Langoliers vs. Starlink

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Langoliers vs. Starlink

Despite the supposed improvement in relations between Russia and the United States, the situation in Ukraine remains alarming – hardly anyone can reliably predict which way it will turn and at what point.

Donald Trump's aggressive rhetoric towards dictator Zelensky may change to the diametrically opposite the moment he signs the economic agreements he needs, which drive the remnants of "independent" Ukraine into debt slavery. The next step may well be to increase the degree of escalation towards Russia in order to get maximum preferences now from our country.



Back in December last year we talked about the fact that there is no need to follow the path of unilateral de-escalation, on the contrary, right now it is necessary to increase pressure on Ukraine as much as possible – this point of view remains unchanged for the author to this day.

One of the cornerstones that ensures the stability of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) is Elon Musk's Starlink satellite communications. Recently, information has appeared in various sources that SpaceX plans to turn off Starlink communications over the territory of Ukraine, but this information was subsequently refuted by Elon Musk himself.


In addition, Poland stated that it had already paid for the Starlink connection for Ukraine, so there was no reason to turn it off – supposedly, SpaceX would not dare to violate the contract with such a respected client as Poland. Of course, this is nonsense, if Elon Musk had such a desire, then the connection over Ukraine would be turned off, and the money would at best be credited for the use of Starlink by Poland itself over its territory and the territory of other non-belligerent countries.

And the Poles will do nothing - they will only lick the ass of the United States in general, and Donald Trump and Elon Musk in particular, even more diligently, because you can’t change your nature - a lackey is a lackey.

However, we should not hope for the best - we must always consider the worst-case scenario, where our relations with the US not only do not improve, but also significantly worsen, so that Starlink satellites become our legitimate target.

Restrictions


As we have said many times, the main problem with destroying Starlink satellites is that there are too many of them - no anti-satellite missiles surface-to-space class vehicles are in short supply. In addition, SpaceX produces them very quickly and can deploy them into orbit just as quickly using its partially reusable Falcon 9 launch vehicles and, in the near future, fully reusable Starship/Super Heavy.


SpaceX Deploys Starlink Satellites Into Orbit At Massive Speed

We have previously proposed various methods for destroying enemy low-orbit infrastructure. For example, in the material "Kupol-N": ground-based echelon for destroying enemy orbital infrastructure The possibility of using combat laser systems (BLK) "Peresvet" and stationary microwave systems to destroy satellites was considered weapons high power.

However, we do not yet have reliable information that the Peresvet BLKs are capable of solving this problem, and the construction of microwave weapon systems will be delayed, even if the decision to build them is made right now.

Another promising option was considered by the author back in April 2022 in the material "Reaper" will clean up the orbit: you can shoot down Starlink satellites faster than Elon Musk can launch themUnfortunately, at the moment there is no reliable information about the creation of "Reapers" or similar ones.


Concept of the spacecraft (SC) "Reaper"

Reaper-type satellites are armed satellites, which entails two problems. Firstly, armed satellites can only be created by government agencies – no private entities will be allowed to approach this topic. Secondly, Russia has consistently declared its refusal to militarize outer space, although there is no doubt that this is a dead-end path, and illusions will have to be abandoned the moment the United States, which acts without regard for any conventions, announces the creation and deployment of space weapons.

Well, there are ways to bypass these restrictions, which we will talk about today.

Individual approach


Presumably, one of the most well-developed methods of combating enemy satellites is the use of kamikaze satellites, for which a streamlined euphemism has been invented - "inspector satellites", supposedly they will approach enemy satellites purely for the purpose of "taking a look".

Although Russia is currently the leader in the field of creating inspector satellites, the situation may change dramatically in the near future, as private companies, such as American company True Anomaly plans to launch thousands of Jackal satellites into orbit for the US Department of Defense, capable of “inspecting” enemy satellites as part of the Mosaic complex system.


Image of the spacecraft "Jackal"

At the same time, judging by the description, the Shakal spacecraft will be quite complex products, including a radar station, multispectral cameras and other equipment.

It can be assumed that we need a similar solution - an “individual approach” to enemy satellites, but a solution that is much more widespread and has minimal deployment and operating costs.

How can this be ensured?

First, let's come down to earth.

What weapons have become some of the most effective on the battlefield in recent years?

The answer will be uncontested - it's FPV-dronesWith their help, they have already learned to hit almost all types of targets, excluding perhaps jet aircraft and submarines.

Is it possible to adapt “ground” experience to space?

Why not? After all, here on earth, there are quite expensive and complex kamikaze unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), for example, the same UAVs of the Lancet family, but in many cases their tasks can be solved by much simpler, cheaper and mass-produced FPV drones created by small private enterprises using commercially available components and technologies.


The Lancet family of kamikaze UAVs are very effective, but the vast majority of battlefield tasks can be accomplished with much cheaper FPV drones.

The same goes for satellites – not all of them have to be huge, complex and monstrously expensive.

Cubesats


The simplest, cheapest and most easily implemented satellites are the so-called cubesats (CubeSat = cube + satellite) – ultra-small artificial Earth satellites for space exploration, measuring 10x10x10 centimeters and weighing no more than 1,33 kilograms (the basic standard size, called 1U) and even more compact PocketCube satellites measuring 5x5x5 centimeters and weighing up to 250 grams (size 1p). Satellites of the basic 1U size can be combined into 2U (10x10x20 cm) and 3U (10x10x30 cm) clusters.

Most CubeSats are built on some kind of standard chassis frame using standard components – a sort of space “LEGO-Arduino”.


Components for creating cubesats. Image sputnix.ru

Potentially, commercial components used to create CubeSats could form the basis for the creation of interceptor satellites designed to destroy enemy orbital infrastructure..

Such interceptor satellites could be produced in the thousands, even tens of thousands, per year on automated production lines and launched into space in the hundreds in a single launch using a variety of launch vehicles.

Their onboard electronics can be comparable in functionality to those of FPV drones, the body can be covered with materials that reduce the visibility of CubeSats in optical and radar wavelength ranges. A small plasma or ion engine, a miniature shrapnel or cumulative charge - and here our CubeSat interceptor is ready for work.


Pulsed plasma engine for CubeSat-standard devices. Image spacepi.space


The emitting part of an ion microthruster developed at MIT

"The Langoliers"


Many have heard of the "devourers of time and space" from Stephen King's novel of the same name. In our case, cubesat interceptors must "devour" the enemy's orbital infrastructure.

Such systems will have a very low entry threshold, so there is no time to waste, otherwise, while we are talking about peaceful space, everyone and their dog will acquire anti-satellite cubesat interceptors, from Turkey to the Baltic countries.


CubeSat "Oko-π" developed by the Polytechnic University

However, without outside help, they will only be able to organize a series of terrorist attacks against the enemy’s orbital infrastructure, since in order to ensure the clearing of the orbit, not only interceptor cubesats are needed, but also complex ground and space infrastructure.

First of all, these are powerful ground-based tracking devices capable of tracking enemy spacecraft in their orbits, and we also need navigation devices that will allow CubeSats to navigate in space, and we need high-speed communications devices in order to track and adjust their work.

By the way, as we already said earlier in the material Deployment of the Silent Barker satellite constellation is a sign of US preparation for a major war, the United States is already beginning to deploy a segment of orbital infrastructure designed to monitor outer space directly from space.

And it is necessary to launch CubeSats into orbit somehow. In other words, only a limited circle of powers will be able to do this, and all the rest will depend on their will. Even fewer powers will be able to launch thousands of CubeSats at an acceptable cost, and so far there is only one such country - the USA.


How many CubeSats can the Starship/Super Heavy system launch into orbit at once?

What might the attack process look like?

After the launch vehicle enters a given orbit, its satellite ejection system begins to distribute them along given trajectories that are as close as possible to the trajectories of the targets being attacked. The low visibility of CubeSats will result in the enemy not being able to detect the attack in all cases. If this happens, the enemy satellites may try to change the orbit using their own engines.

However, it will not be possible to do this indefinitely. The expected low cost will allow using ten cubesat interceptors to destroy one enemy satellite and still remain in the black in terms of cost.

