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Azerbaijani modification of the BTR-70M with the module "Shimshek"

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Azerbaijani modification of the BTR-70M with the module "Shimshek"



Azerbaijan has developed its own version of the modernization of the Soviet armored personnel carrier BTR-70. Together with the specialists of the state enterprise “Nikolaev Repair and Mechanical Plant” (Ukraine) and the South African company EWT and the engineers of the Baki instrument-making plant, the BTR-70M modification with the Shimshek combat module (Şimşək) was created.



On the BTR-70M, new navigation devices integrated into the GLONASS-GPS system, digital communications, air conditioning were installed. They also equipped the machine with anti-mine bottom and seats, and to protect the crew from splinters, the inner surface of the armor was covered with Kevlar.



The armored personnel carrier also received a new Simshek combat module (in translation - lightning). The Simshek combat module, developed jointly by the South African company EWT, was installed. The module can be equipped with 23-mm or 30-mm automatic cannon. The module itself is based on the Predator II, which is an uninhabited tower designed for fully automated deployment of a heavy machine gun and light gun.

The module is designed to maximize provide information about the battlefield to the operator in real time at any time of the day. The turret has an 30-mm cannon and an 7,62 caliber machine gun paired with it.
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  1. domokl
    domokl 28 March 2013 06: 47 New
    +3
    In principle, the car turned out not bad ... On fish without fish and cancer ... Firepower is higher, and the Soviet chassis, just worked out in full and reliable ...
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 March 2013 23: 33 New
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      Quote: domokl

      In principle, the car turned out to be not bad ... On fish without fish and cancer ... Firepower is higher, and the Soviet undercarriage has been fully developed and reliable ..

      I agree, for a start it’s not bad!
  2. OTAKE
    OTAKE 28 March 2013 06: 55 New
    +3
    And so it is necessary to gradually bring all Soviet equipment into order, quite at the level
  3. BARKAS
    BARKAS 28 March 2013 07: 01 New
    +1
    Putting the gun barrel in a hard case is still a good idea for the developers, for sure this will increase the accuracy of fire for our builders; perhaps it’s also worth considering this.
  4. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2013 07: 19 New
    +3
    Oh, that Azerbaijan has been very active in the "defense" sphere, and even soon the next step will be - the solution of the Karabakh problem ...
    1. Gari
      Gari 28 March 2013 10: 07 New
      +5
      Most of the troops of the former Soviet Army in the Caucasus were in Azerbaijan. As a result of the division of Soviet military property, the 4th Combined Arms Army (four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla were transferred to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan also got all the ammunition depots (strategic in Kilazi, district in Agdam and Pump, divisions in Gyuzdek, Ganja, Lenkoran, Nakhichevan). The total amount of ammunition in these depots is estimated at 11 wagons. The transfer of military equipment of the 000th Army and the 4th Arsenal was completed in 49. The withdrawal of parts of the former Soviet Army to Russia was accompanied by the seizure of part of the armaments by the Azerbaijani side. Among the most significant are the looting of military property of the 1992th Air Defense Army

      In Karabakh, in 1992, the Armenian armed forces seized part of the arms of the 366th motorized rifle regiment of the 23rd motorized division of the 4th, which came under the control of Azerbaijan.

      The division of the military property of the former ZakVO in Armenia was the most civilized.
      Of all the states of Transcaucasia, when dividing military property, Armenia was in the most disadvantaged position, since the smallest number of troops of the Transcaucasian military district was on its territory.
      In 1992, the arms and military equipment of two of the three divisions (15th and 164th) of the 7th combined arms army of the former USSR, as well as about 500 ammunition wagons, were transferred under the control of Yerevan [21].

      From aviation in early 1992 Azerbaijan got 14 Mi-24 and 9 Mi-8, based on the base of Sangachal. Armenia inherited a squadron of 13 Mi-24s, previously owned by the 7th helicopter regiment, located near Yerevan.

      http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/карабахская война

      Quote: svp67
      Oh, that Azerbaijan has been very active in the "defense" sphere, and even soon the next step will be - the solution of the Karabakh problem ...

      With such an overwhelming superiority in all types of weapons, they have already decided once
      1. gabatikuk
        gabatikuk 28 March 2013 23: 29 New
        +3
        That’s the whole truth !!! good
      2. gabatikuk
        gabatikuk 28 March 2013 23: 29 New
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        That’s the whole truth !!! good
      3. gabatikuk
        gabatikuk 28 March 2013 23: 30 New
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        That’s the whole truth !!! good
      4. Yarbay
        Yarbay 28 March 2013 23: 34 New
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        [quote = Gari]
        With such an overwhelming superiority in all types of weapons, they have already decided once [/ quote]
        [quote = Gari]
        I wrote a lot about this !!
        Nothing this time we'll see)))))))))
        1. Gari
          Gari 29 March 2013 10: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Yarbay
          Nothing this time we'll see)))))))))


          Look, look, but not on this site, here are all the heroes that they were then
      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 March 2013 08: 42 New
        -1
        Quote: Gari
        The division of the military property of the former ZakVO in Armenia was the most civilized.

        On the central square, 5-7 thousand people gathered. The paratroopers were thrown out of the cars. A little more ... But the police chief, Colonel Galstyan, intervened. At his direction, the paratroopers were sent to the headquarters of the Leninakan division, which by that time had been raised "by alarm." The division already knew that five paratroopers of Russian troops were killed. Lieutenant A. Shapovalov, sergeants O. Yudintsev, E. Poddubnyak, privates N. Maslennikov and M. Karpov were killed.

        Without forensic and other examinations, it was difficult to count on establishing the truth. With great difficulty, we managed to convince the Armenian side to provide weapons to the dead. They agreed. But they issued only one AKC assault rifle No. 1205287 with a damaged gas chamber lid. In his chamber was a fired cartridge case. They shot, they say, the paratroopers from the machine gun. In confirmation of this, they drove the UAZ-469 car No. ADZ 10-38. There are 4 holes on it. Someone A. Chakhoyan stated that it was this machine that was used by the Armenian military on July 10, accompanied by the Urals with 5 paratroopers.

        First they killed Shapovalov and four paratroopers, they were well prepared. They cleared the area from random passers-by. Witnesses later explained that when the convoy drove around the central square of the city at about 18 p.m. there was nobody on it. Abramyan and Vardanyan wanted to “sentence” all the rest out of town. Yes, they decided to deepen and complicate the scenario somewhat - let the crowd tear apart the paratroopers better. From whom then will you ask? .. But ... But there was a misfire. Witnesses survived.



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  5. Aeneas
    Aeneas 28 March 2013 08: 09 New
    0
    Interestingly, and this module can use ATGM?
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 March 2013 23: 42 New
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      Quote: Aeneas
      Interestingly, and this module can use ATGM?

      Interest Ask!!!
      it would really be interesting to know!
      The video says that 57 mm rockets will be used, the rest is still secret ..
      1. ultra
        ultra 29 March 2013 12: 33 New
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        Quote: Yarbay
        The video says that 57 mm rockets will be used,
        Did not understand NURSES or what? request
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 29 March 2013 07: 54 New
      +2
      Quote: Aeneas
      Interestingly, and this module can use ATGM?


      The module itself was developed by the South African company EWT. The module itself is based on Predator II, which is an uninhabited turret designed for fully automated deployment of a heavy machine gun and light gun. Based on these conditions, then probably the answer will be no. The South African version in the upper right corner of the picture, on the left is the Azerbaijani version. South Africa is equipped with a 23 mm automatic gun ZU-23 or 30 mm 2A42 and that’s all. In the Azerbaijani version, as we see, it differs only in the presence of additional protection.
  6. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 28 March 2013 08: 59 New
    +1
    Monsieur knows a lot about perversions.
  7. Akim
    Akim 28 March 2013 09: 02 New
    +4
    Changed feed. Most likely the diesel is a UTD or 3TD.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 28 March 2013 10: 11 New
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      Quote: Akim
      Changed feed. Most likely the diesel is a UTD or 3TD.


      Wait and see.
      1. Akim
        Akim 28 March 2013 10: 28 New
        +1
        Quote: Hudo
        Wait and see.

        I agree. There is experience in installing Iveco, Deitz and MTU engines. But what’s the point of putting power, where its price is greater than the armored personnel carrier itself? A UTD-20 with trusts horses in excess is enough (on the BTR-7, anyway). Of course, it has a much lower motor resource, but it is cheap and widespread.
        1. Hudo
          Hudo 28 March 2013 14: 39 New
          0
          The engine of the 3td series is hardly installed, it is too "raw". Yes, and in the Ukrainian media, already in the whole Ivanovskaya would be blown into fanfare. Until then, be quiet. winked
          1. Akim
            Akim 28 March 2013 16: 40 New
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            UTD-20 also produces Kharkov as well as all-consuming 5D20. Series 3TD - not raw. Its advantages are compactness. But due to the fact that it is 2-stroke, it eats a lot of oil and less engine life. UTD is put on the "seven" (the engine compartment allows).
    2. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 28 March 2013 20: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Akim
      Changed feed. Most likely the diesel is a UTD or 3TD.

      This is a BTR-70M. On it, a KAMAZ diesel engine is installed, and a razdatka is similar as on the eighties. They do not set up with supercharging, axles and wheel gears do not stand up. Weak car and outdated. If you install such a module on BTR80, then the topic! But well done anyway hi
  8. JonnyT
    JonnyT 28 March 2013 09: 53 New
    +1
    It looks not very bad! I especially like the automated control of the gun and the care of personnel.
  9. Semurg
    Semurg 28 March 2013 09: 57 New
    +4
    Probably than cutting old armored personnel carriers is the best solution. As a temporary measure, and if possible, as far as possible, change the park with good modern armored personnel carriers.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 28 March 2013 10: 07 New
      +2
      I would say not temporary but the best. There aren’t many bronics. Judging by the changes in armament, defense, and power plant, the efficiency increased by an order of magnitude.
    2. Akim
      Akim 28 March 2013 10: 10 New
      +1
      As a temporary measure

      We have a dangerous temporary measure. Khrushchev still stands, and was created for 15-20 years.
      1. Forget
        Forget 28 March 2013 10: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: Akim
        As a temporary measure

        We have a dangerous temporary measure. Khrushchev still stands, and was created for 15-20 years.

        and will stand for a very long time ..
  10. P-15
    P-15 28 March 2013 10: 50 New
    +3
    Quote: Gari
    With such an overwhelming superiority in all types of weapons, they have already decided once

    It's okay, the first pancake is lumpy.
    1. Gari
      Gari 28 March 2013 17: 25 New
      +1
      Quote: P-15
      It's okay, the first pancake is lumpy.

      Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?
      We don’t want a war, but we are ready for it, a beautiful armored personnel carrier I don’t know how in practice it will show those in battle, we’ll see it in the form of a trophy.
      1. Rumi007
        Rumi007 28 March 2013 18: 15 New
        +4
        Well, so far, Armenian soldiers are becoming "trophies", who in droves cross the border and surrender to the Azerbaijani army. For 6 years, 11 Armenian servicemen fled to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 March 2013 20: 58 New
          +4
          Quote: Rumi007 [b
          ] For 6 years, 11 Armenian troops fled [/ b] to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.


          Probably the mushrooms were looking and lost and wandered to the wrong side laughing
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 22 New
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            Quote: Ascetic
            Probably the mushrooms were looking and lost and wandered to the wrong side

            Well no)))
            They refused to return to Armenia, asked to consider themselves political refugees, asked to third countries !!))
            I think this was a way to shed to Europe !!))
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 March 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Rumi007 [b
          ] For 6 years, 11 Armenian troops fled [/ b] to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.


          Probably the mushrooms were looking and lost and wandered to the wrong side laughing
        3. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 March 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Rumi007 [b
          ] For 6 years, 11 Armenian troops fled [/ b] to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.


          Probably the mushrooms were looking and lost and wandered to the wrong side laughing
        4. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 March 2013 20: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: Rumi007 [b
          ] For 6 years, 11 Armenian troops fled [/ b] to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.


          Probably the mushrooms were looking and lost and wandered to the wrong side laughing
        5. Gari
          Gari 29 March 2013 21: 53 New
          +1
          The press service of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan confirmed the violation of the ceasefire by the Armenians, but reported that they did not have any information about the prisoners.

          http://www.aze.az/news_v_tovuzskom_rayone_88463.html

          http://azerros.ru/news/10872-8-armyanskih-razvedchikov-popali-v-plen-v-selenii-t
          ovuza.html
      2. Rumi007
        Rumi007 28 March 2013 18: 15 New
        +1
        Well, so far, Armenian soldiers are becoming "trophies", who in droves cross the border and surrender to the Azerbaijani army. For 6 years, 11 Armenian servicemen fled to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.
      3. Rumi007
        Rumi007 28 March 2013 18: 16 New
        +2
        Well, so far, Armenian soldiers are becoming "trophies", who in droves cross the border and surrender to the Azerbaijani army. For 6 years, 11 Armenian servicemen fled to the Azerbaijani side, while not a single soldier from the Azerbaijani side.
      4. Arkan
        Arkan 28 March 2013 21: 13 New
        +3
        Quote: Gari
        Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?
        We don’t want a war, but we are ready for it, a beautiful armored personnel carrier I don’t know how in practice it will show those in battle, we’ll see it in the form of a trophy.

        No matter how you say it, it’s about their homeland. And this adventure with Karabakh of Russia did not give anything but problems and a negative image, and losses are a huge lever of influence on countries of all the countries of the region. It’s sad all this.
        1. ultra
          ultra 29 March 2013 12: 37 New
          +1
          Quote: Arkan
          And this adventure with Karabakh of Russia did not give anything but problems
          And where is Russia? request
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 29 March 2013 13: 44 New
            0
            Quote: ultra
            And where is Russia?

            The issue was resolved in Washington, Moscow and then in Brussels (It was in that order).
      5. Yarbay
        Yarbay 28 March 2013 23: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Gari
        Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?
        We don’t want a war, but we are ready for it, a beautiful armored personnel carrier I don’t know how in practice it will show those in battle, we’ll see it in the form of a trophy.

        Well, you are always ready to cut women and children, but this time we will not give you such an opportunity !!
        A dream trophies Armenian Rambo with the spirit of yao))))))))
        If it weren’t for Russia and the weapons that supplied you, plus the regular troops who were at your side, they would weep now, as always, sob !!
        1. Gari
          Gari 29 March 2013 10: 16 New
          0
          Quote: Yarbay
          Well, you are always ready to cut women and children, but this time we will not give you such an opportunity !!

          It's all in words
          but in reality, I again write how women and children were cut, old people were raped, thrown from balconies in Sumgait, in Baku, about the operation ,, Ring ,,
          as direct fire from Shushi which is on a hill in a straight line in total and there is no 1 km. ,, Grad ,, beat on peaceful Stepanekert
          1. P-15
            P-15 29 March 2013 10: 30 New
            +1
            You tell these tales about Sumgayit, Baku and Shusha, tell a drunk homeless man at a bus stop. And in another place, don’t say, they will laugh or accept you as inadequate.
            1. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 11: 55 New
              0
              Quote: P-15
              You tell these tales about Sumgayit, Baku and Shusha, tell a drunk homeless man at a bus stop. And in another place, don’t say, they will laugh or accept you as inadequate.

              Sumgait pogrom - ethnic unrest in the city of Sumgait, Azerbaijan SSR, February 27 - 29, 1988, accompanied by massive violence against the Armenian population, robberies, killings, arson and destruction of property
              The Sumgait pogrom was a landmark event and a turning point in the exacerbation of the interethnic conflict in the Caucasus, which caused the first flows of Armenian refugees from Sumgait to Stepanakert (NKAO) and Armenia

              According to Viktor Krivopuskov, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR repeatedly received operational information about the complication of the ethnic situation in Sumgait, moreover, “according to the first data, the anti-Armenian rally seemed to go on spontaneously, and without an organizational beginning of the city committee took a threatening bias. But then it became clear that thousands of Azerbaijanis had gathered on the same Lenin Square, and many arrived quite organized and with the knowledge of the management of enterprises and institutions. ”
              An Azerbaijani poet Hidir Alovlu delivered a fiery speech to the audience. Numerous speakers, among whom were famous people in the city, continued to call for punishment of Armenians for Karabakh, for Azerbaijani "refugees and martyrs from Kafan", demanding harsh measures be applied to the Armenians - "kill and drive them from Sumgait, from Azerbaijan in general." At the end of almost every speech, there was a call - "Death to the Armenians!"
              February 28, according to V. Krivopuskov, the number of rioters inspired by impunity has grown even more. Many of them were already armed with metal rods, axes, hammers, and other improvised means: “The pogromists, breaking into groups of several dozen people, burst into the Armenian apartments that were planned in advance. People were killed in their own homes, but more often they were taken to the streets or to the courtyard for public mockery of them. Rarely did anyone die immediately from the blow of an ax or knife. Most were waiting for agonizing bullying. They beat him to a loss of consciousness, doused with gasoline and burned alive. There were frequent cases of gang rape of women and girls, often violence occurred in front of relatives, after which they were killed. Neither the elderly nor the children spared
              But the truth were other decent people
              While the police and authorities were virtually inactive [27] [28], some Azerbaijanis tried to help the Armenians, their neighbors and workmates, saving them from the rioters [
              In TASS March reports, the Sumgayit events were presented as some violations of public order, during which people of different nationalities of 26 Armenians died
              The Armenian pogrom in Baku - ethnic unrest in Baku, the capital of the Azerbaijan SSR, January 13 - 20, 1990, accompanied by massive violence against the Armenian population, robberies, killings, arson and destruction of property. According to various sources, from 48 to 90 (according to some sources - up to three hundred) people became victims of pogroms. According to Robert Kushen, Human Rights Watch rapporteur, “the pogroms were not completely (or possibly completely not) spontaneous, as the pogroms had lists of Armenians and their addresses”

              Check out

              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/ и почитайте про эти ,,байки,,
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 26 New
                -1
                Quote: Gari
                “The rioters, breaking into groups of several dozen people, burst into the Armenian apartments, planned in advance.

                All this scribble is not worth a damn !!
                The main thing even there were the main Armenians !!!
                Women and children to kill You are a master !!
                One of the leaders of the pogroms was Eduard Grigoryan !!
                Most of the people killed and raped was his gang !!
                Azerbaijanis were killed, not just the Armenians!
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 45 New
                0
                Quote: Gari
                Sumgait pogrom






                Look carefully; Grigoryan was also interrogated in Armenia
                so enough for you to live fairy tales, you have no future with such an elite of fascists who are ready to kill their own for the sake of the idea !!
                1. Gari
                  Gari 29 March 2013 15: 03 New
                  0
                  With Armenian surname
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 29 March 2013 16: 46 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Gari

                    With Armenian surname

                    In terms of?))))))))
                    and with what surname should this Armenian be?)))
                    From Azerbaijan, so that your lies roll further around the world)))) ??
                    6 Armenians were arrested in this case!
                    Read an interview with the newspaper Pravda, Prosecutor General of the USSR Katusev, a book by KGB Deputy Chairman Bobkov !!
                    It was an Armenian with an Armenian surname together with his gang who raped, killed and threw his relatives from the balcony
                    th !!
          2. kNow
            kNow 29 March 2013 11: 36 New
            +1
            Quote: Gari
            about operation ,, Ring

            Can you attach a list of weapons collected as a result of the operation from the "peaceful" population?

            Quote: Gari
            beat on peaceful Stepanekert

            What are your cities peaceful, and ours - military bases or what?
            1. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 12: 17 New
              0
              Stepanakert was a peaceful city where ordinary people lived
              1. kNow
                kNow 29 March 2013 12: 22 New
                +3
                Quote: Gari
                Stepanakert was a peaceful city

                Yes, yes ... And the rest were medieval castles where vampires lived laughing
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 29 New
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            Quote: Gari
            It's all in words

            This is all in practice !!
            But in words the operation * ring ** there weapons were withdrawn to the whole division, and you write nonsense !!
            The civilians there thanked us that we saved them because the Boviks from Armenia fired on the constantly nearby villages and cities of Azerbaijanis, and these in fear were waiting for a retaliatory strike !!

            The list of weapons seized during Operation Ring was given to me by Gorbachev during a meeting with him on May 3, 1991. I asked him to show this list to the President of Armenia, and ask, against whom and for what purpose was this weapon going? As for the operation itself, the corresponding allied authorities were convinced of its necessity, and they developed this plan, by the way, before my election as president. The plan was based on the implementation of the decree of the President of the USSR on the disarmament of illegal armed groups and verification of the passport regime throughout the country. The actions of the servicemen involved in the operation were directed exclusively against those who carried unauthorized weapons and did not have a passport of a citizen of the USSR. Tight control was established to ensure compliance with the law in relations with residents of Armenian settlements subject to passport checks and the presence of armed groups. Residents of villages with the Armenian population freed from militants were invited not to leave their homes. They were guaranteed safety. Those who wished to leave their homes were delivered by helicopter to the border with Armenia at their request.

            http://vesti.az/news/152490

            so do not bullshit haigitpromovskoy !!!
            1. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 15: 29 New
              0
              On April 19, 1991, troops of the USSR USSR were withdrawn from Getashen and Martunashen, guarding these settlements and reporting to the commandant of a special region of the NKAR, instead of them, troops of the USSR USSR Baku regiment from the city of Ganja of Azerbaijan were sent. Riot police of Azerbaijan began shelling Getashen and Martunashen.
              Units of the Baku regiment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, under the command of Colonel Mashkov, occupied the heights that dominate Getashen and began shelling the village.

