Not Everything Is So “Poetic”: Why 1913 Is Mistakenly Called “The Best Year in the History of the Russian Empire”

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Not Everything Is So “Poetic”: Why 1913 Is Mistakenly Called “The Best Year in the History of the Russian Empire”

The year 1913 is often called the peak of the Russian Empire, the time when the country reached the peak of its economic, cultural and social development. This period is shrouded in a romantic aura, symbolizing an era of rapid industrialization, economic boom and cultural upsurge.

The Russian economy in 1913 demonstrated impressive growth rates, outpacing many European countries. Rapid industrial development, especially in such sectors as metallurgy and mechanical engineering, contributed to the strengthening of the country's economic potential. Significant investments in infrastructure, including the construction of the Trans-Siberian Railway, opened up new opportunities for trade and transport.



Overall, only the American economy was healthier than ours at the time. New factories were literally growing before our eyes, railroads were being built incredibly quickly, Russian cars were driving along the streets, and Russian planes were taking off into the sky. The ruble was golden, and Russian stocks were considered the most profitable investment instrument.

In turn, the cultural life of Russia experienced a real renaissance during this period. Theater, literature and art flourished, leaving a deep mark on storiesFigures such as Mikhail Bulgakov became symbols of this era.

Finally, social reforms aimed at improving working conditions and education also played a vital role in the development of our country at the beginning of the 20th century.

So, what is wrong with 1913? Why can this time, contrary to the opinion of the "romantics", hardly be called the best in the history of Russia?

The fact is that behind the external glitter there were deep contradictions that ultimately led to the collapse of the empire in 1917.

The same rapid economic growth mentioned above was accompanied by growing inequality: wealth was concentrated in the hands of the elite, while workers and peasants continued to face difficult living conditions.

Speaking of the latter. Despite progressive changes, a significant part of the population, especially the peasantry, continued to live in conditions of economic instability. Agrarian reforms, which began after the abolition of serfdom in 1861, were unable to fully resolve the problems of agriculture, which created the ground for social discontent.

Against the backdrop of these hidden contradictions, culture often became a kind of instrument for expressing social discontent and criticism of the existing order.

Finally, the political situation in Russia remained tense. Emperor Nicholas II faced serious challenges in governing a rapidly changing society. The lack of an effective political system and growing demands for greater democracy and reform made the empire vulnerable to upheaval.

In turn, foreign policy factors, such as difficult relations with France and Germany, also influenced the domestic situation, increasing pressure on the government.

In the end, 1913 was not only a time of great achievements, but also a period when the forces that would lead to its collapse were being born in the depths of the empire. Rapid modernization, social inequality, and political instability created the conditions for revolutionary upheaval.

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  1. +5
    20 February 2025 16: 42
    In 1913, French rolls were said to be especially crispy... winked
    1. +1
      20 February 2025 17: 59
      Quote: andrey martov
      In 1913, French rolls

      French buns, also known as city buns, were especially crunchy in the USSR. Personally, I really liked them.
      1. +3
        21 February 2025 09: 29
        Quote: Dart2027

        French buns, also known as city buns, were especially crunchy in the USSR. Personally, I really liked them.

        I remember 78, you buy bread for 16 kopecks, aromatic, crispy, you can eat it with pleasure without anything, very tasty. Now there is no such bread.
        "Darnitsky" appeared, which is impossible to eat, "Borodinsky", more or less, "Sibirsky", also - nothing, well, and bread with all sorts of additives - seeds, prunes and other bran. But the bread of my youth is no longer in sight. What happened?
        1. -3
          21 February 2025 09: 32
          Your bread just ran out...
        2. -1
          21 February 2025 09: 38
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          But the bread of my youth is no longer in sight. What happened?
          Time goes by, the range changes, some things are better than they were, some are worse.
          1. +3
            21 February 2025 09: 46
            Quote: Dart2027
            Time goes by, the range changes, some things are better than they were, some are worse.

            "The range is changing" in order to reduce the taste of bread? fool
            1. -2
              21 February 2025 09: 48
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              in order to reduce the taste of bread

              Have they decreased? It is not for nothing that they say that the grass was greener before. Youth is youth.
              1. 0
                25 February 2025 10: 45
                Quote: Dart2027
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                in order to reduce the taste of bread

                Have they decreased? It is not for nothing that they say that the grass was greener before. Youth is youth.

                They definitely went down. I remember we rubbed the crust with some honesty and ate it.
                1. -1
                  25 February 2025 11: 03
                  Maybe. Sometimes I remember something like that, but if that (precisely from that time) French/city loaf that I liked then appeared now, what would it seem like now? I don't know.
        3. +1
          21 February 2025 22: 26
          which is impossible

          just don't bake bread from sixth grade grain
          and other grain, as in the Russian Empire, will be exported
          People instead of "hunger" are forced to eat garbage like pigs sad
          1. 0
            26 February 2025 09: 16
            Quote from: nepunamemuk
            just don't bake bread from sixth grade grain

            Most likely you are right. Speaking about tasty bread in the 70s, I remember - we bought grain in Canada-USA-Argentina. But we bought feed grain, few people talk about it. And our own, high-quality, went to the production of bread and bakery products, semolina, etc.
        4. +1
          26 February 2025 00: 55
          In Artem, Primorsky Krai, there are more than a dozen companies that bake bread. However, the most delicious one was baked by a Belarusian company. They had several of their own kiosks. The assortment was varied, and the rye bread was especially excellent in taste. There was always a line waiting near their kiosks for the delivery of fresh bread. People even came from Vladivostok... The company worked for 12 years. Then it gradually began to close its kiosks and five years ago left the city and the region. I asked their employees the reason for curtailing their activities, they answered that the rent was too high and was constantly growing. It was no longer profitable for them to work...
        5. 0
          6 March 2025 10: 36
          The guests have left. Do whatever you want, as you please.
  2. +5
    20 February 2025 16: 46
    In fact, Bulgakov is a more than significant figure in Russian literature. But the fact is that neither the notes of a young doctor or doctor (I don't remember exactly), nor the White Guard, nor the Heart of a Dog, nor the Rocky Eggs, nor MiM were written in 1913. Here, perhaps, the analysis is immediately out of place. The video may be good, but such an announcement immediately changes the veneer of serious analysis to typical journalism. However, this is Minaev - it is interesting to listen to, but definitely not to study.
    1. +3
      20 February 2025 16: 53
      I just wanted to write that Bulgakov played practically no role in art at that time. As far as I remember, he had completed his medical education.
  3. +9
    20 February 2025 16: 47
    Overall, only the American economy was healthier than ours at the time. New factories were literally growing before our eyes, railroads were being built incredibly quickly, Russian cars were driving along the streets, and Russian planes were taking off into the sky. The ruble was golden, and Russian stocks were considered the most profitable investment instrument.
    if we look at the statistics, then not everything is so rosy
    80 percent of the rural population, mechanization is one of the lowest in the world (Africa and the like are not taken into account), crop yields are below any criticism, the gold ruble is not an achievement, but rather a means of robbing the country
    1. -7
      20 February 2025 18: 02
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      if we look at the statistics, then not everything is so rosy

      Because the country didn't have the necessary 20 years. Yes, not everything was good in the Russian Empire, but they tried to solve the problems.
      1. +6
        20 February 2025 18: 26
        Quote: Dart2027
        Because the country didn't have the necessary 20 years

        I beg you, the issue in the Russian Empire was not resolved at all
        1. -6
          20 February 2025 19: 09
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          the issue in the Russian Empire was not resolved at all

          According to the communists
          1. +2
            20 February 2025 21: 34
            Quote: Dart2027
            According to the communists
            according to statistics
            1. -4
              20 February 2025 22: 51
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              according to statistics

              The question is whose.
              1. +4
                20 February 2025 23: 32
                Quote: Dart2027
                The question is whose.
                stat reference books RI
                1. -4
                  21 February 2025 07: 01
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  stat reference books RI

                  Which described the current state of affairs. There was no mention of what the planned reforms would lead to.
                  1. +4
                    21 February 2025 08: 23
                    Once again, how many tractors were there in the Russian Empire in 13?
                    what was the yield?
                    1. -1
                      21 February 2025 09: 42
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Once again, how many tractors were there in the Russian Empire in 13?
                      what was the yield?

                      Even if the Russian Empire itself produced tractors, the peasant would not buy them because of poverty. And the kulak would hardly buy them either. Only a collective farm (kolkhoz) could buy a tractor using a loan issued by the state. This is one of the motivating reasons for collectivization.
                      1. +3
                        21 February 2025 12: 05
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And I doubt he would have bought a fist.

