SAM for Turkey. To be continued…

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It is the fourth year since Turkey has indicated its intention to acquire a certain number of long-range anti-aircraft missile systems. The most common, at first glance, tender should have been completed no later than the first months of 2012. However, a year after the proposed term the contract was not signed, and the Turkish military are trying to find a way out of this situation. On Tuesday, March 26, an extraordinary meeting of the Defense Industry Executive Committee was held in Ankara, chaired by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan. According to Turkish media reports, this meeting did not produce any tangible results. Seemingly protracted story With purchases SRA will continue.

Back in 2009, right after the announcement of the start of the competition, several companies from different countries filed applications: American Lockheed Martin and Raytheon, Chinese CPMIEC, European Eurosam and Russian Rosoboronexport. Having received the relevant documentation, the Turkish military conducted a comparative analysis. It is noteworthy that already in 2010, they began to hint at the possible victory of the Russian C-300PMU2 complex. Obviously, as a result of the comparison, the Russian air defense system was considered the most convenient.

C-300PMU2


The confirmation of this choice could be considered the negotiations that began several years ago between the Turkish Ministry of Defense and Rosoboronexport. According to available data, among other things, the possible organization of joint production of anti-aircraft complexes in Turkish enterprises was discussed. Probably, such a version of the contract was especially convenient for Turkey, since under such conditions this country would receive many important technologies, thanks to which it could ensure the safety of its airspace in the future.

At about the same time that negotiations began with the Russian side, the Turkish Defense Ministry turned to the United States about possible supplies of the Patriot air defense system. According to some sources, and in this case, the Turks wanted to expand the production of missiles and combat vehicles at home. To date, Ankara has not been able to reach agreement on the supply of American anti-aircraft missile systems. Of course, last winter German and Dutch complexes were delivered to Turkey, but in this case we are talking about temporarily placing batteries on the border with unstable Syria, and not about selling.

Patriot SIRK


However, the United States still commented on the possible results of the Turkish tender. In the middle of 2011, they strongly advised Turkey not to buy Russian anti-aircraft systems. It is worth noting that this council had a certain basis. The fact is that Turkey is a member of NATO and most of its communications and command and control systems are built to meet the standards of the Alliance. C-300PMU2, in turn, was made in Russia and is simply not adapted for interaction with NATO systems. The United States warned Turkey about possible compatibility issues, and also hinted at a possible refusal to transmit data from the early warning radar of a missile attack, located in Kürerjik, on Turkish territory.

It is precisely those statements by US officials that can be considered the main cause of the slowdown and almost complete cessation of any progress around a possible contract. Turkey’s desire to obtain modern anti-aircraft systems with the necessary characteristics has come across the reluctance of its foreign partners to lose their benefits. As a result, the country was temporarily left without the necessary military equipment. The situation is aggravated by the fact that the Turkish military is compelled in any or almost any way to keep data transmission from the radar station in Kürerjik. Information from this station first arrives at the NATO operations center in Germany and only then goes to Turkey. The latter recently launched its own project of an anti-missile defense system and therefore needs radar warnings. The construction of own complexes of such purpose is not planned yet.

It’s also worth considering Washington’s silence about the possible sale of Patriot air defense systems. In connection with all these factors over the past year and a half there are no serious News regarding the tender. The composition of its participants has remained the same, and the timing of the contract is still controversial and not entirely clear. Probably, the Turkish military at one time really decided to buy exactly the S-300PMU2, but did not manage to conclude an agreement before the relevant statements by American officials. Now they have to choose with whom exactly to cooperate, and both options have their advantages.

The situation can be described as follows. Turkey seeks regional leadership, but is not yet able to implement its plans with help from others. Moreover, relations with foreign countries in some cases prevent it from fully implementing its policy. It is difficult to say now how the situation will change in the future and whether it will change at all. However, it can already be assumed that the tender for the supply of new air defense systems will be delayed even more. The details of the recent meeting have not yet been announced, and, most likely, there is simply nothing to read out. Therefore, officials and commanders of Turkey will have to once again analyze their capabilities and try to find a way out of a situation in which the losses will be minimal.


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  1. +4
    28 March 2013 08: 22
    Obviously, as a result of the comparison, the Russian air defense system was recognized as the most convenient
    It would be nice, the defense industry profit and probable friends kick
    When the conversation was about the delivery to Cyprus, the Turks yelled great. Now they themselves want to purchase
    And over bookmarks, I hope our specialists will try
    1. +14
      28 March 2013 08: 41
      Do not build false illusions - this tender is another Turkish scam, the same as with helicopters and tanks, according to the results of which nothing shines for us! I sincerely hope that the Turks and NATO have not learned any valuable information on our air defense systems. Why the heck play the role of stupid smiling extras in such "wiring"?
      1. Mikado
        +9
        28 March 2013 09: 09
        Everything is much more complicated here. When they organized this tender in 2009, it was assumed that not S-300, but S-400 would participate from Russia. I think all this was done under the auspices of the next CIA, which thus wanted to get it clear that, most likely, even someone in our defense industry was paid to push the S-400 to the tender. But something broke and ours sent a s-300. To the CIA experts, of course, this tender immediately ceased to be interesting, but the Turks did not need it, and now they don’t know how to get out of this situation.
        1. +1
          29 March 2013 04: 11
          Based on all this dance with the CIA, we can conclude that about nothing ( Turkey strives for regional leadership) leadership in the region is out of the question. A country for confrontation and concern of Russia. Neither does it draw on an independent power. Turkey, Israel, etc. in this region, puppets in the hands of the United States. Whipping boys in potential regional conflicts. The Caribbean crisis is proof of this.
  2. +10
    28 March 2013 08: 54
    Maybe we will stop arming potential opponents.
    1. Gari
      +2
      28 March 2013 12: 13
      More often than other countries and peoples, Turkey was the enemy of Russia on the battlefields: more than 30 times Russian troops fought against the Turkish army
      The last time Russia fought against Turkey at the beginning of the 20th century, the first world war in the South Caucasus.
      Turkey is Russia's traditional partner and even more traditional rival on the southern borders. The 70-million-strong country is a NATO member, and the Turkic and Muslim peoples of our country in general are the subject of Turkish courtship. With all the more concern, Russia should treat the strengthening of the power of the Turkish army, which is already one of the ten strongest on the planet.
      Today in Turkey, the army is the most organized, numerous and powerful state institution. The half-millionth Turkish army is the largest in numbers after the United States in the NATO military bloc. The Ministry of Defense of Turkey has five divisions in its composition: Air Force, Navy, Ground Forces, Gendarmerie, Coast Guard.
      The Turks are actively "courting" the representatives of the Muslim, especially the Turkic peoples of Russia. Turkey seeks to increase its influence in the Caucasus, Central Asia and Crimea. Finally, the Turkish army is one of the pillars of the NATO bloc with which Russia has friction.
      1. Yarbay
        +1
        28 March 2013 23: 22
        Quote: Gari
        More often than other countries and peoples, Turkey was the enemy of Russia on the battlefields: more than 30 times Russian troops fought against the Turkish army