              Message from an amateur radio station from Getashen
              “The troops who burst into the village began pogroms of civilians.
              At 21.00 more than ten people were killed, there are many seriously wounded, hostages were taken. "
              April 30. Getashen and Martunashen villages are fired from all sides. In the morning at 7.00 armored vehicles moved to the villages. The military fired at the village with guns and machine guns. Riot police of Azerbaijan, taking advantage of this, burst into the villages and began a pogrom. 17 people were killed, dozens injured, including children. Troops and riot police seized 50 hostages, the population during the self-defense took 12-13 hostages.
              In the border villages of Armenia, there is an accumulation of troops. The village of Voskepar of the Noyemberyan region is surrounded by troops.

              In the Baku Television news release it was reported that Chaikend (Getashen) was occupied by riot police and troops, 15 Armenians were killed, 14 wounded, 45 hostages were captured, 4 Azerbaijanis were wounded.
              Martunashen village is completely on fire. 12 people were killed, 20 went missing and taken hostage 7.
              May 15. NKAO. At 5 o’clock in the morning, with the support of the soldiers of the internal troops, on the initiative of the security agencies and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Azerbaijan, the Berdadzor subarea, the Armenian villages of Badara and Dashbulakh of the Askeran region were surrounded under the pretext of checking the passport regime.
              All men from 16 to 50 years of age were taken by bus outside the region. 100 people were removed from the Berdadzor subarea.
              Killed A. Grigoryan, father of three children.
              Beaten up women and children.
              Residents are given time until 19 hours to leave the village.
              A school building was burned down in Berdadzor, several houses were blown up in Kirov.
              There are no men left in the villages.
              27 young men were taken away from Stepanakert in an unknown direction.
              Riot policemen opened fire on policemen of Armenian nationality who were trying to enter the Armenian villages of Dzhilan and Biniatlu.
              The deputy chief of the NKAO ROVD G. Arutyunyan and the district police officer V. Verdiyan were arrested.
              16 people were arrested in the village of Karmravan, Mardakert district, and 11 in Seisulan, including the chairman of the village council, the director of the state farm, and the medical assistant.
              13 people were arrested in Getavan, 2 in Talish.
              The district police officers were confiscated from the service weapon (6 pistols).
              From the village of Kirov, 30 men were taken away, from Ksagyukh - 22, Mets Shen - 52.
              Killed 1 person, three wounded.
              12.00. Goris region of Armenia. The third shepherds were killed by Azerbaijanis in the village of Artashen.
              Helicopters do not allow to approach the corpses, open fire.
              13.00. NKAO. The population of Artsakhashen and Badar villages of Askeran region was deported, the house was destroyed
              On buses, OMON sheep took all the men out of the village of Karin-tak, Shusha region, and the Azerbaijanis, who came to the rescue, from the neighboring villages, the Azerbaijanis burned 2 houses.

              Quote: Yarbay
              Residents of villages with the Armenian population freed from militants were invited not to leave their homes. They were guaranteed safety. Those who wished to leave their homes were delivered by helicopter to the border with Armenia at their request.


              How much cynicism
              1. kNow
                kNow 29 March 2013 15: 37 New
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                Quote: Gari
                How much cynicism

                No more than your politicians, who led their people to a tragedy, in order to have trump cards for political games later on ....

                Maybe stop pushing propaganda here? if you have something to write on the topic - let's.
                1. Gari
                  Gari 29 March 2013 17: 09 New
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                  I answered on the topic
                  Quote: kNow
                  Residents of villages with the Armenian population freed from militants were invited not to leave their homes. They were guaranteed safety. Those who wished to leave their homes were delivered by helicopter to the border with Armenia at their request.

                  Riot police of Azerbaijan began shelling Getashen and Martunashen.
                  Units of the Baku regiment of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR, under the command of Colonel Mashkov, occupied the heights that dominate Getashen and began shelling the village.
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 20 New
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                    Quote: Gari
                    Riot police of Azerbaijan began shelling Getashen and Martunashen.

                    Do not tell jokes !!)))
                    Was this also reported by an amateur radio station from the mythical Getmashdent?))))))))))
                    The villages were blocked and measures were taken to check the passport regime !!
                    As a result, the bandits had a fierce resistance !!
                    Chaikend and other villages were freed from Armenian banditry, a huge amount of weapons was seized !!
                    Civilians were invited to stay in the villages, who did not want to be presented with transport to Armenia!
                    I remember very well how ordinary Armenian residents blogged soldiers for freeing them from bearded terror !!
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 06 New
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                Quote: Gari
                Message from an amateur radio station from Getashen
                “The troops who burst into the village began pogroms of civilians.

                Killed)))))))))))))))))))))
                There are no more reliable sources?)))))))))))))
        2. Dima67
          Dima67 29 March 2013 10: 27 New
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          [quote = Yarbay] [quote = Gari]

          If it weren’t for Russia and the weapons that supplied you, plus the regular troops who were at your side, they would weep now, as always, sob !! [/ quote]
          When exactly did the regular troops of Russia fight against you in Karabakh?
          1. kNow
            kNow 29 March 2013 11: 33 New
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            Quote: Dima67
            When exactly are regular troops

            366 regiment
            1. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 12: 21 New
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              I don’t like to repeat myself, but I probably don’t have to read my comments: as a result of the division of Soviet military property, the 4th Combined Arms Army (four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla were transferred to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan also got all the ammunition depots (strategic in Kilazi, district in Agdam and Pump, divisions in Gyuzdek, Ganja, Lenkoran, Nakhichevan). The total amount of ammunition in these depots is estimated at 11 wagons-- against
              In Karabakh, in 1992, the Armenian armed forces seized part of the arms of the 366th motorized rifle regiment of the 23rd motorized division of the 4th, which came under the control of Azerbaijan.

              The division of the military property of the former ZakVO in Armenia was the most civilized.
              Of all the states of Transcaucasia, when dividing military property, Armenia was in the most disadvantaged position, since the smallest number of troops of the Transcaucasian military district was on its territory.
              In 1992, the arms and military equipment of two of the three divisions (15th and 164th) of the 7th combined arms army of the former USSR, as well as about 500 wagons of ammunition, were transferred to Yerevan's control.
              1. kNow
                kNow 29 March 2013 12: 29 New
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                Quote: Gari
                In 1992, in 366, Armenian armed forces seized part of the armaments of the 23th motorized rifle regiment of the 4rd motorized rifle division of the XNUMXth


                The 366th regiment, which was part of the 23rd division of the 4th Army, was transferred from Ganja to Khankendi (Stepanakert) in 1985.. The staff in the regiment was supposed to be 1800 troops, but in fact about 630 people remained in February. 129 of them are officers and warrant officers, while 49 of them are Armenians. In the spring of 1991, Lieutenant Colonel Yuri Zarvigorov was appointed commander of the regiment. According to numerous eyewitness accounts, including soldiers who fled at different times, all the military equipment, and often the personnel of the regiment, were actually at the disposal of the Armenians. There was a certain calculation system: for each shelling from the cannon of the city of Shushi, the Armenians gave 20 liters of alcohol, for the participation of one BMP in the operation against Azerbaijanis, the commander was supposed to be 5 thousand rubles, and for the shelling - 1 thousand rubles. etc. (there are also sources that indicate much larger amounts).

                On the night of February 25-26, soldiers of the 366th regiment, along with equipment, took part in the assault on Khojaly and also in the killing of people (including women and children) who escaped from the city.

                Did they transfer from Ganja to Stepanakert to transfer to Azerbaijan? Enough to carry?
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 38 New
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                Quote: Gari
                but you'll have to probably not read my comments

                Just write propaganda nonsense)))))
                So many weapons were not received !!
                Most of the weapons received during the final withdrawal of troops!
                And at the very beginning of the conflict, Armenia had a 10-fold advantage !!
                Armenian fascist units were formed as part of the Russian troops, units on the orders of the USSR Ministry of Defense, and then the MORF in Karabakh and in Armenia were 70-80 percent manned by Armenians !!
                All that the Russian army had was rented for the money of the Diaspora, while we didn’t have the weapons your fascists had !!
                Plus from abroad, your fascists acquired a huge amount of weapons !! There were even stingers, the trophy stinger he saw !!
            2. ultra
              ultra 29 March 2013 12: 39 New
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              Quote: kNow
              366 regiment
              The easiest way to justify your defeat! hi
              1. kNow
                kNow 29 March 2013 12: 43 New
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                Quote: ultra
                The easiest way to justify your defeat!

                This is not a rationale or the very first reason. You can calm down. But the participation of this regiment is a fact. Camouflage their participation does not work.

                Vladimir Savelyev was the head of the counterintelligence department of the military unit N02270 (in Nagorno-Karabakh) of the 366th regiment. He witnessed the Khojaly events and collected the first materials on the tragedy, and then - on November 26, 1992, March 19, 1994, August 22, 1998 and, finally, in July and December 2000 - he presented them to the UN, the Council Europe and the Main Intelligence Agency. He sent his last inquiries under the pseudonym “Officer Pugachev” (MO. Archive. BC.2270. 1990-1996. P.T.
                Observing the military operations carried out by Armenian terrorist organizations and Russian military units in Nagorno-Karabakh, the colonel recounts what is happening and admits: “... I can’t help but write about all this. Everything happened before my eyes. I can’t forget the shot through bodies of women, children and pregnant brides. May the Azerbaijanis forgive me, for I could not help them during this inhuman and bloody massacre. I could only send a 19-page secret certificate to the Kremlin, as well as to the Moscow Region and the GRU generals. Let them honor how desecrated the honor of a Russian officer ...
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 51 New
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                  ] Vladimir Savelyev was the head of the counterintelligence department of the military unit N02270 (in Nagorno-Karabakh) of the 366th regiment. He witnessed the Khojaly events and collected the first materials on the tragedy, and then - on November 26, 1992, March 19, 1994, August 22, 1998 and, finally, in July and December 2000 - he presented them to the UN, the Council Europe and the Main Intelligence Agency. He sent his last inquiries under the pseudonym “Officer Pugachev” (MO. Archive. BC.2270. 1990-1996. P.T. Kotlyarevsky, Ponamarev, Pugachev).
                  Observing the military operations carried out by Armenian terrorist organizations and Russian military units in Nagorno-Karabakh, the colonel recounts what is happening and admits: “... I can’t help but write about all this. Everything happened before my eyes. I can’t forget the shot through bodies of women, children and pregnant brides. May the Azerbaijanis forgive me, for I could not help them during this inhuman and bloody massacre. I could only send a 19-page secret certificate to the Kremlin, as well as to the Moscow Region and the GRU generals. Let them honor how desecrated the honor of a Russian officer ... [b] I followed the events in Baku. It was felt that President Ayaz Niyazovich was deceived. He was the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who lost the thread of events, could not control what was happening around him, remained in the midst of a confrontation ... [/ b] [b] [/ b] As for military counterintelligence, this structure was paralyzed. According to our information, the employees of this organization were most interested in the amount of stolen potatoes, onions and meat ... They were not able to influence the events. The president did not realize what was happening in Khojaly. In the Main Itab of the Army of Azerbaijan, everyone behaved like chiefs of staff. And in the combined arms units of the fourth army, the tension increased with [b] every day ... Everything was opposed to Azerbaijan. The situation has become uncontrollable. The officers lost their heads ...
                  We received information that a mess reigns in the presidential apparatus and power ministries of Azerbaijan. Goals and thoughts diverged. Everyone used the “War Map” for political purposes. And those who were distributing these cards stood at the seat of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of Azerbaijan, next to the political leaders of the opposition and to illiterate and dumb generals who did not know who and what they were serving ... ”(R.E.F. MO. GOR - 21. BC - O2270. OP).
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 54 New
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                    The Armenian journalist Berain Sirajyan, who published the article “Before the Offensive” in the monthly French journal France Catholic Ecclesia, wrote: “... I saw Khojaly with my own eyes. I was delighted with the courage and courage of the Artsakh people, who fought for every piece of land. However, I was not a supporter of fighting for the land by such methods ... Everywhere it smelled of blood. I was horrified by the bodies of those killed who were piled up in a heap ... I was afraid that the Azerbaijanis, their children and subsequent generations would not forgive us this blood ... Today the Russians are with us, support us. What will happen tomorrow? We can remain without support ... On the other hand, I have no doubt that the fire in the eyes of my warring fellow Armenians will never go out. This fire is the flame of a hearth lit for the homeland. But such a fire does not die out ... ”(March 12, 1992).

