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Shadow - car intelligence, surveillance, target designation (RST-V), United States

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Shadow - car intelligence, surveillance, target designation (RST-V), United States



The US Marine Corps and the US Army Special Operations Command are closely following the development program for the new vehicle called the Shadow, intended for deep breakthrough and deep intelligence. Shadow RST-V (Reconnaissance, Surveillance, Targeting Vehicle) was developed by General Dynamics Land Systems. It was developed for the Marine Corps Warfighting Laboratory with funding from the DARPA (Agency for Advanced Defense Research Projects) and the Office of Naval Research (Office of Naval Research, ONR).


The Shadow RST-V is an 4x4 hybrid electric vehicle designed for reconnaissance, surveillance, targeting, and command, control, communications, and intelligence (C3I, command, control, communications, intelligence) combining integrated low-visibility and survivability. The car can be equipped in accordance with the task performed, including: advanced observer, advanced air control, reconnaissance, light weapons carrier, military medical vehicle, air defense, logistics car, personnel carrier, ATGM carrier and mortar carrier. In the version of the team car roof Shadow increases.

The Shadow RST-V has significantly improved fuel economy and survivability and can be transported in the inner compartments of the CH-53 and CH-46 helicopters, the V-22 convertiplane and the C-130 transport aircraft. The C-5 Galaxy transport aircraft is capable of carrying up to 21 Shadow, and the C-17 Globemaster up to 12.



Program development car intelligence, surveillance, targeting Shadow
In 1997, ONR and DARPA signed a contract with General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) and Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control to develop a new intelligence vehicle, which can be performed in a number of ways depending on the task being performed. The vehicle is currently used by the US Marine Corps as a high-speed assault vehicle M151 A2 and the US Army as a general High Mobility Multi-purpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV).

In 1999, GDLS was awarded a contract for the second phase of the Shadow RST-V development program, which involves assembling four cars of demonstrators, as well as the option to build additional 39 cars. The main subcontractors are: Magnet Motors from Germany, responsible for electric drives and controls, General Dynamics from Canada (formerly Computing Devices Canada), responsible for integrating intelligence, surveillance and targeting systems, and Signature Research, which integrates survivability subsystems.



Four RST-V vehicles equipped for a specific mission were delivered in 2002. This was followed by the testing of the Limited User Evaluation Yuma test site in Arizona in 2004.

In May 2005, GDLS was awarded a contract to upgrade RST-V. The upgrade supports the ongoing operational assessment of the vehicle as a universal carrier, main engine and electric generator for the various tasks of the United States Marine Corps. The upgrade included the ability to provide external consumers with 30 kW of power produced by the hybrid electric vehicle. This could feed, for example, the center of the task force and radar.



Shadow RST-V car design
The crew of the Shadow RST-V consists of four people. Crew seats are supplied by Oregon Aero and are located along the center of the car. It is possible to install bulletproof front and side windows. On the sides of the car are two doors, rampa in the aft part provides access to the inner cargo compartment.
The car is made of aluminum housing. Additional armor package provides protection from small arms weapons and min.



Shadow weapon systems
Machine guns of caliber 7.62-mm, 12.7-mm, 40-mm grenade launcher, Objective-Crew Served Weapon, OCSW, Javelin or TOW ATGM can be mounted on the sunroof.
Shadow can be equipped with special protective kits, including a radar, a warning system for laser irradiation and a warning system for a rocket attack.



Surveillance systems
The three-meter retractable mast mounted on the Shadow is equipped with a set of electro-optical sensors. The monitoring kit was developed by General Dynamics - Canada and includes a dual-field day and thermal imaging sensor operating at wavelengths from 3 to 5 μm, as well as a Northrop Grumman (Lightweight Laser Designator and Ranger) laser finder and range finder. The sensor set is coupled with an inertial navigation system, a global positioning system and a compass from Smiths Industries with azimuthal accuracy to 3.6 mil.

Communication systems include the ITT SINCGARS ASIIIP VHF radio station and a satellite communications system.



Power point
The Shadow RST-V is equipped with a hybrid electric drive based on a front-mounted diesel engine with direct injection and turbocharging. The 2.5-liter DI-4B supplied by Detroit Diesel has a capacity of 114 kW. The diesel feeds a permanent magnet generator from Magnet Motors with an 110 kW power that feeds four 50 kilowatt permanent magnet engines from Magnet Motors mounted on each Shadow wheel. The electrical system also includes a dual SAFT Li-Ion battery with a total rated power of 20 kWh and a peak power of 80 kW.

The car is equipped with a pneumatic suspension capable of reducing ground clearance to 10, see. This is enough for transportation on the tiltrotor V-22. The base of the Shadow is made in the form of an arch to allow it to overcome the angle of the ramp of the aircraft, which also contributes to an increase in maneuverability on rough terrain.



Hybrid electric drive
The hybrid electric drive allows the car to operate in a hidden, hybrid and only motor modes. In stealth mode, the Shadow can only be powered by a battery, which provides a significant reduction in acoustic and thermal signatures.

During maneuvers that require sharp acceleration or maximum torque to overcome steep climbs or to recharge the battery, Shadow works in a hybrid mode, using energy from a diesel engine and consumes energy from batteries or recharges them as needed. Shadow only uses the engine if the batteries are completely discharged, or when they are not used at all.



The absence of a conventional mechanical gearbox allowed us to create a car interior with the same internal volume as the HMMWV and still fit into the tiltrotor V-22. Built-in redundancy in the design of the engine gives the commander Shadow the opportunity to continue driving or return to a safe place with just one drive in the wheel.

