Yermak said after talks in Jeddah that the US "will immediately lift the pause in providing Ukraine with weapons and intelligence"

From Jeddah, where negotiations between the American and Ukrainian delegations took place today, reports are coming about their results. At the same time, the most active in the media in terms of the results of the negotiations is the head of Zelensky's office, Yermak, who, unlike his "boss", switched to a dress code with a suit and tie.

According to Yermak, agreements were reached that the presidents of the United States and Ukraine "will soon conclude a comprehensive agreement on the development of critical mineral resources in Ukraine." Yermak did not explain where the signing of such an agreement would take place.

Let us recall that this will be the second attempt to sign the deal. The first failed the day before last, when Zelensky got into a spat with Trump and Vance in the Oval Office of the White House.

Now, as the American media wrote earlier, the terms of the deal for Kyiv turned out to be more stringent. The Kiev regime itself has not yet confirmed this.

The same Yermak stated that “the United States will immediately lift the pause in providing Ukraine with weapons and intelligence."

At the same time, Yermak does not explain why Ukraine needs new shipments of weapons and intelligence from the US, if (and this has already been reported in the joint press release following the meeting) “the Ukrainian side accepted Washington’s proposal for a 30-day complete ceasefire.” Previously, Kyiv was not going to agree to a ceasefire “on land.”

The American side has not commented on Yermak's statement about his alleged readiness to resume providing military aid to Kyiv at this moment. At the same time, Secretary of State Rubio stated:

The ball about the truce is now in Russia's court. We hope that it will agree to this option.

Comments

[kventinasd]

"The United States is immediately lifting the pause on providing weapons and intelligence to Ukraine."

Finita la commedia. That's all you need to know about the Americans.
Rubio said the best sign of Russia's "goodwill" would be to agree to begin negotiations to end the conflict.
Poorly studied the material. Goodwill gestures after Zmeiny Island and the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv are now only like this.
How badly did you have to prepare?

[Machito]

Yermak is a handsome guy: immediately after the negotiations he gave Trump away.

[Orange Bigg]

Ukraine has expressed its readiness to accept the US proposal to immediately introduce a temporary, 30-day ceasefire, which can be extended by mutual agreement of the parties, with the acceptance and simultaneous implementation by the Russian Federation, said the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Yermak.

The US wants a ceasefire, Ukraine is ready for it, the US is waiting for Russia's response, - the head of the State Department.

Ukraine has taken a positive step, we hope that the Russians will reciprocate, added US Secretary of State Rubio.


... Today in the conversation there was a proposal from the American side to take the first step immediately further and try to establish a complete ceasefire for 30 days, not only of missiles, drones and bombs, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line.

Ukraine accepted this proposal, we consider it positive, we are ready to take such a step. The United States must convince Russia to do this. That is, we agree, and if the Russians agree, then silence will work," Zelensky said.

[Lev_Russia]

The same Yermak stated that “the United States will immediately lift the pause in providing weapons and intelligence to Ukraine.”

That's all you need to know about making any deals with the States and with Trump... Only the complete capitulation of the forelocks is a sufficient and necessary condition for peace in Ukraine... Everything else is Western whim aimed at saving Nazi Ukraine...

[Egeny]

...all that remains is to "see" the Guarantor's answer, and not hear the chatter of the "talking head"... the ball is in our court.

[Machito]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Ukraine has expressed its readiness to accept the US proposal to immediately introduce a temporary, 30-day ceasefire, which can be extended by mutual agreement of the parties, with the acceptance and simultaneous implementation by the Russian Federation, said the head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Yermak.

The US wants a ceasefire, Ukraine is ready for it, the US is waiting for Russia's response, - the head of the State Department.

Ukraine has taken a positive step, we hope that the Russians will reciprocate, added US Secretary of State Rubio.


... Today in the conversation there was a proposal from the American side to take the first step immediately further and try to establish a complete ceasefire for 30 days, not only of missiles, drones and bombs, not only in the Black Sea, but also along the entire front line.

Ukraine accepted this proposal, we consider it positive, we are ready to take such a step. The United States must convince Russia to do this. That is, we agree, and if the Russians agree, then silence will work," Zelensky said.

This proposal means nothing.
Another Minsk-Istanbul.
What other 30-day ceasefire? Ukraine suffered a defeat at Kursk and in Donbas. Yermak immediately after the negotiations said that the US was resuming arms supplies. So we will give Ukraine 30 days to rearm and create new defensive lines? And who will sign this agreement on behalf of Ukraine, the expired president or the expired Rada? Zelensky does not even have the right to cancel his own law banning negotiations with the Russian Federation.
This is not just a bad deal. This is a lousy deal. Zelensky does not just have bad cards. He is left without the Kursk trump card. I am deliberately writing this in Trump's language. So that even Americans can understand it.

[topol717]

I hope VVP won't take his words back. He said that there will be no truce for negotiations. If there are negotiations, then only without stopping the fighting.

[bandabas]

He is the master of his word. Yes, yes. It has already been proven with pensions. Only here the population simply will not understand. The question is how this whole global hamadryas will get out of it.

[Grits]

Quote: bandabas

He is the master of his word. Yes, yes. It has already been proven with pensions. Only here the population simply will not understand. The question is how this whole global hamadryas will get out of it.

We are preparing for the fact that now all the media will praise this great decision of the Guarantor about the truce, tomorrow Solovyov will change his shoes in the air and together with Simonyan will broadcast about how the great grandmaster has outplayed everyone again, that we are tired of this war and we almost won it, having achieved everything we wanted.

[FoBoss_VM]

He also said that Odessa and Kharkov are RUSSIAN cities, and that they cannot be left under the control of the Ukrainian Nazis. But here's the problem, we all know how he keeps his words.

[Last centurion]

He will, and how he will. And he will stop. But there is one such snag. People will not fight for the thrice "cheated". It will be impossible to turn back the "mincemeat" of stopping the First Oligarchic.
P.S.: and even under the guise of resuming the supply of weapons to the enemy.

[paul3390]

What is most striking here is Trump's extreme impudence.. And he is seriously offering all this to Russia??? Sheer nonsense, at least for the sake of decency, not covered up by anything? After all, they are not even giving us anything - they are not even promising us anything! Like they are giving an ultimatum. Does he even understand who he is talking to?

[Machito]

Quote: paul3390

What is most striking here is Trump's extreme impudence.. And he is seriously offering all this to Russia??? Sheer nonsense, at least for the sake of decency, not covered up by anything? After all, they are not even giving us anything - they are not even promising us anything! Like they are giving an ultimatum. Does he even understand who he is talking to?

How come they don't promise this?
Yermak also said that arms supplies and target designation had been restored to Ukraine.

[isv000]

Quote: Bearded

Yermak also said that arms supplies and target designation had been restored to Ukraine.

So today the Trump Administration directly announced the start of military action against Russia?!

[Machito]

Quote: isv000

Quote: Bearded

Yermak also said that arms supplies and target designation had been restored to Ukraine.

So today the Trump Administration directly announced the start of military action against Russia?!

You could say that.
Before this, representatives of Trump's team directly stated that they were waging a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine.

[Lako]

These 30 days, as I understand it, are needed so that American weapons have time to reach Ukraine and for the redeployment of troops.

[goscha]

These 30 days, as I understand it, are needed so that American weapons have time to reach Ukraine and for the redeployment of troops.

Someone here on VO wrote that they have enough weapons for a year...

[Myths]

They have played another circus, resources that were already sold to the owner, now off. resold to the owner and now for this Russia must go to pseudo peace, with bloody creatures. Who will also arrange terror and terrorist attacks. Moreover, arms supplies are resumed, as well as intelligence data (target designation). To believe liars, well, so-so. If they are going to sign peace on these terms, who will respect the weak...

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote from Mitos

If peace is to be signed on these terms, who will respect the weak...