                    Meanwhile, in January 1992. a group of 26 people - members of the Armenian terrorist organization ASALA, which created an illegal secret camp near Paris under the command of Ashin Simonyan, arrived in Khankendi. They without any difficulties created their support in the 366th regiment thrown to the will of fate. To meet Colonel Yevgeny Zarvigarov, a gift of 36 thousand US dollars was made. According to our information, the commander of the 23rd Division, Major General Boris Budeykin strictly reprimanded Colonel Zarvigarov for this and demanded that the command of the 4th Army expel him from the army with shame “for betraying the honor of an officer”. But no one paid attention to these accusations and demands. Because the laws no longer worked.

                    Colonel A. Savelyev writes: “... In fact, these problems around the 366th regiment involved in the interethnic conflict are manifested in the most acute way. During military operations, the regiment took the side of the Armenians and took part in the murder of Azerbaijanis, provided the Armenians with their entire military arsenal, which in itself was of political importance ... ”(ibid.).
                    And in a letter sent to the Defense Ministry on April 12, 1992, the colonel wrote: “I sent 46 numbered documents to the Azerbaijani Defense Ministry, to the presidential apparatus, in which the identities of the killed were established. The answer came that these documents are being studied. Then I was in Tbilisi and sent letters from there. I just couldn’t understand what the military intelligence of Azerbaijan was studying there ... ”
                    February 19, 1992 in the theater square of Yerevan, a certain Armenian emissary Firdos Arabyan (Lebanon) read a letter signed by thirteen wealthy Armenians in the Garagin Armenian center, known as the "source of economic profit for Armenians of the whole world": "... Long live the awakened people! Greeting the Armenian heroes who have learned the wisdom and mind of their ancestors and re-ignited the flame in the place of their ashes, I convey to them greetings from Armenians all over the world. You are supported by the Armenians in Paris, Cologne, Roma, Washington, Kuwait, London, Moscow, Ankara, Tehran and Latin America ... We are ready to provide you any help ... ”(Hayastan Bulletin, 1992, February).

                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 04 New
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                      These “heroes of the nation”, opposing two nations against each other, did not understand one. They did not realize that revenge for every drop of blood sooner or later overtook the one who shed it. And the responsibility for the crimes committed fell not on the shoulders of Washington or London. All responsibility related to Yerevan. Yerevan should have been accountable to history for all these atrocities. And it just needed to be recognized. As Colonel V. Savelyev saw and realized this ...
                      Colonel Zarvigarov and other officials with the official permission of the command of the army and the district on the elimination of combat points from where they shoot at the regiment, connected with the Armenians in operations conducted in the direction of Khojaly. As a result, 49 Azerbaijanis were shot on the squares in one day ... Based on the order of the chief of staff of lieutenant colonel Sergey Kraulenin, commander of the 1st motorized rifle battalion, Colonel Arkady Moiseev, commander of the 2nd battalion Serge Oganyan, commander of the 3rd battalion Gavriil Nabokih, captain Ishaq Likhodei ... during the evacuation of civilians, the Armenians paid more attention. During the withdrawal of the population from the war zone, 58 Azerbaijanis were killed ...

                      And no one even intended to bury the slain Azerbaijanis in the proper manner. They simply dug a hole with a depth of half a meter, threw all the corpses into it and buried it. According to the colonel, in the evenings it became uncomfortable from the howling of dogs and jackals around these pits. Everywhere it smelled of blood (see “Izvestia.” 1992. 28. II. “Truth.” 1992. 19 IV).

                      On February 4, 1992, the Armenian self-defense units (!) And the generals of Russian military units received a secret letter from Pope John Paul II, in which the pontiff sent “self-defense from God (?)” To the Armenian self-defense units, and reminded the Russian generals that this war - a war for faith, for religion, and he will pray that they come out victorious from this war. He wrote: “... If I ever have the opportunity, I will make a pilgrimage to the graves of my brothers in faith who died in Khojaly ...” (September 21, 2003, the Pope arrived in Armenia and visited the graves of Armenians who died for Khojaly) (Arm .R. Inf. Bureau “Asun” 2003. IX. 24).
                      Along with the Armenians, the Russians also “thought for a long time ...” strategic side of the occupation of Khojaly. As a result, Major Abram Chitchiyan, Chief of Staff of the First Battalion, Major G. Nabokih and Captain I. Likhodeev directly participated in military operations. According to the officer I. Karabeinikov, A. Chitchiyan shot “... the Babaevs family, which consisted of 13 people”. Therefore, in 1993. he received 150 thousand US dollars from the Armenian Diaspora of France as a reward and the “Church Prize”. September 2, 1994 A. Chitchiyan moved to France, where he currently resides.

                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 13 New
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                        According to privates of the 366th regiment of the signalman Afik Ishbeliev, February 24, 1992. he fought in an artillery detachment under the command of I. Likhodeev and participated in the capture of Khojaly.
                        To the question: “How did you fight?” he replied:
                        - We were scared, we were afraid of death. They shot at everything that moved. Sometimes even the rustle of leaves frightened us with a quiet wind ... I don’t know if the Azerbaijanis will forgive us ... My mother disowned me for fighting on the Armenian side against the Azerbaijanis. I have nowhere to go, everyone turned away from me. But I was a soldier and had to carry out the order. And the commanders forced us to do all this. We obeyed the order. Nobody forgives me anymore ... (“One Armenian Grave” - Author: Abdul Fateh, Beirut. 1994).
                        A. Ishbeliev also says that the Armenians bought military equipment belonging to the Russians. For one Kalashnikov assault rifle they gave 1500 US dollars.
                        On the night of February 25-26, Khojaly was captured. And the army did not want to calm down. In The Secret Information, Colonel V. Saveliev wrote:
                        “On the night of the capture of Khojaly, the 3rd battalion was withdrawn from the combat zone, and the 366th regiment was abandoned. The army was disarmed. The officers saluted the uniform. The newest weapons were allocated to the Armenians. It was decided to take money and jewelry from the Armenians in exchange for this weapon. And those who fought for the shameful idea of ​​“Great Armenia”, this question remains open to this day. ”


                        . The power of A. Mutallibov has lost its political strength in society and the state. He became a victim of his naivety, intrigues in the apparatus.
                        Describing the situation in the Azerbaijani authorities at that time, the Russian intelligence officer V. Saveliev wrote: “... After the capture of Khojaly, the power of A. Mutallibov lost her right to life. And the ministers, united around the prime minister, created a state in the state ... ”
                        See who directly participated in the withdrawal of the regiment, the transfer of weapons to the Armenians: Colonel General Gromov; Lieutenant General Grekov; Lieutenant General Ohanyan; I. Andronov - deputy; Colonel W. Zarvigarov; Colonel O. Kraule ...


                        The Fourth Army created the conditions for the participation of representatives of the 23rd Motor Rifle Division in combat operations. But the deputy division commander A. Babukov and K. Ermolaev demanded the return of military equipment transferred to the Armenians. Who listened to them ?! ”
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 15 New
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                        V. Saveliev, who worked as the head of the military counterintelligence of the Russian Federation, noted: “... after the military town was fired from Grad anti-aircraft installations on February 23, 1992, Colonel E. Zarvigarov decided to relocate the regiment from its permanent deployment to the reserve zone. And the decision was implemented without any resistance from the Armenian military units. There was no need for relocation. During the reconnaissance of the regiment, part of the regiment’s weapons and ammunition was not withdrawn. These days, Lieutenant General I. Ohanyan, who had arrived in the city of Khankendi (not to be confused with Major Ohanyan), demanded the withdrawal of an artillery division, an anti-aircraft artillery division, a tank company and equipment. As a result, without any obstacle, the Armenians captured 23 infantry fighting vehicles, 3 ZSU-23-4, 8 D-30 and a huge amount of other military equipment ... ”
                        On this day, Illarion Allaverdiyan, known as the head of the belligerent under the name of Armenian self-defense units, and in fact the local cell of the terrorist organization ASALA, announced a reward for 24 Russian officers and soldiers. For example, officer Evgeni Golubev in front of the detachment was awarded a gold medal cast from 25g. gold, and 5 thousand US dollars. Or along with 10 thousand US dollars, ordinary Anastas S. Ivanov was handed the documents of a Hyunday car, which was waiting for him in Yerevan.
                        As a result, “Combat agreements were concluded between the Armenian armed units and Russian officers.
                        Let me remind you that all this, that is, contracts between Armenians and Russian officers, were mainly concluded by oral orders. Every order, every word of the general had a price. For example, the order to participate in the battles of the 463rd separate chemical defense battalion and the 909th separate reconnaissance battalion cost 18 thousand US dollars.

                        Touching all of this, Colonel V. Savelyev wrote: “... When the first battalion moved to the reserve zone, Colonel Ivan Moiseev stopped equipment and personnel in the Chapar Gorge and took a waiting position. Then his battalion entered the village of Chihani and was surrounded by Armenians. As a result, the battalion voluntarily surrendered its military equipment to the Armenians. Ivan Moiseyev and his wards were offered a monetary reward for participating in the battles on the side of the Armenians ... ”
                        I note that the settlements adjacent to Khojaly were destroyed and put to fire by the battalion of Ivan Moiseyev and this battalion became famous among the Armenians as “the beasts of Ivan”.
                        According to studies, 85% of military equipment and ammunition passed into the hands of Armenians. In addition, 142 machine guns, 7600 cartridges, 460 body armor, 11 tons of canned food, 1200 pairs of shoes (in six sizes), 146 pistols, and 149 American-made radios were sent from France to the Armenians.

