traffic fell to a historical minimum. Only now contacts with the Taliban themselves will look, to put it mildly, doubtful, because it is through this terrorist structure that the threat of extremism can come for the southern borders of the CIS. What is the result? Changing drug traffic to extremist traffic? Also, God knows what achievement ...

In general, it is necessary to speak about variants of well-thought-out plans for controlling the Afghan situation, only if the plans are really thought-out. If, for the time being, everything is at the level of “should” and “well would be”, then it would be better for the Ministry of Defense to begin to work out an unambiguous position on the real tasks that Russia is going to solve in Afghanistan. Well, in fact, our technical experts are not going to repair “UAZ” Afghans as a sign of great friendship between nations ...
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  1. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek April 1 2013 09: 33 New
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    in my opinion, one should not return to Afghanistan. But targeted attacks on the drug mafia by special forces can be applied
    1. Starksa
      Starksa April 1 2013 10: 02 New
      31
      once fly on a cornfield and pollinate the plantation, which then nothing will grow for another 100 years. well, or pointwise, only poppy will not grow
      1. танк
        танк April 1 2013 10: 31 New
        12
        only this along the way is not beneficial to anyone, otherwise it has been done for a long time !!!
        1. Yapatriot
          Yapatriot April 1 2013 22: 28 New
          +1
          amers earn on drugs they have the same type of golden billion
      2. Zubr
        Zubr April 1 2013 23: 32 New
        +5
        Already sprayed some kind of drug, but not a herbicide. And literally that year, if I’m not mistaken. Result, the poppy ceased to secrete opium extract (milk), I think ours worked hard.
      3. Comrade1945
        Comrade1945 April 2 2013 02: 13 New
        0
        once fly on a cornfield and pollinate the plantation, which then nothing will grow for another 100 years. well, or pointwise, only poppy will not grow


        I think a few tens of tons of salt is enough.
        Transport aircraft in the studio, as they say
        1. antiaircrafter
          antiaircrafter April 2 2013 09: 00 New
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          Quote: Comrade1945
          Transport aircraft

          Yeah ... and then sprinkle salt under poppy bushes with a scoop ...
    2. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 April 1 2013 10: 20 New
      +6
      opium fields so it is necessary to burn ... napalm ....
    3. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter April 1 2013 11: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: Ragnarek
      targeted attacks on drug mafia by special forces can be applied

      To strike - you need to have a base. At least under the guise of repair.
      Quote: StarkSA
      fly on corn

      will not allow flight range. Yes, and easy to bring down.
    4. alex_asch
      alex_asch April 1 2013 17: 54 New
      +2
      most likely, including for this, MTRs are now being created
    5. edge
      edge April 1 2013 21: 12 New
      +3
      the guys need help getting off the heroin needle, then the drug transit to us will be reduced. They still remember that the Russians helped them build roads, schools and hospitals ...........
  2. avt
    avt April 1 2013 09: 35 New
    19
    What do you want to call it, request but here’s the best way to lean against drug trafficking for some people. In the current territorial post of the Soviet alignment with misunderstandings in Central Asia, you won’t squeeze anything more. Well, for sure, someone was going to drive drugs at the budget expense. negative
    1. SCS
      SCS April 1 2013 12: 29 New
      +6
      avt +++++, otherwise well, we really need Afghanistan ......!
      ---- "According to representatives of the Russian Ministry of Defense, the Afghan army will have at its disposal a large number of American military equipment plus the Soviet-style equipment that the Afghans got after the withdrawal of Soviet troops in 1989. If you do not provide assistance to the Afghan armed forces in terms of technical servicing this equipment, then it can turn into a pile of scrap metal in a short time and will not serve the purpose of protecting civilians, Russian military officials say.
      The emphasis is on the fact that the Russians are well aware of Afghanistan and are ready, even now, to begin to help the local army to maintain the military equipment that it has got in operational condition.
      Apparently, the plans see not so much help in the repair and maintenance of military equipment as building bridges with the forces that may be at the top of political power in the country.
      It’s another matter if Russia is going to somehow influence precisely the situation with drug production in Afghanistan. "
      -------------------
      incomprehensible goals ... well, incomprehensible! those. specialists - this is a rem company based on the Afghan? or is it rem. plant? pretext for the presence of troops to address drug trafficking issues? it’s better to strengthen the borders and repair and maintain your equipment in OTS!
      the meaning of cooperation with afghan? if there was one, then the amers never left there! so no need to step on the same rake !!!!!!
      1. smirnov
        smirnov April 1 2013 22: 40 New
        +3
        Well, Russian military officials would be sent there, since they consider it necessary)))
  3. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 April 1 2013 09: 37 New
    +8
    And there is nothing for us to do there. Let these tough guys in the form of the Taliban on the one hand and NATO on the other gut each other themselves. And after the departure of the latter, an altercation between the Afghans themselves will continue ...
    1. smel
      smel April 1 2013 09: 46 New
      +9
      And we have nothing to do there.
      I agree. And even the nonsense about establishing ties with the future political elite of this country is not encouraging. Losing more than gaining
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 1 2013 12: 00 New
        +8
        Quote: smel
        I agree. And even the nonsense about establishing ties with the future political elite of this country is not encouraging. Losing more than gaining

