China's "White Emperor" fighter jet is a fake!

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China's "White Emperor" fighter jet is a fake!

For some reason, with a considerable delay (I suppose the elections distracted them), American specialized media turned to the topic of the "White Emperor". And what started was surprising. The articles came in a stream, and their content was not exactly close to hysterical, rather, it seemed that the American media set the task of calming the electorate as much as possible. Here are the theses, judge for yourself:

- While China's defense industry has made significant progress in developing aircraft such as the J-20 and J-35A, the "White Emperor" seems more fiction than reality.



- Chinese state media claim it can operate in space, but experts say that is a PR stunt designed to demonstrate technological superiority and confuse foreign analysts.

- Like previous experimental aircraft, it can serve as a test bed rather than a combat fighter.

- The focus remains on China's development of stealth technologies through the J-20 and J-35 programs.

Any of these theses can be challenged, and Chinese specialized media outlets might want to do so. However, as always, there is a deathly silence from the Celestial Empire. Consistency is, of course, a sign of skill, so there is no surprise in the complete absence of any rhetoric. In China, they know what they need to know, and the opinion of the American side is of little interest to anyone there.

So let's try to figure out what they write in the US about the "White Emperor", what is it: a real military aircraft or a non-science fiction invention?


Of the vehicles the Chinese are showing the world, what actually is and what is not a real example of China's next-generation fighter has once again become the subject of increasing speculation.

This has been made possible by several new aircraft prototypes unveiled in recent months.

At the top of the list of new developments is a project for an aircraft called "Baidi" or "White Emperor", which was unveiled last November and raised many questions about its true purpose.


More than 15 years Chinese aviation The Air Force Industrial Corporation (AVIC) is working on the serial production of a new generation of combat aircraft that could compete with the American F-22A and F-35 aircraft.

The mystery of how far they had come was partially revealed on January 11, 2011, when a Chengdu Aerospace (CAC) J-20 aircraft made its first public flight from the company's headquarters at Airfield 132.


Not to be outdone, CAC’s main competitor, Shenyang Aircraft Works (SAC), unveiled one of the first prototypes of what is now known as the J-2012A almost two years later in October 35. It was then designated the FC-31 in its export configuration and made its maiden flight at the Air Show China in November 2014 in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province.

Here it is necessary to understand that Chinese companies producing military aircraft prefer to show their achievements in their new developments during the exhibition in Zhuhai, which is held only in even years. It is like the new military equipment in the USSR was shown at the parade on November 7 in Moscow.

In the case of the J-20, J-36 and SAC's latest development, these flights took place immediately after the November exhibition.


"White Emperor" in Zhuhai

The 2024th China International Aviation and Space Technology Exhibition, or Air Show China, was held in November 15. It coincided with the 75th anniversary of the founding of the People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF).

For three decades, the exhibition (except during the pandemic) has been a large-scale event where AVIC and other major Chinese defense concerns showcase their latest achievements.

Airshow China has long been the largest aerospace exhibition in China, and there have been numerous rumors that the SAC J-35A, presumably a carrier-based version of the company's light stealth fighter, will return to Zhuhai to show off how much the design has improved since the FC-31 first appeared a decade ago.

But Chinese industry is no less adept and cunning than the rest of the state apparatus when it comes to showcasing deceptively “new” weapons systems that are not intended for mass production or are even prototypes of real developments.

In the US, they believe that the "White Emperor" was the latest example of such a way for the Chinese to deceive everyone.

The English-language South China Morning Post, published in Hong Kong and the main source News to the outside world, reported that the aircraft was a project by state-owned aerospace and defense conglomerate AVIC to develop what state media called an "integrated aerospace fighter."

Voice of China, a subsidiary of Beijing Central Television (CCTV), reported that "the design concept includes the ability to fly at supersonic speeds and break through the Earth's atmosphere to operate in space."

White Emperor: More Science Fiction Than Science?



But few observers see the aircraft as anything more than an "attention-grabbing" object that simultaneously demonstrates AVIC's technological superiority and creates as much confusion as possible.

A recent article in a publication such as NI, which we know, notes about China's aviation program:

“Neither the J-36 nor the new SAC aircraft bear any relation to the fictional comic book model ‘White Emperor’ displayed in Zhuhai.” The phrase “White Emperor,” used in the same discussions of “sixth-generation aircraft,” “is misleading at best and active disinformation at worst. It’s like including ‘Dark Star’ from Top Gun: Maverick in an analysis of real hypersonic aircraft developments.”

What is forgotten is that in the world of combat aircraft design there are many examples of aircraft that were built and tested but never entered production. Instead, they were intended to provide data that could be used to design an entirely different type of platform. One example is the Russian Su-47 Berkut, which became a flying testbed for many new aircraft designs.


Take another look at the Tacit Blue test rig built by Northrop decades ago.


Not only could this clumsy galosh fly, it also became a key step in the development of the B-2 stealth bomber. But excuse me, where is the B-2 and where is this? But this scenario may be the most plausible explanation for the existence of the "White Emperor". A test program or someone's scientific project, but not intended for use as a combat fighter.

So the US is in doubt. No one there knows whether the Chinese 6th generation White Emperor NGAD fighter exists, or the cunning Chinese just want to scare the average person with their power and strength.

Many people today are asking themselves: can China overtake the US and Russia in the aviation technology race? What if this stealthy (you get it, it's a fetish in the US) sixth-generation fighter "White Emperor" really has the capabilities that are expected of it? Experts are constantly studying the hypothetical capabilities of the aircraft, and there are two key points that are worth voicing.

Key point #1: This high-tech aircraft has hypersonic capabilities, can fly at low altitudes, is integrated with artificial intelligence, and may be equipped with lasers or other weapons to destroy enemy satellites.

Key Point #2: While the U.S. Next Generation Air Superiority (NGAD) program faces funding uncertainty and Russia’s MiG-41 remains a distant prospect, China’s rapid progress suggests it could be operational by 2035 or sooner. Beijing’s willingness to invest heavily without constraints allows it to alter the global balance of air power, posing a serious threat to U.S. air superiority and regional security.

There is, of course, much to discuss and doubt here, from the aircraft's ability to fly in space (we will return to this below) to the threat to regional security. The latter is especially questionable, since the presence of a strong Chinese air force in the region cannot in any way threaten security. This is the same as saying that a thousand American F-35s threaten the security of all of America.

What could we expect from the White Emperor in the future?



