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Our Motherland is the USSR!

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Our Motherland is the USSR!Our interlocutor Yuri Golsha, a citizen of Russia, but a member of the Communist Party.


Glavred: - Yuri Vladimirovich, tell me, what was the impetus for the fact that you started the trial on your citizenship of Ukraine?

- Often, when I was in Europe, I came across our compatriots, people born in the USSR, communicated with them. Here at one of these meetings, I contacted with the Latvians. The same as we, Russian-speaking citizens, former Soviet citizens, only with passports, giving them the right to stay in the EU. And that's what I learned from them. They, like us in Ukraine, were changed names. We Augusta became Serpni, Roses - Trojands, Nikolai - Mykols, Anna - Gunnami. The same thing befell them, only they were given an ending in their names - the letter “c”! So Vitaly Kosov became Vitaliy Kosovs, And Yulia Stankevich became Hulihas Stankevichus. Holding Yulin's passport in my hand, I could not read her name for a long time, and at that time, looking at me, she was laughing!

So it was 20 years !!! And then there was some Latvian Goose (Goose in a good sense of the word), who went through all the judicial instances of Latvia, seeking the abolition of this marasmus. He came to the European Court, and he decided to cancel all these postscripts and return the names given to them by their parents. But 20 has been silent for years - the common people, the lawyers, and the linguists. A similar situation occurred in our USSR with citizenship.

Glavred: - And what is this our similarity? Can you simply and affordably explain to the readers of Vremya.UA?

- Of course, I will explain! The fact is that the issue of citizenship is a matter of fundamental human rights. Deprivation of citizenship, civil rights - this is one of the most ancient punishments, and it was equated to the death penalty. The names of this punishment were as follows: in ancient Rome it was exile; in France it was a civil death; in Russia it was a link. One common phrase was the loss of rights. We, the citizens of the USSR, became citizens of the USSR, because we were citizens of the Union Republics. The union republics united in the Union, and we received a common (in the Constitution the word “common” was replaced by the word “united”) a single union citizenship for all citizens.

Each of us had 2 citizenship. Each republic had its own flag, anthem, coat of arms, Constitution, laws and citizenship. When the Union was dismantled, what were we supposed to stay with? With our republican citizenship, regardless of where we were at this time - in Zanzibar, in Paraguay, Zimbabwe, or even one of the Union Republics of the USSR, but not our own. During life in the USSR, we all mixed up. Russians, Belarusians, Kazakhs, Georgians and Armenians came and moved to Ukraine. And the Ukrainians in the Far East of Russia were 40%. The village with the names of Lower Poltavka, New Stepok or Ukrainian Buylovka - this is the norm today for Russia. In Blagoveshchensk-on-Amur, the central street of the city is ul. Shevchenko T. G., as well as the street where I was born, in the Donetsk region - Priamurskaya street.

People mixed up, but their republican citizenship did not suffer from this. Citizens of all republics enjoyed the same rights on the territory of the USSR. But at the same time they remained citizens of these republics, and republican constitutions protected their citizenship, wherever they were. In 1991, not only the citizenship of the USSR, but also the republican citizenship disappeared. Of the two citizenships that were with each of us, not one was left! USSR citizenship has disappeared, but who and on what grounds has our republican citizenship taken away from us? That is the subject of my trial.

Glavred: - We know that a total of 4 trial has already passed. What is the result?

- Yes, it all started last year, from Yenakiyevo, the city where President V. Yanukovich was born. But the Enakiy court could not issue a concrete decision, the case was sent to the Donetsk Regional Administrative Court. March 14 held its last meeting. The court did not recognize me Ukrainian, republican citizenship, although I presented documents confirming my presence by birth and the first two decades of my life.

I did not hope that it will be recognized. This is just a step in further action. One judge will not break the system that has worked for 20 for years. But another thing was recognized, more weighty for the European Court (and I have judicial practice in the EU). None of the documents, none of the respondent’s speeches, nor any of the court decisions indicated a specific article of the law depriving me of this citizenship. Because it was contrary to the Constitution of Ukraine, which continued to act.

The defendant, a representative of the migration service of Ukraine, simply refused to answer this question. Moreover, in order to deprive a person of his citizenship, Ukrainian laws require that they follow a certain procedure, this is a series of procedures. The defendant has no evidence and their compliance. Most importantly, there is no presidential decree on the loss of my citizenship of Soviet Ukraine, namely, since the day it was released, my citizenship has been lost by me, so says the law. There is reason to go further. We are being pulled to Europe - well, well, let’s go, complain, take an example from the Latvian Goose.

Glavred: - Tell me, well, who of the social and political organizations of the Donetsk region supported you? Who sent their representatives to the court session?

- There were representatives of the Gromadskaya Rada of the Donetsk Regional Council, the regional organization of children of war, the Union of Soviet officers, the organization “Nobody except us”, the correspondent of the newspaper “Communist of Donbass”. Well, and I, the claimant - the representative of the Communist Party.

Glavred: - Well, everything is clear for you, you are of Russian Ukrainian origin. And we, Ukrainians of Russian and other origins, how do these courts relate to you?

- If a judicial precedent takes place, and this is exactly the name of the court decision that breaks down many years of anti-legal practice, then this will have various multi-faceted results of both economic and social and political importance. The legal basis of the precedent is obvious: the newly emerging laws should not infringe the established rights and freedoms of the individual. The borders of the CIS countries should limit only the rights and freedoms of CIS citizens born after the dismantling of the USSR. You, when returning your rights to you, will be able, as in the times of the USSR, to move freely, work, live from Minsk to Vladivostok, including Kiev and Almaty.

After all, this was guaranteed to us in the first international agreement of Ukraine, which is also not being implemented now. Although, according to the Constitution, is the law. The respondent didn’t respond to this question why it is not being fulfilled. One installation is done - “divide and conquer”! Divided by republics, is now divided within Ukraine, by color. The system is as old as the world.

But back to the issue of the effect of polygeneration for each of us. I was faced with the fact that in Europe many people receive two or even three pensions. Similarly, each of us, having two citizenships, by birth and by living at the time of the collapse of the USSR (this is exactly guaranteed in the “Agreement on the Creation of the CIS”), giving each of its republics several years of service, will have two pensions. I think that smart and flexible people are now able to “crank” it, but illegally. In our post-Soviet space, all of Moldova has two passports each, and probably someone has already thought of this. I want, in particular, to achieve this effect in legal form - the bourgeois, however, do not want!

Well, the main effect is the restoration of the rights of citizens of the USSR, it will be possible to talk about the restoration of the USSR, because these people will become the electoral base for initiating referendums in the republics, where they will have the right to vote.

Glavred: - I agree with you, as the fact is well known: the USSR de jure exists. And every cloud has a silver lining: the traitors Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk in a hurry and under the influence of a drink in Belovezhskaya Pushcha made a number of gross legal mistakes, which enable the willful ruler of one of our republics to restore the Union. But back to the topic. So, for the first time in 20 for the first time, the prospect of a possible restoration of the Soviet Union is seen. Well, how to briefly describe the violations that were committed in 1991 in the rights of citizens of the USSR? How to go to Europe, how do you say, what to complain about?

- In short, without going into legal subtleties and not referring to articles, this is about the following.

1. Why can a law, without mentioning a person, can deprive him of his human rights, his constitutional rights, impose a criminal punishment on him, equivalent to the death penalty, expressed in civil death?

2. On what basis is the practical deprivation of a citizen of his constitutional rights realized by such an application of the law, which completely contradicts the current Constitution, international treaties, the existing legal field of the country and even itself, this law?

3. How can it be that a citizen of a country has been deprived of its civil rights, citizenship on the grounds and in the manner that does not meet the requirements of the legal field of the same country by the state structures of this country? This deprivation is null and void, is not legitimate and should be revoked.

Let Europe think about these questions. But first, let's go through "all circles" in Ukraine.

Glavred: - The Constitution of Ukraine prohibits dual citizenship, we are told about this at every corner. By the way, as you know, according to media reports, more than 20 deputies in the parliament have dual citizenship. If Europe "gives the go-ahead," will this be unconstitutional?

- Sorry, these are fables for ordinary people. This oral prohibition is supposedly based on the word “one” in today's Constitution. A single citizenship was in the USSR, but with the second republican. And in Ukraine, it is “single” under the Constitution since June 1992, while in the same article, in its third line, a double was allowed, with a single one. And so it was until 1996. The law on citizenship, both in force and in force, allowed and allows polygrancy. The old law in force before 2001, allowed it to Art. 1, and the new - in the article 2 n. 1. Open and read, if you do not believe, it explains how to understand the word “one” and on what principles citizenship is based. These principles speak directly about the possibility of polygenship in Ukraine today. But all this is written for the report to Europe. And for us - the fable of the impossibility of this same polygrancy.

Glavred: - Well, tell me, Yuri, at least some of the famous people have already supported you?

- Yes, there are answers to my appeal. I started this litigation with written requests, not by email. In writing, a few months waiting for answers. Frequent trips to Europe - I am a member of the Workers' Commissions, this is the Spanish Communist trade union - interrupted my work on this issue. Who did I write to? To the President of Ukraine Yanukovich V.F., Minister of Education and Culture of Ukraine Tabachnik D.V., people's deputy of Ukraine, head of the Communist Party faction in the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine P.N. Symonenko, deputy of the State Duma of Russia, director of the Institute of CIS Countries K.F. , Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia to His Holiness Father Kirill, President of the Regional Public Organization “Zemlyachestvo Donbassovtsev” Moscow Lunev N. S., President of the Regional Public Organization “Zemlychestvom Donbassovtsev” St. Petersburg Lisovsky SA, the Donetsk regional state administration chairman Bliznyuk AM (now working in Parliament). Answers not received from all. But the positive responses received from three.

