Comparison of the armed forces of Russia and the United States

For many years, the inflamed minds of the layman are worried about a hypothetical military conflict between the two powers of Russia and the United States. To present the military conflict of these two states in a pure form is almost impossible. It is hardly possible to assume that neighboring states would not be drawn into a military clash between these two countries. In addition, the United States, as a member of NATO, can count, if not on the full support of the alliance, then at least on the support of its main European ally, Britain. However, we will try, nevertheless, to simply analyze what the armies of the two countries can oppose to each other.

The meaning of this confrontation, its reality, as well as the possibility of full-fledged military aggression against Russia with the introduction of US ground forces on its territory, will be left behind the brackets. Information for comparison is taken from open sources, which everyone has access to. Most of the information about the exact number of weapons and troops is secret information, which, if published, is often with delays, which means that the given values ​​may change in a smaller or a larger direction.

The number of armies

A comparison of the military potential of the two powers can be started with the population of the two countries. The population of Russia on 1 January 2013 of the year was 143 347 059 people, the population of the USA for December 2012 of the year - 314 895 000 people. Actually, it is already clear from these figures that in the event of a global war, the United States will be ready to put under the gun much more physically healthy and strong male citizens. The potential mobilization reserve of Russia is estimated at 31 million people, the United States - at 56 million people (if we take into account all males from 17 to 49 years - at least 109 million). At the same time, we must understand that even the United States will not be able to deliver under the gun so many people. For the maintenance of such an army is not enough weapons, ammunition, food, clothing, and transport logistics will turn into a real hell.

MBT T-90

At the same time, in a war of attrition, it will be much more effective for the United States to make up for its own losses and much longer. At the same time, a professional mobilization reserve simply does not exist in Russia. Currently, work on its creation is only at the beginning of the path. The number of Russian armed forces was brought to 1 million, of whom about 70 are 000 people, and about 300 thousand more are soldiers-conscripts. The US Army is fully professional, its strength is about 1,4 million, and another approximately 1,1-1,3 million people make up the nearest mobilization reserve or reserve. All of them have a valid contract with the Ministry of Defense, are regularly involved in training and combat training and, if necessary, can be called up for active duty.

According to the military doctrine published in 2012, “Supporting US global leadership. 21 Century Defense Priorities The US Army is ready to wage at the same time only 1 a full-scale war, deterring the enemy’s aggressive actions in other regions of the Earth. Previously it was supposed to conduct simultaneously 2-x full-scale wars. Proceeding from this, in the event of military aggression against Russia, the US Army will be able to allocate a large part of its armed forces for these purposes.

Technical equipment of ground forces

The main striking force of the ground forces are Tanks. In service with the US Army as of 2012 there were 1963 Abrams tanks in the M1A2 version, of which 588 were upgraded to the M1A2SEP version. In addition, the US military has about 2400 M1A1 tanks and about 2385 M1 tanks in storage.

MBT "Abrams" М1А2

In the Russian army, the most modern tank is the T-90. In total, in the armed forces there are about 500 such MBT in versions T-90А and T-90АК. That is, a certain parity is observed in the most advanced tanks in the armies of the two countries. At the same time, the Russian army has about 4500 T-80 tanks of various modifications, which are undergoing major repairs (2010 year). Also in the troops and on the bases of storage there is an order of 12 500 T-72 tanks of various modifications. Thus, even if at least a third of these vehicles are on the move, filled up, crews will be planted and ammunition loaded into tanks, their number will surpass the number of American tank fleets. Given that the United States will not be able to deploy all its tanks against Russia, quantitative superiority will be absolute. In terms of the total number of tanks, Russia surpasses the USA by no less than 2,5 times.

Also in service with the US Army is about 6500 BMP "Bradley", in turn, Russia has about 700 BMP-3, 4500 BMP-2 and almost 8000 BMP-1. The fleet of armored personnel carriers in the Russian army is about 4900 units from BTR-70 to BTR-82. It is assumed that before the 2020, all the BTR-80 of the Russian army will be upgraded to the level of the BTR-82A (AM). Also, the Russian Airborne Forces have about 1500 BMD units of all modifications and about 700 BTR-D. There are significantly more armored personnel carriers in the US Army - around 16 000.

SAU MSTA-S

One of the main components of the success of ground operations is still good artillery preparation. Currently, the US Army has an order 2000 SAU and 1500 towed guns. In the Russian army, according to data on 2010, there were more than 6800 ACS and more than 7500 towed guns. Of these, 4600 falls to the X-NUMX-mm howitzer D-122, which will be written off before the end of the 30 year. In addition, Russia has about 2013 MLRS, while in service with the American army of such systems, all 3500. Thus, on paper, the Russian army has superiority over American in self-propelled artillery 830 times, towed in 3,4 (in 5 after decommissioning D-1,9), in the MLRS in 30 times.

At the same time, directly in the states of brigades and military bases in the Russian army there are only about 2500 tanks. Make sure it is not difficult. In the Russian army, the entire 4 individual tank brigades, each of them is armed with the states 91-94 MBT. There are also about 30 individual motorized rifle brigades (I counted only 27, but I could be wrong), each of which has a tank battalion - 41 tank. The remaining tanks are on the bases of storage and repair of military equipment (BHiRVT). The same situation can be projected on the artillery.

SAU M-109

In addition, the army of the two countries have a large number of helicopters. The US Army has combat helicopters around 2700. The Russian army has fewer rotary-wing machines - 1368 units (approximately 2 times less).

Air Force equipment

The US Air Force is a formidable force, in the number of military aircraft they occupy first place in the world. The regular parts of the US Air Force (for 2011) include 144 strategic bombers (66 B-1, 20 B-2 and 58 B-52), 297 A-10 attack aircraft, 1629 fighters (471 - F-15, 968 - F -16, 179 - F-22, 11 F-35). It is worth noting that the United States is the only country in the world that is armed with a 5th generation fighter, we are talking about the F-22 Raptor. In addition, as part of the naval fleet (as of 2008) there were 867 F / A-18 fighter attack aircraft. Total military aircraft excluding those available in reserve - 2937 units.

It is worth noting that the composition of the Russian Air Force is of a secret nature, which means that the information given may contain inaccuracies. The Russian Air Force has 80 strategic bombers (16 - Tu-160, 64 - Tu-95MS), 150 long-range Tu-22M3 bombers, 241 Su-25 attack aircraft, 164 Su-24M and M2 front-line bombers, 26 Su-34 front-line bombers XNUMX. As part of the fighter aviation there are 953 cars (282 - MiG-29, 252 - MiG-31, 400 - Su-27, 9 - Su-30 and 10 - Su-35S). The total composition of combat aircraft is 1614 aircraft (approximately). Thus, in combat aircraft the enemy has about 2-fold superiority.

F-22 Raptor

It is worth noting that at present the Russian Air Force is actively modernizing and rearming. The number of modern aircraft in them will grow, and their own 5 generation aircraft, the PAK FA, will appear. At the same time, in terms of its capabilities, the Su-35C is almost as good as the 5 generation aircraft; the Russian Air Force plans to acquire at least 48 of these machines. Also on the 2012 year, half of the Su-27 was upgraded to the version of the Su-27CM3, and this is, in fact, another machine that is able to deal with all 4 aircraft of the same generation. The MiG-31 interceptors are also being actively upgraded.

In addition, Russian aviation has a trump card up its sleeve. The air-to-air guided missiles of the Russian Air Force have the longest flying range among these types of weapons. The P-73 rocket, which can be used by MiG-31BM fighter-interceptors and Su-27 fighters, Su-35 is capable of hitting targets at a distance of 300 km! In addition, work is underway in Russia on the KS-172 rocket, which has an even greater range of destruction - up to 400 km. And the new missile RVV-BD, at the same time, the medium-range missile RVV-SD has a range of approximately 110 km. The most advanced American all-weather guided missiles AIM-120C7 and AIM-120D are able to hit targets at a distance of 120 and 180 km. respectively.

Su-35С

Su-35, Su-27 and MiG-31BM, equipped with modern radar and missiles R-37 with a greater launch range than any American rocket, allow these machines to significantly reduce their lag even before the most modern American fighter 5-th generation F-22 Raptor, with low visibility. With the F-15, F-16 and F / A-18 fighters they can deal without any problems.

The main trump card of Russia in a possible military conflict, in addition to not the weakest air force, is the country's air defense system, which is able to make the Russian sky inaccessible to the actions of aviation of any potential enemy. And without the support of aviation today it is impossible to conduct any kind of successful combat operations against sufficiently strong ground enemy groupings. Given that the US Army will be forced to fight for bridgeheads and their further expansion at the initial stage of the campaign, such operations without air supremacy will be doomed to failure.

According to the report of the Australian analytical center Air Power Australia, which was a comparison of American military aircraft and Russian air defense systems. In the case of a full-scale military conflict, the possibility of the survival of US air force aviation is almost completely excluded due to the fact that Russian air defense systems: radar systems and anti-aircraft missile systems have reached the highest level of development. Modern Russian air defense systems C-400 have no analogues in the world at all and are far superior to the American Patriot.

C-400

At the same time, the components of the backbone of the Russian air defense systems C-300 are still able to deal with any potential adversary. According to a number of European experts, the Russian air defense system is able to destroy up to 80% of all types of aircraft that have intruded into its airspace. Russian specialists are more modest and estimate this number at 60-65%, but in any case, the enemy aviation will be simply irreplaceable damage, from which it can no longer recover. At 2010, the Russian air defense had about 2100 PU of various types of C-300, C-400 deployed 9 of divisions - 72 of PU, all up to 2020 of the year, it is planned to deploy 56 divisions armed with this complex. In addition, the troops have at least 22 short-range air defense complex - Pantsir-С1.

It is air defense that is the main trump card of Russia and its “umbrella” that will protect the country from possible aggression. Under the defense of air defense before 2020, Russia will be able to significantly upgrade both its ground forces and the air force, which will be replenished with new combat equipment. After 2020, the likelihood of a direct armed conflict between the United States and Russia, which even now seems very unlikely, will drop to almost zero.

Comments

[Genady1976]

Hitler also did not have an army from kindergarten.

[Stiletto]

Quote: Genady1976

Hitler also did not have an army from kindergarten.

... And also the ridge is not weak.

[Gimaev Bulat]

but at what cost ...

[Stiletto]

Quote: Gimaev Bulat

but at what cost ...

We all know which one. But did we have a choice?

[sscha]

And then we fought with the most advanced state in the world (in terms of the military-industrial complex),
which crushed the entire military-industrial complex of Europe, including raw material bases, and labor resources, etc. ....So what? Arithmetic was on the side of the Nazis, but ...
There is one BUT - this is a simple soldier ...
I see sticks flying at me ...
Guys! It is necessary to feel it! Feel that no one will ever bring Russia to its knees ...
But at what cost - my mother at the front didn’t ask herself such a question ...

[Gari]

We will omit the potentials of the Army of the two countries, although here I do not think that everything is so ambiguous despite what happened over the past 22 years with the country, with the Army, with the military-industrial complex - when being a bandit or a businessman was more prestigious than an Officer (shame), and America on the contrary constantly building up its potential, writing off old equipment, replacing it with a new one, and as you can see, they saved something and even created a new one
I wonder this
A comparison of the military potential of the two powers can begin with the population of the two countries. The population of Russia as of January 1, 2013 was 143 people, the population of the United States as of December 347 was 059. Actually, it can already be seen from these figures that in the event of a global war, the United States will be ready to put under arms much more physically healthy and strong male citizens.
From Radzikhovsky's article "Title Nation":

What nationalities form the “American people”?

Nationality in general (and in the USA it is just especially obvious) is a very relative concept, but at the same time significant. Only SS officers could boast of perfect purity of blood, while in the USA almost all citizens were “mixed.” Nevertheless, the “main nationality” is quite clearly distinguished (sometimes preference is given to a smaller ethnic group, for example, a person with one Dutch grandfather is included in the same Wikipedia list of Dutch-born Americans). If the “main nation” cannot be distinguished, then the citizens are “counted twice” - for example, as an American of Italian and Irish descent — or indicated “has German, Irish and French roots,” etc.

Based on the above, of the 305 million US residents, according to censuses and authoritative expert estimates:
+ 40 million - blacks,
+ 45 million Hispanic (mainly Mexicans, Cubans, Puerto Ricans),
+ 2 million - Indians,
+ 2,7 million - Indians,
+ 3,5 million - Chinese,
+ 1,4 million - Arabs,
+ 1,2 million - the Japanese,
+ 1,5 million - Koreans,
+ about 200 million are descendants of Europeans.
Of them:
+ the largest group is the Germans, 60 million,
+ 18 million - Italians,
+ 11,8 million - the French,
+ 10 million - Poles,
+ 7 million - Jews,
+ 4 million - Swedes,
+ 4,5 million - the Dutch,
+ 3 million - Russians,
+ 1,4 million - Greeks,
+ 900 thousand - Ukrainians, etc. - all the nations of Europe are represented.

And finally, the core of the nation:

+ 28 million - Anglo-Americans
+ 36 million - Irish,
+ 25 million - Scots
+ 30 million - mixed Irish-Scottish.
(The total amount exceeds 305 million, however insignificantly - this is precisely because of those who are "counted twice.")
So, the USA is almost the only cosmopolitan country in today's world where there is not a single nation whose share in the total population exceeds 50%. There is no “titular nation”, and the Anglo-Americans, who gave the country a language and constitution, who founded the USA, make up about 10% of the population! And even if you combine them with the Scots and the Scots-Irish (and will the Scots themselves agree to such a union?), Less than a third of the population turns out to be.
I’m interested in all this vinaigrette from the peoples with joy will run to defend the ideals of democracy, and even somewhere far away from their only home?

[Gari]

Sorry, I forgot about the blue division, although there’s no longer a division

646 same-sex couples live in the United States, 464 of whom are married. These are the data published by the US Bureau of Statistics.
According to the Associated Press, on the basis of five surveys, Gary Gates concludes that about 4 million supporters of same-sex love live in the States. That is, about 1,7% of Americans 18 years and older.
Mr. Gates considers another 4 million Americans to be bisexual. 19 million (8,2%), according to his estimates, at least once made love with a partner of their gender.

Transgender people in the United States turned out to be 700 thousand (0,3%).

[antidialer]

Yes, but even in the army they are allowed to officially serve. And in the army it’s not glamorous gays anymore , and fighting buggers.

[Liasenski]

Huge + for fighting buggers, I must remember, it made fun of me!

[pseudodog]

I also liked it, take note

[Mohomax]

They will attack from the rear))))

[cruising tour]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

[Dmitry Toderes]

We need to make a bulletproof vest, which our soldiers will cover the ass from behind.

[Su24]

"Nation" is the Americans, just as in political science, nation = state. Barack Obama is not a Negro, but an American. Colin Paeul is American, as are Condoleezza Rice, Mike Tyson or Will Smith. There is no "Anglo-American" or "Italian" nation within the United States, as well as a "Chinese" and a nation of Hindus or Muslims.

[RUS-36]

Are Americans a Nation? - SBRAD. Who are the indigenous people of America? The indigenous population of America lives in reservations on their own MOTHERLAND. Or everyone has already forgotten that.

[wolk71]

And we will be on Native land , and on their land no one else could defeat us. And there were many who wanted to, that's just where they are ...

[Cat]

How is it where? And here they are:
- Mongolia is true, since the days of the USSR our ally
- Poland - no comment
- Germany - on the spot and even united
- France - also not gone anywhere
- England - not drowned
- Turkey - we rest there
- Japan is not the most backward country
- China (either an ally or an opponent - HZ, but also does not fade)
- USA - we lost the cold war
Didn’t forget anyone?
This is to ensure that those who wish have remained and there are many of them.

[Dmitry Toderes]

But Tatarstan is now ours - as part of the Russian Federation.

[Cat]

"I am interested in all this vinaigrette of peoples who will gladly run to defend the ideals of democracy, and even somewhere far from their newly built home?"

Unfortunately, it will run. And more than once already ran:
First World War
World War II
Korea
Vietnam
Iraq
and much more on the little things.

Just do not protect and not ideals.

[Deniska]

Yes, they will run for money)))

[cruising tour]

And from genetic hatred for us too !!!

[mvkot120669]

It's funny ... Do you know what the concept of "American" is? And that the USA NEVER DROPPED its soldiers?
And about us - who will protect now and what will do? Houses on Rublevka? The fortune of 200 dollar billionaires registered in Moscow? The plant, which for the open and at which the workers are paid 10t.r.?

[designer79]

What is the meaning of counting the strength of the armed forces? We do not live in the time of the knights, where we fought head-on. Another question is how many competent specialists in their places will be at the time of armed conflict. And the number of opponents can easily be reduced by a successfully launched missile or competent artillery work. The benefit of this is enough for us.

[skymen]

The Americans themselves are not bad people of course, but! such a country is led by a bunch of greedy Chumardos who do not care about everything! if only the money were printed in the Fed and wars waged around the globe! Something about 170 local military conflicts, the United States is participating at the moment!

[bask]

Highly mobile marine corps syS .. In Afghanistan.

[Kaa]

Quote: bask

Highly mobile marines

Rather, high ... ballroom, E-mobile, in a word, a true friend ...

[Gari]

It's about same-sex

[imperiologist]

this is Obama's cavalry company in the background his Kenyan-style cottage

[vikvik310]

yes uzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzhzh

[imperiologist]

in fact, Hitler was repeatedly informed about the impossibility of waging a long war with the USSR, the fascist troops were accustomed to a quick victory in Europe, although of course they should not be underestimated, but still they were unprepared for a large-scale long-standing confrontation with a strong unbending enemy on its territory. The Blitzkrieg among the Nazis was the only hope of victory, since it was clear to the fool then that the German economy could not bear prolonging the war for more than a year. Apparently, Hitler foolishly and arrogantly raised above his mind.

[imperiologist]

and the pi Ndos apparently learned the mistakes of Russia's enemies and are not going to fight it head to head. To begin with, they will make a monster out of Russia that offends unfortunate neighbors, then they will incite the European Union on us (there will be an excuse), it will be very important to embroil China with us, it’s difficult will do, but China loves gold .... pseudo-Islamists have already dispersed in our country, the faucet of American currency aid will open to them and they will again sing a song about the caliphate. And then in the Arctic there are problems with Canada and other frostbitten powers. some kind of mini conflict in which Russia will appear as a beast for the entire "free" world, and all and sundry will pounce on it like dogs, and at the end will fly in to calm and reconcile the "freest" nation in the world, but at this moment in the Russian General Staff all the same, they will find a spare key from the presidential suitcase with the cherished red button and Russia will show everyone the mysterious "Kuz'kina's mother"

[Old skeptic]

And how was the third Reich different from the European Union? Take the list of countries that worked for Hitler and put it on the map of the European Union, you will be very surprised.
But it didn’t help him much.

[Solmir]

And what are you unable to notice the difference between the honey of the Stalinist USSR and Putin's erysia?

[Merchant]

Shut up fifth column! Guboshlёp !!!

[Gecko]

Hit yourself at the wall untill you die.

[Shikari91]

there, it’s rather not nonsense, but the British were troubled. One version says that they set the Germans against us, otherwise the German war machine would crush them.

[not good]

Not so much poisoned as paid off.

[cruising tour]

But agree; WE HAD A HAIR FROM DEATH (I had heard enough of the stories of PARTICIPANTS of that war)

[APASUS]

[quote = sscha] There is one BUT - this is a simple soldier ... [quote = sscha]
That's for sure. There is a military union in the US Army and it sided with the soldiers when they went on strike in Afghanistan!
And the reason was simple
Do not bring disposable underpants.

[cruising tour]

It's not about cowards, they are just used to defending their positions. This is both good and bad.

[RUS-36]

We fought not only with Germany, but also at the same time the troops opposed us - Romania, Hungary, Italy, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia. In addition, on the side of Germany, volunteer units of the Spaniards, Belgians, Dutch, French, Danes, and Norwegians fought against the USSR.,

In addition, the United States added fuel to the fire, which in one way or another helped the USSR and were a supplier for Germany - fuels and lubricants, products, etc. (the list of companies and firms is very wide)

[cruising tour]

There were not detachments, but divisions and regiments. Tens of thousands ... By the way, nearly 10000 Jews were captured near Moscow.

[Solmir]

And in what position is the RFiya now? Although I agree to the Russian Federation, this is not Russia.

[Gecko]

Hit yourself at the wall untill you die.

[Deniska]

If our corrupt politicians do not sell us with giblets.

[pseudodog]

Russia was put on its knees. Russia may not yet, but received a slap in the face. It is foolish to compare old Russia and new. Hitler was stopped (contrary to Soviet propaganda) by more than a simple soldier, Grandfather Frost.

[Witness 45]

Complete nonsense, which you repeat after the beaten Hitler’s warriors, you can recall the saying - something always bothers a bad dancer, then his own eggs in his pants, the way they have Russian frost.

