Russia upgrades titanium submarines

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Russia upgrades titanium submarines


Titanium - an element of the periodic system of chemical elements Mendeleev, atomic number 22. A light metal of a silvery hue with a half that of iron and a density and melting point of + 1660 ° С. Titanium is used for the manufacture of durable and high-quality things - reactor fittings, structural elements aviation and space technology, body armor and cases of expensive watches, dental implants and special tools.
And the Soviet Union was so steep and rich that it “molded” the whole submarine hull from titanium!

The unique K-162 submarine (661 “Anchar” project) is a record not reported by TASS. The K-162 underwater nuclear-powered missile cruiser could accelerate at a depth of 44,85 knots (≈83 km / h). Special features required special technical solutions - for the first time K-162 stories World shipbuilding was completely made of titanium.

Crystal Titanium Bar

A series of submarines with titanium hulls of the project 705K (cipher "Lira") - seven high-speed submarine killers capable of developing underwater 41-nodal course. "Lyra" could pursue any enemy of the sea and just as easily escape from prosecution. They needed about 1 minutes to accelerate to full speed, and the circulation with a turn to 180 ° was performed in just 42 seconds! Outstanding speed and maneuverability characteristics allowed the 705K boats to evade enemy torpedoes and attack the enemy from an unexpected direction.

The “submarine fighters” of the 705K project often became the object of criticism for its excessive complexity and poor choice of power plant - a reactor with a liquid metal coolant, despite its high power density, every second was a deadly threat to the crew of the boat. Even in the base, the ZhMT reactor always required external heat supply - the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to a catastrophe. Nevertheless, the Lyra, in spite of all the “probable opponents,” honestly served in the Soviet Navy. Despite a number of serious accidents, none of the Lear was lost. And not a single person died in the struggle for their vitality.

Another record holder is The Elusive Mike. That is what the American sailors called the Soviet experimental submarine K-278 "Komsomolets" (project 685 "Fin") with a maximum depth of more than 1 kilometer. Lightweight and durable titanium hull withstand tremendous water pressure - in August 1985, the Komsomolets set the absolute world record for diving depth for submarines - 1027 meters! Falling into the cold, impenetrable mist, the K-278 became completely undetectable for the enemy anti-submarine weapons. At the same time, already at a depth of 800 meters, still remaining undetectable and invulnerable, the Komsomol member could use his torpedo weapon

Small merciless killers of the project 705K (the cipher "Lira")

Titanium alloys were used in the manufacture of robust hulls of the giant "Sharks" (SSBN project 941). At about the same time, the industry of the Soviet Union began the serial construction of third-generation multipurpose nuclear submarines with titanium hulls under the 945 project (cipher "Barracuda") and, a little later, according to the improved project 945А (cipher "Condor").
Unique boats are still of considerable value, and it is precisely with their existence that the next 2013 intrigue of the year is connected.

According to a statement published in early March, the Russian Ministry of Defense and Zvezdochka Center Ship Repair OJSC signed a contract to restore technical readiness through repairs with the modernization of two nuclear submarines with K-239 B-276 Kostroma (former K -276 "Crab") of the 945 project. In the future, such upgrades will be carried out by the B-336 Pskov and B-534 Nizhny Novgorod - submarine nuclear-powered project 945А.

Modernization of titanium submarines should raise their combat capabilities to a new level. The boats will be equipped with a new modification of the OK-650 reactor (a unified power plant of all Russian nuclear ships 3 and 4 generations), the sonar complex of submarines will be replaced, and the Caliber missiles will appear in the arsenal. Radio electronics will be radically updated, active noise absorbers will appear, instead of the usual periscope, installation of a multi-purpose mast with video cameras and laser range finders is possible - everyone on the central post, and not just the officer at the periscope eyepiece, can observe the surface situation.

New technologies in the durable titanium case of the “Soviet hardening” should turn the modernized “Condors” and “Barracudas” into a storm of the seas; In their totality of characteristics, old nuclear-powered ships will not yield to submarines of the new, fourth generation.

“This decision of the Main Command of the Navy, supported by the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, seems reasonable, since it is about two times faster to repair and upgrade existing submarines, including titanium ones, than to build new ones. This will require less financial expense. ”

- source of the Ministry of Defense

The representative of the Ministry of Defense stressed that the decision to return titanium submarines to the composition of the Navy's permanent readiness forces was made in January, and the first stage of the modernization of the K-B nuclear submarine B-239 will begin in the summer of 2013. It was noted that the Russian Defense Ministry had returned to the idea of ​​restoring four titanium submarines in connection with the problems of saturation of the Navy with new ships. First of all, this concerns delays in the construction of the fourth-generation multi-purpose submarines of the 885 "Ash" project.

NPS K-239 "Karp", photo from the Norwegian aircraft, 1 November 1984 g.



Carp these days. The boat was withdrawn from the North fleet in 1998 year


Multipurpose nuclear submarine B-239 "Karp" (formerly K-239) of the 945 Barracuda project (Sierra-I according to NATO classification)

It is intended for searching and tracking submarines and surface ships of a potential enemy, attacking naval targets.

Bookmark - 1979 year, launching - 1981 year, commissioning - 1984 year;

Crew: 60 people;

Displacement above-water / underwater - 6000 / 9600 tons;

The length of the constructive waterline (KVL) - 107,16 m;

The two-part design, the strong case is made of titanium, consists of 6 compartments;

Power plant: 1 reactor OK-650А thermal power 180 MW, 4 steam generator, 2 turbogenerator, 2 battery group, 2 diesel generator DG-300 according to 750 hp with a supply of fuel for 10 days, 1 main screw, 2 of the small-stroke engine for 370 kW, two small-stroke screws.

Maximum submerged speed - 35 nodes;

Immersion depth - 480 meters;

Extreme depth of immersion - 550 meters;

Armament:

- 2 torpedo tubes, caliber 650 mm, 12 ammunition "long" torpedoes and PLUR;
- 6 torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm, 28 torpedoes, PLUR "Waterfall" and high-speed Rocket-torpedo "Shkval";
- MANPADS for self-defense.
* All the above data are valid for a non-modernized submarine

"Barracuda" and "Condor" ships are not simple - the titanium case opened up absolutely amazing prospects for Soviet submariners. First of all, the high strength and low density of titanium made it possible to achieve almost twice the strength with the usual ratio of load items (hull weight is about 40% of the standard displacement of the submarine). As a result, the “Barracuda” had a 1,5-2 times more than the working depth of the dive than any of the Soviet boats of the previous generation and promising foreign analogs - it could sink into the depths up to half a kilometer, while still having the ability to use torpedo weapons and speeds! The Condor plunged even deeper - to 600 meters.

For comparison, their peers, the multi-purpose American submarine of the type "Los Angeles" rarely worked at depths above 250 meters. The maximum depth for an American submarine is called within 450 meters.
Of course, the combat capabilities of modern boats are determined not only by the speed of travel and the depth of immersion, but the magnificent combination of large working depths and high speeds of the underwater course of the Soviet "Condors" and "Barracudas" is commendable.

Separately, it is worth mentioning about reliability and durability - titanium is not susceptible to corrosion, the barracudus titanium cases of the 30-year-olds still retain their original “shine” under a layer of rotted sound-absorbing rubber coating.
Finally, another important advantage of the titanium hull is a radical reduction in the magnetic field of the boat.

There is only one drawback - the high price and complexity of manufacturing a titanium case ... but, fortunately, we are no longer faced with such a problem. The Soviet industry was engaged in the manufacture of titanium cases, the super-boats were built many years ago - which means you only need to change the “stuffing” and thank the USSR for its great heritage.

The Kildin Island incident, which occurred in February 1992, best describes the strength of these submarines: the Russian submarine K-276 Kostroma (the same “titanium” project 945) accidentally collided with the American submarine Baton Rouge ( USS Baton Rouge SSN-689). At that moment, when the Baton Rouge was at a periscope depth, it suddenly came under the ram attack of a emerging Soviet submarine — the Kostroma struck with its wheelhouse directly into the center of the American spy's corps.

Damage to "Kostroma"

From surprise, both submarines jumped to the surface, a cold sweat came out at the American sailors - go “Kostroma” one meter higher, it would hit the “American” with its nasal tip. In all cases, the Russian submarine was to break through the titanic hull of the shaky side of the Baton Rouge, drowning the “likely enemy” right at the entrance to the Kola Bay.
However, the Russian submariners did not seduce such prospects at all - the strongest blow to the bow of the boat could lead to the detonation of the torpedoes' combat units, destroying both opponents.

The final of the tragicomedy is obvious: “Kostroma” healed its lacerated wounds and returned again to the fulfillment of the tasks set in the ocean. “Baton Rouge” independently reached the home base, but the resulting damage (first of all, microcracks and internal stresses in the hull made repair of the boat impractical. Baton Rouge stood in reserve for a couple of years until it was finally written off in 1995. Evil tongues say that at the time of the collision a fire broke out on board the Baton Rouge, perhaps there were human casualties.

The international conflict was settled quickly: the Americans said that at the time of the collision, the Baton Rouge was in neutral waters outside the 12-mile zone of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. On this and agreed. And on the cabin of the nuclear-powered Kostroma, a five-pointed star appeared with the 1 number inscribed in it — this is how submariners scored their victories in the years of the Great Patriotic War.

B-336 "Pskov" in Ara-Guba (Kola Peninsula), 2004 year



On the right board, the consequences of a fire in the SRH-82 dock are noticeable.


Multipurpose nuclear submarine B-336 "Pskov" (formerly K-336 "Perch") of the 945A "Condor" project (NATO Sierra-II)
It is intended for searching and tracking submarines and surface ships of a potential enemy, striking at sea targets.