As they approach, CubeSats can use their own propulsion system to correct their trajectory and approach the target. Final guidance at the final stage can be performed either in a fully automatic mode using data from a built-in video camera using embedded visual signatures of the target, or in a manual mode, following commands from an operator on Earth.

After approaching the minimum range, a miniature cumulative or shrapnel charge is detonated. (by the way, I wonder how a cumulative jet will behave in space?). It is possible that the optimal solution will be a direct collision between the attacking cubesat interceptor and the target; this can only be determined based on the test results.

Conclusions


Regardless of how our relations with the United States develop, Russia needs to intensify its work in the area of ​​maintaining parity in outer space as much as possible.

The Langoliers concept is one of the possible responses to the enemy’s deployment of orbital infrastructure intended for covert or overt military operations against our country.

One of its main advantages is that work on cubesat interceptors can be carried out simultaneously in dozens of scientific teams, both government agencies and private companies. It cannot be ruled out that this work is already being carried out both in Russia and in other countries of the world.

Donald Trump and Elon Musk talk a lot about the need to make peace between Russia and Ukraine, but so far their actions do not really confirm their intentions. Let's say that the new US administration cannot immediately stop the arms supplies launched by "Self-Propelled Joe", but in order to turn off the Starlink satellites over Ukraine, just one strong-willed decision is enough.

By providing communications to the armed forces of dictator Zelensky, the United States makes itself complicit in the crimes he is committing.

It is time to put an end to this before a direct clash between Russia and the United States becomes a reality.

Who knows, maybe a stealthy experimental CubeSat interceptor is already looking at the Starlink satellite with its unblinking eye?
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  1. +12
    27 February 2025 04: 00
    The emitting part of an ion microthruster developed at MIT
    - but this is a product of MIT, not MIPT.
    Potentially, commercial components used to create CubeSats could form the basis for the creation of interceptor satellites designed to destroy enemy orbital infrastructure.
    and how are you going to control this mass of cubesats? No, hypothetically the US can do it via Starlink, but what about other countries? The question here is not so much in detection, identification and convergence (and these are already non-trivial tasks), but in coordinating thousands of cubesats, giving them commands. For the Russian Federation, this is simply technically impossible.
    1. 0
      27 February 2025 08: 58
      Everything should happen autonomously. That's the only way
      1. +3
        27 February 2025 09: 18
        Quote from Beaver.
        Everything should happen autonomously. That's the only way

        Desire must match possibility
        1. -1
          27 February 2025 21: 21
          This opportunity is now available even to students.
          1. 0
            April 20 2025 09: 00
            This opportunity is now available even to students.

            Three cubesats were launched from 2003 to 2016, one of them broke down and was organized in Baumanka. One thing is a satellite performing "beep-beep" functions, another thing is performing active maneuvering and targeting, the first is a sufficiently large power-to-weight ratio and a reserve of working fluid, the second is a long-range radar with high resolution. Well, it does not fit into one kilogram.
      2. +2
        28 February 2025 01: 49
        Quote from Beaver.
        Everything should happen autonomously. That's the only way

        Aha, at the pike's command, at my will, go, cubesats, into orbit yourself!
    2. +1
      27 February 2025 11: 46
      Quote: Puncher
      and how are you going to control this mass of cubesats? The question here is not so much in detection, identification and convergence (and these are already non-trivial tasks), but in coordinating thousands of cubesats, giving them commands.

      By the way, this is an interesting aspect of the fight against satellites.
      It is important to understand that Starlink is, first and foremost, system, and the connection between its parts is its most vulnerable spot. It is enough to disrupt the synchronization of its data and command transmission for it to stop functioning. This is where you need to dig, and not invent ways to deliver shrapnel into orbit.
      1. +6
        27 February 2025 12: 24
        Quote from cpls22
        It is enough to disrupt the synchronization of the transmission of its data and commands.

        This is a very difficult task. Satellites transmit data to a repeater located above via a laser beam, and that one further, where the signal can be grounded. In "space" it is very difficult to interfere with a laser beam.
        1. +3
          27 February 2025 13: 33
          Quote: Puncher
          Satellites transmit data to a repeater located above via a laser beam, and that one further, where the signal can be grounded. In "space" it is very difficult to interfere with a laser beam.

          This is interesting.. But the closer to the repeater located above, the easier it is to block this communication channel. In general, it turns out that to disable hundreds of satellites, it is enough to block a few repeaters?
          This is the direction we need to dig in.
          1. +3
            27 February 2025 15: 23
            Quote from cpls22
            Quote: Puncher
            Satellites transmit data to a repeater located above via a laser beam, and that one further, where the signal can be grounded. In "space" it is very difficult to interfere with a laser beam.

            This is interesting.. But the closer to the repeater located above, the easier it is to block this communication channel. In general, it turns out that to disable hundreds of satellites, it is enough to block a few repeaters?
            This is the direction we need to dig in.

            What prevents the "system" from restructuring?
            Or do you think that Starlink is staffed by idiots who only design one algorithm and one business process?
            In any American project, work is carried out according to the system of "non-", "Risk Management"
            Moreover, before the design began.
            There is a connection with the translators - what do we do? There is no connection with the translators - what do we do?
            And so it is at every stage.
            Criticism of any stage. Hundreds of problems are voiced in 4 degrees of importance and possibility of obtaining.

            Managing yesterday's, today's and potential risks is a must in the design of such global systems.
            Even up to the appearance of aliens - yeah, and I'm not kidding. It's also being worked out.
            1. -1
              27 February 2025 16: 03
              It's hard to satisfy all these "ifs". It's like military acceptance requirements regarding the equipment's operability in a temperature range beyond normal conditions. However, the Starlink network was originally conceived as a commercial project, not a military one.
              It wouldn't hurt to test its strength in this regard.
              I mean synchronization of communication.
              1. +3
                27 February 2025 16: 17
                Quote from cpls22
                It's hard to satisfy all these "ifs". It's like military acceptance requirements regarding the equipment's operability in a temperature range beyond normal conditions. However, the Starlink network was originally conceived as a commercial project, not a military one.
                It wouldn't hurt to test its strength in this regard.
                I mean synchronization of communication.


                Military acceptance is the worst control.
                Just take my word for it.

                Your decision-making system is "non-project-based".

                You write "hard to please".
                Simply because you don’t understand the modern design system itself.
                Especially commercial.
                This is how you can rip off the military, and there are examples of this both here and there - every 4-5th product.
                in commerce in a long-term project - they won’t give you that.
                First comes the idea. It doesn't matter whose idea it is. A general's, a gamer's kid's, a computer game programmer's.
                Then this idea turns into a "concept". A battlefield of critics and risk seekers, with smart engineers.
                then the "concept" turns into architecture, which describes the mechanisms of all risks and their overcoming and prevention. These are technical, technological, task-oriented and forecasts.
                and only then do designers come into play, who, like "coders" in programming, simply carry out the assigned tasks. The results of their actions are rechecked for risks at each stage.

                And not like us, give us money, we'll do something. And don't interfere with us, we're having a mental process here. We're designers. And then "well, I couldn't do it"...
                1. -1
                  27 February 2025 16: 29
                  Quote: SovAr238A

                  The mechanisms of all risks and their overcoming and prevention are described. These are technical, technological, task-related and forecasts.
                  The results of the actions of which are rechecked for risks at each stage.

                  There is still a difference in predicting the risks of equipment failure due to technical reasons or as a result of targeted impact. I doubt that this case was seriously taken into account. In addition, we are not talking about completely disabling the system; it probably has resources and functions for self-recovery. Here you are right, of course. But for a successful operation, it is sometimes enough to disable an important enemy system for a while, or to have the ability to do this regularly.
                2. osp
                  +1
                  27 February 2025 19: 32
                  So when the military acceptance accepts a rivet, for example, this rivet costs not 12 rubles, but 100-120 rubles. As if it had "special" military properties.
                  And these rivets are supplied only within the framework of defense orders as military products.
                  Moreover, the Customer can demand that the manufacturer purchase the most expensive metal for the production of these rivets.
                  That's how things are there.
                  We have plenty of military acceptance, that is, a system of military representations.
                  Even in those factories where electronic components are made or wires that go to the defense industry, these military representatives sit.
                  The work is not dusty.
          2. +1
            27 February 2025 18: 04
            Quote from cpls22
            In general, it turns out that to disable hundreds of satellites it is enough to block a few repeaters?