The car showed the maximum speed on the highway in 112 km per hour. On 95 liters of fuel, Shadow without refueling is able to overcome 758 km at a speed of 50 km per hour. Using only the power of the batteries, the car is able to overcome 32 km.



Key performance characteristics
Crew: up to 6 people
Length: 5.45 m
Width: 2.057 m
Width: reduced air transport 1.674 m
Maximum height: 1.674 m
Min height: 1.397 m
Ground clearance: 0.457 m

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  1. d1m1drol
    d1m1drol 28 March 2013 08: 22
    +2
    so-so basin ... I think ATGM will always find it ... well, or RPG to the edge .. for close contact)
    1. self-propelled
      self-propelled 28 March 2013 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: d1m1drol
      so-so basin.

      REALLY WASHER! complicated construction however (and expensive I think). and also scares the purpose of the car -
      Quote: d1m1drol
      intended for a deep breakthrough

      for what nafik breakthrough (especially the deeper)? neither sensible booking, nor sensible weapons. request for intelligence - that’s it, but not for a breakthrough negative
    2. self-propelled
      self-propelled 28 March 2013 22: 24
      0
      Quote: d1m1drol
      so-so basin.

      REALLY WASHER! complicated construction however (and expensive I think). and also scares the purpose of the car -
      Quote: d1m1drol
      intended for a deep breakthrough

      for what nafik breakthrough (especially the deeper)? neither sensible booking, nor sensible weapons. request for intelligence - that’s it, but not for a breakthrough negative
  2. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 28 March 2013 08: 25
    +4
    Belarusians did better, their Stalker far exceeds this instance in all respects
    1. Professor
      28 March 2013 09: 09
      0
      Belarusians did better, their Stalker far exceeds this instance in all respects

      Could you be more specific? I am especially interested in fuel efficiency.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 March 2013 10: 50
        +4
        "Stalker" has a fuel range of 1000 km. In this case, there is no trailed tank. So it is quite fuel efficient.
        With tactical mobility, it’s a cut above Shadow, which is very important for a reconnaissance vehicle.
        1. Professor
          28 March 2013 11: 04
          -2
          So for fuel it is quite efficient.

          2T STALKER INTELLIGENCE BATTLE MACHINE

          I’ll clarify right away that I do not have General Dynamics stocks. request
          1. 1000 km in how many liters?
          2. How many kilometers will pass with the diesel off for thermal and acoustic stealth?
          2. Will it fit in a helicopter? 27 tons is almost a tank and by the way does not swim either.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 March 2013 11: 26
            +7
            Quote: Professor
            1000 km in how many liters?

            I do not know.

            Quote: Professor
            How many kilometers will it take when the diesel engine is off for thermal and acoustic stealth?

            Do you know why the electric motor needs these "ribs"?

            As for thermal stealth, I would not be so categorical.


            Quote: Professor
            Will it fit in a helicopter? 27 tons is almost a tank and by the way does not swim either.

            He is caterpillar, he does not need a crutch in the form of a helicopter.
            1. ultra
              ultra 28 March 2013 12: 41
              +1
              Quote: Spade
              As for thermal stealth, I would not be so categorical.
              The thermal signature of the electric motor is definitely less than a diesel engine in which one exhaust system adds a lot! hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 28 March 2013 12: 46
                +1
                The thermal signature of four electric motors, right?
            2. Professor
              28 March 2013 15: 52
              +4
              Ribs for beauty laughing
              By the way, judging by the thermal picture you presented in the engine, it’s not the ribs that are heated at all, but the bearing.

              The efficiency of the electric motor is twice as high as the efficiency of the diesel, the energy of which is wasted on heat. Exhausts alone are worth it. And about how the track rollers are warming up I’m generally silent.

              He is caterpillar, he does not need a crutch in the form of a helicopter.

              air transport - a crutch?
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 28 March 2013 19: 12
                +1
                Better to say that the bearing is naturally the hottest. We are not aware of the color distribution of this thermal imager.

                Quote: Professor
                And about how the track rollers are warming up I’m generally silent.

                ??
                Usually hot hubs just indicate the absence of lubrication.


                Quote: Professor
                air transport - a crutch?

                By helicopter? Of course.
            3. Professor
              28 March 2013 15: 52
              0
              Ribs for beauty laughing
              The efficiency of the electric motor is twice as high as the efficiency of the diesel, the energy of which is wasted on heat. Exhausts alone are worth it. And about how the track rollers are warming up I’m generally silent.

              He is caterpillar, he does not need a crutch in the form of a helicopter.

              air transport - a crutch?
          2. JonnyT
            JonnyT 28 March 2013 13: 35
            +2
            It is not correct to compare this two cars - they are too different.

            Here is a link about the stalker http://nnm.ru/blogs/Y2k_live/boevaya-mashina-razvedki-2t-stalker-tank-nividimka-
            belorussiya / # comment_16989325
            1. ultra
              ultra 28 March 2013 14: 14
              +2
              Quote: JonnyT
              It is not correct to compare this two cars - they are too different.
              This is a fact, they have a different purpose! hi
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 28 March 2013 14: 16
                +2
                In fact, exactly the same.
                1. ultra
                  ultra 28 March 2013 15: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Spade
                  In fact, exactly the same.
                  Shadow vehicle for reconnaissance, observation, target designation. 2T "Stalker" - combat reconnaissance and sabotage vehicle! request
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 28 March 2013 15: 13
                    0
                    Quote: ultra
                    2T "Stalker" - combat reconnaissance and sabotage vehicle