Pyotr Simonenko was the first to give support and give his answer (Rabochaya Gazeta, No. 185 from October 16, 2010). The second was Sergey Lisovsky from St. Petersburg, he came to our region and visited our city on other matters, but at the same time personally brought me his answer. The third was Father Cyril, I received a letter from him, he also expressed his support for this issue.

Glavred: - Tell me, Yuri, we see that you have been studying this question for a long time, and there were similar precedents in world practice?

- Yes, there were, but not in the form of judicial precedents, but in the form of the triumph of law and justice after a change in the power system in the country. Spain, after the fall of Franco’s regime, unconditionally gave its passports to citizens of the USSR (second citizenship with a single union) - “Spanish children” and their children - just because they or their parents were born in Spain, although it passed after their departure about 40 years. So it will probably be with us - if I lose the courts, we will wait until the restoration of the USSR.
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  1. fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 07: 38 New
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    I’m absolutely not familiar with any mistakes made in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, but "... since it is a well-known fact: the USSR exists de jure. And there is a blessing in disguise: the traitors Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, in a hurry and under the influence of a drink in the Bialowieza Forest, made a number of gross legal errors that give the willful ruler of one of our republics to restore the Union ... "- where is our WILL WILL, TO REPORT IT !, and go back to the USSR !!! hi
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 09: 02 New
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      The USSR is still a horror story for traders all over the world. Attempts are being made and will be undertaken to denigrate and eradicate the memory of the USSR. But while the generation of Soviet people living and educated in the USSR is still alive, the hope of reviving this great country is still alive. That's when this generation will die out and be replaced by the “Generation of Zeros” brought up on the capitalist ideals of the superiority of personal gain over the public good and with brainwashed priests (from the kindergarten) with humility grafted by the church - then the USSR will end!
      Many disagree with my position on the church, but pay attention to who lives well now - the oligarchs who stole the property of the people of the USSR, traders (the number of shopping centers in cities), Pawnbrokers (number of banks) and priests (number of churches). I propose to think about fertile parasites that do not really produce anything!
      1. esaul
        esaul 30 March 2013 09: 53 New
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        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        let's see how many days the power of GDP and EdRa will last

        Funny revelation in the "swamp" spirit ... laughing You are not original in exposing the "anti-people regime", poor fellow ...
        It is a pity there is no time machine to send those who wish to live in that blessed time under the guidance of the Kom Party (70's, 80's), so that you fully enjoy the charms there. Many here on the forum, when discussing a similar article, have already expressed themselves in the spirit - "Well, I would have returned ...!". Tryndet well, knowing that you can’t enter the same river twice. I think that having lived there, having known the current "anti-people" government system under the "yoke of Putin", many in the world would have become leaders in the need for reform movement ...! laughing
        1. Aleks28
          Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 01 New
          +1
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          It will be necessary, we will conduct a trial, it’s good it’s clear who will be put in the dock: Shushkevich and Kravchuk are still alive

          Simple and cheap populism and nothing new. The most interesting thing is that Khan Zyuganov, and both have the same slogans laughingThe most touching thing is this:It will be necessary, we will conduct the trial lol
          1. stranik72
            stranik72 30 March 2013 10: 32 New
            +1
            Allex28
            He began his journey, and judging by the flag you have your "somewhat different" one, especially since he did something, your grumbling from behind a hillock does not bring anything but that grumbling and that is up to you.
            1. Aleks28
              Aleks28 30 March 2013 11: 27 New
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              Quote: stranik72
              He began his journey, and judging by the flag you have your "somewhat different" one, especially since he did something, your grumbling from behind a hillock does not bring anything but that grumbling and that is up to you.

              From your grumbling under the Russian flag, no more sense than mine. Work at least to post clearly, otherwise I don’t understand who OH? And I’ve been faced with the situation more than once, as soon as the arguments end, the flag is immediately used lol Poor logic. hi
        2. stranik72
          stranik72 30 March 2013 10: 28 New
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          "anti-people" government system under the "yoke of Putin", many in the world would become leaders in the movement of the need for reform ...! "
          Definitely, but not according to the patterns of Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Gaidar-Berezovsky-Putin-2000.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 33 New
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            Quote: stranik72
            Definitely, but not according to the patterns of Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Gaidar-Berezovsky-Putin-2000.

            Yes, but according to the patterns of Ivanov-Petrov-Sidors, with the same results. wink
            1. esaul
              esaul 30 March 2013 10: 56 New
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              Quote: Allex28
              Yes, but according to the patterns of Ivan-Petrov-Sidors, with the same results

              Greetings, Alexander hi Absolutely agree. Mankind has not yet deduced for itself the only true, flawless formula of state structure. There is no one who can provide such a model. And the whole thing - in the diversity of human ideas. Maybe it’s good, but maybe it’s the road to eternal conflicts and wars ... Anyway, but we should live in this world ...
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 30 March 2013 11: 04 New
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                Quote: esaul
                Absolutely agree. Humanity has not brought out for itself the only true, perfect form of government

                Good day Valery hiAnd I think that if they get it out, it won’t be soon. In any case, we certainly won’t see it. The natural greed of a person is to blame, and there is nothing to be done about it.
        3. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 10: 51 New
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          But do I propose to return everything to the past? what
          1. esaul
            esaul 30 March 2013 11: 01 New
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            Quote: bezumnyiPIT
            But do I propose to return everything to the past?

            No ... You don’t offer ... But your post implies your "secret knowledge" about the fact that you know someone who is able to lead us with "Great Dogma, comrade ...!" laughing
            Here, of course, I am somewhat ironic, dear, but, in my opinion, the one who denies the existing order of things (or branding a separate party, as in your case) should find an opportunity to present a worthy alternative. Do you have one?
            Sincerely. Esaul. drinks
        4. Egoza
          30 March 2013 11: 03 New
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          Quote: esaul
          many in the world would become leaders in the need for reform movement ...! laughing


          Reform - possible! But not a replacement of the socialist system for the capitalist !!! am
          1. esaul
            esaul 30 March 2013 11: 18 New
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            Quote: Egoza
            But not a replacement of the socialist system for the capitalist !!!

            laughing laughing laughing Don’t get so angry, Lena! hi And do not "threaten me with a fork" ...! You just show me one who is ready to lead us on the bright path of prosperity and equality in the most faithful way. Moses the poor fellow and he, at one time, got lost in the desert and dragged the Jews along the dunes for over 40 years. But he - canonized as a saint ... !!! belay What a hassle ... recourse
            Of course there was another way already trodden by Hitler. But, you need it, Helen ...?
        5. ia-ai00
          ia-ai00 30 March 2013 12: 57 New
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          No need to cling to the "swamp stench" to the dream of the people of the revival of the USSR! The "swamp" SPONSOR is due to the Bugra, and their goal is to bring the matter to the END - to ruin RUSSIA!
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 09: 07 New
      +1
      As soon as an authoritative political force capable of succeeding the CPSU appears, let’s see how many days the power of GDP and EdRa will last
      1. esaul
        esaul 30 March 2013 09: 42 New
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        Hmmm ... recourse
        In general, I was born in RUSSIA and I consider it to be my birthmark.
        It was Russia that my ancestors faithfully served, it was by participating in its History that they achieved either success or failure. And for me, the Word Russia means more than the abbreviation - USSR. And the above-mentioned abbreviation is now often used as a common brand, with the filing of Gazmanov.
        Quote: fenix57
        where is our willful ruler, report it!

        Namesake, welcome. hi It is strange that you still have not seen in Putin that leader who is necessary in this historical segment of Russia. A call
        Quote: fenix57
        and forward back to the USSR !!!
        - somewhat populist (no offense) and hasty. In the form that the USSR has been for the last couple of decades, it was a road to nowhere and if it weren’t, then you and I would continue to live in the USSR until now. If you revive the abbreviation, then under the new social principles. hi
        And numerous references to total betrayal in higher spheres are self-justification of their mistakes and errors. According to this logic, almost the entire population of the then USSR can be written into traitors. Everyone wanted a change - that means the system was imperfect and needed changes.


        S_mirnov (2)

        Your comment didn’t say anything new about your position. As you got stuck on the idea - “We will destroy the whole world of violence ...” you are still destroying it, but at the same time you are trying to drive into the brains of young people the ephemeral confidence that the USSR was an ideal social order. laughing

        but pay attention to who lives well now - the oligarchs who stole the property of the people of the USSR, traders (the number of shopping centers in cities), laughing

        With a show off, traders in the USSR vegetated in poverty. Yes, traders were one of the most privileged classes in the Union. You probably forgot how humiliatingly requested all sorts of things from under the shelves, and if it was not possible to beg for, then these merchants were winged in impotent rage. It was, was, and no need to ostentatiously resent ...! And the oligarchs were in the Union - the very guilds (mainly Armenians) and party functionaries who crushed entire industries under themselves. Remember the numerous “Cases” - “The Case of Mostorg”, “The Case of Min. Fisheries”, when they drove all the caviar abroad, and drove money into the pockets of a handful of school nomenclature. They quickly forgot the humiliation and dumbness that you were doomed to. And now you boldly open your mouth and are not afraid that they will call you for a "conversation" ...
        1. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 30 March 2013 09: 55 New
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          “Namesake, welcome. Hi It’s strange that you still haven’t seen in Putin that leader who is needed in this historical segment of Russia. And the call” - in the era of traders, probably the GDP is really “appropriate”. It depends on what you want for our country.
          "With a show off, traders in the USSR vegetated in poverty. Yes, traders were one of the most privileged classes in the Union." - No, in the USSR, the Man of Labor was a privileged class. It is enough to read newspapers of the times of the USSR. You will not find pid-owls and oligarchs on their pages.
          "You probably forgot how humiliatingly requested all sorts of things from under the shelves, and if it was not possible to beg, then the wings of these merchants were in impotent rage." - this is what people who lost their pride did, I never did that. It’s just that people in the USSR lived differently, for someone to beg to humiliate, and for someone to develop a country and work for the benefit of people and the motherland.
          It is difficult for traders to understand, for them a scarce product is the highest measure of happiness!
          1. esaul
            esaul 30 March 2013 10: 02 New
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            Quote: S_mirnov
            It is enough to read newspapers of the times of the USSR.

