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Ka-52 helicopter is able to withstand the attack of a whole army

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In the south of Russia, Ka-52 helicopters took over duty. The unique combat vehicle is able to perform tasks in all weather conditions and hit targets at a distance of 10 kilometers. According to experts, only a dozen of such helicopters are able to withstand the attack of an entire army.


The newest helicopter of the Russian Air Force is being mastered in the skies over the Krasnodar Territory - twelve Ka-52 helicopters took over combat duty.

This is a unique combat vehicle. It is able to perform aerobatics of any complexity, to hang in one place for a long time, to execute firing rockets, moving not only forward, but left or right.

The helicopter can be viewed closely, but you cannot look into the cockpit, there is a secret equipment. Outside there is a 30-millimeter cannon, the same installed on the BTR and the landing vehicles of the latest generation. Here, the suspension for missiles and most importantly - a system for early detection of targets.

- Geostabilized optoelectronic station.

- It is with its help that targets can be detected at a great distance?

- Yes, there is a thermal imaging camera, a laser range finder.

The tank or bunker Ka-52 will destroy at a distance of up to eight kilometers when the enemy does not see him yet. Dmitry Rysyev, who performed combat missions in the North Caucasus and South Ossetia, was impressed with the characteristics of the new technology. Two pilots work in the cockpit: one is in charge of the armament, the other controls the machine. And sit side by side.

“You can even communicate with gestures. You don’t need to speak, you don’t need many words. And you can see the review - the cabin is very spacious. This review helps when landing on a limited size platform,” said Dmitry Rysyev, the Ka-52 helicopter commander.


This is the only “shock” helicopter in the world, built according to a special system - it does not have an additional screw on the tail, but there are two main ones at once. This made it possible to achieve unprecedented opportunities.

"The flight does not depend on the direction of the wind. This scheme helps to use the helicopter more efficiently in the highlands, in high temperature, high humidity conditions. This is his element," says Yevgeny Sukhodolsky, the commander of the Ka-52 helicopter squadron.

In the air force in the south of Russia in March 2013, the most large-scale rearmament in recent decades takes place. In the Krasnodar Territory near Korenovsk expand the airbase - it will become several times larger, will use the latest technology. In the aviation regiment, the Night Hunter Mi-28 has already been mastered and now they have received a whole squadron of Ka-52, which is also called the Alligators.

- Questions on the implementation of the flight mission?

- No questions.

- If there are no questions, happy flight. Get separated.

This helicopter is compact and incredibly maneuverable. In addition, in Russia only Ka-52 is equipped with a bailout system. The battle is able to lead even at night. Ten minutes after receiving the order, the entire compound is ready to fly to the combat mission. One attack of such a group can stop the advance of an entire army.
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  1. smel
    smel 27 March 2013 12: 07 New
    16
    You can only wish good luck to the pilots and thank the designers. Although the hyperbole here just sticks out of the article
    1. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 27 March 2013 12: 19 New
      13
      It was not technology that always caused concern, but the interconnection between the arms of the forces, coordination ...
      1. KuigoroZHIK
        KuigoroZHIK 27 March 2013 12: 32 New
        +7
        Now the main thing is to train the flyers! So that they are with an alligator on YOU.
        The next step is updating helicopter weapons. It’s been long overdue.
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 27 March 2013 13: 07 New
          0
          that's for sure.
          like now there is a problem with weapons, as it is also called "shot-forgot." Those. you need to keep your target in sight for a while. it seems that the complex was being developed, but recently something has not been heard. maybe missed. correct who is in the know!
        2. VAF
          VAF 27 March 2013 14: 23 New
          10
          Quote: Kuygorozhik
          renewal of helicopter weapons. It’s been long overdue.



          +++++++++! soldier

          And only after that it will be possible to talk about ... some kind of superiority there and some kind of .. opportunities!

          1. Rustam
            Rustam 27 March 2013 14: 30 New
            +5
            Hello my friend wink here you are alone against the army like Duncan McLaut! Our paintings do not need them to write books
            1. Letun
              Letun 27 March 2013 14: 45 New
              +3
              Quote: Rustam
              One against the army like Duncan MacLaut! Our paintings do not need them to write books

              Yeah, neighing too after this phrase laughing And it turns out he can fly sideways and backwards, and even (scary to think!) Freeze in one place! No other helicopter can, but this one could! lol
              1. ia-ai00
                ia-ai00 27 March 2013 20: 42 New
                -1
                Well, of course, the fact that one helicopter, even such a very good one, to oppose the WHOLE army is probably out of the realm of fantasy, but the fact that the military arsenals are being improved and the Russian MINDS are working on it is good!
          2. Tersky
            Tersky 27 March 2013 20: 59 New
            +4
            Quote: vaf
            And only after that it will be possible to talk about ... some kind of superiority there and some kind of .. opportunities!

            Sergey, hi ! Land do not despair! article author in description
            According to experts, only a dozen such helicopters are able to withstand the attack of an entire army belay
            helicopter capabilities made it clear that having bought a couple more dozen Ka 52 wink and for all the armies of a potential enemy you can hammer a bolt soldier
      2. Dima67
        Dima67 27 March 2013 14: 02 New
        +2
        ShturmKGB
        It was not technology that always caused concern, but the interconnection between the arms of the forces, coordination ...
        An acquaintance of the special forces who came to Ossetia didn’t put it decently on this occasion .. Let us drive tanks and fly planes with missiles. This is good for the current! And the more delicious the troops, the calmer the soul.
    2. MY THOUGHT
      MY THOUGHT 27 March 2013 13: 01 New
      17
      DOZEN KA-52 IS ABLE TO TAKE THE WHOLE COUNTRY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Vytikan, Togon, Jamaica, Dominican Republic .... fellow )
    3. Rustam
      Rustam 27 March 2013 14: 27 New
      +5
      Just no comment)))) as about a cartoon about an imp Love yourself sneeze at all and success awaits you in life

      If only they would be shy! A whole army, probably with spears and bows
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 27 March 2013 19: 24 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustam
        If only they would be shy! A whole army, probably with spears and bows


        Armies are different .. "blue" and "rainbow"
  2. Armata
    Armata 27 March 2013 12: 09 New
    38
    Well yes. The news is good, the car is great. But to say that KA52 can withstand an entire army without support is the same as saying that the 1 eagle will blow AUG. Or that our T90MS can withstand tank formation with infantry support. In short, again, an article about how we are cool, and we are surrounded by suckers.
    1. evgenii67
      evgenii67 27 March 2013 12: 26 New
      +7
      From what
      Quote: Mechanic
      But it’s argued that KA52 can withstand an entire army
      if it’s the army of Mongolia, for example (mainly on horseback) or, under the word army, the author issues an accumulation of armored vehicles and infantry without air defense equipment. The car is really good, but the volumes for replacing the old equipment are impressive (preferably 1 to 1)
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 27 March 2013 12: 38 New
        44
        Quote: evgenii67
        if it’s the army of Mongolia, for example (on horseback

        Zhenya +

        And what is quite, but better on donkeys

        Donkey in the army is not bad at all (there are less problems with it than with a helicopter. Donkey navigation system does not fail.)
        1. Donkey drags 120 kg. (in the plain 160)
        2. Sleeping near a donkey is warm. (As near the stove)
        3. The donkey is smart - if you climb onto the wounded, it will take you to the house, or to people.
        4. Thanks to the donkey, you can climb where only climbers go.
        5. Donkey can be eaten.
        6. Donkey provides greater stealth movement than a helicopter.

        Only close mental abilities of donkeys and generals interfere with their joint service in the same army. (The rank-and-file composition has the opportunity to visually compare their abilities and usefulness, and the generals are envious)
        1. silver_roman
          silver_roman 27 March 2013 13: 35 New
          10
          oh neighing for fame good

          and at the expense of mental abilities, it’s closer to the ex-minister of defense. although there are all sorts of generals!
        2. Corporal
          Corporal 27 March 2013 14: 37 New
          +2
          What nonsense, I didn’t eat generals, but the rest of the points also never look like generals.
        3. fzr1000
          fzr1000 27 March 2013 14: 38 New
          +5
          The donkey also has good sense of smell and hearing. May warn of danger. It remains to teach him hand-to-hand combat techniques and we are invincible.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 12: 32 New
      +9
      Quote: Mechanic
      But to say that KA52 can withstand an entire army without support is the same as saying that 1 eagle will blow AUG

      Zhenya is propaganda! inept, naive, but propaganda.
      1. Armata
        Armata 27 March 2013 12: 48 New
        37
        Hi namesake, Sanya is healthy. I can tell you normal news. From Thursday to yesterday, he stuck out at the UVZ training ground from 5-30 to 00 hours. In short, they fired armature with boobies. So, from more than 300 shots to the rebound, 3 / 4 left due to beyond the limits. Only side skirts and additional protection at the stern were cut off. With a direct hit on board without protection, they shot the lower hatch of the evacuation crew and did not hold the locks of the rear hatches. In short, the commission put an assessment of 3 ++. Right now they will modify all the jambs that climbed out and finish.
        1. PLO
          PLO 27 March 2013 12: 52 New
          +6
          welcome
          what a news)
          But by armature do you mean a tank with a tower / module or just a cart?
          1. Armata
            Armata 27 March 2013 12: 56 New
            +8
            Quote: olp
            But by armature do you mean a tank with a tower / module or just a cart?
            So far, only a platform
            1. PLO
              PLO 27 March 2013 12: 59 New
              +2
              So far, only a platform

              also very good
              especially surprised by the rating "3 ++" with this result
              high standards are felt
        2. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 10 New
          10
          3 / 4 to rebound and 3 ++ ??? And how many point system score? If 5-tee, then it is felt, you will get a platform called "you will pierce the horseradish." What can not but rejoice! good
          1. Armata
            Armata 27 March 2013 13: 47 New
            12
            3 / 4 to rebound and 3 ++ ??? And how many point system score? If 5-tee, then it is felt, you will get a platform called "you will pierce the horseradish." What can not but rejoice! Well, if you consider that only 2 has an abrash, then I think that with improvements this will be brought to 4.
            1. Wedmak
              Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 51 New
              +3
              Intrigued thoroughly ... good What kind of corners are there ...
              With a tank tower, hopefully moving too?
              1. Armata
                Armata 27 March 2013 14: 01 New
                +4
                Quote: Wedmak
                With a tank tower, hopefully moving too?
                I don’t know this. They say that in the summer they will put them to the test. But infa about the results of vryat will reach us. We only work under the platform.
            2. Dima67
              Dima67 27 March 2013 14: 20 New
              +3
              Well, as Karabas said, It's just some kind of holiday !!!
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman 27 March 2013 13: 38 New
          +2
          at least some news. special thanks.
          faster to see this beauty. straight into impatience!
        4. evgenii67
          evgenii67 27 March 2013 13: 46 New
          +2
          Thanks Eugene for Old !!!! I hope this information is not secret and there will be nothing for you to disclose hi Will the tower not be inhabited? Can I have some kind of platform picture repeat
          1. Armata
            Armata 27 March 2013 13: 51 New
            +8
            Quote: silver_roman
            some news. special thanks.
            faster to see this beauty. straight into impatience!

            Quote: evgenii67
            Thanks Eugene for Old !!!! I hope this information is not secret and nothing will be disclosed to you. And will the tower not be inhabited? Can I have some kind of platform picture
            Infa is not a secret. But the picture is not yet possible. Vulture secretly removed only after the presentation of the platform and then not all.
            1. silver_roman
              silver_roman 27 March 2013 13: 55 New
              +3
              and you can disclose the dates? presentation dates ?? and then the media constantly feed it is not clear what, but here a reliable source worth its weight in gold! drinks
            2. evgenii67
              evgenii67 27 March 2013 13: 58 New
              +3
              Quote: Mechanic
              Infa is not a secret. But the picture is not yet possible. Vulture secretly removed only after the presentation of the platform and then not all.

              Oh please crying (just kidding)
              1. Armata
                Armata 27 March 2013 14: 05 New
                10
                Quote: silver_roman
                and you can disclose the dates? presentation dates ?? and then the media constantly feed it is not clear what, but here a reliable source worth its weight in gold!
                But we ourselves do not know them. As ordered from above. There are no complaints to our part of the project yet, but in light of the new CGs, it’s obvious that something will have to be changed + by the terms of coordination, the shake-up with allies, the preparation of changes to those. documentation. Well, in short there will be a lot of red tape.
                Quote: evgenii67
                Oh please
                good neaaa while nizya. otherwise it will be my last post of years of commercials on 5. laughing
                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 27 March 2013 14: 18 New
                  +4
                  clear. thanks anyway. We will wait for new news from you. soldier
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 27 March 2013 14: 26 New
                    +7
                    Quote: silver_roman
                    clear. thanks anyway. We will wait for new news from you
                    Tomorrow I’ll go there again from the very same place for debriefing. Well, most likely I can unsubscribe either on Friday, or on Saturday about the results.
                2. Tersky
                  Tersky 27 March 2013 20: 26 New
                  +5
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  otherwise it will be my last post for 5 years.

