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To avoid a catastrophe, the government must hand over the government to the nationalists.

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To avoid a catastrophe, the government must hand over the government to the nationalists.
But there is little hope for such a development.


The nationalist movement in Russia has already matured in order to speak on topical issues of our time, not only at local venues, but also from the rostrum of parliament. The expert working group of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation on the analysis and resolution of interethnic conflicts came to this conclusion. The work was ordered by the well-known Public Design Institute (INOP), which is listed among those close to United Russia.

The study of the working group, as reported to Izvestia by its head, Mikhail Romanov, consisted in analyzing the assessments of the experts interviewed, monitoring the media and studying sociological polls. And by all signs, as Mr. Romanov noted, the nationalist movement in Russia is slowly but surely gaining political weight. Yes, at present, nationalist forces are generally weak, and if elections were held this Sunday, even a reduced entry barrier in 5% would not help them to claim seats in the Duma. But until 2016, there is still enough time, the publication interlocutor hinted.

By the way, a survey conducted last autumn by sociologists at the Levada Center showed that trust in nationalist forces in society is indeed great. The respondents' sympathies for them turned out to be stronger than those for the same Communists, who until now were de facto considered to be “2 strength” after United Russia. The last nationalists in the polls are still losing.

And are the nationalists themselves ready to pull the mandate burden? In a conversation with a KM.RU columnist, some prominent figures of the Russian nationalist movement shared their thoughts on this subject.

Chairman of the party "Great Russia" Andrei Saveliev:

- There are objective reasons for the fact that Russian nationalism is becoming the dominant worldview of our fellow citizens, although, of course, in the domestic sphere, it still looks primitive. One of the main reasons for this is rampant ethnic crime. There are lots of others that nationalists talk about every day. But there are also subjective reasons for such public support. They are generally related to the fact that Russian nationalism for many years was the main target of repression in Russia.

Hence the reason, which does not allow nationalists to create an influential organization: during all these years, a great many instigators and adventurers were introduced into the Russian movement, who literally tore the movement into pieces and eventually led him to the "belolentochnym" liberal protest. Now only begins a serious process of cleansing the movement of these ideological impurities, of adventurers who have been fooling their heads for many years.

Another subjective factor is the seduction, seduction of the leaders of the Russian movement with various posts in the public service. A number of influential people today, who were once brought up within the Russian patriotic movement, now meekly serve the interests of the ruling group, and, of course, as nationalists, they have completely discredited themselves. Behind them there is neither an understanding of what Russian nationalism is, nor a desire to support the Russian national movement: they have not been engaged in this for several years. The frontier moment here is 2007 the year when the Rodina party was defeated and the registration of the Great Russia party was denied, which tried to replace it with an already more solid ideological foundation.

So, on the one hand, there really are serious prerequisites for the fact that Russian nationalists will not only share power with United Russia, but also completely take power away from it, this party itself will be eliminated, and its leadership will fall under the policy of lustration. But, on the other hand, the current repressive activities of the Kremlin administration, the “creativity” of political technologists who organize slanderous campaigns, and the systematic destruction of Russian national organizations do not yet allow Russian nationalists to form some more or less solid organization on an even ideological and organizational basis.

Many more years will pass before the Russian movement really stands on its feet, but this, again, will occur against the background of an economic catastrophe, which this year has already fully indicated its signs. It is hoped that the formation of an influential nationalist force in these conditions will only accelerate, but, on the other hand, I would not want the nationalists to take power in the country in the context of national and economic catastrophe.

Therefore, the sooner the government comes to its senses, the sooner it stops its disastrous policy, the sooner it transfers the control of the country to the nationalists, the faster the consequences of a severe economic crisis and political unrest can be overcome.

Egor Kholmogorov, editor-in-chief of the sites “Russian Observer” and “New Chronicles”:

- If we even had a more or less transparent political system, which would not be artificially limited by any manipulations, unlawful influence of various kinds of power structures, which constantly prohibit someone, recognize as extremists, imprison, start criminal cases, and so on, if not such a deforming effect on the political situation, the more or less imputed political force of the nationalist plan would be, I think, completely the first in number and power. Because nationalists are the only force that is not afraid to talk about the pressing urgent problems that society has. And, speaking of these problems, the nationalists adhere to, in general, a fairly reasonable and adequate political program.

On the main spectrum of political issues, the position of the nationalist implies a high degree of compliance with the demands of society. Accordingly, a political nationalist force (but serious, not a clown) would almost certainly be a political leader now. But perhaps this is one of the main reasons why the authorities simply do not allow parties to take on a more or less national bias: they save potential leaders, push them out of politics, do not allow anything more or less intelligible to form in the legal field.

Against this background, another problem becomes relevant: the nationalists have already become so accustomed to the long-term underground, have developed a specific style of relations (smallness in small things, a tendency to not always adequate positions on issues not related to national issues) that they, I am afraid, simply will not have time to form into an adequate powerful political force of a nationalistic character, even if suddenly now the power will give them the opportunity to express themselves in full, will give every opportunity to convey their position to the maximum a good audience. This is a serious limitation.

Yes, it is not known how realistic the future elections will reflect the real alignment of political views in our society, but it is also not known how much the nationalists themselves are organizationally ready for political action in principle. So far, we can state the sad fact: so far no intelligible nationalist political force has been formed, and those parties that have been created have not yet been registered, and it is not known whether they will receive it.

Chairman of the Council of the National Democratic Party, President of the Russian Public Movement Konstantin Krylov:

- First of all: the opinion of society here in any case will not play a special role. Our government itself decides whom it wants to see in the State Duma, and who does not. However, of course, it can be assumed that the government will take into account the wishes and needs of citizens and at least allow those parties that can actually receive public support for the elections. In this case, if these elections are more or less fair, most likely, nationalists and their parties will be able to get enough votes to get to the Duma. This is possible, although perhaps not immediately.

But what the nationalists will do in the Duma, is already highly dependent on how many there will be in it. It is clear that this, again, does not depend on us, but on the intentions of the authorities, whether it wants to take into account the opinion of the public or would prefer to continue using the Duma as a “furious printer”. It is clear that the nationalists, to put it mildly, are not very suitable for this role. They are unlikely to stamp without looking at all the laws that power wants. And this, you see, is a completely different calico.

The modern agenda of the nationalists is the national liberation struggle aimed at social equality. The nationalists are trying to ensure that Russians in Russia are recognized as full-fledged people, that they are given the rights that some other Russian people now have, in order to equalize their rights with Caucasians. Nationalists advocate, on the one hand, for a moderate social state, and on the other, for stopping the "nightmares" of business, for more comfortable conditions for economic activity. All this does not imply any particular aggression, which the authorities are afraid of the average man. Nationalists in this regard now represent a true "party of peace", and in fact to a much greater extent than those forces that deliberately position themselves in this vein.

So nationalists do not have any brutality and aggression, but there is a bad reputation created by Kremlin political technologists, who have long convinced the entire population of the country that nationalists are people who wish evil to their own people. It is clear that this is all slander, but long and painstaking work was carried out on its creation, when nationalists were literally exposed as monsters, “covering up” legal nationalists in the actions of extremist groups, which, by and large, are not nationalistic either. They taught that the nationalist is a person who is going to beat someone, while the nationalist does not want to be beaten by him and his people.
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  1. Good man
    Good man 29 March 2013 10: 28 New
    +4
    Finally, an article about Russian nationalists, not Ukrainian. We are waiting for the angry comments of the Nazis fighters laughing
    1. BARKAS
      BARKAS 29 March 2013 10: 47 New
      +9
      Quote: Good man
      Finally, an article about Russian nationalists, not Ukrainian.

      About Russian nationalists there is nothing to write about except slogans and photos with flags, they are nothing more than glorified in history, unlike the Ukrainian and Baltic Natsiks!
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 29 March 2013 11: 16 New
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        And what is nationalism ???? In the English dictionary, a nationalist is a patriot!
        And here in Russia this concept is associated with fascism, the Nazis, Hitler and his attacks. All this is the result of the work of the sinonists. They distorted, predicted the dryness of this concept. If a party comes to power, the priority task of which is to defend the interests of the common people (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians), then the West will be thrown back to the primitive system with its own democracy. And they can’t allow this - they use ideological weapons.
        I want to warn you all right away. Do not confuse Bendery, the Balts, idlers and other criminals who are just hiding behind nationalist slogans with the true patriots of the homeland and the people!
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 29 March 2013 11: 24 New
          +8
          Quote: JonnyT
          All this is the result of the work of the sinonists.

          Look at the root comrade JonnyT drinks
        2. Skavron
          Skavron 29 March 2013 11: 35 New
          +1
          Johnny i.e. if I’m a Ukrainian nationalist, that’s good,
          and if Bendera, then bad?
          If I am a patriot of my country, can I consider myself a nationalist or not?
          How then to understand who is a good nationalist (patriot) and who is an unfinished fascist Bendera.
          You set the task however
          1. JonnyT
            JonnyT 29 March 2013 12: 02 New
            +3
            Yes, he is in difficulty! ) But I think the main thing is equality!

            In my opinion there is nothing wrong with being a Ukrainian nationalist. What is wrong in upholding the interests of our people, but do not infringe on the interests of our neighbors, other nations, living in good conscience, on the principles of good neighborliness! It is the people, not the state! If our thieves ’elite infringes on the interests of your venal and thieves’ elites, then why should ordinary people conflict over this? For many years, the Russian people got along well with other peoples, lived in peace and harmony. They fought together on the battlefields against a common enemy and feasted together!
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 29 March 2013 12: 25 New
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              Yes, Johnny, that's right. Only here is any manifestation, for example, Ukrainian nationalism-patriotism, for some reason is harshly condemned. It is not so much about Bendera people whom Russians like to trump, but ordinary Ukrainians who love their country.
              Not for nothing in the comments on the article about Ukrainian nationalists, I took an interest in Russians. I'm just interested in the opinion of the Russians ...
              As they understand Russian nationalism.
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 42 New
                +7
                Quote: Skavron
                I'm just interested in the opinion of the Russians ...
                As they understand Russian nationalism.

                The opinion of the Russians is this.
                Ukraine is the cradle of Russia.
                And therefore, every Russian is a patriot of Ukraine / Little Russia.
                Little Russians (Ukrainians), Great Russians and Belarusians are a variety of Russians.
                And these peoples are the masters of Russia, there is still a people-partner Tatars.
                Russians today are the largest divided people.
                I am writing this absolutely seriously.
                Little Russia is not from the concept of a small but from the concept of the original, root, true.
                In general, nationalism does not mean not love, or hatred of foreign nations, it is the Zionists who have distorted its meaning, which would be easier to parasitize on other nations, it simply implies love for its people.
                1. Mefodiy
                  Mefodiy 29 March 2013 14: 59 New
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                  [quote = ATATA]
                  Little Russians (Ukrainians), Great Russians and Belarusians are a variety of Russians.
                  Write, in general, beautifully, but ... the term your "species" is more from the school biology course .. hi
                  1. ATATA
                    ATATA 29 March 2013 15: 00 New
                    +2
                    So this is no offense. Just to make it clearer.
          2. ATATA
            ATATA 29 March 2013 12: 15 New
            +1
            Quote: Skavron
            You set the task however

            A good nationalist, only a Russian nationalist, everyone else is bad.
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 29 March 2013 12: 21 New
              0
              ahahaha joker however you my friend
          3. Egoza
            Egoza 29 March 2013 18: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: Skavron
            If I am a patriot of my country, can I consider myself a nationalist or not?
            How then to understand who is a good nationalist (patriot) and who is an unfinished fascist Bendera.

            Squron! You have correctly determined everything yourself. There is no difficult task here. You can and should be a nationalist patriot of your country. Only here the patriots RESPECT all the inhabitants of their country, even if they have a different nationality. They DO NOT FORCING their language, their traditions, do not ruin the monuments and do not desecrate the graves. They pay tribute to all who have truly benefited ALL the people and the whole country.
            But Bandera-unfinished fascists do not do all this. Moreover, they are capable of destroying people of their own nationality if they have a different opinion. And they are trying to spread their opinions throughout the country, regardless of the other.
            Well, who you are is up to you to decide!
            1. Skavron
              Skavron 29 March 2013 20: 59 New
              +2
              Elena, so that's the whole problem ...
              if Russian nationalism, then this is patriotism and it’s good
              and if Ukrainian nationalism, then this is not patriotism, but fascism. And glued Bender’s label.
              I’m not talking about that gang that calls itself VO freedom, but about the majority of Ukrainian citizens who do not share the views of this organized crime group ...
              1. Egoza
                Egoza 30 March 2013 00: 52 New
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                Quote: Skavron
                and if Ukrainian nationalism, then this is not patriotism, but fascism. And glued Bender’s label.

                Well, it must be stated that Ukrainian patriotism! It's just that people already confuse concepts with us. But the fact that “we are Ukrainian nationalists” are precisely these Bandera people who shout at all angles, which is why the word “nationalist” is perceived.
                1. Skavron
                  Skavron 30 March 2013 15: 07 New
                  0
                  Those. if I understood everything correctly, then it’s only the name ...
                  It would be nice for many colleagues on the forum to bring this))))))
        3. smel
          smel 29 March 2013 12: 06 New
          +2
          And what is nationalism ???? In the English explanatory dictionary, a nationalist is a patriot
          I completely agree with the comment. Thanks to the tireless work of the Jewish component of the former state, the concept of concepts has been replaced. Nationalism has become associated with something bad and shameful. Even being persecuted ... I do not see anything wrong with nationalistic ideas. Many parties should have the same goals as nationalists..About internationalism we must think when all the problems of our people are solved
        4. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 29 March 2013 12: 38 New
          +8
          Do you know how many troubles in the world the English nationalists have done? Are you offended that they are compared with the Nazis, and ask where the Nazis came from? Nationalism will not give Russia anything, it’s noodles on the ears of the layman. Look into history, even one example characterizes that nationalism will not bring any guarantee for a just society: Industrialists Demidovs are truly Russian people, but how they treated their workers, worse than slaves, worse than cattle. Or maybe someone undertakes to claim that today there are no such Demidovs? that today all Russians are simply extremely decent and fair. So you should not rely on Russian nationalism as the only hope of building a just society.
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: vladsolo56
            So you should not rely on Russian nationalism as the only hope of building a just society.