                        and what does the usurer have to do with it?
                        that is, you admit that despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population lived in poverty, they were unable to do their jobs and the quality of work was below any criticism
                        but the main thing is that nothing was done to change the situation
                      2. -2
                        21 February 2025 15: 49
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

                        that is, you admit that despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of the population lived in poverty, they were unable to do their jobs and the quality of work was below any criticism
                        but the main thing is that nothing was done to change the situation

                        I'm not crazy enough to understand what you were trying to convey to me with that set of words. With the lack of punctuation and the weird mix of cases. hi
                      3. 0
                        24 February 2025 00: 11
                        Until 1958, collective farms also did not have tractors; they were serviced by MTS.
                      4. 0
                        24 February 2025 18: 34
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        Until 1958, collective farms also did not have tractors; they were serviced by MTS.

                        1. Tractor unit in the collective farm named after V.M. Molotov, Batovo village. 1937. XM-777/5
                      5. 0
                        24 February 2025 20: 15
                        Tractor unit servicing the Molotov collective farm. The tractors were MTS, tractor drivers and trailer operators were sent by the collective farm to the MTS to work on MTS tractors. Combine operators and thresher operators were on the staff of the MTS. In the early 50s, tractor drivers also became full-time employees of the MTS. My grandfather worked as a foreman at the MTS. There is a lot of material about the MTS on the Internet. If you don't believe me, go to CyberLeninka, type in MTS and you can read a bunch of articles about the relationship between the MTS and collective farms. Or read Stalin's work "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR". There he substantiates in detail the thesis about why collective farms should not own tractors and combines.
                      6. 0
                        24 February 2025 21: 25
                        Quote: Sergej1972
                        The tractors were MTS ones, the tractor drivers and trailer operators were sent by the collective farm to the MTS to work on the MTS tractors.

                        Doesn’t it seem strange to you that, according to your statement, the collective farm didn’t have tractors, but there were tractor drivers?
                        And I know everything about Stalin’s work “Expert Socialist in the USSR” (I read it) and about MTS without your help.
                        If a collective farm could take out a loan, it could also buy a tractor, and that happened. But...
                        I am still a supporter of MTS, which Khrushchev destroyed.
                        It was difficult for the country to saturate all the collective farms with equipment for repair shops, but it was much easier to saturate the MTS, which serviced several nearby collective farms, with such equipment. And one more thing. For poorly performed work, the collective farm could not pay the MTS, or force the MTS to redo the work. That is, the issue of quality was resolved. As for its own tractor driver-combine operator, who allowed a defect, the collective farm could do nothing except reprimand, because tractor drivers "were not lying on the road", that is, they were in short supply.
                      7. 0
                        24 February 2025 22: 39
                        "Doesn't it seem strange to you that, according to your assertion, the collective farm had no tractors, but tractor drivers?" I don't see anything strange. By their status, machine and tractor stations were state enterprises, but initially only the apparatus workers were listed as permanent staff of the MTS. All field work, including on MTS tractors, was performed by collective farmers, who were, in essence, seasonal workers. Since the mid-30s, combine operators and thresher operators have become part of the permanent staff of the MTS. And tractor drivers have been part of the permanent staff since 1953.
                      8. 0
                        24 February 2025 22: 44
                        Stalin: “We are all happy about the colossal growth of agricultural production in our country, the growth of grain production, the production of cotton, flax, beets, etc. Where is the source of this growth? The source of this growth is in modern technology, in the numerous modern machines that serve all these branches of production. The point here is not only in technology in general, but in the fact that technology cannot stand still, it must be constantly improved, that old technology must be taken out of service and replaced with new, and new with the latest. Without this, the progressive progress of our socialist agriculture is unthinkable, neither large harvests nor an abundance of agricultural products are conceivable. But what does it mean to take hundreds of thousands of wheeled tractors out of service and replace them with tracked ones, to replace tens of thousands of obsolete combines with new ones, to create new machines, say, for industrial crops? This means incurring billions in expenses that can only be recouped in 6–8 years. Can our collective farms raise these expenses, even if they are millionaires? "No, they cannot, because they are not in a position to take on billions of dollars in expenses that can only be recouped in 6-8 years. Only the state can take on these expenses, because it and only it is in a position to take on the losses from putting old machines out of service and replacing them with new ones, because it and only it is in a position to endure these losses for 6-8 years in order to recoup the expenses incurred at the end of this period. What does it mean after all this to demand the sale of MTS to the ownership of collective farms? It means driving collective farms into great losses and ruining them, undermining the mechanization of agriculture, and reducing the rate of collective farm production."
                      9. 0
                        24 February 2025 22: 48
                        Stalin: "The Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) did indeed make a decision to sell the MTS to collective farms at the beginning of 1930. This decision was made at the suggestion of a group of shock workers from the collective farms as an experiment, as a test, so that in the near future we could return to this issue and consider it again. However, the very first check showed the inexpediency of this decision, and after a few months, namely at the end of 1930, the decision was cancelled."
                      10. 0
                        24 February 2025 22: 51
                        Stalin: "Hence the conclusion: by proposing to sell the MTS to the collective farms, Comrades Sanina and Venzher are taking a step back in the direction of backwardness and are trying to turn back the wheel of history. Let us assume for a moment that we accepted the proposal of Comrades Sanina and Venzher and began to sell the main instruments of production, machine and tractor stations, to the collective farms. What would come of this? What would come of this would be, firstly, that the collective farms would become the owners of the main instruments of production, i.e., they would find themselves in an exceptional position, which no enterprise in our country has, since, as is well known, even nationalized enterprises are not the owners of the instruments of production. How can this exceptional position of the collective farms be justified, by what considerations of progress, advancement, forward? Can we say that such a situation would contribute to raising collective farm property to the level of public property, that it would accelerate the transition of our society from socialism to communism? Would it not be more correct to say that such a situation could only "to distance collective farm property from public property would not lead to an approach to communism, but on the contrary, to a distance from it? . From this would result, secondly, an expansion of the sphere of action of commodity circulation, since a colossal number of agricultural production tools would fall into the orbit of commodity circulation. What do Comrades Sanina and Venzher think, can the expansion of the sphere of commodity circulation facilitate our advancement toward communism? Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that it can only slow down our advancement toward communism?"
                        "The main mistake of Comrades Sanina and Voyager is that they do not understand the role and significance of commodity circulation under socialism, they do not understand that commodity circulation is incompatible with the prospect of the transition from socialism to communism. They apparently think that it is possible to transition from socialism to communism even with commodity circulation, that commodity circulation cannot hinder this process. This is a profound delusion, which arose on the basis of a misunderstanding of Marxism."
                        These are all quotes from "Economic Problems of Socialism in the USSR". That is, for Stalin this was a fundamental, ideological issue. Under him, at least since 1930, tractors were not sold to collective farms.
                    2. -2
                      21 February 2025 12: 12
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      again

                      Again
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?
                      1. +2
                        21 February 2025 13: 49
                        you will be surprised, but computerization in the industry of the USSR was high, another issue is that personal computers were not developed
                        In the Russian Empire, mechanization was practically absent, the culture of technology and production was rudimentary, and general education was not subject to any criticism.
                        and you compare all this with the USSR?!!
                      2. -5
                        21 February 2025 15: 24
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        You will be surprised, but computerization in the USSR industry was high, another question
                        that when Soviet engineers and scientists got access to technology from there, they jumped up and down with joy.
                        Or you can compare the USSR auto industry with the auto industry of Germany, Japan and the USA. Don't you want to?
                      3. +3
                        21 February 2025 15: 51
                        let's compare
                        but the USSR, unlike the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation, could survive on its own, but neither we nor the Empire could do this
                      4. -3
                        21 February 2025 18: 18
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        but the USSR, unlike the Russian Empire and the Russian Federation, could live on its own

                        The Russian Federation and the Republic of Ingushetia can also live on their own. The question is how exactly.
                        Let's compare the amount of meat in the USA and the USSR?
                      5. +2
                        22 February 2025 12: 32
                        Overall, only the American economy was healthier than ours at the time. New factories were literally growing before our eyes, railroads were being built incredibly quickly, Russian cars were driving along the streets, and Russian planes were taking off into the sky.

                        Only someone who is completely unfamiliar with the Russian Empire industry of that time could write such nonsense. With the highest level of science, there is a virtually complete lack of development of production. The apotheosis of the idea "we will buy everything abroad". Even with a small number of operating enterprises built by enthusiasts and maintained at a modern level - a complete reluctance to develop production in Russia and the purchase of foreign-made analogues for hundreds of millions of gold rubles.
                        Domestic cars on the streets? Russo-Balt - 600 cars of different models, including trucks, were manufactured.
                        Domestic aircraft? Data from WWI, built: Russia - 3500 units; Austria-Hungary - 5100; Italy - 12; England - 000; Germany - 47; France - 800. In "Russian" aircraft - not a single domestic engine, including the famous Ilya Muromets, and the aircraft of that time - an engine on a wooden frame with canvas!
                        And so in everything.
                      6. -1
                        22 February 2025 18: 16
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        There is not a single domestic engine in "Russian" planes

                        Really?
                        https://dzen.ru/a/ZSob3SSmMA-JMX4j
                      7. +1
                        22 February 2025 18: 28
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Really?