Artificial intelligence, motherships-drones and hypersonic weapons – that’s an incomplete set of horror stories for tomorrow. There are also high-energy weapons, swarms of drones and something else that hasn’t been invented yet, but is being worked on in secret laboratories.

As many experts see it, all new-generation aircraft will rely on advances in artificial intelligence to improve pilot information capabilities. The better a pilot knows the tactical situation, the faster he or she will be able to react to changes. Artificial intelligence will likely control autonomous drones such as the “Loyal Wingman,” which will be able to fly ahead to scout, relay target data to the pilot, use their weapons, and act as flying stations. EW.

Sixth-generation fighters can be equipped with hypersonic weapons or will be able to rise to near-earth altitudes and destroy satellites. The maximum speed can reach 4+ Mach.

This is doubtful. The fact is that no aircraft of classical design is capable of rising into space using the lifting force of the wing and thrust.

It must be said that no modern aircraft can rise to an altitude of even 100 kilometers using the lift of its wing. The density of the atmosphere quickly decreases with altitude, and very soon it simply becomes insufficient to create lift. And turbojet engines do not want to work without atmospheric oxygen and, characteristically, do not work.

So the maximum that an aircraft with conventional engines has climbed to is almost 26 km in the Lockheed S-71 Blackbird.


But if you put a third one into a regular plane missile engine and solve the problem of placing rocket fuel and oxidizer, then yes, the plane will be able to go into orbit. The only question is how long it will be able to perform various evolutions there. In general, this is generally feasible, the only question is the size of the plane.

By the way, the "White Emperor" seems to have three engines. This is very stressful for experts where they are worried, because such a device, having entered orbit at an altitude of 150-200 km above the Earth, already poses a threat to ANY orbital satellite group at altitudes from 300 to 550 km.

It is important to understand that physically, a rocket that will be at such an altitude will have to make virtually no effort to overcome air resistance and Earth gravity. And instead of the 150-200 km that modern air-to-air missiles fly, such a rocket will be able to cover a much greater distance and at any altitude dump the most deadly cargo for satellites - metal balls. And that's it, and the orbital group at a certain altitude will have a very difficult time.

Cheap and cheerful, and no lasers required.


North American X-15

The first "space" aircraft was a hybrid of an airplane and a rocket plane, the North American X-15.


An ordinary plane (B-8,5 bomber) lifted it to a height of 52 km, after which the plane used a rocket engine. This thing made almost two hundred flights, a large number of suborbital ones and twice went beyond the so-called "Karman line", that is, the X-15 under the control of Joe Walker ended up in space.

The flight achieved an unofficial altitude record for an airplane, which lasted from 1963 to 2004. Maximum speed - 7274 km/h. Maximum altitude - 107,96 km. The record was broken only in 2005 by the SpaceShipOne vessel, which managed to rise to 112 km.

The profile of most flights looked something like this: after separation from the carrier aircraft, the X-15 liquid rocket engine was turned on for 85 seconds. By the time the engine was turned off, the acceleration was about 4G (39 m/s²). At the apogee of the trajectory, the craft left the atmosphere, and weightlessness lasted about 4 minutes. During this time, the pilot conducted planned research and oriented (using jet gas rudders) the craft for re-entry into the atmosphere. During re-entry, the outer skin of the craft heated up to 650°C in places. Overloads during the re-entry section reached 5G for 20 seconds. The total flight time from separation from the carrier to landing was 12 minutes.


SpaceShipOne operated in exactly the same way. But these were suborbital jumps into space along a parabolic trajectory. For work or combat operations in orbit, the apparatus must be different, more like the Buran or the Space Shuttle.


The "White Emperor" does not look like a space shuttle, that's true, but the ability, like the American devices, to jump out into space and do something like that there - the capabilities of the device may be enough for this. The only question is exclusively in returning back. For this, expensive and heavy thermal insulation is needed, without which there is no way to do. And if the Chinese have not come up with anything - they still have a lot to work on.

So, possible hypersonic speeds at the boundary of dense layers of the atmosphere are not yet a spacecraft. And not even a subspace one, but who knows what the Chinese are actually planning?

Is China Leading the Sixth Generation Race?


The "White Emperor" could be ready by 2035 if AVIC gets its way and China decides to move from the prototype stage to production. So by the end of the decade, if all the tests are satisfactory, the "White Emperor" could go into production. And that would mean only one thing: the US with its NGAD project lost to China. And there are no other contenders, so we won't be looking at the paper projects of the Europeans and the outright fairy tale about the MiG-41, which will fly in 2025, will we?

However, the debates about whether this "White Emperor" will go into production, and if so, when, do not subside. And only the Chinese can give an answer by demonstrating a certain number of these devices. Let's say that if there is one thing they know how to do, it is to organize dashing presentations in China, so the whole world will once again stand on its ears if a certain number of these machines are arranged to fly by at the next parade.

Whether they will have lasers or railguns in the future, or whether Chinese weapons makers will come up with something else fantastic, is not so important. What is important is the existence itself. And whether the "White Emperors" will unleash a war in space or something else - this, in the end, is secondary.

Of course, the Americans would very much like to be sure that the "White Emperor" is a fake, a mock-up or whatever, but, alas, it is a prototype that is already flying. And it can no longer be talked about as a potential project like NGAD or MiG-41.

The MiG-41 is still unclear at what stage, while its American counterpart NGAD is on a “pause” in development until the US Department of Defense takes another close look at the program. The new US Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is generally more interested in creating drones, so NGAD could be unmanned, which would significantly delay the acquisition process. But even NGAD's prototype flight is still a long way off. We're talking about a flight that would be shown to the public, as the Chinese did, and not just a statement from Roper, the US Air Force's Under Secretary for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics, that NGAD has started flying. As they say, let's bring the evidence, gentlemen! Gentlemen take your word for it, but not that much...

In general, China should be pleased with the way the country is moving toward the next, sixth-generation aircraft. Hypersonic weapons, including nuclear ones, stealth, artificial intelligence, directed energy weapons, flight altitudes close to space - all these ambitious qualities for the "White Emperor" or any other possible Chinese fighter program will be very useful not only in combat but also in political terms.

And speaking of money...


We have already said that, according to American sources, NGAD could cost up to $300 million per unit. This figure should go down, otherwise Hegseth will most likely not invest so much money in the project. And in general, it seems that the time of unlimited budgets for the United States is over. Congress will also have a say in this matter, and there is an opinion that Congress will side with those who will tighten the screws until they creak. If President Trump does not like to look at rusty ships, although there is money for maintenance fleet are allocated regularly, which means there is no point in spending them.

Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Roger Wicker and House Armed Services Committee Chairman Mike Rogers wanted to spend far more on defense than the Biden administration. But when Hegseth was confirmed and announced $50 billion in annual budget cuts, Wicker and Rogers stopped discussing increased defense spending.

NGAD may end up being a stillborn project (like Freedom, Independence, F-22, Seawolf, and so on in the list of failures of recent years) precisely because of cost constraints.

The Chinese, however, are happy with this, as limited defense budgets do not hinder Xi Jinping. He is willing to let his aircraft manufacturers use their engineering capabilities to create a fully functioning “White Emperor,” or perhaps something close to it, by the end of the decade.

In the East they say: "Even if you say "halva" a hundred times, it won't make your mouth any sweeter." In the US, they can declare the "White Emperor" a mockup or a fake as much as they want, but when China literally shows these aircraft in service with the PLA Air Force in five years (as it did with the same J-20), then the race for primacy in sixth-generation fighters will end for both Russia and the US.

Of course, Comrade Xi will be very happy about this, it will be a very strong boost to China's prestige, but we will not sound the alarm and become despondent. It is frankly too early, it is not the sixth generation that is fighting in the world today. And not even the fifth. And this is also something that must be well understood.
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  1. +12
    5 March 2025 03: 23
    The Chinese are great, of course, but to understand that the first photo is a non-flying piece of crap, and the rest are barely capable of flight, not even a prototype, but a concept, you don’t need a lot of intelligence.
    1. +8
      5 March 2025 04: 11
      White Emperor: More Science Fiction Than Science?
      But it looks beautiful, futuristic! winked
      1. -1
        5 March 2025 08: 52
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        But it looks beautiful, futuristic!

        Yeah, the creators of Top Gun 3 have made things easier...
      2. +6
        5 March 2025 08: 53
        There are no heights that communists cannot reach. The Internet remembers everything. As they wrote here about the Chinese, "they will never be able to build an aircraft carrier," "all their UAVs are child's play," "they won't be able to create a carrier-based aircraft," "they won't be able to make a catapult." And now all the "kulak yes-men" are singing about how "the plane is made of plywood." Although the Reichstag turned out to be made of plywood.
        1. +6
          5 March 2025 15: 37
          I generally agree, but I have one question - can you tell me, is it normal for the Communist Party to have members of the party of billionaires who exploit the labor of hired workers and appropriate the results of their labor?
          1. +2
            5 March 2025 17: 24
            Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
            I have one question - can you tell me, is it normal for the Communist Party to have members of the party of billionaires who exploit the labor of hired workers and appropriate the results of their labor?

            And you might want to find out how the word “communism” sounds in Chinese and its reverse translation.
            "Power of Clans"!
            And they are not far from the original source, because in translation from Latin, including vulgar (folk) Latin (French), the word "communism" comes from the word "commune" - community.
            The Chinese don't have the word "community" in their dictionary, but they do have an analogue - the word "clan". Therefore, as soon as they translated it, everything immediately became clear to them and they don't do anything from the literal meaning of communism. In a clan there is a Head, he is elected and he decides everything. Well, there is also a "council of elders", they also decide everything in strategic planning. And about the uselessness of billionaires and wealth in general, the Chinese know nothing and love money very much.
            1. +1
              5 March 2025 17: 35
              That's exactly what they don't have, communism, but a translation of this word, and under Mao they didn't have billionaires.
              1. +7
                5 March 2025 17: 56
                Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
                and under Mao they didn't have billionaires.

                Under Mao they had poverty and the "Great Leap Forward" with quirks like killing sparrows.
                And who told you that under Stalin, when Socialism was just being built in the USSR, rich people, including millionaires, were not envisaged? And there were such. Under Stalin, we had a Multi-Structured Economy, when, along with state enterprises and collective farms, there were production cooperatives, artels, and individual labor activity was widespread.
                It was under Khrushchev that we began to build a caricature of “socialism for the poor.”
                1. 0
                  6 March 2025 13: 19
                  I know about Stalin, as well as I know that in general the artels were not enterprises of global scale, and the profit there did not go to one owner. Now the NEP is more like what you are describing, but there are more Trotskyists there than Stalin.
                  1. +2
                    6 March 2025 13: 32
                    Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
                    I know about Stalin, as well as I know that in general the artels were not global-scale enterprises

                    In fact, industrial cooperative enterprises accounted for 18% of the USSR's GDP. Among them were fairly large shoe factories, factories producing the first televisions, radios, tape recorders, and most consumer goods and a significant portion of food products were produced by industrial cooperatives. Even our world-famous Mil and Kamov helicopter design bureaus began their work as design cooperatives under government contracts. And under Stalin, this direction was encouraged in every possible way, because it was precisely this type of labor organization that best corresponded to the ideology of Socialism.
                    By the way, absolutely all children's and Christmas tree toys in the USSR were produced by cooperatives and artels of Promkooperatsiya. After their abolition, both Christmas tree and children's toys disappeared in the USSR for many years. And the Trotskyite-Khrushchevite USSR never managed to cope with the shortage of consumer goods until the end of its days. This is what it means to break a perfectly built and organized state over the knee. After all of Khrushchev's "reforms", the USSR turned into a parody of a socialist state - into barracks socialism for the poor. Thus the Enemy of the People took revenge on the Country, its Leader and Creator and the entire Soviet People.
                    Quote: Pavel Kislyakov
                    the profit there did not go to just one owner.

                    This was the meaning of Promkooperatsiya. And the charters for such enterprises were drawn up by the state.
                    1. -1
                      9 March 2025 14: 25
                      But why did Comrade Stalin never mention industrial cooperation in his speeches and appearances, as if it did not exist? You certainly exaggerated about 18 percent of GDP, the figures were more modest. By the way, several years before the abolition of industrial cooperation (although prospectors' artels, artels of the disabled and art crafts artels were still left), the largest factories of industrial cooperation were transferred to state ownership. The justification was as follows - industrial cooperation was originally an association of cooperative artisans and craftsmen, and these enterprises had long ceased to be handicrafts.
                      1. +2
                        9 March 2025 16: 26
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        But why did Comrade Stalin never mention industrial cooperation in his speeches and appearances, as if it did not exist?