            Russian nationalism is the only hope for the preservation and development of Russia. There is no other solid rod!
            1. ATATA
              ATATA 29 March 2013 14: 39 New
              +3
              If already minus, i.e. I do not agree, so let's write what is the support of Russia in your opinion. laughing
          2. alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 31 March 2013 22: 58 New
            +3
            Quote: vladsolo56
            Nationalism will not give Russia anything, it’s noodles on the ears of the layman. Look into history, even one example characterizes that nationalism will not bring any guarantee for a just society: Industrialists Demidovs are truly Russian people, but how they treated their workers, worse than slaves, worse than cattle.

            example, .............. a trader always cares about profit at all costs and you do not need to compare the Khazar-stricken plague (trade + if you remember bad metal for guns to the sovereign, good for good grandmas abroad - patriots , especially why nationalists) Russian nationalism is really aimed at upholding the rights of Russians in Russia (damn paradox)
            and Ukrainians still do not understand and will not understand us for one simple reason, they are one people living in a country where the president, prime minister, parliament are 97% Ukrainians fighting among themselves for the right to protect the rights of Ukrainians, (everyone has their own methods) and oligarchs have they are Ukrainian (for the most part), you have everything Ukrainian and for Ukrainians and the same situation in our Tatarstan, Chuvashia, Bashkiria, Dagestan and even in Adygea, but if you notice that after the revolution the Russians lost their country and now the Russians do not have a president, Premiere, parliament everywhere the international organized by the SI, and gradually the Russians disappear ---------------- We have an international GENOCIDE. So, dear international residents of the forum, before throwing a stone (or minus the supporters of patriotism) compare the life of ethnic representatives in your country and the life of Russians in Russia.
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger April 1 2013 10: 31 New
              +3
              Why rub it here, Sash. For a long time, forks and axes did not conveniently lie in the hand. Someone forgot that the "Russian rebellion" is very intolerant in its essence. And not for the African money, but for the gray-blue eyes of our (Slavic) children, their golden-brown hair, snub-nosed noses, etc. RIGHT features of muzzles.
              Fists clench, an evil squint appears and the nodules on the cheekbones begin to "play meaningfully"! It would be time to wait for a "bright (Asian-Caucasian ?????) future." To start earlier - to finish earlier.

              This directly concerns me, because my boys are also with gray-green-blue eyes. Maybe I'm better for them than they are for themselves. . . . . . .
        5. Russian
          Russian 29 March 2013 13: 39 New
          +2
          Absolutely agree! When our government begins to defend the interests of its citizens and its country, and not seek benefits in everything, our country will become a Great Power! Naturally, the West cannot allow this.
        6. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 31 March 2013 22: 12 New
          +1
          Quote: JonnyT

          And what is nationalism ???? In the English dictionary, a nationalist is a patriot!
          And here in Russia this concept is associated with fascism, the Nazis, Hitler and his attacks. All this is the result of the work of the sinonists. They distorted, predicted the dryness of this concept. If a party comes to power, the priority task of which is to defend the interests of the common people (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians), then the West will be thrown back to the primitive system with its own democracy. And they can’t allow this - they use ideological weapons.
          1. Anti
            Anti 31 March 2013 23: 48 New
            0
            Quote: alexandr00070
            alexandr00070 (2) RU Today, 22:12


            Hostile forces have long understood the difference between small and large nations, and use this experience to destroy unwanted states, supporting small nations against large ones, inspiring the “struggle for independence and freedom”, introducing corrupting “universal values” and “political correctness”. If support is given to the "small" nations in their egoism, they will be able to destroy any state that they are part of without creating anything in return. It remains only to "come and take." Whatever you say, for several thousand years, the divide and conquer technique has been brought to perfection, and is used today in the most active way to eliminate competitors. Unfortunately, we now have a good example of using tribal nationalism for destructive purposes in Russia. Nationalism is a disease, a virus, transforming into fascism, which must be burned with a hot iron.

            And what is nationalism ???? In the English dictionary, a nationalist is a patriot!


            Also, a nationalist worldview was brilliantly formulated by one English writer at the beginning of our century: "I love my daughter more than my cousin, and my cousin more than my neighbor, but honestly, this does not mean that I hate my neighbor." (V. Makhnach.)
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 2 2013 22: 16 New
              0
              Quote: Anti
              Also, a nationalist worldview was brilliantly formulated by one English writer at the beginning of our century: "I love my daughter more than my cousin, and my cousin more than my neighbor, but honestly, this does not mean that I hate my neighbor." (V. Makhnach.)
          2. Rustiger
            Rustiger April 1 2013 10: 46 New
            0
            We will strengthen the effect of visual propaganda, t.s. "pokukryniksim" a bit. . .
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 April 2 2013 22: 14 New
              0
              Quote: Rustiger
              We will strengthen the effect of visual propaganda, t.s. "pokukryniksim" a bit. . .


              without it, it’s boring here, and you can say a lot with a picture
              here for example
    2. Russian
      Russian 29 March 2013 11: 12 New
      +6
      In my opinion, these are completely different things! Ukrainian nationalists glorify all sorts of SS divisions, and in this spirit, who aimed at the destruction of the Slavic people, and are Russian nationalists really like that? At the moment, they are paying attention to the fact that the Russians in their country are becoming strangers, they are hiring cheap labor, why pay the local population? And if you start to be indignant, then tum you 282 article with all that it implies. We are now being called for tolerance and tolerance, and in the meantime, there is an active decline in the Russian population, its replacement with other peoples, that there were loud slogans that we got out of the demographic pit nonsense, since this increase was provided by people born at the peak of birth 80s, and visiting migrants. And you suggest to sit idly by? Then look at all this? I go to a training session at the Olimpiysky sports complex, so they build a huge mosque nearby, they ask, why do this in the city center ?? You walk along the street, as if in a Central Asian country!
      Representation of nationalists should be in the State Duma, only naturally not fanatics calling for massacre, but sensible smart people who love their homeland and will defend the interests of their people.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 29 March 2013 11: 33 New
        +1
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        Ukrainian nationalists glorify all sorts of SS divisions, and in this spirit, whose goal was the destruction of the Slavic people, and are Russian nationalists really like that? At the moment, they are paying attention to the fact that the Russians in their country are becoming strangers, they are hiring cheap labor, why pay the local population? And if you start to be indignant, then tum you 282 article with all that it implies. We are now being called for tolerance and tolerance, and in the meantime, there is an active decline in the Russian population, its replacement with other peoples, that there were loud slogans that we got out of the demographic pit nonsense, since this increase was provided by people born at the peak of birth 80s, and visiting migrants. And you suggest to sit idly by?

        It’s just that Ukrainian nationalists started earlier, and so they moved on wink And to oppose one nationalism to another is the same as to set fire to a forest that has burnt out from the other end (counter-fall, the so-called). Yes, it will stop the spread of fire, but as a result there will be ashes. It is necessary to crush the local Natsik from the diasporas, and not put together their own
        1. Russian
          Russian 29 March 2013 12: 21 New
          +2
          Hmm, these nationalists whom you propose to crush have come up with the initiative to introduce a visa regime with the countries of Central Asia, which is already supported at the highest level. It is necessary to press liberals and democrats who brought the country to such a state! And then they put monuments to them.
        2. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 21 New
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          It’s just that Ukrainian nationalists started earlier, and they have moved on. And to oppose one nationalism to another is the same as setting fire to a burning forest from the other end (counter-fall, the so-called). Yes, it will stop the spread of fire, but as a result there will be ashes. It is necessary to crush the local Natsik from the diasporas, and not put together their own

          Pal always helps, and the ashes are an ideal place for the growth of birches (beautiful birch forests), and only well-organized, ideally savvy, morally stable community of people can crush small-town Natsiks
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 29 March 2013 12: 40 New
        0
        What a mistake, any nationalists should gain power as the heroes immediately emerge, and it doesn’t matter that they have their hands to the elbow in blood, but they were nationalists
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 07 New
          +5
          Quote: vladsolo56
          What a fallacy

          I agree with you. You are deeply mistaken.
          Google the great Russian nationalists, and preferably in Yandex. Google is a Zionist project and in it infa is distorted ..
          They Russian nationalists created Russia as big as it was!
          Do not confuse with the scarecrow that modern media present to us.
        2. Russian
          Russian 29 March 2013 13: 11 New
          0
          And what do you suggest? I think the authorities themselves are pushing people to this, because if these problems were not so acute, then there would be no nationalists as such. This whole situation is compounded by the fact that the media are actively inciting ethnic hatred, of course it is clear to whom it is beneficial. But the authorities should take an active position on this issue, and comply with the interests of all parties, and not like now, huge amounts of money go to the Caucasus in the hands of local criminal authorities, but they don’t reach the population, every garbage goes here and sets its own conditions, because they understand only power, and we give them money to buy only a helmet! If the government is inactive, people have no choice but to start doing something themselves, because in order for the criminal case to be honestly investigated, it is necessary to raise public fuss, otherwise everything will be quietly slowed down.
    3. Skavron
      Skavron 29 March 2013 11: 22 New
      0
      Probably at my request))
    4. domokl
      domokl 29 March 2013 11: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Good man
      We are waiting for the angry comments of the Nazis fighters
      What is this article? Continuous conversations and wishes .. Russian nationalism now even in dreams cannot compare with parliamentary Ukrainian ...
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 29 March 2013 12: 05 New
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        Quote: domokl
        parliamentary Ukrainian ...

        well, if in a quantitative ratio, then superior
        and if in gorlopanstvo, then yes, the Russians are far from tyagnibokovets
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 31 New
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          Quote: Skavron
          and if in gorlopanstvo, then yes, the Russians are far from tyagnibokovets

          Russians in the Russian parliament, in percentage terms, are much smaller than Ukrainians in Ukrainian, our Khazars in parliament quietly make their own gesheft. And your parliamentarians sit in the best traditions of the Novgorod chamber (well, at least we know from movies and history, if you often remember the people he drove the princes from Kiev, and they again took power to the Poles and their “bayonets”, and they drove them out again, well, it’s true according to Karamzin), so it’s not known where the traditions of Russia are better preserved
    5. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 29 March 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      There is no sense in anger either, power should not be transferred to nationalists, but to professionals, specialists: specialists in economics, military affairs, and law enforcement. It doesn’t matter what nationality they will be, the main thing is that they would be deeply decent, fair people, and as I have already specified, they are necessarily specialists. And there are such people in the country. Why they are not attracted, everyone is just outside the party, outside politics, they have their own opinion independent of the leadership, based on science and experience.
      1. ATATA
        ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        and as I have already specified, necessarily specialists

        Spies and traitors, the same experts.
        1. vladsolo56
          vladsolo56 29 March 2013 18: 06 New
          +1
          and among the nationalists there are no spies and no traitors? here it is utter stupidity
          1. ATATA
            ATATA 29 March 2013 18: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: vladsolo56
            and among the nationalists there are no spies and no traitors? here it is utter stupidity

            I think you’ll write anything just against it.
            1. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 29 March 2013 18: 15 New
              -1
              I just lived a lot, and learned to understand people. in addition, I learned to think, compare and analyze, and not to shout slogans and look into the "authorities" in my mouth
              1. ATATA
                ATATA 29 March 2013 19: 09 New
                +1
                Quote: vladsolo56

                I just lived a lot, and learned to understand people. in addition, I learned to think, compare and analyze, and not to shout slogans and look into the "authorities" in my mouth

                I must say that you value yourself quite highly and underestimate others beyond measure. hi
    6. Nevsky
      Nevsky 29 March 2013 15: 16 New
      +4
      Ukrainian nationalists fans beat to death the employee of the stadium Dynamo Kiev named after Lobanovsky for the fact that he pulled the banner of Shukhevych from the rostrum. He was of Soviet views, not Russian nationalist. Although right now it’s fashionable in the internet to say that supposedly Russian and Ukrainian nationalists quickly find a language for communication, and amicably merge about Soviet people ... they have no place in the world of nationalists

      1. Arkan
        Arkan 29 March 2013 16: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Nevsky
        Ukrainian nationalists fans beat to death the employee of the stadium Dynamo Kiev named after

        In Odessa (and in other regions), groups of volunteers are already being formed to counter these creatures. But it seems that these idiots were "untwisted" in order to cause a confrontation in society.
        1. alexandr00070
          alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 36 New
          0
          Quote: Arkan
          In Odessa (and in other regions), groups of volunteers are already being formed to counter these creatures. But it seems that these idiots were "untwisted" in order to cause a confrontation in society.

          behind many radical nationalist movements, in all countries are Zionist money - only they benefit from a mess in the world
  2. Orik
    Orik 29 March 2013 10: 31 New
    20
    If those Natsik, who are depicted in the photo and their "leaders", then this will only accelerate the catastrophe. To lead the country out of crisis, these are not slogans to yell under the imperial flag.
    1. domokl
      domokl 29 March 2013 11: 35 New
      +3
      Quote: Orik
      To lead the country out of crisis, these are not slogans to yell under the imperial flag.
      The article, in my opinion, is for this purpose placed so that we can see the attempts of the Natsik leaders to somehow show their strength ... 20 years and there was nothing but negativity in this movement
  3. FED
    FED 29 March 2013 10: 31 New
    +3
    And then who is Putin? , you can’t openly advertise yourself from such a position, otherwise it will be a massacre
    stop
  4. Fregate
    Fregate 29 March 2013 10: 34 New
    +3
    Nationalists need to be put in the field of arms purchases for the army, maybe then we will rearm faster, although who knows. request
    1. shurup
      shurup 29 March 2013 11: 03 New
      +3
      G. Goering showed himself very well in the field of arms production and procurement. In addition, he collected a unique collection of works of art from all accessible territories, which characterizes him as a cultural and moral person. G. Goering tirelessly devoted his free time from the hunting grounds of his castles to resolving the problems of the prosperity of the German nation and constantly improving the well-being of every German, especially on the Eastern Front.
      It was strange to see such a patriotic personality on a bench in Nuremberg.
      1. Ali Baba
        Ali Baba 29 March 2013 11: 17 New
        0
        Quote: shurup
        G. Goering showed himself very well in the field of arms production and procurement. In addition, he collected a unique collection of works of art from all accessible territories, which characterizes him as a cultural and moral person. G. Goering tirelessly devoted his free time from the hunting grounds of his castles to resolving the problems of the prosperity of the German nation and constantly improving the well-being of every German, especially on the Eastern Front.
        It was strange to see such a patriotic personality on a bench in Nuremberg.