Bookmark - 1989 year, launching - 1992 year, commissioning - 1993 year.

Crew: 60 people;

Displacement above-water / underwater - 6500 / 10400 tons;

The length of the constructive waterline (KVL) - 110,5 m;

The two-part design, the strong case is made of titanium, consists of 6 compartments;

Power plant: 1 reactor OK-650Б thermal power 190 MW, 4 steam generator, 2 turbo-generator, 2 battery group, 2 diesel generator DG-300 according to 750 hp with a supply of fuel for 10 days, 1 main screw, 2 of the small-stroke engine for 370 kW, two small-stroke screws.

Maximum submerged speed - 35 nodes;

Immersion depth - 520 meters;

Extreme depth of immersion - 600 meters;

Armament:

- 2 torpedo tubes, caliber 650 mm, 8 ammunition "long" torpedoes and PLUR;
- 4 torpedo tubes of caliber 533 mm, 32 torpedo ammunition, PLUR "Waterfall" and high-speed missile torpedoes "Shkval";
- MANPADS for self-defense.

* All the above data are valid for a non-modernized submarine


On the front of the cabin there is a star with the number "1". Account is open.
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  1. +9
    27 March 2013 08: 34
    Very interesting, thanks for the article.
    1. yak69
      +4
      27 March 2013 18: 32
      At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!
      I don’t know if this is true or not, but then there was surprise and admiration from the story for the courage and health of the submariners.
      And the name of the sub was "Goldfish".
      That was the story.
      1. 0
        27 March 2013 20: 13
        Quote: yak69
        At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!

        Heh, at a depth, the transition from compartment to compartment is generally impossible - all hatches tightly clamps

        A harsh thread is a childish prank.
        I was told how on the "Komsomolets" when passing a certain depth (600 ... 700 meters - not the point) one of the bulkheads in the central post was deformed (bent). All this happened with an eerie roar, it really seemed that the boat was falling apart - all this, multiplied by the moral pressure during deep-sea diving, led to various funny changes in the behavior of the "beginners" and brought a lot of joy to the "experienced" wink

        However ... I would have been in such a situation for the first time, it was also no laughing matter))))) and in the latrine the door must have jammed))))
      2. +16
        27 March 2013 20: 14
        Quote: yak69
        At the end of the 70's, a submarine officer told me about a titanium boat. He served on such. When she plunged to the maximum depth, they pulled a harsh thread in their warheads from side to side, and then, after surfacing, tried again to do the same. He says that the thread was not enough - she did not reach the side a few centimeters!

        Heh, at a depth, the transition from compartment to compartment is generally impossible - all hatches tightly clamps

        A harsh thread is a childish prank.
        I was told how on the "Komsomolets" when passing a certain depth (600 ... 700 meters - not the point) one of the bulkheads in the central post was deformed (bent). All this happened with an eerie roar, it really seemed that the boat was falling apart - all this, multiplied by the moral pressure during deep-sea diving, led to various funny changes in the behavior of the "beginners" and brought a lot of joy to the "experienced" wink

        However ... I would have been in such a situation for the first time, it was also no laughing matter)))))
        1. +2
          27 March 2013 21: 02
          Guys, and I thought such fun went along with single-hull submarines. If, as you say, it clamps the hatches between the compartments, then it will also clamp the armaments - torpedo tubes, ASGs and so on ... so it will not be lost for long ...
          1. +2
            27 March 2013 21: 59
            Quote: Wedmak
            If, as you say, it clamps the hatches between the compartments, then the armament will clamp accordingly

            no, it was another fantasy)))
        2. Mr. Red
          0
          April 1 2013 22: 02
          Was in St. Petersburg in "Narodovoltsa". Fighting in such conditions - not every force!
      3. Misantrop
        +19
        27 March 2013 21: 06
        In factory tests, before diving, he pulled a string along the passage corridor 7 of the compartment. At a meter height, the length of the compartment is 12 m. When they left for 310 m, the middle of the thread lay on the deck. At a depth it compresses pretty pretty. The bulkhead doors are not pinched, their design is not the same, but the doors of the premises were opened with a special order. And one (the smartest) of the delivery crew went into the latrine. So he sat there for half an hour, until they floated 200 meters wassat
      4. +8
        28 March 2013 10: 35
        the soul rejoices that the best submarines are returning to service, from these boats the aircraft carrier groups scattered in the Pacific and the Atlantic
        1. +7
          28 March 2013 11: 34
          They’re still NOT running like that, driving the insolents into cockroach slots. It’s time to pay the old bills: for the Cold War, for the collapse of the Union and for other mischief caused to US and PEACE. This is the alignment — you won’t be strong, they’ll eat you up.
        2. +1
          29 March 2013 04: 59
          This link details the contact of this submarine with a U.S. boat. SSBN 627 Bill Rogers (Lafayette type) http://warfiles.ru/show-3433-arsenal-titanovyy-mech-v-podvodnyh-glubinah.html
        3. Containers
          0
          31 March 2013 01: 59
          This is a PCB - torpedo. Their goal is enemy submarines. They could not frighten the AUG, they were more likely to guard the SSGNs — with cruise missiles, which were made just under the AUG.
      5. vyatom
        +4
        28 March 2013 10: 48
        Quote: yak69
        And the name of the sub was "Goldfish".

        Yes, this is the famous 661st project. Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice. I would not regret a couple of hundred to walk through the compartments of the legendary submarine.
        1. +2
          28 March 2013 11: 09
          Quote: vyatom
          Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice.

          Disposed of at Zvezdochka in the period 2008-10
          1. 0
            28 March 2013 20: 10
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            Quote: vyatom
            Make a museum out of it. It would be very nice.

            Disposed of at Zvezdochka in the period 2008-10


            that is, it is possible that they are female sabak
    2. bezumnyiPIT
      +4
      28 March 2013 09: 04
      Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!
      1. +7
        28 March 2013 11: 10
        Quote: bezumnyiPIT
        Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

        USSR Navy
        1. +8
          28 March 2013 16: 46
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
        2. 0
          28 March 2013 16: 47
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
        3. 0
          28 March 2013 16: 47
          Quote: bezumnyiPIT
          Glory to the Navy of the Russian Federation!

          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          USSR Navy

          Russian engineers, technologists and workers who designed and assembled it!
  2. +20
    27 March 2013 08: 50
    Correctly modernize and go into battle again
    1. +6
      27 March 2013 11: 37
      It is imperative to modernize how many good splinters in the ocean will be, so that Amers are not calm in their states Yes
    2. +5
      27 March 2013 13: 20
      titanium in the system is five!
    3. +11
      27 March 2013 19: 52
      Indeed, the potential is enormous. Why something "new" - these boats are already "space of the submarine fleet" in themselves. They do not seek from goodness. Carry out a deep modernization of the filling - and go! It would be nice if the 705th project "Lira" was reanimated - this is generally a PLAGUE))) Small, maneuverable, high-speed - a real fighter !!! "Alphas" rule - "Sea Wolves" nervously smoke on the sidelines ....))
      1. +3
        27 March 2013 20: 47
        Quote: Voodoo
        Alphas rule

        the shortcomings of the 705th were enough. Therefore, their development did not go (not counting Gorbach with his restructuring)
      2. +4
        27 March 2013 23: 01
        Lira is very noisy, and they’ve already cut them, titanium can be sold, these skinned ones would be taken ...
        1. +4
          27 March 2013 23: 09
          Brothers! You know perfectly well that the "Alpha" was noisy - at least not the titanium case)). This is about ...
          1. mamba
            +5
            28 March 2013 09: 11
            Quote: Voodoo
            You know perfectly well that the "Alpha" was noisy - at least not the titanium case)). This is about ...

            There was information that at the maximum speed of the underwater course, these submarines literally rattled and they were heard very far away. But if such a boat went on the attack, then it was a requiem for the enemy.
      3. 0
        28 March 2013 21: 21
        Quote: Voodoo
        Indeed, the potential is huge.

        Soviet Titanium Assembly ..... mine is forever hi
  3. +4
    27 March 2013 08: 55
    Yeah, boats are what you need! They knew how to do it before. The hands of our democrats — the liberals — didn’t reach them well!
    So many articles have already been written about submarines in recent years, which is simply now obliged to go to the leading position in terms of quality and quantity!
    1. +2
      27 March 2013 10: 06
      Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
      The hands of our democrats-liberals didn’t get to them well!

      Unfortunately, we got there - we managed to cut some of the boats am
      Good morning everyone hi
      1. +4
        27 March 2013 11: 41
        But still, at least the remaining ones should be modernized. These submarines can be upgraded several times, since the hulls are almost not subject to corrosion and titanium is much stronger than steel.
      2. +4
        27 March 2013 14: 54
        Quote: р_у_с_с_к_и_й
        The hands of our democrats-liberals didn’t get to them well!


        Quote: Ghen75
        Unfortunately, we got there - we managed to cut some of the boats

        And here are the hands of liberal democrats?

        The titanium "firstborn" K-162 left the permanent readiness forces of the Northern Fleet in 1984 - numerous problems affected the operation of the unique boat. Cutting of K-162 began only in 2008. Disposed of by October 2010.

        All titanium Lyres were withdrawn from the fleet until 1990, except for the K-123, which was overhauled until 1992. The boat was excluded from the list of ships only in 1997 - the consequences of a major accident in 1982, when the 1st circuit of the reactor was depressurized, flooding the aft compartments with a deadly radioactive metal coolant. It was not possible to completely restore the boat.
        Disposal of "Lear" is being carried out today.

