The Americans are puzzled: with such an F-15, there is no need for an F-35!

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The Americans are puzzled: with such an F-15, there is no need for an F-35!

It's hard to talk about Boeing's F-15EX Eagle II. In general, the F-15 is such a phenomenon in the air stories world, which is difficult to approach as a regular aircraft. The point is not even that the F-15 aircraft has already exchanged its sixth decade and is not going to retire, but how effective a combat machine it is today.

Yes, it is clear that despite its age, the F-15 is quite effective. Today it is one of the best strike aircraft in its class, and it is important to understand that the difference between the F-15 that flew in 1972 and the F-15EX Eagle II (Advanced Eagle) is about the same as between the Su-27 (born in 1977) and the Su-35S. The term "completely different aircraft" can be applied to both pairs of aircraft.




A two-seat version of the aircraft, designed to replace the old F-15s produced in the 80s. Despite the external similarity, inside it is a completely new aircraft: new engines, radar with AFAR, defense system, cockpit with large color displays. The aircraft also has more suspension points and is equipped with a fly-by-wire control system.

Overall, the F-15EX Eagle II is the latest version of the now-legendary F-15, boasting advanced avionics, decent payload capacity, and advanced radar systems. However, its hefty price tag of $90 million per unit — higher than the F-35A — has raised concerns about cost overruns and value for money.

In fact, the concerns of some in Congress are understandable: While the F-15EX offers unmatched versatility and firepower, critics argue that its lack of stealth and high operating costs make it a poor investment. Does the Air Force really need this expensive upgrade, or would the money be better spent elsewhere?

And the second point: is the F-15EX really strategically necessary or is it just an expensive upgrade?


The F-15EX Eagle II is the latest addition to the F-15 family of fighters. This advanced multirole fighter is designed to replace the U.S. Air Force's aging F-15C/D aircraft and provides unprecedented flexibility in both air-to-air and air-to-ground combat. The F-15EX represents a significant leap forward in technology and capability, making it a critical asset for modern military operations.

What is the F-15EX Eagle II?



The F-15EX is an advanced version of the F-15E Strike Eagle that incorporates numerous upgrades to enhance performance and survivability. It features advanced avionics, digital flight controls, improved radar systems, and expanded weapons compatibility. The aircraft is designed to perform a wide range of missions, including air superiority, ground attack, and electronic warfare.

One of the distinctive features of the F-15EX is its impressive payload capacity. The aircraft can carry up to 13 kg of weapons, including missiles “air-to-air”, “air-to-ground” munitions and electronic warfare pods. This makes it one of the most heavily armed fighters in the world. In addition, the F-15EX is equipped with the latest AN/APG-82(V) active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which provides excellent detection and tracking capabilities. A bonus is the ability to use part of the radar array to emit jamming signals. And it is a bonus, because there are separate antennas on the sides of the fuselage for the electronic warfare.


The F-15EX also features a modern cockpit with large displays, advanced mission systems, and an open architecture that allows for the rapid integration of new technologies. This ensures that the aircraft can adapt to changing threats and mission requirements.

Why is the F-15EX so expensive?


The F-15EX has a hefty price tag of around $90 million per unit, making it more expensive than the F-35A! What makes this aircraft so expensive? Well, there are actually a few factors that can explain why the F-15EX is so hefty in dollars.

The F-15EX Eagle II is equipped with state-of-the-art technologies, including advanced avionics, radar systems, and electronic warfare systems. The development and integration of these technologies requires significant investment in research and development (R&D). Although the F-15EX is not a stealth fighter, it still impresses with its capabilities.

The F-15EX production involves complex assembly processes and strict quality control measures. The aircraft's complex systems and components add to the complexity and cost of production.

Plus, the production itself is not as simple as we would like: the F-15 was already written off once, and some of the production facilities were repurposed for other tasks. Well, you understand that there was a time when the F-22 reigned in everyone's minds. The infrastructure necessary for the production of the F-15 was decommissioned, and its restoration for the production of new F-15 models required both time and resources.

Additionally, the F-15EX program relies on a global supply chain, with components sourced from multiple countries. Coordinating production and quality assurance across this vast network also adds to the cost. Importing parts from other countries that are still recovering from the COVID pandemic and other geopolitical factors is expensive, further increasing the cost of the F-15EX.

Beyond the initial acquisition cost, the F-15EX has high sustainment costs. This includes maintenance, upgrades, and operating costs, or what is known as the aircraft’s life cycle. The aircraft’s advanced systems require specialized training and support, which can add to defense budgets.

The positive thing is that the F-15EX has a much longer service life, but this comes at a significant financial cost. However, not everything is always measured in money.

Is the F-15EX Eagle II worth the cost?



Whether the F-15EX is worth its hefty price tag remains a subject of ongoing debate. Supporters argue that the jet's enhanced capabilities justify the investment, while critics point to cost overruns and technical problems.

