Military Review

North Korea: hunger - not aunt

258
On Wednesday night, South Korean troops in the region bordering the DPRK for a few hours were given in increased combat readiness. The South Korean border guard released a grenade into an “unidentified object”, allegedly moving in the border zone. The grenade incident happened around 2.30 local time (21.30 on Tuesday, Moscow time) when a soldier was on duty at one of the border posts in Hvachon district, 118 kilometers northeast of Seoul. The “unidentified object”, it seemed to the watchful border guard, was wandering near the barbed wire fence - the demilitarized zone, which represents fortified mined strip of land 4 km wide and 248 km long. From the north, along the DMZ, according to Seoul, is concentrated up to 70% of the forces and facilities of the Korean Peoples Army. After the "incident" combat readiness of troops in the county has been promoted to the level of “Chindoge-1” (this level is introduced when there is a threat of an armed invasion from the territory of the DPRK). Then the military conducted reconnaissance of the territories adjacent to the border post. The alarm was lifted in 09.20. No signs of the threat of invasion of the DPRK were found.


North Korea: hunger - not aunt


The day before стало известноthat the North Korean command brought all the missile and artillery units of the armed forces of the country into full combat readiness. This was reported by the Central Telegraph Agency of Korea.

It seems that Kim Jong-un from words goes to the point. The command order touched, in particular, strategic missile units and long-range artillery. The missile units were ordered to prepare not for anything, but for strikes against the continental territory of the United States, as well as against the islands of Guam and Hawaii.

The message from the CTC says: "From this point on, the high command of the Korean Peoples Army puts into full combat readiness all long-range artillery units, including strategic missile units, which will target all enemy bases on the continental United States, Hawaii and Guam."

On the eve, reminds “Interfax”, Kim Jong-un was present at the artillery firing and watched the actions of the gunners to prevent the landing of amphibious assault. Addressing the gunners, the leader emphasized the need to "destroy all enemies to the last man ..."

Even earlier, the North Korean state portal "Uriminzokkiri" posted hosting a propaganda video on the successful advancement of North Korean paratroopers to South Korea and the “three-day war”, before the plan of which blitzkrieg Adolf Hitler blinks.

The footage shows how North Korea conducts artillery shelling and launches missiles in the direction of enemy territory. After artillery training, valiant DPRK troops cross the border. They are supported Tanks, armored vehicles, helicopters and fighters. Against the background of these "events", the announcer broadcasts that the DPRK "will occupy Seoul and other cities and take 150 American citizens hostage." On the third day of the war, according to the scenario, Seoul and other South Korean cities will plunge into chaos. There will be no food, no water, no communications.

Then, obviously, the two separated by the imperialists of Korea will be reunited. Kim Jong-un's dream will come true. And northerners eat plenty of South Korean food. That is why it will not be there.

After watching an awesome video, General Jeon Seung Cho and Chairman of the Committee of the Chiefs of Staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Korea, General James Thurman, commander of the armed forces of the Republic of Korea, signed a plan to fight against North Korean provocations. About it says in a press release received by ITAR-TASS by the command of the US armed forces in Kazakhstan: “The unified plan, in which the Republic of Korea plays a major role with the support of the United States, is an emergency response program for future North Korean provocations. Its development began on the basis of mutual agreements reached between the chairmen of the committee of chiefs of staff of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the joint committee of the chiefs of staff of the United States Air Force after shelling by North Korean artillery of Yonphyo Island (November 2010). ”

Using the preparation of this plan, the document says, "the Allies increased their readiness to immediately and decisively respond to any provocations from North Korea."

Under provocations are meant invasion of border areas, as well as violation of the airspace of South Korea. According to the plan, the US armed forces will not only participate in full-scale hostilities, but also be able to intervene in small clashes between the DPRK and the ROK.

The DPRK also found provocations with which it intended to fight. 27 March стало известноthat the DPRK MFA appealed to the UN Security Council. The situation in the Korean Peninsula is “extremely tense because of the provocative actions of the United States and South Korea,” the statement said. The provocative actions of diplomats attributed the ongoing US-South Korean maneuvers using the B-52 bombers. Pyongyang also noted that US strategic missiles "are now aimed at the DPRK, and US nuclear submarines equipped with nuclear weapons, are off the South Korean coast. " The text of the document is summarized: "As a result, the threat of a nuclear war on the Korean Peninsula has become real."

State Department spokesman Patrick Wentrell believes that North Korea will not achieve anything with its threats: "The threats and provocations of the DPRK will not achieve anything, they lead it to even greater isolation and undermine international efforts to ensure peace and stability in Northeast Asia." According to the diplomat, “the militant rhetoric and threats from North Korea are a model of the decision on forcing tension and intimidation.”

In general, it is true. You can add: this rhetoric is also almost pure bluff. And bluff, assuming the existence of humor in North Korea, is ironic. However, the big question is who in the world is forcing tension and intimidation, and who is forced to bite off to this intimidation. If in peace rating Stockholm International Peace Research Institute for QNUMX year Qatar, arming jihadist militants in Syria and on its border, stands at 2012-m place, and the United States - at 12-m, then North Korea takes 88 place from 152. (Russia, by the way, is on 158-m - so it is more dangerous than the DPRK).

Probably, Russia and the DPRK want to kindle the flames of war on the planet, and Qatar is fighting for peace in Syria. Yes, with this explanation, everything falls into place.

In fact, in the DPRK, although there is no mass starvation, the problem of malnutrition still exists, and it is at least biased to write it off. Although the DPRK is a closed country, something is known about it. Approximately 15% of the population there today is undernourished. In January 2013, the Asia Press Portal опубликовал report, which investigates cases of famine in the north-eastern outskirts of Pyongyang. The main reason for the famine is not politics, but the poor harvest of 2012 of the year, which killed several thousand people.

In March, 2013, due to the 12 February nuclear tests, the Security Council imposed new sanctions on the DPRK, which also affected the welfare of the nation. The complex of measures approved by the UN is designed, inter alia, to curb the illegal activities of North Korean banks and diplomats. Also, the Security Council document provides for increased control over the goods imported and exported from the territory of North Korea. By the way, in response, TsTAK has spread statement by the representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the DPRK, which states that Pyongyang "does not recognize the new resolution of the UN Security Council and considers it a" criminal document. " A representative of the North Korean Foreign Ministry noted that the ultimate goal of the policy "aimed at disarming the DPRK and strangling it economically is the elimination of the ideology and system chosen by the Korean people." A foreign ministry spokesman warned that the DPRK "will take decisive countermeasures in self-defense and will eventually unleash a great war for the reunification of the motherland if the United States chooses conflict." The diplomat announced North Korea’s intention to "strengthen its nuclear deterrent forces and launch carrier rockets in order to continue the struggle and win the final victory, relying on its own forces."

The key here is to “strangle it economically.” The nuclear program of the DPRK is aimed precisely at ensuring that the United States continues to provide economic assistance to Pyongyang. This, by the way, does not mean that Pyongyang will abandon the Juche doctrine and from aspirations to a bright communist future. Nor does this mean that UN will cease to make a demand to recognize his country as a nuclear power. He will simply refrain from new tests for a while - in exchange for food. The West must pay for its temporary bourgeois peace — something like this must be reasoned in North Korea.

In Pyongyang, they don’t want to give in to America and the UN, that is, to completely abandon their nuclear plans. There is a reason for that too, and quite a weighty one.

Rumor has it that Kim Jong Un and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad are two pair of boots and friends do not spill water, and that where uranium is, there is plutonium. Gaddafi gave way to the West, well, and these two, who heard on TV the enthusiastic "wow" of bloodthirsty Mrs. Clinton, will stand their ground.

Muammar did not just make a mistake, wanting to appease the West - he made a strategic miscalculation, which will be followed by generations of the following politicians - the leaders of those countries that do not follow the US. It is said that people learn from their mistakes, but the Libyan colonel made such a mistake, on which one can and must learn from others. Because if the same Eun does not learn from it, then they will continue to learn from his example. With him will be the same thing that happened to the brave, but rather trusting colonel. The moderately aggressive rhetoric of Ahmadinejad is explained in the same way. In February, the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran said that Tehran already possesses nuclear potential, although it is only defensive in nature. Comrade Ahmadinejad Advised the international community to treat Iran as a nuclear power, as such is the Islamic Republic.

This, of course, propaganda. But until now, no one in Iran is fussing. Neither Israel (Netanyahu ruled there, a Cubist government artist, author of the famous “Red Lines” canvas), nor the United States (where the DPRK is seriously worried about the new Defense Minister) are in no hurry to bomb the centrifuges. Both Tel Aviv and Washington have distinguished themselves so far in battles on the field of rhetoric. In essence, if you look at them, they simply set the style of behavior for both Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong Un.

The second parallel between the Iranian and North Korean leaders is that one constantly talks about building new, improved centrifuges, making it clear to the Six countries and the IAEA that the Tehran will not abandon its programs, and with sanctions, they say, they will not break us, and the other stubbornly continues its test program (an underground nuclear explosion in February), as if deliberately provoking the West to sanctions. Today we made an underground explosion, and tomorrow it will crash on the ground. Somewhere in Hawaii. Or on Guam. Missiles will fly, and a horde of brave soldiers total 1,1 million people. in the name of the triumph of the doctrine, Juche will invade Washington, New York and Philadelphia. Everything will be even faster and worse than in one Hollywood film, about which quite a lot has been written in recent days. By the way, the Koreans will cope with the imperialist enemy alone, without the help of the Russians. It was not for nothing that they left the agreements on non-aggression and the denuclearization of the peninsula concluded after the Korean War. In addition, the Russians, like the Chinese, agreed with the Security Council’s sanctions against the DPRK.

In a word, Colonel Gaddafi - rest in peace for him - truly gave his death historical an example to all those who want to pin down the heavy boot of an American or some other military, a rabid lover of a “preventive” war in the name of the so-called “democratic values” or the so-called “national security”.

Thus, the behavior of Pyongyang in the international arena consists of two main factors: 1) half-starved people of the DPRK need food, while overseas capitalists must supply the Juche regime, they will not lose from these fat cats; 2) Gaddafi’s unenviable fate and destroyed Libya instead of the prosperous Jamahiriya as an unforgettable lesson of NATO democracy.

At the same time, the bellicose rhetoric of both Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-un predetermines, whatever one may say, the West, which pokes its nose everywhere. By the way, the periodic appearance in the media of various rumors about cooperation between North Korea and Iran, including in the field of nuclear weapons testing, and even Iran’s sponsorship of the latter is probably a good way to blackmail the United States and its allies.

Let it be so, but the situation is in a geopolitical field of dead-end. Hardly anyone is seriously afraid (except for Chuck Hagel) that Pyongyang will go to Washington, and especially the propaganda videos mounted in the DPRK do not scare anyone. But, on the other hand, both the USA, and Japan, and China, and especially South Korea, may be wary of instability in North Korea. Anything can be the cause of instability: mass hunger, the negative impact of a set of UN sanctions, the White House’s overly aggressive rhetoric, Kim Jong-un's bad mood due to a quarrel with Lee Sol Zhu, an unsuccessful nuclear test, a grenade-laden South Korean border guard, and so on. Therefore, the only question today is who will quickly feed the carriers of the Juche doctrine.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
258 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must to register.

I have an account? Sign in

  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 March 2013 08: 15 New
    13
    "According to the plan, the US armed forces will not only participate in full-scale hostilities, but will also be able to intervene in small clashes between the DPRK and the Republic of Kazakhstan."

    Come on guys ahead and with the song. You would stir up the second Korean war, only to make it like the Vietnam War. wink
    1. Santa bear
      Santa bear 28 March 2013 08: 39 New
      21
      Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 08: 50 New
        +6
        Quote: Santa Bear
        and China will not directly harness for the DPRK - the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable.

        Are you sure you won’t? China will receive in such a warrior what its army lacks, namely combat experience.
        1. Hon
          Hon 28 March 2013 09: 38 New
          18
          China is the main trading partner of the United States, commodity circulation between the countries of about 400 billion. And what does cooperation with the DPRK give China?
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          China will receive in such a warrior what its army lacks, namely combat experience.

          That is, China is ready to risk economic development, and financial well-being, in order to play war games?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 09: 41 New
            +6
            Quote: Hon
            That is, China is ready to risk economic development, and financial well-being, in order to play war games?

            In this case, the United States risks both financially and politically. China will win in both cases.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 28 March 2013 09: 59 New
              +6
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In this case, the United States risks both financially and politically. China will win in both cases.

              - I agree. Yes, there is no choice in China. The DPRK will lose - there will be a large and powerful Korea near China. That. that big and powerful - less than half the trouble. The fact that the faithful satellite of Amers is a disaster for China. Bases in a five-minute flight of ICBMs, and even tactical missiles from the most powerful and backbone cities of China - Shanghai, Beijing and others - are a reality after the fall of the DPRK. Do you really think that China will do this?
              Quote: Hon
              That is, China is ready to risk economic development, and financial well-being, in order to play war games?
              - Non, please answer what you think? what place? Sorry, but these are serious questions, because your arguments involuntarily suggest suggestions that you might find offensive.
            2. Hon
              Hon 28 March 2013 10: 03 New
              +6
              That is, if the United States stops buying Chinese goods, China will win ?! How?! China cannot do without the United States as well as the United States without China. Currently, the annual human exchange of the two countries reaches 3 million entries and exits, 110 passenger flights fly between the two shores of the Pacific weekly, at the beginning of 2011 120 thousand Chinese were studying in the USA, more than 20 thousand Americans were studying in China.
              China is extremely interested in maintaining the US market, which is the largest for China, and attracting foreign investments, mainly from the USA. This enables the country to maintain high rates of economic growth, even during a recession, and to develop the most backward sectors of the economy. China also needs funds to modernize the PLA (People's Liberation Army of China).
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 28 March 2013 10: 14 New
                +4
                Quote: Hon
                China is extremely interested in maintaining the US market,

                - So what? For this, give the DPRK and agree to the Amer bases in five minutes of flight from very important cities in China?
                Meanwhile, China has already put a cross on such export dependence on the United States. He has his own population, which is under-consuming, and even as under-consuming! Help me every day see how I buy their beer for three yuan (Pearl River, capacity - 0,7 l, I recommend if you will be there) and they have not tried it! Never in my life! Expensive! For them!
                So, it’s enough to transfer and sharpen the Chinese economy in such a way that it would grow from the growth of domestic consumption - and China can grow stably for 50 years only on this reserve!
                And now this policy is visible. The rise in Chinese wages from an unfortunate 30 bucks a month just eight years ago has already grown ten times! Three hundred people in China will not surprise anyone! Is such a wage increase useful for export? Again the question - what do you think? Explain why such a wage increase? Or do you already understand?
                You are behind the times and think categories of five years ago. Wake up! Now is not 2007, now is 2013!
                1. Hon
                  Hon 28 March 2013 10: 47 New
                  +7
                  Quote: aksakal
                  For this, give the DPRK and agree to the Amer bases in five minutes of flight from very important cities in China?

                  And to hell with the Americans bomb their own factories ?!
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 49 New
                    +3
                    Quote: Hon
                    And to hell with the Americans bomb their own factories ?!

                    Money can be withdrawn, but the factories will remain Chinese.
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 28 March 2013 12: 46 New
                      +4
                      The plants will remain Chinese and the buyers will continue to be American. Even if purchasing power rises sharply in China itself, they will not give up such a greasy cake as the United States. A break in relations with the United States bodes for China with a 400 billion decline in trade. This is an astronomical sum! And for what reason to bear such losses? For the sake of the DPRK? So they climb into trouble.
                      1. ssergn
                        ssergn 29 March 2013 10: 57 New
                        +3
                        Quote: Hon
                        they will not give up such a fat cake like the United States



                        Then answer the simple question - WHY does China convert export-import settlements with a number of countries into national currencies (for example, ruble-yuan or rupee-yuan, etc.)?
                    2. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 28 March 2013 13: 00 New
                      -3
                      Money can be withdrawn, but the factories will remain Chinese.
                      And then what. For example, there is a chemical production, knowing those piping, I can stop the reactor shops so that they can be removed. And without knowing all the rules for launching these, it is impossible to get the right product. And Remote Control is now not easy to implement, VERY simple.
                    3. No_more
                      No_more 28 March 2013 14: 35 New
                      +2
                      In the near future, the United States will not do without China, because China's main resource is cheap labor, which, coupled with developed infrastructure and production, provides a minimal increase in the value of goods. Without China, in the USA, prices for everything will rise several times, because this will not only entail the entrainment of labor costs (including social payments an order of magnitude superior to Chinese), but also taxes, and funds for expanding production and infrastructure, and changing channels for supplying resources. The USA is not ready for such expenses if it intends to compensate them, and if it does not, then American and other consumers are not ready for such an increase in prices. And the USA will not fight with China, just as China will enter into direct conflict with the USA.

                      China and the United States are now similar to relatives who do not like each other - they do not want to be friends, but alas, they are very closely connected with each other.
                      1. ochakow703
                        ochakow703 29 March 2013 06: 15 New
                        +1
                        The Chinese will not merge the Americans with Korea. In addition to business, there is also its own security, and the Chinese understand this very well. And one still does not need to discount the "kinship of souls" of two peoples and two ideologies.
                      2. ssergn
                        ssergn 29 March 2013 11: 02 New
                        +3
                        Quote: No_more
                        because China's main resource is cheap labor


                        Not quite so, you have already been shown above that China is no longer a cheap slave, but taking into account the cost of logistics, even more so. And the United States, by the way, understands the same thing and already today they are starting to place production directly at their side - in Mexico, because in Mexico in some respects the salary is even less than the Chinese. So do not live by stereotypes. laughing
                  2. Su24
                    Su24 31 March 2013 14: 48 New
                    -1
                    You have no strategic thinking.
                2. laurbalaur
                  laurbalaur 28 March 2013 12: 17 New
                  +5
                  agree to amer bases in five minutes flight from very important cities in China?
                  aksakal Well, Taiwan, do you not take into account? With him (Taiwan), the PRC has been agreeing for nearly 70 years, I am already silent about such a thing as "Japan's aircraft carrier."
                3. dusha233
                  dusha233 28 March 2013 18: 46 New
                  0
                  And also Harbin beer, different sorts of 0,6 for 2 yuan .... great beer !!!
                4. dusha233
                  dusha233 28 March 2013 18: 46 New
                  +1
                  And also Harbin beer, different sorts of 0,6 for 2 yuan .... great beer !!!
                5. dusha233
                  dusha233 28 March 2013 18: 47 New
                  +2
                  And also Harbin beer, different sorts of 0,6 for 2 yuan .... great beer !!! Sold on every corner - for Russians !!!
                  1. Gemar
                    Gemar 29 March 2013 11: 06 New
                    -1
                    Quote: dusha233
                    And also Harbin beer, different sorts of 0,6 for 2 yuan .... great beer !!! Sold on every corner - for Russians !!!