                  Don’t worry, we guys will give you the Medvedevsky iPhone through the guard laughing laughing
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 27 March 2013 20: 45 New
                    +1
                    Quote: Tersky
                    Don’t worry, we guys will give you the Medvedevsky iPhone through the guard
                    Hi, Victor. Well, I knew that you were all good laughing What about the girls? I absolutely love their company. Especially the wives.
                    1. Tersky
                      Tersky 27 March 2013 21: 11 New
                      +7
                      Quote: Mechanic
                      What about the girls? I absolutely love their company

                      Zhenya, all I can ......
                      repeat , here is a smaller scale ......
                      1. Armata
                        Armata 27 March 2013 21: 17 New
                        +4
                        Quote: Tersky

                        Zhenya, all I can ..
                        Vit right you yearned.
        5. evil hamster
          evil hamster 27 March 2013 14: 48 New
          +7
          Quote: Mechanic
          So, more than 300 shots in the rebound took 3/4 from beyond the limits
          What exactly was fired at? 75% of ricochets is too dofig considering that kums do not ricochet at all, and modern BPS practically do not ricochet. And the presence of dynamic protection does not contribute to ricochets. If at least half of the shots fell on the frontal part (which is generally logical for testing the platform under MBT), then this is about 50 hits per 1 m ^ 2 or about a hole at 2 dm ^ 2 (this I adjusted to the 3 m ^ 2 projection ) But this, on average, in some places the density should be much higher. After such a case should turn into a macho. Here is a famous picture of the T2010A fired at in 90

          And this zamntte only about 20 shots on the entire tank.
          300 shots - why the heck so much?
          1. fzr1000
            fzr1000 27 March 2013 14: 56 New
            +1
            They wrote the same above-shots fired.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 27 March 2013 15: 13 New
              +1
              BOPS - heard, CBS - heard, POP - did not hear.
              1. Armata
                Armata 27 March 2013 15: 35 New
                +3
                Quote: evil hamster
                BOPS - heard, CBS - heard, POP - did not hear.
                During the tests, shelling with metal blunt-pointed shells with an 2 charge is underway. They are called in the factory and disc.
                1. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 27 March 2013 20: 44 New
                  0
                  Caliber?
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 27 March 2013 21: 10 New
                  +2
                  And what is the practical sense in this kind of shelling? I will explain my question:

                  For example, let’s say about. 187 we want to test the upper slope of the VLD passing into the roof of the control compartment (where the hatch is mech water). We take a special test shell and fire. and find out, for example, that you can fearlessly increase the angle, this will give us weight savings and increase visibility. Then we take something adequate to modern threats such as Lead-2 or lead and voila, we get a beating with a whistle in this place. And then what was the point of shelling with the wrong shells from which the armored structure should protect?
                  P.S.
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 27 March 2013 21: 21 New
                    0
                    The question went away by itself
          2. Armata
            Armata 27 March 2013 15: 20 New
            +4
            Quote: evil hamster
            300 shots - why the heck so much?
            4 days were shot. That is, they looked at what angle the hit went from, counted from what angles the next shot will be, and at least 5 shots are made at each critical point. This is the first real test. Later (when the 2 and 3 model of the platform appear) they will fire with live shells, also from different angles. So far, everything is being done only in order to create the optimal platform body.
            1. AK-47
              AK-47 27 March 2013 23: 19 New
              0
              Quote: Mechanic
              ... at what angle did the hit go ... from what angles will the next shot be and for each .... no less than 5 shots are being made Later ... fire shells, ... from different angles. .... in order to create an optimal platform body.

              I was surprised that the hull was created by an experimental method, for a hundred years of using tanks, the theoretical foundations of their design, including penetration of armor, were developed. I agree that such tests are necessary when developing new methods of fighting tanks, but by no means ...
              1. Armata
                Armata 29 March 2013 20: 48 New
                0
                Quote: AK-47
                Quote: Mechanic
                ... at what angle did the hit go ... from what angles will the next shot be and for each .... no less than 5 shots are being made Later ... fire shells, ... from different angles. .... in order to create an optimal platform body.

                I was surprised that the hull was created by an experimental method, for a hundred years of using tanks, the theoretical foundations of their design, including penetration of armor, were developed. I agree that such tests are necessary when developing new methods of fighting tanks, but by no means ...
                That is, let's take the case that will crack at the first hit? The theory is good, but real results only come from practice.
                1. AK-47
                  AK-47 30 March 2013 11: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  That is, let's take ...

                  Designing and testing different things, trial and error, has long been indispensable.
                  Your message is about "creating the optimal body", and not testing it for armor penetration. The armor and tilt angles for each anti-tank weapon, as I understand it, are tested at the stage of it, armor, development. You probably mean the connections of the armored “sheets” and the reliability of the functional elements of the hull, technologies that have been developed by many generations of tank builders. From your brief report, it is obvious that UVZ does not use the accumulated experience of its predecessors. Is the cost of tanks so high?
                  I have the impression that another bicycle is being invented at UVZ.
          3. evgenii67
            evgenii67 27 March 2013 17: 16 New
            +3
            And the armor in the photo does not inspire confidence. The thickness of the armor is straight, well, generally sad. The holes are serious, and the driver’s legs are nearby crying
            1. Armata
              Armata 27 March 2013 20: 13 New
              +4
              Quote: evgenii67
              and there are the driver’s legs nearby
              They are shot empty laughing
              1. bask
                bask 27 March 2013 20: 19 New
                +3
                Quote: Mechanic
                They are shot empty

                Good evening, Eugene .. And why do tilt angles and kinetic ammunition? For tests ,, Armata ,,
                In modern asymmetric warfare, more threats from cumulative ATGMs.
                Especially attacking from above. As a defense against these funds.
                1. bask
                  bask 27 March 2013 20: 35 New
                  +2
                  For example, Amer’s ATGM, Javelin ,,,
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 27 March 2013 20: 48 New
                    +1
                    This is by the way fake.
                2. Armata
                  Armata 27 March 2013 20: 48 New
                  +3
                  Quote: bask
                  In modern asymmetric warfare, more threats from cumulative ATGMs.
                  Especially attacking from above. As a defense against these funds.
                  hello dear. This is an old school. Before under anti-tank and military launch, they will first be shot by boobies. The funny thing is that the armor did not crack. After kinetics, the T90 was sent for revision several times because of cracks in the case.
                  1. evil hamster
                    evil hamster 27 March 2013 21: 14 New
                    +1
                    And that is, this is not a test for armor, but for the integrity of the hull under the influence of dynamic loads from hits?
                    1. Armata
                      Armata 27 March 2013 21: 20 New
                      +2
                      Quote: evil hamster
                      And that is, this is not a test for armor, but for the integrity of the hull under the influence of dynamic loads from hits?
                      Yes exactly. They will torment them later when the 2 and 3 prototype appear. That is why they began to throw claims about the rear hatches and side corners.
                  2. bask
                    bask 27 March 2013 21: 34 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Mechanic
                    vanami. The funny thing is that the armor did not crack. After the kinetics, the T90 was sent several times for refinement due to cracks in the case.

                    It’s already excellent that they have mastered new technologies in the production of armor .. On the armored corps already stands ,, combat ,,, multi-layer combined armor. On the whole body and bottom ,, platform.
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    And that is, this is not a test for armor, but for the integrity of the hull under the influence of dynamic loads from hits?

                    This was said.
              2. evgenii67
                evgenii67 27 March 2013 20: 35 New
                +1
                Quote: Mechanic
                They are shot empty

                Eugene, yes it’s all clear, but in a real battle, everyone’s kirdyk, by the way, is this really a T-90 fired upon? And still solve one question, I saw and heard a lot of articles, conversations about allegedly meter (or about a meter) armor, both on our and on Western tanks, but here I look at the hole in the photo, so there will not be 5-7 cm, or maybe the meter armor is 7 cm armor under a certain angle equivalent to resistance in meter ordinary steel. Thanks in advance!
                1. Wedmak
                  Wedmak 27 March 2013 20: 41 New
                  +1
                  but here I look at the hole in the photo, so there will not be 5-7 cm, or maybe meter armor is armor of centimeters in 7 at a certain angle that has the equivalent resistance in a meter of ordinary steel. Thanks in advance!

                  Usually a comparison is made with the thickness of a homogeneous (i.e., no layers, DZ and other) armor at a certain angle. This allows you to compare different types of armor for this equivalent. No other way...
                  1. bask
                    bask 27 March 2013 20: 58 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Wedmak

                    Usually a comparison is made with the thickness of a homogeneous (i.e., no layers, DZ and other) armor at a certain angle.

                    In my opinion, these parameters are outdated in terms of armor penetration. It is necessary to calculate what pressure this brand of steel-armor can withstand per square cm. .
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 27 March 2013 21: 20 New
                      +1
                      It's pointless. based on a modern understanding of the processes occurring when a kum jet is beaten up, the jet and the obstacle interact as 2 liquids and the penetration depth depends on the densities of both. That is, in theory, a lead plate from kuma protects better than some heat-treated steel with a tensile strength of 2000 MPa.
                      1. bask
                        bask 27 March 2013 22: 15 New
                        0
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        It protects better than any heat-treated steel with a tensile strength of 2000 MPa.

                        Naturally, the density of lead molecules is greater than And the molecule is less. In amers, on urashka, uranium armor is worth it
                      2. bask
                        bask 27 March 2013 22: 40 New
                        0
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        h modern understanding of the processes occurring during

                        Mathematically theory, cumulative jet. No one has yet to describe the emergence and impact on various obstacles, has calculated, these are just theories.
                        All armor protection is selected only experimentally. Based on material science.
                        The more layers of different density of materials in the package of multilayer armor. The higher its resistance to cumulative ammunition.
                    2. Wedmak
                      Wedmak 27 March 2013 21: 20 New
                      +2
                      These are not parameters, this is the equivalent of armor thickness. Is it necessary to build on something ?. How to compare armor with a layer of depleted uranium and ceramics, with almost the same sandwich, but with DZ and without uranium? Need a reference point, a single measure. And then you write about writing in tables - this will break through, this maybe, but this nifiga ...
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 27 March 2013 20: 55 New
                  +1
                  VLD T90 is somewhere 230-250 mm of combined armor at an angle of 68 degrees + contact 5.
                  Note the inlet on the left cheekbone of the tower next to the guy’s stove. Here, along the trajectory of the parallel axis of the gun, there will be somewhere 900-940 mm of armor.
                3. Armata
                  Armata 27 March 2013 20: 57 New
                  +1
                  Quote: evgenii67
                  Eugene, yes it’s all clear, but in a real battle,
                  The namesake in a real battle, he will not fall under such fire. I repeat once again. These are just maximum endurance tests.
            2. evil hamster
              evil hamster 27 March 2013 20: 47 New
              +1
              There is generally a combined barrier, and it is clear that the external steel sheet IMHO 70 mm is punched, but in general it is not punched. What makes you sad.
        6. Tersky
          Tersky 27 March 2013 20: 20 New
          +5
          Quote: Mechanic
          . From Thursday to yesterday, he stuck at the UVZ training ground from 5-30 to 00 hours.

          Zhenya, hello missing! Thanks for the good news. good drinks , with a creak, writhing, cursing but we are doing it. We consulted a bit here and decided to send you from the site on an indefinite "vacation" for the sake of such a thing, with that being served at the UVZ training ground laughing ! And the ending will report "essay" on the topic "How I spent a" vacation "" lol
          1. Armata
            Armata 27 March 2013 20: 50 New
            +3
            Quote: Tersky
            for the sake of such a thing, send you from the site on an indefinite "vacation", with serving it at the UVZ training ground! And the ending will report "essay" on the topic "How I spent a" vacation "
            I knew that you were all good. laughing
      2. VAF
        VAF 27 March 2013 13: 41 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        inept, naive, but propaganda.


        Sasha. This is not propaganda, but STUPIDness, bordering on .. MEDIUM!

        So in the year 41 ... we started ...... we will crush them with one 1st Budenny army wassat

        Is it with such weapons ???? crying

        1. Avenger711
          Avenger711 27 March 2013 18: 24 New
          0
          Another Ystorik with a saber on tanks ...
        2. Ascetic
          Ascetic 27 March 2013 19: 29 New
          +7
          Quote: vaf
          So in the year 41 ... we started ...... we will crush them with one 1st Budenny army

          No-ee .. This is not in Russian, first you need to get into a turnip and more than once .. and only then save yourself who can angry
      3. silver_roman
        silver_roman 27 March 2013 14: 01 New
        +3
        I agree to the account of propaganda.
        But thanks to such propaganda, the same Abrams tankers feel completely protected. I mean, such an approach sometimes does the job. you believe in your invulnerability, that means you can’t put it in your pants already, then you’ll attack more actively and confidently. another question is that later it will be too late when the entire platoon is smashed to pieces.
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 27 March 2013 12: 36 New
      15
      Quote: Mechanic
      KA52 can withstand an entire army



      What is he really capable of?

      reach speeds of up to 310 kilometers per hour,
      practical range is 520 kilometers.
      can carry 12 Vikhr supersonic anti-tank guided missiles, automatically aiming at the target with a laser beam, unified containers with machine gun and cannon weapons, 80 80 mm unguided missiles of the 30 mm caliber, and air-to-air missiles. The helicopter is equipped with a 2 mm 42A500 cannon with ammunition of 2.000 shells. The combat load - 4 kg at 25 nodes of the missile and bomb suspension can also be used on other helicopters of the Russian Army Aviation and attack aircraft Su-XNUMXSM.
      The machine has a powerful radar complex "Crossbow", high survivability and an active defense system against portable anti-aircraft missile systems. The helicopter is designed to perform combat missions in difficult weather conditions day and night.
      maximum flight altitude - 5,5 kilometers,
      lifting speed - 10 meters per second.
      Passed tests in marine conditions.
      1. VAF
        VAF 27 March 2013 13: 45 New
        +8
        Quote: Vadivak
        can carry 12 Whirlwind supersonic anti-tank guided missiles on board


        Hello, hello! Forget about it .. only the Attack and then .. "tied" by the beam, and there is a failure of the capture in 75% of starts from smoke ... but about this .. tsss .. lower bully
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 27 March 2013 14: 12 New
          +3
          Quote: vaf
          Adim, hello! Forget about it .. only Attack and then .. "tied" by the beam,


          Sergei bow, I remember the owl was very interested in him, about 20 years ago, the truth is Ka-50, but you know ....
        2. Heccrbq
          Heccrbq 28 March 2013 23: 24 New
          0
          Aerosol cloud from the clouds and that’s all, the laser aiming for the laser channel was caked
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 27 March 2013 13: 58 New
        +2
        ATGM Whirlwind is a little sad. An old, proven complex, but some hovering in the air increases the likelihood of a helicopter hitting. need to move on
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 27 March 2013 15: 50 New
          0
          Some 2-4 seconds or 1-2 minutes?
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 27 March 2013 17: 53 New
            0
            Well, it really depends on the enemy. sometimes seconds decide. like for a whirlwind about 5-10 seconds. heard somewhere. maybe wrong. about minutes and out of the question!
            1. Lord of the Sith
              Lord of the Sith 27 March 2013 19: 18 New
              0
              Well, now imagine a rugged terrain, and somewhere from behind a hill 4 km from the tanks, the Ka-52 peeps out and for 5-10 seconds directs the ATGM onto the tank.
              Go to the well-known MANPADS or air defense troops and see the reaction time.
              That is, we assume that anti-aircraft defense is already in combat mode and preparation time is not required. count the reaction time. The MANPADS arrow needs to see the helicopter, turn it, aim, then wait for the capture of the target and launch the rocket, and even the rocket sings for a few seconds.
              1. VAF
                VAF 27 March 2013 19: 54 New
                +3
                Quote: Lord of the Sith
                Well, now imagine a rugged terrain, and somewhere from behind a hill 4 km from the tanks, the Ka-52 peeps out and for 5-10 seconds directs the ATGM onto the tank.