        Oh damn, I remembered the urgency of military unit 2 .... Termez ... No need to send anyone there ..
        PMCs, for money, under a contract .. only so ..
      2. Volkhov
        Volkhov April 1 2013 12: 54 New
        -4
        Afghanistan is a non-flooding territory, only because there are Americans, they bought the loyalty of the Russian elite for traffic on railways and through Ulyanovsk, but in the end you have to pay a place on the future island for a narrow group - therefore, the base is the same as Altai for Pu and close .
        1. Ragnarek
          Ragnarek April 1 2013 12: 56 New
          +4
          what for .. if such commentators like you!
      3. ansons
        ansons April 1 2013 15: 10 New
        +5
        What are you saying dear, and when the Taliban kill the government troops in Afghanistan, where do you think they will go? So they need help, with working equipment they get at least some chance against the Taliban. It’s better that our mechanics repair their equipment now (and they’ll still earn money) than later our military will fight with the Taliban defending fraternal republics.
    2. krasin
      krasin April 1 2013 17: 06 New
      +2
      They just want to distract us from their bad affairs. All the thieves, starting with the ministers, are inadequate, judging by the statement of the Ministry of Education, to abolish the Academy of Sciences, only the sash remains to smash before Nato, and complete distraction!
    3. Basarev
      Basarev 1 February 2014 12: 30 New
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      Personally, my sympathies are on the side of the Taliban. Our views converge in relation to drugs - both I and the Taliban look at any manifestations of drugs like the communists at all sorts of dogmas and canons.
      1. Same lech
        Same lech 1 February 2014 12: 35 New
        0
        Well, now for your statements, the NSA has put you on the list of alleged terrorists — and the United States will demand your extradition for trial under American law. smile
  4. domokl
    domokl April 1 2013 09: 44 New
    +7
    The most stupid thing that Russia can do in this region is to start working there in alliance with the Americans ... Thus, we sort of share responsibility for everything that happens there ... Yes, and the 79 and 13 years are a little different. ..We do not have borders with Afghanistan, which means that a lot of additional concessions to the Asian allies will have to be made ..
  5. erased
    erased April 1 2013 10: 01 New
    +9
    If the contingent in Afghanistan will include the sons of generals, deputies, oligarchs, bureaucrats of various ranks, and only they will be sent there at all - okay. And on the 201 base in Tajikistan they will serve only.
    And they want to substitute under the trunks of spirits our ordinary guys, who can be thrown with money, and with benefits and just thrown them there. In Soviet times, this could not be, but now as much as you want.
    So don’t get the hell out of this Afghan ass ... if you have to pay at least a drop of blood of the Russian people for political benefits!
    1. Anti
      Anti April 1 2013 10: 56 New
      +4
      Quote: erased
      If the contingent in Afghanistan will include the sons of generals, deputies, oligarchs, bureaucrats of various ranks, and only they will be sent there at all - okay.


