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Russia upgrades titanium submarines

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Russia upgrades titanium submarines



Titanium - an element of the periodic system of chemical elements Mendeleev, atomic number 22. A light metal of a silvery hue with a half that of iron and a density and melting point of + 1660 ° С. Titanium is used for the manufacture of durable and high-quality things - reactor fittings, structural elements aviation and space technology, body armor and cases of expensive watches, dental implants and special tools.
And the Soviet Union was so steep and rich that it “molded” the whole submarine hull from titanium!

The unique K-162 submarine (661 “Anchar” project) is a record not reported by TASS. The K-162 underwater nuclear-powered missile cruiser could accelerate at a depth of 44,85 knots (≈83 km / h). Special features required special technical solutions - for the first time K-162 stories World shipbuilding was completely made of titanium.

Crystal Titanium Bar

A series of submarines with titanium hulls of the project 705K (cipher "Lira") - seven high-speed submarine killers capable of developing underwater 41-nodal course. "Lyra" could pursue any enemy of the sea and just as easily escape from prosecution. They needed about 1 minutes to accelerate to full speed, and the circulation with a turn to 180 ° was performed in just 42 seconds! Outstanding speed and maneuverability characteristics allowed the 705K boats to evade enemy torpedoes and attack the enemy from an unexpected direction.

The “submarine fighters” of the 705K project often became the object of criticism for its excessive complexity and poor choice of power plant - a reactor with a liquid metal coolant, despite its high power density, every second was a deadly threat to the crew of the boat. Even in the base, the ZhMT reactor always required external heat supply - the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to a catastrophe. Nevertheless, the Lyra, in spite of all the “probable opponents,” honestly served in the Soviet Navy. Despite a number of serious accidents, none of the Lear was lost. And not a single person died in the struggle for their vitality.

Another record holder is The Elusive Mike. That is what the American sailors called the Soviet experimental submarine K-278 "Komsomolets" (project 685 "Fin") with a maximum depth of more than 1 kilometer. Lightweight and durable titanium hull withstand tremendous water pressure - in August 1985, the Komsomolets set the absolute world record for diving depth for submarines - 1027 meters! Falling into the cold, impenetrable mist, the K-278 became completely undetectable for the enemy anti-submarine weapons. At the same time, already at a depth of 800 meters, still remaining undetectable and invulnerable, the Komsomol member could use his torpedo weapon

Small merciless killers of the project 705K (the cipher "Lira")

Titanium alloys were used in the manufacture of robust hulls of the giant "Sharks" (SSBN project 941). At about the same time, the industry of the Soviet Union began the serial construction of third-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines with titanium hulls under the 945 project (cipher "Barracuda") and, a little later, according to the improved project 945А (cipher "Condor").
Unique boats are still of considerable value, and it is precisely with their existence that the next 2013 intrigue of the year is connected.

According to a statement published in early March, the Russian Ministry of Defense and Zvezdochka Center Ship Repair OJSC signed a contract to restore technical readiness through repairs with the modernization of two nuclear submarines with K-239 B-276 Kostroma (former K -276 "Crab") of the 945 project. In the future, such upgrades will be carried out by the B-336 Pskov and B-534 Nizhny Novgorod - submarine nuclear-powered project 945А.

Modernization of titanium submarines should raise their combat capabilities to a new level. The boats will be equipped with a new modification of the OK-650 reactor (a unified power plant of all Russian nuclear ships 3 and 4 generations), the sonar complex of submarines will be replaced, and the Caliber missiles will appear in the arsenal. Radio electronics will be radically updated, active noise absorbers will appear, instead of the usual periscope, installation of a multi-purpose mast with video cameras and laser range finders is possible - everyone on the central post, and not just the officer at the periscope eyepiece, can observe the surface situation.

New technologies in the durable titanium case of the “Soviet hardening” should turn the modernized “Condors” and “Barracudas” into a storm of the seas; In their totality of characteristics, old nuclear-powered ships will not yield to submarines of the new, fourth generation.

“This decision of the Main Command of the Navy, supported by the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, seems reasonable, since it is about two times faster to repair and upgrade existing submarines, including titanium ones, than to build new ones. This will require less financial expense. ”

- source of the Ministry of Defense

The representative of the Ministry of Defense stressed that the decision to return titanium submarines to the composition of the Navy's permanent readiness forces was made in January, and the first stage of the modernization of the K-B nuclear submarine B-239 will begin in the summer of 2013. It was noted that the Russian Defense Ministry had returned to the idea of ​​restoring four titanium submarines in connection with the problems of saturation of the Navy with new ships. First of all, this concerns delays in the construction of the fourth-generation multi-purpose submarines of the 885 "Ash" project.

NPS K-239 "Karp", photo from the Norwegian aircraft, 1 November 1984 g.



Carp these days. The boat was withdrawn from the North fleet in 1998 year


Multipurpose nuclear submarine B-239 "Karp" (formerly K-239) of the 945 Barracuda project (Sierra-I according to NATO classification)

It is intended for searching and tracking submarines and surface ships of a potential enemy, attacking naval targets.

Bookmark - 1979 year, launching - 1981 year, commissioning - 1984 year;

Crew: 60 people;

Displacement above-water / underwater - 6000 / 9600 tons;

The length of the constructive waterline (KVL) - 107,16 m;

The two-part design, the strong case is made of titanium, consists of 6 compartments;

Power plant: 1 reactor OK-650А thermal power 180 MW, 4 steam generator, 2 turbogenerator, 2 battery group, 2 diesel generator DG-300 according to 750 hp with a supply of fuel for 10 days, 1 main screw, 2 of the small-stroke engine for 370 kW, two small-stroke screws.

Maximum submerged speed - 35 nodes;

Immersion depth - 480 meters;

Extreme depth of immersion - 550 meters;

Armament:

- 2 torpedo tubes, caliber 650 mm, 12 ammunition "long" torpedoes and PLUR;
- 6 torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm, 28 torpedoes, PLUR "Waterfall" and high-speed Rocket-torpedo "Shkval";
- MANPADS for self-defense.
* All the above data are valid for a non-modernized submarine

"Barracuda" and "Condor" ships are not simple - the titanium case opened up absolutely amazing prospects for Soviet submariners. First of all, the high strength and low density of titanium made it possible to achieve almost twice the strength with the usual ratio of load items (hull weight is about 40% of the standard displacement of the submarine). As a result, the “Barracuda” had a 1,5-2 times more than the working depth of the dive than any of the Soviet boats of the previous generation and promising foreign analogs - it could sink into the depths up to half a kilometer, while still having the ability to use torpedo weapons and speeds! The Condor plunged even deeper - to 600 meters.

For comparison, their peers, the multi-purpose American submarine of the type "Los Angeles" rarely worked at depths above 250 meters. The maximum depth for an American submarine is called within 450 meters.
Of course, the combat capabilities of modern boats are determined not only by the speed of travel and the depth of immersion, but the magnificent combination of large working depths and high speeds of the underwater course of the Soviet "Condors" and "Barracudas" is commendable.

Separately, it is worth mentioning about reliability and durability - titanium is not susceptible to corrosion, the barracudus titanium cases of the 30-year-olds still retain their original “shine” under a layer of rotted sound-absorbing rubber coating.
Finally, another important advantage of the titanium hull is a radical reduction in the magnetic field of the boat.

There is only one drawback - the high price and complexity of manufacturing a titanium case ... but, fortunately, we are no longer faced with such a problem. The Soviet industry was engaged in the manufacture of titanium cases, the super-boats were built many years ago - which means you only need to change the “stuffing” and thank the USSR for its great heritage.

The Kildin Island incident, which occurred in February 1992, best describes the strength of these submarines: the Russian submarine K-276 Kostroma (the same “titanium” project 945) accidentally collided with the American submarine Baton Rouge ( USS Baton Rouge SSN-689). At that moment, when the Baton Rouge was at a periscope depth, it suddenly came under the ram attack of a emerging Soviet submarine — the Kostroma struck with its wheelhouse directly into the center of the American spy's corps.

Damage to "Kostroma"

From surprise, both submarines jumped to the surface, a cold sweat came out at the American sailors - go “Kostroma” one meter higher, it would hit the “American” with its nasal tip. In all cases, the Russian submarine was to break through the titanic hull of the shaky side of the Baton Rouge, drowning the “likely enemy” right at the entrance to the Kola Bay.
However, the Russian submariners did not seduce such prospects at all - the strongest blow to the bow of the boat could lead to the detonation of the torpedoes' combat units, destroying both opponents.

The final of the tragicomedy is obvious: “Kostroma” healed its lacerated wounds and returned again to the fulfillment of the tasks set in the ocean. “Baton Rouge” independently reached the home base, but the resulting damage (first of all, microcracks and internal stresses in the hull made repair of the boat impractical. Baton Rouge stood in reserve for a couple of years until it was finally written off in 1995. Evil tongues say that at the time of the collision a fire broke out on board the Baton Rouge, perhaps there were human casualties.

The international conflict was settled quickly: the Americans said that at the time of the collision, the Baton Rouge was in neutral waters outside the 12-mile zone of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. On this and agreed. And on the cabin of the nuclear-powered Kostroma, a five-pointed star appeared with the 1 number inscribed in it — this is how submariners scored their victories in the years of the Great Patriotic War.

B-336 "Pskov" in Ara-Guba (Kola Peninsula), 2004 year



On the right board, the consequences of a fire in the SRH-82 dock are noticeable.


Multipurpose nuclear submarine B-336 "Pskov" (formerly K-336 "Perch") of the 945A "Condor" project (NATO Sierra-II)
It is intended for searching and tracking submarines and surface ships of a potential enemy, striking at sea targets.