                Once again, I explain the attack, which has not yet been launched so far from the Ka-52, but only from the Mi-28th it is carried out only with the direct visibility of the target, plus its mandatory "highlight".
                Something else needs to be explained, or so it is understandable, plus to this on the Mi-28th there will at least be a sub-bus radar, but on the Ka-52? Those. it is necessary to “swell over the relief” in order to make detection and target designation !!!
                Unlike Apache, who sees from behind a hill and starts Helfires not on an inclined path, but on a practically “laid-back” method, the method of start-and-forget is used!
                Questions? hi
                1. cherkas.oe
                  cherkas.oe 27 March 2013 23: 24 New
                  +2
                  Quote: vaf
                  Questions?

                  No questions, one sadness.
    4. zvereok
      zvereok 27 March 2013 13: 00 New
      +1
      If you go into details, do not resist, but stop. And not one but a group.
      1. evgenii67
        evgenii67 27 March 2013 13: 38 New
        +2
        Why not continue
        Quote: zvereok
        If you go into details, do not resist, but stop. And not one but a group.
        a group (but not one) of special forces behind enemy lines, a group (several thousand soldiers and officers), a group (several hundred) armored vehicles, and of course, a group (several tens) of Ka-52
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 27 March 2013 15: 51 New
        +1
        People cling to the title of the article, and in the article itself in the text there is already talking about the squadron - that is, 12 vehicles.
    5. VAF
      VAF 27 March 2013 13: 37 New
      +5
      Quote: Mechanic
      In short, again, an article about how we are cool, and we are surrounded by suckers.


      Hi Zhenya! you are the fattest +! But the article is the fattest MINUS !!! fool

      Rationale: Regardless. that the helicopter is really good, but:

      1. He can not perform any aerobatics!

      2. Only the pilot "is responsible" for everything and for piloting and using weapons, and the navigator is so ... for ballast

      3. This is how they are going to use the “tied” Attack and what would no one else see you at the same time ??? To disperse the demonstrators ???

      4. Well, and most importantly ... against an entire army ... this is generally ... a scribe !!! fool

      And on top of that ... watch the video (you don’t have to listen to the test, it’s clear that the guys were told to say that, well, they’re talking), but look at the end .... how the gun shoots "drop dead" there are no more questions ... about the destruction of an entire army ... the most important thing is a replica .. "let's push it ... everything to the piece of iron, like a technician at Titarenko) .. so he shook ... but everything ... by

      1. Armata
        Armata 27 March 2013 14: 07 New
        +7
        Hello, Sergey. Yes, the name was all clear. An analogue of advertising on a site like "Russia has invented a super weapon, the whole world is in a panic" In short, if only they read it.
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 27 March 2013 18: 33 New
        +2
        2. Only the pilot "is responsible" for everything and for piloting and using weapons, and the navigator is so ... for ballast


        That is, the Ka-50 weapon control system is absolutely operational, and the second pilot is needed primarily for observation, well, as it was historically planned for the command of others. The Ka-50, apparently, was abandoned not because its fire control system is bad, but because helicopters fly with us mainly in small groups, and the group still has at least 1 commander in a two-seater group.
        1. VAF
          VAF 27 March 2013 19: 01 New
          +2
          Quote: Avenger711
          That is, the Ka-50 weapon control system is absolutely operational


          Practically yes, those "discrepancies" and "flaws" will bring. but .... control that is, but armaments are still .. NO!

          Quote: Avenger711
          Well, as historically planned for the command of others.


          That's how the command vehicle was planned, so it had to be left, not .. to "fence" out of it the "super killer of the armies of the likely enemy", which it does not completely match!

          Quote: Avenger711
          From the Ka-50, apparently abandoned


          They turned out from the Shark because ..... well, only MATOM was here and to somehow save the car .. they “attached” a two-seater cabin (that's why the desk. Rather than a tandem), but at the same time “drove” the weight and left at the same time the same engines, but they are trying to .. about it!

          And I forgot ... in 2normal "really attack helicopters (Mi-28, Apache, Tiger) the second pilot (operator) is a crew member performing combat use with guided weapons, and not .. a crew member with a limited view of the right hemisphere!
          The commander of the navigator .... hey look ... on the right we pass ..or .. what is there with us .. on the right wassat
          1. Avenger711
            Avenger711 28 March 2013 02: 15 New
            0
            Location side by side is used whenever possible. About the plant for the 2005th year, I wrote below. You can make a tandem, but why if it is better. An equivalent side view for the weapon operator is not so important, you have to shoot mostly on the course, the weapon is still directed forward, and firing from a gun side to side in flight without a stabilizer for a turret is unless you accidentally get there.

            The armament operator itself is needed only because it is extremely difficult to control a helicopter of a classic design, the pilot is forced to constantly work with his hands and feet. Soosuke doesn’t care, and therefore the task of his pilot in complexity becomes similar to the task of a pilot of an attack aircraft.

            The IMF’s Ka-50/52 problems are not technical (all issues related to combat survivability and control are easily resolved), these are problems of our entire army, which does not know what it needs from a combat helicopter in particular and front-line aviation in general. And the problem of society, which now perceives everything exclusively from the perspective of "just to survive." As a result, they made the car “like everyone else”, at least the Ka-52 can be used within the framework of the techniques developed for the Mi-24, regardless of their adequacy.
  3. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 March 2013 12: 14 New
    +7
    The article, of course, was written from the lips of a girl, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many enthusiastic epithets about a good fighting vehicle. wink
    1. Dima67
      Dima67 27 March 2013 14: 36 New
      +2
      Guys. If KA52 is so bad, suggest yours. And if not, then let's fly on it. But you don’t have to give up. But still bring what is to mind. And do new for fear of enemies !!!
  4. Snegovok
    Snegovok 27 March 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    I hope this news does not mean that there should be 50 of them in the army .. They are very cool ... and they need much less
  5. PLO
    PLO 27 March 2013 12: 18 New
    +7
    Geostabilized optoelectronic station.

    winked scared to imagine what it is
    1. smel
      smel 27 March 2013 12: 21 New
      +7
      Well confused with gyrostabilized. The main thing is to confuse the enemy
  6. duchy
    duchy 27 March 2013 12: 18 New
    +6
    Don’t say it. the car is good. good Lithuanian Army. Estonia, Latvia will definitely be stopped. drinks If by honest, which?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 12: 33 New
      +6
      Quote: duche
      Lithuanian Army. Estonia, Latvia will definitely be stopped.

      Is there an army there?
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 11 New
        +4
        YES! Maaaalenkie .... smile
        1. evgenii67
          evgenii67 27 March 2013 13: 41 New
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Lithuanian Army. Estonia, Latvia will definitely be stopped.

          Is there an army there?

          Quote: Wedmak
          YES! Maaaalenkie ....

          in Russia in Russia this is the name of a soldier (or maybe even a platoon lol )
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 27 March 2013 12: 52 New
      +4
      And not a dozen, but only 1 helicopter.
  7. bord731
    bord731 27 March 2013 12: 20 New
    +4
    The helicopter is beautiful, with excellent performance characteristics! But I think it’s possible to do without such head-breaking article titles (not the first time), I would like to wish adequacy to those who write these articles ... Helicopter +++
  8. Bigriver
    Bigriver 27 March 2013 12: 22 New
    +1
    Nothing niche :))
    For VESTI.ru, with a massive and unprepared audience of naman!
  9. Oshin
    Oshin 27 March 2013 12: 24 New
    +1
    For more would be in the troops!
  10. artemiy
    artemiy 27 March 2013 12: 26 New
    0
    If special box. Vesti.ru girl!?)) Great car! Hook from the right to the merikos in the teeth!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 27 March 2013 12: 35 New
      +2
      Quote: artemiy

      If special box. Vesti.ru girl!?)

      no, according to the news they showed this video, there was a man.
    2. VAF
      VAF 27 March 2013 13: 48 New
      +2
      Quote: artemiy
      Hook from the right to the merikos in the teeth!



      Well, for now .. Apache ... gives us hooks left and right !!!
      1. krokodil25
        krokodil25 27 March 2013 14: 10 New
        0
        Quote: vaf
        Well, for now .. Apache ... gives us hooks left and right !!!


        And here generally Apache.
        1. VAF
          VAF 27 March 2013 14: 34 New
          +8
          Quote: krokodil25
          And here generally Apache.


          Well, it seems that Artemy had a conversation for the Americans, or where?
          Or maybe Apache is not Amerian? Already?
          And isn't he, Apache. squeezed us out of the Indian market?

          That's why Apache. which, along with our Mi-24-m, is the most combat and proven machine in the business !!! soldier

          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2013 14: 37 New
            +8
            Hello, Sergey.
            Huh ... Negro on the external "suspension" - loader? smile What is he doing there?
            1. queen
              queen 27 March 2013 14: 46 New
              +6
              shows the way)))) laughing
          2. Dima67
            Dima67 27 March 2013 15: 03 New
            0
            And what is Apache without flaws and an ideal machine?
          3. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 27 March 2013 16: 06 New
            +7
            The namesake, I am extremely saddened that you always so sadly talk about our technology and so with joy about the American.

            Remember the Iran-Iraq conflict and who on what, whom and how much bruised and which helicopter shot down the aircraft and more than once did it? why is the congress constantly discussing the question of buying or not buying helicopters from Russia for the Afghan conflict? And for some reason, do not look everywhere among themselves fighting with Soviet weapons. And the Americans with the best assault rifle swore heavily in Vietnam, and then in other conflicts. Go into the memoirs of American officers or ordinary soldiers and read what they write about the worst AK assault rifle, and for some reason in Iraq and Afghanistan they all went with them, and snipers with our SVD. Also, I think it will be interesting for you to read memoirs or watch the dock movies of officers of the US armored forces. How and why they burned the best tank in the world Abrams. - Well, if you know English. Check out the Pentagon loss reports.

            Reading your comments, it seems that you flew all the airborne equipment in the world. And you have a good idea of ​​their diseases and benefits. I think it’s not. So you believe in video and photo materials and Western articles and laugh from our articles. Yes, our articles are no different from Western ones. But you laugh at the sleepers and you certainly believe in the western ?!

            It’s fair to say I see you are a normal person in age and you have served experience, you talk about the time as a 14 year old boy who reviewed Rambo.

            Sorry, but I'm a grievancer.
            1. VAF
              VAF 27 March 2013 17: 01 New
              +3
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              that you always talk so sadly about our technology and so joyfully about American


              Hi namesake, why is it sad ... on the contrary ... "I am very happy" when the gun is the most modern weapon on a modern helicopter. Yes, with minimal BK, and even NAR ... all .... why not rejoice then ??? crying

              A Range fellow , and accuracy fellow and generally SUPER! crying Yes, we are now ALL ... and ALL ARMIES wassat



              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              not to buy helicopters from Russia for the Afghan conflict?


              So which and for what purpose? And why should the Amers retrain Afghans on their own. When did they fly all our lives on ours?

              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              And for some reason, do not look everywhere among themselves fighting with Soviet weapons.


              Because it is of high quality, unpretentious and ..was handed out as a GIFT !!!
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              that you flew all the air technology of the world.


              No, of course, but on our .. on many types and a little understanding of the intricacies and advantages of a particular type of aircraft it is not necessary to sit at the helm yourself, you can simply read it. Yes, talk with the pilots. didn’t come to mind?

              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              So you believe in video and photo materials and Western articles and laugh from our articles. Yes, our articles are no different from Western ones. But you laugh at the sleepers and you certainly believe in the western ?!


              I don’t know about Westerners, I’m critical of everything, but I don’t laugh at such an article as ETA .. I have to cry here!

              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              Sorry, but I'm a grievancer.


              Don’t .. grieve .. all life ahead!

              But to give the whole field to the figures ... like ... uryayaya and everything will be fine ... until I intend to. although there were so many of them in extreme times. what ... okay .. let's see!
          4. Lord of the Sith
            Lord of the Sith 27 March 2013 16: 23 New
            +1
            And about squeezing out of the market, that's exactly what squeezing out. The promise of discounts at the expense of the US budget, as at one time the USSR, at the expense of its own, squeezed everywhere Western companies in the Middle East and Africa - we know how it ended. Yes, the promise of the Indian government to push a couple of projects into the US market. but this does not mean at all that the Apache TTX is better than the MiX-24 TTX. And vice versa, if Russia, at the expense of the Russian budget, had promised discounts and services and assistance in promoting a business for Indian businessmen, this also does not mean that the MiX-24 performance characteristics have risen sharply, and the Apache has sharply become ill.

            You see now politics-economics are connected. we don’t know, maybe the Americans promised help in the conflicts possible against China, and Russia didn’t find the right words. But this, again, has never been a TTX competition,

            If I let the prosecutor’s office attack Vasya from the market or scare him or dump money so that he changes his mind, this doesn’t mean that my potato has become much better than before that he bought from others)

            Once again, sorry for the harshness, I always treated your age and opinion with respect. But at times you roll like a common man in the street. ABOUT! our helicopters didn’t take it - it means they’re like, but logically, the Americans are better. Yes, even if ours won the tender = this does not mean that ours is better or worse. Stupidly politics.
            1. VAF
              VAF 27 March 2013 17: 07 New
              +3
              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              That TTX Apache better than TTX Mi-24


              not just better, but certainly better !!! Unfortunately!

              and about avionics at Apache and on our 28th and 52nd today ... so Milevtsy and Kamovtsy themselves admit it or do you write them the same in kindergarten?

              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              we don’t know, maybe the Americans promised help in the conflicts possible against China, and Russia didn’t find the right words. But this, again, has never been a TTX competition


              Unfortunately I KNOW how "things" were at that time with avionics and armament on the Mi-28-m .. firsthand, so what does it .. politics ????

              Quote: Lord of the Sith
              But at times you roll like a common man in the street.


              Here they were very upset, i.e. who is not with us is against us ???
              Then they forgot more .. Glory to the great PU !!! hi
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 27 March 2013 22: 49 New
                +2
                Quote: vaf
                Then they forgot more .. Glory to the great PU !!!