[Zhenya1991]

only you remember that then the whole world fought against Germany and then everything is against Rasei

[Nitup]

But do not forget how many of this number the Nazis killed civilians

[ramzes1776]

There is unlikely to be a full-scale conflict with the United States. If they fight against us, then with the wrong hands. But here are the variations on the topic: Confrontations between Russia and China .... link http://vk.com/topic-15229571_22230950
At the end of February 201., China will begin large-scale military operations to occupy Siberia, the Far East and Transbaikalia. The main direction of the strike will be Central and Western Siberia, and the secondary, in terms of the number of troops of the strike group, are Primorye, the Far East and Transbaikalia .. In the first 24 hours of hostilities, all regions of Transbaikalia, the Far East and Primorye will be under occupation. For a longer time, battles will continue in Central and Western Siberia, but by the end-mid-April, Chinese troops will enter the Urals line. Airborne operations of the beginning of the war will be occupied by Yakutsk and the BAM, Magadan, Irkutsk and Krasnoyarsk highways will be cut. Upon completion of access to the Ural line and the capture of oil and gas-bearing deposits, China practically blocks NATO's actions to support Russia. The only ally in this war will be the United States, which dramatically and long-term strengthening of China threatens national security. In late April, airborne operations will be captured Kamchatka and Chukotka. The pace of offensive operations will be quite high from 200 to 500 km per day, which is explained by the absence of Russian troops in the main attack areas of the Chinese army who are ready to provide any serious opposition. Since, unlike the tactics of previous wars, China will not conduct concentration of troops near the Russian border, then, having received combat missions and timetables, the troops will march on a marching route from dark from their permanent quarters with an accelerated march directly to the place of the combat mission . Units and units that are bogged down in battle with the Russian troops will independently carry out their task. The main forces will march to the places of their combat missions. Thus, there will be no general delay in the offensive. The pace of development of the operation will be planned. The use of nuclear weapons, both strategic and tactical, will become impossible on the first day of the war, since the strike force will be completely in Russia.
On the territory of Russia there are already more than a thousand reconnaissance and sabotage groups of special forces of China, which are conducting reconnaissance of the missions designated by them for the destruction of objects. With the beginning of the war, these groups will destroy the launchers of strategic missiles, long-range, tactical, military transport aircraft. Launchers of anti-aircraft and operational-tactical systems, ammunition depots. Insecure command posts.
Immediately after the occupation of the territory, China will exchange rubles for the yuan at a preferential rate for the local population, import food and goods of its own production two to three times cheaper than the Russians are now forced to buy. Housing construction and production deployment in the occupied territories will be launched in a short time. From the moment of occupation, the indigenous population will not only raise their standard of living by two to three times, but will also receive stable work, due to the rapid development of territories.
For a successful war, excluding any resistance from the local population, China will conduct massive propaganda like: "We will help our Russian brothers to free themselves from the thieves of officials and robbers of the oligarchs!" "Siberia - we give it to the Siberians", etc. And they really will shoot the bribe-takers and embezzlers most famous both to the population and to the Chinese intelligence. Which will eloquently testify to their intentions. Those of the heads of administrations who do not have time to escape will instantly cooperate with the invaders, due to their psychology. And two weeks after the arrival of Chinese troops, a new order will reign in the occupied territories. Chinese!

[gizz]

It should not be forgotten that China is unlikely to share what it conquered in Russia (Siberia). Whether the amers will agree to make such a royal gift to China is a big question. After all, with Siberian resources, China will be able to lay its full on any country and bloc in the world. It is one thing to create an ostentatious enemy for yourself (for the "electorate") and quite another - a real and powerful one. It is unlikely that the Americans will do this. Yes, and the Chinese are not at all comfortable with fighting for something that can be taken anyway (and what a market for the alloy of their city ... to lose).

[Batman]

China is beyond the power of Russia !!! Although there are many Chinese, but this is a nation of hard workers, not warriors ... The USA is a nation of thieves, their morals are lower than the plinth, they end up in their own collapse ... One of the Great Nations is the Slavs, who must ultimately unite !! !, a nation that at all times possessed large territories !!, in the 10th century, even in America, we lived ...

[Shikari91]

It’s time for us to unite. Should not be brothers enemies.
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[Tatarus]

Who did you decide to unite with? With the Belarusians? I am for. With Ukrainians? I'm against. The people (Ukrainians) who shout that they are Russian brothers, at the same time choose and support a government that considers the RUSSIAN enemy? Why the hell are we such brothers. Let the gas bolt. Until the people of Ukraine overthrow their anti-Russian government, any Ukrainian for RUSSIAN should be considered OM. And these contraceptives, generally no where and no one likes.

[Tatarus]

Quote: Batman

One of the Great Nations is the Slavs, who must finally unite !!!, a nation that at all times possessed large territories !!, in the 10th century, even in America we lived.

I haven't heard a big rut for a long time. One of the great nations? There are no more Slavs. As there are no Gauls, Celts, Romans, etc. You will view your tree at least until the 13th century. And tell yourself "FOR RUN" ... The new Strong and Invincible nation is RUSSIANS. Precisely the adjective. That is, ONE WITH THE RUSSIAN SPIRIT. Examples of the sea. Military leaders, researchers, scientists. All of them, with non-Slavic surnames and names, were RUSSIAN. And even in Kievan Rus, in the prince's squad, anyone who proved his valor and usefulness on the RUSSIAN land served.

[cruising tour]

My friend has been working in China for three months already. A huge circle for communication ... At the moment we (first of all, Russia and for the company Ukraine) for them is a really beneficial FRIENDLY partner. But their specific mentality is such that half an hour after commands "fas!" for them (for 99,9% of the population) we will become enemy number 1 at the genetic level ... But he notes that after all, something is holding them back inside

[anomalocaris]

Yeah. The pace of attack is 200-500 km per day ... Mother across Siberia. In the BAM area in the direction of Magadan. Oh well...
I wonder what fucked up thing this is.

[Tatarus]

Quote: anomalocaris

I wonder what fucked up thing this is.

Attention, now we are observing a subspecies of the common dolboklyuya. He is called

Quote: anomalocaris

hollow

indoor. Well, this is the MCHUDAK that the world sees in isolation from reality.

"Nikolay Drozdov"

[skeptic]

Quote: Tatarus

Quote: anomalocaris
I wonder what fucked up thing this is.


Attention, now we are observing a subspecies of the common dolboklyuya. He is called
Quote: anomalocaris
hollow
indoor. Well, this is the MCHUDAK that the world sees in isolation from reality.

"Nikolay Drozdov" laughing

Actually - this is said about the topic above, but it is better without insults if you are a decent person. Although everyone can judge by himself?

[Solmir]

If you have never dealt with anything other than playing a game of soldiers, then the best thing is to keep silent.

[MUSKET]

We will not be expressed. However, I completely agree - 500 km. per day is fantastic. I explain: (attention will be long explanation) Personally, I drive home to Voronezh (I live in Minsk) 1300 km. what I spend 16 hours on. The speed from Minsk to the border of the Russian Federation is 120 km / h (because it is allowed and coverage allows), from the border of the Russian Federation to Voronezh 100-110. Towards the end of the journey, my eyes look in different directions, and the brain dries to the size of a walnut, the vacant space is filled with feces. Stopping to eat alone or 2. To recover - no more than 5. Suppose (I don’t know for sure) the average speed is about 90 km / h (in Russia there are many villages, even at M1 + stops). Now the Chinese - in our (and therefore their) armored vehicles the maximum speed in the majority does not exceed 65 km / h (learn the materiel). But this is natural in a straight line and on a highway. So, firstly, the Chinese will not be able to go at maximum speed - a fact. Firstly, in a column this is not possible in principle. And secondly, if someone does not know (I lived there and I know for sure) the Far East and the south of Eastern Siberia are covered with hills. That is, there are very few direct sections on the roads. It turns out that the column of armored vehicles can actually move at a speed of no more than 40 km / h, and even with endless turns and elevations, I’m sure I can’t give more than 30 well, even 35km / h. In addition, in the tank I dare to say a little less comfortable than in a passenger car. So the tankers will fall on leverage after 10 hours even if they are super prepared (I could be wrong here, but in any case, at night the traffic will slow down so much that the distance traveled in the dark can be neglected). Yes, even God forbid at least a couple of times the pee will stop, then the average speed will be even lower. And if a policeman stops their right to check them ... In short, they will not be able to squeeze out more than 300 tons of kilometers a day, even under the most favorable conditions. I’m silent about the situation when ours will throw their tank across the road. He’ll have to go around the bushes ... And in February (as the author) there, as it were ... snow. Now get directions from the village of Novogeorgievka (border with China) to Nakhodka. See that on the road it is 320 km. So even Primorye will not be able to completely occupy the Chinese in 24 hours. A completely different topic is that China will not have 24 hours to march. And not even 3-4 days or a week. And much more time.

[RUS-36]

China is the main problem of Russia - 100%, they have already begun to populate our territory, ask local residents of the Eastern territories of Russia.

Chukotka Autonomous Region lost more than half of its population during the 1990s;
Magadan region - 40%,
Kamchatka - 18%,
Sakhalin - 16%
Sakha-Yakutia - 10%.
It confirms what many in our country were afraid of - the influx of Chinese is turning into an instrument for the peaceful capture of Russian territories. Moreover, it is difficult to believe that this action is spontaneous.
One of the first from Chinese migrants suffered the Sverdlovsk region. According to the "New Region" agency, whole Chinatowns appeared in Yekaterinburg. Everything would be fine, people live and live - Russia needs labor, the main thing is that the influx of migrants is carefully regulated. But the problem is that the Chinese do not consider Russia to temporarily shelter their foreign territory, but consider it ... their land!
You don’t have to go far for examples. Not so long ago - this summer - the head of the Ministry of Agriculture of the Sverdlovsk Region, Sergei Chemezov, had to personally intervene in the conflict between the local farmer and the Chinese wage workers. The essence of the matter was as follows: the workers used land owned by the farmer, he said, on a rental basis. At the same time, the Chinese refused to pay for the hiring, citing the fact that if they work on this land, it belongs to them, and they do not intend to give their “hard earned” money to someone.
This is not the only scandal involving Chinese migrants. Valuable tree species and rare species of animals grow in the forest on the territory of the Nizhneserginsky district, where the protected areas are located, immigrants from the Celestial Empire started illegal construction. According to local residents, the Chinese put cars and began to equip the territory under the construction site. Workers avoid contact with the population, and one can only guess what can be built in the forest thicket?
But local residents are not going to put up with the uncontrolled seizure of territories by Chinese migrants. True, while their efforts to curb violations in the forest conservation zone remain in vain. “We asked the district administration for clarification, wrote a complaint to the passport and visa service, controlled by the chief of the regional police, Mikhail Nikitin. After all, they live there and work all illegally, without documents. But there are no answers, ”Nizhniy Sergins report dejectedly. Although the deputies of the Sverdlovsk Regional Duma promised to take this situation under their personal control, they stated that they would bring the district prosecutor Yuri Zolotov to the solution of the problem, the main forest administration of the Sverdlovsk Region - the problem has not yet been resolved. The local initiative group is waiting for help from its fellow countryman Yevgeny Porunov, chairman of the Yekaterinburg City Duma, but so far it remains only to rely on his support.
In fact, Russia is conquering from within. There has long been talk that China will not seize by military means what can be appropriated peacefully. The splashing of Chinese migrants into the territory of the Urals, Western and Eastern Siberia, the Far East may seem like “flowers” ​​in comparison with the “great migration of people” to the endless expanses of Russia. At the same time, everything will be friendly and no war will be discussed, naturally.

[Grossfater]

Well, bredyatina. From the same opera:
"In the center of Chelyabinsk, people are fleeing the city. At the train station, in a stampede for tickets, seventy people have died! The shops have run out of suitcases, people are packing their things into garbage bags !!!" the hell that the city is turning into.On the federal highway, there are huge traffic jams from right-hand drive cars, people leave with families, but the police take away everyone's rights and pierce the wheels, all the wheels right up to the reserves! People drink iodine with glasses, eat algae right from the frozen reservoir and still are dying from unidentified falling objects !!! The planes that managed to escape are shot down somewhere in the Yekaterinburg area. The construction of the Great Russian Wall, which will protect the Urals from space invaders, has also begun. "

[ovgorskiy]

At the end of February 201., China will begin large-scale military operations to occupy Siberia

Believe me, no sane person will begin to fight in Siberia at the end of February, when the frost is near 30. It looks more like a won against aliens. If you replace the Chinese with aliens, it will be more similar. Rare nonsense!

[Alexss]

from 200 to 500 km per day? yes in Siberia? Good fantasy))

[pavelfi]

only you dear forgot that this is our country, the Pomors didn’t give anything, they won’t give it away now ... we are weak now, but we will strengthen .. Deceive your neighbor, otherwise, the distant one will come close and deceive you.

[pilot mk]

The combat losses of the Soviet and German armies are comparable for the Germans even more losses, and this is without taking into account the Italians Romanians and others ...

[alex_asch]

I do not think that in an attack on Russia, fraternal Belarus will remain on the sidelines. even without a professional army, the guerrilla experience of our country is still being studied in intelligence schools around the world!

[Igar]

And what about Hitler in general? It is necessary to end bragging about past victories. They will forever remain in our memory. But now the situation is different.
As for the article, the analysis is UNPAID. The author stubbornly pulls the rope toward Russia. Take, for example, the Air Force comparison: the Americans have more planes, they are newer, but Russia has long-range missiles and good air defense. Bullshit, comrades. You can’t compare like that.
Soberly arguing, in the war between the Russian Federation and the USA, without the use of nuclear weapons, the USA will come out the winner, albeit with heavy losses. America is armed with a newer, better, prof. preparation is higher, experience is more + in terms of logistics capabilities they surpass all countries of the world taken together multiplied by two.

In years, commercials of 10-15-20 may come up with some chances for Russia.

[imperiologist]

Quote: IGAR

In years, commercials of 10-15-20 may come up with some chances for Russia.

you do not take into account the fighting spirit of our people (they could not have weathered it in 20 years) climatic features, the scale of the country. For war with us, the amers will need to concentrate at least 1 soldiers and the corresponding number of equipment in Russia, if we take into account that our air defense will mow down most of their aviation, the war will be mostly land-based, which will give odds to our missile systems and ground targets as well, naturally, amers will use supersonic missiles but no one bothers us with them. In any case, the war will be protracted and this is dangerous It takes huge expenses to support the American army, whether the pin will bear such a burden in a dying economy, as America’s citizens will behave when their children begin to bring in hundreds of zinc, in the seventies the unrest over Vietnam shook all of America. Russia will fight on its territory, people will protect their families and homes, but it will be increasingly difficult for the American government to calm their pacifists with every week of the war

[Batman]

without the use of nuclear weapons, the USA will be the winner

America is armed with a newer, better, prof. preparation is higher, experience is more + in terms of logistics capabilities they surpass all countries of the world taken together multiplied by two

therefore, the USA suffered huge losses in Iraq ?, but they did not fight against the Army of the Country (because the government sold the country), but against the partisans ... the USA is trying to prove by all means that it is worth something ... but it only banana countries won, which simply by definition could not give a normal rebuff ... As a result, so as not to become disgraced, they do not even get involved in new military conflicts .. they now do not fly into space ... Any country in the world will meet colossal partisan resistance !!!

[Solmir]

And why is there no guerrilla movement against the trash of minions destroying the country? Why was he not against the Yeltsin?

[VictorRO]

If the war with nuclear weapons - the winners are unlikely to be. And the survivors will envy the dead. But it is unlikely that the United States will engage in a war with Russia, but China, with such a population and problems in the future, can go feed, although the option is the same, because nuclear weapons are a deterrent, but not salvation.

[skeptic]

Quote: IGAR

America is armed with a newer, better, prof. preparation is higher, experience is more + in terms of logistics capabilities they surpass all countries of the world taken together multiplied by two.

Let me disagree. When countries more equipped, strategically, economically, etc., popped into Afghanistan and stumbled upon the will of a poor, but freedom-loving people, then it became necessary to lean back, without losing face. I’m not speaking already in the whole history of Russia - mother. So it depends on you and our Motherland how our fate will turn, as well as world peace.

[Raven1972]

Here is the "invulnerable" abrasha
As it turned out in Iraq, RPG-7 sews it in any projection in spite of the uranium armor .... But RPG-7 has not been canceled yet ...

[ramzes1776]

Quote: IGAR

In years, commercials of 10-15-20 may come up with some chances for Russia.

Read the book "Invasion from the Future" by Maxim Kalashnikov (http://www.03pressa.ru/201210/kreshenie_ognem_vtorzhenie_iz_budushego_.htm)
, where, using historical facts as an example, it is shown that not the one with the steeper army wins. But there are always chances, even from the most hopeless situations.

[Dimka off]

Quote: IGAR

Bullshit, comrades. You can’t compare like that.

You're wrong. Take into account the partisans. The Americans will have the earth burn under their feet. For a long time they will not be able to occupy our land.

[see]

Russia fought with all of Europe, since Germany, having occupied European countries, used not only their resources, but also part of the manpower ....

[Solmir]

Only a socialist country fought against Hitler, led by a leadership in which there were no traitors. And at the head of the Russian Federation puppets of the West. And not only Dima and Vova but all this camarilla that grazes near Zu to Nemtsov and Navalny. They play a performance and quietly finish off the country

[Dnepropetrovsk]

Ever since the Soviet Union, much attention has been paid to the ground forces, I believe that other types of troops are not of little importance.

[Nesvet Nezar]

The article describes the troops of the Tellurocrats and implies a war on land. But America is a thalasocracy. In general, thanks for the article, even though I personally have not read a new one. I think there will be a second article about the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy. There I have knowledge gaps. I look forward to it.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Nesvet Nezarya

I think there will be a second article about the Strategic Missile Forces and the Navy. There I have knowledge gaps. I look forward to it.

Personal PU Poplar on a garden plot of 12 acres. Canopy with a sliding roof type "Krona". The launch control is carried out autonomously. commands can be issued via a mobile phone integrated with the ASBU "Signal-A"
All patriotic gardeners who want to get to America are given discounts on MIRV at the price of a monoblock. The absence of gaps in knowledge and service experience is irrelevant. SIM cards with PIN codes PZ can be purchased in the salons of the operator "Megaton" Strategic Missile Forces of Russia

[Wedmak]

Wrap two please! And the escort car to the heap.

[Ziksura]

Quote: Ascetic

Personal PU Poplar on a garden plot of 12 acres. Canopy with a sliding roof type "Krona". The launch control is carried out autonomously. commands can be issued via a mobile phone integrated with the ASBU "Signal-A"
All patriotic gardeners who want to get to America are given discounts on MIRV at the price of a monoblock. The absence of gaps in knowledge and service experience is irrelevant. SIM cards with PIN codes PZ can be purchased in the salons of the operator "Megaton" Strategic Missile Forces of Russia

Are there any developments for residents of apartment buildings? Well, anything with a driveway start? Although I can put it in parents in the private sector. In short, Wrap up !!!!

[Ascetic]

Quote: Ziksura

Are there any developments for residents of apartment buildings? Well, anything with a driveway start? Although I can put it in parents in the private sector. In short, Wrap up !!!!

Only OS type (separate start) in the freight elevator shaft.

[kostiknet]

Quote: Ascetic

Only OS type (separate start) in the freight elevator shaft.

two, please, just take the elevator, otherwise it will interfere (I’m not paranoid, I just love weapons, I hate amers and by the way - ENOUGH SPY FOR ME !!!! )

[zvereok]

in the elevator shaft can be attached (under the house).

[Kuzkin Batyan]

Are you applying for a loan? Which banks? I would have for a heap a pu case on the color of a tomato bed.

[Ascetic]

Quote: Kuzkin Batyan

I would have for a heap a pu case on the color of a tomato bed.

Case included. top on both sides of the TPK

[zvereok]

Mobile communication at the time of the need for launch, most likely will not work. As a result, a trophy, or manually launch. Or do I not know something?

[Ascetic]

Quote: zvereok

Mobile communication at the time of the need for launch, most likely will not work. As a result, a trophy, or manually launch. Or do I not know something?

We have our own network with repeaters, Everything will be even in conditions of powerful EMP .. But in general it’s a joke, but in every joke there is a fraction of a joke ..

[zvereok]

Not reliable, there is nothing more reliable than copper, but ... Anyway, brothers, like brothers, like brothers live! ....

[Zubr]

And there will be ka in that joke .. "About the peacefully plowing Soviet tractor on the Soviet-Chinese border" ..

[Raven1972]

Yes, and the harvester will not stay away)))))

[ben05]

I could not plyusanut, and so off!