Here are some of the benefits the F-15EX offers:


The F-15EX features significant improvements over its predecessors, including greater payload capacity, improved radar systems, and superior electronic warfare capabilities. These improvements make it a formidable weapons in modern combat conditions. Despite the lack of stealth technology, the F-15EX has significant striking power.

Moreover, this power is actually greater than that of the F-35. It is a paradox, but the F-15EX carries almost one and a half times more weapons than the F-35A, and twice as many as the F-35B. And its set of weapons is more diverse than that of the next-generation fighter!


Moreover, the F-35's payload was sacrificed for the same stealth. Anything placed on the external suspension nodes instantly negates all this stealth, which was mentioned at the wrong time, and 4 (four) suspension points in the internal compartment are not the 12 points of the F-15EX, which many today consider the most armed fighter in the world - one of its combat configurations involves equipping it with 22 air-to-air missiles (including AIM-120D missiles with a range of up to 180 km), and another - eight air-to-air missiles and 28 guided missiles. aviation 100 kg SDB (Small Diameter Bomb) bombs.

13,2 tons of weapons for the F-15EX versus 8,1 tons for the F-35A/C – and what’s the point of the F-35’s suspension capabilities if you can’t use the external ones because the F-35 starts to “glow” on radars like a Christmas tree. But if you spit on stealth and hang the 35th with everything you can… But why? There’s the F-15, with which all these manipulations are much easier to do!

About the future



The F-15EX has an open architecture, the Open Mission System (OMS), which allows for the rapid incorporation of new technologies. This adaptability ensures that the aircraft remains relevant as new missions in the sky and developments on the ground emerge. Additionally, the F-15EX’s multi-role capabilities allow it to perform a wide range of missions, from air superiority to ground attack. This makes it highly versatile and valuable to the U.S. Air Force and its allies.

An additional, but very important, capability is the control of a wingman unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), such as the Australian Boeing Loyal Wingman. Similar drones capable of not only carrying out reconnaissance, but also carrying missiles, significantly increasing the capabilities of the lead aircraft.

Criticisms of the F-15EX


Critics of the jet’s modernization program have been quick to point out some potential problems. The F-15EX program has been plagued by cost overruns and delays, raising concerns about its affordability. Dissenters argue that money spent on the F-15EX could be better spent on other defense priorities.

The F-15EX has encountered various technical problems, including software bugs and integration issues. New technologies have yet to be integrated into the platform. These problems raise questions about the reliability and readiness of the aircraft, but this is a completely normal course of events. All new aircraft without exception have encountered such problems, and this, by the way, once again confirms the opinion that the F-15EX is practically a new aircraft.


The high operating and maintenance costs of the F-15EX are the biggest concern for many of the project's opponents. It should be noted that most of the critics are from the stealth camp, which means that for them, apart from the F-22 and F-35, there are no modern aircraft at all.

Of course, the new aircraft's advanced systems require specialized support, which could strain defense budgets. Especially with so many other expensive projects eating into the budget, many are wondering whether a major airframe overhaul of an older aircraft is really necessary.

And the most seasoned proponents of stealth aircraft generally argue that existing aircraft, such as the F-35A, can perform many of the same tasks at a (relatively) lower cost.

Here, however, regarding the low cost, we need to count three times and understand why NATO countries that bought the F-35 practically do not operate them. Is this somehow connected with the stunningly low cost of operating the 35th?


So what if the F-35A is stealthy? That's it! In every other way, from its advanced avionics to its range, speed, and payload, the F-15EX is head and shoulders above.

Is the game worth the candle at all?



Let's look. Let's just look at the flight characteristics that determine the combat value of the aircraft.

Take-off weight. The planes are roughly equal.

Engine power. The F-135A's F100-PW-35 and the F-110EX's General Electric F129-GE-15 engines are roughly equal in their capabilities and characteristics, but the F-15 has two…

Maximum speed. The F-15 is significantly (2,5M vs. 1,6M) faster, and the F-35 is required to fly at subsonic speeds. The coating is damaged.

Combat radius of action. The F-15 has 200 km more.

Ceiling. The F-15 can climb 3 meters higher.

The weapons have already been mentioned above; the F-15 takes on more and is more diverse, carries further, at a higher speed and at a higher altitude (which is useful, since no one has cancelled the enemy’s air defense systems).

What's up with the F-35? Oh yeah... stealth... and a truncated complex EW a fighter that is capable of jamming in the X-band (8–12 GHz) in the forward sector of its radar, because it is the radar that is the main on-board jamming device on this aircraft.

By the way, the F-15EX has an AN/ALQ-214(V)3 jamming station that provides all-round jamming.


In general, if you close your eyes to the very beautiful contours and lines of the F-35, and think about which aircraft you would prefer to go into battle on, I think the choice is obvious. And I am sure many will agree with me in the sense that to hell with this low visibility, they are not so invisible, these "invisible" aircraft, but a couple of fuel tanks and a dozen air-to-air missiles will not be superfluous in any case.