Bookmark - 1989 year, launching - 1992 year, commissioning - 1993 year.

Crew: 60 people;

Displacement above-water / underwater - 6500 / 10400 tons;

The length of the constructive waterline (KVL) - 110,5 m;

The two-part design, the strong case is made of titanium, consists of 6 compartments;

Power plant: 1 reactor OK-650Б thermal power 190 MW, 4 steam generator, 2 turbo-generator, 2 battery group, 2 diesel generator DG-300 according to 750 hp with a supply of fuel for 10 days, 1 main screw, 2 of the small-stroke engine for 370 kW, two small-stroke screws.

Maximum submerged speed - 35 nodes;

Immersion depth - 520 meters;

Extreme depth of immersion - 600 meters;

Armament:

- 2 torpedo tubes, caliber 650 mm, 8 ammunition "long" torpedoes and PLUR;
- 4 torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm, 32 torpedo ammunition, PLUR "Waterfall" and high-speed missile torpedoes "Shkval";
- MANPADS for self-defense.

* All the above data are valid for a non-modernized submarine


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  1. Hemi cuda
    Hemi cuda 27 March 2013 08: 34 New
    +9
    Very interesting, thanks for the article.
    1. yak69
      yak69 27 March 2013 18: 32 New
      +4
      At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!
      I don’t know if this is true or not, but then there was surprise and admiration from the story for the courage and health of the submariners.
      And the name of the submarine was "Goldfish."
      That was the story.
      1. Santa Fe
        27 March 2013 20: 13 New
        0
        Quote: yak69
        At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!

        Heh, at a depth, the transition from compartment to compartment is generally impossible - all hatches tightly clamps

        A harsh thread is a childish prank.
        I was told how at Komsomolets, when passing a certain depth (600 ... 700 meters - not the point), one of the bulkheads in the central post was deformed (bent). All this happened with a terrible roar, it really seemed that the boat was falling apart - all this, multiplied by the moral outfit during deep-sea diving, led to various funny changes in the behavior of the "newcomers" and brought a lot of joy to the "experienced" wink

        However ... I would have been in such a situation for the first time, it was also no laughing matter))))) and in the latrine the door must have jammed))))
      2. Santa Fe
        27 March 2013 20: 14 New
        16
        Quote: yak69
        At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!

        Heh, at a depth, the transition from compartment to compartment is generally impossible - all hatches tightly clamps

        A harsh thread is a childish prank.
        I was told how at Komsomolets, when passing a certain depth (600 ... 700 meters - not the point), one of the bulkheads in the central post was deformed (bent). All this happened with a terrible roar, it really seemed that the boat was falling apart - all this, multiplied by the moral outfit during deep-sea diving, led to various funny changes in the behavior of the "newcomers" and brought a lot of joy to the "experienced" wink

        However ... I would have been in such a situation for the first time, it was also no laughing matter)))))
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 27 March 2013 21: 02 New
          +2
          Guys, and I thought such fun went along with single-hull submarines. If, as you say, it clamps the hatches between the compartments, then it will also clamp the armaments - torpedo tubes, ASGs and so on ... so it will not be lost for long ...
          1. Delta
            Delta 27 March 2013 21: 59 New
            +2
            Quote: Wedmak
            If, as you say, it clamps the hatches between the compartments, then the armament will clamp accordingly

            no, it was another fantasy)))
        2. Mr.
          Mr. Red April 1 2013 22: 02 New
          0
          I was in St. Petersburg in "Narodovolets." To fight in such conditions is far from every force!
      3. Misantrop
        Misantrop 27 March 2013 21: 06 New
        19
        In factory tests, before diving, he pulled a string along the passage corridor 7 of the compartment. At a meter height, the length of the compartment is 12 m. When they left for 310 m, the middle of the thread lay on the deck. At a depth it compresses pretty pretty. The bulkhead doors are not pinched, their design is not the same, but the doors of the premises were opened with a special order. And one (the smartest) of the delivery crew went into the latrine. So he sat there for half an hour, until they floated 200 meters wassat
      4. edge
        edge 28 March 2013 10: 35 New
        +8
        the soul rejoices that the best submarines are returning to service, from these boats the aircraft carrier groups scattered in the Pacific and the Atlantic
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 28 March 2013 11: 34 New
          +7
          They’re still NOT running like that, driving the insolents into cockroach slots. It’s time to pay the old bills: for the Cold War, for the collapse of the Union and for other mischief caused to US and PEACE. This is the alignment — you won’t be strong, they’ll eat you up.
        2. Sirocco
          Sirocco 29 March 2013 04: 59 New
          +1
          This link details the contact of this submarine with a U.S. boat. SSBN 627 Bill Rogers (Lafayette type) http://warfiles.ru/show-3433-arsenal-titanovyy-mech-v-podvodnyh-glubinah.html
        3. Containers
          Containers 31 March 2013 01: 59 New
          0
          This is a PCB - torpedo. Their goal is enemy submarines. They could not frighten the AUG, they were more likely to guard the SSGNs — with cruise missiles, which were made just under the AUG.
      5. vyatom
        vyatom 28 March 2013 10: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: yak69
        And the name of the submarine was "Goldfish."

        Yes, this is the famous 661st project. Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice. I would not regret a couple of hundred to walk through the compartments of the legendary submarine.
        1. Santa Fe
          28 March 2013 11: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: vyatom
          Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice.

          Recycled on the "Star" in the period 2008-10
          1. Civil
            Civil 28 March 2013 20: 10 New
            0
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: vyatom
            Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice.

            Recycled on the "Star" in the period 2008-10


            that is, it is possible that they are female sabak
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      bezumnyiPIT 28 March 2013 09: 04 New
      +4
      Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!
      1. Santa Fe
        28 March 2013 11: 10 New
        +7
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

        USSR Navy
        1. 11 black
          11 black 28 March 2013 16: 46 New
          +8
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
        2. 11 black
          11 black 28 March 2013 16: 47 New
          0
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
        3. 11 black
          11 black 28 March 2013 16: 47 New
          0
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
  2. deman73
    deman73 27 March 2013 08: 50 New
    20
    Correctly modernize and go into battle again
    1. Simon
      Simon 27 March 2013 11: 37 New
      +6
      It is imperative to modernize how many good splinters in the ocean will be, so that Amers are not calm in their states yes
    2. Civil
      Civil 27 March 2013 13: 20 New
      +5
      titanium in the system is five!
    3. Voodoo
      Voodoo 27 March 2013 19: 52 New
      11
      Indeed, the potential is huge. Why is there something "new" - these boats themselves are "space submarine fleet." They do not seek good from good. Carry out a deep modernization of the filling - and go !!! It would be nice if the 705th project of Lira were reanimated - this is generally the PLUMA))) Small, maneuverable, high-speed - a real fighter !!! "Alpha" rule - "Sea Wolves" nervously smoking on the sidelines ....))
      1. Delta
        Delta 27 March 2013 20: 47 New
        +3
        Quote: Voodoo
        "Alpha" rule

        the shortcomings of the 705th were enough. Therefore, their development did not go (not counting Gorbach with his restructuring)
      2. smirnov
        smirnov 27 March 2013 23: 01 New
        +4
        Lira is very noisy, and they’ve already cut them, titanium can be sold, these skinned ones would be taken ...
        1. Voodoo
          Voodoo 27 March 2013 23: 09 New
          +4
          Brothers! You know very well that the “Alpha” was noisy - in any case, not a titanium case)). This is about ...
          1. mamba
            mamba 28 March 2013 09: 11 New
            +5
            Quote: Voodoo
            You know very well that the “Alpha” was noisy - in any case, not a titanium case)). This is about ...

            There was information that at the maximum speed of the underwater course, these submarines literally rattled and they were heard very far away. But if such a boat went on the attack, then it was a requiem for the enemy.
      3. Strezhevchanin
        Strezhevchanin 28 March 2013 21: 21 New
        0
        Quote: Voodoo
        Indeed, the potential is huge.

        Soviet Titanium Assembly ..... mine is forever hi
  3. Russian
    Russian 27 March 2013 08: 55 New
    +4
    Yeah, boats are what you need! They knew how to do it before. The hands of our democrats — the liberals — didn’t reach them well!
    So many articles have already been written about submarines in recent years, which is simply now obliged to go to the leading position in terms of quality and quantity!
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 27 March 2013 10: 06 New
      +2
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      The hands of our democrats-liberals didn’t get to them well!

      Unfortunately, we got there - we managed to cut some of the boats am
      Good morning everyone hi
      1. Simon
        Simon 27 March 2013 11: 41 New
        +4
        But still, at least the remaining ones should be modernized. These submarines can be upgraded several times, since the hulls are almost not subject to corrosion and titanium is much stronger than steel.
      2. Santa Fe
        27 March 2013 14: 54 New
        +4
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        The hands of our democrats-liberals didn’t get to them well!


        Quote: Ghen75
        Unfortunately, we got there - we managed to cut some of the boats

        And here are the hands of liberal democrats?

        The titanium "firstborn" K-162 left the composition of the forces of constant readiness of the Northern Fleet in the 1984 year - numerous problems affected the operation of a unique boat. Cut K-162 began only in the 2008 year. Recycled by October 2010.

        All titanium Lira were withdrawn from the fleet until the 1990 of the year, except for K-123, which underwent a major overhaul before the 1992 of the year. The boat was excluded from the list of ships only in the 1997 year - the consequences of the major accident of the 1982 year, when the 1 reactor circuit was depressurized, filled the aft compartments with a deadly radioactive metal coolant. It was not possible to completely restore the boat.
        Disposal of Lear is underway today.