            Yes Yes...! fool Three newspapers - "TRUTH". "Izvestia" and "LABOR" are the only three sources of "truthful and objective" information, financing of which at 100% was carried out by the Party ... laughing You are so convincing ...! Then I have to believe the American press, writing about zoological nonsense about today's Russia. .. Indeed, the media too! Moreover, mind you - access to such information is not prohibited. Read, compare, be surprised, resent ...
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 30 March 2013 10: 33 New
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              “Three newspapers -“ TRUTH. ”“ IZVESTIA ”and“ LABOR ”are the only three sources - you are lying, there were much more newspapers:
              look here: http://www.oldgazette.ru/
              And the emphasis in the newspapers was on respect for the Man of Labor, and not on top managers, thieves in law and those "what panties were on Sobchak."
              “Then I have to believe the American press, writing about zoological nonsense about today's Russia.” - and you believe! it’s not only the American press that turns out to be quite difficult to understand who now owns our media through official channels. There are many options.
              1. esaul
                esaul 30 March 2013 11: 11 New
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                Quote: S_mirnov
                And the emphasis in the newspapers was on respect for the Labor Man,

                And who argues, colleague fellow KANEchna! A person was guaranteed participation in elections where the only candidates were members of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, guaranteed employment with a salary that provided that necessary minimum of social benefits, equality was declared, but, in fact, the party nomenclature had equal rights, which decided who was the most right-wing right and always this choice was in favor of the party. Two years ago, my company participated in the reconstruction of a residential building that belonged to the party elite in Soviet times. Those apartments, which they had then, with the current costing standards and the financial opportunities of people, not everyone can afford many wealthy people. So that the society of justice in the USSR, of course, was built ... Justice for the party elite of the CPSU.
                In general, your argument puzzles me a little. In my opinion, only the lazy one didn’t go through this "evidence" ...
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 31 New
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                  There were cons in the USSR, I do not argue. But everything is known in the comparison "Justice for the CPSU Party Elite" - let's compare with the current level of corruption of government officials?
                  Remember the "party elite" relaxing in personal palaces with yachts and planes? don't remember So I don’t remember, but OBHSS how I worked - I remember!
                  Can we compare the priests in the USSR and in the Russian Federation? With watches and limousines wink
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 30 March 2013 18: 01 New
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                    S_mirnov] Remember the "party elite" resting in personal palaces
                    with yachts and planes? don't remember So I do not remember


                    Sasha, well, you directly "killed" such blocky (and - most importantly - "new") arguments.
                    What is so naive to argue? In the USSR, party nomenclature already belonged to EVERYTHING. Default.
                    And private property - it wasn’t that you ...! And as necessary bonuses
                    (the truth then there was no such word), to restore precious health
                    of our leaders, their services included airplanes,
                    and yachts, and (Oh, God!) prostitutes.

                    S_mirnov] Can we compare the priests in the USSR
                    and in the Russian Federation? With watches and limousines


                    What is so modest, Sasha? If you pull by the ears everything that comes to mind
                    (what for do we stick to one topic, right?),
                    so let's discuss the disclosure of the national spirit of the Norwegians in a work
                    E. Grieg - "Per Gunt", the theory of "passionarity of ethnogenesis" Gumilyov or
                    the tahitian period of van Gogh’s work .. laughing
                    Believe me - I’m not smart, but I want to remind you that we started with an exchange of views
                    about the merits or demerits of the USSR, and you have already reached the priests ...
                    1. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 31 March 2013 00: 51 New
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                      "I want to remind you that we started with an exchange of views
                      about the merits or demerits of the USSR, and you have already reached the priests. "- it all fits together, I believe that priests in the USSR were much more worthy than in the Russian Federation. This is just one of the factors that complement the big picture.
                      “Everything belonged to the party nomenclature in the USSR.” - No, dear, everything belonged to the PEOPLE in the USSR. In the USSR, I could go to the forest or to the river and did not meet fences or signs "private property" on the way, only military facilities could stop a walking citizen.
                2. ia-ai00
                  ia-ai00 30 March 2013 13: 48 New
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                  Yes, the party elite did not even dream of such permissiveness as officials now have, and the VALUES of the country were distributed to all citizens of the USSR in the form of free medicine, education from school to the Academy, receiving free housing, WORTHY pension! And if on the ground one of the officials or any structures violated the rights of citizens, people knew where to complain, and measures were taken! And now - for treating children - with outstretched hands to the whole WORLD, they are already "casting a bait" on paid school education, about the rest - I’m silent, I don’t earn an apartment for a hard worker, a teacher, a doctor in 10 lives, a housing and communal services - robbery, and there is no government on them.

                  ... a society of justice in the USSR, of course, was built ... Justice for the party elite of the CPSU


                  Well, now do you have this justice?
            2. domokl
              domokl 30 March 2013 11: 02 New
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              Quote: esaul
              Three newspapers - "TRUTH". "Izvestia" and "LABOR" are the only three sources of "truthful and objective
              Greetings Valery! And here is not your truth laughing I was still forced to write out the Red Star and the Soviet Warrior magazine ...
              In general, your dispute resembles a conversation between a specialist and an amateur, but in terms of authority ... Indeed, people either forgot or do not know about their father’s New Year’s net with tangerines and oranges ... And Coca-Cola in 1980 ... A bottle of dreams. . And plastic bags with any pattern, a dream ... And the Grocery store is huge in the only product for all sections of the Georgian seasoning Hops-managed (why I still don’t understand) ... They forgot everything ..
              1. esaul
                esaul 30 March 2013 11: 28 New
                +1
                Hi Sasha hi laughing
                Quote: domokl
                But it’s not your truth. They still forced me to write out the Red Star and the Soviet Warrior magazine ...

                I confess, friend ... Exactly! Everything is in the same vein, only on a military theme. And that was great. Because there was confidence in the security of the "conquests of the Great October Revolution." Well, the fact that the soldier, as was a consumable and cheap labor in the "holy work of construction" ... of the summer residence of the generals, was just like that now, HAVE not a camilpho ... But then it was also threatened with excommunication from participation in the construction of a brighter future and the luminous prospect of falling into different unpopular lands and institutions ...
                Quote: domokl
                people either forgot or do not know about the father’s net for New Year with tangerines and oranges ... And Coca-Cola in 1980 ... Dream bottle .. And plastic bags with any drawing-dream ... And the Grocery store is huge in the only goods to all sections of the Georgian seasoning Hops-managed (why she was still not understood) ... They forgot everything ..

                Yes, Sasha, - they forgot ... And now new guides to the bright future - from Zyuganov to Nemtsov - are intensely and enthusiastically taking advantage of this ...
              2. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 30 March 2013 14: 03 New
                +4
                Lord, how small you lacked ... well, now the packages - at least for ... oh eat, and grass with your KAKA-Cola! In spite of your WALLS, everyone always had this GRID of mandarin and orange for the New Year! Empty counters - this is the merit of humpbacked! But among all the people around me, no one ever said that they were forced to write out something from the press! Another thing, something was produced in small print runs, and it was not always possible to write out, for example, Literary Newspaper or Radio magazines, At the wheel. But at the same time, people allowed each other to read, in all the libraries of enterprises almost any publication could be taken and read, and indeed, these are Trivia that it’s ridiculous to remember them! You can see it now - NO PROBLEMS! CONGRATULATIONS!
                1. Sirocco
                  Sirocco 30 March 2013 15: 35 New
                  +2
                  Quote: ia-ai00
                  Empty counters - this is the merit of humpbacked!

                  That's right, with the advent of this Terminator and problems began, in enterprises and other manufacturers. Queues, coupons, appeared in the late 80s.
                2. Genur
                  Genur 30 March 2013 16: 51 New
                  0
                  ia-ai00 Today, 14:03 PM ↑ new
                  Lord, how small you lacked ... well now

                  Tell the truth! But someone does not like her. You’ve "stood" +2.
                  I press to add one. And the deuce still remains - someone, apparently, did not like your nostalgic statement.
                  There are enough spiteful critics (so-called truth-lovers) in this forum.
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 30 March 2013 18: 42 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Genur
                    There are enough spiteful critics (so-called truth-lovers) in this forum.

                    Cool ...! On one such post, one of the members of the forum quite reasonably remarked: "Why, if someone's opinion coincides with yours, then this is right, and everything else is wrong ...?" I support him in this remark. Someone you Genur, consider a spiteful critter, and someone may call you that. Take your time with definitions, colleague.
                3. esaul
                  esaul 30 March 2013 19: 03 New
                  +1
                  Quote: ia-ai00
                  that they were forced to write out something from the press!