Yes, the F-35B has a wonderful feature – VTOL and short takeoff.


This is really useful for aircraft that operate from the decks of aircraft carriers. The F-35B has been assigned not only to aircraft carriers, but also to UDCs, which has really expanded the capabilities of the Marine Corps Air Force. And it can be a very effective aircraft in its own right.

Otherwise, and even American experts themselves admit this, even with a higher cost and some “distrust,” the F-15EX is superior to the F-35. And then, if we talk about money: can the difference be considered significant? The cost of the F-15EX is $90 million per unit. The F-35A costs about $85 million, the F-35B – $115 million, the F-35C – $108 million.

Well, it's not prohibitive, our Su-35S is valued at the same 100 million dollars, and this is the same 4th generation aircraft as the F-15! Where is the "high cost" of the F-15EX, especially considering that an hour of F-35 flight costs about 45 thousand dollars, which is much more expensive than F-15 fighters (29 thousand). In addition, servicing the aircraft during operation will cost a very decent amount, plus training pilots.

In fact, by all parameters, the F-15EX is the best aircraft in the US Air Force today. And surprisingly, not the most expensive. Capable of solving almost any combat mission and solving it, as in previous decades, quite successfully.


In general, it must be said that America is extremely lucky to have such a plane. And also the F/A-18 Hornet. If the US air defense capability was based on the F-22 and F-35, it would be simply laughable. However, everyone understands this anyway.

And so it turned out that the F-35 is an object of trade around the world, the F-22 is an object of bragging without demonstrations, and the F-15, F-16 and F/A-18 will ensure the safety of American skies. Inexpensively and effectively.
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  1. +1
    26 February 2025 04: 11
    The cost of an airplane becomes an issue when combat and non-combat losses begin. It seems that an airplane is a weapon carrier and if it is capable of using this weapon effectively, then it is not always a project like "Zumwalt". All wars are won by mass, inexpensive and technologically advanced weapons. If the States can afford to buy such an airplane in large quantities, then there is enough money for its operation.
    And yes, it is incorrect to compare the cost with our technical data; the price on the world market and the real purchase price of the Ministry of Defense can differ by tens and even hundreds of times.
  2. +4
    26 February 2025 04: 20
    In fact, by all measures, the F-15EX is the best aircraft in the US Air Force today.

    Air Force. But not Navy or Marine Corps.
    1. -6
      26 February 2025 09: 42
      The Navy and Marines have the "Hornet") I've been saying for a long time that the F-35 is another grandiose scam of suckers from "Lockheed" and nothing more)))
      1. -3
        26 February 2025 09: 49
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The Navy and Marines have the "Hornet") I've been saying for a long time that the F-35 is another grandiose scam of suckers from "Lockheed" and nothing more)))

        SuperHornet. But it is noticeably weaker than the Eagle, and comparable to the F-35.
        1. +2
          26 February 2025 10: 00
          Yes, but definitely better than the F-35. We can erect a monument to the cheapskates from Boeing who pushed through the write-off and cutting of the F-14 in Washington)))
          1. +7
            26 February 2025 14: 14
            What are you arguing about? Have you listened to too many advertisements and amateur reviews? These are different aircraft and they have different tasks. One provides covert target designation and reconnaissance, and the second acts as a flying battery and uses this target designation ... The F-35 is not a universal aircraft and is not needed in such quantities and only for the USA. It has several special missions. The F-15EX is a multifunctional universal aircraft that performs many tasks. Many such aircraft are needed. At the same time, the F-35 may poorly perform all the tasks for the F-15EX, but the latter cannot perform the main tasks for the F-35. Roma did not write anything in the huge article that needed to be written and repeated hackneyed phrases more than once. Why such creativity?
            1. +1
              26 February 2025 14: 29
              But what about Lockheed's promises that the F-35 will replace everything and everywhere, except bombers and AWACS aircraft? And why produce a highly specialized aircraft in thousands of copies?
              1. 0
                26 February 2025 14: 35
                This is an advertising ploy, the plane needs to be sold and it only works in the American global information system. Europeans and others, buying the F-35, are buying it not for themselves but for the Americans. And it is even more stupid for India to buy such a plane. They will not transfer the technology, they will not allow modification, and spare parts and consumables will be sold at an exorbitant price... The US needs a couple of hundred of these planes, and everyone understands this, including the Americans themselves, but they are silent. And for their industry, the more, the better... And all the conclusions and findings are paid for. But the Su-57E is suitable for everyone and for everything...
                1. -3
                  26 February 2025 14: 45
                  But the Su-57E suits everyone. Marketing needs to be tightened up and explained to everyone. Of course, with competent after-sales service and acceptable reliability. The Su-57E can be turned into a T-34, and a T-34-85 at that..., if you want and have the means. The Su-57E is already an underrated aircraft...
                  1. +3
                    27 February 2025 17: 19
                    Quote: Okko777
                    But the Su-57E suits everyone. We need to tighten up the marketing and explain this to everyone.