                    Why for the Russians? The Chinese are also whipping him! yes
                6. Avenger711
                  Avenger711 29 March 2013 03: 06 New
                  +3
                  In principle, missiles can now be even in Japan, even in South Korea, a piece of land controlled by the DPRK does not play a role here. The issue is exclusively political, the Japanese will agree with the Koreans for accommodation.
                  1. Denis
                    Denis 29 March 2013 16: 02 New
                    0
                    Quote: Avenger711
                    The issue is exclusively political, the Japanese agree with the Koreans on the placement
                    Is it when they asked?
                7. Gemar
                  Gemar 29 March 2013 11: 05 New
                  +2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Pearl River

                  Hmm ... and how do you drink it? sad I recommend Haerbin (Harbin) Xuehua (Snowflake), it is cheaper, but the taste ... Although the taste and color ... markers are different.
                  Quote: aksakal
                  and they have not tried it! Never in my life! Expensive! For them!

                  Leave ... They need it ??? They drink Xiaoshao for 1 yuan / half a liter (70%).
                  Quote: aksakal
                  And now this policy is visible. The rise in Chinese wages from an unfortunate 30 bucks a month just eight years ago has already grown ten times! Three hundred people in China will not surprise anyone!

                  That's it ... And you say that beer for 0,5 bucks can not afford. Yes, every Chinese now has a lot of relatives (they gave birth to less), in an extreme case, his uncle or grandmother will not let him die - he will buy a beer for his relatives. And, unlike us, he will return the container from under the beer and receive one yuan for this bottle back. hi
              2. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 28 March 2013 10: 19 New
                +6
                Quote: Hon
                That is, if the United States stops buying Chinese goods, China will win ?! How?! China cannot do without the United States as well as the United States without China.

                The USA cannot live without Chinese goods, and China lives on the money from their sale. There is a slightly different dependence. No wonder the main Chinese pulled to Moscow after the election, they break through the rear in case of a major mess. And it seems to me that the Americans may continue to point blank not to notice Chinese aid to Korea, and the Chinese will not advertise it very much. And although everything will be clear to everyone, they will pretend that everything is in openwork.
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 28 March 2013 11: 47 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  And it seems to me that the Americans may continue to point blank not to notice Chinese aid to Korea, and the Chinese will not advertise it very much. And although everything will be clear to everyone, they will pretend that everything is in openwork.
                  - so this is what politics is all about laughing laughing laughing This we still see! laughing
                  Amer now pretend that in Syrian militants they somehow see angels, except without wings. We in Assad see the same angel, although Assad is not sinless, what is there to hide? Guys, for a long time you need to see what is hidden not deep underground, but only slightly sprinkled with grass laughing
                2. ssergn
                  ssergn 29 March 2013 11: 04 New
                  -1
                  Yes, this is politics
              3. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: Hon
                That is, if the United States stops buying Chinese goods, China will win ?!

                The United States will not stop buying Chinese goods, simply because there are no others in the world !!!
                Quote: Hon
                China cannot do without USA

                China is swelling a ton of money into the domestic sector and will solve these problems, not immediately, but it will.
                1. atalef
                  atalef 28 March 2013 17: 13 New
                  -1
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  China is swelling a ton of money into the domestic sector and will solve these problems, not immediately, but it will.

                  And all this is just for that. to save a half-fool with Ya. O and his hungry crowd? China supported all sanctions against the DPRK - what do you think?
                  1. ssergn
                    ssergn 29 March 2013 11: 14 New
                    +2
                    Quote: atalef
                    what do you think?


                    No, not only, but also in order to undermine the power of the United States, because they do not stop buying Chinese from this. For example, a friend of the states brought a bunch of clothes to my little son, and I didn’t even hear such brands. So - ON ALL things - made in China. As I understand it, all the rags that are sold in the states are sewn in China.
              4. ziqzaq
                ziqzaq 28 March 2013 14: 36 New
                +3
                Quote: Hon
                That is, if the United States stops buying Chinese goods, China will win ?!

                America, even during the war with Hitler, did not stop trading with Germany, so the war was war, and lunch was scheduled ....
              5. Gluxar_
                Gluxar_ 29 March 2013 19: 31 New
                -1
                Quote: Hon
                That is, if the United States stops buying Chinese goods, China will win ?! How?! China cannot do without the United States as well as the United States without China. Currently, the annual human exchange of the two countries reaches 3 million entries and exits, 110 passenger flights fly between the two shores of the Pacific weekly, at the beginning of 2011 120 thousand Chinese were studying in the USA, more than 20 thousand Americans were studying in China. China is extremely interested in maintaining the US market, which is the largest for China, and attracting foreign investments, mainly from the USA. This enables the country to maintain high rates of economic growth, even during a recession, and to develop the most backward sectors of the economy. China also needs funds to modernize the PLA (People's Liberation Army of China)

                Much is true, but China has buyers in addition to the United States. But the United States has little choice. And most importantly, the US has already declared war on China, so far in words. It is foolish to sacrifice your future in the historical perspective for some money.
              6. Su24
                Su24 31 March 2013 14: 45 New
                -1
                So you yourself recognize the mutual nature of dependence, where is the logic? If the relationship is mutual, then China will be able to maintain the status quo, i.e. It will not extend its influence to South Korea, but North Korea will not give up.
            3. andrejwz
              andrejwz 28 March 2013 10: 05 New
              +4
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              In this case, the United States risks both financially and politically.

              I agree completely. Today, the image of the United States, these are the years of work of the propaganda about their coolness. Any major military conflict, and even without the participation of NATO countries, will blow up the states from the inside. And the DPRK will receive assistance, albeit not explicit
            4. svp67
              svp67 30 March 2013 05: 59 New
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              China will win in both cases.


              The question is very controversial. It is very rare when a defeat occurs, and such a scenario with regard to the DPRK (which China stands behind) is not ruled out, it can be a win, here you have to try very hard ...
          2. svp67
            svp67 28 March 2013 10: 14 New
            -1
            Quote: Hon
            China is the main trading partner of the United States, commodity circulation between the countries of about 400 billion. And what does cooperation with the DPRK give China?



            Yes, a lot, from an almost "gratuitous" labor force, to keeping "regional" the regional economic competitors — the Republic of Japan and Japan and the world — the USA
            1. vitya29111973
              vitya29111973 29 March 2013 02: 47 New
              -2
              In China, a third of the population is partly employed, in a word unemployed. And who told you that the North Koreans work in China !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DPRK closed country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          3. opkozak
            opkozak 28 March 2013 13: 31 New
            +8
            Hunger is not aunt


            See how the railway is built in North Korea.


            And which trains and which road go in China.
            the muggle photo is Shanghai.


            China no longer knows what to do with North Korea. Neither economically nor politically, the paths practically do not converge. China has gone far ahead and on the side. In China, a normal life, there is where to work, what to eat and what to wear. + developed socialism.
            In Korea...
            1. JonnyT
              JonnyT 28 March 2013 13: 54 New
              +3
              do not idealize china. They have enough problems with the roads
              1. opkozak
                opkozak 28 March 2013 14: 09 New
                +7
                It is clear that the Chinese is worthless, I myself know the quality of Chinese machine tools and cars. But!!!
                He puts the railroad here such a track layer.

                And Korean workers don't even have gloves. And sleepers are made of everything in a row, without tarring. Look at the quality of wood in stacks and the quality of processing.
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 15 New
                  +4
                  If the sleepers are from larch (it’s not very clear what kind of tree), then nothing needs to be tarred there. And if just a pine, then ..... bad.
              2. QWERTY
                QWERTY 28 March 2013 20: 32 New
                +3
                The photo is strange. With such rails, the train would get off, and all around would dig up at the descent. Those. it’s not from the impact of the wheelset on the rails. And the sleepers are not ground, but impregnated with creosote, as a result of which they do not rot (ideally), and insects do not eat them.
              3. QWERTY
                QWERTY 28 March 2013 20: 32 New
                +1
                The photo is strange. With such rails, the train would get off, and all around would dig up at the descent. Those. it’s not from the impact of the wheelset on the rails. And the sleepers are not ground, but impregnated with creosote, as a result of which they do not rot (ideally), and insects do not eat them.
              4. QWERTY
                QWERTY 28 March 2013 20: 33 New
                -1
                The photo is strange. With such rails, the train would get off, and all around would dig up at the descent. Those. it’s not from the impact of the wheelset on the rails. And the sleepers are not ground, but impregnated with creosote, as a result of which they do not rot (ideally), and insects do not eat them.
            2. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 28 March 2013 14: 03 New
              +4
              Well, if you were surrounded by sanctions and constantly pressured economically, I think you will also go to the fodder.
          4. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 29 March 2013 19: 28 New
            -1
            Quote: Hon
            That is, China is ready to risk economic development, and financial well-being, in order to play war games?

            Or maybe ... China is ready to strike an aging monster before it prepares and strangles China itself?
          5. Su24
            Su24 31 March 2013 14: 41 New
            -1
            Rather, the United States will not risk relations with China and provide serious assistance to the South. China will not allow the border with the American satellite to spread directly to its territories.
        2. atalef
          atalef 28 March 2013 17: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Are you sure you won’t? China will receive in such a warrior what its army lacks, namely combat experience

          Alexander, for the sake of combat experience, China will butt with the States? Are you serious laughing
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 16 New
            +2
            And what, the Chinese are very different from the Koreans in appearance? Dressed in the same uniform, the same weapon and partisan.
            1. Beck
              Beck 28 March 2013 17: 54 New
              -12
              The main reason for all this tension is the ideology of socialism, densely spiced with Juche ideas.

              Communist theory itself was flawed at its core and conception. Therefore, the socialist economic system collapsed around the world after 70 years of its inception. A fragment remained in the form of the DPRK, which shows the peoples of the world how to live.

              North Korea is a reflection of the USSR, only on a small scale.
              There and there.
              Communist idea - The whole world of violence we will destroy to the ground,
              And then we are ours, we will build a new world.
              Who was nothing, that will become everything.
              Socialist flawed economy - The low level of well-being of the people in the USSR and the hunger of the people in the DPRK.
              Stupid, constant propaganda. - About own greatness and depravity of the rest of the world.
              The prevalence of armament spending in the budget
              Possession of nuclear weapons and intimidation by its use.

              And we once lived like that.
        3. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 28 March 2013 18: 02 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          namely combat experience.

          Rather than combat experience, but deployment experience in the event of a military threat. Things will most likely not reach a massive mess. request
        4. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 28 March 2013 18: 02 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          namely combat experience.

          Rather than combat experience, but deployment experience in the event of a military threat. Things will most likely not reach a massive mess. request
      2. predator.3
        predator.3 28 March 2013 08: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Santa Bear
        . and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 28 March 2013 10: 41 New
          -2
          Opa gangnam saaaile ..... op, op op op op .... lol
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 51 New
            +6
            Quote: Natalia
            Opa gangnam saaaile ..... op, op op op op ..

            Natasha, eat lemon wink
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 28 March 2013 16: 28 New
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Natasha, eat lemon

              lol laughing .....what for? winked
              1. Nick
                Nick 28 March 2013 21: 10 New
                +1
                Quote: Natalia
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Natasha, eat lemon
                .....what for?

                Whatever life seems like honey ... laughing
      3. Skiff
        Skiff 28 March 2013 09: 25 New
        +5
        Yes, the DPRK doesn’t need to fight, if the current regime collapses, hordes of hungry Koreans will rush into the Republic of Kazakhstan and this will be that collapse, plus the uncontrolled proliferation of weapons and technologies.
      4. svp67
        svp67 28 March 2013 09: 43 New
        +6
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.




        And who told you that China will sit idly by, let a couple of millions of “volunteers” pass through its border, with all the armament and all ....
        And this "mess" of China may be on hand, removed from the map of the economic rival - Kazakhstan ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 28 March 2013 10: 03 New
          +4
          Quote: svp67
          And this "mess" of China may be on hand, removed from the map of the economic rival - Kazakhstan ...

          - in any case, it’s very serious to weaken South Korea with the help of war through a satellite, which, as an economy, is of no interest, but as a war machine, it’s really nothing — I would use it.
          I would also have found a way to set the satellite on Yapia too, to avenge the islands and also weaken it.
          It seems to me that Eun is so militant precisely because they push him approvingly in the back. Who? Who benefits?
      5. Hort
        Hort 28 March 2013 09: 48 New
        +5
        Well, yes, there will be one Korea, only it will be radioactive
        1. fduch
          fduch 28 March 2013 14: 00 New
          -1
          they said do not get along with Japan, catch the infection .... fool
      6. svp67
        svp67 28 March 2013 09: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.




        And who told you that China will sit idly by, let a couple of “volunteers” pass through its border, with all the weapons and all ....
        And this "mess" of China may be on hand, removed from the map of the economic rival - Kazakhstan ...
      7. andrejwz
        andrejwz 28 March 2013 10: 10 New
        +4
        Quote: Santa Bear
        and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.

        Kim Jong-un that you personally offended something? I think that he does not even know about your existence.
        1. Santa bear
          Santa bear 28 March 2013 11: 14 New
          -1
          with all due respect, but I believe that even being personally unfamiliar with Mr. Kim Jong-un, I have the right to express my opinion on his personality based on his public statements and actions. and honestly, the picture is not the most pleasant.
        2. NOBODY EXCEPT US
          NOBODY EXCEPT US 28 March 2013 11: 26 New
          +4
          Look the truth, he is really FAT, but unlike his dad and grandfather, he is just a military puppet inside the country .....
      8. rodevaan
        rodevaan 28 March 2013 11: 08 New
        +7
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.


        - I think it’s not worth saying what would happen to South Korea if Pin-got during the first Korean war did not get there with his military. At least the “shit of the shit democracy" weaned to boast to the whole world with their flying sheds, which were shot in the sky of Korea almost a hundred pieces.
        By the way, as you know, during the Second World War, Fritz could not cope with this misfortune of pin-dos by the forces of even their "best" aces. And the "nursery of shit democracy" leveled the floor of Germany.

        As for China, you're talking in vain so confidently about it. Do not forget - now China, and not anyone else, as never before holds S.ShP for eggs economically. And if they want to deal with the States, they will easily bring down their economy. And the whole world economic system will collapse. So do not underestimate China now. Moreover, Pin-dosna will not rock the boat for China now.
        1. Santa bear
          Santa bear 28 March 2013 11: 49 New
          +4
          in no case I do not want to protect the Americans or doubt the professionalism of the Luftwaffe aces .. but at the end of the war the Germans did not have enough opportunities to fight against flying fortresses. To shoot down such a shed bristled with machine guns - for this, in Korea, the MiG 15 was just perfect with 3 guns and a speed that allowed it to deliver lightning strikes on clumsy bombers. But collapsing Matrasia to China is now unprofitable, it’s the main market for their goods at the moment, and a huge part of China’s money is invested in US debt .. which means that in the wreck of the US economy, China will lose VERY VERY much money. so no one will go to extreme measures
          1. fduch
            fduch 28 March 2013 14: 07 New
            +2
            Gos. bonds this is a grab by the throat, it's like a red button, only in response the US will not be able to do anything (at least economic)
          2. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 15: 17 New
            +7
            Quote: Santa Bear
            in no case I do not want to protect the Americans or doubt the professionalism of the Luftwaffe aces .. but at the end of the war the Germans did not have enough opportunities to fight against flying fortresses. To shoot down such a shed bristled with machine guns - for this, in Korea, the MiG 15 was just perfect with 3 guns and a speed that allowed it to deliver lightning strikes on clumsy bombers. But collapsing Matrasia to China is now unprofitable, it’s the main market for their goods at the moment, and a huge part of China’s money is invested in US debt .. which means that in the wreck of the US economy, China will lose VERY VERY much money. so no one will go to extreme measures


            “What I’m talking about.” What China will harness for DPRK, most likely. And the P-Hindustan is unlikely to climb a war in the DPRK, because everything is intertwined, and neither of these is beneficial to the deterioration of the existing status quo.
            This is the first. The second - about flying sheds and MIG-15. If you think that it was much more comfortable for our pilots on the MiG-15 to carry B-29 flying sheds, and the poor Fritzs were completely incapable of this during the war, then you are deeply mistaken. If you think that the MiG-15 was perfectly armed with cannons, and had an advantage in speed, and the poor Fritz did not have such capabilities - then again you are deeply mistaken - and I have a good refutation about this: The Nazis during the war were very good at that time by airplanes, such as, for example, the FW-190, which, although it was a piston, but which had excellent cannon armament and even exceeded the MiG-15 in its firepower, the German had 4 guns. And the second volley of all weapons gave a more effect than the MiG-15. Further, at the end of the war, already in 1944, the Fritz began to receive weapons from jet aircraft, such as the Me-163 and Me-262. That is, the chances, as you see, to fight the Fortresses among the Nazis appeared more than excellent. We will not disassemble the Me-163, since it was more experimental than a combat project, but we will dwell on the Me-262 in more detail. Me-262, had more powerful weapons than the MiG-15. The second volley of the Me-262 was 13,2 kg of ammunition, and the second volley of the MiG-15 was 10,5 kg. And the fascizoids were opposed not by the B-29 “Super Fortress” like ours in Korea, but only by the B-17 “Flying Fortress”, which lost the B-29 in almost all flight parameters, including speed, practical ceiling, and weapons. Until March 1945, the Nazis put 832 Me-262 jets into the troops, which was enough to fight the B-17 hordes in the sky of the Reich. So as they say, not us, but on the contrary - the Fritz were in a more advantageous position. Nevertheless, the Fritsoid with all their “super-aces” and very good airplanes have never forced me to collapse or retreat the B-17s, which leveled the Vaterland with the ground, and my pilots, having there are much fewer planes, and in which, as I said earlier, the striking abilities were a bit more modest, they forced more than once the flying "super-sheds" to not just retreat, but in a panic to flee to their airfields, where they were massively copied, of course, according to technical reasons. " If they flew, of course, to their bases.
            So, as they say, - feel the difference. It's not about the planes, but about those who control them.
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 28 March 2013 16: 07 New
              +2
              Here are some of the vultures that started fun and ended badly:

              - BuNo 44-86370 - "MISS JACKIE THE REBEL" (Miss Jackie is a rebel). Shot down by Anatoly Karelin at night of June 10, 1952. The crew died.
              1. rodevaan
                rodevaan 28 March 2013 18: 18 New
                -1
                I apologize for the typo - the serial number of this machine is 44-61967
                1. rodevaan
                  rodevaan 29 March 2013 00: 53 New
                  +2
                  Here is another vulture:

                  - BuNo 44-61835 - "DRAGON LADY" (Lady Dragon). He fully justified his name, becoming a cemetery for all the crews that flew on it.