Don't worry so much. Tomorrow they'll start explaining to you on TV that the Kremlin is exceptionally strong, and it was they who achieved the ceasefire.
well, and almost on my own terms... well, actually, that's almost how it was planned...
and overall this can already be considered a victory..!!!

[FoBoss_VM]

And who is he talking to? He is talking to his own, bourgeois. Putin said so himself, who he sees himself as for his respected Western partners. So I am not surprised at all, I will not be surprised when he agrees to only four new regions. And he will give the rest of the Russian land for next to nothing to the Anglo-Saxons, essentially for plunder. I have long been disappointed in him. I really hope that the next president will be a true patriot of the Russian land and the Russian people, and not a Western sycophant.

[Grits]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

I have long been disappointed in him. I really hope that the next president will be a true patriot of the Russian land and the Russian people, and not a Western sycophant.

Yeah, well... the Guarantor has lost his authority among the people with his red lines, humanism, desire to deceive himself, concern not for the people but for his buddies who are losing money, his entourage mired in embezzlement. I am also disappointed. Akela has started to miss very often.

[Practitioner23354df]

Quote: Gritsa

I was also disappointed. Akela began to miss very often.

And when did he (Akela) ever get anywhere?

[goscha]

I have long been disappointed in him. I really hope that the next president will be a true patriot of the Russian land and the Russian people, and not a Western sycophant.

Since 2014, when he surrendered Novorossiya. I remember that rally in Crimea and his words that God forbid even a drop of Russian blood should be spilled. How much blood has been spilled - a sea. Only the lazy do not say about Minsk and Istanbul, what it cost us... Considering that the guarantor is constantly being led by the nose, I am no longer surprised by anything and do not expect anything good in the foreseeable future. If he continues in the same spirit, then there may not be a next president at all. Curtain...

[FoBoss_VM]

I agree... He betrayed the Russian world in 2014. A lot could have been avoided, how many lives could have been saved if he hadn't chickened out. But history has no subjunctive mood. And I thought that in 2022 he would at least keep his promise in the message about the beginning of the SVO. But no, the same desire not to harm dear Western partners in the hope of becoming their own, bourgeois, even now... there is no faith in him.

[smart ass]

Trump is a businessman, there is such a thing as pushing through a deal. Here we just need to put forward our demands and wait for them to be fulfilled, talking is useless.

[Grits]

Quote: paul3390

Does he even understand who he's talking to?

He understands. Because he knows perfectly well that our leadership will agree. The buddies have already become poor, it's time to start pumping oil and gas again.

[topol717]

Quote: paul3390

This is some kind of extreme impudence on the part of Trump.. And he's seriously proposing all this to Russia???

Let me remind you that first the US spoke with Lavrov.

[Hitriy Zhuk]

What's wrong?
Before this, they happily ran to be deceived at the first call.
Naturally, they got used to it. Now it is taken for granted.

[isv000]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Ukraine has accepted this proposal, we consider it positive, we are ready to take such a step. The United States must convince Russia to do this.

Look! You there, beyond the puddle, have you gone crazy calling us?! You decided everything for Russia without her... And this is at a time when Kursk region is being freed from your shell, Sumy is about to return to Russia. Well, you are stupid...

[gsev]

Quote: kventinasd

Finita la comedy.

So far, the Ukrainians have voiced their wishes. Trump has nothing to lose by waiting for Putin's reaction. At one time, Pashinyan agreed to give more than Aliyev expected to take.

[poquello]

Quote: kventinasd

Rubio said the best sign of Russia's "goodwill" would be to agree to begin negotiations to end the conflict.
I haven't studied the material well.

these are his problems, negotiations to end the conflict are one thing, a truce is something completely different, the fact that Rubio managed to convey to these inadequate people that they are playing every new day, in general, the Americans taught the Ukrainian natives to understand the American language, actually credit to themselves

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: kventinasd

The best manifestation of Russia's "goodwill" would be an agreement to begin negotiations to end the conflict.

Well, we are always FOR! Two hours ago, the TU-160 sent a group of negotiators to the Outskirts! The Khkhly have already met them in the Dnepropetrovsk, Kirovograd, Cherkasy and Poltava regions!

[Lionnvrsk]

The next wave of Geraniums will soon arrive for negotiations!

[ruha ruhov]

In short, I understood it this way: they give weapons and data in exchange for resources?! It doesn't matter whether Russia agrees or not, it is a priori known that it does not agree. Some kind of nonsense veiled as a truce. Trump simply blackmailed them into getting rare earth deposits or some warehouses. And why the hell involve Russia in this? Like he is now the boss in Ukraine and like don't interfere anymore?

[Grits]

Vast territories with all the resources on them, which were once part of the Russian world, were part of the Russian Empire and the USSR, which is abundantly watered with the blood of Russian people, who have defended it since time immemorial and on which Russian people continue to live, have been given to our main enemy. And this enemy is not the Ukrainians, but the Anglo-Saxons. Everything that our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers built and developed, our main enemy received for undivided use and is now the master there. Moreover, this enemy did not shed a drop of blood and did not even fight for this land and these resources. He received them practically for nothing - for invisible green papers and with the connivance and weak-willed consent of our leadership.

[Thrifty]

It’s scary to even think about the future of Russia if Putin makes these decisions and a new shameful deal occurs!

[Sauron80]

Well, the game of bad cop (EU) and good cop (Trump) is over - neither of them is going to stop the war.

[Lionnvrsk]

Quote: Sauron80

None of them are going to stop the war.

Nothing personal - business is business!

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Putin will agree only if the Armed Forces leave Kursk Oblast and the new regions. And if we agree on the front line, we will cross out the results of the referendum on the annexation of the new regions, because the people voted to join Russia in full borders.

[Ludoman]

Putin will agree only if the Armed Forces leave the Kursk region and the new regions.

I am almost certain that Putin will agree to limit himself to the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Kursk.

[gsev]

Quote: Ludoman

I am almost certain that Putin will agree to limit himself to the withdrawal of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Kursk.

Following the example of the Korean and Vietnamese wars, the time between the start of negotiations and the end of hostilities is months and years. In both cases, the parties ceased hostilities on the contact line. If Putin forces Russian business to cooperate with China instead of Europe, then Europe will stagnate and will not have time to pump the Ukrainian Armed Forces with weapons. Ukraine existed comfortably from 1991 to 2014 thanks to receiving an average of $8 billion annually from Russia in the form of discounts on goods and non-refundable investments. Without the continuation of these infusions, Ukrainian statehood will begin to wither like the government of South Vietnam.

[alexoff]

If Putin forces Russian business to interact with China instead of Europe

It would be nice if China started doing business with Russia on an allied basis, and not as the enemy's main supplier of drones, constantly putting up economic obstacles to our business

[isv000]

Quote from alexoff

It would be nice if China started to conduct business with Russia on an allied basis,

It would be nice if Russia opened the floodgates to the DPRK in full, recognizing our grandson Sen as a full-fledged heir with all the consequences and inflows. Kim is a smart boy, we'll get along. Even red-haired Donnie switches to Asia, and we're still looking at the flabby breasts of old Europe...

[Last centurion]

You don't understand anything - this is now called "pragmatic approach" and "non-alignment". That is, you can sell anything to anyone and boast about multiculturalism and the fact that you profess peaceful initiatives. Selling matches and gasoline to some, and fire extinguishers to others.

[alexoff]

The paradox is that at the same time, the one to whom the pragmatists sell gasoline, on every corner tells how to rob this pragmatist with minimal losses and covers his house with the same canisters. And they openly screw up all the silk roads

[ruha ruhov]

The rent for the base in Sevastopol cost 18 billion a year... Or 11? I don't remember anymore.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: gsev

If Putin forces Russian business to interact with China instead of Europe, then Europe will enter stagnation and will not have time to pump up the Ukrainian Armed Forces with weapons.