                    The Su-57, including the export version, has really succeeded in everything - both for strike missions, and for suppressing enemy air defense, and as a fighter for gaining air superiority, and as an interceptor at extreme distances (up to 300 km) from its own invisibility zone. And the demand for it abroad, despite sanctions and negative advertising from opponents, is growing. The issue of organizing large-scale production along all cooperation chains so that the work on assembling the machines would proceed rhythmically and stably. As far as open sources allow, the Su-57 will be built on three new assembly lines. The first of them should reach its design capacity/productivity of 30 aircraft per year this year. The second line has already begun assembling machines this year and will now increase productivity to those 30 machines per year. The third line is currently being built and equipped, and it will probably assemble a two-seater version of this machine, which we now also need. That is, the combined capacity of the three lines should be 90 aircraft per year. At the same time, for the VKS alone, we planned (again, according to open sources) to purchase at least 300 Su-57s, and now it is quite possible that even more. India wanted to buy about the same amount during the joint project, and the size of purchases under the new contract will most likely be about the same volume. The figures for other interested parties are not yet known, except for the first contract with Algeria, which ordered 14 of these machines (it will probably order more), but the total market capacity and the expected total demand for the Su-57 is estimated at about 1000 units, which is not bad at all.
                    But the example with the American F-15EX suggests that there is quite a strong demand in the world for 4++ - with AFAR, new engines, avionics and a 5th generation armament. And here it would not be a sin to remember our Su-30SM, which is in great need of modernization, and preferably not immediately to the Su-30SM2, but immediately to the Su-30SM3 - with an ABLM, avionics and engines from the Su-57. Moreover, the AFAR canvas of the "Belka" is best made with the ability to turn right / left, as is implemented in the "Irbis". And the same modernization should be offered to the Indians to modernize their Su-30MKI fleet. They have been offered modernization to the Su-35SE level for several years, but they stubbornly wanted AFAR. Well, if they are signing a contract for the delivery and assembly of the Su-57E, then the modernization of the Su-30MKI should be done at the level of the Su-30SM3. This is a very promising direction both for the delivery of a new modernization of the Su-30 for export, and for the modernization of the entire Su-30 fleet previously delivered for export. Moreover, this year they are promising to deliver the Su-35SM to the troops in exactly this configuration - radar, avionics and the composition of the weapons as the Su-57.
                    1. +1
                      27 February 2025 19: 50
                      Thanks for the up-to-date information. In this case, our marketers are very inept in offering the Su-57E to India. Everything is obvious here, we need to explain to the Indians in a popular, well-reasoned and clear manner that the F-35 is a trap for them and a waste of money...
                      1. +2
                        27 February 2025 20: 14
                        Quote: Okko777
                        In this case, our marketers are very inept in offering the Su-57E to India. Everything is obvious here, we need to explain to the Indians in a popular, well-reasoned and clear manner that the F-35 is a trap for them and a waste of money...

                        There is no need to explain anything to the Indians, the flow of their thoughts and consciousness is a great secret... it is enigmatic. So let them think and mature THEMSELVES. In principle, they have already matured, because having screwed up with the purchase of "Rafales" and the termination of the previous contract with Russia, they fell into such a hole with their "cunning" that, having become convinced that they were already in it... they urgently began to probe Russia on the subject of "Is it possible to purchase your Su-57?", "Is it possible to submit an application for the promising Su-75?" Modi discussed this with Putin back in Kazan.
                        And they are unlikely to covet the F-35, because in addition to its stealth, it is inconvenient for everyone. Including software updates. And the fact that right now no more than 50% of all the built "Lightnings" are combat-ready. But the Indians simply looked at how the Su-57 flies, looked at how effectively it is used in the Air Defense Forces, and also calculated HOW MANY 5th generation aircraft are already in service with China and Pakistan and how many there will be in 2-3-5 years. And they realized that there is no point in dancing - they need to urgently order.
                        So for us this is also very interesting, promising and even convenient. After all, if the assembly of the majority of Su-57s is carried out in India, then our own assembly lines will not be loaded with this order (but the enterprises of the production cooperation will be loaded, because 300 machine kits is a lot) and will be able to drive orders for the VKS and other customers.
                        And Trump will push through the "Lightning" together with other proposals for cooperation and friendship against China, enticing with goodies and promising investments. But having the opportunity to buy the Su-57, which is two heads higher in terms of the combination of characteristics, and in the future the Su-75... No, if I were in the Indians' place, I would order additional AWACS and ASW aircraft from the US, possibly additional C-130 "Hercules", but not "Lightning". Because they will be frankly weak against Chinese aircraft... even if they could be used normally.
                        And of course our marketers don't need to make anti-advertisements for the USA, they have already done everything for us. Let's be polite and get profit.
                      2. -1
                        27 February 2025 20: 23
                        But then it is better to advertise the Su-57E, because it has a truly open architecture and the Indians can install any systems there, including for coordination with their weapons systems. Let's call it modestly this way...
                      3. +2
                        27 February 2025 20: 51
                        Quote: Okko777
                        But then it would be better to advertise the Su-57E, because it has a truly open architecture and the Indians can install any systems there.