        Titanium "Komsomolets" sank 7 April 1989 year

        The only loss in the "dashing nineties" - they could not finish building the fourth-generation titanium nuclear submarines 945Б "Mars"
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 27 March 2013 21: 16 New
          +9
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          the consequences of a major accident in 1982, when the first reactor circuit was depressurized, flooded the feed compartments with a deadly radioactive metal coolant.

          Do not panic. There poured a puddle about one and a half meters across on the floor of the uninhabited reactor compartment. When we scanned it. In addition, due to the characteristics of this coolant, the main part of the activity is in the alpha range (i.e., the keratinized layer of his own skin serves as protection for a person). And without a respirator, no one went to the stern anyway - unpleasant fumes of turbine oil. From him (if without a "muzzle") then his head hurts and his voice sits. This boat stood next to the side on which we were in practice
          1. mamba
            mamba 28 March 2013 09: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            the main part of activity is in the alpha range (i.e., the keratinized layer of his own skin serves as protection for a person).

            Most likely, there were three main types of radioactivity: α, β, γ, there were only neutrons. When an alpha particle moves in the skin, it creates strong ionization and, as a result, loses energy very quickly. At α и β really small penetrating ability, but this does not save from skin lesions leading to cancers such as basal cell carcinoma. The likelihood of their occurrence increases at times in the presence of existing skin lesions: post-burn scars, lupus erythematosus.
            1. Snake4
              Snake4 April 1 2013 16: 44 New
              0
              for OK-40 with bismuth-lead coolant, all the damaging effect will be limited only to α particles from the surface - the result of the accumulation of bismuth isotopes primarily in the coolant, β, γ - inside the reactor - highly enriched uranium, but not in the coolant.
              Total protection when working with a coolant - anti-radiation suit or chemical protection suit, without exposed skin
              Let me remind you that α particles are helium atoms without an electron, therefore the path in their soft tissues to the interaction is very short, so do not compare α and β
              about mileage in various fabrics, see http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%EB%FC%F4%E0-%F7%E0%F1%F2%E8%F6%E0
          2. Santa Fe
            28 March 2013 11: 12 New
            +1
            Quote: Misantrop
            There poured a puddle about a meter and a half across on the flooring

            It’s not a puddle, but continuous leakages in the reactor circuits
        2. mamba
          mamba 28 March 2013 09: 16 New
          0
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          the first circuit of the reactor was depressurized, and the feed compartments were filled with deadly radioactive metal coolant.

          If it was metallic sodium, then any contact with water could lead to an explosion and fire.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 28 March 2013 19: 50 New
            +7
            Quote: mamba
            If it was metallic sodium

            What if there was gasoline instead of sodium? wassat Where does sodium come from? Lead-bismuth alloy coolant. There was another problem - slagging. Slag clogged the core ducts; frequent cleaning of the coolant was needed. And another strange feature was these boats - the main power network 400 Hz. Well, the weak reliability of automation of those years also added extreme. PU GEM was in the rear of the CPU on the port side. It’s a kind of “piano” with a length of 3,5 m. The operator has a chair on casters, sitting on which he moves along the console if necessary. Pretty convenient, BUT ... if the automation is sour, then while the instrument engineer repairs it, the operator shoves the chair to the side and jumps like a dog for 4, twisting the handwheels and manual control unit switches (they are in the area of ​​the knees under the horizontal panel The watch turned out very saturated lol
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 28 March 2013 19: 51 New
            +2
            Damn, the forum again makes a fool, doubles the message. In general, there were good boats, it’s nice to remember ...
  4. Mother russia
    Mother russia 27 March 2013 09: 07 New
    28
    With hulls made of titanium, boats with optimal hydrodynamic contours can last 50 years - you just need to change the “stuffing” on time.

    The article is a big plus.

    Project 945 boats by the level of unmasking signs, such as noise and magnetic fields, became the most inconspicuous in the Soviet Navy. If you make a mistake, please correct.
    Yes, and they are very beautiful. And what is beautiful, it walks well in the depths of the ocean.

    By the way, our Kostroma didn’t crush too much - there’s a whole boat, they’ll also upgrade good . Amer was forced to write off.
    That's really - an underwater fighter! lol
    1. Rustiger
      Rustiger 27 March 2013 11: 29 New
      +3
      became the most inconspicuous in the Soviet fleet. If you make a mistake, please correct.

      Titans have another advantage, as the article says correctly - SPEED

      In my opinion, the project 877 Halibut diesel submarine is considered the quietest in the world,
      http://www.nashflot.ru/page/sssr/www.snariad.ru/4
      but are now decommissioned.
      To date, are considered one of the quietest multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 4th generation K-329 (Severodvinsk).

      You can see here -
      http://topwar.ru/368-podvodnaya-lodka-samaya-tixaya-v-mire.html
      polit.pro/news/2012-08-15-6786
      maxpark.com/community/politic/content/1455868
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 27 March 2013 11: 48 New
        0
        http://army-news.ru/2013/01/podvodnye-lodki-nepobedimoe-oruzhie-slabyx/
        - the quietest diesel boats in the world
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 27 March 2013 21: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: Rustiger
        To date, they are considered one of the quietest

        If you really evaluate in the complex your own noises + the ability to detect an enemy, then by far the best atomic planet on the planet is 971
        1. MURANO
          MURANO 28 March 2013 00: 09 New
          -4
          Quote: Misantrop
          If you really evaluate in the complex your own noise + the ability to detect the enemy, then so far the best atomic planet on earth is

          Los Angeles on and on for the novelty list.
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 28 March 2013 00: 36 New
            +6
            Quote: MURANO
            Los Angeles on and on for the novelty list.

            Stop telling tales. I wrote for good reason "if really evaluate. "Based on the results actual hiking, mutual tracking. And not for brochures. According to them, no one can catch the Americans laughing
            1. MURANO
              MURANO 28 March 2013 00: 44 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              According to the results of actual campaigns, mutual tracking.

              Do you know the results on their part? smile
              Quote: Misantrop
              And not for brochures.

              There is objective data on the capabilities of ours and their HAC. And these are not advertising booklets. smile
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 28 March 2013 02: 07 New
                +6
                Quote: MURANO
                There is objective data on the capabilities of ours and their HAC. And these are not advertising booklets.

                Well yes, everything is there. And at the same time, there are cases of the emergence of our nuclear submarines right in the zone of their exercises on anti-aircraft missile defense. No one is heard until the ascent. Despite the fact that they have everything with secrecy is simply disgusting by definition. And the cases of being (for a week or more of our nuclear submarines inside the AUG. Who the hell would they let them in if they discovered. Or am I confusing something and they played along to us so that we relax? winked
                1. MURANO
                  MURANO 28 March 2013 02: 38 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Or am I confusing something

                  Do not confuse. The cases are by ear and known .. only they are single.
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Who the hell would they let them in if they found

                  They allow. To study actions. Plus, the human factor has not been canceled. Everyone can "stick" ...
                  Do not get me wrong. I'm not a fan of the West. And we served in the same fleet. MGK-540 is not a BQQ-5, unfortunately.
                  Regarding 877 ... How, for example, do they determine the distance to the target in the pass mode on it, and how do the Turks on the 209th do the same, for example?
    2. gagarinneon
      gagarinneon 27 March 2013 13: 20 New
      +2
      Especially like it
      “It’s worth mentioning separately about reliability and durability - titanium is not subject to corrosion, titanium cases of 30-year-old Barracudas still retain their original“ shine ”under a layer of decayed sound-absorbing rubber coating.
      Finally, another important advantage of the titanium hull is the radical decrease in the boat’s magnetic field. "
      Titanium, as I understand it, is not subject to corrosion at all, and it means the service life of this metal is several times greater than metal.
      1. mamba
        mamba 28 March 2013 10: 00 New
        +2
        Quote: gagarinneon
        titanium is not subject to corrosion, the titanium cases of the 30-year-old Barracudas still retain their pristine “shine” under a layer of decayed sound-absorbing rubber coating.

        If only a durable case is made of titanium, then the rubber coating is mounted not on it, but on a lightweight case. If the lightweight body is made of steel, then how is the problem of electrolysis in seawater solved, because of which the steel structures of the pier melted?
        1. Misantrop
          Misantrop 29 March 2013 10: 52 New
          +1
          Quote: mamba
          If only a durable case is made of titanium, then the rubber coating is mounted not on it, but on a lightweight case

          It is clear that both cases are made of titanium alloy, durable and light. Otherwise, the light would crumble in a few months. And rubber is sometimes glued on both a durable and lightweight body (on a durable - thinner one). I met this, though not at all. Interestingly, different grades of titanium have very different electrochemical activity. If for the "Golden Fish" they were forced to build a special reinforced concrete floating pier, near which she stood in splendid isolation, moored through wide rubber rafts (otherwise steel from reinforced concrete would die), then 705 stood as a whole bunch of 2-3 hulls on each side of the usual, steel. Yes, and the usual steel floating shipyard was also moored there for the rest of the sailboats (after all, the reactors were not extinguished there even in the base - it turned out to be too shabby and unreliable onshore boiler house). And nothing electrochemical corrosion was consumed.

          And on the “Sharks” the hulls were not titanium, but steel. Like BDRM, AK-34 austenitic steel was used there (not much cheaper than titanium, by the way), not much inferior to titanium in mechanical characteristics (except for weight)
    3. DAEDALUS
      DAEDALUS 27 March 2013 19: 26 New
      0
      When the shells, God forbid, run out, then they will hit with a ram! wink
      1. mamba
        mamba 28 March 2013 10: 04 New
        0
        Quote: DAEDALUS
        When the shells, God forbid, run out, then they will hit with a ram!