            Partially so. The Starlink satellite can transmit itself to a ground station if there is one (that's how the system worked at the beginning) or transmit via laser communication to a special repeater located 600 km away, which then transmits to where it is possible to ground the signal. Disabling the repeater will worsen the system's operation, but not 100%.
      2. 0
        27 February 2025 17: 24
        This is where we need to dig, not invent ways to deliver shrapnel into orbit.

        Why not! Only space shrapnel - like light plates of several grams. Such shrapnel can be launched into space to the necessary orbits, where Starlinks fly, tens of millions of pieces. Gradually these pieces of metal will be eaten by Starlinks. And the orbit will be empty for a long time until the shrapnel falls to the ground.
        1. 0
          27 February 2025 19: 43
          The coordinates of the shrapnel will be calculated and the orbit will be raised 20 km higher.
        2. +1
          27 February 2025 19: 49
          Quote: Alexey Lantukh
          . Gradually these pieces of metal will be eaten by the Starlinks. And the orbit will be empty for a long time until the shrapnel falls to the ground.

          If the orbit is in the same direction, they will hang there until they fall, without ever meeting the target. If the orbit is a counter-orbit, the first satellite to come across will eat up, take on the entire charge. In the case where the orbits intersect, the probability of a precise hit is very small. This is just a brief amateur's view of the problem, but imagine how many more nuances there are? Here, comrade SovAr238A (Al) has described the dubiousness of this idea quite well, and I agree with him.
      3. +1
        April 20 2025 09: 10
        It is enough to disrupt the synchronization of the transmission

        Such systems are initially network-centric (communication of all with all through neighbors) and their final decommissioning is only possible when all satellites are destroyed. StarLink was built taking into account the continuous loss of some satellites when they leave low orbit.
  2. -2
    27 February 2025 04: 09
    In addition, Poland stated that it had already paid for the Starlink connection for Ukraine, so there was no reason to turn it off – supposedly, SpaceX would not dare to violate the contract with such a respected client as Poland. Of course, this is nonsense, if Elon Musk had such a desire, then the connection over Ukraine would be turned off, and the money would at best be credited for the use of Starlink by Poland itself over its territory and the territory of other non-belligerent countries.


    Poland just ordered another 5000 Starlinks for Ukraine. Secondly, Musk has already denied plans to close. At the moment, he is making money on this whole business and doing it very well. And as long as he is making money, nothing will change in this regard.

    There is a solution implemented by the Ministry of Digitalization. We are ordering another five thousand Starlinks - they are already on order. They have already been partially paid for and will also be sent to Ukraine," Krzysztof Gawkowski said on TVN 24. He emphasized that they will reach Ukraine in the "coming weeks."
    The minister recalled that 25 thousand people are currently "working" in Ukraine. Starlink kits. "Today, Poland supports the Internet in Ukraine. Starlinks provides the Internet and security in the civil and military spheres. Thanks to this, the front is holding up," he added.
    1. 0
      27 February 2025 05: 33
      I wonder, if the Russian Ministry of Defense officially requests an evaluation, or even a full batch of tens of thousands of terminals, how will the Americans react now?
      1. -1
        27 February 2025 06: 39
        Quote from: dmiitriy
        I wonder, if the Russian Ministry of Defense officially requests an evaluation, or even a full batch of tens of thousands of terminals, how will the Americans react now?
        Alas, sanctions. I would like to hope that Putin will not allow himself to be talked into ending the SVO without immediately lifting all sanctions, including those that preceded the SVO.
        1. +6
          27 February 2025 08: 46
          They will cancel it, and then what? Continue to live again relying on foreign technologies and look around fearfully - what if they introduce it again?
          We need to develop our own production.
          1. +7
            27 February 2025 09: 00
            Quote: Rostislav
            Continue living again with reliance on foreign technologies
            It's better to rely on Western ones than on Chinese ones. After all, a considerable part of import substitution is carried out by re-sticking Chinese stickers onto Russian ones.

            Quote: Rostislav
            We need to develop our own production.
            Who would object? But in terms of technology, Russia has rolled back from the 1980s to the 1930s, when they developed their own production by purchasing Western equipment. In the 1980s, they already knew how to make their own equipment (and not for all items), but, alas, the competencies have been lost, and they have to be developed again almost from scratch.
          2. +2
            27 February 2025 10: 48
            Quote: Rostislav

            We need to develop our own production.

            Have you seen much of "your own production" in the last 30 years? Maybe computers, mobile phones, TVs? Or civilian aircraft? Or cars? Or high-density chips? Maybe the clothing and shoe industry has started working at full capacity using domestic raw materials? These are rhetorical questions, but it is most likely impossible to eliminate a 30-year lag. Rhetoric in the style of "we'll catch up and overtake" will remain for the hobos, but I'm in my eighties and have some experience observing reality.
            And don't believe Mitrofnov's ridiculous fantasies about ion engines. He is not an engineer and can't count. Let's do the math ourselves. The M. V. Keldysh Research Center (formerly RNII, NII-1, NIITP) has developed and manufactured a prototype of the high-power ion engine ID-500. Its parameters are as follows: power 32-35 kW, thrust 375-750 mN, specific impulse 70000 m/s, efficiency 0,75.
            In total, we have: the specific thrust of the engine is 10 mN/kW. Let the cubesite have an insignificant mass - 10 kg. Then, with a power supply of 1,3 kW, the acceleration of motion a will be a = f / m = 0.01 (n) / 10 = 0,001 m / s / s, i.e. 1 mm / s. In 86 hours, the speed will change by 1,3 m / s. Where can we get a continuous power source of 1 kW? This can only be a solar battery. The power of solar radiation in space is approximately 30 kW / m sq., the efficiency of the battery is about 4%, hence a battery of 5 square meters is needed. And we also need to power the onboard equipment and orientation systems - separately for solar panels, separately for the engines. In total, there will be at least 10 square meters. Further, the satellite is alternately on the night and then on the day side of the orbit - and then the batteries are deployed up to 10 square meters. In addition to these huge "ears", we also need a receiver, a transmitter, an on-board computer, a reserve of working fluid for the engine, the engine itself, weapons... No, we can't fit into XNUMX kg. If we increase the mass, this will entail an increase in the launch cost, will require an increase in the size of the "ears", an increase in visibility...
            Now – about “cheapness”. The working fluid of the ionizer is xenon, its price is about $13/l of gas, or $2240/kg. By the way, for storage you need a cylinder, a reducer – and this is also weight.
            They might say: the ISS orbit is being adjusted, and the satellites too. But it's mainly about maintaining altitude, not about moving; the ISS is supplied with fuel and working fluid from Earth. The adjustment of satellite orbits continues for months, and the "ears" of the solar panels there are wow."
            The Russian megawatt-class electric transport system, which was trumpeted on every corner three years ago, assumed an onboard reactor with a thermal capacity of 3000 kW, very compact. And xenon reserves comparable to the annual world production. And a thrust of only 1 kgf…
            Р'РѕС ‚Рё РґСѓРјР ° йте.
            By the way, the destruction of each Starlink device is equivalent to declaring war on America: such devices are never “Ukrainian”, they fly and operate around the entire Earth.
            1. +3
              27 February 2025 20: 12
              prototype of high-power ion engine ID-500
              they don't put them on cubesats, for the purposes of the article, by and large, you shouldn't worry about efficiency, say, a kilometer of characteristic velocity when launched into the desired orbit
              The working fluid of the ionizer is xenon, its price is about $13/l of gas, or $2240/kg.
              Smart people like Musk use argon. There is a topic of correcting orbit using jet propulsion, accelerating that extremely rarefied ionosphere, which is called space. CubeSat can be sent to Mars. In general, it is possible to make a kamikaze CubeSat.
              The destruction of every Starlink device is tantamount to a declaration of war on America
              and that's another question, testicle strength. How much are Americans willing to lose for one satellite? But our current rulers would rather sell ore for the production of American military satellites cheaply, and maybe even shells
            2. +1
              28 February 2025 00: 58
              astepanov
              Let's do the math ourselves.
              Excellent engineering calculation - the author is firmly in the subject, and political coverage!!! Respect Alexey!!! High bar, and this is just off the top of my head!!. 5+++
            3. 0
              1 March 2025 11: 36
              astepanov(Alexey), hello.
              by working fluid - everyone is switching from xenon to cheaper ones - krypton - at least 10 times cheaper.
              Several gas separation plants have recently been built (Blagoveshchensk, Ust-Luga), one of the plants is next to the cosmodrome.
              The Russian megawatt-class electric transport system, which was being trumpeted on every corner three years ago, assumed an on-board reactor with a thermal capacity of 3000 kW.
              The launch year was set several years ago - 2030.
              the reactor for display stood for a whole year at the VDNKh exhibition in 2023-24. silence in the press - this is how it should be for any new weapon/development.