      They will rub the pants in the headquarters, will return with military awards to their homeland, while they will tell everyone how they heroically drove Dushmans there. winked

      So don’t get the hell out of this Afghan ass ...


      et for sure, reinforce the border guards many times and for now
      1. Captain Vrungel
        Captain Vrungel April 1 2013 11: 26 New
        -1
        Where did you see the border between Russia and Afghanistan? If you reinforce the border guards, then along the border of Russia and the Asian republics. To make a real, impregnable border, and not where I want, there is delirium. Stay in Afghanistan? What song "Black Tulip" have already been forgotten?
        1. Anti
          Anti April 1 2013 11: 38 New
          -1
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Where did you see the border between Russia and Afghanistan?


          I’m talking about the 201st Russian base in Tajikistan, they are like border guards, but in general it used to be there.

          What song "Black Tulip" have already been forgotten?


          I am not, but teenager?
          1. Captain Vrungel
            Captain Vrungel April 1 2013 12: 31 New
            +2
            God forbid that for a teenager the "Black Tulip" only remains in memory.
            He served there and I know that the 201st hole on the border cannot be plugged, and it is protected by the Tajiks. It stands as a stabilizer of relative calm in Dushanbe. And to local souls, to a light bulb, the nationality of the peacekeepers present. They shoot in the area of ​​their presence, steal from the Gentiles.
    2. domokl
      domokl April 1 2013 11: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      If the contingent in Afghanistan will include the sons of generals, deputies, oligarchs, bureaucrats of various ranks, and only they will be sent there at all - okay. And on the 201 base in Tajikistan they will serve only.
      Alas, in the eighties I didn’t see the above categories there .. But even if they go there, most of the coffins will still be given to the mothers of simple provincial towns and villages ... It's just that there will be hundreds of such boys ...
  6. click80
    click80 April 1 2013 10: 10 New
    +6
    I don’t understand this either. Well, technology will turn into scrap metal, then what's the difference. it’s better to strengthen the border than to help some kind of ghostly Afghan army “fight” with the Taliban. We have enough of our worries. Maybe then and call the Chinese there. and what, they are also not far from Afghanistan.
  7. Seaman
    Seaman April 1 2013 10: 18 New
    +1
    Nothing to do there, let them boil in their boiler. But of course, we need to fight drug trafficking.
  8. Fost325
    Fost325 April 1 2013 10: 22 New
    +1
    We can talk about the safety of the citizens of Afghanistan for a long time, but it was not bad to turn the Afghan drug flow towards a fleeing united contingent ISAF. And let them enjoy their drug democracy there, which they have been building in Afghanistan all this time. winked
  9. JonnyT
    JonnyT April 1 2013 10: 25 New
    +2
    Here 3,14 yes ... sys, again they want to drag in meaningless. meat grinder! B .... they divorced there, and now they want to shove this whole bunch of g ... onto us, moreover, under such "noble" methods! Then they themselves will trade with the Taliban stingers - with ... ki !!! But there are two sides to the coin. The other side is who controls Afghanistan that controls all of Asia !!! EGP is very profitable, plus there recently discovered huge deposits of platinum and not only !!!! So think for yourself! If the Taliban is defeated, then Afghanistan can become the pearl of Asia !!!!
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 1 2013 12: 11 New
      10
      Quote: JonnyT
      who controls Afghanistan that controls all of Asia !!! EGP is very profitable, plus there recently discovered huge deposits of platinum and not only !!!! So think for yourself! If the Taliban is defeated, then Afghanistan can become the pearl of Asia !!!!