        YES, and he like him ki crushed a bunch of Soviet people and how he ended up in court so much injustice ... ah ah ... it’s out of order. By the way, if this patriot would have made his way to Deutsche and would have called you Hansik mean, or do you like it?
      2. Skavron
        Skavron 29 March 2013 11: 25 New
        -1
        Wow! Shurup, is it serious ???
      3. Arkan
        Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 22 New
        0
        Quote: shurup
        It was strange to see such a patriotic personality on a bench in Nuremberg.

        good Your subtle humor !!! laughing
    2. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 39 New
      0
      Quote: Fregate
      Nationalists need to be put in the field of arms purchases for the army, maybe then we will rearm faster, although who knows.

      Yes, thank God Rogozin appeared there and things went
  5. ATATA
    ATATA 29 March 2013 10: 47 New
    +4
    "Nationalism in me is so natural that no internationalists can ever knock me out of it."

    Dmitry Mendeleev. "To the knowledge of Russia .1906
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 29 March 2013 12: 42 New
      0
      And that Mendeleev is the smartest man on earth, maybe the fairest?
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 29 March 2013 13: 03 New
        +2
        Quote: vladsolo56
        And that Mendeleev is the smartest man on earth, maybe the fairest?

        But not the most stupid one! Just a modern person looks at the past from the height of his worldview, forgetting that in the past people lived in another world. Greek democracies, for example, slave states ...
      2. ATATA
        ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 10 New
        +3
        Quote: vladsolo56

        And that Mendeleev is the smartest man on earth, maybe the fairest?

        But shaw you are smarter, or fairer. In general, who are you to judge Mendeleev? This is no offense.
        Well, Mendeleev is not an authority.
        1. "Russia - for Russians and in Russian" - Alexander III, Russian Tsar.

        2. "Nationalism in me is so natural that it will never be possible for any internationalists to erase it from me" - D. Mendeleev, Russian chemist.

        3. "I am ready to write Russia on my banner for Russians and in Russian, and raise this banner as high as possible" - M. Skobelev, Russian General, Hero of the Russian-Turkish War.

        4. "We are called to create our own and in our own way, Russian in Russian" - I. Ilyin, Russian philosopher.

        5. "We are Russian and therefore will win" - A. Suvorov, the great Russian commander.

        6. "A people that does not have a national identity - there is manure on which other peoples grow" - Stolypin P.A., statesman.

        7. "The master of Russia is only Russian, so it is and always should be" - Dostoevsky F. M., Russian writer.

        8. “The greatness, power and wealth of the whole state consists in the preservation and propagation of the Russian people” - MV Lomonosov, Russian natural scientist.

        >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

        >>>>>>>>>>>>

        V.V. Putin: "Russia for Russians - they say either provocateurs"
  6. Pacifist
    Pacifist 29 March 2013 10: 50 New
    +7
    Rave. Nationalism is an extremely destructive phenomenon. At the heart of this phenomenon is the psychology of the baboon in the struggle to limit the diversity of the herd. Reason didn’t sleep there. Ideas of this kind tend to indulge individuals uneducated and aggressive. The coming of these to power has never led to anything good. Only to blood and rollback. The idea is very simple, tell the stupid that if you live in shit, it’s not you who is to blame, but ... it doesn’t matter who ... this one .. with big ears ... these creatures with big ears filled everything ... here it’s not and their life will turn into paradise ... beat them ... and stupid bylo. begins to support with screams ... it's so simple, "it's not me stupid, these bitch with big ears do not give me life .." only as history shows, even if you lime everyone with big ears, the dumb one will not become smarter. Just because he doesn’t want, it’s easier for him to look for reasons in others, and not start with himself.

    Patriotism is the more right direction. There is at least a little more reason and constructiveness.
    1. Ali Baba
      Ali Baba 29 March 2013 11: 05 New
      +4
      Quote: Pacifist
      Patriotism is the more right direction. There is at least a little more reason and constructiveness.

      Standing applaud you ...
      Quote: Pacifist
      even if you lime everyone with big ears, the dumb one won’t become smarter.

      Speak the truth dear ... it's nice to read an intelligent person, but as I see it, you are cruelly minus ...
      1. zambo
        zambo 29 March 2013 11: 18 New
        +1
        The pacifist (Winnie the Pooh) is "minuscule", mainly for the word "delirium", which in this context is insulting.

        For both of you above is a great comment from Fkenshen13

        “At its core, nationalism preaches fidelity and devotion to its nation, political independence and work for the benefit of its own people, cultural and spiritual growth, the unification of national identity for the practical protection of the living conditions of the nation, its territory of residence, economic resources and spiritual values. It is based on national a feeling that is akin to patriotism. This ideology seeks to unite different sectors of society, regardless of opposing class interests. It was able to ensure the mobilization of the population for common political goals during the transition to a capitalist economy. "
        Nationalism is a completely healthy ideology, xenophobes and Nazis are the black sheep in this collective, you should not judge by them.
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 29 March 2013 11: 21 New
      +5
      Quote: Pacifist
      Nationalism is an extremely destructive phenomenon.

      Quote: Pacifist
      Patriotism is the more right direction.

      The USSR existed without nationalism, but with patriotism. The USSR collapsed when Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic, Belorussian, Caucasian, Central Asian nationalism began to develop according to American manuals. Today - Russian nationalism - tomorrow - a lot of subcurrents - nationalism of Tataria, Mari-El, Sakha-Yakutia ... Brzezinski’s dream will come true with its unforgettable “chessboard”. Patriotism is a unifying idea, nationalism is complementary, Nazism is abolishing all social prohibitions. Isolated nationalism disintegrates any multi-ethnic structure.
    3. tan0472
      tan0472 29 March 2013 12: 13 New
      +3
      Quote: Pacifist
      Patriotism is the more right direction. There is at least a little more reason and constructiveness.

      Totally agree with you. Only everyone should be patriots. It wouldn’t turn out that while you develop patriotism in yourself, in order to fully meet the adversary, some develop nationalism in themselves. "For May, May of the Republic of Darozhe Usy Rassiya. Panamy, huh?"
    4. 123dv
      123dv 29 March 2013 14: 53 New
      0
      Winnie the Pooh didn’t let us down!
  7. zambo
    zambo 29 March 2013 10: 51 New
    +6
    And who do you mean by nationalists?

    I believe that a nationalist, first of all, is an IMPERIAN who takes care of his soul and deeds for the benefit and prosperity of Russia, his homeland, and it does not matter which ethnic group this person belongs to.

    The Limonovs, Udaltsovs, and others consider themselves nationalists too, so it’s not that they should not be allowed to run the country, run a chicken coop.

    In general, the article is "unclear", provokes collisions in the comments, how many people, so many opinions.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 29 March 2013 11: 04 New
      +2
      From the point of view of nationalists, Russians and everyone else are two fundamentally different societies, standing at fundamentally different stages of development. The interests of the Russian nation and Russian society are primary, therefore, with many problems in Russia, spending our "limited" resources also on the modernization of the Caucasus, Central Asia, etc. , unacceptable. Central Russia and national republics require completely different governance models, some of which are partial autonomy or complete independence, with limited rights (primarily in the right to free movement) and increased control over arrivals, at least for the first time. First of all, in relation to the above-mentioned peoples. And what contradicts the norms of coexistence when nationalism as a concept is not equated with love for HIS MOTHERLAND, but exclusively as chauvinism, fascism, and the like?

      For example, Puerto Rico is part of the United States, but is not a US state, and Puerto Rico residents, having American citizenship, are at the same time deprived of many basic civil rights, including even the right to vote in the US presidential election. Lagging behind the level of socio-economic development from the main states of the United States, Puerto Rico has a special status - Puerto Ricans do not pay taxes, but at the same time do not receive federal subsidies and generally live in the USA with their money on bird rights.
      1. zambo
        zambo 29 March 2013 11: 21 New
        -3
        You tell this to our Great Ancestors, who for centuries have multiplied and transformed Russia by joining new lands.

        "Minus" to you for your comment.
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 29 March 2013 11: 53 New
          +4
          tell our Great ancestors, transformed Russia by joining new lands.

          That is what my great ancestors would say now, seeing that instead of joining with the connivance of the government, a latent annexation (occupation) of RUSSIA, previously "annexed", has turned out. They should have been happy when they saw a crowd of screaming shaurmen throwing huge knives into the trees next to the benches, near the recently shabby “Shish kebab” instead of “Juice-water”. The ancestors would have been delighted with the painting "Taj on a halt" right next to the kindergarten in the park, where they are eating a freshly slaughtered ram.
          When my one grandfather freed Moldova and Romania (for example, the Caucasus), he assumed that he would occasionally go to visit them. But he would have been incredibly happy now if he had learned that all the outskirts had come to visit him. They spoil here, establish their Abrek laws, tear off the earrings in the evenings from his granddaughters (along with his ears), take away their phones and immediately dump them on their “historical homelands” and are not going to stop doing this.
          The Russians did not have a MOTHERLAND, it was replaced by an ephemeral ROSES FOR EVERYONE. When crowds of unaccounted for Chuchmeks drive hundreds every day into the shine as if they were hunting, so that after a quiet dump, this is called SAFARI !!!
          And if I said this, they immediately stuck my Heroic ancestors (who were also NATIONALISTS) as a label, trying to shut me up with this, but they themselves were among enslaved and offended!
          "Plus" to you for this !!!
          1. zambo
            zambo 29 March 2013 13: 48 New
            0
            Rustaiger, that’s what happens when you get involved in commenting on provocative articles (he refused, no, bl .., climbed in).

            After all, We, in fact, are talking about the same thing, just somewhere we misunderstood each other. I myself know that Our grandfathers in tombs are turned over from what is happening in the country. Having been born in the USSR, I found a time when we, as a whole family, went to Kizlyar, Grozny, and Mozdok (living in the Stavropol Territory) for a weekend, being afraid of nothing and anyone, because all the people were Soviet, and in the current "shitty" time they got out all kinds of people who shouted "For the Caucasus without Russians" or vice versa "For Russia without blacks", these creatures must be crushed.

            We Russians have always been famous for taking small ethnic groups under their wing, saving them from destruction and forced assimilation, but these ethnic groups have not always answered us kindly.

            Something like this ..., with respect, Zamba.
          2. zambo
            zambo 29 March 2013 13: 50 New
            +6
            Rustaiger, that’s what happens when you get involved in commenting on provocative articles (he refused, no, bl .., climbed in).

            After all, We, in fact, are talking about the same thing, just somewhere we misunderstood each other. I myself know that Our grandfathers in tombs are turned over from what is happening in the country. Having been born in the USSR, I found a time when we, as a whole family, went to Kizlyar, Grozny, and Mozdok (living in the Stavropol Territory) for a weekend, being afraid of nothing and anyone, because all the people were Soviet, and in the current "shitty" time they got out all kinds of people who shouted "For the Caucasus without Russians" or vice versa "For Russia without blacks", these creatures must be crushed.

            We Russians have always been famous for taking small ethnic groups under their wing, saving them from destruction and forced assimilation, but these ethnic groups have not always answered us kindly.

            Something like this ..., with respect, Zamba.
          3. ATATA
            ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 56 New
            +2
            Quote: Rustiger
            The Russians did not have a MOTHERLAND, it was replaced by an ephemeral ROSES FOR EVERYONE.

            The homeland of the Russians, this is all of Russia including the USSR, those who want to create a Russian republic, these are the worst enemies of the Russians.
            And by the way, your nickname Rustiger just as ancestors would not lead.
            Since it is not written in Russian. Well isn't that so?
            1. Rustiger
              Rustiger 30 March 2013 07: 25 New
              +2
              those who want to create a Russian republic are the worst enemies of the Russians.

              Someone may "want", but not me. Pointing to "even greater independence", measures meant to tighten the so-called. “screening” not only from uncontrolled migration, but also about cases when unregistered antisocial types penetrate, exclusively for the purpose of “hunting”.
              The termination of "monetary debauchery" in the Caucasian republics, with "increased reproduction," by creating there SPECIFICALLY SPECIFIC PRODUCTIONS.
              The Russian Republic means the destruction of small-town behests и duchies , replacement of regions with provinces united by territorial and economic principles.
              Unfortunately, it is time to forget about the USSR as a unique case on the planet. And to create something similar in the crayfish of Russia, but with different laws aimed at stopping the erosion of Russian culture and traditions in areas where they have always been traditional (Siberia, the Urals. Valdai, Far East, etc.).

              And, by the way, your upstream posts, I "plus", because largely agree.

              And by the way, your nickname Rustaiger would also not have delighted ancestors.
              Since it is not written in Russian. Well isn't that so?