[imperiologist]

I hope this is not Made-in-China, if not, then I need two sets of combat railway missile systems, let the kids fool around

[Kolya]

At the moment, there are two threats: overcoming the missile defense system of the West and the destruction of guerrilla terrorists like the "free Syrian army". In the first case, strategic submarines, in the second - small UAVs, tanks and snipers decide. In almost all other cases, tactical nuclear weapons. Information weapon - the development of patriotism, and sometimes hang liberal oligarchs or high-ranking corrupt officials.

[Zubr]

Nuclear weapons. An information weapon is the development of patriotism, and hang liberal-oligarchs or senior bureaucrats of corruption sometimes.

It may be out of place, I’ll blurt out, but I remembered the decree of Peter the Great on grain trade.
Maybe it should be processed and included in the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? I quote ..

"Since the trade in bread is a thieves' business, according to this I command you to set scanty wages and hang one every year!"

[Tatarus]

Quote: Zubr

"Since the trade in bread is a thieves' business, according to this I command you to set scanty wages and hang one every year!"

Peter 1 Respect and respect.

[Sasha 19871987]

from the course of history, it’s clear, they’ll feed us by shit ...

[sergey32]

Guys, I saw amers recently in the Dominican Republic, who should fight there? With little excitement, they will never climb into the ocean, but there are more places for Russians. In recent years, drunk Russian tourists have become Russia's terrible ideological weapon. That's who the Westerners are trying not to mess with. What war can be for them in Russia, it’s cold, scary, intolerant, undemocratic in the same place. There you are guaranteed to rake in full.

[Samaritan]

Recently I was in Thailand, all foreigners are warned for safety reasons, look at the Adam's apple of Thais ... And bypass the Russians, they can beat you only because you are a foreigner! )))

[Nicotine 7]

Yes, they normally treat us abroad, we just need to behave with dignity, that's all!

[zvereok]

And what about the Thais, with the Adam's apple? Well, like tranny, you mean it?

[ben05]

Clear comment.

[Andrey57]

in January 2007, in one small Indian town with a population of only 600,000 people, 6 amers took to pounding one skinny Indian woman, 2 Russian tourists from the Urals were driving past on scooters, it should be noted that they looked like a wolf on them in "Well, wait!" knees at the level of the steering wheel, they told amers to stop hitting the Hindu. Amer did a great stupidity - they sent ours. After that, 2 Russians smashed 6 amers into the trash, after that they turn to their scooters - then there is a mute scene, a policeman is standing near the scooters and scribbling some papers, counting the "heroes" lying on the ground with a pen. Our team decided that they had gotten into trouble very seriously, but looking at their faces, the policeman said that everything was in order and he saw how two "Big Rashins" protected the Indian citizen. The next morning, there were mind-blowing discounts in all markets and beer shops for the guys.

[kostiknet]

Quote: sergey32

it's cold, scary, intolerant, undemocratic.

And instead of drunken tourists - drunken soldiers !! That's where their main horror and nightmare

[zvereok]

Chet notice, there is progress. One Russian costs 100 Americans (if they do not deliver toilet paper on time). (I sing) This means that war is coming soon. (I sing again) The enemy, always remains the enemy, do not share bread with him, do not call him into the house.

[Raven1972]

And to each we single out personal housing - a 2x1 dugout with a stone slab and a fence ...

[kostiknet]

Quote: sasha 19871987

from the course of history, it’s clear, they’ll feed us by shit ...

They remembered their defeats before, but each generation of "Russian teachers" thinks they are smarter, luckier, cooler ... So they will come to us, they will definitely come! The question is when? And we have enough shit for them all

[Bezarius]

Do not forget, it’s not a weapon that fights - people are fighting. In the event of a war on our territory, any enemy will have to fight not only with our army, but also with our people and our harsh climate. Considering that their elite units refuse to go on operations due to the lack of Coke, nothing shines on our lands.

[edge731]

Quote: Bezarius

Considering that their elite units refuse to go on operations due to the lack of Coke, nothing shines on our lands.

That's right - in the first place it will be necessary to destroy the McDonald's and Coca-Cola factories.

[Winged]

And factories for the production of toilet paper.

[Dilshat]

Current does not need to prepare for the last war. The experience of the Second World War has been carefully studied and shoveled by the West. Due to the harsh climate, they have civilian clothes that we still do not have in the army. When Shoigu only recently began to introduce thermal underwear.

[Quiet]

As for the harsh climate, they have civilian clothes which we still do not have in the army

But all the amenities for them in Russia in the yard !!!! Dry closets too !!!!

The prostate will cover the supermen with a copper basin. But the Russians don’t give a damn about ice cream at -20 at !!!!

[anomalocaris]

-20 it's still warm ...

[zvereok]

The war on our territory will damage primarily our infrastructure and reduce the size of our people.

[gizz]

They will recruit mercenaries. Ukrainians, Balts, all sorts of Romanians, and some Russians will gladly go. (recent Chechen wars or http://lib.rus.ec/b/146520 as an option).

[Old skeptic]

A couple of raids on cola and amer factories are not combat ready

[nakaz]

After landing in Murmansk, the only surviving US Army soldier, the landing in Normandy will seem like a trip to the nearest forest.

[MakSim51ru]

Let me ask why this?

[svp67]

If only he - Napoleon was the same not the last person and the army was not bad and had the same ratio of soldiers, horses, guns, and everything seemed to be in his favor, but only when he got into the war, suddenly from somewhere not taken into account " peasant clubs ", partisans, frosts and impassability appeared ... And that's all. there is no army. no Napoleon ...

[strannik595]

you can compare ...... only how can they approach the borders in such an amount of troops and equipment unnoticed, is this not 41? evaporate on the way .... tanks and self-propelled guns are for stunned Georgians, well, maybe the Poles, if they suddenly tear off the roof ..... blacks tearing through Alaska or through the territory of Germany and France simply can not imagine ....... .... but some American soldier of the People’s Commissar who pressed the wrong button or flew in the wrong direction and launched a rocket under the influence of disruptions in his personal life, yes, maybe ...

[aviamed90]

They’ll do something — don’t be shy! But how many fighters we mobilize during this time, arm them, build tank and various other military plants, etc. Will we succeed? And who will do this? Vasiliev with Serdyukov and Makarov and the like?

[Quiet]

Napoleon’s army, going through Poland, got lice and some of it contracted typhoid .....

[aviamed90]

Do you propose to rely on the brothers of our lesser insects from the world?

[minister]

article plus !! thanks to the author !!! I would like to see comparisons of RUSSIA and the PRC.
AND THERE IS A PROVERSE "NOT SO FUCKING THE DAMN AS HIM HIM"

[mansur]

Su-35, Su-27 and MiG-31BM, equipped with modern radar and missiles R-37 with a greater launch range than any American rocket, allow these machines to significantly reduce their lag even before the most modern American fighter 5-th generation F-22 Raptor, with low visibility. With the F-15, F-16 and F / A-18 fighters they can deal without any problems.
According to the report of the Australian analytical center Air Power Australia, which was a comparison of American military aircraft and Russian air defense systems. In the case of a full-scale military conflict, the possibility of the survival of US air force aviation is almost completely excluded due to the fact that Russian air defense systems: radar systems and anti-aircraft missile systems have reached the highest level of development. Modern Russian air defense systems C-400 have no analogues in the world at all and are far superior to the American Patriot.
The artillery is also at the level, but how do the T-72 tanks fight in Syria and how many did they count?
Well, the Russian nuclear triad is a strategic offensive armed forces that includes three components: strategic aviation, intercontinental ballistic missiles and nuclear submarine missile carriers.
And all this is gradually being modernized.
What is the problem

[Gari]

I completely agree and if it weren’t for the Americans if they didn’t know all this, they didn’t take Russia into account as they did with the example of Syria, before the Russian squadron appeared in the Mediterranean Sea The invincible and legendary Sixth Fleet of the US Navy hastily left the Mediterranean Sea as it approached the Russian coast of Syria naval grouping. Actually, the Sixth Fleet itself and its commander, Vice Admiral Craig Pandolf, have not gone anywhere - they are still in the zone of responsibility entrusted to them, listed in all operational reports and financial reports. At the numerous Mediterranean bases of the Sixth Fleet, life also flows in the usual mode - outfits, dismissal, perimeter security, painting fences, theft of property, unpaid bills for electricity, gas and fresh water.
Another thing is that the ships of the Sixth Fleet strangely disappeared from the Mediterranean Sea!
There is a fleet, but no ships

[Serg_Y]

No need to pay attention to the ratio of the performance characteristics of weapons, you need to do the maximum possible, taking into account the price, of course, when the thunder breaks out, then we will compare. At the expense of super air defense, do not "la-la", the meteorite over Chelyabinsk was not shot down, but this is serious.

[Wedmak]

At the expense of super air defense, do not "la-la", the meteorite over Chelyabinsk was not shot down, but this is serious.

Are you again A meteorite over Chelyabinsk would not be knocked down by anyone. No one has such systems.

[Serg_Y]

This is my opinion, is there a technical possibility? There is. Nobody knows who this is, I have not heard about this, "Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself." Super is protection against all known dangers, our air defense is not super, although not bad.

[101]

I agree with the meteorite defect came out Guilty punished The personnel indicated the inadmissibility of future meteorite falls in the entrusted territory

[Serg_Y]

Not funny, as far as I know, now the personnel are not allowed to shoot down meteorites. No need to blame the "switchmen".

[skeptic]

Quote: Serg_Y

Not funny, as far as I know, now the personnel are not allowed to shoot down meteorites. No need to blame the "switchmen".

Of course, the greens fussed again.

[skeptic]

Quote: Serg_Y

Super is protection against all known dangers, our air defense is not super, although not bad.

But American air defense about the meteorite was viewed only in the evening news.

[Serg_Y]

So it means "nobody" is the Americans, so I didn't know that we were looking into the mouth of the Americans.

[antiaircrafter]

Quote: Serg_Y

At the expense of super air defense, no need to "la-la", the meteorite over Chelyabinsk was not shot down

For most air defense systems, the typical goal is aerodynamic. Meteorite - BALLISTIC GOAL !!!
And who said that around Chelyabinsk a permanent air defense system is deployed?

[Serg_Y]

From wiki
Triumph (S-400, originally S-300PM3, air defense index - 40P6, according to the classification of the US and NATO Defense Forces - SA-21 Growler, literally "Grumble") - Russian anti-aircraft missile system of long and medium range, anti-aircraft missile system (SAM) a new generation. Designed to defeat all modern and promising means of aerospace attack.

[Slavka]

Dear, do you remember the rate of meteorite entry into the Earth’s atmosphere? Next, we look at the speed of deployment of the system (let the S-300), plus the speed of the anti-missile ... Plus, the mass-dimensional characteristics of the object. Than we had to bring him down ???!

[Boa kaa]

Good afternoon, Gary! I always read your comments with interest and benefit. Thanks for that, I save time by learning something new for myself. This is by the way.
But you have an idea about the 6 US fleet as a coastal structure. And this is a purely naval association with headquarters in London and the flagship in the Mediterranean. The remaining ships are new: periodically change after a certain period.
This is a strong opponent. And he performs the commands that he received from the leadership. They told to leave and not to interfere with the Russians to accomplish the task with the landing on the Syrian coast - they carried it out ... Our reporters tattered our pride with constant humiliation, shifting the emphasis and shifting the attention of readers to the flight of the Americans, to pick the main thing ... what the Russians did on the shore.

[carbofo]

Quote: Genady1976

Hitler also did not have an army from kindergarten.

That comrade with stupid ideas, had the BEST army in the world at that time, having considerable combat experience, well-coordinated interaction of units, good logistics, well-trained and equipped soldiers.
Behind them was the production of all of Europe with almost 400 million people.
Results of the war:
1-comparable losses of almost 1 in 1 in combat losses, including all European units fighting on the eastern front. If we consider only the fascist, then the mathematics is different, but it is usually used by liberals.
2 fascists were beaten to the nut.

No one has such power and so much grief.
2-

[zvereok]

By the way, the interaction with us is bad.

[carbofo]

Quote: zvereok

By the way, the interaction with us is bad.

With the interaction we have a full cabin.
I can’t cite the facts, but it even feels like in an ideal counter-terrorist operation in Chechnya, we had not just problems.
As for the war with Georgia, there is even less information.
If you go back to the past in 1941, we were greatly hindered by the lack of an adequate connection, it was later established, but in my opinion the correct conclusions have already been poached.
Individually, both equipment and units have a high combat potential, but there are problems in the interaction complex of a theater of operations.

[Slavka]

In the war with Georgia in the early days, a complete fucking thing was going on ... with command of the troops. Only units of the GRU and reconnaissance of the Airborne Forces performed the BZ. Only on (in my opinion) the fourth day of the war the command was transferred to a combat general. Then everything went to a solid "4". Our main losses fell on the first three days of the war. Hence the moral, not to do armchair rats in war !!! I hope this will not happen again ...

[fero]

What kind of production are you talking about?
Shaw tanks for Germany somewhere else produced in huge quantities? .. Yes, except for a couple of factories in Czechoslovakia no one else supplied armored vehicles, and of course there were captured ones. The same parsley and aviation. Well, give examples of how many factories of Europe delivered aircraft in the Luftwaffe after 39 years? ... and armored vehicles?
And then compare with the megapower of Soviet industry that produced tens of thousands of equipment.
The resources were only controlled and no more, and the captured industry worked mainly as repair bases. To establish the release of the necessary equipment in a new production is not for you khukh-mukhra. Moreover, the Germans did not have conveyors for the production of tanks, for example, as in the USSR ... they had another production system based on highly skilled labor.
The Soviet army fought with the Nazis primarily in numbers, and only then by training.

[carbofo]

Quote: fero

What kind of production are you talking about?
.Yes, except for a couple of factories in Czechoslovakia, no one else supplied armored vehicles, and of course there were captured ones.
The Soviet army fought with the Nazis primarily in numbers, and only then by training.

Do you understand what you said?
The tank industry was in Poland, Germany, France, and the Czech Republic.
The combined power of production at the beginning of the war was greater than ours, well, maybe less technologically advanced, for which we increased the production of equipment several times in the shortest time, the Germans could not increase such production rates.
As regards aviation, you are probably aware that our aviation, although outnumbered German, was less technical than aircraft, which subsequently affected air control, and many experienced pilots died at the beginning of the war, which is also negative affected the combat efficiency of aviation.
We also did not have conveyors at that time, you probably have seen enough reports from the automobile industry.
We are all flattered that you recall with such fear the MEGAMOSCH of the USSR :).
Properly afraid.

[fero]

Will there be no numbers? What exactly did Polish, French, Czech equipment enter after the 39th year in the German army? ... that is, from the moment when Europe was conquered?
I have heard a lot about the technical perfection of technology in the service of the Vermarcht and do not dispute, I do not agree that the economy of all Europe "worked" for the Nazi war machine. This is not true. It is one thing to conquer it, and another thing to build it into your economic and technical system.
Here’s an example for the sake of telling where else the PzKpfw IV tanks were produced except in Germany itself? ... there was export of tanks, but I don’t remember something outside of Germany.
About the assembly line of our tanks here for example http://waralbum.ru/132462/
And how does it turn out that the economy of all of Europe (not destroyed and in prosperity) produced fewer tanks than the destroyed USSR? .. Strange as that. That is why I believe that it’s not a fig, not ALL Europe was on the premises of Germany.

[heathen]

e.g. Czech:

"To be precise, 150 light tanks LT-38, which were built by order of the Ministry of War of Czechoslovakia, went to the Germans as a trophy. The remaining 1411 Pz Kpfw 38 (t) were built by order of the German Armaments Directorate. Production ended in the 42nd year. In modifications A, B, C, D, E, F, S and G, the direction of the modernization is visible: the engine power, armor and weight were increased. The production of tank chassis, which were used in various self-propelled units, was carried out until the end of the war. German divisions Czech tanks participated in the French and Polish campaigns.On June 1, 1941, the troops had 763 Pz Kpfw 38 (t). These vehicles and 189 captured LT-35 tanks accounted for almost 25% of the Wehrmacht's tank fleet. the Soviet front put an end to the "career" of these machines. The German command transferred the surviving machines of the Slovak army to the West. "

http://topwar.ru/17305-bronetankovaya-tehnika-germanii-vo-vtoroy-mirovoy-voyne-l
egkiy-tank-pz-kpfw-38t.html

[skeptic]

Quote: fero

What kind of production are you talking about?
Shaw tanks for Germany somewhere else produced in huge quantities? .. Yes, except for a couple of factories in Czechoslovakia no one else supplied armored vehicles, and of course there were captured ones. The same parsley and aviation. Well, give examples of how many factories of Europe delivered aircraft in the Luftwaffe after 39 years? ... and armored vehicles?
And then compare with the megapower of Soviet industry that produced tens of thousands of equipment.

Why, dear, how can a degrading, Bolshevik and completely inefficient regime come from? The king of hell that he left, remember the First World War, and the Civil War. Destroyed what was. A highly efficient European economy, without destruction, smoothly, was transferred to the production necessary for the Wehrmacht. Want to say, Hitler was and squared his fingers, watched what the military factories of Europe were producing? And he left the military equipment throughout Europe to the owners, for museums.

[not good]

Yeah, poor Germans in shorts and slingshots

[mansur]

We walked all over Europe and came across Moscow and Stalinrad, and rolled back

[vjhbc]

if in its resilience the us army at least approaches the Wehrmacht 41 it will be a disaster for both countries for at least 10 years of war and the complete destruction of both economies and plus the degradation of the Russian ethnic group which is unlikely to be restored

[zvereok]

China will become the Hegemon.

[skeptic]

Quote: zvereok

China will become the Hegemon.

But at least because of this, the Americans will not get involved in the third world adventure.

[Quiet]

if, in terms of resilience, the us army at least approaches the Wehrmacht 41, it will be a disaster for both countries

Any army fights well only in defense and only on its territory ....

[Hudo]

Quote: Quiet

Any army fights well only in defense and only on its territory ....

I deeply and sincerely doubt that these words of yours would have found understanding and support, for example, from Generalissimo Comrade Stalin Joseph Vissarionovich or from Generalissimo Suvorov Alexander Vasilievich ..

[carbofo]

Quote: Quiet

if, in terms of resilience, the us army at least approaches the Wehrmacht 41, it will be a disaster for both countries

Any army fights well only in defense and only on its territory ....

Yeah, in 1939 we already saw the valiant defense of Europe !!!

Incidentally, about half an hour was allotted for the passage and destruction of border lines, and some fascist units hung for weeks.

[carbofo]

I had in mind our border, not European.

[heathen]

Only here history says that Russians in Europe have successfully marked themselves more than once. And Byzantium was plagued, and they reached the city of Paris, and in Berlin they raised the banner ...

[brelok]

completely forgot about the moral factor. Hitler also remembered this late

[kosmos44]

Let me just say: - "We compared the" horseradish "with a finger."

[Serg_Y]

As accurately said, for the revival of Russia!

[skeptic]

Considering that the US Army will be forced to fight for bridgeheads and their further expansion at the initial stage of the campaign, such operations without air supremacy will be doomed to failure in advance.

Quote: Genady1976

Hitler also did not have an army from kindergarten.

A bridgehead for the United States can serve, almost all bordering countries from the west, and Asia can soon become. But most importantly, it is not in vain that the mold penetration scenario has been worked out for so long, under the guise of a pseudo-religious teaching. When highly organized chaos occurs over a vast territory. With attacks and shelling of Russian airfields of air defense systems on the march.
First of all, it is necessary to work out disinfectants from the above mold, because in the open west can decide to attack only a frankly weak enemy.

[Su24]

Also in 2012, half of the Su-27 was upgraded to version Su-27SM3

Someone came up with this nonsense, and went for a walk on the Internet. Su-27SM3 are new aircraft, there are only 12 of them (1 ae in Krymsk). Of the combatants, the Su-27 is being upgraded only to the "SM" version. There are only 4 such units + 5 units in Lipetsk, about 100 units in total.

[fzr1000]

Something is somehow very rosy. So far, we have one hope - on nuclear weapons.

[djon3volta]

Quote: fzr1000

Something is somehow very rosy.

but why if something bright and good is written, and even with the facts, then some start to doubt it? I don’t understand the behavior of this. According to your logic, if the Russian army had an 2 tank and an 1 plane, you would be inspired that whether ??? strange logic for many here, judging by the comments that I have been reading for several months, it’s strange ..

[Feanor]

Quote: djon3volta

but why if something bright and good is written, and even with the facts, then some start to doubt it? I don’t understand the behavior of this. According to your logic, if the Russian army had an 2 tank and an 1 plane, you would be inspired that whether ??? strange logic for many here, judging by the comments that I have been reading for several months, it’s strange ..

About 2 tanks and one plane, are you talking about the Baltic states inspired by their army?