      If my grandmother had horseradish ... Well done amer ... Here they’ll replace Karimov with some Bukhara Jew from the states and they will have control in the heart of Asia, and we will tackle them with the Taliban under their strict control from a tolerant and democratized Uzbekistan .. No, let it be swept out
      and ...
      1. bask
        bask April 1 2013 16: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: Ascetic
        from here they will replace Karimov with some Bukhara Jew from the states and they will have control

        And we, WHICH ONE PLACE CLICK., The amers are already hosting in Slovakia.
        And Russia accepts their guest workers.
        A million Uzbeks in Russia on a train and home to Uzbekistan .. then we will see a Bukhara Jew from the states rule in the country.
        The leader must be from a country at the level of Russia, at the level of I.V. Stalin. And so zilch ...
        .One words, Verbal diarrhea and complete impotence in actions at the international level.
        The power to seize the floor of the matter. We must still manage the power wisely. And the power is confused. There is not any meaningful policy in Central Asia
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 April 1 2013 14: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      recently discovered huge platinum deposits and more!


      Nobody discovered anything there, exploration work in Afghanistan was stopped 35 years ago. And in principle, there can be no platinum, according to geological conditions.
  10. Kurkin
    Kurkin April 1 2013 10: 29 New
    +3
    Introduce the contingent there - step on the same rake. The only option is ground reconnaissance of poppy plantations for their subsequent burning with the help of aviation, and then only after NATO leaves it.
  11. Semyon Albertovich
    Semyon Albertovich April 1 2013 10: 30 New
    +1
    It is a dangerous nonsense to follow American wishes in order to please them; they can make this process endless. Recall the zagagulins of Yeltsin in favor of the United States or the Medvedevsky “pass” of the resolution on Libya. In the modern world, Russia's policy should be new: no military bases in a foreign territory - this is only the dependence of the Russian Federation on the country of arrival and the unnecessary expenditure of resources.
  12. click80
    click80 April 1 2013 10: 46 New
    +4
    And in general, I hope this is an April Fool’s joke. moreover, unsuccessful
  13. Humpty
    Humpty April 1 2013 10: 55 New
    +2
    What to do there? Let the perfumes repair the cars themselves.
  14. Bombowoz
    Bombowoz April 1 2013 10: 56 New
    +1
    Or maybe the Afghans remember that in addition to the war, we also built, unlike the Americans? Or maybe behind the amers’s back we will be able to agree with the Taliban? Still, many Afghans, judging by the media, regret that we left at one time. Do not just drag your troops. Maybe the calculation is that the people themselves will figure it out? The main thing is to remove the detonator "America". And then you can talk with the Central Asian brothers on their own terms.
  15. demon ada
    demon ada April 1 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    First, sue (world) the United States and NATO for the genocide of the Afghan people.
    and then we'll see
  16. Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 April 1 2013 11: 17 New
    +4
    Funny guys in the Kremlin live.
    Do they seriously believe that the Afghans will not do without Russian specialists?
    There would be technology, and the Afghans themselves will be able to service it, for so many years of the war this is hardly a problem for them.
    But the massacre in the event of interference in the affairs of Afghanistan will certainly be, none of the bandits will not understand why the Russians came.
    1. DDR
      DDR April 1 2013 18: 05 New
      +1
      Quote: Corsair5912
      There would be technology, and the Afghans themselves will be able to service it, for so many years of the war it is hardly a problem for them. But the massacre in case of interference in the affairs of Afghanistan will definitely be, none of the bandits will understand why the Russians came

      For more than 20 years they served it, and now they needed specialists?
      "minke whales" want to substitute us again! And even if they will only repair ours, then in the case of shelling, what will the Taliban take apart where the Russians are and where the amers are?
  17. maximus
    maximus April 1 2013 11: 23 New
    +1
    Quote: smel

    And there is nothing for us to do there.
    I agree. And even the nonsense about establishing ties with the future political elite of this country is not encouraging. Losing more than gaining