                  You are right - you didn’t force ... And - they suggested - "Do you want to get a Literary Newspaper, write something out of the" order "-" Pravda "or something like that ... I remember, Olya wink And now you don’t need to ask a neighbor to give something to read - take it and read it ... Such trifles that you notice them ...! It's just FUNNY!
              3. Genur
                Genur 30 March 2013 16: 39 New
                +1
                I recalled the saying of TOGO time: "There is no news in Truth, there is no truth in Izvestia" ...
                1. esaul
                  esaul 30 March 2013 18: 44 New
                  0
                  Quote: Genur
                  I recalled the saying of TOGO time: "There is no news in Truth, there is no truth in Izvestia" ...

                  Well so .. And what am I talking about, Genur ?! laughing I feel your titanic mind ... Posts directly harmoniously complement each other ... That -------
                  someone apparently did not like your nostalgic statement.
                  There are enough spiteful critics (so-called truth-lovers) in this forum.


                  And then straight to the "construction site" --------- I recalled the saying of TOGO time: "There is no news in Truth, there is no truth in Izvestia

                  HUMAN !!! Lump !!! (In my opinion - from Lenin ...) yes
              4. morpex
                morpex 30 March 2013 21: 17 New
                +2
                Alexander! We have not forgotten anything. And in your words there is some truth. But I want to answer you with the words of another forum member. I subscribe to his every word.
                Quote: domokl
                .All have forgotten..


                Armeec 28 March 2013 09: 09
                41 Now we can see the world and show ourselves. A car, some kind of carriage from behind the hill, easy to pick up the dough, arrange shopping at the supermarkets, glut in the McDonald’s, go to the nightclub to stir up ... I don’t know how anyone, but I’m personally ready to give up all the charm of capitalism I agree to go to Moskvich again (which I must first buy), have a rest in Altai and the Crimea (it suits me), support the decisions of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, help African little people to pay a trifle. Pay membership fees. I agree that there will be 5 in stores types of sausages (but natural) and not 500, even I agree instead of Ma it’s a matter of smoking Cosmos. All these are trifles, but I would feel that I live in a Great country, where everything is for the people, and not for those who have loot. Where there is stability and confidence in the future. Where a priori, the highest state posts CAN'T occupy such scum as taburetkin. Where the police serves the people, where Aigul and Dzhamshut is just the name of a resident of our common homeland, and not, the black-and-white come in large numbers, Well, progress would still not stop, so without flash drives and cell phones we would still not stay.
            3. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 30 March 2013 12: 14 New
              +5
              Quote: esaul
              Three newspapers - "TRUTH". "Izvestia" and "LABOR" are the only three sources of "truthful and objective" information

              How is it three belay and Komsomolskaya Pravda, Pioneer Pravda and Murzilka magazine laughing
          2. esaul
            esaul 30 March 2013 10: 09 New
            -4
            this is what people who lost their pride did, I never did

            laughing Yes, I do not believe ... laughing You can hang this noodles on the ears of young users - someone will believe ... You led such a righteous and ascetic lifestyle that you used to have a “Breakfast of a tourist” (fish meatballs in tomato) and birch sap in three-liter jars found in Soviet stores in the 90's was plenty. And sugar - 1kg per month per snout, cereals - 1 kg., Butter - 1 pack 200 gr. Laundry soap - 2 pieces and other charms - were on coupons. You would go to today's DPRK - to satisfy your nostalgic hunger.
            Even the same partelite was “fed” by the authorities through all kinds of rations - “Kremlin”, “Obkomovsky”, “Raykomovsky” ...! Even here, the ideological leaders were reduced to the animal desire to solder, closing their eyes to the needs of ordinary people. And they - these fighters of the ideological front - elementary, humiliated, worked out this soldering. "Bite something hotstsa ..."
            Believe me, I do not gloat and do not scuffle. I understand the desire of the parent to feed their children and support their family. For these reasons, many tsarist officers went to serve the Bolsheviks. I am outraged by the rough juggling and noodles of kilograms on the ears of young people.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 30 March 2013 10: 23 New
              +2
              "Yes, I do not believe ... laughing You can hang this noodles on the ears of young users - someone will believe it"
              I already answered you, earlier
              "It’s hard for traders to understand, for them a scarce product is the highest measure of happiness!"
              1. esaul
                esaul 30 March 2013 10: 30 New
                +1
                Quote: S_mirnov
                It’s hard for traders to understand, for them a scarce product is the highest measure of happiness! "

                Well, it’s you who can now starve from the heart - the Internet can’t stand it ... I don’t exclude the possibility that even in the days when waves of civil disobedience swept through the country, you also stigmatized the rotten Soviet regime ... And now it has become fashionable again - stigmatize ... wink
                1. Aleks28
                  Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 41 New
                  0
                  Quote: esaul
                  Well, it’s you who can now starve from the heart - the Internet can’t stand it ... I don’t exclude the possibility that even in the days when waves of civil disobedience swept through the country, you also stigmatized the rotten Soviet regime ... And now it has become fashionable again - stigmatize ...

                  Sorry colleague, I'll fix you up a bit. S_mirnov belongs to the class of eternally stigmatizing ordinary, and no matter what system the main thing is he is always in "opposition". laughing
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 30 March 2013 12: 13 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Allex28
                    S_mirnov belongs to the class of forever stigmatizing ordinary

                    Sasha good Well, this is more of a complement to the words DOMOKLA
                    Quote: domokl
                    lived in some kind of reserve for especially valuable species of people
                    laughing
                    1. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 36 New
                      +3
                      Nifiga like that, parents are engineers with a regular salary. I just think socialism is a much more progressive social system compared to capitalism, especially with the fact that we have in the Russian Federation.
                2. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 34 New
                  0
                  “I do not rule out that even in the days when waves of civil disobedience swept through the country, you also stigmatized the rotten Soviet regime” - no, then I told everyone that I was outside politics and I’m not interested in politics sad Then I realized how much I was mistaken. Well, yes, it’s the past, the mistakes of youth.
              2. domokl
                domokl 30 March 2013 11: 11 New
                -2
                I was curious ... Sasha Smirnov, did you live under the USSR? Or a cool user of sites? It seems that you don’t know that life at all .. Or lived in some kind of sanctuary for especially valuable kinds of people ... Read the newspapers The truth is, the rest is simply retyped by adding local news .. on products — Knocking on rails, long, green and smells of sausage (the answer is a Moscow train) ..
                And the rest ... everything is its own .. fucking but its own ... But we have the most ballet ballet in the world ..
                1. esaul
                  esaul 30 March 2013 11: 36 New
                  -1
                  Quote: domokl
                  I became interested

                  And I, from your commentary, Sasha, almost fell under a chair from laughter.
                  Quote: domokl
                  lived in some kind of reserve for especially valuable species of people ...

                  Quote: domokl
                  But we have the most ballet in the world ..

                  Let me add a little ... During the time of the Union, the "container" under the name "string bag" was still very popular. In everyday life, she was given the name "NIHERASKA" because no matter how much you go to the store with her - udin H.E.R. - you can’t catch them laughing And it’s widespread, I think, was - extremely - everything that you carry in it is visible to everyone! At least a pack of cigarettes, at least canned food "Gobies in a tomato" ... Everyone sees that you have the same thing as everyone else. It is in the spirit of communist equality. And the KGB felt calmer - it is immediately obvious that you are not hiding a stick of "hostile, bourgeois" sausage in any bag. belay
                  1. S_mirnov
                    S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 48 New
                    +1
                    “It’s in the spirit of communist equality. And the KGB felt calmer - it’s immediately obvious that you are not hiding a stick of“ hostile, bourgeois ”sausage in any bag.” - in fact, it was the traders and the farmers who were the very victims of socialism, the bribe takers were very much affected, and there was a different kind of abomination like Solzhenitsyn who did not allow to open their mouths.
                    1. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 30 March 2013 14: 03 New
                      +2
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      it was the traders and the farmers who were the very victims of socialism, the bribe takers were very much affected, and there was a different kind of abomination, like Solzhenitsyn, who did not allow their mouths to open.

                      For the first time, I agree with you, all this riffraff was just an ideological field, and a breeding ground for "market reforms." Some grandmothers were assaulted, but they could not show everyone full pockets (wow, how it gnawed them), and others they thought that they were the smartest, but no one hears them. P: S: (not related to the topic) On the TV, they just transmitted that Zolotukhin died, it was a pity the good actor.
                      1. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 30 March 2013 16: 34 New
                        +2
                        "Zolotukhin died," - Good people are always a pity. But he will live in the blessed memory of millions of people.
                    2. esaul
                      esaul 30 March 2013 18: 33 New
                      0
                      S_mirnov (2)

                      Somehow it becomes uninteresting to speak with you, Sasha. Something pereklinil you in three words - an abomination, scammers, traders ... I don’t know, I talked with other people ... And you apparently OBKHSSny itch has not weathered yet. Among your brother there was plenty of the same shit ... If you say that this is a lie, then you will lie. Thieves and bribes were always and OBHSSniki were not entirely angels in the flesh.
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      like Solzhenitsin

                      At this time, you are in approximately the same positions as Solzhenitsyn, i.e. - in opposition. And nobody shuts up your mouth ... Make comparisons, colleague ...
                      1. ia-ai00
                        ia-ai00 30 March 2013 18: 40 New
                        0
                        So they are “THERE ON THE TOP” and now they don’t even hear us, so speak, speak ...
                      2. Aleks28
                        Aleks28 30 March 2013 19: 12 New
                        +1
                        Quote: ia-ai00
                        So they are “THERE ON THE TOP” and now they don’t even hear us, so speak, speak ...