                  The first time an unlucky plane was badly damaged by Boris Obraztsov (according to other sources, it was damaged by Gregory Ges) on the famous "Black Thursday" on April 12, 1951. The MiG-15 frontal attack was more than successful - the pilot and navigator were killed, the controls and other parts of the aircraft were badly damaged. The wounded co-pilot barely managed to get the clumsy colossus out of that ill-fated battle and somehow got to the base. The fate of the remaining crew members is not reported (I wonder why?). After a long repair, it was possible to return the car to service.
                  However, this vulture did not escape from the unfortunate fate: on October 31, 1951 it was badly damaged again, and having lost the right wing, it crashed before it reached 40 miles to the base. Only two out of twelve survived from the crew. Who authentically destroyed this plane is unknown.

                  (Smiled - By the way, these warriors boldly painted as many 5 MiGs on their fuselage, although it is reliably known that not a single MiG-15 aircraft was shot down by B-29-x arrows).
            2. rodevaan
              rodevaan 28 March 2013 16: 08 New
              0
              One more:

              - BuNo 44-86370 - "MISS JACKIE THE REBEL" (Miss Jackie is a rebel). Shot down by Anatoly Karelin at night of June 10, 1952. The crew died.
          3. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 16: 06 New
            +2
            One more:

            - BuNo 44-86370 - "LUCKY DOG" (Happy Dog). Shot by A.M. Kochegarov on April 12, 1951. The crew died.
          4. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 16: 15 New
            +1
            One more:

            - BuNo 44-62183 "HOT TO GO" (In the meaning of - Hot travel to you!). The name played a cruel joke. Shot down by Anatoly Karelin on June 10, 1952, at night. The crew died.
            1. rodevaan
              rodevaan 28 March 2013 18: 33 New
              +2
              And here is another bandit:

              - BuNo 44-69802 "BAIT ME" (Lure Me!). Shot down by Yuri Dobrovichan on September 12, 1952. Of the twelve crew members, only one survived.
          5. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 16: 28 New
            +2
            And all this usually ended like this:

            - BuNo 44-61813 - "OVER EXPOSED" - The first destroyed B-29 in the sky of Korea by MiG-15 fighters.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 18 New
              +4
              There they cherish ...
          6. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 17: 58 New
            +4
            By the way, gentlemen, if anyone is interested in knowing a little bit of the truth, rather than the hype-boastful Westoid crap, I quote a link that describes in detail where and how each type of aircraft was shot down in the Korean War, as well as the fate of the crew:

            http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/korea/reports/air/korwald_afct.htm

            Data taken from CORWALD - a keyword for data on Amer’s losses in the air.

            I’ll share good advice: It’s better to look through and search for Amer’s losses, if you are interested, by the serial numbers of the aircraft (Example: BuNo 44-86370 - which means - the serial number is such and such). According to these data, you can track the data when the plane was shot down, by whom and the fate of the crew.
            Of course, as one would expect - almost everything has been attributed to "technical reasons", "wind", "frost", "bears", "anti-tank mice" and other Martian reasons.

            I want to say that our pilots uncovered the pin-dos sheds in the sky of Korea very high quality!
            Here is another link to the list of sheds by serial numbers. Take a look, gentlemen, at the number of those shot down and written off. Red numbers - this means the car was destroyed.

            http://home.comcast.net/~b29sinthekoreanwar/0-b29MasterList.htm

            Very interesting information!
        2. No_more
          No_more 28 March 2013 14: 45 New
          -1
          What was, of course, was - no doubt. But why should the Chinese destroy the global economy? Out of a sense of justice or something else? The USA needs China as much as the USA does. China is an obvious fact. It’s like saying that a baker will take and stop selling bread to his buyer so that they starve to death.
      9. anip
        anip 28 March 2013 13: 11 New
        +2
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North.

        And without the help of the United States, it would have ended earlier in disrepair for the South.
      10. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 28 March 2013 14: 01 New
        -1
        And without the help of the UN and American forces, it would have ended earlier. You hope to remember how the fighting unfolded.
        1. vitya29111973
          vitya29111973 29 March 2013 03: 00 New
          -1
          Remember perfectly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just before this, the USSR transferred several sets of planes and tanks with our crews, which were not in South Korea, to China, and China a small fraction of its population in the form of volunteers !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Without all this, Sen would still be partisan in the mountains of north-east Korea !!!!!!!!!! laughing
      11. Georgs
        Georgs 28 March 2013 14: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.

        But guys, it’s not a fact that “China will not directly harness for the DPRK.” Not at all a fact. Of course, the DPRK can make a fuss on the peninsula, especially if Kimu’s urine hits his brain (or what’s there?) And he explodes his vigorous bonbon. It will be bad for everyone, including China, but in any situation the North will not last long. And with the undoubted help of the United States, they will quickly be rolled out into a pancake. Moreover, their weapons are at the level of the 50s (at least it looks so offhand. However, I am not an expert and I may not know something) and the soldiers are hungry. What then? The conquered North and the strengthening of staffing positions on the Korean Peninsula. Does China need it? What about us?
        It seems to me that Kim strives to put all the locals and interested on the last line and on the ears and thereby bargain quantum codys satis for themselves. And then puff up to the next hunger crisis.
        Well, to anyone, in fact, it is not profitable to crush the DPRK tightly now, no matter who blies publicly.
      12. Nick
        Nick 28 March 2013 21: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North.

        Without the help of the United States and NATO, the war for the South would end far south of the 38 parallel.
      13. Nick
        Nick 28 March 2013 21: 04 New
        -1
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North.

        Without the help of the United States and NATO, the war for the South would end far south of the 38 parallel.
        1. Beck
          Beck 28 March 2013 21: 32 New
          0
          Quote: Nick
          Without the help of the United States and NATO, the war for the South would end far south of the 38 parallel.


          This is essential, but not the main thing in objectivism. Who do you think should be punished by the victim or aggressor ?. Who suddenly attacked in 1953? The North attacked. Why attacked? To expand the power of the Seine over the whole of Korea, driven by the ideology of the expanded influence of communism throughout the world, which pushed the USSR and China

          And now, who threatens with a nuclear club, if not the DPRK. What good would it be if two or three atomic explosions occur near the borders of Russia. Then rely only on the wind. In which direction he will carry the fallout. And there Iran will also connect with its club. And what good will Russia have two inadequate neighbors with the atom?
          1. DEfindER
            DEfindER 29 March 2013 11: 13 New
            +2
            Quote: Beck
            Who do you think should be punished by the victim or aggressor ?.

            And by what principle do you divide the victim and the aggressor, the real separation of the country occurred only after the war, and before that there was one state that was artificially divided after the Second World War. And a very interesting moment, think about the phrase - "In the south of the US peninsula, with the support of the United Nations, elections were held, replacing the left provisional government, convened in June 1945 after the war, by an anti-communist government led by Lee Seung Man."
            Those. The United States held elections in another country, it is not difficult to guess what result they will have .. And since the division of Korea was temporary, there should have been a union, but the southern puppets naturally abandoned this, which led to the war ..
            1. Beck
              Beck 29 March 2013 14: 36 New
              -1
              Quote: DEfindER
              And by what principle do you divide the victim and the aggressor, the real separation of the country occurred only after the war, and before that there was one state that was artificially divided after the Second World War. And a very interesting moment, think about the phrase - "In the south of the US peninsula, with the support of the United Nations, elections were held, replacing the left provisional government, convened in June 1945 after the war, by an anti-communist government led by Lee Seung Man."


              Korea as Germany was divided into zones of influence. The communist Kremlin did not go to the post-war free elections in its zone of influence in Germany. And under the threat of power, he put in power his protege, Ulbricht, and formed the GDR. Free elections were held in the American, French, and English zones, and the Germans themselves created the Federal Republic of Germany.

              There were two zones in Korea, Soviet and American. In the American zone, under the influence of Japanand in August 1945, the People’s Republic of Korea was formed. That is what the US occupation authorities did not recognize. And not under the auspices of the United States, but under the auspices of the UN in Korea, elections were organized, as a result of which Lee Son Man came to power.

              In North Korea, there were no elections at all. There was profanity by the type of communist elections, 99% for the captain of the Soviet Army Kim Il Sung.

              Let some governments form there and there. BUT WHO WAS FIRST IN 1953? North Korea attacked to expand communist influence. Germany and the USSR in 1945 also had different political systems, BUT WHO FIRST FIRST?

              From here it is determined who the aggressor is. And in your opinion it turns out that if the DPRK is not an aggressor, then Germany. Hitler can not be considered an aggressor.
      14. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 29 March 2013 19: 27 New
        -1
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North. And now, when there is no USSR and China will not directly harness for the DPRK, the outcome of such a war will be especially predictable. Korea alone and it will be clearly not communist. and a fat little baby will be shown in a cage in the main square of Seoul.

        Without US help, Korea would have long been communist.
        What has changed today? This is the presence of a nuclear bomb in the north, this is the sensitivity of South Korea to damage and of course the eeonomic situation in the world. But what if Iran and the DPRK agreed and simultaneously strike. DPRK for Kazakhstan and Japan, and Iran for Saydity and Qatar. Is the US strong enough to somehow influence the situation? And with the support of China?
      15. svp67
        svp67 30 March 2013 05: 56 New
        0
        Quote: Santa Bear
        Without the help of China and the USSR, the First Korean War would have ended very sadly for the North.



        Yes, in that war came "bash on bash." If the United States and the allies didn’t render assistance to the RK in time, it would not exist. And in the current situation, in any case, a lot of blood will be shed, it’s very much not just in “communication of the North with the South”. Ordinary people feel sorry ...
      16. Su24
        Su24 31 March 2013 14: 37 New
        -1
        Of course, the PRC will greatly assist the DPRK. China needs a “buffer” at its northeastern borders.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 08: 49 New
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Come on guys ahead and with the song.

      They were thrown out of Witnam, and if they stir up they are thrown out of Korea as well.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 28 March 2013 09: 00 New
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They were thrown out of Witnam, and if they stir up they are thrown out of Korea as well.

        What are we talking about. North Korean fanatics are not spoiled by the "benefits" of civilization, have not forgotten how to die for an idea, but whether the South Korean soldiers are ready for this is a big question. what Well, the mattress covers will be dumped as soon as the Kyrgyz Republic ends.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 09: 08 New
          +5
          Quote: Vladimirets
          but whether the South Korean soldiers are ready for this is a big question. Well, the mattress covers will be dumped as soon as the Kyrgyz Republic ends.

          Well, in South Korea, propaganda works well and they don’t want to live in the DPRK, therefore they will fight. As for amers, they’ll limit themselves to drones and missiles, they won’t die for Koreans.
        2. No_more
          No_more 28 March 2013 14: 49 New
          -1
          North Korea in the current realities cannot offer anything to the world, not to itself. All she does is political blackmail (possibly customized). If it were not for the threats and cries about Server Korea, they would not have recalled more often than Mongolia.
          And there is no need for any country to actually go to North Korea.
      2. Natalia
        Natalia 28 March 2013 10: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        They were thrown out of Witnam, and if they stir up they are thrown out of Korea as well.

        Mao said: "to exit you must first enter"
        Hello Sasha!)
        They (the USA) will not enter, they can bomb everything on a swim and approach, so to speak .... in modern conditions of the USA in the current economic situation they are unlikely to risk entering the territory of the DPRK, and why? OIL isn’t there what to catch then? ..... for Juche ideas to go away, just bomb everything at a distance.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 11: 54 New
          +5
          Quote: Natalia
          They (the USA) will not enter, they can bomb everything on the swim and the approach, so to speak .... in modern conditions

          In South Korea, many Americans live on a permanent basis. The landscape is complex, plus a reserve of almost 4 million, trample and high-precision missiles will not help. Seoul is just a stone's throw request
          Hi hi
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 28 March 2013 12: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            In South Korea, many Americans live on a permanent basis. The landscape is complex, plus a reserve of almost 4 million, trample and high-precision missiles will not help. Seoul is just a stone's throw

            If I were the US Secretary of Defense, I would order all the Americans who are in the Republic of Korea to jump in boats and strike at the nearest aircraft carrier.
            Landing in the DPRK is counter-productive, more efficiently destroying all the air forces, which the United States will not have any problems with, and working on the territory of the DPRK with UAVs and firing missile destroyers. Then the Navy can connect carrier-based aircraft, when it becomes clear that the air defense and MANPADS are destroyed a little more than you can send a couple of three Apaches ........
            ......... business then. There is no need to land for oil; it is not there. And with their capabilities, it’s a pure shooting gallery.
            And then heaped leg on foot on the table, and sitting in a chair in the UN Security Council, sipping martinis, saying that they supposedly destroyed the aggressors anyway, punished them harshly .... and there’s nothing to ruin and there’s nothing ..... .this is no longer for us.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 14: 07 New
              +6
              Quote: Natalia

              If I were the US Secretary of Defense, I would order all the Americans who are in the Republic of Korea to jump in boats and strike at the nearest aircraft carrier.

              And why aren't you the US Secretary of Defense laughing
              Quote: Natalia
              Landing in North Korea is counter-productive, more efficiently destroying all the air forces, which the United States will have no problems with, and working on the territory of the DPRK with UAVs and firing missile destroyers.

              No, you’ll still become US Secretary of Defense wassat
              Quote: Natalia
              business then

              You’ll start to cut the budget - call me, I’m in touch 24 hours a day wink
              1. Natalia
                Natalia 28 March 2013 14: 26 New
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, you’ll still become US Secretary of Defense

                ......................lol
                1. aksakal
                  aksakal 28 March 2013 15: 13 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Natalia
                  You’ll start to cut the budget - call me, I’m in touch 24 hours a day

                  - is there a modest place of the ensign-zavsklad of the entire Amer Army for a modest and honest Kazakhstani? Thank
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 15: 55 New
                    +3
                    Quote: aksakal
                    for a modest and honest Kazakhstani? Thank

                    Ay Aksakal, thanks in the morning, evening post wink
                  2. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 15: 56 New
                    0
                    Quote: aksakal
                    for a modest and honest Kazakhstani? Thank

                    Ay Aksakal, thanks in the morning, evening post wink
              2. Yarbay
                Yarbay 28 March 2013 15: 24 New
                +6
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You’ll start to cut the budget - call me, I’m in touch 24 hours a day

                Comrades, I will come in handy for you too)))
                Only to me, please, a large salary and that no responsibility))))
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 16: 23 New
                  +4
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Only to me, please, a large salary and that no responsibility))

                  There’s no liability whatsoever; Maning will answer for everything wink
                  Hi Alibek hi
                2. Arkan
                  Arkan 28 March 2013 19: 51 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  Comrades, I will come in handy for you too)))
                  Only to me, please, a large salary and that no responsibility))))

                  If you’re going for a good deed, take me too! I don’t need salaries - I’m an ideological fighter ... for banknotes. laughing
      3. NOBODY EXCEPT US
        NOBODY EXCEPT US 28 March 2013 11: 33 New
        +2
        You forgot with whose help they flooded them from there, it is hard to believe that there will now be volunteers, and there will be no amers there, Remember the storm in the desert for a month of bombing and all there is neither North Korea nor the Republic of Kazakhstan, and indeed all this bullshit will feed the Koreans and that's all. ... and Vova will send humanitarian aid. All the same, we have a common border with the DPRK ......
      4. vitya29111973
        vitya29111973 29 March 2013 03: 02 New
        -1
        shovels?
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 March 2013 09: 50 New
      +7
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Come on guys ahead and with the song. You would stir up the second Korean war, only to make it like the Vietnam War.


      In August 1953, the Korean-American Mutual Defense Treaty was signed between the United States and South Korea, and in November 1954, the Agreement on Military and Economic Assistance to South Korea. under this agreement, in the event of a conflict, her army comes under the command of the Americans. So if a mess begins, the amers will not be able to fit in there at most. And then China will probably not be left aside. Therefore, for the DPRK to conduct actions that could end in war is suicidal behavior. Eun will decide to go to war if he is finally driven into a corner, as long as there is the possibility of political maneuver beyond mutual threats, things will not go.



      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 12: 00 New
        +2
        Hello Stanislav! The second video, as I understand it, is Kitay, but not Korean.
    4. nakaz
      nakaz 28 March 2013 13: 40 New
      0
      Very positively written. I'm sitting, smiling.
    5. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 28 March 2013 14: 02 New
      0
      Yesterday there was news and there was another video posted and photo art. exercises.
    6. Gemar
      Gemar 29 March 2013 10: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Come on guys ahead and with the song. You would stir up the second Korean war, only to make it like the Vietnam War.