              And xenon reserves comparable to the world's annual production. And the pull of everything 1 kgf…
              A MINIMUM of five different engines are being developed for it (not power classes!, but different design bureaus, different WAYS and PRINCIPLES of plasma acceleration), since the tugs will operate 1. in orbit 2. Earth-Moon 3. beyond the Moon (Jupiter, Saturn-Enceladus). The economic component and engine operating time are different everywhere. Xenon is not mentioned anywhere. Argon, krypton, iodine.
              If tugs will be running between the Earth and the Moon, that's one thing, but if it reaches the Moon and enters orbit, like a generator!! - that's different. somewhere it will be necessary to regulate the thrust/specific impulse, somewhere engines will not be needed at all and the arrival speed is not important.
              and by the speed of plasma emission - there already much more than 200.000 km / s
          3. +2
            28 February 2025 00: 29
            Quote: Rostislav
            They will cancel it, and then what? Continue to live again relying on foreign technologies and look around fearfully - what if they introduce it again?
            We need to develop our own production.

            They don't cancel. I just left the article and immediately saw the article:
            Trump Extends US Anti-Russian Sanctions Over Ukraine for Another Year
            https://topwar.ru/260234-tramp-prodlil-esche-na-god-vvedennye-ssha-iz-za-ukrainy-antirossijskie-sankcii.html - так что американский бульдозер заднего хода не дал или вообще не имеет. Ему бы "медвежью яму" приготовить...
  3. +3
    27 February 2025 04: 42
    As a result of such activity, the near-Earth space of our planet will be littered with debris and non-working space junk, so that space flights with exits into space will be impossible... or associated with a high risk of collision. request
    A bad prospect for human civilization.
    1. +4
      27 February 2025 05: 19
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      will be littered with debris and non-functioning space junk so that space flights with exits into space will be impossible

      Nonsense. The orbit of the Starlink satellites requires regular activation of the correction engines in order to stay there and not fall onto the planet. Accordingly, "garbage" is a temporary matter. This is the first thing. The second is the volume in which they fly. Starlink satellites fly in orbits from 340 to 600 km. It is easy to calculate the volume, it will be approximately 177 million km3. There are approximately 7 thousand satellites. You can calculate the density of satellites for this volume.
      Now compare. At a height of 5 to 10 km. approximately 20 thousand aircrafts constantly fly, this is in the volume of 2,6 million km3. Calculate the density and compare.
      And when they show you a "scary picture" in which it is difficult to see the planet Earth behind the drawn dots (which are supposed to represent a satellite) and start whining about the pollution of the planet's orbit, you can safely spit in the face of such an idiot.
      1. +2
        27 February 2025 05: 33
        It is easy to calculate the volume, it will be approximately 177 million km3. There are approximately 7 thousand satellites. You can calculate the density of satellites for this volume.

        Now there are 7 thousand of them...in 10 years there will be 70...in 000 years 100 million...and so on...and you think that progress will forever remain at the number seven thousand.
        You can safely spit in such an idiot's face.

        Of course you can spit at it... but the spit might fly back.
        At an altitude of 5 to 10 km, approximately 20 thousand aircraft are constantly flying, this is a volume of 2,6 million km3

        Yeah, they fly...recently an American pilot with a lot of experience managed to crash into a civilian plane...a tragedy happened, people died. Calculations with the density of flights did not affect this collision of aircraft in any way.
        Now imagine if there were many times more aircraft in the air...the probability of a collision would increase in the same progression.
        1. 0
          27 February 2025 06: 02
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          in 100 years 7 million...

          Is this your accurate forecast or a guess?
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          in 10 years there will be 70

          Let's assume. What will this change radically? There will be 177 thousand satellites for 3 million km70, one for 2,5 million km3. No room to squeeze through?
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          .recently an American pilot

          After that, all air travel was closed? Planes no longer fly?
          1. -4
            27 February 2025 06: 07
            I'm a couch warrior...not a weather forecaster. smile
            There is simple mathematics that allows us to some extent to predict the events that are taking place.
            Of course, after incidents, all flights are not banned... each air accident is investigated, conclusions are made, the causes are eliminated and flights continue... this is how it was, is and will be. smile
          2. 0
            28 February 2025 17: 50
            You're not very good at arithmetic, there are still a lot of unaccounted zeros. It's tedious to calculate not in units/km², but in the probability of a collision.
      2. 0
        27 February 2025 10: 24
        Quote: Puncher
        Now compare. At a height of 5 to 10 km. approximately 20 thousand aircrafts constantly fly, this is in the volume of 2,6 million km3. Calculate the density and compare.

        Constantly controlled and tracked aircraft, the fragments of which, if anything happens, fall to the ground within a few minutes, and do not continue to fly in an expanding cone in orbit.
        Just imagine that the debris of all the aircraft destroyed in the air is spinning for a month or two at an altitude of 5-10 km from the ground.
        1. 0
          27 February 2025 11: 08
          Quote: Alexey RA
          The aircraft orbit for a month or two at an altitude of 5-10 km from the ground

          There will be difficulties for aviation. But between 177 million km3 and 2,6 million km3 the difference is huge.
      3. 0
        6 March 2025 18: 34
        After such an attack, other countries will respond, and there will be no satellites left, either ours or not. And near space will be unusable for many years, at the moment there are already 28 million pieces of garbage larger than 1 mm and 34 thousand pieces larger than 10 cm in near space at the moment, and their number increases every year without any military actions in orbit.
    2. +2
      27 February 2025 07: 52
      As a result of such activity, the near-Earth space of our planet will be littered with debris and non-working space junk, so that space flights with exits into space will be impossible... or associated with a high risk of collision. request
      A bad prospect for human civilization.

      I'll just say, I don't care. People are dying like flies here, and you're worried about some kind of future for humanity.
  4. +3
    27 February 2025 04: 51
    Isn't it easier and safer to put EW jammers into close orbits? There is no violation of international standards, a smaller number is required, although larger satellites, but we do not breed garbage in orbit, while turning on and turning off the EW. It is even possible not to jam everything, but specifically over the place where we need. In this case, in addition to the guaranteed suppression zone, there will be a zone of poor, unstable signal, and this also means failures, delays and lags. In addition, with the right equipment, it is possible to jam not only Starlink, but also other reconnaissance, military, and commercial satellites over a given territory. In extreme cases, what prevents using a directed electromagnetic pulse on satellites, it may or may not destroy them, but it will definitely lead to a failure and reboot of the system.
    These are just sketches, without details, if anything... hi
    1. bar
      +7
      27 February 2025 06: 23
      Quote: jonht
      Isn't it easier and safer to deploy electronic warfare jammers into close orbits?

      In order for jammers to be constantly present over the required territory, there must be as many of them as there are starlinks. With our Roscosmos, this is the same hohland as all the thoughts of the author of the article.
    2. fiv
      +1
      27 February 2025 06: 30
      Jam over that place - put into geostationary orbit. From 30000 km. Transmitter power - tens of kW. We will jam the national economy by creating such a group. It is cheaper to jam those who receive Starlink signals. On the ground.
    3. -5
      27 February 2025 08: 06
      The best jammer in orbit is a nuclear bomb. Or a neutron bomb. I wonder how resistant the Muscovite satellites are to this kind of EMP, as well as to the neutron flux?
      1. +4
        27 February 2025 08: 29
        The best jammer in orbit is a nuclear bomb.
        A practically useless product. It will only destroy what is in the immediate vicinity. The main damaging factors such as shock waves, penetrating radiation and radioactive contamination do not work at all in space. EMP will not spread far, unless you make a special explosive magnetic generator with nuclear pumping, but it works very indiscriminately.
        1. 0
          27 February 2025 10: 27
          Quote: Ua3qhp
          The main damaging factors such as shock waves, penetrating radiation and radioactive contamination do not work at all in space.