        Titanium "Komsomolets" sank on April 7, 1989

        The only loss in the "dashing nineties" - they could not finish building the titanium nuclear submarine of the fourth generation 945B "Mars"
        1. Misantrop
          +9
          27 March 2013 21: 16
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          the consequences of a major accident in 1982, when the first reactor circuit was depressurized, flooded the feed compartments with a deadly radioactive metal coolant.

          Don't panic. There poured a puddle about one and a half meters across on the deck of an uninhabited reactor compartment. They scraped it off in front of us. In addition, due to the peculiarities of this coolant, the main part of the activity is in the alpha range (i.e., the stratum corneum of his own skin serves as protection for a person). And no one went to the stern without a respirator anyway - unpleasant fumes from turbine oil. From him (if without a "muzzle") then the head hurts and the voice sits down. This boat was adjacent to the one on which we were in practice
          1. mamba
            +1
            28 March 2013 09: 51
            Quote: Misantrop
            the main part of activity is in the alpha range (i.e., the keratinized layer of his own skin serves as protection for a person).

            Most likely, there were three main types of radioactivity: α, β, γ, there were only neutrons. When an alpha particle moves in the skin, it creates strong ionization and, as a result, loses energy very quickly. At α и β really small penetrating ability, but this does not save from skin lesions leading to cancers such as basal cell carcinoma. The likelihood of their occurrence increases at times in the presence of existing skin lesions: post-burn scars, lupus erythematosus.
            1. Snake4
              0
              April 1 2013 16: 44
              for OK-40 with bismuth-lead coolant, all the damaging effect will be limited only to α particles from the surface - the result of the accumulation of bismuth isotopes primarily in the coolant, β, γ - inside the reactor - highly enriched uranium, but not in the coolant.
              Total protection when working with a coolant - anti-radiation suit or chemical protection suit, without exposed skin
              Let me remind you that α particles are helium atoms without an electron, therefore the path in their soft tissues to the interaction is very short, so do not compare α and β
              about mileage in various fabrics, see http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%EB%FC%F4%E0-%F7%E0%F1%F2%E8%F6%E0
          2. +1
            28 March 2013 11: 12
            Quote: Misantrop
            There poured a puddle about a meter and a half across on the flooring

            It’s not a puddle, but continuous leakages in the reactor circuits
        2. mamba
          0
          28 March 2013 09: 16
          Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
          the first circuit of the reactor was depressurized, and the feed compartments were filled with deadly radioactive metal coolant.

          If it was metallic sodium, then any contact with water could lead to an explosion and fire.
          1. Misantrop
            +7
            28 March 2013 19: 50
            Quote: mamba
            If it was metallic sodium

            What if there was gasoline instead of sodium? wassat Where does sodium come from? Lead-bismuth alloy heat carrier. There was another problem - slagging. Slag clogged the core ducts; frequent cleaning of the coolant was required. And one more strange feature of these boats was the main power network of 400 Hz. Well, the weak reliability of the automatics of those years also added extreme. PU GEM was located in the stern of the central center on the left side. A kind of "piano" 3,5 m long. The operator has a chair on casters, sitting on which he moves along the console if necessary. Quite convenient, BUT ... if the automation turns sour, then while the instrumentation engineer is repairing it, the operator pushes the chair aside and jumps like a dog to 4, turning the flywheels and switches of manual control units (they are in the knee area under the horizontal panel The watch turned out to be very busy lol
          2. Misantrop
            +2
            28 March 2013 19: 51
            Damn, the forum again makes a fool, doubles the message. In general, there were good boats, it’s nice to remember ...
  4. Mother russia
    +28
    27 March 2013 09: 07
    With hulls made of titanium, boats with optimal hydrodynamic contours can serve for 50 years - you just need to change the "filling" in time.

    The article is a big plus.

    Project 945 boats by the level of unmasking signs, such as noise and magnetic fields, became the most inconspicuous in the Soviet Navy. If you make a mistake, please correct.
    Yes, and they are very beautiful. And what is beautiful, it walks well in the depths of the ocean.

    By the way, our "Kostroma" has not so much crumpled the wheelhouse - there, the boat is intact, they will also modernize good . Amer was forced to write off.
    That's really - an underwater fighter! lol
    1. Rustiger
      +3
      27 March 2013 11: 29
      became the most inconspicuous in the Soviet fleet. If you make a mistake, please correct.

      Titans have another advantage, as the article says correctly - SPEED

      In my opinion, the project 877 Halibut diesel submarine is considered the quietest in the world,
      http://www.nashflot.ru/page/sssr/www.snariad.ru/4
      but are now decommissioned.
      Today, they are considered one of the quietest multipurpose nuclear submarines of the 4th generation K-329 (Severodvinsk).

      You can see here -
      http://topwar.ru/368-podvodnaya-lodka-samaya-tixaya-v-mire.html
      polit.pro/news/2012-08-15-6786
      maxpark.com/community/politic/content/1455868
      1. Rustiger
        0
        27 March 2013 11: 48
        http://army-news.ru/2013/01/podvodnye-lodki-nepobedimoe-oruzhie-slabyx/
        - the quietest diesel boats in the world
      2. Misantrop
        +4
        27 March 2013 21: 21
        Quote: Rustiger
        To date, they are considered one of the quietest

        If you really evaluate in the complex your own noises + the ability to detect an enemy, then by far the best atomic planet on the planet is 971
        1. MURANO
          -4
          28 March 2013 00: 09
          Quote: Misantrop
          If you really evaluate in the complex your own noise + the ability to detect the enemy, then so far the best atomic planet on earth is

          Los Angeles on and on for the novelty list.
          1. Misantrop
            +6
            28 March 2013 00: 36
            Quote: MURANO
            Los Angeles on and on for the novelty list.

            Enough telling fairy tales. I did not write in vain "if really evaluate. " actual hiking, mutual tracking. And not for brochures. According to them, no one can catch the Americans laughing
            1. MURANO
              0
              28 March 2013 00: 44
              Quote: Misantrop
              According to the results of actual campaigns, mutual tracking.

              Do you know the results on their part? smile
              Quote: Misantrop
              And not for brochures.

              There is objective data on the capabilities of ours and their HAC. And these are not advertising booklets. smile
              1. Misantrop
                +6
                28 March 2013 02: 07
                Quote: MURANO
                There is objective data on the capabilities of ours and their HAC. And these are not advertising booklets.

                Well yes, everything is there. And at the same time, there are cases of the emergence of our nuclear submarines right in the zone of their exercises on anti-aircraft missile defense. No one is heard until the ascent. Despite the fact that they have everything with secrecy is simply disgusting by definition. And the cases of being (for a week or more of our nuclear submarines inside the AUG. Who the hell would they let them in if they discovered. Or am I confusing something and they played along to us so that we relax? winked
                1. MURANO
                  +1
                  28 March 2013 02: 38
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Or am I confusing something

                  Do not confuse. The cases are by ear and known .. only they are single.
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  Who the hell would they let them in if they found

                  Allowed. For the study of action. Plus the human factor has not been canceled. Everyone can "stick" ...
                  Do not get me wrong. I'm not a fan of the West. And we served in the same fleet. MGK-540 is not a BQQ-5, unfortunately.
                  Regarding 877 ... How, for example, do they determine the distance to the target in the pass mode on it, and how do the Turks on the 209th do the same, for example?
    2. gagarinneon
      +2
      27 March 2013 13: 20
      Especially like it
      "Separately, it should be said about reliability and durability - titanium is not subject to corrosion, titanium cases of 30-year-old Barracudas still retain their original" shine "under a layer of decayed sound-absorbing rubber coating.
      Finally, another important advantage of the titanium hull is the drastic reduction of the boat's magnetic field. "
      Titanium, as I understand it, is not subject to corrosion at all, and it means the service life of this metal is several times greater than metal.
      1. mamba
        +2
        28 March 2013 10: 00
        Quote: gagarinneon
        titanium is not subject to corrosion, the titanium cases of the 30-year-old Barracudas still retain their pristine “shine” under a layer of decayed sound-absorbing rubber coating.

        If only a durable case is made of titanium, then the rubber coating is mounted not on it, but on a lightweight case. If the lightweight body is made of steel, then how is the problem of electrolysis in seawater solved, because of which the steel structures of the pier melted?
        1. Misantrop
          +1
          29 March 2013 10: 52
          Quote: mamba
          If only a durable case is made of titanium, then the rubber coating is mounted not on it, but on a lightweight case

          It is clear that both cases are made of titanium alloy, durable and lightweight. Otherwise, the light would have crumbled in a few months. And rubber is sometimes glued to both a strong and a lightweight case (on a durable - thinner). I met this, although not at all. Interestingly, different grades of titanium have very different electrochemical activity. If for the "Golden Fish" they were forced to build a special reinforced concrete floating pier, near which she stood in splendid isolation, moored through wide rubber rafts (otherwise steel from reinforced concrete would survive), then 705 stood in a heap of 2-3 hulls on each side of the usual one, steel. Moreover, an ordinary steel floating barrack was also moored there for the rest of the watchmen (after all, the reactors were not extinguished there even in the base - the coastal boiler house turned out to be too nasty and unreliable). And nothing was eaten up by electrochemical corrosion.

          And on "Sharks" the hulls were not titanium, but steel. Like the BDRM, it used AK-34 austenitic steel (slightly cheaper than titanium, by the way), which is not much inferior to titanium in mechanical characteristics (except for weight)
    3. DAEDALUS
      0
      27 March 2013 19: 26
      When the shells, God forbid, run out, then they will hit with a ram! wink
      1. mamba
        0
        28 March 2013 10: 04
        Quote: DAEDALUS
        When the shells, God forbid, run out, then they will hit with a ram!