      As a resident of the Primorsky Territory, I really would not want the dosimeter to "go crazy" on the border of the Russian Federation with the DPRK. sad
      Your wishes are close and clear to me - weaken the United States, remind them that in the event of a collision with a less prepared enemy, the losses will be huge on all sides.
      BUT! I am afraid of your shortsightedness - the ecology of Primorye will suffer greatly, as a result of which the population of the border region will flood west. The program for the settlement of the Far East will be disrupted.
      Excuse me, but minus you! negative
  2. Nesvet Nezar
    Nesvet Nezar 28 March 2013 08: 34 New
    +6
    A very old North Korean submarine with a small nuclear charge of 5-6 ct lying at the bottom near Norfolk can significantly change the balance of power in the world. Sometimes it seems that North Korea is a sparrow holding a gun on a fly. And for some reason, I doubt that a well-fed China leaves a neighbor hungry who has options for influencing world politics .... Something like this.
    1. Windbreak
      Windbreak 28 March 2013 13: 13 New
      -2
      Fantasy less. A very old North Korean submarine needs to float up to recharge its batteries. And it won’t even sail to Norfolk because of the longer distance.
  3. Nayhas
    Nayhas 28 March 2013 08: 36 New
    11
    Excessive activity of Una is alarming. No one in the world can understand how far he will go and where the main reason for this is. The most interesting is how China reacts to this. Now China is in every possible way delaying the supply of food to the DPRK, moreover, what they had to put is idle at the border, because China since December 2012 puts all kinds of obstacles, tons of products rot on the border, and a new famine is brewing in the DPRK, food prices have jumped sharply. Why is China doing this? My purely opinion is that China currently has the main competitors in the South Caucasus and Japan, but they have a common enemy, the DPRK in power of which has not quite adequate rulers, a reckless youth and a bunch of seniors. Having pitted these countries, China will be able to bring down the economies of both the South Caucasus and Japan, from which it clearly benefits. Shipping will be reduced during the conflict and therefore China will need Russia. Even if they didn’t succeed, China does not risk anything, because is away from the conflict.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 28 March 2013 10: 11 New
      +8
      Quote: Nayhas
      Why is China doing this? My purely opinion is that China currently has the main competitors in the South Caucasus and Japan, but they have a common enemy, the DPRK in power of which has not quite adequate rulers, a reckless youth and a bunch of seniors. Having pitted these countries, China will be able to bring down the economies of both the South Caucasus and Japan, from which it clearly benefits.


      the Chinese leadership began to put pressure on the North Korean leadership in that it began to change its political course in about the direction in which China leads. And Pyongyang naturally began to resist. "But from a geopolitical point of view, China and the DPRK are allies. North Korea is interested in supporting China, of course. And China is interested in keeping the DPRK as its most important geopolitical bridgehead on the Korean Peninsula. This allows China to provide influence on South Korea, and, accordingly, on the USA, and on other countries of the region, including Japan.
      The war is disadvantageous for China since the Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation of 1961. it seems like it’s acting. And according to it, China is obliged to provide military assistance to the ally, even if the Chinese remain on the sidelines, the inevitable loss of their bridgehead and leverage on the states of the South Caucasus and Japan is much more painful than the advantages of the collapse of the economies of competitors. North Korea will be lost forever.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas 28 March 2013 11: 39 New
        +4
        On the one hand it is logical. But the DPRK will NEVER go to regime change, introduce private property, release peasants, transfer the economy to market rails, open borders ... I think the CPC is well aware that Deng Xiaoping is simply impossible in the DPRK. Sense then starve them? The DPRK in its current form is a dead end, no good for China, a regime change will automatically lead to the unification of Korea and the example of Germany will be repeated when the Federal Republic of Germany swallowed the GDR, but this is not necessary for the PRC, a united Korea will become a very strong competitor. Or do you think that there is an option when the DPRK remains an antagonist of the South Caucasus, a friend of the PRC and a prosperous state with a market economy?
  4. Denis
    Denis 28 March 2013 08: 41 New
    +4
    The missile units are ordered not to prepare for anything, but to strike at the continental United States, as well as the islands of Guam and Hawaii
    The thing is of course necessary, only will they have enough charges and delivery vehicles? This is not a rice bag.
    If Qatar, which equips jihadist fighters in Syria and on its border, is in the 2012th place in the ranking of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute for 12, and the United States is in 88th, then North Korea takes 152th out of 158. (Russia, by the way, stands at 153rd - so it is more dangerous than the DPRK).
    And these unconventional ones must be yanked, otherwise how without them
    1. SCS
      SCS 28 March 2013 09: 06 New
      +1
      Denis (7) Today, 08:41 a new 1
      The missile units are ordered not to prepare for anything, but to strike at the continental United States, as well as the islands of Guam and Hawaii
      The thing is of course necessary, only will they have enough charges and delivery vehicles? This is not a rice bag.
      -----------
      this is of course a question, but after such words, the United States drifts to meddle in the DPRK! it cannot be ruled out that at least something will reach their shores! although, most likely, there’s nothing to fly ....
      1. I think so
        I think so 29 March 2013 00: 51 New
        -1
        Oddly enough, but there is something to fly on. DPRK - launched the satellite. Three times detonated atomic charges. They have in service (!) Missiles with a range of 4-6 thousand km. I fully admit that US cities on the Pacific coast are available. Well, nothing about Tokyo or Okinawa. By the way, here is the interest of China. If the Japs fall into nuclear distribution again, they will no longer be able to speak against China and its claims to the islands. So North Korea is a force.
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak 29 March 2013 10: 40 New
          +1
          Quote: I think so
          They have in service (!) Missiles with a range of 4-6 thousand km. I fully admit that US cities on the Pacific coast are available
          Enough to get only Alaska
  5. fenix57
    fenix57 28 March 2013 09: 10 New
    +1
    Laughter is not enough, but the cry is too much. North Korea is waiting for proposals, but they are not coming. So the old people rage with a youngster.
  6. Rustiger
    Rustiger 28 March 2013 09: 12 New
    +4
    But Kimushka is right. They will kill the refined southerners, even if not in three days, then in a week for sure. But the peddlers of "democracy" will prevent reunification. . .
    It causes, at least respect, the position of the kim. With such hatred for everything "progressive" and imposed, the northern people simply trample the crowd.
    1. Black
      Black 28 March 2013 17: 34 New
      +4
      Quote: Rustiger
      It causes, at least respect, the position of the kim.

      But what about maximum enthusiasm and revolutionary ecstasy? Shlota and scum! For the sake of what ideas, for the sake of what future Kima spoil their own people! ??
    2. Black
      Black 28 March 2013 17: 35 New
      0
      Quote: Rustiger
      It causes, at least respect, the position of the kim.

      But what about maximum enthusiasm and revolutionary ecstasy? Shlota and scum! For the sake of what ideas, for the sake of what future Kima spoil their own people! ??
  7. 120352
    120352 28 March 2013 09: 20 New
    +5
    Of course, hunger is not an aunt, but rather an evil uncle. It is from hunger that every nonsense seems. And since hunger is a permanent state of all North Koreans, it seems to them all. In particular, it seems that they are a superpower, and there seems to be a potential that will allow them to wage war with the United States, and perhaps with the whole world at once "for the great Korean idea of ​​world domination."
    They should have dumped a couple of bags of rice from space.
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 28 March 2013 09: 40 New
      +4
      They should dump a couple bags of rice from space


      But this is a correct remark, since plutonium cannot be helped.
      Russia would not fit into a treaty openly against the Korean people, in order to cause mass unrest, calls for a change of course / power. And there already according to the worked out scenario. Peacekeepers --- NATO --- Amerov military base.
      It is beneficial for Russia not just to remain silent, but also to hint to Kim to ask for help through the Ministry of Emergencies and to caress this cub with humanitarian supplies.
      There will be no more devoted ally on the Far East than them, if something happens. . .
      1. kostyan77708
        kostyan77708 28 March 2013 10: 05 New
        +3
        Well, if that, so they (SK) have written off the debt and not small
        1. Rustiger
          Rustiger 28 March 2013 11: 04 New
          +2
          they (SK) the debt was written off and not small


          Well, where is it now? Well, no more than yesterday, the cunning rat Puten boasted that Russia wrote off 20 mulard. And to whom? Countries that are richer than Kim will be. And what do we have for it? And for the Ipponians, after the wave, how many humanitarian aid workers left off and the World Figure Skating Championships were held at their place, after their firms had already received money for advertising contracts. Few such examples? The Viet Cong were also decommissioned, along with the base at Kamrani.
          And who did not rejoice in a hungry Russia "help" amers stewed from strategic reserves from their bases, born 70
          So we can update the warehouses under this shop. Koreans will be happy to raise their "authority" even among the same Latinos and countries recently "democratized" by mattresses.
          Suppose that they never give, but perhaps a place for the base of the Navy will be provided with all the ensuing agreements.
          That howling to the entire earthly shard of the stratosphere will rise - this is of course yes, but how much you can bend. . .
      2. DEfindER
        DEfindER 28 March 2013 13: 55 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustiger
        Russia would not fit into a treaty openly directed against the Korean people,

        Frankly speaking, it disappointed that we supported the sanctions against the Koreans, something that reminds me of whether they were playing a game of giveaways with Libya .. now they see that they have no friends left, that’s why they’re getting wild ..
  8. bazilio
    bazilio 28 March 2013 09: 26 New
    0
    I hope that things will not come to war. Otherwise, it can swing not only on the Korean peninsula.
  9. Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 28 March 2013 09: 32 New
    -3
    Yes, it would be quicker to North Korea spread there the South Caucasus or the United States.
  10. piterkras
    piterkras 28 March 2013 09: 37 New
    +4
    Well done North Koreans. Repeat the actions of the inhabitants of the besieged Leningrad. North Korea economically and politically besieged the United States. And they, Koreans, already have no choice but to fight. For all will perish in this blockade. After the collapse of the DPRK, the South Koreans will chase the Lafa massively when their North Korean comrades will serve them for many years, as we have Tajiks with Uzbeks. It’s all the same to push the North in any case.
  11. DERWISH
    DERWISH 28 March 2013 09: 40 New
    +1
    laughing in vain! from this acne can turn out gangrene! sad
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 28 March 2013 09: 41 New
    +2
    We would like to start, we would start a long time ago, as if we did not want this. And everything by this time has already ended-WOULD. hi
  13. Hort
    Hort 28 March 2013 09: 52 New
    +2
    in fact, good is not enough. Especially if it comes to the use of nuclear weapons ...
    The Far East will also receive a dose of radiation in the form of precipitation
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 March 2013 01: 02 New
      +2
      It is good if only “precipitation”, or they can bomb, Medvedev then signed sanctions against them, fools, and now think they were offended or not?
  14. svp67
    svp67 28 March 2013 09: 52 New
    0
    But the soldiers have our AK74С ....
    1. Tan4ik
      Tan4ik 28 March 2013 10: 09 New
      0
      Where did you see the AKS? This is AK-74
      1. воронов
        воронов 28 March 2013 20: 37 New
        0
        And what is such an AK-74 assault rifle and where did you see it? laughing
  15. Khamsin
    Khamsin 28 March 2013 09: 55 New
    +1
    No matter how the West spread rot in North Korea, a crowd of hungry fanatics can make quite a stir!
  16. zennon
    zennon 28 March 2013 10: 26 New
    +6
    I’m just relaxing my soul looking at the DPRK announcers. Translation is not needed. laughing
  17. fenix57
    fenix57 28 March 2013 10: 29 New
    +6
    Quote: hort
    in fact, good is not enough. Especially if it comes to the use of nuclear weapons ...
    The Far East will also receive a dose of radiation in the form of precipitation

    This is sensible. Since I live in Southern Primorye, I really do not want this mess to start. And do not forget (this is for those who want to listen to reports on the hostilities on the Korean Peninsula) that Russia is a member of the UN Security Council, and therefore Russia (to put it mildly) is not pleased with the actions of the DPRK leadership. Minus one. gentlemen, minus. hi
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 28 March 2013 11: 42 New
      +2
      Do not be offended by them, it’s easy to wave a club and you live there +++++++
  18. 101
    101 28 March 2013 10: 34 New
    +3
    So it seems like in a submarine, next to the US fleet, the North Korean heroes set fire to the wick of a nuclear bomb singing patriotic marches
  19. Natalia
    Natalia 28 March 2013 10: 34 New
    +7
    With all my sympathy for North Korea, it’s clear that:
    - no North Korean missiles reach the US coast
    - DPRK army is not able to withstand modern opponents
    - only small clashes of the troops of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the DPRK are possible
    (because over the next 12 hours the DPRK's infrastructure will be irreparably damaged by the US Seventh Fleet with 50-60 warships, 350 aircraft, about 60 more sailors and marines, ready for action at any time.)
    - and the possible use by North Korea of ​​nuclear weapons against the Republic of Kazakhstan, could push the United States to similar measures. (and this is not to feed them bread)
    This is what is possible, and there can be no other (in case of war) .... and everyone knows this. But it would not be better.
    1. dany
      dany 28 March 2013 11: 39 New
      +1
      I agree that the beginning will be marked by the superiority of the United States and Kazakhstan on the sea and in the air, but as soon as the vaunted marines are in the territory of the DPRK, they will simply be demoralized, as North Korean fanatics, young and old, will fight for every clutch of land. The Americans have not yet fought against such an army; therefore, they will suffer enormous losses in manpower. I do not rule out the possibility that in the most critical hours, the DPRK may use nuclear weapons in its territory.
      Vietnam has not been mastered, and with the DPRK it will be even more difficult.
      There will be so many terrorist attacks in South Korea that Baghdad did not dream, Sev. Cove. special forces will try.
    2. tungus
      tungus 28 March 2013 11: 40 New
      11
      1. Nobody really knows anything about the DPRK missiles. The fact that they are, but the performance characteristics of these missiles is a mystery. Suppose these missiles are comparable to Soviet medium-range missiles of the 60x, although, taking into account cooperation between the DPRK and Iran, they can have higher characteristics. So, even if the DPRK missiles are comparable in their characteristics with, say, the P-14, then they will achieve the USA, and the amers will not be able to counter anything. Naturally, it will blow Korea back, but here options are possible.

      2. The DPRK army will defeat the southerners army at a time. No modern weapons and technology will help them. Because it’s not the weapon that wins, but the people. Liberal capitalism generally does not accept such concepts as courage, self-sacrifice, willingness to go to death for the sake of the motherland. Liberalism does not imply the concept of "homeland" at all. South Korea is a liberal country. Southerners will start to disperse after the first shelling of Seoul.
      Northerners, on the contrary, are united and ideologically motivated. They will fight with the enemy to the last.

      3. The DPRK infrastructure was created taking into account the inevitability of war. The whole of the DPRK is one continuous fortified area. The geography of the peninsula contributes to this. If the south is mostly on the plain, then the north is a mountainous area. And over the 60 years, these mountains have turned into a layered defense system, almost impossible to overcome.

      4. In the war of the north and south, it will be very difficult for the Americans to use nuclear weapons on the territory of the DPRK. Today is not 50 years. North Korea’s neighbors are two nuclear superpowers. And no one knows how Russia and China will respond to nuclear explosions at their borders. But they will answer for anyone. Therefore, all these flights are B-52-for Pontus.
      As for aircraft carriers and other things, then here the northerners have something to answer. Submarines are available, nuclear charges, too. A nuclear strike on the AUG, which is bombing your cities, is not a strike on the territory of the country. Most likely there will not be an adequate Amer’s answer, due to all the same China and Russia.

      So, taking into account all the above, I would not rule out the military invasion of the DPRK to the south. Without the use of nuclear weapons, of course. And in this possible war I would put on the northerners.
      1. Natalia
        Natalia 28 March 2013 12: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: tungus
        1. Nobody really knows anything about the DPRK missiles. The fact that they are, but the performance characteristics of these missiles is a mystery.

        1. Toksa short-range ballistic tactical missile (Toksa, KN-02 according to NATO code)
        2. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-5” (“Hwasong-5”, KN-03 according to the NATO code)
        3. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-6” (“Hwasong-6”, KN-04 according to the NATO code)
        4. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-1" ("No-dong-A" or "Rodong-1", KN-06 according to the NATO code) is short
        5. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-2" ("No-dong-B", KN-07 according to the NATO code) is short-lived
        6. Medium-range ballistic missile BM25 Musudan (Musudan, KN-09 according to NATO code)
        7. Intercontinental ballistic missile “Hwasong-13” (“Hwasong-13”, KN-08 according to the NATO code) ......... AHTUNG! may miss the territory of the Russian Federation, unless of course they let her fly.

        Quote: tungus
        2. The DPRK army will defeat the southerners army at a time. No modern weapons and technology will help them.

        It will not help that: the entire South Korean army is armed according to NATO standards with the direct support of the US Navy and Japan, with all strategic aviation (B-1, B-2, B-3) and the presence of modern UAVs ..... yes, probably not will help

        3. The DPRK infrastructure was created taking into account the inevitability of war. The whole of the DPRK is one continuous fortified area. The geography of the peninsula contributes to this. If the south is mostly on the plain, then the north is a mountainous area. And over the 60 years, these mountains have turned into a layered defense system, almost impossible to overcome.
        Well, I don’t think the US Seventh Fleet will run out of Tomogawk missiles and cluster bombs.

        Quote: tungus
        4. In the war of the north and south, it will be very difficult for the Americans to use nuclear weapons on the territory of the DPRK. Today is not the 50s. North Korea’s neighbors are two nuclear superpowers. And no one knows how Russia and China will respond to nuclear explosions at their borders. But they will answer for anyone.

        Well, if North Korea uses nuclear weapons, the United States will not ask anyone for permission.

        Quote: tungus
        As for aircraft carriers and other things, then here the northerners have something to answer. Submarines are available, nuclear charges, too.

        100 submarines (of which 22 are Project 633 diesel submarines) versus:
        Submarine type "Virginia"
        Ohio type submarine
        Submarine type "Los Angeles"
        And you can imagine at least approximately that there is an aircraft carrier group ..... you know there are such things as a destroyer with guided missile weapons such as "Arly Burke" they have only 62 of them, and you know why they do ..... drown underwater boats .... yes yes exactly.

        And from the foregoing, I see no reason why the DPRK will succeed in the war with the Republic of Kazakhstan.
        .....with respect hi
        1. Odysseus
          Odysseus 28 March 2013 13: 02 New
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          1. Toksa short-range ballistic tactical missile (Toksa, KN-02 according to NATO code)
          2. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-5” (“Hwasong-5”, KN-03 according to the NATO code)
          3. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-6” (“Hwasong-6”, KN-04 according to the NATO code)
          4. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-1" ("No-dong-A" or "Rodong-1", KN-06 according to the NATO code) is short
          5. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-2" ("No-dong-B", KN-07 according to the NATO code) is short-lived
          6. Medium-range ballistic missile BM25 Musudan (Musudan, KN-09 according to NATO code)
          7. Intercontinental ballistic missile “Hwasong-13” (“Hwasong-13”, KN-08 according to the NATO code) ......... AHTUNG! may miss the territory of the Russian Federation, unless of course they let her fly.