[djon3volta]

Quote: feanor

Are you talking about the Balts inspired by their army?

no, I said figuratively. well, the superiority is evident from the article in whose favor? well, it’s obvious that the superiority is towards Russia, what’s the point of denying facts or belittling them? The USSR had 65000 tanks in general, can you imagine if there would be at least 20 -30 thousand tanks went west? No NATO will stop the number of tanks! And judging by the fact that almost all tanks and self-propelled guns in the United States are in the United States itself, they will not be able to transfer to another continent, they will simply sink them if not in on the docks, then on the way to the caravan. In short, the United States knows perfectly well that they are useless butting with Russia, they have already heard this for a long time.

[Feanor]

Quote: djon3volta

no, I said figuratively. well, the superiority is evident from the article in whose favor? well, it’s obvious that the superiority is towards Russia, what’s the point of denying facts or belittling them? The USSR had 65000 tanks in general, can you imagine if there would be at least 20 -30 thousand tanks went west? No NATO will stop the number of tanks! And judging by the fact that almost all tanks and self-propelled guns in the United States are in the United States itself, they will not be able to transfer to another continent, they will simply sink them if not in on the docks, then on the way to the caravan. In short, the United States knows perfectly well that they are useless butting with Russia, they have already heard this for a long time.

Undoubtedly, there is no sense in shouting that everything is gone and we can only answer with nuclear weapons. But over the past 4 years, Serdyukov and Co. have so shredded the army that after the reforms it still has to be restored.

[djon3volta]

Quote: feanor

But over the past 4 years, Serdyukov and Co. have so shredded the army that after the reforms it still has to be restored.

he didn’t paint the army itself, judging by the cases for which he could be judged, he was simply stealing and selling land and objects. Really, under Serdyukov, they didn’t build new nuclear submarines, planes, tanks, missiles, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, etc.? I think he just didn’t deal with the army itself, and that’s good. It just needs to be looked at and analyzed from the other side. Here, under Grachev, little was produced and many were destroyed.
Look at the first 3 minutes of the video. You may not watch further, but FIRST THREE MINUTES is a must-see.

[Slevinst]

did not watch 3 minutes, looked to the end, many thanks! my doubts about Putin are gone

[qube4]

better yet, watch all 4 films)

[Vrungel78]

Yes you are right. But he brought down the most important thing in the Army: the confidence of the people on it. The army has practically turned into the same corrupt body as the police with all its units, the court, bureaucracy, etc. It is clear that he stole with his bedding, but the People say: IN THE ARMY STEAL

[aviamed90]

Few tanks and guns to rivet! Although this is very problematic in our conditions (there are no skilled workers, machine tools, engineers, just factories owned by the state, not thieves from 90's). It is necessary to have a trained cadre of the army (officers - schools ordered to live long, soldiers serve 1 year), a mobilization reserve (he is, but in a complete mess), organize this army in part, formations (otherwise it’s just a herd), have enough stock of weapons (ammunition plants are almost bankrupt, warehouses burn every year), have efficient headquarters at all levels, a command and control system, etc.
Conclusion: as always, Russia is not ready for war. And when was she ready? But still such a mess as it was now NEVER.

[1goose3]

Conclusion: as always, Russia is not ready for war. And when was she ready? But still such a mess as it was now NEVER.

In the 90s there was the mess itself, now the situation, in comparison with the 90s, is like heaven and earth. And the industry is recovering, the dynamics are encouraging, where are your new weapons?
Judging by the comment, you are an alarmist. I do not know how it is treated in peacetime, but in wartime this disease is eradicated at the "wall" to zero.

[aviamed90]

I'm realist. And you, I see believe everything that is said from the blue screen. You are a dreamer, dear! Go out! Take a look around! Which industry? What has this power created in 20 years? And the new weapons are all from there - the development of the USSR! Specialists will confirm!

[True]

Directly removed from the tongue. This is Seligeoskoe zombie, do not waste time on him. He is too lazy to see around or he does not live in Russia. There is nothing Russian, all that is Soviet, survived by some miracle. Putin is the same as the whole government! Or do you think he’s alone there among the enemies, Yeah, Stirlitz is direct). HIS YELTSYN BROUGHT BY HANDLE! Everything is clear as a white day. The simplest explanation is always true. ps, Why was Putin's elder brother called Albert?

[HAIFISCH]

They built it, but they just stole it, but how, it seems, the woman there ruled everyone, and this is not the worst thing, they will return it, I hope. Another thing is that the officers, the base of the army, simply fired many, eliminated mines, ensigns, they say that they also reduced contract soldiers.

[gizz]

Well, it’s also difficult for our tanks to reach America. And everything will not fit into two Mistral

[Zubr]

Yeah, there is such an article here .. Very entertaining ...
I here shared a link to this article with M. Zadornov ....
Looks like he liked, I look noted with us ...

[not good]

gizz? you have to believe in your government. But what about the plans for the construction of a tunnel under the Bering Strait in Alaska

[rodevaan]

Quote: djon3volta

Quote: fzr1000

Something is somehow very rosy.

but why if something bright and good is written, and even with the facts, then some start to doubt it? I don’t understand the behavior of this. According to your logic, if the Russian army had an 2 tank and an 1 plane, you would be inspired that whether ??? strange logic for many here, judging by the comments that I have been reading for several months, it’s strange ..

- 10 years of shameful hammering of "crap values" into the heads have significantly dulled the confidence of the people in their country and their army. Well, nothing, we will cure this complex among the people. Fortunately, we have Soviet experience from this.

[fzr1000]

What is it? I am not against love for the motherland, for my army. BUT, we need to change outdated weapons to new ones and prepare personnel who will be able to handle them. And this process is going slowly, and also there is a feeling that not everyone at the top understands this, or maybe even interferes.

[HAIFISCH]

As they say, the people and the army are one

[luiswoo]

Quote: djon3volta

but why if something bright and good is written, and even with the facts, then some start to doubt it? I don’t understand the behavior of this. According to your logic, if the Russian army had an 2 tank and an 1 plane, you would be inspired that whether ??? strange logic for many here, judging by the comments that I have been reading for several months, it’s strange ..

What is so rosy in the article? The five-day pounding in Georgia, where it seems that only the presence of the Su-34, of which there are not many now, made it possible to complete the campaign in "record time". And the states, equipment and not only, for the most part, Russian combat readiness. The only thing holding them back is not the desire to play Follout for real. I don’t understand what is rainbow here ...

[Wedmak]

A five-day pounding in Georgia, where it seems that only the presence of the Su-34, of which there are still not many, made it possible to complete the campaign in "record time."

The presence of the Su-34? Two planes decided the fate of the company? Do not make me laugh. Well, they demolished the radar, a little bombed. It was actually a test of a new aircraft in combat conditions. The main work, as always done by ground troops.

[luiswoo]

Where does it say "decided the fate of the company"?

Well, they demolished the radar, a little bombed.

Even so? The conquest of complete superiority in the air, through the removal of air defense (with the formal presence of the enemy air force), in which24 showed their professional unsuitability - is this a secondary quest, and not a primary task?
Well, yes, without normal air support, we would have achieved the same result in a week and a half or two, and not in five days. C bоwith the greatest losses, against the background of an anti-Russian company in the media. Absolutely fun.

[Wedmak]

Five day bathing in Georgia, where it seems that only the presence of the Su-34, of which there are still not many, made it possible to complete the company in "record time".

In fact, they said so.

Even so? The achievement of complete superiority in the air, through the removal of air defense (with the formal presence of the enemy air force), in which the Su-24 showed their professional unsuitability - is this a secondary quest, and not a primary task?

Is the Su-24 unsuitable? Since when did the main front-line bomber of the Russian Air Force become unsuitable?

[luiswoo]

Yeah, since when it’s morally outdated. With losses in 2 units, from air defense of past generations, in a low-intensity conflict with a banana republic. It is difficult to explain otherwise, the appearance of a plainly unflown Su-34, which coped with its tasks perfectly and without loss.

In fact, they said so.

The speed of completion and the fact of completion are two different things.

[Wedmak]

What are you? And I thought there they lost 3 Su-25 and one Tu-22MP. This is the official recognition of the losses of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And I wanted to cheat on independent experts, they don’t know where they get the data from.
In addition, the banana republic was for some reason armed with the Osa and Buk air defense systems, as well as MANPADS. So do not la la la bananas.

[luiswoo]

Quote: Wedmak

What are you? And I thought there they lost 3 Su-25 and one Tu-22MP. This is the official recognition of the losses of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. And I wanted to cheat on independent experts, they don’t know where they get the data from.

Are you tired of dodging and dodging ?:

Rzhavitin Igor Viktorovich
...
In August 2008, he took part in the hostilities in South Ossetia to save the Ossetian population from genocide and force Georgia to peace. During the August 9 2008 raid on Georgian troops in the region of Tskhinval (according to a number of media reports, in the region of Gori), the Su-24M aircraft was shot down by a Buk-M1 Georgian anti-aircraft missile system. The crew ejected at extremely low altitude. Once on the ground, the navigator of the crew, Colonel I.V. Rzhavitin, joined the battle with the Georgian military and died in an unequal battle. Crew commander Colonel I.L. Zinov landed and was captured, returned a few days later by the exchange of prisoners of war to the Russian side.

He was buried in the city of Revda on the Walk of Fame of the city cemetery.

By decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 1349 of September 11 of September 2008 of the year for courage and heroism shown in the performance of a military duty in conditions that pose a risk to life, Colonel Igor V. Rzhavitin was awarded the title of Hero of the Russian Federation (posthumous).

http://warheroes.ru/hero/hero.asp?Hero_id=10216

for some reason, the banana republic was in service with the Osa and Buk air defense missile systems

Frankly, it’s not a squadron of interceptor fighters and not C-300 \ 400 or Petriots. And they were presented good uncles.
By the way, these Buk-M1 jammed and destroyed also Su-34.

[Wedmak]

Are you tired of dodging and dodging ?:

You? Everyone is trying to twist, just to denigrate everything Russian. It all started with the fact that the Su-24M is unsuitable, but now you want to prove it with the help of a hero pilot? Or prove that there were Su-24M? And were shot down? Say, but you said two, where is one more? Yes, and I very much doubt that the Georgians shot him down.

Frankly, it’s not a squadron of interceptor fighters and not the S-300 \ 400 or Petriota.

However, a country using such a SAM in a conflict is no longer banana.

What are you trying to prove to me?

[luiswoo]

Quote: Wedmak

... just to blacken everything Russian ...

Yeah, everything is clear with you. The Su-34 is a state-of-the-art craft that the Ministry of Defense buys in a fire brigade because of a momentary whim, and not because the Su-24 is worthless rubbish in modern warfare. As it might seem after "peace enforcement". And the navigator of the Su-24 died in an unequal battle with the Martians, since nothing else The main front-line bomber of the Russian Air Force cannot knock out. And a naked beggar will become a prosperous lady, if you present her with something to cover the shame.

[Quiet]

and why if something bright and good is written, and even with facts, then some begin to doubt

Eugene !!! Do not pay attention to it !!! Wicked some of them !!!! Apparently they pay little money at work !!!!

[beech]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z76DZO9HiIY...промолчу

[djon3volta]

Quote: beech

keep silent

the video was published in June 2012. Serdyukov is no longer at his post. And the most important question I asked several times is when will the Americans or NATO attack Russia? I personally am 100% sure that never.

[Feanor]

With their own hands, certainly never, well, or until the moment when the army disappears in Russia in general , so I think yes, they are unlikely to ever turn to us.

[Corsair]

Quote from an article: It is air defense that is the main trump card of Russia and its “umbrella”, which will protect the country from possible aggression. *** And under this umbrella we have to work hard for implementation full rearmament programs. You cannot let yourself be taken aback, as in June 41go.

[Gari]

You can even be proud of the complexes

[beech]

Do you think that while the puck, the minister, has changed something on a global scale ... do you think for half a year they recruited 60000 officers and 300000 soldiers?

[aviamed90]

Taburetkin is not at the post - the truth! But his work lives on! ...

[aviamed90]

Taburetkin is not at the post - the truth! But his work lives on! ...

[fzr1000]

Yes, at least put -200, are we now close to conventional arms parity with the United States? Well, let's think so. Very smart and helpful.

[Feanor]

Your right to defend your point of view, in which you are right of course, but the devil is not so terrible as he is painted. I didn’t set a minus to you, because I try to respect the opinions of others Kst. I think this is just as "useful" as to say that everything is gone and one nuclear weapons will save us, we need to strengthen the army and not cry how bad everything is.

[fzr1000]

To be honest, looking at the latest "reforms", it seemed to me that we were already close to the point of no return. Thank God I was smart enough to stop ...

And about "everything is gone" - I didn't say that, it's just "you need to arm yourself more brilliantly, brighter".))

[caprall]

Most likely only at the poison potential of the Soviet era. Our air defense is focal, even if it covers that, it’s Moscow and maybe several centers. I don’t want to fly the rest.

[Atrix]

And if you take into account the pace of developing drones in the United States, then soon this air defense will lose its effectiveness

[Wedmak]

And if you take into account the pace of developing drones in the United States, then soon this air defense will lose its effectiveness

Nonsense is complete ... these drones can fly only where there is no air defense at all !!! Any MANPADS poses a real threat to them to be shot down! Of course, you will have to sweat with the high-altitude ones, fly a little high ... but even the ancient S-75 will get them, if it is necessary.

[leon-iv]

And if you take into account the pace of developing drones in the United States, then soon this air defense will lose its effectiveness
Visiting a fairy tale))))))

[Andrey57]

Unmanned aerial vehicles can only fly there, there is no way to block control channels, and given the fact that even the Iranians put modern drones on one machine using Russian field equipment, it is not a question to fight them. We are not Pakistan

[Andrey57]

It is in vain that you think so, rather do not fly now, but "I do not want"

[Waroc]

Do not despair - in fact, not everything is as bad as it might seem at first glance.
The article has a very true and correct clarification - it is worth considering the balance of forces taking into account the possibility of the introduction of US troops (and, unfortunately, of all NATO) into Russia. At the same time, they physically will not be able to instantly move all the named forces to our borders - we will have time to prepare. Further, no one will ever send 100% of troops and equipment into the war because of the possibility of getting a blow from other countries in the back (it does not matter if they planned this strike from the beginning, or thought up unexpectedly), that is, the United States will have to leave it at home for anyone, I so I think 20-30% of the forces and means. About the delivery of ammunition, fuel, lubricants, food and equipment - it will also be a crap (Europe, of course, podsuetsya, but I'm sure - they will be the first to rake, so that they would not get confused underfoot). With all this, our forces are already in place, in a single fist, we are on the defensive - so the advantages in quantity are immediately nullified and even we have some advantage, it remains only to systematically improve the quality composition, well, the quantity is still worth it pull up.
So - I think we will break through.

PS But still I feel - it will be oh how hard ...

[stariy]

Quote: Waroc

But still I feel - it will be oh how hard ...

And when was it easy? War is always hard work.

[Lopatov]

Not that word. The work is very difficult, but doable.

[almost demobil]

I put a minus to the article, maybe it is from the "caps". At the moment, our armies should not be compared - the time has not come yet, we must endure five years. What kind of air-to-air missiles are we talking about? What should not be taken into account at the stage of development should be based on reality. And about the "trump card" in the face of air defense, well, here I finally can be in shock. Well, they closed the Moscow VO, so what. Everything else breathes on its own and is strictly focal in nature, only large cities and the most significant objects are covered. One can only notice that they began to pay close attention to the military air defense to cover the groupings of troops. In principle, this corresponds to modern ideas about the war, they say, it will be of a local nature - they fought fought, the disputes were resolved and dispersed. But these psi-hopats from the DPRK do not think so and threaten a nuclear strike, they have not read that the war should now be in the form of a local conflict. Therefore, it is necessary to develop all the components of the Armed Forces and not get hung up on one thing.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: almost demobilized

At the moment, our armies are not worth comparing, the time has not come yet

And it is not known when it will do. In general, when I started reading the article, it seemed that the author of the article was a woman, but after reading the article I saw that I was mistaken.
MBT in Russia T-72, this is the first, and so on for the article, you can doubt every paragraph. The first sudden inspection of Shoigu showed that Russia at the moment can put up an army, according to the level of technical development of about the 70s, the rest is currently in pieces, and the re-equipment process is undergoing severe slippage.

[flint1309]

And about the "trump card" in the face of air defense, well, here I finally can be in shock. Well, they closed the Moscow VO, so what. Everything else breathes in vain and is strictly focal in nature, only large cities and the most significant objects are covered ............... Dear, are you representing !? To completely cover RUSSIA with an umbrella? Although probably Yeaaa ... Some village "vasyuki" in the taiga will be bombed and the khan will have to dig a new well (no offense)

[kvodrato]

Amer's gay army

[omsbon]

Quote: kvodrato

Amer's gay army

I agree, in general, it should be borne in mind that every fourth gobbled up food shops in the states, every second can not fight without a psychoanalyst, as well as remember the number of lawyers who, due to their nationality and specialty, will take military registration, and fight shish with oil!

[Corsair]

It is dangerous to underestimate the enemy, but with SUCH "critical mass" of 3,14ndosia we cannot be overcome!

[Black]

Quote: kvodrato

Amer's gay army

So what? Retreat impossible even for tactical purposes?

[fzr1000]

Not all gays are painted like a woman and effeminate. Among them are very well physically prepared. And why did they suddenly decide that they are not aggressive? Look how they fight for their rights. You can learn.

[caprall]

Well, are you sure homosexuals are fighting worse? Or experience, so to speak ...

[wk]

Quote: kvodrato

Amer's gay army

A Macedonian also had an army of fighting ... and he himself was the city of Mes, but that did not stop her from winning .... in general, psychologists say that homosexuals
very united and organized .... marked by aggressive behavior

[edge731]

Well, only the PR of the company - in support of .... ditch, was not enough on this site ....

[Simon]

But in our country, there was no pi .... we won the war in the same way, and nothing prevented us from walking across Europe. The army should be strong in spirit, not pi .... ramie.

[воронов]

And where did you get information about Macedon and his army from the gay magazine, which you apparently are an active subscriber?

[Blad_21617]

want peace get ready for war.

[mda]

Well, who on the site shouted that our army was destroyed?

[Nesvet Nezar]

The same people are shouting that shouted in 1991. And now it turns out that the USSR had no economic prerequisites for collapse. So believe after that to those who disagree. Let it be better Putin than Gorbachev. And the Russian oligarchs, in the light of recent events, have no choice and money will have to be invested in Russia or they will be appropriated by "righteous fighters and democrats" from the West ...

[mansur]

Quote: Nesvet Nezarya

The same people are shouting that shouted in 1991. And now it turns out that the USSR had no economic prerequisites for collapse. So believe after that to those who disagree. Let it be better Putin than Gorbachev. And the Russian oligarchs, in the light of recent events, have no choice and money will have to be invested in Russia or they will be appropriated by "righteous fighters and democrats" from the West ...

Agree

[stariy]

Quote: Nesvet Nezarya

they will have to invest money in Russia or they will appropriate it

Or the scarves will start to give ...

[Ascetic]

Quote: mda-a

Well, who on the site shouted that our army was destroyed?

In the United States, the end of the Cold War also fell back on businesses that were living off the Cold War too, but this is another matter. In general, in the United States they tried to create new types of weapons that would greatly surpass Soviet analogs. As it turned out, the Americans did not succeed in jumping above their heads, only a small number of samples reached the serial launch. Among them, the F-22 aircraft, the Predator drone, the B-2 bomber (it was discontinued due to weak har-ik), the scientific reserve created in the USSR allowed us to keep up with the creation of new models.
In general, the United States also remained mainly armed with the technology of the 80s and they do not plan to replace this equipment (the Abrams tank, for example, is going to serve until 2040). Let us say nothing about the strategic nuclear forces, everything is far from rosy there, especially after 2008. when we started a high-quality upgrade of both SPRN means and strike components on land and sea.
They are fixated on missile defense of dubious effectiveness and on precision weapons.

[Slavka]

I want to clarify a little, the F-22 is the beauty and pride of amers, at the moment it is actually withdrawn from service due to serious design flaws found during flights at supercritical angles of attack (somehow, I don’t remember exactly the wording), all were collected on one air base except for a few teaching units. Those. they can fly, but there is no longer a full-fledged air battle. I mean contact combat with anti-missile maneuvers and so on. About ABM, I think that this is generally by and large a fiction, let's see the range of anti-missiles and the Aegis system ... What kind of threat of strategic nuclear forces are we talking about ??? We do not have a single part of the strategic nuclear forces in a 500-kilometer zone from the border! And at the end of the active section of the trajectory, no modern missile defense system of sworn friends is terrible for our complexes! Also, do not forget about the nightmare of amers and the entire "civilized" world, missile systems "Satan", praise Svarog), some of them are still on the database. In general, neither break off the aggressors nor anything !!!))

[Snegovok]

In principle, it’s about nothing to become, different continents, but not a word about the comparison of the Navy.

[Srgsoap]

Ahead, I agree and the fleet ???