Are you serious? Half a billion Europe, with a GDP comparable to the US, depends on business with the Russian Federation so much that if those few who still work with Europe after the sanctions leave, Europe will stagnate? Do you think that if China had an alternative to the little that they still trade, they wouldn't have already swapped Europe for China?

Quote: gsev

Ukraine existed comfortably from 1991 to 2014 thanks to receiving an average of $8 billion annually from Russia in the form of discounts on goods and non-refundable investments. Without the continuation of these infusions, Ukrainian statehood will begin to wither like the government of South Vietnam.

From 2014 to 2022, Ukraine actually did not languish, but on the contrary, in my opinion, already in 2019 the minimum wage exceeded the Russian one. Europe and the United States, since the beginning of the Second World War, in addition to the amounts in weapons, have given several times more than 8 billion and intend to continue to give, and even if Trump refuses, Europe will continue to give more than 8 billion. Dividends from frozen Russian assets alone are more than 8 billion per year, and they will at least be sent.

[alexoff]

Quote: karabas-barabas

From 2014 to 2022, Ukraine actually didn’t languish, but on the contrary, in my opinion, already in 2019 the minimum wage exceeded the Russian one.

Are you serious? And how many people came to prosperous Ukraine from Russia to live and work? Maybe you can also tell how many people officially worked in Ukraine in 2019 and how many of them were for the minimum wage?

[karabas-barabas]

Quote from alexoff

Are you serious?

Seriously. You can look at the publications, statistics, etc. on this topic yourself.

Quote from alexoff

And how many people came from Russia to prosperous Ukraine to live and work?

I don't know. I think it hasn't been that easy since 2014. And what does prosperous have to do with it? It was said that since 2014 Ukraine has been languishing without the Russian 8 billion, which is not true, to put it mildly.

[alexoff]

Quote: karabas-barabas

You can look at publications, statistics, etc. on this topic yourself.

what statistics exactly? The declared minimum wage? Let's go broader

Quote: karabas-barabas

I guess since 2014 it hasn't been that easy.

but in the opposite direction it was easy, you go to a notary or to the passport office, and suddenly every second questioner is a citizen of Ukraine, but on the street you can’t tell the difference from a local

Quote: karabas-barabas

It was said that since 2014 Ukraine has been languishing without the Russian 8 billion, which is, to put it mildly, not true.

to put it mildly, in terms of GDP, only in 2021 did they return more or less to the level of 2013, and 2013 without Crimea and the LPR and DPR. And by the way, instead of Russian money, Chinese money came. And I also think that because of the good life, Zelya concluded such a trade agreement with the Turks in 2021 that the duties on Ukrainian goods for Turkey turned out to be several times higher than vice versa.

[gsev]

Quote: karabas-barabas

From 2014 to 2022, Ukraine actually didn't languish that much

This was done not with internal Ukrainian resources but with help from the USA and Europe. As a result, the German economy has been in stagnation for 3 years.

Quote: karabas-barabas

Only dividends from frozen Russian assets

Frozen Russian assets are the same tribute of Russia to Europe. Each frequency converter bought on Schneider and Siemens is approximately 60% just a tribute to Europe for the defeat in the Cold War. What is the problem of buying an analogue 3 or 4 times cheaper in China than in Europe? Only the desire of effective managers to have Europe as a savior from the rebellion of their people.

[karabas-barabas]

Quote: gsev

This was done not with internal Ukrainian resources but with help from the USA and Europe. As a result, the German economy has been in stagnation for 3 years.

And what kind of assistance was there from the EU and the US to Ukraine in 2014-2022? $100-300 million, which is not much. What does Germany have to do with it, which, in your opinion, has been in stagnation for 3 years, and as a result, is also not entirely clear. If you do not count Covid, where all economies have slumped, in Germany only -2023% in 0,3. Ukraine has nothing to do with it at all, Germany has structural problems that the Merkel government did not solve.

Quote: gsev

Every frequency converter bought from Schneider and Siemens is approximately 60% simply a tribute to Europe for its defeat in the Cold War.

Siemens was in Russia for 2022 years until 150.

Quote: gsev

What is the problem with buying an analogue 3 or 4 times cheaper in China than in Europe?

Maybe because firstly there is no analogue in China, and secondly there can't be an analogue 3-4 times cheaper. And thirdly, as soon as China substituted imports for Europe, they immediately raised prices to European ones, but only the prices, the quality remained as Chinese.

[gsev]

Quote: karabas-barabas

Firstly, there is no analogue in China, and secondly, there cannot be an analogue that is 3-4 times cheaper.

In 2012, I bought a 1,5 kW frequency converter for 15 rubles from Taiwan. In 000, for 2025 rubles from China. with a capacity of 9000 kW. Almost a complete analogy. Chinese frequency converters are much more convenient to configure than Schneider. That's all their difference from enemy analogs. The picture is similar for PLC modules and panels. I was glad to buy a 2,2" panel at an exhibition from the Chinese for 7 years ago. Now I was offered a deferred payment for about the same money with all the certificates and documents and 9000% VAT is included in the price. Buying Western industrial electronics is a path to economic collapse.

[Gekki66]

Something smells like burnt stubble, it's just wafting through the air. Look, isn't it you?

[Machito]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Putin will agree only if the Armed Forces leave Kursk Oblast and the new regions. And if we agree on the front line, we will cross out the results of the referendum on the annexation of the new regions, because the people voted to join Russia in full borders.

It looks like by the start of the negotiations the Ukrainian Armed Forces will no longer be in the Kursk region, and the Russian Armed Forces will be near Sumy.
Negotiations are a long process, and the Dnepropetrovsk region is only 6 km away.
Look, by the beginning of the negotiations, the Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk People's Republics are formed.
We'll have to renegotiate again.

[Sergey3]

Negotiations are a long process, and the Dnepropetrovsk region is only 6 km away.
Look, by the beginning of the negotiations, the Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk People's Republics will be formed. wink
We'll have to renegotiate again. laughing

You are too optimistic. Almost all the main deposits of rare earth elements, which they have shown such a big deal about, are located in eastern Ukraine, so while negotiations are going on, half of Europe will be driven to guard them and all European scrap metal will be urgently transported there.

[Machito]

Quote: Sergey3

Negotiations are a long process, and the Dnepropetrovsk region is only 6 km away.
Look, by the beginning of the negotiations, the Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk People's Republics will be formed. wink
We'll have to renegotiate again. laughing

You are too optimistic. Almost all the main deposits of rare earth elements, which they have shown such a big deal about, are located in eastern Ukraine, so while negotiations are going on, half of Europe will be driven to guard them and all European scrap metal will be urgently transported there.

Who needs these rare earths?
This is all just bullshit for the public.
Trump dictated the conditions to Zelensky to give up half of Ukraine. That's why Zelensky panicked. It sounds like half of Ukraine, but in reality it's all of it. That's why the European curs started squealing that Trump wanted to take everything for himself and give them the poor Ukrainians with debts.

[Sergey3]

Rare-zones, this is just a pretext, in fact, eastern Ukraine is a real Klondike. From a geological point of view, this is the place where a small planet hit the earth, the core of which just broke and mixed with the surface of the earth in this place, so there are solid deposits of iron and other heavy metals, including uranium.

[topol717]

There are a great many such places on earth. But the deposits themselves are of little use to anyone. For example, in Russia, very often, no one even shows up for tenders to sell deposits. Despite the fact that the reserves are precisely known. And if the reserves are only preliminarily estimated, then everything is even worse. Half of Africa has not even been explored, and labor in Africa is much cheaper. Business is only interested in finished projects, or at an advanced stage of readiness. Building from scratch is a very big risk. And to build from scratch in a foreign country, you have to be completely brainless.