                        Really. Did you read your own link?
                        Production began in June 1916, but by June 1917 only 16 units had been delivered, which were then transferred to the airship squadron for testing for installation on Ilya Muromets bombers. They performed poorly, and the quality of production was considered low.

                        By the way, during the tests they used only two experimental RBVZ-2 engines, the second pair were proven foreign ones.
                      8. -2
                        22 February 2025 19: 14
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        Really. Did you read your own link?

                        Don't you remember what you wrote?
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        almost complete lack of production development

                        Yes, they started with simple copying and the first pancake was a flop. But they weren't going to stop there.
                      9. +2
                        22 February 2025 19: 47
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        Yes, we started with simple copying and the first pancake was a flop.

                        The whole point is that in those times of rapid technological progress, we had no need to copy, the leading countries of the world had not yet managed to go far in terms of technology.
                        At the highest level of science

                        but
                        Even with a small number of operating enterprises built by enthusiasts and maintained at a modern level, there is a complete reluctance to develop production in Russia and the purchase of foreign-made analogues for hundreds of millions of gold rubles.

                        We had our own production, but they categorically refused to expand it in the Russian Empire. The elite of the Russian Empire had a popular theory that all sorts of revolutions are due to the excessive education of common people. And this theory was perceived as a guide to action (or inaction, depending on how you look at it) by the leadership of the empire in the late 19th - early 20th centuries. And with an uneducated population, it is impossible to develop mass modern production. The country had technologies, but they preferred to spend hundreds of millions from grain sales (this with constant hunger in the villages) abroad to purchase high-tech goods, than to build or expand production at home for the same money. The English, Germans and French built production at home with our money in order to sell these products to us.
                      10. -1
                        22 February 2025 19: 52
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        that in those times of the beginning of rapid technological progress we had no need to copy, the leading countries of the world had not yet managed to go far in terms of technology

                        At that time, these were high technologies. With the development of scientific and technological progress, what was once the pinnacle of thought becomes hopelessly outdated, but one must judge by a specific period.
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        We had our own production, but the Russian Empire categorically refused to expand it.

                        There is no need for this propaganda. By that time, everyone understood the need for industrialization, another thing is that what was needed right now had to be purchased, simply because the creation of production took time.
                      11. +1
                        22 February 2025 20: 08
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        At that time, this was high technology.

                        The Russian Empire had all these technologies of those times. Name at least one technology of that time that the Russian Empire did not have. But production was either completely absent, or there were 1-2 enterprises that could cover only some, often a very small part of the country's needs.
                        A striking example is the Russian Imperial Navy. Our shipyards produced modern combat armored ships. But not enough. We were forced to buy a huge number abroad. For gold. Even the legendary cruiser Varyag was built in the United States. No one had done such nonsense since Peter the Great, and he bought when there were no shipyards. Did we start building new ones or expanding existing ones? No! The particularly smart ones justify this by saying that it is normal since our own shipyards are busy. And foreigners managed to build their own rather large fleets, and for all sorts of Russias and Brazils. Not enough money? - So foreigners built for us for free? The prices were comparable. And this is in a strategically important industry recognized as such by the state. What was happening in less important or unrecognized industries is clear. Curtain.
                      12. -2
                        22 February 2025 21: 07
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        The Russian Empire had all these technologies of those times.

                        The technology of producing a specific technical product is not the same as some abstract technologies.
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        Our shipyards produced modern combat armored ships. But not many.

                        Well, "few" is too strong a word, most of the battleships and cruisers were domestic, but no one is saying that everything was great. It was at that time that industrialization began and if it had gone as planned, the situation would have been different.
                      13. -1
                        25 February 2025 11: 05
                        Quote: Chief Officer Lom
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        At that time, this was high technology.

                        The Russian Empire had all these technologies of those times. Name at least one technology of that time that the Russian Empire did not have. But production was either completely absent, or there were 1-2 enterprises that could cover only some, often a very small part of the country's needs.
                        A striking example is the Russian Imperial Navy. Our shipyards produced modern combat armored ships. But not enough. We were forced to buy a huge number abroad. For gold. Even the legendary cruiser Varyag was built in the United States. No one had done such nonsense since Peter the Great, and he bought when there were no shipyards. Did we start building new ones or expanding existing ones? No! The particularly smart ones justify this by saying that it is normal since our own shipyards are busy. And foreigners managed to build their own rather large fleets, and for all sorts of Russias and Brazils. Not enough money? - So foreigners built for us for free? The prices were comparable. And this is in a strategically important industry recognized as such by the state. What was happening in less important or unrecognized industries is clear. Curtain.

                        Building battleships is not a priority. The priority is the land army, both in WWI, WWII and now. Did the navy help Germany in both wars? Yes, a navy was necessary in the Pacific, given the distances and colonies, but Russia had no colonies. War with Japan? Build a railway in a timely manner and keep a contingent in the Far East. For some reason, the Reds calmly squeezed the Whites out of the Far East without any navy, and they also defeated the Kwantung army from land.
                      14. 0
                        8 March 2025 22: 08
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?


                        First you need to understand that the fact itself, without an explanation of its reasons, does not mean anything....

                        If in 1954 the level was comparable to the US level, and Japan built its first computer in 1955, then things were going well before Khrushchev. But why did everything change by 1990?

                        The thing is that not everything that existed during the USSR was Soviet. Otherwise, the USSR would still exist today.
                        For example, the 6th five-year plan, according to which the country's GDP grew by one and a half times in the first 4 years, was stopped....

                        It is necessary to convincingly explain the real reasons for the "Khrushchev thaw" because reforms always and everywhere begin in times of crisis, not in times of growth. But for some reason they don't write about this here.
                      15. 0
                        8 March 2025 22: 26
                        Quote: sidorov
                        The thing is that not everything that existed during the USSR was Soviet. Otherwise, the USSR would still exist today.
                        For example, the 6th five-year plan, according to which the country's GDP grew by one and a half times in the first 4 years, was stopped....

                        Whose problem is this? Japan's? The US's?
      2. +5
        20 February 2025 18: 37
        It's hard to imagine more nonsense about "give us 20 years and then you won't know anything"... And who was supposed to provide these 20 years? And what would have changed? Would the peasants have more land in their hands, since the landowners would have given it to them?..... And let's imagine a situation where you are a store owner, and you are being pressured from all sides by competitors, but at the same time you do not deny yourself a good life, but you save on your employees, forcing them to work more, pay less, do not give vacations, etc. And when they start to complain, you stand up to them and say something like: "If our store were given 20 years of a quiet life (competitors wouldn't put pressure on you, taxes wouldn't be paid, and you wouldn't muddy the waters, but would work 12 hours a day with full dedication), then you wouldn't recognize our store!!! Then I would give you your previous salary back, I would stop withholding it. Those would be the times!!! But they don't give us 20 years, so either you work for food, or we close.
        1. -10
          20 February 2025 19: 11
          Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
          And what would change?

          Gradual modernization of the country.
          Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
          And who was supposed to provide these 20 years?

          Your beloved USSR didn't even have enough for 70.
          1. +4
            20 February 2025 21: 35
            Quote: Dart2027
            Gradual modernization of the country.

            Seriously, can you tell me how many tractors there were in the Russian Empire in 13?
            1. -5
              20 February 2025 22: 57
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              How many tractors were there in the Russian Empire in 13?

              What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?
              Similar examples can be found anywhere and in any quantity.
              Quote: Dart2027
              Your beloved USSR didn't even have enough for 70.

              Will you argue with this?
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              The USSR was the leader in some respects

              He was. But he had no fewer problems.
              1. +8
                20 February 2025 23: 36
                Quote: Dart2027
                What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?
                Similar examples can be found anywhere and in any quantity.

                the comparison is stupid, firstly in 90 it was still not critical, secondly, how many tractors were there?
                Quote: Dart2027
                Will you argue with this?

                I will, the share of the USSR in world industrial production was 20%
                the share of RI in 13 is 5-6%
                and this despite the fact that the USSR went through two wars, one of which destroyed everything up to the Volga
                1. -4
                  21 February 2025 07: 08
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Firstly, in 90 it was still not critical.

                  Because Soviet science and industry did nothing adequate?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  secondly, how many tractaries were there?

                  I don't know. How many would there be after all the reforms were carried out?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and this despite the fact that the USSR went through two wars

                  And what is the second one? Civilian?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  one of which destroyed everything up to the Volga

                  So the sausage trains and general shortages in the 80s were due to the war with the Germans in the 40s?
                  1. +3
                    21 February 2025 08: 22
                    it's clear, that is, apart from demagogy there will be nothing
                    1. -3
                      21 February 2025 09: 46
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      that is, there will be nothing but demagogy
                      Self-critical.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Soviet science and industry did nothing adequate
                      и
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      sausage trains and general shortages in the 80s were due to the war with the Germans in the 40s
                      we can continue. If you want, you can find no less about the USSR than about the Russian Empire.
              2. 0
                23 February 2025 08: 51
                What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?