              As noted, this is just a NIC; I have some reasons for using it. I have to believe you. Besides him, I have both a name and a surname !!!!! And even (???) Middle name (!!!!). fellow
              Well, you can listen to your advice on choosing a forum nickname.
              Only options such as "JRs49 ISh№> sY37 @ | YZh" or "MUTATA" will not be considered. . .))))))) hi stop laughing

              / thoughtfully, with horror /
              "It’s good that he didn’t pay attention to my picture on the avatar !!!" good
    2. Per se.
      Per se. 29 March 2013 12: 14 New
      +3
      Quote: zamboy
      And who do you mean by nationalists?
      We must understand, dear Zamba, that nationalists have a primary indicator of involvement in a certain nation. The final pearl from the article, “They taught that a nationalist is a person who is going to beat someone, while a nationalist does not want to be beaten his and his people. ", and he doesn’t care about other people of Russia, let this sadden other nationalists. This is the difference between a nationalist and a patriot. I am for an empire, but not an empire of skinhead downs with inferiority complexes, which besides being involved in a great nation have nothing more to be proud of in themselves. The article, as you noted, is "unclear" and not only, it is frankly provocative for multinational Russia, and, especially, the alleged empire. Natsik, like lice and fleas, is an indicator of the disease of society, its moral unsanitary conditions. There’s a cure for the disease, there will be Dr. Aybolit, nothing can break off here for the State Deputies six, they will not ruin Russia.
      1. zambo
        zambo 29 March 2013 13: 24 New
        +1
        That's it, dear pere se., I said about this that Russia is a multinational country, and that any resident, regardless of nationality, is considered a Russian or, more recently, Soviet person, and the Empire "skinhead downs with inferiority complexes"as you put it, nobody needs anyone, and after all, Russian nationalists, as a rule, are represented just like that.
  8. evgenii67
    evgenii67 29 March 2013 10: 52 New
    +3
    Hello everyone! I put a plus, some moments are confusing, but what I especially liked: “The nationalists' current agenda is a national liberation struggle aimed at social equality. Nationalists are seeking to recognize Russians in Russia as full-fledged people, to give them the rights that some other Russian peoples now have, to equalize at least Caucasians. " Well, just because of illiteracy, many equate nationalism with fascism, although as some behave, who call themselves a nationalist throwing up their hands (greetings you know who), then you want to flush a brick with such people. In general, the topic is slippery and many who are in the ranks of nationalists do not inspire confidence (for example: frank fascists, skins, those whom a friend just brought into their ranks ....)
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 29 March 2013 11: 03 New
      +6
      Quote: evgenii67
      In general, the topic is slippery and many who are in the ranks of nationalists do not inspire confidence

      This topic was slippery made by globalists, read Zionists. Healthy nationalism is a natural source of love for the motherland. Of course, those who do not have a homeland, that is, nomadic Jews, do not need it.
  9. Fox
    Fox 29 March 2013 10: 52 New
    11
    in Russia, Russians do not have "their" land, but there is a wonderful article 282. so what is nationalism?
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 29 March 2013 11: 06 New
      +5
      Quote: Fox
      in Russia, Russians do not have "their" land

      All Russia is the land of the Russians, only I have to say thanks to the communists for the national reservations / republics. They must be abolished. As long as there is an administrative division of Russia on a national basis, until then, under Russia lies a mine of decay.
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 29 March 2013 11: 37 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        thanks to the communists for the national reservations / republics. They must be abolished.

        Do you mean the regions of modern Russia?
  10. VadimSt
    VadimSt 29 March 2013 10: 54 New
    +3
    Oh well! It is easy to stir up a multinational "anthill", even in a unitary state, not to mention the Russian Federation!
    It is easier to bring the legislation of all national entities to federal. Without any "identities", "exclusivities", priorities, etc.
  11. sergo0000
    sergo0000 29 March 2013 10: 59 New
    +1
    I don’t know, I don’t know! Once I voted for Rogozin's Rodina party.
    I think if he would revive her again, he would vote again!
    1. zambo
      zambo 29 March 2013 11: 31 New
      0
      I also voted for "Homeland" and to a greater extent for Glazyev, who was then "pushed".
  12. carver
    carver 29 March 2013 11: 01 New
    +1
    personally, while nationalists practically do not come across to me, everyone with whom I did not communicate ended up slipping into Nazi or even fascist slogans and ideas. All these uplifting hands in greeting and with a characteristic cry also always prove that they are nationalists. I personally consider myself a nationalist, but I do not want to relate to the existing political forces in the country with this bias.
  13. воронов
    воронов 29 March 2013 11: 04 New
    +5
    Nationalism in Russia, no matter where it comes from, is still not popular today
    1. ATATA
      ATATA 29 March 2013 11: 18 New
      +5
      Quote: voronov
      Nationalism in Russia, no matter where it comes from, is still not popular today

      Because you do not know what nationalism is! they show you clowns and fascists and say that these are nationalists.
      Alexander 3 was a nationalist, Mendeleev was a nationalist ...
      Teach history do not get fooled by globolists who hang labels.
      Nationalism and Nazism / Fascism are two big differences!
      And by the way, the most ardent Nazis are the Zionists!
      1. alexandr00070
        alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 48 New
        0
        Quote: ATATA
        Alexander 3 was a nationalist, Mendeleev was a nationalist ...

        well, Mendeleev had good teachers

        “The childhood of D. I. Mendeleev coincided with the time of the exiled Decembrists in Siberia. A. M. Muravyov, P. N. Svistunov, M. A. Fonvizin lived in Tobolsk province. Dmitry Ivanovich’s sister, Olga, became the wife of a former member of the Southern Society N. Basargin, and they lived for a long time in Yalutorovsk next to I. I. Pushchin, with whom they provided the Mendeleev family with help, which became urgent after the death of Ivan Pavlovich. "
  14. krokodil25
    krokodil25 29 March 2013 11: 04 New
    +2
    Quote: evgenii67
    but what I especially liked: "The nationalists' modern agenda is a national liberation struggle aimed at social equality. Nationalists are seeking to recognize Russians in Russia as full-fledged people, to give them the rights that some other Russian peoples now have, to equalize at least with the Caucasians. "



    What are these rights that they have an Internet with us?
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 29 March 2013 11: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: krokodil25
      What are these rights that they have an Internet with us

      1.a you will live in Dagestan, Ingushetia ..... if you are killed or maimed (God forbid), then in the best case it will be regarded as a hooligan.
      2. In Petersburg or in any other place, this will happen, only exactly the opposite (the well-known article), ie they can be humiliated, beaten, crippled, killed on the national basis precisely on national ground; this will be, as I wrote above, a hooligan
      3. try to start a business where all areas are already located in the representatives of the above. that’s not all, but I think it will be enough, so now NASHIS will blame
      1. MVS
        MVS 29 March 2013 11: 45 New
        +1
        Quote: evgenii67
        Quote: krokodil25
        What are these rights that they have an Internet with us

        1.a you will live in Dagestan, Ingushetia ..... if you are killed or maimed (God forbid), then in the best case it will be regarded as a hooligan.
        2. In Petersburg or in any other place, this will happen, only exactly the opposite (the well-known article), ie they can be humiliated, beaten, crippled, killed on the national basis precisely on national ground; this will be, as I wrote above, a hooligan
        3. try to start a business where all areas are already located in the representatives of the above. that’s not all, but I think it will be enough, so now NASHIS will blame

        Well, I live in one of the republics of the North Caucasus Federal District, so what? THERE IS NOTHING IN THE WESTERN CAUCASUS. For reference, there are more than 3 republics of the North Caucasus Federal District (Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia).
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 29 March 2013 11: 53 New
          0
          Quote: MVS
          For reference - there are more than 3 republics of the North Caucasus Federal District

          I know
          just took the most "problematic" - Chechnya, Dagestan, Ingushetia
          1. MVS
            MVS 29 March 2013 12: 05 New
            0
            Chechnya is now the most "trouble free". There are a lot of security officials. Wahhabis are a separate phenomenon; they don’t pull on ordinary citizens. I regularly see articles on the Internet about the reduction of the Russian population in the republics of the Western Caucasus. But this is a blatant lie, if interested, look at the statistics (even in the most deceitful of all that I have seen, the growth of the Russian population is recorded).
            1. alexandr00070
              alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 57 New
              +1
              Quote: MVS
              Chechnya is now the most "trouble free". There are a lot of security officials. Wahhabis are a separate phenomenon; they don’t pull on ordinary citizens. I regularly see articles on the Internet about the reduction of the Russian population in the republics of the Western Caucasus. But this is a blatant lie, if interested, look at the statistics (even in the most deceitful of all that I have seen, the growth of the Russian population is recorded).

              well, lying means ............................................ .
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 29 March 2013 13: 53 New
          +6
          THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CAUCASUS


          Sorry, but you seemed to have flown to us from a 60-70 time machine.
          Let me remind you only a couple of cases. At the end of last year, somewhere in central Russia, an Armenian in his kitchen, with a knife, grounded earthed THREE local scumbag bites that broke into him with the aim of pinching something there on a dummy. It was first closed, but the diaspora raised such a howl in all the media that they didn’t even get a clue about it (?) - self-defense !!!
          And after the new year in Karachay-Cherkessia, one Cossack kid (with a friend) kept the defense of his house from 9 !!! abreks who had already knocked out doors and windows, and reached their wife with a child. Then, from a hunting rifle, he shot towards the car with the chuchmeks and RANDOM! valnul one of them. For this to him five!!!!!!!!!!!!!! years old. Moreover, a rumor flew over that they want to send them to prison, to the Caucasus — read for certain death. In tyrnete they collected money for lawyers, he sent a couple of thousand, he received SMSku from his wife with gratitude. And how else can I help. I am skinhead natsik fool
          What I say, type in the search for Eugene Strigin - you will learn a lot of interesting things about the Caucasian Tolerast.

          I will add to the above. If there were judges and cops in Russia (and not just in capital cases), every visiting bastard would know that you can’t drag a simple girl into the car (apparently only for the purpose of declaration of love), you can not dance wild dances in the subway and shoot from cars at weddings, you can’t slaughter rams in playgrounds, etc.
          1. MVS
            MVS 29 March 2013 14: 13 New
            0
            Quote: Rustiger
            THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CAUCASUS


            Sorry, but you seemed to have flown to us from a 60-70 time machine.
            Let me remind you only a couple of cases. At the end of last year, somewhere in central Russia, an Armenian in his kitchen, with a knife, grounded earthed THREE local scumbag bites that broke into him with the aim of pinching something there on a dummy. It was first closed, but the diaspora raised such a howl in all the media that they didn’t even get a clue about it (?) - self-defense !!!
            And after the new year in Karachay-Cherkessia, one Cossack kid (with a friend) kept the defense of his house from 9 !!! abreks who had already knocked out doors and windows, and reached their wife with a child. Then, from a hunting rifle, he shot towards the car with the chuchmeks and RANDOM! valnul one of them. For this to him five!!!!!!!!!!!!!! years old. Moreover, a rumor flew over that they want to send them to prison, to the Caucasus — read for certain death. In tyrnete they collected money for lawyers, he sent a couple of thousand, he received SMSku from his wife with gratitude. And how else can I help. I am skinhead natsik fool
            What I say, type in the search for Eugene Strigin - you will learn a lot of interesting things about the Caucasian Tolerast.

            I will add to the above. If there were judges and cops in Russia (and not just in capital cases), every visiting bastard would know that you can’t drag a simple girl into the car (apparently only for the purpose of declaration of love), you can not dance wild dances in the subway and shoot from cars at weddings, you can’t slaughter rams in playgrounds, etc.

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            I did not say anything about the fact that you are a "skinhead natsik". As for what you cited as an example, this happens when Russians cling to Russians and Caucasians to Caucasians. It is not a matter of nationality, but of money and influence. Here is also an example - the village of Kushchevskaya. There are no Caucasians even close, and some killers are already free. Another example - in the KCR several years ago 7 businessmen were killed - all Caucasians. And they planted Caucasians. But soon released, because they, too, were big cones, bigger than the dead. Around the same time, another important person was killed in the city center. Caucasian. No one was found. And you say nationality ...
            Well, how are they in Central Russia - you know better.
            1. krokodil25
              krokodil25 29 March 2013 16: 20 New
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              Quote: MVS
              What I say, type in the search for Eugene Strigin - you will learn a lot of interesting things about the Caucasian Tolerast.



              I can tell you about my fellow countryman:

              January 29, 2013 at 16:37
              The Dorogomilovsky District Court of Moscow sentenced the Buryat Chimit Tarmaev, accused of the murder of a Dagestan, to 8 years in prison. This was announced on January 29 on the air of the television and radio company Arig Us.
              In addition to the 8 years of the colony, the court ordered Tarmaev to pay compensation to the injured party 450 thousand rubles for material damage and 1 million rubles for moral damage.
              During the trial, victims admitted that they had consumed alcohol before the incident. Also at the trial, the fact that security cameras in the subway recorded how the Dagestanis were chasing Tarmaev was announced.
              "They hit him, they all tried to talk him over, they insulted him, and the result was what happened," said the defendant’s lawyer Alexander Kaplan
              Tarmaev’s defense attorney intends to appeal the court’s decision. He is going to defend the position of defense that Tarmaev took the knife solely for the purpose of self-defense, and not out of personal selfish motives.
              Earlier it was reported that students of Beijing universities transferred money and letters to the support group of the Buryat Chimit Tarmaev.
              A native of Buryatia was detained by law enforcement officers after a conflict in the Moscow metro with representatives of Dagestan on January 20. During the conflict, the young man stabbed two Dagestanis with a knife, one of whom died on the way to the hospital. A criminal case has been opened against the detainee under the article “murder”.
              As the newspaper Novaya Buryatia wrote, Tarmaev tried to evade the conflict, ran and tried to get on the subway car, but the attackers caught him and pulled him back, after which a fight took place. The moment when Chimit tried to run into the car was fixed on the security camera.


              So nationality does not matter !!!
              1. MVS
                MVS 29 March 2013 18: 53 New
                0
                Quote: krokodil25
                Quote: MVS
                What I say, type in the search for Eugene Strigin - you will learn a lot of interesting things about the Caucasian Tolerast.



                I can tell you about my fellow countryman:

                January 29, 2013 at 16:37
                The Dorogomilovsky District Court of Moscow sentenced the Buryat Chimit Tarmaev, accused of the murder of a Dagestan, to 8 years in prison. This was announced on January 29 on the air of the television and radio company Arig Us.
                In addition to the 8 years of the colony, the court ordered Tarmaev to pay compensation to the injured party 450 thousand rubles for material damage and 1 million rubles for moral damage.
                During the trial, victims admitted that they had consumed alcohol before the incident. Also at the trial, the fact that security cameras in the subway recorded how the Dagestanis were chasing Tarmaev was announced.
                "They hit him, they all tried to talk him over, they insulted him, and the result was what happened," said the defendant’s lawyer Alexander Kaplan
                Tarmaev’s defense attorney intends to appeal the court’s decision. He is going to defend the position of defense that Tarmaev took the knife solely for the purpose of self-defense, and not out of personal selfish motives.
                Earlier it was reported that students of Beijing universities transferred money and letters to the support group of the Buryat Chimit Tarmaev.
                A native of Buryatia was detained by law enforcement officers after a conflict in the Moscow metro with representatives of Dagestan on January 20. During the conflict, the young man stabbed two Dagestanis with a knife, one of whom died on the way to the hospital. A criminal case has been opened against the detainee under the article “murder”.
                As the newspaper Novaya Buryatia wrote, Tarmaev tried to evade the conflict, ran and tried to get on the subway car, but the attackers caught him and pulled him back, after which a fight took place. The moment when Chimit tried to run into the car was fixed on the security camera.