[Hudo]

Quote: SrgSoap

Ahead, I agree and the fleet ???

And the allies of the gamers from NATO ??? And the 5th column of all kinds of liberalists, the right and left-wing activists and other evil spirits ???

[Wedmak]

And the allies of the gamers from NATO ???

This is a dangerous help for us to the Americans.

And the 5th column of all kinds of liberalists, the right and left-wing activists and other evil spirits ???

According to the laws of war, it will go to fertilizers.

[Hudo]

Quote: Wedmak

And the allies of the gamers from NATO ???

This is a dangerous help for us to the Americans.

And the 5th column of all kinds of liberalists, the right and left-wing activists and other evil spirits ???

According to the laws of war, it will go to fertilizers.

No fertilizer will come out of this rubbish. They, like hazardous nuclear waste, must be kept in a sealed storage for unlimited time!

[aviamed90]

And who will launch this 5 column for fertilizer? You?

[Wedmak]

And who will launch this 5 column for fertilizer? You?

You know, sometimes I really want to put my hand out myself, so that these people either get out of our country or send them to fertilizers.

[Frunze]

The second number in the machine gun calculation, take it, I quickly fill the tape (with a machine even faster, spare parts to the shore).

[Simon]

Do not worry, and then catch up.

[not good]

The fleet when working near the shore has much greater potential than when crossing the sea, especially since the amers will have to carry a whole bunch of transports and not only military ones with them. To provide even such air defense missions in the 200 mile zone from our shore is not a lift, but submarines come off in full, add coastal missile systems and aircraft with the same anti-ship missiles, plus a limited number of landing sites, and the ability to prepare for coastal defense. In short, you can safely put crosses in place of the masts. And the main thing is not to break Transib, otherwise they won’t even reach the Urals China is still potentially more dangerous

[max-02215]

We look the wrong way, the Americans will continue to crap around the corner, make color revolutions, create all kinds of caliphates and all against us, that would weaken, destabilize us, but they won’t go for an open clash, because they will get it in the face. It’s easier to continue to buy our bureaucrats and oligarchs — it will cost much cheaper and more efficiently — 90 years have shown it.
But the "type" ally China is more than real danger, look at how fast it is building up arms and an army, do you really believe that you are going to fight with America or Japan, but I beg you, what sense is it! What will they get there? Everything has long been mined and eaten there. And our Far East and Siberia, this is a real and tasty goal, and, as in Damansky, it will not work. Even if they have (although not a fact) their weapons are somewhat weaker, but they can afford losses at least 1:10, at least 1: 100, for one of our aircraft 10 or more of their own, well, etc. Their human resources are not limited, the industry is experiencing rapid growth, technologies are being stolen, so that in my opinion China is the most dangerous direction (By the way, there was a pact with Hitler and also a "type" ally .....)

[Slavka]

Totally agree with you!!! China is a real threat. There is such a thing as a glut of a system (air defense, missile defense, any), so enti gavriki can oversaturated our defense very quickly. They are really darkness))). It is necessary to the East of all Tornadoes, Hurricanes, etc. more in number and with decent ammunition!)

[djon3volta]

Quote: Snegovok

but not a word about the comparison of the Navy.

and what, are aircraft carriers able to sail on the earth? well, they will sail from the north or from the far east, then what? They’ll just moor and they won’t do anything, right? Or will they go on asphalt to Moscow?

[Snegovok]

Are cruise missiles out of fashion now, or do they hit 20 km?

[Simon]

So in the north there is ice, but there are no icebreakers with aircraft carrier.

[soul]

Yes, and it was necessary to compare the army of Russia and NATO as a whole. Although I would be strengthening defense against China at the moment, it is necessary to compare with it.

[Samaritan]

Well: the US Navy - 286 warships, the Russian Navy - 196 ships in 2011
USSR: 1055 against 465 among amers 1945-1991
I think about quality and you know without me!
Looking forward to a detailed report!

[Krasnoyarsk]

There will be no war with the states, for neither the Russian Federation nor the United States will risk it.

[Feanor]

But we don’t really need them, we’ve eat our own territory with resources, at least it’s better than to climb somewhere, to develop our Far East and Siberia.

[Skavron]

Quote: feanor

at least you eat your territory with resources, it’s better than climbing somewhere, developing your Far East with Siberia.

you said correctly
but some commentators may disagree with you

[Dmitry_2013]

In addition to military force, it is still necessary to take into account the logistics capabilities of countries. Continents are different And for example, to meet our t 90 with their abrams in sufficient quantities will have to sweat a lot
But the territory is not considered occupied until infantry, and tanks, respectively, have passed through it.

[commander]

And the tanks also need to be refueled, charged, serviced, and the infantry is not iron, too, wants to eat. And if they destroy our army, we have partisans. It is cheaper for the Americans to buy our 'wealth' from us than to conquer.

[JonnyT]

It makes no sense to compare the US army and Russia. In the event of a one-on-one conflict, no one will fight! NATO against Russia, Belarus and parts of Ukraine.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Kazakhstan has forgotten. Vryatli they will stay away. You can’t rely on the Armenians in fact, just like the Ukrainians, so you’ll have to fight in three. Well, at least God loves the trinity.

[gas]

Yes, Kazakhs need more than anyone else!))

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

And they will not have much choice if they drown us, then they will go the next step.

[Nesvet Nezar]

Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine. And the Hutsuls from western Ukraine and the local elite of the Carpathians are still wars))) they will shoot everyone in the back. Moreover, the Hutsuls of Tyagnibokovets will be shot even faster than anyone, so that they can appropriate their apartments and property in Lviv))))

[Hudo]

Quote: Nesvet Nezarya

Ukrainians are Russians living in Ukraine

More than 20 years of Russophobia and brainwashing of young people have not passed without a trace, and the more westward, the more depressing the picture.
With the indulgence, and even with the direct support of the authorities, the dirty Nazism of the Bandera model takes root. The authorities, both in Kiev and in a number of regions, use the Nazis in their political multi-ways, fill their own pockets while losing even the instinct of self-preservation.

[Hudo]

Mr. minus-bearer, take off your pink glasses and admire how the fascist scum goes wild with impunity. And around them - the police are standing by the wall so that people do not tear them to shreds. And the police are packing in a cage, not at all Natsik, but just the opposite.

http://nnm.ru/blogs/shamba/fashisty-v-odesse/

http://censor.net.ua/news/237042/vmesto_russkogo_marsha_svoboda_poobeschala_ustr

oit_v_nikolaeve_russkiyi_farsh

http://goldnike-777.blogspot.com/2012/11/blog-post_25.html

[djon3volta]

we can connect the DPRK if that! they won what a super patriotism, look on TV, there, if their announcer shouts the US Army in his pants)))

[crocodile25]

Well, at the end, at least something was encouragingly written, but everything is bad, everything is asked .... whether, well, of course, not everything is as we would like, but still not a bad article plus.

[Atrix]

They wrote what you wanted to hear, but did not appreciate the real situation. Russia is very far from conventional weapons to the United States, and if we take into account the NATO countries, even more so. I don’t see anything good in cap-making, it is better to soberly assess your strength

[crocodile25]

Look at your flag then say something at home;

[Yeraz]

Well, there is a comparison and the emphasis is that the United States will attack. And if it is a neutral country? Suppose Syria. It would be interesting to compare how the situation would be there. Logistics of the USA and the Russian Federation, who will transfer faster, will provide all that. And so the United States has the ability to attack the Russian Federation, the Russian Federation is more limited in this, but the United States will break a tooth. But the war between nuclear countries is unbelievable in itself. But their collisions on foreign territory is a more interesting thing to discuss.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

The outcome of the war somewhere in other people's fuck ... yah will depend on the logical possibilities. And they are unimportant.

[Podojdi]

We have trouble with transport. The United States has much more transporters, this also applies to aircraft and ships. In addition, NATO will immediately help them. The war in Syria is hopeless, IMHO.

[silver_roman]

a sensible article on the topic: "Let's think, what if ....!". although everyone understands, and the author himself emphasizes this, that this cannot be!
In general, such topics have repeatedly appeared here and it seems to me that they do not reflect reality and, in principle, do not say anything. in case of war, the allies will play a huge role. It all depends on which side the Chinese, Indians will take, and this is already half the planet.

It is much easier for adversaries to arm the Caucasus, pissed off all over the world, and set him against the Russian Federation. than compete with our air defense, air force, etc.
They are too linky. not used to bear losses, tk. ALWAYS practically fought with the wrong hands when they reached the right conclusions in Korea and Vietnam.

[Nesvet Nezar]

With the Caucasus, everything is simple. We do not feel them our own, and they do not feel that they are at home. It was the same with Azerbaijanis in the 80s and 90s. Is there a problem with Azeris now? But they haven’t gone anywhere. They live among us. After the separation of Azerbaijan, they just realized that now Russia is their home and began to abide by the rules. Federalism in this context makes it difficult for citizens to realize that Russia is their home and must behave accordingly. While they think that their home is Chechnya or Dagestan, they will drizzle as if they had come to visit. The youth is noisy, but the youth is always and at all violent. Always fought district by district and everyone liked everything. And now include the nat sign. It’s bad that cowards participate in fights and carry knives and injuries with them. I think that if Chechnya were the Grozny region, and Dagestan was Makhachkala, then all this would be different. Who thinks what, write in a personal - I want to know an opinion. Thanks in advance.

[Slevinst]

I had such a question, article plus, but in terms of the number of people who are able to fight, I don’t think that the United States has such an advantage, I read on the same site not so long ago that in the United States there’s no one to call up for the army, everyone who is overweight is physically fit they won’t be able to fight, but if you have to defend the country like during WWII, at least half of the population will take up arms here, a guerrilla movement will begin until the people surrender they can defeat, and nuclear weapons haven’t gone anywhere and our submarines

[Cosmonaut]

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[Cosmonaut]

Well something like that...

[ben05]

Definitely a plus.

[serzhserzh86]

face, or rather RYE, and more precisely RYLO, of the American army ...

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

No need for the fact that in the states all the men are vital, and the women are terrible. This shit is getting shorter. Do not underestimate them. There will be a war in all of them when you want to live as you like.

[Slevinst]

in the event they attack us, we will have to splurge, and here the main inner core of each person individually and, accordingly, leaders, a person who defends himself emotionally is more ready for death than an attacker, and therefore more liberated, I think this core is much stronger than theirs

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

in the event they attack us, we will have to splurge, and here the main inner core of each person individually and, accordingly, leaders, a person who defends himself emotionally is more ready for death than an attacker, and therefore more liberated, I think this core is much stronger than theirs

You cannot go far on one moral core. It is necessary to create a qualified mob reserve. And to join people in sports, plus the law on weapons, to do something so that people would have at least some idea about weapons.

[leon-iv]

Well, as if obesity in 70% of the population is a medical fact that was recently reported to a woman.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

obesity in 70% of the population is a medical fact

I am a Danish prince Firstly, obesity is different, it is not helpful that a person will be too full outwardly. Secondly, they simply begged for money for health care. They have there now just cutting costs, so a "fact" turned up

[silver_roman]

what's the difference what obesity ??? Let's say cholesterol: some kind of blood clot will come off on the march, when it is necessary not to drive in a hammer, but to stomp 20 kilometers with his feet. And there is no more "super patriot who does not shout Uryai, but does his job in silence" !!!

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

let's say cholesterol: some blood clot comes off on the march

You confuse obesity and thrombosis.

[silver_roman]

yes. here I got a little confused. but still cholesterol is also not a pleasant thing.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

cholesterol is also not a pleasant thing.

The bullet does not affect the flight and okay.

[Slavka]

Little is affected by the flight of a bullet at all))), neither the opponent’s personal coolness, nor his size, nor the presence of a rod or its absence ... It would be someone to release this bullet! We have even recently gotten messy with patriotic training !!! Yes, and with love for a healthy lifestyle, too, trouble !!! When you come to the military commissariat for the next commission, there are healthy men with pink ruffles, and on the opposite to the wall there are a bunch of pale suffocates that support each other)), but the trouble is that healthy men are reserve officers and there are few of them from the total mass of suffocates - draftees!

[leon-iv]

First, obesity is different, it is not noticeable that a person will be very full outwardly.
Here I agree, because 175 itself is height and weight is 94-95 kg but there is no stomach and no one is expected.
BUT the problem of obesity in the US is huge. And this is confirmed by all colleagues from the United States with whom I work. Moreover, more fat among girls, especially blacks.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Obesity is certainly a problem, but not 70% of the population. By the way, remember the saying "while the fat one dries, the thin one already dries up."

[silver_roman]

This shit is getting shorter.

Why do you think so???? amers themselves confirm this!
And I agree with Slevinst. They are not used to seeing the guts of comrades under the caterpillars of enemy tanks. or the severed heads of those with whom they fought yesterday. And our men all went through this. so the demoralization aspect is very large. if the bottom of the contingent in Afghanistan and Iraq sit on drugs or antidepressants. He also talks about something. And they are fighting for green papers, and not for their homeland. And many emigrants for citizenship. But no one will die for it.

Of course, it’s hard to say anything, but I don’t believe in the invincible US army!

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Why do you think so???? amers themselves confirm this!

I have already answered this above.

And I agree with Slevinst. They are not used to seeing the guts of comrades under the caterpillars of enemy tanks. or the severed heads of those with whom they fought yesterday. And our men all went through this.

Whose are yours? I don’t remember that the "valiant Ukrainian army" fought somewhere seriously and harshly, with their heads and guts cut off.

if the bottom of the contingent in Afghanistan and Iraq sit on drugs or antidepressants.

Where does infa come from? OBS?

And they are fighting for green papers, and not for their homeland

Why do you think so? Amer is much more patriotic than some of our citizens. How can it be that our homeland is not right, but it is our homeland. Amer therefore war principle.

.A many emigrants for citizenship.

Fact.

But no one will die for it.

Controversial issue.

Of course it’s hard to say anything

The only thing I agree with.

but I don’t believe in the invincible US army!

And I do not believe, but do not underestimate them. I repeat once again ... cancer is worse than a traitor. But real patriotism is not just screaming, but silently doing one’s job and taking note constructive criticism.

[silver_roman]

Whose are yours? I don’t remember that the "valiant Ukrainian army" fought somewhere seriously and harshly, with their heads and guts cut off.

And if I had a Colombian ip address, would you then be thinking about Colombian brawls ???
Yes, I live in Kiev, but I have lived half my life in Russia. And if you are a little tense up your memory, then remember that not only native Russians fought in Afghanistan. There, dushmans of the head were cut off not selectively.

if the bottom of the contingent in Afghanistan and Iraq sit on drugs or antidepressants.

Statistics were cited and laid out on this portal. Of course, you can dispute, like everything else. But I am more inclined to believe it than not to believe. Also for many reasons.

Controversial issue.

Those. Do you think that some Mexican will rush to the machine gun, covering up the same Mexicans to get citizenship ??? not, of course there are exceptions, but such decisions are usually made almost instinctively ....

but don't underestimate them

I personally do not underestimate them.

constructive criticism.

It's one thing to criticize your own people, it's another thing to try to "make excuses" for the "fat" ones. But I understand your idea.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

And if I had a Colombian ip address, would you then be thinking about Colombian brawls ???
Yes, I live in Kiev, but I have lived half my life in Russia. And if you are a little tense up your memory, then remember that not only native Russians fought in Afghanistan. There, dushmans of the head were cut off not selectively.

No offense, but I don't trust the Ukrainians too cunning you guys. When you are profitable you are "brothers", and so are the Europeans. So your passage doesn't tell me anything.

Statistics were cited and laid out on this portal. Of course, you can dispute, like everything else. But I am more inclined to believe it than not to believe. Also for many reasons.

It depends on what drugs mean. If any stimulants or substances to relieve stress, then yes. If you suddenly assume that the amers are massively sitting on the needle, then I will never believe in it.

Those. Do you think that some Mexican will rush to the machine gun, covering up the same Mexicans to get citizenship ??? not, of course there are exceptions, but such decisions are usually made almost instinctively ....

I'm talking about ordinary US citizens. And they will believe. In 2005, the Delta workers went into the bayonet to the pillboxes and didn’t wind a snot on their fists.

It's one thing to criticize your own people, it's another thing to try to "make excuses" for the "fat" ones. But I understand your idea.

I don’t rip your ass out or defend them. I just do not want to repeat 41 years. When "we will vovat on foreign territory." As a result, our grandfathers stopped German tanks with their bare hands.

[silver_roman]

No offense, but I don't trust the Ukrainians too cunning you guys. When you are profitable you are "brothers", and so are the Europeans. So your passage doesn't tell me anything.

I agree to all 100. I have Russian citizenship. just for certain reasons I ended up here. And I myself can not stand the Ukrainians. painfully strong propaganda against the Russian Federation is here.

amers are massively sitting on the needle then I will never believe it.

not, of course, if they sit on the needle, then units. such a slackness in the army will not be tolerated. here the fact is different: that just people can not withstand those loads or those events. although they were essentially fighting the partisans and they did not see bloody mass scenes. I’m talking about the moral component.

In 2005, the Delta workers went into the bayonet to the pillboxes and didn’t wind a snot on their fists.

Delta, like cats, rangers are the elite. if they also "caved in", the conversation would not make sense at all. besides, they probably went under the cover of a specific one. and art supported, and most likely aviation.

I just do not want to repeat 41 years. When "we will vovat on foreign territory." As a result, our grandfathers stopped German tanks with their bare hands.

I agree with this. Well, here you just have to rely on command. at 41, many brilliant military leaders fell under the trunk. But again, I will not argue about this (why it happened), because too many unknown (secret) moments.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

not, of course, if they sit on the needle, then units. such a slackness in the army will not be tolerated. here the fact is different: that just people can not withstand those loads or those events. although they were essentially fighting the partisans and they did not see bloody mass scenes. I’m talking about the moral component.

All the same, constant pressure, shelling, explosions and so on. This and not all of us will stand.

Delta, like cats, rangers are the elite. if they also "caved in", the conversation would not make sense at all. besides, they probably went under the cover of a specific one. and art supported, and most likely aviation.

If specifically about this case, then everything happened because of the criminal command. the paradox is that they fired precisely in the bayonet without even heavy weapons. On land that neither artillery nor aviation have been cultivated. In general, who in that attack then survived in hand-to-hand fighting with spirits. Pateri at amers then were hellish. So, not only our command sometimes stupid. And then their Matrosovs appeared at them. So unfortunately amers have eggs. Maybe not everyone, but there is.
And unfortunately this is not the only case of heroism among them.

[Lopatov]

And I am for the Ukrainians "whom you want to tear." You just haven't encountered them much.

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

I'm talking about ordinary US citizens. And they will believe. In 2005, the Delta workers went into the bayonet to the pillboxes and didn’t wind a snot on their fists.

Here I agree. Some consider the US Army a weak pederasts who are unable to fight as an adult. But this is a myth, and harmful.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

And I am for the Ukrainians "whom you want to tear." You just haven't encountered them much.

Faced to my regret. That is why they, in addition to condescending indifference and contempt, do not cause anything else.

[silver_roman]

"whom I will tear up"

Faced to my regret. That is why they, in addition to condescending indifference and contempt, do not cause anything else.

this is the problem that someone is faced with complete idiots. who carried nonsense about the independence and integration with the West and you draw conclusions after such meetings about the whole people. This is obviously wrong. Among my acquaintances there are many people who, in the event of a war against the Russian Federation, would go boldly to fight, because they do not draw borders between the Russian Federation and Ukraine. We have a criminal in power in general - proFFesor ... what do you expect from him? adequacy?

Of course, your attitude is logical, naturally let’s say so. It’s simple that’s what Mr. Zbegnev Bzezhinsky wanted to achieve from us (you’ll pronounce the horse-radish and write it correctly, * in one word).

[nickname 1 and 2]

Quote: silver_roman

We have a criminal in power in general - proFFesor ... what do you expect from him?

You = "then diarrhea, then scrofula!" - the fact of the matter is that you will never find a travel owner. And in the Rada - why did they "grab" the seats? why don't they change?

So many years and the "comedy" does not stop in the Rada. And there is no hope for another scenario!

[silver_roman]

I was hoping that Vitalik Klitschko would turn a couple of noses into porridge, then they would become calmer ... no, he. You see, he always screams so as not to provoke him.
For example, I work in a law firm and you have no idea what horror is happening in the courts. I'm not even talking about basic justice. HIS STUPID NOT !!!

Give Putin a little time, maybe it will be good

[Lopatov]

You are not right.