        There are no shells there, just as there are no guns. And when torpedoes and missiles end, then it’s possible to do a ram like Jules Verne’s. And the old science fiction will show us from the grave: good
    4. goody
      goody 28 March 2013 10: 23 New
      0
      Taran - the weapon of the daredevils wink
  5. 123dv
    123dv 27 March 2013 09: 13 New
    +4
    What foty!
    What a boat!
    What a great news!
  6. ziqzaq
    ziqzaq 27 March 2013 09: 22 New
    +1
    Good article, and the news is great too !!!
    I love the sea.....
  7. avt
    avt 27 March 2013 09: 33 New
    0
    The stock does not pull the pocket, let it be. There is no point in saving on modernization. That would raise Komsomolets and restore. Out of principle!
    1. Delta
      Delta 27 March 2013 12: 28 New
      0
      There is nothing to restore there. Too much destruction
    2. Santa Fe
      27 March 2013 14: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: avt
      That would raise Komsomolets and restore


      Very unexpected, however, were the results of a survey of the hull of the submarine. According to the 1989 survey, it was believed that a solid hull, if it could get any damage, was only in the aft, where there was a fire. Then there was no data on its nose. Additional equipment of one of the Mir devices with a tele-sensor - a micro-television camera was installed on the tentacle of the device - made it possible to "look" into cracks, gaps and other openings of the light body.

      It was found that a sturdy case has destruction in the upper part of the nasal compartments. Previously, it was believed that the covers of torpedo tubes were closed and the tubes were airtight. But when the eye of the micro-camera was let through to the covers of the torpedo tubes, the video film showed: to one degree or another, the covers were ajar. The position of the submarine on the ground, in comparison with May 1989, has not changed much - only the amount of silt on the hull has increased. It was possible to find near the “Komsomolets" and some objects and devices from a submarine. In the compartment I, one and a half meters from the hull, a ship clock was found on the ground, which stopped at 17 hours 23 minutes, and at 17 hours 08 minutes the boat disappeared under water. Details were also found of the access hatch, especially the torn powerful studs for attaching the coaming of the hatch with nuts, the deformed ring of the valve of the hatch shutter, as well as the hydrophone of the onboard sonar system.

      The nature of the destruction of the solid hull in compartment I, as well as the composition and appearance of the objects raised, indicate that an explosion apparently occurred in the bow of the boat. The location of objects on the bottom and deck of the “K-278” indicates that the explosion occurred when the boat was already lying on the ground, or at the time of impact on it.
      1. Civil
        Civil 28 March 2013 20: 29 New
        0
        Chinese. NATO, for a long time and without problems, apparently there solve their issues ... alas, mine everything there
    3. PN
      PN 27 March 2013 17: 01 New
      +3
      It is not customary to disturb mass graves.
      1. avt
        avt 27 March 2013 19: 21 New
        +1
        Quote: PN
        It is not customary to disturb mass graves.

        This is if the government officially announces a military burial. Amers clung to this legal clue of international law when they tried to lift our entire diesel missile carrier.
      2. Delta
        Delta 27 March 2013 20: 48 New
        +2
        Quote: PN
        It is not customary to disturb mass graves.

        S-80, K-141 raised. And not only them
  8. Rambiaka
    Rambiaka 27 March 2013 09: 34 New
    +6
    If only everything worked out with modernization. By the way, under the Titanium Valley (Verkhnyaya Salda, Sverdlovsk Region) they continue to look for money, I hope that due to this, VSMPO will heal and the Navy (and not just Sukhoi) will be not the last client there.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 March 2013 14: 49 New
      +4
      Quote: Rambiaka
      If only everything worked out with modernization. By the way, under the Titanium Valley (Verkhnyaya Salda, Sverdlovsk Region) they continue to look for money, I hope that due to this, VSMPO will heal and the Navy (and not just Sukhoi) will be not the last client there.


      VSMPO-Avisma was strongly let down by the Ukrainian side,
      which disrupted the supply of raw materials (ilmenite), which led to the importation of raw materials from Africa. This tripled its value. Therefore, VSMPO-Avisma is forced to invest in the near future up to $ 600 million in the extraction of ilmenite in the Russian Federation in the Tambov Region, and in the revitalization of the Demurinsky GOK in Ukraine. Therefore, part of the shares was sold to amers, but the controlling stake remained with Russian Technologies
    2. nakaz
      nakaz 27 March 2013 16: 42 New
      +1
      Only the systematic strengthening of the submarine fleet can eliminate the potential of "sea coffins" - US Navy aircraft carriers.
      1. Gari
        Gari 28 March 2013 00: 22 New
        +3
        Titanium is used for the manufacture of durable and high-quality things - reactor fittings, structural elements of aviation and space technology, body armor and cases of expensive watches, dental implants and special tools.
        And the Soviet Union was so steep and rich that it “molded” the whole submarine hull from titanium!
        Unique boats are still of considerable value, and it is precisely with their existence that the next 2013 intrigue of the year is connected.

        According to a statement published in early March, the Russian Ministry of Defense and Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC signed a contract to restore technical readiness through repair and modernization of two nuclear submarines with titanium hulls B-239 Karp and B-276 Kostroma (former K -276 “Crab”) of project 945. In the future, similar upgrades will be carried out for the B-336 “Pskov” and the B-534 “Nizhny Novgorod” - submarine nuclear submarines of project 945A.
        The modernization of titanium submarines should raise their combat capabilities to a new level.
        New technologies in the durable titanium case of the “Soviet hardening” should turn the modernized “Condors” and “Barracudas” into a storm of the seas; In their totality of characteristics, old nuclear-powered ships will not yield to submarines of the new, fourth generation.

        Not so cool and rich to build new ones, but happy that they are modernizing

        There is only one drawback - the high price and complexity of manufacturing a titanium case ... but, fortunately, we are no longer faced with such a problem. The Soviet industry was engaged in the manufacture of titanium cases, the super-boats were built many years ago - which means you only need to change the “stuffing” and thank the USSR for its great heritage.
  9. Rustiger
    Rustiger 27 March 2013 11: 06 New
    +5
    If it is true that they (even the hulls) are afloat, then this can be considered a miracle. Frankly, surprised. I thought it was torn into tins for a long time. I saw with my own eyes at the pier, THEY ARE REALLY TINY !!!

    And you boil the fleet in the 92nd was a noble. After this incident, EVERYTHING was kicked out to sea. To the "hunt." It seems, then, even on small watchdogs put on the admiral. They combed up to Svalbard. Rumor has it that if anyone succeeds in detecting (or better drowning) a NATO member, they caress me well.

    Good news. Still to take in the composition. A ball would be even better !!!!!!!
    1. Santa Fe
      27 March 2013 14: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Rustiger
      I saw with my own eyes at the pier, THEY ARE REALLY TINY !!!

      Are you talking about Lyra or the 945 family?
      1. Rustiger
        Rustiger 27 March 2013 15: 11 New
        +2
        Perhaps the "Lira". Well, sooo small. Especially in comparison with those standing nearby. Like ZAZ-969 next to the Porsche Cayenne. Like in the photo. They even stood at the pier. Only a couple of pieces
        Twenty years have passed. We were transported by salag to the base of the submarine, on a "tour". T.S. check for claustrophobia. We went down into large boats, and from the "babies" even the ramps were not lowered. In their naivety, they thought that these were ideal sneakers in order to beat NATO members in Norwegian fjords.
        1. Santa Fe
          27 March 2013 16: 17 New
          +2
          Quote: Rustiger
          About as in the photo.

          So in the photo there are two ambals))))

          671 (or 971? - could not make out) - a huge beast. It’s he who looks like a kid
          A shark is generally a masterpiece ... a boat that does not fit in the ocean)))))
          1. MURANO
            MURANO 27 March 2013 18: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            671 (or 971? - could not make out)

            This is 971
          2. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 27 March 2013 20: 43 New
            +1
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            A shark is generally a masterpiece ... a boat that does not fit in the ocean)))))

            Let it be for you, it does not fit in the ocean, its length is equal to "Ohio", wider by 10 meters and higher by seven.
            Although pr.941 one feels some greatness.
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 27 March 2013 21: 26 New
          0
          In the Western face, why not see ...
      2. edge
        edge 28 March 2013 10: 53 New
        0
        in fact, the Lira project is a submarine fighter with a crew of 36 people (only officers and super-conscripts)
  10. white_f
    white_f 27 March 2013 11: 21 New
    +2
    The news is really good, after such news it begins to seem that not everything is bad. That would be something else out of 955 projects laid out of titanium, then the amers would have definitely stopped sleeping.
  11. kirieeleyson
    kirieeleyson 27 March 2013 11: 41 New
    +8
    By the way, the fleet development program is clearly traced. To create a new highly mobile submarine fleet is of course enchanting, but feasible: with the modernization of all titanium nuclear submarines, we will get 4 boats, and Yaseni will arrive in time there. Of course, if we work only for domestic demand. More boats, large and small, as they say.
  12. Slevinst
    Slevinst 27 March 2013 12: 23 New
    +1
    Another good news, thanks, truly immortal Soviet legacy, where are those people now? why has everything become so with us? why destroyed a great country with great minds
    1. edge
      edge 28 March 2013 10: 56 New
      0
      Quote: Slevinst
      Another good news, thanks, truly immortal Soviet legacy, where are those people now? why has everything become so with us? why destroyed a great country with great minds
      ........... uh brother, these are the long ears of an American donkey. but it is now dragging itself in the states.
  13. rudolff
    rudolff 27 March 2013 12: 29 New
    +5
    The news is pleasant and certainly correct, but you should rejoice only after they begin to put them in the dock. And they like to say one thing today, and change their minds for tomorrow. As it was with the Sharks, we return it to the system, then we write it off to the scrap. As it is with the Eagles. They declared the return of all cruisers, and there the horse did not roll.
  14. seed
    seed 27 March 2013 12: 52 New
    +6
    “The 30-year-old Barracuda titanium cases still retain their pristine“ shine ”under a layer of decayed, sound-absorbing rubber coating.”