        There are no shells there, just as there are no guns. And when torpedoes and missiles end, then it’s possible to do a ram like Jules Verne’s. And the old science fiction will show us from the grave: good
    4. 0
      28 March 2013 10: 23
      Taran - the weapon of the daredevils wink
  5. +4
    27 March 2013 09: 13
    What foty!
    What a boat!
    What a great news!
  6. +1
    27 March 2013 09: 22
    Good article, and the news is great too !!!
    I love the sea.....
  7. avt
    0
    27 March 2013 09: 33
    The stock does not pull the pocket, let it be. There is no point in saving on modernization. That would raise Komsomolets and restore. Out of principle!
    1. 0
      27 March 2013 12: 28
      There is nothing to restore there. Too much destruction
    2. +2
      27 March 2013 14: 05
      Quote: avt
      That would raise Komsomolets and restore


      Very unexpected, however, were the results of a survey of the hull of the submarine. According to the 1989 survey, it was believed that a solid hull, if it could get any damage, was only in the aft, where there was a fire. Then there was no data on its nose. Additional equipment of one of the Mir devices with a tele-sensor - a micro-television camera was installed on the tentacle of the device - made it possible to "look" into cracks, gaps and other openings of the light body.

      It was found that a sturdy case has destruction in the upper part of the nasal compartments. Previously, it was believed that the covers of torpedo tubes were closed and the tubes were airtight. But when the eye of the micro-camera was let through to the covers of the torpedo tubes, the video film showed: to one degree or another, the covers were ajar. The position of the submarine on the ground, in comparison with May 1989, has not changed much - only the amount of silt on the hull has increased. It was possible to find near the “Komsomolets" and some objects and devices from a submarine. In the compartment I, one and a half meters from the hull, a ship clock was found on the ground, which stopped at 17 hours 23 minutes, and at 17 hours 08 minutes the boat disappeared under water. Details were also found of the access hatch, especially the torn powerful studs for attaching the coaming of the hatch with nuts, the deformed ring of the valve of the hatch shutter, as well as the hydrophone of the onboard sonar system.

      The nature of the destruction of the solid hull in compartment I, as well as the composition and appearance of the objects raised, indicate that an explosion apparently occurred in the bow of the boat. The location of objects on the bottom and deck of the “K-278” indicates that the explosion occurred when the boat was already lying on the ground, or at the time of impact on it.
      1. 0
        28 March 2013 20: 29
        Chinese. NATO, for a long time and without problems, apparently there solve their issues ... alas, mine everything there
    3. PN
      +3
      27 March 2013 17: 01
      It is not customary to disturb mass graves.
      1. avt
        +1
        27 March 2013 19: 21
        Quote: PN
        It is not customary to disturb mass graves.

        This is if the government officially announces a military burial. Amers clung to this legal clue of international law when they tried to lift our entire diesel missile carrier.
      2. +2
        27 March 2013 20: 48
        Quote: PN
        It is not customary to disturb mass graves.

        S-80, K-141 raised. And not only them
  8. +6
    27 March 2013 09: 34
    If only everything worked out with modernization. By the way, under the Titanium Valley (Verkhnyaya Salda, Sverdlovsk Region) they continue to look for money, I hope that due to this, VSMPO will heal and the Navy (and not just Sukhoi) will be not the last client there.
    1. +4
      27 March 2013 14: 49
      Quote: Rambiaka
      If only everything worked out with modernization. By the way, under the Titanium Valley (Verkhnyaya Salda, Sverdlovsk Region) they continue to look for money, I hope that due to this, VSMPO will heal and the Navy (and not just Sukhoi) will be not the last client there.


      VSMPO-Avisma was strongly let down by the Ukrainian side,
      which disrupted the supply of raw materials (ilmenite), which led to the import of raw materials from Africa. This tripled its value. In this connection, VSMPO-Avisma is forced to invest up to 600 million dollars in the near future in the extraction of ilmenite in the Russian Federation in the Tambov region, and in the revitalization of the Demurinsky GOK in Ukraine. Therefore, part of the shares was sold to amers, but the controlling stake remained with Rostekhnologii
    2. nakaz
      +1
      27 March 2013 16: 42
      Only a systematic strengthening of the submarine fleet can eliminate the potential of the "sea coffins" - the aircraft carriers of the US Navy.
      1. Gari
        +3
        28 March 2013 00: 22
        Titanium is used for the manufacture of durable and high-quality things - reactor fittings, structural elements of aviation and space technology, body armor and cases of expensive watches, dental implants and special tools.
        And the Soviet Union was so steep and rich that it “molded” the whole submarine hull from titanium!
        Unique boats are still of considerable value, and it is precisely with their existence that the next 2013 intrigue of the year is connected.

        According to a statement published in early March, the Russian Ministry of Defense and Zvyozdochka Ship Repair Center OJSC signed a contract to restore technical readiness through repair and modernization of two nuclear submarines with titanium hulls B-239 Karp and B-276 Kostroma (former K -276 “Crab”) of project 945. In the future, similar upgrades will be carried out for the B-336 “Pskov” and the B-534 “Nizhny Novgorod” - submarine nuclear submarines of project 945A.
        The modernization of titanium submarines should raise their combat capabilities to a new level.
        New technologies in the durable titanium case of the “Soviet hardening” should turn the modernized “Condors” and “Barracudas” into a storm of the seas; In their totality of characteristics, old nuclear-powered ships will not yield to submarines of the new, fourth generation.

        Not so cool and rich to build new ones, but happy that they are modernizing

        There is only one drawback - the high price and complexity of manufacturing a titanium case ... but, fortunately, we are no longer faced with such a problem. The Soviet industry was engaged in the manufacture of titanium cases, the super-boats were built many years ago - which means you only need to change the “stuffing” and thank the USSR for its great heritage.
  9. Rustiger
    +5
    27 March 2013 11: 06
    If it is true that they (even the hulls) are afloat, then this can be considered a miracle. Frankly, surprised. I thought it was torn into tins for a long time. I saw with my own eyes at the pier, THEY ARE REALLY TINY !!!

    And you are boiling over the fleet in 92, was a noble one. After this incident, EVERYTHING was driven into the sea. On the "hunt". It seems that then even small patrolmen were put on an admiral. We combed it all the way to Spitsbergen. It was rumored that if someone succeeds in sniffing (or better to drown) a NATO member, they will be kindly treated.

    Good news. Still to take in the composition. A ball would be even better !!!!!!!
    1. 0
      27 March 2013 14: 23
      Quote: Rustiger
      I saw with my own eyes at the pier, THEY ARE REALLY TINY !!!

      Are you talking about Lyra or the 945 family?
      1. Rustiger
        +2
        27 March 2013 15: 11
        Perhaps the Lyra. Well sooo small. Especially in comparison with those standing nearby. Like the ZAZ-969 next to the Porsche Cayenne Approximately as in the photo. Even at the pier they stood the same. Only a couple of pieces
        Twenty years have passed. Then we were taken to the base of the submarine, on an "excursion". TS check for claustrophobia. We went down into big boats, but from the "little ones" even the ladders were not lowered. In their naivety, they thought that these were the ideal weasels to beat NATO members in Norwegian fjords.
        1. +2
          27 March 2013 16: 17
          Quote: Rustiger
          About as in the photo.

          So in the photo there are two ambals))))

          671 (or 971? - could not see) is a huge beast. It is he against the background of "Shark" seems to be a kid
          A shark is generally a masterpiece ... a boat that does not fit in the ocean)))))
          1. MURANO
            +1
            27 March 2013 18: 34
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            671 (or 971? - could not make out)

            This is 971
          2. +1
            27 March 2013 20: 43
            Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
            A shark is generally a masterpiece ... a boat that does not fit in the ocean)))))

            May it be to you, does not fit in the ocean, the length is equal to "Ohio", wider by 10 meters and higher by seven.
            Although pr.941 one feels some greatness.
        2. Misantrop
          0
          27 March 2013 21: 26
          In the Western face, why not see ...
      2. 0
        28 March 2013 10: 53
        in fact, the Lira project is a submarine fighter with a crew of 36 people (only officers and super-conscripts)
  10. +2
    27 March 2013 11: 21
    The news is really good, after such news it begins to seem that not everything is bad. That would be something else out of 955 projects laid out of titanium, then the amers would have definitely stopped sleeping.
  11. +8
    27 March 2013 11: 41
    By the way, the fleet development program is clearly traced. To create a new highly mobile submarine fleet is of course enchanting, but feasible: with the modernization of all titanium nuclear submarines, we will get 4 boats, and Yaseni will arrive in time there. Of course, if we work only for domestic demand. More boats, large and small, as they say.
  12. +1
    27 March 2013 12: 23
    Another good news, thanks, truly immortal Soviet legacy, where are those people now? why has everything become so with us? why destroyed a great country with great minds
    1. 0
      28 March 2013 10: 56
      Quote: Slevinst
      Another good news, thanks, truly immortal Soviet legacy, where are those people now? why has everything become so with us? why destroyed a great country with great minds
      ........... uh brother, these are the long ears of an American donkey. but it is now dragging itself in the states.
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  14. seed
    +6
    27 March 2013 12: 52
    "The titanium hulls of the 30-year-old Barracudas still retain their original 'luster' under a layer of decayed sound-absorbing rubber coating."