        And why then do Armenians hate Russians ???
        couple of quotes from the Armenian forum


        http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=14923&st=3800&p=909007&#entry90900
        7


        http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1250&p=926813&#entry92681
        3


        http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1550&p=934158&#entry93415
        8
        1. Gari
          -1
          29 March 2013 10: 36
          Again stupid some forums, empty words
          1. 0
            29 March 2013 11: 00
            Quote: Yarbay
            And why then do Armenians hate Russians ???
            couple of quotes from the Armenian forum


            http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=14923&st=3800&p=909007&#entry90900

            7


            http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1250&p=926813&#entry92681

            3


            http://forum.hayastan.com/index.php?showtopic=41969&st=1550&p=934158&#entry93415


            This is a normal forum, with its USUAL provocateurs, who have nothing to do with Armenia, but are related to the US State Department.
            1. Yarbay
              +1
              29 March 2013 15: 44
              Quote: Setrac
              This is a normal forum, with its USUAL provocateurs, who have nothing to do with Armenia, but are related to the US State Department.

              This forum is one of the most visited in Armenia and abroad!
              What are you saying?))))
              And why over the years, none of the * right * Armenians answered * wrong *?))))
              I can give a dozen more links)))))))))
              1. 0
                31 March 2013 00: 09
                Quote: Yarbay
                And why over the years, none of the * right * Armenians answered * wrong *?))))
                I can give a dozen more links)))))))))

                You do not answer the wrong Azerbaijanis from the State Department!
      2. Yarbay
        +1
        29 March 2013 02: 25
        Quote: Gari
        Turkey is a traditional partner and even more traditional rival of Russia on the southern borders. 70 millionth country joins NATO

        At the Ministry of Emergency Situations of Armenia, the head of the rescue service of Armenia, Major General Sergey Azaryan received a delegation from the Kansas National Guard, which included an officer at the Armenia-Kansas bilateral relations department of the US embassy, ​​captain Aron Isaacson, Lt. Col. Armenia-Kansas bilateral relations, Brent Salmans and the program coordinator for bilateral relations of the military cooperation office of the embassy Ani Melkumyan, Armenian media reported.

        The main purpose of the meeting was to discuss issues related to the organization of the Armenian-American headquarters exercises in the summer in Yerevan, as well as continuing education courses for 911 emergency services. The head of the rescue service of Armenia Sergey Azaryan presented the work done to develop the crisis management center and the 911 service, noting that in the near future similar centers will be created in the regions of Armenia.

        Armenia-Kansas Lt. Col. Brent Salmans, welcoming the initiative, said: “We greatly appreciate the rapid development of the Ministry of Emergencies and are very happy about it. I think that the exercises planned for the summer will be a good opportunity to test the work of your newly formed crisis management center and the 911 service. We are also ready to assist in the organization of training exercises and continuing education courses. ”

        According to the agreements reached during the meeting, a training planning conference will be held on the conditional accident scenario of the Armenian nuclear power plant, to which representatives of all local and international structures participating in the exercises will be invited.
        1. Kaa
          +2
          29 March 2013 02: 35
          Quote: Yarbay
          Major General Sergey Azaryan received the delegation of the Kansas National Guard

          An American grant-eater? Or "both ours and yours"? - "08.11.2010 Armenia signed an agreement with the United States on cooperation in preventing the spread of technologies for the production of pathogens and testing of biological weapons"
          Cooperation with USA will help increase the level of biological safety in Armenia
          YEREVAN, Nov 3 - News-Armenia. Cooperation with the United States will help increase the level of biological safety of Armenia, Director of the Rescue Service of the Ministry of Emergencies of Armenia, Major General Sergey Azaryan said at the first meeting of the interagency Emergency Response Commission. “This cooperation will also contribute to improving the ability to counter biological terrorism, including at the legislative level,” Azaryan said.
          By the decision of the Government of Armenia on August 26, 2010, the conclusion of the agreement of the Ministry of Emergencies of Armenia with the US Department of Defense “On cooperation in the field of preventing the spread of production technologies, pathogens and testing biological weapons” was approved.
          According to Azaryan, the agreement concluded between the Ministry of Emergencies of Armenia and the US Department of Defense provides for the introduction of electronic systems for monitoring infectious patients, the improvement of diagnostic laboratories due to the latest technological advances, which will increase the professionalism of specialists in these laboratories.
          “An Office has already been created at the US Embassy in Armenia to support the implementation of a program to reduce biological threats, which once again proves how serious the United States takes this program,” said Azaryan, adding that the Armenian side is very passive in this area.
          “We must understand that the program to reduce biological threats is the most important factor for raising the level of national security of the country,” he said. http://www.bio.su/news/6506/
          1. Gari
            -1
            29 March 2013 10: 32
            Quote: Kaa
            American grant-eater? Or "both ours and yours"? - "08.11.2010/XNUMX/XNUMX
            Please clarify what this means.