                    This is just one of the layout options. With the full installation of all the necessary reconnaissance equipment in the tower, only a rifle machine gun remains from the armament.
            2. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 29 March 2013 07: 50
              +2
              Of course you can not compare because the Stalker: it’s really a reconnaissance machine, it can penetrate the front line and independently conduct reconnaissance and data collection. having in stock even a small margin of safety. The car presented by the Americans is more likely a point of observation and command, but not behind the front line, but rather a couple of kilometers behind their troops. Then intelligence does not smell here and the name needs to be changed
              1. ultra
                ultra 29 March 2013 14: 57
                0
                Quote: vladsolo56
                she can penetrate the front line
                Only the front as such in recent wars was not observed! IMHO mobility is the key to survival in a modern war! hi
            3. vladsolo56
              vladsolo56 29 March 2013 07: 51
              0
              Of course, it’s impossible because Stalker: it’s really a reconnaissance vehicle, it can penetrate the front line and independently conduct reconnaissance and data collection. having in stock even a small margin of safety. The car presented by the Americans is more likely a point of observation and command, but not behind the front line, but rather a couple of kilometers behind their troops. Then intelligence does not smell here and the name needs to be changed
      2. APASUS
        APASUS 28 March 2013 20: 56
        +2
        Quote: Professor
        Could you be more specific? I am especially interested in fuel efficiency.

        Excuse me, professor, but all these newfangled little things like a hybrid engine or alternative fuel cannot be considered seriously for military equipment!
        They have so many design flaws that they are even considered to be expensive and difficult to maintain in civilian life.
        And in military technology - combat effectiveness and reliability is the most important criterion!
        1. Professor
          28 March 2013 21: 58
          0
          And in military technology - combat effectiveness and reliability is the most important criterion!

          Undoubtedly. Nevertheless, IMHO, the potential reliability (as the author put it "survivability") of such a car is quite high. The engine failed - you can drive on batteries, there are no batteries, we move on a diesel engine. there is no gearbox, the electric motor has failed in the wheel, there are three more.
          The reliability of commercial hybrids is beyond doubt. My colleague Toyota Prius has a workhorse.
          1. self-propelled
            self-propelled 28 March 2013 22: 34
            0
            Quote: Professor
            The reliability of commercial hybrids is beyond doubt. My colleague Toyota Prius has a workhorse.

            for the civilian market - perhaps, but not for warfare. I dare to assume that the mass of the diesel generator + batteries + electric motors will be no less than diesel + transmission; the reliability of electrical circuits is still lower than pure mechanics; and do not forget about the cost; so the mass introduction of such hybrids does not threaten the armies, but they undoubtedly have their own niche.
          2. APASUS
            APASUS 29 March 2013 21: 46
            0
            Quote: Professor
            . The engine refused - you can drive on batteries, there are no batteries, we move on a diesel engine. there is no gearbox; the electric motor has failed in the wheel; there are three more.

            The effectiveness of a military car with a diesel engine + battery + electric motor in a wheel is doubtful, even the civilian sector didn’t work such equipment, but call it mass or reliable ............... sorry, one Toyota Prius not an indicator at all - it can be safely called a piece product!
            How much will this car weigh without a combat load? After all, the battery must still carry the load and how many kilometers it will drag, and the weight plays perhaps the last role.
            The use of an electric motor in a wheel is a rather controversial issue - its serviceability in combat is almost zero due to the complexity of such an assembly.
            And the cost of such a tricked-out car in military performance will be space! These cars will most likely be used as a model of the manufacturer’s capabilities, but no more !!!
            But it’s difficult to imagine military logistics with alternative fuel or it’s all about alcohol, or only very rich countries will allow themselves to do this !!
            1. Professor
              29 March 2013 22: 18
              +1
              , but call it mass or reliable ............... well, I'm sorry!

              forgive In total, from 1999 until the end of 2007, 1 hybrid cars were sold in the United States.
              Do you say piece? wink
              Hybrid car

              And the cost of such a tricked-out military vehicle will be space

              Here I have to agree with you.

              But it’s difficult to imagine military logistics with alternative fuel or it’s all about alcohol, or only very rich countries will allow themselves to do this !!

              This is superfluous, solariums are quite enough.

              Here is today's news.
              New "hybrid" Toyota in Israel: up to 25 km run exclusively on electric traction
              According to the manufacturer, the minimum fuel consumption is 2,1 liters per 100 km, in hybrid mode the car consumes up to 3,7 liters per 100 km
              3,7 liters per 100 km is the dream of any car owner good
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 28 March 2013 12: 41
      +2
      In addition, judging by the photo, the machine is designed for a solid surface and preferably not very crossed. for example, in the snow, it will surely get stuck, and if it gets into the mud too.
    3. ultra
      ultra 28 March 2013 13: 38
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      Belarusians did better, their Stalker is much superior
      More specifically, where can I see the performance characteristics? hi
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 March 2013 08: 27
    0
    I didn’t see the masses anywhere. Have you come up with an easy replacement for Hammer?
    1. Professor
      28 March 2013 09: 19
      -1

      In pursuit of the article. When tested, he was driven 7000 miles for fuel efficiency, 1000 miles for cross-country ability. Hamer eats 1,040 pounds per month for reconnaissance missions, and the RST-V only 440.
      1. bask
        bask 28 March 2013 22: 58
        +3
        Russian development in 2012.
        SBRM-service combat reconnaissance vehicle.
        Designed by order of the Ministry of Internal Affairs
        Based on the serial STS ,, Tiger ,,

        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 29 March 2013 00: 25
          +1
          Not enough microwave, bar and a set of inflatable girls.