    I confirm, they shine. Where you expect from habit to see "paint on rust" only white metal. Wildly unusual at first.
    Correct solution.
  15. +3
    27 March 2013 13: 45
    K-222 is a second-generation Soviet nuclear submarine armed with P-70 Amethyst cruise missiles, the only ship built under Project 661 Anchar (titanium hull). The fastest submarine in the world, reaching underwater speeds of over 80 km / h (42 knots). For the high cost of building the boat was nicknamed the "Golden Fish". The experience gained in the development of project 661 was used in the design of 3rd generation SSGNs. Further work was carried out in the direction of reducing the cost and noise of the boat due to driving performance. A direct development of this concept was project 670 Skat. There is no alternative to submarines with titanium hulls. Save yourself more.
    1. +2
      27 March 2013 14: 11
      Quote: knn54
      There is no alternative to submarines with titanium hulls

      in the sense - there is no alternative? this alternative has been carrying rockets under water for over a dozen years
      1. +4
        27 March 2013 15: 33
        Vyacheslav. In the Black Sea Fleet of Russia, the rescue ship Kommuna, which turned exactly 100 years old this year, still serves and performs its work. In the manufacture of the ship's hull, a special ductile malleable ship steel was used, the secret of making it is now lost. The state of the Kommuna's hull, made of Putilov steel, remains almost ideal to this day - the iron structures installed on the catamaran already rust and turn into dust at a later time. SHIP-2 HULL WEAR… 3mm per century.
        The only alternative to a titanium case is to find the secret of "Putilov steel". Or, due to the corrosion of the case, to write off a unique and expensive weapon?
        1. +6
          27 March 2013 22: 49
          Quote: knn54
          The only alternative to the titanium case is to find the secret of "Putilov steel"

          Without claiming the laurels of the metallurgist, I can say that the main thing in this matter is the method of steelmaking. The open-hearth smelting method is a thing of the past, as less efficient and more expensive. Nowadays, when the pricing factor is paramount, we have to make various compromises ...
          In general, the steel used today in shipyards differs from that of 100 years ago, like IKEA furniture from a grandmother’s cabinet made manually from oak.
  16. 0
    27 March 2013 14: 19
    Milestones in the life path of the USS Baton Rouge nuclear submarine (SSN-689) ... today she would have turned 36 years old

    Houston, we have a problem



    Baton Rouge is proud to be recycled



    Saw off the nasal extremity



    Reactor compartments of reclaimed U.S. Navy submarines. No.64 - Baton Rouge
  17. +2
    27 March 2013 15: 52
    Lyra for its time was truly an advanced boat in many respects, including the level of automation of boat control.
    But she also had her own Achilles heel: a metal coolant used in the cooling system of an atomic reactor. This coolant had to be constantly kept warm even when the boat was at the berth. On the first boat of this type, this mode of heating was violated for some reason, the coolant hardened, the boat broke down and had to be decommissioned and cut into pieces. The construction of the remaining boats was in jeopardy. Sudprom (Minister Butoma) really did not want to mess with them and continued only thanks to Gorshkov’s personal intervention.
    1. ABV
      +3
      27 March 2013 17: 09
      why do our citizens have one stamp - speed? the underwater speed is not achievable to anyone ... or maybe, like the cowboy that nobody needs ... the main advantage of the submarine is its stealth ... noise on more than 40 nodes makes it difficult to see , so still heard almost in my house! the ephemeral opportunity to escape instantly from the attack results in the COMPLETE operating and storage conditions. I do not argue --- the 705 boats made a huge contribution to world science ... but as an experiment, and not as an effective means of anti-submarine and anti-ship fighting! you can minus ... and all our worst enemies never went down this path ... we must be able to admit mistakes and not be like Medvedev YES
      1. +1
        27 March 2013 19: 26
        Dear, you are not in the subject a little. Our citizens do not have and did not have any stamp. For your information, at the time of the development of the "Golden Fish", the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of a potential enemy's AUG was reduced to a very simple technique. We spotted the boat - we went full speed and stupidly broke away. At the same time, the main purpose of tactical nuclear submarines at that time was seen in the interception of those very AUG. Can you guess what this speed is for? soldier
        1. -1
          27 March 2013 20: 51
          Quote: Firstvanguard
          the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off

          Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))
          1. +4
            27 March 2013 22: 33
            Quote: Delta
            Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))

            Ash stump that will try to destroy.
            In peacetime - leave, break away ...
            The boat itself needs a high speed - when breaking through the Faroe-Icelandic border.
            1. Misantrop
              0
              27 March 2013 23: 00
              Quote: stalkerwalker
              during the breakthrough of the Faroe-Icelandic border
              That's where they sneak in the "silence" mode. Or hiding under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)
              1. MURANO
                +2
                28 March 2013 00: 14
                Quote: Misantrop
                Or hide under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)

                This was true 30 years ago. Spectral analysis easily separates noise ...
              2. +4
                28 March 2013 11: 54
                Quote: Misantrop
                That's where they sneak in the "silence" mode. Or hiding under a noisy surface ship (also helps a lot)

                When creating the "Lyra", a variant of the passage of the SOSUS system at full speed was calculated in order to divert the main forces of the enemy ASW and, thereby, to give the opportunity to pass unnoticed by other submarines, less slow-moving, but no less noisy.
                With a tight construction of the forces of the PLO, the boat may crawl at least on the belly, as a result, it either will not reach the intended coordinates on time, or it will be detected.
                1. -1
                  28 March 2013 12: 32
                  Quote: stalkerwalker
                  When creating "Lyra", a variant of the passage of the SOSUS system at full speed was calculated in order to divert the main forces of the ASW

                  where did this miscalculate? belay
                  1. +8
                    28 March 2013 15: 51
                    Quote: Delta
                    where did this miscalculate?

                    In the same place, where the methods / ways of breaking through the AUG submarine’s veil by means of detonating a torpedo’s nuclear weapon at a minimum depth ....
                    Guys, do I have to lay out all the tactics? You have an Internet ....
                    Or is it the "eternal sickness" of the "children of the dungeon" - giving valuable advice and guidance to the navigating bridge on course selection, speed and maneuvering?
                    Hi BCH-5 ...
                    hi
                    1. +4
                      29 March 2013 01: 18
                      Understood ....
                      In impotent rage, the red "muchaniks" minus ...
                      negative
          2. -1
            28 March 2013 11: 06
            Quote: Delta
            Quote: Firstvanguard
            the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off

            Funny)))) And in wartime the AUG will stupidly come off the submarine?)))

            naturally, they will do everything to blame and even remember the precepts of Nelson’s grandfather
            1. 0
              28 March 2013 12: 33
              Quote: hert
              naturally, they will do everything to blame and even remember the precepts of Nelson’s grandfather

              will do everything to drown the submarine. And there are plenty of funds for this
          3. 0
            31 March 2013 21: 46
            And in wartime it will stupidly come off. soldier
            The main element of the AUG is an aircraft carrier. He needs to be thrown, and he needs to survive. The warrant will fight the boat, as will the air wing. And the great and terrible himself - stupidly to come off bully
        2. +2
          27 March 2013 23: 55
          Good evening! While getting home, I missed the beginning of the discussion. So let me stick in.
          Quote: Firstvanguard
          the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - they gave full speed and stupidly came off.
          Yes, but this is only one of the elements of tactics: avoiding meeting the enemy. And then: a detachment of Viking submarine planes rose (there were 6 of them on the AVU). Buoys cutting off the barrier were set up. Frigates (30-35) from the AMG order fled to the point of detection (last contact) at full speed (2-3 knots depending on the sea, state of the vehicles). The on-call search operation began. And then who will outplay whom. If there is a hydrological section, there is a jump layer, then you can take cover and escape. The GPA was kept for serious business. But ours, as a rule, were not substituted. We went to the shadow control units of the aircraft carrier, the outermost ships of the order. The calculation (CBD) at this time was sweating for himself and for that guy.
      2. Misantrop
        +2
        27 March 2013 22: 38
        Quote: ABV
        our citizens have one stamp - speed?
        Already wrote before, the classic torpedo has a very small power reserve. Therefore, a speed boat can detect from a torpedo noise from it ... just get away. And in the documents of the US Navy for nuclear submarines when detecting torpedo noise there is only one recommendation - emergency ascent and crew rescue. Because in this case she has NO chances, even with partial depressurization of the body of the buoyancy reserve for the struggle for survivability, she does not have at all. There is a difference? wink
        1. -2
          27 March 2013 23: 45
          Quote: Misantrop
          Therefore, a high-speed boat can detect from a torpedo noise from it ... just leave

          What is the time to reach the maximum speed of the same "Lyra", say, from 10 knots? at the same time remember about
          Quote: Misantrop
          classic torpedo has a very small power reserve

          therefore, the enemy’s submarine will shoot from 20-30 km (we take the MK-48, as the most probable). Its speed in attack mode is 55 knots. From the simulated situation, you need to calculate whether the submarine can escape from the torpedo. Something tells me that it will not be able to, because even having a couple of minutes of full speed of 45 knots (and this is only provided that the reactor was brought out at 70-80% of the power before this), the submarine will still be slower than the torpedo , which in these couple of minutes will draw closer to a dangerous distance. I am wrong?
          1. Misantrop
            +6
            28 March 2013 00: 19
            Quote: Delta
            and this is only on condition that the reactor was brought to 70-80% of the power before

            At the nominal parameters, even a classic-type PPU (water-moderated) can be brought to maximum power in less than a minute. The ZhMT installation is gaining power in a matter of seconds. This is not an exaggeration. I myself am a nuclear power plant operator and a reactor commander. And on the 105th order of the 705 project, she had to go out to sea on tasks, being a senior cadet, her driving performance even then amazed. Really presses into a chair during acceleration, not every sports car is capable of such acceleration. Near-perfect streamlining, liquid-metal cooling and active-type propulsion turbine with a light rotor that picks up speed in seconds. Even then, the officers considered this question, in fact, it is capable of leaving if the acoustician does not clap a mitten. That is why we worked out this "jerk" at a slow speed.