    I agree why the old rake!
  18. Vrungel78
    Vrungel78 April 1 2013 11: 40 New
    +2
    I share the general opinion that there is nothing to do there. It is necessary to set the task for our biologists to create special bugs that only eat hemp and poppy, and plant this landing there
  19. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka April 1 2013 11: 51 New
    +3
    Afghanistan, Tajikistan is a problem for everyone, it's drugs. If someone thinks that it is possible to close the border, then he is naive. Nobody knows how to solve this problem, because everything is not so simple, so they are rushing around. When the Taliban came to power, at first it also completely crushed the cultivation of drugs. But life is a tough thing, the state needs money, and they began to grow drugs. Motivating this with the fact that it is for infidels. Until 1978, Afghanistan was the largest supplier of raisins, and now the market is already occupied, it just will not give up. And as for NATO, the USA, it is necessary to end the ideology, because drugs kill both Americans and Europeans, and Russians.
    The problem is easy to create, hard to solve, and at this stage, as I understand it, there is no recipe, and nobody knows what to do.
  20. Yura
    Yura April 1 2013 12: 03 New
    +1
    At first, I thought: “Twenty-five again, the same children's rake again,” but after some thought I realized that, in principle, real interaction with Afghanistan (I’ll notice, with Afghanistan and not with NATO) is necessary. But how to build it? And here it would be good if this proposal came from Afghanistan, and it would be necessary after the referendum to take part in the whole population, all parties of this country, including opposition parties (including the Taliban), and if a decision is made that suits everyone, then yes . And if Karzai’s expectations are not met and he still doesn’t remain in power, the Russian presence will be legitimate and appropriate, because any government needs to maintain its military equipment and not only in order, and here any bridge remains for negotiations and cooperation with almost any government in the future, and the referendum itself would serve as the first common cause for all the opposing forces of the country. And by the way, it doesn’t matter what decision they make, the main thing for Russia is that it will fulfill it, and that is, the Afghans will see that they can do something together regardless of strife and that war between them is not obligatory. And I would also like to add interventionists for many NATO Afghans, and when they see that, in principle, they are talking with them and they decide, they will appreciate it anyway.
  21. antiaircrafter
    antiaircrafter April 1 2013 12: 07 New
    0
    Repair of Afghan junk, if necessary, can be arranged on the territory of 201 base. Preferably prepaid.
  22. Terkin
    Terkin April 1 2013 12: 08 New
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    There is nothing for us to do there, to fill the plantations with chemistry, so that nothing grows there. Now the president can send special forces abroad, it is possible to inflict targeted attacks on the leaders of the cartels.
  23. aviamed90
    aviamed90 April 1 2013 13: 29 New
    +2
    And we need it?
    The less weapons and equipment they have, the better! For all!
  24. Alex45
    Alex45 April 1 2013 13: 39 New
    0
    As for the blackmail of NATO troops in Ulyanovsk, this is nonsense. Not so much they need this base to make concessions for it. And it makes no sense to create repair bases for us in Afghanistan either. Well, imagine what they created and what? There will not be many military personnel, only to guard bases with technicians and mechanics from the Taliban. The Taliban will come to power, they will guard from Karzai’s associates. This time no one is going to build anything, no one, what kind of building and raising the standard of living in a warring country? It is unlikely that it will be possible to turn the tide and reconcile the warring parties, both are fighting not only for faith, but also for poppy plantations. That is, as already mentioned above, it is necessary to strengthen the borders and look for the opportunity to destroy poppy plantations without attracting attention to our country. After all, it seems that the Taliban, Karzai and Amers will unite in a moment and create a triple alliance against any country that wants to openly destroy their plantations.
  25. DEfindER
    DEfindER April 1 2013 13: 56 New
    +2
    In 1979, the USSR was a powerful country, and it could not do without heavy losses, now the Taliban are much better equipped and organized, but Russia has weakened on the contrary, the Russian Army can not stand any criticism compared to the USSR .. so the result is quite predictable. But something needs to be done with drug trafficking, I agree with the conduct of special operations by the Air Force against the drug mafia .. And if you still decide to send troops, then only contract soldiers or PMCs should not be allowed into conscripts!
    By the way, the NATO base in Ulyanovsk is actively working, I recently made sure myself, I took a picture of an American plane over Samara, apparently only the model could not determine the cargo ..
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY April 1 2013 14: 51 New
      +1
      IL-76 take a closer look
      1. DEfindER
        DEfindER April 1 2013 15: 54 New