                - VAF and Vladyka, why argue? The quality of this sabzh? Undoubtedly, the material is of poor quality, I'm sorry, I’ve been sitting on this resource for three years now (I’m not talking about you at all), and I’m sitting just to better understand the topic under discussion - namely, weapons. And as if by going to any “civic” resource, where some kind of military news flashed and discussed in the news, you see that he’s well advanced in knowledge of military equipment-)))).
                It is clear that in the field of precision-guided weapons such as homing missiles, Russia is lagging behind. And in the field of avionics, too, is not shine. The fact that the Amer is already fighting in full swing, is the same Hellfire, the Russians are only testing it in prototypes - that “Whirlwind” or the same “Hermes” (by the way, what about this complex?) I don’t understand if the “Whirlwind” has already been created and even tested, why not equip them with the KA-52? Difficulties with the integration of this complex with helicopter equipment? I don’t understand, in this connection?
                According to avionics, the same Crossbow, like the declared performance characteristics of it are no worse, detection range, noise immunity, etc. Why not set? I remember there was a problem of image stabilization - is it really so difficult for our designers this question? They managed to create a good radar itself, but it turned out to be impossible to stabilize the image? Maybe just vodka wasn’t enough? Or gyroscopes of the wrong model?
                My observations - individually, there are very good prototypes. How to put it together - they don’t fit together like a bad Lego constructor. Separately, the KA-52 helicopter is very good, even though the masses were reaching it, the maneuverability reserve of the KA-50 was so good that the KA-52 remains the fastest and most maneuverable machine - I see the same video, I compare. Separately, "Crossbow" from the Research Institute "Fazotron" is very good. Separately, the Whirlwind complex from the Tactical Missile Weapons (I am not mistaken?) Is very good. And why not get together? Mounts not suitable? Though kill, I do not understand !!! am
                By the way, the GSh-30 cannon is specially made with a large spread of shells, it is an anti-personnel device, covering the largest possible area with shell bursts is the topic. Apaches have exactly the same thing. I thought you know for this topic -))))
                1. Windbreak
                  Windbreak 27 March 2013 23: 08 New
                  +1
                  Quote: aksakal
                  By the way, the gun GS-30
                  On the Ka-52 and Mi-28 there is a 2A42 gun. GSH-30 is another gun
          5. evgenii67
            evgenii67 27 March 2013 17: 25 New
            +1
            I welcome you Sergey! Good photo, apparently the new landing squad good
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 27 March 2013 21: 21 New
              0
              Apache in the photo from Kosovo. negative
          6. fzr1000
            fzr1000 27 March 2013 20: 12 New
            0
            In the distant 92s I watched a thin agitation movie about Apache - Birds of War with Nicolas Cage. It was impressive then that when the helicopter shot down and the pilot landed it, its shooter went to the tail of the helicopter and pulled the Stinger from somewhere in the niche and knocked out the Mirage of the enemy. In fact, they are equipped with MANPADS or is it only in the movies?
          7. phantom359
            phantom359 28 March 2013 02: 26 New
            0
            Who is proven? With weakened sanctions, the Saddam army, which you can’t even call the army, is so frightened by the police, proudly calling themselves guards or Afghan mujahideen, who receive military and financial support through a bunch of mediators and fight with weapons not yesterday, but the day before yesterday. To drive the Apache into a real battle with a worthy opponent, then it will be seen what it costs. With Mi24, it’s somehow not correct to compare Apache. He had more serious opponents.
  11. Vovka levka
    Vovka levka 27 March 2013 12: 30 New
    0
    Patriotism is good, but the effectiveness of military equipment is determined by combined factors and there are a lot of them. Each technique has pros, but there are also disadvantages. And people who do, exploit this technique, as a rule they know them. And making reviews, it is necessary to show not only the good sides, but to make comparisons, analysis with similar samples of foreign production. And honestly tell what still could not be achieved and what objective and subjective reasons for these shortcomings. It must be clearly understood that there is no limit to perfection.
    1. amber-50
      amber-50 27 March 2013 15: 18 New
      0
      I think that they will not write about flaws, since they pass under the signature stamp of a secret (just kidding).
  12. Russian
    Russian 27 March 2013 12: 32 New
    +2
    We’ll unite our southern direction, it's time!
    Honest heaven above your head!
  13. Horde
    Horde 27 March 2013 12: 32 New
    +3
    Ka-52 helicopter is able to withstand the attack of a whole army

    not bad, not bad, how many countries are there 26? 26 armies means we need 26 KA-52 helicopters and one spare just in case. An example of journalistic logic. laughing
  14. KOSMOS
    KOSMOS 27 March 2013 12: 33 New
    0
    When they drive from Rostov to Korenovsk, they fly by! I saw six sides! Fly in pairs accompanied by MI-17
    1. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 27 March 2013 13: 14 New
      +4
      And Mi-17, what, the road showed to the airfield ??? laughing
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 25 New
        +2
        Mi-17 will smash, so that they do not get into a fight with the locals. Young ones still, blood boils, muscles boil. I want to remove the silushka.
      2. Bort radist
        Bort radist 27 March 2013 13: 37 New
        +2
        Quote: CaptainBlack
        And Mi-17, what, the road showed to the airfield ???

        Pads, covers, pendants, ............... airfield equipment.
        1. GELEZNII_KAPUT
          GELEZNII_KAPUT 27 March 2013 15: 45 New
          0
          In short, the squire !!! soldier
  15. Alekseev
    Alekseev 27 March 2013 12: 33 New
    0
    Good helicopter.
    And, indeed, a dozen can stop the combined arms army! wassat
    But this is if you do not shoot at them ...
  16. Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 March 2013 12: 37 New
    +8
    Damn ... well, at least the modest headlines would be written or something. An entire army ....
    No, well, of course he will defeat the army of Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia ... if he suddenly flies up. And if they don’t have a tank. Of course, you will have to sweat with the tank .. 10 minutes ... smile
    And so, of course it is necessary to present the news not in such enthusiastic colors.


    This is to look into the cabin from the bottom ... from open sources.
    1. Avenger711
      Avenger711 27 March 2013 12: 53 New
      0
      The tank will get ATGM, if you need 1-2 more. And will die.
    2. zanoza
      zanoza 27 March 2013 13: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: Wedmak
      .. from open sources.


      And it all started with this .... wink
      (photo clickable)
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 27 March 2013 13: 42 New
        +2
        repeat Here he is still “naked” ...
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 27 March 2013 13: 53 New
          +1
          So he goes to the assembly in Rostov.
          (clickable)
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 59 New
            +2
            Um, is there two of them or one? Three tractor stands ...
            1. VAF
              VAF 27 March 2013 15: 46 New
              +2
              Quote: Wedmak
              Is there two of them or one?


              One! wink

              Quote: Wedmak
              Three tractor stands ...


              The trailer for the helicopter itself ...



              Cargo under the steering column, spare parts, suspension and all sorts of miscellaneous accessories.



              A long-length .. under the shipping container for the VLV helicopter: wink

              Only they are no longer on the cart. and on the lodges in the box

              1. Wedmak
                Wedmak 27 March 2013 20: 49 New
                +2
                Wow ... here it is, I somehow forgot about the blades ...
    3. Trailer
      Trailer 27 March 2013 14: 51 New
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      This is to look into the cabin from the bottom ... from open sources.


      Thank you, dude!
  17. FunkschNNX
    FunkschNNX 27 March 2013 12: 39 New
    +6
    "This is the world's only" attack "helicopter, built according to a special system" what kind of system is this belay , maybe a coaxial circuit rather than a special system.
    "The flight does not depend on the direction of the wind." And others probably only fly in the wind laughing
    "Geostabilized Optoelectronic Station" This is probably so much a secret system that no one even knows what this phrase means laughing
    It seems that the girl wrote an article, well, or a journalist bought his diploma is not expensive. A helicopter, of course, is a handsome devil and menacing good
  18. erased
    erased 27 March 2013 12: 45 New
    0
    The helicopter is good, but as for the army, there is a hyperbolization that hits the eyes.
    Another question - having a Ka-52, why another Mi-28?
    1. queen
      queen 27 March 2013 12: 59 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      having Ka-52, why else Mi-28?

      They are needed, the 28th is cheaper and simpler, and their tasks are slightly different.
      1. erased
        erased 27 March 2013 17: 13 New
        +1
        Can't the Ka-52 cope with the tasks of the Mi-28?
        1. queen
          queen 27 March 2013 18: 00 New
          +2
          Unification of entire systems and assemblies allows the Mi-28N to be placed in the locations of the Mi-8 and Mi-24 without major financial injections. All this is reasonable from an economic point of view, and therefore the choice of the Mi-28N as the main attack helicopter is quite natural.
          Subtracted)))))
          1. erased
            erased 27 March 2013 18: 14 New
            0
            Judging by the planned and actual deliveries, the main one will be the Ka-52.
            In reality, it's all about lobbying. But now they seem to begin to understand that this is a great brake on the development of technology.
          2. Avenger711
            Avenger711 27 March 2013 18: 46 New
            0
            Unification with Milevtsy and Kamovtsy was not shy, and bolts are generally standardized by GOST.
        2. VAF
          VAF 27 March 2013 18: 13 New
          +3
          Quote: erased
          Can't the Ka-52 cope with the tasks of the Mi-28?


          At the moment, definitely not, but in the future ... the same .. very .. very problematic!
      2. Avenger711
        Avenger711 27 March 2013 18: 45 New
        0
        More primitive rather, it’s rather strange to consider one machine more expensive than another when one of them comes without a part of the promised equipment, which will still have to be purchased when it is debugged.
    2. Avenger711
      Avenger711 27 March 2013 13: 03 New
      +1
      Because when the Mi-28N was adopted by the year that way in the 2005th, in Arseniev it was simply not possible to produce anything at all. There was simply no choice. I don’t know how much they swelled into the plant (it was necessary to save it anyway), but the process started, but the Mi-28 had surging engines during firing (they fixed it, like), then all the radars promised could not be raised. Plus in Rostov it turns out they can’t collect more than 10 Mi-28N per year. I don’t know what they did there, but that’s probably why they ordered another 49 Mi-35s, and the contract for the Ka-52 exceeded that for the Mi-28N, if all ordered ~ 28 aircraft should be delivered by Mi-70N soon, maybe still buy.
    3. CaptainBlack
      CaptainBlack 27 March 2013 13: 37 New
      +8
      And for the company !!! So more fun ... after flying! They paired so much fuel per hour that they need a third - refueling drinks yes laughing
  19. Sharingan
    Sharingan 27 March 2013 13: 01 New
    -1
    Well, if a hypothetical army will advance without aircraft and air defense, then yes wink
  20. olegff68
    olegff68 27 March 2013 13: 05 New
    +1
    Great helicopter !!! And the article ... wassat
    - A whole army ???
    - Geostabilized ???
    - perform rocket firing moving to the right or left ???
    Pliz Someone from specialists can tell about serial cars:
    - why not put I.K. diffusers on engines?
    -Did the avionics reach the "mind"?
    -Do you start to equip with a radar?
    -Were they allowed to use URs, and if so, which ones?
  21. elmi
    elmi 27 March 2013 13: 11 New
    +3
    I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in Miles
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2013 13: 19 New
      +1
      Mi helicopters have a different scheme for saving pilots - an energy-absorbing chassis, when struck, “folds” in certain places, damping speed. Plus, pilots have something like inflatable rails when leaving the car at high altitudes. This is true only Mi-28.
      1. elmi
        elmi 27 March 2013 18: 06 New
        +4
        I repeat my opinion that at a high altitude with Avriya on Mi nothing will help, salvation only with the 50 / 52 spacecraft by bailout, do you think it was in vain that they created a bailout? If it were possible to apply salvation in civilian courts, it would be extremely useful.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 27 March 2013 15: 03 New
      0
      Oga only in Mi 28 killed 1 pilot in 2 accidents / disasters, and in Ka50 / 52 3 in 2 disasters. And apparently, out of dislike for the pilots, the evil Milevtsi made glazing on the Mi 28, and the Kamovtsy on Ka 52 bashfully covered the side plex with a small armored shield. You think before you make such statements.
      1. elmi
        elmi 27 March 2013 17: 54 New
        +3
        Quote: evil hamster
        Oga, only in Mi 28 died 1 pilot on 2 accident / disaster, and in Ka50 / 52 3 on 2 accident.

        Where does the data come from? bring the source until you bring the sources I do not believe. I believe the fact - in the sky during an accident on MI how will you be saved? and the 50 / 52 spacecraft has the option of bailout. And why did you take that 50 / 52 is more accidental than Mi, if 50-52 is just a few pieces and there were 2 crashes, and you give 3 disasters, where the third is My data from a neutral Wikipedia source: http: // ru .wikipedia.org / wiki /% CA% E0-50 But a small part of the statistics, it’s a pity to spend more time: http://ria.ru/inquest/20120817/725348902.html
        Quote: evil hamster
        You think before you make such statements.

        And before you insult, consider the opinions of others, this site is for free communication fool
        1. Windbreak
          Windbreak 27 March 2013 18: 17 New
          +1
          Quote: elmi
          you bring 3 disasters where the third
          crashed Ka-52 near Torzhok last year
          1. elmi
            elmi 27 March 2013 19: 57 New
            +4
            Quote: Burel
            crashed Ka-52 near Torzhok last year

            I’m not talking about disasters, but about the percentage of salvation of the accident and Mi Accidents, I can bring a lot, there are no completely safe helicopters, but the number of surviving pilots is much more important.
        2. Avenger711
          Avenger711 27 March 2013 19: 01 New
          +1
          In disasters, 1 serial Ka-50 under the control of Vorobyov in 1997 and 1 Ka-52 were lost a year ago, as we recall, the Ka-52 that fell during the night could not be found until the morning, and the surviving crew member died after that.

