Boyars against the Tsar

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Boyars against the Tsar
Photograph of Nicholas Romanov taken after his abdication in 1917 in Tsarskoe Selo


The critical situation of the German bloc


The Quadruple Alliance (Germany, Austria-Hungary, Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire) was on the verge of collapse and defeat. Turkey's Caucasian front had been routed in the brilliant campaign of 1916. The Ottomans could not stop the Russian troops. Russia was preparing an operation to seize the Bosphorus and Constantinople, an invasion of Anatolia. The Turkish Empire was doomed.



Austria-Hungary was also defeated and completely exhausted, holding the front only thanks to German divisions. On November 21, 1916, the Austrian Emperor Franz Joseph died. The crown was received by Archduke Karl. Emperor Karl personally assumed command of the troops, received the support of the Chief of the General Staff and the actual leader of the Eastern (Russian) Front, Conrad von Hötzendorf, who believed that military defeat was inevitable and had to be accepted at any cost.

Vienna offered Berlin to start negotiations, the Kaiser refused. They tried to persuade Austria-Hungary to continue the war, they promised part of Romania, regions of Italy and Russia. Then the Austrians began secret separate negotiations with the French. However, Italy insisted on the transfer of Austrian territories, so the negotiations dragged on.

The German leadership understood that the situation was a dead end, if not critical. There were no resources for an offensive during the 1917 campaign. No major offensives were planned on any front, only defense. Reserves were sought. In the rear, construction of a powerful "Siegfried Line" (or "Hindenburg Line") was launched in order to shorten the Western Front, to consolidate it, and to free up some troops for reserves. They were planning to attack only at sea - to begin an unlimited submarine war.

The Germans already knew that the USA would enter the war in 1917, so submarine warfare could be waged without restrictions. They also knew that the Americans did not have a large and strong land army. They had only just begun to form one. During 1917, there was no need to fear the Americans. The USA had profited well during the world war: from a debtor they had become a global creditor, they had seized new positions in world trade, and they had intervened in Haiti, the Dominican Republic, Nicaragua, and Cuba under cover of the noise. Now they were going to enter the European slaughter with fresh forces and take the leading place in the camp of the victors.

President Wilson went to the elections with the slogan "Wilson kept America out of war". It was a trick, the invasion army was already being created. In November, he won the elections, was re-elected for a second term. After that, all restrictions were lifted, preparations for war were in full swing and openly.

Start of the 1917 campaign of the year


The French commander-in-chief, Joffre, planned to fight in the old style: a series of offensives to grind down the enemy army. But this strategy with mountains of corpses was already boring for everyone. Both the French military and the authorities, as well as the British, spoke out against it. The plan was rejected. Joffre was offended and resigned. The new commander-in-chief, Nivelle, the "hero of Verdun", proposed to defeat the Germans in one general battle. Attack in a secondary sector, distract the enemy and his reserves, and then break through the front with a surprise blow and bring three armies into the breach at once.

The operation was scheduled for February 1917. Once again, a powerful force was prepared artillery fist, conducted reconnaissance, and carried out the corresponding engineering work. However, in January, the Germans themselves began to attack, now in one place, now in another. The Germans camouflaged their retreat in this way. While the fighting was going on, they withdrew the rear and second echelons to the "Siegfried Line". In early February, unexpectedly for the allies, the Germans began to withdraw the rest of the troops to the rear. The allied offensive that was being prepared was thwarted. It was necessary to occupy and equip the territory abandoned by the enemy. Then they had to prepare for the offensive again, prepare artillery positions, bring up railway lines (supply), carry out engineering preparations, etc.

At sea, the Germans began unrestricted submarine warfare in February. The US received an excellent pretext and immediately broke off diplomatic relations. London was in a difficult situation, dozens of ships were going to the bottom, and the islands' supplies were disrupted.

The situation on the Russian front was stable. The Russian army rectified the situation on the Romanian sector, and in January 1917, the enemy was routed in a counter-battle. In January, the Russian army had a partial success in the Riga direction. The Germans were alarmed, gathered reserves, and counterattacked, trying to regain their previous positions. The German attacks were repelled, and by early February the fighting had died down. In the end, our troops did not reach Mitava, but they showed that they could unexpectedly break through the enemy's defenses.

The Turkish command, in horror, after the terrible defeats of 1916, awaited a new Russian offensive. They gathered everything they could on the Caucasian front, more than half of their army, weakening other fronts. The British took advantage of this, launched a successful offensive in Iraq and captured Baghdad.

The beginning of the campaign was successful for Russia as well. In Persia, Baratov's Cossacks routed the enemy, captured Hamadan on February 25, then Kermanshah. The troops of the talented general developed the offensive and established contact with the British. Turkey lost most of Iraq. In Western Iran, Chernozubov's 7th Caucasian Corps advanced. And de Witt's 4th Caucasian Corps attacked at Musa and Bitlis.

Russian fleet under the command of Admiral Kolchak dominated the sea. The Turkish fleet was blocked in the straits. It destroyed enemy sea communications, disrupting the supply of coal and other goods. Without coal, the railway traffic and the work of the military industry collapsed. The Russians were preparing a landing on the Bosphorus.

It is obvious that for Petrograd, which was dealing with such allies in the Entente, who themselves were preparing a revolution in the Russian Empire (How the "fifth column" brought down the Russian empire), a separate peace with Germany and Austria-Hungary would have been the best solution. Russia had no fundamental contradictions with the German world. Moreover, the Russian and German civilizations were natural allies. All the benefits from the clash between the Russians and the Germans went to Paris, London and Washington. That is why the British secret services eliminated Rasputin, who was against the war with Germany.

Unfortunately, Emperor Nicholas II remained noble even with dishonest partners. Russia did not take any steps toward a separate peace with Germany, although such rumors were spread, in particular about the "betrayal of the empress."

Boyars against the Tsar


In Germany, to achieve a favorable peace (they were no longer thinking about victory), it was necessary to turn off one of the fronts. A war on two fronts led to defeat. Therefore, the Germans tried with all their might to organize a revolution in Russia. The Kaiser and the German generals thought that they were using Russian revolutionaries for their own purposes. They would have been very surprised that there was a second and triple bottom to this game against Russia.

Thus, France, England and the USA – formal allies of Petrograd – played along with Germany in the game against Russia. The governments of the USA and England, their special services and the banking houses associated with them (financial capital – financial international) coordinated and regulated the process of preparing the revolution.

Russian liberal democrats, Westerners like Rodzianko, believed that the West was helping them for the good purposes of “the triumph of democracy and freedom,” to overthrow “damned tsarism,” so that a renewed Russia could “join the family of civilized nations” and become even richer. In reality, In London and the USA they were already preparing a second revolution, a socialist one. Detachments of internationalist revolutionaries, Trotskyists, were supposed to overthrow the "bourgeois-democratic" government and begin a global Marxist-Trotskyist experiment. A world revolution. Not only Russia, but also Germany, Austria-Hungary, and most of Europe were supposed to burn in its fire. What the German generals didn't know.

Almost all of the social elite worked against the Russian Empire. The noble, educated and wealthy classes. The industrial-financial, military, administrative and partly political elite. Many of them were members of Masonic lodges, subordinate to their senior "brothers" from Western lodge clubs.

The tsar was opposed by the hierarchs of the Church and the grand dukes, generals and ministers, a significant part of the State Duma and the leaders of the parties of that time. In particular, the Freemason, Finance Minister Pyotr Bark (1914–1917), who for some reason was not affected by the ministerial reshuffle (he was nicknamed “the unsinkable Bark”), worked against the tsar’s throne. He acted hand in hand with Western financiers, concluded deals that were extremely profitable for the Entente powers, and covered up Russian commercial banks that they wanted to check for ownership of capital. The Minister of Internal Affairs Khvostov and the head of the government Stürmer tried to overthrow him, but without success.

After the revolution, Bark quietly moved to Europe, settled in well, held senior positions in the Anglo-Austrian, Anglo-Czechoslovak, Croatian, British and Hungarian banks, and in the Bank of Central European Countries, all established under the auspices of the Bank of England. He represented the director of the Bank of England in the financial structures of the USA. He managed the financial and property affairs of the emigrated members of the Russian imperial house, was knighted by the King of England and received British citizenship.

Another "shady figure", as has already been noted, is the Minister of Internal Affairs Protopopov. He seemed to be a defender of the autocracy, newspapers and members of the State Duma threw mud at him, but the powerful police apparatus "slept through" the revolution under him. The Tsar was openly lied to, cheerful reports were brought in in the style of "everything is fine, beautiful marquise."

Westerners also dreamed of making Russia Europe, in essence, they wanted to complete the creation of a matrix of a Western-type society in Russia. With democracy, real power of parliament, a market. To destroy the autocracy, which, as they believed, was holding back Russia's development.

Russian Westernizers, liberal democrats, believed that it was enough to overthrow the tsar, establish a constitutional monarchy or republic, and everything would be fine in Russia, like in nice and civilized Western Europe.

That is why the monarchists in the armies of Denikin and Kolchak were underground, they were pursued by the White Guard counterintelligence. The White project was a pro-Western, liberal-bourgeois project. It was not going to restore the monarchy. Only a Western-type republic, a bourgeois society, capitalism. The power of bankers and capitalists.

Therefore, it was a terrible shock for them when the West did not help them. Moreover, when Western authorities and special services began to partially cooperate with the Bolsheviks. They supported both the Whites and the Reds and the nationalists, so that the carnage of the fratricidal war would bury Russia forever.


Pyotr Bark, the last Minister of Finance of the Russian Empire

Elite vs. Old Russia


That is why they did not wait for Tsarist Russia to win the war, when there were six months to a year left until victory. The State Duma and all the front commanders unanimously began to demand that the Tsar abdicate the throne. They sought to establish Western-style power in Russia and become the victors in the war with the German bloc.

Winston Churchill, the future British Secretary of State for War, noted:

“The outlook was encouraging. The Allies had a five to two advantage, the factories of the world were turning out armaments for them, ammunition was being sent to them from all sides, from across the seas and oceans. Russia, with her bottomless manpower, was properly equipped for the first time since the outbreak of hostilities. The double-width railway to the ice-free port of Murmansk was at last completed... Russia was for the first time in reliable contact with her Allies. Nearly 200 new battalions had been added to her forces, and vast quantities of shells of all kinds lay in the depots. There was no military reason why 1917 should not bring final victory to the Allies, it should give Russia the reward for which she had been in endless agony. But suddenly there was silence. The Great Power with which we had been in such close partnership, without which all plans were meaningless, was suddenly struck dumb.”