    I confirm, shine. Where you expect out of habit to see "paint on rust" only white metal. Wildly unusual at first.
    Correct solution.
  15. knn54
    knn54 27 March 2013 13: 45 New
    +3
    K-222 is a second-generation Soviet nuclear submarine armed with P-70 Amethyst cruise missiles, the only ship built under Project 661 Anchar (titanium hull). The fastest submarine in the world, reaching underwater speeds of over 80 km / h (42 knots). For the high cost of building the boat was nicknamed the "Golden Fish". The experience gained in the development of project 661 was used in the design of 3rd generation SSGNs. Further work was carried out in the direction of reducing the cost and noise of the boat due to driving performance. A direct development of this concept was project 670 Skat. There is no alternative to submarines with titanium hulls. Save yourself more.
    1. Delta
      Delta 27 March 2013 14: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: knn54
      There is no alternative to submarines with titanium hulls

      in the sense - there is no alternative? this alternative has been carrying rockets under water for over a dozen years
      1. knn54
        knn54 27 March 2013 15: 33 New
        +4
        Vyacheslav: In the Russian Black Sea Fleet, the salvage and rescue vessel Kommuna, which turned 100 years old this year, still serves and carries out its work. In the manufacture of the hull of the vessel, special viscous malleable ship steel was used, the secret of which is now lost. The condition of the Kommuna hull, made of Putilov steel, remains almost perfect to this day - the iron structures installed on the catamaran rust and turn into rubble at a later time. WEAR HOUSING-2 WEAR ... 3mm per eyelid.
        The only alternative to the titanium case is to find the secret of “Putilov steel.” Or, because of the corrosion of the case, write off a unique and expensive weapon?
        1. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 27 March 2013 22: 49 New
          +6
          Quote: knn54
          The only alternative to the titanium case is to find the secret of Putilov’s steel

          Without claiming the laurels of the metallurgist, I can say that the main thing in this matter is the method of steelmaking. The open-hearth smelting method is a thing of the past, as less efficient and more expensive. Nowadays, when the pricing factor is paramount, we have to make various compromises ...
          In general, the steel used today in shipyards differs from that of 100 years ago, like IKEA furniture from a grandmother’s cabinet made manually from oak.
  16. Santa Fe
    27 March 2013 14: 19 New
    0
    Milestones in the life path of the USS Baton Rouge nuclear submarine (SSN-689) ... today she would have turned 36 years old

    Houston, we have a problem



    Baton Rouge proudly follows for disposal



    Saw off the nasal extremity



    Reactor compartments of reclaimed U.S. Navy submarines. No.64 - Baton Rouge
  17. gregor6549
    gregor6549 27 March 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    Lyra for its time was truly an advanced boat in many respects, including the level of automation of boat control.
    But she also had her own Achilles heel: a metal coolant used in the cooling system of an atomic reactor. This coolant had to be constantly kept warm even when the boat was at the berth. On the first boat of this type, this mode of heating was violated for some reason, the coolant hardened, the boat broke down and had to be decommissioned and cut into pieces. The construction of the remaining boats was in jeopardy. Sudprom (Minister Butoma) really did not want to mess with them and continued only thanks to Gorshkov’s personal intervention.
    1. ABV
      ABV 27 March 2013 17: 09 New
      +3
      why do our citizens have one stamp - speed? the underwater speed is not achievable to anyone ... or maybe, like the cowboy that nobody needs ... the main advantage of the submarine is its stealth ... noise on more than 40 nodes makes it difficult to see , so still heard almost in my house! the ephemeral opportunity to escape instantly from the attack results in the COMPLETE operating and storage conditions. I do not argue --- the 705 boats made a huge contribution to world science ... but as an experiment, and not as an effective means of anti-submarine and anti-ship fighting! you can minus ... and all our worst enemies never went down this path ... we must be able to admit mistakes and not be like Medvedev YES
      1. Firstvanguard
        Firstvanguard 27 March 2013 19: 26 New
        +1
        Dear, you are not a little topic. Our citizens do not have and did not have a stamp. For your information, during the development of the "Golden Fish", the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of a potential enemy was reduced to a very simple technique. They spotted the boat - gave full speed and stupidly came off. At the same time, the main purpose of tactical nuclear submarines at that time was seen in the interception of those same AUGs. Can you guess why such a speed? soldier
        1. Delta
          Delta 27 March 2013 20: 51 New
          -1
          Quote: Firstvanguard
          the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off

          Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))
          1. stalkerwalker
            stalkerwalker 27 March 2013 22: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Delta
            Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))

            Ash stump that will try to destroy.
            In peacetime - leave, break away ...
            The boat itself needs a high speed - when breaking through the Faroe-Icelandic border.
            1. Misantrop
              Misantrop 27 March 2013 23: 00 New
              0
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              during the breakthrough of the Faroe-Icelandic border
              This is where they just creep in the silence mode. Or hide under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)
              1. MURANO
                MURANO 28 March 2013 00: 14 New
                +2
                Quote: Misantrop
                Or hide under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)

                This was true 30 years ago. Spectral analysis easily separates noise ...
              2. stalkerwalker
                stalkerwalker 28 March 2013 11: 54 New
                +4
                Quote: Misantrop
                This is where they just creep in the silence mode. Or hide under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)

                During the creation of the Lyra, the SOSUS system was miscalculated in full swing in order to divert the main forces of the enemy’s PLO and, thereby, to allow the other submarines to go unnoticed, less slow-moving but no less noisy.
                With a tight construction of the forces of the PLO, the boat may crawl at least on the belly, as a result, it either will not reach the intended coordinates on time, or it will be detected.
                1. Delta
                  Delta 28 March 2013 12: 32 New
                  -1
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  When creating the Lira, the option of passing the SOSUS system at full speed was calculated, in order to divert the main forces of the PLO

                  where did this miscalculate? belay
                  1. stalkerwalker
                    stalkerwalker 28 March 2013 15: 51 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Delta
                    where did this miscalculate?

                    In the same place, where the methods / ways of breaking through the AUG submarine’s veil by means of detonating a torpedo’s nuclear weapon at a minimum depth ....
                    Guys, do I have to lay out all the tactics? You have an Internet ....
                    Or is it the “eternal disease” of “dungeon children” - to provide valuable advice and guidance on the navigation bridge on matters of course selection, speed and maneuvering?
                    Hi BCH-5 ...
                    hi
                    1. stalkerwalker
                      stalkerwalker 29 March 2013 01: 18 New
                      +4
                      Understood ....
                      In impotent rage, the red “Mukhaniki” minus ...
                      negative
          2. edge
            edge 28 March 2013 11: 06 New
            -1
            Quote: Delta
            Quote: Firstvanguard
            the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off

            Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))

            naturally, they will do everything to blame and even remember the precepts of Nelson’s grandfather
            1. Delta
              Delta 28 March 2013 12: 33 New
              0
              Quote: hert
              naturally, they will do everything to blame and even remember the precepts of Nelson’s grandfather

              will do everything to drown the submarine. And there are plenty of funds for this
          3. Firstvanguard
            Firstvanguard 31 March 2013 21: 46 New
            0
            And in wartime it will stupidly come off. soldier
            The main element of the AUG is an aircraft carrier. He needs to be thrown, and he needs to survive. The warrant will fight the boat, as will the air wing. And the great and terrible himself - stupidly to come off bully
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 27 March 2013 23: 55 New
          +2
          Good evening! While getting home, I missed the start of the discussion. So let’s stick in.
          Quote: Firstvanguard
          the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off.
          Yes, but this is only one of the elements of tactics: avoiding meeting with the enemy. And further: a detachment of aircraft of the Viking PLO planes rose (there were 6 units on AVU). Buoys that cut off the barrier were placed. Frigates (30-35) from the AMG order fled to the point of detection (last contact) in full swing (2-3 bonds depending on the sea, state of machines). The search operation "on call" began. And then someone will replay whom. If there is a hydrological section, there is a jump layer, then you can take refuge and escape. GPA cherished for serious matters. But ours, as a rule, were not substituted. Went to the shadowy KU aircraft carrier, the last ships of the warrant. Calculation (CBD) at this time sweated for himself and for that guy.
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 27 March 2013 22: 38 New
        +2
        Quote: ABV
        our citizens have one stamp - speed?
        Already wrote before, the classic torpedo has a very small power reserve. Therefore, a speed boat can detect from a torpedo noise from it ... just get away. And in the documents of the US Navy for nuclear submarines when detecting torpedo noise there is only one recommendation - emergency ascent and crew rescue. Because in this case she has NO chances, even with partial depressurization of the body of the buoyancy reserve for the struggle for survivability, she does not have at all. There is a difference? wink
        1. Delta
          Delta 27 March 2013 23: 45 New
          -2
          Quote: Misantrop
          Therefore, a high-speed boat can detect from a torpedo noise from it ... just leave

          What is the time to set the maximum speed of the same Lira, say from 10 knots of the course? while remembering
          Quote: Misantrop
          classic torpedo has a very small power reserve

          therefore, the enemy’s submarine will shoot from 20-30 km (we take the MK-48, as the most probable). Its speed in attack mode is 55 knots. From the simulated situation, you need to calculate whether the submarine can escape from the torpedo. Something tells me that it will not be able to, because even having a couple of minutes of full speed of 45 knots (and this is only provided that the reactor was brought out at 70-80% of the power before this), the submarine will still be slower than the torpedo , which in these couple of minutes will draw closer to a dangerous distance. I am wrong?
          1. Misantrop
            Misantrop 28 March 2013 00: 19 New
            +6
            Quote: Delta
            and this is only on condition that the reactor was brought to 70-80% of the power before

            At rated parameters, even PPU of the classical type (water-water) can be brought to maximum power in less than a minute. The installation of the MMT is gaining power really in a matter of seconds. This is not an exaggeration. I myself am a nuclear power plant operator and reactor commander. And on 105 orders 705 of the project had the opportunity to go out to sea at sea, being a senior cadet, her driving characteristics still amazed. Really presses into a chair during acceleration, not every sports car is capable of such acceleration. Almost perfect streamlining, the installation of an LMT and a running turbine of the active type with a light rotor. It is gaining momentum in seconds. The officers still considered this question then, in fact, they could leave if the acoustics did not clap their mittens. Why they practiced this “jerk” from a low speed.