          The answer is incorrect. They will not shoot at American bases. They will shoot at Seoul. So there will be a complete "fly"
          1. Natalia
            Natalia 28 March 2013 14: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Odyssey
            The answer is incorrect. They will not shoot at American bases. They will shoot at Seoul. So there will be a complete "fly"

            In Seoul? full fly? ..... well then, you see, a contentious issue Pyongyang had time to use nuclear weapons.
            But for that, with 100% probability, the United States will shoot at Pyongyang
            With an Ohio-class submarine, one UGM-133A Trident-II D5 missile is enough to inflict irreparable damage on the Infra and the DPRK Economy.
            1. Odysseus
              Odysseus 28 March 2013 21: 15 New
              +2
              Quote: Natalia
              .. well then you will agree a controversial issue Pyongyang has time to use nuclear weapons.

              Alas, I do not agree. The question is undeniable. It will succeed. 40 km from the border to Seoul. All rocket carriers are in shelters. There are many carriers. The probability of Seoul being hit by nuclear and / or chemical weapons is close to 100%.
              Quote: Natalia
              But for that, with 100% probability, the United States will shoot at Pyongyang

              Will. But what does it matter? Turning Seoul into ruins from the point of view of South Korea makes senseless war, regardless of what will happen to Pyongyang later.
              1. BruderV
                BruderV 28 March 2013 23: 00 New
                +3
                Quote: Odyssey
                The question is undeniable. It’s successful. 40 km from the border to Seoul

                Of course, only dubiles are sitting in the South Caucasus, their air defense is worse than that of the bananoids in Africa, and they don’t shine the Old Testament North Korean rubbish at the start of their life. The dubiles, the henchmen of the states for several decades, have become world leaders in the economy, invest billions in the military-industrial complex, and so stupidly lose to the beggars from the north. Dream now. There, the launching rockets at such a depth of the front are not just what any air defense systems will bring down, but also ordinary fighters, yeah. The maximum that annoys the North is to sit out in its underground cities, and any exit outside is fraught with the fact that something big will fly. They have a million army only on paper, in fact, there will be mince after any clash.
                1. Odysseus
                  Odysseus 29 March 2013 11: 55 New
                  +1
                  Quote: BruderV
                  Of course, in the UK there are some dubiles

                  Judging by the language and content of the post, you are overwhelmed by emotions and complexes. In the military and politics, this is contraindicated.
                  I answer sequentially. There are no stupid people in the South Caucasus.
                  Quote: BruderV
                  Their air defense is worse than that of bananoids in Africa

                  Better. Although I cannot help but notice that calling other people "bananoidomy" is a typical sign of racism.
                  Quote: BruderV
                  knock down at the start of the Old Testament North Korean trash to them, well, your life never shines

                  You are not familiar with the topic. At the start, they cannot bring down anything, but in the best case, they will hit 70-75% of the missiles. The remaining number is enough to destroy Seoul.
                  If you want to study the mathematical part, read here- http://pentagonus.ru/publ/109-1-0-140
                  Quote: BruderV
                  The dubiles, the henchmen of the states for several decades, have broken out into world leaders in the economy, invest billions

                  Wrong logic. If a person or state is a boast, moreover, even a slave, this does not mean that in this state, speaking your language, there are only “dubiles.” A state can be rich, technologically developed, and nevertheless be “boast”. Moreover, many states are only due to the fact that they boast / slaves and achieve success.
                  Quote: BruderV
                  and so stupidly lose to the beggars from the north

                  They will not lose, formally they will win. North Korea will be destroyed, but the price of this victory is destroyed Seoul and destroyed SK .. What makes this victory meaningless.
                  Quote: BruderV
                  There, launching missiles at such a depth of the front is not just what any air defense systems will bring down, but also ordinary fighters,

                  You are so captivated with emotions that you are writing nonsense. Briefly, using F-15 / F-16 to intercept TR, OTP is impossible.
        2. Odysseus
          Odysseus 28 March 2013 13: 04 New
          +4
          Quote: Natalia
          And from the foregoing, I see no reason why the DPRK will succeed in the war with the Republic of Kazakhstan.

          In fact, in the event of war, both sides will lose.
        3. leon-iv
          leon-iv 28 March 2013 13: 19 New
          +5
          1. Toksa short-range ballistic tactical missile (Toksa, KN-02 according to NATO code)
          2. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-5” (“Hwasong-5”, KN-03 according to the NATO code)
          3. Short-range ballistic tactical missile “Hwasong-6” (“Hwasong-6”, KN-04 according to the NATO code)
          4. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-1" ("No-dong-A" or "Rodong-1", KN-06 according to the NATO code) is short
          5. The medium-range ballistic missile "No-Dong-2" ("No-dong-B", KN-07 according to the NATO code) is short-lived
          6. Medium-range ballistic missile BM25 Musudan (Musudan, KN-09 according to NATO code)
          7. Intercontinental ballistic missile “Hwasong-13” (“Hwasong-13”, KN-08 according to the NATO code) ......... AHTUNG! may miss the territory of the Russian Federation, unless of course they let her fly.

          but heroically covers most of the US bases in the region and the Allied Allies.
          the entire South Korean army is armed according to NATO standards with the direct support of the US Navy and Japan
          NATO standards are that such mantras are 100500 or strength.
          B-1, B-2, B-3
          B-3 is just brain masturbation so far. And the free-falling current Landsers are able to, and the Spirites are 16 pieces in words with the horse cost of the flight hour.

          Well, I don’t think the US Seventh Fleet will run out of Tomogawk missiles and cluster bombs.
          Lol, but this is quite real. Yes, and it shows your knowledge of fortification. To combat defensive structures, so-called penetrators are used. But for this you need to know WHERE and why. A glamorous satellite and UAV will not give you this information.
          submarines (of which 22 are Project 633 diesel submarines) versus:
          You greatly underestimate diesel submarines VERY. And I will explain why. You impose the tasks of ICAPL or drummers / ocean hunters on them. But for example, nothing is better for the hidden mining task. Yes, and in coastal waters is not even a weak weapon.
          1. Nayhas
            Nayhas 28 March 2013 13: 53 New
            0
            "And the freefalling current landsers know how" - you are mistaken, very mistaken ...
            1. leon-iv
              leon-iv 28 March 2013 14: 06 New
              +2
              when when problems AGM-158A JASSM solve and teach them how to fly in a complete set ER
              1. Nayhas
                Nayhas 28 March 2013 17: 08 New
                +1
                Nomenclature of guided ammunition bomber B-1B.
                24 × GBU-31 JDAM
                15 × GBU-38 JDAM
                48x GBU-38 JDAM
                48x GBU-54 JDAM
                12 × AGM-154 JSOW
                144 × GBU-39 SDB
                24 × AGM-158 JASSM
                1. leon-iv
                  leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 10 New
                  +1
                  ))) Thank you, I am in the know
                  Of all this, the 158th in the ER configuration is interesting, which is still a myth. More precisely the characteristics thereof.
                  1. Windbreak
                    Windbreak 28 March 2013 17: 17 New
                    0
                    and a simple JASSM with a range of 350 km is not enough?
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 23 New
                      +1
                      Is 350 km not enough?
                      For whom for the Russian Federation?
                      And for the DPRK and JDAM for the eyes and behind the ear. Toka again, everything rests on the Central Administration.
                      1. Windbreak
                        Windbreak 28 March 2013 17: 30 New
                        +1
                        And where does the Russian Federation? Clear business here speaks about DPRK
                      2. leon-iv
                        leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 39 New
                        +1
                        Clear business here speaks about DPRK
                        North Korea has enough simple bombs. Effectively use aviation they can question whether they can.
                2. Nayhas
                  Nayhas 29 March 2013 07: 38 New
                  +1
                  You just indicated that Lancer can only use free-falling bombs, but he has a wide range of guided munitions, with half of them specifically for destroying concrete shelters. The fact that the DPRK has well-developed shelters in the mountains is known to everyone, but any such shelter is vulnerable, it is enough to destroy the entrance to the shelter and let the crackers bite each other there in the cave.
        4. Natalia
          Natalia 28 March 2013 14: 11 New
          +1
          Quote: leon-iv
          Lol, but this is quite real. Yes, and it shows your knowledge of fortification. To combat defensive structures, so-called penetrators are used. But for this you need to know WHERE and why. A glamorous satellite and UAV will not give you this information.

          Gaddafi will not agree with you ...........
          Quote: leon-iv
          You greatly underestimate diesel submarines VERY. And I will explain why. You impose the tasks of ICAPL or drummers / ocean hunters on them. But for example, nothing is better for the hidden mining task. Yes, and in coastal waters is not even a weak weapon.

          And you overestimate the army of the time of the 70s 80s Sovkovsky type. What is your diesel submarine of the times of Leonid Brezhnev which is slow moving and rattles under water like a freight train on a piece of iron .... and you want to contrast this with modern submarines that work under water no more than a vacuum cleaner.
          Would you at least compare the submarines of Project 633 with the submarines of modern submarines of the US Navy .... didn’t look? So learn, you’re getting worse ..... but then he’ll lower him from heaven to earth.
          And there is such a funny system against your allegedly underwater hunters
          Aegis combat system -. It provides simultaneous tracking and destruction of targets on land, water, under water and in the air. She put on the destroyers. Think about it.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 March 2013 14: 19 New
            +4
            Gaddafi will not agree with you ...........
            Bugagagaga
            You smile me again. You all the same confuse. Gaddafi did not have an army they bought it right away. There, 1,5 brigades of Khamis fought there, and before support by the French and Nato, they drove musliks with pissed brooms. And now this 1,5 brigade drove mail a year. And it was only heaped up with crowds of Islamintern gathered around Magrib. And it is in the desert.
            Would you at least compare the submarines of Project 633 with the submarines of modern submarines of the US Navy .... didn’t look? So learn, you’re getting worse ..... but then he’ll lower him from heaven to earth.
            hand litso. You are familiar with the concept of hammering nails with a microscope. And once again, read my post about the task.
            Threat and never read TTX especially on Wikipedia. Not only are they incorrect, but you will not find the right data on the network. This is Selyava
            ZY Noise value of the submarine is one of the most secret parameters thereof. For example, right now Sosus is engaged))))
      2. tungus
        tungus 28 March 2013 13: 51 New
        +5
        1. On missiles.
        The Taphodon-1 BR (Great Campaign) is a three-stage variant of the Nodon-2 rocket and provides for the use of a solid propellant rocket engine as the third stage. This rocket, with a starting mass of 24 t (length about 30 m, maximum diameter 1,34 m), will be able to deliver a payload of 1000 kg and 500 kg at a distance of up to 3200 km and 5700 km, respectively.

        The Taphodon 2 missile is a long-range missile and is an upgraded version of the Taphodon 1 missile. Western experts believe that the first stage of the rocket is a solid fuel accelerator, created by Chinese technology.
        As a second stage, the Nodon liquid ballistic missile, already put into service in the DPRK, was used. The flight range of "Taphodon-2" is estimated at 6-8 thousand km.
        With such a range, the missile will reach Hawaii.

        In the spring of 2009, North Korea announced the successful launch of the Gwanmyungson-2 (Bright Star) artificial satellite using the Eunha-2 (Milky Way) rocket into orbit. The Eunha-Xnumx missile, with a payload of Xnumx kg, can have a range of Xnumx-Xnumx thousand km.

        2: The Americans in Vietnam were also armed according to NATO standards. As well as Australians, New Zealanders and others with them. What did not stop northern Vietnam from giving these guys.
        The coalition of Western troops in Afghanistan also has drones, modern weapons and other nanotechnologies. That's just the Taliban with Kalash and RPG-7 won the war in Afghanistan.
        And all because war is won not by technology but by people.

        3. The seventh fleet may run out of money.
        During the Libyan war, NATO ran out of precision weapons in the second week of the war. And there, after all, there was no resistance. In the case of the DPRK, the amers will end all the way up to aircraft carriers.

        4: If the DPRK delivers a nuclear strike on the AUG, which will bomb their cities, the likelihood that the US will respond adequately is extremely low. The factor of Russia and China is very large. Yes, and the northerners themselves in this case will strike at Hawaii, and at US bases from Japan to the Philippines.

        5. About the fleet. There has never been a case to see the superiority of destroyers over a mosquito fleet in coastal waters. The DPRK has a mosquito fleet and a bunch of mini submarines. Whether the cover of an aircraft carrier will cope with all this is a debatable question. We should not forget about the presence of RCC on the basis of Chinese developments among the northerners, for example, Silkorm, well, we must remember the great experience of the northerners in staging sea mines.
        So, I do not envy that “Arly Burke”.
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 28 March 2013 14: 46 New
          +1
          Listen, I’m saying that you are TUNGUS, that you are a man with a pirate avatar, I just DIKO understand your desire to stand up for the fraternal and selfless DPRK against the damned US people who triter the whole world, I don’t like them myself ... winked lol
          .... but damn, when you start in patriotic ecstasy, you will carry such a WRONG lol well, listen ..... well, North Korean TEPHADON missiles do not fly that 1 that 2 - well, not one flies, and if they were abnormal Successful launches are all on by. I said before and now I’ll say God forbid that they miss, God forbid .... it’s all somewhere in the Primorye region, then you will praise the North Korean army. As my dad says: "you do not know how to go to the toilet on hard do not torment the priest."
          And all these are your Afghanistan, RPGs, super Korean soldiers with their patriotism .... well, I won’t believe you dear You are my Russians that the DPRK army will be able to endure the blows of the US army, well I WILL NOT BELIEVE .... but what can I not Believe me, it's fairy tales gentlemen .... Well, funny.
          I understand you, yes ..... we do not like the United States, well .... let's take it more seriously lol Well, let's not be serious in the nursery ....
          1. tungus
            tungus 28 March 2013 15: 02 New
            +3
            That’s the point, it’s not the nursery. What kind of super duper punch are you talking about? When and where did the amers strike this blow?
            All the victories of the United States over the past three decades are based on one simple doctrine, the purchase of part of the country's elite, and the betrayal of this very elite of their state. So it was in Iraq, it was so in Yugoslavia, it was so in Libya, they are trying to do so in Syria.
            That's just a nuance. All of these countries had a capitalist system and the elites of these countries were initially corrupt due to the structure of the country.

            There is no capitalism in the DPRK. And there are no connections with the outside world. There is no American system of decomposition of peoples. And therefore, the mentality of the North Korean elite is very different from the regimes of banana republics you know. They will not make a deal with the United States. There will be no defector generals and ministers sold. And without internal betrayal, the amers cannot defeat anyone. And Vietnam and Afghanistan are proof of this.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 12 New
              0
              Quote: tungus
              There is no American system of decomposition of peoples. And therefore, the mentality of the North Korean elite is very different from the regimes of banana republics you know. They will not make a deal with the United States. There will be no defector generals and ministers sold. And without internal betrayal, the amers cannot defeat anyone. And Vietnam and Afghanistan are proof of this.

              Believe me, you should drink honey with your lips (or what’s better), if that were the only thing ..... I don’t mind the USA crashing in the DPRK, but it’s probably, I’d say it’s not possible . Because there is a reality, a harsh reality, with a displacement of trillions of tons .... but this reality (these realities) is controlled by people who are shod, dressed, well-fed and proud of their homeland
              .... on the contrary, half-dressed, hungry, with Brezhnev’s weapons, but for that there are a bit more than completely patriots, Koreans ...... North Koreans.
            2. fzr1000
              fzr1000 28 March 2013 17: 33 New
              +3
              I agreed with many things up to this point, but about the elite, I would not be so sure. In the DPRK already on the border with the PRC, you can buy a fashionable TV and DVD and DVD player. And Chinese mobile phones are there for those who have a lot of money. Where did the money come from? And, for example, here is where there are many abandoned mines that have not yet fully exhausted their resources. Their officials are leasing, some of the mined can even be smuggled to China. But officials also profit from this and they also need to spend money .... So the rudiments of "cooperatives" are already there. And then we'll take a look ....
            3. Valetain
              Valetain 28 March 2013 20: 30 New
              0
              I agree Americans are not warriors and they do not shine anything!
            4. Valetain
              Valetain 28 March 2013 20: 31 New
              0
              I agree Americans are not warriors and they do not shine anything!
            5. Valetain
              Valetain 28 March 2013 20: 32 New
              -1
              I agree Americans are not warriors and they do not shine anything!
              1. BruderV
                BruderV 28 March 2013 21: 07 New
                +3
                Quote: Valetain
                I agree Americans are not warriors and they do not shine anything!

                This is another review from a parallel universe in which the United States and Iraq and Yugoslavia and Afghanistan all prosrali?
              2. rodevaan
                rodevaan 28 March 2013 23: 06 New
                0
                Quote: Valetain
                I agree Americans are not warriors and they do not shine anything!


                - And why did Heinkel insert HE-100?
          2. rodevaan
            rodevaan 28 March 2013 23: 04 New
            0
            Quote: Natalia
            http://www.dtic.mil/dpmo/korea/reports/air/korwald_afct.htm


            - Wow! There are even girls here! ??
        2. Windbreak
          Windbreak 28 March 2013 16: 55 New
          0
          Quote: tungus
          During the Libyan war, NATO ran out of precision weapons in the second week of the war
          There was only a shortage of laser-guided aerial bombs in England and Britain.
          Quote: tungus
          Do not forget about the presence of RCC northerners on the basis of Chinese developments, for example, Silkworm
          Well, of course, Chinese copies of ancient Termite are formidable. And for some reason you forget about the serious fleet of South Koreans
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 March 2013 16: 59 New
            +1
            There was only a shortage of laser-guided aerial bombs in England and Britain.
            Chit they fought by the rules?
            Well, of course, Chinese copies of ancient Termite are formidable. And for some reason you forget about the serious fleet of South Koreans
            It depends on what tasks to set for him. It is one thing to send destroy an aircraft carrier, another thing is to attack a frigate.
            1. Windbreak
              Windbreak 28 March 2013 17: 10 New
              +2
              Quote: leon-iv
              It depends on what tasks to set for him. It is one thing to send destroy an aircraft carrier, another thing is to attack a frigate.
              If the frigate will sail in a large ship group, I do not think that it is easy to sink it
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 12 New
                +2
                Undoubtedly, here is a nuance. The foundation of the Eye AUG is Hokai. For example, it is necessary to fulfill a number of conditions.
                1 Non-flying weather preferably with a thunderstorm
                2 Distraction
                3 mass launch
                It all depends on coherence and the desire to go to the end.
        3. Windbreak
          Windbreak 28 March 2013 16: 56 New
          0
          Quote: tungus
          During the Libyan war, NATO ran out of precision weapons in the second week of the war
          There was only a shortage of laser-guided aerial bombs in England and Britain.
          Quote: tungus
          Do not forget about the presence of RCC northerners on the basis of Chinese developments, for example, Silkworm
          Well, of course, Chinese copies of ancient Termite are formidable. And for some reason you forget about the serious fleet of South Koreans
        4. Windbreak
          Windbreak 28 March 2013 16: 56 New
          +2
          Quote: tungus
          During the Libyan war, NATO ran out of precision weapons in the second week of the war
          There was only a shortage of laser-guided aerial bombs in England and Britain.
          Quote: tungus
          Do not forget about the presence of RCC northerners on the basis of Chinese developments, for example, Silkworm
          Well, of course, Chinese copies of ancient Termite are formidable. And for some reason you forget about the serious fleet of South Koreans
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay 28 March 2013 15: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: tungus
      So, taking into account all the above, I would not rule out the military invasion of the DPRK to the south. Without the use of nuclear weapons, of course. And in this possible war I would put on the northerners.