                So nationality does not matter !!!


                I repeat: as in other regions of Russia, I will not say (I just don’t know), but in our region, thank God calmly now. Such as with Strigin (the whole republic stood on his ears) is a shame on our judicial system, but we haven’t had this for seven years. I hope it won’t be.
                Yours faithfully, hi
                1. krokodil25
                  krokodil25 29 March 2013 19: 00 New
                  +1
                  Quote: MVS
                  I hope it will not.
                  Yours faithfully,



                  RAD for you all this is happening in Moscow and St. Petersburg .. what
                  1. MVS
                    MVS 29 March 2013 19: 27 New
                    +2
                    Quote: krokodil25
                    all this happens in Moscow and St. Petersburg .. what

                    Patience is not unlimited am this is VERY bad end.
                    1. krokodil25
                      krokodil25 29 March 2013 19: 31 New
                      +2
                      Quote: MVS
                      Patience is not unlimited, it will end badly.


                      IF I AM READY !!!
                      1. MVS
                        MVS 29 March 2013 19: 32 New
                        +1
                        Quote: krokodil25
                        IF I AM READY !!!

                        + + +
                      2. krokodil25
                        krokodil25 29 March 2013 19: 35 New
                        +2
                        I think you are Vadim ready.
                      3. MVS
                        MVS 29 March 2013 19: 37 New
                        +1
                        Quote: krokodil25
                        I think you are Vadim ready.

                        Against chaos - of course.
                      4. Rustiger
                        Rustiger 30 March 2013 08: 07 New
                        +2
                        I think and you Vadim are ready

                        I, too, Vadim. And I'm ready too!
                        Patience is not unlimited it is VERY bad end.

                        And for whom? Again, some are yelling, what for the Russians? And in what interesting way? If you think so, then this is already a defeatist position. Even not just defensive, but already in advance retreat.

                        / Regards, Vadim! /

                        Something a lot of Vadim on the forum laughing . . .Even somehow suspiciously belay
  15. krokodil25
    krokodil25 29 March 2013 11: 57 New
    +1
    Quote: evgenii67
    .and you live in Dagestan, Ingushetia ..... if you are killed or maimed (God forbid), then in the best case it will be regarded as a hooligan.
    2. In Petersburg or in any other place, this will happen, only exactly the opposite (the well-known article), ie they can be humiliated, beaten, crippled, killed on the national basis precisely on national ground; this will be, as I wrote above, a hooligan



    Thank you and in Buryatia it’s not bad, but on account of the fact that they humiliate cripple, etc., on ethnic grounds, what does it have to do with it, if a weak person will beat him and humiliate him, no matter where he is, beat even if you are alone here to drag nationality.
  • MVS
    MVS 29 March 2013 11: 39 New
    0
    Quote: krokodil25
    What are these rights that they have an Internet with us?

    Yes, no. This is another provocation. There are many fans to smack about something that they have never seen in their eyes. If you hammer in Yandex the query "the situation in the Stavropol Territory" will fall out a lot of interesting things, and not a word of truth.
    1. MVS
      MVS 29 March 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Question to the minuser: Do you believe what the yellow newspapers write about the Stavropol Territory?
  • alexandr00070
    alexandr00070 31 March 2013 23: 53 New
    +1
    Quote: krokodil25
    What are these rights that they have an Internet with us?

    they have a republic, their president, their government and their parliament, and what of this do you have a RUSSIAN Russian
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 29 March 2013 11: 10 New
    10
    In Russia, in fact, there is violence of small national diasporas. Nationalists are trying to oppose them with their own, Russian. Instead of crushing others. But this is precisely the opposition, it is destructive in nature. And the trouble is that the banner of nationalism is most often raised by individuals who are frostbite not just for the whole head, but for the very ass. Yes, and often, they are not at all representatives of the nation for which they shout. For example, Mustafa Dzhemilev, the most ardent representative of the “offended” Crimean Tatars, is ... an ethnic Turk from the Baltic states. Among the Ukrainian Natsik Jews - almost half. Etc.
    Well, the title most closely resembles "It's time to hang yourself until you get the flu." laughing
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 03 New
      +2
      Quote: Misantrop
      Among the Ukrainian Natsik Jews - almost half. Etc.

      good That yes - if you look closely at the nationalists - you can find a lot of unexpected contradictions, and their behavior in the Rada too closely resembles that of one person. I sometimes get the impression that the Jews are trying one way or another to "saddle" absolutely all political movements in Ukraine. . smile
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 12: 27 New
        +5
        Quote: Arkan
        I sometimes get the impression that the Jews are somehow trying to "saddle" absolutely all the political movements of Ukraine.

        But there is a historical example - the Bolsheviks "near the Bund" in exchange for help (living in Switzerland was not cheap at that time, newspapers with proclamations should be printed). I will not mention the composition of the first Soviet government by night.
        laughing
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 40 New
          +2
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          But there is a historical example - the Bolsheviks "near the Bund" in exchange for help (living in Switzerland was not cheap at that time, newspapers with proclamations should be printed). I will not mention the composition of the first Soviet government by night.

          Yes, all this is well known, but the fact is that in those days the Jews were different (there were only a few Zionists among them) and then they were not “weakly" tidied up. You better pay attention to the composition of the Kiev Cheka in those years (the very one whose crimes blame the Russians) - this is really interesting.
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 15: 36 New
            +4
            Quote: Arkan
            the composition of the Kiev Cheka in those years (the very one whom the Russians were accused of crimes) - this is really interesting.

            In previous forums I tried to “sharpen” this issue, but the respondents went aside.
            In order not to blurt out something, I’ll ask you to “announce” the list “on the national grounds, without forgetting at the same time, and the leadership of the Sov. Ukraine in the period of the so-called Holodomor.”
            hi
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 29 March 2013 16: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              In previous forums I tried to “sharpen” this issue, but the respondents went aside.

              And they’re doing the right thing, in order to avoid wasting time (there are enough different ones on the Internet). hi
        2. Rustiger
          Rustiger 30 March 2013 08: 26 New
          +2
          I will not mention the composition of the first Soviet government on ethnic grounds by night.

          Well why. . . Maybe it will comfort you -
          The list of executioners cleared by Stalin, some of whom he wanted to create on the territory of the Russian Empire - New Khazaria.
          Shot the wife of Berry,
          the wife of one of the Yagodov’s deputies, Georgy Evgenievich Prokofiev Sofya Evseevna,
          Ezhova's wife Evgenia Solomonovna Feigenberg committed suicide and ...
          Yuri Solomonovich Brill, Head of the Gulag Sanitary Department
          Isaac G. Ginzburg, Head of the GULAG Human Resources Department (and personal secretary of M. Berman)
          Alexey Lazarevich Sulin-Etin, Deputy Head of the GULAG Supply Department
          AND ABOUT. Zanis. Head of the Department of Labor Colonies of the NKVD of the Ukrainian SSR
          Lev Solomonovich Akhmatov, Head of the 1st Children's Labor Colony of the Belbalt Combine
          Wiedemann, deputy chief of the UHTPECHLAG
          Galinaitis and Gursky, Assistant to the Head of the DMITLAG
          Garnich, head of the BelBALTLAG
          Brodsky, Head of the Sanitary Unit of Lefortovo Prison
          Anna Anatolyevna Rosenblum, the possessed insurgent of sweatshops Stakhanovism in concentration camps
          Abram Blydman,
          bloodthirsty fighters of countless human lives on the construction of the Moscow-Volga Canal;
          Leader of the Karamyshevsky District Lev Moiseevich Rudminsky, Head of the Finance and Planning Department Boris Markovich Kagner,
          Head of the Transport Department Julius Konstantinovich Pyatigorsky, assistant chief engineer Evsey Davidovich Rubenchik,
          Heads of Departments of Hard Labor Volgostroi: Lesnoy - Yakov Solomonovich Meerson
          and Estimated Planning - Spector,
          old Kolyma murderers: Deputy Head of Dalstroy, Yakov Samuilovich Lifshits,
          Assistant to the Chief of Dalstroy, Lev Markovich Epstein,
          Aron Solomonovich Gorin-Lundin, Head of the NKVD Directorate for Dalstroy.
        3. Rustiger
          Rustiger 30 March 2013 08: 29 New
          0
          Let's continue -

          The recognized KGB executioners from among the heads of local NKVD departments also found an unexpected end:
          Abugov Oshar Iosifovich - Kirov region .;
          Agranov Yankel Shevelevich (former first deputy. Berries and Yezhov) - Saratov region .;
          Bak Boris Arkadievich - Middle Volga Region and Northern Region .;
          Bak Solomon Arkadevich (the younger brother of the previous one; their own sister, senior lieutenant of state security Maria Arkadievna Bak) also operated in the NKVD, Karaganda region;
          Blat Ios-Gersh Mikhelevich - Chelyabinsk region .;
          Bukanov-Zilberman Alexander Konstantinovich - Udmurd AO;
          Vainshtein Peter Eduardovich - Perm Region .;
          Veysager Sigismund Mikhailovich - Mordovian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Wiesel Yakov Savelievich - Primorsky region .;
          Gai-Shtoklyand Mark Isaakovich - East Siberian Territory;
          Gendin Semen Grigorievich - Western region .;
          Gilman Samuil Lazarevich - South Kazakhstan Region .;
          Govlich-Govbinder Markus Ilyevich - Amur Region .;
          Grishin-Klyuvgant Grigory Aronovich - Vinnitsa region .;
          Dagin Israel Yakovlevich - North Caucasus Territory;
          Deich Yakov Abramovich - Azov-Black Sea Territory and Rostov Region .;
          Denotkin Samuil Moiseevich - Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Javakhov Mikhail Grigoryevich - Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Dimentman Mikhail Iosifovich - Primorsky Region .;
          Dmitriev-Plotkin Dmitry Matveevich - Sverdlovsk region .;
          Dombrowski-Ginzburg Vyacheslav Romualdovich - Kursk and Kalinin region .;
          Ershov-Lurie Andrei Martimianovich - Yaroslavl region .;
          Zhukov-Berlin Nikolai Vladimirovich - Zeya region .;
          Zalin-Levin Zelman Markovich (previously was a member of the Zionist party "Poalei Zion" - "Workers of Zion") - Uzbek SSR and Kazakh SSR;
          West-Kesselman Semyon Izrailevich - Khabarovsk region .;
          Zelikman Nekhemye Petrovich - Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Kagan Moses Aronovich - Khabarovsk region .;
          Karutsky Vasily Abramovich - Smolensk region .;
          Kaufman Zalman Isaakovich - Polesskaya oblast .;
          Kornev-Kapelyus Mark Borisovich - Chernihiv region .;
          Kursky Vladimir Mikhailovich - West Siberian Territory;
          Lev Alexander Petrovich - Kamchatka Region .;
          Leplevsky Israel Moiseevich (a native of the Bund; his brother Georgy Moiseevich Leplevsky was Deputy Prosecutor of the USSR A.Ya. Vyshinsky) - Ukrainian SSR;
          Litvin Mikhail Iosifovich - Leningrad Region .;
          Maso Solomon Samuilovich - Kharkov region;
          Minaev-Tsikanovsky Alexander Matveevich - Stalingrad region .;
          Mirkin Semyon Zakharovich - North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Mironov-King Miron Iosifovich - Dnepropetrovsk region .;
          Perelmuter Yakov Efimovich - Amur Region .;
          Pogrebinsky Matvey Samuilovich - Gorky region .;
          Radziwill Israel Israel Moiseevich - Ivanovo region .;
          Raev-Kaminsky Yakov Semenovich - Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and Azerbaijan SSR;
        4. Rustiger
          Rustiger 30 March 2013 08: 39 New
          +2
          The recognized KGB executioners from among the heads of local NKVD departments also found an unexpected end:
          Abugov Oshar Iosifovich - Kirov region .;
          Agranov Yankel Shevelevich (former first deputy. Berries and Yezhov) - Saratov region .;
          Bak Boris Arkadievich - Middle Volga Region and Northern Region .;
          Bak Solomon Arkadevich (the younger brother of the previous one; their own sister, senior lieutenant of state security Maria Arkadievna Bak) also operated in the NKVD, Karaganda region;
          Blat Ios-Gersh Mikhelevich - Chelyabinsk region .;
          Bukanov-Zilberman Alexander Konstantinovich - Udmurd AO;
          Vainshtein Peter Eduardovich - Perm Region .;
          Veysager Sigismund Mikhailovich - Mordovian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Wiesel Yakov Savelievich - Primorsky region .;
          Gai-Shtoklyand Mark Isaakovich - East Siberian Territory;
          Gendin Semen Grigorievich - Western region .;
          Gilman Samuil Lazarevich - South Kazakhstan Region .;
          Govlich-Govbinder Markus Ilyevich - Amur Region .;
          Grishin-Klyuvgant Grigory Aronovich - Vinnitsa region .;
          Dagin Israel Yakovlevich - North Caucasus Territory;
          Deich Yakov Abramovich - Azov-Black Sea Territory and Rostov Region .;
          Denotkin Samuil Moiseevich - Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Javakhov Mikhail Grigoryevich - Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Dimentman Mikhail Iosifovich - Primorsky Region .;
          Dmitriev-Plotkin Dmitry Matveevich - Sverdlovsk region .;
          Dombrowski-Ginzburg Vyacheslav Romualdovich - Kursk and Kalinin region .;
          Ershov-Lurie Andrei Martimianovich - Yaroslavl region .;
          Zhukov-Berlin Nikolai Vladimirovich - Zeya region .;
          Zalin-Levin Zelman Markovich (previously was a member of the Zionist party "Poalei Zion" - "Workers of Zion") - Uzbek SSR and Kazakh SSR;
          West-Kesselman Semyon Izrailevich - Khabarovsk region .;
          Zelikman Nekhemye Petrovich - Bashkir Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Kagan Moses Aronovich - Khabarovsk region .;
          Karutsky Vasily Abramovich - Smolensk region .;
          Kaufman Zalman Isaakovich - Polesskaya oblast .;
          Kornev-Kapelyus Mark Borisovich - Chernihiv region .;
          Kursky Vladimir Mikhailovich - West Siberian Territory;
          Lev Alexander Petrovich - Kamchatka Region .;
          Leplevsky Israel Moiseevich (a native of the Bund; his brother Georgy Moiseevich Leplevsky was Deputy Prosecutor of the USSR A.Ya. Vyshinsky) - Ukrainian SSR;
          Litvin Mikhail Iosifovich - Leningrad Region .;
          Maso Solomon Samuilovich - Kharkov region;
          Minaev-Tsikanovsky Alexander Matveevich - Stalingrad region .;
          Mirkin Semyon Zakharovich - North Ossetian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Mironov-King Miron Iosifovich - Dnepropetrovsk region .;
          Perelmuter Yakov Efimovich - Amur Region .;
          Pogrebinsky Matvey Samuilovich - Gorky region .;
          Radziwill Israel Israel Moiseevich - Ivanovo region .;
          Raev-Kaminsky Yakov Semenovich - Chechen-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic and Azerbaijan SSR;
          Paradise-Leuchtman Nekhemye Markovich - Orenburg region .;
          Rappoport Grigory Yakovlevich - (former active worker of Zion from “Poalei Zion”) - Stalingrad region;
          Reichman Lev Iosifovich - Kharkov region;
          Ressin Ilya Zalmanovich - Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic of the Volga Region;
          Rogol Mark Pavlovich - Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Rozanov-Rosenbardt Abram Borisovich - Odessa region and Voronezh region .;
          Wheel Peter Gavrilovich - Tatar Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
        5. Rustiger
          Rustiger 30 March 2013 08: 41 New
          +1
          And that is not all -