            Armenia concluded an agreement with the USA “On cooperation in the field of preventing the spread of pathogen production technologies and testing biological weapons”
            Cooperation with USA will help increase the level of biological safety in Armenia

            Cooperation with the United States will help increase the level of biological safety of Armenia, Director of the Rescue Service of the Ministry of Emergencies of Armenia, Major General Sergey Azaryan said at the first meeting of the interagency Emergency Response Commission. “This cooperation will also contribute to improving the ability to counter biological terrorism, including at the legislative level,” Azaryan said
            what is the problem

            Russian Emergencies Minister Vladimir Puchkov met with the Armenian delegation led by Secretary of the National Security Council Artur Baghdasarya
            He noted that EMERCOM of Russia actively cooperates with Armenian colleagues. The minister also recalled that in the "hot" summer of 2010, Armenia helped Russia to extinguish large-scale wildfires in the Nizhny Novgorod region, in turn, the Russian Emergencies Ministry also helps Armenia.

            EMERCOM of Russia together with the Armenian side will actively develop technologies for monitoring and preventing earthquakes and tsunamis.
            On October 6, 2012, a meeting between the Minister of Emergencies of Russia Vladimir Puchkov and the Minister of Emergencies of Armenia Armen Yeritsyan was held, during which a Protocol of Intent was signed on the establishment of the Russian-Armenian Center for Humanitarian Response, designed to ensure and
            humanitarian emergency response tasks.
            in September 2012, a joint exercise of the Collective Rapid Reaction Force of the Collective Security Treaty Organization “Interaction - 2012” was held on the territory of the Republic of Armenia with the involvement of personnel of the Armed Forces of the CSTO member states, the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Russian Emergencies Ministry. In 2010, Armenia assisted in extinguishing large-scale natural fires that swept the territory of Russia. Russia has repeatedly provided significant humanitarian assistance to Armenia. In addition, 4 students from the Ministry of Emergencies of Armenia are currently studying at the educational institutions of the Ministry of Emergencies of Russia.
      3. heavy tank
        0
        29 March 2013 11: 10
        Yes, I agree with the future. Perhaps the Turkish army will again fight for the south of Russia. But I consider the War of the Turkish Army with Israel even more possible.
        1. 0
          29 March 2013 20: 07
          Quote: heavytank
          War of the Turkish armies with Israel
          It’s unlikely that Uncle Sam will not allow them. He will scold and put in a corner
  3. +10
    28 March 2013 09: 14
    interesting to Iran and Syria denied in the 300s and Turkey can. what are these friends? forgot Chechnya? where the militants warmed up and were treated! and hijacking with the killing of stewardesses and a haven for hijackers? massacre in Armenia and so on and so forth. Throughout history, Turkey has been and remains an enemy in the south and does everything that is bad for Russia. Is it really possible to sell and forget all this for American waste paper? really involuntarily think: who is in the Kremlin?
  4. 120352
    0
    28 March 2013 09: 51
    Perhaps it’s time for the Turks to return to Turkmenistan ...
  5. +5
    28 March 2013 10: 00
    The history of our relations with Turkey, from a very long time ago, suggests that the Turks are FALSE and unreliable!
    They always have a stone in the bosom for Russia.
    1. Hudo
      +7
      28 March 2013 10: 17
      Quote: omsbon
      They always have a stone in the bosom for Russia.


      Stone, that's good. Do not have to knit on the neck. You can say you're ready to dive.
    2. Gari
      +4
      28 March 2013 12: 29
      In World War I, it was on the side of the Germans, they fought in the Caucasus against Russia, after the revolution they supported the Bolsheviks, then they betrayed them, before the Second World War they supported the Germans, but they were not put in the war, after the war they went over to the side of America against the USSR
      1. Hudo
        +2
        28 March 2013 13: 43
        Quote: Gari
        supported the Germans, but they were betrayed in the war did not set foot


        In 1945, the Turkish ambassador kissed the boots of Joseph Vissarionitch, swore eternal allegiance that Comrade Stalin would not occupy the European part of Turkey ... Such a people ...
      2. the gray wolf
        -6
        28 March 2013 14: 12
        your nose is visible from afar wassat
        1. Hudo
          +6
          28 March 2013 14: 19
          If you are sir, these things are addressed to me, I dare you to notice that you are very badly brought up.
          By the way, I am a Don Cossack, so go, you, Mr. Shibkozorkiy Turkophile to ... Ankara.
          1. Gari
            +2
            28 March 2013 16: 40
            While in Moscow, Napoleon interrogated a captive, wounded Cossack and asked him: how could the war against Russia started if the Cossack units were in the ranks of the French army. Donets grinned: “Then, the French emperor would have been a Chinese emperor long ago.”
            “A happy commander who has Cossacks. If I had an army from some Cossacks, I would subdue all of Europe. ”
            “We need to give justice to the Cossacks, - it was they who brought the success of Russia in this campaign. Cossacks are the best light troops among all existing ones. If I had them in my army, I would have passed with them the whole world. ”