                        Have you heard before? belay Chet I do not remember this. no
                    3. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 20: 31 New
                      +1
                      “Something pereklinil you in three words” - only at traders, in my opinion this word expresses the very essence of our power. Therefore, I often use it. The other two seemed to you. hi
                      “At this time, you are in approximately the same positions as Solzhenitsyn at that time — that is, in the opposition” - Fu, what a disgusting comparison. In the opposition, at one time, there were many good people (Stalin, Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Chegevara, even Leo Tolstoy, in relation to the church (he was anathematized)) do not blame the word opposition with the name of Solzhenitsyn.
                      "And no one shuts your mouth ... Make comparisons, colleague ..." - Then try to appear on television with a call to disclose whose contributions in Cyprus are suffering, to list, surname. Or try to get up with the banner “Down with the corruption from the authorities!” ruining the administration of his city. And then you will authoritatively declare that nobody shuts your mouth. wink
                      Be healthy!
              3. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 44 New
                +2
                He lived, and my Soviet education is the best! It’s just that we had different values, some lacked sausages and jeans, and others liked working for the benefit of people and surging generations did not forget about themselves. Five-day work week, annual paid leave, motels, pioneer camps, confidence in the future. It’s just that many people think that the USSR is pre-perestroika lineup for groceries, since it’s not the USSR anymore — it’s already the Gorbachev region that heated up popular discontent. The same notorious State Department, to which you attribute all those dissatisfied with the current state of affairs.
          3. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 30 March 2013 10: 43 New
            +9
            "And sugar - 1 kg per month per snout, cereals - 1 kg., Oil - 1 pack 200 gr .. Laundry soap - 2 pieces and other charms - were on coupons." - you give an example from the time of the decline of the USSR, when enemies of the people who got into power destroyed the people’s state from the inside. It was on the gradual cultivation of the discontent of the people that the policy of the USA on the destruction of the USSR was built.
            "You would go to today's DPRK - to satisfy your nostalgic hunger." - and go wherever you want. My homeland is here. I have to go somewhere unnecessarily.
            “I understand the desire of the parent to feed their children and support their family” - but only in the USSR this has never been a problem, but now?
            “For these reasons, many tsarist officers went to serve the Bolsheviks.” - Again, you only understand the motives tied to consumption. Denikin also paid the tsarist officers both Wrangel and Old Man Makhno, only the people went after the communists and one should not think that the people would have been a fool and the commissars had easily divorced him.
          4. stranik72
            stranik72 30 March 2013 10: 58 New
            13
            Yes, you’re my friend, the user, except for the Moscow Komsomolets in the late 80s, didn’t read or see anything else, he remembered the “tourist breakfast”, he was more valuable than your big mage in terms of caloric ecological compatibility, people didn’t die in that country called the USSR from hunger they didn’t climb the garbage cans, in that country called the USSR there were no homeless and impoverished children, for some reason, in the “hungry” USSR that you despise so much, the villages did not die out. This used to be told in the USSR:
            “The life of most people on Earth is to die from disease and hunger, to be illiterate, unemployed, and disenfranchised in the hands of the“ masters of life. ” This is the life of people who are forced to choose between the education of their son and the health of their mother, between their own angle and the birth of children. This is the life of people without faith in the future. ”
            WE DIDN'T BELIEVE: Now we see what it really means to live like most people on earth. Eat
            1. esaul
              esaul 30 March 2013 12: 09 New
              -3
              Quote: stranik72
              . Eat

              Zhenya hi
              So here I am - eating ... And, oddly enough, you eat the same ... But at the same time you have time to say between the throats that the “damned regime” is starving and if it weren’t for it, then you would eat more and tastier. I will disappoint you ... Judging by the number in the nickname, your birth year is 1972 (maybe I'm wrong) and your childhood memories are pictures from childhood that your parents worked tirelessly so that the child would not see the need. I hasten to warn you that ALWAYS (!) Disgusted the Big Macs and the American shnya and for me (unlike you) it was never a measure of prosperity.
              Quote: stranik72
              except for the Moscow Komsomolets at the end of the 80’s, they didn’t read or see anything else,

              laughing
              And you had the opportunity to fall for other "life-giving sources" of information? belay If - yes, then you, my friend, listened to the "enemy voice" - the radio "America's voice" and, I guarantee, relished the delights there with pleasure.
              Quote: stranik72
              in that country called the USSR people did not die of hunger

              Sucks you, my friend, know the history of your country. There were both hunger and cold, and not always because of hostile efforts from behind the hill. There were both hunger and cold for reasons of "socialist expediency." Well, yes, this is probably not interesting to you. After all, it’s more interesting to say that you, an extremal person, once live in a country where people climb in garbage bins and homeless people — are immeasurable.
              In general, I'm sorry, with all due respect, Nikolai, I do not see the point in the dispute with you. you are dominated by propaganda cliches extolled by belolentochniki and for you these cliches are an axiom.
              All the best, Nikolai. I hope that someday we will speak with you from the same perspective.
              Sincerely, Esaul.
          5. Sirocco
            Sirocco 30 March 2013 15: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: esaul
            . And sugar - 1 kg per month per snout, cereals - 1 kg., Oil - 1 pack 200 gr .. Laundry soap - 2 pieces and other charms - were on coupons

            Valery, it seems to me that you are casting a shadow over the wattle fence, All of these coupons, and the other restrictions described by you, appeared in 88 - 89 years, so to speak, at the peak of Gorbachev's termination. At least in the Dnipropetrovsk region until these years there were no problems with food. You seem to have gone too far.
            1. ia-ai00
              ia-ai00 30 March 2013 16: 29 New
              +2
              There were no problems with products until 88-89. Due to the specifics of the work, I went on business trips all over Kazakhstan, to visit and have a rest, and to Russia, and Ukraine, and Kyrgyzstan, and there were no problems with food anywhere before Judah came to power! The supply was slightly different, but mainly for manufactured goods. Somewhere it was better with furniture, somewhere with textiles, somewhere it was easier to buy books ... polls employees brought books from business trips, and people read, and our children read! And now everything is everywhere, books, although they are full, and no one reads, other values ​​are planted for children, not the CREATOR, but the CONSUMER, so they don’t strive for anything, now they need everything at once, and even attitude towards cruelty youths have changed life REFORMERS, so that ....
            2. esaul
              esaul 30 March 2013 18: 05 New
              0
              Quote: Sirocco
              You seem to have gone too far

              Vladimir hi
              I won’t butt my words are the ultimate truth,
              but "you won’t throw words out of a song." I can talk about Siberia.
              They survived thanks to their efforts, arguing that before God
              high, and far to Moscow. The Gorbachev era was the final
              phase of the rout, which was laid much earlier.
          6. ia-ai00
            ia-ai00 30 March 2013 16: 09 New
            +2
            What you listed in ProdNabor - after a while, how Gorbi came to power! I didn’t have any “blat”, and not only me, but most of the employees, but everyone had everything in the refrigerator, and the menu of the holiday tables was no worse than in the era of “the abundance of food POEMONS”, from vegetables and fruits to meat and fish!
            And as for the PartElite’s menu, again, I repeat, well, they didn’t have problems with the products, but they didn’t have breakfast in Hawaiiha and didn’t have dinner in Paris, so don’t do it! .... And young people, on the contrary, LYE YOU with ears Everything was AWESOME, and now everything - well, very HORRRRROSHO!
            1. esaul
              esaul 30 March 2013 18: 22 New
              0
              Quote: ia-ai00
              but they did not have breakfast in Hawaii, and did not have dinner in Paris,

              Ay-ah, Olya! wink If you say so, you probably know where you rested, where you had breakfast and lunch partelita ...
              Quote: ia-ai00
              abundance of food PESTICIANS

              who prevents you from eating environmentally friendly foods? A shovel with a hoe on the shoulder, from morning until evening on the home garden worked and the table is full of environmentally friendly products! I would only be happy for you. But here’s the catch: well, most citizens do not want to hunch back at their sites, they prefer to buy all kinds of fruits, and some (especially arrogant), having earned money, manage to have breakfast in Hawaii and have lunch in Paris. I’m not talking about the oligarchs, from whom everyone has an emetic spasm, but about ordinary citizens. If you say that it’s not possible to go on tour for a cordon, then here, Olya, you need to take a closer look at yourself more critically. Maybe you are underdeveloping something?
              Quote: ia-ai00
              it's already after some time, as Gorbi came to power

              The same thing is a hackneyed record, when all the sins of the previous rulers are hung on one scapegoat, who himself put in awesome efforts to this.
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 31 March 2013 22: 09 New
                +1
                Shovel with a chopper on the shoulder ...


                So ... you have to choose, or work for a ter (ITR), or a shovel ... And so that everyone would do his own thing without harming each other in any way?