[Sergey3]

Africa is Africa, there are no roads, no excess electricity and a bunch of cities with factories and literate population, and Ukraine is Europe with a dense network of roads, a dense network of energy supply, a bunch of sea ports, and the fact that Russia is nearby, on both sides there are the same capitalists, they don’t care about their homeland, spirituality and other higher matters, as long as money is constantly dripping into their pockets.

[topol717]

What roads? What electricity? The mining and processing plant doesn't really need all of this. And you don't need many specialists, and general laborers can be found everywhere.

[topol717]

In fact, Trump doesn't need the whole of Ukraine. He only needs cash flow. That is, the royalties for the extraction of minerals, which are usually paid to the State, will be divided in half, half to the States, and the other half can be kept for themselves.

[Machito]

Quote from: topol717

In fact, Trump doesn't need the whole of Ukraine. He only needs cash flow. That is, the royalties for the extraction of minerals, which are usually paid to the State, will be divided in half, half to the States, and the other half can be kept for themselves.

That's right: the US has profits and management, Ukraine has expenses and debts.

[alexoff]

US profit and management, Ukraine expenses and debts.

Trump was apparently told what it means to be a Ukrainian oligarch and he was like - so what, I want that too!

[skeptic]

[quote=Borodach][quote=Reserve Air Force Lt.
Look, by the beginning of the negotiations, the Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk People's Republics are formed.
We'll have to renegotiate again. [/ Quote]
It won't be necessary. Too many funeral notices and desire for revenge. It is no coincidence that they were driven out of the eastern regions first and foremost.
And the clear example of elections and then abandonment to the Ukrainian monsters does not add optimism.
Not so simple.

[Grits]

Quote: Bearded

Look, by the beginning of the negotiations, the Sumy, Kharkov, and Dnepropetrovsk People's Republics are formed.

Do not entertain yourself with illusions.

[deathtiny]

1. Well, the constitution was changed - if necessary, they can easily change it again.
2. And it would have been possible to hold a referendum on the entry of ALL of Ukraine into Russia. So what?
we understand that voting for the entry of Zaporozhye WITHOUT the residents of Zaporozhye themselves is a complete profanation of the very idea of ​​a referendum.
but "they included it in the constitution"...
Zelensky could have organized in Sudzha in this way a "referendum on the entry of the Kursk region into Ukraine with its full borders"...

Putin is definitely not an idiot, he understands this perfectly well. And I hope he won't listen to "war bloggers" and other "Internet schizopatriots" )

[Ivan Kuzmich]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Putin will agree only if the Armed Forces leave Kursk Oblast and the new regions. And if we agree on the front line, we will cross out the results of the referendum on the annexation of the new regions, because the people voted to join Russia in full borders.

Hello, everything is heading towards the Kremlin being given 4 new regions, that's the maximum, otherwise they might stop at the demarcation line

[karabas-barabas]

The Ukrainians will not give up any regions, what kind of nonsense is this? The Russian Federation cannot seize them by military means and then they will simply be given up? Zelensky will never agree to this, because he will be castrated upon arrival home. And there is no talk of this. We are talking about the front line and what territories remain under the Russian Federation. In addition, we must understand that these territories will not receive any international recognition for the Russian Federation, even from Belarus. Another point of disagreement was NATO membership, or guarantees from the United States, the deployment of peacekeepers and other points.

[Neo-9947]

How the hell are you supposed to understand them??
The fighting therefore ceases, but the transmission of intelligence is immediately unfrozen and supply of weapons

No, guys, this won't work.
Where are our goodies? What did we fight for? To turn Ukraine into a NATO outpost?
No, that won't do.

[Ludoman]

How the hell are you supposed to understand them??
The fighting therefore ceases, but the transfer of intelligence and the supply of weapons are immediately unfrozen.
belay
No, guys, this won't work.

We got what we paid for.

Where are our goodies? What did we fight for? To turn Ukraine into a NATO outpost?
No, that won't do.

We did get some perks, a tactical victory with a strategic defeat. If Putin hadn't been happy with that, he would have carried out mobilization and put the country on a war footing.

[Plate]

Quote: Ludoman

If Putin were not satisfied with this, he would have carried out mobilization and put the country on a war footing.

If we had carried out mobilization and a complete switch to war footing, we would have had so many protests that it would be simply terrifying.
And this is right, yes. The normal population must fight for its standard of living and not allow it to be reduced by some decisions of the authorities.
Over a million people, including valuable specialists, left the country after the last mobilization. What, a new launch? The economy already has problems, which are being complained about, including on this forum. Switching the civilian population to a war footing ALWAYS worsens the situation. Are you ready for what you stand for?

[Ludoman]

If we had carried out mobilization and a complete switch to war footing, we would have had so many protests that it would be simply terrifying.

Do you know what happens to those who organize protest movements during war? What happened to those who shouted NO WAR in 2022? And this is not wartime yet.

And this is right, yes. The normal population must fight for its standard of living and not allow it to be reduced by some decisions of the authorities.

During peaceful times, undoubtedly.

Over a million people, including valuable specialists, left the country after the last mobilization. What, a new launch?

Well, the borders need to be closed during the war, and I suspect that the bulk of the runners have already fled, suspecting that many of them were already half-bent, and mobilization was simply the last straw.

The economy already has problems, which are the subject of much swearing, including on this forum. Switching to a war footing for the civilian population ALWAYS worsens the situation.

Well, during wars only the army eats well, and the rest do not, but this will not continue forever, the war will end.

Are you ready for what you stand for?

I'm in the trenches, I'm already being hit with drones, mortars, tanks. So yes, I'm ready, whether on the battlefield or in a military factory. But I don't agree to do this while most of the country is living a high life and not helping us.

[Plate]

Quote: Ludoman

Do you know what happens to those who organize protest movements during war? What happened to those who shouted NO WAR in 2022? And this is not wartime yet.

Nothing, I think. I don't remember any high-profile arrests or punitive actions.

Quote: Ludoman

Well, the borders need to be closed during the war, and I suspect that the bulk of the runners have already fled, suspecting that many of them were already half-bent, and mobilization was simply the last straw.

Many valuable specialists, who clearly had not been standing on half-bent legs in life, fled. We are talking, first of all, about IT specialists who worked remotely for Western customers.

Quote: Ludoman

Well, during wars only the army eats well, and the rest do not, but this will not continue forever, the war will end.

Yeah. So, everyone had to eat poorly for the last 3 years. Of course, I understand that such an opinion will not be welcomed here, but I will speak frankly. All the arguments "for" the SVO would then outweigh the fact that I would be forced to lose a few kilograms of subcutaneous fat in my head. Let's say, the first year or year and a half can still be "understood and tolerated", and then there will be questions. "What the hell? Where is the effective policy of the leadership? Why did it introduce the WP, conduct mobilization and raise taxes to the sky, but in the end it can't win?" Now all this is relatively parallel and therefore calm. And then, mobilization in this context gives the relatives of the mobilized the full right to ask the state for everything: I suspect that's why they dragged it out as much as they could.

Quote: Ludoman

I'm in the trenches, and they're already hitting me with drones, mortars, and tanks.

Then I must express my sincere gratitude to you for your dedication and heroism, which, alas, I cannot boast of (although it was unpleasant to write the words above, but if you look inside yourself, then alas - it is true).

Quote: Ludoman

But I don’t agree to do this while the majority of the country is living a life of luxury and not helping us.

Understandable. But I'm still afraid that if we hold a referendum asking "Do you want a total war?" then... well, I won't take it upon myself to predict the results. Perhaps the majority will actually answer "yes."

[Ludoman]

Yeah. So, for the last 3 years, everyone should have been eating poorly.

If we had eaten poorly for the last 3 years (threw all available resources into waging war), then this war would have ended with our victory, I am sure. And we would have all gone home and built a peaceful life.

All the arguments "for" SVO would then outweigh in my head the fact that I would be forced to lose several kilograms of subcutaneous fat.