          Starfish Prime. Direct damage from the explosion - only 3 satellites. And another 7 failed later due to the degradation of electronics under the influence of the increased radiation belt.
          One explosion - minus a third of low-orbit spacecraft.
          1. +2
            27 February 2025 12: 20
            Direct damage from the explosion - only 3 satellites. And another 7 failed later due to the degradation of electronics under the influence of the increased radiation belt.
            The radius of a solid defeat of a 100 kT charge is unlikely to be more than 5 km. Gamma pulse only at the moment of explosion. No radiation belts will be strengthened, not the same scale. And the effect of radiation on electronics is greatly exaggerated. And that's it. What got into this radius will be destroyed, and there is space and the distances between satellites are corresponding. 500 km between satellites is close. So - one shot - one satellite, the rest will not even notice. Especially those that were hidden over the horizon.
            1. 0
              27 February 2025 12: 34
              Quote: Ua3qhp
              Gamma pulse only at the moment of explosion. No radiation belts will be strengthened, not the same scale.

              Once again. Starfish Prime is a real experiment on detonating a 1,44 Mt SBC at an altitude of 400 km, conducted by the USA in 1962. And the failure of 7 satellites is a real result of a real experiment.
              1. DO
                +1
                27 February 2025 14: 17
                Quote: Alexey RA
                Starfish Prime is a real experiment on detonating a 1,44 Mt SBC at an altitude of 400 km, conducted by the USA in 1962. And the failure of 7 satellites is a real result of a real experiment.

                How many satellites were in Earth orbit in 1962, and in what orbits? And how many now? What damage would be done to the Starlink satellite constellation if an anti-satellite nuclear charge were used adequately?
                1. +1
                  27 February 2025 16: 30
                  Quote: DO
                  How many satellites were in Earth orbit in 1962, and in what orbits? And how many now?

                  And I also gave relative figures for Starfish Prime:
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  One explosion - minus a third of low-orbit spacecraft.

                  Quote: DO
                  What damage would be done to the Starlink satellite constellation if an anti-satellite nuclear warhead were used properly?

                  The problem is that the damage will be done to the entire low-orbit group. Radiation does not distinguish between nationalities - American, European, Chinese and Russian satellites (the same "Cosmos" "Liana") will be out of order.
                  So this is a weapon of last chance, when there is nothing left to lose.
                  1. DO
                    +2
                    27 February 2025 17: 43
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    Radiation does not discriminate between nationalities - American, European, Chinese and Russian satellites (the same "Cosmos" and "Liana") will fail.
                    So this is a weapon of last chance, when there is nothing left to lose.

                    Russian satellites (the same "Cosmos" "Liana") will most likely be disabled by the Americans as soon as things get hot.
                    Yes, you are right, non-selective nuclear anti-satellite weapons should be used only when there is a high probability of an exchange of strategic nuclear strikes.
                    But it was possible to use selective anti-satellite weapons (for example, blinding optics with Peresvets, and without much advertising) a long time ago, with the first facts of the transmission of intelligence to the Ukrainian Armed Forces from Western satellite groups. It is high time to selectively disable the Starlink satellites used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces for communications and control of the BEC. However, here it is necessary to solve the technical problem of beam weapons (airborne, or placed on the warhead of ballistic missiles launched and landing on Russian territory).
                    The next possible stage of the current escalation is border provocations by NATO countries in western Russia. And then God himself commands to work on at least NATO military satellites (the US had 2021 of them in 154). Because here it is a stone's throw to massive missile attacks on Russian territory by NATO navies, according to the Yugoslav scenario.
                  2. +1
                    27 February 2025 21: 31
                    Quote: Alexey RA
                    So this is a weapon of last chance, when there is nothing left to lose.

                    Or when the enemy has tens of thousands of modern satellites, and you have several dozen on last century electronics. A very profitable exchange, especially if you prepare your critical infrastructure in advance to turn off space communications and other things.
                    1. 0
                      28 February 2025 10: 26
                      Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                      Or when the enemy has tens of thousands of modern satellites, and you have several dozen on last century electronics. A very profitable exchange, especially if you prepare your critical infrastructure in advance to turn off space communications and other things.

                      No, this is the last chance. Because with such a strike, all countries, not just the enemy, are deprived of their low-orbit grouping. And then, in the best case, there will be a complete blockade and embargo, from everyone, without any shadow fleets, gray schemes, etc. In the worst case, there will be a joint peace enforcement by NATO forces and former neutrals, including China.
                      So such removal of satellites can be arranged only when the arrows on the cover of a famous magazine show one minute to twelve.
              2. 0
                6 March 2025 18: 43
                Compare the electronics of 1962 with modern space electronics, which were designed and manufactured, among other things, taking into account the tests that were carried out.
                1. 0
                  6 March 2025 19: 26
                  Quote from: vlad575nso
                  Compare the electronics of 1962 with modern space electronics, which were designed and manufactured, among other things, taking into account the tests that were carried out.

                  Are you talking about commercial Starlinks, where the manufacturer fought for every cent and every gram? Or about their Chinese counterparts, exactly the same? wink
  5. +3
    27 February 2025 05: 01
    We should not discuss the benefits and harms of the communication systems provided to the Nazis by a private structure, but rather get down to the business of putting this structure out of action... Space is not a field of activity for private experimenters. We are already familiar with this phenomenon. If in the world money is printed in government structures, then in the USA there is the Federal Reserve System for this, which is not a government agency.
    It is time to involve allies (enemies of our enemies) in this program of inspector satellites. Because soon it may affect them too. And what have we received today? Communications and weapons from private companies are coming from the USA, and the USA itself is supposedly on the sidelines...
    It's time to set priorities for Russia - if they harm us, you will suffer harm... And I don't care who did it and at whose instigation.
    * * *
    Today we have a blown up gas pipeline and a bankrupt structure associated with gas exports...Today we are asking for permission to participate in international competitions...They stopped letting us into international meetings...Tomorrow we will ask for permission to launch our satellites into space.
    * * *
    Maybe it's enough to talk about those frozen three hundred billion, and just stupidly print this money one for one... I suppose there are craftsmen of this profile in Russia... feel
    1. 0
      27 February 2025 05: 27
      Quote: yuriy55
      It's time to bring our allies (the enemies of our enemies) into this program of inspector satellites.
      North Korea and Iran? Funny.
      Quote: yuriy55
      Maybe it's enough to talk about those frozen three hundred billion, and just stupidly print this money one for one...

      Print 300 billion US dollars? Or rubles at the exchange rate? If the first, then what's the point, no one in the world will accept them, we'll only waste resources on making counterfeits. If the second, then it will be like Germany in 1923.
      1. 0
        27 February 2025 11: 42
        Quote: Puncher
        If the second, it will be like in Germany in 1923.

        Don't scare me. Germany paid reparations in 1923.
        1. -1
          27 February 2025 12: 33
          Quote: Alexey Sommer
          Don't scare me. Germany paid reparations in 1923.

          The analogy is not direct. But throwing tens of trillions of rubles into circulation will drive inflation sky-high.
          1. 0
            27 February 2025 12: 38
            Quote: Puncher
            The analogy is not direct. But throwing tens of trillions of rubles into circulation will drive inflation sky-high.