                Those who "have breakfast at Hawaiich and have dinner in Paris" most likely stole from those who, from morning to night ... on plantations, factories, factories, schools, in mines, etc. etc...
                Well, about “I’m not finalizing” ... I can leave “for the cordon,” but what would my sister have with a pension equivalent to a tightness of $ 200 and a daughter a doctor with higher education and a salary equivalent of $ 350, raising a 15-year-old son , didn’t look into the empty refrigerator, you have to “share” ... And in Soviet times, the pensioner was full, and the doctor was self-sufficient, and the vegetables were without GMOs!
        2. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 10: 31 New
          +9
          Today, however, there is no shortage of goods, a shortage of conscience and honesty
          1. esaul
            esaul 30 March 2013 10: 39 New
            -1
            Quote: bezumnyiPIT
            Today, however, there is no shortage of goods, a shortage of conscience and honesty

            I greet you... hi I beg you ... Of course, the phrase is beautiful and capacious ... As Raikin said - "The bathtub is deep ..." And many will surely like it. But! Amiable, the presence or absence in the head of conscience and honesty - exclusively (!) - is the prerogative of each person individually. The state or the social system will not teach you decency and will not put it in your head if it is not observed or if there is no desire to have one.
            Sincerely. Esaul. hi
            1. bezumnyiPIT
              bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 11: 02 New
              +4
              No, it’s one thing when you are taught love of the Motherland from school, and it’s quite another when you are educated on the ideals of Western society, namely: selfishness, an easy life, without labor and hardship, like everyone else: stealing, you steal , drink- you drink, don’t think about anything
            2. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 54 New
              +1
              “The state or the social system will not teach you decency and will not put it in your head,” I’ve put it into mine, the teachers in the Soviet school managed this quite well, I won’t forget about my parents either. And the state supported normal human values. It was shameful to steal, prostitution was also considered shameful, and it was not visible.
              And also at the entrance to my house there was never an iron door, an intercom and bars on the windows of the first floors, I also did not remember, the door to the apartment from a fiberboard with a beam was with one frivolous lock.
          2. Aleks28
            Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 43 New
            -1
            Quote: bezumnyiPIT
            deficit in conscience and honesty

            And here, our fault is with you, and not a single GDP is able to change this.
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 56 New
              -1
              "and not a single GDP is able to change this" - what a pop this is and the arrival!
              from below it is all the more not to change, and if you change, then this revolution is called, and this, according to modern concepts, is terraism and extremism.
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 30 March 2013 14: 28 New
                0
                Quote: S_mirnov
                from below it is all the more not to change, and if you change, then this revolution is called, and this, according to modern concepts, is terraism and extremism.

                How much bile is in you, I don’t understand you are all to blame, one you are white and fluffy. And I want to ask you, what exactly did you do during the coup? Warning your question, I will tell you what you did at that time. I sat in the car and listened with a sigh while listening to the radio, while chewing on a doctor’s sandwich while returning home, he watched TV, sighing again. So who should I blame for breaking my usual life? Who is to blame? And the answer to the surface is specifically you, me, etc. Good the position is to sit aside, and then stigmatize everyone. In Moscow they will stir up, and the province sit back and shout what are all bad. Find courage in yourself and say: I am guilty of all my troubles.
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 30 March 2013 16: 43 New
                  0
                  So I don’t take the blame from myself, and what I did was already writing "then I told everyone that I was outside politics and politics didn’t interest me :( Then I realized how much I was mistaken. Well, the thing is the past, the mistakes of youth."
                  Only from the fact that you and I have changed, the situation in the country will not change, even if the majority of the population is against what is now in the Russian Federation, the ruling class will not go aside, but will fight for power. Those. there will be a civil war.
                  An alternative is the election of an honest patriot of their country to the post of president, i.e. peaceful change of power (this was recently when the union collapsed). And then society is rebuilt from above with the help of honest people - patriots.
                  And the change from below is only a revolution, can you see other ways?
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 30 March 2013 18: 39 New
                    0
                    Quote: S_mirnov
                    An alternative is the election of the president as an honest patriot of his country,

                    Golden words, Alexander wink You only indicate worthy and you will be happy ...
                    1. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 20: 16 New
                      +1
                      Do you think there are no honest and smart people in the Russian Federation? They are simply not allowed into the cameras or killed.
                      Here are some candidates:
                      Boris Mironov,
                      Ilyuhin (killed)
                      Budanov (killed)
                      Andrey Parshev,
                      Leo Rokhlin (killed)
                      Yes, even Mikhail Zadornov!
                    2. Aleks28
                      Aleks28 30 March 2013 21: 07 New
                      +1
                      Quote: S_mirnov
                      Yes, even Mikhail Zadornov!

                      Only not this one clown is enough for us (iPhone)
                    3. S_mirnov
                      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 22: 17 New
                      -1
                      Do not insult Zadoronov by comparison with iPhone!
  2. baltika-18
    baltika-18 30 March 2013 11: 11 New
    +6
    Quote: esaul
    THE USSR. If you revive the abbreviation, then under the new social principles.

    Valery, what principles do you mean?
    The principles of the USSR are well known to me, I was born in 1965.
    And what new social principles do you mean I don’t quite understand.
    1. esaul
      esaul 30 March 2013 11: 54 New
      0
      Nicholas hi
      Quote: baltika-18
      and what principles do you mean?

      If you look at what I had in mind in my comment, then the principles are absolutely known - TRUE, not ONLY DECLARED equality, respect for the individual and protection of human life, TRUE rule of law and responsibility to it all, regardless of class, all-round increase in level people's lives, their DECENT education in the spirit of mutual respect and DECENT education.
      Well, that is if you want to hear my ideas, Nikolai.
      Quote: baltika-18
      The principles of the USSR are well known to me, I’m 1965 year of birth

      I’m seven years older than you and I am familiar with the principles of the USSR. But, you (either intentionally, or because of the self-preservation of human memory) have forgotten that all those values ​​declared to us, at a LARGEST (!) Existed only on paper, proclaimed at congresses and this paper was intended for the table of an ordinary citizen. Everything else (more edible and beautiful, as well as highly moral) is for the party leaders, their entourage and fan-shaped scattered around the country, other party trifles.
      I think I was able to answer your questions at least a little, Nikolai.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 30 March 2013 12: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        Nicholas

        Valery hi
        Of course they answered.
        That is, everything that was declared in the USSR, but was not respected to one degree or another.
        And in today's Russia, do you think that everything that is declared is respected?
        1. esaul
          esaul 30 March 2013 18: 57 New
          0
          Quote: baltika-18
          That is, everything that was declared in the USSR, but was not respected to one degree or another.

          Nikolay, you show me my words, where I would say that - "EVERYTHING!" Some provisions were observed, for example - free education, medicine. Not about quality, but about factology, since you asked a question.
          Quote: baltika-18
          And in today's Russia, do you think that everything that is declared is respected?

          The same answer to an almost duplicated question. But, "... this is a completely different story, a country ...!"
          Or we are discussing the merits and demerits of the USSR, or we jump from topic to topic, like Comrade. S_mirnov. That was already interested in the priests ... But I was now interested in the facts of the disease with Ebola fever in the USA. How do you like this topic?
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 30 March 2013 13: 59 New
        +3
        “Everything else (more edible and beautiful, as well as high moral) is for party leaders” - are you talking about Stalin’s boots, or did you see Rolex with Brigits on Brezhnev’s hand? Or Andropov went to meetings in an armored Mercedes?
  3. Gari
    Gari 30 March 2013 12: 39 New
    +5
    Quote: esaul
    And the oligarchs were in the Union - the very guilds (mainly Armenians) and party functionaries who crushed entire industries under themselves. Remember the numerous “Cases” - “The Case of Mostorg”, “The Case of Min. Fisheries”, when all caviar was driven abroad, and money was driven into the pockets of a handful of school nomenclature

    The guilds produced what the state did not produce or produced low-quality shoes, by the way, they sewed cool clothes in no way inferior to western ones, clothes, etc., they just had to be legalized and that’s all, and that’s what happened if the cooperatives didn’t forget, and which officials crushed themselves and which industries, if they were State officials and the industries were also State, they would simply be shot for it
    Yes, they took bribes but knew the measure and had decency, unlike the current ones, how much they will not eat
    Because then there was the State and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the KGB, and these categories may have lived better than others, but they lived under fear
    And what was the fear of a simple hard worker, a civil engineer, such as my father (an Armenian, but not a workshop worker, built factories much more throughout the Union) and, or to a worker from a factory or a collective farmer, the main thing was that everyone was provided with work, housing, for which they paid a penny , once a year they went to relax on union vouchers, relax on the sea or somewhere else, the children went to pioneer camps, and education was free, and what kind of education was from school to university
    I want to go back or forward I do not know how the main thing in the USSR
  4. ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 30 March 2013 13: 30 New
    +3
    In the form that the USSR has been for the last couple of decades, it was a road to nowhere and if it weren’t, then you and I would continue to live in the USSR until now.


    So in order for us to live like "the last couple of decades," Brokeback really tried hard, and Yeltsin, the corrupt skins, EXCELLENTLY fulfilled the task assigned to them. After the collapse of the USSR, 1200 “advisers” from the USA were invited, of which 20 were CIA agents, but I think all 1200 of these “advisers” passed special training, received instructions as quickly as possible, excuse me, praise all sectors in the country. industry, to rob the people to the Thread, take all the bowels of the Earth into their hands, fool, deprive of moral and material values ​​... how many fates have BROKEN ... Everything is clear to everyone, and no one will bring them to account of the traitors and destroyers of the country, but vice versa for example, Humpback was awarded the Order of St. George the First-Called, for what such merits? For treason, the destruction of the state? Humpbacked began, Yeltsin “completed” and both were not in prison, but in “chocolate”, just like their accomplices! Humpbacked, like Berezovsky, now lives in London, in his “true” homeland. "Mavr has done his business, mavr can rest" ...
  • domokl
    domokl 30 March 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    Quote: bezumnyiPIT
    As soon as an authoritative political force capable of succeeding the CPSU appears, let’s see how many days the power of GDP and EdRa will last

    laughing It’s a pity that I don’t have to live beautifully at this time either I or you .. Sorry for the plagiarism .. What kind of power? At least some political spectrum? Communists? Liberals? Right? .. Who is able to offer anything besides criticism now? Putin the movement is probably optimal for today's Russia. Another thing is to clean it thoroughly ... Which is done little by little ..
  • Ribwort
    Ribwort 30 March 2013 15: 59 New
    0
    Quote: fenix57
    where is our willful ruler, report it!