            Napoleon

            And the Cossack brothers were always with their co-religionists Armenians
            1. Yarbay
              -2
              29 March 2013 15: 50
              Quote: Gari
              And the Cossack brothers were always with their co-religionists Armenians


              ... For three days, a convoy of four vehicles of the 21st separate air assault brigade was in Leninakan on the territory of the 127th motorized rifle division. The paratroopers arrived in the division from Kutaisi to receive hardware N-18 and space communications equipment. The issue with the district was agreed. However, they were not expected in the division. The equipment was unprepared for transmission. This became clear to Captain A. Klimko, the elder of the column, on July 7, immediately upon arrival. After his report to the district headquarters - to the division, to Leninakan, Lieutenant Colonel A. Krotko urgently left.
              He arrived on July 8th. On the same day, Klimko, having examined the transmitted equipment, refused to accept it. It had to be understaffed. Nevertheless, the officers, after coordinating the issues with the district headquarters, decided to transport the equipment to Tbilisi, repair it, and then hand it over to the paratroopers.

              We were not afraid of the roads, since the military guard of the convoy was strong: two Ural vehicles with ZU-23-2 anti-aircraft guns installed in bodies. In combat crews are paratroopers. In total - 15 people. We decided not to linger in the division. But neither on July 8 nor July 9 could the column leave the division. It was as if someone wanted her out as late as possible.
              Already on July 9, in the morning, the paratroopers were accused of allegedly stole a gas unit from one of the vehicles. They began to understand, it turns out - not involved. However, already about 17 hours on the way out of the division installed BMP. As explained, supposedly for protection at night. Meanwhile, according to the very same officers of the division, security was always exhibited at about 21 hours.

              For Leninakan they took the path to Georgia. It was raining. At the 20th kilometer of the highway, Armenian fighters blocked the road to the column. With screams, abuse, gunfire, they rushed to the cars. In response, over their heads, the anti-aircraft gun responded. The attackers fell out and immediately changed their anger to mercy. They shouted: “Do not shoot, do not shoot, we are your brothers!” The column stood up. (these are the usual methods of the Armenian fascists. from me)

              The oldest fidain, Mikael Vardanyan, said that the convoy would not be released from Armenia. In case of resistance, the paratroopers will be destroyed. They will destroy it because the convoy takes out the equipment from the Kirovakan division, and it was transferred to Armenia. To the objection of Klimko and Krotko that equipment from the 127th division and Armenia should not be transferred, he suggested returning to the division and sorting it out. At the same time, when asked by Klimko about the safety and security of equipment, Vardanyan assured that everything will be in order and no one will touch the paratroopers

              The column turned back to Leninakan. In the cab of each car sat one armed fidain. One of those who sat at Krotko turned out to be talkative. From him it became known that fighters with grenade launchers are expected to continue on the rise, "and if we had not stopped here, they would have shot us at the pass."

              When the convoy entered Leninakan, the road to the division headquarters was blocked by a Kirovets truck crane and tractor. To the question of Klimko - “What is happening?” - Vardanyan replied that everything is fine, the convoy goes to the headquarters of the fidaines. As soon as the convoy stopped at the headquarters, two KamAZ trucks blocked it from two sides.
              1. Yarbay
                0
                29 March 2013 15: 53
                At the headquarters of the Fidaines, it was decided to go to the headquarters of the division. Captain Klimko recalls: “... I, Krotko, Mikael and two other people sat in the Zhiguli. I was surprised that we were all quietly allowed into the division and the headquarters. Mikael greeted the hand with the operational duty and staff duty officer. On the second floor, I jokingly asked Mikael if he had found an office here. He answered me that not yet. Colonel Babkin greeted the officers with the hand, but didn’t even give us a hand. Mikael informed Babkin that they had arrested the convoy, and inquired whether this convoy belonged to the equipment of the Leninakan division. Babkin answered in the affirmative. Vardanyan called to Yerevan, after which he informed us that in an hour and a half, the representative of the Armenian Ministry of Defense would arrive. We returned to the headquarters of the Fidaines.

                Soon, vodka and bread appeared on the table. Vardanyan invited officers and warrant officers to the table. The Armenians insisted on drinking for the dead in Nagorno-Karabakh. We drank only 50-70 grams. And then only 5-6 people. All the rest remained with the cars. Drinking in the throat did not go. The situation was ambiguous. On the one hand - vodka, and on the other - during the feast, fidaines on the street twice tried to take away weapons from paratroopers.
                At about 17 p.m., the Deputy Minister of Defense of Armenia, Major General Abrahamyan, arrived at the headquarters. Krotko reported to him that the communications equipment had been received at the Leninakan division for repair and sorting in Tbilisi. Having cut off Krotko, Abrahamyan said that he had been in this "skin" (the Armed Forces of the USSR) for 34 years and was sure that the equipment was actually exported at the direction of Moscow and precisely from the parts that should be transferred to Armenia. At the request of the general, Babkin immediately arrived and confirmed that the equipment was from his division, and the "shilka" (ZU-23-2) belong to the paratroopers.