The various forces cut off from the supreme political power, including industrial-financial and commercial capital, the aristocracy and grand dukes, the church and the generals, leading political and social movements, the intelligentsia, which was entirely pro-Western and hated the "prison of nations", wanted to destroy the autocracy, seize all power and direct the development of Russia along the Western bourgeois-capitalist path. The Russian elite was oriented towards France and Britain.

However, instead of a triumphant victory, the Februaryist revolutionaries, the boyars of that time, having overthrown the tsar, opened Pandora's box and caused a design, civilizational and state catastrophe for Russia.
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  1. +6
    7 March 2025 04: 03
    The Russian Empire collapsed in the same way as the Turkish, German and Austro-Hungarian empires... So it was natural.

    The only difference was that they all followed the path of capitalism, while Russia in February 1917 followed the path of creating "an atypical state-machine for plundering the resources of a territory" (which was repeated in 1991.)

    In this connection, it is necessary to mention one of the most important events of December 1917 - the convocation of the conference of the Entente countries in Paris. At which Russia was divided into "zones of responsibility" and financing was opened for all forces opposing the Bolshevik government. Then the picture will be complete and clear.
    1. +7
      7 March 2025 04: 38
      Quote: sidorov
      Russia in February 1917 - on the path to creating "an atypical state-machine for plundering the resources of the territory"

      The Bolsheviks stopped this in October 17.
      1. +7
        7 March 2025 05: 27
        Thus, Vladimir Vladimirovich hi
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        ......The Bolsheviks stopped this in October 17.
        The Provisional Government was illegal, which is not remembered now. It is interesting that the Church congratulated the Provisional Government at that time.
        1. +4
          7 March 2025 05: 36
          Quote: Reptiloid
          The Church then congratulated the temporary

          So she herself was for the overthrow of the tsar...
          1. +3
            7 March 2025 05: 40
            But now it's completely the opposite, and the Temporary have been forgotten. There are many interesting facts in this article. Good.
            PS. wink I wrote you a private message
        2. P
          +1
          10 March 2025 02: 46
          any power is illegal according to the laws of the previous one. That is why anyone who mentions the law in the context of the struggle of interest groups is a slightly naive person who is not involved. And so, yes, the Februaryists (the ideological ancestors of the Russian leadership) are some real mugs
          1. 0
            10 March 2025 11: 39
            Quote: Pandemic
            ..... the Februaryists (the ideological ancestors of the Russian leadership) are some real mugs

            This is what is so amazing about the appearance, development, and universal popular support of the Bolshevik Party! In the midst of all this ---- the weakness of will and cowardice of the Tsar, the venality of the Provisionals, the spies-instigators-saboteurs.... this appeared
            There is such a party!
      2. +13
        7 March 2025 07: 37
        In general, Vladimir Vladimirovich, now in various articles and programs there is an idea about how everything was good in the Russian Empire, but the Bolsheviks, an exclusively Western project for the sake of unrest in the wonderful patriarchal Russian Empire. How they absolutely destroyed everything good. That is, the rewriting of history in a new way continues, so that then a smooth transition to the "holy 90s" can be made.
        1. +9
          7 March 2025 08: 26
          Quote: Reptiloid
          the rewriting of history in a new way continues

          I see. Even here on VO...An anti-Soviet is essentially a Russophobe!
        2. +7
          7 March 2025 08: 35
          Quote: Reptiloid
          now in various articles and programs the idea is that everything was good in the Russian Empire

          Crust bakers... belay
          1. +7
            7 March 2025 08: 40
            The worst thing is that there are children's books about this with beautiful pictures. How well and smartly and decently the different classes dressed, for example. How the capitalists took care of the workers, there are also
            1. +8
              7 March 2025 08: 51
              Quote: Reptiloid
              How capitalists cared for workers

              The slave owner also takes care of his slaves.... He feeds, clothes, treats them so that the slave works until death....
              1. +9
                7 March 2025 10: 14
                The slave owner may have cared. But not the capitalists at the beginning of the 20th century. In St. Petersburg, all the past is visible. But ---- they make up how good it was.
                1. +2
                  9 March 2025 10: 50
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  But ---- they make up how good it was.

                  So they imagine themselves to be a new "aristocracy", and call themselves nothing but masters. And what do the "masters" care about the serfs, they brought in the Wahhabis so that the Russians wouldn't bother them. And they insist on multinationality/multi-confessionalism. But when it comes to war, the only hope is in the natives, the Wahhabis don't fight, they do it to plunder and take over. They guarantee the Kiev gang immunity, but the Russian men on both front lines have been killing each other for four years. But Stalin is to blame for everything... And Lenin in galoshes.
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2025 11: 06
                    "aristocracy" they imagined themselves to be

                    Many Russian passionaries were destroyed
                    Wahhabis were brought in

                    who are being squeezed out of the SA. And "business" is "asking" for even more.
                    1. +2
                      9 March 2025 11: 18
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      And "business" "asks" for even more.

                      Business will ask for whatever London orders - their discipline is chivalrous and strict.
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Many Russian passionaries were destroyed

                      Yes, that's a lot.
                      And now it's the fourth year at a rapid pace. And they could have dealt with the entire territory by the end of summer in 2022. If they had prepared a group of at least 300-400 thousand. But it's much more interesting to play "stupid" and "deceived" - look how many Russians they mowed down on both sides of the front, probably over 1,5 million irrevocable. But the Kiev gang is guaranteed immunity. They can't, they are of different blood. Not blue, but purple.
                      1. +1
                        9 March 2025 11: 25
                        fourth year

                        Donbass ---- since 2014, Syria ---- since 2015.
                      2. +1
                        9 March 2025 11: 41
                        Yes, I am from Donetsk, I have been here since 2014.
                        The government needs to change. In accordance with the times, laws and demands of the Society. Otherwise, they will call trouble again. And Russia is unlikely to survive a new social upheaval - the margin of safety for such upheavals is exhausted. It has been exhausted by this government. So we need a "Revolution from Above", like what is happening in the USA right now. And not a social one, but a National Liberation Revolution, which Trump directly said in his speech in Congress - that the goal of his team is "gaining full sovereignty". And the issue is not at all in the ownership of the means of production, but in the psychology of power. If Ilyin is an idol and "teacher" in power ... it is a disaster. Such an ideology previously destroyed both the Russian Empire and the Februaryists. And it is destroying the Russian Federation now. Because it is unnatural for Society.
                        We need an Ideology of a Solidarity Society of the Human Type.
                        Precisely Solidarity. And not broken into atoms of "ideal consumers". Then there will be Success, Development, aspiration to a Bright Future and Victory.
                        And "as under Nicholas II" the Russian Empire only lost. Even when "it could not help but win".
          2. +5
            7 March 2025 18: 24
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Crust bakers...

            People are slow to realize that the ideology of the Bulkokhrusts is fascism. Strictly according to Ilyin, a class society, money and power by birthright. The Bulkokhrusts tactfully keep silent about the fact that they will need cattle for service and work.
            1. 0
              8 March 2025 11: 01
              Fascism is not about class society. Everyone is equal before the Duce/Fuhrer. I am not defending fascism.
              1. +1
                8 March 2025 14: 02
                Quote: YAHU
                Fascism is not about class society.

                Of course, it's about class. The basic principle - "people are born equal!" is categorically rejected by fascism.
                1. 0
                  8 March 2025 18: 16
                  So this is about ethnic groups, races, not classes. Neither Mussolini nor Hitler were blue bloods.
                  1. +2
                    8 March 2025 20: 16
                    Quote: YAHU
                    Neither Mussolini nor Hitler were blue bloods.

                    Hitler has national socialism in general. He declares the entire nation to be blue blood. Ilyin is more primitive, he puts pressure on tradition.
                    1. 0
                      8 March 2025 20: 51
                      Well, not everyone considers Ilyin to be the main ideologist of fascism.
                      1. +2
                        9 March 2025 10: 56
                        Quote: YAHU
                        Well, not everyone considers Ilyin to be the main ideologist of fascism.

                        But it was Ilyin himself who considered himself a FASCIST and was proud of this title. Moreover, he was the main ideologist of "Russian fascism" - its name, long before Hitler. It's just that Ilyin's fascism has ... "Russian specificity" - class-based. And VERY strictly class-based. For him, the People are cattle (cattle), and only the "gentlemen" are "people" and real fascists.
                        It is not surprising that the Russian authorities are so close and charmed by Ilyin. "Favorite philosopher" ...
        3. +6
          7 March 2025 10: 06
          So they are trying with all their might to bring the standard of living in the Russian Empire of 1913 closer. With hard labor, eternal malnutrition, old age at 40, children who work from the age of 5, etc. They simply cannot implement this at once, even the most infantile person will rear up, but little by little. And this is a global trend. In addition, on the eve of the coming world slaughter, "cannon fodder" is needed, and preferably immediately and in large quantities, the unemployed and the indebted are the best suited for this at the initial stage of the slaughter. After all, everyone knows that unemployment in the Russian Federation has sharply decreased since February 2022.
          1. +7
            7 March 2025 10: 19
            Quote: AKuzenka
            So they are doing everything they can to bring the standard of living in the Russian Empire closer to that of 1913.
            1. +5
              7 March 2025 11: 18
              This is where it's all going, Vladimir Vladimirovich! Minimalism is being promoted so that people are content with the bare minimum. And this is where it's all going, 10-meter apartments are already being promoted. And food is kept to a minimum. request At the same time, all these minimums do not affect those at the top. This very elite wants to live to the maximum
        4. man
          +5
          7 March 2025 10: 59
          Quote: Reptiloid
          In general, Vladimir Vladimirovich, now in various articles and programs there is an idea about how everything was good in the Russian Empire, but the Bolsheviks, an exclusively Western project for the sake of unrest in the wonderful patriarchal Russian Empire. How they absolutely destroyed everything good. That is, the rewriting of history in a new way continues, so that then a smooth transition to the "holy 90s" can be made.

          And the propagandists changed their rhetoric and quickly stopped recalling the power of the USSR... sad Ungrateful!
          1. +6
            7 March 2025 11: 23
            Quote: mann
            ....... And the propagandists changed their rhetoric, quickly stopped recalling the power of the USSR... sad Ungrateful!

            Why should they remember this? Comparisons of achievements at a similar time will definitely be in favor of the USSR
            1. man
              +3
              7 March 2025 13: 06
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Quote: mann
              ....... And the propagandists changed their rhetoric, quickly stopped recalling the power of the USSR... sad Ungrateful!

              Why should they remember this? Comparisons of achievements at a similar time will definitely be in favor of the USSR

              Well, before Trump came, they remembered... they even praised Stalin on TV... I couldn't believe my ears... Now it's clear why they dared to open an alcoholic center in Moscow...
              1. +2
                7 March 2025 13: 18
                Honestly, I didn't understand you that you were talking about a short period of time. But then I assume ---- liberalism got distracted by the changes of today request
                That's what they sometimes say about Stalin. And they will. After all, it's March.
                1. man
                  +4
                  7 March 2025 13: 22
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  Honestly, I didn't understand you that you were talking about a short period of time. But then I assume ---- I got distracted by the changes of today request
                  That's what they sometimes say about Stalin. And they will. After all, it's March.