                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        But why did Comrade Stalin never mention industrial cooperation in his speeches and appearances, as if it did not exist?

                        From the very beginning of the implementation of his program, he wrote and spoke about this: about agricultural cooperatives (collective farms), and about artels, and about production cooperatives. And in his speech at the congress (not a party, but an economic one), summing up the results of the 1st Five-Year Plan, he gave the following example (I am reproducing from memory): “In the first five-year plan, we built a huge textile factory in Ivanovo, which produces all types of fabrics and covers 50% of the fabric needs of our citizens. Having saved up money, we initially wanted to build a number of sewing factories for the production of ready-made clothes in the second five-year plan, but after thinking about it, we decided to do otherwise and use this money to build another such factory to meet 100% of our citizens' needs for fabrics. And to farm out the sewing of ready-made clothes to production cooperatives, artels, and individual dressmakers. They have a better sense of the needs of citizens, fashion, and sew to order. So for the same money we solve not 50%, but 100% of the issue of providing our citizens with fabrics and ready-made clothes. And We give freedom for development to the cooperative movement, artels and home-based milliners."
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Regarding 18 percent of GDP, you are, of course, exaggerating; the figures were more modest.

                        No, these are exact figures from the official statistics of those years. But Stalin believed that this was not enough and the share of industrial cooperation (excluding individuals) should be no less than 25%. For this is the most socialist form of ownership of the means of production in the Solidarity-Socialist Society.
                        Surprised?
                        Just read Stalin, there is a lot there that is relevant to today.
                      2. 0
                        9 March 2025 16: 47
                        That's how I read Stalin. Frankly, he's a far cry from Lenin as a theoretician. There's been a lot of fuss lately about his latest work, "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR." In my opinion, it's a thoroughly dogmatic work. Was the concept of gross domestic product even used in those days?
                      3. +2
                        9 March 2025 17: 17
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Was the concept of gross domestic product even used back then?

                        It was used. But they only thought of including services in this shaft in the USA, and from them the rest. But they mainly counted in "pieces, liters, kilograms".
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        That's how I read Stalin. Frankly, he's a far cry from Lenin as a theoretician.

                        He was engaged in practice. He took up the theory of (developed) socialist society only shortly before his death.
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        There has been a lot of fuss lately about his latest work, "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR." In my opinion, it is a thoroughly dogmatic work.

                        Well, that's in your opinion. I knew some really serious specialists (and also practitioners) who valued this and other works by Stalin very highly. They were leading specialists in their fields. Among them was the head of the Brainstorming Group at the Oil and Gas Industry Institute. All 17 members of his group later made very successful careers - up to the level of deputy minister and leading specialists of the largest companies. By the way, I first saw the Complete Works of I.V. Stalin in his home library (this is my friend's father) and we talked a lot about these topics with this wise man (he was then - in the early 90s - a little over 70). And it was clear from the books that their owner worked with them. He found solutions to current issues in them. He himself began his working career in the State Planning Committee, as the best graduate of his university, and before the institute he served in the Navy for 5 years. Since 1943 I have communicated with other highly respected and authoritative people. And with odious ones too. And I also had the chance to participate in the voting for the creation of the All-Russian Economic Society named after Sharapov. In the very same hall where the children's choir sang "Goodbye America" ​​in the film "Brother 2".
                      4. 0
                        9 March 2025 16: 59
                        In scientific literature I came across such figures about the share of industrial cooperation. About two million people worked. The share in the total volume of industrial production was approximately 6 percent, including the production of consumer goods, more than 20 percent. In some areas the percentage was higher. But in the sphere of household services for the population the share was much higher. As I understand it, prospecting artels were listed in a special column.
                      5. +2
                        9 March 2025 17: 39
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        But in the sphere of household services the share was much higher. As I understand it, prospecting teams were listed under a special column.

                        At that time, a large, if not overwhelming majority of restaurants, cafes, hairdressers, studios, dentists' offices (these were usually private\individual owners with a patent) were cooperative. And a very large part of the shops. So, on average for the economy, 18% is a real figure. And that's without individuals, of whom there were also quite a few. I heard about individual furniture makers who made wonderful furniture, and I saw their work. So Stalin was building a Multi-Structured Economy. Industrialization ensured the industrial and scientific-technical breakthrough of the Country from bast shoes straight to world leaders. But the Quality of Life of Soviet citizens, in addition to social laws and programs, had to be ensured by People's Enterprises of industrial cooperation, artels and individual craftsmen. And the State helped them with this.
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        As I understand it, prospecting teams were treated under a special category.

                        Unlikely, because these were collectively owned enterprises engaged in productive labor. There were also logging cooperatives, for the production of various utensils, for sewing shoes. And many cooperatives also felted felt boots for the front, my grandfather was the head of such a felting workshop from the "Kedrovaya Shishka" (logging) cooperative.
                        It is necessary to understand in what conditions the formation of the Country of Soviets took place - the Civil War, post-war devastation and disorder, a decade of NEP, then the Stalin Program (Collectivization and Industrialization), barely in time - the War, post-war reconstruction and the beginning of the Cold War. This is constant extreme and a race against time. Hesitate a little, be late, make a mistake - the end for the entire State, and the People. These were decades of wild extreme, to the point of rupture of tendons and ligaments. People's Commissars died young at their posts from overwork ... What can we say about ordinary people. But what People they were - steel, like flint. And what pure souls ... what morality. I remember many people of that generation. They strained themselves for us creating the Country ... who would have known that after Stalin's death such scum would break into power ...
                      6. 0
                        9 March 2025 17: 11
                        When the industrial cooperation enterprises were abolished, most of the food and bakery enterprises from the industrial cooperation system were transferred not to the state, but to the consumer cooperation system, which, although in a significantly emasculated form, also belonged to cooperative property. And so, in 1956, the industrial cooperation was deprived of full-fledged industrial enterprises, leaving only what was related to consumer services and handicraft enterprises. And in 1960, the rest was either transferred to the state, or to a lesser extent, to the consumer cooperation. Plus, as I already wrote, the issue of prospectors' artels (my relatives worked in such, though in the 80s), artels of the disabled and art crafts artels was decided separately. I think that the transformation of a significant part of the collective farms into state farms followed the same policy.
                      7. +1
                        9 March 2025 17: 51
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        I think that the transformation of a significant portion of collective farms into state farms followed the same policy.