            By the way, the entire installation is controlled by one person and (on most installations) by one handle. The power reserve is set for the etching valve, and then with the two fingers only the hand wheel of the turbine revolves, the power of the nuclear power is monitored automatically. We drove the BDRM to the maximum speed in less than a minute, and he had much more peace of mind, and jet turbines with massive rotors wink
          2. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 28 March 2013 01: 17 New
            +3
            Quote: Delta
            The submarine will still be slower than a torpedo, which will get close to a dangerous distance in a couple of minutes. I am wrong?

            Vyacheslav! You are absolutely right: the boat is slower than the attacking Mk-48! But the head of the commander is given not only to carry the cap, but in order after the report of G.A. And the rest is all right: TORPEDA FASTER BOAT ... and little chance, but oh how you want to live!
            1. Delta
              Delta 28 March 2013 12: 38 New
              +1
              Quote: BoA KAA
              Vyacheslav! You are absolutely right: the boat is slower than the attacking Mk-48! But the head of the commander is given not only to carry the cap, but in order after the report of G.A. And the rest is all right: TORPEDA FASTER BOAT ... and little chance, but oh how you want to live!

              Yes, I can say, Misanthrope convinced me. In any case, in theory. Practice, however, often diverges from theory. But it remains to believe that if this had happened, then everything would have happened just like that. The only correction is that a torpedo could be fired not from 20-30 km, as I originally asked, but from 5-6 kilometers, then even closer. Then the situation changes a little
        2. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 28 March 2013 01: 05 New
          +3
          Quote: Misantrop
          There is a difference?

          YES, not very substantial! They have a HOOK in automatic mode! with digital processing of g / a signal! (we also appeared starting with the "Skat") gives a command to shoot the TA duty officer on the bearing to the detected torpedo.
          Therefore, guys, do not forget to enter the "Omega", and be sure to carry out post-salvo maneuvering!
          Amers traditionally have single hull boats, with a buoyancy margin of about 12% (multi-purpose). Here you can’t fight for survivability! Therefore, they work out the "whale jump".
          1. Delta
            Delta 28 March 2013 12: 40 New
            0
            Quote: BoA KAA
            with a buoyancy margin of about 12% (multi-purpose). Here you can’t fight for survivability! Therefore, they work out the "whale jump".

            and what gave the buoyancy reserve to our submarines in 30%? never saved
            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 29 March 2013 15: 20 New
              +2
              Quote: Delta
              and what gave the buoyancy reserve to our submarines in 30%? never saved

              In theory, the boats were built (calculated) on 23-28%, except for X. NUMX av., Buoyancy margin. This allowed to take measures to save the ship. The Atamovoz, where the energy reserve (pair) is huge, had time to command "BUBBLE IN THE NOSE! BOW TO THE FLIGHT! FORWARD IS FULL!" To continue the fight in the surface position. With dizelyuhami harder. Apparently, therefore, they consider themselves to be true submariners. Pr.941А ("Kursk") was generally considered to be unsinkable, but how it happened ... So once in a while it is not necessary.
              The 3 generation boat was supposed to remain efficient even when a small compartment was flooded (except, it seems, the 1). During slow flooding, they gave a backpressure to the compartment and moved closer to God (the surface) to a depth safe from an NC ram strike (20-30м). These are the basics that every cadet knows about.
  18. savoj
    savoj 27 March 2013 16: 22 New
    -15
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.
    1. biglow
      biglow 27 March 2013 16: 51 New
      +6
      Quote: savoj
      Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

      Do you work there that you all know? Here a friend from Israel also told me that steel Amer boats are much better than Soviet titanium boats, but here something is not visible
    2. Ascetic
      Ascetic 27 March 2013 16: 53 New
      +8
      Quote: savoj
      Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.


      . The reactor does not change; the core is removed and the core changes. The reactor itself can be changed, but the entire reactor compartment is easier at once, which they will probably do. Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.
      In our bureaucratized time it is difficult to imagine that all management functions on planning, forming production programs of BTB and PTB, material support (from active zones to the Lepestok respirator), including capital construction, staff training, etc., carried out by 2 officers of the Technical Department of the Northern Fleet, which was also charged with the presence at the key stages of the next operation - opening the reactors and loading fresh nuclear fuel.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 27 March 2013 21: 40 New
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.

        Replacing the core - this does not apply to repairs at all. Most often, however, they tried to combine, but the core could be overloaded directly in the database. Especially for this purpose in Nikolaev PM-12 was built. Here she is in Olenyaya next to BDRM
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 March 2013 00: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: Ascetic
        The reactor does not change, the core is removed and the core changes. The reactor itself can be changed, but it is easier to immediately the entire reactor compartment, which is likely to be done. Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.

        I don’t know right: does it make sense to leave OK-650A on "945" (on 945A - OK-650Б), if there is a new modification of it OK-650В (for Ashen and Boreev). Industry is already sitting on them. Therefore, they will probably change it block-by-block; TVELs have apparently already been removed and given away for processing. Recycling the 1 and 2 generations, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This seems to have been dealt with by the Asterisk. Problem! I didn’t see it myself, but knowledgeable people told. For cutting and (most importantly!) Welding of titanium, special conditions are needed: fluxes, inert gas atmosphere, strict temperature conditions for welding and cooling, etc. ... If these conditions are as achievable as during the Union, then the decision of the leadership of the Navy and the RF Armed Forces is understandable. , Prom Commission on the restoration of these boats. That the filling will be changed as much as possible - I have no doubt about it, because need boats of the 4 th generation. At the same time, they will do everything to minimize noise. Only with such initial data is the game worth the candle!
        Well, and about the average or major repairs in such conditions it’s difficult to talk. This will most likely be a “recreation” (there is no such term in the Navy’s GTU, I know). But too deep a modernization of the boats of this project is planned.
        1. Ascetic
          Ascetic 28 March 2013 01: 00 New
          +2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Well, and about the average or major repairs in such conditions it’s difficult to talk. This will most likely be a “recreation” (there is no such term in the Navy’s GTU, I know). But too deep a modernization of the boats of this project is planned.
          Then I agree, the phoenix from the ashes
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 29 March 2013 15: 30 New
            +2
            Quote: Ascetic
            phoenix from the ashes

            For sure! only stronger, clever, further hearing, imperceptible (low-noise, non-magnetic ...), having strong muscles and ready to nakostilyat the adversary. It also seems to me that there will be Men dedicated to the fleet and loving the MOTHERLAND (and not "this country") .
        2. Misantrop
          Misantrop 28 March 2013 11: 35 New
          0
          A long time ago
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Recycling the 1st and 2nd generation plazas, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This seems to have been dealt with by the Asterisk. Problem!

          For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
          This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
          A new terminology is not necessary to invent, it is known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is referred to as "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes with average repair
    3. Misantrop
      Misantrop 27 March 2013 22: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: savoj
      Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.
      Well-proven OK-650 reactors stand on Barracudas. They, by the way, with minor modifications are put on the 4th generation. In the article about the type of reactor, by the way, it is written. Or was the article zapadlo read? wink
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 March 2013 01: 09 New
        +1
        Quote: Misantrop
        Well-proven OK-650 reactors stand on Barracudas. They, by the way, with minor modifications are put on the 4th generation. In the article about the type of reactor, by the way, it is written. Or was the article zapadlo read?

        This is on Lyra 705pr. hemorrhoids OK-550 with MMT if I do not confuse anything? And the boat was unique ..
        1. Santa Fe
          28 March 2013 11: 17 New
          -1
          Quote: Ascetic
          This is on Lyra 705pr. hemorrhoids OK-550 with MMT if I do not confuse anything? And the boat was unique ..

          was (in theory) the 705 project.
          "Lira" without LMW, with a conventional pressurized water reactor
        2. Snake4
          Snake4 April 1 2013 17: 09 New
          0
          Hemorrhoids was more likely in the absence of a normal boiler room to maintain a liquid fuel tank with a muffled reactor, which, incidentally, is also one of the reasons for their short lifespan.
  19. ABV
    ABV 27 March 2013 17: 01 New
    +2
    A good article, only at the beginning the author dragged Lyra of the 705th project not at the box office at all .... and the “loaf of rouge” is not an indicator .... the Lada Kalina can also nudge with a Mercedes with less damage (in no case I don’t hay ...) it’s just that collisions are different ... and from different angles ... but in general they should be modernized in terms of sonar, communication, CIUS and driving noise - this is the next generation ..
    1. Pacifist
      Pacifist 27 March 2013 17: 59 New
      +1
      I already once wrote on this topic, but still. Why then, if they say that it’s easier to upgrade, not to convert the Sharks into the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic and RCC ... with their dimensions and the resulting salvo power, they will not be equal ... but they will be written off and sawed .... something unclear... request
      1. RMRS
        RMRS 27 March 2013 21: 30 New
        0
        Everything rests on money and desire, alas and ah, while with desire everything is bad.
  20. Zeus
    Zeus 27 March 2013 21: 19 New
    +2
    Captain "Baton Rouge" zamusnul article)
    1. Pacifist
      Pacifist 28 March 2013 13: 23 New
      0
      Of course ... He’s hurt laughing
  21. crambol
    crambol 27 March 2013 21: 40 New
    +3
    Crystal Titanium Bar


    Help for those interested.
    The photo shows not just titanium, but IODID TITANIUM! Extra pure material. Iodide is named according to the preparation method. His rods in our laboratory were about one and a half meters long and about three centimeters in diameter.