            By the way, the entire installation is controlled by one person and (on most installations) by one handle. The power reserve is set for the etching valve, and then with the two fingers only the hand wheel of the turbine revolves, the power of the nuclear power is monitored automatically. We drove the BDRM to the maximum speed in less than a minute, and he had much more peace of mind, and jet turbines with massive rotors wink
          2. +3
            28 March 2013 01: 17
            Quote: Delta
            The submarine will still be slower than a torpedo, which will get close to a dangerous distance in a couple of minutes. I am wrong?

            Vyacheslav! You are absolutely right: the boat is slower than the attacking Mk-48! But the head of the commander is given not only to carry the cap, but in order after the report of G.A. And the rest is all right: TORPEDA FASTER BOAT ... and little chance, but oh how you want to live!
            1. +1
              28 March 2013 12: 38
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              Vyacheslav! You are absolutely right: the boat is slower than the attacking Mk-48! But the head of the commander is given not only to carry the cap, but in order after the report of G.A. And the rest is all right: TORPEDA FASTER BOAT ... and little chance, but oh how you want to live!

              Yes, I can say, Misanthrope convinced me. In any case, in theory. Practice, however, often diverges from theory. But it remains to believe that if this had happened, then everything would have happened just like that. The only correction is that a torpedo could be fired not from 20-30 km, as I originally asked, but from 5-6 kilometers, then even closer. Then the situation changes a little
        2. +3
          28 March 2013 01: 05
          Quote: Misantrop
          There is a difference?

          YES, not very significant! They have GAK in automatic mode! with digital processing of a signal! (we also have it starting with the "Skat") gives the command to fire the TA on duty at the bearing to the detected torpedo.
          Therefore, guys, do not forget to enter "Omega", and be sure to carry out post-salvo maneuvering!
          Amers traditionally have single-hull boats, with a buoyancy margin of about 12% (multipurpose). Here you will not fight for survivability! Therefore, they are practicing the "whale jump".
          1. 0
            28 March 2013 12: 40
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            with a buoyancy margin of about 12% (multipurpose). Here you will not fight for survivability! Therefore, they are practicing the "whale jump".

            and what gave the buoyancy reserve to our submarines in 30%? never saved
            1. +2
              29 March 2013 15: 20
              Quote: Delta
              and what gave the buoyancy reserve to our submarines in 30%? never saved

              Theoretically, the boats were built (calculated) by 23-28%, except for Project 941, the buoyancy reserve. This made it possible to take measures to save the ship. At the atamovs, where the energy reserve (steam) is huge, they managed to command "BUBBLE IN THE NOSE! NOSE ON ASCREATION! FORWARD FULL!" To continue the fight on the surface. It's more difficult with diesel engines. This is probably why they consider themselves to be true submariners. Project 949A ("Kursk") was generally considered unsinkable, but that's how it turned out ... So it's not necessary once and for all.
              The 3 generation boat was supposed to remain efficient even when a small compartment was flooded (except, it seems, the 1). During slow flooding, they gave a backpressure to the compartment and moved closer to God (the surface) to a depth safe from an NC ram strike (20-30м). These are the basics that every cadet knows about.
  18. -15
    27 March 2013 16: 22
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.
    1. biglow
      +6
      27 March 2013 16: 51
      Quote: savoj
      Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

      Do you work there that you all know? Here a friend from Israel also told me that steel Amer boats are much better than Soviet titanium boats, but here something is not visible
    2. +8
      27 March 2013 16: 53
      Quote: savoj
      Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.


      . The reactor does not change; the core is removed and the core changes. The reactor itself can be changed, but the entire reactor compartment is easier at once, which they will probably do. Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.
      In our bureaucratized time it is difficult to imagine that all management functions on planning, forming production programs of BTB and PTB, material support (from active zones to the Lepestok respirator), including capital construction, staff training, etc., carried out by 2 officers of the Technical Department of the Northern Fleet, which was also charged with the presence at the key stages of the next operation - opening the reactors and loading fresh nuclear fuel.
      1. Misantrop
        +4
        27 March 2013 21: 40
        Quote: Ascetic
        Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.

        Replacing the core - this does not apply to repairs at all. Most often, however, they tried to combine, but the core could be overloaded directly in the database. Especially for this purpose in Nikolaev PM-12 was built. Here she is in Olenyaya next to BDRM
      2. +4
        28 March 2013 00: 31
        Quote: Ascetic
        The reactor does not change, the core is removed and the core changes. The reactor itself can be changed, but it is easier to immediately the entire reactor compartment, which is likely to be done. Replacing the core is an average repair, not an upgrade.

        I really don't know: is there any point in leaving OK-650A on "945" (on 945A - OK-650B), if there is a new modification of OK-650V (for Ash and Boreyev). The industry is already sitting on them. Therefore, they will probably change in blocks, the fuel elements have apparently already been taken out and given for processing. Utilizing the 1st and 2nd generation submarines, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the flooded area. This, it seems, was "Zvezdochka". Problem! I did not see it myself, but knowledgeable people told. For cutting and (most importantly!) Welding of titanium, special conditions are needed: fluxes, an atmosphere of inert gas, strict temperature conditions for welding and cooling, etc. If these conditions are as achievable as in Soviet times, then the decision of the leadership of the Navy, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is understandable , Prom Commission on the restoration of these boats. That the filling will be changed as much as possible - I do not even doubt this, because need boats of the 4th generation. At the same time, they will do everything to reduce the noise as much as possible. Only with such initial data is the game worth the candle!
        Well, it is difficult to speak about medium or major repairs in such conditions. It will most likely be "recreation" (there is no such term in the Navy's GTU, I know). But too deep modernization of the boats of this project is planned.
        1. +2
          28 March 2013 01: 00
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Well, it is difficult to speak about medium or major repairs in such conditions. It will most likely be "recreation" (there is no such term in the Navy's GTU, I know). But too deep modernization of the boats of this project is planned.
          Then I agree, the phoenix from the ashes
          1. +2
            29 March 2013 15: 30
            Quote: Ascetic
            phoenix from the ashes

            Exactly! only stronger, smarter, further hearing, imperceptible (low-noise, non-magnetic ...), having strong muscles and ready to nag the foe. It also seems to me that men loyal to the Navy and loving HOMELAND (and not "this country") will serve on him ...
        2. Misantrop
          0
          28 March 2013 11: 35
          A long time ago
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Disposing of the 1st and 2nd generation submarines, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This, it seems, was "Zvezdochka". Problem!

          For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
          This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
          And there is no need to invent a new terminology, it has been known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is called "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes even with an average repair
    3. Misantrop
      +1
      27 March 2013 22: 33
      Quote: savoj
      Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.
      Well-proven OK-650 reactors stand on Barracudas. They, by the way, with minor modifications are put on the 4th generation. In the article about the type of reactor, by the way, it is written. Or was the article zapadlo read? wink
      1. +1
        28 March 2013 01: 09
        Quote: Misantrop
        Well-proven OK-650 reactors stand on Barracudas. They, by the way, with minor modifications are put on the 4th generation. In the article about the type of reactor, by the way, it is written. Or was the article zapadlo read?

        This is on Lyra 705pr. hemorrhoids OK-550 with MMT if I do not confuse anything? And the boat was unique ..
        1. -1
          28 March 2013 11: 17
          Quote: Ascetic
          This is on Lyra 705pr. hemorrhoids OK-550 with MMT if I do not confuse anything? And the boat was unique ..

          was (in theory) the 705 project.
          "Lira" without LMC, with a conventional pressurized water reactor
        2. Snake4
          0
          April 1 2013 17: 09
          Hemorrhoids was more likely in the absence of a normal boiler room to maintain a liquid fuel tank with a muffled reactor, which, incidentally, is also one of the reasons for their short lifespan.
  19. ABV
    +2
    27 March 2013 17: 01
    A good article, only at the beginning the author dragged the Lyra of the 705th project to the cashier at all .... and "Baton Rouge" is not an indicator .... Lada Kalina can also play with a Mercedes with less damage (in no case anyone no huh ...) just collisions are different ... and from different angles ... but in general, modernize them in terms of hydroacoustics, communications, BIUS and noisy - here's the next generation for you ..
    1. +1
      27 March 2013 17: 59
      I already once wrote on this topic, but still. Why then, if they say that it’s easier to upgrade, not to convert the Sharks into the carriers of the Kyrgyz Republic and RCC ... with their dimensions and the resulting salvo power, they will not be equal ... but they will be written off and sawed .... something unclear... request
      1. 0
        27 March 2013 21: 30
        Everything rests on money and desire, alas and ah, while with desire everything is bad.
  20. +2
    27 March 2013 21: 19
    Captain "Baton Rouge" zamusnul article)
    1. 0
      28 March 2013 13: 23
      Of course ... He’s hurt laughing
  21. +3
    27 March 2013 21: 40
    Crystal Titanium Bar


    Help for those interested.
    The photo shows not just titanium, but IODID TITANIUM! Extra pure material. Iodide is named according to the preparation method. His rods in our laboratory were about one and a half meters long and about three centimeters in diameter.


    Hi all!
    1. biglow
      +1
      27 March 2013 21: 45
      [quote = crambol

      tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break when hit. Once I found such rods they break when they hit the corner.
      1. itkul
        +1
        28 March 2013 17: 27
        Quote: biglow
        tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break when hit. Once I found such rods they break when they hit the corner.