                From the testimonies of Krotko AG: “Abrahamyan told me that I have two options: to give the N-18 and R-440 to the Kirovakan or Leninakan divisions. I chose the second. Then he declared that paratroopers with U-23-2 would go with him to Yerevan, where he would check if the "shilka" were taken from units of the 7th Guards Army. Klimko objected to him that this could also be clarified by telephone. And Shapovalov categorically stated that he would not give up his equipment and weapons and, if necessary, would fight to the last bullet. To this, Abrahamyan replied that he would then disarm all the paratroopers and send them by train to Kutaisi. In addition, Abrahamyan invited Shapovalov to give an official paper from the Armenian government, which would say that the weapons and ZU-23-2 installations were legally seized.
                But General Shapovalov did not accept this proposal either, saying that no document would justify him before the command for surrendering weapons, and reaffirmed that he would not give up equipment and weapons under any circumstances. ”
                1. Yarbay
                  0
                  29 March 2013 15: 55
                  At about 18 p.m. a convoy escorted by armed fidaines left Leninakan. From the testimony of A. Klimko: “Immediately outside the city, the ErAZ car with armed fidaines, policemen overtook the convoy and stopped. The column also arose. To my question to the policeman about what happened, he replied that everything was fine, there was no need to worry. I examined the convoy and made sure that there was no car with a space communications station and a car with ZU-23-2 with the elder Shapovalov. Immediately after the convoy stopped, the militants lined up along the convoy, making ready for firing. But they didn’t open fire. After 20-30 minutes, many cars with armed militants drove in. We were all ordered to get out of the cars without weapons and go to the middle of the column with arms raised.

                  The Fidaines screamed, cursed, and then they all started screaming that our "Ural" crushed a child. Here, we began to take off warm clothes. They took off my jacket. Then a fidain named Armen came up to me and took my bayonet-knife from a carbine. I saw blood on his wrist. He asked if I knew whose blood it was. I answered no, and then he cried out that I supposedly would find out soon. The militants said that if someone jerks, they will shoot everyone on the spot. And then one of the fidaines asked me who Zykin is. It turned out that the brigade commander Colonel Maryin got in touch with me. I reported by telephone that the convoy had been detained and was heading to Yerevan. Maryin asked me to tell the militants that our team helped them after the earthquake. I said that. But fidain, swearing, said that he did not care, it was all in the past, but now is a different time.(here is the face of Armenian fascism)

                  On the central square, 5-7 thousand people gathered. The paratroopers were thrown out of the cars. A little more ... But the police chief, Colonel Galstyan, intervened. At his direction, the paratroopers were sent to the headquarters of the Leninakan division, which by that time had been raised "by alarm." The division already knew that five paratroopers of Russian troops were killed. Lieutenant A. Shapovalov, sergeants O. Yudintsev, E. Poddubnyak, privates N. Maslennikov and M. Karpov were killed.

                  Without forensic and other examinations, it was difficult to count on establishing the truth. With great difficulty, we managed to convince the Armenian side to provide weapons to the dead. They agreed. But they issued only one AKC assault rifle No. 1205287 with a damaged gas chamber lid. In his chamber was a fired cartridge case. They shot, they say, the paratroopers from the machine gun. In confirmation of this, they drove the UAZ-469 car No. ADZ 10-38. There are 4 holes on it. Someone A. Chakhoyan stated that it was this machine that was used by the Armenian military on July 10, accompanied by the Urals with 5 paratroopers.
                  Experts examined Ural No. 43202 with an anti-aircraft gun on board. A total of 216 gunshot injuries. According to experts: “... on the left side there are 23 damage, on the right side 26 ... in the area of ​​the right door 8, on the left side - 13 through holes, on the roof of the cabin - 9 ... Weapons of 2 calibres - 5,45 mm and 7,62 mm were used . It could be AK-74 assault rifles, RPK-74 light machine guns, AK-47, AKM assault rifles. Shots were fired at the vehicle from three directions - from the left, from the right, from above. ”
                  1. Yarbay
                    0
                    29 March 2013 15: 58
                    Given the direction of bullet holes in the UAZ-469 car, experts and investigators came to the conclusion that it should have moved almost parallel to the Urals at the moment of firing. Because of the width of the carriageway for UAZ, such a place could only be a sidewalk. But the sidewalk was excluded because in this case, the fire on the right of their own, Armenian militants would smash the UAZ to shreds. One can make an unambiguous conclusion: UAZ, submitted for examination - “fake”, is not the same as it was on July 10.

                    The same with the sleeve for the AKC assault rifle. From the conclusion of the examination: “... The sleeve presented for the study was shot not in the machine gun AKS-74 No. 1204287, but in another machine gun. The traces of the details of the weapons on the sleeve indicate that the shot sleeve presented for research after the shot was removed by a bolt from the chamber and vigorously thrown out of the machine. ” That is, someone inserted a sleeve into the chamber, after which the machine was transferred to investigators. So step by step, dumb witnesses refuted the position of the Armenian militants.

                    And where is the 3-year-old girl that the paratroopers crushed by car? She was not found anywhere. She simply was not there.

                    In addition to the dumb, there were living witnesses. Ensign Hionidi I. recalls: “They dropped us off on the square, I saw our Ural standing at the edge, hitting a pole. It was a sieve. ZU (anti-aircraft mount) was in the stowed position, hanging from the side of the tape with cartridges. I realized that there were no shots. They (the militants. - Note. Auth.), See, pulled out the box, but they couldn’t lower the trunks, and probably they didn’t have a specialist ... We ourselves later saw trunks and a bolt at the charger. The bolt was lubricated, and the trunks in the dust. When driving along the road, naturally, dust could get there ... "
                    Another witness, a serviceman, testified that, having heard the shots, he jumped out into the street. I saw how the shot Ural rolled silently until it came across a pole. It became quiet. No one showed up from the car. At this time, fidain came out of the building of the former city committee with a machine gun in his hands. Putting the muzzle of the machine gun to his lips, like a real cowboy, he blew away soot, threw the machine gun over his shoulder and went to the car with a sense of accomplishment ...

                    As witnesses showed, the convoy from Leninakan went to Yerevan, as required by Major General Abrahamyan. There was no other intention. Shapovalov with the paratroopers was catching up with the convoy. Without the full complement of his military guard and convoy, he would not return to Kutaisi.