                Computers are not basic things, the merit of Sobza is that he raised the basic level and fed the people. Another thing is that subsequent generations stopped perceiving the availability of food and apartments with amenities as benefits, they wanted more.
                Electronics also existed in the USSR, but of course the USA, having developed capitalism for several centuries, outpaced the Union in electronics.
                RI should be compared with the union; in this comparison it looks pale.
                1. -1
                  23 February 2025 09: 02
                  Quote: nickname7
                  Computers are not basic things

                  In short, the basis of all industry in the 21st century.
                  Quote: nickname7
                  RI should be compared with the union in this comparison
                  This is a primitive lie, since different historical periods are being compared, with different levels of development of science and technology in general.
                  1. -1
                    23 February 2025 09: 23
                    In short, the basis of all industry in the 21st century.

                    A personal computer is needed by gamers and bloggers, it is not the basis of industry, the basis is microcontrollers, which are not something out of the ordinary, microcontrollers were manufactured during the Soviet Union.
                    This is a primitive lie, since different historical periods are being compared, with different levels of development of science and technology in general.

                    It's not a lie at all, but the truth hurts, it will debunk your lies, that's why you don't like it. Historical periods are different because they went down different paths.
                    The Russian Empire could not develop because of the feudal system. The USSR built industry, that's why it developed, any word of that era was progress. The USSR - progressors. Therefore, the Russian Empire and the Union should be compared, in essence, it is one country, but it went a different way, and this path of industrialization and rejection of feudalism led Russia to the peak of its power.
                    If it weren't for the union, you would be flogged in the stables for not paying the landowner taxes.
                    1. -2
                      23 February 2025 11: 24
                      Quote: nickname7
                      A personal computer is needed by gamers and bloggers, it is not the basis of industry

                      Tell this to the engineers in the design bureaus and the scientists who perform their professional duties there.
                      Quote: nickname7
                      USSR - progressives.


                      Quote: Dart2027
                      collapsed with such disgrace as world history had never seen.
            2. +2
              21 February 2025 08: 23
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Seriously, can you tell me how many tractors there were in the Russian Empire in 13?

              All in general or only with internal combustion engines?
              Steam ones, if I remember correctly, were about 17-20 thousand. With internal combustion engines (gasoline, kerosene, oil, etc.), about two hundred. By 1917, another one and a half thousand were purchased and delivered, but mainly as tractors for the army.
              You just have to understand that there were no normal tractors at that time, so plowing with horses or bulls was simply cheaper. By the way, not only in our country.
              1. +2
                21 February 2025 08: 29
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                in connection with which it is stupidly cheaper to plow with horses or bulls. By the way, not only here.

                Seriously???
                and why didn't other countries think so?
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                If my memory serves me right, there are about 17-20 thousand steam engines.

                by the year 13 in Sx about a hundred steam as you put it 300
                How many of them were there in European countries, look for yourself
                1. -1
                  21 February 2025 14: 53
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Seriously???

                  Absolutely.
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  and why didn't other countries think so?

                  Which ones?
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  By the year 13, there were about a hundred steam engines in Skh.

                  Once again, there were no less than seventeen thousand locomotives.
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  how many were there in European countries

                  Like it or not, mass production began after WWI. Fordson in 1918. Hanomag was a real commercial tractor, not a motor plow, in 1924.
                  1. +1
                    21 February 2025 15: 20
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    Once again, there were no less than seventeen thousand locomotives.

                    reference to the studio
                    and I really advise you to study the state of the SC in RI
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2025 15: 27
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      reference to the studio

                      Please
                      https://histrf.ru/read/articles/ot-lokomobilia-k-traktoru-i-tanku
                      The widespread use of wheeled tractors in agriculture began less than 100 years ago, when internal combustion engines were installed on them instead of steam engines.

                      Caterpillar steam tractors, seemingly originally intended for off-road use, were not suitable for plowing the land. The engine power was too low and the weight was too great to pull a ten-ton colossus out of the wet soil, even without a plough. But they managed to adapt locomobiles to agricultural needs: the machine moved along the edge of a field or the side of the road, and the plough moved across the field using a system of cables.

                      Since the 10s, they were widely used in the Russian Empire. For example, in the village of Timashevo in the Samara province, there were 1875 Fowler steam tractors. They worked in beet fields and at the local sugar factory. They used straw as fuel! Domestic machine builders managed to quickly set up their own production of such machines. The first Russian steam locomotive was produced in 1875 at the Lyudinovo Steam Locomotive Plant of the Maltsev Plants Joint-Stock Company. Others followed suit. This is not surprising: the demand for equipment grew every year. In 1,3, 1901 thousand steam locomotive engines were used in agriculture in the Russian Empire, in 12 - 1904 thousand, and in 17 - 287 units.
                    2. +1
                      21 February 2025 15: 34
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      reference to the studio

                      Have you been banned in Google?
                      In 1875, 1,3 thousand locomotives were used in agriculture in the Russian Empire, in 1901 - 12 thousand, and in 1904 - 17 units.

                      https://histrf.ru/read/articles/ot-lokomobilia-k-traktoru-i-tanku
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      and I really advise you to study the state of the SC in RI

                      No need to distort))) I didn’t say anything about the development of the SC.
                      The question was
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Seriously, can you tell me how many tractors there were in the Russian Empire in 13?

                      I replied.
                      I could be wrong, of course, but you obviously thought that there were none, and considered this to be some kind of marker of development. More precisely, of remaining.
                      If so, then this is not true. There were much more fundamental problems than the presence/absence of tractors.
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Firstly, in 90 it was still not critical.

                      Believe me, computers in the 90s are a much more critical technology than tractors in the 1910s, but the USSR did not perish due to the lack of production of modern computers.
                      1. -1
                        21 February 2025 18: 20
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        But the USSR did not perish due to the lack of production of modern computers.

                        He died because communism is a utopia. The other problems could be solved, but without solving this problem, everything else was meaningless.
          2. +4
            20 February 2025 21: 36
            Quote: Dart2027
            Your beloved USSR didn't even have enough for 70.

            I'll repeat my question, are you serious?!
            The Russian Empire was lagging behind in almost all respects, while the USSR was the leader in some respects
          3. +1
            23 February 2025 08: 46
            Gradual modernization of the country.

            Modernization of the country was impossible, because the elite believed that they had achieved everything, they lived luxuriously in palaces, dressed in tailors, had a personal chef prepare restaurant food, while working among the nobles was considered shameful. Why did the nobles need modernization if they lived for themselves in the golden age, what are you talking about?
            If you had suggested to any landowner, not even a count, to go and work at a factory, you would have been challenged to a duel for insulting him. What kind of development can there be with contempt for labor among the country's elite? The capitalists had a different morality: to be modest and work hard.
            In Europe, feudal lords were always overthrown or removed from power, and only then did modernization begin.
            The "development" of the Russian Empire followed the Indian model - magarajjis in gold in marble palaces and people in rotten huts eating quinoa.
            Modernization was timidly attempted through constituent assemblies, but the tsar dispersed several of these constituent assemblies; the system was a priori unmodernized.
            Your beloved USSR didn't even have 70 years left

            The USSR achieved what the Russian Empire never dreamed of - universal free education and medicine, the elimination of famines (under the Russian Empire there were periodic extinctions of provinces from hunger), the USSR for the first time in history fed the population. A ban on child labor, the elimination of class discrimination, the elimination of physical punishments (flogging and lashes), an 8-hour work day, 8 hours of leisure and 8 hours of sleep (in the Russian Empire they worked 14-16 hours, slept and worked, there was no personal time), vacation and maternity leave, labor protection, the transition from a horse to a tractor and an oil economy, industrialization, social elevators and the mass resettlement of people from huts to apartments with cold and hot water, in essence, this is the provision of a landowner's standard of living to the people. The achievements of the USSR are colossal and the Russian Empire never dreamed of.
            1. -2
              23 February 2025 09: 00
              Quote: nickname7
              Why do nobles need modernization if they lived for themselves in a golden age? What are you talking about?
              About real life, not Soviet propaganda?
              Quote: nickname7
              The USSR has achieved what the Russian Empire never dreamed of.
              collapsed with such disgrace as world history had never seen.

              Quote: Dart2027
              What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?


              Quote: Dart2027
              Or you can compare the USSR auto industry with the auto industry of Germany, Japan and the USA. Don't you want to?


              Quote: Dart2027
              Let's compare the amount of meat in the USA and the USSR?


              Quote: Dart2027
              So the sausage trains and general shortages in the 80s were due to the war with the Germans in the 40s?
              1. 0
                23 February 2025 09: 40
                About real life, not Soviet propaganda?