          Lost B-80 EU but no count. Unfortunately, trials are rarely done without broken trials.
          1. astra
            astra 27 March 2013 20: 05 New
            +4
            Quote: Avenger711
            1 serial Ka-50 under the control of Vorobyov in 1997 and 1 Ka-52 were lost in catastrophes a year ago, as we recall, the Ka-52 that fell during the night could not be found until the morning, and the surviving crew member died after that. -but not the bill. Unfortunately, rarely do without broken trials

            Accidents and catastrophes of Mi-8 helicopters in 2003-2009 Help Here is the link. Look, I counted Mi accidents from 2003 to 2009 33 accidents: http: //www.aviaport.ru/digest/2009/07/19/177249.html
            Why only praise Mi? KA 50 and KA 52 are excellent helicopters, and pilots can catapult in an emergency
        3. evil hamster
          evil hamster 27 March 2013 20: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: elmi
          Where does the data come from? bring the source until you bring the sources I do not believe. I believe the fact - in the sky during an accident on MI how will you be saved? and the 50 / 52 spacecraft has the option of bailout. And why did you take that 50 / 52 is more accidental than Mi, if 50-52 is just a few pieces and there were 2 crashes, and you give 3 disasters, where the third is My data from a neutral Wikipedia source: http: // ru .wikipedia.org / wiki /% CA% E0-50 But a small part of the statistics, it’s a pity to spend more time: http://ria.ru/inquest/20120817/725348902.html

          The points.
          1. My phrase you quoted does not say about 3 disasters, but about 2, read carefully what they write to you.
          2. I do not consider the V80 crash, only the Ka 50 in 1997 and the Torzhkovsky board 99 a year ago.
          3. In both cases, the catapult did not help the crews.
          4. Mi 28 knows for sure about 2 incidents. 1 fall of 43 yellow sides from Torzhok at a show due to surging of both engines. There is a video about this. And that is typical after falling from 50 meters the crew escaped with a slight startle. And this is all due to the fact that the villains from Mila, who, in your opinion, do not care about the pilots, have muddied a special destructible construct + anti-reloading seats that are totally capable of compensating somewhere around 50g (I write from memory) so that a sudden meeting with the ground does not become lethal for them. By the way, this board has been restored. The second incident occurred on board 05 blue Budenovsk, the commander died, the gunner, as far as I heard, was not seriously injured. It is believed that the commander died from a blow by a broken propeller blade on his cockpit. There is nothing about the incident you brought to the network, neither the side number nor the photo, obviously there are no corpses. Most likely the incident is not worth a damn.
          5. As for your question about leaving, everything is generally obvious, at a high altitude at Mi 28 the doors are opened, special curtains are inflated and the crew leaves the car by parachutes. On FDA, as I already wrote, a passive safety system has been developed. The fact is that attack helicopters mostly fly on FDA, and often pilots simply do not have time to react and decide to leave, especially in mountainous terrain or in the SMU. And who and who the villains of Milevtsy know for sure, having extensive statistics of the war on Mi 24.
          6. And yes, frankly, I do not care whether you believe it or not, reality will not suffer from this, there is a desire to understand the topic, read profile resources.
          Quote: elmi
          And before you insult, consider the opinions of others, this site is for free communication fool

          Oh, what kind of gentle and vulnerable are we, walking so stated that KB Mil was to pour on the lives of people in their helicopters, and now do not tell you the word? Take the log out of your eye.
          1. elmi
            elmi 27 March 2013 21: 12 New
            +4
            Well, let's start the discussion:
            The same way as points.
            1.
            Quote: evil hamster
            1. My phrase you quoted does not say about 3 disasters, but about 2, read carefully what they write to you.

            I copy your quote:
            Quote: evil hamster
            and in Ka50 / 52 3 at 2 disaster

            see the 3 number? I think no need to explain.
            2. Well, at least they recognized it.
            3. In emergency situations, anything happens, the reasons why the pilots did not use the catapult no one knows. It is pointless to argue.
            4. Well, if the accident would be at a height of more than 50 meters, I think the crew did not get off with a fright (and it worked out so well)
            Quote: evil hamster
            And that’s all because the villains from Mile,
            Where did you read that I call Milevtsev villains?
            Quote: elmi
            I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in Miles
            You see how I wrote - I expressed my regret - about the lack of a catapult on MI. And against Mi helicopters, I have nothing wrong, on the contrary, I admire at least their reliability, the purchases of the whole world speak for themselves.
            5. I am not special in helicopters, but it seems to me impossible to leave the emergency helicopter when it falls, spins, without falling under the spinning screws, this is me about Mi helicopters. And in the spacecraft, the screws shoot back and the cabin then the chair ejects, I think you know.
            6. Analogously, I do not care whether you believe it or not. Each has its own position. And would it not hurt you to read professional resources or think of yourself as an expert?
            Here you distort:
            Quote: evil hamster
            Oh, what kind of gentle and vulnerable are we, walking so stated that KB Mil was to pour on the lives of people in their helicopters, and now do not tell you the word? Take the log out of your eye.

            Where did you see that I am gentle and vulnerable? use protection that we cannot meet with you and say so, only cowards say so.
            Quote: evil hamster
            it was like that they said that Mil’s design bureau would pour on the lives of people in their helicopters, and now don’t tell me the word? Take the log out of your eye.

            Again, you turn over the words do not need to make your own read what I wrote above. But on the contrary, you can’t see a log in yourselves.
            1. evil hamster
              evil hamster 27 March 2013 22: 43 New
              0
              1.
              Quote: evil hamster
              Og only in Mi 28 killed 1 pilot on 2 accidents / catastrophesand in Ka50 / 52 3 on 2 disasters.

              Quote: elmi
              see the 3 number? I think no need to explain.

              What exactly is highlighted in you do not understand? Russian is written in white after all.
              2. No not recognized
              3. Appreciated. The fact is that in NOT emergency situations the catapult is not needed, but it really makes no sense to argue, people died and the catapult did not save.
              4. And on the basis of what do you think so, do you have any objective data or maybe calculations?
              Quote: elmi
              Where did you read that I call Milevtsev villains?

              By analogy: where did you read that I affirm that you called them that?
              Quote: elmi
              You see how I wrote - I expressed my regret - about the lack of a catapult on MI

              No sweetheart then the phrase should look like this: “I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot ( there is the possibility of bailout which is not in miles )", but it’s written in a different way and the meaning is different. I’m not a tuner, I don’t read thoughts. I’ll perceive what is written.
              5. On Mi 28, the blades and wing consoles also shoot back.
              6. I read these thanks as much as I can. No, I don’t think so.
              Quote: elmi
              Here you distort:
              Maybe but
              Quote: evil hamster
              You think before you make such statements.

              Quote: elmi
              And before you insult consider someone else's opinion

              You took the phrase "think with your head" as an insult and you think that I have no reason to fuss?
              Quote: elmi
              Where did you see that I am gentle and vulnerable? use protection that we cannot meet with you and say so, only cowards say so.
              I’ll probably ignore this.
              Quote: elmi
              Again, flip the words do not have to make your own read what I wrote above
              I read as you wrote. no more, no less.
              1. elmi
                elmi 27 March 2013 23: 36 New
                +4
                1. And you did not count how many pilots died on Mi? I’m afraid that there are more than a few dozen, but on Ka I’m sure the death toll will be less, time will tell.
                2.
                Quote: evil hamster
                2. I do not consider the V80 crash, only the Ka 50 in 1997 and the Torzhkovsky board 99 a year ago.

                The wikipedia link provided an accident in Torzhok http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%E0-50
                Do not admit your case, but you can’t argue against facts
                3. I agree not to argue with nothing, but no one knows the crew tried to use the catapult or not.
                4.
                Quote: evil hamster
                and where did you read that I affirm that you called them that?

                Well, you give, look at your comments, you have accused me of calling Milevts villains HERE CARE ATTENTIVELY
                Quote: evil hamster
                And apparently from dislike for the pilots evil Milevtsi


                Quote: evil hamster
                that the villains from Milthat you don't care about the pilots
                I hope you will not deny your words. You indirectly accuse me of being an opponent of MI helicopters, find at least one word in my comments where I put it that way?
                5. Perhaps so. I did not go deep and did not argue about this.
                6. And I honor. Modesty colors.

                Quote: evil hamster
                You took the phrase "think with your head" as an insult and you think that I have no reason to fuss?

                Do you judge everyone from your belfry ?, and don’t think that the people here are different, maybe someone will miss such statements
                Quote: evil hamster
                think such statements with your head.
                But I did not miss and answered.
                Quote: evil hamster
                I’ll probably ignore this.

                There is nothing, without knowing people to judge whether they are tender, or vulnerable, they would meet and find out.

                Quote: evil hamster
                Quote: elmi
                Again, flip the words do not have to make your own read what I wrote above
                I read as you wrote. no more, no less.

                Yes, they read badly:
                Quote: evil hamster
                walking so stated that KB Mil pour on the lives of people in their helicopters

                You again accused me of neglecting the lives of people in KB Mil, find my words about neglect?
                Quote: elmi
                (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in miles

                It is written in black and white what is not in Miles - name at least 1 the Mile model where there is a catapult
                1. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 28 March 2013 13: 55 New
                  +1
                  1. Well, so you finally read my first post, what a relief, the more you tell me that I counted more accidents on the Ka50 / 52 do not blame?
                  Quote: elmi
                  And you did not count how many pilots died on Mi? I’m afraid that more than a few dozen, but on Ka I’m sure the death toll will be less, time will tell
                  - Specify on which Mi and on which Ka and for what period of time and most importantly what it relates to our substantive communication.
                  2. My dearest, I counted 28–2 (two episodes) in the Mi catastrophes, and 50 (two) episodes in the Ka52 / 2 catastrophes. Specifically, the disaster of 98, which is in your link and the catastrophe of 2012 with 99 aircraft from Torzhok, which is not in your link. I did not consider the disaster of '85, as this is a prototype with all the wipers. So what doesn't suit you? What did I count wrong? What exactly should I admit?
                  3. It is quite obvious that even if he tried, he didn’t succeed, as the catapult shows, as applied to a helicopter, is not a panacea for all ills.
                  4. Do you have problems understanding Russian? The quote you quoted DOES NOT say that you said so. Search further.
                  Quote: elmi
                  I hope you will not deny your words. You indirectly accuse me of being an opponent of MI helicopters

                  Quote: elmi
                  I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in Miles
                  It's enough? Yes, I read that you had something else in mind, but what is written is written and the meaning of this phrase is clear: Kamovtsy take care of the pilots, and Milevtsy do not. This, incidentally, is a classic example of “execute cannot be pardoned”, as you have placed such brackets in such a sense.
                  5. Good 5 point consensus.
                  6. great.
                  Quote: elmi
                  Nothing, not knowing people to judge whether they are tender, or vulnerable, would meet and would know
                  What for?
                  Quote: elmi
                  Yes, they read badly:
                  According to the rules of the Russian language and literature.
                  Quote: elmi
                  You again accused me of neglecting the lives of people in KB Mil, find my words about neglect?

                  We asked answer:
                  Quote: elmi
                  I respect KA family helicopters for taking care of the pilot ( there is the possibility of bailouts ) what is not in miles


                  "It is written in black and white what is not in Miles - name at least the 1 model of Mile where there is a catapult" I already wrote about this in a previous post. So brackets, this is such a punctuation mark that takes everything written between them beyond the framework of the general narration - this is a retreat clarification and so on. You yourself arranged them and there is nothing to blame now that I misunderstood you, I understood how they wrote.
                  1. elmi
                    elmi 28 March 2013 14: 42 New
                    +4
                    1.
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    Specify on which Mi and on which Ka and for what period of time and most importantly what it relates to our substantive communication.

                    I cited the data above once again
                    Quote: astra
                    Accidents and catastrophes of Mi-8 helicopters in 2003-2009 Help Here is the link. Look, I counted Mi accidents from 2003 to 2009 33 accidents: http: //www.aviaport.ru/digest/2009/07/19/177249.html

                    Besides, as I understand from your statements, the superiority of MI helicopters over KA helicopters. My position is that it’s too early to compare safety because time will tell. In the meantime, there are more accident statistics for Mi helicopters, perhaps for a similar period of time there will be statistics on Ka, and then it will be possible to draw conclusions.
                    2. I skip the point.
                    3. And it seems to me maybe they wanted to use a catapult, but they couldn’t, everything happens.
                    4. If we didn’t understand, we would not communicate.
                    Well, apparently we understand the words differently
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in Miles

                    I'm like about regret-I emphasize about regret that the Mi helicopters do not provide a catapult to save the crew, although it may be deployed in the future. and in helicopters Ka is already there. And you understand my understanding right away for the fact that CB Mil did not care about the crew for safety in Mi helicopters. It seems to me that we have long understood everything, but no one wants to back down. Well, move on.
                    5. Consensus.
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    What for?

                    Prove that I'm not like that.
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    According to the rules of the Russian language and literature.

                    I didn’t talk about grammar, but that you accuse me of something that I did not think about.
                    Quote: evil hamster
                    "It is written in black and white what is not in Miles - name at least the 1 model of Mile where there is a catapult" I already wrote about this in a previous post. So brackets, this is such a punctuation mark that takes everything written between them beyond the framework of the general narration - this is a retreat clarification and so on. You yourself arranged them and there is nothing to blame now that I misunderstood you, I understood how they wrote.

                    What do you unlock - there is no catapult in Mi and there is no bastard, what a dispute.
                    1. evil hamster
                      evil hamster 28 March 2013 16: 47 New
                      +1
                      1.
                      Quote: elmi
                      Besides, as I understand from your statements, the superiority of MI helicopters over KA helicopters. My position is that it’s too early to compare safety because time will tell. In the meantime, there are more accident statistics for Mi helicopters, perhaps for a similar period of time there will be statistics on Ka, and then it will be possible to draw conclusions.

                      You started talking about catapults, the only helicopter with a catapult seat in the world is Ka50 / 52, on the other machines of Kamov Design Bureau they are not there, Ka 50/52 is an attack helicopter, respectively, I compared it with its competitor from Mi-28. What does the statistics of all other machines have to me, it is decidedly not clear to me. And if it’s very interesting for you, then find the number of flight hours for 1 accident; only in this way can you objectively compare the Mi 8 with analogues from Kamov. Ka 27,32 in the world today, a couple of three hundred can be operated, Mi 8/17 thousand, about 15 thousand are produced - this is one of the most common helicopters in the world and the most common in its class.
                      And I didn’t write about the superiority of Milesian cars over Kamov ones, I wrote that less people died in Mi 28 than in the Ka 50 and Ka 52 despite the presence of a catapult. I did not touch on the questions of other cars at all.
                      3. Well, let's say they wanted something to change this?
                      4. I understood you a long time ago, but you won’t erase a song from words, you expressed your thought in such a way that I understood its meaning in the exact opposite of your idea. And the problem here is not in me, but in your original phrase.
                      Quote: elmi
                      Prove that I'm not like that.
                      How so?
                      Quote: elmi
                      I didn’t talk about grammar, but that you accuse me of something that I did not think about.
                      The fact is that I do not own telepathy at a distance, and I do not know what you were thinking, but I perceived your thought by reading your message. The discrepancy between what is written and what is intended is not my problem.
                      Quote: elmi
                      What do you unlock - there is no catapult in Mi and there is no bastard, what a dispute.
                      Verily she is not there, but I repeat, write your thoughts more clearly so that you can be understood.
                      1. elmi
                        elmi 28 March 2013 18: 21 New
                        0
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        What does the statistics of all other machines have to me, it is decidedly not clear to me.