                    This and a number of other evidence in the case completely refute the allegations of Abrahamyan and Vardanyan. The paratroopers did not crush anyone. They were not going to hide from anyone.
                    Apparently, Abrahamyan will never tell the truth. Undoubtedly, he, a man who has served in the Soviet Army for more than 30 years, and Vardanyan, in the recent past, a puppet theater artist, are the main authors of the script for the death of paratroopers. They developed the script clearly. Shapovalov did not give them ZU-23-2. And they needed them desperately. Why not get near ?! For this purpose, they needed to break the convoy, or rather, cars with anti-aircraft mounts. And they did it.
                    1. Yarbay
                      0
                      29 March 2013 16: 02
                      First they killed Shapovalov and four paratroopers, they were well prepared. They cleared the area from random passers-by. Witnesses later explained that when the convoy drove around the central square of the city at about 18 p.m. there was nobody on it. Abramyan and Vardanyan wanted to “sentence” all the rest out of town. Yes, they decided to deepen and complicate the scenario somewhat - let the crowd tear apart the paratroopers better. From whom then will you ask? .. But ... But there was a misfire. Witnesses survived.

                      By any means, Abrahamyan and Vardanyan tried to distort the truth, to create a misconception about what happened on July 10 in the central square of the city. With their lies they confused their own press. The “Voice of Armenia” newspaper No. 61 dated July 14 says: “... Without any warning, practically in the central part of the city, those who tried to escape opened fire on the car that followed them. From there they were forced to return fire. As a result of the tragic incident, 5 soldiers from the group of kidnappers died, three were killed and two law enforcement officers were injured, three were killed and four civilians were wounded. ”
                      On the same day, an interview with M. Vardanyan was published in the Azatamart newspaper No. 10: “... On the road in front of the City Council building, the closing machine lagged behind the convoy. The senior lieutenant sitting in it ordered the soldiers to open fire from ZSU-2 double-barreled machine guns and machine guns at the soldiers of the self-defense forces following the convoy. Our guys immediately surrounded the area, removed people from there and demanded that the soldiers cease fire. However, they continued to shoot. Self-defense fighters were forced to return fire. The shootout lasted 10-15 minutes. During her two sergeants, two privates and one officer died on the spot. It turned out that the equipment was stolen and tried to be taken out of the republic, probably for sale ... The military were drunk. A broken vodka bottle was discovered in the pocket of the murdered lieutenant. Two of our guys were injured. ”

                      Vardanyan lied. He was well aware that there were no casualties from the Armenian side. He knew that not the paratroopers opened fire, but the militants.

                      The surviving paratroopers were again brought to the ill-fated 121st Leninakan Division. There they learned that among their comrades were four killed and one wounded. However, after fifteen minutes, it turned out that all five were killed. Here, many of them decided that the word "chalet" (translated into Russian - "kill", "finish off"), uttered by General Abrahamyan after Leninakan, on the highway, refers to one of the five paratroopers. Apparently, someone else was alive.

                      In the evening, July 10, they were invited to dinner for the first time since they were in the division. But they refused: "We will not sit down at the table at the traitors." The paratroopers also answered the next day to General A. Nikolaev, who had arrived in connection with what had happened from the district headquarters. At that time, commander Babkin was standing nearby. He stood and was silent ...
                      1. Yarbay
                        -1
                        29 March 2013 16: 05
                        A day later, the 21st separate airborne assault brigade of the Russian airborne forces said goodbye to the dead. Goodbye forever. A. Shapovalov was taken to Ukraine, to the Dnepropetrovsk region. O. Yudintseva, N. Maslennikova, E. Poddubnyak, M. Karpova - to Russia. In the ranks, with the banner of the unit lowered, there were paratroopers - healthy, strong men. They stood and could not hold back tears. They cried, clutching their arms, cursing the fate that brought them to the places where they were being killed from around the corner. "
                        This is not the first and far from the only treachery of the Armenians against the Russian paratroopers. There are plenty of examples, and one of the most striking is the unequal battle of the senior lieutenant Igor Yulpatov’s parachute assault company with the Armenian militants in Nagorno-Karabakh. Over 6 hours, a company of paratroopers reflected the attacks of Armenian militants, who had a huge numerical superiority. But the murder of the Russian paratroopers who participated in the rescue of the victims of the December 1988 earthquake is the height of human meanness ... [center] [/ center]
                        These are the brothers in faith!
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          2. Gari
            0
            28 March 2013 16: 40
            While in Moscow, Napoleon interrogated a captive, wounded Cossack and asked him: how could the war against Russia started if the Cossack units were in the ranks of the French army. Donets grinned: “Then, the French emperor would have been a Chinese emperor long ago.”
            “A happy commander who has Cossacks. If I had an army from some Cossacks, I would subdue all of Europe. ”
            “We need to give justice to the Cossacks, - it was they who brought the success of Russia in this campaign. Cossacks are the best light troops among all existing ones. If I had them in my army, I would have passed with them the whole world. ”