                What kind of propaganda is this? It is enough to visit the Winter Palace to see the gap in the standard of living of the people and the elite. There are authors from the Russian Empire, for example, "Notes of Doctor Veresaev" document the details of the workers' lives. The workers at that time lived in houses crowded together like migrant workers, slept on bunks along the walls, the latrine was a hole in the floor, there was unsanitary conditions, stench and stuffiness, they worked 14 hours for a pittance, the factories were harmful industries without ventilation, the workers breathed dust and chemicals, which led to disability, being a doctor, Veresaev was worried that he could not help. Child labor was also practiced at that time.
                The 8-hour work day was invented in the West, but was implemented under Soviet rule.
                collapsed with such disgrace as world history had never seen

                The Union reached the limit of development, fed the people, created a standard of living for the landowner, but this was not enough. The elite destroyed it in order to grab property and get rich. Nevertheless, the benefits created during the Union still support the country.
                What was the level of computer development in the USSR compared to the USA in 1990?

                At the time of the 90s, electronics were strong. In comparison with the Russian Empire and the rapid development of the West, the Russian Empire was just Nigeria, and the Union, although it stood up, was not solo.
                1. -2
                  23 February 2025 11: 26
                  Quote: nickname7
                  What kind of propaganda is this? It is enough to visit the Winter Palace to see the gap in the standard of living of the people and the elite.

                  Well, what does this have to do with industrialization? And don't you want to recall the difference in life between Soviet citizens and the party elite?
                  Quote: nickname7
                  The Union reached the limit of development, fed the people, created a standard of living for the landowner, but this was not enough. The elite destroyed it in order to grab property and get rich.

                  Elite from Mars or from the Moon?
                  Quote: nickname7
                  and the union, although it defended itself, did not do so alone

                  Quote: Dart2027
                  When Soviet engineers and scientists got access to technology from there, they jumped up and down with joy


                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Or you can compare the USSR auto industry with the auto industry of Germany, Japan and the USA. Don't you want to?


                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Let's compare the amount of meat in the USA and the USSR?


                  Quote: Dart2027
                  So the sausage trains and general shortages in the 80s were due to the war with the Germans in the 40s?

                  There will be no answer to this?
            2. +1
              25 February 2025 11: 13
              Quote: nickname7
              Gradual modernization of the country.

              Modernization of the country was impossible, because the elite believed that they had achieved everything, they lived luxuriously in palaces, dressed in tailors, had a personal chef prepare restaurant food, while working among the nobles was considered shameful. Why did the nobles need modernization if they lived for themselves in the golden age, what are you talking about?
              If you had suggested to any landowner, not even a count, to go and work at a factory, you would have been challenged to a duel for insulting him. What kind of development can there be with contempt for labor among the country's elite? The capitalists had a different morality: to be modest and work hard.
              In Europe, feudal lords were always overthrown or removed from power, and only then did modernization begin.
              The "development" of the Russian Empire followed the Indian model - magarajjis in gold in marble palaces and people in rotten huts eating quinoa.
              Modernization was timidly attempted through constituent assemblies, but the tsar dispersed several of these constituent assemblies; the system was a priori unmodernized.
              Your beloved USSR didn't even have 70 years left

              The USSR achieved what the Russian Empire never dreamed of - universal free education and medicine, the elimination of famines (under the Russian Empire there were periodic extinctions of provinces from hunger), the USSR for the first time in history fed the population. A ban on child labor, the elimination of class discrimination, the elimination of physical punishments (flogging and lashes), an 8-hour work day, 8 hours of leisure and 8 hours of sleep (in the Russian Empire they worked 14-16 hours, slept and worked, there was no personal time), vacation and maternity leave, labor protection, the transition from a horse to a tractor and an oil economy, industrialization, social elevators and the mass resettlement of people from huts to apartments with cold and hot water, in essence, this is the provision of a landowner's standard of living to the people. The achievements of the USSR are colossal and the Russian Empire never dreamed of.

              Capitalist countries have also gone through this entire process. Just look at how long the working day was in England in 1913 and in the same England in 1925. Well, you can compare the wages of workers in England and the USSR in 1986 yourself.
          4. -2
            4 March 2025 08: 40
            You, sir, are not very smart, as I see it. Maybe the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics did not have enough 70 years, but we are still squandering the groundwork created during this time. And it is not a sin to bow to those who created all this. I am ashamed of you, dear sir.
            1. +1
              4 March 2025 10: 21
              Quote: rammjager
              but we are still eating up the groundwork created during this time

              Really? And was "this groundwork" created out of thin air?
            2. +1
              5 March 2025 11: 09
              Quote: rammjager
              We are still eating up the groundwork that was created during this time.

              What exactly is the backlog? I don't know about all the factories, but personally at the one where I work, almost all the equipment has been replaced in the last 15 years, and under a state program, using subsidies from the budget (the company is a joint-stock company, not state-owned), and what's left produces terribly unprofitable equipment and is supported solely for the sake of the people working and maintaining the image of "well, we are remembered as a factory that produces exactly this."
              Moreover, a lot of equipment was written off that had been received as reparations - that is, German equipment from the 30s was in operation, and some was also imported equipment purchased for foreign currency in the USSR.
              And how much imported and bought in the USSR stood idle and was not put into operation - it's scary to remember. Everything went to scrap metal.
              The USSR achieved great success, that's true, but we shouldn't worship it like an idol.
          5. 0
            8 March 2025 03: 51
            Tsarist Russia didn't have enough time for this (modernization) even for 100 years, but here 20 years would have solved it? ... Take the same issue of land shortage. It matured by the end of the 1860s, in the late 1880s the leadership realized that such a problem existed, by 1896 a commission was assembled on this issue, and after 1906 Stolypin started doing something... Really, would another 20 years have solved something with such a swing?
            P.S.: And what did the USSR lack? From an agrarian country at the time of its creation to 1940 to become the first/second economy in Europe? (and this is less than 20 years from the moment of its creation)
            1. 0
              8 March 2025 07: 13
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              Tsarist Russia didn't have enough time for this even in 100 years (modernization)

              And it was not carried out. Until the beginning of the 20th century, the state, alas, did not seriously engage in this. When they began to work, the results were quite decent, but then the war began.
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              Take the same issue of land shortage.

              It is not so easy to increase the amount of land.
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              P.S.: What did the USSR lack?

              We can talk for a long time about what was missing there, starting from ordinary household items and ending with the same machines. As was correctly noted
              Quote: Trapper7
              The USSR achieved great success, that's true, but we shouldn't worship it like an idol.
    2. +3
      21 February 2025 08: 55
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      if we look at the statistics, then not everything is so rosy

      And if we remove all these growth percentages and other relative values, and show in real figures how much of what was produced in pieces, kg, etc., then the picture will be even more depressing. And in general, as soon as percentages, times are mentioned in reports, accounts, etc., then they want to, to put it mildly, mislead us. I was especially pleased with the Russian planes, I would like to know whose engines were on them (it seems that the only domestic parts there were the frame wood and the fabric covering this frame).
      1. +3
        21 February 2025 12: 06
        Quote: qqqq
        I was especially pleased with the Russian planes; I would like to know whose engines were on them (it seems that the only domestic parts were the wood of the frame and the fabric covering this frame).
        what does not it remind?
        1. +3
          21 February 2025 16: 35
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          what does not it remind?

          Unfortunately, we returned to where the Soviet government tried to pull us out of.
  4. +2
    20 February 2025 16: 50
    The best years of the Russian Empire were the years of the Red Empire 1945-1961. The first manned space flight took place on April 12, 1961.
    1. +4
      20 February 2025 17: 01
      There was no Red Empire, and Stalin was not a Red Emperor!
      1. -1
        20 February 2025 18: 28
        Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
        There was no Red Empire, and Stalin was not a Red Emperor!

        Just because you don't call the USSR an empire doesn't mean it stops being one
        1. +1
          21 February 2025 15: 52
          The opposite also applies, because you call the USSR an empire, it does not become one. Let's look it up in the dictionary:
          *empire - a state headed by a monarch
          *empire - a state with extensive colonial possessions and governed from one center

          As far as I know, the USSR had neither monarchs nor colonies, but consisted of socialist republics that voluntarily entered into a single union and had the right to leave it.
        2. -1
          26 February 2025 05: 52
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
          There was no Red Empire, and Stalin was not a Red Emperor!

          Just because you don't call the USSR an empire doesn't mean it stops being one

          Empire from the word emperor. Was Stalin an emperor? Was Khrushchev an emperor? A completely different form of government.
          1. -1
            26 February 2025 08: 30
            everything is exactly the opposite
          2. -1
            26 February 2025 09: 02
            Quote from Kartograph
            Empire comes from the word emperor.

            What nonsense, are you victims of the Unified State Exam, who are not even able to look up the definition on the Internet?!!!
            TSB
            Empire (from Latin imperium - power, state) is the name of monarchical states, the head of which is the Emperor. Empire is most often a vast state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other peoples and states

            BRE
            EMPIRE (from the Latin imperium – power, domination), in a broad sense – a vast, powerful state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other countries and peoples.

            Based on your logic, there were no empires at all before ancient Rome?!
            By the way, is the Golden Horde an empire or not?
            1. 0
              26 February 2025 17: 38
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote from Kartograph
              Empire comes from the word emperor.