          Sapir Abram Vladimirovich - Moldavian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Simanovsky Pinhus Sholomovich - Oryol Region (also served as deputy chief of DMITLAG);
          Sokolinsky David Moiseevich - Donetsk region .;
          Sokolov-Shostak Pyotr Grigorievich - Chernihiv region .;
          Feldman Yakov Lvovich - Nizhne-Amur Region .;
          Tsesarsky Vladimir Efimovich - Moscow region (also was the beginning of the Ukhto-Izhemsky concentration camp);
          Sharov-Shaver Nikolay Davidovich - Kiev region .;
          Shershevsky Karp Rafailovich - Karelian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Shlifenson Samuil Iosifovich - Gomel region .;
          Schuster Ivan Davidovich - Volga German Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic;
          Yuzhny Semyon Grigorievich - Chita region.
          The head of the NKVD in the Far Eastern Territory, Heinrich Samuilovich Lyushkov, managed to escape to Manchuria: there he actively collaborated with Japanese intelligence and was shot by the Japanese themselves in 1945 as an “undesirable witness” of their secret operations against the USSR.
          The chiefs of the main structures of the central apparatus of the NKVD perished in their own dungeons without a trace:
          Alievsky Moses Mordukhovich - Department of acts of civil status;
          Belenky Abram Yakovlevich - Special Commissioner at the People’s Commissar for Work (former chief of personal protection of V.I. Lenin);
          Belsky-Levin Abram Mikhailovich - Main Directorate of the Workers 'and Peasants' Police (formerly an active Zionist-Bundist, at the same time he was the deputy of Yagoda and Yezhov);
          Weinstock, Yakov Markovich - Prison Department;
          Volkov-Weiner Mikhail Alexandrovich - Main Directorate of Highway and Road Construction;
          Gatov Moisey Lvovich - 4th department of the Main Economic Department;
          Citizen Valery Mikhailovich - Special Bureau;
          Goryanov-Benkovich Anatoly Georgievich - Forest Protection Department;
          Zhukovsky Semyon Borisovich - 12th department (was deputy. Yezhov);
          Zibrak Emil Aleksandrovich - Office of Special Construction;
          Lurie Alexander Yakovlevich - Civil Engineering Department;
          Mironov-Kagan Lev Grigoryevich - Economic Department;
          Ostrovsky Joseph Markovich - Office of Administration;
          Passov Zalman Isaevich - 5th department;
          Pauker Karl Viktorovich - Operations Department;
          Rogachev-Tsifranovich Boris Vladimirovich - 1st department of the 2nd administration;
          Roshal Lev Borisovich - Political Department of the Main Directorate of Border and Internal Security;
          Shapiro-Daykhovsky Natan Evnovich - 5th department of the 2nd administration;
          Shapiro Isaak Lvovich - 1st Special Department;
          Schneerson Moses Borisovich - Cooperative Management;
          Yamnitsky Mikhail Sergeevich - Branch of the 5th department.
          In 1939, the “founding fathers” of the Gulag Kogan, Berman and Pliner were also liquidated.

          Is there anything to not love Stalin for? Al is still not ????????
  • 120352
    120352 29 March 2013 11: 18 New
    +3
    If you feel that you are a member of a nation or ethnic group, you are already a nationalist! And there’s no getting around here. A person is constantly in a state of identification-isolation, to put it more simply, in a situation of choice: "One's Alien." This situation begins in infancy, when the child reaches for the mother and rejects the rest, then he grows up and the circle of "his" expands to the size of the family, then - relatives, then also friends, people close in spirit. We are not friends with anybody, we choose with whom to be friends and this is ours for us! This is inevitable as long as strangers exist nearby. But aliens are different. Some are closer to us, others are further (Muslims, for example). With those that are closer, we enter into alliances, from those whose interests and values ​​contradict us - we stay away, fearing their betrayal and betrayal. So, nationalism is the basis of patriotism. There is no patriotism without nationalism.
  • tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 29 March 2013 11: 23 New
    +3
    The national question in society is aggravated and this was done by the efforts of the government, either out of stupidity or out of malice. Many of those who call themselves Russian nationalists are ordinary scum, gaining political points on populism, and many of their followers are ordinary street chaos taking advantage of the moment. But there is evidence - the farther, the more acute will be the question of interethnic relations, and if the government continues to pursue national policy as it has lately, the question will begin to be decided "from below."
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 29 March 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    Quote: 120352
    If you feel that you are a member of a nation or ethnic group, you are already a nationalist!
    Do not confuse the concept. The above is not nationalism, but patriotism. In relation to the clan, group, ethnic group, nation. And the nationalist is more concerned not just with the prosperity of his group, but with the crushing of those who for some reason do not belong to it. At the base of the patriot - sympathy and benevolence, the Natsik - aggression. They exist side by side, but putting an equal sign between them is not worth it
  • stas52
    stas52 29 March 2013 11: 25 New
    +1
    All mass media are saturated with nationalism in our country, here are the data from the statistics for 2012:
    ? TOTAL? CRIMES 1746003
    foreign? citizens? and? persons without citizenship
    32730
    including the number of citizens of the member states of the CIS
    28848
    http://www.yourist-ufa.ru/img/pdf/yanv-sent-2012.pdf
    That is, they say almost nothing about the crimes committed by the Russians, but they are generally silent about the Russians, but the themes of the dominance of foreign citizens are inflated.
    Quote: zamboy
    And who do you mean by nationalists?

    I believe that a nationalist, first of all, is an IMPERIAN who takes care of his soul and deeds for the benefit and prosperity of Russia, his homeland, and it does not matter which ethnic group this person belongs to.

    The Limonovs, Udaltsovs, and others consider themselves nationalists too, so it’s not that they should not be allowed to run the country, run a chicken coop.

    In general, the article is "unclear", provokes collisions in the comments, how many people, so many opinions.

    Do you have only Russians living in the Empire? Then what kind of empire is this, maximum republic.
    1. zambo
      zambo 29 March 2013 11: 33 New
      +2
      Do you know how to read comments to the end?

      I believe that a nationalist, first of all, is an IMPERIAN who pleases with his soul and deeds for the benefit and prosperity of Russia, his homeland and no matter what ethnic group this person belongs to.

      I highlighted the final words for you, so that we have the same opinion, be careful.

      You are a plus for mutual understanding. drinks
      1. stas52
        stas52 29 March 2013 12: 02 New
        +1
        I agree with you, but not a nationalist but Patriot
  • domokl
    domokl 29 March 2013 11: 28 New
    -2
    I read this nonsense and realized that we still can’t see true nationalism like our own ears ... common phrases and nothing concrete .. Do nationalists exist for a quarter of a century and what have we seen during this time? Only negative, nothing positive ... But the excuse is beautifully invented - Cossacks sent by the authorities are to blame ...
    Until we decide on the very concept of Russian, until we decide what we want (except of course the classic general, to live well, according to the laws and for the people), nationalism will be more radical, aggressive, frightening .. And statements about the possibility of becoming a political force will remain just statements ...
    1. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 1 2013 00: 10 New
      +1
      Quote: domokl
      .A quarter of a century nationalists exist and what have we seen during this time? Only negative, nothing positive ... But the excuse is perfectly invented, the Cossacks sent by the authorities are to blame ...

      A new Russia has existed for a quarter of a century, and what have we seen during this time?. Just then the “Cossacks mishandled” (sorry the Cossacks are not for you) are to blame or, according to your “right path, comrades”
  • Skavron
    Skavron 29 March 2013 11: 29 New
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    I’m wondering, Russia is a multinational country. If "Russia is for Russians," then what should other national minorities do?
    1. torrnado
      torrnado 29 March 2013 12: 12 New
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      Obey the Russian. How else?
      1. Skavron
        Skavron 29 March 2013 12: 26 New
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        opinion accepted
        the opinion is clear
        1. ATATA
          ATATA 29 March 2013 13: 14 New
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          Quote: Skavron

          Obey the Russian. How else?

          He joked, and maybe he’s not Russian, but what a busman. An ideological saboteur, so to speak. laughing
          non-Russians should take advantage of living in a large country.
          Something like that I think. hi
          1. Skavron
            Skavron 29 March 2013 13: 36 New
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            But to be honest, I thought that you would support him.
            It’s good that I was mistaken.
            Nothing personal )
            And of course "+"
    2. Igarr
      Igarr 29 March 2013 12: 28 New
      +1
      "..What to do, what to do? Dry crackers. They will turn you up - and you do not steal," - from the film "Watch Out for the Car." I just like this replica.
      .
      Russia for Ukrainians .... quite.
      Russia for the Bashkirs-but only for.
      Russia and Kazakhstan are a great brawl. As I recall Serik Konakbaev in the film - so the soul rejoices - the Armenian and Kazakh - break the Malays under the Russian brand. The beauty.
      And how many more - the Chukchi, Koryak, Nivkhs, Nganasans, Toharas, Uighurs, Kalmyks (oooh, the great chess nation), Lopari.
      So ... Russia-for .... (substitute as required). It’s all good.
      One thing only ....
      The law of the Russian Federation is predominant. For all.
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 29 March 2013 19: 10 New
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      Quote: Skavron
      If "Russia is for Russians," then what should other national minorities do?

      I do not know. And no one knows. This has not happened in the entire history of the empire. But for non-Russians - almost constantly
    4. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 1 2013 00: 13 New
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      Quote: Skavron
      I’m wondering, Russia is a multinational country. If "Russia is for Russians," then what should other national minorities do?

      the question is not correct on your part; you cannot even understand this state
    5. alexandr00070
      alexandr00070 April 1 2013 00: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Skavron
      I’m wondering, Russia is a multinational country. If "Russia is for Russians," then what should other national minorities do?

      the question is not correct on your part; you cannot even understand this state
  • valokordin
    valokordin 29 March 2013 11: 31 New
    +5
    The author mixes patriotism and nationalism without delving into the semantics of words. People who have grown up and brought up in a spirit of respect for all the nationalities living nearby are sick of sticking out one nationality. This creates tension in the country and instills ethnic hatred, and this is nothing more than the desire to destroy their country.
  • MRomanovich
    MRomanovich 29 March 2013 11: 33 New
    +1
    Disgusting article. Nationalism, whatever it may be, whatever the slogans may be, no matter how moderate it may be, is an evil that can be compared with little. We lived and live in a multinational State and therefore any nationalist movement or nationalist calls can be considered a diversion in relation to our country. Words about supposedly noble and non-aggressive thoughts, about the equalization of rights and just about fiery love for your people - all this is another cover, nothing more. Nationalists are not people, not even animals, but a rd, which is disgusting to press, so you just need to burn them out so that nothing is left.
  • stalkerwalker
    stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 11: 38 New
    +4
    Article minus.
    1. Ethnic Russians are already becoming less and less (“I want to live for myself!”) Others, so far national minorities, will banally mass “crush” them.
    2. I do not want to look at Ukrainians and Belarusians through the scope. I do not want.
    3. The problem is not in interracial relations, but in the inaction of the authorities, and sometimes in action, when one republic within the Russian Federation receives in the form of subsidies amounts unthinkable for other regions (guess what three times!).
    4. Again, we have to cite such sad historical examples as Nazi Germany. There, they began to cry of happiness from ethnic groups alone, and ended, in fact, by themselves and with themselves.

    And finally. This topic has long been spelled out in the book of M. Kalashnikov "Ride the Lightning." It seems that the author of the mentioned book is a little ahead of time.
    And the authors of the article put up for discussion are provocateurs.
    hi
    1. stas52
      stas52 29 March 2013 12: 51 New
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      As you can see, this region is not in the first place
      And this is for 2010.

      Chechnya, as you see, is far from in the first place. Maybe the secret to prosperity in officials?
    2. evgenii67
      evgenii67 29 March 2013 13: 36 New
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      Quote: stalkerwalker
      (guess what three times!).