                        Because you started, as you yourself said, to compare with attack helicopters, and did not make distinctions in classes. For in my view of safety, it is advisable to equip all helicopters with a catapult on both Mi and Ka.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        3. Well, let's say they wanted something to change this?

                        What if the emergency situation allowed them to use a catapult to pull the handle, the crew would be alive.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        And the problem here is not in me, but in your original phrase.

                        But the first phrase I said first in the comment, and I did not know that you would understand it differently, just the problem is in your response comment, because you understood it differently. In your opinion, by making an 1 comment, you deliberately create a problem, because the next person will not understand your idea that way and will then transfer the problem to you. In declaring a comment, each person expresses his point of view, and how others will understand it is not his problem.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        How so?

                        Having chatted live.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        The fact is that I do not own telepathy at a distance, and I do not know what you were thinking, but I perceived your thought by reading your message. The discrepancy between what is written and what is intended is not my problem.

                        Similarly, I am also not clairvoyant and to adapt in advance to the response of an unknown person I have no desire, I think you too.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        write your thoughts more clearly to be understood.

                        Now I will personally try for you, because there were no problems with others.
                      2. elmi
                        elmi 28 March 2013 18: 21 New
                        +4
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        What does the statistics of all other machines have to me, it is decidedly not clear to me.

                        Because you started, as you yourself said, to compare with attack helicopters, and I did not make distinctions in classes. For in my view of safety, it is advisable to equip all helicopters with a catapult on both Mi and Ka.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        3. Well, let's say they wanted something to change this?

                        What if the emergency situation allowed them to use a catapult to pull the handle, the crew would be alive.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        And the problem here is not in me, but in your original phrase.

                        But the first phrase I said first in the comment, and I did not know that you would understand it differently, just the problem is in your response comment, because you understood it differently. In your opinion, by making an 1 comment, you deliberately create a problem, because the next person will not understand your idea that way and will then transfer the problem to you. In declaring a comment, each person expresses his point of view, and how others will understand it is not his problem.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        How so?

                        Having chatted live.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        The fact is that I do not own telepathy at a distance, and I do not know what you were thinking, but I perceived your thought by reading your message. The discrepancy between what is written and what is intended is not my problem.

                        Similarly, I’m also not clairvoyant and I don’t have any desire to adapt in advance to the answer of an unknown person, I think you too. Inconsistencies of the concept of reading are also not my problem.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        write your thoughts more clearly to be understood.

                        Now I will personally try for you, because there were no problems with others.
                      3. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 28 March 2013 20: 40 New
                        +1
                        Quote: elmi
                        Because you started, as you yourself said, to compare with attack helicopters, and I did not make distinctions in classes. For in my view of safety, it is advisable to equip all helicopters with a catapult on both Mi and Ka.
                        You have a very original idea, the vast majority of helicopter designers in the world do not share it. think about it. Curiously, is a catapult needed in the transponder too?
                        Quote: elmi
                        What if the emergency situation allowed them to use a catapult to pull the handle, the crew would be alive.
                        And you know the situation for helicopters rarely allows. They, helicopters, as a rule do not fall from a clear sky in good MUs, more and more on FDA, during take-off, during landing, loss of orientation in SMU, meeting with bumps in the relief, cm, power lines, trees, etc. That is, situations where pilots do not have time to react for helicopters are quite typical.
                        Quote: elmi
                        But I’m the first phrase ....
                        Yes, the whole thing is not respected here, that you expressed your thought in such a way that I misunderstood it, and now I kind of ran into you like a radish for no reason. And about communication on the forum it is always useful to clearly state your thoughts. And by the way, when writing a comment, you should be mentally prepared that someone will not like it, and someone will be angry and someone will be offended. This is generally obvious, so your nervous reaction somewhat surprises me.
                        Quote: elmi
                        Having chatted live.
                        Do you like to chat live with strangers? Yes, you are the original old man.
                        Quote: elmi
                        Similarly, I’m also not clairvoyant and I don’t have any desire to adapt in advance to the answer of an unknown person, I think you too. Inconsistencies of the concept of reading are also not my problem.

                        That is, you think that you placed the brackets correctly, and your phrase means exactly what you insist on? Well then, I have nothing more to say.
                      4. elmi
                        elmi 28 March 2013 21: 49 New
                        +4
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        You have a very original idea, the vast majority of helicopter designers in the world do not share it. think about it. Curiously, is a catapult needed in the transponder too?

                        Nothing original, when only the first catapults began to be placed on airplanes, many skeptics like you also doubted, and sometimes were against placement, and life showed who was right - catapults were placed on all military planes. I believe that on all types of combat aircraft where the most probable losses in the event of war are catapults, because I believe that human life is priceless.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        And you know the situation for helicopters rarely allows. They, helicopters, as a rule do not fall from a clear sky in good MUs, more and more on FDA, during take-off, during landing, loss of orientation in SMU, meeting with bumps in the relief, cm, power lines, trees, etc. That is, situations where pilots do not have time to react for helicopters are quite typical.

                        I will add that in cases of hostilities helicopter losses will increase and they will fall, including from a height.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Yes, the whole thing is not respected here, that you expressed your thought in such a way that I misunderstood it, and now I kind of ran into you like a radish for no reason. And about communication on the forum it is always useful to clearly state your thoughts. And by the way, when writing a comment, you should be mentally prepared that someone will not like it, and someone will be angry and someone will be offended. This is generally obvious, so your nervous reaction somewhat surprises me.

                        Respectable to me, anyway, as you understand me, consider yourself as you want a radish or something else. But you do not need to teach me, teach your children. I am shaping my thoughts normally, and how you clearly or not clearly understand these are your problems. Why did you decide that I react nervously to you? I’m not minus you, which would be more logical if I were angry with you. Maybe you judge by long correspondence? I can correspond for a long time, I have enough patience, whoever gets points for my husband, although I do not communicate with you for crediting points.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Do you like to chat live with strangers? Yes, you are the original old man.

                        Well, judging by your remark, it turns out you don’t have any friends of men, because without talking to them face to face it is impossible to get a friend, friend. Do you have only women? Paul did not think to change?
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        That is, you think that you placed the brackets correctly, and your phrase means exactly what you insist on? Well then, I have nothing more to say.

                        What do you leave the answer? Hiding behind brackets. Once again I say that I consider the placement of seats - a catapult appropriate for all types of combat helicopters, including transport ones. And by the way, they will soon place ejection seats on the Mi 28.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Well then, I have nothing more to say.

                        Was it worth it to start this whole argument?
                      5. evil hamster
                        evil hamster 29 March 2013 13: 07 New
                        0
                        Quote: elmi
                        Nothing original when only the first catapults began to be placed on airplanes .....

                        There were obvious prerequisites for the emergence of a catapult on airplanes, but despite the fact that they have been putting them on airplanes for more than 50 years, they never appeared on helicopters, and this is not easy. For a helicopter, this is far from an unambiguous solution with a number of disadvantages.
                        Quote: elmi
                        I will add that in cases of hostilities helicopter losses will increase and they will fall, including from a height.
                        In the event of hostilities, if there is no overwhelming superiority in the air, or if the enemy has at least some sort of air defense, helicopters with PMV cannot be left at all for good. The helicopter is at an altitude from the point of view of a fighter, that an air defense system is a slow, non-maneuverable target that is clearly visible on the radar.
                        Quote: elmi
                        Why did you decide that I react nervously to you?
                        Why not? Did you say that I insulted you? Or maybe you haven’t hinted about a personal meeting for several posts in order to prove something there?
                        Quote: elmi
                        Well, judging by your remark, it turns out you don’t have any friends of men, because without talking to them face to face it is impossible to get a friend, friend. Do you have only women? Paul did not think to change?

                        Bgggg ... as I understand it was an attempt at sarcasm? That is, boys with boys and girls with girls, and vice versa neither, until the sex change smile you are a bigger original than I thought.
                        Quote: elmi
                        What do you leave the answer?
                        You essentially did not ask me to leave the answer.
                        Quote: elmi
                        Once again I say that I consider the placement of seats - a catapult appropriate for all types of combat helicopters, including transport ones.
                        That is, the crew jumps, and the landing down? It's funny
                        Quote: elmi
                        And by the way, they will soon place ejection seats on Mi 28
                        Do you know about this at KB Mil? Share the source of innermost knowledge, be so kind.
                        Quote: elmi
                        Was it worth it to start this whole argument?
                        With a person who writes one thing, and then suddenly it turns out that this is another, perhaps not.
                      6. elmi
                        elmi 29 March 2013 15: 09 New
                        +4
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        For a helicopter, this is far from an unambiguous solution with a number of disadvantages.

                        Well, progress is going on. They put it in Ka soon and they will put it in Mi, and in the future it will be as if in order - at least I hope so.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        non-maneuverable target clearly visible on the radar.

                        And why then created attack helicopters? or does it turn out first they need to wait for the full conquest of the air - as you say, and then work?
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Why not? Did you say that I insulted you? Or maybe you haven’t hinted about a personal meeting for several posts in order to prove something there?

                        No, I'm not nervous yet, despite the fact that I tried to tell you what expressions would be chosen. Well, what would you miss the koment in your address if someone said -
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        You before making such statements think with your head.

                        Where does such knowledge come from? you probably already had experience if you say so?
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        You essentially did not ask me to leave the answer.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        and your phrase means exactly what you insist on?
                        - Here is your phrase. And here is mine -
                        Quote: elmi
                        Once again I say that I consider the placement of seats - a catapult appropriate for all types of combat helicopters, including transport ones.
                        - What is not clear here - I clarified my position, and you are talking about brackets.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        you are a bigger original than I thought.

                        Quote: evil hamster
                        That is, the crew jumps, and the landing down? It's funny

                        It is your way, in my understanding, if an accident occurs in the air and it is not possible to save it, it’s impossible to save everyone, parachute landing, and the crew by ejection.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        Do you know about this at KB Mil? Share the source of innermost knowledge, be so kind.

                        Here is the first thing that came across: http://www.airbase.ru/hangar/equipment/zvezda.htm here, by the way, they are already on Mi 28Н: http://topwar.ru/21740-sovremennye-rossiyskie-udarnye-vertolety. html That would not read for a long time under the photo and before the chapter Unguided weapons.
                        Quote: evil hamster
                        With a person who writes one thing, and then suddenly it turns out that this is another, perhaps not.

                        Similarly - With a person who does not understand what is written in his own way, it is difficult to communicate. Russian is rich, one word, or glad phrases can be understood by different interpretations
                      7. Windbreak
                        Windbreak 29 March 2013 16: 50 New
                        0
                        Quote: elmi
                        Here is the first thing that came across: http://www.airbase.ru/hangar/equipment/zvezda.htm
                        “Together with the Mil Design Bureau, which is developing world-famous Mi-branded helicopters, Zvezda developed and put into operation the Pamir cushioning seat for installation on the Mi-28 helicopter. Such a chair, together with an emergency shock-absorption system for the helicopter’s chassis significantly increases the safety of the crew in the event of an emergency landing. "This is the reloading chair, how did you manage to see the ejection seat here?
                      8. elmi
                        elmi 29 March 2013 21: 00 New
                        +4
                        In addition, the Ka-52 and Mi-28H helicopters have a catapult system to save pilots in an accident at high altitudes.
                        Here is the line above ^, and here is the link from which I read: http://spec-naz.org/articles/boevaya_tekhnika/sovremennye_rossiyskie_udarnye_ver
                        tolety /
                      9. Windbreak
                        Windbreak 29 March 2013 23: 10 New
                        0
                        The author simply made a mistake. The sources of information cited by the author of the article say specifically about the lack of a Mi-28 catapult. "Most of the remaining blow is absorbed by specially designed seats. In addition, the Ka-52 and Mi-28N helicopters have a catapult system to save pilots in an accident at high altitudes. " If you believe this proposal, it turns out in Mi-28 2 ejection seats K-37 and 2 shock absorbing PAMIR. And the pilots run from one to the other in case of need))
                        zvezda-npp.ru/pamir.html zvezda-npp.ru/k37.html
                      10. elmi
                        elmi 30 March 2013 00: 14 New
                        +4
                        I don’t know, on behalf of the author, I can’t dispute the article, maybe he was mistaken. At first, after reading the article, I was delighted to install the catapult as on Ka, then after reading other sources in nete, I began to doubt. But I will hope for the future that in future KB Mil models will provide for the installation of catapults.
                2. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 29 March 2013 17: 26 New
                  0
                  Quote: elmi
                  Well, progress is going on. They put it in Ka soon and they will put it in Mi, and in the future it will be as if in order - at least I hope so.

                  No, they will not. And certainly they won’t put it on Mi-28, because of the technical impossibility of this action. So in vain hope.
                  Quote: elmi
                  And why then created attack helicopters? or does it turn out first they need to wait for the full conquest of the air - as you say, and then work?

                  Attack helicopters usually work with FDAs, at least they are more difficult to detect there, but in general gaining superiority in the air is extremely desirable.
                  Quote: elmi
                  No, I'm not nervous yet, despite the fact that I tried to tell you what expressions would be chosen. Well, what would you miss the koment in your address if someone said -
                  At least I would not be offended.
                  Quote: elmi
                  - What is not clear here - I clarified my position, and you are talking about brackets.