    Hi all!
    1. biglow
      biglow 27 March 2013 21: 45 New
      +1
      [quote = crambol

      tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break when hit. Once I found such rods they break when they hit the corner.
      1. itkul
        itkul 28 March 2013 17: 27 New
        +1
        Quote: biglow
        tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break when hit. Once I found such rods they break when they hit the corner.


        Zinc
  22. Spike
    Spike 27 March 2013 21: 41 New
    0
    Thanks to the USSR !!!
  23. doktor_alex
    doktor_alex 27 March 2013 22: 21 New
    +6
    Quote: savoj
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

    Ahah, very dangerous, old poor design)))) Immediately visible comment specialist! These advanced reactors have overtaken their time for decades to come! But they demanded normal coastal support, if everything is so shitty with the shore that they cannot supply steam with sufficient parameters in order not to ruin the reactor - this does not mean that it is bad and dangerous. Speaking of what is written in the article "the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to disaster" - there is nothing to chew on the snot, you want to live, keep the mat. part is serviceable.
  24. KABAN009
    KABAN009 28 March 2013 00: 21 New
    -2
    I want the 24th Volga from titanium)))
  25. Conepatus
    Conepatus 28 March 2013 01: 04 New
    -2
    Quote: avt
    The stock does not pull the pocket, let it be. There is no point in saving on modernization. That would raise Komsomolets and restore. Out of principle!

    If you recall how much the Kursk uplift flew into, it’s cheaper to build a new Komsomolets than to get an old one.
  26. MURANO
    MURANO 28 March 2013 02: 48 New
    -3
    By the way, about the "account is open", stars on the wheelhouse ....
    As crew members of the USS Tautog (SSN-639) American nuclear submarine recalled, after a collision with our K-108, they were all depressed, because they were just sure that they had sunk the Soviet submarine. And only a personal meeting of the commander of K-108 Baghdasaryan with US submarine veterans, including with USS Tautog debunked that confidence. During this time, no one even thought to put anything on the hull, as a statement of the death of a ship of a probable enemy. And we can do anything ..
    Feel the level.
    1. mamba
      mamba 28 March 2013 10: 51 New
      0
      Quote: MURANO
      As crew members of the USS Tautog (SSN-639) American nuclear submarine recalled, after a collision with our K-108, they were all depressed, because they were just sure that they had sunk the Soviet submarine. And only a personal meeting of the commander of K-108 Baghdasaryan with US submarine veterans, including with USS Tautog debunked that confidence.

      So after all, the article also says: From surprise, both submarines jumped to the surface. The Americans saw the "Kostroma". Maybe she quickly plunged and disappeared underwater, but Amer acoustics should have “seen” how she leaves.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 29 March 2013 18: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: MURANO
      During this time, no one even thought of putting something on the hull, as a statement of the death of the ship of a potential enemy. And we can all ..
      Feel the level.

      Feel when you take the neck off the death of "Kursk"!
      And then you, sir, amers are white and fluffy, like a lamb of God, and "Ik klyatye" draw stars on logging (not on the hull, mind you!) sort of immoral types ... By the way, I appeal to the knowledgeable: to whose fleet do the rescue buoys of the submarines belong, such polasatye, GREEN AND WHITE? About which the former MoD has mentioned, commenting on the tragedy. The one that was a meter under water at the site of the tragedy?
      And then, the result of a "close encounter" was the utilization of the combat unit of our "incredible friends." Although indirect, but a victory! And there is nothing to teach us about morality; first, put things in order! Bendera deservedly repay! And then moralize about the actions of the guys from a solid body! The fascists are immoral bastards - but even they got up when the submariner entered the restaurant (tavern, shoe - it was not important!)
      "And you say: P A B L I N S!" So, advocate of social morality. In general, it is sad from such comments from a person who has a NEC subdlavovsky.
      1. MURANO
        MURANO 29 March 2013 19: 56 New
        -3
        Quote: BoA KAA
        And there’s nothing to teach us morality, first put things in order!

        In suffered ..
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 29 March 2013 23: 28 New
          +3
          Quote: MURANO
          In incurred.


          Yes, not suffered! Simply no need to talk badly about men, Sergei. Answer the forum users: where does NIK get away with? And if you have to do with the float and you have such judgments about those who looked over the edge.. I really don’t know what to think of, brother. Can it be sold?
          1. MURANO
            MURANO 30 March 2013 01: 57 New
            -2
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Sergei.

            Quote: BoA KAA
            Maybe it sold out?

            The level is clear.
            Quote: BoA KAA
            You just don’t need to talk badly about men

            You do not understand a damn. And hardly understand.
            Thank God, not everyone is like that.


            1. Boa kaa
              Boa kaa 30 March 2013 10: 36 New
              +2
              Quote: MURANO
              You do not understand a damn. And hardly understand.
              Thank God, not everyone is like that.

              Good morning! Sergei, you still answer: where does the nickname come from?

              And about understanding, well .. Everyone understands the best of their education. I was taught not by common human beings, but by former front-line soldiers.
              Maybe you yourself did not understand what you wrote? Read! If it were not for your “feel the level” I would accept your remark as information (attitude is different!). But you add meanly, "Everything is possible with us." Do you think the command of the division, flotilla, SF about the asterisk on the wheelhouse did not know? or did not the "competent authorities" signal it? Those who looked at this star also brought up front-line soldiers. Therefore, they, too, apparently, the views are wrong, and they, just like me, do not understand a damn thing. Well, it happens.
  27. ZAO
    ZAO 28 March 2013 09: 01 New
    +3
    My beauty (in the first photo) !!! Two autonomies of 100 days each on K-276 as radiometrist in 1989 and 1990. Who was at that time, they know me - metro Dema.
  28. savoj
    savoj 28 March 2013 09: 46 New
    -5
    Quote: doktor_alex
    Quote: savoj
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

    Ahah, very dangerous, old poor design)))) Immediately visible comment specialist! These advanced reactors have overtaken their time for decades to come! But they demanded normal coastal support, if everything is so shitty with the shore that they cannot supply steam with sufficient parameters in order not to ruin the reactor - this does not mean that it is bad and dangerous. Speaking of what is written in the article "the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to disaster" - there is nothing to chew on the snot, you want to live, keep the mat. part is serviceable.

    No patriotic and cheap slogans needed. Everyone here understands that these boats can no longer be restored, primarily because of the reactors. If it were possible, they would have done it a long time ago.
    1. doktor_alex
      doktor_alex 28 March 2013 12: 29 New
      0
      It is clear that you can’t return, the active zone has hardened, everything, a fatal accident, the boat is almost ruined. I’m just saying that the reactors weren’t bad, the shore supply was bad. And the supply of a full set of energy media from the shore in the base is the norm, and not a minus of the design, it’s another matter that the parameters of what comes from the shore are often not enough for us and it is almost considered normal to drive our own equipment against the wall.
  29. crambol
    crambol 28 March 2013 10: 12 New
    +2
    Quote: biglow
    tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break on impact. Once I found such rods they break on impact.


    There are fragile metals and alloys. These include, for example, CHROME and BISMUT. They can be ground into powder in a porcelain mortar. In general, in our time, rods of unknown purpose from unknown metals are better not to pick up.

    PS I almost forgot. If oxygen gets into the melt during titanium melting, the metal will be destroyed. It will become fragile, like glass.

    Hey.
  30. postman
    postman 28 March 2013 10: 45 New
    +2
    Afftor in the STUDIO (that is, dedicated to him!)
    1.
    Quote: Author
    And the Soviet Union was so cool and rich that it "sculpted" all titanium submarine hulls!


    Quote: Author
    the K-162 building for the first time in the history of world shipbuilding was fully made of titanium.

    Nein, ist nicht richtig.
    NOT made of titanium (pure), and from alloy Ti–Al-V (in our 48-review
    “pure” titanium “does not roll”: α-ω and β-phases = Polymorphic transformation accompanied by volume effects (up to 2,5%, both positive and negative).
    / your photo is not true, these are closer to the truth /



    2.
    Quote: Author
    And the Soviet Union was so cool and rich that
    ,
    WHAT?
    WHAT I PURCHASED VANADIUM PENTOXIDE (V2O5) CHDA (PURE FOR ANALYSIS) FOR 48-REVIEW IN FINLAND (!!!), for hard currency.

    / At the expense of yours / my moms, dads, grandparents somewhere until the end of the 70s (I can be wrong /
    That was until the production of ligatures in Leninabad and Chorukh-Dayron was organized.
    everytime:needed a decision of the USSR State Planning Commission
    3
    Quote: Author
    .K-162 submarine nuclear missile cruiser could accelerate to a depth of 44,85 knots (≈83 km / h)

    - it is not connected in any way with the case of titanium alloy
    (Flurry, cavitation bomb bombs of the USA, Germany and Japan?)
    - with the same depth
    Bathyscaphe Trieste = 10 919 m

    was airtight steel gondola spherical forms ...
    Cheap, angry and still not "broken" (in my opinion)
    1. postman
      postman 28 March 2013 10: 46 New
      0
      (everything doesn’t climb, again they’ll get a “troller”)
      4.
      Quote: Author
      Lira could chase any naval adversary and just as easily evade pursuit.