          The machine is overloaded, the crew will be able to use the capabilities of reconnaissance equipment by no more than ten percent.
  4. avt
    avt 28 March 2013 09: 13
    +5
    Ayayay! But what about the demolition test? laughing Is Serdyukov already in America ?! Although why am I, then it would have been a century ago. It seems that the Germans perform similar functions with the Fenecke’s machine with a flat bottom, such as our Vodnik, which was pushed. In general, all this resembles Discovery broadcasts about garage workshops and bred on the client’s headstock rather than creating combat models.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 March 2013 10: 51
      0
      Fenech has no blast protection.
  5. evgenii67
    evgenii67 28 March 2013 09: 21
    +1
    Hello everyone! Chipped brick with windows - appearance. To introduce a hybrid engine into military equipment, you have to start and try sometime ....
    1. Professor
      28 March 2013 09: 28
      -3
      This is not the first hybrid in the American army. Here is another promising hybrid platform:

      Firepower - AHED and RST-V
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 March 2013 11: 32
        +3
        All these are children's toys.

        The lithium-polymer battery, currently the most efficient, has a specific energy consumption of about 800 kJ / kg, diesel fuel - 44.8 MJ / kg

        The funny thing is that batteries are less efficient than a wood-burning stove, with their dry firewood, an energy consumption of 10,5 MJ / kg
        1. ultra
          ultra 28 March 2013 15: 51
          +1
          Quote: Spade
          The funny thing is that batteries are less efficient than a wood-burning stove,
          Yah! And what can be powered from the wood-burning stove, the comparison is not the topic — the types of energy are different! hi
        2. ultra
          ultra 28 March 2013 15: 51
          0
          Quote: Spade
          The funny thing is that batteries are less efficient than a wood-burning stove,
          Yah! And what can be powered from the wood-burning stove, the comparison is not the topic — the types of energy are different! hi
        3. Professor
          28 March 2013 15: 55
          +2
          The lithium-polymer battery, currently the most efficient, has a specific energy consumption of about 800 kJ / kg, diesel fuel - 44.8 MJ / kg

          And therefore, the hybrid fuel consumption per 100 km is two times lower than diesel. He probably did not hear about firewood. laughing
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 March 2013 19: 16
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            And therefore, the hybrid fuel consumption per 100 km is two times lower than diesel.

            Not a fact.

            Quote: Professor
            He probably did not hear about firewood.

            But the fact that the energy capacity of the battery is extremely small is a fact. True, all sorts of "green" are trying to keep silent about it
            1. Professor
              28 March 2013 20: 15
              0
              Not a fact.

              Toyota Prius 3.9 l / 100 km.
              http://www.toyota-europe.com/cars/new_cars/prius/index.tmex

              Not convinced? wink

              But the fact that the energy consumption of the battery is extremely small is a fact.

              We are not discussing an electric car (although there are already a lot of such ones on the roads), but about hybrid. Moreover, for an SUV like Shadow to go exclusively on batteries 32 km is already impressive. good
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 28 March 2013 21: 24
                +1
                Quote: Professor
                Toyota Prius 3.9 l / 100 km.

                With a fully charged battery?


                Quote: Professor
                We are not discussing about an electric car (although there are already a lot of such ones on the roads), but about a hybrid.

                But what, does a hybrid not carry a battery with itself?
                Take the ordinary BRDM. With two propulsion systems, a hybrid and diesel. They need to go exactly the same route of 500 km.
                Maybe the diesel will gobble up more. BUT the weight of the consumed fuel will be less than the weight of the consumed hybrid plus the weight of its battery.
                So what's the catch? Complicated? In high cost? In near-zero maintainability?
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 28 March 2013 22: 08
                  +1
                  We Autoreview tested hybrids. Conclusion one - all the manufacturer's declared x-ki are performed only under certain conditions, and one of them - the ride should be more than calm. Autoreview - the publication is quite authoritative, and I believe him in this matter.
                2. Professor
                  28 March 2013 22: 12
                  0
                  With a fully charged battery?

                  It makes no difference - a hybrid. request

                  So what's the catch?

                  Reread the article. Less fuel - fewer "fuel trucks", will travel further, thermal and acoustic stealth, 30 kW to external consumers, increased survivability ...

                  In near-zero maintainability?

                  Why do you think so? The electric motor in the wheel was invented by Porsche. Fighters will not be able to transfer wires to the field? What is there to break down, a diesel generator, 4 electric motors and a battery?
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 28 March 2013 22: 44
                    0
                    Quote: Professor
                    It makes no difference - a hybrid

                    Fine. And then you can add another tank to a regular car, and do not take into account the fuel from it at a flow rate?


                    Quote: Professor
                    Reread the article. Less fuel - fewer "fuel trucks", will travel further, thermal and acoustic stealth, 30 kW to external consumers, increased survivability ...


                    Why less fuel? All the same, the battery will have to be charged from a diesel generator, or an internal combustion engine. But at the same time, you have to carry on yourself an ineffective load in the form of a battery weighing a centner.

                    Will it go further? No, because DT is more energy intensive. That is, with the same weight of diesel fuel in one and battery + fuel in the other, the first will go further.

                    Thermal and acoustic stealth? Is not a fact. We already talked about thermal, acoustic - I personally saw how the women talking among themselves did not hear the BRDM-2 approaching from the back. He creaks louder than his engine runs

                    30 kW to external consumers? And how much can a 100 kg diesel generator give?

                    Increased survivability? Such a complex device ???