[Kaa]

Quote: Spade

Some consider the US Army a weak pederast,

I have never liked either "urrya-patriots" or "all-perpetrators". The army is strong, professional, it will only argue, but about the fighting spirit - they are not "weak", but, on the contrary, VERY STRONG homosexuals, and what kind of coordination they will have in a combat situation - a question. "The level of suicides, by the way, among veterans of local and global conflicts in the United States has reached frightening heights - 150 cases a year, one every other day. For women, military service has been available since 1978. It was then that the beautiful half of humanity in uniform was equalized in rights Sexual abuse scandals have rocked the US Army all these years. In recent years, it is taking on signs of an epidemic. About 20 percent of all former female military personnel have been sexually abused during their service. That is, one in five! And this is not about the so-called sexual harassment, namely about violence. 80 percent of victims of violence do not report it ..500 thousand women were raped during the time that has passed since the military-gender revolution, as a result of which women in the USA were allowed to serve on equal terms with men.
The New York Times, citing the Pentagon, reports that In 2011, 22800 violent crimes of a sexual nature were committed in the US Army, for illustration, 62 per day! We have the level of ordinary "hazing" at least twice as low.Recently, by the way, hearings on sexual violence in the army took place in the personnel subcommittee of the military committee of the US Senate. And there was another shocking figure announced - 56 percent of the victims of sexual assault in the army are men. When the troops are manned according to the mandatory draft principle, the whole section of society falls into the unit, in which the percentage of thugs differs little from a citizen. In a mercenary army, the proportions are disadvantageously different. And given that through the service of Uncle Sam, immigrants have the opportunity to obtain US citizenship, the qualitative composition of the US Armed Forces has also changed significantly in recent years. As a result, divisions clash between representatives of several mental “species” at once - poor, but not losing hope for a good education of Americans, romantics inspired by military propaganda, ideological brutal “dogs of war” and poorly educated, without moral “troubles” of “migrant workers”. As a rule, the first two “species” become victims of violence .http: //www.kp.ru/daily/26052/2964311/
Since no one has refuted the thesis that "cadres decide everything", the question with what "fighting spirit" will serve the most modern equipment "dropped" remains open ...

[fzr1000]

In the photo, the guys from GI are not bad with physical training. Although, hints of the beginnings of obesity are visible.

[leon-iv]

but the funny thing is that such overfed broilers in the army do not need nafig. All the pros that I saw in our army and police are lean, medium height. Only machine gunners stand out.
PS if you are talking about obesity from a comrade to the right of the heroine, then not all of them have presses from classes that become involved in many people, including my outward growth.

[fzr1000]

They look more like some heavyweight or heavyweight boxers or wrestlers. As for broilers, I completely agree, but we don’t know what kind of troops this is. Maybe Hercules?

[Wedmak]

but we don’t know what kind of troops this is. Maybe Hercules?

I’m even afraid to imagine what weapons they have. Though...

[leon-iv]

Glory to the emperor !!!

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Only to our emperor

[cosmos111]

Quote: Wedmak

what weapons they have. Although..

The witcher tells you that you aren’t tired of cheers to carry patriotic nonsense. You yourself were in the army, it seems that no
Exoskeletons make it easier for a soldier to deliver ammunition especially in the mountains
When you have a hump of VK and a bronik.

The Witcher is new technology

[leon-iv]

The Witcher is new technology
It’s a pity there is no Mechanic, he would explain to you what’s what. What is an exoskeleton and what does it eat with.
Briefly creating such a mechanism is not a problem; the whole question is in the energy source. Do you have a compact source?

[Wedmak]

YY is this ???? This is a prototype! It works from the outlet, any damage to the wires, tubes, hydraulic actuators .... and a mustache, you will remain there to lie with your exoskeleton and cargo.
I do not argue, it starts with this, but so far, there is no talk of any real application!

[Samaritan]

Guys You’ve overeaten too much)))) You don’t mind that Demi Moore is in front of him))))
And if on a secondary topic, then on our beaches, pot-bellied pink-cheeked guys will be many times more !!!

[Gari]

Guys and what it is then
and how to run with him in the mountains and where to get a socket

[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

Quote: Kaa

The army is strong, professional, it will only argue, but about the fighting spirit - they are not "weak", but, on the contrary, VERY STRONG homosexuals, and what kind of coordination they will have in a combat situation - a question.

Quote: Kaa

Since no one has refuted the thesis that "cadres decide everything", the question with what "fighting spirit" will serve the most modern equipment "dropped" remains open ...

Kaa, for the first time in a year I did not understand your idea.
So "VERY STRONG homosexuals" or is everything in question?

[Kaa]

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

"VERY STRONG homosexuals"

I meant "strong in homosexuality and rape" to fanaticism. This implies, firstly, what scum will have to deal with, in which case, and secondly, those who have been sexually assaulted, it is likely that they will not hesitate to put a store or two in the back of the offender in a combat situation ... unforgettable memories. They already have some kind of firearms showdown in the US at their bases ... in peacetime ...

[Alex Marsh]

I'm wondering if there are all "homosexuals" in the US army, then who then sticks to women, you wrote out the whole statistics, I'm looking)

[Batman]

But this is a myth

when they fight in an adult way, then there will be a myth.

[gas]

Amendment, our grandfathers passed, and veterans of the Afghan and Chechen wars, but the majority of the population did not see. Let them have a lot of fat, but we also have all sorts of junkies (mortality 30 thousand per year), alcoholics, etc.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

but we also have all sorts of junkies (mortality 30 thousand per year), alcoholics, etc.

But this is a long-standing myth. Although there is a problem for a loved one.

[Atrix]

Quote: silver_roman

x our

Patriotism in the USA is much stronger than in the countries of the former USSR. I don’t even want to argue, how often do you fly your country’s flag on the street ?

[Wedmak]

I don’t even want to argue, how often do you fly your country's flag on the street?

I’ll get in ... But what, the presence of a flag on the balcony automatically increases my patriotism? Yes, Americans love and are proud of their country. But don’t forget why .... their media work like a big brainwasher - everything is the best with them, they are a great nation (nation ?? remember history .. khe-khe ..), a great country ... AND NOTHING about other countries. .. What do they know about Russia? Bear, frost, vodka, balalaika?

[Atrix]

Quote: Wedmak

I don’t even want to argue, how often do you fly your country's flag on the street?

I’ll get in ... But what, the presence of a flag on the balcony automatically increases my patriotism? Yes, Americans love and are proud of their country. But don’t forget why .... their media work like a big brainwasher - everything is the best with them, they are a great nation (nation ?? remember history .. khe-khe ..), a great country ... AND NOTHING about other countries. .. What do they know about Russia? Bear, frost, vodka, balalaika?

Well, what difference does it make that they know about Russia, they care about their own country. Many do not even know where this Russia is. For them, the center of the earth is the United States and they will die for their rights and their land.

[Wedmak]

For them, the center of the earth is the United States and they will die for their rights and their land.

Perhaps I’ll agree with this ... for my land. But we are not going to attack anyone. And for some reason, they climb on us from all sides, by all means. In addition to power, because they know that in this case they can get in the teeth. And it hurts.
And if you hypothetically imagine the American invasion of Russia ... these patriots will stay at home and wait for their cities to become ashes. So what, what, and Russian nuclear missiles scared them enough.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Well, what difference does it make that they know about Russia, they care about their own country. Many do not even know where this Russia is. For them, the center of the earth is the United States and they will die for their rights and their land.

Russia will not attack the states, so they can put their desire to die for their country in their ass.

[leon-iv]

Yes, and 90% of Omerikachekugov also do not want to fight, especially where you can get for soup

[Kaa]

Quote: Atrix

and they will die for their rights and their land

It’s a sacred cause for its own, but the article is about confrontation with Russia ... We will not be able to land troops in Alaska or California, so they are preparing to fight in any way, on ANOTHER land ...

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Patriotism in the USA is much stronger than in the countries of the former USSR. I don’t even want to argue, how often do you fly your country's flag on the street?

Patriotism is not a flag on the front lawn (by the way, I have my own rfash tricolor in front of the entrance). Patriotism is when you plow like a wolf so that your country is the best, when you go to some kind of fuck ... to fight to defend its interests. And do not poke yourself in the chest, I'm a patriot. So he and we are high. Just unlike amers, for us it is so sacred and so personal almost intimate that in hearing we try not to talk about it.

[silver_roman]

Just unlike amers, for us it is so sacred and so personal almost intimate that in hearing we try not to talk about it.

To the point.

[ben05]

To the point said.

[Slavka]

I could not put a plus, BUT, everything is correctly said !!!

[silver_roman]

patriotism is characterized not by flags and their display, but by real actions related to the defense of the Motherland.
I can run for the loot with the flag of Azerbaijan and glorify the karan, but it will never make me a patriot of Azerbaijan and a follower of Islam.

[ben05]

Well, I have a small flag hanging at work in a store, but what is necessary on the street?

[Navy7981]

I absolutely agree with you if you want to win - respect the enemy !!!

[Lopatov]

Tales of the Vienna Forest. Thanks to a more liberal policy in the field of gun ownership, the Americans still have higher quality draft troops. And it’s worth considering.

They are afraid of the power of arms in the hands of the population; it is possible to develop a network of shooting clubs. Remember how it was under Stalin.
On the one hand, the state controlled citizens more tightly than it does now, on the other hand, the opportunities for the population to simply practice shooting were much higher.
No one has yet investigated the question of how much Osoaviahim helped us defeat during the Great Patriotic War. But it would be worth it.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

I also think so, even if a citizen owns a machine gun, but at the same time tighten the cantrol. And the trunk so that it was strictly in the club, or else. And the sports system must be revived so that in every yard there is a skating rink, a rocking chair, etc. Here in Krasnoyarsk, the start was given to the building of multifunctional gyms of walking accessibility. And so it is necessary everywhere.

[silver_roman]

I agree. Firstly, they really have a problem with the size of the army and its replenishment, or rather, with physical training in the army. I also read an article that they constantly underestimate the minimum requirements for passing standards. It seems that they even allocated 100500 billion trillion as usual. money to develop a substance. absorbable fat. perhaps nonsense, but nevertheless rumors do not form from scratch.

[Lopatov]

And our army has eternal problems with dystrophy of draftees. Think it's better?

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

And our army has eternal problems with dystrophy of draftees. Think it's better?

Well, most dystrophics by the end of the service become normal fighters. Fortunately, dystrophic is simple enough to feed, pump and train everything. But the fact that a special approach is needed for such a fighter and more time is spent on training is a fact.

[Lopatov]

If the commanders are normal.

Damn, the whole regiment was watching my "trips to the chipok". I drove the whole battery. With his own money earned in a cafe by a private security guard. Cool?

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Damn it when it was. I served 2010-2011. They simply fed for slaughter. Really how pigs were fed. We had such hogs there later without laughing and you will not remember. The necks were like bulls.

[MakSim51ru]

Well, damn it, and the signalmen in Grozny in 96, a dog devoured from hunger

[silver_roman]

Yes, there is one. But still, the situation is changing. and in this I am not unfounded. although there isn’t much variety in nutrition, but still they don’t die of hunger.

I’m already urging you not to forget that the Russian Federation is only getting on its feet. And many already want to see parity with America. This is at least naive. I personally am generally glad. that everything is going the way it is. Of course it could be better ...

[nickname 1 and 2]

Quote: Spade

problems with dystrophy of recruits.

Muscle mass deficiency! - these are more likely genetic problems.
This is for those who did not have the means to pay off the call and they did not have the means for fitness!

And so those who go to swing in fitness are normal guys.
And who does not swing he is in the yard on the crossbeams (horizontal bars) of the TRP is gaining norms.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Slevinst

... not so long ago I read on the same site that in the United States there is no one to call up for the army, all those who are overweight, by physical condition simply can’t fight, ...

Right. But, not only because of physical condition :))
More on intellectual development and the psyche. Unfortunately, I don’t remember which American edition I read (last fall was): //
U.S. Army specialists themselves estimate the U.S. mobility potential almost half as low - at 23-25 ​​million.

[not good]

Interestingly. And today our potential is what, someone has evaluated.

[Slavka]

Moreover, in the amerovskoy army physical training is almost completely nullified, the main combat training takes place in computer classes on simulators. Real combat training takes place less often than in our regular units. Moreover, even pregnant women are now being taken into the army ... The question with whom should we fight ??? I think in the near future there will be several parts of the electronic warfare along our border, no one crawled through it))))

[Smol79]

American F-22, F-35 are not finalized, so they can not be considered combat-ready.

[silver_roman]

The raptor is more or less. But f35 is really stuck in the rectum.

[B_KypTke]

And at the raptor in the photo, the keels are not all-turning nifig.
How is it that they without a gravitsapy are driving their pepelats out of the garage .. a mess.

[misterwulf]

And Russia has never fought directly with states. In all major conflicts, they were allies. Paradoxically, there is no other major power in relation to Russia. They even fought with England 1 time (in Crimea) and in the world were allies. The traditional enemies of Russia are the continental countries of Europe (primarily Germany and Poland), Turkey and Japan.

[Lopatov]

We fought. In times of Civil and intervention. True, then the United States was not a particularly powerful state.

[Slevinst]

Well, yes, supposedly, the Allies, when they can take advantage and understand that if they trample against, then the unpredictable Russian people, even in a utopian situation, can win, as has happened more than once

[Slevinst]

Yes, the war of Russia from the United States is, in principle, unbelievable, against this background, a war with aliens is more likely, the interest would be whether our equipment (of the whole world) could fight with their technologies? hardly anyone knows the answer to this question. there would be a very interesting situation, our whole planet could unite against a common enemy and, as it were, our whole world would be redrawn, an insignificant chink in the universe

[WWW.budanov]

Most importantly, NOT the first hours or minutes of the war, but the following months ... Namely, PATRIOTISM and the PRODUCTS of survival. Therefore, armament until 2020 will solve the issue, and the upbringing of DEFENDERS, although better (!) Than with Amers, BUT is weak!
(old teacher)

[leon-iv]

We again consider spheroconin.

[understudy]

Very sly statistics. We can say harmful. In the event of a conflict, will only Russia and the United States fight? Behind the US is all NATO and other small hangers-on. And we have? Belarus, which is kicked at every opportunity, starting from the magazine and ending with our leadership? All the rest of the "commonwealth" will instantly scatter over the independent-khan minks.
From "history" ... the frog tried to swell to the size of an ox. The result is known.
This I mean that it is not fucking to calm down with the quantitative parameters of the technique, which is very "over-aged" and which simply rusts through the forests. Bo, thanks to the feldmebel, there was no one to serve her.
Okay, let's say the equipment moves, but what are we going to shoot with? Artillery depots burned like sparklers for the New Year, the "patrons" howl loudly that ammunition cannot do.
In general, not everything is so smooth and sweet as in the author’s popular picture.

[Slevinst]

I agree, but there is one thing, but under China and India, a big question can be posed, on the one hand they don’t like the United States, and there would be a great chance to end these mumi once and for all, but on the other hand, China would not be hindered by new territories and Russia as since it borders with it, I mean that if China enters on someone’s side, it’s not enough for an opponent, if it tramples against the United States as well, then no NATO will help

[understudy]

I, frankly speaking, go nuts from the strategic plans of the deliters ... where will China and India, for example, be trampled on, besides the nearby territorial neighbors ??? Well, only if into space. Bo with its development they have the same chances as with conducting large-scale naval battles.

[Slevinst]

and add that mobilize the population and factories and ammunition will at least chew at an accelerated pace

[timhelmet]

The alignment of this (humor):
The conflict began> amers are shoveling away from us in full (well, we are Russian !!!)> they have a need to call in manpower (fresh meat)> their military registration and enlistment offices (recruits or whatever) mobilize the male population> and then OPANKI! some fat and blue (well, slogans in the style: "Peter, could you give me my lipstick, otherwise I'm in some kind of unpainted tank")> And Peter, meanwhile, got stuck in Abrams' hatch ...

Yes, with whom is there to fight? They are as afraid of us as they are. And here we are them - HRENOS two !!! So for ... nastuchim - Mama Do not Cry!

[Nayhas]

This is not analysis, but idle talk. We do not have a common land border with the United States to conduct full-scale combat operations involving thousands of tanks and a million-strong army. Comparing aviation, the author only touched on the number. absolutely not touching the quality issues, "282 - MiG-29, 252 - MiG-31, 400 - Su-27" have not gone through ANY MODERNIZATION since its creation! They remained at the level of the 80s of the last century, they cannot use those modern V-V missiles whose qualities the author described. Further, in general, I slipped on the topic "but we will still have ...", which, frankly, if applied, then please for both countries. The author also did not mention that of the above aircraft, only the MiG-31 has equipment for refueling in the air, and in the USA ALL fighters have such equipment. The author casually referred to the secrecy of information about the number of combat aircraft, only he either does not understand or does not guess that this is due to the fact that the real number of aircraft capable of taking off will be much lower than the author cites in his article. Moreover, all MiG-29s are expected to be written off in the near future (except for thirty MiG-29SMT), due to extreme wear and tear and resource depletion, the Ministry of Defense does not plan to modernize them, as announced in 2011. Of the available number of Su-27s, only about 60 machines have been modernized, this is in 10 years, while last year they wrote that 50% were modernized, how many then actually the Su-27? New vehicles are being built at a snail's pace, 6 Su-35s a year, even if the output is doubled, it will take 20 years to replace the decommissioned vehicles. REALLY THE AUTHOR DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS? What kind of opposition in the air can we talk about? This is not touching ground air defense, where things are even worse ...

[silver_roman]

This is all true, of course, but in America, almost any aircraft is older than its pilot. Yes, they are modernizing, but the hardware is getting tired!
Why do you think they drive so much dough into f-35? like they should have taken under 3000 aircraft. but because they have no choice. soon there will be 2500 la on paper, and in the sky 300 and then 200 raptors of them!

[Nayhas]

C'mon, the oldest F-15S, the rest are fresh, the F-16S is generally new, they were distributing the old to the Allies, so in vain you are.

[Evgeny_Lev]

You are being hinted at by BE in the article that our Air Force is not particularly spreading about its capabilities, so you mumbled it in vain. About the lack of modernization, yeah yeah.

[Bronis]

Quote: Nayhas

"282 - MiG-29, 252 - MiG-31, 400 - Su-27" since its creation have not gone through ANY MODERNIZATION! They remained at the level of the 80s of the last century, they cannot use those modern missiles

Moreover, this is a payroll, it can be safely divided in half. By Su-27 was himself an optimist. Counted in the 200 area. Really - no more than 140 pcs. Of this flies, presumably, percent 70%.

Quote: Nayhas

What kind of confrontation in the air can we talk about? This is not about ground defense, where things are even worse ...

In fact, about nothing. You can compare only the number, but no conclusions. Even hypothetical modeling is the work of a whole research institute. It has no practical meaning. We will not fight like this. Plus, even with a hypothetical comparison, the US Navy cannot be ignored. if you imagine a conflict with America, you will not be able to do without its main "argument". It is banal to deliver planes and tanks with infantry. and the strike capabilities of the fleet are a great trump card. But all these comparisons are about nothing - just theory.

[Wedmak]

Do you think a larger percentage of the fleet is flying in the US Air Force? Yes, the same goes. And given all the time the added flight restrictions for the F-22 and F-35 ... they can generally be eliminated ... so, window dressing.

[silver_roman]

I’m wondering, Denis, who is so smart here, minus and can’t say anything in response ??? I look and you banged. I would like to bring the function to mind. which shows bypasses and pluses.
Sorry for the offtopic!

[Wedmak]

I honestly do not care. If a person is minuscule and adequately expressed why - it is possible to debate, if not - what is the demand from a fanatic-liberal-troll?

[silver_roman]

so the fact of the matter is that I want to listen, understand, maybe I myself am wrong in what. I admit that it happens!

[Nayhas]

The US Air Force regularly publishes statistics in the public domain, please data for 20121.
"The total flight time of the A-10 in the 2012 financial year was 101310 hours (the maximum for the entire period of operation - 230665, 1989), during this period there were 0 flight accidents of class" A "and 3 flight accidents of class" B ", lost there were no planes.
The total flight time of the F-15 in fiscal 2012 was 95445 hours (maximum for the entire period of operation - 276393, 1991), during this period there were 3 flight accidents in class "A" and 1 flight accidents in class "B", lost 3 aircraft, 1 pilot was killed.
The total flight hours of the F-16 in fiscal 2012 amounted to 207159 hours (maximum for the entire period of operation - 461451, 1991), during this period there were 4 flight accidents in class "A" and 2 flight accidents in class "B", lost 3 the plane was not killed.
The total flight time of the F-22 in the 2012 financial year was 26507 hours (the maximum for the entire period of operation), during this period there were 3 flight accidents of class "A" and 3 flight accidents of class "B", there were no lost aircraft. "
Here are the data on the combat voltage of the US Air Force in Afghanistan:
"In total in 2012, the US Air Force in Afghanistan performed (2012 cumulative / December 2012):
total flights - 28471/1386, of which flights, during which at least one ammunition was used - 1579/74;
used ammunition - 4092/201, of which from remotely piloted aircraft (UAVs) - 506/59;
reconnaissance flights - 34937/2670;
transport flights - 37611/2567, cargo transported - 218778/17333 tons, passengers transported - 730358/43897, cargo landing - 16509,7 / 1177,5 tons;
flights of air tankers - 16007/974, fuel delivered in the air - 444920/25424 tons;
refueling - 67020/3555;
medical evacuation flights - 3912/47;
search and rescue - 1174/24;
auxiliary flights - 1625/27. "
So before you write nonsense it is better to familiarize yourself with the topic of the question.