                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 20 New
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                        According to Private Grigory Voroshilov, most of the documents on the relations of Russian officers with the Armenians were burned on March 1, 1992 by order of Major General S. Lukashev, commander of the aviation of the Transcaucasian Military District. Colonel V. Saveliev writes: “... The Armenians gathered the corpses into the Russian-owned KAMAZ with the number“ 02-19-MM ”and lit a fire in Khojaly. Hatred had no limit here. Who gave rise to such hatred is not clear to me. I couldn’t understand where such evil came from ... I want to bring to your court the names of those Russian officers who, together with the Armenians, shot the Azerbaijani prisoners put in a single row and enjoyed it:


                        1. Colonel B. Baimukov - deputy regiment commander for the rear;
                        2. Colonel I.V. Moiseev - commander of the first battalion;
                        3. Major S.I. Ohanyan - commander of the second battalion;
                        4. Major EA Nabokih - the commander of the third battalion;
                        5. Major V.I. Chitchiyan - chief of staff of the first battalion;
                        6. Major V.G. Nayriyan - regiment intelligence chief;
                        7. Senior lieutenant O.V. Mirzakhayzarov - company commander;
                        8. Senior Lieutenant S.V. Hrinhua - Head of Intelligence;
                        9. Senior Lieutenant VN Garmash - commander of a tank company;
                        10. Senior lieutenant N.T. Pakpyan - company commander;
                        11. Senior Lieutenant V.I. Vasilevsky - company commander;
                        12. Senior Lieutenant A.V. Lisenko - unit commander;
                        13. Senior lieutenant V.A. Azarov - battery commander;
                        14. Senior lieutenant I.S. Abraimov - commander of an anti-tank battery;
                        15. Lieutenant OVValezniy - commander of the 3rd tank company;
                        16. Lieutenant A.V.Shmakin - commander of the tank compartment;
                        17. Lieutenant S. I. Pachkovsky - commander of an engineer-sapper company;
                        18. Lieutenant V.I. Bondarev - deputy intelligence chief;
                        19. Lieutenant A.I. Kulov - head of the radiochemical department
                        (as well as 41 junior officers of Armenian nationality).

                        On February 24, 1992, at 22.15 p.m. E. Zarvigarov, who was promoted to general, speaking to the officers, said the following: “... The war, which seems to be in defense of the land, is actually a war of Islam against Christianity. Representatives of the Islamic countries of the world, military advisers gathered in Baku (?) To trample and destroy our cross ... Today, there is a war against Christianity. In this war, we must defend our religion and our honor, or accept shame and surrender to them. "
                      4. Gari
                        Gari 29 March 2013 16: 18 New
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                        The Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA) is an Armenian militarized organization that existed from 1975 before the beginning and ceased to exist in the 1990s, after which nothing was written about she is NOT.
                        But you have the whole color of international terrorism:

                        In late 1991 - early 1992, Basayev took part in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan. Later, his detachment, distinguished by special cruelty, fought in the besieged Shusha. According to some reports, Basayev’s detachment also participated in the coup of Suret Huseynov and the overthrow of Elchibey, contributing to the coming to power of Heydar Aliyev in Azerbaijan.
                        The Azerbaijani colonel who fought in Karabakh, Azerbaijani Rustamov, assesses the role of Basayev and Raduyev in the battles of the summer of 1992 as "invaluable," noting that they left the battlefield after heavy losses. According to the former chief of staff of the Yerkrapah Union of Armenian Volunteers, Deputy Minister for Emergency Situations of Armenia, Major General Astvatsatur Petrosyan, in the summer of 1992, about 400 Chechen militants fought under the leadership of Basayev. On July 3, 1992, during the operation to liberate the village of Karmravan, many of them were killed and 120 were captured, after which Shamil Basayev never returned to Karabakh.

                        Mostly Mujahideen were from the Hezbe Eslami party and the Arab Afghans. It is interesting that there is an opinion that such a transfer of troops (Mujahideen) into the conflict zone could not be carried out without the participation of either the American or Pakistani authorities.

                        Strength:
                        The number of Mujahideen I heard is different - from 2000 to more than 3000 (according to Victor Kocharyan, deputy chief of the NKR State Security Department). The figures of the Mujahideen were obtained by the Armenians from the captured Afghan Bahtiyar Verbolahh Baberzayn (from Mazar-i-Sharif, Afghanistan). The participation of the Afghan Mujahideen in the Armenian-Azerbaijani took place from 1991-94. But the active phase came in 93, when Rovshan Javadov, the commander of the Special Forces Detachment, flew out to meet with Afghan Prime Minister Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, the leader of the Hezbe i-Islami party. The negotiations concerned the issue of military assistance to Azerbaijan in the form of delivery of mujahideen, and a few months later one of the most famous Afghan field commanders Abdul-Rashid Dostum arrived in Baku, after the negotiations airspace was created between Baku and Kabul through which the mujahideen were delivered to the conflict zone, among Mujahideen arrived in Karabakh was the notorious Khattab militant, who became famous in the Chechen war.
                        The international terrorist organization Al-Qaeda first began operating in the territory of the former USSR at the beginning of the 90s, when it established its office in Baku and began to support the Azerbaijani Islamists in the war against the self-defense forces of Nagorno-Karabakh.
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 29 March 2013 16: 27 New
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                        Quote: Gari
                        In late 1991 - early 1992, Basayev took part in the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh on the side of Azerbaijan.

                        Nonsense and nonsense)))

                        Monte “Avo” Melkonyan (Armenian թոնթե “Ավո” Մելքոնյան) (November 25, 1957, USA - June 12, 1993, Nagorno-Karabakh) is an active participant in the Karabakh war, one of the organizers and leaders of the Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh]. Prior to that, he was a member of the ASALA fighting organization, the head of ASALA-RM (ASALA-Revolutionary Movement), a participant in the civil war in Lebanon.
                        http://ru.wikipedia.org/

                        Boy learn materiel !!)))
                      6. Gari
                        Gari 29 March 2013 17: 37 New
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                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Boy learn materiel !!)))

                        I did not insult you, it seems you will answer for the boy
                        Monte "Avo" Melkonyannash national Hero of Armenia, an Armenian from a prosperous America came to defend his homeland glad that you know our heroes, for example I don’t know
                        and who is Basayev from where did he do what and why in Karabakh?

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Prior to that, he was a member of the ASALA fighting organization, the head of ASALA-RM (ASALA-Revolutionary Movement), a participant in the civil war in Lebanon.

                        It’s right before that because ASALA ceased to exist
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 55 New
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                        Quote: Gari
                        Monte "Avo" Melkonyannash national Hero of Armenia, an Armenian from a prosperous America came to defend his homeland glad that you know our heroes, for example I don’t know

                        So I about the fact that in your national heroes you have international terrorists and flayers !!!
                        Monte Melkonyan was born in 1957 in the USA in a small town in the vicinity of Fresno (California). He entered the University of Berkeley, received a Ph.D. in historical sciences, an archaeologist by training, was fluent in seven languages. Already in his university years he became interested in radical ideas and the “craft” of a terrorist. Since 1978, he fought as part of Armenian combat groups in Lebanon. He participated there in a civil war on the side of right-wing Christian formations, in military operations against Israeli troops.
                        Then he took part in the military operations of Kurdish terrorists against Turkish troops. He also manages to take part in anti-Shah performances in Iran and returns to Lebanon again. In the early 80s, Monte Melkonyan, together with a group of his friends, revives the ASALA Armenian terrorist organization in Lebanon and formulates the political and ideological platform of this organization: Turkey must recognize the “genocide” of the 1915 Armenians, pay material compensation and return the “historical lands” to the Armenians.

                        After that, Melkonyan, along with his “craft” friends, launched a series of terrorist attacks against Turkish diplomats in European countries. At the same time, Melkonyan begins the formation of a kind of international terrorist international. So, in 1982, he maintains close contact with the leader of the Palestinian terrorists, Abu Nidal, in Syria. In those same years, he establishes ties with the intelligence of the KGB of the USSR and begins cooperation with Securitate, the security service of the Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu. In particular, Melkonyan was one of those who trained and sent Palestinian militants to Romania to defend the Ceausescu regime. On September 24, 1981, Melkonyan organized an attack on the Turkish Embassy in Paris. In November of that year, the local police arrested him with fake documents, but ASALA managed to secure his release by conducting several terrorist attacks. French authorities deport him to Lebanon, however, Melkonyan again returned to Paris and in 1983 carried out a terrorist attack against the representative office of Turkish Airlines at Orly Airport. As a result, five people die and another 55 are injured. Two years later, the terrorist is caught and arrested, and this time the French put him in prison for 6 years, having found him guilty of 4 acts of terrorism at different times and in different places. In 1989, Monte was released and deported to Yemen, but he again returned to Europe, where he lives illegally for another year and a half.

                        Details: http://www.1news.az/region/armenia/20100612124405421.html
                        Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to 1news.az
                        The trouble is right with your heroes))))))))))))


                        My boy, how am I responsible for the boy ??)))
                        Are you getting ready for the trip again?)))
                        welcome!!))))
              2. Gari
                Gari 29 March 2013 16: 21 New
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                As a result of the division of Soviet military property, the 4th Combined Arms Army (four motorized rifle divisions), three air defense brigades, a special-purpose brigade, four air force bases and part of the Caspian Sea Flotilla were transferred to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan also got all the ammunition depots (strategic in Kilazi, district in Agdam and Pump, divisions in Gyuzdek, Ganja, Lenkoran, Nakhichevan). The total amount of ammunition in these depots is estimated at 11 wagons-- against the weapons and equipment of one regiment how scary
            3. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 16: 54 New
              -1
              Quote: Yarbay
              On February 4, 1992, the Armenian self-defense units (!) And the generals of Russian military units received a secret letter from Pope John Paul II, in which the pontiff sent “self-defense from God (?)” To the Armenian self-defense units, and reminded the Russian generals that this war - a war for faith, for religion, and he will pray that they come out victorious from this war. He wrote: “... If I ever have the opportunity, I will make a pilgrimage to the graves of my brothers in faith who died in Khojaly ...” (September 21, 2003, the Pope came to Armenia and visited the graves of Armenians who died for Khojaly) (Arm .R. Inf. Bureau “Asun” 2003. IX. 24)


              It looks like the temperature has risen yes, no one needs to hear about the letter if this nonsense was dug up somewhere, at least be careful

              On September 25-27, 2001, John Paul II honored with his presence the celebration of the 1700th anniversary of the adoption of Christianity in Armenia and the 10th anniversary of the independence of Armenia.
            4. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 16 New
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              Quote: Gari
              It looks like the temperature has risen yes, no one needs to hear about the letter if this nonsense was dug up somewhere, at least be careful

              It's about 1992, when at best you walked under steel)))
              My boy's temperature rose evidently at (Arm.R. Inf. Bureau “Asun” 2003. IX. 24)))))))))
              All claims to the Armenian source))))))
            5. Gari
              Gari 29 March 2013 17: 43 New
              0
              I didn’t understand your boy, and then I went there from where you ran away and I write everything here, I just refer to the sources, because it’s impossible with you, but I remember it very well and took part myself
  11. GG2012
    GG2012 30 March 2013 00: 33 New
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    Quote: kNow
    Vladimir Savelyev was the head of the counterintelligence department of the military unit N02270 (in Nagorno-Karabakh) of the 366th regiment

    There are three comments ... to your statement, and these comments cast a shadow the accuracy of your information.
    1. There were no military counterintelligence departments in the KGB system.
    But there was a system of Special KGB Departments that performed counterintelligence functions.
    2. There were no Special Departments at the regiments, but there were an officer and a senior officer. Their ranks corresponded to the captain and major. Colonel there ... well, nothing (!!!) could not be.
    3. The department (as a full-time unit) appeared only at the divisional level, and the position of the head of the division division corresponded to the rank of lieutenant colonel.