                        Yes, everything happened exactly then, everything was on Khrushchev’s initiative.
                        But he also abolished the Soviet Government!!!
                        And industry ministries!!!
                        And Gosplan was dissolved, which at that time was at such a height of professionalism and quality of state planning. What "Stalinist bison" worked there... what intelligence, experience and insight... I am speaking from the words of an acquaintance of mine, who managed to work there for several years after the institute, before the dissolution/abolition.
                        Khrushchev introduced "direct party control" at that time. Moreover, he renamed the Bolshevik Party itself - from the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) to some kind of CPSU (already of the Trotskyist persuasion). This was a complete defeat of the Soviet State. All the best personnel were dismissed or demoted. By the beginning of the 60s, the USSR economy experienced a complete collapse in a number of sectors, monstrous deficits appeared, the standard of living of citizens fell from the "middle class" into complete poverty... Just look at the monetary reform with the revaluation of the ruble (a sharp reduction in the gold content). And how did they cut the salaries of specialists? And what did the bastard do with the engineering corps?? Into poverty!! Engineers became ordinary workers in order to feed their families. It is not for nothing that one wise old Japanese man said: “Until 1955, you were unattainably wise... And immediately after, you became like 5-year-old children.”
                2. +1
                  9 March 2025 14: 13
                  In fact, collective farms and artel-cooperatives in cities belonged to the same group of enterprises of the collective farm-cooperative form of ownership. It was just that for a number of reasons, collective farms had less real independence.
                  1. +1
                    9 March 2025 14: 28
                    Absolutely right, the form of ownership is the same and the charters are similar.
                3. +1
                  9 March 2025 14: 21
                  Under Mao, former owners of private enterprises received 5 percent of the profits of their former enterprises. Although the "Cultural Revolution" passed over them too. Many of the entrepreneurs who survived until the beginning of Deng's reforms again took up their usual business. And Jun Yiren, the largest Chinese entrepreneur, a representative of one of the richest Chinese families, who again actively took up business in 1978, was even the Deputy Chairman of the PRC in 1993-1998. Although he was repressed during the years of the "Cultural Revolution".
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                    9 March 2025 14: 44
                    In Russia after the Great Patriotic War, nationalization took place during the Civil War, so everything was very harsh and without compensation. Although some former owners loyal to the authorities were appointed directors of these industries and enterprises. Then came the NEP with the rampant private owners - sharakhanya. Because the Bolsheviks were definitely not ready to take all the power into their own hands, for them too everything happened quite unexpectedly. But they saved Russia from collapse and death, when it was already being torn apart from the national outskirts, and fleets and contingents of interventionists entered our ports from all sides.
                    As for the cultural revolution in China, Xi also had his fill of it in his youth - several years in a correctional and re-educational camp in the countryside. He once told an interviewer that he barely survived back then.
            2. +1
              5 March 2025 23: 57
              This is so, a very specific team of peoples united under the common name of Chinese. It is worth watching their films and cartoons (no need to be pretentious, huge games are made on them and culture is promoted) about cultivators and clans and their mentality immediately becomes clear.
              1. 0
                9 March 2025 14: 30
                Come on, the Han, who make up 93 percent of the population of the PRC, are a single people, despite regional and dialectal differences. The people there have been thoroughly mixed over the past decades, tens of millions of people have changed their place of residence. For the younger generation, all these regional differences no longer matter.
        2. +3
          5 March 2025 17: 14
          There's quite a distance between an aircraft carrier and a spaceship. Aircraft carriers have been churned out for a hundred years, but things are so-so with spaceships. And the Chinese are so-so communists too
          1. +1
            5 March 2025 23: 59
            Why so-so? Buran worked great on regular automatics. And there was also a variant from Bartini but it was hounded.
            1. 0
              6 March 2025 01: 54
              Buran is not a spaceship at all in the sense that the article is talking about, it was supposed to have two thousand tons of energy to put it into orbit. That it would go straight from the airfield into orbit and then back in one piece - there is no such thing, attempts to do something like that have long been abandoned - it is difficult to fool physics
        3. -1
          5 March 2025 22: 09
          Quote: Civil
          They wrote about the Chinese "who will never be able to build an aircraft carrier", "all their UAVs are child's play", "who won't be able to create a carrier-based aircraft", "who won't be able to make a catapult"

          All PLA Navy aircraft are Soviet-built. The one that is supposed to have a catapult, the Nimitz or Ford class, weighing 100 tons, is still a paper project. The Chinese carrier-based aircraft J-11B is based on the Su-27/Su-33, and only the name is Chinese. Chinese UAVs are taken by countries that cannot afford or do not have the opportunity to buy American or Israeli ones. During the operation of Chinese attack UAVs Wing Long and the like, a lot of problems were revealed, such as a small combat load, a large EPR, since the Chinese do not know how to make them from aircraft composites, but make them from aircraft aluminum, and poor reliability. This miracle called the "White Emperor" does not fly at all, all independent aircraft designers say so.
      3. +3
        5 March 2025 12: 00
        Gamer Mouse Style Airplane laughing
      4. +4
        5 March 2025 17: 48
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        But it looks beautiful, futuristic!

        It looks interesting and even nice, but it is definitely not a "hypersonic" aircraft. The basis (principle) of the airframe architecture (center section) is taken from the T-10 (Su-27\30\35), the wing is similar to the MiG-1.42 prototype or their J-20, the slightly downward-sloping nose with the "cockpit" speaks of ambitions for good maneuverability, as well as the horizontal stabilizer, which is not compatible with hypersonics at all. Engines... The main thing here is what China can really do today\tomorrow. And this is a refined prototype of the late Soviet\early Russian R-279V-300 with a thrust of 18,5 tf. This is a very good indicator, 1 tf higher than the SR-71 had and 2 tf higher than the MiG-31. Therefore, the speed of such a device can be estimated on the maximum scale of 3 - 3,5 M. The "low-visibility" configuration of the glider suggests that such a high speed is not at all a task and the device should be expected to reach speeds of up to 3000 km / h - plus / minus. If it is accelerated to such speeds at all. Most likely, they will limit themselves to the permitted speed of 2 - 2,5 M. But with low visibility and cruising supersonic speed.
        And about going into space and laser duels with the "Death Star", it's all from an irrepressible imagination.
        Oh yeah - FLAT NOZZLES. Which also reduce thrust by 10-15% when transforming the flow in the channel. So if it does fly, it will simply be a more successful replacement for the not entirely successful J-20. Or perhaps it will remain a concept or a mockup. Because it hasn't flown yet. If it had taken off, they would have definitely shown it.
    2. 0
      6 March 2025 09: 36
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      It doesn't take much intelligence to understand that the first photo is a non-flying thing, and the rest are barely capable of flight, not even a prototype, but a concept.