      This is not serious!!!
  20. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 12: 01 New
    +5
    Quote: Natalia
    and the possible use of nuclear weapons by North Korea against the Republic of Kazakhstan

    If nuclear weapons are used, then Russia will not be on the side of the DPRK.
  21. leon-iv
    leon-iv 28 March 2013 13: 05 New
    +6
    - no North Korean missiles reach the US coast
    Do they need it?
    - DPRK army is not able to withstand modern opponents
    Afghans disagree with you
    over the next 12 hours, the Seventh Fleet will suffer irreparable damage to the DPRK infrastructure
    Oh, this is the generation of discovery. The entire key infrastructure of the DPRK has long been underground.
    50-60 warships, 350 aircraft, about 60 more sailors and marines, ready for action at any time
    And then what to fight with 60 thousand? Yes, of course you can remember Serbia, but even there the NATO Air Force salted tuna without damaging the FRY
    and North Korea’s possible use of nuclear weapons against the Republic of Kazakhstan could push the United States to similar measures. (and this is not to feed them bread)
    barked and then the bullets will be Tomahawks with SBCH then entered))) Ali minutemans? But they have it all according to START-3 and sadness is sad with carriers.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 14: 21 New
      0
      Quote: leon-iv
      Oh, this is the generation of discovery. The entire key infrastructure of the DPRK has long been underground.

      I am unfamiliar with Discovery, a young man (or not young) but I know what is called first-hand about the capabilities of the US Seventh Fleet.
      I understand that you took me for a girl obsessed with Hollywood films, I want to disappoint you ... I know many things, and most of this I do not know from the Internet and TV.
      So finish this useless discussion.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 28 March 2013 14: 25 New
        +2
        Quote: Natalia
        ... I know many things, and most of this I do not know from the Internet and TV.

        Leon, draw your conclusions wink
      2. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 March 2013 14: 42 New
        +1
        well, let's educate me how the Goals are selected in the SAC of Mk48 and how it is induced in the remote control mode from the carrier.
        So finish this useless discussion.
        Well so fast?
        By the way, how do you like Coxane?
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 02 New
          +2
          Quote: leon-iv
          well, let's educate me how the Goals are selected in the SAC of Mk48 and how it is induced in the remote control mode from the carrier.

          I don’t know how targets are selected in telecontrol mode for this American torpedo and I don’t care.


          Quote: leon-iv
          How do you like Coxane?

          I like 2C7 more, had the honor to be present at demonstration shootings and even drove a little.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 March 2013 15: 08 New
            +1
            I don’t know how targets are selected in telecontrol mode for this American torpedo and I don’t care.
            Well then, what is the point with you about the destruction of the DPL?
            I like 2C7 more
            Me too, but on the other hand, the coxan of NBC easily extends to Seoul.
            1. Natalia
              Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: leon-iv
              Well then, what is the point with you about the destruction of the DPL?

              I didn’t pull you by the tongue (by the keyboard) .... you yourself were tearing at me with your unhealthy criticism ...... does it make sense? no longer holding up.


              Quote: leon-iv
              I like 2C7 more
              Me too

              do you like it too and what else do you like from the "flower series"?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 15: 27 New
                -1
                .You yourself before me molested with their not healthy criticism
                To which you did not answer me clearly. Only again, myths. And I asked you specific questions.
                and what else do you like from the "flower series"?
                Knapweed.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 33 New
                  +1
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  you didn’t answer me clearly. Only again, myths. And I asked you specific questions.

                  The myth is that the DPRK will defeat the US Army.

                  Quote: leon-iv
                  Knapweed.

                  small .......
                  ... then Tulip

                  ............. stop, and the couple of all avatars were gone.
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 28 March 2013 15: 47 New
                    0
                    The myth is that the DPRK will defeat the US Army.
                    exactly the same as the US defeating the DPRK.
                    For the past 15 years, Uncle Sam is no longer Cake.
                    small .......
                    ... then Tulip

                    Where is the size?
                    1. Natalia
                      Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 56 New
                      +2
                      Quote: leon-iv
                      exactly the same as the US defeating the DPRK.

                      lol .....Oh well

                      Quote: leon-iv
                      Where is the size?

                      Size, always the size. winked
                      But even this is not the main thing ... you don’t need to carry a tulip, it rolls itself.
              2. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 15: 27 New
                0
                .You yourself before me molested with their not healthy criticism
                To which you did not answer me clearly. Only again, myths. And I asked you specific questions.
                and what else do you like from the "flower series"?
                Knapweed.
              3. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 15: 28 New
                0
                .You yourself before me molested with their not healthy criticism
                To which you did not answer me clearly. Only again, myths. And I asked you specific questions.
                and what else do you like from the "flower series"?
                Knapweed.
      3. rodevaan
        rodevaan 28 March 2013 23: 08 New
        +1
        Quote: Natalia
        Quote: leon-iv
        Oh, this is the generation of discovery. The entire key infrastructure of the DPRK has long been underground.

        I am unfamiliar with Discovery, a young man (or not young) but I know what is called first-hand about the capabilities of the US Seventh Fleet.
        I understand that you took me for a girl obsessed with Hollywood films, I want to disappoint you ... I know many things, and most of this I do not know from the Internet and TV.
        So finish this useless discussion.


        - In! Learn peasants - girls will already wrap us up in military topics :))
        Hmmm ... at such a pace, soon the beautiful half will guard the border with clubs, and the “strong” half of the pancakes will be baked with a rag of stasikas from the corners :)
  22. Yarbay
    Yarbay 28 March 2013 15: 33 New
    +2
    Quote: Natalia
    DPRK army is not able to withstand modern adversary

    Done right!
    Plus, recent wars have shown that the United States is very carefully preparing for hostilities and will simply sweep away everything from the air !!
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 15: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: Yarbay
      Done right!

      Ehhhh Alibek ..... You are GIPPERpatriotam here tell the Entim.
      They believe that the DPRK is almost a superpower. In short, they are almost Koreans, I understand.
      Greetings Alibek!) hi
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 28 March 2013 16: 33 New
        +4
        Quote: Natalia
        Ehhhh Alibek ..... You are GIPPERpatriotam here tell the Entim.
        They believe that the DPRK is almost a superpower. In short, they are almost Koreans, I understand.
        Greetings Alibek!)

        Hi Natalia!
        it’s just that before every possible conflict with the USA there appear comments full of euphoria!
        But if you look soberly mainly at the USA’s losses from partisan sorties, they have already rolled up their hostilities and, using incomparable technological superiority, they are very competent at fighting !!
        There are two three countries that can really put the United States in a puddle and then if they seriously prepare !!
        1. Natalia
          Natalia 28 March 2013 16: 50 New
          +2
          Quote: Yarbay
          But if you look soberly mainly at the USA’s losses from partisan sorties, they have already rolled up their hostilities and, using incomparable technological superiority, they are very competent at fighting !!
          There are two three countries that can really put the United States in a puddle and then if they seriously prepare !!

          Well, what can I say .... You just look at what they write: "diesel submarines are hunters," I can’t laugh under the table .... lol
          These are the statements made by people who have little idea of ​​what a destroyer equipped with the Aegis Combat System is.
          It’s not even interesting with them, they stupidly came to shout Hurray !!! and stupidly stupidly argue argue argue.
          1. leon-iv
            leon-iv 28 March 2013 16: 57 New
            +1
            Aegis Combat System.
            And how is it with interception of supersonic anti-ship missiles in the amount of at least 3-4 pieces? And another test. Last time the professor remembered nothing in the coyote thread. And further I would like to hear how successfully SM-3 intercept mass launches.
            And so when you give answers to
            - lower limit / detection range
            - system response time from standby
            - time to develop a shooting solution
            - time to launch the first rocket
            - interval between starts
            - system performance
            - statistical probability of hitting
            these questions then we will talk about the prodigy of Aegis.
            1. Windbreak
              Windbreak 28 March 2013 17: 02 New
              0
              Does North Korea have supersonic anti-ship missiles?
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 08 New
                +1
                As an option, the P-15M Chinese version with a booster. But with a probability of 99 there is a good old termite. But Aegis and his spoiled in the 91st year.
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 28 March 2013 17: 30 New
                  +2
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  But with a probability of 99 there is a good old termite. But Aegis and his spoiled in the 91st year.

                  In the 91st))))))) but not in the 81st ..
                  Now think how many missiles the North Korean Brezhnev army will spit .....
                  I look at you with such emotion, gentleman:
                  On the one hand, I like you as a patriot
                  On the other hand, complete utopia and continuous mythology disappoints me from you
                  1. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 37 New
                    +1
                    In the 91st))))))
                    Ohh yes and rcp after that changed
                    You remind about clubs?
                    On the other hand, complete utopia and continuous mythology disappoints me from you
                    So there with Aegis the best possible way around.
            2. Natalia
              Natalia 28 March 2013 17: 17 New
              +1
              Quote: leon-iv
              And how is it with interception of supersonic anti-ship missiles in the amount of at least 3-4 pieces? And another test. Last time the professor remembered nothing in the coyote thread. And further I would like to hear how successfully SM-3 intercept mass launches.

              Yes, calm down you, no one will believe that the Brezhnev army will endure the United States, especially since you haven’t presented a single convincing argument, but you won’t present it .... because you don’t have them.
              blah blah blah ..... PATRIOTS Hooray! that’s all your arguments .....
              Chapaivets you are ours, smart girl here, these patriots are needed by the Russian Army .... but you can’t prove that the DPRK is stronger than the USA.
              1. leon-iv
                leon-iv 28 March 2013 17: 27 New
                0
                . but you can’t prove that the DPRK is stronger than the USA
                lol where did I prove it?
                Once again, the Dougt Doctrine will do nothing with the DPRK. Well, they bomb part of the infrastructure and then what? To get into a war compared to which Afghanistan and Iraq taken together seem like paradise? Pressing the legs there will need to fight.
                I repeat again what is there with Aegis then?
                1. Natalia
                  Natalia 28 March 2013 17: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: leon-iv
                  I repeat again what is there with Aegis then?

                  What do not you understand? The DPRK’s karanchun will happen if anything ..... the most is not to eat karanchun, and no Chinese-style supersonic missiles will help, Aegis will find them and digest them with SM-2 and SM-3 missiles.
                  The US Navy ships occupy positions 12-30 miles off the coast of the DPRK and, with the help of the powerful SPY-1 radar, detect all missile launches of Brezhnev-era missiles, as well as easily and unconsciously detect aerial objects with a small cross section of the hull (equivalent to the cross section of a sea gull ), for example, high-speed air launch missile launchers, anti-ship missiles and airplanes developed using stealth technology ..... although what am I talking about because they only have Brezhnev-era airplanes ..... well, a couple of MiG-29s are all the ceiling . The SM-2 interceptor missile is equipped with a fragmented warhead, explodes near the target and destroys it with the powerful energy of the fragments. Thus, one interceptor missile is capable of destroying rockets with a probability of 70%, and two missiles launched simultaneously, with a probability of 85%. " Now count how many total frigates and destroyers equipped with Aegis are in service with the United States.? Don’t bother, I’ll give some data ..... so at the end of 2011 the US Navy had a total of 24 ships equipped with Aegis MBIUS, including five Ticonderoga class cruisers and 19 Arleigh Burke class destroyers. In the coming years, the Agency for Missile Defense and the US Navy plan to equip the system with Aegis 22 cruisers and almost all destroyers - 62 units. The Navy's long-term shipbuilding program, which will be implemented in the next 30 years (2011–2041 financial years), provides for the modernization of up to 84 such ships under this system. Such a number of "anti-missile" ships will be approximately 27% of the total naval composition of the US Navy, planned by 2041.
                  ...... did you say something about diesel submarines of the Brezhnev era in North Korea?
                  1. Natalia
                    Natalia 28 March 2013 18: 12 New
                    +1
                    So there is no need to tell tales here about the vaunted rusty North Korean diesels, they will be confronted by no less than a lot of destroyers "Arly Burke" whose combat missions include:
                    1. Protection of their own carrier and ship attack groups from massive missile attacks by an adversary who uses anti-ship missiles launched both from surface ships and from nuclear submarines with missile systems.
                    2. Air defense of its own forces (naval formations, convoys or individual ships) from enemy aircraft.
                    3. Fighting enemy submarines and surface ships
                    4. Ensuring sea blockade of certain areas
                    5. Artillery support for landing operations
                    6. Tracking enemy ships
                    7. Participation in search and rescue operations

                    And all these skills and techniques of the US Navy have been honed to the level of excellence over the past 20 years.
                    1. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 28 March 2013 18: 17 New
                      +2
                      they will be opposed by no less than the destroyers "Arly Burke" to the number of combat missions which include:
                      Funny burn.
                      The main danger for the submarine is patrol aviation, but not the HOOK EM.
                      So burn on. The question is what methods can be used to find submarines in the thermocline of the coastal shelf against the background of the soil
                    2. leon-iv
                      leon-iv 28 March 2013 18: 23 New
                      0
                      Yes, I forgot to add SPY-1, according to many, not the best radar. And the reason is commonplace is the desire to combine firing and surveillance radar in one bottle.
                  2. leon-iv
                    leon-iv 28 March 2013 18: 14 New
                    +2
                    Your ignorance touches me
                    SM-3. It can only work on ballistics.
                    12 miles
                    this is the range sorry moa cannon
                    SPY-1 detect all launches of ballistic Brezhnev-era missiles
                    Of course spotted at what range?
                    cross section of a sea gull
                    I ask again with what range
                    The SM-2 interceptor missile is equipped with a fragmented warhead, explodes near the target and destroys it with powerful fragment energy
                    what are you saying
                    so for reference there and can be set
                    Thus, one interceptor missile is capable of destroying ballistic missiles with a probability of 70%, and two missiles launched simultaneously, with a probability of 85%. ”
                    Well, persuaded for the value is extremely shitty see Similar to the old 300ki in variation P

                    ...... did you say something about diesel submarines of the Brezhnev era in North Korea?
                    Lal once again Aegis this is a BIUS air defense
                    for reference, the American PLO is engaged in AN / SQQ-89
                    the author write ischo klensi smokes on the sidelines
                    And boats, when used correctly, can well please AUG with mines.
                    PS For reference, more problems will be delivered to the attacking group not by SM but by interference.
    2. Beck
      Beck 28 March 2013 18: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: Yarbay
      Plus, recent wars have shown that the United States is very carefully preparing for hostilities and will simply sweep away everything from the air !!


      The concept of an air-ground attack in the US Army was developed from the beginning of the 70s. This is when ground forces are activated only when the air force intensively processes the entire frontal depth of the enemy for a long time.

      We saw the results of this concept in two Iraqi wars.
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 March 2013 18: 19 New
        +1
        We saw the results of this concept in two Iraqi wars.
        You are wrong there we see
        1 Sanctioning
        2 collection of codes
        3 bombing
        4 Enter CB

        With the Iraqis, everything rolled with the Serbs no.
        1. Beck
          Beck 28 March 2013 18: 33 New
          +4
          Quote: leon-iv
          You are wrong there we see1 Pressing by sanctions 2 collecting kodli3 bombing4 Entering the SAF by Iraqis swept everything with the Serbs no.


          So US troops did not fight directly in Serbia. And NATO, too, took on aviation to a greater extent.

          And in the Iraqi wars so revealing. A month of continuous day and night raids. All infrastructure, reserves, rear in ruins. The decline of the moral qualities of Iraqi soldiers. And only after that, the ground forces for the next week got the rest.
      2. Selevc
        Selevc 28 March 2013 20: 58 New
        0
        And my grandfather told me that they also fought with Hitler absolutely :))))))))))
  • akromaserp
    akromaserp 28 March 2013 10: 35 New
    -1
    Juche ideas are imperishable!
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 11: 30 New
      0
      Quote: akromaserp

      Juche ideas are imperishable!

      ...... yes yes, just like Marx and Engels .....
      1. воронов
        воронов 28 March 2013 20: 45 New
        0
        Add V.I. Lenin, I.V. Stalin and Maotszedun !!!
    2. Rustiger
      Rustiger 28 March 2013 14: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: akromaserp
      akromaserp
      Juche ideas are imperishable!