So it's normal, people are ready to do of their own free will only what brings them personal benefit, such is human nature. An ordinary average person (of which the overwhelming majority) will not go to war themselves, will not sacrifice their well-being. I look at things realistically, so I understand that only coercion will work here.

Let's say, the first year or year and a half can still be "understood and tolerated", and then there are questions. "What the hell? Where is the effective policy of the leadership? Why did it introduce the WP, conduct mobilization and raise taxes to the sky, but in the end it can't win?

The point is that it could have won then, but now the resources involved are not up to the task.

Then I must express my sincere gratitude to you for your dedication and heroism, which, alas, I cannot boast of.

I am mobilized, I would not go to any war without a summons, I am not an enemy to my health. I could have dodged it, but I did not do so, because I had no moral right to do so after I had been calling on everyone to mobilize for many months since the end of February 2022 (I already knew then that without it everything would go to hell), I acted as my conscience and my convictions told me, and not as my head and benefit told me.

Understandable. But I'm still afraid that if we hold a referendum asking "Do you want a total war?" then... well, I won't take it upon myself to predict the results. Perhaps the majority will actually answer "yes."

I think the answer will be NO, and if you also explain to them what it is and that this total war will be waged by their hands, then the answer will be overwhelming NO. I have no illusions here.

[poquello]

Quote: Ludoman

I don't agree to do this while most of the country is living a life of luxury and not helping us.

There are 58 thousand deputies and more than a million officials in the country, "eternal high"

[Bazyl LIVE]

Well, NATO has actually collapsed, so Ukraine will not be an outpost of NATO. But it will be an outpost of a new European army (EU countries + Britain + Switzerland + Norway + Ukraine and possibly + Turkey).

Welcome to the new reality, everyone. And the main nuance of this reality is that in the times of NATO, Russia and the USA could agree on something, and NATO countries accepted this agreement. Well, now we get a new reality, a third force appears with which we need to negotiate separately.

[ruha ruhov]

If you wrote it correctly, then it's complete crap. I understand if, for example, "we resume deliveries of weapons and data if Russia does not agree to a ceasefire." That's more logical.

[Gorynych1976]

...they got nothing, not a truce, we went through it, we know...

[Mint Gingerbread]

More nonsense. Russia has its own interests, which have been repeatedly outlined. They will be fulfilled, and then there will be further discussion. Let them prepare to hold elections, and then we will see.

[kvv]

Sobchak's student has another problem, now you can't turn on the waiting mode. But he lost when he agreed that the Yankees appointed themselves as arbitrators in these negotiations, and this is all the consequences of his short-sightedness

[Tatyana Pershina]

What makes you think that Russia recognizes someone as an arbitrator? If the US and Ukraine want to talk about our SVO, let them talk. This does not oblige us to anything. The dog barks, but the caravan moves on.

[kvv]

Russia acknowledged this as a fact when it met with them a month ago and did not object to them agreeing with the borderlands on proposals for a truce, although such a right should only be given to those who are not participating in the conflict, but the states are not only participants but rather the instigators of this war.

[Plate]

In principle. Even if someone is recognized as an arbitrator, what prevents them from stopping recognizing him?

[kvv]

Quote: Plate

In principle. Even if someone is recognized as an arbitrator, what prevents them from stopping recognizing him?

Of course you made me laugh, something prevents the geochess player from responding even to the intersection of his own red lines, and you want him to do the same in response to Trump's ultimatum

[Plate]

It's really unclear how to respond to red lines. And here it's enough to just... keep quiet. Do nothing. That's all.

[kvv]

Then we will in fact be opponents of peace talks, and Putin has been saying for the third year that he is for peace talks and he was saved only by the fact that the cocaine addict constantly denied them, but here for the first time he made the right move

[Plate]

Well, that's true. And Russia doesn't have a powerful propaganda machine like the West, to just shout down everyone else. All that's left is... to stage a provocation! "Oh no! The Ukrainians used (they don't intend to use, but HAVE USED) a dirty bomb!!!"

[Victor Leningradets]

The answer from the bloggers' beloved "World Community":
- It's the Russians who are shooting at themselves.
Just yesterday our proud Ministry of Foreign Affairs was groveling under the OSCE, and they were shown drone hits, but the results were zero!

[urik62]

As was required to be proven, they will now announce that Russia does not want peace.

[ev.spb]

This was to be expected. This whole "US peace initiative" was started only to "bend" Ukraine and force it to sign an agreement on the development of natural resources.

[vik669]

Stop worrying about today's troubles. There will be new ones tomorrow!

[kvv]

Quote: vik669

Stop worrying about today's troubles. There will be new ones tomorrow!

That's right - "smile, tomorrow will be worse"

[Nemchinov Vl]

Quote: ev.spb

to "bend" Ukraine and force it to sign an agreement on the development of natural resources.

and then bend Russia too...

[lutikovvn]

"Boss, everything is lost, everything is lost! The plaster is being removed, the client is leaving!" (c)

[Fisher]

Well, the States got their way, they'll get all the perks, and Russia is once again an "evil empire" that needs to be destroyed. Nothing has changed over the centuries, no matter how hard our people try to become one of their own, "bourgeois".

[Plate]

Yes, yes, Russia is an "evil empire"... Today it is more like a "back alley of evil", if it comes to that. Compared to the combined potential of the EU and the US, that's exactly what we look like. Compare the size of industrial output in Western countries and in the Russian Federation. And to make you cry even more - the number of published scientific articles and patents.
We have not surrendered to anyone.

[alexputnik17]

At the same time, the most active in the media in terms of the results of the negotiations is the head of Zelensky's office, Yermak, who, unlike his "boss", switched to a dress code with a suit and tie. will owe Kim Jong Il and Solovyov for plagiarism.

[samarin1969]

The States are skimming off the cream of skillful diplomacy. They are dictating the terms of a truce to the Kremlin and Kyiv. For Russia, this would be a strategic defeat. The West conducts all its wars in two stages: in Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, etc. We are waiting for fantasies from Mr. Lavrov about a "victory"...

[opuonmed]

The ball about the truce is now in Russia's court. We hope that it will agree to this option.

They deceived me a couple of times, so agree to do it again.

In a joint release following the meeting, “the Ukrainian side accepted Washington’s proposal for a 30-day complete ceasefire.”

Like rearm, like recruit people, give them what they don't have yet, and start again? The US military-industrial complex is sawing off money, just like the EU, and Ukraine benefits from an approach like the US's. Why doesn't anyone touch the US and the EU, but they test weapons and give them, and more.

[kvv]

There are countless rakes scattered around the Kremlin, so this won't be the last time they'll be deceived, but it's clear that some people really like this role.

[alexoff]

There aren't many rakes there, just ten dollar bills lying underneath them, people constantly come up to take them, and then bam - and your forehead hurts!

[navigator777]

It's very simple, Ukraine is losing the war and Trump doesn't want to invest money in it and wants to get his own back, but how can he get it back if there is a war going on and Ukraine is losing. The logic is clear, we need to stop the war by any means necessary to get the money back. And we need to get our rightful territories back first of all.

[75 Sergey]

We don’t care about the West’s problem; we have our own “vital interests.”

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

It's already happened..."Did your Poles help you???"
They won't help now either!

[Leshak]

The ball of the truce is now in Russia's half of the field.

Well, let's see what trick (with this ball) our political leadership will pull.
I still hope that this won't be an own goal.

[kventinasd]

Let them go to hell for now. Both the hohols and the pinheads. We will definitely have to come to an agreement, but only on our terms, finally and irrevocably, and not so that the Ukrainians lick their wounds, rearm, and as in the proverb "Bast and bast - start over"
Only the unconditional surrender of the Ukrainian junta should satisfy Russia, otherwise all the sacrifices of our guys on the front lines and the civilian population would have been in vain.