    I don’t see those yet request
  • Egoza
    30 March 2013 07: 45 New
    13
    Phoenix! If you didn’t notice that the discussion site provided an example of errors in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, google the question "Does the USSR exist?" Find a ton of links. hi
    Personally, I am only "FOR"
    1. Corsair
      Corsair 30 March 2013 08: 27 New
      20
      Back? ... No, just forward, up the spiral HISTORY. all together towards rebuilding a renewed Union
      1. avt
        avt 30 March 2013 08: 53 New
        +8
        Quote: Corsair
        Back? ... No, just forward, up the spiral HISTORY. Move all together towards the restoration of the renewed Union

        That's for sure. good Just forward, or in a spiral up! The memory of the USSR is good. But too many people parasitize on it, and first of all ZPR Zyuganov. Call back, doomed to failure in advance, be forever catching up with kettlebells on your feet, instead of comprehending the previous experience, use it as an accelerator.
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 09: 11 New
          +4
          The Communist Party of Zyuganov has been stepping on its own rake for 20 years - constant internal party cleansing, calls for nationalization and an administrative system of economic management, the Communist Party is more like a bunch of clowns, an imitator of the presence of communists in the Duma
      2. Gari
        Gari 30 March 2013 12: 47 New
        +3
        Both Russians, and Belarusians, and Kazakhs, and Georgians, and Armenians came and moved to Ukraine. And Ukrainians in the Far East of Russia were 40%. The villages with the names Nizhnyaya Poltavka, New Stepok or Ukrainian Builovka are the norm today for Russia. In Blagoveshchensk-on-Amur, the main street of the city is ul. Shevchenko T. G., as well as the street on which I was born, in the Donetsk region - Priamurskaya street.
        People were mixed up, but their republican citizenship did not suffer from this. Citizens of all republics enjoyed the same rights in the USSR. But at the same time they remained citizens of these republics, and the republican constitutions protected their citizenship, wherever they were.
        And that was the main thing, I remember that no one asked anyone what nationality you are, if the main thing is that you are not Ga
  • fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 08: 15 New
    15
    Quote: Egoza
    Personally, I am only "FOR"

    Thank you. So, yes, with both hands and only in the USSR, something tired of libero-demo-wild-capitalism. Excuse me from myself: Do not find a beautiful corner on earth,
    Where would the plot be brewed abruptly, denser,
    Than your drunken men are three drunken men,
    Belovezhskaya Pushcha, Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

    The balding Ilyich created for centuries
    We are the Soviet Union leading to communism,
    But you said to the Union “Bye!”
    Belovezhskaya Pushcha, Belovezhskaya Pushcha.

    From that ridiculous time when three assholes
    Destroyed the Union for the sake of the coming
    There is no hope to recreate it again,
    Belovezhskaya Pushcha, Belovezhskaya Pushcha.
    1. Gari
      Gari 30 March 2013 12: 50 New
      +3
      the traitors Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, in a hurry and under the influence of a drink in the Bialowieza Forest, made a number of gross legal errors that make the strong-willed ruler of one of our republics restore the Union.

      Just forgot the main traitor Gorbach-labeled
  • domokl
    domokl 30 March 2013 08: 43 New
    +1
    The author of the lawsuit was not right from the beginning .. The USSR has sunk into oblivion and this is recognized by all countries of the world .. Yes, a lot of yurt blunders are allowed, but ... In order to declare the contract invalid, the COURT DECISION IS REQUIRED ... In the meantime, there is no contract in force...
    In my opinion, it’s clear that the search for another way to somehow return the past, that our life ... But legally, alas ... the business has zero prospects ...
    1. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 30 March 2013 09: 06 New
      +3
      But the problem is solved simply - after the purges in the courts and the elimination of corrupt and unscrupulous judges, the courts will very quickly decide on the USSR!
      We just went to the decision on the wrong side!
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        But the problem is solved simply - after the purges in the courts and the elimination of corrupt and unscrupulous judges, the courts will very quickly decide on the USSR!
        We just went to the decision on the wrong side!

        Fast and Smirnovsky laughing After a court decision ALL15Presidents crawl on their knees to Comrade S_mirnova and will be tearfully begged to take them into S.SSSR fool Comrade S_mirnov, go down to earth. no
      2. domokl
        domokl 30 March 2013 10: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        But the problem is solved simply - after the purges in the courts and the elimination of corrupt and unscrupulous judges, the courts will very quickly decide on the USSR!
        In what way ... In the name of the people or the problem is solved .. who will clean it? And then I wonder why it’s a pity for your blood, and someone else’s can be poured like from a water supply
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 30 March 2013 09: 10 New
      +6
      Quote: domokl
      The author of the lawsuit was not right from the beginning .. The USSR has sunk into oblivion and this is recognized by all countries of the world .. Yes, a lot of yurt blunders are allowed, but ... In order to declare the contract invalid, the court must decide.

      To recognize a contract as invalid, will, strength and desire are needed.
      And the courts do not care. hi
      1. ziqzaq
        ziqzaq 30 March 2013 09: 48 New
        +1
        Quote: baltika-18
        To recognize a contract as invalid, will, strength and desire are needed.
        And the courts do not care.

        Hello everyone!!!
        baltika-18 You are as laconic as always, and as always essentially .....
        Not for nothing they say that brevity is the sister of talent, but we will remember - the Devil is in the details ....
      2. Garrin
        Garrin 30 March 2013 16: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18

        To recognize a contract as invalid, will, strength and desire are needed.

        "There is Will, there is Strength, but Willpower is not." (from)
        Yes, they put all our strength and will with the device. Who has the loot, he is right, and they looted the loot initially. Unfortunately, the game is without rules.
    3. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 09: 15 New
      +1
      It will be necessary, we will conduct a trial, it’s good it’s clear who will be put in the dock: Shushkevich and Kravchuk are still alive
      1. Aleks28
        Aleks28 30 March 2013 09: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        It will be necessary, we will conduct a trial, it’s good it’s clear who will be put in the dock: Shushkevich and Kravchuk are still alive

        How simple it is for you, to plant, condemn and the USSR. Do not forget that our former republics are now independent, and each has a specific prince, and they will do everything possible to prevent this from happening. A good example of the Russia-Belarus union state. advanced?
      2. Aleks28
        Aleks28 30 March 2013 09: 25 New
        0
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        It will be necessary, we will conduct the trial

        So it has long been necessary, but they don’t even spend it. request
        1. bezumnyiPIT
          bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 10: 38 New
          -2
          And now the people are not ready, there is no fierce hatred of the "democrats" so far.
          1. Aleks28
            Aleks28 30 March 2013 10: 56 New
            -4
            Quote: bezumnyiPIT
            And now the people are not ready, there is no fierce hatred of the "democrats" so far.

            Yeah, it means giving the revolution again, enough revolutions
            1. bezumnyiPIT
              bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 13: 17 New
              -2
              You do not need revolutions, you need the Great Official Oligarchic Bureaucratic Russia
              1. Aleks28
                Aleks28 30 March 2013 16: 56 New
                0
                Quote: bezumnyiPIT
                You do not need revolutions, you need the Great Official Oligarchic Bureaucratic Russia

                Give an example when Russia was not
                Quote: bezumnyiPIT
                Official Oligarchic Bureaucratic
      3. ia-ai00
        ia-ai00 30 March 2013 18: 47 New
        0
        "Fucked - in this three - FIRST!
    4. Garrin
      Garrin 30 March 2013 09: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: domokl
      COURT DECISION NEEDED ...

      AND JUDGES WHO ???????????????????
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 30 March 2013 08: 44 New
    +3
    Quote "Here at one of these meetings, I contacted latvians.The same befell them, only to them the ending was added to their names - the letter "c"! "
    With Lithuanians, Latvians do not add “c”. And yet, not a married woman - the ending of the surname is “s”, the married ending is replaced by “ene”.
    The traitors Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kravchuk, in a hurry and under the influence of a drink in the Bialowieza Forest, made a number of gross legal errors that make the strong-willed ruler of one of our republics restore the Union. Yes, they could not prepare the documents themselves !!! As always, the nameless heroes left a loophole, which, if there is a will, will allow to revive the Union. And it was not in vain that Russia took all the debts upon itself.
  • Tartary
    Tartary 30 March 2013 08: 47 New
    +3
    Troublesome history, restore historical justice through the current courts of the CIS, and through the courts of Europe. It will be long and dreary ...
    Rather, wait for Ukraine and the rest in the EurAsEC. IMHO

    Moreover, other countries that were not members of the USSR, and we may not see some, may end up in the new alliance.
  • sashka
    sashka 30 March 2013 08: 54 New
    +1
    Worse than catching up and redoing .. I need some more "cardinal" way .. But in our time it will be "inhumane" ..
  • Igarr
    Igarr 30 March 2013 09: 13 New
    +9
    Good to all!
    As a legal incident, this is all, of course, interesting.
    But practically - not our way.
    "A path, paved with yellow brick, to the country of OZ." And around - lawyers, lawyers, lawyers. And not a single Lumberjack.
    .
    Union will be. Within the same borders, and even wider than the USSR.
    But it will be-not the USSR.
    Forward. To the Union.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 10: 02 New
    0
    Quote: esaul
    It’s strange that you still haven’t seen that leader in Putin,

    Under the rule, Valery.
    Quote: fenix57
    where is our willful ruler, report it!
    - this quote, as I intended, does not mean a search as such, namely an appeal to PUTIN. Well, if only: where is our Putin, report to him! hi
    1. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 30 March 2013 10: 48 New
      -3
      Putin (WILL OF THE GOVERNOR) cannot get off the needle of the oil and gas, not to him alliances
  • fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 10: 08 New
    0
    Quote: esaul
    If you revive the abbreviation, then under the new social principles.