      That's for sure! A country the size of not the largest Russian region, with a minimum of resources, based on “juche-ha ideas,” can survive in this far-from-good world and even threaten some especially guilty damned bourgeois.
      And Russia, like a huge cash cow, on the "ideas" of two half-shaves (bald and bearded-shaggy), has been feeding the same overgrown democrats for almost a century.
      That's who should be a role model, not a "strong economy." . .
  • demon ada
    demon ada 28 March 2013 10: 59 New
    -6
    gather a couple of divisions in the DPRK
    and send to help Syria
    even infantry though tank.
    and put on the border with Israel or Turkey.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 12: 49 New
      +2
      Quote: demon ada
      and put on the border with Israel or Turkey.

      what an epoch-making delirious thought ........
      .............what for???
      Even Russia does not place its soldiers in Syria on the border with Israel and Turkey, but you want to connect the unfortunate and hungry DPRK soldiers, or do you think they have few problems .....
    2. Georgs
      Georgs 28 March 2013 14: 47 New
      -1
      Gee-s! For such a force, even an rally can come up with an iron motivation in case of an offensive: "Guys, there is an insidious bourgeois enemy and a scum ahead! All that you can reach is yours! Go ahead, under the radiance of the great ideas of Great Comrade Kim!" And krants to the bourgeois adversary. They will bite.
  • Cherkas
    Cherkas 28 March 2013 11: 01 New
    +2
    Kill, but I don’t understand how can you think that North Korea is capable of something? All this tension stems from the interests of China and the leader of North Korea, which distracts people from hunger by an external enemy. The infrastructure of North Korea has been studied to the smallest detail and for some time nothing will remain of it.
    1. Tuzik
      Tuzik 28 March 2013 15: 35 New
      +2
      I think the destruction of the infrastructure of the North Koreans is not too sober, there 70% of the country lives without it since the 50s)

      I also think that for China it is not permissible to use yao at its borders,
    2. Tuzik
      Tuzik 28 March 2013 15: 36 New
      0
      I think the destruction of the infrastructure of the North Koreans is not too sober, there 70% of the country lives without it since the 50s)

      I also think that for China it is not permissible to use yao at its borders,
  • viruskvartirus
    viruskvartirus 28 March 2013 11: 03 New
    +7
    What nonsense, people are starving in the country, and the leader of America is threatening a nuclear war. The united people are divided for half a century and it is not clear when this will end.
    1. Georgs
      Georgs 28 March 2013 14: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: viruskvartirus
      What nonsense, people are starving in the country, and the leader of America is threatening a nuclear war. The united people are divided for half a century and it is not clear when this will end.

      Oh, no one knows the future, but the prophets are one! There, no one knew when the USSR would collapse and end. And they could not guess. And collapsed overnight. That’s how the Lord will especially get tired of someone at last, well, he’ll get sick, he’ll get sick with a dusty roar. Therefore, no one is advised to bend the stick. Especially nuclear.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 11: 21 New
    -1
    am The DPRK army can invade South Korea either by blowing up a pair of vigorous bombs on 38 parallels or through secret tunnels dug under 38 parallels about 5 years ago they wrote that the southerners found a couple of these and how many did not find. Kim made clear his plans for the invasion of southerners, hostage-taking, complete chaos. Amer has nothing to oppose this. Then in Kndr good civil defense and many bomb shelters. They have nothing to worry about their infrastructure, after the conflict we, China and the amers will restore everything, see the precedent with Chechnya. China’s position is also understandable, to allow the conflict to grow and at the crucial moment to introduce its peacekeepers and create bases, like those of Amers.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 11: 44 New
      +3
      Quote: Rolm
      hostage-taking, complete chaos. Amer has nothing to oppose this.

      I apologize, just interesting, interesting by the fact that this is incredible:
      - how old are you
      - where such information comes from
      - why do you think so
      - what kind of kindergarten babble from the category (we will shoot them with a laser)

      Of course, I wildly apologize, I did not want to offend you, but I did not see such fiction even in the highest budget Hollywood films.
  • Day 11
    Day 11 28 March 2013 11: 23 New
    +2
    in the first photo of the dude on the left Colt 1911?
    1. Santa bear
      Santa bear 28 March 2013 11: 58 New
      +1
      in my inexperienced opinion most of all resembles the 9mm Browning HP, until recently, such pistols were in service with officers of the same UK.
    2. Nayhas
      Nayhas 28 March 2013 13: 59 New
      +2
      Left Browning HP tuned, right ChZ-75.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 11: 26 New
    +3
    bully The question is whether the DPRK can strike a vigorous strike on the territory of America, controversial, on Tokyo can, but on America I think a purely symbolic, even a vigorous strike on the coast that will not cause harm to the Amer will have outstanding image consequences.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 11: 49 New
      +1
      Quote: Rolm
      The question is whether Kndr can deliver a vigorous strike

      on the territory of which countries:
      in the USA - definitely not
      in Japan - a moot point because:
      and. if you don’t miss
      b. if a rocket takes off
      at. if they let this rocket fly up.
  • Yankuz
    Yankuz 28 March 2013 11: 52 New
    +6
    Is it all ofigeli? Want to test nuclear weapons in action? Hands itch in some, but in the ass of others! Funny people! It doesn’t work out like “My hut from the edge” - here everyone will get the most “I don’t want to”. On this peninsula no one will survive at all, the Japanese will suffer specifically, the Chinese will suffer specifically, the Russian Primorye will suffer specifically! Sea-okiyan - forget about seafood forever and ever - the infection will spread throughout the northern hemisphere of the Pacific Ocean! And the amers will also get it - but rather indirectly. As always, they manage to get out of the water dry. Therefore, they stir up the whole world, because they are dependent on the whole world, they are separated by the oceans, if they do not stir up, everyone will forget about them because nobody will need them.
    1. Vanya Ivanov
      Vanya Ivanov 28 March 2013 12: 04 New
      +3
      Yankyz, reading about how easy it is sometimes, there is talk of nuclear strikes, some matches need to be taken away, by golly.
      1. laurbalaur
        laurbalaur 28 March 2013 12: 23 New
        +4
        Yankuz, Vanya Ivanov I join your opinion guys!
        1. I think so
          I think so 29 March 2013 01: 32 New
          +2
          Dear Yankus. The question is, do you eat seafood after Fukushima? If you use them NOW, then even after hundreds of nuclear explosions on the Korean peninsula, nothing will change significantly. Don’t worry, TAM seafood has NOT been eaten for a long time.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 12: 11 New
    +1
    hi Hi Natalya, life experience is great, about science fiction, you probably haven’t watched James Bond movies, it’s really cool there, 38 parallels are cleared with a laser beam, and you think it’s fantastic, you don’t believe that you can’t immediately mine 3-4 with a vigorous explosion km of minefields? The fact that through the epicenter of a vigorous explosion, after half an hour you can drive out the division, we convincingly proved in 60 years at the Totsky training ground. Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor also seemed fantastic. Understand Kim has no chance to win the conflict by the rules of amers. Only complete idleness will lead to success. And the article directly writes about his plans to seize 150 thousand hostages, cover up their objects with them, create chaos in South Korea, fill roads with refugees and so on.
    1. Natalia
      Natalia 28 March 2013 12: 56 New
      +1
      Quote: Rolm
      You do not believe that with a vigorous explosion it is impossible to immediately clear 3-4 km of minefields?

      With a nuclear explosion in such a small territory as the DPRK, you can accidentally mine yourself .....
      You ... never wondered WHY North Korea did exactly underground nuclear tests ...... think about it.
      Well ... all that you wrote below .... I apologize for the complete nonsense.
      ...........with respect hi
      1. leon-iv
        leon-iv 28 March 2013 13: 20 New
        +1
        WHY North Korea did the underground nuclear tests ... think about it
        to collect mat models.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 12: 21 New
    +3
    angry As for fiction, remember Budenovsk, it also seemed fiction and, what we could oppose, the agreement between Chernomyrdin and Basaev. If Kim goes along the path and has no other choice, the war can begin without his order, then the massacre will be tough. And what can you offer Kim, a remote war, the amers will bomb the bad guys, and they will sit quietly and wipe the snot. Kim only had no use, the use of chemical weapons, Kamikaze pilots and similar measures, and otherwise the fate of Sadam and Gaddafi. Amer made a strong vaccine to the leaders and they will not give up and will go to the end.
  • Roll
    Roll 28 March 2013 12: 31 New
    +2
    wassat By the way, Sadam also acted harshly in the first war and carried out what seemed to be fantastic, set fire to 600 Kuwaiti wells and lowered oil into the Persian Gulf, though these threats were not fatal and he didn’t have others, and then I’m worried that Amer’s drones were over the DPRK they don’t fly, the amers like to launch them so much, but here you can’t hear about them yet.
  • Volkhov
    Volkhov 28 March 2013 12: 51 New
    -9
    DPRK belongs to the Nazism system and borders on 3 countries of the Zionism system that block it. Break the blockade through Yu.K. no sense, because there is a fortified area, a large army, which is a pity as relatives, the US base, they already went there and know that it’s bad there and even the occupation of the territory of Yu.K. the blockade will only strengthen and complicate the internal situation due to the dilution of trained North Koreans by wild capitalists from the South.
    Therefore, the most likely policy is to scare Yu.K. shooting and fencing off fortified area, which is what is happening.
    Breaking the blockade through China is unrealistic - a large army, distances, business - the interests of the whole world and the new home of the Rothschilds ...
    The direction to the north remains - there are practically no troops, there is no agreement with the United States and their bases, the Korean diaspora of intelligence is there, the occupation of Primorye will solve the problem of gardens and other raw materials.
    For the Nazism system, this is important because the main burden of the war with Assad, the Tuaregs is borne by the Russian Federation with the supply of weapons and people, even with the Pacific Fleet they sent 3 out of 4 BDKs, and after the loss of communication with Kamchatka, Chukotka and Kolyma, the occupation of Primorye will not be Syria and the Sahara.
    The allies who are ready to fight for us, as it is not visible, even Belarus belongs without fanaticism, and the Japanese can occupy the Kuril Islands quietly.
    For the DPRK itself, an ultimatum on the transport corridor and supplies would be more suitable, and for their metropolis, war is politically more profitable ...
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 28 March 2013 21: 29 New
      +1
      They have the idea of ​​a fixed reunion with the South. Why should they go to Russia? Rave.
  • Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 28 March 2013 13: 03 New
    0
    Everything will be even faster and worse than in one Hollywood movie about which quite a lot has been written in recent days.

    Something I lagged behind life. What movie are you talking about?
  • Corporal
    Corporal 28 March 2013 13: 07 New
    +3
    And they wrote about us that we have hunger, and still think that rabid fanatics inhabit the country.
    In my opinion, the US puppeteers again lead everyone by the nose, the DPRK will not be soon, and the whole world will be convinced of the stripes being right. At least the first time.
  • Bosk
    Bosk 28 March 2013 13: 10 New
    +1
    The fact that the young leader wants to show his severity is as clear as day ..., the border guard is sorry, I doubt that he was hanged with an order ... more likely the opposite.
  • Odysseus
    Odysseus 28 March 2013 13: 18 New
    +3
    Tensions on the Korean Peninsula provoke the United States - it is very beneficial.
    1) Justifies the continuation of the occupation of South Korea.
    2) Justifies the deployment of a missile defense system (against China)
    3) Substantiates the Pentagon's military spending. "The image of the enemy"
    4) In the event of war, the economic power of South Korea is weakened. Moreover, the USA will again be the guarantor of the country's restoration.
    As for North Korea, they respond to the introduction of new sanctions naturally, rationally, but their rhetoric is more directed inside the country than outside.
    China is interested in the DPRK but wants more obedience from the new North Korean leader. In this case, China does not need a war.
    Well, South Korea acts directly against its own interests, which is not surprising. Nobody just asks for it. The ridiculous North Korean rhetoric in this case is absolutely right. They are just puppets.
    1. I think so
      I think so 29 March 2013 01: 41 New
      -1
      In the event of war, Japan will get very much from the DPRK, while China and Russia will benefit from it. Therefore, I do not agree that China or Russia is not interested here. Russia is even more interested if the United States also gets it. But what the hell is not joking, maybe Kim has a joker in his sleeve? And after the start, it turns out that a couple of cities on the coast will be burned. Then pin-dosam is not up to Russia or Iran.
      1. BruderV
        BruderV 29 March 2013 01: 50 New
        +1
        Quote: I think so
        in case of war from DPRK very much will get to Japan

        Well, what will get what? Strong word? Once again, find out the characteristics of the Japanese fleet in terms of missile defense. What is the Aegis system familiar with? If it were familiar, they would not write any heresy as shkololo. Or are the Japanese so stupid that they put their country under another vigorous bomb? Nothing will reach them, so they can afford to be aggressive.
        1. I think so
          I think so 29 March 2013 02: 30 New
          +2
          Dear after reading advertising booklets and having seen enough commercials, it’s excusable for you to carry such nonsense. The reality is that ANY system does not give ANY guarantee in a REAL war. North Korea has up to 200 missiles that can reach Tokyo and any of them MAY carry a nuclear warhead. They will be launched MASSIVE and no one Your Aegis can do ANYTHING against. Well, maybe they will knock down a dozen, but the remaining 190 and it’s not known which one will have a couple of three nuclear charges ... And your Aegis with anti-ballistic missiles capable of dropping such missiles as the DPRK in the United States so far has only 50 pieces, with only half in the Pacific Ocean . You’re much nonsense to grind nonsense, but you are not able to turn on the brain. Your optimism just touches me ...
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 29 March 2013 12: 19 New
        0
        Quote: I think so

        In the event of war, Japan will get very much from the DPRK, while China and Russia will benefit from it.

        Perhaps you are right. If so, then the alignment of forces regarding China is changing. But here we enter the field of fortune telling. An accurate assessment of the DPRK's ability to seriously harm Japan is very difficult.
        We can definitely say that the DPRK can cause unacceptable damage to the South Caucasus, which is a guarantee of its security.
        As for Russia, I am skeptical about the possibility of its leadership pursuing an independent foreign policy.
        And then, to be honest, I don’t understand, why would the DPRK attack Japan? Still, a nuclear / chemical weapon strike is inhumane, and it does not provide additional security guarantees to the DPRK.
  • fartfraer
    fartfraer 28 March 2013 13: 34 New
    +5
    I read komenty, and the post-negativity itself, a lot of irony, only for some reason the authors of these pearls forget that this small country took the liberty to confront the "world gendarme" and others. "Sing along", which still cannot make a large (relative to North Korea) Europe.
    Well, I don’t share the joys of a "sweetie in a cage." Chavez was of the same order as a leader, but everyone here mourned his death, however, as you can see, many did it secretly, rejoicing. I’m ashamed to be ashamed of you.
    1. Santa bear
      Santa bear 28 March 2013 14: 01 New
      +1
      let's frankly, Chavez and Kim Jong-un are all the same personalities of different scales. First, he came to power all the same himself, but did not inherit it from his father. Chavez strove to be closer to the people and strongly emphasized his unity with him, and for some reason he believed more than Kim Jong-un’s on-duty visits to factories and a meeting with "enthusiastically welcoming his beloved leader with crowds" And, unlike the "leader", the Venezuelan "commandant "although he allowed himself sharp and sometimes very non-diplomatic attacks on the United States and its allies, at least it did not threaten the" great just war "and the bending of everyone and everything in righteous anger by the forces of an" invincible army ". Chavez sought allies, strengthened the country ... and not only threatened his neighbors, blackmailing them for humanitarian aid. and for that matter, the death of Commander Chavez is a reason for true grief. the man sincerely believed in his country and, until his last breath, fought with the hegemony of the United States and looked for political alternatives. and Mr. Kim Jong-un comes up with exclusively empty threats and it is very doubtful whether he has the will and personal qualities to deal with something else, even if he lost miserably with the fight against his excess weight.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 28 March 2013 19: 07 New
        +3
        well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.
        Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.
        and as for the search for alternatives, the union was ruined by this search, because people wanted jeans, chewing gum and a hundred varieties of sausages. for me it’s so good. on jeans, give me a better standard of living for a working person! I’m ashamed to admit, but I’m a manager, I used to work as a bricklayer, I liked the job! Delays after 2 months, and I gave out debts in pieces. Therefore, sell your opinion in another place, and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who after the defeat lost the remnants of their former spirit (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured money and favor of the west.
        1. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 17 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          Quote: fartfraer
          well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.

          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          Quote: fartfraer

          Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.

          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          Quote: fartfraer

          give me a better normal living for a working person!

          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          Quote: fartfraer

          and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured by money and the favor of the West .

          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        2. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 17 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          Quote: fartfraer
          well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.

          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          Quote: fartfraer

          Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.

          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          Quote: fartfraer

          give me a better normal living for a working person!

          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          Quote: fartfraer

          and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured by money and the favor of the West .

          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        3. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 18 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          Quote: fartfraer
          well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.

          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          Quote: fartfraer

          Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.

          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          Quote: fartfraer

          give me a better normal living for a working person!

          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          Quote: fartfraer

          and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured by money and the favor of the West .

          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        4. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 18 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          Quote: fartfraer
          well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.

          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          Quote: fartfraer

          Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.

          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          Quote: fartfraer

          give me a better normal living for a working person!

          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          Quote: fartfraer

          and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured by money and the favor of the West .

          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        5. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 18 New
          +1
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          Quote: fartfraer
          well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.

          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          Quote: fartfraer

          Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.

          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          Quote: fartfraer

          give me a better normal living for a working person!

          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          Quote: fartfraer

          and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured by money and the favor of the West .

          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        6. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 30 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          "well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it."
          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          " Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.? "
          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          "Give me a better standard of living for a working person!"
          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          "and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example that not everything in this world is measured by money and favor west. "
          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
        7. Santa bear
          Santa bear 29 March 2013 09: 30 New
          0
          but please, don’t need here about the sale of my opinion and other angry rebuffs. If we are talking about the situation in Korea, excellent.
          "Well, frankly, it wasn’t a matter of chavez that helped the Russian Federation almost openly. We adjusted the armament, etc. Chavez had oil, no one threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.]"
          The Russian Federation helped Chavez, and North Korea is still practically under the wing of China. and what kind of peaceful nuclear program are we talking about? how many North Korea missiles and bombs with a nuclear warhead? Present, right? and the authorities of that country openly threaten the use of nuclear weapons in case of conflict. this ALREADY, with all desire, cannot be called a peaceful atomic program.
          "Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade?"
          Fidel Castro to help them. in general, do you seriously think that what they are doing now justifies this blackmail by war? Is this really a way out? and what do you think - how long will this situation continue?
          "Give me a better standard of living for a working person!"
          which is actually what we are talking about, no one talks about a hundred varieties of sausage, chewing gum and "democratic values" (pah, you are such a vile expression). They know how to work in North Korea. It means that something is wrong with the organization of labor, since it is not possible to feed. A system blindly built on dogmas, divorced from reality and which cannot be changed under pain of death, is unlikely to contribute to the prosperity of the nation.
          "and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who lost the remnants of their former spirit after the defeat (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example that not everything in this world is measured by money and favor west. "
          I agree, but I don’t understand how this is connected with Chavez and Venezuela. They were not sold to the West, so for God's sake, Koreans are great.
      2. fartfraer
        fartfraer 28 March 2013 19: 14 New
        0
        well, frankly, it wasn’t a question to the RF’s chavez that he helped almost openly. The armament was adjusted, etc. he had oil, nobody threatened him for developing a peaceful nuclear program, and he didn’t need it.
        Now you, undoubtedly a wise leader, explain how the Koreans should act if they are practically in blockade.
        and as for the search for alternatives, the union was ruined by this search, because people wanted jeans, chewing gum and a hundred varieties of sausages. for me it’s so good. on jeans, give me a better standard of living for a working person! I’m ashamed to admit, but I’m a manager, I used to work as a bricklayer, I liked the job! Delays after 2 months, and I gave out debts in pieces. Therefore, sell your opinion in another place, and if the Koreans decided to stand their ground, it’s an honor to them! it’s not the samurai who after the defeat lost the remnants of their former spirit (I’m talking about WWII), the Koreans are still holding on. And you are shown an example of the fact that not everything in this world is measured money and favor of the west.
  • krasin
    krasin 28 March 2013 13: 39 New
    +4
    Look at these faces. You are so competently discussing nuclear war, who is who and where --- it makes me creepy. Not much will seem!
  • Evgenx
    Evgenx 28 March 2013 13: 41 New
    +1
    North Kareya is our eastern border. Are we ready for a nuclear war? God forbid, if the North Karea dealt a nuclear strike !!!!!
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 28 March 2013 13: 46 New
      +2
      nuclear weapons are their only chance against the states, but against the south .. they would simply gobble up it if it weren’t for the state army.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 28 March 2013 13: 45 New
    -3
    Quote: Rustiger
    There will be no more devoted ally on the Far East than them, if something happens.