                  Is it really positive? Then I missed...
                  And they've definitely shut up about the "social" state!
                  1. +4
                    7 March 2025 17: 07
                    I. V. Stalin

                    "And in his song, and in his song,
                    As pure as sunlight,
                    Great truth sounded
                    "A sublime dream."

                    And this beautiful song
                    He embodied it in our country
                    And together with the Great People
                    The Soviet Union created it!

                    And into Space, and into the countries of the world ---
                    This song has come to everyone!
                    She changed the PLANET,
                    May life bloom on it forever.

                    This is my poem. I wrote it about 5 years ago. I don't think I published it here.
                  2. 0
                    9 March 2025 11: 09
                    Quote: mann
                    And they've definitely shut up about the "social" state!

                    This was temporary rhetoric to lull society, like we'll make social protection even better than under Socialism... here are your pensions, accumulative in NON-STATE pension funds. And a few years later, the crooks with the collected pension savings of citizens left for London... and the main ventriloquist of the "social state" has no complaints about these thieves and crooks.
                    They said, "We are building a state like under Nicholas II," and so they built it. Now we have to shed a tear about the Tsar... and about the Februaryist boyars deceived by the Entente.
        5. +4
          7 March 2025 16: 40
          Quote: Reptiloid
          Now in various articles and programs there is an idea about how good everything was in the Russian Empire, but the Bolsheviks, an exclusively Western project for the sake of unrest in the wonderful patriarchal Russian Empire. How they absolutely destroyed everything good.

          I recently read that literacy under the Tsar reached 93%, but the Bolsheviks destroyed the education system.
          The generation familiar with the class character of society's development from school has not yet passed away, but articles and programs are full of discussions about "deep" governments and conspiracies. Quite convincing for young people.
          The concealment and manipulation, or rather lies, about the USSR are very indicative.
          By the way, the next anniversary of Stalin's death passed unnoticed in the media, including in "VO". Just two days ago. Only Simonyan linked it with Prokofiev's funeral, naturally in a negative style.
          1. +1
            7 March 2025 16: 50
            Greetings, Mammoth. hi I need to look online about the Stalin readings. But I saw online literally the other day about the opening of the monument, but I was in transport and didn't open the news.
            Yes, regarding education ---- that's a lot, of course. After all, education was different ----- secondary-special ---- schools, technical schools, higher, ---- institutes, academies.... And military schools.
            1. +1
              7 March 2025 17: 29
              Hi!
              Quote: Reptiloid
              Yes, regarding education ---- that's a lot, of course. After all, education was different ----- secondary-special ---- schools, technical schools, higher, ---- institutes, academies.... And military schools.

              And church parishes. Under the Tsar. wink
              1. 0
                7 March 2025 17: 35
                Remember, there was an article by Roman Skomorokhov about the army of the Russian Empire a long time ago. How things were there. Basically, illiterate peasants came to be soldiers. They had to be taught to read and write, not everyone succeeded, of course. They had to be able to read and count. For this purpose, there were printed handkerchiefs with the alphabet and text. Why handkerchiefs --- smoking paper was used
                And where did 93% come from? From peasants? Especially national ones?
                1. +1
                  7 March 2025 17: 48
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  We had to teach them to read and write, but not everyone succeeded, of course.

                  A friend gave my granddaughter a fountain pen with nibs. Even ink in the set. True, without a spill-proof cup. I compared how my father, brother and I wrote. I wrote with fountain pens until the fifth grade. How much my penmanship has changed, even compared to my brother! What beautiful letters they used to write! And the next generations will soon write in "cuneiform". The 19th century, indeed! wink
                  1. +1
                    7 March 2025 18: 00
                    Well yes! laughing
                    back to the Future

                    Although it would be interesting to try it with ink now.
                    When I was a child, I had a wonderful ballpoint pen with a wooden "shirt". And my cousin once, also when she was a child, stuck the pen's rod into... a real goose feather!!! What a pen it turned out to be, a good one.
                    And I still sometimes have a "longing for the past" -- dreams of an adding machine, inkwells, old cash registers, because I once encountered them as a child.
                    1. +1
                      7 March 2025 18: 21
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      And I still sometimes have a "longing for the past" -- dreams of an adding machine, inkwells, old cash registers, because I once encountered them as a child.

                      At one time, Ascot-170s with a carriage under a meter were widely used by operators in savings banks and at the computer center. When they worked, they made a rustling sound, a metallic rustle. Sound familiar? This is a large adding machine. wink I don’t remember, they had either 7 or 10 thousand levers.
                      1. +1
                        7 March 2025 18: 44
                        I only heard about such big ones from my grandmother. They had some more at work. She used to bring me a small one on weekends. It was such a joy.
          2. man
            +4
            7 March 2025 21: 10
            I recently read that literacy under the Tsar reached 93%, but the Bolsheviks destroyed the education system.
            You are wrong to doubt, everything is correct, only you read outdated information, literacy under the Tsar reached 257%, peasants read Faulkner and Aristotle in the original. So the damned Bolsheviks had to destroy the education system several times
            1. +1
              8 March 2025 01: 32
              Quote: mann
              The Bolsheviks had to destroy the education system several times

              The educational programs helped! How clever these Bolsheviks were!
              1. +1
                8 March 2025 20: 10
                Quote: Uncle Lee
                ........ The educational programs helped! How cunning these Bolsheviks were!

                What's interesting, Vladimir Vladimirovich? hi , in the poem KOMSOMOLIYA, Bezymensky, it is very well described how the working youth studied. I have a reprint edition. A masterpiece of a book! After all, how many young people went to the Revolution. And then they studied. Educational program, schools. After work. And they studied Lenin's works
                1. +1
                  9 March 2025 01: 33
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  And then we studied.

                  Universal education, Workers' Faculty, Reading Hut....
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2025 04: 32
                    Somehow, under the Bolsheviks, they immediately understood that they had to study
                    Quote: Uncle Lee
                    ..... Universal education, workers' faculty, reading room....
                    1. +1
                      9 March 2025 05: 48
                      Quote: Reptiloid
                      Somehow, under the Bolsheviks, they immediately understood that they had to study
          3. 0
            8 March 2025 01: 06
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            including the next anniversary of Stalin's death in "VO".

            In the article about the UN resolution on the 80th anniversary of the end of the Great Patriotic War, 05.03 I put a portrait of I.V. Stalin as the master of victory and the date of his death... Result: +2, -2 votes....
            1. +1
              8 March 2025 01: 17
              wink
              Quote from Uncle Lee
              Result: +2, -2 votes....

              Don't pay attention to minuses. Unfortunately, especially lately, this is not an indicator of your comment. Any minus is worth something if it is reasoned. And, incognito? What is it about? wink
              Happy holiday!
              1. +1
                8 March 2025 01: 30
                A minus is also someone's opinion... I don't count the minuses, but I draw conclusions that not everything is so blissful and smooth. hi
                1. +2
                  8 March 2025 01: 35
                  Quote from Uncle Lee
                  A minus is also someone's opinion... I don't count the minuses, but I draw conclusions that not everything is so blissful and smooth.

                  The opinion must be reasoned. But, it happens that minus and arguing is even pointless. And, not blissfully and smoothly since 1991 and a little earlier.
                  1. +2
                    8 March 2025 01: 44
                    Quote: There was a mammoth
                    But sometimes it’s a minus and there’s no point in arguing.

                    It happens....
                    1. +1
                      8 March 2025 20: 16
                      And I regard unsubstantiated minuses as a complete victory over the enemy, !plink-plink, but nothing to say! I swallowed my tongue laughing How many people are still embittered against the USSR, the CPSU... and the Russian Federation too. How did this happen? It's unclear. request but it's a fact
    2. -10
      7 March 2025 09: 34
      Quote: sidorov
      The Russian Empire collapsed in the same way as the Turkish, German and Austro-Hungarian empires... So it was natural.

      Why didn't the British Empire collapse "naturally"? France? Maybe because they were part of the Entente, the victorious WWI?
      The empires that lost WWI collapsed, but Russia was part of the Entente and did not lose WWI.
      So there is no pattern.
      Quote: sidorov
      In this connection, it is necessary to mention one of the most important events of December 1917 - the convocation of the conference of the Entente countries in Paris. At which Russia was divided into "zones of responsibility" and financing was opened for all forces opposing the Bolshevik government. Then the picture will be complete and clear.

      No, for the picture to be complete, we need to remember the occupation of pro-German Iran by the USSR and Britain in 1941. In 1917, pro-German thieves seized power in Russia.
      Now everything is in place.
      1. +5
        7 March 2025 11: 09
        Why didn't the British Empire collapse "naturally"?

        It "collapsed" somewhat later and the beginning of the "collapse" of the British Empire was also laid by WWI. The problems with Ireland, Egypt, Iran cannot be left out of the equation.
        No, for the picture to be complete, we need to remember the occupation of pro-German Iran by the USSR and Britain in 1941.

        Soviet-Iranian (Persian) Treaty of February 26, 1921. Article 6: "Both High Contracting Parties agree that in the event that third countries attempt, through armed intervention, to implement an aggressive policy on the territory of Persia or to transform the territory of Persia into a base for military actions against Russia, if this threatens the borders of the Russian Socialist Federative Soviet Republic or its allied powers, and if the Persian Government, after a warning from the Russian Soviet Government, is not itself able to avert this danger, the Russian Soviet Government will have the right to introduce its troops into the territory of Persia in order to take the necessary military measures in the interests of self-defense. Upon the elimination of this danger, the Russian Soviet Government undertakes to immediately withdraw its troops from the borders of Persia."
        Three times, in June, July, August 1941, the Soviet side warned the Persian side. Refusals allowed the above-written article to be used.
        What preliminary agreement on the admissibility of intervention was previously concluded between the World Bank and France, the USA, Japan, Greece, and other interventionist states with the government of Nicholas II or the Provisional Government?
        In 1917, pro-German thieves seized power in Russia.

        And that is why the "pro-German thieves" fought with Germany when it violated the treaty, while the "pro-Russian" white side of the conflict at that time captured, for example, Rostov and the like for Germany, and then solemnly handed them over to Germany.
        Now everything is in place.
        P.S. Olgovich, you can be seen a mile away )))
        1. man
          0
          7 March 2025 15: 09
          Olgovich, you can be seen a mile away )))
          You're wrong, it's Tatyanych. smile
      2. +3
        7 March 2025 14: 34
        Quote: Petrovich
        In 1917, pro-German thieves seized power in Russia.