        Zinc
  22. 0
    27 March 2013 21: 41
    Thanks to the USSR !!!
  23. +6
    27 March 2013 22: 21
    Quote: savoj
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

    Ahah, very dangerous, old bad design)))) The comment of a specialist is immediately visible! These reactors are advanced ahead of their time for decades ahead! But they demanded normal coastal support, if everything is so shitty with the coast that they cannot supply steam with sufficient parameters in order not to ditch the reactor - this does not mean that it is bad and dangerous. By the way about what is written in the article "the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to a catastrophe" - there is nothing to chew on snot, if you want to live, keep the mat. part is serviceable.
  24. -2
    28 March 2013 00: 21
    I want the 24th Volga from titanium)))
  25. Conepatus
    -2
    28 March 2013 01: 04
    Quote: avt
    The stock does not pull the pocket, let it be. There is no point in saving on modernization. That would raise Komsomolets and restore. Out of principle!

    If you remember how much the raising of the Kursk cost, it is cheaper to build a new Komsomolets than to get the old one.
  26. MURANO
    -3
    28 March 2013 02: 48
    By the way, about "the account is open", asterisks on the wheelhouse ....
    As crew members of the USS Tautog (SSN-639) American nuclear submarine recalled, after a collision with our K-108, they were all depressed, because they were just sure that they had sunk the Soviet submarine. And only a personal meeting of the commander of K-108 Baghdasaryan with US submarine veterans, including with USS Tautog debunked that confidence. During this time, no one even thought to put anything on the hull, as a statement of the death of a ship of a probable enemy. And we can do anything ..
    Feel the level.
    1. mamba
      0
      28 March 2013 10: 51
      Quote: MURANO
      As crew members of the USS Tautog (SSN-639) American nuclear submarine recalled, after a collision with our K-108, they were all depressed, because they were just sure that they had sunk the Soviet submarine. And only a personal meeting of the commander of K-108 Baghdasaryan with US submarine veterans, including with USS Tautog debunked that confidence.

      So after all, the article also says: From surprise, both submarines jumped to the surface. The Americans saw "Kostroma". Maybe she quickly sank and disappeared under water, but the amerovskie acoustics had to "see" how she was leaving.
    2. +2
      29 March 2013 18: 55
      Quote: MURANO
      During this time, no one even thought of putting something on the hull, as a statement of the death of the ship of a potential enemy. And we can all ..
      Feel the level.

      You will feel when the stamp will be removed from the sinking of the Kursk!
      And then you, sir, amers are white and fluffy, like the lambs of God, and "klyatyi iki" draw stars on logging (not on the hull, mind you!) sort of immoral types ... By the way, I appeal to the knowledgeable: to whose fleet do the rescue buoys of the submarines belong, such polasatye, GREEN AND WHITE? About which the former MoD has mentioned, commenting on the tragedy. The one that was a meter under water at the site of the tragedy?
      And then, the result of "close proximity" was the disposal of the combat unit of our "incredible friends". Victory, albeit indirect! And there is nothing to teach us about morality, first put things in order! Give Bendery people what they deserve! And then moralize about the actions of the guys from the strong case! Fascists are immoral bastards - but even they got up when a submariner entered a restaurant (a tavern, a pudding - it doesn't matter!)!
      "And you say: P A V L I N S!" So, a champion of GENERAL morality. In general, it is sad from such comments from a person who has NIK podlavovsky.
      1. MURANO
        -3
        29 March 2013 19: 56
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And there’s nothing to teach us morality, first put things in order!

        In suffered ..
        1. +3
          29 March 2013 23: 28
          Quote: MURANO
          In incurred.


          Yes, not suffered! Simply no need to talk badly about men, Sergei. Answer the forum users: where does NIK get away with? And if you have to do with the float and you have such judgments about those who looked over the edge.. I really don’t know what to think of, brother. Can it be sold?
          1. MURANO
            -2
            30 March 2013 01: 57
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Sergei.

            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            Maybe it sold out?

            The level is clear.
            Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
            You just don’t need to talk badly about men

            You do not understand a damn. And hardly understand.
            Thank God, not everyone is like that.


            1. +2
              30 March 2013 10: 36
              Quote: MURANO
              You do not understand a damn. And hardly understand.
              Thank God, not everyone is like that.

              Good morning! Sergei, you still answer: where does the nickname come from?

              And about understanding, well .. Everyone understands the best of their education. I was taught not by common human beings, but by former front-line soldiers.
              Maybe you yourself did not understand what you wrote? Read it over! If it were not for your "feel the level" I would have accepted your remark as information (attitude is different!). But you meanly add "We can do anything." Do you think the command of the division, flotilla, SF did not know about the star on the wheelhouse? or did the "competent authorities" not signal this to them? Those who looked at this star were also brought up by front-line soldiers. Therefore, they, too, apparently, their views are wrong, and they, like me, do not understand a damn thing. Well, it happens.
  27. ZAO
    ZAO
    +3
    28 March 2013 09: 01
    My beauty (in the first photo) !!! Two autonomies of 100 days each on K-276 as radiometrist in 1989 and 1990. Who was at that time, they know me - metro Dema.
  28. -5
    28 March 2013 09: 46
    Quote: doktor_alex
    Quote: savoj
    Russia will not be able to upgrade these boats for one reason. Reactors cannot be replaced, and they are very dangerous and of an old poor design.

    Ahah, very dangerous, old bad design)))) The comment of a specialist is immediately visible! These reactors are advanced ahead of their time for decades ahead! But they demanded normal coastal support, if everything is so shitty with the coast that they cannot supply steam with sufficient parameters in order not to ditch the reactor - this does not mean that it is bad and dangerous. By the way about what is written in the article "the slightest accident on the heating main could lead to a catastrophe" - there is nothing to chew on snot, if you want to live, keep the mat. part is serviceable.

    No patriotic and cheap slogans needed. Everyone here understands that these boats can no longer be restored, primarily because of the reactors. If it were possible, they would have done it a long time ago.
    1. 0
      28 March 2013 12: 29
      It is clear that you can’t return, the active zone has hardened, everything, a fatal accident, the boat is almost ruined. I’m just saying that the reactors weren’t bad, the shore supply was bad. And the supply of a full set of energy media from the shore in the base is the norm, and not a minus of the design, it’s another matter that the parameters of what comes from the shore are often not enough for us and it is almost considered normal to drive our own equipment against the wall.
  29. +2
    28 March 2013 10: 12
    Quote: biglow
    tell me which metal is still brittle, that the rods break on impact. Once I found such rods they break on impact.


    There are fragile metals and alloys. These include, for example, CHROME and BISMUT. They can be ground into powder in a porcelain mortar. In general, in our time, rods of unknown purpose from unknown metals are better not to pick up.

    PS I almost forgot. If oxygen gets into the melt during titanium melting, the metal will be destroyed. It will become fragile, like glass.

    Hey.
  30. postman
    +2
    28 March 2013 10: 45
    Afftor in the STUDIO (that is, dedicated to him!)
    1.
    Quote: Author
    And the Soviet Union was so cool and rich that it "sculpted" all titanium submarine hulls!


    Quote: Author
    the K-162 building for the first time in the history of world shipbuilding was fully made of titanium.

    Nein, ist nothing richtig.
    NOT made of titanium (pure), and from alloy Ti–Al-V (in our 48-review
    "pure" titanium "does not roll": α-ω and β-phases = Polymorphic transformation, accompanied by volumetric effects (up to 2,5%, both positive and negative).
    / your photo is not true, these are closer to the truth /



    2.
    Quote: Author
    And the Soviet Union was so cool and rich that
    ,
    WHAT?
    WHAT I PURCHASED VANADIUM PENTOXIDE (V2O5) CHDA (PURE FOR ANALYSIS) FOR 48-REVIEW IN FINLAND (!!!), for hard currency.

    / At the expense of yours / my moms, dads, grandparents somewhere until the end of the 70s (I can be wrong /
    That was until the production of ligatures in Leninabad and Chorukh-Dayron was organized.
    everytime:needed a decision of the USSR State Planning Commission
    3
    Quote: Author
    .K-162 submarine nuclear missile cruiser could accelerate to a depth of 44,85 knots (≈83 km / h)

    - it is not connected in any way with the case of titanium alloy
    (Flurry, cavitation bomb bombs of the USA, Germany and Japan?)
    - with the same depth
    Bathyscaphe Trieste = 10 919 m

    was airtight steel gondola spherical forms ...
    Cheap, angry and still not "broken" (in my opinion)
    1. postman
      0
      28 March 2013 10: 46
      (everything does not fit, again they will get a "troller")
      4.
      Quote: Author
      Lira could chase any naval adversary and just as easily evade pursuit.