              What nonsense, are you victims of the Unified State Exam, who are not even able to look up the definition on the Internet?!!!
              TSB
              Empire (from Latin imperium - power, state) is the name of monarchical states, the head of which is the Emperor. Empire is most often a vast state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other peoples and states

              BRE
              EMPIRE (from the Latin imperium – power, domination), in a broad sense – a vast, powerful state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other countries and peoples.

              Based on your logic, there were no empires at all before ancient Rome?!
              By the way, is the Golden Horde an empire or not?

              Dahl's dictionary defined an empire as “a state whose ruler bears the rank of emperor, an unlimited ruler of the highest rank”[3]; The Great Soviet Encyclopedia, listing as "monarchical states headed by an emperor" Rome after the fall of the republic, the eastern part of the Roman Empire - Byzantium (existed until 1453), the state of Charlemagne (768-814), the German Holy Roman Empire (962-1806), the Russian Empire (1721-1917), France under Napoleon I and Napoleon III (1st and 2nd empires) and the Austrian (1804-1918, since 1868 - Austro-Hungarian) Empire, notes that an empire is also called "the organization of colonial rule of individual bourgeois states" and in this sense one can speak of the French Empire even in relation to the period when the state system of France was republican in nature.
              1. 0
                26 February 2025 17: 42
                Have you ever asked yourself why the Bolsheviks and Stalin in particular never used this word in relation to the USSR? These are distant descendants who introduced this definition after the collapse of the USSR, no other way than out of nostalgia.
                1. 0
                  8 March 2025 03: 56
                  Moreover, the descendants are inclined towards imperialism and flirt with the population of the Soviet past.
              2. -1
                26 February 2025 18: 34
                barvshnya what does that have to do with Dahl's dictionary
                Her state A Macedonian was an empire?
                and the Mayan State, and the Golden Horde
                Please don't write nonsense
                1. -1
                  27 February 2025 06: 14
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  barvshnya what does that dictionary have to do with it

                  If you want to get personal, I have some.
                2. 0
                  27 February 2025 06: 23
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  barvshnya what does that have to do with Dahl's dictionary

                  And what does the Great Soviet Encyclopedia have to do with this, which changed with every change in the party's course? Even your Great Soviet Encyclopedia clearly interprets the monarchical system and the monarch at the head of the state. Macedonia and Britain fall under this interpretation, but not the USSR, which has a completely different system.
                  1. -1
                    27 February 2025 08: 35
                    Quote from Kartograph
                    and Macedonia and Britain

                    how so?!
                    neither the head of Britain nor even more so A Macedonian were never emperors
                    once again for the specialists Empire is not a name but a term
                    1. -1
                      27 February 2025 09: 30
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      Quote from Kartograph
                      and Macedonia and Britain

                      how so?!
                      neither the head of Britain nor even more so A Macedonian were never emperors
                      once again for the specialists Empire is not a name but a term

                      There were monarchies there.
                      1. -1
                        27 February 2025 12: 42
                        and what does monarchy have to do with it, it is a form of government, and YOU wrote
                        Empire comes from the word emperor.

                        By the way, the emperors in Rome, among others, were elected by the Senate
                      2. -1
                        8 March 2025 14: 36
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        and what does monarchy have to do with it, it is a form of government, and YOU wrote
                        Empire comes from the word emperor.

                        By the way, the emperors in Rome, among others, were elected by the Senate

                        After Octavian, almost everyone was APPROVED by the Senate. Does the term soldier emperors mean anything?
                      3. 0
                        8 March 2025 17: 44
                        Quote from Kartograph
                        After Octavian, almost everyone was APPROVED by the Senate.
                        that is, they were chosen
            2. -1
              26 February 2025 17: 45
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote from Kartograph
              Empire comes from the word emperor.

              What nonsense, are you victims of the Unified State Exam, who are not even able to look up the definition on the Internet?!!!
              TSB
              Empire (from Latin imperium - power, state) is the name of monarchical states, the head of which is the Emperor. Empire is most often a vast state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other peoples and states

              BRE
              EMPIRE (from the Latin imperium – power, domination), in a broad sense – a vast, powerful state that has included in its composition (often through conquest) the territories of other countries and peoples.

              Based on your logic, there were no empires at all before ancient Rome?!
              By the way, is the Golden Horde an empire or not?

              Well, I understand that Peter the Great introduced this name while looking at the West.
              1. 0
                26 February 2025 18: 35
                in fact, Russia became an Empire under Ivan the Terrible, and not before Petrushka the First, once again, an Empire is a TYPE of a state, and not a name
    2. 0
      4 March 2025 08: 44
      I would move the bar somewhere to the mid-70s. But yes. I completely agree with you.
  5. +6
    20 February 2025 17: 02
    Emperor Nicholas II faced serious challenges
    The most important thing is that he did not even try to fight these challenges in any way. As a result, he ended up in the basement of the Ipatiev House with his entire family.
  6. +4
    20 February 2025 17: 12
    Only this whole take-off took place at the expense of the now so coveted foreign investments, and naturally - in the interests of investors only. Which, in general, led to the subsequent events.
  7. +6
    20 February 2025 17: 22
    What's the point of money being made of gold if it's all owned by 1% of the rich? Further information from the Efron and Blockhaus encyclopedia (so no Bolshevik propaganda): In 1910, only 12% of all land belonged to peasants, of which almost half belonged to the "kulaks" who made up less than 5% of the entire peasantry. In 1905, 25% of peasants (who made up 87% of the entire population) could not feed themselves due to land shortages and depletion of the land fund and were constantly starving, another 30 million were periodically starving for the same reasons. They did not take any part in the economic life of the country, since they had nothing to sell and nothing to buy anything with. They farmed using two-field systems, i.e. at the level of the 13th century. (Hunger strikes occurred every 2-3 years, and major famines every 8 years. During the entire 18th century, 138 outbreaks of famine were registered, and during the first half of the 19th century, almost as many) They did not have the opportunity to go to the city and become proletarians, since the industry was so developed that it could not accept more than 3 million (and there were about 140 million peasants, mind you) (and let's remember the construction of communism, when more than 32 million rural residents were able to move from villages to cities over the course of several years) As a result, a significant portion of the peasants could not live normally and fell into debt to the same kulaks, and by 1912, more than 90 million peasants were already toiling for the kulaks. The lack of education and medicine contributed to the "prosperity" of the country and rural residents and their health. A 1908 report on the central provinces noted that only 53% of peasants had wooden floors in their houses, the rest had earthen floors, and 43% used black heating. The military commission's report of 1912 noted that almost half of the recruits had traces of flogging on their bodies and almost 40% of them had never eaten meat before the army. You can also find there a report of the medical commission on the living conditions of workers, when 10-12 people lived in one room, when they rented a bunk for two, and some simply slept at their work places, etc.
    Regarding the rise of the economy: in 1914, the Russian Empire was one of the largest debtors in the world, and was sitting on loans from Western banks, mainly French and Belgian. By the end of World War I, the debt to the Western allies amounted to about 46 thousand tons of gold. And even before the war, more than half of the country's economy was bought up by Western investors. For example, the hay market was 100% owned by the British, trams by the Belgians, metallurgy and the banking sector by almost 70% by the French. The Russian Empire's economy was in a leading position, but it lagged catastrophically behind the top four leaders: for example, by 1910, the Russian Empire produced about 100 cars a year (engines were mostly foreign), while France produced 47 thousand, and the USA 480 thousand!!! The proportion for tractors is about the same. Also look at the table of weapons production in WWI, where the Russian Empire has parity only in cartridges and rifles, and in other types it is in places 10 times behind... Well, what do you think, what future will the country have, which will lag behind in industry by several times, and the industry that it has is more than half owned by competitors, which is in debt, whose population is half-starved, uneducated, downtrodden!?
    1. -3
      20 February 2025 18: 09
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      By the end of the First World War, the debt to the Western allies amounted to about 46 thousand tons of gold.

      Can I have a link?
      1. +2
        20 February 2025 21: 52
        By the beginning of 1914, the external debt of the Russian Empire amounted to 4359,8 million rubles, or 49,4% of the total amount of state debt. Of this, 1671,5 million rubles, or 18,9%, were targeted railway loans. 1
        1 gram of gold cost 1 rubles
        You can calculate the rest yourself
        1. -4
          20 February 2025 23: 05
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          By the beginning of 1914
          The exchange of rubles for gold ceased. However, this was standard practice at that time, because with the gold standard no one would be able to fight.
          1. +4
            20 February 2025 23: 31
            and what does it have to do with it stopped or not, you asked for data on the debt in gold, I gave it to you
            1. -6
              21 February 2025 06: 59
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              and what does it have to do with it stopping or not?

              Given that there was war inflation at the time, it was quite difficult to tie the ruble to gold, even though it was “golden”.
              1. +3
                21 February 2025 08: 25
                are you out of your mind
                what war inflation?
                could you at least clarify when the war started?
                1. -4
                  21 February 2025 12: 20
                  Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                  could you at least clarify when the war started?