    , You will forgive generously, but such allies in the Far East are not needed. Fanaticism is not good ( blind, unconditional adherence to beliefs, especially in the field of religious-philosophical, national or political spheres; extreme adherence to any ideas, beliefs or beliefs, usually combined with intolerance of other people's views and beliefs). hi
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 28 March 2013 13: 50 New
      -1
      will China be a good ally? who in peacetime defended the Amur Islands with the connivance of our "rule"? yes, nafig, I live in Siberia and do not want to speak Chinese, so Koreans are much better, they have no territorial claims
  • Rustiger
    Rustiger 28 March 2013 14: 05 New
    0
    Quote: akromaserp
    Juche ideas are imperishable!


    That's for sure! A country the size of not the largest Russian region, with a minimum of resources, based on “juche-ha ideas,” can survive in this far-from-good world and even threaten some especially guilty damned bourgeois.
    And Russia, like a huge cash cow, on the "ideas" of two half-shaves (bald and bearded-shaggy), has been feeding the same overgrown democrats for almost a century.
    That's who should be a role model, not a "strong economy." . .
  • Edas
    Edas 28 March 2013 14: 15 New
    +2
    "Do not worry. There will be no war on the Korean Peninsula, and so send as many tourists as possible to us," one of the top officials of the Juche Country reassured Chinese tour operators specializing in trips to the DPRK.
  • Tan4ik
    Tan4ik 28 March 2013 14: 18 New
    +2

    But in general, I am in favor of uniting these two Koreas and let the world be there, where the amers will not meddle. And without them it makes you feel sick, even if they live as they live, but these people don’t go there and do not carry democracy.
  • rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 28 March 2013 14: 29 New
    +3
    In fact, although there is no longer massive hunger in the DPRK, the problem of malnutrition still exists, and writing it off is at least biased. Although the DPRK is a closed country, something is known about it. About 15% of the population there is malnourished. In January 2013, Asia Press published a report examining cases of hunger in the northeastern outskirts of Pyongyang. The main reason for the famine is not politics, but a bad harvest in 2012, the victims of which were several thousand people.

    For some reason, all the information on which is based public The "universal" opinion of famine in the DPRK, for decades, comes either from the United States or from South Korea. But I just can’t understand the simple thing: why should an agrarian country with a planned economy, a sufficient number of able-bodied, hard-working and unpretentious people starve? Or is there half a century ago that rice will not give birth, the radish dries up and the pigs die? Don’t get me wrong, just recently a “media bomb” slipped with the North Korean “concentration camps” displayed on some global maps (Google, in my opinion). Moreover, it was clearly explained that these were camps "disguised as cities and villages." fool
    1. vitya29111973
      vitya29111973 29 March 2013 03: 58 New
      0
      for a simple reason --- The budget works purely on the defense industry.
      1. rubber_duck
        rubber_duck 29 March 2013 10: 13 New
        +2
        Quote: vitya29111973
        for a simple reason --- The budget works purely on the defense industry.


        Do not smash the "democratic" market bullshit. Let me remind you, DPRK - closed planned agricultural countryand even Koreans don’t eat money. Man eats meat, vegetables and fish. The bulk of the population of the DPRK are peasants (people who directly obtain food). Well, where does the "budget working on the military-industrial complex" mean? I repeat, they do not have a market economy. And the pie costs a pie, but not from $ 1 to $ 100, depending on the mood of the "elite citizens." Or do you think that the DPRK’s bloody leadership takes away the bloody leadership of the weeping inhabitants and sells it to bloody Russia in exchange for machine guns? How can you marketers not understand that not everything can be measured in money. Especially the modern "virtual" ...
      2. rubber_duck
        rubber_duck 29 March 2013 10: 14 New
        0
        Quote: vitya29111973
        for a simple reason --- The budget works purely on the defense industry.


        Do not smash the "democratic" market bullshit. Let me remind you, DPRK - closed planned agricultural countryand even Koreans don’t eat money. Man eats meat, vegetables and fish. The bulk of the population of the DPRK are peasants (people who directly obtain food). Well, where does the "budget working on the military-industrial complex" mean? I repeat, they do not have a market economy. And the pie costs a pie, but not from $ 1 to $ 100, depending on the mood of the "elite citizens." Or do you think that the DPRK’s bloody leadership takes away the bloody leadership of the weeping inhabitants and sells it to bloody Russia in exchange for machine guns? How can you marketers not understand that not everything can be measured in money. Especially the modern "virtual" ...
      3. rubber_duck
        rubber_duck 29 March 2013 10: 14 New
        0
        Quote: vitya29111973
        for a simple reason --- The budget works purely on the defense industry.


        Do not smash the "democratic" market bullshit. Let me remind you, DPRK - closed planned agricultural countryand even Koreans don’t eat money. Man eats meat, vegetables and fish. The bulk of the population of the DPRK are peasants (people who directly obtain food). Well, where does the "budget working on the military-industrial complex" mean? I repeat, they do not have a market economy. And the pie costs a pie, but not from $ 1 to $ 100, depending on the mood of the "elite citizens." Or do you think that the DPRK’s bloody leadership takes away the bloody leadership of the weeping inhabitants and sells it to bloody Russia in exchange for machine guns? How can you marketers not understand that not everything can be measured in money. Especially the modern "virtual" ...
    2. vitya29111973
      vitya29111973 29 March 2013 03: 58 New
      0
      for a simple reason --- The budget works purely on the defense industry.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 28 March 2013 14: 35 New
    0
    Quote: fartfraer
    , I live in Siberia and don’t want to speak Chinese, so Koreans are much better

    It’s good that in Siberia. Imagine what began ... Amer pulled up the fleet, Russia sent a Pacific Fleet squadron to the region (it cannot help but send it), our troops were transferred to increased duty, along the border there is nobody except the Border Guards ..... How do you like the prospect ... fine ? It’s good that you live in Siberia. Sorry, that is clumsily written. hi
    1. fartfraer
      fartfraer 28 March 2013 19: 13 New
      +3
      A., well, yes, I forgot that Amers don't give a shit about life)) and a NATO soldier will come to your house, shit in the kitchen and sleep with your wife? how do you like these prospects? I don’t really. and a cheerful Korean neighbor will come to me without claims, but just to drink tea, talk, I’ll be glad to such a guest always! you’re afraid of the states, this is the problem of all the “slaves of democracy”, where did the people who are ready to die for the sake of the idea go to live justly? for the sake of their country It seems that all for the wars of the 20th century. Shredded, forum users.
      1. fartfraer
        fartfraer 28 March 2013 19: 18 New
        0
        I didn’t want to insult you, just an example, maybe unsuccessful. I ask you to understand
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 28 March 2013 15: 29 New
    0
    It would be funny if it weren’t so sad, and sometimes scary ...
    Blackmail did not bring anyone to good ...
    Here I remembered the old, almost student:

    KOREAN SATELLITE

    * * *
    Post ITAR - TASS

    On April 5, 2009, at 6.32 Moscow time, the centuries-old aspiration of the North Korean people was realized - the Kwanmenson-2 satellite was launched into near-earth orbit.
    According to the Central Telegraph Agency of Korea, the flight is going according to plan, from a satellite to the entire Universe, “Songs about the commander Kim Il Sung” and “Songs about the commander Kim Jong Il” sound in real time. In addition, the space messenger carries North Korean measuring instruments - a ruler, the Slava wristwatch of 1952, weights for scales and a medical thermometer. All devices are working properly.
    The miracle "Kwanmenson-2" did not arise from scratch. The history of North Korean astronautics has a rich and long tradition. The great ancestor of all North Koreans Tangun (XXIV century BC) already felt love for interstellar spaces and plowed the space of the Universe in his bold dreams. An enlightener of the 18th century, Chol Soo, overcame earthly gravitation with thought and penetrated fearlessly into cosmic depths. He repeatedly tried to throw a stone there, carefully following his trajectory. In the sixteenth century, a runaway Confucian monk, Hon Hwanpo, built the world's first North Korean hand-drawn rocket from an unprocessed slate XNUMX meters high with a foundation. Structurally and in terms of the reserves of food taken on board, the rocket was designed to enter the near-Earth space, but without the powerful engine technology at that time, it could not tear itself away from the Earth. North Korean Gagarin himself was executed by Japanese invaders for impudence. The feat of Hon Hwanpo breathed new power into the dream and raised the masses. Across North Korea, simple fuckers * and peasants built interplanetary aircraft from improvised material to conquer the horizons of the unknown. But the lack of professional skills and the inability to calculate the ablative effect ** led to tragedies, which nevertheless did not kill the North Korean traditional indestructible craving for interplanetary roads.
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 28 March 2013 15: 29 New
    +5
    It would be funny if it weren’t so sad, and sometimes scary ...
    Blackmail did not bring anyone to good ...
    Here I remembered the old, almost student:

    KOREAN SATELLITE

    * * *
    Post ITAR - TASS

    On April 5, 2009, at 6.32 Moscow time, the centuries-old aspiration of the North Korean people was realized - the Kwanmenson-2 satellite was launched into near-earth orbit.
    According to the Central Telegraph Agency of Korea, the flight is going according to plan, from a satellite to the entire Universe, “Songs about the commander Kim Il Sung” and “Songs about the commander Kim Jong Il” sound in real time. In addition, the space messenger carries North Korean measuring instruments - a ruler, the Slava wristwatch of 1952, weights for scales and a medical thermometer. All devices are working properly.
    The miracle "Kwanmenson-2" did not arise from scratch. The history of North Korean astronautics has a rich and long tradition. The great ancestor of all North Koreans Tangun (XXIV century BC) already felt love for interstellar spaces and plowed the space of the Universe in his bold dreams. An enlightener of the 18th century, Chol Soo, overcame earthly gravitation with thought and penetrated fearlessly into cosmic depths. He repeatedly tried to throw a stone there, carefully following his trajectory. In the sixteenth century, a runaway Confucian monk, Hon Hwanpo, built the world's first North Korean hand-drawn rocket from an unprocessed slate XNUMX meters high with a foundation. Structurally and in terms of the reserves of food taken on board, the rocket was designed to enter the near-Earth space, but without the powerful engine technology at that time, it could not tear itself away from the Earth. North Korean Gagarin himself was executed by Japanese invaders for impudence. The feat of Hon Hwanpo breathed new power into the dream and raised the masses. Across North Korea, simple fuckers * and peasants built interplanetary aircraft from improvised material to conquer the horizons of the unknown. But the lack of professional skills and the inability to calculate the ablative effect ** led to tragedies, which nevertheless did not kill the North Korean traditional indestructible craving for interplanetary roads.
  • Terrible ensign
    Terrible ensign 28 March 2013 15: 32 New
    +3
    Continued:
    And finally, the eternal dream came true! ..
    The Tekhodon-2 launch vehicle, which launched the Kwanmenson-2 satellite into orbit, is a solid 45-meter single-stage structure made of valuable wood species common in North Korea - Manchurian walnut, Korean pine and Chosenia. The building is covered with decorative weaving from bamboo straws and decorated with folk mosaic from sea shells. The rocket works on the accumulated energy of North Koreans' love for the Great Leader. The satellite itself is made of ceramic in the form of a 7-meter bottle of Punchon *** with a traditional ornament. A powerful one and a half-meter speaker is inserted into its neck, which carries the whole space of songs about North Korean leaders to the whole cosmos visible with a simple eye. The satellite operates offline and is designed for several tens of millions of years of active use. In this regard, the malicious reaction to the launch of a large North Korean audio gadget from the United States, Japan and South Korea is completely incomprehensible. They accuse the satellite of being a military man. Of course, you can somehow attach a nuclear bomb to it. But the fact is that it is heavy and the satellite will not take off with it. That is why the Russian Foreign Ministry in its official statement called on the world community to treat the space odyssey of our friends from the DPRK with understanding and sympathy, especially since the North Korean cargo ship sent to monitor the rocket’s flight through binoculars was forced to return back due to a breakdown.

    * Ybyon is a Korean partisan who fought with the Japanese invaders. At one time, in the journal Korea Today, the following verses were published: "The hiding by the hiding in the mountains / He inflicts damage to the enemy / The enemy cannot be caught by the enemy / After all, the mother is waiting for the house to be fucked." They were well known at Moscow State University and USU. One of the professors of the Institute of African and Asian countries did not put five on an exam on the history of Korea if the student did not know "mother-fucked."
    ** Ablative effect - 1.the effect of the absence of a sign; 2. unpredictability of consequences; 3. The effect of the negative final impact (result) as a result of seemingly correct and logical preliminary actions.
    *** Punchon - Korean folk vodka (moonshine).
    1. GG2012
      GG2012 28 March 2013 16: 21 New
      +1
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer

      “In the mountains is hiding
      He deals damage to the enemy /
      Don’t catch the enemy
      After all, a mother is waiting at home. ”

      Bravo! good

      PS
      Chestnuts have blossomed.
      Bloomed cabbage.
      I woke up
      Sexual feeling.
    2. GG2012
      GG2012 28 March 2013 16: 21 New
      0
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer

      “In the mountains is hiding
      He deals damage to the enemy /
      Don’t catch the enemy
      After all, a mother is waiting at home. ”

      Bravo! good

      PS
      Chestnuts have blossomed.
      Bloomed cabbage.
      I woke up
      Sexual feeling.
    3. itkul
      itkul 28 March 2013 16: 34 New
      +5
      Quote: Scary Warrant Officer
      A powerful one and a half-meter speaker is inserted into its neck, which carries the whole space of songs about North Korean leaders to the whole cosmos visible with a simple eye.



      Speaking of songs

  • dvs73
    dvs73 28 March 2013 16: 23 New
    +2
    IMHO, the DPRK has missiles capable of reaching about Hawaii, But where? ... From there and what did the guys like the Persians do in nuclear tests request
  • Algor73
    Algor73 28 March 2013 16: 53 New
    0
    It is doubtful that the UK will use its nuclear weapons in relation to the South Caucasus - it considers these territories to be its own. And the United States will not apply - not only the UK will suffer. After all, nuclear weapons are not a joke. But what sooner or later will explode there is for sure.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 28 March 2013 16: 59 New
    +6
    Well, why are we neighing over North Korean robots ..?
    The Great Patriotic War did not leave any Soviet family unaffected (and we all know how it crashed into our memory), the war of the years 50-53 went through Korean families, perhaps more abruptly than our own, according to ours: to say at least 30 million inhabitants of Korea (North and South) during the war killed 9 million! Every third. Imagine how this war crashed into people's memory. And if you make a little clarification, then the portrait of the American military in the Korean consciousness will begin to gradually manifest itself. So, a clarification: 8 million of these dead are civilians.

    Immediately after the outbreak of the war in 1950, the first US cavalry division drove several hundred refugees from southern Korea under a bridge near the village of No Gong Ri. There were mostly women and children. The Americans "suspected" that partisan communists were hiding among the refugees. The "problem" was solved simply simple: they opened fire and destroyed everyone in a row. This was reported by the Associated Press after a detailed investigation and a survey of killer soldiers. US Secretary of Defense Cohen immediately hastened to declare that no documents about this genocide were preserved in the Pentagon.

    The bloody massacre took place in what is now South Korea.

    September 20, 1950 Pyongyang.

    9:00
    The first group of B-29 bombers appears above the city, after which the following groups continue to approach until 13 o’clock.
    Aircraft drop high-explosive and incendiary bombs over various residential areas of the city.
    13:30
    The second raid begins. Fighters again appear in the sky, who from a low-level flight shoot people who are trying to extinguish fires and the rest who run out into the street.
    Later, bombers come up and again drop napalm bombs on residential areas.
    In total, on September 20, 1950, the bombing of residential areas in Pyongyang lasted about 12 hours.

    1 May 1952 city
    The Americans fired 57 chemical shells on the positions of the Korean People’s Army.
    Symptoms of the lesion were similar both times: asphyxiation, lacrimation and swollen eyes, vomiting, loss of consciousness.
    Another touch to the portrait of an American soldier in the Korean mind.
    Some of the Korean fighters were captured. There they recognized the American military from a new perspective:
    June 10, 1952 Cojedo, camp number 76.
    Americans use skin-blasting substances against prisoners of war, which are a sticky poisonous liquid that burns the body.
    Americans spray POWs with this liquid three times a day.
    May 18, 1952 Cojedo, camp number 76.
    In three sectors, tear poisonous substances are used against prisoners of war. 24 prisoners of war died, 46 lost their sight.

    Still funny? am
    1. Black
      Black 28 March 2013 17: 57 New
      -2
      The saddest thing is that humanity, even in the 21st century, is still the same - greedy and bloodthirsty.
      People are suffering and starving, fat Eun is ready to throw 5-10 million citizens into the fire to strengthen his own power. And no one can do anything.
      China and Russia would come to an agreement, but turn your neck to idiots!
      1. I think so
        I think so 29 March 2013 01: 53 New
        +3
        As for the idiots of the neck, you are right. The only one? Or maybe it’s you who heard a lot of delirium spread by the pin-dosami I’ll die?