            Napoleon

            And the Cossack brothers were always with their co-religionists Armenians
    3. ed65b
      -1
      28 March 2013 15: 10
      Fully agree with you. hi
      1. not good
        0
        31 March 2013 16: 40
        The militants have no nationality, recent conflicts have clearly proved this. For now, Armenia is trying to follow the mainstream of Russian politics, while there are enough problems with Azerbaijan, and non-Armenian officers are studying at Turkish military academies, and Turkey is not friends with Turkey
  6. +8
    28 March 2013 10: 42
    From the Turks, we need only one control over the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles.
    Friends of them are like a member of a hammer.
  7. -1
    28 March 2013 11: 22
    The most logical solution for Turkey would be the purchase of the European MEADS air defense system, and the United States will arrange Europe as well.
  8. +4
    28 March 2013 12: 01
    And this situation suits me, even if Turkey remains without both our and other people's air defense systems.
  9. Gari
    +7
    28 March 2013 12: 33
    After the Crimean conference, which was held on February 2 - 9, 1945 in Yalta, Stalin instructed members of the Politburo Anastas Mikoyan and Georgy Malenkov to develop and submit proposals for post-war reconstruction of Turkey for discussion. In particular, the Armenians - citizens of the USSR, communists - fully staffed the states of the district and city party committees of the party, which had to form the backbone of administrative power in the Turkish cities liberated by the Red Army at the first stage. Of particular importance was the capture of Istanbul and the return to it of the historical name Constantinople, which the city received in honor of its founder, the Roman Emperor Constantine I the Great, in 324, as well as the establishment of full control over shipping in the Bosphorus and Dardanelles. Turkey was supposed to be transformed into one of the countries of people's democracy, although inclusion of it, naturally, on the basis of the free will of Turkish workers and peasants, into one of the republics within the USSR was not ruled out.
    During the negotiations in Potsdam in July 1945, Stalin insistently demanded to transfer part of the Italian fleet, which was assigned to the Soviet Union for reparations, until August 1, 1945. Such a rush somewhat puzzled the Western allies. Everything was clarified after the report of American intelligence to President Truman. It said that in Georgia, Armenia and Iranian Tabriz, there is an ever-increasing redeployment of Red Army units and their advance to the Turkish border. In addition, American intelligence officers reported that at the industrial facilities, transport and communications enterprises in cities in eastern Turkey, increased sabotage activity of Armenian and Kurdish rebels was noted.
    Now, the rush of Stalin with a part of the Italian fleet was clear. Having entered the Bosporus and Dardanelles, warships could provide support from the west to advancing units of the Red Army from the east, shell Istanbul and provide for landing there. By the way, the Soviet planners did not come up with anything new. Back in 1916 - 1917 such plans were developed by Admiral Kolchak, in the summer of 1917 a large landing was being prepared in the Istanbul area, but the operation was disrupted by the July Bolshevik demonstration in Petrograd. In 1946 and 1947 Stalin asked the Allies that Turkey should return the territory of Western Armenia to the USSR. But of course, they did not receive support from them. Including because Turkey in the winter of 1945 nevertheless declared war on Germany and therefore was considered one of the victorious countries.
    The US intelligence report dispelled the last doubts of the American president. Only an atomic bomb could stop Stalin, and Truman ordered the bombing of Japanese cities to be prepared. At the same time, the problem of the early withdrawal of Japan from the war was resolved.
    1. 0
      April 23 2013 10: 49
      +100500 is simple. You have opened my eyes to many things!
  10. sprsnc
    +1
    28 March 2013 14: 22
    Quote: omsbon
    The history of our relations with Turkey, from a very long time ago, suggests that the Turks are FALSE and unreliable!
    They always have a stone in the bosom for Russia.

    such they are and worked in Istanbul for two years, saw everything with my own eyes.
    1. Yarbay
      0
      28 March 2013 23: 20
      Quote: sprsnc
      such they are and worked in Istanbul for two years, saw everything with my own eyes.

      Well, yes, many of you would do it in relation to your neighbor, even !! ???
      And she did it for a Russian !!!!
      The state is also helping her now !!
      1. Anti
        +3
        28 March 2013 23: 45
        Wonderful woman! An excellent family, of which there are many in Russia, may the Creator reward everyone deservedly. Ordinary people will always find the opportunity to live in peace with each other regardless of nationality. All evil is from politicians who incite them, and their media support, which takes place on this site.
        1. Yarbay
          +3
          29 March 2013 00: 16
          Quote: Anti
          Wonderful woman! An excellent family, of which there are many in Russia, may the Creator reward everyone deservedly.

          here we think alike !!
  11. +1
    28 March 2013 18: 25
    Joke.
    A man comes to a disco in Turkey, on his jacket, on the back the inscription: "The Turks have three problems." The Turks immediately come up and begin to bend their fingers, they say, what do you have against us, let's go out.
    Man: -This is your first problem, to arrange disassembly for no reason and from scratch.
    It turns out that about a dozen Turks fall out.
    -Second problem. Where one person can figure it out, you gather a crowd.
    The Turks grab the knives, and yell that they say they will cut it.
    A man unbuttons his jacket and takes out "Stechkin"
    -And this is your third problem.
    P.S. A couple of years ago, there was a story in the news, as in Turkey at the crossroads they found a makeshift explosive device. I was very surprised when several people jumped up to him and started picking at him. Jumped after locating and cordoning off a place . So the second problem really exists. The device banged.
  12. +3
    28 March 2013 18: 26
    Joke.
    A man comes to a disco in Turkey, on his jacket, on the back the inscription: "The Turks have three problems." The Turks immediately come up and begin to bend their fingers, they say, what do you have against us, let's go out.
    Man: -This is your first problem, to arrange disassembly for no reason and from scratch.
    It turns out that about a dozen Turks fall out.
    -Second problem. Where one person can figure it out, you gather a crowd.
    The Turks grab the knives, and yell that they say they will cut it.
    A man unbuttons his jacket and takes out "Stechkin"
    -And this is your third problem.
    P.S. A couple of years ago, there was a story in the news, like in Turkey, at the crossroads, I don’t remember the city, they discovered a makeshift explosive device. I was very surprised when several people jumped up to him and started picking at him. Jumped after locating and cordoning off a place . So the second problem really exists. The device banged.
  13. not good
    -1
    28 March 2013 22: 56
    Or he can offer the Turks to build a radar station that it’s time to disassemble in Gabala, and to load the s-300 into the load. And take the radar for service for denyuzhku and receive data from it.
    1. 0
      29 March 2013 00: 26
      Quote: Negoro
      Or he can offer the Turks to build a radar station that it’s time to disassemble in Gabala, and to load the s-300 into the load. And take the radar for service for denyuzhku and receive data from it.