                  In 1914 year.
                  1. 0
                    21 February 2025 13: 46
                    I see, I am touched by people like you, we don't know the topic at all, but we are being smart as hell
                    1. -5
                      21 February 2025 15: 22
                      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                      We don't know the topic at all, but we're being smart as hell

                      And in which one?
                      1. -1
                        21 February 2025 15: 46
                        Sorry, wasting time on flooding is not interesting, please read the correspondence
                      2. -5
                        21 February 2025 18: 16
                        Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
                        purity

                        And in Russian?
    2. +4
      20 February 2025 19: 54
      Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
      In 1910, only 12% of all land belonged to peasants,

      It seems to me that this is a mistake. Can't you give me the exact quote? Because understanding the BI statistics is quite a quest.
      As far as I remember, before WWI in European Russia (but without Poland, the Baltics, etc.) about 22% of all arable land belonged to peasants in personal ownership and almost the same amount to rural communities, i.e., communities. True, it should be understood that there were quite a lot of peasants and the allotments were on average relatively small.
      Otherwise, I more or less agree.
      1. -2
        20 February 2025 23: 06
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        I think this is a mistake.

        Most likely we are talking about the whole earth. Including taiga, mountains, etc.
        1. +2
          21 February 2025 08: 13
          Quote: Dart2027
          Most likely we are talking about the whole earth. Including taiga, mountains, etc.

          And the tundra?)))
          In general, the land issue in Russia at that time was extremely politicized and I would even say mythologized beyond all measure. That is, on the one hand, the peasants had very, very little land.
          On the other hand, let's imagine for a moment that all the arable land in Russia was given away to the peasants, completely destroying landlord landownership. For agriculture, this would be... a catastrophe!
          I repeat, there are significantly more peasants than landowners, and if all the land goes to them, the size of the allotments will not grow that much. The first generation may breathe a little easier, but a new one will grow up and everything will go on as before, only without more or less developed landowner farms with agronomists, albeit rudimentary but still mechanization and other signs of progress. Actually, collectivization was carried out because otherwise the peasants would have been conducting a natural economy. (Another thing is that they did it as clumsily as possible, but that's it...)
          So, giving all the land to the peasants would have been stupidity, bordering on crime. Especially considering that the lands of Siberia, the North Caucasus and Central Asia had not yet been properly developed.
          1. -1
            21 February 2025 09: 34
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            And the tundra?)))
            Including.
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            On the other hand, let's imagine for a moment that all the arable land in Russia was given away to the peasants, completely destroying landlord landownership. For agriculture, this would be... a catastrophe!

            Yes, I know that very well. It's just that for some people everything that happened back then was bad.
          2. +1
            21 February 2025 10: 55
            Well, that's the thing, about 70% of all arable land belonged to large owners (like our modern MIRATORG and ex-governor Tkachev). And yes, Stolypin wanted to do exactly that, resettling some peasants to Siberia, but even without taking into account the fact that of those who left, almost a quarter or a third returned, this measure would not have brought any solution to the problem, since in 10-15 years the same situation would have developed. So it turned out that there are only two types of solution, capitalist (as happened in the USA), when large owners gobbled up the smaller ones, and those left without land go to farm laborers (or to the cemetery, since they did not fit into the market), or as in the USSR - collective farms. There are no other options, since a small farm works exclusively to feed itself and does not have the resources for development - it cannot buy a tractor (and it does not really need it), it cannot carry out modern farming methods on its own plot, only large farms can do this.
            1. +1
              21 February 2025 15: 01
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              Well, that's the point, that about 70% of all arable land

              Do you have problems with math?
              If only in the European part 42-44% belonged in one form or another to peasants, then the large latifunitists could not have had 70. Especially considering that there were quite a lot of small estates.
              Stolypin wanted to do exactly this by resettling some peasants to Siberia

              not only Stoilpin. The government of the Republic of Ingushetia was actively engaged in resettlement policy from the very liberation. And in Siberia 100% of arable land belonged to peasants.
              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              or as in the USSR - collective farms.

              I don't argue with that at all, but... don't you really want collectivization to begin under the Tsar?))))

              Quote: Mikhail Krivopalov
              like our modern MIRATORG and ex-governor Tkachev

              As a resident of Kuban, I understand you perfectly...
            2. +2
              24 February 2025 20: 27
              Your figures are incorrect. 70 percent of the land did not belong to large owners. Even Soviet historians-agrarians, for example Anfimov and Kovalchenko, wrote about the constant decrease in the share of large landownership in the last decades of the existence of the Russian Empire. In the 45 years after the abolition of serfdom, the share of noble landownership decreased almost twofold. Double-check the figures.
        2. -1
          24 February 2025 20: 20
          That's not the point. The land that was not privately owned by peasants, but owned by communities, was not taken into account.
          1. -1
            24 February 2025 20: 38
            Quote: Sergej1972
            Land that was not privately owned by peasants, but was owned by communities, was not taken into account.

            Maybe I didn't delve into such details. I just remembered a long-ago analysis of what the royal family owned and I remembered this particular moment - yes, it seemed like there was a lot of land, but in fact it was just taiga.
        3. 0
          8 March 2025 04: 08
          Agricultural land. Data from their book statistical collection "Russia, country of estates classes" (still from the tsarist times) there is a table of land distribution) for 1877: 78% for nobles, 10.8% for merchants and honorary citizens, 2% for townspeople, 6.2% for peasants ... Well, and those figures that I cited above, these are data for the beginning of the twentieth century, and as you can see, nobles also went bankrupt and lost land by mortgaging it to banks, well, and apparently some of the land was then bought by kulaks, which actually explains the percentage growth of ownership among peasants.
    3. +1
      24 February 2025 00: 23
      You obviously indicated the percentage of land that was privately owned by peasants, but you forgot to indicate the percentage of land that belonged to peasant communities.
  8. 0
    20 February 2025 17: 35
    Some general phrases. No specifics.
  9. +2
    20 February 2025 20: 13
    The author forgot to say that 2/3 of Russian industry, in 1913, did not belong to Russian subjects. They belonged mainly to the French, English and Germans. Remember the shooting at the Lena gold mine? It belonged to the English. Just like the platinum ones. And many other things from these 2/3. Plus a monstrous state debt, the servicing of which took more than 20% of state revenues. And the cherry on the cake - the gold standard of the ruble, as if signing a death sentence for the Russian state. Which is what happened.
    And the morons can continue to cry about the great economic boom in Russia in 1913 and about the crunch of a French roll (facepalm)...
    1. -1
      21 February 2025 07: 59
      Quote: Shelest2000
      Remember the shooting at the Lena gold mine? It belonged to the English.

      Not really))
      66% of the shares of the partnership "Lenzoto" actually belonged to the London-registered company "Lena Goldfields". But 70% of the shares (or 46% of "Lenzoto") of this company in turn belonged to Russian investors. Another 30% of "Lenzoto" itself belonged to the Ginzburgs, who were not quite Russian by blood but were quite Russian citizens by passport. In other words, 3/4 of these mines were still Russian.
      Quote: Shelest2000
      The author forgot to say that 2/3 of Russian industry, in 1913, did not belong to Russian subjects.

      As far as I remember, by the beginning of the First World War, the total amount of foreign capital investment in Russian industry was 1,32 billion rubles, or about 47% of the total share capital. Which, in general, is also a bit too much...
    2. +1
      21 February 2025 11: 00
      Moreover, even if they did not belong to the French and other foreigners, they would not belong to the subjects (or rather the bulk of the people). So, for a worker, by and large, it does not make much difference whether a foreign capitalist or his own "native" one is sitting on his neck.
      1. +4
        21 February 2025 12: 19
        How old are you? Did you even live to see that notorious "socialist property"?
        Anyway, in the fall, if I'm not mistaken, '85, an electrical outlet burned out at my work. I'm going to the warehouse.
        Oops!
        There are no sockets.
        When will they be? Only after the New Year.
        ?
        The funds are gone, so in December the suppliers will go to Moscow to divide the funds. Come at the end of January.
        Spat, went and bought it, and installed it.
        1. +2
          21 February 2025 15: 39
          In my opinion, judging the USSR by the last years of its life is akin to judging what kind of athlete Muhammad Ali was by the last years of his life.
          1. +1
            24 February 2025 00: 25
            The situation described in this way could have happened in the 50s or in the 70s.
        2. +2
          21 February 2025 16: 54
          Come at the end of January.
          Spat, went and bought it, and installed it.

          The same thing is happening now thanks to Federal Law No. 44.
  10. +3
    21 February 2025 09: 38
    Russian cars drove along the streets and Russian planes took off into the sky.