        ... and immediately took an active part in organizing the revolution in Germany, striking the Second Reich in the back. laughing
        And regarding the pro-Germans... for some reason, Mr. Krasnov immediately came to mind - and his letter to Wilhelm. One of the leaders of the White movement, a distinguished Russian officer during the war, addresses the leader of the bloc fighting the Empire/Republic with a proposal for the Reich to recognize the part of the Russian Land cut off by that officer, a separate peace and trade, industrial and military cooperation.
        1. -7
          7 March 2025 15: 45
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And regarding the pro-Germans... for some reason, I immediately remembered Mr. Krasnov - and his letter to Wilhelm.

          For some reason, all normal people remember Brest - Russian history simply does not know of betrayals of such a scale
          , unlike the traitors from the train car, who drank beer in Switzerland during the war, was awarded Georgievsky weapons back in 1914

          For the fact that in the battle on August 1, 1914 near the city of Lyubich, by personal example, under enemy fire, leading the dismounted hundreds of his regiment, he drove the enemy out of the railway station, occupied it, blew up the railway bridge and destroyed the station buildings.

          On November 2, 1914, he was promoted to major general[18]. He was appointed commander of the 1st Brigade (consisting of the 9th and native 10th regiments) of the 1st Don Cossack Division.

          In March 1915 he was awarded swords to the Order of St. Vladimir, 3rd degree.

          From May 1915 - commander of the 3rd brigade of the Caucasian Native Cavalry Division. On May 29, 1915, he was awarded the Order St. George 4th degree

          For outstanding courage and bravery shown by him in the battle on May 29, 1915 near the town of Zalishchyky and the village of Zhozhavy on the Dniester River,

          Hero of the Brusilov breakthrough, seriously wounded.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          One of the leaders of the White movement, a distinguished Russian officer in time war addresses the leader of the warring Empire/

          What's wrong with you - there was no war with Germany at that time. In September 18, the "belligerent" Soviet government sent two "gold trains" to Germany, which contained 93,5 tons of gold.
          Quote: Alexey RA
          the part of the Russian Land cut off by that officer, a separate peace and trade, industrial and military cooperation

          who saved part of the Russian Land from bandits and from genocide (not for long, alas).
          1919:
          Meanwhile, right now we are experiencing a moment when we need to become, first of all, Russians and defend our Russian cause, gather Russia, pacify it, calm it down, return it to honest creative work and only then peacefully come to an agreement verbally and clarify our political beliefs and desires. First of all, the Russian cause and Russia, and only then the aspiration to political ideals.
          1. 0
            7 March 2025 16: 33
            awarded the St. George weapon back in 1914

            For the fact that in the battle on August 1, 1914 near the city of Lyubich, by personal example, under enemy fire, leading the dismounted hundreds of his regiment, he knocked out the enemy

            And then the enemy became a friend
            Your Imperial and Royal Majesty! The bearer of this letter, Ataman of the Winter Stanitsa (envoy) of the Great Don Army at the court of Your Imperial Majesty and his comrades authorized by me, the Don Ataman, to greet Your Imperial Majesty, the Mighty Monarch of Great Germany

            The Great Don Army and other states of the Don-Caucasian Union will not forget the friendly service of the German people, with whom the Cossacks fought shoulder to shoulder even during the Thirty Years' War, when the Don regiments were in the ranks of Wallenstein's army, and in 1807 and 1813 the Don Cossacks with their Ataman Count Platov fought for the freedom of Germany.

            The Great Don Army undertakes, for the service of Your Imperial Majesty, to maintain complete neutrality during the world struggle of nations and not to allow armed forces hostile to the German people onto its territory, to which the Ataman of the Astrakhan Army, Prince Tundutov, and the Kuban Government have given their consent, and upon annexation, the remaining parts of the Don-Caucasian Union.

            The Great Don Army grants the German Empire the right of preferential export of surpluses for satisfying local needs of bread, grain and flour, leather goods and raw materials, wool, fish products, vegetable and animal fats and oils and products thereof, tobacco goods and products, cattle and horses, grape wine and other products of horticulture and agriculture, in exchange for which the German Empire will deliver agricultural machinery, chemical products and tanning extracts, equipment for an expedition to procure state papers with a corresponding supply of materials, equipment for cloth, cotton, tanneries, chemical, sugar and other factories and electrical equipment.

            Respecting you, Don Ataman Major General Krasnov
          2. 0
            7 March 2025 19: 16
            Quote: Petrovich
            What's wrong with you - there was no war with Germany at that time. In September 18, the "belligerent" Soviet government sent two "gold trains" to Germany, which contained 93,5 tons of gold.

            Wow! So the White movement recognized the Brest Peace Treaty? But then the Bolsheviks, who concluded it on behalf of Russia, are the legitimate power? And the Whites, it turns out, are rebels against the legitimate power?

            Because if not, then for the Russian Republic and the White movement the war with the Second Reich legally continued. And for the Republic Krasnov is the same traitor and separatist as Baron Mannerheim.
            1. -2
              9 March 2025 12: 06
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Wow! So, the White movement recognized the Brest Peace Treaty?
              No, it didn't admit what's wrong with you?
              Quote: Alexey RA
              But then the Bolsheviks, who concluded it on behalf of Russia, are the legitimate power?

              - legitimate only for their masters, the German-Turkish occupiers: more none the world and the country did not recognize her - just remember this fact.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              So, it turns out that the Whites are rebels against the legitimate government?

              The whites are the legitimate government, because they advocated for the return of power to the legitimate, all-people's, legitimate US, from the defeated bandits who seized power.
              Quote: Alexey RA
              then for the Russian Republic and the White movement the war with the Second Reich legally continued.

              legally Germany came out from the war with Russia. And no one recognized its conquests., The Brest Peace was declared a betrayal in relation to Russia, and the Bolsheviks, accomplices of the Germans
              1. 0
                10 March 2025 16: 55
                Quote: Petrovich
                No, it didn't admit what's wrong with you?

                Then why would the Whites have peace with the Second Reich? They didn't sign any peace treaty in Brest or anywhere else.
                Quote: Petrovich
                Legally, Germany withdrew from the war with Russia.

                С Soviet Russia, ruled by the Bolsheviks and Co., which the Whites did not recognize. And so for them the war continued.
                Or what- We play here, we don’t play here, we wrapped fish here?
    3. +4
      7 March 2025 10: 01
      The Russian Empire collapsed in the same way as the Turkish, German and Austro-Hungarian empires... So it was natural.
      It was not natural, it was prepared for a long time and eventually implemented. Like everything that is happening now.
    4. 0
      10 March 2025 14: 41
      The Russian empire did not "collapse". Only the Russian monarchy collapsed. These are CONCEPTUALLY different things...

      And Russia, precisely thanks to the Bolsheviks, preserved its imperial character as the leading subject of geopolitics. Remaining an empire, only not a monarchical one, but a Red one...
  2. +9
    7 March 2025 05: 37
    Our current president should not follow the path of Nicholas II... He behaves very slippery, the same lies in reports, the same covering up and protection of "his own", the same flirting with dear partners. Yes, there are many things in common with that situation of 2-1916. It would be good to remember how it all ended then.
    1. +8
      7 March 2025 06: 45
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Our current president should not follow the path of Nicholas II... He behaves very slippery, the same lies in reports, the same covering up and protection of "his own", the same flirting with dear partners. Yes, there are many things in common with that situation of 2-1916. It would be good to remember how it all ended then.

      So he remembers, and that’s why he doesn’t touch officials for failure to comply with decrees, for stealing the budget, he’s afraid that they will be overthrown, and so he keeps silent and sits on the throne.
      1. man
        +2
        7 March 2025 14: 13
        Quote from ARIONkrsk
        Quote from: FoBoss_VM
        Our current president should not follow the path of Nicholas II... He behaves very slippery, the same lies in reports, the same covering up and protection of "his own", the same flirting with dear partners. Yes, there are many things in common with that situation of 2-1916. It would be good to remember how it all ended then.

        So he remembers, and that’s why he doesn’t touch officials for failure to comply with decrees, for stealing the budget, he’s afraid that they will be overthrown, and so he keeps silent and sits on the throne.

        I don't remember Nicholas II being a staunch fighter against corruption. smile
        They really fought against theft and corruption uncompromisingly under Stalin, but since they didn’t want to admit that communists, especially high-ranking ones, could also be common thieves, they shot thieves as spies.
        So the Guarantor can safely shoot corrupt officials laughing
        1. +4
          7 March 2025 14: 39
          Quote: mann
          They really fought against theft and corruption uncompromisingly under Stalin, but since they didn’t want to admit that communists, especially high-ranking ones, could also be common thieves, they shot thieves as spies.

          It's just that the "everyday" articles for embezzlement in the Criminal Code were rather toothless in terms of punishment. So they stitched up "political" article 58-7 for embezzlers and budget squanderers in especially large and serious cases.
          Undermining state industry, transport, trade, monetary circulation or the credit system, as well as cooperation, committed for counterrevolutionary purposes through the appropriate use of state institutions and enterprises, or opposition to their normal activities, as well as the use of state institutions and enterprises or opposition to their activities, committed in the interests of former owners or interested capitalist organizations, entails the social protection measures specified in Article 58-2 of this Code.

          Believing at the same time that the communists who had reached high positions could have committed embezzlement not for the sake of self-interest, but solely for the purpose of overthrowing, undermining or weakening the power of workers' and peasants' councils and those elected by them, on the basis of the Constitution of the USSR and the constitutions of the union republics, workers' and peasants' governments of the USSR, union and autonomous republics, or undermining or weakening the external security of the USSR and the main economic, political and national gains of the proletarian revolution
          1. man
            0
            7 March 2025 14: 53
            It's just that the "everyday" articles for embezzlement in the Criminal Code were rather toothless in terms of punishment. So they stitched up "political" article 58-7 for embezzlers and budget squanderers in especially large and serious cases.
            Perhaps that was the case, but I believe that the cruelty of the punishments was justified for the time when war was just around the corner...
    2. -4
      7 March 2025 07: 29
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Yes, there are many things in common with the situation of 1916-1917.

      They have nothing in common, absolutely nothing.
      The Tsar had corrupt people - the gendarmerie, the army, the State Duma, newspapermen, numerous opposition parties, generals, relatives.
      And, for this reason, there was no chance of preserving the autocracy.
      What we have now - a strong army, police, state security agencies, a loyal State Duma, support from the population, all the liberal riffraff who openly engaged in sabotage - have been fairly and legally designated as foreign agents, the mouths of all sorts of chatterboxes, demagogues have been shut, and much more.
      Now compare with 1916, what do they have in common?
      Dreams, dreams... no need to fantasize.
      1. +4
        7 March 2025 08: 54
        Quote: bober1982
        What we have now - a strong army, police, state security agencies, a loyal State Duma, support from the population, all the liberal riffraff who openly engaged in sabotage - have been fairly and legally designated as foreign agents, the mouths of all sorts of chatterboxes, demagogues have been shut, and much more.