                        Why advertise something that doesn't need any advertising? SVO has shown everything, Bogdan showed amazing aerobatics in China and India, Algeria has not only signed a contract, but will soon receive the first Su-57E. And the production facilities are being prepared specifically for large-scale production - we will definitely be able to build 90 aircraft per year by the end of this decade... and this is without taking into account the Indian contract for machine kits. India has already played enough with multi-vectorism and almost broke its legs in this fiery dance. It is already ripe.
                        Quote: Okko777
                        including for coordination with their weapons systems. Let's call it modestly this way...

                        India doesn't have anything of its own that it could put on the Su-57, but it buys certain systems from Israel, and we can easily meet them halfway in this regard. Especially since they are going to assemble the planes themselves. We will still pay the same amount for the license and machine kits for each plane as for a fully finished plane assembled by us. For the Indians, assembling the Su-30MKI ourselves cost TWICE as much as buying ready-made ones from us, but this was their price for expertise. And they considered it justified.
                        This year, the First Assembly Line should produce 30 Su-57s... and it is possible that the Second Line will also be able to deliver some quantity by the end of the year. It all depends on when the first aircraft were laid down on the stocks of the Second Line. It is known that last year, but what is the production cycle? At first, the production cycle was 2 years, at present, I hope, it is already about 1,5 years. The production cycle of such proven machines as the Su-30SM and Su-35S is one year. So, the increase in production dictates the need to export these machines, because our Aerospace Forces will most likely simply not be able to accept more than 30 machines of this type per year - it is necessary to train pilots, airfield base infrastructure, technical personnel, and possibly form new regiments. So the time has come for export.
                        I would very much like to see in the near future an enlarged two-seater version of the Su-57 as an MPA aircraft - a carrier of the anti-ship missile defense system. And it would be good with R-579V-300 engines if they finally bring it to mind. This could become the basis for the revival of our MPA, a medium/Eurostrategic bomber and even a long-range escort fighter for DA aircraft... But for now these are just dreams.
                2. +1
                  26 February 2025 17: 12
                  Lockheed tied suckers to the F-35 program, back when it was just being designed. Everyone had to "invest" in the program now, and get the planes later. Those who want to leave can leave, but they still won't get their money back. So this is a classic rip-off of suckers and nothing more.
            2. +1
              26 February 2025 23: 04
              In fact, the Fu-35 is a replacement for the F-16. And the F-22 is a replacement for the Igloo, but the replacement turned out to be very expensive in all respects, and so they decided to stop at 180 jokes. But the JSF plans to produce 2+ thousand pieces. That's a bit too much for special missions, for which the F-22 will be just as good, if not better (the Fu-35 will only have newer avionics, but if desired, it could be updated on the Raptors)
            3. +1
              27 February 2025 00: 50
              Roma = Sky Ships? Who inspired whom?
              I strongly suggest you watch the video for this article. good something almost word for word, but the video is of course clearer laughing
              https://youtu.be/RjZi0kxfNhw?si=0LRpy-4sAAr-WapJ
  3. +6
    26 February 2025 04: 21
    Yes, dear, but it carries more, but there is no stealth...
    This is a summary of the entire material.
  4. -3
    26 February 2025 04: 28
    What is the F-15EX Eagle II?
    This is a clear example of the corruption that has struck the Pentagon. Boeing has degraded so much that it has begun to fail in all areas, in civil aviation, in space, in military equipment. Where to get the money? Lobby for the purchase of the F-15EX Eagle II, which the US Air Force does not need at all. They succeeded, especially since they raised the price tag to space.
    Is the F-15EX Eagle II worth the cost?
    Of course not. The F-15EX Eagle II is a re-branded F-15QA, the creation of which (including development and testing) was paid for by Qatar in the amount of 12! billion US dollars, receiving... 36 aircraft. And for some reason no one in the US Congress asked the question, "Will nothing stick together there?"
    1. -4
      26 February 2025 17: 16
      Because everyone in Washington got a good cutlet. So, there will be no stupid questions. This is far from the first case and not the last. In the same way, at one time, Boeing lobbied for the decommissioning of the F-14 so that the F-18 would not have a competitor. And the fact that the US Navy is now in a very dangerous situation, because the Hornet does not pull through in terms of its performance characteristics))) so who cares about this at Boeing? The budgets have already been spent)))
    2. 0
      16 May 2025 09: 47
      What is the "space price tag"? The Frogs have sold their Rafale to the "Bollywood disco dancers" for $288 million each. Against this background, $90 million for the F-15, which is superior in all respects, is nothing at all. Let's not forget about its reputation: the F-15 has the best victory-to-loss ratio of all modern aircraft in the world based on the results of real military conflicts over the past 40 years. But the domestic MiG-29 has the exact opposite image - it has the image of a "whipping boy", when for every victory there are 1...10 of its own losses.
      1. 0
        16 May 2025 11: 30
        Quote: Rakitin
        sold their Rafale to "Bollywood disco dancers" for $288 million each. Against this background, $90 million for the F-15, which is superior in all respects, is nothing at all.