[lutikovvn]

"Don't panic, the show is not for the faint of heart." (c)

[K_4]

Well, the Americans have made their move, they have shown us the fig, practically declaring their support for Zelya, I think they will soon bring in a contingent, supposedly to protect their deposits. The move is up to our "grandmaster", although I don't expect anything other than more mumbling and a subsequent dive back into the bunker.

[Plate]

Excuse me, but what kind of bunker is this that someone is diving into?

[ruha ruhov]

It is in Ukraine that they think that the chess player lives in a bunker. In Russia they do not know this. It turns out that cipso was detected.)))

[alexputnik17]

Quote: alexputnik17

Kim Jong Il and Solovyov will be indebted for plagiarism

Umerov is to blame for Solovyov's clothes. But I don't quite understand how red and warm go together. What did they decide? Whose ball is it and on whose side? And in connection with what?

[BedMax]

The ball is crap, it depends on the game (((
Peaceful 2 is definitely not needed.

[BedMax]

They themselves said that they need 5 years to get the channel right.
A year on 404, and a couple to the English Channel)
The main thing is to catch the moment of emptiness...
Well, there is the West 2026, a repeat of 1983

[Garry]

I'm just sure that just as the data was transmitted without interruption, so were the weapons

[BedMax]

Today I was woken up by Moscow time (
But I looked at Pantsir's work!!!
Five firecrackers went off well, I heard the response too. Not in the milk!

[tralflot1832]

And this is Trump's cunning plan?

[Ivan Seversky]

I think a realistic scenario is a truce that will give way to peace, with both sides not recognizing territorial changes but committing not to resolve the issue militarily.
This is a bad scenario. But there is no good one. If Putin does not sign a ceasefire, the US can supply enough weapons, and Europe - conscripted Ukrainians, from those who are on benefits, to stop the advance of our troops. And every month costs a lot of blood and big losses to the economy.
If Putin signs what the Americans want, a person will come to power in Ukraine with whom it is possible to somehow deal, or if Zelensky disrupts the negotiations, then the US will again stop aiding Ukraine.

[paul3390]

If Putin does not sign a ceasefire, the US may supply enough weapons, and Europe - Ukrainians liable for military service

If Putin signs THIS, then exactly the same thing will happen, only in a couple of years and in much larger quantities.

[75 Sergey]

No way, this whole circus was set up to fool us again.
Now it seems like they have started to fall apart on the front lines; they need a truce like they need air.
Furthermore, the people in Russia do not want sanctions to be lifted, production has just begun to revive, and now again - "we will buy everything"?!

[alexoff]

Now it seems like they have started to fall apart on the front lines; they need a truce like they need air.

Well, first there was the Ilovaisk cauldron and the collapse of the front near Mariupol, and a couple of weeks later Minsk-1. Then the cauldron near Debaltsevo - and immediately Minsk-2. If our leadership had been sent in November 1941 or January 1943, they probably would have immediately run to Hitler to offer peace, like - we are successful, let's freeze the front! And the Reichskommissariat Ukraine itself will fall apart, and the Reich will rot

[Ivan Kuzmich]

If Putin signs what the Americans want, a person will come to power in Ukraine with whom it is possible to somehow deal, or if Zelensky disrupts the negotiations, then the US will again stop aiding Ukraine.[/quote]

Hello The new hetman who will be appointed in the West will be no different from Poroshenko and Zeliya
no need to reassure yourself
Preservation of Ukraine as a state. This is a new member of NATO
Ukraine will join NATO much faster than we think
The West will never forget that someone decided to oppose them.
The war has not yet begun

[Ivan Kuzmich]

I don't know about others, but I got the impression that military aid to Ukraine from the United States did not change for a single minute
11 days have passed since the performance was organized and held in Washington, where the main role of the hero was played by Trump, and the antihero was played by Zelensky
During this time, military cargo by sea probably did not have time to reach the shores of Europe
the most interesting and, as it seems to me, the most disgusting awaits us ahead

[ruha ruhov]

Indirect confirmation of your words is that in Europe they allegedly went against the USA! Where is it ever seen that the shakalts would snap back against the sharkhan? Unless it's according to a script.

[Pokrovskij1959]

Europe will not supply Ukrainians liable for military service. There are none in Europe.

[Victor Leningradets]

Europe will not supply Ukrainians liable for military service. There are none in Europe.

The SS and police (Germans and Poles) will catch you in no time, and even bring in migrants!

[Poplar]

The US can supply enough weapons

I doubt that the Yankees and, in particular, Trump, will pour more money into this bottomless pit. Trump can't even recoup what he's invested yet. The mattress makers won't give weapons and equipment to the xoxles. They can sell, and even then it's unlikely to be much due to fears of escalation. But on the outskirts "there is no gold reserve", all that's left is to rip off Europe for money. And, by the way, Europe is verbally ready to continue the war, but it's not clear whether they have enough money: different experts say different things.
And yes, Trump voiced this plan of his already during his election campaign: if the hohols resist, we will not give them weapons, and if Russia does not agree, we will fill the outskirts with weapons. They will not fill them with anything: if no Western military weapons have helped the hohols in 3 years, then nothing will help, and the mattress-makers will not send their soldiers to the outskirts.
In fact, it is not yet entirely clear to me what Trump wants. This whole thing about the rare earth deal is a load of rubbish for the average person. If there is anything interesting left on the outskirts, Zelensky has most likely sold it to the small fry. So far, only one thing is clear: Trump wants to get into the territory of the unnecessary. And then there are a lot of options: from settling the outskirts with the necessary contingent to business and military bases. And he has almost gotten there. Therefore, we cannot agree to his terms. If he needs the territory (and it seems to me that he really needs it), then he will make concessions, and we will be able (at least theoretically) to squeeze the maximum out of him.

[kventinasd]

[cmax]

We'll see tomorrow or in a few days. What was the movie called.... "A Boy's Word".

[urik62]

Yes, yes, a guy's word is given to a guy.

[Ghost1]

So Trump's team is working for the benefit of the USA, it's just that some people here apparently thought that the Americans would force the Kyiv regime to accept our conditions.

[75 Sergey]

Do they really think that Russia will step on the same rake again?! They found some suckers! Yeah, right-r-r-r-r.
Our people understand that by agreeing to this “truce,” the Ukrainian Armed Forces will use it to strengthen their defenses, regroup, and stock up on weapons?!
If we do this again, then “we were deceived again” won’t work!!!

[ex_paragon]

Somehow it's weak and predictable. Well... let them talk, have a drink of vodka with a sidewalk. What do we care about these idiots?

[BedMax]

Self-burial devices are not installed).
You have to spend your energy on burial

[alexputnik17]

Quote: Plate

We have not surrendered to anyone.

Oh really!? From where? I beg your pardon? Awareness.

[Zheka111]

Again these old wet dreams of Ukraine and the USA, but only under a “new sauce”.
No one will stop the fighting.
Either they agree to the conditions of the Russian Federation, which the president previously announced, or they continue until the goals are fully achieved.

[kventinasd]

Now Trump has already made his mark and the European Union is already yapping along in joy.

[Luenkov]

Russia agrees to a ceasefire if this fire is of disagreement and voluntarism. We are for peace without objections and pessimism, a step behind America - are they ready to share intelligence with Russia and China?

[cmax]

Tomorrow we will hear an answer from Peskov himself, so confusing that no one will understand anything, not even VVP. But seriously, this is an ultimatum, I think we will hear "Yes" rather than "No"!

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

I hope the Kremlin isn't planning on another humiliation. Life has taught me that, I think.

[Skobaristan]

Wow, what a buzz in the comments. It's interesting to watch, especially in terms of who writes what).

[Yapet100]

America will threaten to tighten sanctions and block oligarchs' accounts and Russia will agree to this truce. There will be new victims and the war will continue. Russia has been sold and betrayed so many times already.

[Turbuta Dave]

Liars and Trump the chatterbox

[Luenkov]

So why have weapons and intelligence if there is a ceasefire?