    , So after all, "do not enter the same river twice." In any case, you need to take positive. hi
  • DDR
    DDR 30 March 2013 10: 09 New
    +3
    I think the USSR will rejoice only if something very serious happens in the world. In the meantime, as mentioned above, "local princes" will not want to give a piece of the pie called Power
  • zao74
    zao74 30 March 2013 10: 11 New
    +2
    Oh, my heart was pinched ...
    Let's go back to the USSR.
  • Fregate
    Fregate 30 March 2013 10: 35 New
    +1
    USSR, like the mafia - is immortal laughing
  • not good
    not good 30 March 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    Before collecting the USSR back, Russia needs to practice, through an international court, to return the Crimea and Odessa region. There, not even by law, but by the lawless will of Khrushchev, historically Russian lands simply gave Ukraine. And after the Crimea, you can find a lot of things. Yanukovych doesn’t want to be in the TS, do not, first, sue Crimea and Odessa, they will immediately sing differently.
    1. Egoza
      30 March 2013 11: 12 New
      +3
      Quote: Negoro
      first sue Crimea and Odessa,

      And why only Crimea and Odessa ?? !!!! belay Kiev is the mother of Russian cities !!!! Grab Kiev! fellow
    2. morpex
      morpex 30 March 2013 21: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Negoro
      Russia needs to practice, through an international court, to return Crimea and Odessa region

      Why, Andrey! And Kemsku parish? Forgot what?
      1. not good
        not good 31 March 2013 15: 40 New
        0
        But Kiev Khrushchev did not give to anyone !!! And let the Swedes sue Kemsku parish!
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 30 March 2013 11: 05 New
    0
    A little more and no one would want in the USSR .... It is a pity that the current generation is already plain and can not imagine what the USSR is. And what can we say about "grateful" descendants - and they don’t need it. Always at all times people have been controlled by such vices as greed, greed, avarice, meanness, etc. And they haven’t gone anywhere in the whole evolution of man. And such concepts as universal brotherhood and justice, which was the basis of the statehood of the USSR, became a utopia, unfortunately. See for yourself - what has become of our advanced compatriots (not all of course), who even lived in the USSR at one time and received free education? Where are they? In England, America, Israel, etc. They do not need Russia, the motherland is where the ass is warm! It’s just that at one time in the USSR they didn’t have to be forcibly kept - let them wander wherever they wanted, if only they wouldn’t spoil the air here and people would not be fooled by their stupid crap democracy.
  • stranik72
    stranik72 30 March 2013 11: 16 New
    +3
    Under the USSR, only the top authorities (district and regional committees did not enter here) felt free and often with impunity. Under the current regime, all officials from the smallest employee in the state office, and the secretaries of the municipality of 100 yards feel like this .. Plus, they’ll be able to live the rest of the crooks at someone else’s expense and have received this right under the “roof” of the state. With almost the same method of coming to power of the Communists and the current bourgeoisie, the former created a huge powerful socially oriented state at the cost of many victims, the latter destroyed and plundered it. The issue price of the victim, only in large quantities. Who now considers them, but all the liberals like to remember the "bloody" gebnya and Stalin. Society was divided into rich and poor. The message from the authorities for some is "enrich yourself as you want," for others - "survive as you can." Yes, I admit, large cities are rapidly developing, where finance and crooks are concentrated. Complete desolation, poverty and devastation in the province, in the outback. This clearly shows that this power is for swindlers, the power of money. Those who work, and not “make money,” having lost all social benefits, have received many times increased material load. With incomes comparable with those that were under the USSR, those who create a real runway in the country have to pay many times more and become rich and healthy in any way. The union was considered a closed country. And now? Who saw the beaches in the Canaries filled with our teachers or engineers from the military industrial complex, or maybe there milkmaids show their charms? It became unprofitable for them to move around their country. “The whole cap. the economy is built so that one group of people lives at the expense of another ”(c). I am for the USSR.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 30 March 2013 19: 10 New
      +1
      And in the days of the USSR, engineers with higher and secondary technical education went on trips to Poland, and Hungary, and the Czech Republic, and Bulgaria, and France. I’m not saying that almost all employees went to families on the Black Sea or Issyk-Kul every year, in short, they practically didn’t sit at home during their holidays, and now the same engineers and engineers have the opportunity to go somewhere with their families every year relax? And by the way, during the USSR, even into the mountains, even into the forest, even into the river, wherever you want, go there and now, wherever you go: into the mountains - solid barriers - someone's private property, into the river, into the forest - the same thing, even under the King this was not. Now, not only the bowels of the Earth do not belong to the people, but also nature, allХVATIZED!
    2. morpex
      morpex 31 March 2013 00: 54 New
      +1
      Quote: stranik72
      I am for the USSR.

      In Soviet society, along with sharply negative things were also very positive. The most important thing, then it was not a hollow sound for truly comradely relations, mutual assistance, WHEN EVERYTHING WAS NOT MEASURED BY MONEY! Thanks to the USSR, I developed a self-sufficient "thingism." For example, today I am a more or less wealthy person, but I can safely ride in a simple domestic car, use the most necessary things without chasing “brands”, although I can afford it ... In short, we who are born and in the USSR do not have that pathos inherent in the current generation. It’s all because we were brought up with the feeling that you are a MAN, and not a bag full of money. For me even now you don’t care whether you are an oligarch or a homeless person. For me it is more important who you are - a person or a beast in the guise of a person ..
  • fenix57
    fenix57 30 March 2013 11: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: bezumnyiPIT
    Putin (WILL OF THE GOVERNOR) cannot get off the needle of the oil and gas, not to him alliances

    Again, Putin is bad again. You are an idealist, well, there are no ideal people in everything and for ALL ordinary people, moreover, politicians of this rank.., There is an expression: "you will not be good for everyone" - in my opinion, to the place. Once again I ask: name the political figure the UNIFORMAL PUTIN. At least one. Who can you really "offer"? And believe me, I am not an ardent admirer of the Russian president, but there are no equal to him at this historical moment. Of course, this is purely my opinion, an ordinary man in the street. REPORT FINISHED. drinks
    1. not good
      not good 31 March 2013 15: 57 New
      +1
      When Gorbachev was elected the first president of the USSR, from a high rostrum, some deputy was broadcasting the same that there were NO peers at this historical moment, as it turned out later no one wanted to be extreme. When the election system is imprisoned without any responsibility to the voters, at the “historical moment” the helm will always be at the helm. But as soon as the deputies, according to the law, start reporting to the voters and honestly start the electoral system, there will be more than one talented and honest leader.Although three presidential terms is also a talent.
  • matross
    matross 30 March 2013 11: 30 New
    +8
    Everyone, or almost everyone who lived in the USSR, recall those days with nostalgia. In addition, m. the last period - peer adjustment, when coupons, lines, cooperatives began, thanks to tagged Misha. Pride in the country and a sense of ownership are worth something. But! Either the empire will be reborn in the coming 5-10 years, or that's it, for the Pepsi generation it’s an empty phrase, the brains are washed clean, the convolutions are straightened. Generational link is very weak
  • patriot2
    patriot2 30 March 2013 12: 06 New
    +3
    I am for the USSR-2 and I liked the article and coincides with my desire.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 30 March 2013 12: 24 New
    +2
    I recalled here that during the Popular Front, no one campaigned strongly for secession from the USSR, even the most ardent Natsyks demanded economic autonomy (judging by the BAZAR in the economy, it is quite logical that many thought that they were the smartest) and emphasized THIS, well, and then as we remember the FINGER-ELBOW principle went, I may be wrong ... but it seems to me at that very moment that the leadership lost control.
  • VenDora
    VenDora 30 March 2013 12: 54 New
    +1
    The empire will revive when Russia has two hands, as Peter 1 said. And now there is neither left nor right ...
  • Moccal
    Moccal 30 March 2013 13: 26 New
    +5
    The homeland of the inhabitants of the South and East of Ukraine is Novorossia.
    The same New Russia that the Bolsheviks destroyed by including it in the Ukrainian SSR.
  • Moccal
    Moccal 30 March 2013 13: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    Quote: Negoro
    first sue Crimea and Odessa,

    And why only Crimea and Odessa ?? !!!! belay Kiev is the mother of Russian cities !!!! Grab Kiev! fellow

    Kiev ceased to be the center of Russian lands after the death of Dolgoruky.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 31 March 2013 04: 15 New
    +1
    All of course hurt yourself. But without a solid ideological study, nobody cares. Here is an example. Do we need Ukraine? Yes, probably. And its western part, Golitsiya? Yes fuck. But alas ... Here either deliberately ruin the state, or get hold of another "Polish Chechnya." Maybe that's why the Russian Federation is in no hurry to help Ukraine, waiting for its regular partition.