                    Quote: Professor
                    Fighters will not be able to transfer wires to the field?


                    No. Do you have any idea what motor repair is? One shard, one torn winding wiring, and field repair is not possible. Only in production. Do you propose to carry a couple of motor wheels with a centner battery?
                    1. Professor
                      29 March 2013 10: 08
                      0
                      Fine. And then you can add another tank to a regular car, and do not take into account the fuel from it at a flow rate?

                      Yes, even a tank, the average fuel consumption per 100 km will not change. You generally have a poor idea of ​​how the hybrid works. How is fuel consumption reduced? Here is another hybrid.
                      BMW ›BMW i3 REx Hybrid Formally Confirmed

                      Will it go further? No, because DT is more energy intensive. That is, with the same weight of diesel fuel in one and battery + fuel in the other, the first will go further.

                      Money for fish again? The hybrid will travel about twice as much on the same amount of fuel as the conventional competitor. Do not figure it out for yourself why - I'll tell you.

                      Thermal and acoustic stealth? Is not a fact

                      Fact, dear fact. The diesel efficiency is at least two times lower than the electric motor, and therefore the waste of energy on heat is two times higher. TTX lead?
                      The acoustic signature of the hybrid is also lower, the Toyota Prius electric motor is not audible at all.

                      I personally saw how the women talking among themselves did not hear the BRDM-2 approaching from the back

                      women talking among themselves may not hear a fighter taking off next to them. fellow

                      30 kW to external consumers? And how much can a 100 kg diesel generator give?

                      You first bring it specially, and in this 30kW always with you.

                      No. Do you have any idea what motor repair is? One shard, one torn winding wiring, and field repair is not possible.

                      There are 4 !!! independent electric motors spaced from each other, will leave even on one, and your splinter will destroy the diesel engine with the same success. the radiator has broken, oil has leaked, etc.

                      PS
                      a pair of military hybrids:

                      CERV hybrid car


                      Bravo concept car was introduced in Detroit
                      1. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 March 2013 11: 37
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        You generally have a poor idea of ​​how the hybrid works.

                        It is rather you can not imagine. The same Prius travels on a single charge without turning on the ICE 20 km at a speed of 100 km / h. Here you have an additional tank. And if this electricity would start there from damp ...

                        Quote: Professor
                        Money for fish again? The hybrid will travel about twice as much on the same amount of fuel as the conventional competitor. Do not figure it out for yourself why - I'll tell you.


                        You somehow stubbornly forget that the traction battery also has weight.

                        Let's do this: 500 km. Hybrid: 16 kg of fuel plus 100 kg of battery weight. Total 116 kg. This is a weight of 138 liters dt.
                        Divided by five, we get 28 liters per 100 km. This is an analogue of your hybrid.
                        And modern "classmates" "Prius" eat 5-7 liters per hundred

                        So, with an equal weight of fuel, the diesel will go further. By the way, we have not yet considered the difference in weight between the "ICE-generator-4 motor-wheel" and "ICE-transmission" systems.


                        Quote: Professor
                        Fact, dear fact. The diesel efficiency is at least two times lower than the electric motor,

                        In a spherical vacuum. In reality, you need to compare the system. From ICE, traction battery and four wheel motors and ICE with transmission. The record difference in efficiency will somehow immediately decline to a small one.


                        Quote: Professor
                        You first bring it specially, and in this 30kW always with you.

                        "Holes" are always with you too. Since the gray 60s.


                        Quote: Professor
                        women talking among themselves may not hear a fighter taking off next to them.

                        You just never heard the BRDM-2 riding. Actually, his suspension creaks louder than the engine is running.


                        Quote: Professor
                        There are 4 !!! independent electric motors spaced from each other, will leave even on one, and your splinter will destroy the diesel engine with the same success. the radiator has broken, oil has leaked, etc.


                        "Even on one" will take away only on the asphalt. Diesel, firstly, is better protected, and secondly, for some time it can work both without coolant and without oil. Well, the electric motor, I repeat, will die from a tiny penetration. It is enough to break one winding wiring. And after that, amba, only a replacement.
                      2. Professor
                        29 March 2013 14: 19
                        0
                        Read at least here and then continue.
                        Hybrid car

                        Let's do this: 500 km ...

                        The medical fact is that the hybrid Toyota has an average consumption of 3.9 l / 100 km. Not on the first 100 and not charged battery, but in general AVERAGE consumption. Show me a diesel with such a flow rate and finish here. hi

                        The record difference in efficiency will somehow immediately decline to a small one.

                        Let's get your calculations. wink

                        You just never heard the BRDM-2 riding.

                        The American Highway Loss Data Institute has published a study according to which hybrids are more dangerous for pedestrians than cars with an internal combustion engine. The reason for the increased danger of hybrids for pedestrians is their noiselessness in the mode of operation from an electric motor. According to published accident statistics, hybrid cars are hit by pedestrians 20% more often, and the degree of damage is higher [5]. To solve this problem, it is proposed to equip hybrid cars with an audio signal generator, which at low speeds (up to 30 km / h) will simulate the sound of a working internal combustion engine. A similar generator has been installed since 2010 on the Toyota Prius.

                        Diesel first, better protected

                        Is not a fact. When pierced by a bullet or a fragment, it will become like a dead one.

                        secondly, for some time it can work without coolant, and without oil.

                        Here I agree, 5 minutes is "awhile". The discussed hybrid without a diesel engine drives 32 km, and one wheel gives as much as 50 kW !!!
                      3. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 29 March 2013 14: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Professor
                        The medical fact is that the hybrid Toyota has an average consumption of 3.9 l / 100 km. Not on the first 100 and not charged battery, but in general AVERAGE consumption.