    PS Please note that I do not touch on the Khojaly events ... I am only talking about the source of information to which you refer.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 31 March 2013 06: 58 New
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      Quote: GG2012
      There were no Special Departments at the shelves.


      the head of the counterintelligence department of the military unit N02270
      I do not exclude that errors are possible!
      Because barter has comments!
      Why did he write a report to the GRU, how it relates to his service!
      A special department is the military counterintelligence!
      Apparently the journalist does not quite know the subtleties!
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 39 New
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    Quote: ultra
    The easiest way to justify your defeat!
    This is a fact and not only 366 regiment was !!!
    Units of the 7th army for money often participated in battles on the side of the Armenians
    Aviation!!
    1. P-15
      P-15 29 March 2013 14: 08 New
      +2
      Who are you talking to)) he already knows everything and does not want to admit. In St. Petersburg, I somehow had to sit at the same table with one officer. He told me this, although he was under the shirt but did not trust him.
      1. Gari
        Gari 29 March 2013 16: 40 New
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        Quote: P-15
        Who are you talking to)) he already knows everything and does not want to admit. In St. Petersburg, I somehow had to sit at the same table with one officer. He told me this, although he was under the shirt but did not trust him.

        Tales under the shaf, my grandmother told me fairy tales before bed too
        Yuri Viktorovich Belichenko - Soviet pilot, during the Karabakh war he was a mercenary in the ranks of the Air Force of Azerbaijan.
        He served as part of the 82nd Fighter Aviation Regiment of the 19th Air Defense Army of the Transcaucasian Military District.
        With the declaration of independence by Azerbaijan, he was hired to participate on the Azerbaijani side in the hostilities in Nagorno-Karabakh, the salary of a mercenary was $ 5000 per month
        . Most of the Azerbaijani air attacks on Armenian cities in Nagorno-Karabakh were probably illegible and were intended to demoralize the civilian population. Such attacks on civilians and civilian objects are clearly prohibited by international law.
        During the fighting in the Mardakert region on August 20, 1992, MiG-25PD Belichenko was shot down by anti-aircraft fire [1]. The pilot safely ejected and captured, after which he was taken to the Ministry of Security of Nagorno-Karabakh
        In total, while being in the ranks of the Azerbaijani Air Force with the purpose of bombing Belichenko on an MiG-25PD airplane, he made 16 sorties, at the time of the downing Belichenko was still serving in the 19th Army of the Russian Federation.
        1. P-15
          P-15 29 March 2013 17: 05 New
          +1
          Oo)) Grandma told you tales about "miatsum" to you under the shaf, and you are trying to sell us the tales of your screwy grandmother?
          PS Under the shafe, it was generally not me. Yes, and stop drawing material from Wikipedia. They’ll write such a thing there
  • Yarbay
    Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: kNow
    366 regiment

    This is an obvious fact, but there were a lot of things !!
    1. OTAKE
      OTAKE 29 March 2013 13: 39 New
      +1
      Quote: Yarbay
      Quote: kNow
      366 regiment

      This is an obvious fact, but there were a lot of things !!

      Alibek, in which region did you live in Azerbaijan? my parents lived there until 74, then moved to Russia, have you been in Azerbaijan for a long time?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 02 New
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        Quote: OTAKE
        Alibek, in which region did you live in Azerbaijan? my parents lived there until 74, then moved to Russia, have you been in Azerbaijan for a long time?

        I lived in Baku in Icheri Sheher!
        I still live and work in Baku!
        When your parents moved I was very young)))
        1. OTAKE
          OTAKE 29 March 2013 14: 27 New
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          Quote: OTAKE
          Alibek, in which region did you live in Azerbaijan? my parents lived there until 74, then moved to Russia, have you been in Azerbaijan for a long time?

          I lived in Baku in Icheri Sheher!
          I still live and work in Baku!
          When your parents moved I was very young)))

          aa here it is) well, Baku is another matter) they were just called from Istisu village, is there such one?) or am I mistaken in the name)
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 29 March 2013 16: 41 New
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            Quote: OTAKE
            aa here it is) well, Baku is another matter) they were just called from Istisu village, is there such one?) or am I mistaken in the name)

            with this name there are several villages in different regions of Azerbaijan !!
            There is also in Lankaran, I have been there often !!
            This is a resort, my ancestors are from there !!
            In general, all villages with the same name can be said resort, !!)))
            1. OTAKE
              OTAKE 29 March 2013 16: 58 New
              +1
              Quote: Yarbay
              Quote: OTAKE
              aa here it is) well, Baku is another matter) they were just called from Istisu village, is there such one?) or am I mistaken in the name)

              with this name there are several villages in different regions of Azerbaijan !!
              There is also in Lankaran, I have been there often !!
              This is a resort, my ancestors are from there !!
              In general, all villages with the same name can be said resort, !!)))

              Ismayilli district, in) is it far from Baku?) Our relatives live there, and finally we hang out on the other side of the world))
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 39 New
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              Quote: OTAKE
              Ismayilli district, in) is it far from Baku?) Our relatives live there, and finally we hang out on the other side of the world))

              Ismaili district can be said resort !!
              Very beautiful places!
              There is the famous village of Ivanovka where Russian Molokans live !!
            3. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 42 New
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              This is also Ismayilli !!))
              It is two hours drive from Baku !!
            4. OTAKE
              OTAKE 29 March 2013 17: 49 New
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              Quote: Yarbay
              This is also Ismayilli !!))
              It is two hours drive from Baku !!

              Damn, I’m willing to go, so to speak, to the mother’s homeland with my father) but it’s just not possible) and the places are really cheerful, a lot of things are straight, I thought Azerbaijan was more of the steppe or something like that.)
            5. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 18: 07 New
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              Quote: OTAKE
              Damn, I’m willing to go, so to speak, to the mother’s homeland with my father) but it’s just not possible) and the places are really cheerful, a lot of things are straight, I thought Azerbaijan was more of the steppe or something like that.)

              Come anytime, meet with pleasure !!
              Friends from all over the world often come to me, and we travel often to Ismayilli, close and good nature !!
              Write in the face, if that!)))
              we have 9 out of 12 climatic zones, everything is both steppes and mountains and the sea!))))))
  • Gari
    Gari 29 March 2013 12: 26 New
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    [quote = Dima67] If it weren’t for Russia and the weapons that supplied you, plus the regular troops that were at your side, they would weep now, as always, sob !! [/ quote]
    When exactly did the regular troops of Russia fight against you in Karabakh? [/ Quote]
    Dear, I don’t know who they mean, in that war, volunteers fought on our side of the Armenians Russian co-religionists, they also fought like Cossacks,
    but Armenians from all over the world from America to Karabakh are over, there everyone took arms into their own hands to protect their home and land
    but on the side of the enemy are Turkish mercenaries, Chechens led by Shamil Bassaev, and Khattab, there were also Afghan Mujahideen, I can give everything everything on the Internet and there was a broadcast on Ren TV
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 March 2013 18: 15 New
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    Yours also fought. Forgotten already ???? You just don’t have a darling. Only a crowd for one.
  • P-15
    P-15 29 March 2013 09: 13 New
    +2
    At the expense of the trophy, it’s another grandmother for two said)), and about the war, on the battlefield, we’ll look - one on one. Unless of course ..... well, you understand me.
    1. Gari
      Gari 29 March 2013 12: 07 New
      0
      Akram Aisley

      Stone dreams.
      Requiem novel. From Azerbaijani. Translated by M. Huseynzadeh

      Doctor, my dear, doctor ... killed. Such a man, in broad daylight, was beaten, destroyed. These are all erase, doctor, erase. Five or six Yeraz guys ... These bastard refugee children don't respect people at all, doctor, my dear. They recognize neither artists, nor poets, nor writers. Just call someone Armenian - and that’s it. They will immediately throw them under their feet and trample them like wild animals. They will tear apart, and nobody dares to come close ... I tell them: do not beat, this person, I say, is not Armenian, he is our person, the son of our people, the pride and conscience of the nation. Yes, who is listening there. They didn’t even give me their name. They kicked me in the side so that I almost died there. Here is the doctor, on the right side. It is still screaming terribly ...

      There is such a place with a fountain on Parapet - you probably saw it. And from there suddenly a terrible cry rang out. Someone seemed to howl. It turns out that it was an old Armenian. He went out to buy bread and immediately fell into the hands of Yerazam. Right in home clothes ... And in slippers. When I got to that place, the unfortunate one was already killed and thrown into the pool. And his eyes were open, doctor, and he looked right at me. I personally have not seen him killed. And those who were there before said that the Armenian was first thrown into the pool, directly into the icy water. He is an old man, could not stay in the water. I wanted to get out. And these guys stood at the edge of the pool, kicked him until they beat him to death. But Saday Sadigly, may God help him, trouble always circling over his head. Otherwise, why would he be at that time in that damned place? .. He could not stand it, that's all! .. He is an artist, a humane person. The heart could not stand. He rushed to the rescue. And how do these people know who he is and what he is? They are newcomers, alien. So they took him for an Armenian and pounced like wild animals. I’ll be late for even a minute, they would have sent him to the old Armenian. But God was merciful - he remained alive. I beg you, doctor, save him. The life of this great man is now in your hands. - With these pathetic words, the artist finished his speech.

      This is also a fable

      And after that, how the campaign against the Azerbaijani writer Akram Aylisli, who was accused of sympathizing with the Armenians and “betraying” his own people, was gaining momentum. Last week, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev stripped him of his honorary title and presidential pension. One of the local NGOs threatened the writer with a court, saying that he should take away state awards and Azerbaijani citizenship. And at the weekend in the native village of Aylisli, a rally was held at which there were calls for his death.
      1. kNow
        kNow 29 March 2013 12: 33 New
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        Quote: Gari
        Stone dreams.
        Requiem Novel

        This is how you live. Tales. Now tell me what Charles Aznavour said the other day ... For some, these tales are already across the throat ...
        1. Gari
          Gari 29 March 2013 15: 48 New
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          The persecution against Azerbaijani writer Akram Aylisli, who wrote the truth about the Armenian pogroms in his Stone Dreams novel, aroused condemnation in the world, according to a report by the British Broadcasting Corporation BBC.