                  You know, I’m not inclined to walk in circles forever, if you don’t understand, re-read our dialogue, what kind of thought may dawn.
                  Quote: elmi
                  It is your way, in my understanding, if an accident occurs in the air and it is not possible to save it, it’s impossible to save everyone, parachute landing, and the crew by ejection.
                  Does the landing party have parachutes?
                  Quote: elmi
                  Here is the first thing that came across: http://www.airbase.ru/hangar/equipment/zvezda.htm here, by the way, they are already on Mi 28Н: http://topwar.ru/21740-sovremennye-rossiyskie-udarnye-vertolety. html That would not read for a long time under the photo and before the chapter Unguided weapons.

                  The first link says nothing about the ejection seat on the Mi-28, and the second link to an amateur article from the same site, the author of which wrote it based on open sources, which he indicated at the end. And yet, the author was mistaken, there is no ejection system on the Mi-28, I will even say more, it cannot be put there without a radical alteration of the fuselage.
                  Quote: elmi
                  Similarly - With a person who does not understand what is written in his own way, it is difficult to communicate. Russian is rich, one word, or glad phrases can be understood by different interpretations
                  BGG and this is told to me by a person who, at my request, provides a source of information about the alleged installation of a catapult on Mi 28, gives me a link that says in Russian that there is none on Mi28. Hand face.
                3. elmi
                  elmi 29 March 2013 20: 01 New
                  +4
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  No, they will not. And certainly they won’t put it on Mi-28, because of the technical impossibility of this action. So in vain hope.

                  Time will tell which of us is right.
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Attack helicopters usually work with FDA

                  Take the trouble to give complete words rather than FDA, I do not argue conquest is preferable
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  At least I would not be offended.

                  It turns out you are nervous if there is still a dialogue.
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  You know, I’m not inclined to walk in circles forever,

                  I'm also tired of the way your not understanding written
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Does the landing party have parachutes?

                  Do you think that only transport aircraft have a parachute landing?
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  The first link says nothing about the ejection seat on the Mi-28, and the second link to an amateur article from the same site, the author of which wrote it based on open sources, which he indicated at the end. And yet, the author was mistaken, there is no ejection system on the Mi-28, I will even say more, it cannot be put there without a radical alteration of the fuselage.

                  Perhaps the author was mistaken or maybe I won’t judge, but I’m still sure if not now then in the future they will be equipped with armchairs.
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  BGG and this is told to me by a person who, at my request, provides a source of information about the alleged installation of a catapult on Mi 28, gives me a link that says in Russian that there is none on Mi28. Hand face.

                  You asked ? I gave, you yourself admitted that the author was mistaken, so still found? and the fact remains - the article is, and whether it is not up to us to judge, but to the experts, whether it is erroneous. And do not encrypt in obscure words:
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Hand face.
                4. evil hamster
                  evil hamster 30 March 2013 14: 51 New
                  0
                  Quote: elmi
                  Time will tell which of us is right.

                  Og wait. 50 years were not enough, well, let's wait again, but what if smile
                  Quote: elmi
                  Take the trouble to give complete words rather than FDA, I do not argue conquest is preferable
                  My jamb, typo, the correct abbreviation PMV - extremely low height.
                  Quote: elmi
                  It turns out you are nervous if there is still a dialogue.
                  smile
                  Quote: elmi
                  I'm also tired of the way your not understanding written
                  Oh well
                  Quote: elmi
                  Do you think that only transport aircraft have a parachute landing?
                  I’ll tell you a terrible secret, but in most cases the transport and transport assault helicopters of the army aviation did not carry paratroopers, for example, but they did the same landing, but landed it in landing gear, motorized rifles, various technical personnel with cargoes, wounded with medical personnel, etc. And which is characteristic of all this lot of tasks, the landing party does not have parachutes, and in most cases it does not have landing training either. In general, parachute landing from helicopters is mainly used for training purposes, with combat rarely, as a rule, all sorts of special tasks.
                  Quote: elmi
                  Perhaps the author was mistaken or maybe I won’t judge, but I’m still sure if not now then in the future they will be equipped with armchairs.

                  Not possible, but wrong. Yes, yes, in the beautiful far away people will fly like birds.
                  Quote: elmi
                  You asked ? I gave, you yourself admitted that the author was mistaken, so still found? and the fact remains - the article is, and whether it is not up to us to judge, but to the experts, whether it is erroneous. And do not encrypt in obscure words:
                  My dear, can it be enough to roll something? You gave 2 links in the first of them the Russian language says which seats are installed in Mi 28.
                  You can not judge and wait for mythical experts, just don’t need to drag me in there, I’m quite capable of judging by looking at a photo, for example.
                5. elmi
                  elmi 30 March 2013 17: 50 New
                  +4
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Og wait. 50 years were not enough, well, let's wait again, but what if

                  Perhaps we will wait, now financing for the defense industry is proceeding expeditiously and in sufficient volumes.
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  My jamb, typo, the correct abbreviation PMV - extremely low height.

                  It happens
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  I’ll tell you a terrible secret

                  They didn’t open it; he himself flew helicopters in the army.
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  Not possible, but wrong. Yes, yes, in the beautiful far away people will fly like birds.

                  Once people also did not believe that they could fly, but they fly, albeit not by themselves, but with technical mi
                  Quote: evil hamster
                  You gave 2 links in the first of them the Russian language says which seats are installed in Mi 28.

                  But in the second link, it is possible and mistakenly written, it is clearly written: In addition, the Ka-52 and Mi-28H helicopters have a catapult system to save pilots in an accident at high altitudes. Source: http://topwar.ru/21740-sovremennye-rossiyskie-udarnye-vertolety.html
                  By the way, I found from the factory a developer for helicopters: http://www.zvezda-npp.ru/k37.html
                  By the way, it is not indicated for which particular helicopters.
    3. astra
      astra 28 March 2013 21: 56 New
      +4
      Why are you stuck to the phrase
      Quote: elmi
      I respect the helicopters of the KA family for taking care of the pilot (there is the possibility of bailouts) which is not in Miles

      It also clearly states that he prefers Ka helicopters for the possibility of bailouts! And the phrase that is not in miles is that they simply do not exist or do you know?
    4. elmi
      elmi 28 March 2013 22: 03 New
      +4
      Thank. Actually, I respect Mi helicopters too. There is information that soon there will be catapults on Mi 28 helicopters too, rather, the pilot’s life is priceless and you should not save on money. Need to ignore the prejudices of some skeptics
  • evil hamster
    evil hamster 28 March 2013 16: 47 New
    0
    1.
    Quote: elmi
    Besides, as I understand from your statements, the superiority of MI helicopters over KA helicopters. My position is that it’s too early to compare safety because time will tell. In the meantime, there are more accident statistics for Mi helicopters, perhaps for a similar period of time there will be statistics on Ka, and then it will be possible to draw conclusions.

    You started a conversation for catapults, the only helicopter with a catapult seat in the world is Ka50 / 52, on the other machines of Kamov Design Bureau they are not there, Ka 50/52 is an attack helicopter, respectively, I compared it with its competitor from Mi-28. What does the statistics of all other machines have to me, it is decidedly not clear to me. And if it’s very interesting for you, then find the number of flight hours for 1 accident; only in this way can you objectively compare the Mi 8 with analogues from Kamov. Ka 27,32 in the world today, a couple of three hundred can be operated, Mi 8/17 thousand, about 15 thousand are produced - this is one of the most common helicopters in the world and the most common in its class.
    And I didn’t write about the superiority of Milesian cars over Kamov ones, I wrote that less people died in Mi 28 than in the Ka 50 and Ka 52 despite the presence of a catapult. I did not touch on the questions of other cars at all.
    3. Well, let's say they wanted something to change this?
    4. I understood you a long time ago, but you won’t throw a song out of words, you expressed your thought in such a way that I understood its meaning strictly opposite to your idea. And the problem here is not in me, but in your original phrase.
    Quote: elmi
    Prove that I'm not like that.
    How so?
    Quote: elmi
    I didn’t talk about grammar, but that you accuse me of something that I did not think about.
    The fact is that I do not own telepathy at a distance, and I do not know what you were thinking, but I perceived your thought by reading your message. The discrepancy between what is written and what is intended is not my problem.
    Quote: elmi
    What do you unlock - there is no catapult in Mi and there is no bastard, what a dispute.
    Verily she is not there, but I repeat, write your thoughts more clearly so that you can be understood.
  • astra
    astra 27 March 2013 21: 17 New
    +4
    And why do you refer to a small number of accidents only on Mi 28. In general, elmi talked about the total number of MI accidents, accident statistics and fatalities are clearly not in favor of MI. For 7 years, 33 accidents on Mi8! and there are a lot of modifications. There are no flights without crashes on Ka and Mi
  • Avenger711
    Avenger711 27 March 2013 18: 58 New
    0
    At the moment, it’s too early to count statistics, but if the 99 aircraft crashed in absolutely bad weather before the crew could do something, then the lost Mi-28N fell for a long time, and if it were Ka-52, it was easier to leave it, than to hope for depreciation, after which the helicopter is still in scrap.

    In addition to the disaster, the Mi-28N also involved 2 more flight accidents with serious damage to the car, but it is too early to draw conclusions, since the Mi-28N went to the troops earlier and there are so many times more than the Ka-52 there.
    1. astra
      astra 27 March 2013 20: 10 New
      +5
      And if you yourself would be a helicopter pilot, on which would you like to fly on an MI or KA 50-52?
      1. VAF
        VAF 27 March 2013 20: 41 New
        +2
        [quote = astra] And if you yourself would be a helicopter pilot, which one would you like to fly to MI or KA 50-52? [/ quote

        Fly like that on all three. but if you fight, then on the Mi-28 and on the Ka-50, 52 is not .. until! soldier
        1. astra
          astra 27 March 2013 21: 20 New
          +2
          It’s analogous to fly at all, and it’s preferable to fight on a spacecraft in my opinion
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 27 March 2013 13: 40 New
    +3
    Well plane and plane
    1. zanoza
      zanoza 27 March 2013 13: 57 New
      +1
      "Fresh" Ka-52 (since 2012) have changes, additions.
      That one arrived in Korenovsk.
      (clickable)
      1. zanoza
        zanoza 27 March 2013 14: 01 New
        0
        In the air. (clickable)
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 27 March 2013 14: 05 New
        +2
        I only saw a rectangular figovin at the end of the console. It seems there wasn’t such at the first serial. There’s also a Vaf in the photo ... What is it?
        1. zanoza
          zanoza 27 March 2013 14: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Wedmak
          I'm just a rectangular figovin ...


          Suspension points (pylons) are now exactly 6. I am silent about the coloring.
          "Figs" is a machine for ejection of dipole reflectors and false thermal targets
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 27 March 2013 15: 02 New
            +1
            "Figs" is a machine for ejection of dipole reflectors and false thermal targets

            No, it's on the side. And in front of the machine? Moreover, only on the left pylon.
      3. zanoza
        zanoza 27 March 2013 14: 05 New
        +1
        Here he is in the air. (clickable)
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 27 March 2013 13: 43 New
    0
    Helicopters of the Kamov family, I always admired them; their coaxial design is something, it’s a pity that the shark didn’t go to the series. I immediately took off the ++++++++++++ article.
    1. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 28 March 2013 05: 54 New
      0
      In for whom the article) as pricked)
  • Fastblast
    Fastblast 27 March 2013 13: 45 New
    0
    Great car.
    I hope it will gloriously serve for the good of the motherland.

    Of course, they will be able to withstand the offensive, however, in conjunction with other combat units.
  • TRex
    TRex 27 March 2013 13: 47 New
    +3
    You can’t post such materials on a site that claims to be professional. "Built according to a special scheme ..." "It will stop the advance of an entire army ..." and other game.
    The helicopter is certainly good, but there must also be a limit to all sorts of nonsense.
    1. queen
      queen 27 March 2013 13: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: TRex
      the limit to all nonsense should also be

      +++ I agree completely. The article is empty and naive.
  • kaprall
    kaprall 27 March 2013 13: 47 New
    +2
    Undisguised lies when the talkers kicked out of the newspapers?
  • evgenii67
    evgenii67 27 March 2013 13: 49 New
    0
    Quote: evgenii67
    Thanks Eugene for info about Armata !!!! I hope this information is not secret and there will be nothing for you to disclose hi Will the tower not be inhabited? Can I have some kind of platform picture repeat
  • lazy
    lazy 27 March 2013 13: 52 New
    +1
    the helicopter is good but the article is clearly a reprint from some newspaper where the journalist is far from aviation, in general minus the article and not the helicopter
  • Mohomax
    Mohomax 27 March 2013 13: 59 New
    0
    Yes, of course, it’s exaggerated, and yet we can when we want
  • AlNikolaich
    AlNikolaich 27 March 2013 14: 02 New
    0
    I want such a mafia !!!!! Dad Kupiiiii !!!! fellow
  • polly
    polly 27 March 2013 14: 05 New
    +1
    The unprofessionalism of the author of this opus is surprising. It’s just some kind of kindergarten ... I was also immediately struck by “built according to a special scheme” - but do you even bother to find out how this scheme is called this one!
  • rubber_duck
    rubber_duck 27 March 2013 14: 05 New
    +2

    In the south of Russia, Ka-52 helicopters took over duty. The unique combat vehicle is able to perform tasks in all weather conditions and hit targets at a distance of 10 kilometers. According to experts, only a dozen of such helicopters are able to withstand the attack of an entire army.

    The newest helicopter of the Russian Air Force is being mastered in the skies over the Krasnodar Territory - twelve Ka-52 helicopters took over combat duty.


    The fact that this terrible air armada, numbering as many as twelve cars, took up duty - this is undoubtedly a plus! Without any mockery. Is that a couple of questions. Firstly, is the Ka-52 still the “newest helicopter” that is being “mastered”? Secondly, the author says that twelve such helicopters are able to repel an army offensive? That is, six couples stop the advance of the tank army? Did I read it right?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2013 14: 14 New
      +1
      Firstly, is the Ka-52 still the “newest helicopter” that is being “mastered”?

      Yes, mastered. And it will be finished and remade more than once.
      Secondly, the author says that twelve such helicopters are able to repel an army offensive?

      The author is stupid. And does not understand the specifics. He even called the coaxial screw design (a long time ago Kamovites' specialization) special ... For the rest, read above.
    2. TRex
      TRex 27 March 2013 14: 15 New
      -1
      ... six couples stop the advance of the tank army?