                        If possible, a link. As for the battery discharged to zero
                      4. Professor
                        29 March 2013 15: 08
                        0
                        I already gave you a link with an average consumption calculated over a distance of thousands of kilometers with a mixed type of ride where the battery is discharged and charged periodically. Here is the American link. Please note that the city has less fuel consumption than in the countryside - a hybrid however. wink
                        http://www.toyota-europe.com/cars/new_cars/prius/index.tmex

                        Prius offers an EPA-estimated 51 mpg city / 48 mpg highway / 50 mpg combined.
                        http://www.toyota.com/prius/#!/features

                        From personal experience. The hybrid always starts on the battery, accelerates to about 50 km / h and starts the engine. The moment of starting and transferring thrust to the internal combustion engine is absolutely not noticeable. ICE always works in its optimal mode. When the engine brakes, the batteries are charging, the engine is automatically muffled at the traffic light. If you do not pay attention to the LCD display, then all of these procedures are generally not noticeable. The only thing that bothers me is the presence of batteries in the car in terms of electromagnetic radiation and its effect on health. Everyone writes that there is no danger, but I trust them ... request
                    2. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 29 March 2013 14: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Professor
                      The hybrid in question travels 32 km without a diesel engine,



                      smile smile smile
  • DERWISH
    DERWISH 28 March 2013 09: 21
    +1
    good product! you will not say anything
    1. Tan4ik
      Tan4ik 28 March 2013 09: 34
      +1
      Yes, I liked it too.
  • Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 28 March 2013 10: 10
    +7
    Prokhorov pushed his E-mobile to the states laughing
  • SIT
    SIT 28 March 2013 10: 46
    +1
    A hybrid engine and especially the lack of a mechanical transmission are the right steps. This is the future. In general, the device is pleased that this is clearly not against us. For actions in Russia, this thing is absolutely unsuitable. The wheels are narrow and all this splendor will sit on the belly in the mud when trying to occupy the first collective farm after landing. Do not swim. What intelligence could there be !? Those bridges that we have on carts with hay can withstand even two, and from such crap they will form into the river without any explosives. I'd buy myself such a cayenne and scare Mercedes. I drove up with a clearance of 1cm, turned on the pneumatics, went up by 10cm and so that at the same time, any antennas from all the cracks got out. A thin stream of urine from under the bottom of the cayenne is guaranteed)))) They think the tax has run over)))
    1. ultra
      ultra 28 March 2013 12: 44
      0
      Quote: SIT
      A hybrid engine and especially the lack of a mechanical transmission are the right steps.
      I agree! We also need to develop this area, at least R&D!
  • Martar
    Martar 28 March 2013 10: 53
    +4
    Hamers go out of fashion, they even began to travel a little in Moscow. So the amers came up with a new jeep for the army, so that later it would be sold in civilian form all over the world. It can be seen from the video that you can even start on it with a traffic light, it won’t hurt you to be at the AMERICAN BATTLE MONSTER, and you’re doing nine at the start)))
  • Mr. Truth
    Mr. Truth 28 March 2013 11: 03
    0
    All the same, except the JLTV and GCV, the U.S. Army will receive nothing.
  • ultra
    ultra 28 March 2013 11: 14
    +2
    It is unclear only the generator power is 110 kW, and the total load power of 4 by 50 = 200 kW, hi
    1. Professor
      28 March 2013 11: 22
      -1
      total load power 4 by 50 = 200 kW

      This is the maximum load with all four wheel motors. Maybe he can ride on three, two or even one engine. And then 50 kW comes in handy.
      By the way, the Porsche invented this wheel motor.
      1. ultra
        ultra 28 March 2013 12: 33
        +1
        Quote: Professor
        Maybe he can ride on three, two or even one engine.
        This is understandable, but if we take into account that the load is "reactive" then the generator's power reserve should be threefold! hiNot all the time to ride on one wheel!
        1. Professor
          28 March 2013 15: 57
          0
          This is if you are going to use all 4 wheels at full load. In practice, this is not necessary. hi
  • USNik
    USNik 28 March 2013 12: 41
    +3
    Electric motors in wheels are wonderful and newfangled. But here you need to ask a few questions to the developers. How do the performance of a car in cold weather (degrees so 15-C)? How much does one motor wheel cost and how often does it require maintenance (and how much does it weigh repeat )? And of course the most important question: how much does IT cost? Could it be that much more secure versions of the hammer will be 3-4 times cheaper?
  • kaprall
    kaprall 28 March 2013 12: 43
    +1
    Well, hybrid technologies are developing all over the world, a tribute to fashion, so to speak, and, of course, new technologies and savings .. It wouldn’t hurt us either ..
    By the way, a very interesting instance for artillery reconnaissance. Do we have anything similar?
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 March 2013 12: 50
      +4
      Quote: kaprall
      By the way, a very interesting instance for artillery reconnaissance.

      For artillery reconnaissance option prepoganenky. First of all, due to slurred passability.
      And you can put a mast on anything





  • xmel2003
    xmel2003 28 March 2013 12: 45
    +3
    A very interesting idea, albeit an expensive one. Probably 1-2 such cars on the battalion would be useful .... I just think that many of the problems of this concept are silent. So, I’m sure that the power reserve on the battery is very dependent on the quality of the road surface and the terrain - in order to calculate, you need a computer and data. Certainly not friends with water and low temperatures. Most likely it still has a small resource, low maintainability and needs good service. In short, while the price, the price of exploitation, the quality is poor. It is suitable only for special operations in conditions of good supply and the possibility of timely scheduled and maintenance work. Although it is necessary to work in this direction.
    Today, Israel is the very thing for these cars.
    1. Professor
      28 March 2013 16: 00
      +1
      Certainly not friends with water and low temperatures.