[leon-iv]

Nayhas
Now study how they count raid in different countries.

[Wedmak]

And by the way, yes ... there was something like that ... it seems to us that the plaque is counted from the separation from the strip to touch upon landing, they have it from starting the engine to stopping it. Although I may be wrong, I read about it in the article on the history of "Aggressors".

[Nayhas]

In the US Air Force from take-off, to landing, plus five minutes, from civilians from start to engine stop. And what's wrong with that?

[leon-iv]

In the US Air Force from take-off to landing, plus five minutes
can I link? For I have another info.

[Nayhas]

"For I have a different infa." - with a link?
On the site of Sukhoi.ru last year there was a dispute on this topic, an extract from the document was provided
a. For operational purposes, a flight is one or more
aircraft proceeding on a common mission.

b. For recording and reporting purposes, a flight
begins when the aircraft first moves forward
on its takeoff run or takes off vertically from
rest at any point of support and ends after
airborne flight when the aircraft is on the
surface and either:

(1) The engines are stopped or the aircraft has
been on the surface for 5 minutes, whichever
you eat first

[Wedmak]

The total number of hours, yeah. Nothing is said about the purpose of these flights, where they were carried out, what composition.
This is especially true for the F-22. 26507 hours ... 165 hours of flight in 1 year. 45 minutes a day. Cool, th ... This is if we assume that ALL aircraft flew.
Nothing is said about the repair, modernization of aircraft - and this is not a flying watch.
About the rest - the United States is actually waging 2 wars that you wanted ... and the "oldies" F-15, F-16, A-10 are fighting there ...
All the latest fly around their bases ... in the afternoon, in fine weather.
And yes ... where is the much-praised serial F-35 ???

[Nayhas]

Please provide similar statistics on the Russian Air Force, there we will discuss, I do not play with one goal.
And according to the F-22 ... In the days of the USSR, an average flight time of 150 hours per year was considered normal. In the 90s, it fell to 50 hours per year, in the early 2000s it fell to 20 hours per year, and now they are proud that "Starting from 2008, there has been a positive trend towards an increase in flight time per pilot from 70-80 hours up to 110-130 hours." http://structure.mil.ru/structure/forces/air/news/[email protected]
What do you think that "All the newest ones fly around their bases ... during the day, in good weather." this is purely your personal opinion, not confirmed by anything other than your dislike of the United States.
According to F-35:
"Lockheed Martin delivered 2012 F-30 aircraft to customers in 35, of which 11 F-35A, 18 F-35B, 1 F-35C. Among them, 2 F-35B were the first two aircraft delivered to foreign customers (UK), 1 F-35С (СF-5) - the latest prototype of the program 30 F-35s per year is more than a 2-fold increase compared to 2011 (11).
The test plan for 2012 provided for the implementation of 988 flights and the "closure" of 8458 points of the program until December 31st. In fact, in 2012, under the design test program, 1167 flights were performed, which confirmed compliance with 9319 points of the program. According to the options, these indicators are, respectively, F-35A - 291 and 2573, F-35B - 396 (102 vertical landings) and 2443, F-35C - 239 and 2247. 239 flights were devoted to tests of onboard equipment, which confirmed compliance with 2247 points.
After the end of 2012, the general flight test program was completed by 1/3, and by the F-35A subprogramme, by 43%.
In total, by the end of 35, more than 2012 flights were performed under the F-5000 program, of which more than 700 in 2012 - the 33rd fighter wing of the Eglin airbase, on the basis of which an integrated training center was formed. "
Maybe for you this is a break in the template, but the F-35 FLIES.

[leon-iv]

Please provide similar statistics on the Russian Air Force, there we will discuss, I do not play with one goal.
I would have found it myself.
Maybe for you this is a break in the template, but the F-35 FLIES.
Yes, wherever he gets to the question of how it flies. And then with such an outstanding engine and the brick will fly.

[Nayhas]

"I would look for it myself." - and you won’t find it, and not because it doesn’t exist, the Air Force definitely has it, they just don’t want to voice it. Rather, it is voiced in this form "in just 2012. The flight time was XXXXX hours" while here in a bunch of planes and helicopters, and long-range aircraft and assault and fighter aircraft, go figure out who flew how many. It is clear that helicopter pilots fly many times more, that YES pilots have always had more airtime than fighters, but who and how much ... a mystery ...
PS: The F-35 flies normally, for example, in December 2012. brought operational angles of attack to 50 degrees, in 2014 plan to exceed this result. For comparison, the Su-27 in combat units, the angle of attack is limited to 26 degrees. You, and not only you, have become a victim of outright misinformation, which the Americans themselves are sculpting. It would have been so bad with the F-35, then there would have long been a hearing in the US Congress on this matter.

[leon-iv]

brought operational angles of attack to 50 degrees, in 2014 plan to exceed this result. For comparison, the Su-27 in combat units, the angle of attack is limited to 26 degrees. You, and not only you, have become a victim of outright misinformation, which the Americans themselves are sculpting. It would have been so bad with the F-35, then there would have long been a hearing in the US Congress on this matter.
Good luck, when there will be these supercritical angles of attack in the flight manual, then we'll talk. No one flies on combatant lines like Bogdan.
+ And now we look at the price of this wafer with niokr + more and more often we see a reduction in purchases of this wafer.
Threat Amers finish it but they themselves already understand that he will not be able to replace F-16-15-18 and A-10

[Nayhas]

Well, there’s someone who, and we should not care how much they cost the US taxpayers, our money is not there. If this suits them (and purchases continue and the 8th series has already been ordered), then this is their business. You can laugh at them to colic in the stomach, but the F-35 will form the basis of the US Air Force.
PS: Regarding the skill of the pilots, I bring a photo from the US Navy website, it has a dozen combatant F / A-18s of the 83rd fighter-bomber squadron based on the USS Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier, before landing at the airport after completion of the planned combat service. These are just combat pilots, not acrobats, on ordinary combat F / A-18s.

[silver_roman]

Well, it’s one thing to build such a figure in the air, and it’s another thing to make not direct flights, but various maneuvers, i.e. turns without breaking the integrity of the figure. This, for me, is the most difficult.
But then again: the amers have a plaque higher UNTIL WHAT! and much more experience WHEN!

[silver_roman]

Are you talking about the Su-27 or modern versions?
Because Avionics is already very different, and, as a result, control restrictions too.

[Nayhas]

Not in the know, he quoted an excerpt from the article of the same site "Su-27 wins. Nothing surprising" from 27.02.2013/27/120. In general, the Su-XNUMX makes the "Cobra" go XNUMX degrees, but combat pilots cannot see this, and perhaps there are restrictions on the load, suspension, etc.

[silver_roman]

I won’t say anything, but it seems that certain restrictions in the self-propelled guns (automatic control system) are turned off to perform aerobatics. I don’t know whether all restrictions on transcendental flight regimes are completely lifted; I’m sorry for Sergei (SSI), he would have discovered the truth.
There are definitely certain restrictions on the glider, although again I can’t say anything about the Su-27. It is clear that this on the deck is definitely not a ride.

[Slavka]

I won’t give statistics on the Russian Air Force, but according to some reports, the flight time of military helicopter pilots for the first quarter of 2013 has already exceeded the six-month norm ... Military aircraft can’t calm down for several days, cut circles over the city day and night)) and that's it it is almost every week. I think that the raid of all types of sides is more than serious !!

[Bronis]

Quote: Wedmak

Do you think a larger percentage of the fleet flies in the US Air Force?

So, in fact, I didn’t talk about the USA in this part, because I don’t have the numbers. The percentage here is also far from 100, but they declare 65-70% openly. True numbers do not indicate from what they consider. However, only one U.S. carrier-based aircraft is comparable in numbers to our fighter aircraft.
But considering that such problems in financing the US Air Force did not know, the percentage of combat-ready vehicles they have is higher than ours + overall superiority in numbers.
So, conclusions can be drawn ... but I repeat - I see no practical sense in comparison. For us, the issue of sufficiency / insufficiency of the number of air forces for our realities is important. And this is the next research institute's work (if the scale of the problem is taken).
With the F-22 there is a lot of window dressing, the F-35 - no comment - it is not in service. But the main force is not they, but the same F-15, F-16, F / A-18.

[Nayhas]

Any reasoning who is stronger "a whale or an elephant" always ends "but who cares if nuclear weapons will kill each other and there will be no winners" ... Thank God we have it ...

[djon3volta]

Nayhas, Americans need a lot of planes to attack, so they have bases everywhere. Russia is not an aggressor country, we don’t need thousands of planes and hundreds of bases around the planet. I’m 100% sure that we have one rusty tank, amers anyway they’ll be afraid to fight with us openly, because they will get bogged down if they start on the road on our roads. Can you imagine the Amer or NATO troops in Russian cities? Do you know what the people will do with them? Yes, the boys will simply tear them up without any weapons.

[Nayhas]

Well, you need to start with the fact that in the event of aggression, the whole world is in dust and an eternal nuclear winter, everyone knows this, and therefore this is the main reason. But a strong army is still needed, and most importantly the Air Force, tk. the nuclear shield needs air cover, and since "my native country is wide," the whole country needs airbases, and the Air Force must be able to concentrate the required number of aircraft in one place as soon as possible and so that they have enough fuel and ammunition. And to hope that the Yankees will be afraid, as you put it, one rusty tank is more than stupid, and even more so at the activity of the people. Would you like to know who will be the partisan? Who would agree to live in a damp cold forest without a warm toilet, without a wifi, without three meals a day? Are you guys addicted? Bank employees? Taxi drivers? Guest workers? Will the United Russia party lead the underground? How long will Moscow last without heating, electricity, sewage, communications, gasoline?

[Wedmak]

Remember who will partisan? Who agrees to live in a damp, cold forest without a warm toilet, without wifi, without three meals a day? Addicted boys? Bank employees? Taxi drivers? Migrant workers? And the party of EP will lead the underground? How long will Moscow be without heating, electricity, sewage, communications, gasoline?

If necessary (God forbid, of course), all sane and devoted people will go to partisan.

[Bronis]

And here, in fact, is a reminder.

[Bronis]

And here, in fact, and visual agitation

[Nayhas]

Denis, in words all patriots and defenders of the motherland, but not everyone will be able to spend the night in the woods hiding from the persecution, under the constant threat of being discovered from the air, to starve. And not just one day, but for months, in the summer he lives alive, in winter there is no way to survive in the forest, not only that there is constant cold, so any light from the UAV thermal imager is clearly visible and greetings from heaven are provided. If physical adversity can still be tolerated, then psychological stress can break. The worst thing is cold and hunger, they exhaust the soul ...

[Wedmak]

I do not argue. But what is the alternative? Cave under the Yankees? Yeah, schazz ...

[Nayhas]

As I already wrote, while there are nuclear weapons, there is no need to worry about this, direct aggression does not threaten. The main problem is that the current leadership may bend under them, i.e. to defend the interests of the Motherland in words, but in reality ... There are many examples, the most striking civil aviation, Cyprus, etc. By the same "Magnitsky law" they were taken by the balls, hence the sea of ​​diarrhea against the Americans, the same Poo-ying does not hesitate to declare that he regularly communicates with Kissinger ... In general, the topic of the Russian government and the US Republican Party is worthy of deep research.

[antidote]

If you are not ready, then do not think about others like that. My son and I are ready. It's all about education

[Nayhas]

I did not deny that there are ready-made ones; I doubted only their quantity worthy of mention.

[Slavka]

Undoubtedly, but ... What number of occupation troops is required to control at least a third of Russia ??? There will also be partisans, but there will be a front line and rear areas will be much that we know from World War II. Wash them with their yushka, oh wash myself !!! And correctly, the comrades said above that the amers were not used to hundreds of their children in coffins! And there will be thousands))).

[gizz]

Muscovites? Partisan? Maybe someone will go. A Chechens for example, all co-opt and glory to work. If the state (our main) country passes (merge) then sushi paddles. No partisans will help.

[fzr1000]

My family will die from the bombing, and I’ll go to partisan. And you, if you are a man, will also go under such circumstances. And there will be many of us. And who does not go, will die in bed, a dunghill. No other is given.

[gizz]

And I will go. Will there be any sense? Partisans without support have never succeeded in defeating and knocking out an aggressor (nothing because).

[zao74]

I took one from the article. We are strong in defense, and the offensive strategy is not considered at all. But why?! Why not consider the likelihood of our (albeit reciprocal) invasion of enemy territory? What are our possibilities of transporting large military formations over long distances, capturing and holding bridgeheads, followed by the seizure of enemy territory.

[Slevinst]

Yes, we don’t need it absolutely, we are self-sufficient in terms of resources, the only one on this planet who can pretend us in terms of war is China, only they have a chance to achieve something and it is unlikely considering how many kilometers they will have to smuggle their equipment across our land

[silver_roman]

Unfortunately, our opportunities are much more modest. it is only to be prepared in advance and, say, to introduce troops to Venezuela with a view to its further transfer, but then the cries will rise. and besides, Chavez has sunk into history

And the usa has great trucks. This is essentially a tanker and cargo ships, which they bought from all kinds of countries and then modernized + aircraft carriers. They initially hone the army under aggression, and we are on the defensive.
only BDK can send well and transport aircraft. if flies.
But I think over time we will bring to mind the paratroopers, and maybe aircraft carriers will design and build. Well, that’s ... dreams!

[Fregate]

Yes, none of us will attack anyone because of nuclear weapons and not only. America will surrender its position of world leader without a fight. Then, all the more, they will not have the options to attack us, but we don’t have anything to do with it, they don’t have anything that we don’t have (I mean other resources).

[Akuzenka]

Duc, because they are trying to dissolve us with shit democracy, because they know that they can’t cope with us, in any case they’ll get it so that they don’t get up.

[silver_roman]

by the way, a characteristic video about their methods. although, in principle, everyone already knows everything!

[ultra]

I put a plus for optimism, but I would like for REALISM!

[Prapor Afonya]

Quote: Genady1976

Hitler also did not have an army from kindergarten.

Yes, the army of the Reich was superior to ours, but they were preparing for war, but we still crushed them! All fighting Russian spirit! And remember the operation in Grozny, because the spirits were all highly trained mercenaries and exceeded our army several times, and our soldiers were not trained and in smaller numbers and still drove them out of the city. Somewhere there was a quote from amers (in my opinion, even in the military review), well, so, they say: "As your army won, our trained troops would not have stood against these mercenaries for a week." As for the weapons, there weren't many tanks in Iraq, the Abrams lived with our RPG-7s, moreover, of the old production, here's the opposition of the machines!

[gas]

The cant is that the amers are used to tearing down by economic methods, and not by their army. Who else but us should know about after the 90s

[erased]

These are paper calculations. But they are indicative. The training of officers and soldiers, the perfect technology, competent strategy and tactics - this determines the outcome of the war.
And that the amers will not dare to attack directly - and the goat knows. Even overseas.

[Pimply]

Nonsense, to be honest. Comparison of quantitative indicators only for a number of parameters - and conclusions are drawn from this. It’s ridiculous.

[Lopatov]

My friend, you better keep silent. Tortured you to put the pros. No need to go into these topics. I respect your opinion, but not everyone is like me.

[Black]

ABM, logistics, modern means of communication (very modern !!), special forces - develop, build, improve !!!

[NickitaDembelnulsa]

The United States, so the military budget is reduced. This is so reminder)

[rodevaan]

Well, gentlemen, it’s not so bad as it seemed to us before! I think that in an open mutton clash the hotbed of democracy is unlikely to be resolved. I remember there was a similar article once in a newspaper in 1999. Then, of course, to read the comparative analysis was much worse and sadder!

We are on the right path, comrades! Modernization must be! It is time to withdraw our military-industrial complex from Mr., to clear the troops of Serdyukovism, for the Russian force has always been in the army and navy!

[Hort]

one point is indicative: there was an article here about the "research of American psychologists", which described how American soldiers shit and piss in pants before the battle. And ours - without legs, continue to shoot from a wrecked tank or the battalion of five are firing at the battalion.
IMHO, do not need to compare anything else :)

[djon3volta]

Quote: hort

which described how American soldiers crap and pissed in portoki before the battle.

Yes, yes, I remember reading)))

[Bigriver]

Last year, according to the American portal Global Firepower, Russia was second only to the United States in terms of firepower. China is lower.
http://www.globalfirepower.com
Interestingly, in the international Defense Review ranking in 2000, Russia ranked 46th in terms of defense ratio.

[rodevaan]

Quote: BigRiver

globalfirepower

Quote: BigRiver

Last year, according to the American portal Global Firepower, Russia was second only to the United States in terms of firepower. China is lower.
http://www.globalfirepower.com
Interestingly, in the international Defense Review ranking in 2000, Russia ranked 46th in terms of defense ratio.

- That's not, it's just that we were still sick with "crap", while we were slowly recovering - so we climbed to second place :) You look at such a pace and we will dismiss the most important democratic gardener-agronomist.

[Wedmak]

Well, on paper you can lay out who is who for a long time. Even with all that the author has posted, in the event of an attack, the United States will have one "little" problem ... to deliver its troops to our territory. And it seems to me that not everyone who sailed or departed from the American continent will reach the Eurasian continent. And upon reaching, they will be under a possible blow from our CD and OTRK. A pair of Iskanders with cluster warheads will quickly turn the discharge port into a repository.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Wedmak

Well, on paper you can lay out who is who for a long time. Even with all that the author has posted, in the event of an attack, the United States will have one "little" problem ... to deliver its troops to our territory.

It seems to me that spherococks are even more gloomy
America, by virtue of its ideology, is VERY sensitive to human losses. It is simply impossible to imagine a conflict, for the sake of the resolution of which the states can lay even 200-300 thousand casualties. In their first hundred, a coup d'etat will occur, with a radical change in power and course.

[Wedmak]

Partly you are right. They have already lost more than 4500 in Iraq, if I am not mistaken. In Afghanistan, even more. Until now, with enviable frequency, fresh corpses have been taken out. And this is not a war with the most armed country. The coup is not really planned, although an adequate people is rebelling ... the truth is they put a big and thick one on them.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Wedmak

Partly you are right. They have already lost more than 4500 in Iraq, if I am not mistaken.

In the winter of 1944, the amers calculated the losses in the event of a ground operation in the Japanese islands. Losses, according to their forecasts, should have amounted to more than 1 million people. They considered them unacceptable and refused the operation.
From this grew the USSR's condition to start a war with Japan after the end of the war with Germany.

[Wedmak]

Well ... on the other hand, a lot of them were killed on the Pacific front too. But it seems to me that then it was a "different" country.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Wedmak

Well ... on the other hand, a lot of them were killed on the Pacific front too. But it seems to me that then it was a "different" country.

All US losses in World War II (in all theater of operations, including Europe) are less than 2 million.
What are we talking about.
Now this is a country MORE sensitive to losses.

[Atrix]

Quote: Wedmak

Well ... on the other hand, a lot of them were killed on the Pacific front too. But it seems to me that then it was a "different" country.

The same can be said about Russia. Can you imagine that 30 years ago in Moscow you would see the Nazis walking around and no one is telling them anything? Or how do Caucasians beat people and Russians stand and look at it? Or how do young people thump and throws drugs from the age of 14?

[Wedmak]

In Moscow ... don't be offended, but I think that Moscow is too overpopulated city, living too luxuriously. Not by income. Too much money, too much free time for young people .. and a lot of "too". Hence these troubles. And then there's the propaganda from the west of the consumer society ...

[Kolovrat77]

Denis remember the song, I won’t tell for all of Odessa, all of Odessa is very big ...
I will not tell for all of Moscow. Moscow GREAT CITY. And all this cockerel that you see in the box is all nonsense. If that goes to expense.

[Bigriver]

Quote: Wedmak

Well ... on the other hand, on the Pacific front, they too were killed a lot. But it seems to me then it was a "different" country.

All US irrevocability in the 2nd World War (on all theater) - less than 0,5 million people.
What are we talking about.
Now this country is even more sensitive to losses.

[Denis_volgograd]

Armament is kanechno Important, but no less important characteristic is the Will of the People to defend their homeland and its interests. After all, you must admit that without this, you won’t win a war !!!

[Dwarfik]

Kind! A very visual comparison in terms of technology, we will omit many aspects of wars, frosts, bad roads, and so on. We can say with a fair amount of confidence that the RF Armed Forces are getting stronger, getting stronger! Yes, and we have a lot of tanks, and the air defense is the best in the world, without exaggeration and high-profile PR missile defense, it is banal: "Favorite" and "Triumph". As noted above, there is no marine component, and not with a simple one !! In general, how can you design a large-scale clash of 2 armies, the only option is that it will not work in our territory, in the territory of the United States. And to scatter some of their base at our side is not a war, I am sure that if it comes to an open military clash between these two countries, it will be the end of everything.