      -speed of "any" naval enemy: aircraft, PLO helicopter more,
      Fairey Swordfish (1936) 207 km / h

      -speed: the highest speed - 45,25 knots (83,42 km / h) - showed in November 1935, XNUMX French destroyer Terriblis with a displacement of 2830 tons.
      US Navy hovercraft SES-100B 23,7 m long, with a full displacement of 100 tons, reached speed 91,9 knots (170,2 km / h).
      -Mk46 (maximum speed 45 knots, range up to 11 km, travel depth up to 450 m, range of the active-passive homing system about 1000 m, explosive weight 40 kg)
      -SS-N-27 ASW (91RE1): Missile Range: 27 miles (50 km)
      Speed: 2.6 Mach (1675 knots) Launch depth: <100 m
      5.
      Quote: Author
      At the same time, already at a depth of 800 meters, while still undetectable and invulnerable, Komsomolets could use its torpedo weapons

      -USET-80: Maximum depth of fire: 1000 m, guidance effective. only in depth up to 80 m.
      Blunk when shooting and while gurgling to ef. depths, the whole world will know about this dashboard.
      - deep-sea homing (up to 800 m) mine "Captor" Mk6, 533-mm torpedo tubes are exposed, and aircraft B-52, R-3, A-6 and A-7: by parachuting
      well, etc.
      =====================
      IMHO: paunchy pensioners from the Politburo decided to amuse their libido ("corn is the queen of the fields"), at the expense of the people essno ...
      but no one thought about combat and economic efficiency
      1. +1
        28 March 2013 12: 45
        THIS "author" is excusable. Well this is a new Pikul))))
        1. postman
          +1
          28 March 2013 12: 59
          Quote: Delta
          THIS "author" is forgivable

          come on. why spread rot then.
          to him (the author) in this regard, oh oh, how far is it to the LEADER (memories of a real Russian officer: "how I felled packs of NATO troops in Iraq on the s-200, including without the ROC, according to ballistic lead)" - well, something like that ) wink
          PS ... we are so teasing each other
          Quote: Author
          "Kostroma" struck with its wheelhouse directly to the center of the corps of an American spy.

          FUN !!!!
          she crushed ice at the north pole. The Americans are poor, after all, NOT TWO (and not 1,5 as the Germans sales) corps ...
          None of those "crumpled" (according to the UN EEC) zones. Well, we got the must
  31. CreepyUknow
    0
    28 March 2013 10: 45
    Right, right. Let the enemy be afraid to send submarines to our shores to spy - they will once again break the board. And it is no longer a fact that this boat will reach the base.
  32. Nightcrawler
    0
    28 March 2013 10: 55
    Great news and cool article! Thank )
    And on the cabin of the nuclear-powered icebreaker “Kostroma” a five-pointed star appeared with the number “1” inscribed in it - that is how the submariners during the years of the Great Patriotic War counted their victories.

    That's right, so their Americans :)
  33. 0
    28 March 2013 12: 16
    Yes, the article is good, there is hope that everything is not so bad, let's hope. That everything will be repaired by our boats. I hope so
  34. SHOGUN
    0
    28 March 2013 12: 23
    1998 - cut, 1999 - decommissioned, 1998 - removed from the structure, 1999 - disassembled. And why not touch, everything was chopped, decommissioned, sold. Are these years magical for EBN and his gang?
  35. 0
    28 March 2013 12: 27
    Quote: Postman
    - it is not connected in any way with the case of titanium alloy

    Absolutely right. Another thing is associated with titanium - noise reduction. The fact is that titanium alloys have increased damping compared to structural steels.
  36. postman
    +1
    28 March 2013 12: 51
    Quote: crambol
    The fact is that titanium alloys have increased damping compared to structural steels.

    mmmm ....
    partially. but at a speed of> 25 knots (in my opinion) already on the drum.
    I'm afraid to make a mistake, but the performance characteristics specified in the specification could be satisfied (in strength) only with titanium alloys. All the same, it's not a sphere
  37. +1
    28 March 2013 13: 01
    Quote: Postman
    The performance characteristics specified in the technical specifications could be satisfied (in strength) only with titanium alloys.


    And I did not write about it. So the minus is out of place.
    1. postman
      +1
      28 March 2013 19: 40
      Quote: crambol
      I did not write about this.

      this is my scripture.
      Quote: crambol
      So the minus is out of place.

      ?
      what is the minus?
      I did not put and do not put!
      / put + to compensate for someone's stupidity /
      1. 0
        28 March 2013 22: 50
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
        1. postman
          0
          29 March 2013 03: 26
          Well, nonsense. I'm not +/- interested in a dispute, knowledge, proof, news.
          well and so on.
          about titanium by the way thank you. I did not know (did not think). titanium shovels (curse of the 90s) are increasingly in memory


          project 865 "Piranha"
          -diffusion-welded titanium layered structures with special properties
          - titanium fasteners Tu-204
          -roofing materials (copper-titanium)
          what
      2. 0
        28 March 2013 22: 50
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      3. 0
        28 March 2013 22: 51
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      4. 0
        28 March 2013 22: 51
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
      5. 0
        28 March 2013 22: 51
        Probably someone was joking. I put you a plus, I'm sorry!
  38. Ruslan_F38
    0
    28 March 2013 18: 29
    Account open - cool!
  39. Ruslan_F38
    0
    28 March 2013 18: 29
    Account open - cool!
  40. zemlyak
    0
    28 March 2013 19: 09
    If only the money for modernization is not stolen, otherwise it will turn out like in Vilyuchinsk. On the '' Zvezda '' the other day they showed in the news, the submarine was driven into the floating dock, and the money for repairs was stolen. Shoigu asks the locals, and they make handles, they say, "shrinkage and wear"
  41. 0
    28 March 2013 19: 22
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  42. 0
    28 March 2013 19: 22
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  43. 0
    28 March 2013 19: 22
    Is it really true that under the USSR we will scare amers with the submarine fleet.?! Let them begin to vigil in advance.
  44. zemlyak
    0
    28 March 2013 19: 29
    Quote: Misantrop

    A long time ago
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Disposing of the 1st and 2nd generation submarines, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This, it seems, was "Zvezdochka". Problem!
    For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
    This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
    And there is no need to invent a new terminology, it has been known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is called "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes even with an average repair
    Thank you for reminding the marine writer Leonid Sobolev and his "Overhaul". One of these days it is necessary to re-read. I think that "Overhaul" is needed not only for the fleet, but for the whole country.
  45. zemlyak
    0
    28 March 2013 19: 29
    Quote: Misantrop

    A long time ago
    Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
    Disposing of the 1st and 2nd generation submarines, as far as I know, the compartments were cut out, converted and towed to the place of flooding. This, it seems, was "Zvezdochka". Problem!
    For a very long time no one has been flooding anything. The reactor compartments are cut out, the active zones are unloaded, the compartment is prepared for long-term storage. Then they are stored in a special area for long-term storage. Quite convenient - when the activity of short-lived isotopes goes away, you will not need to dive for scarce metals. This is how it looks on Kola:
    This is where the reactor compartments of all the nuclear submarines cut in the 90s and later are stored.
    And there is no need to invent a new terminology, it has been known in the Navy since the time of Leonid Sobolev. It is called "overhaul". Since the filling of the ship sometimes changes even with an average repair
    Thank you for reminding the marine writer Leonid Sobolev and his "Overhaul". One of these days it is necessary to re-read. I think that "Overhaul" is needed not only for the fleet, but for the whole country.
  46. honest jew
    0
    29 March 2013 14: 23
    I wonder how many again Perdyukovs will be plundered on this modernization?
  47. +2
    29 March 2013 14: 53
    Quote: Honest Jew
    I wonder how many again Perdyukovs will be plundered on this modernization?

    Respected! You, as an honest Jew, should know all the disciples of the tribe of Israel who got involved in this business. I want to inform you: the times are not the same! From somewhere the Ragozins came from, instead of "Perdukov" (your words!), Now S.K. Shoigu is an experienced, stern man, exposed by the President's trust. So ... the titanium boats will be upgraded, your blood (and spirit) brothers will have to endure. or even curl up!
  48. Waterfall
    +2
    29 March 2013 23: 57
    Quote: Author
    allowed Project 705K boats to evade fired enemy torpedoes and attack the enemy from an unexpected direction.

    Not true
    The issue with the defeat of such high-speed targets was closed with the advent of the Mk 48 (55 knots / 35 km) even before the entry of serial boats pr.705K into operation. And given the noisiness of the 705 project and the wretchedness of MGK-1001, there was a problem with detecting the enemy. The boat is simply shot from safe distances.
    Quote: Author
    seven high-speed submarine killers

    And who to kill, really themselves ???
    Quote: Author
    K-278 became completely undetectable for anti-submarine weapons

    At such depths "Fin" rang on the Polatlantics.
    Quote: Author
    already at a depth of 800 meters, still remaining undetectable and invulnerable

    Mark 48 ADCAP and Mark 50 ALWT get it. For available (and still available) weapons, a depth of one kilometer is reachable, albeit sometimes with minor modifications.
    1. MURANO
      -1
      30 March 2013 02: 11
      Quote: Wasserfall
      And given the noisiness of the 705 project and the wretchedness of MGK-1001, there was a problem with detecting the enemy. The boat is simply shot from safe distances.

      +1
  49. newcomer
    0
    30 March 2013 11: 17
    Quote: Firstvanguard
    the essence of the anti-submarine tactics of the AUG of the probable enemy was reduced to a very simple method. They spotted the boat - gave full speed and stupidly came off. At the same time, the main purpose of tactical nuclear submarines at that time was seen in the interception of those same AUGs. Can you guess why such a speed? soldier

    thank you - enlightened. but I’ve thought all my life, I’ve been racking my brains: why does the likely enemy form aircraft carrier strike groups? It turns out to run away in horror from our heroic submarine. and they need carrier-based aviation in order to have time to fly towards the continent before our mighty torpedo hit them in the midship frame ...
    1. 0
      31 March 2013 22: 04
      Our probable friend has formed AUGi and has been using it for many, many years to "project power", which translated into Russian means to scare the natives. wink
  50. 0
    April 22 2019 18: 55
    the deepest, most inconspicuous and fastest submarines are made of titanium. they were made only in the Soviet Union ... modern Russia seems too tough for such boats

"Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned), Kirill Budanov (included to the Rosfinmonitoring list of terrorists and extremists)

“Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev Lev; Ponomarev Ilya; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; Mikhail Kasyanov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"