      Exactly! And in a place with construction debris, you can take out from Turkey those two dozen American warheads that they have. good smile
      1. Gari
        0
        29 March 2013 10: 35
        Armenian authorities are ready to provide their territory for the construction of the Russian radar, said Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan. (04.04.2012)

        "Of course. If our territory is of such interest, we are ready to discuss this issue, ”Sargsyan said in an interview with Kommersant newspaper.
        Even offered on Mount Aragats

        Answering a question about the radius of the station, he emphasized that coverage could be wider than that of the Gabala radar. “There may even be advantages here, since Armenia is a mountainous country. Coverage may be wider, ”he said. As the newspaper VZGLYAD reported, on March 6, Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Ryabkov said that Russia and Azerbaijan were close to the end of negotiations on renting a radar station in Gabala.

        Recall, at the end of February, the Kommersant newspaper wrote that negotiations between Russia and Azerbaijan to extend the agreement on the use of the Gabala radar station were stalled due to the proposed rent.
        1. +2
          29 March 2013 13: 54
          Quote: Gari
          Armenian authorities are ready to provide their territory for the construction of the Russian radar

          ))) I’ve joked, isn’t it clear? Just Negoro’s proposal seemed to me somewhat optimistic. smile
          1. mansur
            0
            29 March 2013 20: 45
            Armenian authorities are ready to provide their territory for the construction of the Russian radar, said Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan. (04.04.2012)

            "Of course. If our territory is of such interest, we are ready to discuss this issue, ”Sargsyan said in an interview with Kommersant newspaper.
            Even offered on Mount Aragats
            and this is exactly the way it is
    2. Gari
      0
      29 March 2013 10: 37
      Armenian authorities are ready to provide their territory for the construction of the Russian radar, said Prime Minister Tigran Sargsyan.

      "Of course. If our territory is of such interest, we are ready to discuss this issue, ”Sargsyan said in an interview with Kommersant newspaper.

      Answering a question about the radius of the station, he emphasized that coverage could be wider than that of the Gabala radar. “There may even be advantages here, since Armenia is a mountainous country. Coverage may be wider, ”he said. As the newspaper VZGLYAD reported, on March 6, Russian Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs Sergey Ryabkov said that Russia and Azerbaijan were close to the end of negotiations on renting a radar station in Gabala.

      Recall, at the end of February, the Kommersant newspaper wrote that negotiations between Russia and Azerbaijan to extend the agreement on the use of the Gabala radar station were stalled due to the proposed rent.
  14. 0
    29 March 2013 07: 12
    I don't understand what Rosoboronexport is catching in Turkey. Turkey is one of the NATO member countries and the purchase of weapons systems, especially such complex and high-tech ones as modern air defense systems, from its potential adversary does not at all fit into the policy of purchasing weapons by NATO countries. This Serdyukov could afford to buy weapons and military equipment from a potential enemy, because such purchases had a very beneficial effect on the standard of living of both himself and his "chicken coop". And the West has not been led to such chaff for a long time, tk. understands if it happens that all this technique immediately or after a short time will turn into a heap of metal rubbish. And it’s good if it doesn’t start shooting or exploding in the hands of the service personnel. But he will start, then don't go to the fortune-teller. And the most interesting thing is that neither the United States nor NATO makes a special secret from the above-mentioned policy. All fundamental documents are published on the internet and you just need to find them and read them carefully. Maybe I wouldn't have to go to some arms exhibitions. After all, participation in such exhibitions costs the participants a pretty penny.
  15. 0
    29 March 2013 07: 17
    I don't understand what Rosoboronexport is catching in Turkey. Turkey is one of the NATO member countries and the purchase of weapons systems, especially such complex and high-tech ones as modern air defense systems, from its potential adversary does not at all fit into the policy of purchasing weapons by NATO countries. This Serdyukov could afford to buy weapons and military equipment from a potential enemy, because such purchases had a very beneficial effect on the standard of living of both himself and his "chicken coop". And the West has not been led to such chaff for a long time, tk. understands if it happens that all this technique will immediately or after a short time turn into a heap of metal rubbish. And it’s good if it doesn’t start shooting or exploding in the hands of the service personnel. But he will start, then don't go to the fortune-teller. And the most interesting thing is that neither the United States nor NATO makes a special secret from the above-mentioned policy. All fundamental documents are published on the internet and you just need to find them and read them carefully.
  16. +3
    29 March 2013 07: 17
    I don't understand what Rosoboronexport is catching in Turkey. Turkey is one of the NATO member countries and the purchase of weapons systems, especially such complex and high-tech ones as modern air defense systems, from its potential adversary does not at all fit into the policy of purchasing weapons by NATO countries. This Serdyukov could afford to buy weapons and military equipment from a potential enemy, because such purchases had a very beneficial effect on the standard of living of both himself and his "chicken coop". And the West has not been led to such chaff for a long time, tk. understands if it happens that all this technique will immediately or after a short time turn into a heap of metal rubbish. And it’s good if it doesn’t start shooting or exploding in the hands of the service personnel. But he will start, then don't go to the fortune-teller. And the most interesting thing is that neither the United States nor NATO makes a special secret from the above-mentioned policy. All fundamental documents are published on the internet and you just need to find them and read them carefully.
  17. 0
    29 March 2013 07: 18
    Sorry for the inadvertent repetition of the post. Internet is lagging

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