        Hmm, we had all this in 1989, and in the end, everything was decided at the top, just like in 1916. The problem is that the people did not have and do not have real levers of influence on the government.
        1. -1
          7 March 2025 09: 12
          Quote: Skif3216
          This is all we had in 1989

          Refresh your memory, I mean 1989 - the army had degenerated to the level of degenerates, the police - cops, debauchery and triumph of liberal citizens, rallies, Yeltsin - our president! the party - not our helmsman, ... the commissars sit and lead our girls into the office - this was performed on state television channels.
          1. +3
            7 March 2025 09: 54
            Quote: bober1982
            the army has degenerated to the level of degenerates

            Back in 87 they were quite successful in Afghanistan and then, judging by the fourth year of the war against the “strongest army in Europe” and the conscription of prisoners, the army has not changed much.
            Quote: bober1982
            police - cops

            Well, there is stability here, the last sane people left there at the turn of the 10th century.
            Quote: bober1982
            revelry and triumph of liberal citizens

            There's plenty of that now, too, when they decided to film something decent about the SVO, they couldn't find a single more or less famous director or actor. There really aren't any rallies, but people go out for single pickets despite the huge sentences and fines.
            Quote: bober1982
            Yeltsin is our president! The party is not our helmsman

            Until the collapse, everyone at the congresses unanimously raised their hands up. I saw how Prigozhin and the Wagners were greeted in Rostov, a real national jubilation.
            1. 0
              7 March 2025 10: 00
              Quote: Skif3216
              Until the collapse, everyone at the congresses unanimously raised their hands in the air

              At what congresses, dear comrade, maybe at the congresses of people's deputies? Do you remember those meetings? They were shown on all channels, after all, there was a gathering of traitors and saboteurs there.
              Ah, I found it funny about the army, about that one - a model of the decline of the Union, it was not an army, but something like a pack of abandoned and beaten dogs.
              1. +2
                7 March 2025 12: 03
                It's hard for me to compare the destruction of the USSR. But here are the Navalnyites. There was an attempt according to an old manual... "They are just children". It didn't work out for them. I wonder how those who were detained. What are their fates.
                1. 0
                  7 March 2025 12: 13
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  I wonder how those who were detained are. What are their fates.

                  Who knows, Dima, by the way, in Orthodoxy there is no concept of fate, there is God's Providence, but I won't argue.
                  And where are they - they "stormed" the Kazakh and Georgian borders, others are relaxing in warm countries, drinking beer, going to a karaoke bar, in short - they haven't disappeared.
                  1. +1
                    7 March 2025 12: 40
                    Vladimir hi In this case I don't mean mysticism or posthumous existence, but an everyday situation. I'm more interested not in their well-being, but in how someone was subjected. Administratively, criminally, fired from somewhere or something. For example, right now in the States they jumped up and down, shouted ----suitcase, train station, Moscow or who cursed Trump. So these young Ukrainians who came here are expelled immediately, they started crying crying FOR SHOO?.?? And those educational institutions where they studied ---- fines. They are exactly the same age as Navalny's followers
          2. man
            +1
            7 March 2025 14: 23
            Quote: bober1982
            Quote: Skif3216
            This is all we had in 1989

            Refresh your memory, I mean 1989 - the army had degenerated to the level of degenerates, the police - cops, debauchery and triumph of liberal citizens, rallies, Yeltsin - our president! the party - not our helmsman, ... the commissars sit and lead our girls into the office - this was performed on state television channels.

            And how did you notice this at the age of 7? request
            1. 0
              7 March 2025 17: 14
              It always surprises me when a set of numbers is associated with the year of birth. But it could be a random set of numbers, or just a calendar year, maybe my mother-in-law died that year, maybe he got married, maybe he got divorced. Not seriously, why are you throwing up your hands?
              1. man
                0
                7 March 2025 21: 15
                Quote: bober1982
                It always surprises me when a set of numbers is associated with the year of birth. But it could be a random set of numbers, or just a calendar year, maybe my mother-in-law died that year, maybe he got married, maybe he got divorced. Not seriously, why are you throwing up your hands?

                Well, quite often they put the year of birth in the nickname... and you reason like a young person... I didn't want to offend you, there is nothing better than youth
          3. +4
            7 March 2025 14: 46
            Quote: bober1982
            the army has degenerated to the level of degenerates,

            The army did not degrade. It was just that Gorby repeatedly betrayed the army and other security forces - in particular, in Tbilisi, Sumgait and Vilnius - first giving orders, and then not wanting to bear responsibility for them and blaming everything on the executors.
            Therefore, the army decided to strictly follow orders, not deviating from the letter even one step. If the army had suppressed the 1991 rebellion, the very next day the howl of the "elite" would have begun from Moscow offices and living rooms about the innocently killed boys and girls, brutally murdered by bloody ghouls in uniform for no reason at all.
      2. 0
        7 March 2025 13: 53
        It's obvious that you understand history and sociology like Peppa Pig understands citrus fruits. Come down from heaven already.
        1. -2
          7 March 2025 13: 58
          Quote from: FoBoss_VM
          It's obvious that you understand history and sociology like Peppa Pig understands citrus fruits. Come down from heaven already.

          Modesty adorns a person.
          To make the same assertion as you do, you must self-confidently consider yourself sinless and a great expert in history and sociology.
          As for Pippi Pig, it is a British cartoon series, so we can draw the appropriate conclusions.
          1. man
            +1
            7 March 2025 14: 33
            As for Pippi Pig, it is a British cartoon series, so we can draw the appropriate conclusions.
            I haven't watched any British cartoons, but the expression "What a pig understands about oranges" is Russian and dates back to the 19th century. I hope I haven't upset you too much...
            1. +1
              7 March 2025 17: 05
              I haven't watched any British TV series... but your friend, as it turns out, has watched (or is watching) I wrote to HIM that conclusions can be made, precisely conclusions, not a conclusion. And they have been made, but there's just one - failures happen on trifles.
              1. man
                +1
                7 March 2025 20: 46
                Quote: bober1982
                I haven't watched any British TV series... but your friend, as it turns out, has watched (or is watching) I wrote to HIM that conclusions can be made, precisely conclusions, not a conclusion. And they have been made, but there's just one - failures happen on trifles.

                Outrageous! Watching TV series from an unfriendly country... what a horror! am An MI6 agent is not my comrade!
                I hope you will note my patriotic position in your report? hi
  3. +13
    7 March 2025 05: 52
    The article can be used as an illustration for the expression "The sleep of reason produces monsters"
    Scraps of various ideas (some of them true) multiplied by emotions and a loser complex and passed through the prism of impatience and superficiality give rise to unimaginable chaos.
    "Boyar Rodzianko", who is a "liberal democrat", together with all the elites of the Russian Empire, are overthrowing this very empire and stealing its victory in WWI while in the USA they are already preparing a socialist revolution led by Trotsky. What a turn of events... I just want to say - "Who stood on whom? Please, express your thoughts more clearly."
    But it is curious that the author, borrowing his ideas from various smart books, accepts as a general principle an idea that is a cheap scam, an elementary manipulation at the level of Solovyov's talk show, etc. He perceives states not as a management apparatus resulting from the interests of different classes, estates, specific people, etc., that is, not as something real, but as an absolute abstraction hanging in the air but at the same time possessing the properties of a specific thing, playing some geopolitical games, having some abstract interests.
    As a result, it turns out that the abstract RI wins the war, but some insidious enemies, who make up all the elites of this very RI, hinder it.
    The good thing about this magical style of thinking is that it allows you to explain everything without explaining anything.
    1. +2
      7 March 2025 06: 11
      Quote: Belisarius
      ........ the insidious enemies who make up all the elites of this very RI are the ones who hinder it.

      This is the conclusion I like, because it excludes accusations against the Bolsheviks.
      1. +12
        7 March 2025 07: 28
        I guess I didn't express myself clearly. request I got something mixed up with the cases recourse
        Quote: Reptiloid
        .....I like this conclusion because it excludes accusations against the Bolsheviks.

        The same author in previous articles calls the Great October Socialist Revolution ----Trouble. Modern liberals make accusations against the Bolsheviks. While they themselves, situationally ----- are the descendants of that same corrupt elite that led the Russian Empire to February 1917. And could have led to complete destruction, if not for the Bolsheviks in October 917.
        1. man
          +5
          7 March 2025 14: 46
          Modern liberals make accusations against the Bolsheviks. While they themselves, situationally ----- are descendants of that same corrupt elite that led the Russian Empire to February 1917. And could have led to complete destruction, if not for the Bolsheviks in October 917.
          I will add that even if the Russian Empire had miraculously survived, it would have definitely been crushed by Nazi Germany in 1941. I just can’t imagine that any tsar would have been able to make an industrial and scientific breakthrough that would have almost eliminated the 50-year gap with the leading powers by that time...
          1. +2
            7 March 2025 16: 22
            I don't remember exactly, but I read that some tsarist generals spoke about the need to nationalize defense plants long ago. But the tsar got off topic. First of all, the talk was about the Putilov and Obukhov plants.
            Also before the Revolution, they proposed to build a metro in St. Petersburg, following the example of those already existing in various capitals. Refused for religious reasons. Aircraft construction is also almost == 0
            1. man
              +2
              7 March 2025 16: 24
              Quote: Reptiloid
              I don't remember exactly, but I read that some tsarist generals spoke about the need to nationalize defense plants long ago. But the tsar got off topic. First of all, the talk was about the Putilov and Obukhov plants.
              Also before the Revolution, they proposed to build a metro in St. Petersburg, following the example of those already existing in various capitals. Refused for religious reasons. Aircraft construction is also almost == 0

              Are you sure you're talking about the Tsarist era? smile
              1. +1
                7 March 2025 16: 56
                In general, the metro in the USA, Great Britain, Hungary, Turkey appeared in the middle-late 19th century. And in France, Germany --- the beginning of the 20th. Of course, it was not like now. Often above-ground or steam locomotives ...... or even, as in Turkey ---- an underground funicular laughing
                1. man
                  +1
                  7 March 2025 20: 27
                  Quote: Reptiloid
                  In general, the metro in the USA, Great Britain, Hungary, Turkey appeared in the middle-late 19th century. And in France, Germany --- the beginning of the 20th. Of course, it was not like now. Often above-ground or steam locomotives ...... or even, as in Turkey ---- an underground funicular laughing

                  Actually, I didn't mean the metro. smile (my fault, I should have removed the mention of the metro from the link to your comment), and about the nationalization of defense plants. And I am much more radical than the tsarist generals smile , I would nationalize all heavy and extractive industries. And I wouldn't spare any money for civil aircraft manufacturing, as long as they build well and with domestic components. Given our vast expanses, our own aviation is vitally important.
                  Oh, I almost forgot, I was hinting at today's reality.
                2. +1
                  7 March 2025 20: 44
                  in Turkey---- underground funicular
                  Built by a Frenchman with money from the English.
    2. +2
      7 March 2025 14: 53
      Quote: Belisarius
      As a result, it turns out that the abstract RI wins the war, but some insidious enemies, who make up all the elites of this very RI, hinder it.