            I don't think it reaches the sky.
            Russia's GDP in 2024 will be under 200 trillion.
            And if you spend them in a targeted way, and over 5 years, then it will have almost no effect at all.
  6. +3
    27 February 2025 05: 39
    Another "Mitrofanovism". It will be possible to destroy the "Starlink" satellites, as well as any other satellites of the USA or NATO countries, only in the event of a new world war. And if such a day of the Apocalypse comes, then no one will waste thousands of anti-satellite missiles. They will simply detonate several (I think 4-5 units will be enough) specialized thermonuclear bombs in near-earth space and burn out all electronics both in orbit and partially on the surface of the earth with an electromagnetic pulse (EMP).
    And there will be happiness for everyone
    1. 0
      27 February 2025 07: 44
      Quote: Amateur
      They will simply detonate several (I think 4-5 units will be enough) specialized thermonuclear bombs in near-Earth space and burn out all electronics with an electromagnetic pulse (EMP) as in orbit

      Yes For now, this is the only real way...Only in this case, our own satellites can be destroyed and our missiles will fly anywhere...
      1. +2
        27 February 2025 09: 05
        Quote: yuriy55
        For now, this is the only real way...Only in this case, our own satellites can be destroyed and our missiles will fly anywhere...

        And also the satellites of China, India and other neutrals. Which after this will not be neutrals at all
        1. -2
          27 February 2025 10: 30
          Quote: BlackMokona
          And also the satellites of China, India and other neutrals. Which after this will not be neutrals at all

          What neutrals can there be with such input?
          Quote: Amateur
          It will only be possible to destroy the Starlink satellites, like any other US or NATO satellites, in the event of a new world war.
          1. +1
            27 February 2025 13: 29
            Quote: Alexey RA
            What neutrals can there be with such input?

            In both the first and second world wars, there was a huge pile of neutrals.
            1. 0
              6 March 2025 19: 32
              Quote: BlackMokona
              In both the first and second world wars, there was a huge pile of neutrals.

              In the Third World War, none of the participants will need China or India with nuclear weapons and a billion population, who can join the enemy at any moment or even become a hegemon in the post-nuclear world. So, I'm afraid that I will crush the teapots before they become steam locomotives.
  7. 0
    27 February 2025 06: 07
    Conclusions
    Regardless of how our relations with the United States develop, Russia needs to intensify its work in the area of ​​maintaining parity in outer space as much as possible.
    The obvious and not so incredible!
    The better you are prepared for various "surprises", the less often they will happen... especially when you start sending a REPLY immediately and specifically.
  8. -1
    27 February 2025 06: 25
    To shoot down a satellite in low orbit, a rocket capable of vertical takeoff to that altitude is sufficient. This task is three orders of magnitude simpler than launching the satellites themselves.
    The movements of the satellites are known with an accuracy of centimeters, make a head weighing several kilograms for guidance - and at the right height, at the right time, it will be thrown by a missile like the Buk missiles or a little larger (the Buks themselves have a much heavier warhead).
    And the production of such solid-fuel rockets can be easily set up on automatic lines.
    1. +2
      27 February 2025 06: 26
      Ground-based lasers will do nothing to satellites; it would be good if they even noticed radiation from the ground without special devices.
      1. -2
        27 February 2025 07: 48
        Quote: NG inform
        Ground-based lasers will do nothing to satellites; it would be good if they even noticed radiation from the ground without special devices.

        What if we launch a satellite with a nuclear power plant and the task of burning these satellites on its way? And then we can direct it to the Sun...
        1. +1
          27 February 2025 09: 06
          Quote: yuriy55
          What if we launch a satellite with a nuclear power plant and the task of burning these satellites on its way? And then we can direct it to the Sun...

          A nuclear-powered satellite fires once. That's the technology.
          And if with a nuclear reactor, then very expensive. And then the ground-to-space rocket will blow it away. For example, SM-3
    2. 0
      27 February 2025 09: 02
      I'm an amateur in this matter, but does a small rocket really have enough fuel to fly into space? And vertically too?
      1. +6
        27 February 2025 10: 01
        It's just easy to fly up.
        The main task of a space rocket is to accelerate to at least 7-8 kilometers per second to enter a low orbit. This is an exponentially difficult task, so such rockets are high-tech at the limit of what is possible.
        And a rocket taking off upwards to intersect orbits with a satellite needs to have a speed of zero kilometers per hour at an altitude of 300-400. Even a screw hanging in the satellite's path will destroy it - it will be cooler than a hit from a tank shell.
        In particular, this is connected with the joke of Gagarin's flight - who flew in a fair orbit, and the American Sheppard, who simply jumped up to space, but did not enter orbit - achievements of different classes.
        1. 0
          27 February 2025 12: 36
          Quote: NG inform
          Even a screw hanging in the satellite's path will destroy it.

          Yeah, all that's left is to make sure the screw hits the satellite and doesn't fly 300 km away from it.
          1. 0
            28 February 2025 01: 42
            This is not a problem at all now, especially since no one on the ground interferes with the radars.
            1. 0
              28 February 2025 03: 18
              Quote: NG inform
              This is not a problem at all now, especially since no one on the ground interferes with the radars.

              A controlled cog? Are you serious?
              1. +1
                28 February 2025 04: 35
                I said that the satellite would destroy even a propeller that hit it (at a speed of 7+ km per second, which is approximately the same as a cumulative jet).
                The missile simply needs to reach the intersection point, which is possible because we know how to control missiles, and we know the satellite’s trajectory with an accuracy of centimeters, and we have radars to track the trajectory of an anti-satellite missile.
                1. +1
                  28 February 2025 04: 44
                  Quote: NG inform
                  The missile simply needs to reach the intersection point, which is possible because we know how to control missiles, and we know the satellite's trajectory with an accuracy of centimeters, and we have radars to track the trajectory of the anti-satellite missile.

                  Oh, how... All that's left is to design a rocket and churn out at least 10 of them.
                  1. +1
                    28 February 2025 05: 18
                    Well, yes, well, Russia doesn’t know how to make simple missiles at all (compared to the S-300).
                    The requirements for air defense missiles are much higher than those for which you simply need to launch them to the desired coordinates under simple conditions.
                    By the way, students throw their missiles 140 km up (150 kg). S-300 missiles weigh 10 times more, but they pull a warhead + old equipment weighing about 200 kg. By reducing the weight to 10 kg (receiver + maneuvering engines) - they will throw the interceptor up to 1000+ km. That is, even a missile can be taken smaller, so that more can be done. And the lack of dynamics can be compensated by a series of positional areas.
        2. -1
          27 February 2025 21: 25
          I read somewhere that the screw is too small. It will evaporate when passing through the satellite foil screen. Maybe the author picked it, of course.
  9. -1
    27 February 2025 06: 52
    A nuclear explosion in space and its electromagnetic pulse solves the problem and equalizes the odds for everyone.
  10. -6
    27 February 2025 06: 58
    Wouldn't it be easier to hack Musk's codes and disable Starlink in Ukraine ourselves?
    1. +1
      27 February 2025 09: 10
      Quote: man in the street
      Wouldn't it be easier to hack Musk's codes and disable Starlink in Ukraine ourselves?

      Musk is on first-name terms with cybersecurity. That's why all attempts by hackers around the world to hack his companies have ended in invariable failure.
      1. 0
        27 February 2025 09: 37
        Quote: BlackMokona
        Musk is on first-name terms with cybersecurity.

        Any physical destruction of satellites is a declaration of war. Any system can be hacked, if you want to. If you can't hack it, buy access codes. Anything will be cheaper than creating something that can't be created.
        1. +2
          27 February 2025 13: 29
          Quote: man in the street
          Any physical destruction of satellites is a declaration of war. Any system can be hacked, if you want to. If you can't hack it, buy access codes. Anything will be cheaper than creating something that can't be created.

          Who to buy from? Musk?
  11. -1
    27 February 2025 07: 28
    and eventually litter all of outer space with garbage and satellite debris.
  12. +4
    27 February 2025 07: 33
    You read such articles by armchair analysts and you are amazed... Why write that we have THIS, but it doesn't work, we have THAT, but it doesn't seem to exist ))) From which one conclusion follows: we only have balls and a comfortable sofa, well, and that's all, there's nothing else really.
  13. -1
    27 February 2025 08: 27
    .. SpaceX plans to turn off communications.. if Elon Musk has such a desire..