        0
        In the form of a campaign Il, but for some reason the coloring is Amer’s, and the insignia is not ours ..
        1. BIGLESHIY
          BIGLESHIY April 10 2013 14: 20 New
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          The current coloring of the Russian Air Force
  26. pinecone
    pinecone April 1 2013 14: 14 New
    0
    Extremely dangerous undertaking.
  27. seed
    seed April 1 2013 14: 59 New
    +1
    Or is it a test ball? Look at the reaction of both sides.
  28. Parabelum
    Parabelum April 1 2013 15: 00 New
    +1
    Since the first of April, dear !!!!!
    1. seed
      seed April 1 2013 15: 08 New
      0
      Oh yes. The first of April, I forgot.
      The topic is painful, so the people have made a noise.
  29. Yastreb
    Yastreb April 1 2013 15: 03 New
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    "If you sit down to dine with the devil, stock up
    long spoon. "
    We crawl in, do not get wet.
  30. Black
    Black April 1 2013 15: 11 New
    +1
    They say that you won’t get into the same water twice .... And here it seems the second time, head over heels in der ... we can get into a mess.
    It is necessary to equip the eastern border in this way, to solve the issue of illegal migration.
  31. amp
    amp April 1 2013 15: 19 New
    0
    If you go back there, then only to fight drug trafficking.
    Build several fortresses, where to make sorties and those who plant poppies simply shoot on the spot. We’ll send a couple of hundred to the next world, the rest will start sowing potatoes ..... they kill hundreds of thousands with their foolishness.
  32. alex shnajder
    alex shnajder April 1 2013 16: 29 New
    +2
    c'mon, you can’t infect the plantation with a thread like a fungus, there would be a will, there would be a result.
  33. Arkan
    Arkan April 1 2013 16: 43 New
    -1
    It’s easier to negotiate with the Taliban. IMHO.
  34. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya April 1 2013 17: 06 New
    -1
    Yes, Afghanistan cannot be left unattended, and the poppy must be destroyed, but if we send specialists there, or someone under the guise of specialists, then the protection should be sent from the soldiers, but it's a pity the mothers whose sons return in zinc.
  35. Azaat
    Azaat April 1 2013 18: 28 New
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    There is no need for troops there, but an active group of troops on the territory of Tajikistan is needed there. A barrier to drug trafficking is needed, and if the Korzai government does not want peace with Russia, then the UN should solve the problem.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk April 1 2013 20: 41 New
      0
      We need a visa regime with this cesspool, and the deportation of all illegal immigrants and verification of the legality of obtaining Russian citizenship
  36. Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign April 1 2013 19: 10 New
    +2
    I would like to believe that, indeed, the first of April ...
    Otherwise, thoughts only about some obviously not healthy gesheft. Our troops in the DRA were provided, first of all, with the infrastructure of the USSR, which had, first of all, a common border with Afghanistan ... The railway to Termez (Hairaton) ... The main transportations were by rail. He himself accompanied the equipment to and from there on an emergency. In Termez, in general, the BSVG KSAVO (the so-called "Termez") was specially placed, which served precisely this direction of military traffic. Already from Hairaton everything was going by road, in columns. To step on the same rake as amers? Having given priority to air traffic? .. The cost price, for example, of spare parts, what will be taking into account such logistics. Safety and security also cost money. Hopes for security by the local armed forces and the police are just hopes. So the protection of the presence of our MTS in Afghanistan is our headache .... Everything must be considered very well. This is the first. Secondly: Yes! The area is important strategically. But having a connection with him only by air, how complete and high-quality will the representation of Russia's interests be and what will the content and constant support of the battalion, brigade, etc., performing exclusively security functions, result? Thirdly, it is necessary to clearly imagine how long H. Karzai will remain in power, or who is there now, after the departure of the amers and the coalition.
    A pure demonstration of the flag will not work, as well as the arrangement of an “unsinkable aircraft carrier in Central Asia” ... Be sure to get stuck in local squabbles between the Taliban - the Taliban, tribes and clans ... Something else needs to be projected into the force in the region, not the military presence . And strengthen the borders of the Collective Security Treaty Organization by putting things in order with the protection of the state borders of Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan. (Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan are not considered in this context - for well-known reasons)
    1. Arkan
      Arkan April 1 2013 19: 58 New
      +1
      [quote = Scary warrant officer]
      That's right! The Americans have difficulty ensuring their safety outside the bases despite UAVs and helicopters; moreover, it is not yet known how Karzai’s army will behave after the departure of the USA ...