      There is a universal explanation - the Freemasons are to blame for everything. smile
      Masons are magical people who:
      - they parasitize on the Empire, living fat at the expense of the budget;
      - overthrow the Empire (losing everything) and create a Republic;
      - they overthrow the Republic (losing everything they had just acquired through backbreaking labor) and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat;
      - they destroy the dictatorship from within (losing everything they have acquired through hard work).
      1. man
        +1
        7 March 2025 15: 13
        Quote: Alexey RA
        Quote: Belisarius
        As a result, it turns out that the abstract RI wins the war, but some insidious enemies, who make up all the elites of this very RI, hinder it.

        There is a universal explanation - the Freemasons are to blame for everything. smile
        Masons are magical people who:
        - they parasitize on the Empire, living fat at the expense of the budget;
        - overthrow the Empire (losing everything) and create a Republic;
        - they overthrow the Republic (losing everything they had just acquired through backbreaking labor) and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat;
        - they destroy the dictatorship from within (losing everything they have acquired through hard work).

        I see you are embarrassed to pronounce the simple Russian word "Jews" laughing
        1. +1
          7 March 2025 19: 11
          Quote: mann
          I see you are embarrassed to pronounce the simple Russian word "Jews" laughing

          N-no-no... Jews are separate, Freemasons are separate.
          You don’t want to say that the entire political elite of the Empire and the Republic, all sorts of Grand Dukes, Yusupovs, Guchkovs, Milyukovs, Morozovs and others are Jews. smile
          Do you see the three heroes?
          In the center is Muromets - a Jew, yes!
          1. man
            0
            7 March 2025 21: 39
            Quote: Alexey RA
            Quote: mann
            I see you are embarrassed to pronounce the simple Russian word "Jews" laughing

            N-no-no... Jews are separate, Freemasons are separate.
            You don’t want to say that the entire political elite of the Empire and the Republic, all sorts of Grand Dukes, Yusupovs, Guchkovs, Milyukovs, Morozovs and others are Jews. smile
            Do you see the three heroes?
            In the center is Muromets - a Jew, yes!

            In brotherly North Korea
            Jews entrenched themselves.
            They say Hemingway
            According to the questionnaires, he was a Jew! laughing
      2. 0
        8 March 2025 14: 18
        Quote: Alexey RA
        - overthrow the Empire (losing everything) and create a Republic;

        everything doesn't look so illogical if we accept the assumption that those who are overthrowing the Empire are native suckers who consider themselves "partners" and look up to the masters of democracy.
  4. +6
    7 March 2025 06: 16
    Again, the search for mythical external enemies. We open Ignatyev, "Fifty Years in the Service" and read about Nikolai Alexandrovich's visit to Stockholm. It will immediately become clear why everyone, and first of all the nobility, turned away from the Tsar.
    Well, and the systemic description of the cause of the Russian catastrophe of the early 20th century is better to read in Kalashnikov and Kugushev, "The Third Project". Part One "Immersion".
    The attempt to blame everything on the machinations of foreign backstage most of all reminds one of scenes in kindergarten: "Mar' Ivanna, and Pet'ka is a tease." What kind of state is this that cannot ensure its internal security?
    1. man
      +1
      7 March 2025 15: 18
      Quote: Grossvater
      Again, the search for mythical external enemies. We open Ignatyev, "Fifty Years in the Service" and read about Nikolai Alexandrovich's visit to Stockholm. It will immediately become clear why everyone, and first of all the nobility, turned away from the Tsar.
      Well, and the systemic description of the cause of the Russian catastrophe of the early 20th century is better to read in Kalashnikov and Kugushev, "The Third Project". Part One "Immersion".
      The attempt to blame everything on the machinations of foreign backstage most of all reminds one of scenes in kindergarten: "Mar' Ivanna, and Pet'ka is a tease." What kind of state is this that cannot ensure its internal security?

      The more primitive people are, the more they are inclined to simple solutions.
  5. +11
    7 March 2025 06: 16
    That is why they did not wait for Tsarist Russia to win the war, when there were six months to a year left until victory. The State Duma and all the front commanders unanimously began to demand that the Tsar abdicate the throne. They sought to establish Western-style power in Russia and become the victors in the war with the German bloc.

    I don't get it
    they didn't wait for tsarist Russia to win the war
    or
    sought to establish Western-style power in Russia and become victors in the war with the German bloc

    This is not an article, but some kind of tsarist nonsense.
    Only time wasted.
    1. +1
      7 March 2025 07: 41
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      This is not an article, but some kind of tsarist nonsense.

      Dear Sigismund Voldemarovich, this article has nothing to do with the tsar-godliness.
      If you don't believe me, contact the respected forum member of the site - Dmitry (Reptiloid), he will give you a qualified answer, he knows what's what - he will competently bring the tsar-worshippers to clean water.
      1. +1
        7 March 2025 14: 54
        Quote: bober1982
        contact the respected forum member of the site - Dmitry (Reptiloid), he will give you a qualified answer, he knows what's what

        No wonder - with a nickname like that. laughing
    2. man
      +1
      7 March 2025 15: 27
      Quote: Obi Wan Kenobi
      I don't get it
      they didn't wait for tsarist Russia to win the war
      or
      sought to establish Western-style power in Russia and become victors in the war with the German bloc

      This is not an article, but some kind of tsarist nonsense.
      Only time wasted.

      The author is not on friendly terms with logic laughing
  6. -1
    7 March 2025 06: 31
    Russia was preparing an operation to capture the Bosphorus and Constantinople
    And it's a very good thing that she didn't prepare it. The Dardanelles operation is a convincing confirmation of this.
    1. +3
      7 March 2025 06: 50
      The only reason why the Russian Empire got involved in World War I was because the defeat and annexation of Turkey was a feasible operation for the Russian Empire, provided that this theater of military operations was isolated.
      Although the majority of people on this resource are adults, and in some places elderly, it is not worth publishing such "stories for adults" on it.
      In 1916, Russia exhausted its resources to continue active military operations, and the attempt to mobilize foreigners for the needs of the rear failed and led to uprisings.
      It was not long before we could revel in the successes of the offensive of May-June 1916; the Stokhod massacre summed up the offensive capabilities of the Russian army in the West. And the successes in local operations in the Caucasus did not lead to the defeat of the Turkish army and a general offensive against Turkey. About Romania and Riga - it was complete nonsense! So a separate peace with the Quadruple Alliance had the right to be implemented, but it did not take place due to the greed of the Kaiser, who did not want to conclude peace with Russia without annexations and contributions.
      1. man
        0
        7 March 2025 15: 33
        Although the majority of people on this resource are adults, and in some places elderly
        Excuse me... in what specific places are these elderly??? request Please clarify smile hi
        1. +3
          7 March 2025 15: 40
          When you get older, you will understand:
          It's impossible not to smile when you remember this
          Pranks of that age
          When all the members were flexible,
          With one exception.
          The years flew by carefree
          And that's what's most offensive,
          That the limbs became completely hardened,
          With one exception.
          1. man
            +2
            7 March 2025 15: 54
            When you get older, you'll understand.
            What more could you want... they don't even take you as a general in the SVO smile
            The poems are not bad, but they are too sarcastic for my taste. smile
            Pushkin has something better love
  7. +3
    7 March 2025 06: 38
    In fact, in London and the USA, they were already preparing a second revolution, a socialist one. Detachments of internationalist revolutionaries, Trotskyists, were supposed to overthrow the "bourgeois-democratic" government and begin a global Marxist-Trotskyist experiment. A world revolution. Not only Russia, but also Germany, Austria-Hungary, and most of Europe were supposed to burn in its fire.
    It must be understood that London and the USA did not see themselves burnt in the flames of a global fire (or did Alexander Samsonov not see them there?)
    Citizens! I have a question - where does the author get such substances? Looking around, I often catch myself thinking - I want such too!
    1. +3
      7 March 2025 07: 45
      What kind of things are these? laughing a complex process is happening before our eyes. Experiments. To cram the uncrammable! That's what! We must watch and benefit from it.
      The main thesis of the article is that the elite is treacherous, corrupt, Russophobic, and is leading to the collapse of the country.
    2. man
      +3
      7 March 2025 15: 38
      Citizens! I have a question - where does the author get such substances? Looking around, I often catch myself thinking - I want such too!
      Of course, in Odessa, on Bolshaya Arnautskaya. He took risks, got it under bombing.
  8. +5
    7 March 2025 06: 42
    Samsonov was released again with his aggravations
  9. +9
    7 March 2025 07: 09
    The Ottoman Empire did not fall apart, it was divided by the Treaty of Versailles. But it turns out strange, it turns out that the Anglo-Saxons, together with the French, either bribed the "Russian boyars" or somehow came to an agreement, and as a result they carried out the February Revolution, then the Americans gave money to Trotsky, the Germans to Lenin, and they carried out the October Revolution. But in Germany and Austria-Hungary, everything happened by itself. So, the people there are more honest, and ours are corrupt? It would be interesting to know how the interventionists, the Japanese, Americans, English, French, helped the Reds? By helping Estonian nationalists land Red troops in the rear, bombing Petrograd, Kronstadt? In the North, an aviation unit consisting of Russian and English pilots fought against the Reds? English officers taught the Whites how to drive English tanks? And finally, the last ones in the sea - ocean, the Red units threw out General Dieterichs, who in the Far East, almost proclaimed a monarchy.
  10. +1
    7 March 2025 07: 39
    It is understandable that the Orthodox Church, then considered part of the state machine, was glad of the abdication of Tsar Nicholas and the destruction of the traditional state power. Since the time of Peter the Great, the Church dreamed of reviving the Patriarchate. All this time, submitting to the authorities, the Church gritted its teeth and tolerated the state machine, of which the Orthodox Church had to be a part. Not only did it have to urge workers to endure injustice from their employers in sermons, but the authorities forced the clergy to violate even the secrecy of confession if their thoughts or actions were directed against the authorities. Among the many other sins imputed to the unbelieving Nicholas II, the Church also saw his connivance with the blasphemer Leo Tolstoy. So the Church expected that with the abdication of the Tsar, a Church Council would be convened in Russia, which would heal the wounds of the Church, caused by the reforms of Tsar Peter the Great. So the procession of workers, which turned into Bloody Sunday, was organized by the priest of the Orthodox Church, priest Gapon.
    By the way, both Rodzianko and Gapon were originally from Ukraine...
  11. -1
    7 March 2025 07: 58
    In general, the ideology of the enemies of the USSR, both in relation to Nicholas II and in relation to their current “Tsar,” is in the style of “The Tsar is good, the boyars are bad.”
  12. +12
    7 March 2025 08: 21
    Another Samsonov "immortal":
    It turns out that the West and the Freemasons raised and supported the Bolsheviks, but betrayed the Whites and did not give them a ruble.