      Toyota Prius crosses the tropics of Canada without any problems even in winter.
    2. Professor
      28 March 2013 16: 00
      0
      Certainly not friends with water and low temperatures.

      Toyota Prius crosses the tropics of Canada without any problems even in winter.
  • ultra
    ultra 28 March 2013 15: 54
    0
    A new misfortune! Flags appeared, avatars disappeared! crying
  • Gladius
    Gladius 28 March 2013 16: 49
    +1
    An interesting copywriter. But this is how much this product costs. Perhaps a sheepskin is not worth a miscarriage. And how are things in servicing this machine in the field, the ability to quickly eliminate the technical problems that have arisen ... But in general, the car deserves attention.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 28 March 2013 19: 19
      +1
      Quote: Gladius
      And what about the maintenance of this machine in the field, the ability to quickly eliminate the technical problems that arose ...

      No way. The car broke down, change to a new one.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 07
    -1
    Somewhere I already saw all this. 1945, Germany, Wunderwaffe ...

    Deja vu?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 29 March 2013 07: 30
      +2
      The "smart guy" who put a minus - I meant that the German giant tanks, in principle, were also made with a combined power plant. True, not hybrid, but complex. That inspired .... And the complication of the design, the increase in the likelihood of breakdown.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 07
    0
    Somewhere I already saw all this. 1945, Germany, Wunderwaffe ...

    Deja vu?
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 28 March 2013 18: 14
    0
    If everything is as it is written, then a good car. Well done, what smile
  • Sharingan
    Sharingan 28 March 2013 18: 14
    0
    If everything is as it is written, then a good car.
    Chinook can be abandoned, and then pick up.
    Well done, what smile
    1. bask
      bask 28 March 2013 21: 59
      +1
      Shadow - Vehicle Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Designation (RST-V), United

      What year is this article? Further than the prototype, this car did not come out.
      . Since 2009, a program of light tactical multi-purpose vehicle (JL: TV) / has been in operation. Including for deep reconnaissance.
      JLTVs differ in carrying capacity in 3 classes. And most importantly, the cost should not exceed 250.000 $$$ .Up to 400.000 $
      Category A (JLTV-A-GP) - General purpose vehicles with a payload capacity of 3500 lbs (1600 kg) and a capacity of 4 people. Category B - designed for use as armored personnel carriers, command and staff vehicle, reconnaissance vehicle, "weapon carrier", carrying capacity from 4000 to 4500 pounds (1800-2000 kg). Armored personnel carrier (JLTV-B-IC). It has a capacity of 6 people and is designed to transport a firing unit of soldiers or marines. Each service can have a separate vehicle or use the same. Command vehicle (JLTV-B-C2OTM). Designed for 4 people, intended for the US Army. Category C machines are designed for use as covered trucks, tractors and medical vehicles. Have a lifting capacity of 5100 lbs (2300 kg).
      1. bask
        bask 28 March 2013 22: 26
        +1
        Dassault Systemes. In conjunction with Local Motorts
        Created armored car JLTV, for reconnaissance and delivery of evacuation.
        FLYPMode

    2. bask
      bask 28 March 2013 22: 00
      0
      Shadow - Vehicle Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Designation (RST-V), United

      What year is this article? Next to the prototype, this car did not come out.
      . Since 2009, a program of light tactical multi-purpose vehicle (JL: TV) / has been in operation. Including for deep reconnaissance.
      JLTVs differ in carrying capacity in 3 classes. And most importantly, the cost should not exceed 250.000 $$$ .Up to 400.000 $
      [img] Category A (JLTV-A-GP) - General purpose vehicles with a payload capacity of 3500 lbs (1600 kg) and a capacity of 4 people. Category B - designed for use as armored personnel carriers, command and staff vehicle, reconnaissance vehicle, "weapon carrier", carrying capacity from 4000 to 4500 pounds (1800-2000 kg). Armored personnel carrier (JLTV-B-IC). It has a capacity of 6 people and is designed to transport a firing unit of soldiers or marines. Each service can have a separate vehicle or use the same. Command vehicle (JLTV-B-C2OTM). Designed for 4 people, intended for the US Army. Category C machines are designed for use as covered trucks, tractors and medical vehicles. They have a lifting capacity of 5100 lbs (2300 kg). [/ Img]

      Lockhet martin

      AM General

      Oshkosh
    3. bask
      bask 28 March 2013 22: 00
      0
      Shadow - Vehicle Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Designation (RST-V), United

      What year is this article? Next to the prototype, this car did not come out.
      . Since 2009, a program of light tactical multi-purpose vehicle (JL: TV) / has been in operation. Including for deep reconnaissance.
      JLTVs differ in carrying capacity in 3 classes. And most importantly, the cost should not exceed 250.000 $$$ .Up to 400.000 $
      Category A (JLTV-A-GP) - General purpose vehicles with a payload capacity of 3500 lbs (1600 kg) and a capacity of 4 people. Category B - designed for use as armored personnel carriers, command and staff vehicle, reconnaissance vehicle, "weapon carrier", carrying capacity from 4000 to 4500 pounds (1800-2000 kg). Armored personnel carrier (JLTV-B-IC). It has a capacity of 6 people and is designed to transport a firing unit of soldiers or marines. Each service can have a separate vehicle or use the same. Command vehicle (JLTV-B-C2OTM). Designed for 4 people, intended for the US Army. Category C machines are designed for use as covered trucks, tractors and medical vehicles. Have a lifting capacity of 5100 lbs (2300 kg).
    4. bask
      bask 28 March 2013 22: 00
      0
      Shadow - Vehicle Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Designation (RST-V), United