[Sobol]

Apparently, the American delegation really liked Yermak's point.

[Arifon]

There's no longer an asshole there, there's a hole, a hollow!
- What a hollow, what a hollow, what a hollow...
- Yes, it’s a hollow, but why repeat the same thing three times?!
- So it’s not me, it’s an echo!

[kventinasd]

Following these negotiations, Trump has effectively given Russia an ultimatum:

If we don't force Russia to cease fire, we will simply continue to fight and supply Ukraine.

[rocket757]

What will happen, what won't happen, is it worth guessing... soon everything will be clear, it will be clear.
And so, striped ones, Trump, this is not for peace, this is for profit.

[Igor1915]

I hope to disagree.

[tabletkin73]

This was done specifically so that when we answer for today's drone attack (and we will answer soon), they will all howl in one voice that Putin chose war instead of peace.

[Arifon]

And what are these two small skinny guys on the left in the photo? What kind of bugs are these?!)) Or have the pig-faces gotten so fat on free NATO food over the years?! They are really midgets and Gullivers!)))

[bob03]

Given Zelensky's resignation and the end of arms supplies, the proposal may be reasonable. In that case, they will simply deliver the weapons in a month and start again.

[Ovsigovets]

just a week ago weapons were being delivered and intelligence data was being provided...then the US stopped...now they will be giving it...crap, sometimes a betrayal, sometimes a victory...NOTHING is changing for Russia...NOTHING interesting was offered for Russia...that means the SVO is continuing...the mattresses with their "childish" scam can go to hell and come back when they have something really normal to offer

[Boniface]

Umerov is a green stinker in filthy pajamas!
Etiquette - no, for the Obmudochny understate this is wildness

[Oleg Telpes]

It's getting difficult
It is clear that they will be kicked out of the Kursk region, and then...
A truce won't happen quickly, there will be conditions, but what they will come to is a question

[foxes]

Now this will become the main examination test for the current elite of the Russian Federation...

[SUKRAM]

a cease fire, and what will happen
the ukelele nazis will stock up on arms
and when stocked, will carry on sending missiles and what ever else they got into the RU lands
not to be trusted

[OlegEKB]

it doesn't matter at all what the delegations of Ukraine and the USA talked about
and even more so because Yermak wrote about it
some kind of hysteria was stirred up in the comments

[Right hand of the eye]

Oh my!... it will be funny to watch how the Trump-Nashists will start changing their tune
The most religious of them will claim that nothing like that happened.., Trump simply couldn't do otherwise.., but as soon as he does, he will immediately implement his peacekeeping, Russophile plans...)))) And they will continue to believe, but more secretly.., catching every breath and pro-Russian nod of Trump)))
But, the majority of Trumpnashists will change their tune any minute now... and will even, with a straight face, claim that they never believed Trump)))

[Carlos Hall]

Dear friends from Russia, let me give you some advice from a foreigner from afar. I believe that Russia should sign a ceasefire agreement on the condition that Ukraine's non-accession to NATO and the impossibility of placing foreign bases on its territory will be agreed upon in writing. By concluding a treaty. Russia will control 20% of Ukrainian territory according to the current demarcation line. A significant part of Dombas and other important territories, securing Crimea by land and depriving Ukraine of most of its coastline. Russia has avoided a strategic defeat that could have destabilized the Federation and split it in the style of the former Soviet Union in the Gorbachev/Yeltsin era. And it has won an undeniable tactical victory. It has shown the whole world that it is capable of resisting in all areas, military, economic, diplomatic, etc., the force that is truly the hegemon today. I repeat, it not only saved face, but also won a tactical victory in the form of the entry of 112 km000 into the Federation. More importantly, it consolidated the trend towards the restoration of Russian power, of which this war was the decisive proof, not to mention other minor successes of the Kremlin. Whatever may be said, whatever mistakes and shortcomings were committed, Vladimir Putin's leadership of the Russian government will go down in history with two words: restoration and revival. The Russian army has once again fought under difficult conditions with unquestionable courage, honoring its best traditions, and the Russian people should honor it. My advice as a citizen of an empire destroyed by Anglo-Saxon power is to sign a ceasefire. For the reasons I have outlined above, to which must be added a major success that should not go unnoticed, namely, the withdrawal of France from neo-colonialist power on the African continent.

[km-21]

I believe that Russia should sign a ceasefire agreement on the condition that Ukraine's non-accession to NATO and the impossibility of placing foreign bases on its territory are stipulated in writing. By concluding a treaty.

What is the likelihood that NATO will comply with the treaty?

[Carlos Hall]

Sign in the Versailles style with two clear and basic points. A neutrality of Ukraine, which does not allow it to join NATO, and B the impossibility of stationing foreign troops on its territory.

[km-21]

What will this piece of paper do if NATO violates the treaty?

[Carlos Hall]

Is NATO in direct conflict with Russia between 2022 and 2025? Doesn't Russia have 12 nuclear warheads or more? They won't break it that easily for two reasons: first, because it would be a solemn treaty that Russia could cite in case of violation to intervene militarily again, and second, because the US doesn't want to be distracted from its main target - China.

[km-21]

I repeat a simple question for the third time.
What is the likelihood that NATO will comply with the treaty?

[Carlos Hall]

Answer: How many treaties did the former USSR make with the US at those famous summits, including the one that ended the missile crisis? .....were they honored or not? Disarmament treaties, missile withdrawal treaties in Cuba and Turkey, etc., etc. It seems obvious that the answer is yes, they will honor the treaty. That is, unless... another Gorbachev appears on the scene.....

[km-21]

Are you Estonian?.................................................

[Carlos Hall]

Why do I look like an Estonian? I am Spanish. And tell me out of curiosity...., how would you act. What solution do you propose as an alternative.

[km-21]

You look like an Estonian because you think you are smarter than others, although you think slowly and primitively. In response to your curiosity, I inform you that I do not see a single chance to come to an agreement with Trump in a good way. Trump also thinks he is too smart, although he also looks like an Estonian.

Russia must continue fighting until the West removes its weapons from Ukraine and the Baltics. And if Trump escalates, then a warning nuclear strike will have to be launched first against Poland.
And then we'll see how it goes.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

km-21

You look like an Estonian because you think you are smarter than others, although you think slowly and primitively.

Carlos probably translated into Russian out of respect for his friends. And km-21, insulting with condescension and know-it-all, himself convincingly and indisputably demonstrated his feeblemindedness, and considers himself "smarter than others", dragging in the Baltics, as if this changes anything strategically, with Finland in NATO!!

And the main thing that is disgusting is that he shamelessly revealed his meanness and rudeness as a thug towards a sincere friend of Russia!

[km-21]

This "sincere friend of Russia" of yours at the very beginning of the conversation suggested concluding another Minsk agreement with the West. That is, he with a straight face called on us all to step on the same rake again. Probably because in his head Russians are associated with inexhaustible idiocy. Personally, I found this somewhat offensive, which made me want to respond.

You are probably not so easily offended and are ready to forgive any insults to your foreign "friends". Or maybe you simply did not read the heresy that your "sincere friend of Russia" suggested at the very beginning of the conversation. Or maybe you did not have enough brains to translate from Russian Spanish to Russian Russian. Whatever the case, you should not have gotten into this conversation with your feminine sentiments. It would have been better to stand aside and fidget with your handkerchief.

[hermit]

Wars are not waged to show or prove something to someone, but to achieve very specific goals. The goals of the SVO are the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. These goals have not yet been achieved. Therefore, it is too early to talk about peace.

[Pokrovskij1959]

It must be stated that Russia has no trust in either Ukraine or the West. To restore trust and seriousness of intentions, there must first be gestures of goodwill from Ukraine, that is, the liberation of ALL Russian territories. And then we can talk about stopping the fire.