    Vladimir Ilyich would be very surprised
  13. +12
    7 March 2025 08: 40
    Another panegyric to the crispy French bun. Like, everything was in chocolate, but... At least they don't blame the Bolsheviks and that... The author doesn't realize that revolutions don't just happen. Everyone is well-fed, everyone is happy, and suddenly, here you go - they start to go crazy from the fat.
  14. +3
    7 March 2025 08: 58
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  15. +6
    7 March 2025 09: 04
    Ugh. Empty talk, IMHO. A list of templates, well-known facts and conspiracy theories from the 90s.
  16. 0
    7 March 2025 09: 16
    Quote: Belisarius
    He perceives states not as a governing apparatus, the result of the interests of different classes, estates, specific people, etc.

    No. The state expresses and elevates to law the will of the economically dominant class, and not of a hodgepodge. The social function (of different classes and specific people) is playful, of secondary importance.
  17. +12
    7 March 2025 10: 03
    However, instead of a triumphant victory, the Februaryist revolutionaries, the boyars of that time, having overthrown the tsar, opened Pandora's box and caused a design, civilizational and state catastrophe for Russia.

    The result was the Great October Socialist Revolution, which prevented Russia from sliding into the abyss and, over time, brought it to a leading position in the world.
  18. +2
    7 March 2025 10: 12
    One of the main reasons for the destruction of the Russian Empire and the destruction of the USSR is betrayal. Nicholas II was betrayed by his entourage, including the Grand Dukes and the generals, and the USSR was betrayed by Gorbachev, to whom the communists entrusted the country and the people.
    And in both cases there was an “interim government” - the Provisional Government and Gorbachev with the perestroika people, and then the Bolsheviks and the enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people and Russophobes “liberated” by Gorbachev took the country away from them.
    1. +1
      7 March 2025 14: 59
      Quote: tatra
      One of the main reasons for the destruction of the Russian Empire and the destruction of the USSR is betrayal. Nicholas II was betrayed by his entourage, including the Grand Dukes and the generals, and the USSR was betrayed by Gorbachev, to whom the communists entrusted the country and the people.

      And tell me - did this entourage come from Mars or Venus? How did Nicholas II and Gorbachev get this entourage? Who approved these people for their posts?
      And don't talk about the dictate of the environment. The people who held the posts of Emperor and General Secretary before these nonentities, if necessary, burned out the environment with a hot iron and selected a new one.
      1. 0
        7 March 2025 17: 15
        The enemies of the USSR, as always, are an anomaly. For you, it is not those WHO betrayed, but those WHOM they betrayed who are to blame. And it is not for you to be indignant, you, with your Perestroika, prove that you are real - only when it is not in your interest to lie and be hypocritical. Including, you praised your two "leaders" Gorbachev and Yeltsin, thanked them for "freedom", and then betrayed them, threw them to the Soviet communists and their supporters, and you will do the same with this "leader" of yours, and you have already begun to throw him to the Soviet Chekists.
        1. -2
          7 March 2025 19: 28
          Quote: tatra
          It is not those WHO betrayed you who are to blame, but those WHOM you betrayed.

          So, the selection of the team is the captain's task, one of the most important tasks. And the captain is responsible for everything on the ship of the state. And the mantra "good tsar - bad boyars" leave it for state propaganda.
          Quote: tatra
          including, you praised your two "leaders" Gorbachev and Yeltsin

          Actually, these are your leaders. You accepted them into the party, you elected them and supported them. You, communists, have repeatedly arranged for them at congresses and meetings stormy, prolonged applause, turning into a standing ovation, everyone stands up.
          And when they destroyed everything, the communists started to deny them - they said that they were the wrong communists. So where were you looking when they were elected? When they were climbing the career ladder? Why didn't the primary party organizations ask the party whether the country was heading in the right direction under wise leadership? Where were the 16 million members of the CPSU looking? Or... was our entire communist party made up of traitors?
  19. -7
    7 March 2025 10: 40
    It is obvious that for Petrograd, which was dealing with such allies in the Entente, who themselves were preparing a revolution in the Russian Empire (How the “fifth column” brought down the Russian Empire), separate peace with Germany and Austria-Hungary would be the best solution.


    The author's hopes came true in Brest: the "best" way out meant... loss thirds European territory of Russia and its robbery.. It is immediately obvious - old "friends"
    Russia had no fundamental contradictions with the German world. Moreover, Russian and German civilizations were natural allies.

    "there are no contradictions - neither in the Battle on the Ice, nor in WWII 1812, where 40% of Napoleon's army were Germans (Bavaria, Baden, Saxony, Austria, Prussia, etc.), nor in WWII 1854, where a huge army was forced to stand against Austria, nor in WWI, nor in WWII, nor in the Russian Front, etc.
    1. +4
      7 March 2025 12: 00
      Quote: Petrovich
      Russia had no fundamental contradictions with the German world. Moreover, Russian and German civilizations were natural allies.

      "there are no contradictions - neither in the Battle on the Ice, nor in the 1812 War...


      There are no eternal friends or enemies, there are only eternal interests. Sometimes they are caused by natural reasons. Russia and Ukraine are also natural allies. But even natural allies do not always understand this.
      So it is everywhere and in everything. Workers and peasants are natural allies, which did not prevent peasants from robbing workers in starving cities with their speculative prices, and workers from taking bread from them by force.
      1. -2
        7 March 2025 12: 08
        Quote: sidorov
        Russia and Ukraine are also natural allies

        belay it is impossible in principle: the essence of the country is anti-Russia
        Quote: sidorov
        Workers and peasants are natural allies,

        never - peasants are owners, workers are hired workers
        1. +1
          7 March 2025 12: 17
          Quote: Petrovich
          never - peasants are owners, workers are hired workers

          But a worker cannot be a shareholder? And a peasant cannot be a hired worker?

          Quote: Petrovich
          Quote: sidorov
          Russia and Ukraine are also natural allies

          it is impossible in principle: the essence of the country is anti-Russia


          "Ukrainianism" is not the whole of Ukraine. Do you want to outlaw all Ukrainians in Russia, just like Zelensky outlawed Russians? You should read more carefully.. The objective interests of peoples depend on objective circumstances. Although they are not always recognized by them.

          Or will you, like a true hohol, “stand your ground” simply because it is “your own”?
          1. 0
            9 March 2025 12: 12
            Quote: sidorov
            You should read more carefully.

            so there's nothing to read - not a single thought.
            Quote: sidorov
            The objective interests of peoples depend on objective circumstances. Although they are not always recognized by them.

            lol You, of course, know better than anyone the "objective interests of the peoples"
            Quote: sidorov
            Or will you, like a true hohol, “stand your ground” simply because it is “your own”?

            Or will you, like a true hohol, “stand your ground” simply because it is “your own”?
  20. +3
    7 March 2025 14: 47
    Quote: Reptiloid
    the descendants of that same corrupt elite that led the Russian Empire to February 1917.

    Everything is more complicated. The main problem was the unprecedented split in society. Individual elements:
    The royal family;
    High aristocracy;
    The service and, although they had their contradictions, the local nobility;
    Intelligentsia;
    Industrialists (owners of factories and steamships)
    Merchants, primarily Old Believers;
    Kulaks;
    The peasantry, from which the Old Believer peasantry can be distinguished;
    Landless peasantry;
    Small traders and artisans;
    Workers.
    All these groups were in deep (of varying depths, of course) antagonism towards each other. Up to the point of refusing to recognize members of the other group as full-fledged people.
    This is precisely the reason for the monstrous cruelty of all revolutions and the Civil War.
    A textbook example, the massacre of white Cossacks against white officers and their families when they left Russia. Those who wish can look for information, I will not. Details are not for my nerves.
    Well, since under a monarchy the monarch is responsible for everything, then...
    1. +2
      7 March 2025 19: 08
      Actually, what you described was the division into groups based on anthropological features. Those who are rich ---- food, education, doctors. Life up to 80 years.
      And vice versa. If according to the 1898 census of the Russian Empire ----- the average life expectancy is 30 years. Then where does this figure come from? If the rich are 80 years old. Of course, anthropologically different types. And hatred, antagonism accordingly
  21. +4
    7 March 2025 15: 14
    That is why in the armies of Denikin and Kolchak the monarchists were underground and were pursued by White Guard counterintelligence.

    These armies contained "every creature in pairs", but they were united by one thing - hatred of the Soviet power. Even with the devil, as long as it was against the Bolsheviks.
    1. +1
      7 March 2025 19: 32
      Quote: Sanya Tersky
      These armies contained "every creature in pairs", but they were united by one thing - hatred of the Soviet power. Even with the devil, as long as it was against the Bolsheviks.

      The mosaic nature of the White movement was most clearly, albeit in a grotesque form, shown in “The New Adventures of the Elusive” - in the famous scene with the performance of “God Save the Tsar”.
      - God save the Tsar. Strong sovereign, Reign for glory, for glory to us...
      - Long live the parliamentary republic!
      - I protest.
      - Shut up, puppy!
      - All power to the constituent assembly!
      - Long live Baron Wrangel!
      - Down with the monarchs!
  22. +1
    7 March 2025 15: 50
    There are many indications that in Russia they want to revive the monarchy of the Rothschild dynasty. At the same time, all these hints "not seriously and from afar" about the boyars preparing a coup, the incompetence and inefficiency of the "Vertical" are nothing more than a sounding out of public opinion and the indoctrination of the population. All this happened 35 years ago, and, as the hero of V. Livanov used to say, "The deal burned out!"
    I wonder which path will be chosen: rebellion and popular unrest or a praetorian coup?
    1. +1
      7 March 2025 19: 17
      It seems that everyone is against the Tsar. Different layers of society. Rather, there are projects about faceless power??
      Very interesting are the paintings on historical military themes in the house of one of the imprisoned. In all seriousness they see themselves as the most famous people from the past. Moreover, of "noble blood". I did not think this thought through. recourse
  23. +5
    7 March 2025 17: 29
    If it weren't for the Bolsheviks, Russia would have gone to pieces!
  24. +1
    8 March 2025 09: 59
    By the way, Nicholas was overthrown precisely because he was ready to conclude a separate peace; at that time in France there was unrest in the army, discontent among the masses and anti-war sentiments were growing in all layers of society.
    But the war was to the advantage of big capital, so it was in 17 that Nicholas was overthrown and the USA entered the war.
    That way the war would have ended in 1917. So, no matter how you look at it, the Bolsheviks continued Nikolaev's policy of Russia's withdrawal from the war. Therefore, it is not clear why their pacifism is held against them?
  25. 0
    8 March 2025 10: 06
    Quote: Victor Leningradets
    So a separate peace with the Quadruple Alliance had the right to be implemented, but did not take place due to the greed of the Kaiser, who did not want to conclude peace with Russia without annexations and contributions.