[cosmos111]

Compare the modern Russian army and the US army is not correct.
The U.S. Army is armed and fighting technology of the 21 century. We are stuck in the late 80's
There are no modern land weapons in the Russian army and, most importantly, communications
What is not in our army and is in the us army
.1. Modern portable radio stations.
.2 There are no armored vehicles of the MRAP class.
3 There are no modern .BTR-ry., BMP,
4. There are no reconnaissance multipurpose vehicles.
5 Equipment
6 There are no UAVs, all the more, there are no drone drone.
7.T-90 tanks do not have thermal imagers.,
And there’s still a lot of things that will not happen in the near future. While in power in Russia there are marauders robbing their people and the country's natural wealth.

[antidote]

Do not want to get involved in the discussion, but you are wrong:
We are not inferior in many characteristics of the new technology, but often surpass it. You just don’t follow the process.
For example, the BTR-3 is clearly superior to its Western counterparts.

[honest jew]

Again a patriotic article about how cool we are and the rest of the Fuckers surrounding us!

The author writes and quotes: "It should be understood that even the United States will not be able to put under arms such a large number of people. There will not be enough weapons, ammunition, food, clothing to maintain such an army, and transport logistics will turn into a real hell."

Now let's look at the website of the American Bureau for the Control of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau) and what do we see?

The numbers:
According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau), approximately 60-65 million Americans (representing 45% of American households) now hold more than 200 million firearms ( 73 million rifles, rifles and machine guns, 66 million pistols and revolvers, 62 million pump-action guns, shotguns, etc. - the exact number is unknown).

The number of weapons held in private hands annually increases by 4.5 million barrels. Thus, the Americans have the world's largest private arsenal.

According to statistics from the National Shooting Sports Foundation, 18.5 million hunters live in the United States.

Also: Up to a thousand battle tanks are privately owned in the United States - enough to arm an entire army. In the United States, any owner of a tank can keep it in combat readiness, unless, of course, he can get the charges for the gun. If there are no special legislative restrictions in a particular state or city, anyone can buy a federal license for the possession of explosives for $ 200: however, for this the tank owner must confirm that he is not wanted and not a psychopath. And of course, the tank driver must obtain the appropriate Class B or A license for heavy vehicles.

And there is also a fleet of private planes and helicopters, ships and boats, as well as heavy and anti-tank artillery! Therefore, the article is a fat minus for the empty rattling of arms and air shaking!

[Wedmak]

According to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau (Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Bureau), approximately 60-65 million Americans (representing 45% of American households) now hold more than 200 million firearms ( 73 million rifles, rifles and machine guns, 66 million pistols and revolvers, 62 million pump-action guns, shotguns, etc. - the exact number is unknown).

Private property in the United States has up to a thousand battle tanks - enough to arm an entire army

And there is also a fleet of private planes and helicopters, ships and boats, as well as heavy and anti-tank artillery

Do you really think that in the event of a conflict in which the United States will be the aggressor, they will all come together, take their weapons and go to seize bridgeheads ??? Do they need it? And if things go wrong in the US Army and defeat is visible, will they go to the partisans? No, some of course will go ... But basically, the first thing they will capture is the nearby McDonalds and a supermarket. Understand that there is a different mentality, there everyone is for himself.

[ultra]

Quote: Honest Jew

The number of weapons held in private hands annually increases by 4.5 million barrels. Thus, the Americans have the world's largest private arsenal.

This is good for guerrilla action on its territory!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Honest Jew

Therefore, the article is a fat minus for the empty rattling of arms and air shaking!

I agree with you no article, analysis from the bulldozer. 20 years of destruction of the state and the army were not in vain, if Georgia is already considered as an adversary, then this is seriously alarming.

[antidote]

Maybe this civilian army will fight at its home, but for now, we are not talking about a war on the territory of the luminaries of gameocracy.

[leon-iv]

1.Modern portable radio stations.
eat and en masse in the sun
Missing armored vehicles class MPAP.
PAPUAS only
There are no modern .BTR-ry., BMP,
They only conditionally striker can pull on it
There are no reconnaissance multipurpose vehicles.
If you take RTR RTV, there have always been and are now arriving
5 Equipment
here yes
6 There are no UAVs, all the more, there are no drone drone.
Russian air defense scoops them up and does not notice it again to the Papuans. Small tactical UAVs are much more dangerous.
There are no thermal imagers on the T-90 tanks.,
There is also not our main tank.

And there’s still a lot of things that will not happen in the near future. While in power in Russia there are marauders robbing their people and the country's natural wealth.
blah blah blah get off already with an armored car there is the next speaker in line.

[cosmos111]

Quote: leon-iv

blah blah blah get off already with an armored car there is the next speaker in line.

It’s yours, blah, blah. Pull your head out of the sand already; don’t depict an ostrich. Or take off your pink glasses.
The militants in Dagestan are Papuans?. We do not have more than one unit of armored vehicles with mine protection. Not a blah, but a bastard.

[leon-iv]

Papuans?
exactly. Moreover, count the number of detonations.
And there is nothing to make armies in Dagestan for a long time there are war fighting. Here they need and are buying mrap-like machines.

[cosmos111]

Quote: leon-iv

Papuans?
exactly. Moreover, count the number of detonations.
And there is nothing to make armies in Dagestan for a long time there are war fighting. Here they need and are buying mrap-like machines.

BB of all 180 thousand people. Give an example of at least one MCI standing in service.
Undermine not only the soldiers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs VV but also the Russian army.
All countries China India purchases MRAP for its armies, and Leon and The Witcher, “Russia doesn’t need,” you are weapons experts.?
Internet, open and read.
REMOVE THE PINK GOGGLES OF THE LORD. Under the current tolerant power, our army will degrade, year by year. How not sorry.

[leon-iv]

bottom MCI standing in service.

China India buys MRAP for its armies, and Leon and The Witcher ,, Russia does not need ,,, Are you an arms expert.?
Internet, open and read.
a warrior and tear-off cover tell me about the specific pressure on the ground in these wagons and what is their resistance to overturning as well as tactical and strategic mobility.

[cosmos111]

Quote: leon-iv

and strategic mobility.

From what side are the armored Urals. Steel MRI
And you are a warrior in general inadequate. All countries buy armies for their armies. List countries.
To ensure mobility and security, a new class of JLTV armored vehicles has been developed. Learn the mat. Part.
Or are you used to riding a cart in your collective farm
Mr. Pitinophil.

[leon-iv]

. Became steel
Quite to myself. Moreover, this is what the security forces need. They will be newer but it is not for the army it is necessary for the BB.
JLTV
and what is its novelty, then enlighten the lightweight platform to replace hamviku.
Or are you used to riding a cart in your collective farm
about the identity right now I'm going to harness the bear to go for vodka.

[Wedmak]

All countries China India purchases MRAP for its armies, and Leon and The Witcher, “Russia doesn’t need,” you are weapons experts.?
Internet, open and read.

Did I say that they are not needed? Did Leon say that they are not needed? Open your eyes .... And I, and Leon said that they are needed and they are purchased!
Or do you just need to cry out about pink glasses and our bad, in your clear view, power?

[Wedmak]

Militants in Dagestan - Papuans ?.

Yeah ... only trained Papuans. Hiding in the mountains or behind the backs of women and children, shooting over AK’s shoulder over their shoulder ... Well, yes, yes ... even the Papuans will not allow themselves to do that.

We do not have more than one unit of armored vehicles with mine protection

Currently being tested armored trucks based on KAMAZ, as well as reconnaissance vehicles.

[Atrix]

Quote: leon-iv

6 There are no UAVs, all the more, there are no drone drone.
Russian air defense scoops them up and does not notice it again to the Papuans. Small tactical UAVs are much more dangerous.

And what will air defense do when these UAVs are a couple of hundred in one direction with anti-air defense missiles, when there will be 5-10 drones per installation? Human losses will not be among the United States, but Russia will lose with such a raid I think half of the air defense systems.

[Misantrop]

Quote: Atrix

And what will air defense do when these UAVs are a couple of hundred in one direction with anti-air defense missiles, when there will be 5-10 drones per installation?

When breeding flies begin to get out, hitting them is a useless exercise. It is necessary to clean up the garbage in which they breed. So here, if unmanned "flies" come flying in, you will have to swat their "dung heap". Megaton grader

[leon-iv]

when will there be 5-10 drones per installation?
SBCH do you think each will be fired by an expensive missile?
Or do you think that enemy satellites will fly quietly?
but Russia will lose with such a raid I think half of the air defense systems.
The most interesting are MALDs, but they are so babble for the air defense of the Russian Federation.

[Wedmak]

Dream on .... hundreds .. what are not thousands? Yes, even with anti-radar missiles (yes, they are called that, even if they learn the mat. Part) ... How will they control them ??? From USA? From their "colonies"? Yeah ... a couple of planes with electronic warfare equipment and your hundreds of UAVs will fall into the ground with their snouts.

[Dimka off]

we will win anyway. It was won everywhere and everywhere! so it’s better not to bother us. Whoever comes with a sword will fall by the sword.

[Bigriver]

Quote: BigRiver

Quote: Wedmak

Well, on paper you can lay out who is who for a long time. Even with all that the author has posted, in the event of an attack, the United States will have one "little" problem ... to deliver its troops to our territory.

It seems to me that spherococks are even more gloomy
America, by virtue of its ideology, is VERY sensitive to human losses. It is simply impossible to imagine a conflict, for the sake of the resolution of which the states can lay even 200-300 thousand casualties. In their first hundred, a coup d'etat will occur, with a radical change in power and course.

[Dwarfik]

Quote: cosmos111

Compare the modern Russian army and the US army is not correct.
The U.S. Army is armed and fighting technology of the 21 century. We are stuck in the late 80's
There are no modern land weapons in the Russian army and, most importantly, communications
What is not in our army and is in the us army
.1. Modern portable radio stations.
.2 There are no armored vehicles of the MRAP class.
3 There are no modern .BTR-ry., BMP,
4. There are no reconnaissance multipurpose vehicles.
5 Equipment
6 There are no UAVs, all the more, there are no drone drone.
7.T-90 tanks do not have thermal imagers.,
And there’s still a lot of things that will not happen in the near future. While in power in Russia there are marauders robbing their people and the country's natural wealth.

An example of the "interaction" of 21st century technologies of the United States and our technologies of the 80s was clearly demonstrated in Yugoslavia - the downed F - 117, if I am not mistaken, from the C-125 installation. In general, the absence of television cameras and radio stations is not weapons, the comparison is given for weapons and equipment and not for equipment and, let's say, "complete set". I wonder in which conflict over the past time the United States fought with technologies of the 21st century? F - 15? F - 16? Or maybe their military is equipped with neutron weapons? The equipment of their army is certainly better, but this is not from the backwardness of our minds ....

[Krasnoyarsk]

The United States lost a few people there, and the Yugoslavs in the region of 1000 corpses, and the incident with f-117 is just luck.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Krasnoyarets

The Americans lost a few people there,

Quote: Krasnoyarets

and the Yugoslavs in the region of 1000 corpses

amers consider the people, and Yugoslavov on the corpses, minus, just minus the feed.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

by people, and Yugoslavov by corpses, minus, just minus for serving

Yugoslavia is a good example. How the Russian elite threw the Yugoslavs under NATO bombs. One Primakov .E.M protested.
They bombed and seized the oil of Iraq, they are sitting in Afghanistan and are flooding Russia with drugs. And we will base them for this in Ulyanovsk.
And this is because, the "elite" in our country is not ours, but Jewish.
While she is in power in the Russian army there will be no new weapons.

[leon-iv]

And this is because, the "elite" in our country is not ours, but Jewish.
While she is in power in the Russian army there will be no new weapons.
get off already with an armored car.
Right now it’s fashionable to scold the authorities that they don’t deliver shelves per month. Not that they don’t buy anything.
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[Simon]

In general, were there Shtatovtsy, or maybe some others, for example, Albanians, whom you can not count.

[Wedmak]

Well, yes, the United States bombarded Belgrade with phosphorus bombs (note, prohibited for use) and tomahawks. And they rained them for any purpose that seemed dangerous to them. Nevertheless, they could not dislodge the entire air defense of Yugoslavia.

[leon-iv]

, and could not knock out the entire air defense of Yugoslavia.
Moreover, the Serbs withdrew their aircraft with virtually no loss.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Wedmak

seemed dangerous to them. Nevertheless, they could not dislodge the entire air defense of Yugoslavia

But in Kosovo, bandits and NATO are now. And the Yankers did not lose more than one soldier.
How many thousands of soldiers did we put in Chechnya in 1999? several thousand.
And Yugoslavia is not stronger than Chechnya; its army was once in 100.

[fzr1000]

The comparison is incorrect, because there was a military operation in Chechnya on the territory of the Russian Federation with certain restrictions on the use of weapons and ammunition. In Yugoslavia, it’s easier to say that it was not used. There was a full-fledged war and NATO did not give a damn about the methods of achieving the result. Just bombing a bridge with a passenger train passing over it is worth it. Then, in Yugoslavia, there were no direct clashes between ground forces. and in Chechnya it was everywhere, and, in the first campaign, bandits used both armored vehicles and artillery. I'm not talking about partisanism and terrorism in the territory outside the Chechen Republic. All this does not give the right to compare these two events.

[leon-iv]

the alignment is incorrect, because there was a military operation in Chechnya on the territory of the Russian Federation with certain restrictions on the use of weapons and ammunition.
The first of our betrayed impudently and cynically politics (Schaub them bitches in a coffin to turn around and burn in hell)
And in the second they understood that we still have to live together. And then we would see a moonlit landscape in Chechnya.

[cosmos111]

Quote: leon-iv

b. And then we would see a lunar landscape in Chechnya

And so they saw thousands of coffins of Russikh young men. And they are not going to live with you in friendship and good neighborliness. All the alleged stability in Chechnya was bought with the money of Russikh taxpayers.
And I really like the lunar landscape. It is a pity again that the jackals were not given (((Wahhabis)) to finish off.

[Wedmak]

Good mister, would you go ... drive such stupidity that you don’t want to read.
What, no matter what and how, but only to pour mud?

[leon-iv]

And I really like the lunar landscape. It is a pity again that the jackals were not given (((Wahhabis)) to finish off.
for this you my fat minus

[Wedmak]

And Yugoslavia is not stronger than Chechnya; its army was once in 100.

Debatable. It should be considered not stronger, but the ratio of troops.
If to compare:
NATO is an organization from several countries and has hammered a dozen countries to poor Yugoslavia. Hammered remotely, from great heights. But they won only when they stupidly bought the entire leadership of the Yugoslav army and all politicians.

Regarding Chechnya, you are unfortunately right, but only partially. In Chechnya, there was actually a terrorist war against federal forces. And these are explosions, ambushes, traps and other delights. There was also a mistake of our commanders, what is already here ...

But we digress from the main question: Comparisons of the US Armed Forces and Russia at this point in time. Moreover, the United States in this case is the aggressor. And the conclusion suggests itself that in this situation, the United States does not shine at all.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Dwarfik

do they have military equipped with neutron weapons? The equipment of their army is certainly better, but it’s not from our backwardness

And who, speaks of the “backwardness” of our minds. I am writing about the socio-political system in Russia. Built by thieves and corrupt officials to just steal budget funds allocated for defense.
In Soviet times, the US and USSR armies were comparable in terms of technical and technological equipment.
Now there is a technological abyss between us and amers. The problems in the technologies of the USSR have ended

[optimist]

Something people were carried away by counting the number of tanks, guns and the mass of bodies of American warriors. But something no one remembered how in the 91st they bombarded us without firing a shot (more precisely, there were shots, but only we shot each other). And what prevents them from repeating this sad experience after a couple of decades? To set fire to our Caucasus, to spit once ... So while GDP drives oil and gas for green candy wrappers, which remain in American banks, everything will be relatively quiet and calm. A dispute was raised here, as in a kindergarten: who is stronger, an elephant or a whale?

[Bigriver]

Quote: optimist

... in the 91st they flunked us without a single shot. AND what is stopping them after a couple of decades repeat this sad experience?

The lack of illusions in Russia.
It is the illusions and the childish-romantic ideas of the people and the authorities about strategic partnership with the West that failed us without a shot.
Well, and much more, of course What has long been gone.

[optimist]

We still have illusions now, more than enough! There will NEVER be a direct clash between the US and Russia. For at least one simple reason: it will inevitably spill over into a nuclear conflict with apocalyptic consequences. Therefore, the Americans (like the last 2 times) will fight with us by someone else's hands. And these "hands" are already known: Muslim fundamentalists. Not today or tomorrow they will crush Syria (to our great regret), then Iran, and then it's our turn.

[Wedmak]

Not today, tomorrow they will kill Syria (unfortunately)

Yeah, yeah ... only the news from there comes exactly the opposite! At such a pace, in a year and a half, only individual gangs in hard-to-reach places will have to be crushed.

then Iran, and there is already our turn.

USA in Iran will break its nose. Everything is not as simple as it seems.
And if we still help (no matter how, it's not about that), then the Americans will get into their nostrils and print their candy wrappers only for their soldiers ... wipe your ass ... which ones still remain ...

[Denis_SF]

if the enemy attacks our people, the chieftain lead forward, the drafts are headless ..

[Atrix]

As always in the article, the quantitative composition is less, but unparalleled in the world equalizes)))) In addition, the husband must be taken away from the Russian quantity somewhere else 30-40% of what does not fly or does not travel. Also, for some reason, the author kept silent about drones that rivets the USA in large quantities. In general, as always, pseudo patriots shout slogans and engage in hatred

[Wedmak]

then a husband needs to be taken away from the Russian quantity somewhere else somewhere between 30-40% of what does not fly or ride.

From the American too. Or do you think their technique never breaks?

Also, for some reason, the author kept silent about drones that rivets the USA in large quantities.

Because over the territory with a developed air defense system, drones do not fly for very long.

[cosmos111]

Quote: Wedmak

From the American too. Or do you think their technique never breaks?

It breaks down but it is being repaired. You know how many companies in the USA there are dozens. We have one. GAZ group. Monopoly. KamAZ and Ural ,, Typhoons, have not yet been adopted

[Wedmak]

It breaks but it is being repaired. You know how many companies in the USA are dozens.

Uh-huh. Even I have not heard about the great maintainability of the Abrams tanks in the field. Or servicing planes or helicopters at remote airfields "on the knee".

[Atrix]

Quote: Wedmak

then a husband needs to be taken away from the Russian quantity somewhere else somewhere between 30-40% of what does not fly or ride.

From the American too. Or do you think their technique never breaks?

Also, for some reason, the author kept silent about drones that rivets the USA in large quantities.

Because over the territory with a developed air defense system, drones do not fly for very long.

They may not fly for long, but to launch a rocket and detect air defense bases is enough to aim at a target

[Wedmak]

Tales of the Brothers Grimm received a new continuation? .....

[leon-iv]

detection of air defense bases is enough to aim at the target
lol if you are aware that we have all the air defense mobile and can direct one radar and shoot another, and in the division’s area of ​​responsibility no less than 5-6 reserve positions and multiple overlapping of sectors + AWACS in the sky.

[Simon]

To bring it, this is one thing, but one must fly before reaching the target through air defense.

[Simon]

You, my friend, better look at your army, what it has and what it can, and then poke us Russians. It would not have had to turn to us for help when the thunder strikes.

[Dwarfik]

Quote: cosmos111

Quote: Dwarfik

do they have military equipped with neutron weapons? The equipment of their army is certainly better, but it’s not from our backwardness

And who, speaks of the “backwardness” of our minds. I am writing about the socio-political system in Russia. Built by thieves and corrupt officials to just steal budget funds allocated for defense.
In Soviet times, the US and USSR armies were comparable in terms of technical and technological equipment.
Now there is a technological abyss between us and amers. The problems in the technologies of the USSR have ended

I wrote about minds in the context of "technological backwardness". How is it possible: S-400 is better, Ak is better !, SU is better! and there is a technological gap between us, and Pak FA will be better! There is a quantitative gap between us in equipment and supplies, but not in weapons technology - I agree with that.

[Dwarfik]

Quote: cosmos111

Quote: Alexander Romanov

by people, and Yugoslavov by corpses, minus, just minus for serving

Yugoslavia is a good example. How the Russian elite threw the Yugoslavs under NATO bombs. One Primakov .E.M protested.
They bombed and seized the oil of Iraq, they are sitting in Afghanistan and are flooding Russia with drugs. And we will base them for this in Ulyanovsk.
And this is because, the "elite" in our country is not ours, but Jewish.
While she is in power in the Russian army there will be no new weapons.