      1. Apollo
        Apollo April 1 2013 20: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: Arkan
        The Americans are struggling to ensure their safety outside the bases despite UAVs and helicopters; moreover, it is not yet known how Karzai’s army will behave after the US withdrawal ...


        I welcome you Sergey! hi

        Why it is not known, part of Karzai’s army will go over to the Taliban and the other part will scatter to where.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan April 1 2013 20: 41 New
          +1
          Good evening! hi
          Yes, there are no leaders with authority of Ahmad Shah Masoud in Afghanistan, which means you can’t wait for a new Northern Alliance to emerge. But tribes can unite around the Taliban - the future withdrawal of US troops is not a bad jackpot (they are unlikely to be able to leave without serious losses paid off). And put in this situation on Karzai, in my opinion at least prematurely ..
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk April 1 2013 20: 44 New
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        Dear, good evening! We need to really learn about American security issues, the USSR lost more than 15000 people in Afghanistan, and the Americans are many times less.
        1. Arkan
          Arkan April 1 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Krasnoyarets
          Dear, good evening! We need to really learn about American security issues, the USSR lost more than 15000 people in Afghanistan, and the Americans are many times less.

          Before the American troops entered Afghanistan, the Russian media flashed information that the Taliban had asked the Russian leadership to supply weapons - Russia refused them, but if these negotiations ended otherwise, the American losses would have been somewhat different. Yes and reliable information there’s simply no public access to NATO’s losses in Afghanistan (who in America considers the dead Hispanics serving for American citizenship to be “lost”? And the US ground forces are 30%).
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk April 1 2013 21: 10 New
            +2
            The States bought the Taliban as whores.
            1. Arkan
              Arkan April 1 2013 21: 18 New
              +1
              Quote: Krasnoyarets
              The States bought the Taliban as whores

              laughing laughing laughing Judging by the fact that videos constantly appear on the internet like those that you see above - the Taliban are still being traded.
          2. Hudo
            Hudo April 1 2013 21: 22 New
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            Quote: Arkan
            There is simply no reliable information about NATO losses in Afghanistan (who in America considers the dead Hispanics serving for American citizenship as “loss”? And the US ground forces are 30%).

            Another private military company, whose losses everyone just sneeze.
        2. Hudo
          Hudo April 1 2013 21: 19 New
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          Quote: Krasnoyarets
          Dear, good evening! We need to really learn about American security issues, the USSR lost more than 15000 people in Afghanistan, and the Americans are many times less.