      Three times, three times I guess: 1. Chechnya, 2. Ingushetia, 3. Dagestan
      Quote: stas52
      Chechnya, as you see, is far from in the first place. Maybe the secret to prosperity in officials?

      Maybe the officials are flourishing, or maybe the table was made in Word and all the columns "crawled", but most likely both
      1. stas52
        stas52 29 March 2013 13: 46 New
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        The table is real, the link is given. And as for the officials, according to the 2010 table of the year, it is clear that Chechnya is in eleventh place, and, unlike leaders, it has more expenses, it is necessary to restore cities and infrastructure, while we see that they are coping with these problems brilliantly. Conclusion: in Chechnya, burglars are stolen less, and more are put into business.
        And please the next time, when Yaroslavna’s crying will be heard again, rely on facts, not on your own feelings.
        1. MVS
          MVS 29 March 2013 13: 55 New
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          Quote: evgenii67
          Quote: stalkerwalker
          (guess what three times!).

          Three times, three times I guess: 1. Chechnya, 2. Ingushetia, 3. Dagestan
          Quote: stas52
          Chechnya, as you see, is far from in the first place. Maybe the secret to prosperity in officials?

          Maybe the officials are flourishing, or maybe the table was made in Word and all the columns "crawled", but most likely both

          Do not shout loudly about what you do not know.
          1. evgenii67
            evgenii67 29 March 2013 14: 04 New
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            Quote: MVS
            Do not shout loudly about what you do not know.

            Good, as you say! You are right, officials do not steal, billions do not enter Chechnya, DOT.
            1. MVS
              MVS 29 March 2013 14: 18 New
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              You did not understand me. I am not saying that Chechnya is not subsidized, and officials in it do not steal. I meant that the assertion that Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan are the most subsidized ones needs to be supported by facts.
              1. evgenii67
                evgenii67 29 March 2013 14: 32 New
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                some tables are muddy! another question
                Quote: MVS
                look at the statistics (even in the most deceitful of all that I have seen, the growth of the Russian population is recorded).

                and you can look at this plate
                1. stalkerwalker
                  stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 15: 59 New
                  +4
                  Quote: evgenii67
                  that Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan, the most subsidized, need to be supported by facts.

                  1. There is a lie, there is a blatant lie, but there are official statistics .....
                  Or will you argue that annual inflation in Russia does not exceed 10% per year?
                  2. Posted on another forum: the money comes from the stabilization fund, and this is a completely different article about spending money.
                  3. The stadium did not see any documents confirming the funds used by Grozny City. But I’ll ask, and who saw the documents saying that money DOES NOT COME TO Chechnya AT ALL?
                  4. The construction of the central mosque (I do not argue - very beautiful) in Grozny sponsored Qatar?

                  With respect to all those here discussing ...
                  hi
              2. alexandr00070
                alexandr00070 April 1 2013 00: 27 New
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                Quote: MVS
                I meant that the assertion that Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan are the most subsidized ones needs to be supported by facts.

                You do not compare dwarf, in the Caucasus and Yakutia, but the second question is Pskov and Chechnya, where is justice
  • Algor73
    Algor73 29 March 2013 11: 41 New
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    “Everything was mixed up in the Oblonsky’s house ...” We simply put Nazism and nationalism on a par. These are completely different things ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 29 March 2013 12: 03 New
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      Quote: Algor73
      We simply put Nazism and nationalism on a par. These are completely different things ...

      Naturally
      Nazism (National Socialism), exclusively a German phenomenon, if you believe the dictionaries of course.
      and nationalism is a rather abstract concept, if you also believe dictionaries, it has quite a few branches, often contradicting each other ...
  • pinecone
    pinecone 29 March 2013 11: 46 New
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    Quote: MRomanovich
    Nationalists are not people or even animals



    Curious remarks about nationalism can be found in the Old Testament and especially in the Talmud.
    Crush them and burn advise? .
    1. MRomanovich
      MRomanovich 29 March 2013 11: 57 New
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      burn in the sense of completely eradicating. And all sorts of covenants, old or not, as well as other tales, I do not read.
    2. Arkan
      Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 10 New
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      Quote: pinecone
      Curious remarks about nationalism can be found in the Old Testament and especially in the Talmud.
      Crush them and burn advise? .

      And for you, the Talmud is the ultimate truth?
  • Begemot
    Begemot 29 March 2013 11: 52 New
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    What power of nationalists can be spoken of in a multinational empire? Any "national" issue easily fits into strict compliance with applicable law. But this is just the problem. The trouble is that all the power in the country belongs to officials, and it is just disadvantageous for them to observe the laws completely. Firstly, the demand from them will be greatly increased, and secondly: it will be already difficult to cut the budget selflessly. You need to ask yourself the question: what will the nationalists do to pinpoint ethnic crime? - they will leave only Russian bandits, and the rest will be transplanted?
    What will they do with the bureaucrats army? - again they will leave only the Russians? In Ingushetia, Dagestan or Bashkiria with Tataria it will look very nice, especially in remote areas where Russian is spoken once a year. Nationalism does not carry a sufficient positive burden for a multi-ethnic state. Nationalism has no brakes and restrictions that will clearly define the border beyond which nationalism goes over to fascism. A multinational empire runs the risk of collapsing while trying to realize a nationalistic scenario.
    There would be no question if Mirzo Boboev received a real term for illegal possession of the machine, and did not get off with a suspended year, while Ivan Bobylev received 5 years of strict labor for a small piece cartridge found in his garden. I exaggerate consciously, but the way it is. I was visiting a Kurd living in Liechtenstein, talking about national problems: It is very difficult to comply with all laws and customs of behavior, he said, but if you do not, you will remain without work, and without housing, and without citizenship. His brother was sent "across the bridge" (sent)
    for the fact that he began to cut a ram and distribute meat on Kurban Bayram.
    As a result: he violated several laws at once, including sanitary ones. There was a judgment - and come on, come on, bye. The only difference with us is that it is more profitable for them to be sent than to be kept in prison, where there are only 15 places (or so), and we have nowhere to send our citizens. But I repeat, the widespread and rigorous enforcement of laws allows us to eliminate the national question, but in our country this is not necessary either for the government or, especially, for the law enforcement system, like blood from blood, flesh from the flesh of official organizations.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 29 March 2013 12: 02 New
    +3
    Patriotism and nationalism are very close concepts, but for myself, I distinguished them like that. A patriot is a man who loves his people and homeland and is ready to die for her even though she (the motherland) can be ugly. A nationalist is a man who, to put it mildly, does not love other peoples and is ready to destroy his own and other countries for this. As a rough example of this Second World War, where in my opinion clashed these two concepts. IMHO
  • Igarr
    Igarr 29 March 2013 12: 13 New
    +2
    Hi, thinking.
    You, it seems to me, are talking about different things. Although - as if about nationalism.
    There is confusion - nationalism, racial (national) intolerance and chauvinism.
    Razor blade - all these national issues.
    I think everyone is quite familiar with dog and cat breeds. Horses.
    And they know very well that mestizos are much more enduring, smarter, stronger. More productive - in terms of future work.
    In the same way - they know very well that in a "converging" family - full-fledged offspring can not wait. Inevitable - degeneration, deviations. Moreover, they can be - exceptionally beautiful. "White" bone, blue blood, noble ancestors - and the prospects are zero.
    .....
    So it is here.
    Nationalism. He is good when he does not catch other nations. It does not infringe.
    What are we allowed the USSR to break up? For everyone to be equal. Even provided vouchers. Not everyone, really.
    So - it didn’t work out - to become equal. Some, for some reason, turned out more equal than others.
    So-nationalism-are trying ... to level off.
    Will not work. Already convinced. Or again .. by rake, by rake ??
    .
    Not nationalism is needed. And - unconditional - the equality of everyone - before the Law.
    So I see.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 15 New
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      Quote: Igarr
      Not nationalism is needed. And - unconditional - the equality of everyone - before the Law.
      So I see.

      You can’t say more precisely good drinks !
  • wulf66
    wulf66 29 March 2013 12: 16 New
    +1
    In the question of Russian Nationalism, it is necessary to take into account its Root difference from any other nationalist movement. RUSSIAN is the whole WORLD, it is CIVILIZATION at last !!! I never heard that Aivazovsky was called an Armenian artist. Aivazovsky - GREAT RUSSIAN ARTIST !!! Nobody calls Bagration a Georgian general, BAGRATION IS THE GREAT RUSSIAN SILVER !!! If a person accepts Russian values, customs, worldview - he is RUSSIAN regardless of skin color and eye shape. Remember how, under the Russian Empire and the USSR, Georgians, Armenians, Buryats, Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Eskimos, etc. They called RUSSIAN !!! Only those who call themselves now Russian nationalists, until then, in my opinion, have not grown enough.
  • Generalissimus
    Generalissimus 29 March 2013 12: 19 New
    +2
    Another attempt by the Potkins to legalize in the minds of adequate people.
    Funny and sad.
    Military Review is it necessary? Indulging this is not the best way to earn the respect of readers. Flirting will lead to the fact that normal people will run away from here, giving way to this boisterous and rather evil mass, for whom the recording "Jew" or "Kazakh" is much more important than the country's defense.
    If you take the trouble to delve into their ideology and get to know their leaders, it is easy to see that gentlemen nationalists have nothing to do with the aspirations and hopes that most VO readers breathe.
    Moreover, surrendering "this" country to NATO is normal for them, because it works against Putin's "tyrant". With the white brothers from NATO, they are going to build their own state. But is there any place in such a state for those for whom the homeland is not Hitler’s testament?

    I'm not exaggerating at all. I periodically track their resources and marvel at these wretched and all their Ethnopolitical associations “Russians” headed by Potkin, Belov, Thor and other rubbish. At rallies, they are still holding back. Between their own bear such - Hitler would be in shock.

    And now all this garbage can conducts "Russian marches", and before that it strictly instructs its adherents not to throw ridges in columns and not to scare the people they are trying to attract into their ranks.

    Nationalism is in any person. And this is normal if he does not go beyond a healthy sense of pride in his people, his culture, his traditions. This is far from hatred of other nations. And it is precisely this that our homegrown Potkintsy and others suffer. And after all, they dream of power ...
    1. Skavron
      Skavron 29 March 2013 13: 24 New
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      Generalissimus
      I do not agree with you.
      Quote: Generalissimus
      Military Review is it necessary? Indulging this is not the best way to earn the respect of readers.

      Nobody indulges anyone. The site simply gives different opinions, and people express their point of view. Or should only glory to Putin sing?
      Quote: Generalissimus
      normal people will run away from here

      Do not run away. A normal person will always tell where the dirt is ...
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 29 March 2013 12: 25 New
    +2
    But what did Stalin say about the nationalists and the different leaders of the pygmies? Remember, he said that after him in Russia the nationalists will raise their heads but not for long .. I think this period has already passed when Navalny yelled "Russia for Russians" laughing Navalny did not get the Russians to fool and he forgot about his impulses of the Natsiks.
  • optimist
    optimist 29 March 2013 12: 27 New
    +2
    I look, dear forum users, as always, "chatted" topic. And they forgot about the elementary things that unite all people without exception. (Why are there people: in my aquarium even fish swim "for every creature, a couple") Namely, what unites people: NATION. TERRITORY, RELIGION and CULTURE. And we can’t get anywhere from this. And now heaps of people, absolutely alien to us, have piled on our (Russian) territories. And the day is not far off when ethnic clashes in the streets of our "millionaire" cities will begin. So it’s better now to begin to solve this issue, albeit not as radically as some suggest, but decide. Otherwise, numerous victims cannot be avoided. And to argue with a clever look about "tolerance", equal rights, etc., means to drive this disease inside.
    1. Arkan
      Arkan 29 March 2013 12: 53 New
      +2
      Quote: optimist
      And now heaps of people, absolutely alien to us, have piled on our (Russian) territories.

      But this is really serious! Obtaining Russian citizenship is much easier for Tajiks than for Russians living in Ukraine, Estonia, etc. At a minimum, this is a rather strange fact, which, among other things, causes distrust of integration among Russians in Ukraine. he’s with Russian propaganda like "the simple Ukrainian people want ... but corrupt politicians are pulling ...", well, he doesn’t fit.
      1. stalkerwalker
        stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 16: 15 New
        +5
        Of course, all this is very sad, and even more than ...

        I will give an example for the same Norway.
        In the area of ​​assistance to the poor, unfortunate and destitute, several thousand (and the population of the country - about 7 million people) Somalis, Indonesians and other ... tses enter the country annually. In 9 cases from 10. they are representatives of an ABSOLUTELY other spiritual civilization.
        Total. The center of the capital, Oslo, has literally become African-South Asian.
        Crime, formed from these poor and unfortunate, is growing before our eyes. The police only manage to leave on calls.
        And Andryushka Breivik took it, but he made a hunt for the poor and the unfortunate ... He made a mistake in one thing - he only found children. Lazy, I guess. Now he is being tried. All civilized Norwegian society angrily condemns this outrage.
        Aloud everyone says that he is a “bad boy”, and the guy in the gas grins.
        What am I talking about.
        The authorities will not restore order - the people themselves will take up this business. And he will add power. Kondopoga seems like a children's party.
        But it would not be better.

        Power! Do you hear us ???
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 30 March 2013 01: 02 New
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      Quote: optimist
      Namely, what unites people: NATION. TERRITORY, RELIGION and CULTURE. And we can’t get anywhere from this. And now heaps of people, absolutely alien to us, have piled on our (Russian) territories.

      Now let's take a look at what is happening in the once former Soviet Odessa. Very close, and mentally close ...
      In Odessa, militants gathered at the Odessa Transfiguration Cathedral. This is the largest Orthodox church in the Russian Empire, the main Orthodox cathedral of New Russia. Right on Sobornaya Square, the young men yelled "Mosk ... on her knives!"