        You are comparing different situations. The Indians bought a complex of an aircraft, spare parts and additional engines, training of technicians and pilots, ASP means for Rafale. The Pentagon is buying only an aircraft, the development of which has already been paid for by Qatar, because it already has everything else.
  5. +8
    26 February 2025 04: 50
    The heavy fighter turns out to be more powerful than the light one. Suddenly.
  6. -18
    26 February 2025 05: 10
    How much can this vaunted American miracle withstand our fighter aviation or are we in feathers to this miracle? Also our air defense in the fight against it. Will it be able to break through the LBS or will it only fire missiles from afar.
    We also have a good development of the SU-27, which was created in response to the F-15. This is the SU-30, SU-35.
    Will the F-15 EX be able to withstand the Su-57? The F-16 has not yet shown itself in any way in the SVO against us.
    How realistic is the SU-35's price tag of $100 million? If you convert that into rubles, it's unbelievable. Or is anything possible under capitalism?
    1. +3
      26 February 2025 06: 00
      Quote: V.
      Will he be able to break through the LBS or will he only fire missiles from afar?
      Even the vaunted fifth generation machines can't do this wink
    2. 0
      26 February 2025 10: 47
      By the way, I've scoured the Internet, a few years ago both the SU-35 and SU-57 cost around 30-35 million dollars, where did the figure of one hundred million dollars come from now? Is it because of inflation? But these are strategic enterprises, everything is their own, not foreign cars, really. recourse
    3. +7
      26 February 2025 17: 25
      The Israeli Air Force, consisting of F-15 and F-35, destroyed the Iranian air defense system, consisting of S-300 and the Chinese air defense system, which was more advanced, so that the Iranians did not even see who bombed them and with what.
      1. -5
        26 February 2025 23: 54
        Quote: vadim dok
        The Israeli Air Force, consisting of F-15 and F-35, destroyed the Iranian air defense system, consisting of S-300 and the Chinese air defense system, which was more advanced, so that the Iranians did not even see who bombed them and with what.

        And the Iranians conducted this distributed air defense exercise in February 2025.
      2. 0
        23 May 2025 09: 10
        The British were also in ecstasy, the local admiral suggested repeating it again, only more and directly destroying nuclear facilities.
  7. +2
    26 February 2025 05: 54
    8 tons of combat load of F-35 - it is clear from the wiki article. In reality, it is not close. 1.6 Mach max. speed - from there, but in real operation they fly only at subsonic speed. So there is no point in comparing with F-15. 35th is good in other ways - it is poorly visible on radars and it is truly network-centric. It costs 100 million per piece, well, what did you expect, it is American. Rafale is even more expensive. Production of 35th is already 1100 units, that is 90 squadrons. But there is also bad news - it almost never fights. Although there are places.
    1. +1
      26 February 2025 09: 03
      And where is "where"? While Israel is ironing out the Gaza Strip and Syria and that's it, it seems.
    2. 0
      23 May 2025 09: 26
      Let's wait for a major air operation against Iran, as the Jews did in their time with Iraq and its nuclear project. Or even a major air campaign together with the US against Iran.

      Also the clash between China and the USA in the Asia-Pacific region.

      Plus the F35 has already flown over Ukraine, according to pilots, testing the capabilities of their machine. And numerous strikes on the Houthis, Gaza, Lebanon, Iraq (Iran's proxy).
  8. BAI
    +3
    26 February 2025 06: 08
    Many words, few numbers. Something I didn't see - the target detection range of the F15 locator?
    1. -6
      26 February 2025 07: 11
      Quote: BAI
      Something I didn’t see - what is the target detection range of the F15 locator?
      The usual set of parameters is - at 11 thousand meters, something around 17-18 kilometers...
  9. -21
    26 February 2025 07: 24
    The plane is still closer to generation 3++ than to 4.
    Oh, and the inventor of the Americans for cutting.
    1. -8
      26 February 2025 14: 50
      They have been honing this skill for centuries.
  10. bar
    -11
    26 February 2025 07: 46
    Well, there are actually a few factors that could explain why the F-15EX is so hefty in dollars.

    If you pour out all the water, the answer is simple - you need to steal less.
    1. +3
      26 February 2025 07: 59
      But there is no need to encroach on the sacred
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  11. +2
    26 February 2025 09: 17
    Where is the "high cost" of the F-15EX, especially considering that an hour of F-35 flight costs about 45 thousand dollars, which is much more expensive than F-15 fighters (29 thousand). In addition, the maintenance of the aircraft during operation will cost a very decent amount, plus training of pilots.