    Misconception. Musk and his SpaceX only seem to be the true embodiment of "private initiative." In fact, they serve the interests of the state and do not have real independence in making decisions on the external circuit.
    1. +1
      27 February 2025 09: 11
      Quote: fsvlad
      Misconception. Musk and his SpaceX only seem to be the true embodiment of "private initiative." In fact, they serve the interests of the state and do not have real independence in making decisions on the external circuit.

      Musk is now literally an oligarch who bought himself a president. laughing
  14. 2al
    +3
    27 February 2025 08: 55
    Why destroy satellites and not ground-based Starlink control centers or data centers with AAA system servers? Which are taken out by literally a dozen UAVs of "unknown type" that attacked "Khimki" in Syria.
    1. +3
      27 February 2025 12: 29
      Quote: 2al
      Why destroy satellites and not ground-based Starlink control centers or data centers with AAA system servers? Which are taken out by literally a dozen UAVs of "unknown type" that attacked "Khimki" in Syria.

      Because the control centers are located all over the planet, and the satellites communicate with each other using lasers.
      1. 2al
        +3
        27 February 2025 15: 56
        There are 6 of these antenna sites on the entire planet, and only one data center. Without the antenna sites, the satellite constellation will turn into space debris; they are the ones that separate the satellites in the constellation so that they do not collide. By the way, the control commands are generated by a neural network from the data center.
        https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1805q6rlePY4WZd8QMOaNe2BqAgFkYBY&hl=en_US&ll=47.6144489%2C-122.3386777&z=8
        1. 0
          3 March 2025 09: 36
          Quote: 2al
          There are 6 of these antenna sites on the entire planet, and only one data center. Without the antenna sites, the satellite constellation will turn into space debris; they are the ones that separate the satellites in the constellation so that they do not collide. By the way, the control commands are generated by a neural network from the data center.

          Their number is constantly growing and the data is long out of date.
          1. 2al
            0
            3 March 2025 11: 21
            No, the data is relevant and there are currently 6 active Stralink TsUS centers, since their location and activity is recorded and monitored due to interference by radio amateurs and radio astronomers around the world, and not just military-technical intelligence. I admit the presence of reserve centers in the NSA structure, but there are not many of them. Disabling the TsUS is the most effective and simple way to combat satellite groups, available even to organizations with a small budget, but with a couple of dozen specialists with sabotage training, in particular FPV.
  15. 0
    27 February 2025 10: 58
    Firstly, armed satellites can only be created by government agencies – no private individuals will be allowed to get involved in this matter.

    It's too late... Russia has signed a treaty on the non-proliferation of weapons in outer space with Uganda, Burkina Faso, Mali and the Republic of Sierra Leone. The train has left.
    1. 2al
      +1
      28 February 2025 08: 59
      The DPRK refused to sign such a treaty.
  16. +1
    27 February 2025 11: 39
    Phi.
    The direct launch of weapons into space will simply start a new arms race and spur on the old one. Everyone will start playing such games. And who has more launches now?
    To just break things stupidly, "you don't need a lot of brains."

    The main question is completely different. To have something cheap to withdraw, what to withdraw, why to withdraw.
    The Chinese and Americans essentially decide this. Telescopes, the moon, communications, intelligence, stations, etc.

    Well, we have Rogozin, "Federation", and "Mars by 2019", and "misappropriation of funds" (even according to the Accounts Chamber)

    Alas. Nothing can be changed. You don't abandon "your own" (Chubais, Friedman, Rogozin, Mutko as an example)
  17. 0
    27 February 2025 11: 52
    Wouldn't it be simpler to launch a swarm of millimeter-sized tungsten shrapnel into the appropriate orbit? This would prevent subsequent launches of other satellites.
    1. +3
      27 February 2025 16: 27
      Quote: whowhy
      Wouldn't it be simpler to launch a swarm of millimeter-sized tungsten shrapnel into the appropriate orbit? This would prevent subsequent launches of other satellites.

      Teach a materiel.

      Everyone who writes about "seeding space" with fragments, debris, tungsten balls, nails, sand - are complete losers and ignoramuses...


      The volume of space between orbits of 300 and 600 km is 184 billion cubic kilometers.
      There are 1 cubic meters in one cubic kilometer.
      take a small nail weighing 1 gram and try to evenly place 1 nail in each cubic meter. That's 1 thousand tons. Now multiply that by 184 billion cubic kilometers...
      184 trillion tons? Isn't that right?
      Where on Earth would you get something like this and how would you lift it into orbit?

      Next, you need a collision..
      And what is a collision if not a difference in speeds?
      And what speeds are needed for different orbits and different collisions?
      And where do all sorts of satellites, debris, etc. go with an increase or decrease in speed? with a change in the vector of movement?
      Or are there still such ignoramuses who think, I’m going to pour a bucket of sand into space, this bucket will hang over Russia, and all the satellites that fly over our sky will crash into this sand and everything will be destroyed...
      Although....
      Seeing how many people write about such nonsense, it’s very scary how degraded everything has become.
      1. +1
        28 February 2025 08: 20
        Quote: SovAr238A
        The volume of space between orbits of 300 and 600 km is 184 billion cubic kilometers.
        There are 1 cubic meters in one cubic kilometer.
        take a small nail weighing 1 gram and try to evenly place 1 nail in each cubic meter. That's 1 thousand tons. Now multiply that by 184 billion cubic kilometers...
        184 trillion tons? Isn't that right?
        Where on Earth would you get something like this and how would you lift it into orbit?

        It seems like you are also a smart person, but you write nonsense. How many rotations around the planet will 1 nail complete before it leaves orbit? Why billions of nails?
        1. 0
          28 February 2025 11: 46
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: SovAr238A
          The volume of space between orbits of 300 and 600 km is 184 billion cubic kilometers.
          There are 1 cubic meters in one cubic kilometer.
          take a small nail weighing 1 gram and try to evenly place 1 nail in each cubic meter. That's 1 thousand tons. Now multiply that by 184 billion cubic kilometers...
          184 trillion tons? Isn't that right?
          Where on Earth would you get something like this and how would you lift it into orbit?

          It seems like you are also a smart person, but you write nonsense. How many rotations around the planet will 1 nail complete before it leaves orbit? Why billions of nails?


          Do you know all the orbits of all the satellites? And they are not just that, they are arranged in a matrix at 5-8 different altitudes from 300 to 600 km...
          Do you know the principle of networks? Any distance between obstacles must be less than the maximum transverse dimensions of the prey.
          So, count how much you need. Maybe not 184 trillion tons, maybe 10 times less.
          Will it be easier?
          Let it be 100 times smaller - will it become easier?
          Well, what are you going to do next?
          1. 0
            28 February 2025 13: 07
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Do you know all the orbits of all the satellites?

            As I understand it, we are not talking about all satellites, but about Starlink? If everything is so sad according to you, then why does the US keep track of garbage in LEO?

            Table 1. GOST 4028-63 "Construction nails"
            Round construction nails
            Diameter/Length Weight 1000 pcs (kg) Pieces in 1 kg 1 pc (gram)
            0,8х8 0,032 31 250 0,03

            From 5 tons there will be 157 million, we need to add another 5 kg of TNT.
            If this cloud stays in orbit (before it leaves orbit) for 20 years, it will be a dead zone.
      2. +1
        28 February 2025 11: 27
        Nobody thinks of the whole space. But to create a local something interfering, why not an option? Just turn off the snob. You will speak like that at the forum of academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences. And why should you show off here? There are ordinary people here.
        1. -2
          28 February 2025 11: 47
          Quote: nznz
          Nobody thinks of the whole space. But to create a local something interfering, why not an option? Just turn off the snob. You will speak like that at the forum of academicians of the Russian Academy of Sciences. And why should you show off here? There are ordinary people here.