      -speed of "any" sea enemy: plane, helicopter PLO more
      Fairey Swordfish (1936) 207 km / h

      -speed: the highest speed - 45,25 knots (83,42 km / h) - showed in November 1935, XNUMX French destroyer Terriblis with a displacement of 2830 tons.
      US Navy hovercraft SES-100B 23,7 m long, with a full displacement of 100 tons, reached speed 91,9 knots (170,2 km / h).
      -Mk46 (maximum speed 45 knots, range up to 11 km, travel depth up to 450 m, range of the active-passive homing system about 1000 m, explosive weight 40 kg)
      -SS-N-27 ASW (91RE1): Missile Range: 27 miles (50 km)
      Speed: 2.6 Mach (1675 knots) Launch Depth: <100 m
      5.
      Quote: Author
      At the same time, already at a depth of 800 meters, while still undetectable and invulnerable, Komsomolets could use its torpedo weapons

      -USET-80: Maximum depth of fire: 1000 m, guidance effective. only in depth up to 80 m.
      Blunk when shooting and while gurgling to ef. depths, the whole world will know about this dashboard.
      - deep-sea homing (up to 800 m) mine <Captor> Mk6, 533-mm torpedo tubes are fired, and B-52, R-3, A-6 and A-7 aircraft: by parachuting
      well, etc.
      =====================
      IMHO: puzatiki pensioners from the Politburo decided to amuse their libido ("corn is the queen of the fields"), at the expense of the people essno ...
      but no one thought about combat and economic efficiency
      1. Delta
        Delta 28 March 2013 12: 45 New
        +1
        THIS "author" is excusable. This is the new Pikul))))
        1. postman
          postman 28 March 2013 12: 59 New
          +1
          Quote: Delta
          THIS "author" is excusable

          come on. why spread rot then.
          him (the author) in this regard, oh oh, how far to the LEADER (recollections of a real Russian officer: “how I felled packs of NATO troops in Iraq, including without the Russian Orthodox Church, ballistic with a lead)” - something like that ) wink
          PS ... we are so teasing each other
          Quote: Author
          "Kostroma" struck with its wheelhouse directly to the center of the corps of an American spy.

          FUN !!!!
          she crushed ice at the north pole. The Americans are poor, after all, NOT TWO (and not 1,5 as the Germans sales) corps ...
          Not any of those “crushed” (according to UNECE) zones. Well, got the wort
  31. CreepyUknow
    CreepyUknow 28 March 2013 10: 45 New
    0
    Right, right. Let the enemy be afraid to send submarines to our shores to spy - they will once again break the board. And it is no longer a fact that this boat will reach the base.
  32. Nightcrawler
    Nightcrawler 28 March 2013 10: 55 New
    0
    Great news and cool article! Thank )
    And on the cabin of the nuclear-powered icebreaker “Kostroma” a five-pointed star appeared with the number “1” inscribed in it - that is how the submariners during the years of the Great Patriotic War counted their victories.

    That's right, so their Americans :)
  33. Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 28 March 2013 12: 16 New
    0
    Yes, the article is good, there is hope that everything is not so bad, let's hope. That everything will be repaired by our boats. I hope so
  34. SHOGUN
    SHOGUN 28 March 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    1998 - cut, 1999 - decommissioned, 1998 - removed from the structure, 1999 - disassembled. And why not touch, everything was chopped, decommissioned, sold. Are these years magical for EBN and his gang?
  35. crambol
    crambol 28 March 2013 12: 27 New
    0
    Quote: Postman
    - it is not connected in any way with the case of titanium alloy

    Absolutely right. Another thing is associated with titanium - noise reduction. The fact is that titanium alloys have increased damping compared to structural steels.
  36. postman
    postman 28 March 2013 12: 51 New
    +1
    Quote: crambol
    The fact is that titanium alloys have increased damping compared to structural steels.

    mmmm ....
    partially. but at a speed> 25 knots (in my opinion) already on the drum.
    I'm afraid to make a mistake, but the performance characteristics specified in the specification could be satisfied (in strength) only with titanium alloys. All the same, it's not a sphere
  37. crambol
    crambol 28 March 2013 13: 01 New
    +1
    Quote: Postman
    The performance characteristics specified in the technical specifications could be satisfied (in strength) only with titanium alloys.


    And I did not write about it. So the minus is out of place.
    1. postman
      postman 28 March 2013 19: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: crambol
      I did not write about this.

      this is my scripture.
      Quote: crambol
      So the minus is out of place.

      ?
      what is the minus?
      I did not put and do not put!
      / put + to compensate for someone's stupidity /
      1. crambol
        crambol 28 March 2013 22: 50 New
        0
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
        1. postman
          postman 29 March 2013 03: 26 New
          0
          Well, nonsense. I'm not +/- interested in a dispute, knowledge, proof, news.
          well and so on.
          about titanium by the way thank you. I did not know (did not think). titanium shovels (curse of the 90s) are increasingly in memory


          project 865 "Piranha"
          -diffusion-welded titanium layered structures with special properties
          - titanium fasteners Tu-204
          -roofing materials (copper-titanium)
          what
      2. crambol
        crambol 28 March 2013 22: 50 New
        0
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      3. crambol
        crambol 28 March 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      4. crambol
        crambol 28 March 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      5. crambol
        crambol 28 March 2013 22: 51 New
        0
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
  38. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 28 March 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    Account open - cool!
  39. Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 28 March 2013 18: 29 New
    0
    Account open - cool!
  40. zemlyak
    zemlyak 28 March 2013 19: 09 New
    0
    If only they did not plunder the money for modernization, otherwise it would turn out like in Vilyuchinsk. A few days ago they showed news on Star, the submarine was driven into a floating dock, and the money was stolen for repairs.
  41. Alexey M
    Alexey M 28 March 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  42. Alexey M
    Alexey M 28 March 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  43. Alexey M
    Alexey M 28 March 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  44. zemlyak
    zemlyak 28 March 2013 19: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Misantrop

    A long time ago
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Recycling the 1st and 2nd generation plazas, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This seems to have been dealt with by the Asterisk. Problem!
    For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
    This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
    A new terminology is not necessary to invent, it is known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is referred to as "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes with average repair
    Thank you for recalling the writer-marine painter Leonid Sobolev and his "Overhaul". The other day you need to re-read. I think that "Overhaul" is needed not only for the fleet, but also for the whole country.
  45. zemlyak
    zemlyak 28 March 2013 19: 29 New
    0
    Quote: Misantrop

    A long time ago
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Recycling the 1st and 2nd generation plazas, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This seems to have been dealt with by the Asterisk. Problem!
    For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
    This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
    A new terminology is not necessary to invent, it is known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is referred to as "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes with average repair
    Thank you for recalling the writer-marine painter Leonid Sobolev and his "Overhaul". The other day you need to re-read. I think that "Overhaul" is needed not only for the fleet, but also for the whole country.
  46. honest jew
    honest jew 29 March 2013 14: 23 New
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    I wonder how many again Perdyukovs will be plundered on this modernization?
  47. Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 29 March 2013 14: 53 New
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    I wonder how many again Perdyukovs will be plundered on this modernization?

    Respected! As an honest Jew, you should be aware of all the students of the tribe of Israel who are tied up in this business. I want to inform you: the times are not the same now! From somewhere, Ragozins, instead of "Perdyukov" (your words!) Now come from, S.K. Shoigu is an experienced, stern, convicted President. So ... titanium boats will be upgraded, your brothers by blood (and spirit) will have to suffer. or even curl up!
  48. Waterfall
    Waterfall 29 March 2013 23: 57 New
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    allowed Project 705K boats to evade fired enemy torpedoes and attack the enemy from an unexpected direction.

    Not true
    The issue with the defeat of such high-speed targets was closed with the advent of the Mk 48 (55 knots / 35 km) even before the entry of serial boats pr.705K into operation. And given the noisiness of the 705 project and the wretchedness of MGK-1001, there was a problem with detecting the enemy. The boat is simply shot from safe distances.
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    seven high-speed submarine killers

    And who to kill, really themselves ???
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    K-278 became completely undetectable for anti-submarine weapons

    At such depths, the "Fin" rang in the semi-Atlantic.
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    already at a depth of 800 meters, still remaining undetectable and invulnerable

    Mark 48 ADCAP and Mark 50 ALWT get it. For available (and still available) weapons, a depth of one kilometer is reachable, albeit sometimes with minor modifications.
    1. MURANO
      MURANO 30 March 2013 02: 11 New
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      Quote: Wasserfall
      And given the noisiness of the 705 project and the wretchedness of MGK-1001, there was a problem with detecting the enemy. The boat is simply shot from safe distances.

      +1
  49. newcomer
    newcomer 30 March 2013 11: 17 New
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    the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - gave full speed and stupidly came off. At the same time, the main purpose of tactical nuclear submarines at that time was seen in the interception of those same AUGs. Can you guess why such a speed? soldier

    thank you - enlightened. but I’ve thought all my life, I’ve been racking my brains: why does the likely enemy form aircraft carrier strike groups? It turns out to run away in horror from our heroic submarine. and they need carrier-based aviation in order to have time to fly towards the continent before our mighty torpedo hit them in the midship frame ...
    1. Firstvanguard
      Firstvanguard 31 March 2013 22: 04 New
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      AUGs, our probable friend, has been forming and is using for many, many years to "project power", which in Russian means to scare Aboriginal people. wink
  50. Madjestik85
    Madjestik85 April 22 2019 18: 55 New
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    the deepest, most inconspicuous and fastest submarines are made of titanium. they were made only in the Soviet Union ... modern Russia seems too tough for such boats