    Flight hour includes all costs.
  12. -7
    26 February 2025 09: 21
    The F-15EX Eagle II is equipped with the latest technologies, including advanced avionics, radar systems and electronic warfare systems.
    All this in itself is worth nothing. The problem is that the companies that develop it now want to receive colossal profits for their products. Capitalism...
  13. +5
    26 February 2025 10: 51
    Why is the F-15EX so expensive?
    The F-15EX has a hefty price tag of around $90 million per unit, making it more expensive than the F-35A!

    It's not the F-15EX that's expensive, but the F-35A that's cheap. Modern aircraft with modern electronics like the Rafale or Eurofighter are much more expensive - about 120 million per unit.
    1. -4
      26 February 2025 11: 47
      Quote from solar
      It's not the F-15EX that's expensive, it's the F-35A that's cheap.

      So the cost of the F-35A was "dropped" during Trump's first term - using administrative methods.
      The F-35 program and its costs are out of control. Billions of dollars must be saved and will be saved on military (and other) purchases after January 20.
      © Don
      And Lockheed saluted:
      We've invested hundreds of millions of dollars since the beginning to reduce the cost of the aircraft by 70%. And we'll contribute $85 million between 2019 and 2020.
      © Lockheed Martin's F-35 program manager Jeff Babillon
      1. +4
        26 February 2025 11: 55
        The cost of the F-35 has been and continues to be falling as production volumes increase, which is entirely natural.
        But in this case it is important that the author compares the F-15 with an inexpensive, in general, against the background of other modern models, aircraft. The price of a modern aircraft strongly depends on the cost of the electronics that are built into it. And the price of the F-15, given the level of electronics that are built into it, is not expensive at all. The Americans plan to use F-35 + F-15 combinations (in the navy - F-35 + F-18).
  14. -5
    26 February 2025 11: 11
    I wouldn't call the F-35 a beauty, its only advantage is its stealth, but if it is spotted, it won't escape its missile - the article is interesting, informative, but the author repeatedly repeats information that has already been said - author, brevity is the soul of talent.
  15. +2
    26 February 2025 11: 21
    What can I say, the plane really turned out to be very successful, in some ways even ahead of its time. It will be in service for a long time, as it is a real workhorse and not a pretty toy.
  16. +3
    26 February 2025 12: 08
    Why is it more expensive, why is it more expensive - BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO ENGINES!
    This is with approximately similar avionics.
  17. + 10
    26 February 2025 13: 02
    Finally, the neural network Roman Scoromohoff learned about the existence of the F-15, I wonder if the neural network now admits that its previous articles about the planes were nonsense, in which it did not know about the existence of the F-15 and the corresponding conclusions were, to put it mildly, erroneous?
    1. +5
      26 February 2025 13: 41
      Quote from: mad-max78
      It's interesting that the neural network now admits that its previous articles about airplanes were nonsense

      This is not in the settings...
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  18. +6
    26 February 2025 14: 49
    For such a number of repetitions of the same thing in the article, it can be shortened by 2/3. It would be better if the author added more pictures. You read and do not understand, has the author already forgotten what he wrote or is he paid for the number of characters?
  19. +4
    26 February 2025 17: 12
    It is strange that the author did not compare the F-15EX with the ideologically closest Su-30 (in all possible versions, including the MKI).
    1. 0
      26 February 2025 21: 39
      Quote: VasilyI
      It is strange that the author did not compare the F-15EX with the ideologically closest Su-30 (in all possible versions, including the MKI).
      An article about which aircraft to add to the US fleet, whether to bet on the F-35 or not to rush into it and buy the proven, modernized F-15.
      What does Su-30 have to do with this?
      1. 0
        April 5 2025 16: 35
        My comment pertains to the section that can be called "market analysis")
        and the procurement alternative is determined by lobbyists from Lockheed or Douglas (crossed out) Boeing
  20. 0
    26 February 2025 19: 17
    Pictures viewed. Very interesting.
  21. +1
    26 February 2025 20: 38
    The F15ex is a good example for the VKS. A single aircraft for both air defense and strike missions.
  22. +2
    26 February 2025 21: 52
    Su-30MKI for India about 80 million dollars.
    Su-35S for China 104 million dollars.
    Rafale over 100 million dollars.
  23. 0
    27 February 2025 00: 50
    They are made by different companies. One is Boeing, the other is Lockheed. You can't give the entire budget to one company, well!)
  24. +1
    27 February 2025 02: 03
    The article incorrectly compares the prices of the planes. The F35 is a smaller plane with one engine and an expensive coating.
    And the F15 is a larger aircraft with two engines.
    If the F35 had two engines and was larger, it would cost not 100, but 150 million, or even more.
    That is, when brought to a common denominator, the F35 is sold at inflated prices even taking into account the fact that its mass production allowed the initial price to be significantly reduced.
    Let others write about the real qualities of these planes, there are a lot of rumors and you can’t understand where the truth is.
    1. 0
      27 February 2025 15: 36
      Then we can enter the cost of 1 kg of the plane laughing
  25. -2
    27 February 2025 05: 34
    My IMHO: combat manned aviation will soon sink into oblivion. Super expensive and not very effective.
    1. +1
      27 February 2025 14: 05
      Like guns, tanks and people.
  26. +2
    27 February 2025 12: 01
    IMHO, when you read articles like this, and there are quite a few of them, you get the impression that you are being deliberately fooled.
    F15 - fighter. Modern latest modifications. 2 engines, external suspension, speed.
    F35 is a bomber fighter, i.e. a bomber that can fight off fighters on its own.
    In short, smaller, one engine, internal and external suspension.
    Moreover, he carries almost the same amount of weapons.
    A tank on the ground, as they wrote here once, can be seen from 40 km away.
    How far away can the F15 tank see?