      What year is this article? Next to the prototype, this car did not come out.
      . Since 2009, a program of light tactical multi-purpose vehicle (JL: TV) / has been in operation. Including for deep reconnaissance.
      JLTVs differ in carrying capacity in 3 classes. And most importantly, the cost should not exceed 250.000 $$$ .Up to 400.000 $
      [img] Category A (JLTV-A-GP) - General purpose vehicles with a payload capacity of 3500 lbs (1600 kg) and a capacity of 4 people. Category B - designed for use as armored personnel carriers, command and staff vehicle, reconnaissance vehicle, "weapon carrier", carrying capacity from 4000 to 4500 pounds (1800-2000 kg). Armored personnel carrier (JLTV-B-IC). It has a capacity of 6 people and is designed to transport a firing unit of soldiers or marines. Each service can have a separate vehicle or use the same. Command vehicle (JLTV-B-C2OTM). Designed for 4 people, intended for the US Army. Category C machines are designed for use as covered trucks, tractors and medical vehicles. They have a lifting capacity of 5100 lbs (2300 kg). [/ Img]

      Lockhet martin

      AM General

      Oshkosh
    5. bask
      bask 28 March 2013 22: 00
      0
      Shadow - Vehicle Intelligence, Surveillance, Target Designation (RST-V), United

      What year is this article? Next to the prototype, this car did not come out.
      . Since 2009, a program of light tactical multi-purpose vehicle (JL: TV) / has been in operation. Including for deep reconnaissance.
      JLTVs differ in carrying capacity in 3 classes. And most importantly, the cost should not exceed 250.000 $$$ .Up to 400.000 $
      [img] Category A (JLTV-A-GP) - General purpose vehicles with a payload capacity of 3500 lbs (1600 kg) and a capacity of 4 people. Category B - designed for use as armored personnel carriers, command and staff vehicle, reconnaissance vehicle, "weapon carrier", carrying capacity from 4000 to 4500 pounds (1800-2000 kg). Armored personnel carrier (JLTV-B-IC). It has a capacity of 6 people and is designed to transport a firing unit of soldiers or marines. Each service can have a separate vehicle or use the same. Command vehicle (JLTV-B-C2OTM). Designed for 4 people, intended for the US Army. Category C machines are designed for use as covered trucks, tractors and medical vehicles. They have a lifting capacity of 5100 lbs (2300 kg). [/ Img]

      Lockhet martin

      AM General

      Oshkosh
  • cosmos111
    cosmos111 29 March 2013 09: 45
    0
    Quote: Spade
    Fenech has no blast protection.

    Fenech -2 has protection for undermining.

    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2013 11: 39
      0
      But somehow they do not want to let him into the series.
  • svp67
    svp67 30 March 2013 09: 33
    0
    I think they don’t have enough money for this "hybrid miracle" either ...
  • Bars90
    Bars90 April 2 2013 22: 57
    0
    From SVN-98 special flaps. cartridge, flash nafig .... Or from KPV-14.5, smash .... Yes, and the IOS was created as a weapon to counter intelligence. groups and intelligence. technique.
  • max702
    max702 April 10 2013 00: 14
    +1
    In my opinion, the idea is very good and progressive, but during the Second World War the Germans set up with an electromechanical transmission very much BUT! it was almost 70 years ago and electrical engineering, and electronics has stepped far forward, and now (if you do not set prohibitive requirements and do not save money on materials), the electrical part is very reliable (see how electric forklifts are operated in warehouses and how often they break during normal maintenance) about diesel generators generally keep quiet they have a huge resource and almost zero failures (again, talking about the company and quality service), then about the reliability of the design itself, the traditional has a lot of thin places (cardans, w we will not examine the engine’s sideways, clutch, etc.), and here and there the diesel engine (though the generator does not stall from a sudden load and maybe this will save someone’s life), there is no gearbox on the hybrid and there is no clutch further, there are no CV joints, universal joints (namely, this everything clings and breaks under loads, I don’t say adjusting the broach for lubrication) and forcing the wheels off-road thing is necessary but very difficult and not very repairable, plus it all takes up space under the bottom, the hybrid only has wires going to the motor wheels, them can to duplicate twice or even three times from different directions (they broke the punched one, switched to the other, and indeed it is easier to drop the wire than to fix the CV joint or the gearbox to sort out), through patency the electric motor immediately realizes all the torque, which positively affects the movement on weak bearing soils (no slippage and the traction control system can be configured very accurately today it is not a prohibitive hi-tech at all) but how much easier it is to control two pedals the steering wheel and everything (the easier it is to control the equipment m the driver gets tired less) the only problem now is the small capacity of the akk and their weight, but this is a problem at least in parity with a fur transmission, and the bonuses in the form of noiselessness and low thermal signature are a huge plus hybrid. even if the described sample can travel not 32 and 5 km on the roads, it’s just a fairy tale (a huge tactful advantage that no one would refuse) and something tells me that the soldiers at the checkpoints and somewhere in the raid for 30 kW of autonomous electric energy a lot forgive the hybrid, we say the price of the device is not small well .. when an aluminum spoon was more expensive than gold, but now?