[sdivt]

Well, the moment of truth has arrived.
America got what it wanted
It remains to be seen whether the rest, all these flows of weapons to Ukraine, intelligence, financial aid - will they become even a little less, or will they return to their previous level?
So what does the Trump administration have in store for us?

[PavelKosse]

Something tells me that our leadership will fall for this "peace-truce". There was too much delight from all these negotiations. With the Democrats, at least, everything was clear. They imposed sanctions, supplied the Nazi regime with weapons and did not promise anything good. With Trump, it is a little more complicated) But our elites do not calculate that far ahead. If they promised to lift the sanctions, then they will "lift them"..)

[Festus]

Russia must remain silent while weapons are being transferred to Ukraine and the coordinates of targets are already being reported...

... Trump's appearance turned out to be a clever PR trap: if Putin signs, he's an idiot; if he doesn't, he's a bad guy.

I really hope Russia doesn't fall into the same trap of "goodwill gestures" again, but be prepared for Trump to have something up his sleeve, like lifting the ATACMS range restrictions...

Warm greetings from Germany. They still have friends here, especially among the older population of East Germany. But unfortunately there are not many of us left.

[Mikhail Drabkin]

Festus:
DDR waren die einzige, echte, feste Allierte und Freunde! Thank you Festus! Who knows about October 1989, the visit and whispers of Raisa and her husband with her..., the parade of the GDR Self-Defense Army - appreciates, remembers and RECALLS loyalty to the last to socialism and the USSR!

[nPuBaTuP]

Idiot and everything that was said is 404 idiocy....

[Uma palata]

Yeah, that's what all this means, what the Americans said through this (uncensored): like, you Russians, stop fighting for a month, and during that time we'll perfectly equip these hired boys of ours.

[Pokrovskij1959]

The supply of weapons and intelligence is incompatible with the ceasefire.

[km-21]

It was clear from the start that Trump's spat with Zelensky was a cheap show for idiots. Russia should quickly realize this and finally smarten up.

[tralflot1832]

This is Ukraine's business, it agreed to the ceasefire on the LBS proposed by the US. Tomorrow Western media: Russia demonstrated a complete lack of desire for peace talks tonight.

[alexputnik17]

Quote: Bearded

Yermak is a handsome guy: immediately after the negotiations he gave Trump away completely

This is quarter 95, new realities of diplomatic relations. Before certain agreements, no one could know such a word "insider". Ukraine appeared and the impossible became possible.

[Kelwin]

We hope that she will agree to this option.

And would you like an M32 bolt with a left-hand thread and fine knurling? No, the striped ones are simply amazing imbeciles...

[Oleg Telpes]

And in the Western press they write the condition - if Russia stops the fire
That is, we need to set a condition - if the Ukrainian army retreats 100 km

[Pokrovskij1959]

First, goodwill gestures from Ukraine and the US, which should show seriousness of intentions. Minsk, as Merkel and others said, was only to deceive Russia and arm Ukraine. The ceasefire pursues the same goals.
As gestures of goodwill on the part of Ukraine there should be the abolition of the law on negotiations with Russia, the liberation of Donbass in its entire depth, about Kursk of course, these territories will be liberated anyway. On the part of the USA there should be minimal concessions. The lifting of sanctions and the lifting of EU sanctions. Before and during the ceasefire all supplies of weapons and intelligence data will be stopped.

[kventinasd]

Since the Americans have resumed the supply of weapons and intelligence, it means they are preparing Ukraine for a new round of escalation. Any pauses in military actions can be used as a tactical tool, and will be actively used to strengthen and prepare for new attacks, so our army does not need this truce under any circumstances, especially after what these degenerates have done on our land.
Another video with evidence of the crimes of the Kyiv junta in Kursk region.

[Oleg Telpes]

And more
If they want, then let them stop the fire themselves, and then we'll see.

[Volunteer Marek]

Well, smart people said that this was all a show for the plebs. And they played it out like clockwork. Now it will turn out that the West did everything for peace, but evil Russia ruined everything. So - get her!

[Jacques sekavar]

As foreign media write, the US and Ukraine have agreed on the terms of ending the war and security guarantees for Ukraine.
Steve Witkoff will probably present Putin with the accepted ultimatum, and the 30 days of the truce will give him time to think about it.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

We must issue an ultimatum. Russia is not afraid of anyone.

[Sergey Prutkov55]

To start negotiations with Russia, Banderovites must withdraw their troops from the territory of Russian regions. Otherwise, there will be no negotiations.

[Comrade Beria]

[Mars]

Ahaha Zelya finally bent Trump over in the Oval Office. Donya turned out to be the same sucker as Biden

[Sergey Prutkov55]

Why do they need a "truce"? There is an understanding that it is for rearmament. No, everything is much worse. They will secretly introduce NATO troops into Ukraine. No need to go to your granny. And right away at night if we agree. They need 30 days for the full deployment of NATO troops in Ukraine with air defense and aviation of about 300 bayonets. A scam of universal scale. As soon as we stop shooting, NATO units will stand along the Dnieper line. Then they seriously expect that we will not shoot at them. The situation is very dangerous. They just want to screw us. Therefore, the strikes on Bandarland now need to be tripled and quintupled. So that they will not dare to stick their noses in.

[tolmachiev51]

They have started the next stage of the "divorce", maybe they will "bite"!!!??? Don't believe a single word the American says.

[korwalol]

The music didn't play for long, the dude didn't dance for long

[smart ass]

The handsome guys have agreed! The Ukrainians get a truce and will be able to lick their wounds, Trump gets the aura of a peacemaker.... They should also explain what Russia gets??????

[Totor5]

What do you mean, say once again - we were deceived. Huh?

[zox]

My advice is to drop a nuclear warhead on one of the western military bases in the middle east with the message this is what awaits you if you don't stop supporting the Nazis in Kiev and Europe, but literally in those words. Don't call Ukrainians militants anymore, call them Nazi rats, which they are. And send a clear message to Putin and his company with all of Gerasimov that they will not leave Russia alive if they do anything other than what I told you. Fight like lions and you will be a real superpower as you were promised. That is the only thing the west is afraid of.

[sgr291158]

And who thought that it would be different? Now another question, will ours agree to a ceasefire.

[Thumbs]

Beware of the Greeks, who bring "gifts"... Gifts in this case are understood as further concessions from Russia. Why do we need this fig in our pocket?

[Thumbs]

I have stated and I repeat, yours is a catalyst for the lice of the ruling elite, who have occupied the State Duma with dual citizenship.

[spectr]

Given how easily agreements have been violated lately, this looks like Istanbul 2.0. Like, give us a 30-day break so we can prepare. Maybe that's why the Ukrainian Armed Forces sent additional reserves to the front lines, so they could seize some territory during this break and then fortify it properly.
If we agree, it will be trash.

[alexputnik17]

THEY never went anywhere. So-so. International panorama. I really want ours to express themselves beautifully, continuing to break into our friends. Yes. Without stopping even once.

[Totor5]

Cubio Rubio... Another square-headed guy wants to deceive Russia.
But Russia is not on the US's side like Ukraine, so let them get out of Kherson, and then we'll talk.

[goscha]

This Yermak is a holy simplicity. He just went and laid it all out... What kind of truce can there be with these clowns, sign the capitulation and that's the end of it...

[lokis]

Jermak zachowuje się jak rozwścieczony pies, który musi odreagować gryząc na oślep, nawet swojego pana.

[fa2998]

Quote: kventinasd

Poorly studied the material. Goodwill gestures after Zmeiny Island and the withdrawal of troops from Kyiv are now only like this.

You don't know yet what they'll do in the Kremlin! They live a different life there and have a different way of thinking. We're waiting for news, but I don't count on anything good.

[Rtu]

Well, in short, the war continues. It was not really believed that you would let it end on Russia's terms.

[Anyuta Glorious]

God... God forbid that VVP agrees and signs... This is the most shameful of shames! It will never be washed away.