    Money for fish again!
    What kind of cars? Russobalt? Produced in a quantity of, if I'm not mistaken, 170 units? And the planes? Dead-end Ilya Muromets? And all from imported materials, right down to the wood (!)?
    1. +1
      21 February 2025 11: 05
      There is a blogger Remi Meisner, and he has three videos on Telegram and YouTube - "Antistasik", just on the topic of industry in the Russian Empire, how everything there was spiritual and crispy
      1. 0
        21 February 2025 12: 24
        And without BlokhErs and videos. Read Shavrov or Melnikov with Vinogradov? No way? What kind of passion is this to dry out brains at will. Sorry, it's none of my business of course. I'm just curious.
        There used to be such eunuchs who cut their own balls. Now the same kind of unauthorized mass brain castration is happening.
        Sorry again.
        1. +2
          21 February 2025 15: 42
          Sorry, but not everyone always has the opportunity to shovel through hundreds and thousands of pages of books, but there are much more opportunities to watch or listen to at least an hour-long video, and then if the topic is interesting, then no one is stopping you from going and reading books.
        2. 0
          24 February 2025 09: 55
          Why read something that is long out of date? There are much more modern works, with a larger base. The same Mironov, or Davydov, or even Western Paul Gregory.
    2. +1
      22 February 2025 09: 58
      Quote: Grossvater
      If I'm not mistaken, 170 pieces?

      Actually, a little more. According to various estimates, from 600 to 800 chassis of different types.
      There was also the Puzirev plant, but it burned down at the very beginning of 1914 (that is, before the war). The others, like Lesner, moved away from the automobile theme earlier.
      In 1916, they decided to build six different factories at once, but none of them were launched before the revolution. Interestingly, despite the fact that all these factories started working under Soviet power, only two of them were engaged in the automobile industry. AMO (the future ZIL) and "Lebedev", the future YaAZ.
    3. 0
      22 February 2025 13: 06
      Quote: Grossvater
      Dead-end according to the Ilya Muromets scheme? And everything is made of imported materials, right down to the wood (!)?

      Ilya Muromets was an advanced aircraft of its time, which gave impetus to the emergence of real combat aviation instead of postal and reconnaissance. The world's first serial multi-engine bomber (and with the capacity of that time, single-engine bombers were planes for petty hooliganism). But yes - it had German, and after 1914 - French or English engines, due to the complete absence of aircraft engine production in the bakery that we lost.
      1. kaa
        0
        5 March 2025 10: 59
        I once compared the characteristics of the bombers of that time in order to confirm the statement "Ilya Muromets is the most powerful aircraft of the beginning of the century, ahead of European models, which laid the foundation for bomber aviation." Our country is, of course, the birthplace of elephants, but... Six months to a year after the assembly of the first Muromets, the Germans and Austrians had bombers that, with two engines, raised the load one and a half times more. In series for tens and hundreds of pieces. Why didn't the enemies have four-engine ones? The power of two engines was enough for them, and new models were constantly being released. Sikorsky went for complications with 4 engines not because life was good.
        1. 0
          6 March 2025 03: 19
          Quote from kaa
          Six months to a year after the assembly of the first Muromets, the Germans and Austrians had bombers

          which does not change the fact that it served as a model for them to determine the path they needed to take, refuting all the prejudices of that time against the multi-engine design, and certainly did not deserve the title of “dead end”.
          1. kaa
            0
            7 March 2025 05: 09
            Well, dead-end is certainly too much for Muromets.
  11. +1
    22 February 2025 13: 26
    On this subject, a series of documentary films by Prilepin, "Time Forward," was recently released on Zvezda. It clearly explains how such growth in indicators was actually achieved. Industry, for example, showed high growth solely due to the low base effect. And there was no point in the fact that it was growing, because all the cream in the form of profits went abroad, and into the pockets of well-fed officials.
  12. +1
    22 February 2025 14: 48
    the dominance of foreign capital is one of the reasons for the revolution, the Russian Empire would have definitely collapsed in any case. The USSR during Stalin's time is the most effective system in the history of mankind and the constitution of 1936 is more humane than it is now
  13. -3
    22 February 2025 20: 36
    Everything was so good... and beautiful, and then they entered the war with one rifle for three... 10 rounds for the other three...,
    1. +2
      24 February 2025 10: 04
      Did Khrushchev tell you this?
      1. 0
        24 February 2025 23: 04
        there weren't enough rifles, they bought their trophies from Japan, and Arisaki, + Berdan rifles were pulled out of warehouses, there were almost no planes of their own, no tanks at all,
        1. 0
          25 February 2025 08: 04
          So then you should clarify what war you are writing about: the First World War or the Great Patriotic War. Because when I imagined that we didn't have tanks on 22.06, I almost fell off the couch. laughing
          And about WWI, yes, everything is to the point. And there were plenty of idiot generals both at Headquarters and in the command of fronts and armies.
        2. 0
          5 March 2025 11: 30
          Quote: Pavel Patrashov
          there weren't enough rifles, they bought their trophies from Japan, and Arisaki, + Berdan rifles were pulled out from warehouses,

          Just like all of England by the way
  14. 0
    24 February 2025 09: 50
    Yes, the whole contradiction of 1917 is connected with the fact that Nikolai II did not finance the police, security forces and bureaucracy normally. In Europe there was much more of all this per capita. If all this was enough, then all the red terrorists would have been kicked in the ass and sent to prison, and some would have been found abroad and punished.

    That’s all the contradictions, but Russia in 1913 was an ordinary country in the period of great reforms, like England at the beginning of the 19th century, like Prussia somewhere in the 50s, like the States somewhere in the 60s.
    1. -1
      24 February 2025 10: 07
      and so Russia 1913 is an ordinary country during the period of great reforms

      Well, with the only difference that the entire industry belongs to foreign capital (primarily Jewish), and that the country has accumulated loans like a bitch has fleas (in this case, a female dog is meant).
      1. 0
        24 February 2025 10: 30
        This is nonsense, Lev Eventov's fairy tales, his calculations from 1931, where he took only the largest joint-stock companies with capital greater than half a million rubles, took all foreign immigrants who received citizenship. And among this narrow layer he got 47 percent.
        The real statistics can be seen on capital accumulation in the period 1890-1913. It was 12.2% of GDP (a very high figure), the balance of foreign capital was 1.4% of GDP. Well, consider whether this is a lot or a little)))

        It's funny about debts, in 1913 Russia's debt to GDP was 47.3 percent. Germany's was 44.4 percent, France's was 86.5 percent. And Russia's figure was falling) for comparison, at the beginning of the century it was 65%.

        In general, don't read Soviet newspapers) and don't listen to Goblyach. Read scientific papers. I can advise what to read)
        1. 0
          8 March 2025 13: 43
          And what about per capita? Let the economic growth be 300%, but if all the cream goes to 1%, and 99% get a paw... Well, that's not it.
          1. 0
            8 March 2025 18: 53
            There is a collection by Angus Madison, there is data such as in the 1880s (the beginning of industrialization in Russia) GDP per capita was about 1300 dollars per capita (in 2011 prices), in 1913 2200 dollars per capita. It may not seem like much, but this was the end of the 19th - beginning of the 20th century, then long-term growth of 1 percent per year was a good indicator. For comparison, you can take another country that began its industrialization around the 1870s, this is Japan, in the 1880s there was 1700, in 1913 - 2300 dollars.
            Well, yes, Russia had a huge proportion of children in its population structure, due to the huge birth rate, which reduces the GDP per capita relative to developed countries, a larger number of dependents.
            Well, as for who owned the wealth, or more precisely, about stratification, the Gini coefficient was approximately 2 times lower relative to Germany, the USA, England and France.
  15. 0
    25 February 2025 18: 29
    The collapse of the Russian monarchy occurred due to a conflict of elites. Between the nobility and the capitalists. Moreover, it was the nobility that aggravated the conflict. Then the nobility came to power in Russia. Lenin, Dzerzhinsky, Bonch-Bruevich, Kamenev and many others. Well-educated and brilliant organizers. The nobility managed to carry out a revolution in Russia and rolled over the bourgeoisie. There was such a phrase - the upper classes can't, the lower classes don't want to. By 1913-1914 the conflict had escalated to the point of impossibility.
  16. 0
    1 March 2025 15: 20
    Quote: Dart2027
    Time goes by, the range changes, some things are better than they were, some are worse.

    In those days, the production of any food products was regulated by GOSTs, unlike the current dominance of technical specifications. Today, the baker proceeds from the rule - they will buy it anyway. So low-grade flour and all sorts of muddy additives are used. Bake cheaper - sell more expensive.
    By the way, about the jokes about the gray color of the Soviet-era doctor's (cooked) sausage: this is exactly how this product should look. The current soft brown-pinkish color is a consequence of the use of "cosmetic" additives that "improve" the appearance of the product.
    Have you ever eaten boiled beef that was pink? I haven't.
  17. 0
    7 March 2025 21: 18
    Chatter without a single fact. Failure to understand that the entire (2\3) growth is financing from abroad with the aim of enslaving and forcing to get involved in a big war, where defeat and snatching away the country's tasty morsels (and let it also pay back the loans) was assumed = turning into a 3-rate country.