          “His books were publicly burned. He was deprived of national literary prizes. A senior Azerbaijani politician offered $ 13,000 as a reward to the one who cut off his ear. However, 75-year-old Akram Aylisli, one of the most famous Azerbaijani writers, does not regret writing his short novel Stone Dreams. The book shocked many Azerbaijanis. However, can this be considered the first step towards peace with a long-standing enemy - Armenia? ”, The report says.

          “I knew what I was writing. They say that I offended the nation. However, I believe that it is the other way around: I think I raised my nation, ”Aylisli said in a BBC telephone interview.

          “I foresaw that they would not like it. However, I could not foresee such horror as calls to kill the author, or burn his books. It is very sad that our nation is so humiliating itself. A country where books are burned will not be respected by the rest of the world, ”the writer said.

          The BBC notes that the novel describes the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan throughout the 20th century. The book describes in detail the pogroms of Armenians by the Azerbaijanis, depicting the tragedy of the Armenian side.

          It was already in fascist Germany to burn books, and who after this was a fascist?
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 29 March 2013 14: 25 New
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        Quote: Gari
        Stone dreams.
        Requiem novel. From azerbaijani

        An artistic novel, can you imagine as a historical document?))))
        The trouble of the Armenians is that they lived and live in fairy tales and in fairy tales !!!
  • P-15
    P-15 29 March 2013 09: 15 New
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    At the expense of the trophy, it’s another grandmother for two said)), and about the war, on the battlefield, we’ll look - one on one. Unless of course ..... well, you understand me.
  • kNow
    kNow 29 March 2013 09: 39 New
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    Quote: Gari
    Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?

    What is so new? it is far from new ... We will fight, when you hatch

    Quote: Gari
    We don't want war

    we didn’t want to either, but you imposed on us ...

    Quote: Gari
    gets to us in the form of a trophy

    How are 300 tanks? :)
  • kNow
    kNow 29 March 2013 09: 40 New
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    Quote: Gari
    Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?

    What is so new? it is far from new ... We will fight, when you hatch

    Quote: Gari
    We don't want war

    we didn’t want to either, but you imposed on us ...

    Quote: Gari
    gets to us in the form of a trophy

    How are 300 tanks? :)
  • kNow
    kNow 29 March 2013 09: 41 New
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    Quote: Gari
    Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?

    What is so new? it is far from new ... We will fight, when you hatch

    Quote: Gari
    We don't want war

    we didn’t want to either, but you imposed on us ...

    Quote: Gari
    gets to us in the form of a trophy

    How are 300 tanks? :)
  • kNow
    kNow 29 March 2013 09: 42 New
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    Quote: Gari
    Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?

    What is so new? it is far from new ... We will fight, when you hatch

    Quote: Gari
    We don't want war

    we didn’t want to either, but you imposed on us ...

    Quote: Gari
    gets to us in the form of a trophy

    How are 300 tanks? :)
  • kNow
    kNow 29 March 2013 09: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Gari
    Are you all about the new war? Do not fight?

    What is so new? it is far from new ... We will fight, when you hatch

    Quote: Gari
    We don't want war

    we didn’t want to either, but you imposed on us ...

    Quote: Gari
    gets to us in the form of a trophy

    How are 300 tanks? :)
  • Forget
    Forget 28 March 2013 10: 50 New
    +2
    engineers of the Baku Instrument-Making Plant

    maybe Baku ...
  • Bosk
    Bosk 28 March 2013 12: 52 New
    +3
    Purely visually, this tower on the BTR-re looks like a complete SHIMSHEK ... just looking at this building itching just to sink from something heavy into the joint between the tower and the building ... For the beauty minus, on the subject of the effect ... time will tell .
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 29 March 2013 09: 59 New
      +2
      Why heavy. His SVD beats!
  • OTAKE
    OTAKE 28 March 2013 14: 42 New
    +2
    Quote: Bosk
    Purely visually, this tower on the BTR-re looks like a complete SHIMSHEK ... just looking at this building itching just to sink from something heavy into the joint between the tower and the building ... For the beauty minus, on the subject of the effect ... time will tell .

    Hurry, try .. drown on the usual armored personnel carrier, those who are sitting in the tower will have a full SHIMSHEK, but here it is still uninhabited, so do not carry any shimshka about beauty. )
    1. AlNikolaich
      AlNikolaich 28 March 2013 20: 50 New
      +2
      []
      Quote: OTAKE
      and here it is still uninhabited, so do not carry any shimshka about beauty. )

      And what a freak in the photo? Whose crazy pens work? It can be seen that out of seventy cloned. (But the engineer did not even approach this monster!)
      1. OTAKE
        OTAKE 29 March 2013 06: 55 New
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        Quote: AlNikolaich
        []
        Quote: OTAKE
        and here it is still uninhabited, so do not carry any shimshka about beauty. )

        And what a freak in the photo? Whose crazy pens work? It can be seen that out of seventy cloned. (But the engineer did not even approach this monster!)

        Ukrainians.) From the Morozov Design Bureau like)
      2. OTAKE
        OTAKE 29 March 2013 06: 56 New
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        Quote: AlNikolaich
        []
        Quote: OTAKE
        and here it is still uninhabited, so do not carry any shimshka about beauty. )

        And what a freak in the photo? Whose crazy pens work? It can be seen that out of seventy cloned. (But the engineer did not even approach this monster!)

        Ukrainians.) From the Morozov Design Bureau like)
      3. OTAKE
        OTAKE 29 March 2013 06: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: AlNikolaich
        []
        Quote: OTAKE
        and here it is still uninhabited, so do not carry any shimshka about beauty. )

        And what a freak in the photo? Whose crazy pens work? It can be seen that out of seventy cloned. (But the engineer did not even approach this monster!)

        Ukrainians.) From the Morozov Design Bureau like)
  • General
    General 28 March 2013 20: 26 New
    +4
    our fellows, in the state over the past 4 years a lot of different weapons began to protrude, the military-industrial complex is developing very well, glory to our young engineers, glory to our young school, we will gradually create our own techniques in the future.
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 29 March 2013 09: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: General
      our fellows, in the state over the past 4 years a lot of different weapons began to protrude, the military-industrial complex is developing very well, glory to our young engineers, glory to our young school, we will gradually create our own techniques in the future.
      Calm down the general! Of course, you’re the warriors.
      1. Gari
        Gari 29 March 2013 12: 30 New
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        Azerbaijani sniper rifle "Istiglal."

        Istiglal is an analogue of weapons manufactured by South Africa, but, of course, without licensing, that is, it is stolen.

        It is noted that Istiglal has a number of disadvantages, including poor optics and strong recoil. In addition, sniper weapons cannot be automatic or semi-automatic. According to some reports, Istiglal is being discontinued due to a high degree of trauma due to recoil.
        Quote: Dima67
        Calm down the general! Of course, you’re the warriors.

        You can defeat the berdanks for yours
        1. kNow
          kNow 29 March 2013 12: 48 New
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          Quote: Gari
          without licensing, that is, it is stolen

          Do not confuse us with yours laughing

          Quote: Gari
          It is noted that Istiglal has a number of disadvantages, including poor optics and strong recoil. In addition, sniper weapons cannot be automatic or semi-automatic. According to some reports, Istiglal is being discontinued due to a high degree of trauma due to recoil.

          It is immediately evident that he did not serve. Otherwise, I wouldn’t copy-pasted this garbage ... And find out the estimate of Istiglalu from your own, who serve in combat posts.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 29 March 2013 13: 43 New
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          Quote: Gari
          Istiglal is an analogue of weapons manufactured by South Africa, but, of course, without licensing, that is, it is stolen.

          You write nonsense, but with a smart look))) by the way, the avatar of this buzukhov general of the murderer of women and children Andronic Pasha suits you !!))
          Let's show a sniper rifle from South Africa, which looks like Istiglal and TTX, do not forget to compare))))))))))))))))
          1. Gari
            Gari 29 March 2013 16: 02 New
            0
            And yours, Heroes, didn’t seem to touch, and you didn’t go over and I’m not going to if ethical standards seem
            I have at least my General, and not an avatar, an American cinema and blind general
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 16: 32 New
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              Quote: Gari

              And yours, Heroes, didn’t seem to touch, and you didn’t go over and I’m not going to if ethical standards seem


              It’s not my fault that you took a butcher and one-eared for yourself as a * hero * !!
              even Lieutenant Colonel Tverdokhlebov wrote about this!

              Arriving Andranik took office as Commandant of the fortress; Colonel Morel began to obey him, and we all remained subordinate to Colonel Morel.

              On the day of Andranik’s arrival, one of my officers informed me that at one of the combat sites of the artillery entrusted to me, namely, in the village of Tapa-Koy, the Armenians massacred the entire unarmed civilian population without distinction of gender and (l. 1–38) age.


              http://karabakh-doc.azerall.info/ru/istoch/is001.htm
              1. Gari
                Gari 29 March 2013 19: 17 New
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                He is my Hero and he will remain, and I am proud that my great-grandfather fought at its beginning and defended his land, the Turks slaughtered his whole family his wife and children
                as they cut and expelled more than 1.5 million Armenians, only that they are Armenians
                Shambarov V.E., candidate of technical sciences, member of the Union of Writers of Russia, member of the International Association of Journalists of the Cossacks, military foreman of the Cossack Special Forces named after St. Alexander Nevsky:
                It is far from indifferent to the historian, writer, and publicist what topic to work on. When you have to write about something dirty and vile, then the author involuntarily remains in the soul an unpleasant aftertaste - as if he had passed this dirt through himself. When you write about the sublime and the noble - on the contrary. It’s as if you yourself are cleansed by the soul, you get a charge of something bright and optimistic. This fully applies to such a person as General Andranik Torosovich Ozanyan. I consider it an honor to write an article about him. In addition, for me, as for the Cossack, this is a tribute to the military partnership. After all, Andranik Sasunsky for a long time fought shoulder to shoulder with the Cossacks, for one great cause against a common enemy.
                The main thing is that he was a warrior of Christ. Such consider themselves Cossacks, because they become warriors not by order of the authorities, but from birth. And without demobilization, to death. Andranik Sasunsky was just a warrior, called from Above, and remained so all his life. Without orders, without legal obligation. And on moral duty - he simply felt such a duty in himself. And even the folk tradition was preserved that St. George the Victorious himself was his godfather
                Cossack commanders - Chernozubov, Trukhin, Kulebyakin always spoke of Andranik Sasunsky in the most laudatory tones. Yes, and simple Cossacks treated him accordingly. For example, when they called for hunters of sabotage in the rear of the enemy, having learned that Andranik would command, they said - with this we "will go to hell." But the Cossacks were professional fighters, and to earn such trust from them was by no means easy.