      We need to look not at the flying crap, but at the psychology of the Chinese. There can be hundreds of divisions and projects within one company. What happens to their cars, phones, computers.
      1. 0
        6 March 2025 09: 40
        Quote: APASUS
        We need to look not at the flying crap, but at the psychology of the Chinese.

        What does the psychology of the Chinese and jumping around the concept have to do with it? It's not the Chinese who are jumping around with assumptions...
  2. -3
    5 March 2025 04: 50
    Roman, I will correct you, the MiG31 climbed to a height of more than 40 kilometers, setting an absolute record for serial aircraft. And then the plane was made as light as possible, and the body was strengthened so that it could withstand flight at such an altitude. And then, when the plane landed, the pilot waited for the canopy of the cockpit, deformed from overheating, to be cut in order to leave the plane.
    1. +20
      5 March 2025 05: 20
      Allow me to correct you a little. After all, it was a MiG-25 (E-266). August 31, 1977. Absolute altitude record – 37 m (pilot A.V. Fedotov)
      1. +3
        5 March 2025 06: 22
        Quote: AlexHens
        August 31, 1977. Absolute altitude record – 37 m
        Of course, it was a record, but it was not a production aircraft that was supplied to air regiments in its standard configuration.
      2. +5
        5 March 2025 10: 02
        There, Alexander Vasilyevich Fedotov set THREE records on a MiG-25RB with an R15BF2-300 engine: on July 22 - 37080 m with a load of 1 and 2 tons, on August 21 - 37650 m without a load.

        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        but it was not a production aircraft

        Aircraft with the R15BF2-300 engine could have been mass-produced, but everything again rested on the capabilities of industry, and its capacity to establish serial production at the engine-building plant was not there. The emphasis was placed on the two-seat fighter-interceptor MiG-25MP, which is the prototype of the MiG-31.
    2. +1
      5 March 2025 08: 48
      Lockheed reached 26 km in horizontal flight. And the MiG-31 accelerated at an altitude of 20 km, and then went into vertical climb and reached 40 km in flight by inertia.
  3. +3
    5 March 2025 04: 54
    The Chinese knockoff is just a concept, not even a prototype, with such air intakes it has nothing to do in space, this aircraft can fly a couple of dozen kilometers into the air, more is doubtful.
    1. +1
      5 March 2025 12: 05
      This is what they hint at about the third engine, a rocket engine, for going into space. Meanwhile, the turbines and air intakes are resting...
      1. +1
        5 March 2025 14: 54
        Quote: stankow
        This is what they hint at about the third engine, a rocket engine, for going into space.
        Maybe it's just some kind of one-time accelerator?
        1. 0
          6 March 2025 15: 32
          A solid-fuel accelerator is certainly cheaper and more reliable. Then we install two - one for reaching the suborbit, the second for speed suppression. Yes, it's expensive, but the speed and range are amazing. And it's the end of the aircraft carrier. Or satellite. Or AWACS aircraft.
  4. 0
    5 March 2025 05: 13
    Of course, Comrade Xi will be very happy about this, it will be a very strong boost to China's prestige, but we will not sound the alarm and become despondent. It is frankly too early, it is not the sixth generation that is fighting in the world today. And not even the fifth. And this is also something that must be well understood.

    As it became known from authoritative sources, Russia and the USA are struggling to create a perfect electromagnetic weapon. Its owner will regain leadership in the field of military equipment and weapons. And Russia has something:
    The Russian microwave cannon will be able to hit shock drones at distances of up to 20 kilometers.
    The information that has appeared that the Russian military is testing a prototype of the latest weapons, in particular, we are talking about an anti-aircraft microwave complex, allows us to judge that today this weapon may be the most effective means of combating unmanned aerial vehicles. At the moment, it is known that the effective range of target destruction by the prototype is about 5 kilometers, however, the serial complex is expected to be able to hit targets at distances of up to 20 kilometers.

    Moreover, Russia has created the material that enables our hypersonic missiles to fly:
    MISiS materials scientists have created a ceramic material, hafnium carbonitride, capable of withstanding a record temperature of 4200 °C.

    We will wait for concrete results so that we have something to compare with.
    1. +7
      5 March 2025 10: 57
      Moreover, Russia has created the material that enables our hypersonic missiles to fly:
      I'm sick of this hafnium carbonitride.
      1) The price of 1 kg of hafnium is more than $700/kg, the density is more than 13 g/cm1. This means that 1 sq. m. of coating with a thickness of 10000 mm will cost much more than $XNUMX.
      2) Yes, it is a refractory material. So what? Tungsten is also refractory, but protective coatings are not made from it: it burns perfectly. The heat of combustion of hafnium carbonitride is twice as much as that of magnesium! It is chemically very similar to zirconium carbonitride, and burns with a blinding white flame.
      3) This substance is a typical interstitial compound, nitrogen and carbon are in the interstices of the hafnium lattice. And therefore, by its properties, it is a metal, i.e. it has high thermal conductivity. And if so, then thermal protection of anything cannot be done! It is the same as making a jacket out of iron. Thermal protection should be made of ceramics, better - of porous reinforced ceramics, even better - with an ablative filler. And that is how it is made. Refractory hafnium carbonitride is an interesting scientific result, but it is of zero use for protection against erosion during hypersonic flight for missiles and spacecraft!
  5. +3
    5 March 2025 06: 05
    Ah, dreams.... But I think all countries are stuck on materials, they must withstand high temperatures, heavy bending and fracture loads, both when heated and when cold. Also, this device must have some kind of "vision" at the stage of entering space and when entering the atmosphere. Have the Chinese solved all these issues? So far, there is only an assumption that ours were able to solve the problem of visibility through plasma, but this is just an assumption. If we assume that the descent occurs smoothly without the formation of plasma, then immediately the question of keeping the device in space, there must be gas-dynamic rudders and AI in addition. If the speed is reduced by the lower plane of the device (hello Shuttles), then where is the heat protection on the device? Perhaps the device jumps out into the stratosphere 50-60 thousand meters, where there may still be weak pressure on the plane, which will allow you to control the device. And not all of its nozzles are angled, which also does not contribute to control in a rarefied atmosphere.
    In my opinion, it’s too early for him to go into space, but he can rise into the stratosphere. hi
    1. +1
      5 March 2025 12: 08
      Why do you need vision? Using instruments you can overcome the (bright) entry into the atmosphere.
      1. 0
        5 March 2025 23: 53
        I agree that it is possible, and spacecraft fly exactly like that, but it is not a spacecraft but a fighter... And since it is a fighter, it should see everything and, having found a target, attack it. And since it is based on instruments, there will be very little data, and you can definitely forget about detection and target designation. hi
        1. 0
          6 March 2025 15: 36
          So he will lose his “sight” for several minutes on the way back, only upon entering the atmosphere.
    2. 0
      5 March 2025 17: 17
      What other materials? The problem is in the design of jet engines, which the higher the speed, the less efficient. You can't fly far on one stage, the planet is too big and heavy
  6. -2
    5 March 2025 06: 38
    It's clear right away, it's a 100% fake, I don't understand why the Chinese haven't cloned the MiG-25, they have access to it, they could coat it with stealth thermal paint, make the air intakes and nozzles with an ERP screen, replace the cockpit canopy, the blister with steel, there's enough radar, camera and instruments for piloting, and it could easily accelerate to Mach 4, oh yeah, two solid-fuel boosters and it could fly at an altitude of 30-35 km like in space drinks
    1. +1
      6 March 2025 09: 00
      In fact, the Chinese do this in everything. They take a product, disassemble it down to the last screw, and use it to make their own cheaper and lower-quality analogues. The problem is that the Chinese cannot make many things as well as they do in the West. They have not yet reached such technologies. The same is true for Soviet aircraft. They seem to have copied them, but they do not know how to make, for example, an engine with at least the same characteristics. So, access to the MIG-25 is not enough.
  7. +8
    5 March 2025 07: 01
    The Russian words "lie" and "linden" have finally gone out of use...
    1. 0
      5 March 2025 15: 14
      Quote: Vulpes
      The Russian words "lie" and "linden" have finally gone out of use...