          Have you got anything mixed up, our simpleton?
          When someone pokes you in the nose for illiteracy, the one being poked should tuck his tail in...
          1. 0
            7 March 2025 14: 07
            Proverb: A brave man among sheep is a sheep himself
      3. 0
        28 February 2025 11: 30
        Very funny thoughts and calculations. laughing The satellites have standard orbits and are quite "narrow" in height, and everything rotates in one direction. In the "countercurrent", with the help of directed explosions, we send swarms of millimeter tungsten particles, with overlap. As a result, these swarms are not "caught" by radars and, due to their high speed (ve squared, even if they are hit), they cause serious damage to everything that gets in their way (at least to solar batteries). That is, the satellites fail due to "natural causes"....
        And which of us is a failure? wink
        1. 0
          28 February 2025 11: 55
          Quote: whowhy
          Very funny thoughts and calculations. laughing The satellites have standard orbits and are quite "narrow" in height, and everything rotates in one direction. In the "countercurrent", with the help of directed explosions, we send swarms of millimeter tungsten particles, with overlap. As a result, these swarms are not "caught" by radars and, due to their high speed (ve squared, even if they are hit), they cause serious damage to everything that gets in their way (at least to solar batteries). That is, the satellites fail due to "natural causes"....
          And which of us is a failure? wink


          The orbits are not at all narrow.
          And there are 24 of them
          And there are currently 7000 satellites in working mode, and there will be around 30 thousand
          I suggest you recalculate the overlap area of ​​these orbits, in the altitude range from 300 to 600 km.
          As you call it, "countercurrent" is not at all easy to launch - the energy and, accordingly, economic losses will be enormous.
          Natural reasons.
          Ага.
          The city died out for 1 minute, natural causes... no one will guess.
          Storytellers
          1. +1
            28 February 2025 13: 41
            I suggest you recalculate the overlap area of ​​these orbits, in the altitude range from 300 to 600 km.
            As you call it, "countercurrent" is not at all easy to launch - the energy and, accordingly, economic losses will be enormous.
            Natural reasons.

            You are again taking inadequate initial assumptions as a basis. How many hits does it take to disable one satellite? Where did the huge energy and economic losses come from? Initially, several modules are launched into a stationary orbit. Let's say the modules have something like MON-400, only with a bulge and, accordingly, fragments in the direction of the explosion. Then the modules are distributed in space and detonated (in a counter-current smile ). "And so all eight times..." lol The detonation speed of octogen is 9100 m/s, - slightly more than the first cosmic speed, that is, the speed of the fragments will not be much less. By the way, satellites will fail, although quite often, but not all at once - let's say the Earth entered the area of ​​cosmic dust.... wink
  18. +1
    27 February 2025 14: 35
    The picture with Musk and Trump is awesome! good
    Made me laugh. laughing
  19. 0
    27 February 2025 15: 28
    Again, projections based on conclusions about complete ignorance of the material.
    I heard the ringing, but whose is it, what is it about, what is it for?
    Not interested.
    The main thing is to come up with a song about the ringing... crimson...

    populism mixed with kvass.
    Because of people like this, detached from reality, Tsushimas appear later...
  20. +1
    27 February 2025 18: 39
    Somehow the respected community forgot about the "tricky" X37 device. All launches are secret, and what was it doing in orbit?
  21. +1
    28 February 2025 08: 13
    As funny as it may seem, 5 tons of nails will grind all of Musk's satellites in low orbit in 2 days
  22. +1
    28 February 2025 11: 25
    Don't throw buttons, colleagues. I worked at the space communications center for a very long time. I also witnessed the Lightning. Which crawled into the reception area and left after 8 hours.
    Since then I remember one of the factors that greatly interfered with the microwave signal (3775 and 3875 MHz) getting from geostationary orbits to our antenna cup.
    These are banal meteor precipitations. Mainly snow. The case is in the Arctic, there is of course a lot of snow with wind. and icing.
    But the signal was heavily blocked by noise. Sometimes, with permission from the Space Communications Center, they would put the Antenna at the zenith and climb in to clear away the interference with mops. Just kidding - they were clearing away snow.
    Based on this, what if an aerosol with a radio-absorbing material (these have existed for a long time) is sprayed specifically at an enemy device?
    Another factor - it was a very powerful source - the Influence of the Sun. That's what we called this moment. We calculated in advance the moment when direct rays of the Sun hit the antenna cup. The connection was lost - the noise drowned everything out. Usually they put a picture or P pulse (black, white and black stripes). For about a minute and a half the system was helpless.
    version - shoot something like a flare at the enemy to create a long-lasting glowing body.
    Just don't start being sarcastic.
    1. +2
      28 February 2025 11: 34
      even something sticky gets on the solar panels, which will greatly reduce the flight time of the device.
    2. 0
      1 March 2025 16: 07
      Quote: nznz
      Based on this, what if an aerosol with a radio-absorbing material (these have existed for a long time) is sprayed specifically at an enemy device?


      A cloud of paint to cover the solar panels of the device..?
      And you don't even need to get into the device. It is enough to "hang" a cloud between it and the surface that interferes with the signal in any way. Between it and the sun, a cloud of dust/smoke that interferes with the light.

      Quote: nznz
      version - shoot something like a flare at the enemy to create a long-lasting glowing body.


      A large mirror reflecting rays into the "face of the enemy" - a snow cloud in orbit.... Local "northern lights"..?
  23. 0
    28 February 2025 13: 09
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Do you know all the orbits of all the satellites?

    As I understand it, we are not talking about all satellites, but about Starlink? If everything is so sad according to you, then why does the US keep track of garbage in LEO?

    Table 1. GOST 4028-63 "Construction nails"
    Round construction nails
    Diameter/Length Weight 1000 pcs (kg) Pieces in 1 kg 1 pc (gram)
    0,8х8 0,032 31 250 0,03

    From 5 tons there will be 157 million, we need to add another 5 kg of TNT

    If this cloud rotates until it leaves orbit for 20 years, then it will be a dead zone for all these years.
  24. 0
    3 March 2025 15: 46
    - After reading everything, the following conclusion suggests itself: Total destruction of everything in orbit. With all the ensuing consequences...
  25. 0
    6 March 2025 08: 54
    CubeSats will not be able to maneuver in orbit or change orbit. To put a CubeSat into Starlink orbit, you need to launch a launch vehicle at the same latitude (28° N) as Musk. We don't have such spaceports. This means that CubeSats will not physically catch up with Starlinks.
  26. 0
    9 March 2025 20: 32
    In short and to the point: our work on creating and "populating" working orbits with domestic "inspector satellites" must continue, regardless of American political and economic "curtseys" in our direction... The period of American-Russian "peace - friendship - chewing gum" has already passed... Tears and snot are still smeared on our faces... It is time to draw certain conclusions and define concepts and priorities.... By the way, the American "X-37", which is from "Boeing", which "flew" in near-earth orbit for more than a year and recently landed, may have been carrying out the mission of "duty truck" with a certain number of American CubeSats-"inspectors".....
  27. 0
    2 May 2025 17: 24
    Let's be realistic. Starlink can be destroyed by 3-5 thermonuclear explosions with a cobalt shell in orbit, or microwave radiation from the ground (but the power needed will be like that of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Station).
  28. 0
    6 May 2025 01: 27
    Even if Putin were given this weapon, he would not use it. An effective politically correct weapon against Starlink would be small ground emitters aimed at satellites and generating white noise in the entire range. Located near the positions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, they would block Starlink at least at the front. Unfortunately, as I understand the logic of Starlink, the jammer must be located as close as possible to the enemy terminal. The best jammer would be a Starlink terminal...
    It won't work to protect the jammer. But it can and should be used as bait with subsequent counter-battery combat. If one jammer is destroyed, there won't be any guns left for the other.
    Even better would be the direction finding of enemy terminals and their destruction by artillery fire. But this direction finding is only possible from air carriers or satellites... if the terminal antenna is lowered at least to the bottom of the trench.
    .
    In the end. We will not shoot down satellites for political reasons, we cannot destroy terminals for technical reasons, we cannot launch direction-finding satellites for financial reasons - Nabiullina will not give money. All that remains is an all-crushing ground offensive (Starlink will not help much with a rapid offensive)... and here the guarantor again with his peaceful initiatives...
  29. 0
    16 May 2025 09: 03
    Well then? The proposal is more realistic than the previous ones.
    But, firstly, under the current government, a political decision will not be made.
    Secondly, when we make such rockets and satellites, Starlink will immediately enter into an agreement, up to and including joint management of the system.
    .
    Moral: To reach an agreement with the Americans about Starlink, the proposed system must be created at least in single copies.