      No, not a tank of course. That combined arms - of course, in five seconds.
      But the tank - no, they won’t stop, however ...
      1. Andrey57
        Andrey57 27 March 2013 18: 19 New
        +1
        Combined Arms? I wonder how? - chickens to laugh. The combined arms army, as you put it, will make a sieve out of them, moreover, pretty quickly, unless of course it’s not the “combined arms combined army” of all three Baltic states laughing
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 27 March 2013 19: 03 New
      0
      The part that received the new cars, they are mastered. However, the Ka-52 is still new to the army, so you can talk about it in general.
  • Patriot KK98
    Patriot KK98 27 March 2013 14: 15 New
    +1
    Here she is, here she is the bird of my dreams!
    Here he is, here he is a cool helicopter!
  • Patriot KK98
    Patriot KK98 27 March 2013 14: 26 New
    +3
    And the predecessor of the KA-50 was, right?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2013 14: 34 New
      0
      Yes, it is he. He managed to fight a little, dream in the film, after which their production was discontinued. Failed, saying that one pilot is a drawback and efficiency will be low.
  • Patriot KK98
    Patriot KK98 27 March 2013 14: 29 New
    0
    Here she is, here she is the bird of my dreams!
    Here he is, here he is a cool helicopter!
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 27 March 2013 14: 35 New
    +1
    You read some comments and you wonder how helicopters are so-so, weapons in them do not work in fog and dust, and indeed yesterday - I just don’t understand the wise guys are bad, we have designers and military men who are dumb and illiterate so fucking smart gathered here? They don’t like the article, well, go to the western sites, they smear our technology there just like you do - and hang out there. It is necessary to listen to what the military and engineers say, ours and not clever people from analyzing sites, they read garbage and get smart, confusing others.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 27 March 2013 14: 39 New
      +2
      They criticize not the helicopter, but the article. And the author of the article, for the presentation of material in the style of "what is it called, I do not know, but it is very cool."
      1. Ruslan_F38
        Ruslan_F38 27 March 2013 15: 07 New
        0
        You know, I think that only specialists of a narrow profile (for example, military personnel - technicians or helicopter pilots) who have a direct idea of ​​the topic and not virtual can comment on the article in this way (negatively). Are there any among the commentators? If there are more than 70% of them, I myself am ready to instruct myself as many minuses as I like. Nevertheless, I’m not going to argue or argue anymore - I liked the article.
      2. vladsolo56
        vladsolo56 27 March 2013 15: 22 New
        0
        Just the same, very many come precisely about the machine itself. I know that ardent admirers of mi-28 just hate everything connected with Kamov cars. And Ruslan wrote correctly, everyone considers himself smarter than developers and pilots. cones out of the blue, dvoeshniki half-educated.
    2. evil hamster
      evil hamster 27 March 2013 15: 10 New
      +2
      The cutest little fanaticism in the gaze. The “best” helicopter / tank / airplane / machine gun is the evaluation criteria that are usually used by children of primary school age. The reality is much more complicated, and often the best technique - the one that is here and now, is operational and mastered.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 27 March 2013 14: 48 New
    +2
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    You read some comments and you wonder how helicopters are so-so, weapons in them do not work in fog and dust, and indeed yesterday - I just don’t understand the wise guys are bad, we have designers and military men who are dumb and illiterate so fucking smart gathered here? They don’t like the article, well, go to the western sites, they smear our technology there just like you do - and hang out there. It is necessary to listen to what the military and engineers say, ours and not clever people from analyzing sites, they read garbage and get smart, confusing others.

    Yes, at least put a hundred minuses, this is not what I am doing here, unlike those who do not comment, and earn virtual epaulettes for themselves - OUR HELICOPTERS AND VETLETS THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
    1. Armata
      Armata 27 March 2013 15: 59 New
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      Quote: Ruslan_F38
      OUR HELICOPTERS AND HELICOPTERS ARE THE BEST IN THE WORLD.
      Contradict yourself with this phrase. Just those who are the ones who bother most of all, throw themselves in excess of patriotic phrases and do not see the realities, and there is one who sits here for shoulder straps. Think about it. One more thing. When a person screams that everyone around is dumb, should he take a closer look at himself first of all. There are always fewer idiots than normal people.
  • duchy
    duchy 27 March 2013 14: 50 New
    +1
    Quote: Ruslan_F38
    You read some comments and wonder how helicopters are so-so, weapons in them do not work in fog and dust, and indeed yesterday - I just don’t understand the wise guys are shitty, we have designers and military men, and you are so fuckingly smart are you here? They don’t like the article, well, go to the western sites, they smear our technology there just like you do - and hang out there.

    Well, a person does not catch the normal irony in the posts. hi
    1. Ruslan_F38
      Ruslan_F38 27 March 2013 15: 01 New
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      In matters relating to the security and combat readiness of the country I do not catch))) Or maybe it is not appropriate in these matters? hi
      1. VAF
        VAF 27 March 2013 15: 52 New
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        Quote: Ruslan_F38
        In matters relating to security and combat readiness of the country I do not catch


        I read all your comments ... well, here's what you can understand, not to mention. to know something about security and ... in general, the country's defense capability, but for the army it’s precisely the criterion of combat readiness and combat readiness!

        Would you rather go to the sites of the Bucket. there are all yours fellow rub !!!
    2. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 27 March 2013 15: 23 New
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      Irony? Well, only this is not irony, it is sarcasm, and rather stupid.
  • Executer
    Executer 27 March 2013 15: 08 New
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    Quote: Фкенщь13
    "This is the world's only" attack "helicopter, built according to a special system" what kind of system is this belay , maybe a coaxial circuit rather than a special system.
    "The flight does not depend on the direction of the wind." And others probably only fly in the wind laughing
    "Geostabilized Optoelectronic Station" This is probably so much a secret system that no one even knows what this phrase means laughing This is an optoelectronic guidance system, almost independent of the position of the helicopter in space.
    It seems that the girl wrote an article, well, or a journalist bought his diploma is not expensive. A helicopter, of course, is a handsome devil and menacing good

    But for some reason I did not pay attention to the title of the article ... Is this helicopter a means of defense? I doubt it ...
  • Alexey Prikazchikov
    Alexey Prikazchikov 27 March 2013 15: 55 New
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    To the question of the headline of the article. Somewhere here one of the members of the forum was talking about an Amer mercenary who, on mi 24 alone, stopped an entire army in South America. So anything is possible.
  • gregor6549
    gregor6549 27 March 2013 16: 13 New
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    No doubt. The 52 is a cool machine, but it is not a “wunderwaffe,” it has its own strengths and weaknesses and can very well be “landed” by regular air defense systems and fighter jets. Therefore, with the ability of the 52 spacecraft to withstand the offensive of an entire army, the author, to put it mildly, bent and gave his wishful thinking. Shapkozakidatelstvo business is not very useful there.
  • cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 27 March 2013 16: 30 New
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    Quote: olp
    Geostabilized optoelectronic station.
    scared to imagine what it is

    Guys don't shoot at pianist the author! Well plays writes how can! Well, confused the right angle with the boiling point!
    Talked about gyrostabilizedhe heard geostabilizedwhat a difference in general! (All one, people pick up!)
    But seriously, it’s very annoying, so to speak, to "authors" who, according to the classic "want to show their scholarship", applying terms to the left and right of which they have no idea. In this regard, it is very funny to hear from the" authors "writing on the marine theme about the speed of the ship" at XX knots per hour "! Price list, or oil oil!

    I would like to separately thank Eugene Mechanicfor the nice and interesting news! Good luck to you Zhenya! To you and your colleagues!
    1. Armata
      Armata 27 March 2013 21: 56 New
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      Quote: cool.ya-nikola
      I would like to separately thank Eugene Mechanic, for the pleasant and interesting news! Good luck to you Zhenya! To you and your colleagues!
      Thank you comrad. We are trying for all of us and our families.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 27 March 2013 17: 04 New
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    I am glad that, although in small quantities, Kama cars reached the line troops
    1. sashka
      sashka 27 March 2013 18: 31 New
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      Quote: xomaNN
      I am glad that, although in small quantities, Kama cars reached the line troops

      If they "got" .. And so crawling. Else and in spite of everything .. Rad. Very much..
  • SPACE
    SPACE 27 March 2013 19: 22 New
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    Schaaas, they are hitting minuses, and to hell with him, we are not for the stars on the shoulder straps, we are for the Motherland! I'm coming to you.
    "The Ka-52 helicopter is able to withstand the attack of an entire army"
    Comrades and gentlemen, expert critics, ... And it was just harmless pathos rhetoric. Well, why are you so literal? Not good, oh ...
    Quote: Mechanic
    But to say that KA52 can withstand an entire army without support is the same as saying that the 1 eagle will blow AUG. Or that our T90MS can withstand tank formation with infantry support.

    Here is ento sighted,
    Sayings to help you:
    "Fear has big eyes. Eyes are afraid, but hands are doing. Cheek brings success. Brave, in the mountains he will reach the clouds, cowardly and on a wide staircase do not rise above the roof ....... ..
    It’s better to beat ORLAN than to run a hare. Bad is the Captain who does not dream of drowning the AUG.
    Yes, I myself, this aircraft carrier, will break ...., about the head of those who doubt it.
    Cruiser to your bay:
    ... "Our proud Varangian doesn’t surrender to Vraguuu, nobody wants it"…
    Two outfits in the queue, you, Comrade Yeralal. laughing
    Z.Y. But the helicopter is good and Mi-28 is also the same, but you don’t need to pull the blanket over yourself.
    1. Armata
      Armata 27 March 2013 20: 28 New
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      Quote: SPACE
      "Fear has big eyes. Eyes are afraid, but hands are doing. Cheek brings success. Brave, in the mountains he will reach the clouds, cowardly and on a wide staircase do not rise above the roof ....... ..
      It’s better to beat ORLAN than to run a hare. Bad is the Captain who does not dream of drowning the AUG.
      Nude nude. We are all domestic heroes. Have you ever been at sea? Do you know what a direct collision threat is? Only fools are not afraid. And the same ones say that we are the coolest of all, not seeing what is happening around and how it is bred. Do you know what my father says? If you look into a person’s eyes and don’t see how he is lying to you, then it’s time to buy glasses for yourself.
      1. SPACE
        SPACE 27 March 2013 21: 17 New
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        What is a mechanic?
        Quote: Mechanic
        Nude nude.

        And when I wanted to go to a college for a mechanic, my father told me "you go to an electrician, because you can always make a mechanic out of an electrician, and not vice versa." And the question is why? Said, "Learn to see and understand the invisible, otherwise it will hurt." Was on Navy Day in Sevastopol. They are afraid of a runny nose ... they are afraid of everything else. And we are not made with a finger. Sincerely.
        Z.Y. When the first nickname was registered on the site was an electrician, for some reason it did not pass.
        1. Armata
          Armata 27 March 2013 21: 48 New
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          I know electromechanics, kinematics, electronic control, programming command devices (RC, Siemens, Fanuk, Hadenheim, Fagor), hydraulics, pneumatics. A nickname is only in my main specialty with UPI and candidate. But he wrote about the sea only because 3 of the year served in the Federation Council and was far from sitting on the shore. So do not be measured pisy. And therefore, he wrote, but was it not time for you all to take off your pink glasses and put on corrective glasses?
          1. SPACE
            SPACE 27 March 2013 22: 51 New
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            Quote: Mechanic
            I know electromechanics, kinematics, electronic control, programming command devices (RC, Siemens, Fanuk, Hadenheim, Fagor), hydraulics, pneumatics.

            I appreciate and respect for this. Yes, we also know electro, hydro, pneumatic drives, as well as SEC S7 robotics, mechatronics. On this account, I think we will talk more normally?
            Quote: Mechanic
            So do not be measured pisy. And therefore, he wrote, but was it not time for you all to take off your pink glasses and put on corrective glasses?

            Well, do not pull out your pussy, judging by your knowledge, you are a serious person. Not to face. And do not be offended and it would be time to go down to the ground, I wrote about that, or do you think that you are the most correct?
  • pogis
    pogis 27 March 2013 19: 23 New
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    Maybe it's time to decide which helicopter we need! Or are we awesome rich? MI-28, KA-52, MI-35? Not until ..you! IMHO KA-52 and MI-35!
  • Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 27 March 2013 19: 48 New
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    From the "Video in the topic" it is clear that there is no discipline in this unit. We look at 2:41 where the third warrior in the line holds his hands in the pockets of his jacket when receiving an order from the commander.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 27 March 2013 21: 26 New
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      Not in pockets, but behind. The pilots are a little simpler or something with this matter. And in the VTA the crew in the summer where the thread is "in the steppes" in general in t-shirts and sneakers in the shadow of the planes can not even breathe out from shabashnikov. wink
    2. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 27 March 2013 23: 47 New
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      Quote: Byordovvv1
      From the "Video in the topic" it is clear that there is no discipline in this unit. We look at 2:41 where the third warrior in the line holds his hands in the pockets of his jacket when receiving an order from the commander.

      Do not worry. This is a statement. And it was not convenient for the guys to deceive their compatriots, so they hinted to us with their hands in their pockets that this was all nonsense.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 27 March 2013 22: 04 New
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    Quote: fzr1000
    And in the VTA the crew in the summer where the thread "in the steppes" in general in shirt shorts running in the shadow of the planes can breathe

    I confirm that the main thing is that the combat mission is carried out. In summer, loading in slippers is a sweet deal.
  • Rossmk
    Rossmk 28 March 2013 00: 50 New
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    He is beautiful!
  • stranik72
    stranik72 28 March 2013 22: 06 New
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    Gentlemen KA-52 - advertising, in the Soviet era, this helicopter would have been there, for which it was originally intended, in the naval aviation, and ship. He has very serious limitations on aerobatics, he doesn’t do anything about the whole complex of aerobatics of the slaughterhouse, of course, barrels, loops, etc., but he loses the MI-28 in roll too, and the MI-28 is the only combat helicopter with such a mass in trials in 1997, in my opinion, made a loop. The only catastrophe on MI-28, in Budenovsk, there was nothing to do with the “human factor” technique. In terms of firepower, helicopters are equal, in terms of maneuverability, 28 is better than KA-52. There are still advantages, "but the enemy does not sleep" therefore I shut up. If someone does not agree, let him say which country, besides Russia, has such a helicopter in service and whoever bought it from us abroad, this is an indicator of competitiveness. All