      There is a word "blizzard" laughing
  8. -4
    5 March 2025 07: 42
    - "..and the yellow race will rule the world!" That's for sure, everything is heading in that direction, whether someone likes it or not, it's just a fact and not a prophecy. There's no point in doubting here, it will fly, this one or another, but hundreds will fly. Not long ago, Chinese cars were also laughed at, gloated over, and belittled. And now they're discussing which one is better and which one to save up for!
    1. 0
      5 March 2025 10: 53
      Quote: Vadim S
      That's for sure, everything is heading in that direction, whether someone likes it or not, it's just a fact.

      Do not hurry...
      Quote: Vadim S
      And now they are discussing which is better and which one to save up for!

      It's only because other manufacturers have left...
    2. 0
      5 March 2025 22: 53
      Quote: Vadim S
      Not long ago, Chinese cars were also laughed at, gloated over, and belittled. And now they are discussing which is better and which one to save up for!

      Where? In China, or the Russian Federation, and that's because of sanctions. Everything Chinese is more or less high-quality on Volkswagen platforms. Mazda, etc. and their engine base. A medium-range passenger aircraft with French engines and other imported components is not capable of being launched into series production. They don't know how to do many competitive things. Where the Chinese have made good progress is in batteries, here they are one of the world leaders. And of course, they are working hard on many things, but either the system is not entirely free, or the peculiarities of their mentality, but they lack creativity. That is why there are so few patents and a complete absence of Nobel laureates from China.
  9. +1
    5 March 2025 08: 18
    Why "White Emperor"? It would be logical for the Chinese to call him "Yellow Emperor".
    1. +3
      5 March 2025 08: 54
      Quote: Aviator_
      It would be logical for the Chinese to call him the "Yellow Emperor"

      Well, they don't consider themselves "yellow". They are actually racists.
      1. +1
        5 March 2025 22: 57
        Quote: Puncher
        They are really racist.

        Absolutely right. The Chinese are blatant racists, and Tibetans, Uyghurs and other minorities, who are treated as second-class citizens by Beijing, know this very well.
        1. 0
          9 March 2025 14: 35
          So Tibetans are supposedly the same Mongoloids as the Han. The Uyghurs are Europeans. Although, frankly speaking, the Han are not typical Mongoloids. There is an Australoid admixture, a lot of people are not at all narrow-eyed.
          1. 0
            9 March 2025 18: 27
            Find out how the process of annexation of Tibet by China took place. The Maoists destroyed most of the ancient architecture, imposed bans on Tibetans on culture and religion, and I won't even mention the governance of Tibet, all the posts are occupied by the Chinese. Then the Chinese built funny parodies of Tibetan buildings for tourists. The Chinese don't care about any Mongoloids except themselves.
    2. +2
      5 March 2025 10: 54
      Quote: Aviator_
      Why "White Emperor"? It would be logical for the Chinese to call him "Yellow Emperor".

      Always strived for white. Even now, skin whitening in China is breaking all records.
    3. +1
      6 March 2025 03: 52
      "Bai Di" (White Emperor) is one of the Five Emperors of ancient Chinese mythology, which also include:

      Huang Di (Yellow Emperor)

      Chi-di (Red Emperor)

      Qingdi (Blue/Green Emperor)

      Hey-di (Black Emperor).
      1. 0
        6 March 2025 07: 46
        The blue (light blue) and black emperors are especially impressive. Right in the spirit of modern tolerance.
        1. +1
          6 March 2025 11: 30
          Quote: Aviator_
          The blue (light blue) and black emperors are especially impressive.

          They had their own color differentiation of pants...
  10. 0
    5 March 2025 08: 28
    Sixth-generation fighters can be equipped with hypersonic weapons or will be able to rise to near-earth altitudes and destroy satellites. The maximum speed can reach 4+ Mach.

    This inevitably leads to an increase in the mass of the glider and, as a result, super-maneuverability can be forgotten.
    It looks like a flying Buran, what kind of fighter is that? It's an orbital shuttle.
    1. 0
      5 March 2025 11: 02
      Quote: dragon772
      You can forget about super-maneuverability.