    That is, aircraft for different tasks, obviously.
    F35 - flew up secretly, hit, flew away.
    F15 - Masso got involved in the fight.

    And then the authors, who may never have even come close, start scolding him for... not being able to destroy...
  27. kpd
    +2
    27 February 2025 12: 09
    Expensive?
    In 1998, the cost of an F-15 was around $30 million, which was roughly equivalent to 3 tons of gold.
    Now the cost is around 100 million dollars, which is approximately 1,6 tons of gold.
    So the cost in terms of gold has decreased almost by half.
  28. +3
    27 February 2025 12: 13
    F35 is simply the new 16th generation F5.
  29. 0
    27 February 2025 14: 04
    The argument that it is expensive is ridiculous for those who print money. And if you look at the price of the Rafale and Eurofighter, it becomes even funnier.
  30. 0
    27 February 2025 17: 07
    And why did they all swallow the combat load of 13 tons? Oh yeah, the Unified State Exam, I forgot something. Where will he take it?? Is this your Tu-22M3 or something?? A 500 caliber bomb is about 500 kg, the OV plus or minus MK go, and the wing load, and the suspension points, and the restrictions on the suspension points?? An article about the Wonder Waffle...
  31. 0
    27 February 2025 17: 14
    It’s a paradox, but the F-15EX carries almost one and a half times more weapons than the F-35A, and twice as many as the F-35B.
    No, there is no paradox. The F-35 is simply a facelifted, electronically-packed analogue of the single-engine F-16. And the F-15 is twin-engine with good thrust-to-weight ratio. Even look at the dimensions of the airframes, it (the F-15) is closer to the Su-27 family. Accordingly, the available load is different and the fuel volumes are different. The F-16, Grippen, and F-35 without external fuel tanks are short-range aircraft, while the F-15, like the Su-27, is long-range.
  32. 0
    27 February 2025 20: 52
    What wars did the F-15 participate in? Was it used against the Papuans, for example?
    1. +1
      16 May 2025 11: 05
      Yes, in a bunch: 1979-86 Israel vs. Lebanon and Syria against Soviet aircraft MiG-21MF, MiG-21bis, MiG-23MS, MiG-23MF. 56 confirmed victories with 1 loss. 1990 - Desert Storm (and 2003) 26 victories (8 MiG-23, 8 Mirage F.1, 5 MiG-29, 5 Su-22) - 0 losses. 1999 Yugoslavia vs. MiG-29: score 4:0. Well, and so on in small conflicts they threshed a couple dozen Soviet, French and old American (Phantoms) aircraft.
  33. 0
    28 February 2025 10: 45
    If we take our Su35S and modernize it with systems (turbojet engine and avionics) from the Su 57, make a double cabin, and finally produce a targeting pod, then such an aircraft will also puzzle everyone.
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  35. -2
    1 March 2025 22: 06
    The F-15EX combines the capabilities of two of our serially produced aircraft, the Su-35SM and Su-34M.

    It would be a good idea to modify the Su-30SM to make it equal in combat characteristics to the F-15EX and begin production of the Su-30SM3 at two aircraft factories in Irkutsk and Novosibirsk.
  36. 0
    26 May 2025 19: 02
    Quote: Okko777
    What are you arguing about? Have you listened to too many advertisements and amateur reviews? These are different aircraft and they have different tasks. One provides covert target designation and reconnaissance, and the second acts as a flying battery and uses this target designation ... The F-35 is not a universal aircraft and is not needed in such quantities and only for the USA. It has several special missions. The F-15EX is a multifunctional universal aircraft that performs many tasks. Many such aircraft are needed. At the same time, the F-35 may poorly perform all the tasks for the F-15EX, but the latter cannot perform the main tasks for the F-35. Roma did not write anything in the huge article that needed to be written and repeated hackneyed phrases more than once. Why such creativity?

    Apparently, Kirill Ryabov's laurels (fees) do not give him peace?
  37. 0
    25 June 2025 21: 27
    and is writing the same phrases 5 times a whim of the author, or are we suspected of stupidity?
  38. 0
    24 November 2025 21: 46
    Just as I understand it, they compared the prices on the domestic market for the American and the foreign Su-35S?