    Here Austria’s position also played a role: they did not want to give Trentino, Trieste and a number of other Italian territories to Italy.
  26. 0
    8 March 2025 10: 07
    Quote: Petrovich
    "there are no contradictions - neither in the Battle on the Ice, nor in WWII 1812, where 40% of Napoleon's army were Germans (Bavaria, Baden, Saxony, Austria, Prussia, etc.), nor in WWII 1854, where a huge army was forced to stand against Austria, nor in WWI, nor in WWII, nor in the Russian Front, etc.

    Well, on the side of the Russian Empire against Napoleon, Britain, Spain, Sweden, Portugal, and even the USA fought.
  27. 0
    8 March 2025 17: 46
    history is written by the victors. in this particular case, the victors of 1991. I personally evaluate the Soviet experience of the Russian state positively, at least from the point of view of common sense. the essence is simple, the Russian bourgeois capitalist is in no hurry to invest in technology. and why? there is plenty of cheap labor around that can be replaced by migrants if necessary. and the money received from the exploitation of the working class can be taken abroad without problems - after all, it will not be squeezed out there by ethnic organized crime groups of all stripes. and the inflation rate is lower there. and inflation expectations are directly planned by our own elites, and I do not remember the level below 8-15%. and where prices rise, there is a drop in the birth rate and the degradation of everything and everyone. which is actually what we are seeing. on TV year after year they announce that some kind of fight is underway with these problems, but in fact the situation is only getting worse. the country must change course. leave the WTO, abolish the central bank, take away the main monopolies, drive foreign capitalists out of the country, restore the planned economy and become the main employer. Then there will be money for new weapons and technologies, for space, and as under Comrade Stalin, three million people will be born a year.
  28. 0
    9 March 2025 16: 44
    It is not true that there were no contradictions with the Germans. The Germans were actively interfering with Turkey financially and economically, establishing military cooperation. The straits under a weak Turkey are good for the Russian Empire. But under a powerful Germany, it is a completely different matter. It would have become difficult to trade in bread. And the Germans had been dreaming about living space (Little Russia) long before the possessed corporal.
    I'm a bit confused. The Germans wanted a revolution in the Russian Empire - well, that's at least understandable. The Entente wanted a revolution in the Russian Empire... why would they need it? The Russian Empire had to hold the front, diverting German troops. It was given credit and actively supplied for this purpose. Why these dubious experiments?
  29. 0
    9 March 2025 16: 55
    Quote: Reptiloid
    Actually, what you described was the division into groups based on anthropological features. Those who are rich ---- food, education, doctors. Life up to 80 years.

    Eee hmm... Yanchevetsky, "1900", at the very end, after the capture of Beijing, a reception at the Russian embassy. Ignatyev, "Fifty Years in Service", Nikolay's visit to Stockholm. Kalashnikov, Kugushev, "The Third Project", part one, immersion. Somewhere at Melnikov's, General-Admiral's review of Retvizan.
    In these cases:
    Conflict between diplomats and Russian officers;
    The conflict, or rather the indescribable rudeness of the Tsar Father towards His own ambassador;
    A certain summary picture of the country's disunity;
    The most august rudeness towards the naval engineers and mechanics (I think they were not poor guys).
  30. 0
    10 March 2025 06: 22
    Quote: Prole
    I personally evaluate the Soviet experience of the Russian state positively, at least from the point of view of common sense. The essence is simple, the Russian bourgeois capitalist is in no hurry to invest in technology. And why? There is plenty of cheap labor around

    How old are you? What you are describing is precisely a purely socialist approach.
    Why invest money in the development of production, if at any moment you can fly off the administrative heights. Moreover, your personal qualities and merits will not matter at all.
    It’s just like Simonov said in “The Living and the Dead” - “there’s an opinion” or “they decided somewhere there.”
    Read, damn you, read!
    As for the planned economy, it can exist and function only as a mobilization option.
    Each person is entitled to two pairs of shoes, one suit, two pairs of underwear, three shirts, two coats and a hat per year. That's all.
    Are you personally ready to live like this?
    By the way, rumors about the technological independence of the USSR are greatly exaggerated. If you decide to part with the role of a writer and start reading something about the history of technology, you will learn that the equipment of those very factories and shipyards was to a very large extent purchased in capitalist countries.
    Alas!
  31. 0
    10 March 2025 06: 28
    Quote: Prole
    become a major employer

    God forbid! The state as the main employer means monstrous corruption first and foremost and the absence of even a theoretical possibility of development.
    Everything will get bogged down in a quagmire of bureaucratic red tape.
    All the successes of the USSR were based on individual outstanding personalities. On exceptions to the rules. The state economy is not self-regulating, and it is impossible to steer such a machine manually.
    The space program, the nuclear program, which, by the way, if we believe Yemelyanov, was successfully developing in the thirties and was only slowed down due to the beginning of the war, worked exactly according to the principle of a large capitalist monopoly. With responsibility and unlimited power of one leader.
    But as soon as a random person accidentally got to the highest post based on his personal data, the system collapsed and key specialists were squeezed out of it.
    For example, what happened to Kartsev after Okunev's death. I hope you read about this story?
  32. -1
    10 March 2025 14: 34
    "The situation on the Russian front was stable. The Russian army rectified the situation on the Romanian sector, and in January 1917, the enemy was routed in a counter-battle. In January, the Russian army had a partial success in the Riga direction. The Germans were alarmed, gathered reserves, counterattacked, trying to regain their previous positions. The German attacks were repelled, and by the beginning of February, the fighting had died down. In the end, our troops did not reach Mitava, but they showed that they could unexpectedly break through the enemy's defenses."
    *************************************************
    These are illusions...

    It was this direction of the German-Russian front, and not the "Caucasian" or "Romanian" one, that was decisive. And it was the situation on it that determined both the "prospects" of the monarchy as such, and the subsequent status of Russia as a "winner"...

    And this situation was more than gloomy... From the Baltic economic region (the third most important in the country, after Priter and the Urals...), "EVERYTHING that was possible" was urgently evacuated... The Germans eventually occupied not only Mittawa, but also Riga... The Petrograd military district was "frontline"... This, I remind you, was in the THIRD, so-called "close to victory", as some say, year of the war... There was no longer any chance of any real "offensives" in this direction of the front...

    The army, in which the "shell famine" had supposedly been "already" eliminated, - first of all, the soldiers, tired of rotting in the trenches, simply DID NOT WANT to fight any more... In the Riga direction, only the "national" formations formed by the monarchist regime, the so-called "Latvian riflemen" (brigades and regiments), tried to "actively twitch", and even then, for "their own", purely "national" reasons, and not at all because of "loyalty" to the monarch...

    And their partial tactical success in local areas was quickly "nullified" by the Germans...

    Hasn't the time finally come to stop promoting the idea that some kind of "victory" was allegedly "robbed" of the Russian monarchy, and then of the "loyal subjects" of the coup makers?..
  33. 0
    11 March 2025 08: 24
    Quote: Grossvater
    God forbid! The state as the main employer means monstrous corruption first and foremost and the absence of even a theoretical possibility of development.
    Everything will get bogged down in a quagmire of bureaucratic red tape.
    All the successes of the USSR were based on individual outstanding personalities. On exceptions to the rules. The state economy is not self-regulating, and it is impossible to steer such a machine manually.


    Another portion of liberal nonsense. Corruption is precisely a manifestation of the "market nature" of the economy, since the corrupt official is guided by the imperative of personal selfish gain. In essence, he is simply a businessman in government service.
    There are enough bureaucratic red tapes in any more or less large administrative system... and there are no others. A large private corporation also has its bureaucrats. Humanity has not yet invented any other methods of management except administrative-command.

    There is no and never has been a "self-regulating economy". "The invisible hand of the market" is an invention of liberal "Emelyas" who very naively think that it is enough to introduce some "principles of economic freedom" and everything will get better and regulate itself. Definitely not!
    Regardless of the "ism", everything, everywhere and always was decided (and regulated) and continues to be done by specific people, on whose abilities, competence and experience everything depends. And the "ism" is simply a way of seating musicians in an orchestra. If the musicians are untalented, then no matter how you seat them, there will be no good music.
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    11 March 2025 08: 33
    Quote: parusnik
    It turns out strange, it turns out that the Anglo-Saxons, together with the French, either bribed the "Russian boyars" or somehow came to an agreement, and as a result they carried out the February Revolution, then the Americans gave money to Trotsky, the Germans to Lenin, and they carried out the October Revolution. But in Germany and Austria-Hungary, everything happened by itself.


    Of course, it didn't happen there either. The "democratization" of post-war (after WWI) Germany and Austria took place with the active participation of overseas democrats, which was not hidden.
    One of the main bonuses is the transfer of the function of issuing local currency from the hands of the state (as under the Wilhelmines) to the hands of a consortium of private banks (the local branch of the Federal Reserve). For the sake of such a fat piece, any war can be unleashed and a revolution can be arranged.
  35. 0
    11 March 2025 09: 30
    ...This is quite common in Russian society and AT ALL TIMES..., THAT IS:
    shit and scum gradually and inevitably rise to the top in overwhelmingly huge quantities..., inevitably displacing healthy and moral forces...,
    becomes the so-called "elite"...
    Then - betrayal, the death of the state in turmoil and revolutions...

    ...MIRACLE SALVATION...

    And: again...
  36. 0
    12 March 2025 08: 49
    Quote: Evil_Soviet_Zionist
    ...This is quite common in Russian society and AT ALL TIMES..., THAT IS:
    shit and scum gradually and inevitably rise to the top in overwhelmingly huge quantities..., inevitably displacing healthy and moral forces...,


    A reasonable question arises: where are the “healthy and moral forces” in the Western ruling elites?

    Maybe Biden? Macron (either monsieur or madame)? Scholz? Or the pan-European Ursula?
    These are truly examples of morality... laughing
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    14 March 2025 14: 27
    Some kind of in-person elite in Russia. It has always been like this.