      Is it necessary?
      The SAM is still more maneuverable than an aircraft and is designed for greater overloads than a person in the cockpit. Awareness - reconnaissance, long-range weapons, electronic warfare systems - everything is developing in this vector.
      1. -2
        5 March 2025 16: 59
        The Su-34 managed to dodge the PAC-3, although it has a limit of up to 7G.
    2. -1
      5 March 2025 12: 09
      Maybe a satellite destroyer?
      1. 0
        5 March 2025 17: 02
        StatLink altitude from 350-500 km, will not reach. And to produce garbage in orbit, will be like in the movie "Gravity", fragments hit all satellites and stations and destroy everything in their path. Other methods of influencing satellites are needed.
        1. 0
          6 March 2025 15: 34
          It will get you. And they did.
  11. +1
    5 March 2025 08: 35
    It must be understood that physically, a rocket that finds itself at such an altitude will practically not have to make any effort to overcome air resistance and the earth's gravity.
    and where does gravity go?, the fact that it falls as objects move away is understandable, but at an altitude of 200 km it is not much less than at sea level, satellites do not fall not because they fly high and experience low gravity, but because they fly fast and actually fall only the angle of their fall is equal to the angle of curvature of the earth, and therefore they seem to fall forever, but for this, I repeat, high speed is needed, and to create it, a lot of energy is needed....
  12. -2
    5 March 2025 08: 58
    Phi.
    A lot of words about nothing.
    We had a mock-up of a "shahimat" at the exhibition, they had a more complex "emperor"

    In reality - a classic scheme, a sleek surface, slightly increased dimensions and an interpretation close to the 1st version of the "6th generation" (flights in near-space, there the speed is higher)

    Everything is real, but what will it turn out to be in the end.... IMHO, like everyone else, it will be very different from the initial appearance.

    This is not the main thing. The main thing is the timing.
    Example: the Americans are already rolling out a prototype of a supersonic airliner.
    And where is our supersonic business jet, promised by VVP himself, it seems, for sheikhs and oligarchs?
  13. +1
    5 March 2025 09: 14
    I have a question, if the Emperor has three engines, then where is the third engine in the photo? Only two nozzles are clearly visible.
  14. +5
    5 March 2025 09: 39
    Are you out of your mind? Are you seriously discussing this topic? It was a mockup based on a manga or a game. It has nothing to do with reality at all!
  15. 0
    5 March 2025 10: 03
    So the maximum that an aircraft with conventional engines has climbed to is almost 26 km in the Lockheed S-71 Blackbird.

    Not really yours.
    Maximum 37200 meters above sea level, I think. what
    And this record belongs to the Soviet MiG-25 fighter.
    1. 0
      5 March 2025 23: 01
      We are talking about cruising level flight, not peak altitude.
  16. 0
    5 March 2025 11: 58
    But can't we do it without aerodynamic braking and bulky insulation? We divide the rocket engine fuel in half, on the first half we go into space, on the second we smoothly return to the atmosphere without scattering sparks. We start the turbines. After all, we don't need to go into orbit and stay there. A jump beyond the Kalman line, shooting at the satellites, returning to the "native collective farm".
    1. -1
      5 March 2025 13: 03
      Do rocket engines have a reverse gear?
      If we make a front nozzle, how do we cover it during takeoff?
      If you want to tumble in space to brake with the rear nozzle, you need to make small maneuvering rocket engines.
      1. +1
        6 March 2025 15: 05
        There is a "back" wink , orientation with the nozzle forward and ignition. In space, this is the only way, it's a common thing. And of course, orientation engines are needed. What's so special about this, both Buran and the Shuttle have already done this. Not to mention Starship, look how its first stage returns. And it manages to do it without maneuvering engines, only with thrust vector control.
  17. -3
    5 March 2025 12: 25
    There is a thought here, and it needs to be thought.

    Well, who said that BI takes off from a regular runway and, flapping its wings, rushes into space?
    I would assume that one, two, or ten aircraft are mounted on/in the head of a launch vehicle, aka Buran and other space shuttles, and are launched into the upper atmosphere and/or near space.
    This saves aircraft fuel for takeoff, acceleration, climb, and time to reach the point of combat use.
    To correct the position in an airless space, it is POSSIBLE to drop compressed gas cylinders after emptying them - equipping them with controlled nozzles is not such a problem.
    The BI carries out a mission in space, after which it either returns to the airfield or enters the atmosphere over enemy territory, freeing itself from all weapons attached to it.
    And only then, taking advantage of the high speed and altitude, does it leave the hostile space and steer where it needs to go.

    Option?
  18. +4
    5 March 2025 17: 23
    God, I still don’t understand who takes this project seriously!
    Yes, it is formally affiliated with AVIC, but the speaker clearly failed to notice that it is a subsidiary company for cultural promotion - the "Nantianmen Plan" (Project "Southern Heaven's Gate") is a purely sci-fi franchise created to promote space-themed films and literature. No military application! The Chinese have no illusions about the "White Emperor" - rather, they are amazed at the absurdity of perceiving this art project as a real military program.
  19. +3
    5 March 2025 18: 25
    So, we take a Chinese plane, about which nothing is known, our Mig-41, about which nothing is known, and the American NGAD, about which, in essence, nothing is known either. We declare that China will certainly put its plane into production within 10 years, and that other planes will fail. request
  20. 0
    5 March 2025 23: 37
    I will probably repeat that the Chinese "White Emperor" is a show bluff and "noodles on the ears" of all kinds of media... The Chinese are great, they "rushed" forward so much on American and European technologies that they did not notice how they fell into the banal technical "fornication" that accompanies any "dizziness" from successes in the economy. And to create an aircraft, from "scratch", with the performance characteristics of the "White Emperor", you need a "school" of design, technology, mechanical engineering, like "Boeing Integrated Defense Systems", "Su", "MiG", "Northrop Grumman Corporation", "Tu", "Pratt & Whitney"... And China started with banal copying of everything and everyone, and continues to make copies... True, we must give credit that these copies are getting better and better... But! In aircraft engine building, they never reached the "heights" that "Baidi" "demands", continuing to fly on Soviet-Russian originals or on their locally produced copies... It's like the Soviet proverb about butter and margarine: it's like butter, smells like butter, is nutritious and cheaper than butter - it's margarine, but margarine is far from butter... So the Chinese fly on "margarine"... That's probably all about "Baidi".....
  21. 0
    12 March 2025 10: 07
    Journalists love to give each other blowjobs: on marketing generations of aviation technology, thermonuclear reactors, flights to Mars and the Moon. There are many platforms. They came up with it themselves, then exposed themselves. An excellent move. The main thing here is to play on emotions. Look, the Chinese - "Igo-go!" Then, as a rule, the "British scientists" come along.)))