      Expanding the yellow-blue banners with the words "Lion", "Kovel", etc., under the explosions of firecrackers and fires of fires, the column chanted "Kommunyaku on gilyaka!" (Rus. - Communists to the gallows) and "Thanks to the residents of Donbass for the president pid ... sa!"

      http://warfiles.ru/show-27569-krasavica-odessa-iznasilovana-na-ocheredi-vsya-ukr


      aina.html
      These are the same nationalists yesterday so in the center of the city festivals. And they just felt a bit behind themselves. What to wait next? Do you want the same in Russian cities?
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 30 March 2013 01: 14 New
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        Quote: Misantrop
        These are the same nationalists

        "" No, we are doing the right thing severely punish nationalists of all stripes and colors. They are the best helpers of our enemies and the worst enemies of their own peoples. After all, the cherished dream of nationalists is to fragment the Soviet Union into separate “national” states, and then it will become easy prey for enemies. The peoples inhabiting the Soviet Union, for the most part, will be physically exterminated, while the remaining part will turn into dumb and miserable slaves of the conquerors.
        It is no coincidence that the despicable traitors of the Ukrainian people - the leaders of Ukrainian nationalists, all these millers, Konovalets, Bandera have already received a task from German intelligence to incite among Ukrainians who are the same Russians, hatred of Russians and seek separation of Ukraine from the Soviet Union. All the same old song of ancient times from the period of the Roman Empire: divide and conquer.
        They particularly succeeded in inciting ethnic hatred and setting some peoples against other British. Thanks to such tactics, bribing the miserable and corrupt leaders of different nations, capitalist island England, the first factory in the world, insignificant in size, managed to capture vast territories, enslave and rob many nations of the world, create a “Great” British Empire, in which, as it is boastfully say the British, the sun never sets.
        With us, this number, while we are alive, will not pass. So, in vain did Hitler’s fools call the Soviet Union a “house of cards”, which supposedly would fall apart at the first serious test, count on the fragility of friendship between the peoples living in our country, hope to quarrel them with each other. In the event of a German attack on the Soviet Union, people of different nationalities living in our country will defend it without sparing their lives, like their beloved homeland.
        However, nationalists should not be underestimated. If they are allowed to act with impunity, they will bring many troubles. That is why they must be kept in check, not allowed to dig into the unity of the Soviet Union».
        Source: I.V. Stalin - Complete Works. Volume 15, "Conversation with A.S. Yakovlev on 26 of March 1941 of the Year", S. 17
      2. Arkan
        Arkan 30 March 2013 11: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Misantrop
        Now let's take a look at what is happening in the once former Soviet Odessa. Very close, and mentally close ...

        I repeat, the communists of Odessa have already begun forming volunteer groups to physically counter the vandals, they called SMERSH. Believe me, or what link can I find?
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 30 March 2013 12: 13 New
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          In the Kharkiv region, the Izyum City Court arrested the leader of the Lugansk regional office of VE Liberty Artyom Zaik for five days, in protest against this politician went on a hunger strike, the party said.

          It is worth noting that the court decided to administratively arrest the opposition because of allegations of petty hooliganism, namely, participating in the session of the Izyumsky District Council in the case on the permission of Shell to extract shale gas.

          “The judges, on the orders of the executive branch of power, played a performance in the“ best ”traditions of the Stalin’s triples. After the verdict was announced, Artem Zaika was put in a pre-arranged paddy wagon and sent to serve sentences,” the party emphasized.

          The opposition accuses Viktor Yanukovych of such a decision, recalling his "state order for political repression." Politicians intend to appeal the court decision.

          "Raisins are not the first to oppose the production of shale gas in the territory of the region. The authorities want to break the resistance of society. However, bureaucrats should remember the popular wisdom: sow the wind, reap the storm," said Igor Shvaika, representative of Freedom in the Kharkov and Lugansk regions.

          As reported today, March 29, the Party of Regions intends to dismiss the vice speaker of the Verkhovna Rada, a member of the Freedom Ruslan Koshulinsky.

          Recall, on March 28, in the Yenakiyevo region of Donetsk, unknown persons attacked the chairman of the local organization Liberty Dmitry Glazunov.http: //korrespondent.net/ukraine/politics/1534175-v-harkovskoj-oblasti
          -arestovan-lider-oblastnoj-svobody-politik-obyavil-golodovk I want to warn Korrespondent.net is one of the pro-Western sites.
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 30 March 2013 12: 23 New
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            SMERSH will include young communists involved in the struggle.

            Under the Odessa regional organization of the Communist Party of Ukraine, the SMERSH unit will be created to physically resist attempts at vandalism in the region.

            This was stated by the first secretary of the Odessa regional committee of the Communist Party, deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of the VI convocation Evgeni Tsarkov, the press service of the Communist Party said.

            According to him, the corresponding decision was made on March 5, on the day of the 60th anniversary of the death of Joseph Stalin.

            According to the communist, SMERSH will include young communists, as well as sympathetic parties involved in wrestling or martial arts.

            “The squad members will respond to attempts by ideological opponents from nationalist organizations to commit acts of vandalism,” Tsarkov said.

            Recall, on February 15, a monument to Lenin was demolished in Akhtyrka. The deputy of the Verkhovna Rada, the head of the Sumy branch of the Freedom party, Igor Miroshnichenko, admitted that he had organized the destruction of the monument to Lenin in Akhtyrka.http: //lb.ua/news/2013/03/06/191836_kommunisti_sozdayut_boevie_otryadi.h
            tml
          2. Skavron
            Skavron 30 March 2013 15: 14 New
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            I somehow also against the extraction of shale in the floodplain of the Seversky Donets
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 30 March 2013 17: 27 New
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              Quote: Skavron
              I somehow also against the extraction of shale in the floodplain of the Seversky Donets

              He was covered for a hooligan! I warned you - the resource is pro-Western, there almost all the information is provided with a sub-sub-cover. smile
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 30 March 2013 17: 30 New
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          Quote: Arkan
          the communists of Odessa have already begun the formation of groups of volunteers to physically counter the vandals, called "SMERSH"

          It is high time. Odessa is too much a tidbit to give to Natsiks so simply. By the way, for some reason, few people noticed that over the years of independence the classic Odessa dialect has become exotic. The units that still own it, collect full halls on the stage ...
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 29 March 2013 12: 53 New
    +2
    When is the question of nationalism raised? when, according to some, the Russian nation is humiliated. Then what is the point of activating the nationalists? it’s not just to unite the nation on the basis of cultural and moral values, the point is to break into power, promising to give the Russians some ghostly benefits and rights allegedly taken from them by someone other than Russian. In order to break through to power in multinational Russia, the nationalists need not just Russians, they need fanatical nationalists, and that is what we have already seen in Germany. Therefore, all the songs about the harmlessness of nationalism are a bluff, a blindfold on a layman. Look at modern nationalists, what are they calling for? maybe to raise the cultural level? can to fight drugs and alcoholism? nothing like their main and priority position: to find the enemy? expel all visitors from Russia. and then what?
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 29 March 2013 13: 01 New
    +3
    How can
    transfer control of the country to nationalists

    if these nationalists are either representatives of the same Zionism from power - this will not be a transfer of power, or representatives of German Nazism - here the power will change, but there will be no Russian.
    Nationalism for the Russians still needs to be created, but it is better to restore the Russian World as in antiquity, but it was racial, but without Nazi lawlessness (peoples lived without mixing but also without a cult of superiority).
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 29 March 2013 18: 41 New
      +1
      "Transfer control of the country to nationalists"
      Wait! With curtsies and bows! Take it please! You, gentlemen, nationalists (not to be confused with patriots), first prove that the majority of the entire people of the Russian Federation supports you, and then stretch your hands to power!
  • DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 29 March 2013 15: 30 New
    +7
    Dear Russian nationalists, I have a question - what role do I, the simple Caucasian, play in your Russian state, if we assume that you will come to power?
    1. Zhenya
      Zhenya 29 March 2013 18: 21 New
      +1
      You are overreaching, you are a Russian like me, I respect a lot of people of your faith and your region, but we are mainly talking about guests from Central Asia. Do not take it to heart, you have beautiful resorts and you supported us in a Chechen company, which can be discussed, but there are conflicts, but they will always be, since we are different nations, that's okay.

      ps
      And do not be offended by the words "Russian state", Russia went from Kiev, the Caucasus was included in the Russian state and there was nothing wrong with that and lived together, now what has changed? The first religion in the country is Orthodox, the majority of Russians living in our territory, how did the Russian state offend you? First you need to extinguish the Caucasus by joint efforts, people are tired of war and murder there ..
      1. DAGESTAN333
        DAGESTAN333 29 March 2013 23: 12 New
        +5
        The Russians built an amazing civilization built on the equality of peoples, without traditional ones, for example, for the Anglo-Saxon (the only Russian equal, modern civilization) civilization, the humiliation of captured peoples. But if the Russians begin to hypocrite, openly build masters out of ourselves, we, small fry, will cease to be your heart with you. And in this case, let's see how long your Russian civilization lasts.

        Quote: Marrying
        do not be offended by the words "Russian state"
        - notice when normal people say that - it does not offend anyone. And when this is significant, nationalists say, with suspicious looks at different blacks of “fellow citizens”, then these “fellow citizens” also have suspicions.
  • Zhenya
    Zhenya 29 March 2013 18: 18 New
    0
    That is, the fact that Russia is mired in millions of migrant workers is normal? Everything should be in moderation, I don’t want to see millions of Uzbeks, Tajiks, Kyrgyz, etc. on the streets, in 90% they don’t respect my culture, they don’t respect my values ​​and they can’t go anywhere with janitors, why are there millions in my country janitors? They took away 100, they all worked away and went home, but no, they wanted independence, but now they don’t want to go home and are still unhappy that in Russia more and more people want to clear their territory of guest workers. We have enough problems with the Caucasus, I don’t want to hear going into the street in the evening, not a solid Russian speech, what did you want? the Nazis will come to power, I will support them 000%. Everything should be in moderation, the measure has long been exceeded, action is needed.
  • Goblin 28
    Goblin 28 29 March 2013 23: 13 New
    +2
    Actually, nationalism is a derivative of the word "nation." What is wrong with Russian nationalism - to love your nation, your traditions, your culture and protect it from all sorts of small, but very great and proud attacks, or is it forbidden for us Russians?
    Or do you want to say that they all love and respect us? In all national republics, even with an overwhelming majority, Russians are always second-class people, and soon it will be in the Russian lands proper. You don’t have to go far for examples. Look what is happening in Tatarstan and other countries. So why is it possible for them, living at our expense, but not for us? They have heaps of all kinds of nationalist organizations with the full connivance and encouragement of local authorities.
    The Russians never touched anyone first. No need to compare Russian nationalists with baboons and frantic screamers. Look at others and compare. And do not tell stories - here I have many - many friends among ... .. and they are all very good people. At the beginning of the 90, the Russians did not cut out foreigners with impunity and did not play football with their severed heads. Where did hundreds of thousands of Russian people from the now independent republics perish? And after all, these "independent" come to us and dictate the terms.
    So let at least someone try to do something! How can!
    Here they laughed a lot at modern Cossacks, and my daughter and her friend were pulled out of the clutches of the "Dzhigits" by such "parasitic" parasites and alcoholics as they like to say. Not afraid of knives and a bit, they went away with the whips of these creatures and saved the girls. Now, when I see the Cossack patrol, the heart rejoices and is calm in the soul. And the "Dzhigits" from the streets of the village, like a cow licked its tongue. Glory to the Kuban and the Kuban Cossack army!
    All the great people and who glorified Russia were nationalists, in the good sense of the word. They were proud of their nationality, their people, their culture.
    And here we condemn nationalists, ours, Russians ... but "these" do not condemn their own. Never.
    And here, in the Kuban, nationalism is very popular. There are reasons for everything. Somehow you need to defend yourself! And then, it may take a walk along the streets of their villages somehow ... like our ancestors used to walk around ... then they will think their own abreks themselves, don't you think?
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 30 March 2013 10: 48 New
      0
      Look what is happening in Tatarstan


      What is going on? I’m just from here myself, and I want to hear the opinion of t.s. from the side, or from a fellow countryman.
  • Misantrop
    Misantrop 30 March 2013 01: 24 New
    +1
    Quote: Leshy 28
    love your nation, your traditions, your culture and protect it from the attacks of all sorts of small, but very great and proud, or we Russians are not allowed?

    Quote: Leshy 28
    And here we condemn the nationalists, our, Russian ...but "these" do not blame their own. Never.

    Exactly here it is need to be uprooted without anesthesia. All attempts by the "small but proud" to exalt their people at the expense of their neighbors. And it turns out very strange - we don’t like it in them, but we want to do it ourselves то же самое.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 30 March 2013 10: 18 New
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    Yes, I read here the nationalists first to drive out the Gaster dirty obscure, then Caucasians aggressive and arrogant, then Tatars and other aliens. And there will be happiness in Russian cities and villages, but it seems to me then the ramps begin who are purer as Russian Ryazans or Smolensk it seems to me that Russia passed . When the Tmutarakan turned into a wild field. And all nations passed through it, a completely destructive idea. You need to love your people and not hate other peoples. Hatred gives rise to hatred. I didn’t live in the time of the Republic of Ingushetia, the reaction of those peoples that were part of RI, as the local population related to the appearance of Russians, too, not understandable for the locals, it was also psychological scrapping. You need to be a Patriot and not a nationalist.
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 30 March 2013 17: 38 New
      +3
      Quote: Semurg
      I’m interested in the reaction of those peoples who were part of the Republic of Ingushetia in turn, how the local population reacted to the appearance of Russians, too, not understandable for local
      A few years ago, one of the 345th OPD veterans suddenly wanted to travel to places of past battles in Afghanistan. Signed up with colleagues, gathered, went. As it seemed to them, they were ready FOR EVERYTHING. Wrong, however. Former enemies accepted SO, as they do not accept the most respected relative. Full board, escort, security, access ANYWHERE, wherever you want. And, through a word, shuravi, you were REAL enemies, honest, not that the present scum ...
  • Semurg
    Semurg 30 March 2013 18: 21 New
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    No Afghan, they are not good winners, and the winners are generous if only not finished scumbags. But the amers weren’t defeated so that they were scum. I didn’t read on VO about the amer who traveled to Vietnam there, he was also well received. I’m wondering how exactly at the time of the appearance of strangers on their land, as now the guest men in Russia (although the guest men are not completely foreign 200 years lived in one state.) As someone said, we are responsible for those whom we accustomed.