                Name at least one of your hero, and touch our
                1. Apollo
                  Apollo 29 March 2013 19: 30 New
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                  Quote: Gari
                  He is my Hero and he will remain and I am proud


                  So you can be proud of anyone and whatever, it is your right to comment on me this

                  The ex-head of the Central Bank of Armenia does not like the "semi-eastern" billions from Russia: IA REGNUM announces Bagrat Asatryan persona non grata
                  "When Armenians were Christians, Russians were still jumping from tree to tree," ex-head of the Central Bank of Armenia Bagrat Asatryan said at a press conference on March 28, a REGNUM correspondent reports. In his words, "Armenians are Europeans, and they should strive for a Europe built on truly Christian values." "No matter who says anything, no matter how hard the Armenian authorities try to hide it and bypass it, the country has a choice - either Russia or Europe. We are already tired of this life in a backward, semi-eastern manner, broadcast from Russia," the economist said. expressing confidence that - "the future of Armenians in Europe."

                  Details: http://www.regnum.ru/news/polit/1641744.html#ixzz2OwXIsgGM
                  Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM news agency.
                  1. Apollo
                    Apollo 29 March 2013 19: 45 New
                    +1
                    Well, Gari, there’s nothing to hide, all of Azerbaijan’s mistake was that he didn’t join the CSTO. I hope he corrects this mistake in the very near future. And what then?! My advice to you is to change your profile picture. name and nickname is. Clear.
                    1. Gari
                      Gari 29 March 2013 21: 29 New
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                      I didn’t answer because I wasn’t at the computer, I was in the service, I just came home
                      and I’m happy to communicate as an adequate person
                      What is your name ?
                      why I won’t change the avatar,
                      just read the article honestly didn’t even know the ex-head of the Central Bank of Armenia Bagrat Asatryan, who he is at all, but I think it’s clear that a Westerner is not only stupid and so offensive, but if you read it there was another conference participant, former deputy of the Armenian parliament Vardan Bostanjyan objected to the "religious scholar" economist Asatryan, noting that Russia plays an important role in the stability of the Armenian economy. "Last year alone, $ 1,7 billion was received from Russia to Armenia through legal private bank transfers. Add to this the flow of illegal funds, and the figure will be $ 3 billion - a huge figure," the conference guest noted, stressing that "Europe is cannot give Armenia ".

                      According to Bostanjyan, in order to solve these problems, Armenia needs not handouts from the West, but jobs and stable sources of income for the population, which will allow people to live in conditions close to the concept of "dignified life". In addition, Bostanjyan, speaking of Europe, said that "Europeans are promoting immorality by allowing same-sex marriage."

                      What I totally agree with
                      The truth is that when I gave a request to Google on this topic, the answer came only in regnum.ru and in what other link, the newspaper
          2. Gari
            Gari 29 March 2013 17: 06 New
            +2
            Although I myself am a supporter of normal, correct, in the framework of decency and mutual respect for the debate, and only the facts
            Very grateful for your cons, for me the highest rating
            It’s not your fault that your official ideology and escalation bring you to such a state of hatred of malice, but I’m calm that I know and communicate with Azerbaijanis when I meet in Russia, Georgia, we drink normal people, and they don’t need anyone and didn’t need the wrong war , moreover, a new war
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 29 March 2013 17: 47 New
              -3
              Quote: Gari
              It’s not your fault that you have an official ideology

              It’s not your fault that your fascists kill women and children, and your propaganda makes heroes of them !!
              Understand your fascists kill and your peaceful people to develop hatred towards the Turks in you!
              The latest crimes of an Armenian who was robbing and killing elderly Armenians in Istanbul is another fact! He was not even too lazy to cut a cross on his chest for one to think of a Turk !!
              And that you are so worried about the cons)))
              This is an assessment of your cheap copy-paste from Wikipedia, and I told you, Andronikivtsy are always in the red for me!
              I can ply people like George Vanyan, who understand where they are led by Armenian fascism and Nazism !!!
              Well, those Azerbaijanis who know you poor fellow!
              You will betray at the first opportunity and stab in the back !!
              1. Gari
                Gari 29 March 2013 19: 34 New
                -1
                My ancestors lived on their land where they lived for centuries in Western Armenia, Erzurum, Van, Bitlis, Ardvin, lived next to the Turks, and then the Turks slaughtered and expelled the Armenians. My great-grandfather's family was slaughtered when he was away, then my great-grandfather fought under our command. Andranika
                he lost his whole house, his family, his homeland, and after he had to create everything in a foreign land, and this applies to almost every Armenian and after that who are fascists

                Henry Morgenthau - US Ambassador to Turkey 1913-1916
                "The real purpose of the deportation was robbery and extermination; this is indeed a new method of massacre. When the Turkish authorities ordered these deportations, they were effectively sentencing an entire nation to death."
                Hans Wangenheim - German Ambassador to Turkey from 1912-1915
                "If at first the expulsion of the Armenian population was limited to the provinces close to the Caucasian front, then the Turkish authorities extended these actions to those parts of the country that were not under the threat of enemy invasion. These actions, the ways in which the expulsion is carried out, indicate that the Turkish government aims to destroy the Armenian nation in Turkey "
                CM. Kirov

                "The Turks cherish a monstrous dream of the extermination of the entire Armenian population of Turkey! We hear quite a competent statement about this. And it is scary that this, at first glance, incredible thought has a factual basis. From the very first days of the war with Turkey we know that the Turks quite unequivocally justified the above suspicion. Day after day the same nightmarish news came from Turkish Armenia. What the Turks did there, the tears of Armenian women and children will not tell about it, but the barbarously shed blood of the peaceful Armenian population, experiencing inexpressible horror and suffering , gives only some, very distant idea of ​​the calvary of the Armenian people ... After all, we need to be the first to lend a helping hand to the surviving refugees-Armenians who have left their ashes. "
                newspaper "Terek", February 1916

                And here is the main fascist

                A. Hitler

                "AT THE END OF ENDINGS WHO REMEMBER THE ARMENIAN CUTTING?" August 22, 1939
              2. Apollo
                Apollo 29 March 2013 20: 29 New
                +2
                Quote: Yarbay
                It's not your fault


                and this is minus you from me so as not to enter into meaningless conversation, clearly Comrade Yarbai ?!
                1. Gari
                  Gari 29 March 2013 21: 33 New
                  -2
                  Quote: Apollon
                  and this is minus you from me so as not to enter into meaningless conversation, clearly Comrade Yarbai ?!

                  I put a plus, I respect adequate honest people who respectfully approach others, if you read from this topic at the expense of armored personnel carriers what you have come to, and crossed all moral and ethical boundaries

                  Yarbay
                  Well, those Azerbaijanis who know you poor fellow!
                  You will betray at the first opportunity and stab in the back !!

                  What is the middle ages
                2. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 30 March 2013 07: 55 New
                  0
                  Quote: Apollon
                  Clearly Comrade Yarbai ?!


                  talk in that tone at home!
        3. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 29 March 2013 20: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: Gari
          sniper weapons cannot be automatic or semi-automatic

          SVD probably artisanal home-made under a sports cartridge wassat fool
      2. ed65b
        ed65b 29 March 2013 18: 23 New
        -1
        He still did not sing to Assan Aliyev)))))
  • P-15
    P-15 29 March 2013 12: 33 New
    +3
    Quote: Gari
    Sumgait pogrom - ethnic unrest in the city of Sumgait, Azerbaijan SSR, February 27 - 29, 1988, accompanied by massive violence against the Armenian population, robberies, killings, arson and destruction of property

    They were provoked by a certain Eduard Grigoryan and 5 more members of "Krunk" who had arrived in Sumgait from Yerevan shortly before these events. So there is no need to throw from a sore head to a healthy one.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 March 2013 18: 29 New
    +1
    Lord Armenians and Azerbaijanis do not turn the site into a place for showdowns. If you want to prove who is cooler, hammer the arrow in nature and figure it out. Each has its own truth. And you can’t prove to each other.
    1. Gari
      Gari 29 March 2013 19: 38 New
      0
      quote = ed65b] Sirs The Armenians and Azerbaijanis do not turn the site into a place for showdowns. If you want to prove who is cooler, hammer the arrow in nature and figure it out. Each has its own truth. And you can’t prove to each other. [/ Quote]
      I completely agree with the article about military equipment, but then it was transferred to a virtual war where they only try to humiliate and insult my nation, our national heroes and me personally. I did not start the first, but I can’t put up with it all
      I agree to the arrow in nature without any problems
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 March 2013 07: 59 New
        +1
        Quote: Gari
        but then she was transferred to a virtual war where they are only trying to humiliate and insult my nation, our national heroes and me personally

        Mlyn kindergarten !!))))
        Who translated the conversation?)))
        And you answered my video link about Grigoryan, is this also your national hero?)))))
        Quote: Gari
        I agree to the arrow in nature without any problems

        Well, enough to get there a)))))
        He agrees)))) all Rimbaud Mlyn))))))))))))))
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 30 March 2013 09: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Gari
        I did not start first

        Have you brought to the place false information about the division of the property of the USSR army ??
        was that the topic ??
        1. Gari
          Gari 30 March 2013 13: 04 New
          -2
          Apollon Yesterday, 20:29 ↑ 2
          Quote: Yarbay
          It's not your fault

          and this is minus you from me so as not to enter into meaningless conversation, clearly Comrade Yarbai ?!
          I’m glad that not all of you are like you, and teiab are put in their place, although you are kind of not Azerbaijani, you can see the Turk
          An outsider suggested manly in nature, and not here on rat rat cons I used to put the virtual Rimbauds, and who wanders this
          1. Gari
            Gari 30 March 2013 13: 32 New
            0
            again, only the cons are understandably masculine
    2. Gari
      Gari 29 March 2013 23: 20 New
      0
      Only cons and put on ,, manly ,,
  • Gari
    Gari 29 March 2013 21: 36 New
    0
    With normal and adequate people, we can drink and not only tea
  • knn54
    knn54 29 March 2013 22: 41 New
    0
    I heard this news about 5 years ago, when the guys from the MOAZ conversion department raked out all the spare parts for the armored personnel carrier from storage. With the help of the West, 2 modern factories were built in Azerbaijan to modernize military equipment. It was said that the South African remote control module was much cheaper than the Russian Serdyukov tower. in the price "took into account" 30% -40% rollback .. And now MOU and MOAZ jointly (not without success) participate in international tenders.
  • ed65b
    ed65b 29 March 2013 23: 15 New
    +1
    Azerbaijanis are minus, then we are on the right road. and it pleases.
    1. Gari
      Gari 30 March 2013 00: 32 New
      0
      I didn’t start the first one, you can answer with facts, cut the truth let's
      here to put all sorts of minuses,
      Quote: ed65b
      Azerbaijanis are minus, then we are on the right road. and it pleases

      agree