          Your comparison, to put it mildly, is extremely incorrect! Bye USSR by oneself he pulled the strap of the Afghan war, the opposing side was generously sponsored by Amer, the Britons and the Saudis, trained the militants in the camps, and the caravans went on weapons in a continuous stream. You can continue for a long time.
          And now coalition 3,14ndosov and under 3,14dosnikov of all stripes, armed to the teeth, are at war with the Taliban armed than getting, the remnants of former power. And where is the result?
          A good man would send a dozen or two MANPADS to the Taliban, so they would look at the "great warriors". They would squeak like African toads under the wheels of an armored personnel carrier.
  37. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 1 2013 20: 08 New
    +1
    What a Afghanistan! Roads can’t do that ..
  38. vezunchik
    vezunchik April 1 2013 20: 11 New
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  39. redwar6
    redwar6 April 1 2013 20: 18 New
    +2
    Some do not learn anything and do not want to learn ..
  40. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk April 1 2013 20: 36 New
    0
    To hell with Afghanistan! Once was enough, 15 thousand zinc coffins came to mothers!
  41. zinander
    zinander April 1 2013 20: 55 New
    0
    It would be a big mistake to re-enter the troops there. I hope I have enough intelligence not to do this.
  42. Azaat
    Azaat April 1 2013 21: 53 New
    +2
    Enough and the last Chechnya. DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ZINC FOR BIRTHDAY.
  43. воронов
    воронов April 1 2013 22: 34 New
    +1
    First we’ll repair the equipment there, then we’ll get involved in the battles and begin to take out the 2 x hundredth tulips. In 1979. when they first entered there, they thought that we would help “peaceful farmers” to establish a peaceful life
  44. Massik
    Massik April 2 2013 01: 50 New
    +2
    Yes, what ***** Afghanistan, we in Chechnya still can’t pacify our bearded, we’ve gathered in Afghanistan. There is nothing to do there with our command, again we will be the brain ****, peacekeepers supposedly.
  45. studentmati
    studentmati April 2 2013 01: 55 New
    0
    I fully support your position ....
  46. savastyanov
    savastyanov April 2 2013 20: 08 New
    +2
    Russia there is no need to return to Afghanistan !!
  47. washi
    washi April 2 2013 22: 53 New
    +1
    communication remained. we will agree.
  48. O_RUS
    O_RUS April 2 2013 23: 15 New
    +1
    Quote: erased

    If the contingent in Afghanistan will have sons of generals, deputies, oligarchs, bureaucrats of various ranks and only they will be sent there at all - okay


    In Russia from ancient times it was accepted: if trouble happened, the protection of the Fatherland became old and young of any class. During the Great Patriotic War, the sons of members of the Politburo of the CPSU (b) Mikoyan, Khrushchev, other leaders of the party and government went to the front, some of them died. Two sons of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief Stalin fought, one of whom, Jacob, died. Killed the son of the former Commissar of Defense Timur Frunze. I don’t even speak about the general’s sons, this implied by themselves that they became officers and fought at the forefront. This tradition passed from the Russian army to the Soviet. And it is still preserved. For example, when the famous Marine Hero of Russia, Major General Alexander Otrakovsky, died at a military post in Chechnya, the number of marines there did not decrease, because his son, Lieutenant Ivan Otrakovsky, became a combatant. He literally broke into Chechnya to fight alongside his father. Does this not recall the story of the times of the Patriotic War of 1812, when their sons fought alongside military leaders, for example, with General Raevsky on the Borodino Field?

    Sons of Russian generals who died in the Chechen war

    In total, during the first Chechen campaign, 55 sons of senior officers were killed, seven of them - generals' children. Then the sons were lost by Colonel General Georgy Shpak, Lieutenant General Gennady Anoshin, Vyacheslav Suslov, Konstantin Pulikovsky, Yuri Schepin, Major General Gennady Naletov, Anatoly Filipenok. The eighth, the son of Lieutenant General Viktor Solomatin, died at the beginning of the second Chechen campaign in 1999. The sons of Colonel General Viktor Kazantsev, Lieutenant General Alexander Tartyshev, Major General Vadim Alexandrov and others were seriously wounded.
  49. konstanta
    konstanta April 22 2013 13: 08 New
    +1
    The experience of China in the fight against drug addiction. reference
    http://ria.ru/beznarko_help/20110816/418697994.html

    Arable land in Afghanistan is allocated mainly for crops - wheat, corn, rice and barley. Other cultivated crops include sugar beets, cotton, oilseeds and sugarcane. All kinds of fruit crops are grown in the gardens - apricots, peaches, pears, plums, cherries, pomegranates and citrus fruits. Several grape and melon varieties, almonds and walnuts are also cultivated. Traditionally, exported were fresh and dry fruits, raisins and nuts.
    So it is necessary to stimulate the cultivation of these crops !!!